Q1 2025 Clearfield Inc Earnings Call
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I would now like to turn the conference over to Greg Mcniff Investor Relations for Clearfield. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Thank you joining me on today's call are Sherry Baronet, Clearfield, President and CEO and Dan Herzog Clearfield CFO as a reminder, our clearfield published our quarterly shareholder letter, which provides an overview of the company's financial results operational highlights and future outlook you can find both the shareholder letter and earnings release.
Airfields industrial relations website after.
Speaker Change: After brief prepared remarks, we will open the floor for a question and answer session. Please note that during this call management will be making remarks regarding future events and the future financial performance of the company. These remarks constitute forward looking statements for purposes of the Safe Harbor provisions of the private Securities Litigation Reform Act.
Forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward looking statements. It is important to also note that the company undertakes no obligation to update such statements except as required by law. The company cautions you to consider risk factors that could cause actual results to differ.
Speaker Change: For materially from those in the forward looking statements contained in today's press release shareholder letter and on this conference call.
Speaker Change: The risk factors section in Clearfield, most recent Form 10-K filing with the security Exchange Commission and in subsequent filings on Form 10-Q provided a description of these risks with that I would like to turn the call over to Claire fields, President and CEO Cheri Beranek sharing.
Speaker Change: Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Clearfield to results for the first quarter of fiscal 2025.
Speaker Change: I will start by highlighting some key themes and then turn it over to Dan for a summary of our performance and outlook for more detailed information. Please refer to our shareholder letter posted on the IR section of our website.
Speaker Change: We are pleased to share that we reported first quarter fiscal 2025 net sales of $35.5 million in line with our guidance range well the net loss per share of 13 cents was smaller than our guidance range.
Speaker Change: Net sales for peripheral segment increased 6% year over year.
Speaker Change: Our quarterly revenue performance aligns closely with our expectations, reflecting our steady progress towards normalized growth.
Speaker Change: I would like to briefly discuss some high level industry trends, which we address in more detail in our shareholder letter.
Speaker Change: Is there a rural broadband deployment model evolves Clearfield continues to adapt to industry dynamics with new products. Our goal is to establish clear fields as the one stop shop for active cabinet deployment similar to our success with passive cabinet lines.
Speaker Change: To that end our five reflects cabinet line addresses the shift of electronics from the Central office closer to the end user. Additionally.
Speaker Change: Additionally, our recently announced street-smart ready connect terminal addresses key operator needs such as space constraints ease of installation and long term reliability.
Speaker Change: We've also observed that many operators are initiating new multiyear projects. We view this dynamic as a strong positive signal as it demonstrates the level of demand and commitment independent of government funding and reflects the success of our ongoing efforts to strengthen customer relationships.
Speaker Change: And consistently deliver exceptional customer service.
Speaker Change: To ensure we are able to address this trend we continue to work with our customers to establish programs that provide better mutual visibility going forward and ensure we're well positioned to meet our customers' needs.
Speaker Change: Turning to the broadband equity access and deployment or BD program. We continue to expect that it will contribute more meaningfully to revenues starting in fiscal 2026, while we acknowledge near term uncertainties due to the change in the U S administration and associated delays we are.
Speaker Change: We're pleased with the program's initial progress and remain optimistic about its long term potential.
Speaker Change: Specifically the N T. I a has approved the final proposals for Louisiana, Nevada, and Delaware. Moreover, the majority of these awards went to a local fiber providers.
Speaker Change: In the near term, we expect the improved outlook driven by the ongoing reduction in inventory coupled with the shift to the second phase of the enhanced alternative connect American cost model or E. A cam program to serve as a growth catalyst for fiscal 2025.
Speaker Change: I'd also like to address the subject of the possible introduction of tariffs on Mexican grants, our Mexican and U S manufacturing sites, where strategically designed to provide redundancy cost optimization and dual sourcing capabilities. In addition to our product lines are Barbour compliant, which provides the option for.
Speaker Change: We're a build America by American alternative while we cannot eliminate that potential cost increases of this terrorist our long term experience managing past tariffs impacts enables us to respond quickly and to mitigate any potential cost increases wherever possible.
Speaker Change: Additionally, our Asian sourcing program has been in place for over a decade supported by a strong network of proven suppliers, who have consistently partnered with us to optimize our quality anyway, I've been expanding their manufacturing footprints and non Chinese locations. The tariffs imposed on Chinese goods that went into effect on fab.
Speaker Change: For 2025 adds to the existing tariffs that have been placed upon Chinese products entering the U S over the recent years.
Speaker Change: Given the fluid and uncertain nature of the situation our priority remains maintaining the strong partnerships and relationships built with our suppliers and customers and optimizing the supply chain to reduce the impact whenever possible.
Speaker Change: I'd now like to pass the call over to our CFO, Dan Herzog, who will provide an overview of our financial results for the fiscal quarter 2025, as well as to share our outlook.
Dan Herzog: Thank you Sherry and good afternoon, everyone.
Dan Herzog: I will now review, our first quarter results beginning with sales.
Dan Herzog: Consolidated net sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2025 or $35 $5 million.
Dan Herzog: A 4% increase from $34 $2 million in the prior year first quarter and within our guidance range of 33 million to $38 million.
This figure includes $29 $7 million of Clearfield segment net sales.
Dan Herzog: 6% year over year.
$5.8 million of Nestor segment, net sales down 6% year over year.
Dan Herzog: Net sales met our expectations as we generated increased revenue from connected homes.
Dan Herzog: Our continued progress towards becoming a comprehensive portfolio supplier for our customers.
Dan Herzog: We anticipate this trend will continue moving towards that two to one ratio of connected homes passed homes as operators prioritize cash flow generation over deployments, while awaiting government funding.
Dan Herzog: Our strong bottom line performance and continued gross margin improvements were primarily driven by lower excess inventory reserve costs, driven by improved utilization and recoveries of previously reserved inventory.
Dan Herzog: We recently opened a new facility in Estonia, accelerating micro duct production from near zero to a projected $7 million for the current fiscal year.
Dan Herzog: This growth aligns with our strategy to enhance the European operations by focusing on higher margin solutions.
Dan Herzog: We believe that the inventory overhang within our primary market community broadband has predominantly cleared.
Dan Herzog: Based upon these trends we are reiterating our fiscal 2025 outlook of net sales in the range of 170 million to $185 million.
Dan Herzog: We anticipate Clearfield segment annual revenue growth to be in line with or above industry forecast of 12, 5% for fiscal 2025.
Dan Herzog: While Europe continues to face economic challenges and geopolitical tensions we are anticipating improved margins, but flat annual revenue in our investor segment for fiscal year 2025.
Dan Herzog: In line with the strong quoting activity for the build season, we've observed we anticipate second quarter fiscal 2025 net sales in the range of 37 million to $40 million.
Dan Herzog: Due to some unexpected cost savings in the first quarter fiscal 2025, we anticipate second quarter gross margins to be more closely aligned with our original first quarter assumptions.
Dan Herzog: We expect to generate a net loss per share in the range of 16 to 21 cents in the second quarter of fiscal 2025.
Dan Herzog: As Sherry noted we are actively monitoring the evolving tariff situation and diligently developing contingency plans.
However, due to the uncertainty of the tariff situation our full year 2025 in the second fiscal quarter guidance does not yet account for any potential impact they may have on our business operations.
Dan Herzog: And with that we will open the call to your questions.
Dan Herzog: Thank you.
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Speaker Change: And our first question comes from Ryan Koontz with Needham. Please state your question.
Speaker Change: Hi, there this is Matt on for Ryan.
Speaker Change: You saw strengths in large regional this quarter could you. Please expand on how many customers were material in that segment.
Speaker Change: And whether they are buying connected products passing products or a mix of both.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Matt: Yeah, Hi, Matt.
Speaker Change: I you know are large regionals that that's a a multiple number of providers. So it's more than one but it's says about a handful.
Speaker Change: It's I would say, it's more I'd look at that more as kind of a project and lumpy business within it and that you saw that we had large regionals were down last quarter. So they were up this quarter they tend to take them.
Speaker Change: Off of their purchase orders Baker numbers at one period of time, it had consolidated shipping costs and alike.
Speaker Change: So I would look at that less as a trend and more as a continuation of our of our opportunities to work with those providers.
Speaker Change: And the product lines are predominantly still on passing homes. So we still have room to grow there in regard to working with those portfolio customers are those customers to create them in the portfolio of customers. So they take a broader range of our product line.
Speaker Change: Yeah, great. Thanks, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Good stuff go ahead.
Speaker Change: I was just going to say it's probably.
Speaker Change: Oh in the neighborhood of F. Three that are over $1 billion in sales. So it's not and then like I said half a dozen or more till at all so I wouldn't I guess that it's it's it is trend from the fact that it's not a single customer, but I'd be careful to identify it as being too big of a of a <unk> of a jump at this.
Speaker Change: Point.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, that's really helpful.
Speaker Change: And to follow up I understand youre not guiding to the full year, but what kind of visibility do you have going into the rest of the fiscal year as it relates to customer forecasts, new designs orders and lead times going forward.
Speaker Change: Mhm.
Speaker Change: Yeah, well, we're really pleased right now under the level of quoting activity that we saw.
Speaker Change: At the tail end of last year or this quarter, you know November and December and now you know in the January period.
Our level of people getting re engaged quoting for this summer you know acknowledging that they no longer have the inventory that they had last year. So that's just a really exciting period for us.
Speaker Change: I think that's part of the visibility in that we don't because of lead time, which is about on average about four weeks for most products. The M customers aren't in a position of really looking at providing long term purchase agreements or purchase contracts. What we're looking to do is putting together kind of supply agreements.
Speaker Change: Rather than necessarily.
Speaker Change: You know long term purchase orders, but we are seeing some better trends of them talking to us about their needs for the year I'm, a long term orientation of and then getting them.
Speaker Change: Like I talked about some of the projects and there are multiyear projects and so yeah, we're seeing some.
Speaker Change: Because of that visibility into not only this year, but next year as well.
Speaker Change: Which is really.
Speaker Change: We need to give give it a little bit of time to see all of the other external factors how that influences next year, but right now I'm definitely seeing positive indicators.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, Gerry that's it for me, Yeah, well alright bye now.
Speaker Change: Thank you and our next question comes from 10 to seven.
Speaker Change: With Northland capital markets. Please state your question.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: 10, and seven Joe Northland Capital markets. Your line is open you may be muted go ahead yeah.
Speaker Change: Sorry about that.
Speaker Change: Good afternoon, and congrats on some solid solid looking results.
Speaker Change: I think I just answered my own [laughter].
Speaker Change: Can you guys just answered my own question here.
When you talk about growth for the year basically separating out nest or when.
Speaker Change: You were talking about your overall guidance range, and then Clearfield segment growth of 12, and a half am I looking at that the right way.
Speaker Change: Right right, Yeah, I think the yeah, we really have switched to a different businesses and two different markets that we felt it was appropriate at this point to provide some more visibility to our shareholders than what we had been providing previously.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: The U S market is in a better position than the European market and certainly our position in the U S market is far more developed than anything that we have in in in Europe.
Speaker Change: We're very optimistic about our position in community broadband and leveraging our position in community broadband and we.
Speaker Change: We have grown you know with and in advance of the market in the U S and see every reason that we would continue in that fashion.
Speaker Change: From a master standpoint, we're really proud of the work that is being done at two am to reinvent them.
Speaker Change: And maybe that's yet to reinvent nestor into a higher value added solution provider. They have always had a very strong quality program for their cable and is just the lack of demand for cable right now against some of the Asian dumping that's happening in Europe that we've really had them for.
Speaker Change: On new products and new product designs that are higher gross margin.
Speaker Change: I'm really proud of that micro darts World E L F.
Speaker Change: And looking strategically at the right kind of products.
Speaker Change: As an example, micro jacked has a higher margin product because you can't ship micro docked cost effectively it's like shipping air them.
Speaker Change: So you don't have the.
Speaker Change: The price competition from the agents that you do them, if you're providing cable so it's a it's a much better long term solution. So yes, you can look at that forecast is being nester as flat revenues and then looking at the Clearfield segment is growing at market or above market rates.
Speaker Change: Got it.
Speaker Change: Helpful.
Speaker Change:
Speaker Change: Sure.
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Speaker Change: When they come back to the part of the commentary.
Speaker Change: Around many operators.
Speaker Change: Initiating new multiyear projects or I wonder if you can give us some more color. There I don't know if that overstocked would be the regional question that you were just discussing or whether this is a large number of smaller carriers, but can you give us a couple of them.
Speaker Change: An example, or two or just sort of a feel for what youre seeing there and the breadth of doubt.
Speaker Change: Right I mean.
Speaker Change: It's more of a community broadband so not in a large regionals have always had some really nice.
Speaker Change: A multiyear project, we're seeing some of the smaller emerging regionals tuck out working with us on multiyear agreements.
Speaker Change: I mean, I think it's Oh.
Speaker Change: As an example, Tds is in a really good place to.
Speaker Change: To start their bills the smaller their regional but you know not a big one but haven't been involved in the fiber market yet and we are have been actively working with them for a couple of years now on their favorite plans and have been a provider for them for historical Dallas, you know non big fiber to the home you know for you.
Speaker Change: Over a decade, so that's an.
Speaker Change: An exciting win that we're working on them in a community broadband what we're seeing on the multiyear builds are really are some of them are our new municipal Andrew or utility who haven't been involved in previously.
Speaker Change: And then seeing them kind of the emergence of a venture funding and VC capital in some of these spaces, where they're looking to to clearfield because of our cost savings and have a more pragmatic approach more pragmatic look because of the multi your belt.
Speaker Change: There are certainly some in this space, who are who are building to flip their networks.
Speaker Change: And they tend to have a much more cost centered.
Speaker Change: Approach rather than a long term operating approach and so we certainly are facing some of those headwinds, but we know who our core customer group is and and who they will be as they stared emerging into this space and the the fact that there are more providers today than there were a year ago I think is wanted.
Speaker Change: The most exciting parts about community broadband because it's not only growing with the market, but it's the number of new entrants and who need the support of a of a company like Clearfield, who has feet on the street to support them.
Speaker Change: Great and one more for me.
Speaker Change: And that is.
Speaker Change: On the sort of dynamic versus homes passed versus home homes connected that you.
Speaker Change: And called out in the release, our shareholder letter or both.
Speaker Change: I guess I wanted to see.
Speaker Change: Obviously, you've said in the past and generate more revenue from from a home connected.
Speaker Change:
Speaker Change: Where are we in the process of that.
Speaker Change: Homes connected metric building and what sort of implications does that have for the business seemed quite positive for the top line or anything on margins et cetera.
Speaker Change: Right.
Speaker Change: Yeah, we've built clearfield early on with a reputation of being a strong cabinet supplier.
Speaker Change: And that our passive cabinets are you know really are world class and can compete against the biggest companies in the world because I mean, it goes back to the days, where the cabinet language chosen by Google.
Speaker Change: And so you can see our history of.
Speaker Change: Quality Inn in passing homes.
Speaker Change: Historically, we werent cost effective and connecting a home because we had to buy product from Corning or commscope for one of our competitors in order to manufacture drive cables and as their it and then we had to buy connectors from them as well and so we really couldn't compete historically unless it was a special run a special distance.
Speaker Change: Or quick turn now with our own cable manufacturing line and the development of our own connectors as well as some of the emergence now of teach Hap compatible solutions that are available in the marketplace. We can certainly be cost effective and we can do we can continue to be.
Speaker Change: To provide custom links and quick turn and all the things that we did historically as well and so where I have approached kind of a 50 50 split between the revenue associated with homes connected in past.
Speaker Change: Currently that's kind of the threshold that you know we're at today, there's just with the amount of revenue per home available at a 40% take rate we should be closer to a two to one ratio. If we had a broader number of customers who are also using our product lines to connect and so that has been a.
Big.
Speaker Change: Initiative for Us last year, and one that we continue and I think we're going to see an even bigger opportunity there as people worked down their inventory levels and while clearfield revenues are down our inventory levels are down one of our obstacles still remains.
Speaker Change: Competitors' inventory levels.
Speaker Change: That are.
Speaker Change: Either or.
Speaker Change: Some of our existing customers or prospective customers are holding.
Speaker Change: So long term from a margin standpoint, I'm connected home products and in past home products are very similar.
Speaker Change: It doesn't influence.
Speaker Change: Our gross profit that way, but it does influence gross profit because connected home products are have a high labor count.
Speaker Change: So the hire of the Labour count the more utilization of our U S and Mexican factories and the better our overhead is absorbed so we look to that to be one of the good ways for us to be able to utilize the capacity and resources that we've built over the years.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks very much.
Speaker Change: You're welcome.
Speaker Change: Thank you and our next question comes from Scott Searle with Roth Capital Partners. Please state your question.
Scott Searle: Hey, good afternoon, thanks for taking the questions sorry, Dan nice to see it looks like putting the bottom from a revenue standpoint here in building going forward.
Speaker Change: Maybe just to dig in on the community broadband.
Scott Searle: Opportunity.
Scott Searle: Sequentially in December which is consistent with I think what other vendors saw during the quarter, but I'm wondering now as you start to engage and look out over the course of calendar 'twenty. Five are you seeing that start to build back up being driven by E. Cam.
Scott Searle: Are these be potential.
Scott Searle: Potential bead customers that are building out in non <unk> markets, you know, what what's kind of the profile right now that's starting to come back in terms of those build cycles, because it's still sort of a pre beta environment right now.
Scott Searle: Hmm.
Scott Searle: Yeah definitely prepaid.
Scott Searle: We're seeing you know.
Scott Searle: Requests for Baba pricing.
So there's a lot of people doing planning and quoting them and getting involved in the B program as we've moved them.
Scott Searle: Each of the different states move to the next level. So quoting activity for bead is up from a barber orientation, but it's certainly not a business yet.
Scott Searle: But the quoting activity that I referred to earlier isn't just about the Baba compliant, it's really across the board.
Scott Searle: It does include the U can business, but it includes a number of non government funded initiatives. So it hit more venture funded or our private privately.
Scott Searle: Privately backed within.
Scott Searle: The company itself and I think that's the part of the business that has always been the most exciting for me, even though be this big money, what's exciting to me is the fact that you know.
Scott Searle: You when youre using your own money and you're investing in your own networks and you'll find that fiber is the best return on investment that naturalized supply and demand is the most healthy way to build a business and and I think that's the long term viability of our organization.
Scott Searle: So again I.
Scott Searle: I think really exciting in that way.
The community broadband initiative I would say that one of the things that surprised us a little bit right now is house.
Scott Searle: Uh huh.
Scott Searle: Good it feels in regard to how early in the year people are getting ready for the bill season.
Scott Searle: Their commitment to it and being able to want to make sure that they know what theyre going to order and how theyre going to order. It. So I'm anticipating that we're gonna have a really good bookings.
Scott Searle: Booking corner, the probably a O R. Cory this last last quarter was like a one to one booking ratio.
Scott Searle: Approximately.
Scott Searle: Backlog went up about $1 million.
I'm anticipating them you know like I guess, I'm getting a little bit out of my skis here, but I'll I'll go for it I think we'll have a backlog bigger.
Scott Searle:
Scott Searle: What it is today when we go into next quarter, you know getting ready for bill season to end and making sure that we have.
The materials in place that people aren't eating.
Scott Searle: That's great very helpful and sorry, just to clarify, though so for community broadband you you would expect sequential growth then going forward over the next couple of quarters absent beat right. So bead for you you've been yes, Amazon fiscal 'twenty six okay.
And this I know this has been sort of murky out there from a market standpoint, but the bead process right. We've gotten three states that have actually been approved by the N T. I E. They are expected to be some changes within the organization.
Scott Searle: Does the bead process continue what are you hearing back from the states in terms of how the process is going to evolve change.
Scott Searle: Going forward.
Scott Searle: Right.
Scott Searle: The I mean, the appropriate I mean, it's been very clear that the program is it's going to change, but I don't think the process necessarily is going to change.
Scott Searle: You know the the parts of the program that had been very deliberately.
Scott Searle: I mean, I guess I was going to use the word attacked but reviewed them.
Scott Searle: Are some of the incremental overhead costs that were added.
Scott Searle: Costs associated with the administration the environmental reviews.
The certainly the the.
Scott Searle: The diversity and equity issues are certainly going to be removed. So more of the funding will be used for direct build in last for some of the.
Scott Searle: With the current administration calls you know the social life, the social program aspect of it. So you know all of our service providers are believing that that will change and most of them are supporting those changes because it streamlines their process and puts more money in there and their potential pocket.
Scott Searle: I would as it relates to some of the bead review and the words that are coming out from the.
Scott Searle: The new NCAA administrator that.
Scott Searle: She's not as necessarily fiber friendly as the people in the past you know I I.
Scott Searle: The past administration was this where fiber advocates, but I don't think they were fiber at all cost we've always believed.
Scott Searle: And supported the that'd be program was a heterogeneous program that we use the right technology for the REIT space.
Scott Searle: Some home is cannot be economically reached by fiber and we knew that from the beginning and they're expecting that those awards will be next.
Scott Searle: But I hope that you know the administration will look at this as being an infrastructure build for the long term enhancements yes.
Scott Searle: And not a quick turn I Wanna make somebody happy program. We can absolutely go to a satellite program turned it on today and improve a lot of People's performance for a short period of time, but it won't work long term because we don't have the density you know their satellites don't have the density to offer at the M and it's not.
Scott Searle: Is not building infrastructure five years from now those satellites have to be replaced and then you know there'll be more money put it put into it so we're hoping that.
Scott Searle: School heads will prevail.
Scott Searle: And the right decisions will be made that we most cost effective long term.
Speaker Change: Very helpful and if I could just finish up on gross margins Dan you know.
Speaker Change: This quarter down a little bit sequentially. It sounds like some one time benefits are not there but.
Speaker Change: Implied in the back half of the fiscal year guidance as an uptick in revenues could you give us an idea of what we should be expecting from a gross margin standpoint, and then just to clarify the earlier Barber.
Speaker Change: Compliant.
Speaker Change: Under the Mexican facility under the muscle of door arrangement does that make your barber compliance. So that you know it would not be any any necessarily implications to manufacturing in that current facility. If in fact, they were Mexican tariffs. Thanks.
Scott Searle: Yeah, Hi, Scott.
Scott Searle: The fact that it's a maquiladora.
Scott Searle: Doesn't change it's still across the border so that you're still gonna be considered you know.
Scott Searle: You know.
Scott Searle: Manufactured in Mexico, and there's certainly rules around sometimes it's this country of origin, how much comes from the U S that isn't and labor the labor.
Scott Searle: Is done in Mexico, So theres some rules around that that we navigate but it doesn't change. The fact that we still have to go through.
Scott Searle: To hit the 55% or whatever the rules are for the Baba things.
Scott Searle: As far as the margins.
Scott Searle: They're going to be a little bit volume dependent we did have some nice a nice absorption nice labor heavy.
Scott Searle: Products this quarter, some one time things that helped us out.
Scott Searle: But we will probably be a little bit more consistent with what our first quarter Guide was which you know I.
Scott Searle: I think what your analyst.
Scott Searle: Estimates, where we're we're pretty correct, but so so we won't be significantly higher here in the second quarter. However, as the volume goes up as we head towards our guidance level than you'll be getting into the.
Scott Searle: Lower twenties to the mid twenties.
Scott Searle: Certainly by the fourth quarter, that's the that's the goal.
Scott Searle: Great. Thanks, so much.
Scott Searle: Mhm.
Speaker Change: Thank you and there are no further questions at this time I'll now turn the call back over to Cheri Beranek for closing remarks.
Cheri Beranek: Thank you.
Cheri Beranek: We are pleased to be in a position to be delivering on the.
Cheri Beranek: We have the forecast that we had originally provided and the guy that overall market trends that we indicated you know nearly a year ago.
Cheri Beranek: We are in the in the U shaped recovery that we anticipated the we see that U shape recovery being part of our build season and are looking forward to seeing the uptick of that you are in third and fourth quarter as they build season commences and then as we move forward into next year knowing that.
Cheri Beranek: This year, our build season will come on top of an <unk> program and then next year that'd be program will be layered in on top so this U shaped recovery that we saw year ago anticipated a year ago is here and we're excited to be a major player within it and we look to our shareholders.
Cheri Beranek: To stay patient with us just a little bit longer as the market corrects itself.
Cheri Beranek: Excuse me and I look forward to speaking with you again in the next quarter.
Cheri Beranek: Thank you and that concludes today's conference all parties may disconnect have a good day. Thank you.