Q1 2025 Unisys Corp Earnings Call
Today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions to ask a question you May Press Star then one on your telephone keypad to withdraw your question. Please press Star then two please note. This event is being recorded I would now like to turn the conference over to Michela Borski, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Debra McCann: As Mike discussed, our performance reflects consistent execution of our strategy and sustained improvement in brand awareness, industry recognition, and new business signing. We are gaining traction in the market for our solutions and see large growth opportunities in applications, security, data, device subscription services, endpoint management, and experience management. We also continue to enhance our solutions to include emerging technology that supports our clients' future analytic, operational, data, and security needs and allows for continual operational improvement of our delivery. Our solution investment extends our ClearPath Forward 2050 strategy, which continues to drive favorable trends in our L&S business.
Speaker Change: Please go ahead.
Michela Borski: Thank you operator, good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining US yesterday afternoon, Unisys released its first quarter 2025 financial results I'm joined this morning to discuss those results by Mike Thompson, our CEO and President and dead Mccann, Our Chief Financial Officer.
Michela Borski: As a reminder, certain statements in today's conference call contain estimates and other forward looking statements within the meanings of the securities laws, we caution listeners that the current expectations assumptions and beliefs, forming the basis for forward. Looking statements include many factors that are beyond our ability to.
Debra McCann: Looking at our results, you can see on slide four, first quarter revenue was $432 million, down 11.4% year-over-year as reported, and 8.5% in constant currency, primarily due to L&S renewal timing. Excluding license and support, first quarter revenue was $361 million, down 8.5% year-over-year and down 5.5% in constant currency due to lower discretionary volumes in the DWS and CANI segments. This directionally aligned to the color we provided at year end as the sequential ramp is expected to begin in the second quarter of this year. Additionally, a one-time benefit in the prior year first quarter related to a favorable settlement of a previously exited contract negatively affected the XLNS growth rate by 160 basis points on a reported basis.
The control or estimate precisely this could cause results to differ materially from our expectations.
Michela Borski: These items can also be found in the forward looking statements section of today's earnings release furnished on form 8-K and in our most recent forms 10-K, and 10-Qs as filed with the SEC.
Michela Borski: We do not by including this statement assume any obligation to review or revise any particular forward looking statement referenced herein in light of future events. We will also be referring to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as non-GAAP operating profit or adjusted EBITDA that excludes certain items, such as post retirement expense cost.
Michela Borski: And activities in other expenses. The company believes are not indicative of its ongoing operations as they may be unusual or nonrecurring.
Debra McCann: I will now discuss our segment revenue, which you can find on slide four in constant currency terms. As a reminder, in January 2025, the company changed its organizational structure to streamline our operations and centralize all application capabilities within CA&I and shifted our business process solutions into ECS. Our Form 8K, filed on March 14th, contains two years of reclassified quarterly segment results. Revenue in our Digital Workplace Solutions segment declined 7.5% year-over-year to $119 million in the first quarter. These declines were primarily driven by field service volumes, which declined throughout last year but stabilized in the first quarter and picked up in March.
Michela Borski: We believe these measures provide a more complete understanding of our financial performance. However, they're not intended to be a substitute for GAAP.
Mike: non-GAAP measures have been reconciled to the related GAAP measures and we've provided reconciliations within the presentation. The slides accompanying today's call are available on our investor website with that I'd like to turn the call over to Mike.
Mike: Thank you Mikael and good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us to discuss the company's first quarter 2025 results.
Mike: Our performance reflects consistent execution against our strategy to enhance free cash flow by optimizing delivery, improving cash conversion efficiency and expanding our solutions within our client base and prospective clients as we continue to build upon the go to market momentum we've achieved in 2024.
Debra McCann: The quarter was also impacted by lower levels of discretionary project work and declines in third-party volume, which will pick up as our DSS signings ramp starting in the second half of this year. We expect further increases in enterprise storage volumes and easing year-over-year growth comparisons to support improving sequential and year-over-year growth and profitability in each of the remaining quarters this year. Cloud applications and infrastructure solutions revenue declined 3.3% year over year to $177 million in the first quarter. The decline in the first quarter was driven by lower volumes with existing clients due to the timing of project work and some expected scope reductions in traditional infrastructure, primarily with clients in the public sector.
Mike: We're pleased to reiterate our full year guidance ranges for both total company constant currency revenue growth and non-GAAP operating profit margin.
Mike: We also expect enhanced delivery operational efficiencies and upside in our license and support or <unk> solutions to provide a path above the mid point for our profitability guidance range.
Mike: Discuss a number of factors to support our expectations for solid sequential improvement as we move through the year.
Mike: We've achieved another quarter of strong growth in new business T. C D driven by sustained momentum in new logos.
Mike: We also saw an increase in field service volumes during the course of the quarter driven by higher margin infrastructure volumes.
Debra McCann: Among the state and local governments and higher education organizations that we work with, we are seeing some concern related to federal funding levels, which is translating into delayed decision making. We believe these impacts will be temporary and that U.S. public sector clients may be incentivized to move more quickly to modernize, reduce costs, and achieve more sustainable IT operations. Enterprise Computing Solutions revenue was down 11.2% year-over-year to $119 million in the first quarter due to L&S renewal timing as expected. Within the segment, L&S revenue was $71 million in the first quarter. Specialized services and next generation compute solutions within UCS grew 9.2% in the first quarter with growth driven by increased volumes in business process solutions in Asia Pacific.
Mike: We're expecting a growing PC refresh cycle to support field service volumes as we move through the year.
Mike: PC demand has been pent up as clients have deferred refreshes why are evaluating future device compatibility with AI and Windows 11 upgrades as we approach the Windows 10 end of life in the fall.
Mike: We expect more clients to begin undertaking upgrades, which should drive product work as well as additional signings for our device subscription services or DSS, while supporting field service volumes for distribution and imaging services, reclaim and disposal services as well as restoration of expired warranties.
We also expect to benefit from a further rise in infrastructure field services and in particular high end enterprise storage, which began during the first quarter.
Debra McCann: First quarter, total contract value was $434 million, including $337 million from new business signings. Trailing 12 months book-to-bill was 1.0 times for the total company, relatively flat sequentially. Book-to-bill in our Excel and S-Solutions was also 1.0 times, up from 0.9 times last quarter. We exited the year with backlog of $2.9 billion, up 2% sequentially and 4% year-over-year. In the first quarter, we had double-digit year-over-year backlog growth in DWS, driven primarily by DSS signings, the largest of which will roll out region-by-region over a two-year period. As we mentioned last quarter, we expect 2025 to be a higher renewal TCV year, benefiting backlog and book-to-bill throughout the year.
Mike: At the same time, new business signings from the back half of 2024 are continuing to ramp in all three segments, which were primarily multiyear contracts with longer transition periods.
Mike: These tail wins give us visibility into sequential revenue improvement through the remainder of the year, especially given the back half weighting of <unk> revenue for which we have also increased our outlook.
Mike: In terms of profitability, our first quarter non-GAAP operating margin of two 8% is in line with our low single digit expectations, keeping us on track for our full year profitability guidance range and for our pre pension free cash flow expectations of approximately $100 million.
Mike: Looking more closely at client signings first quarter, new business, <unk> was $337 million up more than 50% sequentially and more than 80% year over year.
Debra McCann: So the bulk of those renewals are expected in the back half of the year. Moving to slide six, first quarter gross profit was $108 million, a 24.9% gross margin compared to 27.9% in the prior year period, reflecting low L&S revenue due to the scheduled timing of client contract renewal. First quarter XLNS gross margin was 17.8%, down 20 basis points year over year. Adjusting for the one-time benefit in the prior year period, XL and S gross margin improved by 120 basis points, reflecting our ongoing delivery and labor optimization and some accretion from new business signed in 2024, which was partially offset by investments in hiring and training ahead of revenue generation.
Mike: New logo T. C V was the primary driver of this growth and we increased the number of new logos added to our base.
Mike: Our go to market results demonstrate that we are delivering solution innovation aligned with business outcomes that are required for clients and prospects, which include cost optimization data integration and security improved asset in employee productivity and AI enablement.
Mike: And dws, our device subscription service with intelligent refresh based on user personas and device performance offers tangible value by reducing costs, increasing the efficiency of procurement provisioning and deployment, all while improving employee experience asset allocation and overall secured.
Debra McCann: I will now touch briefly on segment gross profit. DWS segment gross margin was 14.2% in the first quarter, down 20 basis points year over year. We made investments in advance of new business in DWS, where we are ramping up labor and training related to enterprise storage field services, and to support our capabilities, such as liquid cooling for AI factories. Looking ahead, the DSS wins we had in the first quarter include a sizable portion of hardware revenue, which is accretive to profit dollars and a tailwind to top-line growth, though has a lower margin profile and may result in a more gradual slope to the improvement in DWS segment gross margin.
Mike: Posture.
Mike: We built a significant pipeline of DSS opportunities during 2024, and we're beginning to see the clients and prospects to move forward with investments.
Mike: These engagements provide an entry point for expansion into higher margin device managed services as well as opportunities to cross penetrate into service desk and endpoint management hybrid infrastructure application modernization security services and experience management.
Mike: DSS signings in the quarter included a large new logo win with a leading global technology supplier.
Debra McCann: CAI segment growth margin was 19.5% in the first quarter, up 10 basis points year over year, a solid result given the softness in first quarter public sector discretionary revenue. ECS segment growth margin was 47.7% in the first quarter, down 690 basis points year over year due to timing of renewals in our highly profitable L&S solutions and a higher hardware component partially offset by improvement in our SS&C solutions. Moving to slide seven, first quarter non-GAAP operating profit margin was 2.8% compared to 7.1% in the prior period. This was in line with the low single-digit color provided last quarter, which was expected due to the timing of L&S renewals in the quarter.
Mike: Under this contract we will provide quarterly procurement and services for 380000 devices across 14 countries ramping up to full revenue run rate over two years.
Mike: We also signed a DSS new scope contract with a biotech client that now benefits from the full suite of our digital workplace services will.
Mike: We will be rolling out these services globally, and providing monitoring device management as part of this agreement to support more than 21000 devices across multiple geographic regions.
Mike: We also added two key technology partners to our Dws Alliance ecosystem easy Vista and fresh works.
Mike: These partnerships expand our it service management platform capabilities accelerate deployment and increased flexibility, we can offer clients seeking to accelerate time to value and reduce cost without sacrificing functionality and high quality technology support.
Debra McCann: First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $40 million, a margin of 9.3%. Our operating expenses declined approximately $16 million year over year, and we continue to diligently execute against our plan to bring down SG&A expenses. SG&A was down nearly 14% from a year ago. First quarter net income was negative $30 million, translating to diluted loss of $0.42 per share. Adjusted net loss was $3 million for the quarter, a diluted loss per share of $0.05. Turning to slide 8, first quarter capital expenditures totaled approximately $20 million, relatively flat on a year-over-year basis. As a reminder, a significant portion of capital expenditure relates to relatively steady levels of solution development for our L&S platform, while we maintain a capital light strategy in our XL&S solution.
Mike: And C&I clients remain focused on modernizing applications and bolstering their security posture to protect critical assets from growing threats to data and the increased frequency of ransomware attacks.
Mike: During the quarter, we signed a new scope contract to provide a range of application services for a leading self regulatory organization in the financial services sector.
Mike: This client will work on applications and projects to support our clients market regulation and surveillance operations and provide engineering capabilities to help transform their data and data processing capabilities.
Mike: We also signed a new scope contract in C&I for managed security services with a leading power distributor in Latin America.
Debra McCann: Pre-pension free cash flow in the quarter, which is free cash flow prior to pension and post-retirement contributions, was $23 million, up $11 million year over year, while free cash flow was $13 million, more than doubling in the quarter compared to $4 million a year earlier. Enhanced cash flow derived from improved working capital dynamics, partially offset by slightly higher levels of post-retirement funding and cost reduction payments. Moving to slide nine, cash balances increased to $393 million as of March 31st, compared to $377 million at year-end. Including all defined benefit pension plans, our net leverage ratio is 3.2 times, relatively stable on a year-over-year basis.
Mike: We will provide this client with continuous threat exposure management and extended detection and response solutions overseeing critical data operations and protecting approximately 3000 of our clients' employees 600 servers and 150 internal networks.
Mike: We expect security to remain an area of outsized growth within the market and we continue to enhance our security portfolio.
Mike: We launched our first post quantum cryptography or PQ <unk> solution in the first quarter.
Mike: Cryptographic posture assessment, which takes inventory and analyzes and organizations cryptographic environment and identifies potential vulnerabilities.
Mike: We expect to expand upon this advisory offering to build out a comprehensive set of consulting and technology capabilities to help organizations prepare for and defend against future quantum threats.
Debra McCann: Our liquidity position is strong, with significant cash balances, and our $125 million ABL facility, which has an accordion of up to $155 million, remains undrawn. I will now provide an update on our global pension plan. Each year end, we provide more detailed estimated projections for expected global cash pension contributions and gap deficit relative to our quarterly updates. These projections change based on factors such as financial market conditions, funding regulations and actuarial assumptions. Based on asset returns and market conditions, we estimate that as of March 31, 2025, both our gap deficit and expected cash contributions for the five-year period beginning in 2025 through 2029 are essentially unchanged from year-end 2024.
Mike: Clients remain focused on adopting AI to accelerate their business objectives, and we continue to advance our solutions to make that adoption is turnkey as possible.
Mike: An example of that is our service experience accelerator, which is gaining market awareness with clients as we are rolling out our second proof of concept.
Mike: Service periods accelerator is our technology framework for service desk, harnessing generative AI service data analytics, and intelligent workflow automation and can be deployed within our clients trusted network.
Mike: For many clients a bottleneck to AI adoption is the high cost of structuring and leveraging high value data siloed within various hybrid environments, our data abstraction techniques and use of agenda gay I reduced that barrier.
Debra McCann: Pension contributions begin in our U.S. plans in the second quarter, and we expect contributions to all global pension plans to total approximately $27 million in each of the remaining three quarters of the year. Turning to slide 10, I will now discuss our financial guidance for the full year. We are reiterating our total company revenue growth guidance range of positive 0.5% to positive 2.5% in constant currency, which based on foreign exchange rates as of the end of the first quarter equates to reported revenue growth of negative 1.1% to positive 0.9%. As Mike mentioned, while macroeconomic factors are fluctuating, our base is resilient with relatively low direct exposure to tariffs and trade barriers we know of today.
Mike: For example, in the first quarter, we rolled out our intelligence accelerator and application framework that connects disparate datasets across environments and disseminates outputs to required destinations with embedded security.
Mike: We're also working on several <unk> AI proof of concepts leveraging AI agents to cleanse low quality data and structure it for AI consumption.
Mike: Our logistics optimization offering is another example of a solution developed to create value from client data by bringing together, our engineering industry and computing expertise.
Mike: During the quarter, we rolled out multimodal routing capabilities to our platform and cargo portal, providing an end to end framework for executing shipments encompassing bookings analytics and dynamic remediation.
Debra McCann: However, we do expect delayed client decision-making that occurred in the first quarter to have some marginal impact on the trajectory of excellence revenue, which may bring constant currency excellence revenue growth below the midpoint of the 1% to 5% range we assumed in our original guidance. For license and support, we are now assuming revenue of approximately $410 million, which offsets the first quarter XLNS delays that I just mentioned, allowing us to maintain the total company revenue growth guidance. Roughly half of the $20 million increase in our L&S revenue assumption is related to longer terms expected on certain fourth quarter renewals, with the remainder from incremental hardware at a more modest growth margin.
Mike: Bookings through the portal increased in the first quarter and we remain optimistic that its use will continue to grow as we onboard new airlines elevating our presence and increasing awareness of our broader travel and transportation portfolio.
Mike: In financial services, we launched a new version of our branch banking solution and expanded our partnership with thought machine, who we will collaborate with to deliver end to end digital retail banking capabilities, primarily in the international markets.
Mike: The enhancements, we're making to our industry solutions portfolio have the added benefit of increasing the value proposition for our clients using clear path forward platforms, delivering innovative capabilities through our proprietary platforms and industry solutions is one of the three key pillars of our clear path forward 2050.
Debra McCann: This change will have minimal impact on future years, and given the overall favorable consumption trends across our installed base, we continue to expect approximately $400 million of L&S revenue in 2026. As a reminder, the timing and exact amount of L&S revenue can be difficult to forecast with precision, given it is dependent on renewal timing and size, which can change based on client budgeting decisions, consumption levels, and duration preferences, among other factors. For full-year non-GAAP operating profit margin, we continue to expect a range of 6.5% to 8.5% and see a path to come in above the midpoint given the improved outlook in our L&S solutions and improvement in delivery and operational efficiency.
Mike: <unk> to expand and enhance our ecosystem and ultimately drive increased consumption retention and revenue growth.
Mike: The second pillar is unlocking and protecting data through secured data exchange across hybrid infrastructure environments with our platforms, serving as a home for centralization and analysis for our clients' most valuable data.
Mike: The third pillar is delivering specialized services and support to bridge clients skill gaps and modernize the infrastructure and application layer around our platforms.
Debra McCann: The upside of L&S is expected in the fourth quarter, generating incremental cash in 2026, keeping us on track to achieve our cash flow objective. For 2025, we continue to expect approximately $100 million of pre-pension, pre-cash flow and a slightly positive pre-cash flow after funding our pension contributions, allowing us to preserve our strong cash balances. Our pre-pension, pre-cash flow outlook reflects improvement in cash conversion as environmental, legal restructuring, and other payments are expected to be a net positive $10 million, inclusive of a one-time collection of the remaining $25 million owed to us as part of the favorable legal settlement we negotiated in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Mike: We believe the investments, we're making in technology talent and innovation embedded in our clear path forward to 2050 strategy solidifies our operating systems at the core of our clients' mission critical operations.
Mike: The solutions, we are developing and our marketing efforts are driving increased brand awareness and recognition for our solutions from both the industry analyst and advisors, who influence client decisions.
Mike: In the first quarter <unk> elevated us to disruptor in their AI services radar view and we were named a leader in attack surface management in a new report from Nelson Hall.
Mike: These acknowledgements add to the numerous new and improved rankings received in multi cloud digital workplace security analytics, AI and generative AI services in 2020 for.
Debra McCann: Our cash outlook assumes capital expenditures of approximately $95 million, cash taxes of approximately $70 million, and net interest payments of about $15 million. Cash interest does not include any assumption of refinancing. However, as mentioned earlier, we are actively monitoring market conditions to opportunistically expand our debt structure and further advance our pension mitigation strategy. Looking specifically at the second quarter, we expect approximately $375 million of ex-LNS revenue representing sequential growth in the mid-single digits. Based on renewal timing, second quarter LNS revenue is expected to be similar to the first quarter, with approximately 35% of LNS revenue in the first half and approximately 65% in the back half.
Mike: This recognition helps us get invited to more deals supporting our new logo momentum.
Mike: During the quarter, we obtained titanium partner status, a dell the highest designation.
And having over 4000 del certified engineers.
This designation signifies the strength of our strategic relationship commitment to excellence and the depth of our expertise across <unk> portfolio.
Mike: It also brings enhanced growth incentives and access resources from Dell to support our growth.
Mike: As we discussed last quarter, our workflow optimization efforts are primarily focused on optimizing delivery and increasing associate utilization.
Mike: During the quarter, we nearly doubled the pace of our campus hiring and our increasing internal fulfillment on new business engagements by up skilling, our workforce and frontline workers leveraged support services and within our industry solutions.
Debra McCann: Given the cadence of L&S renewal timing and the impact of foreign exchange, this translates to a total company reported revenue decline of approximately 7 to 8 percent and a slightly positive non-GAAP operating margin. As XLNS revenue improves sequentially over the next three quarters, and LNS revenue and profit takes a meaningful step up in the third and fourth quarters, we expect growth and profitability to significantly increase in the back half of the year, bringing us to our full year ranges.
Mike: Our trailing 12 month voluntary attrition remains low at 11, eight and supports our workforce optimization efforts.
Speaker Change: Before turning the call over to Deb I want to take a moment to share why we believe we are well positioned to achieve our guidance. Despite the ongoing macroeconomic and geopolitical uncertainty, including tariffs and trade restrictions.
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Speaker Change: Our diverse solution portfolio is anchored in non discretionary spend and deployed across a wide geography and industry mix with no material client concentration.
Speaker Change: Most of our work comes in the form of longer term contracts with recurring revenue streams, which helped limit the impact from macroeconomic or geopolitical fluctuations in any given period.
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Speaker Change: Less than 1% of our revenue on average is generated from China, and we have a relatively low exposure to higher risk client sectors, such as automotive and retail.
Rod Bourgeois: Our first question comes from Rod Bourgeois with Deep Dive Equity Research. Please go ahead. All right guys, thank you for the commentary, a lot of helpful details in there.
Speaker Change: While we have no direct revenue exposure to U S Federal government and a low component of project consulting revenue, we're seeing some trickle down effects of increased scrutiny on federal government spending which has caused some delayed decision, making at the state local and higher education clients.
Mike Thompson: I want to start by asking about the interesting turn of events here with the L&S outlook increasing to offset some discretionary weakness that has occurred in ex-L&S. So can you talk further about what's enabling the L&S upside in revenues? To what extent is that improved volumes, which has been a trend we've seen I guess over the last almost two years now, versus how much of it maybe is also related to earlier than expected renewals, so more color on that would be very helpful. Sure. Hey, Rod, thanks for the question. Really appreciate it and appreciate you joining the call here.
Speaker Change: While the macro environment is having some impact on timing of new business signings and the in year revenue. They will generate this has a marginal impact given most of the full year revenue in our guidance is generated from solutions and services already contracted and in backlog.
Speaker Change: We believe the combination of all of these characteristics provides us relative stability and resilience in periods of uncertain market conditions.
Speaker Change: We also believe our progress against our long term financial and operational objectives, and the strength of our balance sheet provide us increased flexibility as we continue to construct our desired capital structure.
Mike Thompson: Yeah, I, you know, the two components you raised are pretty interesting. You're exactly right in that the LNS volume we've seen increasing consistently over the course of the last several years. Clearly, we've raised that outlook multiple times, if you recall. We raised it again in this quarter. Consistently, what we're seeing is some increased consumption. We're attributing that, Rod, to, you know, essentially use of data, right? When you look at a little bit of repatriation in the market, the cleansing of data, all of the efforts from an AI perspective that need more data, that particular platform in particular is a source of data, right?
Speaker Change: Although we don't have any maturities occurring before November 2027, we're actively reviewing our outstanding debt to consider whether opportunistically refinancing or expanding our debt structure and furthering our pension mitigation strategy makes sense provided market conditions are favorable.
Speaker Change: The past several quarters, we've spent a significant amount of time educating a broad base of investors on our transformation strategy and progress in light of this and the performance of the business. We believe we are well positioned to access to capital markets and I'm excited to be at the helm. During this pivotal time of our company's history with them.
Speaker Change: I'll turn the call over to Deb to discuss our financial results in more detail.
Mike Thompson: And so, in general, we've seen consistent consumption use. And I would also say we've seen several deals over the course of the last couple years extend. And so, to us, that is, you know, entrenching even further a very sticky platform in a longer term point of view into that client portfolio. So, example, you know, a client's looking, originally we were renewing for three years or five years, is looking for five or seven years, and really doubling down on that effort. So, we've been very pleased with that. I mentioned our 2050 strategy and the multiple tiers to that 2050 strategy for ClearPath Forward, really about unlocking that data, as I mentioned earlier, fixed on, I'll say, the specialized services support, which is the application layer and the modernization layer of that, and then the continued use of that platform as we continue to add functionality.
Deb: Thank you, Mike and good morning, everyone. As a reminder, my discussion today will reference the supplemental slides posted on our website and we'll just have total revenue growth both as reported and in constant currency and segment growth in constant currency only I will also provide information excluding license and support revenue or <unk>.
Deb: Elena to allow investors to assess the progress they are making outside the portion of ECS.
Deb: Revenue and profit recognition is tied to license renewal timing, which can be uneven between quarters and years as Mike discussed our performance reflects consistent execution of our strategy and a sustained improvement in brand awareness industry recognition and new business, signing we are gaining traction in the market for isolation and see.
Deb: Large growth opportunities and applications security data device subscription services endpoint management and experience management. We also continue to enhance our solutions to include emerging technology that supports our clients' future analytic operational data and security needs and allows for continual opera.
Mike Thompson: So, really helpful in that regard. And I guess the other side of your question on the XLNS side, you know, we're pretty confident, and, you know, you heard Deb and I both indicate that confidence, that that ramp is pretty solid for the rest of the year. We're expecting Q2, Q3, and Q4 to continue to increase from a growth perspective, as well as from a margin improvement perspective. I mean, we've got really good line of sight into that, as most of that revenue in our guidance is embedded in our backlog. And when you think about the deals that we signed in the back half of last year and what we're signing in the front half of this year, those things are coming to revenue recognition.
Deb: Sean improvement of our delivery.
Deb: Our solution investment extends our clear path forward 2050 strategy, which continues to drive favorable trends in our <unk> business.
Deb: Looking at our results you can see on slide four first quarter revenue was $432 million down 11, 4% year over year as reported and eight 5% in constant currency, primarily due to LMS renewal timing, excluding license and support first quarter revenue was 361 million.
Deb: Down eight 5% year over year and down five 5% in constant currency due to lower.
Deb: Our discretionary volumes and the dws and C&I segments.
Deb: This directionally aligned to the color we provided at year end as the sequential ramp is expected to begin in the second quarter of this year.
Mike Thompson: And so, that gives us a good degree of confidence in the ability for that business to continue to ramp as we had expected.
Deb: Additionally, a one time benefit in the prior year first quarter related to a favorable settlement of a previously exited contract negatively affected the <unk> growth rate by 160 basis points on a reported basis I will now discuss our segment revenue, which you can find on slide four in constant currency terms as a.
Mike Thompson: All right, and so the natural follow-up to that is... So the guidance update for 2025, it's overall encouraged. On a sequential basis, what types of sequential growth assumptions are needed in XLNS and also in LNS? Can you give us some expectations on how the sequential growth progression should play out in each side of the business? Yeah, look, I'll give it to you at a kind of a macro level here, we're expecting increasing growth assumptions essentially every quarter on quarter. So it'll pick up a little bit in Q2, we're expecting more in Q3 and more again in Q4.
Deb: Minder in January 2025, the company changed its organizational structure to streamline our operations and centralized all application capability within C&I and shifted our business process solutions into ECS.
Deb: Our form 8-K filed on March 14 contains two years of reclassified quarterly segment results.
Deb: Revenue in our digital workplace solutions segment declined seven 5% year over year to $119 million in the first quarter. These declines were primarily driven by field service volumes, which declined throughout last year, but stabilized in the first quarter and picked up in March.
Mike Thompson: You know, again, I look at that through the lens, Rod, of the backlog and the pipeline and when these deals are coming online, we clearly know when that's going to happen. We've seen an uptick in volumes and field services, as we've talked about in our prepared remarks, both on the PC side and on the infrastructure side, and the infrastructure side of that work is obviously higher margin work, so that's kind of a knock-on impact to the margin profile. Again, I think fairly well aligned to our expectations, because most of that, again, is in backlog and in contracts that were already working.
Deb: <unk> was also impacted by lower levels of discretionary project work and declines in third party volume metric will pick up as our DSS signings ramp starting in the second half of this year. We expect further increases in enterprise storage volume and easing year over year growth comparisons to support improving sequential and year over year.
Deb: Growth and profitability in each of the remaining quarters this year.
Deb: Cloud applications and infrastructure solutions revenue declined three 3% year over year to $177 million in the first quarter.
Mike Thompson: The L&S component of that, we knew the back half of this year was going to be, you know, higher due on the renewal timing schedule. We're calling for a 35-65 split front half-back half, and so there are some significant contracts to be signed in Q3 and Q4, and some of those in Q4 where the cash will actually come in in 26. So, again, as you know, we've got really strong visibility into those contracts, and in general, those contracts end up, as we talked earlier, with some additional consumption as well as, you know, either at the same timing or longer extension on those contracts.
The decline in the first quarter was driven by lower volumes with existing clients due to the timing of project work and some expected scope reductions and traditional infrastructure, primarily with clients in the public sector.
Deb: Among the state and local governments at higher education organizations that we work with we are seeing some concern related to federal funding levels, which is translating into delayed decision, making we believe these impacts will be temporary and that U S. Public sector clients may be incentivize to move more quickly to modernize reduce costs.
Mike Thompson: So, you know, we feel pretty strong about our ability to execute against that.
Deb: And achieve more sustainable operations.
Deb: Enterprise Computing solutions revenue was down 11, 2% year over year to $119 million in the first quarter due to LMS renewal timing as expected.
Mike Thompson: All right, and I've got to slip one more in. You mentioned the enterprise storage work commencing in Q1. Given your DWS capabilities and the relationships you have in that market, are you in a position to derive some growth from AI-related data center build-outs and the maintenance of those data centers? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that that's obviously been part of our strategy. You know, Deb mentioned that we were spending some more money kind of in advance of that revenue. That's really about training that team, hiring that team in advance of the revenue that that we have good line of sight that is coming through some of the OEM contracts that we signed at the tail end of last year.
Deb: The segment <unk> revenue was $71 million in the first quarter special.
Deb: Specialized services and next generation compute installations within ECS grew nine 2% in the first quarter with products driven by increased volumes and business process solutions in Asia Pacific.
Deb: First quarter total contract value was $434 million, including $337 million from new business signings trailing 12 month book to Bill with one zero times for the total company relatively flat sequentially book to Bill in our XL and Escalations was also 1.0 times up from <unk>.
Mike Thompson: We've seen that activity start. It started a little later in the in the quarter than we were originally anticipating, but it did start in March. We're seeing that continue through April, and we expect that that will continue to ramp.
Deb: Nine times last quarter.
Deb: We exited the year with backlog of $2 $9 billion up 2% sequentially and 4% year over year.
Deb: In the first quarter, we had double digit year over year backlog growth and dws, driven primarily by DSS, signing the largest of which we'll roll out region by region over a 10 year period.
Unknown Attendee: All right. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Rod.
Anja Söderström: The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti. Please go ahead. Hi and thank you for taking my questions. So you laid out the confidence you have in your 2025 guidance, but how confident are you in your 2026 targets at this point? Yeah, look, I think Deb mentioned briefly in her prepared remarks that, you know, we're still on track to meet our cash flow expectations, as we've talked about in our 23 Investor Day. So really, nothing's changed in our trajectory for that. Deb talked a little bit about the slope of the XLNS, and probably specifically, the DWS component of that over the course of that two year period, but really no change in our confidence level of exceeding the plan that we laid out in 23.
Deb: As we mentioned last quarter, we expect 2025 to be a higher renewal TCE are benefiting backlog and book to bill throughout the year. So the bulk of those renewals are expected in the back half of the year.
Deb: Moving to slide six first quarter gross profit was $108 million or 24, 9% gross margin compared to 27, 9% in the prior year period, reflecting low LMS revenue due to the scheduled timing of client contract renewals.
Deb: First quarter <unk> gross margin was 17, 8% down 20 basis points year over year <unk>.
Deb: Adjusting for the onetime benefit in the prior year period excellent gross margin improved by 120 basis points, reflecting our ongoing delivery and labor optimization and some accretion from new business signed in 2024, which was partially offset by investments in hiring and training ahead of revenue generation and I'll.
Mike Thompson: Okay, thank you. And you haven't seen any sort of wait and see or hesitation among your customers based on the macro uncertainties going on? Yeah, no, of course we have, as everyone, right? I mean, we know what we know at this point in time. And, you know, I think we laid out the areas why we think we are not as exposed as perhaps some others may be. It may be the areas of risk in automotive or retail. We have very little exposure to China. We have very little direct exposure to the U.S. federal government. But clearly, volatility in the market gives people pause, and pause ends up delaying the signing of contracts.
Deb: Now I'll touch briefly on segment gross profit.
Deb: Dws segment gross margin was 14, 2% in the first quarter down 20 basis points year over year, we made investments in advance of new business in Dws, we are ramping up labor and training related to enterprise storage sales services and to support our capabilities such as liquid cooling for AI factory.
Deb: Looking ahead, the DSS wins, we had in the first quarter included a sizeable portion of hardware revenue, which is accretive to profit dollar and a tailwind to topline growth that has a lower margin profile and May result in a more gradual slope to the improvement in dws segment gross margin.
Deb: C&I segment gross margin was 19, 5% in the first quarter up 10 basis points year over year, a solid result, given there was softness in first quarter public sector discretionary revenue.
Mike Thompson: And as you know, Anja, as we get into contract signing, for things that we sign in the front half of the current year, we expect some level of revenue recognition in year for those signings. So, even if they push a quarter, that may push the timing of some of that revenue recognition. But what we have not seen, and frankly, we've seen a little bit of the opposite, the pipeline is growing. Our backlog is growing, as we've indicated. And so, even though there is pause, let's say, in pulling the trigger on signing of some contracts, it's not affecting the front end of the pipeline.
Deb: ACS segment gross margin was 47, 7% in the first quarter down 690 basis points year over year due to timing of renewals in our highly profitable <unk> escalation and a higher hardware components, partially offset by improvement in our <unk> solution.
Moving to slide seven first quarter non-GAAP operating profit margin was two 8% compared to seven 1% in the prior period. This was in line with the low single digit color provided last quarter, which was expected due to the timing of Alan S renewals in the quarter.
Anja Söderström: We're seeing that grow just fine, and it's growing in the areas that we think is aligned to our business.
Deb: First quarter, adjusted EBITDA was $40 million a margin of nine 3% our operating.
Unknown Attendee: Okay, thank you. I'll get back into queue. Great. Thanks. Thanks, Anja. Again, if you have a question, please press star then 1.
Deb: <unk> expenses declined approximately $16 million year over year, and we continue to diligently execute against our plan to bring down SG&A expenses.
Arun Seshadri: The next question comes from Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Hi guys, thanks for taking my questions. Sorry, I signed on a little bit late.
Deb: G&A was down nearly 14% from a year ago.
First quarter net income was negative $30 million translating to diluted loss of 42 per share.
Mike Thompson: Just wanted to see, Mike, if, you know, you had any thoughts, you know, obviously, you've, since you've, you've taken over leadership of the company, any sort of broader strategic things you're thinking about that might be different, you know, from from the prior strategies, be great to hear. And then also, you know, just in terms of the quality of the pipeline and the talk a little bit about, you know, I guess, given the macro uncertainty, have you, you know, how are you, how are you sort of assessing the quality of your backlog? And, and when you go back and look at, you know, when you go back and look at some of that backlog, is there any natural pairing that you would do in order to make it, you know, a little bit safer?
Deb: Adjusted net loss was $3 million for the quarter, a diluted loss per share of <unk>.
Deb: Turning to slide eight first quarter capital expenditures totaled approximately $20 million relatively flat on a year over year basis. As a reminder, a significant portion of capital expenditure relates to relatively steady levels of solution development for our <unk> platform, while we maintain a capital light strategy.
Deb: In our XL and Escalations.
Deb: Pre pension free cash flow in the quarter, which is free cash flow prior to pension and postretirement contributions was $23 million up $11 million year over year, while free cash flow was $13 million more than doubling in the quarter compared to $4 million a year earlier enhanced cash flow.
Deb: Arrived from improved working capital dynamics, partially offset by slightly higher levels of postretirement funding and cost reduction payments.
Mike Thompson: Great. Thanks, Arun, for the questions. There's a lot in there, so I'll try to unpack some of that. Maybe just trying to do it in the order in which you asked it. Thinking about the strategy or my leadership here, that's been pretty consistent. As you know, I've been with the company just about a decade now and have been the owner of the strategy for the last couple years. And so I don't expect that we're going to see a whole lot from a strategic point of view different than what we've been executing. We're really focused on the execution of our strategy versus the change of our strategy.
Deb: Moving to slide nine cash balances increased to $393 million as of March 31, compared to $377 million at year end <unk>.
Deb: Including all defined benefit pension plans, our net leverage ratio is three two times relatively stable on a year over year basis, our liquidity position is strong with significant cash balances and our $125 million ABL facility, which has an accordion of up to $155 million remains undrawn.
Deb: <unk>.
Deb: I will now provide an update on our global pension plans each.
Mike Thompson: But the main components that I'm going to continue to spend my time on and will continue to steer the company is around expansion of our market awareness. I think we've done a really nice job of that over the course of the last couple years, but it's this continual effort to get deeper and deeper into the client base and make sure that not only our existing clients, but our prospective clients know Unisys, know what we do, know what our capabilities are, etc. So the work we do with the industry analysts and advisors is really important in that particular area.
Deb: Each year and we provide more detailed estimates projections for expected global cash pension contributions and GAAP deficit relative to our quarterly update these.
Deb: Actions change based on factors, such as financial market conditions funding regulations and actuarial assumption.
Deb: Based on asset returns and market conditions, we estimate that as of March 31, 2025, both our GAAP deficit and expected cash contributions for the five year period, beginning in 2025 through 2029 are essentially unchanged from year end 2024.
Mike Thompson: The other area of focus is the continued solution distinction. I think we've done a really nice job of illustrating that. You see that in the leader quadrant profiles that we're getting from various industry analysts. So we'll continue to make sure we're staying at the front edge of technology and that we continue to bring our clients what they need to advance their businesses, as well as maintain their overall cost profile, etc. And then the other area of continued focus is the enhanced development and success of our associate base. That's a really important element, just tying back into Rod's question, keeping ahead of the needs in field services and the agentic AI compulsion of a compartment of knowledge management and service desk, the work we're doing in apps modernization and AI ops embedded in CA&I.
Deb: Pension contributions.
Deb: In our U S plans in the second quarter, and we expect contributions to all global pension plans to total approximately $27 million in each of the remaining three quarters of the year.
Deb: Turning to slide 10, I will now discuss our financial guidance for the full year. We are reiterating our total company revenue growth guidance range of positive <unk>, 5% to positive two 5% in constant currency, which based on foreign exchange rates as of the end of the first quarter equates to reported revenue growth of negative one 1% to pause.
Deb: <unk>, 9%.
Deb: As Mike mentioned, while macroeconomic factors are fluctuating our base is resilient with relatively low direct exposure to tariffs and trade barriers. We know of today. However, we do expect delayed client decision, making that occurred in the first quarter to have some marginal impact on the trajectory of Exxon S revenue, which may bring.
Mike Thompson: It's really important that our staff development allows us to continue to make that differentiation. So from a strategy perspective, I think those are consistent themes that we've been applying over the course of the last couple years, and you should expect that we'll continue down that path and hopefully weigh in even more deeply in all three of those areas. The other half of your question really relating to pipeline and backlog, look, I think we've done a really nice job over the last couple years. So there's really no culling of the pipeline needed. I think we do a good job of ensuring that that happens at the front end of our process.
Deb: Constant currency Exxon us revenue growth below the midpoint of the 1% to 5% range, we assumed in our original guidance.
Deb: For license and support.
Deb: Now assuming revenue of approximately $410 million, which offsets the first quarter excelling as delays that I, just mentioned, allowing us to maintain the total company revenue growth guidance rough.
Deb: Roughly half of the $20 million increase in our <unk> revenue assumption is related to longer terms expected on certain fourth quarter renewals with the remainder from incremental hardware at a more modest gross margin. This change will have minimal impact on future here and given the overall favorable consumption trends across our.
Mike Thompson: We have a pretty rigid process for qualification of deals, you know, I think the whole point about the expansion of market awareness and alignment to our solution really helps drive that at the front end of the process. And we really spend a lot of time looking at the wind shaping of that early on. So the expectation is not really seeing the pipeline decline. In fact, we're seeing pipeline increases, specifically in new business and as a total company. And I think the quality of that pipeline, since we're qualifying it earlier on, is better and more aligned to solutions that we think we can win, which ultimately should increase our win rates.
Deb: Solid base, we continue to expect approximately $400 million of <unk> revenue in 2020.
Deb: As a reminder, at the timing and exact amount of <unk> revenue can be difficult to forecast with precision given it is dependent on renewal timing and size, which can change based on client budgeting decisions consumption levels and duration preferences among other factors.
Deb: For full year non-GAAP operating profit margin, we continue to expect a range of six 5% to eight 5% and see a path to come in above the midpoint given the improved outlook in our <unk> solutions and improvement in delivery and operational efficiency. The upside of Allen as is expected in the fourth quarter generating incremental cash.
Deb: Cash in 2026, keeping us on track to achieve our cash flow objectives for.
Mike Thompson: I would give you just a little color, too. Not only are we adding to the top end of the funnel from a pipeline perspective, but the pipeline that we have right now is actually a little more mature. So what that means is that those deals are in later stages in the pipeline, which means we've got a little bit more insight to our ability to actually close and win and qualify those. So feeling pretty good about that from a strategy perspective. We could always use more. Clearly the macros are causing pause on signing contracts, but certainly not causing pause in our ability to have discussions with clients and further qualify deals.
Deb: For 2025, we continue to expect approximately $100 million of pre pension free cash flow and a slightly positive free cash flow after funding our pension contributions, allowing us to preserve our strong cash balances are pre pension free cash flow outlook reflects improvement in cash conversion as environmental legal restructuring.
Deb: <unk> and other payments are expected to be a net positive $10 million inclusive of a onetime collection of the remaining $25 million owed to us as part of the favorable legal settlement, we negotiated in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Deb: Our cash outlook assumes capital expenditures of approximately $95 million cash taxes of approximately $70 million and net interest payments of about $15 million cash interest does not include any assumption of refinancing. However, as mentioned earlier, we are actively monitoring market conditions to opportunistically explore.
Mike Thompson: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mike Thompson for any closing remarks.
Mike Thompson: Before you go, I'd like to echo three key messages that we hope you took away from today's remark. First, we have a clear line of sight to achieve our full-year revenue growth guidance and believe which is a testament to our continued focus on driving more efficiency through delivery and operations and the resilience of our diverse stream of revenues across solutions, clients, sectors, and geographies. Second, our Clear Path Forward 2050 strategy continues enhancing the ecosystem of Unisys software and industry solutions, providing opportunities to expand some of our deepest and longest client relationships. And third, we believe we have substantially de-risked our pension exposure through consistent execution of our strategy, keeping us on track to fund our contributions.
Deb: Our debt structure and further advance our pension mitigation strategy.
Deb: Looking specifically at the second quarter, we expect approximately $375 million of Exxon us revenue representing sequential growth in the mid single digits based on renewal timing second quarter <unk> revenue is expected to be similar to the first quarter with approximately 35% of <unk> revenue in the first.
Deb: Half and approximately 65% in the back half given the cadence of Allen as renewal timing and the impact of foreign exchange. This translates to a total company reported revenue decline of approximately 7% to 8% and a slightly positive non-GAAP operating margin.
Deb: <unk> revenue improved sequentially over the next three quarters and Alan as revenue and profit takes a meaningful step up in the third and fourth quarters, we expect growth and profitability to significantly increase in the back half of the year, bringing us to our full year ranges. Operator, you may now open the line for questions.
Unknown Attendee: In addition, we're actively monitoring market conditions to opportunistically expand our debt structure and further advance our pension mitigation strategy. Thank you all for joining us today. Operator, you may end the call. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
Deb: We will now begin the question and answer session to ask a question you May Press Star then one on your telephone keypad, if youre using a speakerphone. Please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.
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Deb: At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
Speaker Change: The first question comes from Rod bourgeois.
Rod Bourgeois: One with deep dive equity research. Please go ahead.
Rod Bourgeois: Hi, guys. Thank you for the commentary a lot of helpful details in there I wanted to start by asking about the interesting turn of events here with the L. A N S outlook, increasing to offset some discretionary weakness that has occurred in X L. A N a.
Rod Bourgeois: Yes.
Rod Bourgeois: So can you talk further about what's enabling the L N S upside in revenues.
Rod Bourgeois: To what extent has that improved volumes, which has been a trend we've seen I guess over the last almost two years now versus how much of it maybe is also related to earlier than expected renewals for more color on that would be very helpful.
Rod Bourgeois: Sure Hey, Rod Thanks for the question really appreciate it and appreciate you joining the call here.
Rod Bourgeois: Yes.
Rod Bourgeois: The two components you raised are pretty interesting youre exactly.
Rod Bourgeois: Right in that the <unk> volume, we've seen increasing consistently over the course of the last several years.
Rod Bourgeois: Clearly we've raised that outlook multiple times, if you recall, we raised it again in this quarter consistently what we're seeing is some increased consumption, we're attributing that rod to essentially use of data right. When you look at our <unk>.
Little bit of repatriation in the market the cleansing of data all of the effort from NII perspective that need more data.
Rod Bourgeois: That particular platform in particular is a source of data right and so in general we've seen.
Rod Bourgeois: System consumption use.
Rod Bourgeois: I would also say we've seen several deals over the course of the last couple of years extend and so to us that is.
Rod Bourgeois: Entrenching even further.
Rod Bourgeois: Sticky platform in a longer term point of view.
Rod Bourgeois: Into that client portfolio. So the example of clients looking originally we were renewing for three years or five years is looking for five or seven years and really doubling down on that effort. So we've been very pleased with that I mentioned, our 2050 strategy and the multiple tiers to that 2050 <unk>.
Rod Bourgeois: <unk> for clear path forward really about unlocking that data as I mentioned earlier.
Rod Bourgeois: Fixed on I'll say, the specialized services support which is the application layer and the modernization layer of that and then there is the continued use of that platform as we continue to add functionality. So so really helpful. In that regard and I guess the other side of your question on the.
Rod Bourgeois: The <unk> side.
Rod Bourgeois: We're pretty confident and you heard Deb and I, both indicate that confidence that that ramp is is pretty solid for the rest of the year. We're expecting Q2, Q3 and Q4 to continue to increase.
Rod Bourgeois: From from.
Rod Bourgeois: Growth perspective, as well as from a margin improvement perspective, I mean, we've got really good line of sight into that as most of that revenue in our guidance is embedded in our backlog.
Rod Bourgeois: And when you think about the deals that we signed in the back half of last year and what we're signing in the front half of this year those things are coming to revenue recognition and so that gives us a good degree of confidence in the ability for that business to continue to ramp.
Rod Bourgeois: As we had expected.
Rod Bourgeois: Alright, and so the natural follow up to that is.
Rod Bourgeois: So the the.
Rod Bourgeois: The guidance update for 2025 overall encouraging.
On a sequential basis, what what types of sequential growth assumptions are needed in X L. N M and L. A and also in <unk> can you give us some expectations on how the sequential growth progression should play out in each side of the business.
Speaker Change: Yes look I'll give it to you at kind of a macro level here, we're expecting increasing growth assumptions essentially every quarter on quarter. So it will pick up a little bit in Q2, we're expecting more in Q3 and more again in Q4.
Rod Bourgeois: Again, I look at that through the lens rod of.
Rod Bourgeois: The backlog in the pipeline and when these deals are coming online. We clearly know when that's going to happen we've seen an uptick in volumes in field services as we've talked about in our prepared remarks, both on the PC side and on the infrastructure side and the infrastructure side of that work is obviously higher margin.
Rod Bourgeois: Work, so that's kind of a knock on impact to the margin profile.
Rod Bourgeois: Again, I think fairly well aligned to our expectations.
Rod Bourgeois: Because most of that again is in backlog and in contracts that were already working the <unk> component of that we knew the back half of this year was going to be higher due on the renewal timing schedule, we're calling for a $35 65 split front half back half.
Rod Bourgeois: And so there are some significant contracts to be signed in Q3, and Q4 and some of those in Q4, where the cash will actually come in in 2006. So again as you know we've got really strong visibility into those contracts and in general those contracts end up as we talked earlier.
Rod Bourgeois: With some additional consumption as well as.
Rod Bourgeois: Either at the same timing or longer extension on those contracts. So we feel pretty strong about our ability to execute against that.
Rod Bourgeois: Alright, and I've got to slip one more in you mentioned the enterprise storage work commencing in Q1.
Speaker Change: Given your dws capabilities and the relationships you have in that market are you in a position to derive some growth from AI related data center build outs and the maintenance of those data centers.
Rod Bourgeois: Yeah, absolutely I mean, that's obviously been part of our strategy.
Rod Bourgeois: <unk> mentioned that we were spending some more money kind of in balance of that revenue. That's really about training that team hiring that team in advance of the revenue that that we have good line of sight that is coming through some of the OEM contracts that we signed at the tail end of last year, we've seen that activity.
Rod Bourgeois: Start it started a little later in the in the quarter than we were originally anticipating but it did start in March we're seeing that continue through April.
Rod Bourgeois: We expect that that will continue to ramp.
Speaker Change: Alright, Thanks Scott.
Rod Bourgeois: Thanks Rod.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti. Please go ahead.
Anja Söderström: Hi, and thank you for taking my questions.
Speaker Change: Ah.
Speaker Change: So you laid out.
Speaker Change: The confidence you're having into 2025 guidance, but how.
Speaker Change: How confident are you in your 2026 targets at this point.
Deb: Yes look I think Deb mentioned.
Deb: Briefly in her prepared remarks that we're still on track to meet our cash flow expectations as we've talked about in our <unk>.
23, Investor day, So really nothing has changed in our trajectory for that Deb talked a little bit about the slope of the.
Deb: <unk> and probably specifically the dws component of that over the course of that two year period, but really no change in our confidence level of exceeding the plan that we laid out in 'twenty three.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you and you haven't seen any sort of wait and see our hesitation among your customers.
Deb: Based on the MACRA I'm, sorry from tests going on.
Deb: Yes, no of course, we have as has everyone right I mean, we know what we know at this point in time and I think we laid out the areas. Why we think we are not as exposed as perhaps some others may be it may be the areas of risk in auto.
Deb: <unk> or retail we have very little exposure to China, we have very little direct exposure to the U S. Federal government, but clearly volatility in the market gives people pause and pause ended up delaying the signing of contracts and as you know on you as we get into.
Deb: Tract signing for things that we signed in the front half of the current year, we expect some level of revenue recognition in year four of those signings. So even update push a quarter that may push the timing of some of that revenue recognition, but we have not seen and frankly, we've seen.
Deb: A little bit of the opposite the pipeline is growing our backlog is growing as we've indicated.
Deb: And so even though there is there is pause, let's say in pulling the trigger on signing of some contracts, it's not affecting the front end of the pipeline, we're seeing that grow just fine and it's growing in the areas that.
Deb: That we think is aligned to our business.
Speaker Change: Okay. Thank you I'll get back into queue.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, Thanks Tanya.
Speaker Change: Again, if you have a question. Please press Star then one.
Speaker Change: The next question comes from Arun Seshadri with BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Speaker Change: Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions I'm, sorry, I signed on a little bit late just wanted to see Mike if.
Speaker Change: You had any thoughts you know obviously you've.
Speaker Change: Since you've taken over leadership of the company any sort of broader strategic things youre thinking about that might be different.
Speaker Change: From from the prior strategies.
Speaker Change: It'd be great to hear and then also just in terms of the quality of the pipeline and the backlog can you talk a little bit about I guess, given the macro uncertainty.
Speaker Change: Have you how are you how are you sort of assessing the quality of your backlog and when.
Speaker Change: When you go back and look at.
Speaker Change: When you go back and look at some of that backlog is there any natural pairing that you would do in order to make it.
Speaker Change: A little bit safer.
Larry: Thank you Larry.
Speaker Change: Some other companies.
Speaker Change: Yes.
Speaker Change: Great. Thanks, a room for further questions are there is a lot in there so I'll try to unpack some of that.
Speaker Change: Maybe just trying to do it in the order in which you asked it.
Speaker Change: Thinking about the strategy or my leadership here.
Speaker Change: That's been pretty consistent as you know I've been with the company just about a decade now and have been the owner of the strategy for the last couple of years and so.
Speaker Change: I don't expect that we're going to see a whole lot from a strategic point of view different than what we've been executing and we're really focused on the execution of our strategy versus the change of our strategy, but the main components that that I'm going to continue to spend my time on and we will continue to kind of steer the company is around <unk>.
Speaker Change: Spansion of our market awareness I think we've done a really nice job of that over the course of the last couple of years, but it's this continual effort to get deeper and deeper into the client base and make sure that not only our existing clients, but our perspective clients no no Unisys know, what we do know what our.
Speaker Change: These are et cetera. So the work we do with the industry analyst and advisors is really important in that particular aware area.
Speaker Change: The other area of focus is the continued solution distinction I think we've done a really nice job of illustrating that you see that in the leader quadrant profiles that we're getting from various industry analysts. So we'll continue to make sure we're staying at the front edge of technology in there.
Speaker Change: We continue to bring our clients what they need to advance their businesses as well as maintain their overall cost profile et cetera, and then the other area of continued focus as the enhanced development and success of our associate base, that's a really important element.
Rod Bourgeois: Just tying back into rods question, keeping ahead of the needs in field services and the agenda Guy compulsion.
Rod Bourgeois: Apartment of knowledge management and service desk. The work, we're doing the apps modernization and AI ops embedded in C&I, it's really important that that our staff development allows us to continue to make that differentiation. So from a strategy perspective, I think those are consistent themes that we've been applying over.
Rod Bourgeois: The course of the last couple of years and you should expect that we will continue down that path and hopefully way and even more deeply in all three of those areas.
Rod Bourgeois: The other half of your question really relating to two pipeline and backlog look I think we've done a really nice job over the last couple of years. So theres really no calling of the pipeline needed I think we do a good job of ensuring that that happens at the front end of our process, we have a pretty rich.
Rod Bourgeois: Our process for qualification of deals.
Rod Bourgeois: I think the whole point about the expansion of market awareness and alignment to our solution really helps drive that at the front end of the process.
Rod Bourgeois: And we really spend a lot of time looking at the wind shaping of that early on so the expectation is not really seeing the pipeline decline in fact, we're seeing pipeline increases specifically in new business and as a total company.
Rod Bourgeois: And I think the quality of that pipeline since we're qualifying it earlier on is better and more aligned to solutions that we think we can win.
Rod Bourgeois: Which ultimately should increase our win rates I wouldn't give you just a little color to not only are we adding to the top end of the funnel from a pipeline perspective, but the pipeline that we have right now is actually a little more mature. So what that means is that those deals are in later.
Rod Bourgeois: Ages in the pipeline, which means we've got a little bit more insight to our ability to actually close and when and qualify those so.
Rod Bourgeois: Feeling pretty good about that from a strategy perspective, we could always use more clearly the macros are causing pause on signing contracts, but certainly not causing pause in our ability to have discussions with clients and further qualified deals.
Rod Bourgeois: This concludes our question and answer session.
Speaker Change: I would like to turn the conference back over to Mike Thompson for any closing remarks.
Speaker Change: Before you go I would like to Echo three key messages that we hope you took away from today's remarks.
Speaker Change: First we have a clear line of sight to achieve our full year revenue growth guidance and believe we will be above the midpoint of our full year profitability guidance, which is a testament to our continued focus on driving more efficiency through delivery and operations and the resilience of our diverse stream of revenues across solutions clear.
Speaker Change: Ryan's sectors and geographies.
Speaker Change: Second our clear path forward 2050 strategy continues enhancing the ecosystem of uses software and industry solutions, providing opportunities to expand some of our deepest and longest client relationships.
Speaker Change: And third we believe we have substantially derisked, our pension exposure through consistent execution of our strategy keeping us on track to fund our contributions. In addition, we're actively monitoring market conditions to opportunistically expand our debt structure and further advance our pension mitigation strategy.
Speaker Change: You all for joining US today, operator, you may end the call.
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