Q4 2024 trivago N.V. Earnings Call
Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. And welcome to the Trivago Q4 Earnings Call 2024. I must advise you the call is being recorded today, Wednesday, the 5th of February, 2025.
Speaker Change: We are pleased to be joined on the call today by Johannes Thomas, Trivago's CEO and Managing Director, and Robin Harries, Trivago's CFO and Managing Director.
Speaker Change: The following discussion, including responses to your questions, reflects management's views as of Tuesday, February 4th, 2025 only, unless expressly stated otherwise.
Speaker Change: In which case, it reflects management's views as of today, Wednesday, February 5th, 2025 only. Trivago does not undertake any obligation to update or revise this information.
Speaker Change: As always, some of the statements made on today's call are forward-looking, typically preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate, or similar statements.
Speaker Change: Please refer to the Q4 2024 Operating and Financial Review and Travago's other filings with the SEC for information about factors which could cause Travago's actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: You will find reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures discussed today in Trivago's Operating and Financial Review, which is posted on Trivago's Investor Relations website at ir.trivago.com.
Speaker Change: You are encouraged to periodically visit Trafalgar's investor relations website for important content. Finally, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons on this call will be against results from the comparable period of 2023.
Johannes Thomas: And with that, let me turn the call over to Johannes.
Johannes Thomas: Thank you everyone for joining us on our Q4 2024 earnings call. I'm excited to share that after one and a half years of intense groundwork and strategic execution, we achieved revenue growth in Q4 2024.
Johannes Thomas: This marks a turning point for us as we see solid momentum heading into 2025.
Johannes Thomas: We are pleased to report that we achieved 5% growth in referral revenue and delivered $11.1 million in adjusted LBDA last quarter, both exceeding our expectations.
Johannes Thomas: The start of this quarter has been equally promising, with strong double-digit top-line growth across all segments.
Johannes Thomas: Key drivers of our performance include major product enhancements over the past year and continued positive returns from our brand marketing investments.
Johannes Thomas: We have already launched brand marketing campaigns in more than 23 key travel markets this year.
Johannes Thomas: We remain disciplined in our approach, aiming to invest near break-even adjusted EBITDA levels.
Johannes Thomas: Although it's still early in the year, we expect to achieve at least high single-digit revenue growth in 2025.
We see significant margin and growth potential.
Johannes Thomas: especially since our revenue has not yet returned to pre-COVID levels.
Johannes Thomas: A major reason for this delay in recovery has been conservative brand marketing investments during the pandemic and the rebound phase in 2022.
Johannes Thomas: However, we caught corrected starting in two to twenty twenty three with the arrival of the new leadership team.
Johannes Thomas: Shortly after, we increased our brand investments and rebuilt a world-class brand marketing team.
Johannes Thomas: We have focused our technology investments on improving our hotel search and price comparison products. We have multiplied the number of experiments conducted on our website, resulting in substantial improvement in conversion rates during 2024.
Johannes Thomas: Since our arrival, we have cultivated a performance-driven culture that prioritizes continued learning and rapid execution. We have accelerated the pace of experimentation, rigorously measuring impact, and boldly scaling successful initiatives.
We made AI a central focus within our organization.
Johannes Thomas: One of our first initiatives in 2023 was to establish a company-wide AI Ambassadors Group and fast-track the implementation of Gen AI tools, enabling our talents to leverage the technology.
Johannes Thomas: Today we have built a competitive AI infrastructure with 70% of our employees reporting that these tools save them 30 minutes or more each day.
Johannes Thomas: We have launched AI-powered TV ads, new personalization algorithms for our search results, and unique AI highlights for over 300,000 hotels.
Johannes Thomas: In November last year, we unveiled our new AI smart search, offering travelers entirely new ways to search for hotels.
Johannes Thomas: We are very excited about the widespread internal AI adoption, which is unlocking both productivity gains and the potential to further increase user value.
Johannes Thomas: Trivago is a leading brand in a large and expanding market. We are well positioned in a market estimated to be over $1.5 trillion in size.
Johannes Thomas: Especially the hotel segment is highly attractive in terms of margin and scope. We are among the strongest and most recognized travel brands across three markets in developed Europe, the Americas and Asia.
Johannes Thomas: This brand recognition is an invaluable asset that we aim to continually leverage and strengthen.
Johannes Thomas: Compared to pre-COVID levels, there remains significant potential for us to increase our brand investment in the coming years, which we expect to be a growth driver.
Johannes Thomas: Our value proposition is more relevant than ever, particularly in an era where travelers seem to be price conscious.
Johannes Thomas: Our research indicates that about half of U.S. travelers place a high value on securing competitive prices. More than 40% actively seek out deals and compare prices across various booking sites.
Johannes Thomas: Since the pandemic, the number of deals and price discrepancies we have identified has significantly increased.
Johannes Thomas: U.S. travelers who use Trivago to compare prices have a good chance of saving up to 40 percent.
Johannes Thomas: We aim to unlock value for our shareholders and users by diligently executing on our strategy. Going forward, our strategy will be laser-focused on three strategic pillars.
Johannes Thomas: Our first strategic priority is brand marketing. We will continue to optimize our brand investment across the globe and deliver captivating ads that strongly convey our value proposition.
Johannes Thomas: Our second strategic priority is our core hotel search product. We will continue to run dozens of experiments at a time and improve user experience and conversion rates for our core product. Further, we will dedicate investments to develop a differentiated member proposition.
Johannes Thomas: We want price-savvy travelers to start their journey on Trivago instead of other search engines or Gen AI applications.
Johannes Thomas: These efforts will be complemented by investment and personalization of our search results in cutting-edge AI features on Trivago.
Johannes Thomas: Our first strategic priority is to empower our partners to maximize their potential on tobacco.
Johannes Thomas: A key initiative in 2025 will be the evolution and expansion of Trivago Booking Goal, a facilitated booking funnel for our partners that offers them the opportunity to increase conversion rates and competitiveness in our marketplace.
Johannes Thomas: We believe that these priorities will drive sustainable growth and value to our users as well as partners.
Johannes Thomas: Thank you, Johannes, and good morning everyone. Q4 marks an important milestone for us. It is the first time since Q1 2023 that we can demonstrate top-line revenue growth again. Total revenues grew by 3% to €94.8 million in the fourth quarter compared to the same period last year, primarily driven by a 5% increase in referral revenue.
Johannes Thomas: We believe that returning to year-over-year growth represents a turning point in our strategic multi-year effort to revitalize the brand and achieve our previously announced goal of double-digit revenue growth in the midterm.
Johannes Thomas: We are pleased with a strong start to the year and have seen strong double-digit growth in January compared to the prior year.
Johannes Thomas: As of the end of Q4 2024, we had over 130 million euros in cash, no long-term debt and maintained robust financial health.
Johannes Thomas: Our focus on branded revenue growth continues to bear fruit with further positive developments over the quarter. Additionally, our efforts to enhance booking conversions and lead quality are making us an increasingly attractive marketing channel for our partners.
Johannes Thomas: Let's now delve into our Q4 results and outlook for 2025. Unless otherwise stated, all comparisons for 2024 are on a year-over-year basis.
Johannes Thomas: In the fourth quarter, our total revenue was 94.8 million euros, representing a 3% increase compared to the same period in 2023.
Johannes Thomas: In our rest of world segment, preferable revenues increased by 15%, the Americas experienced an 8% increase, and developed Europe showed a 2% decline, which, although negative, is an improvement from the previous quarter.
Johannes Thomas: Our brand investment efforts are yielding positive results again, particularly in developed Europe and the rest of world segments, where we achieved double-digit revenue growth from branded channel traffic year over year.
Johannes Thomas: In the Americas, we saw mixed effects with brand revenue growth in North America and a decline in Latin where we did not focus our investment deposits in Q4.
Johannes Thomas: Despite the positive branded revenue growth, we continued to face challenges in our performance marketing channels, primarily due to changes in Google advertising formats. These changes have introduced volatility and resulted in traffic volume losses.
Johannes Thomas: However, we have observed stabilization over the past months, which is encouraging. We remain committed to a disciplined, opportunity-driven investment strategy and will not compromise long-term brand investments to offset performance marketing volume losses.
Johannes Thomas: While monetization was softer this quarter compared to the prior year, it remained healthy in the Americas, whereas it was slightly negative in the rest of world and happens in developed Europe still persists.
Johannes Thomas: During the fourth quarter, we reported a net income of 5.1 million euros and achieved an adjusted EVTA of 11.1 million euros.
Johannes Thomas: The adjusted EBTA in Q4 exceeded our expectations, primarily due to a higher than expected revenue growth and more efficient marketing, resulting in a high return on ad spend ROAS.
Johannes Thomas: Operational expenses decreased by 0.3 million euros totaling 87 million euros for the fourth quarter primarily due to 0.5 million euros reduction in general and administrative expense and 0.1 million euros lower selling and marketing expense partly offset by 0.4 million euros higher technology and content expenses.
Johannes Thomas: Advertising spend increased by 18% in the Americas and 3% in the rest of the world, while decreasing by 15% in developed Europe. While overall advertising spend was only slightly more than the same period in 2023, we invested proportionally more into our brand marketing channels.
Johannes Thomas: This increase was driven by stronger brand marketing spend, especially in developed Europe and America, partly offset by reduced performance marketing spend, particularly in developed Europe.
Globally, our role has improved from Q4 2020 through.
Johannes Thomas: With improvements in developed Europe and the rest of the world due to better marketing efficiency. The ROAS in the Americas was below Q4 2023 due to strong marketing investments.
Johannes Thomas: Looking ahead, travel demand remains solid and healthy. We continue to provide high quality traffic to our partners and we are optimistic about regaining more advertisers appreciation over time.
Johannes Thomas: We remain confident in our ability to the full year 2025 to grow total revenue by at least high single-digit percentage levels compared to the same period in 2024. We expect adjusted EVDA to be at least at break-even as we continue reinvesting our profits into our marketing strategy.
Johannes Thomas: We see substantial opportunities to scale our brand marketing activities, enabling us to reach a larger audience and positively impact overall revenues long-term. With that, let's open the line for questions. Operator, we are now ready to take the first question.
Speaker Change: Thank you so much. And at this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad.
Once again, star and the number one.
Speaker Change: And we will pause just a moment to compile the Q&A roster.
Speaker Change: All right, looks like our first question today comes from Navid Khan with the Reilly Securities. Navid, please go ahead.
Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Speaker Change: Congrats on the return to growth and the positive. I just have two questions one on
Any commentary about getting to double digit growth on the...
Speaker Change: On the top line, trying to understand what needs to happen for you to accelerate growth into a double digit from current levels.
Speaker Change: And then, in terms of just your brand campaigns for 2025, do you plan to expand these into new markets beyond the 23 that you're already in, or do you just want to increase the spending in the existing market? Just talk about that. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Hi Nevid, this is Robin. Thanks for the question. Regarding top-line growth, as we said, we already see strong double-digit top-line growth in January. So we are very happy about the start into the year.
Speaker Change: Moving forward, we see opportunities to scale our brand investments, which we think is the right thing, which is important, and we also uploaded an investor presentation this time, and there you can see that we have
Speaker Change: And the other is to further improve the product. We see nice developments here. Retention goes up. Conversion rates go up.
Speaker Change: We deliver better quality leads to our partners, so that we think it's brand and it's product.
Speaker Change: And in terms of the brand marketing campaign this year, we started in over 20 markets. You know, in the past we had TV campaigns running in around 50 countries. So, yes, there are further opportunities to also go into new markets.
Speaker Change: On the double digit commentary for January, so you're still expecting sort of high single digit I think is the outlook for the year. Why should, does January have easy comms or why do you expect to slow?
Speaker Change: So January is or was much better than we expected. So we had it in our plan but the numbers now are much stronger in terms of top line, in terms of bottom line. We see nice
Speaker Change: Double-digit growth also in all three segments. We see growth in all channels. So the the marketing campaigns are
Speaker Change: are good, they're efficient, we're happy about the product, and yeah, that's it.
Speaker Change: And I think when we are more confident, then we will revise that. And it is true, Q1 comes, it's easier than rest of the year where we already ramped up more in summer. That's why we expect Q1 to be one of the stronger quarters.
Speaker Change: Yeah, so in terms of the revenue growth compared to 2024, as Johanna said, we see Q1 as a strong quarter because of the comms, and then certainly Q3 will be also a strong quarter because this is...
Speaker Change: This is the quarter where we invest the most and where we have the highest, where we expect the highest revenues.
Thank you, Ernest. Thank you, Robin.
Speaker Change: All right, thanks Nabad. And our next question comes from the line of Douglas Anmuth from J.P. Morgan. Douglas, please go ahead.
Speaker Change: And I guess there's potential that that could be higher. So as you get more revenue, is the idea to continue ramping brand investments and keeping with just a little bit of that supposed to break even? And when could that flip and you guys could start generating more profitability?
Yeah.
Speaker Change: Thanks for the questions. This is Robin. I take the first one. So in this stage, we believe that...
Speaker Change: And when we look into where we are coming from, where we were at pre-COVID, when we look at the revenue levels, we believe that this is a huge opportunity for us.
Speaker Change: And we also see, when you look into the Q4 numbers, I just mentioned the strong start in January. We are convinced that it's the right thing to invest into brand marketing, and brand marketing is not only TV advertising, it's connected TV, it's online video, it's brand campaigns.
Speaker Change: So we are convinced that this is a very good opportunity for us. That's why we rather take the money and invest it into growth to become more relevant and to become to more relevant and nicer revenue levels. And, yeah.
Speaker Change: And when we see the returns are not coming as we anticipate, and that depends also this year, what's the elasticity of our spend, which currently looks very promising?
Speaker Change: And that's when we see the necessity going down, then we would turn more into profitability.
Speaker Change: Given the size of Trivago compared to pre-COVID, the overall market is just a lot of gain we can get by activating our brand, bringing it top of mind faster, and from there then turn into more attractive profitability levels.
Speaker Change: And then you had AI Smart Search. Johannes, I comment on that quickly. We're very excited about that product because we've not seen anybody else launching it or having similar features like that. It is basically a new way of searching. Traditionally, you search for a city, then you put a date, and then you get results.
On SmartSearch, you can basically type...
Speaker Change: a semantic, a free search sentence, basically. You could say, I'm looking for a hotel that has rooms with views of the Eiffel Tower.
Speaker Change: We give you a result in our AI hotel highlights that we scaled up over the course of the last year to 300,000 hotels and 27 markets.
Speaker Change: reflect basically your query. So you have a new way of searching hotels.
and you can do searches.
Speaker Change: that go beyond a city or a polygon, kind of. You could search something like, I'm looking for a hotel close to the Route 66 with a pool.
Speaker Change: So we get really good results out of that and we're very happy with that feature.
Speaker Change: We are very, let's say, conservative in how we are surfacing that to our users.
Speaker Change: It's currently a standalone feature you can access and use. We have, I think it was actually this week, we have launched and making that part of our search suggestions to educate people on using free search functionality. And I think that will, to manage expectation from experience that user behavior changes on Trivago or generally, it's just a very slow process.
Speaker Change: So similar to you've seen mobile share going up over many years, we think the same here as well. We will not push users into a product just to get numbers up. It will be a gradual behavior change.
Speaker Change: that we will be watching and depending on the results we will increase its exposure or not.
Great, thank you.
Speaker Change: Great, thanks for the question. And our next question comes from the line of Ron Josie with Citibank. Ron, please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, this is Robert. I'm for Ron. Thanks for taking the question. You mentioned potentially introducing a differentiated member proposition to prepare remarks.
Speaker Change: Hi Ron, this is Johannes. Thank you for asking this question. I think it's pretty important. I think one angle and the main reason why we are approaching this is that
We want to differentiate to other search engines, Gen-AIs.
Speaker Change: So we think a lot of shoppers, price conscious people are on Trivago and we want to basically lock those users in and using Trivago start their journey on Trivago. That's the core rationale.
Speaker Change: of logging these users in, it's a relevant double-digit percentage of our business where we think this user, this proposition is.
Speaker Change: So there are basically deals that are not allowed to be publicly visible, but they are allowed to be shared for members.
Speaker Change: So, we are sourcing these deals with our partners and then basically inform our users about it, our members, and users basically get better prices if they log in. We don't really need a member loyalty program around it. We just give this value to users that are logging in, and that's a strong why you should log in. There is other things like we are informing you if your hotel got cheaper.
Speaker Change: If prices have changed and other perks we are working on to make this attractive but I think the strongest reason is that you just get better prices if you log in and Probably the strongest angle we are seeing here
Speaker Change: Got it. And you mentioned a quick follow-up. You also, you call it out specifically that book and go is a key.
Speaker Change: Initiative for this year for 2025. So I'd love to hear how you see Toledo partnership evolving over the next few months here. And then given you have the option to purchase the remaining equity, what would have to happen for you to exercise this option?
Speaker Change: Yeah, good question as well. So, we are very thrilled about the partnership. Continue to think that was a very good decision. The team of Holisto is very strong. They have delivered on our OKRs. We have aligned with them on
Speaker Change: And we've taken tests live that we are basically build proof of concepts of book and go that we want to see.
Speaker Change: And now we are assessing scalability and it's still early before we can share, I think.
concrete numbers given the complexity of projects we have.
Speaker Change: But over time, we basically want to check box. Are they delivering on their OKRs?
Speaker Change: Are we happy with the results we are seeing from Book&Go? And I think we have the call option for quite some time and in the course of that we will take a decision, but there is no decision on that so far.
Great. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Great, thanks Robert. And just a reminder folks, one last call to ask a question. Once again, star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Once again, star one. And our next question comes from the line of Wei Fang with Mizuho. Wei, please go ahead.
Wei Fang: Thank you, and this is Wei calling for James. Congrats on the turnaround. Just a quick double click onto your branded channel, right? Can you help maybe talk about any metrics that you can share, such as repeat customers or organic traffic mix, et cetera, that you are seeing right now? Thank you.
Hi, this is Robin. Thanks for congrats on the question.
Speaker Change: And so we don't disclose further KPIs regarding our brand traffic or brand revenue. It's, I mean, how we look at it.
Speaker Change: We have our brand campaigns running. We look at direct response. We look at brand after effects. We look at unaided brand awareness, so quality measures. There's a wide range of KPIs that we look at, and then we optimize it.
Speaker Change: We look at the direct response. We look at how many people do we reach, how many people come to our website, what do they do. So there's a couple of metrics, but this is actually not...
Speaker Change: There's nothing that we disclose, but yeah, so we have I think we started in
Speaker Change: When was it, to 29 or so, relatively early with our brand marketing campaigns and have quite some, quite good understanding about how to optimize it and how to measure success of brand marketing campaigns.
Speaker Change: And maybe one comment on retention, I think everybody in the space knows how difficult it is to measure retention and travel given the low usage on average.
Speaker Change: I think how we think about it, the stronger proxy for retention is conversion rate. So if we see conversion rates going up.
Speaker Change: particularly among our branded users, that's for us a proxy that retention is moving. And part of why we think results are better than expected in Q4 and Q1, the product is a big part of it. In our investor presentation that we have shared as well, you will see indication of how conversion rate has changed.
Speaker Change: And that can make a big difference on retention and the trajectory we are seeing.
Great. Thank you very much.
Thanks Leigh.
Speaker Change: And that does conclude today's question and answer session. So I will now turn the call back over to Johannes Thomas for closing comments.
Johannes Thomas: and we're confident on the strategy and focus on execution to deliver to deliver strong results for our shareholders. Thanks a lot for joining today and see you soon.
Johannes Thomas: Thank you so much. And ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you again for joining and you may now disconnect. Have a great day, everyone.