Q1 2025 Stem Inc Earnings Call
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Operator: Greetings and welcome to the STEM Inc. first quarter 2025 results conference. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode.
Greetings and welcome to the Stem Inc. First quarter 2025 results conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation.
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Ted Durbin: As a reminder, this conference call is being It is now my pleasure to introduce Ted Durbin, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead. Thank you, Operator.
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Speaker Change: Thank you operator this is Ted Durbin head of Investor Relations and welcome to our first quarter 2025 earnings call before we begin. Please note that some of the statements we'll be making today are forward looking.
Ted Durbin: This is Ted Durbin, Head of Investor Relations at Stem. Welcome to our first quarter 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that some of the statements we will be making today are forward looking. These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from those projected in these statements.
Speaker Change: These matters involve risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from those projected in these statements.
Ted Durbin: We therefore refer you to our latest 10-Q, 10-K, and other SEC filings, including the supplemental materials, which can be found on our website. Our comments today also include non-GAAP financial measures. Additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our earnings release, which is on our website.
Speaker Change: Therefore refer you to our latest 10-Q, 10-K, and other SEC filings, including a supplemental materials, which can be found on our website.
Speaker Change: Our comments today also include non-GAAP financial measures additional details and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our earnings release, which is on our website.
Ted Durbin: Arun Narayanan, CEO and Doran Hole, CFO and EVP will start the call today with prepared remarks and then we will take your questions. And now we'll turn the call over to Arun. Thanks, Ted. Hello, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today. We made significant progress advancing our strategic priorities in the first quarter with early success evident in our results.
Iran: Now regarding T O enduring whole CFO and EVP will start the call today with prepared remarks, and then we will take your questions and now I will turn the call over to Iran.
Iran: Thanks, Hello, everyone and thank you all for joining us today.
Iran: Made significant progress advancing our strategic priorities in the first quarter with early success evident before.
Arun Narayanan: But before diving into these results and our outlook, I want to highlight important changes we have recently implemented in how we structure our business internally. Since becoming CEO, a key priority has been implementing organizational adjustments to realize our strategic shift. We have transformed our operating model by establishing four distinct business units that clearly define how we organize and run our business. Our four business units are Software, Professional Services, Managed Services, and OEM Hardware. Each unit will have full P&L responsibility and accountability for their financial performance, including EBITDA and cash flow metrics. This new structure represents an intentional shift in how we manage our business.
Iran: So diving into these results and our outlook I want to highlight important changes we have recently implemented and how we structure our business internally.
Iran: Since becoming CEO, a key priority has been implementing organizational adjustments to realize our strategic shift.
Iran: We have transformed operating model by establishing four distinct business units, that's clearly define how we organize and run our business.
Iran: All four business units, our software professional services managed services and OEM cadre. Each unit will have full P&L responsibility and accountability for their financial performance, including EBITDA and cash flow metrics.
Iran: This new structure represents an intentional shift in how we manage our business.
Arun Narayanan: And we believe it will deliver multiple strategic benefits. It empowers our leaders to make efficient, market-responsive decisions about resource allocation and investment priorities. The new structure also enables more precise tracking of return on investment across our portfolio, allowing us to optimize capital deployment towards our highest growth opportunities.
Iran: And we believe it will deliver multiple strategic benefits.
Iran: Empowers our leaders to make efficient market responsive decisions about resource allocation and investment priorities.
Iran: The new structure also enables more precise tracking of return on investment across our portfolio.
Iran: Having us to optimize capital deployment towards our highest growth opportunities.
Arun Narayanan: Additional details about these business units are available in our supplemental materials on the IR website. I'd like to once again emphasize that while these business units guide our internal operations, they may differ from external reporting segments. We look forward to sharing more about these changes and their impact in the coming quarters.
Iran: And if so details about these business units are available in our supplemental materials on the IR website.
Iran: I'd like to once again emphasize that while these business units and guide our internal operations.
Iran: They decide from external reporting segments.
Iran: Look forward to sharing more about these changes and their impact in the coming quarters.
Arun Narayanan: Directly related to these changes in how we organize and run our business, on April 9th, we announced a targeted 27% reduction in force that we expect to result in $30 million of annual cash cost savings, including an expected $24 million cash benefit in 2025. These reductions were thoughtful and consistent with our software-focused strategy and will preserve our ability to grow software revenue. To that end, we maintain the full strength of our Powertrack team, which is central to our near-term growth strategy. Our changes also preserve our ability to honor commitments to customers across all business areas.
Iran: Directly related to these changes and how we organize and run our business on April nine we announced a targeted 27% reduction in force that we expect to result in $30 million of annual cash cost savings, including unexpected $24 million cash burn.
Iran: In 2025, these reductions with topsail inconsistent with our software focused strategy and will preserve our ability to grow software revenue.
Did that and we maintained the full strength of our powered track team, which is central to our near term growth strategy.
Iran: Our changes also preserves our ability to honor our commitments to customers across all business areas.
Arun Narayanan: This restructuring was a critical step for us to execute on our three key priorities, which I laid out on our fourth quarter earnings call in early March. First, to grow our software revenue with a renewed focus on Powertrack. Second, to reduce our cost structure and drive profitability. And third, to revamp our software development. I'm pleased to say that we have made definitive progress on all three priorities.
Iran: This restructuring was a critical step for us to execute on our three key priorities, which I laid out on our fourth quarter earnings call in early March.
Iran: First to grow our software revenue with a renewed focus on powertrain.
Iran: Second to reduce our cost structure and drive profitability and tied to revamp our software development.
Iran: I'm pleased to say that we have made definitive progress on all three priorities.
Arun Narayanan: Let's begin with an update on our refined strategy that is focused on growing software revenue. As I mentioned earlier this year, one of the key factors that drew me to Stem was Powertrack's distinctive position and strong reputation in the market. Powertrack is a market leader in the commercial and industrial, or C&I, segment of solar asset monitoring software. During the first quarter, Solar Annual Recurring Revenue, or ARR, was up 10% sequentially and up 24% year-over-year. These results clearly demonstrate the tangible success we are having in growing our business to provide more scalable, recurring, and profitable revenue.
Iran: Let's begin with an update on our defined strategy that is focused on growing software revenue as I mentioned earlier. This year one of the key factors that drove me to Stan was protracted distinctive position and strong reputation in the market.
Iran: Star Trek is a market leader in the commercial and industrial or C&I segment of solar asset monitoring software.
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Iran: Well, it's up 10% sequentially and up 24% year over year.
These results clearly demonstrate the tangible success, we are having in growing our business to provide more scalable recurring and profitable revenue streams.
Arun Narayanan: We are continuing to invest in Powertrack to be able to serve smaller utility scale customers, which to us generally means in the range of 20 to 100 megawatts. Utility scale deployments are much larger than CNI and our market share in this segment is modest, presenting significant growth opportunities. We are seeing momentum in utility scale, with nearly triple the bookings in the first quarter compared to the same period last year.
Iran: We are continuing to invest in powertrain to be able to serve smaller utility scale customized Mitch to ask generally means in the range of 2200 megawatts.
Iran: Utility scale deployments are much larger than C&I and our market share in this segment is modest presenting significant growth opportunities.
Iran: We are seeing momentum in utility scale with nearly triple the bookings in the first quarter compared to the same period last year.
Arun Narayanan: We are also investing to grow our software deployment presence in international markets.
Iran: We are also investing to grow our software deployment presence in international markets.
Iran: Yeah.
Arun Narayanan: Managed services, including our storage software, Athena, also performed well in the first quarter. We drove storage ARR higher by 4% sequentially and 31% over the same period last year. Our software continues to deliver substantial value and ROI to our customers, who continue to face challenges in maximizing the value of their energy storage assets. Our strategic focus for storage is centered on software and services, particularly for brownfield opportunities that enable faster revenue conversion.
Iran: Managed services, including our studio software Athena also performed well in the first quarter.
Iran: V drove storage E L are higher by 4% sequentially and 31% over the same period last year.
Iran: Our software continues to deliver substantial value and how do I to our customers who continue to face challenges in maximizing the value of their energy storage assets.
Iran: Strategic focus for storage is centered on software and services.
Iran: Particularly for brownfield opportunities that enable faster revenue conversion.
Iran: Yeah.
Arun Narayanan: Additionally, we are experiencing growing momentum in our professional services offering. Our team of industry experts has established themselves as trusted advisors and thought leaders in the clean energy sector. We are excited about this offering because these professional service engagements can in turn drive downstream business development opportunities for our software solutions.
Iran: Additionally, we are experiencing growing momentum in our professional services offering.
Iran: Team of industry experts has established himself as trusted advisors and thought leaders in the clean energy sector.
Iran: We are excited about this offering because these professional service engagements and in turn drive downstream business development opportunity for our software solutions.
Iran: Yeah.
Arun Narayanan: Now a discussion of our second focus area, cost savings and profitability. During the first quarter of 2025, we reached several significant profitability miles. We delivered strong growth margins driven by robust growth across our high-margin software, services, and edge device offerings. Additionally, we generated positive quarterly cash flow from operations for the first time in our history. We believe this validates both our refined business model and strategic execution. Importantly, our first quarter results do not reflect the financial benefit we expect to realize from the organizational changes and cost savings we recently implemented. We expect to see improving profitability as we move through the year.
Iran: Now a discussion of our second focus area cost savings and profitability.
Iran: During the first quarter of 2025 reached several significant profitability milestones, we delivered strong gross margins driven by robust growth across our high margin software services and edge device offerings.
Iran: Additionally, we generated positive quarterly cash flow from operations for the first time in our history.
Iran: We believe this validates both our defined business model and strategic execution.
Iran: Importantly, our first quarter results do not reflect the financial benefit we expect to realize from the organizational changes and cost savings we recently implemented.
Iran: We expect to see improving profitability as we move through the year.
Iran: Yeah.
Arun Narayanan: Lastly, let's discuss our third priority, our software development revamp. We are focused on protecting and expanding Powertrack's success in the CNI market through continuous product refinement, investment in differentiating product capabilities, and responding to customer feedback. We continue to develop our Powertrack EMS software with the goal of entering new markets such as when projects deploy stand-alone storage or co-located solar and storage installations. We are excited to soon bring to market software that brings the asset monitoring capabilities we have mastered in solar to both storage and hybrid assets.
Iran: Lastly, let's discuss our third priority our software development revert.
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Iran: Through continuous product refinement investment in differentiating product capabilities and responding to customer feedback.
Iran: Continue to develop our biotech mes software with the goal of entering new markets, such as mining projects deploy standalone storage of co located solar and storage installations.
Iran: We are excited to soon bring to market software that brings the asset monitoring capabilities, we have masthead in solar devote storage and hybrid assets.
Iran: Yeah.
Arun Narayanan: As part of our portfolio review, we have made the difficult decision to pause on further development of two products, PowerBetter Pro and Asset Performance Management or APM. Looking forward, our refined software roadmap emphasizes AI integration across our development process and product suite, positioning us to accelerate the delivery of innovative solutions to our customers. As mentioned in the previous call, we are aiming to bring a step change to developer productivity by using generative AI methods in our life cycle, and we will have updates in future earnings calls.
Iran: As part of our portfolio review, we have made the difficult decision to pause on further development of two products, followed that approach and asset performance management or a P. M.
Iran: Looking forward, our science off added with map emphasizes AI integration across our development process and product suite positioning us to accelerate the delivery of innovative solutions to our customers.
Iran: As mentioned in the previous calls we are aiming to bring a step change to devin productivity by using generative AI methods in our lifecycle and we will have updates in future earnings calls.
Arun Narayanan: I would also like to address the current macro environment. While the clean energy sector faces uncertainty due to evolving economic and regulatory policies, we are maintaining our upward momentum. Today, our booking space and pipeline development remain robust across our core office. Our software and service offerings are largely exempt from the current types of tariffs being considered. Some of our offerings, such as Powertrack-compatible edge computing devices, will face a limited tariff exposure. These generally pass through to our customers. On the OEM storage resales business, which forms a smaller portion of revenue, we will work with our suppliers and customers to negotiate tariff absorption or diversify to domestic suppliers.
Iran: I would also like to address the current macro environment.
Iran: While the clean energy sector faces uncertainty due to evolving economic and regulatory policies, we are maintaining our upward momentum.
So they are booking space and pipeline development remained robust across our core offerings.
Iran: Our software and service offerings are largely exempt from the current types of pad is being considered.
Iran: Some of our offerings such as power track compatible edge computing devices Little space are limited tariff exposure. These generally pass through to our customers.
Iran: On the OEM storage resales business, which forms a smaller portion of revenue even work with our suppliers and customers to negotiate tariff absorption our diversified to domestic suppliers.
Arun Narayanan: With all this in mind, we are pleased to reiterate our full year 2025 financial guidance across all metrics.
Iran: With all this in mind, we are pleased to reiterate our full year 'twenty 25 financial guidance across all metrics.
Arun Narayanan: Lastly, I want to welcome both Vasudev and Guruswami, and Krishna Shivram, who have joined our board recently. They both bring significant energy industry, financial, and technology expertise to the board, and I am glad to have them with us.
Iran: Lastly, I want to welcome both lots of they've been good as Swamy and Krishna Chevron, who have joined our board recently, they both bring significant energy industry financial and technology expertise to the board and I'm glad to have them with us.
Doran Hole: With that, let me turn the call over to Doris. Thanks, Arun. I'll start with a quick review of our first quarter 2025 financial performance. Overall, our quarterly results were in line with the expected cadence of our 2025 guidance that we announced on our last quarterly call. Total revenue was up 27% year over year, driven by strong growth across the business. Importantly, software revenue was up 17% versus Q1 2024, reflecting continued strong performance from Powertrack and increased storage software activation. We generated a record gap gross margin of 32% and our non-gap gross margin of 46% was close to an all-time high.
David: With that let me turn the call over to David.
Iran: Thanks Arun.
David: I'll start with a quick review of our first quarter 2025 financial performance.
David: Overall, our quarterly results were in line with the expected cadence of our 2025 guidance that we announced on our last quarterly call.
David: Revenue was up 27% year over year, driven by strong growth across the business.
David: Importantly software revenue was up 17% versus Q1 2024, reflecting continued strong performance from power track and increased storage software activations.
David: We generated a record GAAP gross margin of 32% and our non-GAAP gross margin of 46% was close to an all time high.
Doran Hole: The significant margin expansion versus prior years evidences the value of our refined strategy focused on higher margin software and services revenue while reducing our reliance on battery hardware resale. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter, improved versus Q1 2024, not only driven by margin expansion, but also by continued operating cost disparities. We generated $9 million of operating cash flow, which, as Arun mentioned, is the first quarter of positive operating cash flow. We think this milestone proves that the company is on the right strategic path. Additionally, we generated just over $2 million in net cash during the quarter, growing our cash balance to $59 million at quarter end.
David: The significant margin expansion versus prior years evidence is the value of our refined strategy focused on higher margin software and services revenue, while reducing our reliance on battery hardware resale.
David: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter improved versus Q1 2020 for not only driven by margin expansion, but also by continued operating cost discipline.
David: We generated $9 million of operating cash flow, which is Arun mentioned as the first quarter of positive operating cash flow.
David: We think this milestone proves that the company is on the right strategic path.
David: Additionally, we generated just over $2 million in net cash during the quarter growing our cash balance to $59 million at quarter end.
Doran Hole: We plan to remain disciplined with our dedication to cash conservation, margin improvement and working capital usage.
David: We plan to remain disciplined with our dedication to cash conservation margin improvement and working capital usage.
Doran Hole: Turning to our operating metrics. As we announced during our fourth quarter earnings call, we've introduced enhanced operating metrics that should provide stakeholders with better visibility into the key drivers of our financial results. During the first quarter of 2025, contracted backlog and CAR both increased sequentially, largely due to solar bookings. Total bookings were lower sequentially due to slight seasonality in this metric. We generally see heavier bookings in the second half of the year. We saw solid growth in solar ARR and AUM and in storage ARR versus the fourth quarter of last year. Storage AUM sequentially declined slightly because we removed the AUM associated with PowerBitter Pro, which we are deemphasizing as Arun discussed previously.
David: Turning to our operating metrics.
David: As we announced during our fourth quarter earnings call. We've introduced enhanced operating metrics that should provide stakeholders with better visibility into the key drivers of our financial results.
During the first quarter of 2025 contracted backlog and car both increased sequentially largely due to solar bookings.
David: Total bookings were lower sequentially due to slight seasonality in this metric, we generally see heavier bookings in the second half of the year.
David: We saw solid growth in solar and.
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Doran Hole: Now on to guidance. Today we are pleased to reaffirm across all metrics the 2025 guidance we announced last quarter. As Arun said, our revenue performance and expectations for 2025 remain solid, despite recent economic policy changes and uncertainty. At this point, we see no discernible slowdown in deployments by our customers. Our backlog is solid and we have good visibility on ARR and revenue growth thanks in part to our enhanced focus on driving the newly announced business unit. From a margin perspective, we expect to pass through any tariff-related impacts to customers while preserving our target margin. Regarding our Adjusted EBITDA and Operating Cash Flow Outlook, we are on track to meet our targets.
David: Now onto guidance.
David: Today, we're pleased to reaffirm across all metrics, the 2025 guidance, we announced last quarter.
David: Has it been said our revenue performance and expectations for 2025 remains solid despite recent economic policy changes and uncertainty.
David: At this point, we see no discernible slowdown in deployments by our customers. Our backlog is solid and we have good visibility on a R. R and revenue growth. Thanks in part to our enhanced focus on driving the newly announced business units.
David: From a margin perspective, we expect to pass through any tariff related impacts to customers, while preserving our target margins.
David: Regarding our adjusted EBITDA and operating cash flow outlook, we are on track to meet our targets. Our recent cost optimization efforts, including the targeted workforce reductions are expected to yield immediate and lasting financial benefits.
Doran Hole: Our recent cost optimization efforts, including the targeted workforce reduction, are expected to yield immediate and lasting financial benefit. These efforts are expected to generate $30 million in annual cash cost savings, with $24 million of that benefit realized this year. While our headcount reduction was 27 percent, we expect to achieve dollar savings in the high 30 percent range, substantially exceeding our initial target of 20 percent that we talked about last quarter.
David: These efforts are expected to generate $30 million in annual cash cost savings with $24 million of that benefit realized this year.
David: While our head count reduction was 27% we expect to achieve dollar savings in the high 30% range substantially exceeding our initial target of 20% that we talked about last quarter.
Doran Hole: And lastly, on liquidity, we believe our solid cash position provides us with sufficient runway to execute our business plan. As Arun discussed, in April, we implemented a new business unit structure. As part of these changes, we plan to enhance our financial transparency through segment reporting. We think that this increased visibility will provide our investors with deeper insights into the value propositions and performance drivers across our different business lines.
David: And lastly on liquidity, we believe our solid cash position provides us with sufficient runway to execute our business plans.
David: As <unk> discussed in April we implemented a new business unit structure as.
David: As part of these changes we plan to enhance our financial transparency through segment reporting.
David: We think that this increased visibility will provide our investors with deeper insights into the value propositions and performance drivers across our different business lines.
Doran Hole: The organizational changes mark a significant milestone in STEM's evolution in support of the strategy shift announced last fall, positioning us to drive stronger financial discipline, accelerate smart decision making, and ultimately deliver enhanced shareholder value through more focused execution. While we expect to provide insight to investors on the financial performance of these business units, the formal segmentation in our financial reports may differ slightly.
David: The organizational changes Mark a significant milestone in stems evolution in support of this strategy shift announced last fall positioning us to drive stronger financial discipline accelerate smart decision, making and ultimately deliver enhanced shareholder value through more focused.
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David: While we expect to provide insight to investors on the financial performance of these business units the formal segmentation in our financial reports may differ slightly.
Doran Hole: Finally, we issued our definitive proxy statement last week and sent our shareholder vote for June 4th. As we mentioned last quarter, we have asked shareholders to approve a reverse stock split of our common stock. This reverse split is intended to allow us to regain compliance with New York Stock Exchange listing standards.
David: Finally, we issued our definitive proxy statement last week instead, our shareholder vote for June 4th as we mentioned last quarter, we have asked shareholders to approve a reverse stock split of our common stock.
David: This reverse split is intended to allow us to regain compliance with New York stock exchange listing standards.
Arun Narayanan: Now I will pass the call back over to Arun for closing remarks. Thanks, Doran.
David: Now I will pass the call back over to Arun for closing remarks, thanks Don.
Arun Narayanan: In closing, I want to directly address our team, our customers, and our investors. First to our team. We have recently undergone significant organizational changes, including a difficult but necessary 27% reduction in our workforce. To those individuals who have departed STEM, we are grateful for your contributions. To our current team members, I recognize this period of change creates uncertainty and challenges. Your resilience, professionalism, and unwavering focus on customer success during these changes has been remarkable and is part of what attracted me to Stem in the first place.
David: In closing I want to directly address our team our customers.
David: And our investors.
David: First to our team.
David: We have recently undergone significant organizational changes, including a difficult, but necessary, 27% reduction in our workforce.
David: Those individuals who have deposits than we are grateful for your contributions.
David: So our current team members I recognized this period of change creates uncertainty and challenges.
Speaker Change: Yeah resilience professionalism and unwavering focus on customer success. During these changes has been remarkable and it's part of what attracted me to stand in the first place.
Arun Narayanan: Second, to our customers, we remain committed to providing you with superior software and services that maximize the value of your storage and solar assets. We are doubling down on our commitment to enhance the features and functionality of our software products to deliver the insights and performance you need. Our financial position is getting stronger and we are all well positioned to grow with you throughout the market cycle.
David: Second to our customers.
David: We remain committed to providing you with superior software and services that maximize the value of your storage and solar assets, we are doubling down on our commitment to enhance the features and functionality of our software products to deliver the insights and performance you need a.
David: Our financial position is getting stronger and we are all well positioned to grow with you throughout the market cycles.
Arun Narayanan: Lastly, to our investors, we are appreciative of your support and trust in the company and that you are standing with us. We are now better positioned for sustainable growth. We believe that our refined product focus on our core software and services, along with our streamlined organization, strengthen our path to profitability. With our industry-leading solutions and dedicated team, I remain confident in STEM's future.
David: Lastly to our investors.
David: Appreciative of your support and trust in the company and that you are standing with US we are now better positioned for sustainable growth.
David: Believe that out of refined products focus on our core software and services along with our streamlined organization.
David: And our path to profitability.
David: Our industry, leading solutions and dedicated team I remain confident in <unk> future.
Operator: With that, operator, let's open the line for questions. Thank you.
David: With that operator, let's open the line for questions. Please.
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Speaker Change: One moment, please while we poll for questions.
Justin Clare: Our first question is from Justin Clare with Roth Capital. Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. Justin, I wanted to start off here just on the bookings environment and how that's evolving. So given the tariffs, just wondering, you know, how is your ability to secure, you know, new storage bookings for U.S. projects potentially being affected? And then I'm just thinking through for customers that might not have batteries in the U.S. right now, are your customers looking to contract, whether it's for, you know, batteries that would be sourced domestically from Southeast Asia or even potentially from China?
Speaker Change: Our first question is from Justin Clare with Roth Capital Partners.
Justin Clare: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.
Justin Clare: I just wanted to start off I wanted to start off here just on the bookings environment and how that's evolving.
Justin Clare: So given the tariffs just wondering how is your ability to secure new storage bookings for U S projects potentially being affected and then I'm just thinking through for customers that might not have batteries in the U S right now.
Justin Clare: Are your customers looking to contract whether it's for.
Justin Clare: Batteries that would be sourced domestically.
Justin Clare: Southeast Asia, or even potentially from from China, just wondering if it's our people and kind of a wait and see mode or are you still seeing contracting.
Justin Clare: Just wondering if it's, are people in kind of a wait-and-see mode or are you still seeing contracting in the current environment? Thanks, Justin.
Justin Clare: In the current environment.
Joe: Thanks, Joe So just storing all I'll try to take a stab at this one first.
Torin: It's Torin. I'll try to take a stab at this one first, but I'll open by saying, I guess it's just kind of a reminder as far as looking at the overall guidance for the year. The OEM hardware sales, like the battery transactions you're talking about, are not a significant component of the business going forward. So while we're continuing to have really active dialogues with the customers that we've got in our backlog and those who are close to PO, we're looking at all of the, well, volatility and what the tariffs may end up looking like, etc., and we've been in direct contact with probably the three major OEM providers that we've been integrating with and spending quite a bit of time on what the tariffs will look like.
Justin Clare: Opened by saying you you.
Joe: It's just a.
Joe: Kind of a reminder, as far as looking at the overall guidance for the year. The OEM hardware sales like the battery transactions Youre talking about are not <unk>.
Joe: Significant component of the business going forward. So while we're continuing to have really active dialogues with the customers that we've got in our backlog and those who are close to P. O.
Joe: We are looking at.
Joe: All of the well volatility in what the tariffs may end up looking like et cetera, and we've been in direct contact with.
Joe: Probably the three major.
Joe: I am providers, we've been integrating with and spending quite a bit of time on on what the tariffs will look like however, when I look at our overall plan for the year the.
Torin: However, when I look at our overall plan for the year, the cadence of those types of POs at this point in time isn't really impacting our outcome. I don't think I can get into the nuances of particular countries or particular directions at this point. But of course, as you know, we deal with both domestic and Chinese players. Right, right. Okay.
Joe: The cadence of those types of pillows and at this point in time is really impacting our outcomes.
Joe: At least not at this stage I don't think I can get into the nuances of particular countries or particular directions. At this point, but of course as you know we deal with both domestic and.
Joe: And Chinese players there.
Joe: Right right, Okay, I guess, what I'm trying to get at is you.
Torin: I guess what I'm trying to get at is, is, you know, you may not be selling the hardware yourself. But if there's a limited supply of hardware, it might be a tougher environment for you to contract the software for storage projects. And so I guess I'm wondering if that's being affected. And then I guess it's possible it could be affected on the solar side as well, but maybe to a lesser extent. Maybe could you talk about that in regards to solar and storage?
Joe: You may not be selling the hardware yourself, but if.
Joe: There is a limited supply of hardware it might be a tougher environment for you to contract.
Speaker Change: The software for storage projects, and so I guess I'm wondering if that's being affected and then I guess, it's possible it could be affected on the solar side as well, but maybe to a lesser extent, maybe could you talk about that in regards to the solar and storage.
Torin: I'll tackle both of those. So, the plan for 2025 is largely driven by activations of things that we've already got in the, kind of, call it contracted backlog or in CAR, where, you know, our managed service offerings are just really dependent upon activations. These are projects that batteries are already on the ground, and we're, you know, they're going through the process of finalizing construction, commissioning, et cetera, and that's really, kind of, what we're looking at for 2025 on the storage side for managed services. When you move into solar, we, as you intimate, have not noticed a real slowdown there in terms of our book.
Speaker Change: Sure I'll tackle both of those so the plan for 2025 is largely driven by Activations are things that we've already got in the kind of call it contracted backlog or in car, where our managed service offerings or you're just really dependent upon activations. These are projects that batteries.
Speaker Change: Right.
Speaker Change: And where.
Speaker Change: They're going through the process of finalizing construction commissioning et cetera, and that's really kind of what we're looking at for 2025 on the storage side for managed services.
Speaker Change: When you move into solar.
Speaker Change: We as you intimate have not no.
Speaker Change: Just a real slowdown there in terms of our bookings bookings continued to be strong.
Torin: We are constantly out there talking to customers, as you know, and we're not really seeing a significant impact there. And as you know, the systems, first of all, software and services doesn't really hit tariffs. But really what we're talking about here is the pace of deployment. And the pace of deployment, we haven't seen slowdown at this point in time at this juncture. You know, our customers are still developing new projects. They're still mapping out construction of new projects. And our edge device and software solution is something that comes, you know, kind of at construction time.
Speaker Change: We are constantly out there talking to customers as you know.
Speaker Change: We're not really seeing a significant impact there.
Speaker Change: As you know the system first of all software and services doesn't really hit tariffs, but really what we're talking about here is the pace of deployment and the pace of deployment, we haven't seen slowdown.
Speaker Change: At this point in time at this juncture you know our customers are still <unk>.
Speaker Change: Developing new projects Theres still mapping out construction of new projects and our edge devices and software solution is something that comes kind of construction time.
Torin: It's a very small line item in the overall construction cost. And we feel very comfortable that... If we do end up with some tariff impact, we'll be able to pass along those costs to our customers without much resistance.
Speaker Change: It's a very small line item in the overall construction cost and.
Speaker Change: We feel very comfortable that.
Speaker Change: If we do end up with some tariff impact will be able to pass along those costs to our customers.
Speaker Change: How much resistance. Justin this is answer that question and I'll just add one piece of it I mean I would like you all do just maybe think about ourselves as something that adds value to our customers' operations.
Arun Narayanan: Justin, this is Arun answering the question. Can I just add one piece to it? I mean, I would like y'all to just maybe think about our software as something that adds value to our customers' operations. And there's always an opportunity for us to continue to sell. additional value added components into that customer account as well. So activations and deployments in new deployments is one dimension, but continued engagement with the same customer is perhaps another dimension to think about. Got it, okay.
Speaker Change: And there's always an opportunity for us to continue to sell additional value added components into that customer account. So activations in deployment in new deployments is one dimension, but.
Speaker Change: Continued engagement with the same customer as perhaps another dimension to think about it is that.
Speaker Change: Got it okay.
Justin Clare: One more just on the comments that you made in the prepared remarks. It sounds like you expect improving profitability quarter by quarter this year. Just wondering if you could share a little bit about more what the drivers are. So are you anticipating primarily the improvement to come from the OPEX reductions that you've announced, or do you see revenue growth or potential gross margin expansion as we move through the year?
Speaker Change: One more.
Speaker Change: Just on the comments that you made in the prepared remarks, it sounds like you expect improving profitability quarter by quarter.
Speaker Change: This year, just wondering if you could share a little bit about more what the what the drivers are so are you anticipating.
Speaker Change: Primarily the improvement to come from the Opex reductions that you've announced or do you see revenue growth for potential gross margin expansion as we move through the year.
Torin: Okay, just to take a stab at it before I hand over to Don as well, there are dimensions to it as well. One is the nature of revenue and the fact that the cyclicality pushes the revenue towards the second half of the year. is one piece. That affects operational profitability quarter by quarter, but then the other piece, obviously, is the way we are looking at managing operating expenses, as well as opportunities that we continue to look at in that space beyond the reduction in force and trying to bring efficiency.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Take a stab at it before I hand over to Don is that is there a dimension to it is that one of.
Speaker Change: The nature of our revenue and the fact that the cyclicality pushes the revenue towards the second half of figure.
Speaker Change: Is one piece.
Speaker Change: Ah patient thoughtful ability quarter by quarter, but then the other piece obviously is the way we are looking at managing operating expenses as well as opportunities that we continue to look at in that space beyond the reduction enforced and trying to bring efficiency.
Speaker Change: That we do.
Doran Hole: And Justin and Storen, I would only add that that ability to really hone in on margins and operating expenses on a business unit by business unit basis is now much more clear for us going forward with the four business units. Okay. All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Justin.
Speaker Change: Adjusted net store and I would only add that that ability to really hone in on.
Speaker Change: Margins and operating expenses on a business unit by business unit basis is now.
Speaker Change: Much more clear for us.
Speaker Change: Going forward with the with four business units.
Speaker Change: Got it okay, alright, thanks, guys.
Speaker Change: Thanks Jess.
Thomas Boyes: Our next question is from Thomas Boyes with TD County. Appreciate you taking the questions. Maybe the first one, just on the brownfield opportunity that you highlighted in the prepared remarks, you know, it's kind of a way to sidestep, you know, interconnection, congestion and things that have been, you know, plaguing me, the energy sector at large, you know, are there specific geographies that you're, you're targeting for first, or I'm trying to get a better understanding of maybe the size of that opportunity? Thank you.
Speaker Change: Our next question is from Thomas Boyes with TD Cowen.
Speaker Change: I appreciate you taking the questions maybe the first one just on the brownfield opportunity that you highlighted in the prepared remarks.
Speaker Change: Kind of a way to sidestep interconnection congestion and things.
Speaker Change: Plaguing me.
Speaker Change: Energy.
Speaker Change: Sector at large are there specific geographies that youre targeting for first or I mean, I'm trying to get a better understanding of maybe the size of that opportunity.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Doran Hole: So this is Doran. I'll tell you, geographically speaking, I think that we've got some core geographies where we operated our managed service. And as you've seen, our assets under management continue to grow. What we're seeing is a lot of opportunities for the market shifting and changing providers in those particular cases. There's not a single geography where that is jumping out as being attractive. I think it's a little bit more broad-based, but it is very much connected to the geographies where we are already operating.
Doron: So this is doron.
Doron: Tell you geographically speaking I think that we've got some core geographies, where we operate our managed service.
Doron: Yes.
Doron: Platform.
Speaker Change: And as you've seen our assets under management continue to grow what we're seeing is a lot of opportunities for.
Speaker Change: The market shifting and changing providers in those particular cases, there's not a single geography, where that is jumping out as being.
Speaker Change: Being attractive I think it's a little bit more broad based but it is very much connected to the geography geographies, where we are already operating managed services as a business line requires you to one company to step up and stand up a.
Doran Hole: Managed services, as a business line, requires you to, one, like a company, to step up and stand up a platform, a rock, the services, individuals who need to be actually working the software tools in order to actually bring value to the customers. The more volume we have running through in terms of megawatt hours, gigawatt hours, the more profitable that business line is going to become. Those brownfield opportunities, therefore, really do present a good opportunity for us. We don't have anything in particular to announce today, but we are... pursuing a number of situations in that area.
Speaker Change: Our platform of rock the services.
Speaker Change: Individuals who each be actually working the software tools in order to actually bring value to the customers and the more volume we have running through in terms of megawatt hours gigawatt towards the more profitable that business line is going to become and those brownfield opportunities. Therefore really do present a good opportunity.
Speaker Change: For us and we are.
Speaker Change: Don't have anything in particular to announce today, but we are.
Speaker Change: Pursuing a number of situations in that in that area.
Speaker Change: Great and I appreciate it.
Speaker Change: Great.
Doran Hole: There's one other dimension on it is... Managed services and brownfields is one thing. If you look at Powertrack and the ability to deploy into Powertrack, there are remarks that we have made, maybe to think about it in three groups. One group is the C&I group, or the C&I segment, which is growing and are dominating market share in that space. What we can do in the utility scale space as we bring Powertrack EMS online, as well as the ability to grow internationally into other markets as well. So I've had to look at what we're on. Understood, appreciate that.
Speaker Change: There's one other dimension on it is.
Speaker Change: Managed services and Brownfields is one thing if you look at contract and the ability to deploy in the powertrain.
Speaker Change: There are they're not affecting you mean, maybe you could think about it in three groups. One group is the C&I group.
Speaker Change: The C&I segment, which is growing.
Speaker Change: Dominant dominating market share in that space, what we can do in the utility scale space as we bring protract the EMS online as well as the ability to grow internationally and to other markets as well.
Speaker Change: So if you look at an overall picture.
Speaker Change: Understood I appreciate that maybe just as my follow up My second question is just could you speak to the nature of the power bidder pro contracts.
Thomas Boyes: Maybe my follow-up or my second question is just, you know, could you speak to the nature of the PowerBidder Pro contract, you know, the kind of removal from NASA's under management? Was this from customers where since you, you know, discontinued, you know, active development for the product that they elected not to continue? And then, you know, I just wanted to better understand maybe the rationale for de-emphasizing that product. Is it just the, it's difficult to differentiate market participation software. It's, you know, competitive and maybe not worth the time and attention. Just really interested for your thoughts there.
Speaker Change: They're kind of removal from assets under management was this from customers, where since you discontinued active development for the product that they elected not to continue and then.
Speaker Change: I just wanted to better understand maybe the rationale for deemphasizing.
Speaker Change: That product is it just the.
Speaker Change: It's difficult to differentiate market presentation software, it's competitive and maybe not worth the time and attention just interested in your thoughts there.
Arun Narayanan: Thomas, this is Arun. You've mentioned many of the contributing factors in your question itself. As we look at a software strategy, we want to make investments based on the overall growth potential and our ability to execute and actually deliver that growth on a period-by-period basis. So looking at all of those factors, we think it's best for us to focus on Powertrack and associated offerings. In the store, and I'll just add from a financial metric perspective as you're looking at the numbers, you'll probably notice a slight decrease in the assets under management on the storage side.
Adam: Thomas This is Adam.
Speaker Change: You had mentioned many of the contributing factors in your question itself.
Speaker Change: I V. As you look at our software strategy, we want to make investments based on overall growth potential and our ability to execute and actually deliver that growth on on a period by period basis.
Speaker Change: So looking at all of those factors, we think it's best for us to focus on power cracker and associated offering and that's what we're doing.
Speaker Change: And this is Joanne I will just add from a financial metric perspective as you are looking at the numbers, you'll probably notice a slight decrease in the assets under management on the storage side.
Arun Narayanan: The PowerBidder Pro contracts are fairly low ASP, and therefore we actually increase, we continue to increase our ARR, despite the fact that we actually pulled those, pulled those systems out. So that also speaks to some of what Arun was talking about. Got it. No, I appreciate it. Thanks.
Speaker Change: The power better pro contracts are fairly low ASP and therefore, we actually increased we continue to increase our <unk>.
Speaker Change: Despite the fact that we actually pulled those for those systems out. So that also speaks to some of what Arun was talking about there.
Speaker Change: Got it no appreciate it thanks I'll hop back in queue.
Speaker: I'll hop back in here.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Dylan Nassano: Our next question is from Dylan Nassano with Wolf Research. Yeah, hi, good afternoon. I just want to start with the cost reductions that were announced during the quarter. Can you just clarify to what extent were those reductions already contemplated when you initially, you originally issued 2025 guidance?
Speaker Change: Our next question is from Don Maisano with Wolfe Research.
Yeah, Hi, good afternoon.
Speaker Change: I just want to start with the the cost.
Speaker Change: Reductions that were announced during the quarter can.
Speaker Change: Can you just clarify.
Speaker Change: To what extent were those reductions already contemplated when you. Initially you originally issued 2025 guidance.
Speaker Change: Okay.
Doran Hole: Sure, this is Doran. I'll just start. The quick comparison is that what we talked about in the last call was a 20% reduction in run rate end of 24 OPEX that we were mapping out. What we actually did was quite a bit higher than that as a result of the ultimate decisions that we made to realign the business units and realign our staffing accordingly. So while we talked about 27% by headcount, the dollar reduction there was close to high 30s percentage. And when you kind of compare that to the 20% before, clearly we've kind of gone above and beyond.
Joanne: Sure. This is Joanne I will just start.
Speaker Change: Quick comparison is that what we talked about in the last call was a 20% reduction in run rate.
Speaker Change: 24, Opex that we were mapping out.
Speaker Change: What we actually did was quite a bit higher than that as a result of the ultimate decisions that we made to realign the business units and realign our staffing accordingly so.
Speaker Change: While we talked about 27% by head count the dollar reduction there was closer to <unk>.
Speaker Change: High Thirty's percentage.
Speaker Change: And when you kind of compare that to the 20% before clearly.
Speaker Change: <unk> kind of gone above and beyond that's purely financial look.
Dylan Nassano: That's purely financial. Gotcha. Okay. Thanks.
Speaker Change: Yeah.
Speaker Change: Gotcha, Okay. Thanks, and then for my follow up.
Doran Hole: And then for my follow-up. Looking at growth margins for the quarter, you know, obviously some outperformance relative to guidance. Can you just give a little more color around specifically what kind of drove that this quarter? Was it a revenue mix between hardware and software? Or how should we think about gross margin kind of trending through the rest of the year? So I think we've talked about guidance.
Speaker Change: Looking at gross margin for the quarter, obviously, some outperformance relative to the guidance can you just give a little more color around.
Speaker Change: Specifically, what kind of drove that this quarter was it a revenue mix between hardware and software.
Speaker Change: Should we think about gross margin kind of trending through the rest of the year.
Speaker Change: So I think we've talked about guidance. This is Jordan when you talked about guidance in terms of what our growth looks like.
Doran Hole: This is Doran. We've talked about guidance in terms of what our gross margins will look like. Obviously, Q1, we came in above the non-gap gross margin range that we've got for the year. I think we're, of course, making some conservatism in there to ensure that we respond to the nature of today's macro environment. But at the same time, the straight answer is product mix, so less OEM hardware in the mix, higher software and edge device with higher margins. And that's the change in strategy. That's the change in business model. And that's the way we expect to see things move.
Speaker Change: Q1, we came in above the non-GAAP gross margin range that we've got for the year. I think we are of course, taking some conservatism in there to ensure that we respond to the nature of today's macro environment, but at the same time.
Speaker Change: The straight answer is product mix.
Speaker Change: So less OEM hardware in the mix higher software and edge device with higher margins and that's the change in strategy. That's the change in business model.
Speaker Change: The way, we expect to see things moving forward.
Dylan Nassano: I would go back to what we are focused on. We're focused on selling those higher. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Speaker Change: I would go back to what we are focused on the focus on selling those higher margin.
Speaker Change: Offering and that's what you're seeing there is nothing we can.
Speaker Change: In the earnings report.
Speaker Change: Great. Thank you very much.
Speaker Change: Thank you there are no further questions at this time.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. This does conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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