Q2 2025 Farmer Bros Co Earnings Call
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Farmer brothers fiscal second quarter 2025 earnings Conference call. At this time all participants are in listen only mode. As a reminder, this call is being recorded.
The company filed its Form 10-Q and issued its second quarter results press release, which are available in the Investor Relations section of farmer Brothers' website at farmer Bros. Dot com.
The release is also included as an exhibit on the company's Form 10-Q and is available on its website and the securities and exchange Commission's website at S. E C Dot Gov.
Play of this audio only webcast will also be available on the company's website approximately two hours after the conclusion of this call.
Before we begin the call. Please note all of the financial information presented is unaudited and various remarks made by management. During this call about the company's future expectations plans and prospects may constitute forward looking statements for purposes of the safe Harbor provisions under the Federal Securities Law.
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On today's call management will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin in assessing the company's operating performance.
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I will now turn the call over to Farmer brothers, President and Chief Executive Officer, John Moore, Mr. Moore. Please go ahead.
John Moore: Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us.
John Moore: Second quarter was a strong one for farmer brothers, despite the challenging market environment.
John Moore: Sales were up slightly on a year over year basis, and up 6% compared to the first quarter of this year to $90 million.
John Moore: We maintained gross margins above 43% for the second straight quarter.
John Moore: Selling and G&A expenses also continued to decline in.
John Moore: In addition, we realized our second straight quarter of positive adjusted EBITDA performance at $5 9 million and generated positive free cash flow for the first time in many years.
John Moore: We believe these results underscore the positive impact of the changes we have made to focus on DSD operations and optimize the business over the last 18 months.
John Moore: Overall, our cost structure is significantly improved but we remain focused on driving customer and volume growth against a tough consumer backdrop.
John Moore: On that front, just last week announced a partnership with us to develop a new premium coffee program featuring ethically sourced eco friendly blends specifically designed for the workplace.
John Moore: This partnership highlights our core value proposition with our white glove DSD service model, serving as a key factor in their decision to work with us.
John Moore: We also announced the addition of Brian Miller to our senior leadership team in January.
John Moore: Brian joins the company as our Vice President of sales. He is a results oriented leader, who has a proven track record of driving business development efforts within both DSD organizations and the coffee sector.
Speaker Change: Bauer, who previously led our sales organization and DSD operations has transitioned to the role of Vice President and Chief Field operations Officer.
Speaker Change: Tom will continue to head up our DSD team, where he will be focused on leading our route and working capital optimization efforts as well as helping to further refine our operational systems and processes.
Speaker Change: We believe these leadership enhancements will provide significant benefits as each of these experienced leaders will now have a singular area of focus within the business both of which play a vital role in driving our topline and strengthening customer growth and retention efforts.
Speaker Change: In addition, I am pleased to announce our comprehensive SKU rationalization and brand pyramid projects will both be completed by the end of the fiscal third quarter.
The final phase. The addition of our new specialty tea or coffee, Brad has already rolled out to select customers and we'll be launching fully in a few weeks.
Speaker Change: Early feedback has been positive and with this initiatives completed we can focus on executing.
Speaker Change: These projects have created significant operational efficiencies for farmer brothers, which we expect to continue to realize benefits from through the back half of 2025 and have helped simplify our overall go to market approach.
Speaker Change: Our updated brand chairman. It also allows us to meet our customers, where they are and provide them with options to engage at the levels and prices, which make the most sense for them.
Speaker Change: We believe the simplified and straightforward approach will further enhance our customer growth and retention efforts we.
Speaker Change: We do however continue to experience pressure related to customer counts and overall coffee volumes we.
Speaker Change: We saw some customer attrition during the second quarter and our overall coffee volumes were down 8% on a year over year basis.
Speaker Change: This is primarily a result of customer account degradation, lower consumer spending and decreased foot traffic across our customer base.
All of these will be a key area of focus for Brian and his team for the remainder of this year and beyond.
Speaker Change: With that said, our allied products, which include Ts other beverages spices mixes in various culinary items make up approximately half of our total sales.
Speaker Change: These products, which are a natural extension of our coffee offerings continue to help us protect our gross margins during volatile market environments by making each route in individuals' stopped more profitable and creating additional value within our existing accounts.
Speaker Change: Our coffee expertise, coupled with our allied goods as a market differentiator for farmer brothers together, they provide additional opportunities and benefits for our customer base, ultimately, creating greater customer loyalty and helping us solve both more coffee and more allied products.
Speaker Change: Looking at the macroeconomic environment, we continue to see high prices and volatility in the commodity markets.
Speaker Change: Results a number of our peers have taken price in the last few months or have announced plans to do so in the coming year.
Speaker Change: Farmer brothers was proactive in doing this making a price adjustment in early fiscal 2025, and our response to what we were seeing in the marketplace.
Speaker Change: As such we feel we remain well positioned from an inventory and a pricing perspective to continue to protect our top line and customer base, but will of course proactively monitor and adjust as necessary.
Speaker Change: I'd also note we are paying close attention to the heightened risk of trade actions initiated with key export markets for coffee and some of our allied products. While this risk hasn't directly impacted us at this juncture. It does introduce another layer of volatility into the commodity markets.
Speaker Change: Wrapping up we feel good about the performance this quarter and the progress we are making we have a lot more to do and we're doing it in a challenging market environment. We remain heads down on executing and setting up farmer brothers for longer term success I'll now turn it over to Dennis to discuss our financials in more detail Vince.
Dennis: Thanks, John and good afternoon, everyone as John stated Farmer brothers had a solid second quarter. Despite current market challenges with continued improvements in adjusted EBITDA and operating expenses and strong gross margin performance for the second consecutive quarter.
Dennis: Overall, our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $5 9 million a year over year increase of $3 6 million compared to the second quarter of last year.
Dennis: This was also a $4 5 million increased sequentially compared to the first quarter of fiscal 'twenty five.
Dennis: Our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was again supported by healthy gross margins for the second quarter. Our gross margin was 43, 1%.
Dennis: Year over year increase of 270 basis points compared to 44% in the second quarter of last year.
Dennis: Our gross margin results, primarily reflect our price optimization efforts over the past year as well as pricing actions taken early in the fiscal year to get ahead of the rising coffee markets.
Dennis: Sequentially gross margins were down slightly compared to last quarter due to higher cost inventory starting to work through our cost of goods sold.
Dennis: This will continue over the coming quarters and put some pressure on margins as we sell through higher cost inventory due to rising coffee prices. We do however believe our proactive pricing actions and inventory management have us positioned to continue to deliver margins above our 40% target over the coming quarters. Despite current market conditions.
Dennis: For the second quarter net sales were relatively flat year over year at $90 million compared to $89 5 million for the same period last year.
Dennis: Sequentially net sales were up close to $5 million or 6% compared to the first quarter.
Dennis: This sequential improvement represents normal seasonality along with further flow through of the pricing actions I previously mentioned taken in the first quarter.
Dennis: Operating expenses were $37 8 million or 42% of net sales in the second quarter compared to $31 7 million or 35, 4% of net sales in the second quarter of last year.
Dennis: The year over year increase was driven by a $7 7 million decrease in net gains on asset sales as there were no branch sales during the second quarter of this fiscal year.
Dennis: When adjusted for net asset sales operating expenses declined by $1 5 million year over year or 200 basis points as a percentage of net sales, reflecting our progress in right sizing our cost structure over the past year and positioning us well going forward.
Dennis: Net income for the quarter was point 2 million compared to $2 7 million in the second quarter of fiscal 'twenty for you.
Dennis: No last year included $6 1 million of net gains related to asset disposals. While this quarter included a $1 5 million net loss related asset disposals as there were no branch sales during the quarter.
Dennis: Looking at the balance sheet as of December 31, 2024, we had $5 5 billion of unrestricted cash and cash equivalents.
Dennis: Point $2 million in restricted cash and $23 3 million in outstanding borrowings under our credit facility with $23 7 million of additional borrowing capacity.
Dennis: Since the sale of our direct ship operations in 2023, we have been working hard to strengthen our financial position and create a stronger foundation for future growth and value creation for our shareholders.
Dennis: Driving towards positive free cash flow has been a key element of this.
Dennis: We've been making solid progress on this front as demonstrated by our six consecutive quarters of improved cash flow from operations, including two consecutive quarters of positive operating cash flow.
Dennis: For the second quarter cash flow from operating activities was $2 6 million, an increase of $6 3 million compared to the second quarter of last year.
Dennis: We also reached an important milestone by achieving positive free cash flow for the quarter free.
Free cash flow was <unk> 5 million for the quarter, an improvement of $7 6 million compared to the prior year period.
Dennis: As a reminder, farmer brothers defines free cash flow as cash flow from operating activities less capital expenditures.
Dennis: Looking ahead, the unprecedented coffee markets will likely put pressure on our results over the coming quarters.
Dennis: We remain focused on execution and is our second quarter results demonstrate we are in a much stronger position to manage these challenges overall.
Dennis: Overall, we are pleased with our recent results and believe they demonstrate the significant progress we have made and provide a glimpse of our long term potential.
Dennis: With that I'll turn it back over to John John.
Dennis: Yes.
Dennis: Strong improvement year to date and in the second quarter is testament to the hard work of our team over the past year and a half.
Dennis: We're proud of the significant financial improvements we have seen so far in relation to gross margins operating expenses adjusted EBITDA and operating cash flow.
Dennis: These positive strides underlying the success of our internal initiatives and efficiency efforts. There is still more work to be done, though we believe there is potential to realize additional incremental long term gains in terms of efficiencies.
Dennis: The core focus of the organization at this time is driving growth in topline coffee pounds in customer accounts, while continuing to optimize operations.
Dennis: In the near term the macroeconomic environment continues to be challenging for our industry that said farmer brothers is better positioned than it has been in prior years, and we will continue to proactively adjust as needed to address these headwinds as our focus remains on protecting our customer base and driving top line growth.
Dennis: With the addition of Brian as head of our sales team. We are further shoring up our business development strategy and capabilities.
Dennis: This paired with the implementation of our simplified brand pyramid strategy and our focus on driving product penetration across our existing customer base should help to drive topline results as these initiatives gain traction.
Dennis: In his new role Tom will now also be able to fully focus his expertise on extending and enhancing our logistics and operational capabilities. As we continue to work to optimize and add density across our existing DSD routes.
Dennis: As is evidenced by our recent performance we are continuing to make significant progress and improvements across the organization. Despite current market challenges with these improvements we are confident when more stable market conditions return will be well positioned to realize significant positive gains and drive long term growth and profitability.
Dennis: I want to thank you all for joining us on the call today, operator, we will now open it up for questions.
Dennis: Thank you we will now begin the question and answer session.
Speaker Change: I'll ask a question you May press Star then one on your telephone keypad. If you were using a speaker phone. Please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.
Dennis: To withdraw your question. Please press Star then two.
Dennis: At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Speaker Change: Today's first question comes from Gerald Gerard Sweeney with Roth. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker Change: Hey, Gerrick, thanks for joining Jerry great to hear from you.
Speaker Change: Congratulations obviously, you're executing very well.
Speaker Change: And results.
I did want to touch on that in a second but I did want to start on obviously the top line as you said I think it's a quote from the top line is one of your strategic focuses going forward.
Speaker Change: There are you know putting Brian on Forbes looks like you're making some taking some steps.
Speaker Change: Either we weren't revamp or tighten up the sales process I just curious if maybe you could shed a little bit of light on.
Speaker Change: What your thought process on that front.
Speaker Change: Uh huh.
Speaker Change: It was a big step forward is there what's the opportunity here et cetera, along those fronts if you could.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Jerry: Sure Jerry we're extremely excited to have Brian Miller joined the organization he comes with.
Jerry: Decades, plus experience both in DSD and specifically in the coffee space.
Jerry: You know and he is charged with really.
Jerry: We're getting a new life and energy into our business development efforts.
Jerry: Tom powers done a tremendous job restructuring are the kpis sets that drive sales efforts building that infrastructure building that team while simultaneously working through the various operational issues that we've talked about over the last year.
Jerry: And I think it's really about the scale and size of the both challenge and opportunity sure Farmer brothers, adding dedicated resources to both sides of the equation on the optimization of the DSD organization and the business development efforts I think.
Jerry: We are going to yield some exciting results for us going forward.
Jerry: Got it.
Jerry: Switching gears obviously.
Jerry: What I would probably alluding to and did not complete as well as splitting the roles.
Jerry: And ourselves are as important as the operational side and then on the operational side, maybe what inning do you think you are and in terms of optimizing the platform you've made some really good gains we're seeing it in the numbers, but just curious as to.
Jerry: How much more is out there and may be some.
Jerry: Or are there any chunkier items still remaining or are we going to see a little bit more blocking and tackling and some incremental gains.
Jerry: That's a great question, Gary I think I would say we're in the early.
Jerry: Early to mid innings, however to characterize it in that way I think we're still.
Speaker Change: Getting a handle on all of the street level opportunities that remain I do see that there's tremendous potential value in our existing customer base that that remains to an extent untapped and one of the things. We're really excited to dig into now that we have Tom focused exclusively on the.
Speaker Change: The existing customer base and fulfillment of that White glove service value proposition and we have Brian focused completely on the development of new opportunities I think we can really fulfill our promise to the customer.
Speaker Change: We've now buttoned up the brand pyramid SKU rationalization piece.
Speaker Change: There's no question, we've acknowledged and I think resolved some of the core challenges that we're facing in the past where there were the out of stock challenges or the equipment availability challenges I think we've taken great strides in resolving some of those things and now we can really turn our lens to how do we increase that product penetration how do we.
Speaker Change: Realize more value and strengthen that relationship her customer on a customer by customer basis, because ultimately that's going to drive that return on investment if we put equipment in and it will drive topline contribution dollar per stop when we expand the footprint with the customer. So I think we have a lot of opportunity there yet to be real.
Speaker Change: And it's it's great to think that we're in a space now where we can start to turn Orleans more skewed strategic initiatives like that going forward.
Speaker Change: Got it Super helpful I'll jump back in queue I appreciate it.
Speaker Change: That's on a on a nice quarter.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Thanks, Jerry Thank you.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Eric Dey, Loria with Craig Hallum. Please go ahead.
Eric Dey: Great. Thank you for taking my questions and congrats on strong profitability this quarter great execution.
Speaker Change: Thanks, Eric.
Speaker Change: And questions.
Our around the specialty tier brands wondering if you could expand on any of the.
Speaker Change: That positive early customer feedback that you touched on and then overall.
Speaker Change: Specialty is typically a smaller percentage of your sales, but do you see the rollout I guess, a full rollout of the specialty brand as the potential top line driver or is it more of a margin enhancer, helping.
Speaker Change: Helping drive the continued efficiency optimization that you guys are executing on.
Speaker Change: That's a great question I think it would it would begin in the former and then the ladder. So.
Speaker Change: If you look at the data around a coffee consumption patterns and particularly when you look at a generational trends amongst consumers you can really see a gravitation to more exotic and specialty style beverages flavor profiles as you get into Gen V. Gen Alpha and I bet that entire.
Speaker Change: Group matures into.
Speaker Change: And two a viable consumer set and that's one of the exciting things about the specialty opportunity bigger picture longer term is that it really aligns with a lot of those.
Speaker Change: Tumors theyre looking for the more conscientious consumer ideology around sustainability theyre looking for transparency, they're looking to have a more first person relationship.
Speaker Change: With the products that they buy and and I think our ability to do that to reverse engineer our value chain and coffee from seed. The Sip is something that really distinguishes farmer brothers and what we can do.
Speaker Change: The early results that you spoke to have been very positive are you know we're still in the early days there so not putting too much color into that but you can see some of that capability as evidenced with our relationship with your arrest that we've discussed on the call. That's been out in the press you know the ability of farmer brothers to do high.
Speaker Change: Quality production and sourcing work really differentiates us and our peer set and I think in the initial phases it'll it'll be somewhat of an optimization piece. You know we are optimizing through the collapsing of those multiple brands into one youre seeing a consolidation of skus that upward of 50%.
Speaker Change: When it comes to the finished goods the total aggregate impact of the brand pyramid strategy has been a consolidation of over 66%.
Speaker Change: And when you think about the associated raw materials and SKU count that go into producing these it's over a 55% consolidation so meaningful optimization on the sourcing side and on the manufacturing side, that's been realized through the rest of the organization.
Speaker Change: In the beginning that will generate value for us on the first piece optum.
Speaker Change: Optimizing our operations, but then longer term I think we're excited to see this really a top line driver.
Speaker Change: That's very helpful and great color.
Speaker Change: And actually you kind of touched on my next question. So with this Urs partnership.
Speaker Change: First question here is are the brands with Urs is that sort of specific to that partnership or is this your.
Speaker Change: Your new specialty tier brands.
Speaker Change: It's a great question no. These are brands that are specific to that partnership that I think.
Speaker Change: As such it really highlights one of our underappreciated, perhaps core capabilities again, as a quality roasting and manufacturing sourcing operation. We do have the capability to to breathe life into the value propositions of brands of others and I think it's one of the things that distinguishes again farmer.
Speaker Change: Others for many in our peer space and and that's a great example.
Speaker Change: Again their consumers are looking for eco friendly.
Speaker Change: Environmentally sound.
Speaker Change: Socio economically.
Speaker Change: Driven coffee types.
Speaker Change: That also marry all of those sustainability and transparency efforts with very very very high quality, and we're able to having six Q readers on our team and a very accomplished.
Speaker Change: Coffee capability, we're able to fulfill all of their needs with that program.
Speaker Change: Under their flagship brand.
Speaker Change: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker Change: How material could that your S partnership be I mean, obviously there are there are good size customer.
Speaker Change: So I guess first question just on how material that could be and then can you kind of talk about the landscape of these set of similar opportunities that are out there.
Speaker Change: Yeah. There are many in this space that that don't necessarily roaster manufacturer, but are looking for a partner that can provide that kind of service and there are many that are also significant scale. So I would say, it's a meaningful opportunity.
Speaker Change: Our core focus right now is not in that space to be fair, but it is a capability that we can bring to bear.
Speaker Change: When customers and prospects come to us our core focus is and remains really on our.
Speaker Change: The core business that we do you know our DSD customers are down the street business or are accounts that we have it today and then growing in that food and beverage space with our with our own brands, but this is a capability that we can that we can offer.
Speaker Change: No that's helpful.
Speaker Change:
Speaker Change: And then last question for me here.
Speaker Change: So I also saw.
Speaker Change: In the press that you have a direct to consumer ecommerce platform that you've recently launched can.
Speaker Change: Can you just share any plans here or how are you thinking about this direct to consumer offering.
Speaker Change: Sure. So in actuality many of the brands that we've had over the years, we've spoken of in the past.
Speaker Change: They've had disparate brand expressions and they they there was no sense of familial affiliation between any of the brands. So one of the things we did and that's kind of in line with the brand pyramid strategy as well, what's kind of a line all of these existing sites pare them down and make them consistent with the new corporate branding refresh as well as the brand pyramid.
Speaker Change: Rollout.
Speaker Change: Critical element that was involved in that process was upgrading technology that was driving the e-commerce and what's exciting for US really was the focus in that because as such we enable the b to B web based ordering platform that will go live in Q4 of this year.
Speaker Change: Although the early stages because it was the low hanging fruit, we did a refresh the existing e-commerce sites and align them with the brand pyramid and with the new corporate refresh really the exciting opportunity here is the launch of the B to B web based ordering platform. It'll go lives in a few months' time and that will provide our customers for the first time.
Speaker Change: In our history with the ability ability to place orders at their own convenience, while still enjoying the white glove service that our DSP fulfillment provides and that I think will enable them to really expand their line of sight into our other products that we sell it'll enable that product penetration that we've been talking about and it also enables us to develop loyalty.
Speaker Change: Programming and promotional programming, which again will drive that adoption and drive value creation through the portal. So we're really excited to see that come to life at the tail end of our fiscal year here in the second calendar quarter.
Speaker Change: Great color, thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker Change: Sure. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: To ask a question you May press Star and then one the next question comes from Aaron Grey with a G. P. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Aaron Grey: Hi, good evening and thanks for the question here, so you've spoken a lot about.
Speaker Change: Potential for increasing tick.
Speaker Change: Take it from your existing customer base, and just thinking about that through the lens of your product offerings. You just alluded to making your customer base, you know more where doctors that you have do you think there.
Speaker Change: As you know any additional need to to increase the offerings either building out yourself, you know the products or acquiring so just any line of sight in terms of.
Speaker Change: How do you feel about the current product offerings you have your customer base do you need to make some additions to that or is it just making sure. They are aware of the offerings that you have thank you.
Aaron Grey: Thank you for joining air and great to hear from you and how can I have it on the call. That's a great question. So.
Aaron Grey: I think that right now our focus is on making the customers aware of the various offerings that we have again one of the elements of the brand pyramid strategy was aligning all of our products in such a way that's safe for the first time in our history would be available throughout the entire country.
Aaron Grey: Keep in mind, we grew through acquisition it used to be that our products were very fractured and how we offered them where we offered them. So again for the first time in our history as of this next quarter.
Aaron Grey: All three tiers on the coffee space will be offered throughout the nation and a unified methodology.
Aaron Grey: When it comes to the Allied portfolio, we've said and alluded to over the last year that we're always looking for innovative products and that was you know the shot syrup.
Aaron Grey: Line that we've been launching and we've been working with over the last year. That's been the boyd's liquid ambient products that we've been talking about we're expanding on that capability. We're excited about where that's going.
Aaron Grey: And.
Aaron Grey: We're looking for new products, but our core focus is really on what we have and exposing our existing customer base arguably for the first time see that portfolio throughout the country in a consistent way.
Speaker Change: Okay, great I appreciate that color there.
Speaker Change: And then just secondly, you brought up price increases I'm not sure you guys are in terms of the broader macro environment.
Speaker Change: So it sounds like more of those are coming for the year for the category. So do you feel like there is any potential limitations or you're looking to do it to hedge the risk you have in terms of the commodity markets and volatility you are seeing there just want to get better line of sight in terms of any potential risks you might see in terms of reaching some level bottleneck for the price increases you have available. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Speaker Change: I can speak to some of the market dynamics and Vance can speak to our.
Speaker Change: Thoughts on on price and what do we stand today I mean, there's no question.
Speaker Change:
Speaker Change: Robusta coffee hit an all time high just this past week arabica.
Speaker Change: Rebecca coffee you hit an all time record high yesterday before them shattering its all time high record today [laughter]. So.
Speaker Change: Getting all the way up to about 411 before closing at 4095 so.
Speaker Change: But the volatility in these markets is nothing new it's what we do we manage to this on a daily basis, and we always have and I would argue Matt Swanson and his green coffee team have implemented changes over the last year and our sourcing protocols, but if anything make us more nimble than we've ever been in managing our supply chains and managing our cost structures.
Speaker Change: That coupled with a brand pyramid rollout and the associated SKU Rat's SKU rationalization on both the Greenside and the finished goods side that we just discussed.
Speaker Change: That's really set us up pretty well to navigate these choppy waters and I think our proactive approach to the pricing that we put in place at the beginning of the last fiscal year.
Speaker Change: This fiscal year, rather and.
Speaker Change: Our capability to source forward plus.
Speaker Change: Plus all of these operational measures, it's really put us in a good spot, but I'll, let dan speak to the to the sort of the pricing side.
Dan: Yeah, Aaron I would say.
Speaker Change: John covered obviously the pricing aspect of what we've already done and as we stated in our in our comments. We felt like we were we've been working on pricing and margins for the past year to kind of get back to the <unk>.
Dan: <unk> 40, plus target that they were trying to achieve.
Speaker Change: You're pleased with the progress that we've made.
Dan: Past couple of quarters.
Dan: I think we're positioned well or better than we have in quite some time.
Dan: To weather the current market conditions, so being proactive earlier in the year, knowing the market was going to be rising I think has put us in a good position I think John mentioned earlier.
Dan: We reserve the right to certainly take additional price if we need to we're going to try and hold off on that as much as possible. It's a very.
Dan: Volatile market conditions right now.
Dan: But as we get further along in this fiscal year will certainly be looking at that more.
Dan: More closely and do what we need to do in order to make sure that we can continue to deliver the.
Dan: The margins that we need.
Dan: Okay, great. Thanks, very much for the color I'll go and jump back into the queue.
Speaker Change: Thank you at this time there are no more lines in the queue. This concludes the question and answer session as well as the conference. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.
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