Q1 2025 GrafTech International Ltd Earnings Call
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Timothy Flanagan: Good morning and welcome to GrafTech International's first quarter 2025 earnings call. On with me today are Tim Flanagan, Chief Executive Officer, Jeremy Halford, Chief Operating Officer, and Rory O'Donnell, Chief Financial Officer.
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Speaker Change: And with me today are Tim Flanagan, Chief Executive Officer, Jeremy Hallford, Chief operating Officer, and ROI O'donnell, Chief Financial Officer.
Timothy Flanagan: Tim will begin with opening comments, Jeremy will then discuss safety, the commercial environment, sales and operational matters, Rory will review our quarterly results and other financial details, and Tim will close with additional comments on our outlook. We will then open the call to questions. Turning to our next slide.
Speaker Change: Tim will begin with opening comments, Jeremy will then discuss safety the commercial environment sales and operational matters.
Speaker Change: We will review our quarterly results and other financial details and Tim will close with additional comments on our outlook. We will then open the call to questions.
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Timothy Flanagan: As a reminder, some of the matters discussed in this call may include forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, performance, trends, and strategies. These statements are based on current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainty. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated by forward-looking statements are shown here. We will also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, and these slides include the relevant non-GAAP reconciliations. You can find these slides in the investor relations section of our website at www.graftech.com. A replay of the call will also be available on our website.
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Timothy Flanagan: I'll now turn the call over to Tim. Good morning and thank you for joining GrafTech's first quarter earnings call. During the call this morning, we'll provide an overview of our first quarter performance. Share key operational and commercial updates and discuss our outlook for the rest of 2025 and beyond. But I'd like to begin with an update on the proactive steps that we've been taking in response to the current industry conditions and increased macro uncertainty. Just over a year ago, we began outlining a series of strategic initiatives. Our objective was to increase sales volume, regain market share, right size our capacity, reduce our costs.
Tim: I'll now turn the call over to Tim.
Tim: Good morning, and thank you for joining <unk> first quarter earnings call during.
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Tim: Our first quarter performance.
Tim: Our key operational and commercial updates and discuss our outlook for the rest of 2025 and beyond.
Tim: But I'd like to begin with an update on the proactive steps that we've been taking in response to the current industry conditions and increased macro uncertainty.
Tim: Just over a year ago, we began outlining a series of strategic initiatives.
Tim: Our objective was to increase sales volume regain market share.
Tim: Right size, our capacity reduce our costs.
Timothy Flanagan: Decrease working capital levels, improve our liquidity. and strengthen our financial foundation. all the while maintaining flexibility to generate strong returns when the market recovers. I'm pleased to report that we continue to deliver on all fronts. While the near-term market conditions remain challenging, we have made enormous strides in our strategic initiatives and we're excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. Let me expand on this by noting a few recent highlights. We are leveraging our customer value proposition and capitalizing on our commercial momentum to drive further volume and market share growth. We grew sales volume by 2% year-over-year in the first quarter.
Tim: Decreased working capital levels.
Tim: Prove our liquidity.
Tim: And strengthen our financial foundation.
Tim: All the while maintaining flexibility to generate strong returns when the market recovers.
Tim: I'm pleased to report that we continue to deliver on all fronts.
Tim: While the near term near term market conditions remain challenging we have made enormous strides in our strategic initiatives and we're excited about the opportunities that lie ahead.
Tim: Let me expand on this by noting a few recent highlights.
Tim: We are leveraging our customer value proposition and capitalizing on our commercial momentum to drive further volume and market share growth.
Tim: We grew sales volume by 2% year over year in the first quarter more importantly, we remain on track to increase our sales volume by a low double digit percentage on a full year basis for 2025 compared to last year.
Timothy Flanagan: More importantly, we remain on track to increase our sales volume by a low double-digit percentage on a full-year basis for 2025 compared to last year. This will result in cumulative sales volume growth of approximately 25% since 2023. This is impressive growth in any market, but is particularly the case as demand for graphite electrodes has been relatively flat for the past two years. However, weak demand and excess capacity have led to challenging pricing dynamics, which persist in nearly all of our regions. Simply put, the current level of graphite electrode pricing remains unsustainable. As we've consistently noted, a reliable supply of high quality graphite electrodes is indispensable to EAF steel production.
Tim: This will result in cumulative sales volume growth of approximately 25% since 2023.
Tim: This is impressive growth in any market, but is particularly the case as demand for graphite electrodes has been rather was relatively flat for the past two years.
Tim: However, weak demand and excess capacity have led the challenging pricing dynamics, which persist and nearly all of our regions.
Tim: Simply put the current level of graphite electrode pricing remains unsustainable.
Tim: As we've consistently noted a reliable supply of high quality graphite electrodes as indispensable to steel production.
Timothy Flanagan: Therefore, a healthy and growing steel industry requires a healthy graphite electrode. Recognizing these challenges, we have taken and will continue to take significant actions to improve our overall financial performance. These include ongoing actions to shift the geographical mix of our business to regions where there's an opportunity to capture higher selling prices. And sometimes this means walking away from certain volume opportunities where margins are unacceptably low and customers do not recognize their value prop. A key goal is to grow our volume and market share in the United States, which remains the highest-priced region in the industry, and we're doing just that.
Tim: Therefore, a healthy and growing healthy and growing steel industry requires a healthy graphite electrode industry.
Tim: Recognizing these challenges we have taken and will continue to take significant actions to improve our overall financial performance.
Tim: These include ongoing actions to shift the geographical mix of our business to regions, where theres, an opportunity to capture higher selling prices.
Tim: And sometimes it means walking away from certain volume opportunities, where margins are unacceptable yellow and customers do not recognize our value proposition.
Tim: Our key goal is to grow our volume and market share in the United States, which remains the highest price region in the industry and we're doing just that.
Timothy Flanagan: In the first quarter, we increased our sales volume in the United States by nearly 25% year over year, which also represents a step change in our U.S. share. And we're not done. On a full year basis for 2025, we expect to outpace first quarter growth rate as we continue to increase our market share in this key region. While shifting the geographic mix of our business is important to optimize our order book, ultimately the absolute level of pricing needs to increase. Earlier this year, we informed our customers of our intention to increase our prices by 15% on uncommitted volumes for 2025.
In the first quarter, we increased our sales volume in the United States by nearly 25% year over year, which also represents a step change in our U S share and we're not done.
Tim: On a full year basis for 2025, we expect to outpace first quarter growth rate as we continue to increase our market share in this key region.
Tim: While shifting the geographic mix of our business is an important to optimize our order book.
Tim: Ultimately the absolute level of pricing needs to increase.
Tim: Earlier this year, we informed our customers of our intention to increase our prices by 15% in uncommitted volumes for 2025.
Timothy Flanagan: This increase is the first step necessary on a path to restoring pricing and therefore profitability levels that will support our ability to invest in our business. As we head into customer negotiations related to volume for the back half of 2025, we look forward to discussing the incremental value we provide that supports a higher price. This value proposition includes an extended portfolio of high-quality products. Further enhancements to our world-class technical services and support. and providing our customers with reliable supply through our integrated and flexible production footprint. This is increasingly important given the current uncertainty around global trade.
This isn't this increase is the first step necessary on a path to restoring pricing and therefore profitability levels that will support our ability to invest in our business.
Tim: As we head into customer negotiations related to volume for the back half of 2025, we look forward to discussing the incremental value. We provide that supports a higher price point.
Tim: This value proposition includes an extended portfolio of high quality products.
Tim: Further enhancements to our World class technical services and support.
Tim: And providing our customers with reliable supply through our integrated and flexible production footprint. This is increasingly important given the current uncertainty around global trade.
Timothy Flanagan: All of these and other elements of our value proposition support our customers' ability to produce high-quality steel without disruption to their operations or performance. Ultimately, our commercial approach reflects a customer first mentality that permeates our organization. We are unwavering in our commitment to serve our customers and be the most trusted and value-added supplier of high-quality graphite electronics.
Tim: All of these elements of our value proposition and support our customers' ability to produce high quality steel without disruption to their operations or performance.
Tim: Ultimately our commercial approach reflects a customer first mentality that permeates the organization.
Tim: We are unwavering in our commitment to serve our customers and be the most trusted and value added supplier of high quality graphite electrodes.
Timothy Flanagan: Allow me to pivot to cost and operational. Our team has done an incredible job of dramatically improving our cost structure. In early 2024, we laid out a plan to aggressively reduce all of the elements of our costs. from fixed and variable operating expenses to corporate overhead costs. The results have been significant. In 2024, we delivered 23% year-over-year reduction in our cash COGS per metric ton. For 2025, we remain on track to achieve our guidance of an incremental mid-single-digit percentage year-over-year decline in cash cogs per metric. Importantly, all of this is being accomplished without compromising our product quality and reliability, nor our commitment to the environment or to safety.
Tim: Allow me to pivot to cost and operational excellence.
Tim: Our team has done an incredible job of dramatically improving our cost structure.
Tim: In early 2024, we laid out a plan to aggressively reduce all of the elements of our cost structure from Brexit fixed and variable operating expenses corporate overhead costs.
Tim: The results have been significant.
Tim: In 2024, we delivered 23% year over year reduction in our cash Cogs per metric ton.
Tim: For 'twenty four 'twenty five we remain on track to achieve our guidance of an incremental mid single mid single digit percentage year over year decline in cash Cogs per metric ton.
Tim: Importantly, all of this is being accomplished without compromising our product quality and reliability, nor our commitment to the environment or to safety.
Timothy Flanagan: In fact, based on our year-to-date performance, we are on track for a third consecutive year of lowering our total recordable incident rate. These results are a testament of the hard work and attention to detail of our more than 1,000 global employees.
Tim: In fact based on our year to date performance. We are on track for a third consecutive year of loaded lowering our total recordable incident rate.
Tim: These results are a testament to the hard work and attention to detail of our more than 1000 global employees.
Timothy Flanagan: Let me now expand on a topic that has been top of mind for many companies, including GrafTech. Global trade policymaking and the impact of tariffs on our business. As this remains a fluid situation, our focus has been on continuously assessing a range of tariff outcomes and taking proactive measures to mitigate potential impacts. To illustrate this point, let me describe how we're approaching the situation regarding U.S. tariffs. We're proud of our ability to serve our customers across a variety of markets through our world-class graphite electrode manufacturing facilities located in Mexico, France, and Spain. In addition, we continue to have supplemental electrode and pin machining and shipping capabilities at our IHRL production facility in St.
Tim: Let me now expand on a topic that has been top of mind for many companies, including graft Tech.
Tim: Global trade policy, making and the impact of tariffs on our business.
Tim: And this remains a fluid situation our focus has been on continuously assessing a range of tariff outcomes and taking proactive measures to mitigate potential impacts.
Tim: To illustrate this point, let me describe how we're approaching the situation regarding U S tariffs.
Tim: We're proud of our ability to serve our customers across a variety of markets through our world class graphite electrode manufacturing facility is located in Mexico, France and Spain.
Tim: In addition, we continue to have supplemental electrical electrode and pin machining and shipping capabilities at our iron ore production facility in St Marys, Pennsylvania.
Timothy Flanagan: Mary's, Pennsylvania. All of these facilities are enabled by our needle coke production facility located in Texas. Our integrated and global production network provides flexibility around where we manufacture our products and how we deliver them to the end markets in an efficient manner. In addition, we maintain inventories in various geographies around the world. Given the higher level of uncertainty related to the U.S. tariffs and potential retaliatory tariffs, we stage additional inventory in St. Mary's in anticipation of these announcements. This provides us with further flexibility in the near term. But more importantly, the materials coming from our facility in Mexico to the U.S.
Tim: All of these facilities are enabled by our needle Coke production facility located in Texas.
Tim: Our integrated and global production network provides flexibility around where we manufacture our products and how we deliver them to the end markets and efficient manner.
Tim: In addition, we maintain inventories in various geographies around the world.
Tim: Given the higher level of uncertainty related to the U S tariffs and potential retaliatory tariffs, we stage additional inventory in St. Marys in anticipation of these announcements.
Tim: This provides us with further flexibility in the near term.
Tim: But more importantly, the materials coming from our facility in Mexico to the U S. Our U S. MCA compliant and therefore are not subject to current tariffs.
Timothy Flanagan: are USMCA compliant and therefore are not subject to current tariffs. Further, to the extent that the current tariffs against the EU remain in place or are increased, these tariffs would be reduced by the amount of content in the goods that originated in the U.S. Therefore, for our electrodes produced in our European facilities. The value of the needle coat produced in the U.S. and the value-added activities conducted in the U.S. will significantly reduce the impact of tariff. As such, we believe we're well positioned to minimize the potential impact imposed by the evolving trade policies and estimate that this will have less than a 1% impact on our full year cash cogs per metric ton.
Tim: Further to the extent that the current tariffs against EU remain in place were increased these tariffs would be reduced by the amount of content in the goods that originated in the U S.
Tim: Therefore for our electrodes produced in our European facilities.
Tim: The value of the needle Coke produced in the U S and the value added activities conducted in the U S will significantly reduce the impact of tariffs.
Tim: As such we believe we are well positioned to minimize the potential impact imposed by the evolving trade policies and estimate that this will have less than a 1% impact on our full year cash cogs per metric ton.
Timothy Flanagan: In addition to considering the direct impacts on our product flows, we also continue to assess how various tariff scenarios might impact steel industry trends and the commercial environment for graphite electrolytes. For example. Expanded Section 232 tariffs have been implemented on steel and aluminum imports into the U.S. without exemption. Our view is that such tariffs on steel and aluminum will have greater staying power than other tariff programs that have been implemented recently. To the extent that higher Section 232 tariffs result in increased deal production in the U.S., we view this as an opportunity. Approximately 70% of the steel produced in the U.S.
Tim: In addition to considering the direct impacts on our product flows. We also continue to assess how various tariff scenarios might impact steel industry trends in the commercial environment for graphite electrodes.
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Tim: Banded section 232 tariffs have been implemented on steel and aluminum imports into the U S without exemptions.
Tim: Our view is that such stare tariffs on steel and aluminum will have greater staying power than other tariff programs had been implemented recently.
Tim: To the extent that higher section 232 tariffs result in increased steel production in the U S. We view this as an opportunity.
Tim: Approximately 70% of the steel produced in the U S is manufactured be electric arc furnaces, which require a reliable supply of high quality graphite electrodes.
Timothy Flanagan: is manufactured via electric arc furnaces, which require a reliable supply of high-quality graphite electrodes. given our market presence in the U.S. Combined with newly introduced as well as increased tariffs that will impact certain foreign graphite electrode competitors, we're well positioned to compete for incremental demand from our U.S. customers. Overall, we will continuously assess the trade policymaking environment and adjust our responses accordingly in order to minimize any potential impact and to capitalize on these potential opportunities. As always, our focus will remain on meeting the needs of our customers, and we're well-positioned to do so.
Tim: Given our market presence in the U S.
Tim: Combined with newly introduced as well as increased tariffs that will impact certain foreign graphite electrode competitors, we're well positioned to compete for incremental demand from our U S customers.
Overall, we will continuously assess the trade policy, making environment and adjust our responses accordingly in order to minimize any potential impact and to capitalize on these potential opportunities.
Tim: Our focus will remain on meeting the needs of our customers and we're well positioned to do so.
Timothy Flanagan: To briefly summarize my opening comments, we've laid out a plan to manage through the near-term industry headwards and we're executing it. All of our achievement reflects our absolute focus on managing the things within our control to preserve our flexibility to capitalize on a future recovery of the market.
Tim: To briefly summarize my opening comments, we've laid out a plan to manage through the near term industry headwinds and we're executing.
Tim: All of our achievement reflects our absolute focus on managing the things within our control to preserve our flexibility to capitalize on the future recovery of the market.
Timothy Flanagan: To that end, I'd like to express my appreciation for the remarkable efforts of our entire team across the globe.
Tim: Does that end I'd like to express my appreciation for the remarkable efforts of our entire team across the globe.
Jeremy Halford: With that, let me turn it over to Jeremy to provide more color on our operational and commercial performance.
Tim: With that let me turn it over to Jeremy to provide more color on our operational and commercial performance.
Jeremy Halford: Thank you, Tim, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin with an update on safety, which is a core value at GrafTech. We're pleased that our recordable incident rate improved further in the first quarter. Maintaining this positive trend will continue to be a point of emphasis with our teams as we proceed through the year. When it comes to safety, we remain among the top performers in the broader manufacturing industry, but we will not be satisfied until we achieve our ultimate goal of zero injury.
Jeremy: Thank you, Tim and good morning, everyone I'll.
Tim: I will begin with an update on safety, which is a core value at graphic.
Tim: We are pleased that our recordable incident rate improved further in the first quarter.
Tim: Maintaining this positive trend will continue to be a point of emphasis with our teams as we proceed through the year.
Tim: When it comes to safety, we remain among the top performers in the broader manufacturing industry.
We will not be satisfied until we achieve our ultimate goal of zero injuries.
Jeremy Halford: Let me now turn to the next slide to discuss the commercial environment. On a global basis, steel production outside of China was approximately 209 million tons in the first quarter of 2025, which was modestly below the first quarter of last year. The global utilization rate for the first quarter also declined year over year, but was in line with the third quarter of 2024. Looking at some of our key commercial regions using data published by the World Steel Association earlier this week. For North America, steel production was flat in the first quarter compared to the prior year.
Let me now turn to the next slide to discuss the commercial environment.
Tim: On a global basis steel production outside of China was approximately 209 million tonnes in the first quarter of 2025.
Tim: Which was modestly below the first quarter of last year.
Tim: The global utilization rate for the first quarter also declined year over year, but was in line with the third quarter of 2024.
Tim: Looking at some of our key commercial regions using data published by the World Steel Association earlier this week.
Tim: For North America steel production was flat in the first quarter compared to the prior year.
Jeremy Halford: Specific to the U.S., World Steel reported a 1% reduction for the quarter. reflecting a modest decline in what has been an otherwise relatively stable steel region. In the EU, steel output decreased 3% year to date and remains well below historical levels of steel production and utilization for that region.
Tim: Specific to the U S World Steel reported a 1% reduction for the quarter.
Tim: Reflecting a modest decline in what has been an otherwise relatively stable steel region.
Tim: In the EU steel output decreased 3% year to date, it remains well below historical levels of steel production and utilization for that region.
Jeremy Halford: With that background, let's turn to the next slide for more details on our results. Our production volume in the first quarter was 28,000 tons. This resulted in a capacity utilization rate of 63%, representing a more than 500 basis point increase from the prior year. For the quarter, production exceeded sales volume. This inventory build was planned and is the result of one of our cost savings initiatives, which is to level load our production for the year. On a full year basis, our focus remains on balancing production volume with our expectations regarding sales volume. As it relates to sales volume, in the first quarter, we sold 25,000 metric tons.
Tim: With that background, let's turn to the next slide for more details on our results.
Tim: Okay.
Tim: Our production volume in the first quarter was 28000 tonnes. This resulted in the capacity utilization rate of 63% representing a more than 500 basis point increase from the prior year.
Tim: For the quarter production exceeded sales volume.
Tim: This inventory build was planned and is the result of one of our cost savings initiatives, which is to level load our production for the year.
Tim: On a full year basis, our focus remains on balancing production volume with our expectations regarding sales volume.
Tim: As it relates to the sales volume in the first quarter, we sold 25000 metric tons.
Jeremy Halford: This was a 2% year-over-year increase and was in line with our expectations for the quarter. Of particular note was our success in actively shifting a significant portion of our volume to the U.S. as we have discussed. In fact, we grew sales volume in this region by nearly 25% in the first quarter versus last year, which we are particularly pleased with given the 1% decline in steel production in this region that I mentioned earlier. Our average selling price for the first quarter was $4,100 per metric ton, which represented a 20% year-over-year decline. This decline was largely driven by the substantial completion in 2024 of the higher priced LTAs that we have spoken to previously.
Tim: This was a 2% year over year increase and was in line with our expectations for the quarter.
Tim: Of particular note was our success in actively shifting a significant portion of our volume to the U S. As we have discussed.
Tim: In fact, we grew sales volume in this region by nearly 25% in the first quarter versus last year, which we are particularly pleased with given the 1% decline in steel production in this region that I mentioned earlier.
Tim: Our average selling price for the first quarter was $4100 per metric ton, which represented a 20% year over year decline.
Tim: This decline was largely driven by the substantial completion in 2024 of the higher priced lta's that we've spoken to previously.
Jeremy Halford: Additionally, the lower average selling price in the first quarter also reflected the persistent challenges with industry-wide pricing. Our focus remains on mitigating these impacts in the near term, including the previously mentioned geographic mix shift toward the U.S. Similar to all regions, average pricing in the U.S. is below year-ago levels, but it remains the strongest region for graphite electrode pricing globally. In fact, we estimate that the increase in our U.S. volume for the first quarter boosted our average selling price by nearly $100 per metric ton. But coming back to my earlier point regarding the completion of the LTAs, when sequentially comparing our weighted average price for the first quarter to the more comparable non-LTA price we reported for the fourth quarter, we're excited to have achieved a price increase of approximately 5%.
Tim: Additionally, the lower average selling price of the first quarter also reflected the persistent challenges with industry wide pricing.
Tim: Our focus remains on mitigating these impacts in the near term, including the previously mentioned geographic mix shift towards the U S.
Tim: Similar to all regions average pricing in the U S is below year ago levels, but it remains our strongest region for graphite electrode pricing globally.
Tim: In fact, we estimate that the increase in our U S volume for the first quarter boosted our average selling price by nearly $100 per metric ton.
Tim: But coming back to my earlier point regarding the completion of the Lta's.
Tim: Sequentially, comparing our weighted average price for the first quarter to the more comparable non LTA price we reported for the fourth quarter. We're excited to have achieved a price increase of approximately 5%.
Jeremy Halford: As part of our initiative to actively shift the mix of our business, Western Europe is also a focus area. To that end, for the first quarter, we increased our sales volume in Western Europe by more than 40% year over year. As pricing remains soft in this market, this will not translate into immediate support for our average selling price. However, this is an important strategic market for the long term, given tariff protections and growth expectations that Tim will speak to in a moment. Increasing our share in the EU will position us well for recovery in this region.
Tim: As part of our initiative to actively shift the mix of our business Western Europe is also a focus area.
Tim: And for the first quarter, we increased our sales volume in western Europe by more than 40% year over year.
Tim: As pricing remains soft in this market and this will not translate into immediate support for our average selling price.
Tim: However, this is an important strategic market for the long term given tariff protections and growth expectations that Tim will speak to in a moment.
Tim: Increasing our share in the EU will position us well for recovery in this region.
Tim: Yes.
Jeremy Halford: Given the muted demand environment, our success in growing sales volume in the key US and EU regions reflects our customer engagement strategy aimed at increasing our market share. It also reflects our compelling value proposition.
Tim: Given the muted demand environment, our success in growing sales volume in the key U S and EU regions reflects our customer engagement strategy aimed at increasing our market share.
Tim: It also reflects our compelling value proposition.
Jeremy Halford: As we have noted, this includes. Unmatched technical capabilities related to our Architect Furnace Productivity System, which is further supported by our world-class customer technical services team. Ongoing investments in our research and development capabilities, further expanding GrafTech's leading position in graphite electrode and petroleum needle coat technology. A growing product portfolio, most notably with the recent introduction of our new 800 millimeter product. And our unique position of being vertically integrated into needle coke, providing surety of supply for our key raw materials. Ultimately, we remain committed to strengthening our customer relationships for the long term to achieve mutual success for years to come.
Tim: As we have noted this includes.
Tim: Unmatched technical capabilities related to our architect furnace productivity system, which is further supported by our world class customer technical services team.
Tim: Ongoing investments in our research and development capabilities further expanding graph <unk>, leading position in graphite electrode and petroleum needle Coke technology.
Tim: A growing product portfolio, most notably with the recent introduction of our new 800 millimeter product.
Tim: And our unique position of being vertically integrated into needle coke, providing surety of supply for our key raw material.
Tim: Ultimately, we remain committed to strengthening our customer relationships for the long term to achieve mutual success for years to come.
Rory O'Donnell: Let me now turn it over to Rory to cover the rest of our financial details. Thank you, Jeremy, and good morning, everyone. For the first quarter, we had a net loss of $39 million, or 15 cents per share. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $4 million in the quarter, compared to adjusted EBITDA being flat in the first quarter of 2024. The decline reflected lower average selling prices, partially offset by a 21% year-over-year reduction in cash costs on a per-metric ton basis. Let me expand on the cost favorability, which included a couple of timing-related accounting items that had an outsized benefit in the first quarter.
Tim: Let me now turn it over to Rory to cover the rest of our financial details.
Rory: Thank you Jeremy and good morning, everyone.
Rory: For the first quarter, we had a net loss of $39 million or <unk> 15 per share.
Rory: Adjusted EBITDA was negative $4 million in the quarter compared to adjusted EBITDA being flat in the first quarter of 2024.
Rory: The decline reflected lower average selling prices, partially offset by a 21% year over year reduction in cash costs on a per metric ton basis.
Rory: Let me expand on the cost favorability, which included a couple of timing related accounting items that had an outsized benefit in the first quarter.
Rory O'Donnell: First, inventory written down in prior periods due to lower of cost or market inventory valuation adjustments had a $7 million favorable impact on COGS year-over-year for the first quarter of 2025. Second, the first quarter of last year included the accelerated recognition of $10 million of fixed manufacturing costs related to low production levels that did not recur in the first quarter of 2025. Combined, these two factors accounted for approximately two-thirds of the year-over-year decline in our cash costs per ton for the first quarter. The remaining decline reflected the impressive ongoing efforts of our teams in identifying and executing against cost reduction opportunities across various components of our variable and fixed costs.
Rory: First inventory written down in prior periods due to lower of cost or market inventory valuation adjustments had a $7 million favorable impact on cogs year over year for the first quarter of 2025.
Rory: Second the first quarter of last year included the accelerated recognition of $10 million of fixed manufacturing cost related to low production levels that did not recur in the first quarter of 2025.
Rory: Combined these two factors accounted for approximately two thirds of the year over year decline in our cash cost per ton for the first quarter.
Rory: The remaining decline, reflecting the impressing the impressive ongoing efforts of our teams and identifying and executing against cost reduction opportunities across the various components of our variable and fixed costs.
Rory O'Donnell: In addition, our cost structure continues to benefit from improved fixed cost leverage, reflecting the increase in volume. All in, this resulted in cash cogs per metric ton of approximately $3,650 for the first quarter of 2025. As we have noted previously, we will have periodic quarter-to-quarter fluctuations in our cash cost recognition. as a result of timing him. However, the key point is that our cost structure continues to trend in the right direction. On a full-year basis, we remain on track to achieve our projected mid-single-digit percent year-over-year decline in our cash cogs per metric ton for 2025.
Rory: In addition, our cost structure continues to benefit from improved fixed cost leverage reflecting the increase in volume.
Rory: All in this resulted in cash Cogs per metric ton of approximately $3650 for the first quarter of 2025.
Rory: As we have noted previously we will have periodic quarter to quarter fluctuations in our cash cost recognition.
Rory: As a result of timing impacts however, the key point is that that our cost structure continues to trend in the right direction.
Rory: On a full year basis, we remain on track to achieve our projected mid single digit percent year over year decline in our cash Cogs per metric ton for 2025.
Rory O'Donnell: This would translate into cash cogs per metric ton of approximately $4,100 for the full year. Our ongoing ability to reduce costs while continuously enhancing our customer service, our product quality, and our performance remains an impressive accomplishment.
Rory: This would translate into cash Cogs per metric ton of approximately $4100 for the full year.
Rory: Okay.
Rory: Our ongoing ability to reduce costs, while continuously enhancing our customer service our product quality and our performance remains an impressive accomplishment.
Rory O'Donnell: Turning to cash flow. For the first quarter, cash used in operating activities was $32 million. Adjusted free cash flow was negative $40 million compared to adjusted free cash flow of negative $11 million in the first quarter of 2024. The change primarily reflected timing related items in working capital, including the planned inventory build in the first quarter that Jeremy described. For the full year, we continue to expect that working capital will be favorable to our cash flow performance in 2025. These working capital benefits will be realized through a combination of production cost improvements and inventory management, while maintaining adequate safety stock of PINs and electricity.
Rory: Turning to cash flow for the first quarter cash used in operating activities was $32 million.
Rory: Adjusted free cash flow was negative $40 million compared to adjusted free cash flow of negative $11 million in the first quarter of 2024.
Rory: The change primarily reflected timing related items in working capital, including the planned inventory build in the first quarter that Jeremy discussed.
Rory: For the full year, we continue to expect that working capital be favorable to our cash flow performance in 2025.
Rory: These working capital benefits will be realized through a combination of production cost improvements and inventory management, while maintaining adequate safety stock of pins and electrodes.
Rory O'Donnell: Overall, our use of cash in the first quarter was in line with our expectations. For the full year, we remain on track with the cash flow projections that underpinned our thesis for our recent capital transaction.
Rory: Overall, our use of cash in the first quarter was in line with our expectations.
Rory: For the full year, we remain on track with the cash flow projections that underpinned our thesis for our recent capital transactions.
Rory O'Donnell: Turning to the next slide and expanding on this point. We ended the first quarter with total liquidity of $421 million, consisting of $214 million of cash, $107 million of availability under our revolving credit facility, and $100 million of availability under our delayed draw term loan, which is available to be drawn until July of 2026. As it relates to our $225 million revolving credit facility, which matures in November of 2028, we had no borrowings outstanding as of the end of the quarter. However, based on a springing financial covenant that considers our recent financial performance, borrowing availability under the revolver remains limited to approximately $115 million, less currently outstanding letters of credit, which approximated $8 million as of the end of the quarter.
Rory: Turning to the next slide and expanding on this point.
Rory: We ended the first quarter with total liquidity of $421 million.
Rory: Consisting of $214 million of cash.
Rory: $107 million of availability under our revolving credit facility and $100 million of availability under our delayed draw term loan which is available to be drawn until July of 2026.
Rory: As it relates to our $225 million revolving credit facility, which matures in November of 2028, we.
Rory: We had no borrowings outstanding as of the end of the quarter.
Rory: However, based on a springing financial covenant that considers our recent financial performance borrowing availability under the revolver remains limited to approximately $115 million less currently outstanding letters of credit, which approximated $8 million as of the end of the quarter.
Rory O'Donnell: Overall, our strong liquidity position, along with the absence of substantial debt maturities until December of 2029, will support our ability to manage through near-term industry-wide challenges, which is, once again, consistent with our refinancing plan.
Rory: Overall, our strong liquidity position along with the absence of substantial debt maturities until December of 2029 will support our ability to manage through near term industry wide challenges, which is once again consistent with our refinancing pieces.
Rory O'Donnell: Thank you.
Timothy Flanagan: Let me turn the call back to Tim for some final comments on our outline. Thanks, Rory. In summary, we've built a plan and we're delivering against it. As a result, we're growing our volume and market share, particularly with key customers in the U.S. and the EU. We're reducing our cost structure and we're effectively managing our working capital levels and cash position. All of this reflects on our focus on controlling the controllable during a challenging time for our industry while putting GrafTech in a strong position for future growth as the market recovers. To this last point, while much of our commentary today is focused on the U.S.
Rory: Let me turn the call back to Tim for some final comments on our outlook.
Tim: Thanks, Rick.
Tim: In summary, we built a plan and we're delivering against it.
Tim: As a result, we're growing our volume and market share, particularly with key customers in the U S and EU.
Tim: We're reducing our cost structure, and we're effectively managing our working capital levels and cash position.
Tim: All of this reflects on our focus on controlling the controllable during a challenging time for our industry, while putting <unk> in a strong position for future growth as the market recovers.
Tim: To this last point, while much of our commentary today is focused on the U S market, let me expand a bit on the EU.
Timothy Flanagan: market, let me expand a bit on the EU. As Jeremy noted, steel production in the EU remains below historical levels. However, we're beginning to see initial signs that point towards potential recovery in the near to medium term. These include the EU Commission's recent announcements related to their Steel Action Plan, which demonstrate the Commission is taking steps to create policy backdrop that is more supportive for their domestic steel industry. In addition, Germany's recently announced infrastructure investment plan, as well as EU-wide initiatives to increase defense spending, should significantly boost steel demand in Europe in the coming years.
Tim: As Jeremy noted steel production in the EU remains below historical levels. However, we are beginning to see initial signs that point towards potential recovery in the near to medium term easing.
Tim: These include the EU Commission's recent announcements related to their steel action plan, which demonstrates the commission is taking steps to create policy backdrop that is more supportive domestic steel industry.
Tim: In addition, Germany's recently announced infrastructure investment plan as well as EU wide initiatives to increase defense spending should significantly boost steel demand in Europe in the coming years.
Timothy Flanagan: And last but certainly not least, the potential end to the war in Ukraine should lead to increased steel demand needed for reconstruction, while boosting market confidence across the continent. As it relates to these demand drivers, the impact could be meaningful. In fact, one analyst projected that these combined factors could lead to a low double-digit percentage increase in annual steel demand within the UU in the coming years as compared to the current level of steel consumption. Further, with graphite electrode inventories remaining at low levels in Europe, an increase in European steel production should lead to an outsized increase in graphite electrode demand.
Tim: And last but certainly not least the potential end to the war in Ukraine should lead to increased steel demand needed for reconstruction, while boosting market confidence across the continent.
Tim: As it relates to these demand drivers the impact could be meaningful.
Tim: In fact, one analysts projected that these combined factors could lead to a low double digit percentage increase in annual steel demand within the EU in the coming years as compared to the current level of steel consumption.
Tim: Further with graphite electrode inventories remaining at low levels in Europe and increase in European steel production should lead to an outsized increase in graphite electrode demand.
Timothy Flanagan: This is an important strategic market for GrafTech for the long term, and our current commercial momentum in the EU that Jeremy spoke to positions as well for recovery in this region.
Tim: This is an important strategic market for <unk> for the long term and our current commercial momentum in the EU that Jeremy spoke to positions as well for recovery in this region.
Timothy Flanagan: More broadly speaking, as it relates to both the EU and beyond, we believe that decarbonization efforts will continue to reshape steelmaking in the years ahead. We're confident that the electric arc furnace will continue to increase their share of total steel production over time, which will drive higher demand for graphite electrodes. And with demand for petroleum needle coke, our key raw material, also expected to rise, our vertical integration puts us in an advantaged position. To this last point, the growth of Needlecoat Market is expected primarily to occur to support the building of a Western supply chain for electric vehicles and energy storage applications, and we share the market's confidence that this will be, this growth will be significant.
Tim: More broadly speaking as it relates to both the EU and beyond we believe that de carbonization efforts will continue to reshape steelmaking in the years ahead.
Tim: We're confident that the electric arc furnace will continue to increase their share of total steel production over time, which will drive higher demand for graphite electrodes.
Tim: And with demand for petroleum needle Coke, our key raw material also expected to rise our vertical integration puts us in an advantaged position.
Tim: To this last point the.
Tim: The growth of needle coke market as expected primarily to occur to support the building of the western supply chain for electric vehicles, and energy storage applications and we share the market's confidence that this will be this growth will be significant.
Timothy Flanagan: The establishment of those Western supply chains from a raw material manufacturing through to the OEMs remains in its early stages. However, we believe that the uncertainty caused by tariffs and the potential for international trade disruptions highlights the need for the West to continue to reduce reliance on other countries for continued critical minerals, such as graphite, and to accelerate development of a domestic supply with the support of policy makers. While we're closely monitoring these developments. We have also continued to build out our technical capabilities and demonstrate those to the key market participants. Thanks to these efforts and our deep expertise in needle coke and synthetic graphite, we are confident we are well positioned to be a valuable strategic partner in this space.
Tim: The establishment of those western supply chains from a raw material manufacturing through to the Oems remains in its early stages. However.
Tim: However, we believe that the uncertainty caused by tariffs and the potential for international trade disruptions highlights the need for the west to continue to reduce reliance on other countries for continued critical minerals, such as graphite and to accelerate development of the domestic supply with the support of policymaking.
Tim: While we are closely monitoring. These developments. We have also continued to build out our technical capabilities and demonstrate those two key market participants. Thanks.
Tim: Thanks to these efforts and our deep expertise in needle Coke and synthetic graphite. We are confident we are well positioned to be a valuable strategic partner in this space.
Timothy Flanagan: In closing, this is an exciting time for GrafTech. We've set out a plan to manage the current market dynamics, and we're successfully executing against it. As a result, GrafTech is in a strong position to benefit from long-term favorable trends that will shape the future of our industry. For these reasons, we're confident in GrafTech generating long-term value for our customers, our employees, our shareholders, our communities, and all of our constituents.
Tim: In closing this is an exciting time for graphic we've set out a plan to manage the current market dynamics and we're successfully executing against it.
Tim: As a result, <unk> is in a strong position to benefit from long term favorable trends that will shape the future of our industry.
Tim: For these reasons, we're confident in graphic generating long term value for our customers our employees our shareholders our communities and all of our constituents.
Unknown Executive: This concludes our prepared remarks. We'll now open up the call for questions. Thank you.
Tim: This concludes our prepared remarks, we'll now open up the call for questions.
Tim: Thank you ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session.
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Bennett Moore: Your first question is from Bennett Moore from J.P. Morgan. Your line is now open. Good morning, Tim and team, and thank you for taking my questions. In the past, you've talked about the U.S. market having the highest pricing but also facing the most downward pressure. I guess I'm wondering, with Indian material now facing at least 10 percent tariffs, has that changed the pace of declines at all? Yeah, so maybe as a little bit of a backdrop, so historically, we have not seen any sort of trade protection around the US market from imports coming out of India.
Speaker Change: Your first question is from Dennis Moore from Jpmorgan. Your line is now open.
Dennis Moore: Good morning, Tim and team and thank you for taking my questions.
Tim: Got it.
Tim: In the past you've talked about the U S market, having the highest pricing, but also facing the most downward pressure.
Tim: I'm wondering with India material now facing at least 10%.
Tim: Has that changed the pace of declines at all.
Tim: Yes, so maybe as a little bit of a backdrop. So historically, we have not seen any sort of trade protection.
Tim: Around the U S market.
Tim: From imports coming out of India, we have seen it for from the Chinese and certainly I think over the last two years, we've seen an influx of of material coming from India.
Timothy Flanagan: We have seen it from the Chinese. And certainly, I think over the last two years, we've seen an influx of material coming from India into the US market, albeit a relatively small share, still compared to some of the tier one suppliers, but that percentage certainly has increased. Now, I would suspect that as we look out into the future, to the extent that those tariffs remain in place, whether they're at the 10%, or the announced 26% level, that that'll dramatically impact, you know, the availability of this market to the Indian competitors, just given the incremental cost as well as the freight disadvantage.
Tim: Into the U S market.
Tim: Albeit a relatively small share still but.
Tim: Compared to some of the tier one suppliers, but that that percentage certainly has increased.
Tim: I would suspect that as we look out into the future to the extent that those tariffs remain in place whether they are at the 10% or the announced 26% level that that will dramatically impact the availability of this market to the Indian competitors just given the.
Tim: The incremental cost as well as the freight disadvantage.
Timothy Flanagan: And I think that's where we look to capitalize, you know, the most in terms of our proximity to the US and the service that we provide to our customers here. So, you know, ultimately, that is something that could be a bit of a landscape changer for us in the US market.
Tim: I think thats, where we look to capitalize the most in terms of our proximity to the U S and the service that we provide to our customers here. So ultimately that that is something that could be a bit of a landscape changer for us in the U S market.
Timothy Flanagan: Thanks for that. And then real quick, you've mentioned you've gained share in the U.S., which is great to see. I'm wondering how much more room you think there is to go, or I guess said another way, you know, where does your share stand now relative to Monterey temporarily coming offline back in 2022? Yeah, so I would say that we're, while we won't give specific numbers, we're ahead of where we were previously, and certainly we're very pleased with the effort that the commercial team has made that resulted in the 25% increase in volume in Q1. And as we stated in our comments, we expect to continue to grow that share throughout the year.
Tim: Thanks for that.
Speaker Change: And then real quick you've mentioned you've gained share in the U S, which is great to see I'm wondering how much more room. You think there is to go or I guess said another way where does your share stand now relative to.
Speaker Change: Monterey temporarily coming out signed back in 2022.
Speaker Change: Yes, so I would say that we're while we won't give specific numbers. We're ahead of where we were.
Speaker Change: Previously.
Speaker Change: And certainly we're very pleased with the effort that the commercial team has made.
Speaker Change: That resulted in the 25% increase in volume in Q1, and as we stated in our comments, we expect to continue to grow that share throughout the year I think the.
Timothy Flanagan: I think the, you know, we're not limiting ourselves to a specific percentage. I think I said that on the year-end call as well. We'll continue to partner with our customers in the U.S. I think in the U.S. in particular, our value proposition with Architect, CTS, the new product offering, the demands of the U.S. market from a furnace performance perspective really align well to what we're doing at GrafTech from a technical quality basis. So, feel very good about where we're at in the U.S. and North America more broadly, and think there's still room for us to grow in that market.
Speaker Change: We're not limiting ourselves to a specific percentage I think I said that on the year end call as well we will continue to.
Speaker Change: Partner with our customers in the U S. I think in the U S. In particular, our value proposition with architects Cts, the new product offerings. The demands of the U S market from affirmative furnace performance perspective, really align well to what we're doing at graphic from our technical quality.
Speaker Change: So feel very good about where we're at in the U S and North America more broadly and think there is still room for us to grow in that market.
Timothy Flanagan: And that's not even including the benefits of a growing 800-millimeter market in the U.S. I think we've commented in the past that we did trials last year. We're completing some additional trials here successfully in 2025, which gives us access to even a broader market of U.S. customers, as well as just overall demand growth, whether it be from tariffs or just organic growth for growth in the U.S. market from steel consumption. So, feel very good, and think we have a lot of potential here in the U.S.
Speaker Change: And thats, not even including the benefits of our growing 800 millimeter market in the U S. I think we've commented in the past that we did trials last year. We're completing some additional trials here successfully in 2025, which gives us access to even a broader market.
Speaker Change: <unk> customers as well as just overall demand growth, whether it be from tariffs or just organic growth for.
Speaker Change: Growth in the U S market from steel consumption. So feel very good and I think we have a lot of potential here in the U S.
Bennett Moore: Thanks for that, Tim.
Speaker Change: Thanks for that and best of luck.
Bennett Moore: Best of luck.
Unknown Executive: Thank you.
Thank you.
Alex Hacken: Your next question is from Alex Hacken from Citi. Your line is now open. Yeah, thanks. Morning. I guess a couple of things.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Your next question is from Alex hacking from Citi. Your line is now open.
Alex Hacking: Yeah. Thanks, good morning.
Alex Hacken: I'm not sure if you're willing to, but could you quantify what percentage of sales are now coming from US and Western Europe? Is that north of 50% now for you guys? Closer to 75%, just trying to get some sense of the big market share gains that you've seen in the first quarter. Thank you. Yeah, sure. I mean, we'll disclose as we do on an annual basis. But certainly now, if you look at Europe and the US, from a volume and revenue perspective, we're well over 50% in both of those markets combined. Collectively, right.
Alex Hacking: I guess, a couple of things I'm not sure if you're willing to but could you quantify what percentage of sales are now coming from U S and western Europe.
Alex Hacking: Is that north of 50% now for you guys.
Alex Hacking: Closer to 75% just trying to get some sense of the big market share gains that you're seeing in the first quarter. Thank you.
Alex Hacking: Yeah sure I mean.
Alex Hacking: We'll disclose as we do on an annual basis, but but certainly now if you look at Europe and the U S from a volume and revenue perspective, we're well over 50% in both of those.
Alex Hacking: Markets.
Alex Hacking: A mind.
Alex Hacking: Collectively right.
Timothy Flanagan: Okay, and then in terms of your supply to the U.S. I assume the vast majority is coming from Monterey, but... I guess, what's the balance there, supplying the U.S. from Monterrey versus Europe? Yeah, so if you think about and Kind of our commentary on all our calls, we really look at all three plants as an integrated system, right? And certain plants have certain capabilities. And I know we've talked on past calls that we continue to produce pin stock out of Monterey. So, as a result, you know, Monterey supplying pins for our global production network. So, I would say a substantial portion of the material for the US market is coming out of Monterey, but we do bring material in from Europe to service US customers as well.
Alex Hacking: Okay and then.
Alex Hacking: In terms of your supply to the U S.
Alex Hacking: The vast majority is coming from Monterrey, but.
Alex Hacking: I guess, what's the balance there supplying.
Alex Hacking: Supply in the U S from Monterrey versus.
Alex Hacking: Europe.
Alex Hacking: Yeah. So if you think about and.
Alex Hacking: Our commentary on all our calls we really look at all three plants as an integrated system right in certain plants have certain capabilities.
Alex Hacking: And I know we've talked on past calls that we continue to produce pin stock out of Monterrey. So as a result, Monterey supplying pins for our global production network. So I.
Alex Hacking: I would say a substantial portion of the material for the U S market is coming out of Monterrey, but we do bring material in from Europe.
Alex Hacking: Due to service U S customers as well and meet the needs of this market and we'll continue to do so right and think as we talk about tariffs and what we've laid out.
Timothy Flanagan: And meet the needs of this market and we'll continue to do so, right? And think, you know, as we talk about tariffs and what we laid out, you know, we've got a pretty good action plan as to how we mitigate.
Alex Hacking: <unk> got a pretty good action plan as to how we mitigate that.
Timothy Flanagan: Okay, thanks. So then when you said that there would be less than 1% impact on COGS from all of this, that's inclusive of whatever tariff you're paying on the non-U.S. material. So, when you think about the material coming out of the USMCA compliance, so Mexico to the US, as well as the material coming from Europe, we're bringing in semi-finished goods from Europe that ultimately are finished in the US, so there's a value add to that, as well as the needle coke is all coming out of C-DRIF. So, with the structure of the tariff regime as it is today, that mitigates a substantial portion of the impact of those tariffs.
Alex Hacking: Okay. Thanks. So then when you said that that would be.
Alex Hacking: Less than 1% impact on Cogs from all of.
That's inclusive of whatever tariff you are paying on the non U S material.
Alex Hacking: From your that's right from your you feel when you think about the okay. Yes. So when you think about the material coming out of the U S. MCA compliance so Mexico to the U S as well as the material coming from Europe, where bringing in semi finished goods from Europe that ultimately are finished in the U S. So there is a value add to that.
Alex Hacking: As well as the needle Coke is all coming out of seadrift. So.
Alex Hacking: With the structure of the tariff regime as it is today that mitigates a substantial portion of the impact of those tariffs.
Timothy Flanagan: So you're, this value-add happening at St. Mary's, that makes sense.
Alex Hacking: So your value.
Alex Hacking: You add happening in St Marys, if that makes sense.
Timothy Flanagan: And then sorry, one final one, if I may. Any commentary around like how successful that you've been with the 15% price hike on the non-contract customers? Is that something that the market seems to be accepting, given that your peers were also looking to push prices up? Yeah, I mean, maybe I'll take an opportunity to provide a little bit of a broader comment here. We've consistently been saying we're in a tough part of the cycle, right? Demand is weak. You know, I think pricing, I would still describe as unsustainably low across the market. Capacity utilization rates in the industry are, again, unsustainably low.
Speaker Change: Sorry, one final one if I may.
Speaker Change: Any commentary around like how successful you've been with.
Speaker Change: With a 15% price hike on the non contract cuts.
Speaker Change: Customers is that something that the market seems to be accepting given that your peers were also looking to push prices up.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Nope.
Speaker Change: Maybe I'll take an opportunity to provide a little bit of a broader comp.
Speaker Change: Comment here.
Speaker Change: We consistently say, we're in a tough part of the cycle right.
Speaker Change: Demand is weak.
Speaker Change: I think pricing I would still describe as unsustainably low across the market capacity utilization rates in the industry.
Speaker Change: Our again unsustainably low it drives up costs is a high fixed leverage business.
Timothy Flanagan: It drives up costs. This is a high fixed leverage business. And I think, you know, if you look at at least most of the Western participants or, you know, the Tier 1 competitors are operating at a loss. So really, it's an unsustainable market if we stay in these pricing levels. We've taken a lot of action, first and foremost, around our costs, our balance sheet, our capacity with the idling of St. Mary's and some other capacity around our network, and still invest in R&D products and technical services. And we did all that before we announced the price increase because it was important for us to show our customers, who we view as partners, that we're taking steps in the same action to improve the overall health of this industry, and we led with that.
Speaker Change: And I think if you look at least most of the western participants are.
Speaker Change: The tier one competitors are operating at a loss. So really that is an unsustainable market. If we stay at these pricing levels.
Speaker Change: We've taken a lot of action first and foremost around our costs our balance sheet, our capacity with the idling of St Marys and some some other capacity around our network.
Speaker Change: And still invest in R&D products and technical services and we did all of that before we announced the price increase because it was important for us to show our customers, who we view as partners that were taking steps in the same action to improve the overall health of this industry and we lead with that.
Timothy Flanagan: Back in Q1, we did announce the 15% increase on sales that weren't yet committed, and we'll get into those discussions for second half volumes here in the coming months. But I would say, a number of our customers, many of our customers certainly understand where we're coming from. They appreciate where we're coming from. They acknowledge that we are indispensable to their business and that they need us to be healthy and the market to be healthy for them to be successful long term. And also that we're a relatively small piece of their overall cost structure, but we're as important as every ton of scrap they put in their mill or every kilowatt of power that they pump into their furnaces.
Speaker Change: Back in Q1, we did announced that 'twenty, sorry, the 15% increase on sales that weren't yet committed.
Speaker Change: And we will get into those discussions for second half volumes here in the coming months, but I would say.
Speaker Change: A number of our customers that many of our customers certainly understand where we're coming from.
Speaker Change: They appreciate where we're coming from.
Speaker Change: They acknowledge that we are indispensable to their business and that they need us to be healthy in the market to be healthy for them to be successful.
Speaker Change: Long term and also that we're a relatively small piece of their overall cost structure, but we are as important as every ton of scrap they put in their mill for every kilowatt of power that they pump into their furnaces. So.
Timothy Flanagan: So they get it, they understand it, but that's not to say that we won't have customers that push back or customers that it's a bit of a challenge. Not all markets are equal at this point in time. So I'm still optimistic that we'll be able to drive pricing in the back half of the year. But we think we've done the work necessary to set up the groundwork and set the landscape so that we can have these constructive conversations going forward with our customers.
Speaker Change: They get it they understand it but that's not to say that we won't have customers that pushed back the customers that it's a bit of a challenge not all markets are equal at this point in time, so I'm still optimistic that we'll be able to drive pricing in the back half of the year.
Speaker Change: But we think we've done the work necessary to set up the groundwork and set the landscape. So that we can have these constructive conversations going forward with our customers.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Alex Hacken: Okay, thanks Tim and team. I appreciate all the call. Best of luck. Thank you.
Okay. Thanks, Tim I appreciate all the color best of luck. Thank you.
Alex Hacking: Thanks, Alex.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Our next question is from Aaron This one Nelson from RBC capital markets. Your line is now open.
Arun Viswanathan: Your next question is from Arun Viswanathan from RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open. Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I hope you guys are well.
Speaker Change: Great. Good morning, Thanks for taking my questions I Hope you guys are well.
Arun Viswanathan: Yeah, I guess maybe the first question would just be a quick update on the progress that you guys have achieved on some of the share recovery. Is there any way we can, you can kind of frame that opportunity as far as maybe tonnage or volumes and what you expect kind of over the next year or so? Yeah, I think I think probably the important metrics or data points to keep in mind. You know, we're reiterating our belief that we'll have low double digit growth in volume year over year. So we continue to have good visibility into our order book and think that we have a strong path forward to continue to increase sales broadly.
Speaker Change: Yes, I guess, maybe first question would just be a quick update on the progress that you guys have achieved on some the share recovery.
Speaker Change: Is there any way we can you can kind of frame that opportunity as far as maybe tonnage or volumes and what you expect kind of over the next.
Speaker Change: Year or so.
Speaker Change: Yes, I think I think probably the important.
Speaker Change: Metrics or data points to keep in mind.
Speaker Change: We are reiterating our belief that we will have low double digit growth.
Speaker Change: In volume year over year. So we continue to have good visibility into our order book and think that we have a strong path forward to continue to increase sales.
Speaker Change: Broadly.
Timothy Flanagan: We've also, you know, grown. our sales volume in North America, or US in particular, but North America as well, and Europe as well. You know, we always talk about our two most strategic markets and the two markets that historically have been the best end markets for our products that also very much mirror our operating footprint, have been North America and Europe. And I think the team has done a fantastic job of growing sales in both of those regions. And we'll continue to see that mix. You know, we'll be much heavier weighted into the Americas. If you think about our historic sales mix between the Americas versus Europe and the Middle East versus Asia-Pacific, you know, we've pretty much been 45, 45 and 10.
Speaker Change: We've also.
Speaker Change: <unk> grown.
Speaker Change: Our sales volume in North America, or U S. In particular, but North America, as well and Europe as well, we always talk about our two most strategic markets and the two markets that historically have been the best end markets for our products that also very much mirror, our operating footprint have been North America.
Speaker Change: Europe and I think the team has done a fantastic job of growing sales in both of those regions and we'll continue to see that mix.
Speaker Change: We will be much heavier weighted.
Speaker Change: Into the Americas.
Speaker Change: If you think about our historic sales mix between.
Speaker Change: The Americas versus Europe, and the Middle East versus Asia Pacific, We've pretty much been $45 45, and 10 I think you can expect us to be much.
Arun Viswanathan: I think you can expect us to be much more heavy weighted to the Americas, north of 50%. And, you know, Europe and the Middle East will hold, drop a few points, but we'll also see a decline in Asia-Pacific. Again, just given the competitive nature of that market on an export basis. Okay, thanks for that.
Much more heavy heavy weighted to the Americas north of 50%.
Speaker Change: And Europe, and the Middle East will hold drop a few points, but we will also see a decline in Asia Pacific again, just given the competitive nature of that market on an export basis.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thanks for that and then.
Arun Viswanathan: And then... It sounded like the long-term outlook for graphite electrodes is still positive, driven by the long-term outlook for EAF steel production, but over the near term, I guess, the long-term outlook for EAF steel production is still positive, driven by the long-term outlook for EAF steel production. You know, where do you see kind of steel utilization rates going over the next, say, six to 12 months? I know there's a lot of uncertainty out there, but I guess, you know, and what are some of the drivers there? Would you say, you know, you're kind of feeling a little bit cautious, just given kind of uncertainty on global industrial production and steel utilization?
Speaker Change: It sounded like.
Speaker Change: Obviously, the long term outlook for graphite electrodes as still positive driven by the long term outlook for steel production.
Speaker Change: Over the near term I guess.
Speaker Change: <unk>.
Speaker Change: Where do you see kind of steel utilization rates going over the next say six to 12 months I know theres a lot of uncertainty out there but.
Speaker Change: I guess.
Speaker Change: And what are some of the drivers there would you say.
Youre kind of feeling a little bit.
Speaker Change: Cautious just given kind of uncertainty on global industrial production.
Speaker Change: And he'll utilization or would you say that you are.
Timothy Flanagan: Or would you say that you're feeling a little bit more optimistic, just given that you've gone through quite a bit of de-stocking and declines over the last few years already? Yeah, I think broadly speaking, right, everybody, every business, regardless of the industry that you're in right now, has to have an eye or an ear to the ground, if you will, to understand, you know, where the markets are going. I think you see a lot of differing views on how the tariff and the trade policymaking is going to play out. And, you know, I think. You know, it's probably changed since we started this call.
Speaker Change: I'm feeling a little bit more optimistic just given that you have gone through quite a bit of destocking and declines over the last few years already.
Speaker Change: Yes, I think broadly speaking right everybody every business regardless of the industry that you're in right now has to have an iron ear to the ground. If you will to understand where the markets are going I think you see a lot of differing views on.
Speaker Change: How the tariff and the trade policy.
Speaker Change: Policymaking is going to play out and I think.
Speaker Change: It's probably changed since we started this call so.
Timothy Flanagan: So, you know, I think we have to continue to remain diligent and continue to understand. I think we've put together a good, you know, cross functional team organizationally to assess kind of all the potential ramifications. I think where they stand today, there certainly are opportunities for us, both in the US and Europe that we'll look to capitalize on. But I think we're going to hear as we go through this earnings season, everybody's going to express some level of cautiousness or uncertainty. And I think we've heard that commentary already at a certain Steelmakers that, you know, their optimistic order books are strong, but they're also, you know, foreshadowing at least a little bit of uncertainty as to what end customer demand is going to be.
Speaker Change: Yes, I think we have to continue to remain diligent and continue to understand I think we've put together a good.
Speaker Change: Our cross functional team organizationally to assess kind of all the potential ramifications I think where they stand today. There are certainly are opportunities for us both in the U S and Europe.
Speaker Change: We will look to capitalize on but I think we're going to here as we go through this earnings seasons everybody's going to to express some level of cautiousness or uncertainty and I think we've heard that commentary already at certain steelmakers that they're optimistic order books are strong.
Speaker Change: But there also.
Speaker Change: For shadowing at least a little bit of uncertainty as to what end customer demand is going to be right. Now we feel good with who our customers are and what we're hearing from them in terms of our demand and that gave us the confidence to reiterate.
Timothy Flanagan: Right now, we feel good with who our customers are and what we're hearing from them in terms of our demand. And that gave us the confidence to reiterate our sales volume guidance for the year. And we do think there will be opportunities that come out of any sort of disruption. And that disruption could become from incremental demand or demand that materializes from the displacement of participants in the market. So I think there's a number of ways we can benefit. And I think we're well positioned to take advantage of that.
Speaker Change: Our sales volume guidance for the year, and we do think there'll be opportunities that come out of any sort of disruption in that does that disruption could become from incremental demand or demand that.
Speaker Change: <unk> materializes from the displacement of participants in the market. So I think theres a number of ways. We can benefit and I think we are well positioned to take advantage of that.
Arun Viswanathan: Okay, and then the other question I had was just on pricing, you know, so appreciating your comments on it seems like there's been some convergence in the market between SPOT and say maybe some other longer term contracts, but you know, how do we think about pricing going forward? I mean, we have got, you know, oil prices kind of lower, which may drive Edelcoke lower, EV demand also lower, which may drive Edelcoke lower, and that, you know, could ultimately result in lower graphite electrode pricing. We've got that uncertainty around demand, but then maybe there's some, you know, some support from tariffs.
Speaker Change: Okay, Okay and then.
Speaker Change: The other question I had was just on pricing.
Speaker Change: So appreciating your comments it seems like Theres been some convergence.
Speaker Change: And the market between spot and say, maybe some other longer term contracts, but.
Speaker Change: How do we think about pricing going forward I mean, we have got.
Speaker Change: Oil prices kind of lower which may drive needle coke lower EV demand also lower which may drive needle coke lower and that could ultimately result in lower graphite electrode pricing and we've got that uncertainty around.
Speaker Change: Demand, but then maybe there is.
Speaker Change: Some support from tariffs I don't I don't know if thats necessarily the case.
Timothy Flanagan: I don't know if that's necessarily the case. So, is there any kind of guidance you can provide for us on how you think pricing for both electrodes and Edelcoke would evolve from here? You know, I guess we've been bouncing along the bottom maybe on Edelcoke for a little while, and so maybe there's some optimism that things could get better there, but again, I don't know if it's feedstock driven or anything else, but yeah, it's just so opaque for us. So, any guidance you can provide on, you know, some fair assumptions on price would be helpful.
So is there any kind of guidance you can provide for us on how you think pricing for both electrodes and needle Coke would evolve from here.
Speaker Change: You know I guess, we've been bouncing along the bottom maybe on needle coke for a little while and so maybe there is some optimism that things could get better there, but again.
Speaker Change: I don't know, if its feedstock driven or anything else, but yes.
It's just so opaque for us I mean, any any guidance you can provide on.
Speaker Change: Some some fair assumptions on price would be helpful. Thanks.
Timothy Flanagan: Thanks. Yeah, I mean, you know. As we always do, I'm not going to get into particulars of what we see next quarter and the quarter after looks like, as we're always negotiating contracts. But I think on breaking it down between Needlecoke and Electrodes, on the Needlecoke side, I think we've been in the same trading range for probably almost a year to 18 months now. And I think you see some firm support at this level. So any sort of incremental demand for Needlecoke or any sort of disruption in the market, I would suspect we'll start to see better Needlecoke pricing as we go forward.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: <unk>.
As we always do I'm not going to get into particulars of what we see next quarter and the quarter. After looks like as we're always negotiating contracts, but I think breaking it down between needle coke and electrodes on the needle Coke side I think we've been in the same trading range for probably almost a year to 18 months now.
Speaker Change: And I think you see some some firm support it at this level, so any sort of incremental demand.
Speaker Change: For needle coke or any sort of disruption in the market I would suspect we'll start to see better needle coke pricing as we go forward and as we've talked about.
Timothy Flanagan: And as we've talked about, On numerous calls, there's a direct correlation between needle coat pricing and electrode pricing, so we do think there's still a lot of positive upside on that. But we will acknowledge, yes, there's uncertainty in the EV market. There's uncertainty around how that continues to develop. But, you know, I think if anything comes out of this current trade, you know, I won't call it a trade war, but this trade discussion or trade negotiation is that, you know, the Western governments are going to become less reliant on particular economies for critical minerals and supplies of essential items. So so I do think we still have a very bullish outlook there.
Speaker Change: Numerous calls Theres, a direct correlation between needle coke pricing in electrode pricing so no.
Speaker Change: We do think there is still.
Speaker Change: A lot of positive upside.
Speaker Change: On that.
Speaker Change: But we will acknowledge yes, there is uncertainty in the EV market. There is uncertainty around how that continues to develop but I think if anything comes out of this current trade.
Speaker Change: I will call the trade war, but there's this trade discussion or trade negotiation is that.
Speaker Change: The western.
Speaker Change: Governments are going to become less replant less reliant on particular economies for critical minerals and supplies of essential items. So so I do think we still have a very bullish outlook there.
Timothy Flanagan: On the graphite electrode side, you know, I think. You know, throughout 2040, you saw a decline in spot pricing, and I would say that's fair to say that across every region globally. Some held better than others, but, you know, from Q1 to Q4, prices were down. If we look Q4 to Q1 on a regional basis, I would say we're pretty flat. So, while I won't necessarily say that that's a floor, because you still have people that are maybe irrationally chasing volumes in certain regions or making decisions that we won't necessarily follow or make, we do start to see some price stability where we're at right now.
Speaker Change: On the graphite electrode side.
Speaker Change: I think.
Speaker Change: Throughout 2040 saw a decline in spot pricing and I would say thats fair to say that across every region globally.
Speaker Change: <unk> held better than others, but from Q1 to Q4 prices were down if we look Q4 to Q1 on a regional basis I would say were pretty flat. So.
Speaker Change: While I wont necessarily say that that's a floor because you still have people that are maybe irrationally chasing volumes in certain regions are making decisions that we wont necessarily follow or make.
Speaker Change: We do start to see some price stability.
Speaker Change: Where we're at right now and that's part of why we're announcing a price increase part of why we are trying to shift our mix to those regions that all allow us to be positioned for.
Timothy Flanagan: And that's part of why we're announcing a price increase, part of why we're trying to shift our mix to those regions that all allow us to be positioned for a broader market recovery. You know, we did see from Q3, end of Q3 to the, you know, through, I guess, end of Q1, an increase in Chinese electrode prices. You know, some of that was higher on the small diameter side, you know, call it 5% or 10% to 15% on the small diameter side, 5% to 10% on the large diameter. You know, albeit still low and depressed from where they were, you know, in, say, 2022, that's a positive development because, again, that creates a little bit of a floor for the marginal volume that's picked up by the Chinese exporters.
Speaker Change: Broader market recovery.
Speaker Change: We did see from Q3 into Q3 that through.
Speaker Change: Through I guess in the.
Speaker Change: Q1, an increase in Chinese electric prices.
Speaker Change: Some of that was was higher on the small diameter side call it five or 10% to 15% on the small diameter side, 5% to 10% on the large diameter.
Speaker Change: Albeit still low and depressed from where they were.
Speaker Change: Say 2022, that's a positive development because again that creates a little bit of a floor for.
Speaker Change: The marginal.
Speaker Change: Volume that's picked up by the Chinese export or so so I think there's some things that are starting to provide some price stability and I think we will continue to focus on where we are selling who we're selling to emphasize and what we're selling which isn't just an electrode that we drop at your gate and walkaway until the next quarter and come back to service.
Timothy Flanagan: So, I think there's some things that are starting to provide some price stability. And, you know, I think we'll continue to focus on where we're selling, who we're selling to, emphasizing what we're selling, which isn't just an electrode that we drop at your gate and walk away until the next order and come back. The service we provide, the technology we provide, and we think all of those things will position as well.
Speaker Change: We provide the technology, we provide and we think all of those things will position us well.
Arun Viswanathan: All right, thanks a lot. Thanks, Rory.
Alright, Thanks, a lot.
Robert: Thanks Robert.
Kirk Ludtke: Thank you. Our next question is from Kirk Ludtke from Imperial Capital. Your line is now open. Hello, Tim, Jeremy, Rory, Mike, thank you for the call and all the detail. With respect to the tariffs, could you remind us how... How much of the the US how much of the graphite electrodes sold in the US are sourced from outside the US? And if you can break that down by country of origin, that'd be super helpful. Yeah, so we don't break down kind of plant by plant, you know, supply demand dynamics, but I'd say, you know, call it roughly half, give or take of the production coming into the US is going to come out of Monterey, and the balance is going to come out of the two European facilities depending on the price.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Next question is from Clarke Wilkins from Imperial capital. Your line is now open.
Speaker Change: Hello, Tim Jeremy Murray, Mike. Thank you for the call and all the.
Speaker Change: All the detail.
Speaker Change: With respect to the tariffs could you remind us how.
Speaker Change: How much of the U S. How much of the graphite electrodes sold in the U S are sourced from outside the U S and if you can break that down by country of origin that'd be super helpful.
Speaker Change: Yes, so we don't breakdown kind of plant by plant supply demand dynamics, but I would say.
Speaker Change: Call it roughly half give or take of the production.
Speaker Change: Coming into the U S is going to come out of Monterrey, and the balance is going to come out of the two European facilities, depending on the product.
Timothy Flanagan: No, I was talking about the overall market, like I'm trying to think of how much of the US market will be subject to US tariffs. Incremental U.S. tariff. So I'm just, you know, what you mentioned, India was a yeah, yeah. So, you know, if you look at the predominance of suppliers, right, you know, the largest shares are going to be held by. GrafTech, the two Japanese competitors, they're both going to be subject to tariffs on material that they don't produce domestically. They do produce some in Europe, some in Southeast Asia, as well as their pinstock that comes out of Japan.
Speaker Change: Right No I was I was talking about the overall market like I am trying to think of how much of how.
Speaker Change: How much of the U S market.
We will be subject to U S tariffs.
Speaker Change: Incremental U S tariff.
So I'm just.
Speaker Change: India was up.
Speaker Change: Yes. So if you look at the predominance of suppliers right. The largest shares are going to be held by.
Speaker Change: The graph tech the two Japanese competitors.
Speaker Change: They're both going to be subject to tariffs.
Speaker Change: Material that they don't produce domestically they do produce some in Europe some in.
Speaker Change: Southeast Asia as well as their pin stock that comes out of Japan.
Timothy Flanagan: And then you have the Indians who have a share of the market called mid-teens, percentage of the market, they would be subject. And probably the biggest impact of the four biggest buckets of producers that sell into the U.S. market.
Speaker Change: And then you have the Indians, who have a share of the market call it mid teens.
Speaker Change: Percentage of the market they would be subject and probably the biggest impact of the four biggest buckets of producers that sell into the U S market.
Speaker Change: No.
Timothy Flanagan: I missed the last part, so the Indian... About mid-teens, like 15% of the graphite electrodes in the US come from India, and then how much comes from Japan? So I would say the remaining 85% is split between... us and the two Japanese, and I would put us on the high end of that. I wouldn't just divide 85 by 3, I would put us on the high end of that. Okay, you have the lion's share of that. Okay, that's super helpful. And of that, of the graphite electrodes that are sourced from outside the U.S., to what extent can those graphite electrodes use U.S.
Speaker Change: I missed the last part so.
Speaker Change: India.
Speaker Change: Mid teens like 15% of of the graph graphite electrodes.
Speaker Change: Andy Allograft by directly yes, and then and then how much comes from Japan.
Speaker Change: So I would say.
Speaker Change: The remaining 85% is split between.
Speaker Change: And the two Japanese and I would put us on the high end of that I wouldn't just divide 85 by three I would put us on the high end of that.
Speaker Change: Okay, you have the lion's share of that Okay. That's super helpful and out of that of the graphite electrodes that are are sourced from outside the U S.
Speaker Change: To what extent can those.
Speaker Change: Graphite electrodes used U S needle coke in other words reduce the tariffs.
Timothy Flanagan: needle coke? In other words, reduce the tariffs by sourcing U.S. needle coke? I know it's a tough, probably a tough question. Yeah, I mean, to the same extent that, you know, if we think about the global needle coke market, four major players, P66, us, and then two Japanese producers. Some of P66's production is in the U.S., some of it is in the U.K., so to the extent that people are using P66 material out of the U.S., then they would be able to You have the same benefit, you know, in terms of offsetting some of the tariff impact.
Speaker Change: By sourcing U S needle coke.
Speaker Change: I know, it's a tough tough question.
Speaker Change: Yes, I mean to the same extent that we think about the global needle Coke market.
Speaker Change: Four major players.
Speaker Change: <unk> hundred 66, us and then <unk> Japanese producers.
Speaker Change: Some of P 66, as production is in the U S. Some of it is in the U K.
Speaker Change: So to the extent that people are using PCC P 66 material out of the U S.
Speaker Change: Then they would be able to.
Speaker Change: You'll have the same benefit.
Speaker Change: In terms of offsetting some of the tariff impact.
Timothy Flanagan: Sounds like most of most of those electrodes that are coming in from outside. are also using foreign sources. Yeah, I can't comment on what the actual splits are, but, you know. Some are going to have some U.S. originated material and some aren't. Yeah, but 100% of what we produce has domestically produced needle It sounds like these tariffs are going to be...
Speaker Change: It sounds like most of most of those electrodes that are coming in from outside.
Speaker Change: We are using also using foreign sourced.
Speaker Change: Yeah, I can't comment on what the actual splits are but.
Speaker Change: Somewhat some are going to have some U S originated material in summer.
Speaker Change: Yes, 100% of what we produce has domestically produced needle coke.
Speaker Change: It sounds like these tariffs are going to be.
Timothy Flanagan: Could be a pretty significant positive for you. We very much think that it'll be an opportunity for us to continue to increase our presence in the U.S. market for sure. Got it.
Speaker Change: It'd be a pretty significant positive for you.
Speaker Change: We very much think that it will be an opportunity for us to continue to increase our presence in the U S market for sure.
Speaker Change: Got it.
Timothy Flanagan: And To what extent do you think that trade negotiations are going to lead to capacity reduction? I'm not sure how to speculate on that. What I would say is. Without an improvement in the overall economics of the graphite electrode market, people are going to start to make decisions around capacity because, again, while we were at 63%, we increased our capacity utilization here in the first quarter from where we were last year. Us running our business at 63% isn't where we want to be. Others are facing the same or lower capacity utilizations, and so everybody has to make the same kind of capital allocation decisions as they move forward.
Speaker Change: And.
Speaker Change: To what extent do you think the trade negotiations.
Speaker Change: Going to to lead to capacity reductions.
Speaker Change: I'm not sure how to speculate on that one what I would say.
Speaker Change: Is.
Speaker Change: Without <unk> without an improvement in the overall economics of the graphite electrode market people are going to start to make decisions around capacity because again, while we were at 63% we increased our capacity utilization here in the first quarter from where we were last year.
Speaker Change: US running our business at 63% isn't where we want to be others are facing the same or lower capacity utilization and so everybody has to make the same kind of capital allocation decisions as they move forward. So so whether it's driven by tariffs whether it's driven by.
Timothy Flanagan: So whether it's driven by tariffs, whether it's driven by dislocation of markets that people historically have served that can't serve any longer because of profitability or pricing in that region or whatever the driver is, I would expect that you'll continue to see discussion around capacity reductions as we continue to see and hear from others to balance out the market and try to not only push prices in regions but also improve the overall profitability of the industry. Got it. That's super helpful. Last last question. So you mentioned that it looks like the looks like pricing is improving in the US.
Speaker Change: Dislocation of markets that people historically have served it can't serve any longer.
Speaker Change: Because of profitability or pricing in that region or whatever the driver is I would expect that you'll continue to see.
Speaker Change: Discussion around capacity reductions as we continue to see and hear for from others.
Speaker Change: To balance out the market and try to not only.
Speaker Change: Pushed prices in regions, but also improve the overall profitability of the industry.
Speaker Change: Got it that's Super helpful. Last last question. So you mentioned that it looks like the it.
Speaker Change: It looks like pricing is improving in the U S.
Timothy Flanagan: Have you noticed any change in the pricing outlook for the rest of the world, particularly Europe, since COVID-19? April 2. Yeah, it's probably too early to say what pricing looks like from April 2nd. I would go back to what I said previously. I think pricing in all geographies declined year over year. I'm sorry, from Q1 of last year to Q4, we're seeing stability from Q4 to Q1. But the U.S. market, the North American market, It still is a significantly higher priced market than the rest of the world. So the $100 impact that Jeremy disclosed or discussed around, that's being driven by our shifting more volume into the US market and taking it out of less profit.
Speaker Change: Have you noticed any change in the pricing outlook rest of world, particularly Europe.
Speaker Change: Ah.
Speaker Change: April 2nd.
Speaker Change: Yeah. It is.
Speaker Change: Too early to say what pricing looks like from April 2nd.
Speaker Change: I would go back to what I said previously I think pricing in all geographies declined year over year.
Speaker Change: I'm sorry from Q1 of last year to Q4, we're seeing stability from Q4 to Q1.
Speaker Change: But the U S market, the North American market.
Speaker Change: He is still is a.
Speaker Change: A significantly higher priced market than the rest of the world. So the 100 dollar impacted Jeremy disclose or discuss around that's being driven by our shifting more volume into the U S market and taking it out of less profitable markets.
Timothy Flanagan: Got it. Yes, you're benefiting from a shift in mix. I was just trying to think, you know, just apples and apples.
Speaker Change: Got it yes, youre benefiting from a shift in mix I was just trying to think.
Speaker Change: Just apples and apples.
Timothy Flanagan: How's the market look in Europe? Do you see that improving in Europe as well? Again, price stability, you know, like, you know, kind of like when, you know, over the last couple of years, we've talked about inflation and the rate inflation is slowing versus, you know, not inflating. I think we're seeing price stability in Europe. I think the commentary we provided on Europe, whether it's the EU action plan, whether it's the incremental defense spending that is being announced by the respective governments, Germany's infrastructure bill, we're starting to see impetus in Europe to support their domestic steel and domestic industrial manufacturing.
Speaker Change: How does the market look in Europe.
Speaker Change: You'd see that improving in Europe, as well or.
Speaker Change: Or deteriorating price stability.
Speaker Change: Like.
Speaker Change: Kind of like when over the last couple of years, we've talked about inflation in the rate of inflation is slowing versus not inflating.
Speaker Change: I think we're seeing price stability in Europe, I think the commentary we provided around Europe, whether it's the EU action plan, whether it's the incremental defense spending that is being announced by their respective governments.
Speaker Change: Jeremy as infrastructure Bill, we're starting to see impetus in Europe to support their domestic steel and domestic industrial manufacturing I think all of that will start to.
Kirk Ludtke: I think all of that will start to promote and give greater support for electrode pricing. Whether that manifests in Q2 or yet will be yet to be seen, but I think the backdrop and the opportunities are starting to present themselves. Got it. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Promote and give greater support for electrode pricing whether that manifest in Q2 were ordered yet.
Speaker Change: Yet to be seen but yes.
Speaker Change: I think the backdrop and the opportunities are starting to present themselves.
Speaker Change: Got it I appreciate it thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you. Your next question is from Abe Atlanta from Bank of America. Your line is now open.
Abe Lanta: Your next question is from Abe Lanta from Bank of America. Your line is now open. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. Your sales volume in the first quarter was up 2.5%, and you also affirmed your sales volume guidance for upload double digits. I guess – how does that sales volume, I guess, accelerate going forward? How much of that volume for your double-digit guide is committed volume and how much do you have to go up? Yeah, so reaffirming our 10% or low double digit increase year over year. I think, you know, Q1 is historically a lower or a seasonal time frame as customers are managing, you know, Q4 inventory.
Abe Atlanta: Good morning, good morning for taking my questions.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Your sales volume in the first quarter is up two 5% and you're also affirm your sales volume guidance for up low double digits I guess.
Speaker Change: How does that sales volume I guess accelerate.
Speaker Change: Going forward and then maybe embedded there.
Speaker Change: How much of that volume for your double digit guide is committed volume, but how much did you have to go out there and win.
Speaker Change: Yes, so reaffirming our 10%.
Speaker Change: Low double digit increase.
Speaker Change: Year over year.
Speaker Change: I think.
Speaker Change: Q1 is historically a.
Speaker Change: Lower or a seasonal timeframe as customers are managing Q4 inventory. So you see a little bit of flux between what happens at.
Abe Lanta: So, you see a little bit of flux between what happens at shipments at the end of the year. So, there's always a little bit of inventory management that takes place. And, you know, just depending on the timing of when Q4 negotiations get wrapped, right, there's always a little bit of lag in terms of when you actually start delivering those volumes to those customers. So, you know, we think that and the reason why we continue to produce on a level loaded basis in Q1 is because we will be at that run rate, you know, as we move forward, you know, throughout the year.
Speaker Change: Shipments at the end of the year. So there's always a little bit of inventory management that takes place and just depending on the timing of when.
Speaker Change: Q4 negotiations and get wrapped right. There is always a little bit of lag in terms of when you actually start delivering those volumes to those customers. So.
Speaker Change: We think that and the reason why we continued to produce on a level loaded basis. In Q1 is because we will be at that run rate is.
Speaker Change: We move forward.
Speaker Change: Throughout the year. So so feel good about the volume prospects I said before we have good visibility in the order book I would probably put us somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% plus committed at this point in time. So again, we have good visibility and on track with where we would otherwise expect to be.
Timothy Flanagan: So, so feel good about the volume prospects. I said before, we have good visibility in the order book. I would probably put us somewhere in the neighborhood of 75% plus committed at this point in time. So again, we have good visibility and on track with where we'd otherwise expect to be. Oh, that's very interesting. I could call him a 75% and maybe. Our kind of From my understanding, I think the U.S. has been pretty much fully committed for this for this year. I guess if we're kind of thinking about Europe, I guess, however, discussions in Europe, given just, you know, you have two of your big competitors are reducing capacity by mid-year.
Speaker Change: Alright, that's very interesting.
Speaker Change: 75%.
Speaker Change: Maybe.
Speaker Change: Sure.
Speaker Change: My understanding I think the U S. It's been pretty much fully committed for this for this year.
Speaker Change: I guess, if we're kind of thinking about Europe.
Speaker Change: How are discussions in Europe, given just that you have.
Speaker Change: Two of your big competitors are reducing capacity by mid year, I think one even talking about cutting.
Timothy Flanagan: Cutting additional capacity, maybe hard discussions go in it. Yeah, maybe let me go back. I'm not sure I would say that the US is fully committed at this point in time. I think we've described in the past that typically that annual buy that takes place in the back half of the year is about 80% of the need. So, we think there's always some opportunity for spot volume based on normalized production levels. I do think there is potential for some upside as we think about the impact and where steel producers are running in the US. And again, both on increased demand, but also potential displacement of tons in the market.
Speaker Change: Cutting additional capacity it maybe hard discussions go in Europe.
Speaker Change: Yeah, maybe let me go back I'm not sure I would I would say that the U S is fully committed at this point in time I think we've described in the past that typically that that annual buy that takes place in the back half of the year is about 80% of the need. So we think there's always some opportunity for spot volume.
Speaker Change: Based on kind of normalized production levels I do think there is potential for some upside.
Speaker Change: As we think about the impact and where steel producers are running in the U S and again, both on increased demand, but also potential displacement of tons in the market. So.
Timothy Flanagan: So, with respect to Europe, I think you're right. You continue to hear discussions around capacity. I think Europe is still well below historical levels from a steel demand perspective. But all of those factors that we've talked about a couple times in terms of Demand for steel in Europe, you know, those are going to start to manifest themselves in customer conversations. And we are hearing a, you know, I won't call it an overwhelming, but a marginally more positive tone from some of our European customers that are looking to lock in some volume and get ahead of, you know, some, some, you know, stronger production aspirations in the back half.
Speaker Change: With respect to Europe.
Speaker Change: Youre right and continue to hear discussions around capacity.
Speaker Change: I think Europe is still well below historical levels from our steel demand perspective, but all of those factors that we've talked about a couple of times in terms of.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Demand for steel in Europe.
Speaker Change: Those are going to start to manifest themselves in customer conversations and we are hearing.
Speaker Change: I won't call it an overwhelming but are marginally more positive tone from some of our European customers that are looking to.
Speaker Change: Lock in some volume and get ahead of.
Speaker Change: Some some.
Speaker Change: Stronger production aspirations in the back half of the year.
Timothy Flanagan: And then you kind of partially touched on this, but can you just maybe touch on this production volume disconnect and maybe tied to how your inventory went up? I think you're correct. Add some additional inventory. U.S. And I guess if we're kind of thinking about going forward, should the production and volume kind of be a little bit more. Just maybe how to think about. Thank you. Yeah, maybe just thinking about a couple of key facts here. The, you know, the first one is that our goal is to minimize our production. And one of the ways that we can do that is by level loading our production so that at periods later in the year, we can avoid premium costs that we might otherwise be incurring.
Speaker Change: And then.
Speaker Change: Partially touched on this but could you just maybe touch on this production volume disconnect and maybe tied to how your inventory went up I think you are kind of.
Speaker Change: Some additional inventory.
Speaker Change: The U S.
Speaker Change: And I guess, if we're kind of thinking about going forward should production of volume kind of be a little bit more again, just maybe how to think about.
Speaker Change: Kind of the cadence of that.
Speaker Change: That's it for me.
Speaker Change: Yes, maybe just thinking about a couple of key facts here.
Speaker Change: First one is that our goal is to.
Speaker Change: Minimize our production cost and <unk>.
Speaker Change: One of the ways that we can do that is by level loading our production. So that at periods later in the year. We can avoid premium costs that we might otherwise be incurred and so we made the decision that it was worse.
Timothy Flanagan: And so we made the decision that it was worth it was worth investing in a little bit of inventory right now in order to to keep our costs lower as we head into the back half of the year. And so, we have also said, and we continue to be committed to that over the course of the year, our production will generally align with our sales rate. And so, the inventory build that we took in the first quarter of the year was planned, and it was what we expected to do. And it's really just part of executing our annual plans, and that inventory will come out of the system over the course of the year as sales ramp in the back half.
Speaker Change: It was worth investing in a little bit of inventory right now in order to keep our costs lower as we head into the back half of the year.
Speaker Change: And so.
Speaker Change: We have also said and we continue to be.
Speaker Change: We committed to.
Speaker Change: Over the course of the year, our production will will generally aligned with our sales rate and so.
Speaker Change: And so the inventory build that we took in the first quarter of the year was planned and it was what we expected to do and it's really just part of executing our annual plans and that inventory will come out of the system over the course of the year as sales ramp in the back half.
Unknown Executive: Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Thanks.
Yeah.
Speaker Change: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session I will now hand, the call back over to Mr. Flanagan for closing comments.
Timothy Flanagan: This concludes our question and answer session.
Unknown Executive: I will now hand the call back over to Mr. Flanagan for closing comments. Thank you, Jenny. I'd like to thank everyone on the call for your interest in GrafTech, and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter.
Mr. Flanagan: Thank you Jenny I would like to thank everyone on the call for your interest in <unk> and we look forward to speaking with you next quarter have a great day.
Unknown Executive: Have a great day. Thank you.
Speaker Change: Thank you.
Unknown Executive: Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining.
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