Q4 2024 Allegion PLC Earnings Call
Speaker Change: Good morning and welcome to the Allegiant fourth quarter 2024 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode.
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Speaker Change: Thank you, Drew. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Allegiant's fourth quarter 2024 earnings call. With me today are John Stone, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Wagnes, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Allegiant.
Speaker Change: Our earnings release, which was issued earlier this morning, and the presentation, which we will refer to in today's call, are available on our website at investor.allegian.com. This call will be recorded and archived on our website. Please go to slide two.
Speaker Change: Statements made in today's call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of federal securities law.
Speaker Change: Please see our most recent SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from our projections.
The company assumes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.
Speaker Change: Today's presentation and commentary include non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the reconciliation and the financial tables of our press release for further details.
Speaker Change: Please go to slide three, and I'll turn the call over to John. Thanks, Josh. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Q4 marked the end to another solid year of growth and strong execution by the entire Legion team.
Speaker Change: We've demonstrated the resilience of our business model, expanded our industry-leading margins, and accelerated capital deployment to invest in our business and return cash to shareholders.
Speaker Change: I'm pleased with the top-line growth in the fourth quarter and 2024 as a whole, especially in the Americas, where we've delivered mid-single-digit growth for the past three quarters as comparisons have normalized.
Speaker Change: We accelerated capital deployment in 2024, returning cash to shareholders and growing our business with accretive tuck-in acquisitions.
Speaker Change: Our strong cash generation, balance sheet, and pipeline of opportunities continue to position us well for future capital deployment to create long-term value for our shareholders.
Speaker Change: We're encouraged by trends in our America's non-residential business exiting 2024 and we'll share some additional market perspectives when we discuss 2025 outlook later in the call.
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Speaker Change: Let's take a look at capital allocation for the full year. Allegiant Mark 2024 with meaningful product launches that demonstrate our deep customer understanding and the strength of our R&D effort and market-leading brands.
Speaker Change: Throughout the year, you heard us speak to a few of these, the Schlage XE360 series, our next generation commercial electronic lock family that supports the latest credential technologies across multifamily and commercial markets.
Speaker Change: We're very proud of these and many others that you may have also heard about. Simons Voss in Germany launched AX2Go supporting mobile smartphone based credentials across both iOS and Android phones.
Speaker Change: And notably in Q4, Allegiant became the first security solutions provider to support mobile credentials on Wear OS by Google smartwatches.
Speaker Change: Look for more announcements like these in 2025 as Elysian continues to build on our legacy and invest for organic growth.
Speaker Change: The Legion executed M&A amounting to $137 million in 2024. This included five bolt-on acquisitions spanning our core markets. In the Legion International, we added boss doors.
Speaker Change: and Dorcas to our portfolio, Expanding How We Go To Market and Expanding Our Electromechanical Product Portfolios.
Speaker Change: In the Americas, we added Krieger Specialty Products, Unicell Architectural, and Saw Store Hardware, which increased the breadth of highly profitable specialty offerings in our non-residential portfolio.
Speaker Change: All of these are leveraging Allegiant's strengths, like spec writing capability and expertise, our manufacturing distribution scale, and strong customer relationships. We're very pleased with the accretive returns they bring to Allegiant.
Speaker Change: We continue to see opportunity to grow inorganically in 2025 and have entered the year with a very active pipeline.
Speaker Change: This was recently marked by our acquisition of the next door company in the United States and the announcement of our intent to acquire Lamar in Australia. We'll share more on both of these bolt-on acquisitions in our Q1 call.
Speaker Change: Lastly, we made share repurchases in the year amounting to approximately $220 million.
Speaker Change: We remain committed to balanced, consistent capital allocation with a clear priority of investing for growth.
Speaker Change: We have an active pipeline that complements our core mechanical and electronics portfolio and leverages our channel strengths. I look forward to updating you as we progress through the year. Mike will now walk you through fourth quarter financial results.
Mike Wagnes: Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining today's call. Please go to slide number five.
Mike Wagnes: As John shared, our Q4 results reflect solid performance from the Allegiant team, delivering another quarter of margin expansion with mid-single-digit top-line growth.
Mike Wagnes: Revenue for the fourth quarter was $945.6 million, an increase of 5.4% compared to 2023.
Mike Wagnes: Organic revenue increased 3.5% in the quarter as a result of favorable price and volume.
Mike Wagnes: We saw strength within our America segment with international organic revenue down slightly in the quarter.
Q4 Adjusted Operating Margin increased by 10 basis points.
driven primarily by volume leverage and favorable mix.
Mike Wagnes: Price and Productivity Net of Inflation and Investment was a slight headwind in Q4, but strong for the full year. I am pleased with the 70 basis points of operating margin expansion for the full year of 2024.
Mike Wagnes: Adjusted earnings per share of $1.86 increased 18 cents or 10.7% versus the prior year. Operational performance, favorable tax, and accretive capital deployment more than offset a slight headwind from interest and other.
Mike Wagnes: Finally, full year 2024 available cash flow was $582.9 million, which was a 12.9% increase versus last year.
Mike Wagnes: We continue to effectively manage working capital and generate strong cash flow. I'll provide more details on our balance sheet and cash flow a little later in the presentation.
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Mike Wagnes: This slide provides an overview of our quarterly revenue. I will review our enterprise results here before turning to our respective regions.
Mike Wagnes: Organic revenue grew 3.5% in the quarter, which included volume growth of 2.9% and price realization of six-tenths of a percent.
Mike Wagnes: Price realization stepped down about a point in the fourth quarter versus Q3, largely due to timing of rebate accruals in the Americas business compared to prior year.
Mike Wagnes: For the full year, the enterprise had solid price realization of 2.4 percent, and as we think about 2025, we expect continued price realization.
Mike Wagnes: Acquisitions drove two points of growth in the quarter and currency was a slight headwind bringing total reported growth to 5.4 percent.
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Mike Wagnes: Organic growth included both favorable price and volume in the quarter. Reported revenue includes 1.9% growth from acquisitions and a slight currency headwind.
Mike Wagnes: Our residential business was up high single digits in the quarter. The quarter was stronger than expected as some of our residential customers pulled in purchases ahead of inflation and tariff uncertainty.
Mike Wagnes: We believe underlying residential markets likely grew more in line with the previous couple of quarters.
Mike Wagnes: As a result, Q4 revenue was benefited by approximately mid-single-digit millions of dollars.
Mike Wagnes: Our non-residential business increased mid-single digits organically in the quarter. As institutional end markets remained stable, we did not have pull ahead within our non-residential customers.
Mike Wagnes: Electronics revenue was up low single digits compared to Q4 last year.
Mike Wagnes: As we discussed on prior calls, electronic comparisons in recent years have reflected the timing of supply chain disruptions in prior years.
Mike Wagnes: America's adjusted operating income of 205.1 million increased 8.9% versus the prior year period. Adjusted operating margin was up 70 basis points as a result of favorable volume leverage and accretive acquisitions.
Mike Wagnes: Price and Productivity, Net of Inflation and Investments was a slight headwind in Q4, but strong for the full year.
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Mike Wagnes: Revenue of $195.6 million was up 1.5% on a reported basis and down 7 tenths of a percent organically.
Mike Wagnes: Acquisitions were a tailwind this quarter, positively impacted reported revenue by 2.4%.
Mike Wagnes: Currency was a slight headwind in the quarter versus prior year.
Mike Wagnes: China was also a headwind to international organic growth. We took additional steps in the quarter to exit our already small operations there.
Mike Wagnes: In total, we had approximately $5 million of revenue in full year 2024, which represents a slight headwind to 2025 organic growth.
Mike Wagnes: International Adjusted Operating Income of $30.9 million decreased 4.3% versus the prior year period.
Adjusted operating margin for the quarter decreased 100 basis points.
Mike Wagnes: While price and productivity exceeded inflation and investments, margin declines were due to lower volumes.
Mike Wagnes: Please go to slide 9 and I will provide an overview of our cash flow and balance sheet.
Mike Wagnes: 2024 available cash flow came in at approximately $583 million, up $66.5 million versus the prior year.
Mike Wagnes: This increase is driven by higher earnings and improvements in working capital, partially offset by higher capital expenditures.
Mike Wagnes: Working capital as a percent of revenue improved as we continue to focus on working capital efficiency to convert earnings to cash. We saw improvements in both inventory terms and DSO this year, which drove the improvement.
Mike Wagnes: Finally, our balance sheet remains strong. Our net debt to Adjusted EBITDA is at a healthy ratio of 1.6 times.
Mike Wagnes: Our business continues to generate strong cash flow and our balance sheet supports continued capital deployment. I will now hand the call back over to John.
Thanks, Mike. Please go to slide 10.
Speaker Change: Last quarter we provided some initial market commentary for 2025. Today I'd like to focus specifically on our institutional markets to provide more perspective on what's one of the main drivers of our business.
Speaker Change: A legion holds an enviable position in the industry here with strength in our sales footprint, our specification capabilities, and our relationships with channel partners.
Speaker Change: We win business by solving complex problems for end-users and working closely with architects, with whom we've had decades-long relationships.
Speaker Change: As we start off 2025, we continue to see indications of stable growth in our key market segments.
Speaker Change: Dodge Institutional Indicators also support volume growth as square-footed starts have been in positive territory.
Speaker Change: The institutional markets are still growing, partially offset by known pockets of softness like commercial office and multifamily.
Speaker Change: Please go to slide 11 and let's walk through our Outlook for 2025.
Speaker Change: We expect Total Allegiant Revenue Growth to be 1-3%, and Organic Revenue Growth to be 1.5-3.5%.
Speaker Change: Total growth includes approximately one point of acquisitions, which is largely carryover from 2024, and approximately one and a half points of headwind from foreign currency, primarily in Allegian International.
Speaker Change: In the Americas, we expect organic revenue growth to be low to mid-single digits, with growth coming from both our non-residential and residential businesses.
Speaker Change: We're estimating an adjusted earnings per share outlook in the range of $7.65 to $7.85.
Speaker Change: This represents growth of approximately 1.5% to 4% over the prior year period, inclusive of a significant headwind from tax rate, which is estimated to be 17.5% in 2025 at the midpoint. You can find more details in the appendix.
Speaker Change: Lastly, our outlook on available cash flow is 85-90% of adjusted net income.
Speaker Change: We are committed to a balanced, consistent, and disciplined approach to capital deployment and this outlook assumes $86.7 million in average diluted shares outstanding, inclusive of anticipated share repurchases in 2025.
Speaker Change: Allegiant's M&A pipeline is active and we anticipate allocating additional capital to acquisitions this year. However, this outlook does not account for any further acquisitions beyond the recent announcements we've shared on Nextdoor Company at Lamar.
Speaker Change: One more item of interest that I'd like to cover, given the evolving headlines in recent weeks, is tariffs.
Speaker Change: Our guidance includes the currently enacted tariffs on imports from China, and at the enterprise level, we import less than 5% of our cost of goods sold from China. We're taking a combination of pricing actions and sharing those costs with our suppliers to minimize the impact.
Speaker Change: Our guidance does not include potential tariffs that may be enacted on Mexico. We source approximately 20 to 25% of cost of goods sold from Mexico primarily related to our residential business in the Americas.
Speaker Change: Should tariffs go into effect, we anticipate taking pricing actions to cover the higher costs and expect to offset the dollar impact at the operating income and earnings per share level.
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Speaker Change: In summary, Elysian delivered a record year in 2024, a year marked by consistent execution, solid margin expansion, and balanced capital deployment.
Speaker Change: We expect 2025 will be another opportunity to showcase the strength of this team.
Speaker Change: And with the consistency and discipline we have in investing for our future, a legion is primed for more growth.
With that, we'll be happy to take your questions.
Drew, we can open up the line for questions.
Drew, we can move to Q&A.
Speaker Change: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, and then 2. If you are using a handset, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. At this time, we will pause to assemble our roster.
Jeff Sprague: Our first question today will come from Jeff Sprague of Vertical Research. Please go ahead.
Jeff Sprague: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. And I guess the old adage patience, patience is a virtue still holds.
Speaker Change: I wonder if we could just address first just kind of the price cost productivity investment equation I think that's the first time that's flipped negative maybe since
Speaker Change: You've reported it. Can you give us a little color on maybe just kind of headline price cost or maybe what was going on in investment spending in the quarter to drive that change?
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Speaker Change: Hi, this is the operator. Go ahead. And would you like me to have the question and repeat the question? I can hear your line now. We've got the question. Mike Wagnes is going to go ahead and answer. Thanks for the patience, everyone. And thanks for the question, Jeff.
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Jeff Sprague: I got you loud and clear, Mike. Thanks. Perfect. Sorry about that. Um, so if you think about, um,
Pricing in the quarter.
Jeff Sprague: It did step down, like we shared in the prepared remarks, but that was a function of timing of our rebate accruals. It wasn't core pricing driven. Core pricing was still decent.
Jeff Sprague: First half loaded right and so as we got through the end of 23 We took down those rebate of reserves in 24. It was actually a positive development our volume Accelerated in the back half of the year and especially q4 you saw the volume
So we had to make some adjustments to those accruals.
Jeff Sprague: I think the key takeaway for me is pricing was still decent in the Americas, of course, led by non-residential, which was strong.
Jeff Sprague: And as we think about 2025, continue to expect to see pricing and productivity in excess of inflation and investment on a dollar basis. So that equation that you're comfortable for the full year, we expect that dynamic to continue next year.
Speaker Change: Great, thanks for that. And Jonathan, thanks for the color on the terrace, obviously on everyone's mind. I guess one other element is just the sourcing of steel.
Speaker Change: or other metals, steel and aluminum, anything you could add there on where you're sourcing for your U.S. plants and if there's any particular risk that you've identified there.
Speaker Change: Yeah, that's a good good question Jeff on on these these steel and aluminum derivative tariffs Initial look through that the impact is very small Doesn't even have two commas in it. We've still got more analysis to do on that, but I'd say
Speaker Change: Our non-residential business is largely sourced and produced in the United States, so we don't anticipate a big impact from those additional tariffs on steel and aluminum.
Okay, great. Thanks. I'll leave it there. Much appreciated. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Your next question today will come from Julian Mitchell of Barclays. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning.
Speaker Change: dynamic that you've discussed. For the full year 25, are we sort of assuming it's a few tens of basis points of margin expansion that's in the guide, and is there any kind of acceleration in there year-on-year in the back half versus the first half? Thank you.
Speaker Change: Yeah, thanks for the question, Julian. If you look at the guide, right, we give EPS all the below-the-line items.
Speaker Change: And then as you pick revenue, you can back into the margin expansion. We do expect to have margin expansion in 2025.
Speaker Change: And as you think about the framework that we gave previously, the last two years, 23-24, extremely strong, 230 basis points of margin expansion.
Speaker Change: If you think about 2025, that third year in that framework, I'd expect to be at the lower end of that framework we previously gave of the, you know, 50 to 100 basis points. And when you back into the implied guide, you can kind of calculate that.
Speaker Change: With respect to timing, I would just share 2025 will look similar to 2024 from a normal seasonality as we progress throughout the year.
That's helpful, thank you.
Speaker Change: Just within the America's Organic Sales Guidance for 2025, is it sort of embedding residential up, kind of low single digits, non-residential organic sales up, mid-single digits?
Speaker Change: And then electronics, you know, is that getting back on track for kind of decent growth in 25? I think it was down low single in 24.
Speaker Change: Yeah, we would expect non-residential to be the stronger of the two, as you would think from our prepared remarks. We don't give exact figures, resi versus non-resi, but you could think the non-residential being the stronger of the two.
Speaker Change: And then for electronics, I think we're back to a normal comparison. So you can expect to see electronics growth outpace the mechanical, like we've shown in the past. So you could see electronics growth certainly be better than the overall America's growth.
Great. Thank you. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Our next question today will come from Joe O'Day of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.
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Speaker Change: On the margin commentary and you know what's implied and you know roughly 50 bps of year-over-year margin expansion, can you just touch on that kind of across the organization?
Speaker Change: Should we think about both segments seeing year-over-year margin expansion, maybe America's leading that, and then a little bit of corporate leverage on top of that? Yeah, sure. Thanks for the question, Joe.
Speaker Change: Obviously, if you think about Allegiant, the enterprise can't get there without the Americas. So we expect the Americas to have stronger margin expansion. If you think about international though, we do expect to expand margins there this year.
Speaker Change: And then from a corporate, every year we have just like a normal increase of a few percent for regular inflation. So you could take the actuals for...
Speaker Change: The current 2024 so the past 24 and just increase it by a few percent for inflation.
Speaker Change: Got it. And then just in terms of the international growth guidance in 25, can you touch on the China component to that and what is embedded within that in terms of any headwind as it relates to the exit there and timing around being done with those actions?
Speaker Change: I'll just share like we had in the prepared remarks the revenue was only five million dollars in 24 so as you think about a headwind for 25 it kind of sizes up that it's small
Got it. Thanks very much.
Speaker Change: Our next question today will come from Tim Weiss of Baird. Please go ahead.
Hey guys, good, good morning.
Tim Weiss: Hey, maybe just on the non-res business, you know, it sounded like you, in your prepared remarks were a little bit more confident or saw some things in the quarter that, you know, you thought developed positively. So maybe just talk a little bit about some of the quoting activity that you're seeing. And I guess if you could kind of kind of thread that into, you know, how do you get to kind of the upper end of the America's Guide, you know, for 2025 on the revenue side?
Yeah, thanks for the question, Tim.
Speaker Change: I'd say the non-res side of the business in the Americas did accelerate in 2024 a bit better than we had originally contemplated.
Speaker Change: Volumes picked up a little bit like Mike talked about, and that's carried on into 2025. That momentum has carried on.
I think our SPAC activity supports that view.
Speaker Change: Other indicators like we showed on Dodd-Startz on the institutional side.
Speaker Change: The earliest of the early indicators, Dodge Momentum, has been reading a little bit favorable. So just the project work that we're seeing on the commercial side, the sell-through that our channel partners are sharing with us.
Speaker Change: The volume outlook just feels a bit better than it has in recent months. So it's a good end to 2024 and a good start to 2025 on the commercial side of the business.
Speaker Change: Okay, and I guess what would you need to see? Would it just be like this needs to continue, you know, kind of through the year to get to the upper end? I'm just trying to...
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Speaker Change: Yeah, you know, Tim, we give an outlook there. It's a range. Clearly, we're only, you know, a month into the year, right? So let's see how this year progresses.
Speaker Change: Before we think about changing to upper end, I'd share with you on the residential side.
Speaker Change: Obviously, we think that will not be as strong as the non-residential side. So obviously, if that is better than we anticipate, that could help. But overall, that core institutional part of the business has remained stable for quite some time on the non-res side, and we expect that to continue.
Okay, okay, that's helpful. And then
Speaker Change: It sounds like you have a pretty healthy, you know, pipeline, you know, in terms of M&A deals.
Speaker Change: And I guess if you just kind of look through the filings, I mean, it does seem like the M&A that you've done, you know, kind of in 2024 is accretive to margins. Is that a similar makeup to, I guess, what's in the pipeline? Or is there a little bit more variance within the margin profile of potential deals? Unknown Speaker
Speaker Change: I think, appreciate the question, Tim. I think, you know, we can't speculate on deals we haven't done yet, but I would say the M&A environment is good, it's healthy. I think we have a lot of
Speaker Change: interesting targets, very high quality targets in the pipeline today, working hard on those. Will every single one be accretive to industry-leading margin business like Allegian? Maybe not, but I think
Speaker Change: Ended 2024 happy with our progress on M&A. I could see myself ending 2025 very happy on M&A.
Speaker Change: Okay. Sounds great. Thanks a lot for the time. Thank you.
Speaker Change: And our next question today will come from Brett Lindsey of Mizzou. Please go ahead.
Good morning, thank you.
Brett Lindsey: Hey, I want to come back to the organic sales outlook, the one and a half to three and a half and really the non-res side of that. How are you thinking about
Speaker Change: Commercial vs. Institutional. Do you see growth in both those areas? And then is there anything to think about in terms of the phasing of that growth? First half or second half? Is it fairly level loaded year over year? Or is there some front end or back end waiting?
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll address the phasing and then John can talk to the vertical markets. With respect to the phasing,
Speaker Change: kind of look to 24 as a more normal year, and so I wouldn't say that this is a back-end loaded year vis-a-vis what we just put on the board for 2024.
John: I think on the non-res side, as we showed, a bit of a focus on the institutional verticals.
John: Education and Healthcare, supported by, you know, very strong issuance of muni bonds in 2024. That segment is still growing. That is where Allegiant's business is a bit more heavily weighted, so that's quite favorable for us.
John: in the commercial verticals. Still a mixed bag, I would say. Data centers, as everyone knows, is growing very rapidly. Allegiant has a very good and very rapidly growing business there, supported by rapidly growing specification activity.
on multifamily, obviously rather soft on the new construction side.
John: Commercial office, major metro areas, again, this is mature, bad news, still a bit soft.
John: But you know we're encouraged when we hear return to office mandates and things like this so there there are reasons to
Speaker Change: Okay, great. And then just to follow up on the tariffs, and this is specific to Mexico, you talked about some of the pricing mitigation actions. I'm just curious, what would the mechanics of price look like? Would these be normal list prices, or would they be surcharges, any color in the nature of that?
Speaker Change: So I think we would have to evaluate once something gets implemented Brett. I mean, it's
Speaker Change: It's difficult to speculate on the unknown and just give you some hypotheticals, so I would just summarize it with
Speaker Change: You know, we would see ourselves implementing pricing actions, there could be a mix of pricing actions to be able to offset the dollar impact on the operating income and earning per share line. I think that's, that's the best we can give you at this point. Because again, we're it's it's just hypothetical at this point.
Appreciate the detail.
Thanks.
Speaker Change: We have just one final question in queue and that question will come from Chris Snyder of Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Chris Snyder: Thank you. I wanted to ask about the Q4 tariff pull forward. I think you said mid-single digit millions for America's resi, if I heard that right. So maybe like
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Chris Snyder: One, how do you size that? You know, how can you kind of pinpoint that number? And then the second is, like, is the expectation that this tariff pre-buy continues into Q1? You know, are you seeing that here, you know, kind of halfway through the quarter? Thank you.
Chris Snyder: Thanks for the question, Chris. You know, if you think about our residential business, we grew at the high single digits and that was frankly more than you would expect based on underlying market demand.
Chris Snyder: So our best estimate is, hey, there's about, you know, mid-single-digit millions. So if you back that out, you're looking at maybe a low-to-mid-type growth for Resi. It's not precise.
Chris Snyder: It's an estimate that we have, knowing that our channel partners in the residential business tend to be pretty large companies who place larger size orders because it's more concentrated than on the non-res side.
Speaker Change: I think for me the more important thing is we didn't see this in non-residential where John talked about how we ended strong.
Speaker Change: With respect to Q1, I would expect that mid-single-digit millions to be a headwind to Res-E.
Speaker Change: But if you think about total Americas, that's not very big. So when you model it, just know that that's coming from Q1 into the fourth quarter of 24. But I wouldn't expect further, further pull ahead.
Speaker Change: Thank you. I appreciate that. And then, you know, also appreciate all the color and the communication around the institutional business.
Speaker Change: I guess anything maybe that you could flag around the government exposure within institutional. I know education and Healthcare are the largest verticals, but you know obviously You know just a lot of uncertainty out there on government, you know buildings with headlines of layoffs, etc Thank you
Speaker Change: Yeah, it's a timely question and a fair one. I would say
Speaker Change: rather than federal monies out of Washington. So, it's fair to ask the question. I would just say the majority of our end-user customers
Speaker Change: are a little bit insulated from that because it's more local funding sources, property taxes, muni bonds, things like that.
Thank you.
Speaker Change: This time we will conclude the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to John Stone, President and CEO, for any closing remarks.
John Stone: So thanks everyone again for joining the call. I am very proud of the year that the Allegiant team and our distribution channel partners put on the board for 2024 and very excited to see us navigate our way through what should be a very favorable 2025.
Thank you.
John Stone: The conference is now concluded. We thank you for attending today's presentation and you may now disconnect.
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