Full Year 2024 Viemed Healthcare Inc Earnings Call
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Trey Fitzgerald: I will now turn the conference over to our host, Trey Fitzgerald. Thank you. Thank you and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today.
Speaker Change: I will now turn the conference over to our host Trey Fitzgerald, Chief Financial Officer. Thank you you may begin.
Thank you and good morning, everyone.
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Trey Fitzgerald: The fourth quarter financial news release, including the related financial statements, are available on the SEC's website.
Speaker Change: The fourth quarter financial news release, including the related financial statements are available on the Sec's website.
Casey Hoyt: I will now turn it over to our CEO, Casey Hoyt. Okay, thank you, Trey. And good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. Before sharing some terrific performance results, I want to recognize and thank our dedicated Viemed family for their relentless efforts as we finish strong in 2024, delivering another record quarter. Our nearly 1,200 employees focus and desire to do what's best for our patients, providers, and partners is what sets us apart as more individuals choose Viemed as their in-home clinical care provider of post-acute respiratory equipment and services. Thank you team for all that you do.
I'll now turn it over to our CEO Casey White.
Casey White: Okay. Thank you Trey and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today.
Casey White: Before sharing some terrific performance results I want to recognize and thank our dedicated <unk> family for their relentless efforts as we finished strong in 2020 for delivering another record quarter.
Casey White: Our nearly 1200 employees focus and desire to do what's best for our patients providers and partners is what sets us apart as more individuals choose <unk> as their in home clinical care provider of post acute respiratory equipment and services.
Thank you team for all that you do.
Casey Hoyt: Based on the year we just completed and now another strong one we're outlining for you for 2025, I think it's worth spending a moment on the demand we're seeing within our business and why we're so confident in this outlook. provide some context on what we often refer to as a blue ocean of opportunity for business growth. There is a massively underserved patient population that needs to be treated for complex respiratory care. For COPD alone, there are an estimated 25 million patients struggling in the US with this disease. Nearly 2.5 million people are already at the last stage of the disease.
Casey White: Based on the year, we just completed and now another strong one we're outlining for you for 2025, I think it's worth spending a moment on the demand we're seeing within our business and why we're so confident in this outlook.
Casey White: To provide some context on what we often referred to as a blue ocean of opportunity for business growth.
Casey White: There is a massively underserved patient population that needs to be treated for complex respiratory care.
Casey White: COPD alone there are an estimated 25 million patients struggling in the U S. With this disease nearly $2 5 million people are already at the last stage of the disease and 1.25 billion have already reached chronic respiratory failure, requiring the life changing ventilation therapy, we provide.
Casey Hoyt: And 1.5 million have already reached chronic respiratory failure, requiring the life-changing ventilation therapy we provide. The industry's market penetration is only in the high single digits at this point, with only a handful of national players like us working hard to address these complex respiratory needs. In our sleep sector, an estimated 80 million individuals are suffering from sleep apnea and remain undiagnosed. With increased awareness and engagement happening due to the widening adoption of GLP-1 drugs, the industry is seeing a more positive correlation to patients beginning PAP therapy. Downstream, this of course leads to higher resupply rates and a longer term treatment period for these patients.
Casey White: The industry's market penetration is only in the high single digits at this point with only a handful of national players like us working hard to address these complex respiratory needs.
And our sleep sector, an estimated 80 million individuals are suffering from sleep apnea and remain on diagnosed with increased awareness and engagement happening due to the widening adoption of G. L. P. One drugs the industry is seeing a more positive correlation of patients beginning pap therapy.
Casey White: Downstream that's of course leads to higher resupply rates and a longer term treatment period for these patients.
Casey Hoyt: I don't think I have to push too hard to convince anyone on this call of the growing behavioral health crisis we're facing in this country. rates of clinical anxiety and depression are at an all-time high. In our business, over half of the patients who are in complex respiratory care struggle with symptoms of anxiety and depression. In many cases, they are being readmitted to the hospitals for respiratory issues, but due to behavioral health challenges. In response, we've set up a behavioral health offering providing licensed clinical social workers that go out into the field or can get on a telehealth visit to work in tandem with our respiratory therapists, controlling costs and improving outcomes.
Casey White: I don't think I have to push too hard to convince anyone on this call of the growing behavioral health crisis, we're facing in this country.
Casey White: Rates of clinical anxiety and depression are at an all time high and.
Casey White: In our business over half of the patients who are in complex respiratory care struggled with symptoms of anxiety and depression in many cases, they are being readmitted to the hospitals for respiratory issues, but due to their behavioral health challenges.
Casey White: In response, we've setup, a behavioral health offerings, providing licensed clinical social workers that go out into the field are going to get on a telehealth visit to work in tandem with our respiratory therapist controlling costs and improving outcomes.
Casey Hoyt: We are also seeing behavioral health opportunity blossom inside of our staffing division as we have sourced a significant amount of personnel to fulfill mental health needs by state agencies around the country.
Casey White: We're also seeing the behavioral health opportunity blossom inside of our staffing division as we have sourced a significant amount of personnel to fulfill mental health needs by states state agencies around the country.
Casey Hoyt: In addition to these multiple sustainable demand drivers, I would layer on the ever-increasing trend of providing more clinical care in the home. With our high-touch, technology-enabled clinical approach, our respiratory therapists have earned a trusted place in the home. Patients want to be treated in the comfort and safety of their home or place of residence. Hospitals and health systems want to better manage their length of stay. And payers recognize the overall total cost of care is lower in the home versus an institutional setting. We have become such a vital link between patient providers and payers in this setting for increasing patient satisfaction, improving compliance, and reducing hospitalization.
Casey White: In addition to these multiple sustainable demand drivers.
Casey White: Would layer on the ever increasing trend to providing more clinical care in the home.
Casey White: With our high touch technology enabled clinical approach a respiratory therapists have earned a trusted place in the home patients.
Casey White: Patients want to be treated in the comfort and safety of their home or place of residence hospitals and health systems want to better manage their length of stay.
Casey White: And payers recognize the overall total cost of care is lower than the home versus an institutional setting.
Casey White: We have become such a vital link between patients providers and payers in this setting for increasing patient satisfaction, improving compliance and reducing hospitalizations.
Casey Hoyt: We are considered more of an in-home clinical provider than an HME provider. That's a significant, purposeful change we have been seeking, reflecting our commitment to delivering comprehensive, patient-centered care. We think we are helping steer the industry to meet evolving needs and remain a leader in complete patient care.
Casey White: We are considered more of an in home clinical provider than an H M provider.
Casey White: That's a significant purposeful change we have been seeking reflecting our commitment to delivering comprehensive patient centered care.
Casey White: We think we are helping steer we think we were helping steer the industry to meet evolving needs and remain a leader in complete patient care.
Casey Hoyt: Pressure we're all seeing placed on Medicaid and Medicare programs highlights where we are. where we can continue to win. We can better manage length of stay for the hospitals through helping them create efficiencies, improve outcomes, and increase patient satisfaction. Hospitals are under financial strain and increasing demands to optimize due to rate and financial performance pressures. We are here to help them. by offering our resources and services to help patients appropriately transition to the home.
Casey White: Pressure, we're all seeing placed on Medicaid and Medicare programs highlights where we are.
Casey White: Where we can continue to win.
Casey White: We can better manage length of stay for the hospitals through helping them create efficiencies improve outcomes and increase patient satisfaction.
Casey White: Hospitals are under financial strain and increasing demands to optimize due to rate and financial performance pressures. We are here to help them succeed by offering our resources and services to help patients appropriately transition to the home.
Casey Hoyt: We don't yet know the impact the new administration will have in 2025, but there are a few things to keep in mind. When there's pressure to create efficiencies in healthcare, that plays into our capabilities. When there is transparency, overhauls, and more rules to reduce waste, that is also very good for us. Also, when more care is being delivered in the home, that continues to position us for success.
Casey White: We don't yet know the impact the new administration will have in 2025, but there are a few things to keep in mind.
Casey White: When there's pressure to create efficiencies in health care that plays into our capabilities. When there is transparency overhauls and more rules to reduce waste that is also very good for us.
Casey White: Also when more care is being delivered in the home that continues to position us for success.
Casey Hoyt: With that backdrop of demand and our capabilities, I think you can now understand why we are seeing the growth in each business segment during 2024. It also underlines the confident and positive outlook we have for 2025. I'll come back to that in a moment.
Casey White: With that backdrop of demand and our capabilities I think you can now understand why we're seeing the growth in each business segment. During 2024. It also underlines the confident and positive outlook, we have for 2025.
Casey White: I'll come back to that in a moment, let me first turn to some brief updates on the business.
Casey Hoyt: Let me first turn to some brief updates on the business.
Casey Hoyt: Our vent business has been a strong performer all year and it didn't disappoint in Q4. Vent revenue was up 4.4% sequentially on a larger base, while the number of VIP patients increased by over 400 for three quarters in a row in 2024. We had 1,500 net vent ads in 2024, which is close to an all-time high and nearly 50% more than we added in 2023. We're seeing greater penetration of that massively underserved market as a direct result of the operational overhaul we completed earlier in the year. The sales restructuring and recruiting strategies and processes we put in place have seen a 14% increase in average monthly setups per sales rep in Q4.
Casey White: Our event business has been a strong performer all year and it didn't disappoint in Q4.
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Casey White: We had 1500 net adds in 2024, which is close to an all time high and nearly 50% more than we added in 2023.
Casey White: Yeah.
Casey White: We're seeing greater penetration of that massively underserved market as a direct result of the operational overhaul we completed earlier in the year.
Casey White: The sales restructuring and recruiting strategies and processes, we put in place have seen a 14% increase in average monthly average.
Casey White: Average monthly setups for sales ramp in Q4.
Casey Hoyt: We monitor this metric very closely internally, and the upward trend since implementation has given us the confidence to double down on staying the course by aggressively increasing the sales force in 2025. In our sleep business, we saw a nearly 10% sequential increase in sleep therapy patients, leading to a 43% increase in 2024 compared to 2023. We're seeing that sequential growth in CPAP units, resupply orders, and home sleep tests as well.
Casey White: We monitor this metric very closely internally and the upward trends since implementation has given us the confidence to double down on staying the course by aggressively increasing the sales force in 2025.
Casey White: In our sleep business, we saw a nearly 10% sequential increase in sleep therapy patients leading to a 43% increase in 2024 compared to 2023.
Casey White: We're seeing that sequential growth and CPAP units resupply orders and home sleep test as well.
Casey Hoyt: As strong as our organic growth engine is, we're looking at additional opportunities that will expand our product, services, and our reach to diversified patient types. We built up a number of contracts over the years and believe that we can leverage that payer infrastructure with some diversification. The trust we've earned in the home of existing patients is also something we can leverage throughout the country. We've hit on all cylinders this year and delivered on our strategic goals. I'm proud of the team with the record revenue, performance, and growth in operational metrics. We're not satisfied though, there are more patients we can serve and more hospitals and health systems that need it.
Casey White: As strong as our organic growth engine is we're looking at additional opportunities that will expand our products services and our reach to diversified patient pay patient types.
Casey White: We built up a number of contracts over the years and believe that we can leverage that payer infrastructure with some diversification.
Casey White: Trust, we've earned and the home of existing patients is also something we can leverage throughout the country.
Casey White: We've hit on all cylinders this year and delivered on our strategic goals.
Casey White: Proud of the team with a record revenue performance and growth and operational metrics.
Casey White: Not satisfied that there are more patients, we can serve and more hospitals and health systems that need us for 2025, we are leaning into what what worked well through 2024 with a laser focus on organic growth and a complementary focus on potential inorganic growth. We're actively ramping up the sales force at a more aggressive pace and.
Casey Hoyt: For 2025, we are leaning into what worked well through 2024 with a laser focus on organic growth and a complementary focus on potential inorganic growth. We are actively ramping up the sales force at a more aggressive pace and expecting continued growth in VINs, sleep, and in staffing as we capitalize on its unique positioning in behavioral health.
Casey White: Expected continued growth Vince sleep and in staffing as we capitalize on its unique positioning and behavioral health.
Todd Zehnder: For more on our operational and financial results for the quarter, I'll turn it over to Todd Zehnder, our Chief Operating Officer. Todd. All right. Thank you, Casey. In reviewing the financial results, all figures are in U.S. dollars, and the full results have been made on the SEC website. We have continued to incrementally evolve our disclosures to the investment community, and I'd like to point out the earnings supplemental debt we provided together with our earnings relief. There are some new disclosures and schedules in this document, as well as others we've added from our filings, that are now putting in one place for ease of use.
For more on our operational and financial results for the quarter I'll turn it over to Todd Zehnder, Our Chief operating Officer Todd.
Todd Zehnder: Thank you Casey and reviewing the financial results all figures are in U S dollars and the full results had been made on the SEC Web site. We have continued to incrementally evolve our disclosures to the investment community and I'd like to point out the earnings supplemental deck, we provided together with our earnings release, there are some new disclosures and schedules.
Todd Zehnder: This document as well as others. We've added from our filings that are now putting in one place for ease of use you.
Todd Zehnder: You can find this report on our IR site, and we encourage any ongoing feedback that you might have.
Todd Zehnder: You can find this report on our IR site and we encourage any ongoing feedback that you might have.
Todd Zehnder: Let's talk about revenue first. We are recognized for the organic revenue engine that we've built at Viemed, and it led the way once again in Q4. We set a couple of records for revenue this quarter and full year 2024, with a 20% increase year-over-year for the quarter and a 23% increase for the year. These results were at the high end of our expectations. During 2024, acquired revenue accounted for only $1.1 million in Q4 and $3.2 million for the year. On a sequential basis, our revenue grew 4.6%. As Casey just noted, we had a very strong year with our core event.
Todd Zehnder: Let's talk about revenue first we are recognized for the organic revenue engine that we've built by med and it led the way once again in Q4, we said a couple of records for revenue this quarter and full year 2024, with a 20% increase year over year for the quarter and a 23% increase for the year. These rig.
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Todd Zehnder: During 2024 acquired revenue accounted for only $1 1 million in Q4, and $3 2 million for the year.
Todd Zehnder: On a sequential basis, our revenue grew four 6%.
Speaker Change: As Casey just noted we had a very strong year with our core event business. It accounted for 55% of revenue for this quarter and 56% for the year.
Todd Zehnder: It accounted for 55% of revenue for this quarter and 56% for the year. The sleep business increased to 17% of revenues for Q4 and 16% for the year. It's worth noting here that sleep historically experiences a disproportionate amount of seasonality in Q4, which has an impact of revenues but also margins. Our oxygen and staffing businesses continue to grow as well, each contributing roughly 10% of both this quarter's revenue and for the full year. We are also making incremental improvements with the East Alabama Medical JV. Gross margin was 59.5% for the quarter and 59.4% for the year, aligning closely with our target of approximately 60% based on our evolving product and service.
Speaker Change: The sleep business increased to 17% of revenues for Q4 and 16% for the year.
It's worth noting here that sleep historically experiences a disproportionate amount of seasonality in Q4, which has an impact of revenues, but also margin.
Speaker Change: Our oxygen and staffing businesses continue to grow as well each contributing roughly 10% of both this quarters revenue and for the full year.
Speaker Change: We are also making incremental improvements with the east Alabama Mehdi.
Speaker Change: Medical JV.
Speaker Change: Gross margin was 59, 5% for the quarter and 59, 4% for the year.
Speaker Change: Aligning closely with our target of approximately 60% based on our evolving product and serve it smacks.
Todd Zehnder: We believe this remains a strong benchmark, particularly as the rapid growth of our sleep and staffing businesses introduces variations in gross, net, and adjusted EBITDA margins. Given these dynamics, year-over-year comparisons may not fully capture the underlying strength and profitability of our business.
Speaker Change: We believe this remains a strong benchmark, particularly as the rapid growth of our sleep and staffing businesses introduces variations in gross net and adjusted EBITDA margins.
Speaker Change: Given these dynamics year over year comparisons may not fully capture the underlying strength and profitability of our business.
Todd Zehnder: The one business I'd like to discuss further is staffing. Casey covered the strategic nature, but staffing's financial contribution is just as important. The nature of this business and its core customers drives more variability from quarter to quarter on the top line. It also has less gross margin contribution, but a substantial positive impact to adjusted EBITDA, and most importantly, free cash flow. We're thrilled to report that Adjusted EBITDA grew 11% for the quarter to $14.2 million and 19% for the full year to $51.1 million, driven by strong organic growth and contributions from each of our businesses.
Speaker Change: The one business I'd like to discuss further our staffing Casey covered the strategic nature, but staffing financial contribution is just as important.
Speaker Change: The nature of this business and its core customers drives more variability from quarter to quarter on the top line.
Speaker Change: It also has less gross margin contribution, but a substantial positive E back impact to adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker Change: And most importantly free cash flow.
Speaker Change: We're thrilled to report that adjusted EBITDA grew 11% for the quarter to $14 2 million and 19% for the full year to $51 1 million driven by strong organic growth and contributions from each of our businesses.
Todd Zehnder: As expected, adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was 23.5%, while the full year margin came in at 22.8%. Both percentages declined year over year and sequentially, primarily due to shifts in our product and service mix, reflecting the evolving composition of our group. We're proud of what we've accomplished with our SG&A, as investments in new sales talent, technology in the home, together with operational and process improvements, have generated efficiencies as we've scaled the business. SG&A was flat sequentially in Q4 at 46% of revenue and down from 47% a year ago. For the year, SG&A was 47%, nearly a 60 basis point improvement from 2023.
Speaker Change: As expected adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was 23, 5%, while the full year margin came in at 22, 8%.
Speaker Change: Both percentages declined year over year and sequentially, primarily due to shifts in our product and service mix, reflecting the evolving composition of our growth.
Speaker Change: We're proud of what we've accomplished with our SG&A as investments in new sales talent technology in the home together with operational and process improvements have generated efficiencies as we scaled the business.
Speaker Change: SG&A was flat sequentially in Q4 at 46% of revenue and down from 47% a year ago.
Speaker Change: For the year SG&A was 47% nearly a 60 base improvement 60 basis point improvement from 2023.
Todd Zehnder: Turn to CapEx. I want to make sure I properly frame to you what's driving our gross CapEx. As we've talked about for some time, we are accelerating our VIN exchange with the Philips program. But we are also seeing tremendous growth in our vent patients. Casey noted that we had close to 1,500 net ads in events this year. This growth, and the timing of the acceleration to complete the purchase for the return program late in the year, resulted in gross capex of $13.6 million for Q4. All setting these purchases was approximately $2.9 million of related sales and exchange proceeds.
Speaker Change: Turning to Capex I want to make sure I properly frame to you what's driving our gross capex.
Speaker Change: As we've talked about for some time, we are accelerating our Vin exchange with the Philips program.
Speaker Change: But we're also seeing tremendous growth in our vent patients.
Casey White: Casey noted that we had close to 1500 net adds and Vince this year.
This growth and the timing of the acceleration to complete the purchase for the return program late in the year, resulting in gross capex of $13 6 million for Q4.
Casey White: Offsetting these purchases was approximately $2 9 million of related sales in exchange proceeds putting our net cash capex for Q4 at approximately $8 9 million.
Todd Zehnder: putting our net cash CapEx for Q4 at approximately $8.9 million. For the year, our gross capex was $37.8 million, with net capex of $27.5 million. We'll continue to sell back a significant number of events during 2025, but it's difficult to project the total amount as that's determined by the remediation process established by Philips and the related governmental agencies.
Casey White: For the year, our gross Capex was $37 8 million with net capex of $27 5 million.
Casey White: We will continue to sell back a significant number of events during 2025, but it's difficult to project. The total amount as that's determined by the remediation process established by Philips and the related governmental agencies.
Todd Zehnder: 2025 Outlook, I'll cover in a moment, provides some rough estimation of how we see these purchases playing out in the coming years. We once again funded our CapEx out of discretionary cash flow and continue to manage the business in order to drop free cash flow onto the balance. Our percentage of net capex adjusted EBITDA was at 63% in Q4, compared with 36% in Q3, and 58% a year ago.
Casey White: 2025 outlook I'll cover in a moment provide some rough estimation of how we see these purchases is playing out in the coming year.
Casey White: We once again funded our capex out of discretionary cash flow and continue to manage the business in order to drop free cash flow on to the balance sheet.
Casey White: Our percentage of net Capex, our adjusted EBITDA was at 63% in Q4, compared with 36% in Q3, and 58% a year ago.
Todd Zehnder: Free cash flow was $11.6 million in 2024, or 5.2% of revenue, compared with $21.7 million, or 11.9% of revenue in 2023, which is an achievement considering how much we grew the company this year while paying down debt and funding the VIN exchange. In Q4, we recorded a gain of $1.1 million that was primarily driven by the Trilogy Return Program. These gains are expected to continue until the project is completed, likely sometime around the middle of this year.
Casey White: Free cash flow was $11 6 million in 2024, or five 2% of revenue compared with $21 7 million or 11, 9% of revenue in 2023, which is an achievement considering how much we grew the company this year, while paying down debt and funding the vendor exchanges.
Casey White: In Q4, we recorded a gain of $1 1 million that was primarily driven by the trilogy return program.
Casey White: These gains are expected to continue until the project is completed.
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Todd Zehnder: We have a pristine balance sheet with $55 million available on our credit facilities, a $30 million accordion if needed, $17.5 million of cash on hand at year-end, and a working capital balance of $15.6 million. We occupy a rare space in the broader healthcare services market with no net debt and an organic revenue engine that is essentially self-funded.
Casey White: We have a pristine balance sheet with $55 million available on our credit facilities of $30 million accordion, if needed $17 5 million of cash on hand at year end and a working capital balance of $15 6 million.
We occupy a rare space and the broader health care services market with no net debt and an organic revenue engine that is essentially self funding.
Todd Zehnder: We have a significant amount of dry powder to continue our vent fleet upgrade and potentially become more proactive on M&A that can complement this growth.
Casey White: We have a significant amount of dry powder to continue our vent fleet upgrade and potentially become more proactive on M&A that can complement this growth.
Todd Zehnder: I'd like to close by highlighting an important new disclosure for this quarter, the introduction of our outlook for full year 2025. We are projecting net revenue to be in the range of $254 million to $265 million for the full year, which would imply 16 percent growth over 2024 at the mid-period. Adjusted EBITDA is projected to be in a range of $54-58 million, which would imply 10% growth over 2024.
Casey White: I'd like to close by highlighting an important new disclosure for this quarter the introduction of our outlook for full year 2025.
Casey White: We are projecting net revenue to be in the range of $254 million to $265 million for the full year, which would imply 16% growth over 2024 at the midpoint.
Casey White: Adjusted EBITDA is projected to be in a range of $54 million to $58 million, which would imply a 10% growth over 2024.
Todd Zehnder: As this is our first time providing a full year outlook, we approach this process in a very disciplined fashion and certainly don't take this decision lightly. There are some high-level directional comments I'd like to make that should get ahead of the inevitable questions around our range. For future reference, these can be found in our quarterly supplement as well. First, I would note that year-over-year growth in each quarter is expected to be roughly consistent with the increases we experienced in 2024. Recall that typically, we have Q1 that is flat to down sequentially when compared with Q4 due to lower utilizations as we get patients off of hold and through the insurance change season.
Casey White: As this is our first time, providing a full year outlook. We approached this process in a very disciplined fashion and certainly don't take this decision lightly.
Casey White: There are some high level directional comments I'd like to make that should get ahead of the inevitable questions around our ranges for future reference. These can be found in our quarterly supplement as well.
Casey White: First I would note that year over year growth in each quarter is expected to be roughly consistent with the increases we experienced in 2024.
Casey White: Recall that typically we have Q1 that is flat to down sequentially when compared with Q4 due to lower utilizations as we get patients off of hold and through the insurance change season.
Todd Zehnder: We would also typically see sequential revenue growth in Q2 through Q4. In our ranges, we built in an assumption of 3-6% revenue growth for these quarters. The adjusted EBITDA ranges for the year assume an adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 21 to 23%. CapEx in the first half of 2025 is expected to be similar to what we experienced in the second half of 2024 as we continue to swap out our ventilator.
Casey White: We would also typically see sequential revenue growth in Q2 through Q4.
Casey White: Our ranges, we built in an assumption of 3% to 6% revenue growth for these quarters.
Casey White: The adjusted EBITDA ranges for the year assume an adjusted EBITA margin in the range of 21% to 23%.
Casey White: Capex in the first half of 2025 is expected to be similar what we experienced in the second half of 2024 as we continue to swap out our ventilator fleet.
Todd Zehnder: Second half of 2025 would then be more All of these assumptions are based on status quo of the business with no potential M&A activity. We spoke last quarter about wanting to maintain the momentum we've built all year in each business and finish the year strong. In a year where we've grown revenues as much as we have, we were able to fund our organic growth, expand margin, and generate strong free cash flow while improving the balance. We also reported positive net income for the eighth year in a row.
Casey White: Half of 2025 would then be more muted.
Casey White: All of these assumptions are based on status quo of the business with no potential M&A activity assumed.
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Casey White: We spoke last quarter about wanting to maintain the momentum we built all year in each business and finished the year strong.
Casey White: In a year, where we've grown revenues as much as we have we were able to fund organic growth expand margins and generate strong free cash flow, while improving the balance sheet.
Casey White: We also reported positive net income for the eighth year in a row.
Todd Zehnder: quite a finish to the With this and the outlook for 2025, I hope you see the confidence and enthusiasm we have around the state of Auburn.
Casey White: Quite a finish to the year.
Casey White: With this in the outlook for 2025, I Hope you see the confidence and enthusiasm we have around the state of our business. Thank.
Todd Zehnder: Thank you for joining us today.
Casey White: Thank you for joining US today. This concludes our prepared remarks, we will now open the floor up to further questions.
Operator: This concludes our prepared remarks. We will now open the floor up to further questions. and at this time we'll conduct our Q&A. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1. confrontation tone will indicate Star 2 to remove yourself. Don't forget to ask a question. Star 1 on your telephone keypad.
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Casey White: He pad, we'll pause for a moment, while we poll for questions.
Brooks O'Neill: And our first question comes from Brooks O'Neill with Lake Street Capital Thank you. Good morning, guys. Congratulations on the strong finish to the year. I have a few questions, I guess. Casey mentioned that it was too early to speculate on what changes might be coming from the new Trump administration, but I'm curious if you anticipate any impact at all on your business from the kind of tariffs that are being suggested. I know it's a bit of a moving target, but do you see any impact right now?
Casey White: And our first question comes from Brooks O'neil with Lake Street Capital markets. Please state your question.
Brooks O'neil: Thank you good morning, guys. Congratulations on the strong finish to the year.
Brooks O'neil: I have a few questions I guess Uh huh.
Speaker Change: Casey you mentioned that it was too early to speculate on what changes might be coming from the new Trump administration, but I'm curious if you anticipate any impact at all on your business from <unk>.
Speaker Change: What kind of tariffs that are being suggested I know, it's a bit of a moving target, but do you see any impact right now.
Todd Zehnder: This is Todd. We haven't seen anything to date yet, Brooks. I mean, it's hard for us to say what parts of certain manufacturers could have some sort of tariff. Most of the products we have, I think, are coming domestically, but if there are, you know, if there are parts that they get taxed on and if they want to try to pass on things, that could come, but we have not heard anything from any of our major suppliers yet. And I'll just add that anecdotally, you're seeing the – or you're feeling the pressure at the hospital level.
Todd Zehnder: This is Todd we haven't seen anything to date, yet Brooks I mean, its hard for us to say what parts of certain manufacturers could have some sort of tariff most of the products. We have I think are coming domestically, but if there are.
If there are.
Todd Zehnder: Parts that they get taxed on and if they want to try to pass on things that could come but we have not heard anything from any of our major suppliers, yet and I'll just add that anecdotally you're seeing.
Speaker Change: Are you feeling the pressure at the hospital level. They are kind of worried about what's going to happen to some of these Medicaid programs and end up.
Todd Zehnder: You know, they're kind of worried about what's going to happen to some of these Medicaid programs and their payers of sorts. And so they're actively tightening screws down. That usually plays in our hand, Brooks. They need to efficiently discharge these folks and lean on us for all the help that they can possibly get. So we're feeling that right now, and we're seeing them kind of reach out to us and our folks and having more thoughtful and collaborative conversations. Those have already begun as a result of what could happen, even though they don't even know what the cuts are going to be, if there are any at all.
Speaker Change: And their payers of sorts and so they're actively tightening screws down that usually plays in our hand Brooks.
Speaker Change: Uh-huh efficiently discharge these folks and lean on us for all the help that they can possibly get so so we're feeling that right now we're seeing them kind of reach out to us and our folks and having more thoughtful and collaborative conversations those have already begun as a result of what could happen, even though they don't even know what.
The cuts are going to be if there are if there are any at all.
Todd Zehnder: Yeah, it's an interesting environment, for sure. And I'm guessing you're not hearing any even Tom Toms about competitive bidding out there right now. No, haven't heard a whisper about competitive bidding at all, so we're still in the same status quo. It's hard to see that it's going to be a... I guess, you know, it would be almost impossible for it to be a 2026 event at this point in time. So, you know, 2027 and beyond from the time that we hear the first whispers, I guess, is the ballpark range that I would.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: An interesting environment for sure.
Speaker Change: I'm guessing you're not hearing any even at times about competitive bidding out there right now.
Speaker Change: No I haven't heard a whisper about competitive bidding at all so we're still in the same status quo, it's hard to see that.
Speaker Change: It's going to be a.
Speaker Change: I guess it would be almost impossible for it to be at 2026 event at this point in time, So you know.
Speaker Change: 2027, and beyond from the time that we hear the first western is I guess, a ballpark range that I would you know.
Todd Zehnder: though at you right now.
Speaker Change: So at you right now and just as a reminder, you remember the last time that it went through.
Todd Zehnder: And just as a reminder, you remember the last time that it went through, Medicare pulled the program because there were no cost savings, and that was pre the inflationary period that we've been through the last, I guess, five years.
Speaker Change: Medicare pulled the program because there were no cost savings and that was pre the inflationary period that we've been through the last I guess five years.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Todd Zehnder: Oh, let me ask one more and then I'll turn it over. Obviously, there's some uncertainty of whether we're in a good M&A environment or a bad M&A environment. Nobody seems to know. I kind of thought it would get better as a result of the administration change, but I'm seeing some indications, you know, that the current people may think somewhat similar to the last people. So, would you say when you look out there, I know M&As, you know, only a small component of your growth plans and organic growth has been the driver, but would you say to you guys it looks like a target-rich environment, a fertile environment for potential M&A, or would you say you're feeling it remains somewhat constrained as it was during the Biden year?
Speaker Change: Well, let me ask one more and then I'll turn it over.
Speaker Change: Obviously, there is some uncertainty of whether we're in a good M&A environment or a bad M&A environment, Nobody seems to know I kind of thought it would get better as a result of the administration change, but I've seen some.
Speaker Change: Some indications.
Speaker Change: The current people may think somewhat similar to the last people. So would you say when you look out there no M&A is.
Speaker Change: Only a small component of your growth plans and organic growth.
Speaker Change: Then the driver, but would you say to you guys. It looks like a hawk.
Speaker Change: Rich environment, a fertile environment for potential M&A or would you say.
Speaker Change: You're feeling it remained somewhat constrained as it was during the biden years.
Todd Zehnder: I would say it's more target-rich and fertile than definitely the Biden years. We're having a lot more interest, activity, the pipeline is building, there's many more conversations, and we have many more options on the table for us to consider. That's a positive thing for Viemed, you know how picky we are in bringing folks into the fold of this culture and our business, and we've got more interest from the right types of targets than we have in the past, and so I'm optimistic that that could possibly be of the change in the guard, but nevertheless, something's different than how quiet it was for the past two years, if you will.
Speaker Change: I would say, it's more target rich and fertile then definitely the biden years, we're having a lot more interest activity. The pipeline is building there is theres many more conversations and we have many more options on the table for us to consider.
Speaker Change: That's a positive thing for <unk>, you know, how picky, we are and bringing folks into the fold of this culture and in our business and we've got more interest from the right types of targets than we have in the past and so.
Speaker Change: I'm optimistic that that could possibly be.
Speaker Change: The change in the guard, but but nevertheless, something is different than the how quiet it was for the past two years, if you will.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Brooks O'Neill: Great. Let me just say quickly, we really appreciate the annual guidance. That's going to help us a lot, and we look forward to another great year. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, bro. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Let me just say quickly.
Speaker Change: Really appreciate the annual guidance and that's going to help us a lot and we look forward to another great year.
Speaker Change: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you Brooks.
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Speaker Change: And we have another question.
Andrew Rem: We have another question, we have, coming from Andrew Rem with Odinson Partners. Hey guys. I just had one question on, you guys mentioned the JV.
We have coming from Andrew <unk> with <unk> partners. Please state your question.
Speaker Change: Hey, guys.
Speaker Change: I just had one question.
Speaker Change: You guys mentioned the JV can you just comment on that how it's gone over the past year and any update updated thoughts.
Todd Zehnder: Can you just comment on that, how it's gone over the past year, and any update, updated thoughts? Yeah, the JV's going well. We've had a successful integration and great partnership with East Alabama Medical Center. It was a small test pilot. It has taken, here's the thing that we're looking at to be perfectly candid. You know, it's taken a lot of time for this type of integration, such a small transaction. So that's led us down the path of, if we're going to do this, do another one. It needs to be a substantial size that it's kind of worth the time and effort it takes.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: JV has gone well.
Speaker Change: <unk> had a successful integration and great partnership with East, Alabama Medical Center. It was a it was a small test pilot. It has taken here's the things that we're looking at to be perfectly candid. It's taken a lot of time for this type of integration is such a small transaction.
Speaker Change: So that's led us down the path of if we're going to do this do it another one it needs to be of substantial size that.
Speaker Change: It's kind of worth the time and effort. It takes we were kind of weighing the.
Todd Zehnder: You know, we're kind of weighing the way that we can get business from the complex respiratory. you know, organic offering, if you will, of us just going out and building our relationships on our own versus the opportunity that we create inside of being a part of their cause, you know. And so that's what's going down.
Speaker Change: The.
Speaker Change: The way that we can get business from the complex respiratory.
Speaker Change: Organic offering if you will of us just going out and building our relationships on our own versus the opportunity that we create inside of being a part of their their their cost and so.
Speaker Change: Thats whats going down there when you get into looking at larger joint venture targets that then east, Alabama medical centers. There. The inventory is not as vast but there are a handful out there that we're having conversations with them and we'll just see whether or not it comes to fruition or not.
Todd Zehnder: When you get into looking at larger joint venture targets than East Alabama Medical Center, the inventory is not as vast, but there are a handful out there that we're having conversations with, and we'll just see whether or not it comes to fruition or not. Yeah, and I guess I would add, Andrew, that it is profitable. It's been profitable out of the gate. And you can actually see that on our P&L. So it's been it's been a good, accretive deal for us from a financial perspective. And it was a great one to have as our first one.
Speaker Change: Yes, I guess I would add Andrew that it is profitable it's been profitable out of the gate and you can actually see that on our P&L. So it's been it's been a good accretive deal for us from a financial perspective, and it was a great one to have as our first one and then I Echo what J D says, if we're going to do another one we'd rather make the juice.
Todd Zehnder: And then I echo what Casey says.
Todd Zehnder: If we're going to do another one, we'd rather make, you know, the juice worth the squeeze.
Speaker Change: It's worth the squeeze.
Todd Zehnder: Okay, and then on your commentary relating to behavioral health, so it sounds like you're doing some staffing business, but we're also suggesting you're looking at doing behavioral health services through would it be like the sleep business or the vent business or both? Yeah, so let me back up.
Speaker Change: Okay and then on.
Speaker Change: In your commentary relating to behavioral health, so it sounds like Youre doing some staffing.
Speaker Change: Business, but you're also suggesting you're looking at doing.
Speaker Change: Behavioral health services through would it be the sleep business or the <unk>.
Speaker Change: Or both.
Speaker Change: Yes, So let me back up I'll start with our entry into behavioral health I guess it was around 2021.
Todd Zehnder: I'll start with our entry into behavioral health. You know, I guess it was around 2021, when we, or maybe before that, when we cranked up BiMed clinical services, we were putting licensed clinical social workers on top of our respiratory therapists. And that was by design to handle things that went beyond respiratory. In late 2021, we started a staffing division. That staffing division was primarily providing clinical labor for the clinical, the nursing shortage around the country for our hospital partners. And so, as we started to see some of those needs stabilize and normalize after post-COVID, our staffing division started getting a little bit more scrappy, if you will.
Speaker Change: We are maybe before that when we cranked up by Med clinical services, we were putting licensed clinical social workers on top of our respiratory therapists and that was by design to handle things that went beyond respiratory in late 2021, we started our staffing division that staffing division was primarily providing.
Speaker Change: Clinical labor for the clinical the nursing shortage around the country for our hospital partners and so as we as you start starting to see some of those needs stabilize and normalize after post COVID-19, our staffing division started getting a little bit more scrapping if you will and Andy.
Todd Zehnder: And they were, you know, serving the needs of all sorts of clinical labor throughout the country. And what they uncovered is that, you know, there were lots of needs and RFPs throughout the country with different states that are requesting behavioral health types of services. And so, with our knowledge of VCS, our knowledge of staffing, and our ability to go out and pursue those types of RFPs, we've gotten really good at it. And it's something worth acknowledging right now, because as staffing becomes a more material part of our business, it's important for everyone to understand that, shoot, close to 80% of it is being driven by behavioral health needs around the country.
Speaker Change: We are surfing the needs of all sorts of clinical labor throughout the country and what they uncovered is that you know there are lots of needs in rfps throughout the country with different states that are requesting behavioral health types of services and so with our knowledge of Vcs are knowledge of.
Speaker Change: Staffing and our ability to go out and pursue those types of Rfps, we've gotten really good at it and it's something worth acknowledging right now because as staffing becomes a more material part of our business. It's important for everyone to understand that shoot close to 80% of it is being <unk>.
Speaker Change: Given by behavioral health needs around the country and so.
Todd Zehnder: And so, we'll be nimble in that space, and we'll look for many more opportunities. It's certainly a complement to our organic offering as well from a behavioral health standpoint, but it's also somewhat of these one-off wins here and there throughout the country through our staffing division.
Speaker Change: We will be nimble in that space and we will look for many more opportunities that certainly a complement to our organic offering as well with from a behavioral health standpoint, but it's also.
Speaker Change: Some of them somewhat these one off wins here and there throughout the country with through our staffing division.
Todd Zehnder: Okay, and then if I can ask one more just related to kind of cash flow, a year ago you guys had talked about the opportunity to cash flow to kind of accelerate, and then you're kind of hit by the change health situation. I think that took maybe longer than expected to kind of work through that, and then I think it also seems like your CapEx got accelerated, but maybe just go back and revisit that comment. Are you still thinking that maybe the CapEx situation aside, that the business is now to the point where you should experience cash flow acceleration?
Speaker Change: Okay, and then if I can ask one more just related to kind of cash flow a year ago, you guys had talked about.
Speaker Change: Opportunity to cash flow decline to accelerate.
Speaker Change: And then you kind of hit by the change health situation, I think thats, maybe longer than expected to kind of work through that and then I think it also seems like your capex.
Speaker Change: Got it accelerated but.
Speaker Change: Maybe just go back and revisit that comment are you still thinking that.
Speaker Change: Maybe the Capex situation aside.
Speaker Change: The business is now to the point, where you should experience.
Speaker Change: Cash flow acceleration.
Todd Zehnder: Yeah, I'll take that one. The answer is yes. But I caveat that in the case where we doubled our vent growth this year. So obviously the faster we grow, the more we need CapEx, and we would always rather spend money on growing organic patient-based than anything. So in the event that growth stays somewhat similar year over year, the cash flow should expand. This year, while change maybe has a minor impact on us, if you look at 23 versus 24, in 24, I think we paid $3 or $4 million more in cash taxes, and we had about $3 million that was related to the Philips receivable that we got during 2025 that's going to impact that number.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I'll take that one the answer is yes.
Speaker Change: But I I caveat that in the case, where we doubled our vent growth. This year. So obviously the faster we grow the more we need capex and we would always rather spend money on growing our organic patient based on anything so in the event that growth stays somewhat similar year over year, the cash flow should expand this.
This year, while change may be has a minor impact on us. If you look at 'twenty three versus 24% and 24, I think we paid three or $4 million more in cash taxes, and we had about $3 million that was related to the Philips receivable that we got during 2025, that's going to impact that number. So if you just kind of.
Todd Zehnder: So if you just kind of look at apples to apples, we probably are hit by about a $6 million change in true cash, and the growth rate just expanded. So all things being equal, we continue to think that our free cash flow is going to especially as staffing grows, especially as the resupply business grows. While those, you know, we kind of beat it up during our prepared remarks, while those carry a lower growth and EBITDA margin, they drop cash to the bottom line. And so that is all things pointing to additional free cash flow for us in the future.
Speaker Change: Look at apples to apples, we'd probably are hit by about a $6 million change in true cash and the growth rate just expand it so.
All things being equal we continue to think that our free cash flow is going to increase, especially as staffing growth, especially as the resupply business grows while those we kind of beat it up during our prepared remarks, while those carry a lower gross and EBITDA margin they drop cash to the bottom line and so that is the.
Speaker Change: All things pointing to additional free cash flow for us in the future, we still stand behind that.
Todd Zehnder: We still stand behind that.
Todd Zehnder: And then, on length of stay for the Venn patients, is that roughly 18? Is that where you guys are at? 18 months? It's still 17 months. It's kind of where we've been hanging the last several years and it has not deviated much from that.
Speaker Change: And then on length of stay in for the vent patients is that roughly 18 is that where you guys are at 18 months 17 months is kind of where we've been hanging in the last several years and it has not deviated much from that.
Todd Zehnder: Have you guys talked about what it is in sleep? We haven't necessarily, but the PAP generally caps out at a year, so our length of stay for an actual PAP patient is, call it a year. The resupply is, we haven't really talked about, nor have we calculated that number. As it continues to grow, we will probably provide some disclosure on that, but that's a younger patient, so if they're staying compliant, there's no reason they shouldn't stay on for a number of years.
Speaker Change: Have you guys talked about what are the aging fleet.
We haven't necessarily but the Pat generally caps out at a year. So our length of stay for an actual patient is call. It a year. The resupply is is that we haven't really talked about nor have we calculated that number as it continues to grow we will probably.
Speaker Change: Provide some disclosure on that but at the younger patients. So if they are staying compliant. There's no reason they shouldn't stay on for a number of years, yeah and to add a little color on this is trey or Andrew that a little color on that work. We're also in our infancy of the resupply program. So our length of stay right now as it relates to <unk>.
Todd Zehnder: Yeah, and to add a little color on, this is Trey, Andrew, to add a little color on that, we're also in our infancy of the resupply program, so our length of stay right now, as it relates to how we would calculate it every single year, is probably trickling. Okay, and on the path, the reason that's a year is, is that just how the reimbursement works on a 13 month schedule? Is that right? That's right, that's right, and so like if you think about our, the vent is an uncapped rental, it's a life-saving device, it's a bundled grade, it's very different than the rest of them.
Speaker Change: We calculated every single year is probably trickling up.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Okay and on the cap the reason that the year is that just how the.
Speaker Change: Reimbursement works on a 13 month schedule is that right.
Speaker Change: That's right that's right and so like if you think about our the event as an uncapped rental it's a life saving device. It's a bundled rate it's very different than the rest of them oxygen typically has a 36 month cap sleep generally has somewhere around 12 to 13 months gap.
Todd Zehnder: Oxygen typically has a 36 month cap, sleep generally has somewhere around a 12-13 month cap. All right.
Speaker Change: Okay, Alright, well. Thanks, a lot you guys are doing an awesome job.
Andrew Rem: Well, thanks a lot. You guys are doing an awesome job. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Andrew Rem: I can't quite figure out why you have this massive disparity in valuation, but hopefully the market will come around in time because you've done a fantastic job executing. Great. 20%, I think, is the Revenue Pegger, and I think EBITDA is just slightly below that. So, again, congrats, and the whole team for doing a great job executing. several years here. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Can't quite figure out why you have this massive disparity in valuation but.
Speaker Change: Hopefully the market will come around in time, because you've done a fantastic job of executing great.
Speaker Change: 90% I think is the <unk>.
Speaker Change: Breaking revenue CAGR and I think EBITDA is just slightly below that so.
Speaker Change: Again congrats on.
Speaker Change: The whole team for doing a great job executing over several years where were.
Todd Zehnder: We appreciate that and stay tuned for our new investor deck. We're going to try to start putting some valuation metrics in there to show what we think as well. So we appreciate your feedback.
Speaker Change: We appreciate that and stay tuned for our new investor deck, we're going to try to start putting the valuation metrics in there that.
Speaker Change: Show, what we think as well so we appreciate your your feedback.
Operator: Thank you, and there are no further questions at this time.
Speaker Change: Thank you and there are no further questions at this time I'll hand, the floor back to Casey Hoyt for closing remarks. Thank you.
Casey Hoyt: I'll hand the floor back to Casey Hoyt for closing remarks. Okay, thanks everyone.
Casey Hoyt: Okay. Thanks, everyone. That's going to conclude our conference call I appreciate everyone. Joining us today, if you've got anything else. Please feel free to reach out to us at anytime and have a good day have a good day.
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