Q2 2025 Wayfair Inc Earnings Call

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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Krista, and I will be your conference operator. Today, at this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Wayfair Q2 2025 earnings release conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press star 1 again. Thank you, and I would now like to turn the conference over to Ryan Barney, head of investor relations. Ryan, you may begin.

Good morning and thank you for joining us today. We will review our second quarter 2025 results. With me are Niraj Shah, co-founder, Chief Executive Officer, and co-chairman; Steve Conine, co-founder and co-chairman; and Kate Gulliver, Chief Financial Officer and Chief Administrative Officer. We will all be available for Q&A following today's prepared remarks.

I would like to remind you that our call today will consist of forward-looking statements, including but not limited to those regarding our future prospects, business strategies, industry trends, and our financial performance, including guidance for the third quarter of 2025.

All forward-looking statements made on today's call are based on information available to us as of today's date. We cannot guarantee that any forward-looking statements will be accurate, although we believe that we have been reasonable in our expectations and assumptions.

Our 10-K for 2024, our 10-Q for this quarter, and our subsequent SEC filings identify certain factors that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statements made today, except as required by law. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any of these statements, whether as a result of any new information, future events, or otherwise.

Also, please note that during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures as we review the company's performance, including adjusted EVA, adjusted EVA margin, and free cash flow.

These non-GAAP financial measures should not be considered replacements for, and should be read together with, GAAP results. Please refer to the investor relations section of our website to obtain a copy of our earnings release and investor presentation, which contain descriptions of our non-GAAP financial measures and reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the nearest comparable GAAP measures. This call is being recorded, and the webcast will be available for replay on our IR website. I would now like to turn the call over to Niraj.

Thanks, Ryan, and good morning, everyone.

Quarter results with you. The second quarter was a resounding success, defined by accelerating sales and share gain, in tandem with expanding profitability.

As we've discussed over the last few years, we can and will grow profitably while taking significant share in the market.

We operate the business by balancing investing for the future with growing our current profitability, with the objective of maximizing EBITDA and free cash flow over the long term.

The second quarter was a nice proof point of the journey that we've been on, and even more exciting of what is to come.

Year-over-year revenue growth of 6%, excluding the impact of Germany marks, is the highest growth rate we have seen since early 2021.

Our over 6% adjusted EBITDA is down. Margins demonstrate the significant leverage in our model, as previewed in our Investor Day 2 years ago. It's just the beginning of what we believe we can achieve over time.

Switching gears. As we started the quarter there was intense Focus from investors on the ramifications of tariffs on our sector and how this would impact wayfair's competitive position.

As we previously described, the marketplace forces of our inventory-like model give us unmatched flexibility. With our global network of more than 20,000 suppliers offering over 30 million products and constant competition to present the strongest value to the customer.

The benefits of this model continue to prove self-evident despite the various ups and downs of the broad business environment.

Specifically, when we look at the actual items that customers are viewing and purchasing today,

Prices have remained relatively consistent with the first quarter.

As we spoke about in the spring, suppliers take different approaches to managing cost increases.

While some may pass through pricing.

Others who want to win share in a demand-constrained environment will choose to keep their prices more competitive, and we use all the methods at their disposal to do so.

Our model allows us to surface the products with the best value for our customers, enabling us and our suppliers to gain share and grow revenue.

Pricing consistency is largely reflected in our results on average order value as well.

The sequential growth in the second quarter mirrored, what we saw last year as we're talking through some of the moving pieces.

AOV is an output of unit prices, items per order, and mix.

We've seen some modest growth in average items per order. But mixed is the primary driver of your aov growth.

Our specialty retail brands and paragraphs continue to outperform.

To 2 is the peak of the outdoor category in which we're a large participant.

Wayfair Professional posted double-digit growth after a few quarters of increasing momentum.

The strength in our top line was a combination of healthy AOV growth and a nice step up in order growth from Q1.

This is partially a function of the new long-cycle initiatives that we've been seeding, and many of those efforts have started to bear fruit in 2025.

We'll quickly run through a few of those now, but I'd encourage anyone less familiar with Wayfair to review some of our prior calls for more details.

We introduced Wayfair Verified in the fourth quarter.

A curation program designed to give customers a shortcut to items in the catalog that reflect the highest quality and value standards across every style and price point.

Wafer verified as an editorial review program, where our merchants hand inspect key items and provide first-hand detail on why they have selected that specific item.

The verified check mark provides a guidepost for shoppers as they navigate our endless aisle.

And the response from customers has been very positive.

These items are driving outside performance. Converting over 25% better, achieving approximately 20% higher net promoter scores, and generating higher repeat purchase behavior compared to non-verified items.

The number of items in the program and the prominence of them in the experience will continue to grow over the course of the year.

The second initiative to call out is Wayfair Rewards, our paid loyalty program that launched last holiday season.

The initial excitement we saw for Wayfair Rewards at the time of launch continues to gain traction, with member growth and customer lifetime value curves exceeding our initial expectations.

We'll have more details to share on the success we're having in the not too distant future.

Hi, physical retail continues to generate momentum across our portfolio of brands.

As May marks the 1-year anniversary of our first large-format Wayfair store outside of Chicago.

We saw an impressive in-store response to major promotional events in the quarter, like Way Day and Memorial Day, showcasing the power of bringing the Wayfair brand to life in an omnichannel experience.

While the sales halo and the metro area from the store have been tremendous, the impact on categories where Wayfair's, less top of mind, is even more pronounced.

More than a 35% increase in higher consideration for home improvement purchases, such as bathroom renovation items and kitchen cabinets.

Earlier this year, we announced additional Wayfair stores coming to Atlanta in 2026 and New York in 2027. Just this past week, we announced plans for a Wayfair store outside of Denver to open in late 2026.

We're excited to see the impact that these doors have in these key metros as we look to replicate the success we've had in Chicago.

We also opened our first Paragraph store in May in Highland Village in Houston, and it's off to a great start, with a second store opening in West Palm Beach this fall.

These are just three initiatives. The full list of initiatives is quite long, and some of the most exciting ones are due to the tech re-platforming efforts over the last few years.

Ongoing improvements in the shopping experience, generative AI-powered enhancements for customers and suppliers, and an expansion of our supply chain capabilities are just a few of the areas seeing rapid advances.

Stepping back, the roadmap we have on these various initiatives, combined with our relentless focus on top-tier execution, paints an exciting picture ahead where Wayfair is accelerating share capture and growth.

All this is possible due to the deep partnerships we have with our suppliers across technology and people, but also via deep operational integration across all aspects of their business.

Our logistics offering is one of our key competitive modes, and an area where we see growing supplier eagerness to lead in.

As a reminder, to those new to Wayfair Castle, Gate is our proprietary logistics network spanning inbound logistics, storage, and outbound fulfillment. It's powered by exhaustive technology and operations, with more than 60 buildings totaling 22 million square feet across multiple continents.

We've been investing in Castle Gates since 2015 and have built out one of the world's only networks custom-designed for the fragile, heavy, and bulky products that define the home category.

Cascade forwarding is our inbound logistics and ocean freight forwarding operations.

We enable suppliers to maintain a regular flow of goods as production shifts around the globe.

And they fill up operations in new geographies.

Many of our suppliers are small businesses, who, individually, lack the volume to consistently secure cost-effective and reliable ocean freight capacity on their own.

Our forwarding services provide access to large, high-quality ocean carriers on amenable terms, which we can then share at competitive rates with our suppliers.

We enable this by not just providing the transportation capability to move the goods.

But by also offering cost-effective ways to consolidate the goods to enable forward positioning to many locations.

We've seen a 40% year-over-year increase in total volume using our castle gate forwarding offerings over the last year, driven by increases in both active suppliers shipping on our surface and average containers per supplier.

We've also expanded to new markets, like Brazil and India, unlocking additional volume and enabling suppliers to more easily diversify their production footprint.

Reasons: Supply chain volatility has only reinforced the value we offer our suppliers. In fact, we've seen a more than 30% increase in long-term inbound commitments with suppliers compared to where we started the year.

Once the product has made its way into the domestic markets, the players are keen to leverage our Capital Gate Fulfillment Network as the best way to forward position their products.

The percentage of our revenue that comes from products shipped out of our own fulfillment centers, what we call Castlegate penetration, is roughly 25% today, up about 400 basis points year-over-year.

The benefits from the Cascade Network are numerous: suppliers achieve broad forward positioning and speed badging, which lifts conversion, lowers incidents and return rates, lowers shipping costs, and thereby lowers retail prices to consumers.

Lower prices, of course, drive conversion and enhance customer perception, leading to improved customer lifetime value.

Logistics is one of the few areas where improvements help the supplier, the customer, and Wayfair all at the same time.

With the uptick in Cascade penetration, we've seen the percentage of items on site with speed badging increase by over 800 basis points year-over-year. The percentage of items with 1- and 2-day badges increased by approximately 400 basis points as we exited the second quarter.

We've also seen a nice drop in average ship distance per order versus last year, driven by the growth in penetration.

This enhances the customer order-to-delivery experience and results in higher customer NPS.

Suppliers enjoy the benefits they get from participating in the Cascade Network, and one piece of feedback we've heard over the years is a desire to take advantage of our capabilities for more of their order volume.

To that end, we're excited to share a key development in our logistics offering: the expansion and marketing of CastleGate to suppliers for fulfilling orders outside of their Wayfair business, what we call multi-chain.

Multi-channel has existed in the background for quite some time, but in a different format and on a very small scale. These were primarily for clearing distressed inventory.

Over the past 18 months, we've invested in operational and technology experts to evolve this offering into a comprehensive third-party logistics service, tailored for the home category.

Pick and ship is our core service offering and provides suppliers with competitive rates, premium service, integrated inventory management, and streamlined order fulfillment for any of their customers.

After testing with a small subset of suppliers in 2024, we launched the full offering to our entire supplier base earlier this year.

The response has been resounding.

Multi-channel volumes are rapidly scaling, and we now have hundreds of suppliers utilizing the offering.

We have a line of sight to continue momentum as existing multi-channel suppliers are growing their inbound volumes, and with a healthy pipeline of new suppliers onboarding to the program.

For suppliers, Multi-Channel provides a competitive 3PL alternative specializing in heavier, larger home goods.

For Wayfair, the benefits are significant as well.

First, we generate an additional revenue stream and profit center that is accredited to adjusted even dumb margins.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, multi-channel opens up the next leg of the cascade: penetration by growing the inventory pool with which we can offer an enhanced customer experience.

Suppliers can now more efficiently include a broader product set, and Castle can stock it deeper, expanding our offering of forward-positioned items and growing their in-stock rates. This translates to better speed and lower prices for customers, improving our network efficiency.

Definitely, the multi-channel offering creates a win for our suppliers, a win for our customers, and a win for Wayfair.

That's the philosophy we bring to everything we do. Every dollar we spend solves for the best outcome across our customers, suppliers, and Wayfair.

Two decades of this approach have taught us that building great things takes time.

But when done with thought, care, and prudence, we can have a payoff well worth the wait.

You're seeing some of that this quarter.

With years of work, we've achieved some of the best growth and profitability flow through our business that we've seen since the pandemic.

We couldn't be more excited for what lies ahead in 2025 and beyond.

And thank you. With that, let me turn it over to Kate.

Thanks, Neeraj, and good morning, everyone. Let's dive into our results for the second quarter.

Starting with the top line, net revenue grew 5% year-over-year and 6%, excluding the impact of our exit from Germany.

This is driven by strong performance across all of our brands and geographies, with our U.S. business up over 5% and our international segment growing over 3% compared to the second quarter of last year, showcasing the momentum we're seeing in Canada, the UK, and Ireland.

Our Q2 sequential order growth of 10% reflects strong execution and share capture, despite a complex operating backdrop.

Let me continue to walk down the P&L.

As I do, please note that the remaining financials include depreciation and amortization but exclude equity-based compensation-related taxes and other adjustments. I will use the same basis when discussing our outlook as well.

Gross margin for the quarter came in at 30.1% of net revenue.

For over a year now, we've discussed how our ability to measure demand elasticity in virtually real time enables us to make tactical investments on a level of granularity and precision that few other retailers can replicate. The result of this work drives our share spread wider and leads to outcomes like we saw in the second quarter: growing orders as well as growing profit dollars. We continue to see high returns from these investments today.

You have spoken at length about Castlegate and the ways that our model is advantageous as we drive penetration higher. This gives us more flexibility as we think about strategic areas of reinvestment. Our goal is to maximize adjusted EBITDA dollars.

Multi-channel is an important part of that puzzle, so it might be worthwhile to walk through the economics as it starts to scale.

Revenue and program costs mostly sit in the cost of goods sold. The offering has a similar gross margin profile to the business and aggregate, and critically, the flow-through becomes very attractive as we think about bridging from the gross margin rate of the multi-channel business to its profit contribution. The costs after gross profit are much smaller than they are for the business at large, meaning multi-channel has a variable profit profile closer to its gross margin, making for a creative economics as this business grows.

This is an important concept that we've discussed in pieces before, but Bears, some reiteration. Now, we are always solving for growing multi-quarter adjusted EBIT dollars.

We achieve this by optimizing revenue growth with our flow-through after accounting for gross profit, customer service, merchant fees, and advertising costs.

Most of these expenses are largely variable, like gross profit and customer service and merchant fees, or can be dialed up and down based on payback, like advertising expense.

These flow-through dollars offset our selling operations technology, General and Administrative, or SOT GNA expense, our bucket of fixed costs.

Let's walk through how we did on that basis this quarter.

Customer service and merchant fees came in at 3.6% of net revenue for the quarter.

Advertising was 11.4%, showing a solid path of sequential declines from the peak Q4 2024 and Q1 2025 levels.

There are multiple factors coming together to drive the advertising leverage seen in this quarter.

First, as we shared in the past, we are rigorous about holding each of our channels to specific payback periods, and we adjust spend when testing data indicates that we are over or under our threshold.

You are also seeing some efficiency here from areas where testing data has shown we should pull back spend to hold to our targets.

We are constantly evaluating the effectiveness of our marketing spend, and due to our proprietary ad tech stack and tooling, we can nimbly react to ROI data.

As we discussed last year, we made a sizable push into the middle and upper funnel channels beginning in the fourth quarter of last year.

Some of those were more recent channels to Wayfair, like TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and more, where we were testing the efficacy of these investments.

Last fall, we explained how there is an initial de-lever period that comes as a ramp to scale spending across several channels at the same time, and that many of these take multiple quarters to pay back.

These investments set the stage for future revenue. And you see the fairing fruit here today as revenue of dollars associated with the prior quarter spend flows in.

It's also worth noting that we are seeing encouraging momentum in direct traffic.

Starting with our loyalty program, Wayfair Rewards is more than a way to generate incremental share of wallet and order momentum. It naturally leads to more direct traffic as customers return to Wayfair to spend the rewards dollars on their next find for their home.

We also continue to see healthy engagement with our apps, with the second quarter marking the highest level of installs since Q4 2020. The percent of Wayfair's revenue from the app continues to climb steadily to all-time highs, up to approximately 30%.

Now, coming back to the concept of flow through, we drove a rate of 15.2% in the second quarter, 30.1% gross margin, less 3.6% for customer service and merchant fees, and 11.4% for advertising.

That's the best result we've had since 2023 and was critical to the success we had in driving EBITDA and free cash flow dollars in the quarter.

We think this is a helpful construct for investors to bear in mind as they model the business, as it takes a more comprehensive view of our cost structure than any one of our variable line items alone. Combined with GNA, leverage drives total EBITDA flow-through.

Selling operations, technology General and Administrative expenses were $370 million in the second quarter. This was down by roughly $30 million compared to the second quarter of last year, while we did see modest sequential growth. Some of this was due to mixed shifts between Opex and capitalized labor. In fact, when you pair the SOT G&A with our site and software development costs in the quarter, our capitalized labor line, we have now reached the lowest levels of combined spend since Q2 2019.

A testament to the years of cost efficiency we have driven, AC, the organization.

In total, we generated $205 million of adjusted EBITDA dollars in the second quarter, representing a 6.3% margin on net revenue, including a 7.8% adjusted EBITDA margin in our U.S. segment.

As we mentioned earlier, we are now realizing the powerful profitability flow through of our model, which we have been building towards for years, even in a very challenging environment.

Did the quarter have $1.4 billion in cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments, and $1.8 billion in total liquidity?

Cash from operations was $273 million, and capital expenditures came in at $43 million. This reflects the March technology restructuring following our replatforming efforts, which drove lower capitalized labor, combined with tight discipline around fulfillment capex and some timing variances on physical retail, some of which will rebalance in the quarters ahead.

Free cash flow in the second quarter was $230 million, marking the strongest free cash flow generation since the third quarter of 2020. This was driven by approximately 20% quarter-over-quarter revenue growth, resulting in a healthy working capital benefit.

We deployed approximately $200 million of cash in the quarter to retire more of our 2025 notes and nearly all of our remaining 2026 notes at attractive discounts to par.

Looking ahead, after just a small step of the remaining 2025 due in October, we will sit with a clean balance sheet all the way out to September of 2027.

This has been a remarkable evolution in our capital structure over the last year, driven by intense operating discipline and rapid profitability growth.

Let's now turn to guidance for the third quarter of 2025.

Beginning with the top line quarter to date, we are trending up in the mid-single digits year-over-year, and we would expect to end the quarter up in the low to mid-single digits. This outlook for the full quarter continues to include approximately 100 basis points of drag from the exit of our German business earlier in the year.

Turning to gross margins, we will guide you to the lower end of the 30 to 31 range once again.

Just like our operating philosophy across all parts of our business—whether it's investments in the customer experience and sharp pricing, or thinking about the growth of multi-channel over time—we will always be thoughtful and data-driven about whether to pocket growth margin gains tactically or reinvest them.

Customer service and merchant fees should be just below 4% in line with recent quarters. We expect advertising to be in the range of 11% to 12%. If net revenue reflects a continuation of the dynamics we saw last quarter, this range should be the correct ballpark going forward.

Stepping back, we do not view any of these line items in isolation. In any given period, a dollar of investment that impacts growth may have a higher ROI on the margin line than a dollar on the advertising line, and vice versa.

As you've seen us demonstrate, we remain nimble in our investment makes across the P&L, solving for the highest volume of revenue in Ibaad dollars across a multi-year view.

Finally, GA is expected to be in the range of 360 to 370 million once again in the third quarter.

This is the right quarterly run rate for the business today in light of all of our operating efficiency work.

Following the guidance down, we anticipated adjusted EBITDA margin to be in the 5% to 6% range for Q3.

Now, let me touch on a few housekeeping items. We expect equity-based compensation and related taxes of roughly $75 million to $95 million. Depreciation and amortization should be $73 million to $79 million.

Net interest expense of approximately $30 million, weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 130 million, and capex in the $55 million to $65 million range.

Wrapping up this quarter's results is just an early illustration of the strengths of our model.

Our healthy topline growth and robust profitability are a reflection of the value we bring to both our customers and our suppliers, as well as the tremendous evolution we've undertaken in our cost structure, all while continuing to invest for the years ahead.

As you've heard us say many times in the past, this is a Wayfair built to both drive exciting share capture and profitability expansion at the same time. We have never been more focused on the opportunity in front of us and confident in our strategy: discipline and execution.

Thank you. And with that, Steve and I will take your questions.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to ask your question again, press star 1. We also ask that you limit yourself to 1 question and 1 follow-up. Your first question comes from the line of Christopher Harver with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

It's very strong still. Um, but anything you pick up on, on the consumer side, whether it's pull forward, or some differential between the low and high-end consumer would be really helpful. Thank you.

Thanks Chris. Um,

Well, great. Let me share, I guess, a few thoughts related to all that.

Um, I guess what I would say on the market, if I just start with the macro and then maybe I'll talk specifically about Wayfair. If you just look broadly at the market, what I would say is that the market this year is definitely better than the last three years, where it was down substantially each year. But I think the market is still, you know, flat to down low single digits.

And I would describe the market not as having strength, but as sort of, uh, feeling like it's bottomed out, like bumping along the bottom.

And in terms of pull forward, we have not seen any signs of pull forward. Like, if I showed you a demand chart and asked you, hey, where this year where tariffs are now, it's when were they escalated, when were they rolled back? When were they settled? You would not be able to find any points in that demand chart that would make you feel confident, oh, something happened here or something happened there. So, that's not really there. Um, you know, there's no question the higher-end market is stronger than mass. Um, that's definitely the case. Um, I think you kind of see that in a lot of different data, but that's not really surprising if you just think about the category being discretionary. So, what I would say is the category's kind of, it's on a bottom, it's bumping along on bottom. After a few years of declines, it's not showing great strength.

But it's it's just maybe maybe you can call it stable because, you know, flat to down. Low singles is not, you know, moving around at time. Now what's happening way here I think is very different which is that I think our strength is structural. And I think what we've been doing, um, you know, over the course of time is building momentum and over this year. We, you know, we've been seeing momentum build from q1 to Q2 and then we've seen momentum continued to build Q2 to Q3. So we're actually I think, um, pulling away. And I think the reason for that is specific to some Wayfair uh, specific drivers and the way I think about that is that we've sort of had 1 Main pillar and we've talked a lot about it, which is how we've taken share every quarter. Since the fourth quarter of 2022, which is that we focused a lot on improving the core recipe, which is price selection, availability, speed of delivery and by working with our suppliers, I mean, very focused on those things. We may be able to kind of continue to improve the customer experience with those things. The customer benefits from those things and that has

been a driver of our share game.

I would say what's notable though is historically, we've had 3 pillars in how we grow. And we've had that 1 back intact, kind of postco since the fourth quarter, 22, and it's worked for us to take share, but we now have the other 2 pillars back intact.

And that that's the notable change. There's a second pillar. It's basically just a, you know, remind everyone on the call, you know, we have a 2500 person, technology organization and so those are software Engineers data scientists product managers designers

Um and we build a tremendous amount of our own technology and with that, we're able to improve the customer experience and improve the supplier experience in a way that grows the business.

Well, for a number of the last few years, we've basically focused that team on replatforming a lot of our core systems. And so that took the vast majority of our development cycles.

And you know, it both at the time and and in hindsight was the right decision. So even though we weren't able to progress the business with technology, the truth is building the modern platforms to facilitate faster developer velocity. And you know, to basically, you know, deprecate the old platforms, it allows us to really be uh you know much stronger with the technology we can put forward. Well now that we're very far into that replatforming effort, a lot of the cycles of that team are now back building feature and function to improve the customer experience, improve the supplier experience, and you see that affect things, whether it's conversion rates, um, whether that's enabling suppliers to do more on the platform whether that's launching New Gen, AI, powered features, whether that's efficiency gains in in our operations. And so that's that's been a great Boon so that second pillar is back intact.

And then the third pillar is somewhat related to that second pillar but it's as you know, from 2022 to 2024 we also embarked on getting our organizational structure back working great postco. So that that's the balancing of senior with Junior, folks, the right sizing of teams, you know, and that that took a lot of work and was very distracting. Well as as we got through that, you know, we have a great team today. Great team in place and now they're back driving the business forward um at a faster speed than we've had before. And um, 1 of the ways that we they they

If there are improvements, we're making logistics. There's a whole series of things. Those new programs are somewhat relying on the team, having the cycles for it, and somewhat reliant on the technology support for those. So now we have these three pillars back in place, right? The recipe keeps getting better.

The technology uh Cycles are available to drive the business forward and we've been launching and growing new programs and so I think that's where you're seeing you know the momentum build.

And then my my thought question is is is for Kate. How do you think about the long-term, you know, profitability? Um, ladder higher. If you went back to the 23 analyst day, you you definitely saw the the benefit of Leverage on Advertising. Leverage on, sot GNA.

A key piece to the low double-digit Plus.

Uh, AA margin Target was, was also a gross margin. So can you talk about like is the, is there something changing in the business? That, that makes that sort of Paradigm and framework, different. As we look forward versus what you talked about in 2023, thank you.

Yeah. Thanks Chris. Um, so if you alluded to, you know, in in the analyst day in 23, we spoke to getting to towards north of 10% agency, margins. And I think you're seeing us actually make really nice progress, um, on that path. And we feel very good about our ability to, you know, achieve that. And, and, and, you know, continue to see momentum there.

Um, you know, to your point, there are a few different elements to that. I referenced on the call part of how we look at it internally is to Think Through the components that really drive to what we would call our contribution margin. So the gross margin less the um, customer service and Merchant fees unless the ad costs and ensuring that. You know, we're optimizing on that contribution margin to then cover off on the sot GNA and provide that really nice incremental flow through um that you saw this quarter and you know we want to continue to see and we do trade off across the elements within there to ensure that we're doing the right thing to maximize um over time adjusted, Eva dollars which you know ultimately then drives 1 of our Corridor Stars which is driving positive owners earnings so the adjusted EBA dollars, less the capex less, the SBC you saw that very nicely, positive this quarter. Um and so the combination of the gross margin, the customer service, which is the the acnr those things.

Driving to that contribution margin, trying to drive that up over time, then helps you get to that adjusted EA dollars and helps you get to that adjusted dub margin that we talked about. So I wouldn't say that there's anything fundamentally different in the way that we're looking at the business, but we do want to provide a framework to help folks think through how we make trade-offs across those lines to ensure that we are driving to maximizing adjustability, but that dollars, which then in turn, you know, obviously drive that margin.

And the only thing I would just chime in to add to what Kate Kate said because the Kate, I think recapped. It really well is, you know that positive owner's, earnings and maximizing. That is really a goal we have. So if you think about that, well how would you do that? Well the if you kind of run out scenarios, you would see that. Hey if I believe I can grow Revenue at a pretty uh meaningful rate and do it while protecting the flow through at a significant level it you you would see that that compounds very quickly. And so

You end up optimizing for that because that that is what's going to give you the, the kind of that asymmetric upside. And so we're very focused on that. You're starting to see that manifest when you you see the highest revenue growth highest profits since 2021 and we're telling you momentum is building well. Okay, well where could that go if that builds over time? Well, that's what we believe the opportunity is. But so that's not focusing on Revenue growth and that's not focusing on profitability. It's a combination of the 2, right? So you need, you need to have the flow through. And if you couple that with meaningful Revenue growth, then then, then you really are going to maximize the dollars.

Got it. Thanks very much.

Thanks Chris.

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Keith with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hey uh thanks. Good morning and uh, great results guys um following up on the flow through questions. So that the flow through bargain, uh, does look particularly good right now. And the, the Q3 guide looks like it's holding steady at a strong level maybe even strengthening. I'm wondering, are we at an like a new normal? We could see the power of the model with Revenue growth or is there some kind of an elevated contribution margin today? As we're kind of coming off the bottom and and now starting to see some of that incremental growth

That the cost discipline we we've you know held to over the last few years. Um the impact of that um overall profitability as we started to see momentum in the top line.

And then this was really poised for significant flow-through as you saw that momentum. Um, and you know, we're really pleased with that flow-through, that contribution margin this quarter. And then obviously the incremental margins being, you know, very solid this quarter because of that stock holding in there and remaining in that $360 to $370 range as we said. So, you know, I think what you're hearing from us is this is what we expected to see. We've been driving the business to this point for many years now. And you see the momentum in the top line really manifesting in that nice adjusted EBITDA flow-through and that nice adjustable margin. So it's not, you know, that there isn't anything abnormal in here; there isn't anything unusual. It's just really that build over the last few years getting us to this point.

And what? I

Peter, I think just to make sure I think I understood the question correctly. So I think if you look at that contribution margin, you know, of of 15%, I think you were asking, you know. Um you know,

You know, is there is there some reason that that's too high? I would say, you know, if you if you if you do think back to the investor day and think about what we're talking about now that we we think no we think that's a good level and that's that's the point. It's like if you have that type, if you have that level of contribution margin and you couple it with meaningful Revenue growth, that's how you create the outcome. We're talking about.

Okay. Very good and then, um, I did want to follow up on um, the marketing and so it is interesting that you made the, the uh investment in Q4 around influencers. You saw the de-lever then and now now you're seeing accelerated growth. Could you unpack that a little bit? Um, are, are you starting to see an uptick in some of that, uh, middle and and upper income customers coming into the funnel, which could be a direct result of that, uh, that marketing, how's it been going? And could you even accelerate further?

Yeah, so what I would say is that if you look inside the ad cost bucket, I think what you would see is there are two significant trends that are both happening at the same time.

Um, 1 is that the emerging channels, which would be things, like, influencers, or things like Tik Tok, like segments, where we've been under penetrated, um, arguably behind and we focused on, uh, figuring out the right recipe to crack them economically. But we've made really good Headway there, and we're growing them quite nicely, and they are getting us in front of a new incremental, set of customers. So, we're really excited about that.

I will say that the amount of the total budget that's spent in those areas is still pretty modest, but it's actually performing really well and growing nicely.

I would say the bigger thing that's happened. Um on the ad cost line is through a lot of testing, and some enhances to some of our measurement models. We've also been able to identify pockets of our spend, which we do not believe we're contributing at the economic payback, we wanted. So even though they were creating some revenue for us, it was not at at a cost level, that would make sense to us. So there what we've done is we've trimmed out those pockets of spend because we're now able to uh identify them better and as we trim them out, it creates a revenue headwind. So like for like um you know, ad costs would be higher Revenue would be higher but it makes sense to trim them out. They're not worth um that level of spend. And so what you've seen is that overall even though we're growing these emerging channels on net, we're getting a lot of advertising costs leverage because of how those 2 add together and we're pretty excited about the combination of those 2 things that are that are happening. And you know, you could hear from Kate's guide kind of our expectation that we there's nothing kind of 1 time about that.

Very good. Thanks so much.

Your next question comes from the line of David Bellinger with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. Could you just help us understand the progression of the revenue growth through the quarter, especially in the U.S.? And you mentioned not a lot of price moving across the platform yet. So how should we think about that layering in over the back half?

Volume um, are, you know, maintaining their price efficiency and that's resulting in ongoing customer engagement that result in, you know, order volume ink wide. Um, being slightly positive, this quarter. And indeed, as we look into the second quarter, you actually see order volume, you know, building more momentum into that are starting to the third quarter order, volume, building more momentum. So as we think about how this Trends in the third quarter, we've actually said, you know, we're actually trending mid single digits quarter to date coming off of a, you know, very nice Black Friday in July promotion and we feel really good about the momentum that we're seeing in the business.

Great. Thank you. Kate and may maybe a longer term question is, is we start to explore some of this, you know, agentic shopping, AI agents or starting to see more of this across consumer and understanding Wayfair is using, you know, Decor fee and Muse is, is there anything else we should be aware of? In terms of, you know, customer facing AI. We we've seen some of this new beta testing on the app a discover tab with some AI generated images and and nearer, you were just talking about the the pivot from the developers to showcasing more features. So anything new there, anything else we should be aware of going forward. Thank you.

Yeah, that. Thanks. Um, David. Um, so what I would say is, um,

There's a bunch of places that are consumer-facing where the experience is getting improved through GenAI. And so, some of that you'll see in things like search results in sort order, in product descriptions, product-level imagery.

Attribute um attribute sort of a coverage and accuracy, so that there's a lot of things like that um that are already um happening and then there's a lot more to come. One of the things, you know, um I'm sure you kind of think about in our category, it's different than a category where you know exactly what you want. Where, you know, most retail categories are, uh, branded and, uh, a large portion of those are consumable categories where you're buying the same thing, or you're buying something and you kind of very specifically know what you want. Here, where um there's a lot more product discovery. There's a lot of content around trends. You might create different types of uh, events. You're trying to personalize based on someone's style and their price point. You're um, you're trying to have engaging content, so they come back more often. Um, and then, you know, how you can use video and, you know, the the cost and the quality of what you can create on videos is dropping really fast with genetics. So there's a lot of things that we're also working on that are yet to come. And then there's sort of really.

Engaging features, like you mentioned to corify and Muse. Um, uh, this is what we do in the Discover Tab and there's more coming there as well, including a lot of, um, types of experiences that would have a lot more to do with, like, what we're doing with influencers, off-site of what we could do on site. So I would say that's an area that you can just kind of keep watching and so we've done a bunch of things but there's a lot more coming as well. And I think in our category it can make for a very rich experience

Great, thank you both.

Your next question comes from the line of all of our winter mantel with evercore isi. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks and good morning. Um, could could you guys comment on the revenues from repeat customers versus, uh, orders from new customers? It looks like, uh, order. Some new customers grew a little bit faster, this quarter. Um, you want to see what what the trends were there through the quarter.

Yeah. Um, you know, all, as you point out, we did see new order growth this quarter, which is exciting. We always want to see that kind of momentum. Um, but we're not seeing anything, you know, fundamentally different in the repeat business as well. Um, and so, as you think about, you know, how do we build the top line and the share gains over time, some of those share gains are going to come from, you know, lifetime value of repeat customers. And some of those share gains are going to come from new customer acquisition and new customers engaging on the platform. And so we want to be seen as both of those moving in the right direction. We feel really good about directionally where those, you know, where each of those are trending.

Got it. Thank you. And then a follow-up on on mix. I think. Uh, near you said that within aov mix was the was the biggest driver if you can maybe comment on the the 3 Parts, like units per order items per order or uh, the mix. Um, if if uh what what uh, what the magnitudes were. Thank you.

Yeah. Thanks, Allie. I think, um, so.

If you think about the mix, where we've got some higher-end brands, some lower-end brands, we have different geographies, um, we have different categories.

Big piece of the total, so what I guess. Well, the same way we were talking about, um,

You know, the price level of items is not really changed. And so most of what you're seeing in aov is really mixed. I guess that would be. Yeah. And and I think it, you know, Ollie, it's it's a little bit too. You know, there can be mixed within our categories. Um, but there can also be mixed across Our Brands so that helps, you know, you're speaking to the momentum, we've talked in the past about parag gold, some of the specialty retail Brands and our B2B business, all of these things come in at substantially higher aovs, um, and so that mix helps Drive the overall IV up. Even when you're not seeing like for like pricing changes and I think it's important, you know, there was a lot of discussion around, are we going to see like for like pricing changes? So I think it's important to call out. That's not what we're seeing. We are seeing some typical seasonality in aov and we are seeing you know this mixed benefit in aov.

Thanks very much, and good luck.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan mutsuki with Jeffrey's. Please go ahead.

Nice quarter, and thanks for taking my questions. Uh, the first one was on market share. Is there any evolution you're seeing in the source of your games? Obviously, you've had a string of multiple quarters of consecutive share gains, but in this fragmented industry, are you seeing any different changes in terms of where you are picking up share? That's my first question. Thanks.

I’m sure. Sure, John, thanks for your question. Um,

I would say at a high level, no. I mean, what we're still seeing is that it's obviously a very large category; it's very fragmented. Um, you know, there's been some notable...

Uh, companies, um, who had decent-sized, who went out of business. There's also a very long tale of smaller companies that have gone out of business, and then there's a lot of folks who are just losing share over time. There's a relatively small number of folks who are winning and taking share, and you know, in the past, we've mentioned that Amazon is taking share; we've mentioned Home Goods is taking share; and we commented that we believe that, um, our sales and those two, if you look back over the last few years, are the three notable, largest share winners. That's what would look consistent in the data as we look at it over time. So, the same story's playing out, um, and it's just kind of continuing.

Thanks and then just a quick follow-up on David's question. Maybe more from an external lens but we've been seeing a growing percentage of your site. Traffic being referred by uh, you know, folks like chat GPT or perplexity, you know, small overall, but but growing exponentially. So maybe if you could discuss, how Wayfair is positioned in itself externally, you know, to benefit from, you know, consumers increase and they using these llms as as shopping assistants, thanks.

Yeah, sure sure. John so

I think you're describing it well in the sense that, you know, whether it's OpenAI or Google Gemini or Perplexity, the amount of traffic coming from them is rising, but it's very, very small. And so.

That said, given the magnitude of the change, it's not something you're going to, you know? So our view is, you know, we're kind of doing multiple things. 1 is how, how do you optimize, um, the interaction with them. So that those, those, those, uh, platforms can understand Wayfair well, so that is their, their, their recommending things they can recommend Wayfair.

Um, then a number of those platforms. Also have desires to get into shopping in the same way. Google got into Google shopping or Pinterest got into, uh, you know, shopping, um, and the the different goals of how high in the funnel. They want to stay, and it's going to vary by category. Because again, if you're replenishing, uh, Commodities that you buy on a weekly or biweekly basis, that's 1 level of execution, they can do. If it's a, if it's a much more complex category, there's a different level of assistance, they can provide. And so we we're working with each of the major players on ways that we can optimize things uh, together. I think this is an area where our technology um, strengths can help us a lot because a lot of what, um,

A lot of what our team can do, the same way. We've been a close partner with...

Google and meta and Pinterest and others over the years as they have evolved their uh kind of upper funnel products.

Um, and we've been able to help them and benefit, um, by, um, being very early in its, it's analogous, I think to what's happening here. Um, and I think we benefit from being a category where frankly product selection is not a commodity UPC item with a, you know, SKU number where just, uh, you know, who's got the cheapest price that can have it delivered by Friday, where that's a thing. Um, where the customer actually wants to pick the right thing where it's complicated to pick or delivery is a complicated activity. These are fragile, heavy prone to damage items. So I think

that, you know, each category, um, type will manifest differently and I think we're set up well, um, for our category, um, and to be a partner with these folks as they become, uh, larger source of our customers start,

Helpful, best of luck.

Thank you.

Your next question comes from the line of Simeon. Gutman with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Uh, good morning. This is Pedro. Gil on for Simeon. A nice quarter. Thanks for taking our questions. Uh, my first 1 is about demand. Um, how do you reconcile the Improvement in demand that you're capturing this quarter with the fact that housing turnover is still depressed? And are you seeing an uptick in the replacement cycle? Absence the housing cycle?

And as a follow-up, uh, what are you hearing from vendors? In terms of profitability? Do they feel like they're earning enough or do prices potentially need to increase in the back half of the year?

Yep.

Addresses earlier in some of my comments in the sense that

You know, I wouldn't say the categories is doing great. So, to your point about housing, turnover, uh, being depressed. If you look at the demand level in the category, you know, you've got you've got 3 years where it went down by kind of significant amounts per year and now you have it kind of flat down, you know. I I think I said, I thought it was flat to down uh, low single digits. And so that's not a strong uh,

Environment and I think 1 of the reasons it is that way is exactly what you mentioned about housing turnover and existing home sales being off by so much. So I think that's still the case. Now the way, I reconcile, how we're doing with that to your question is that I think our strength is structural and specific to Wayfair? And that was what I was trying to describe with the 3 pillars and effectively how we're able to grow through our own actions. I think it's important to realize the category is still a very big category. So you have hundreds of billions of dollars of spend in this category. And it is very fragmented. It's arguably far, too fragmented and the strong players are providing an experience. That's much, much better than what the average participant can provide.

So, what would it naturally then make sense for customers to do. I think that's where we can pull demand away from places that someone may have gone by providing that customer with a better experience, and that's across the recipe. That's across what we can do with technology and that's across what we can do with new programs. So we think that's what's happening. And, um, we think there's like a lot of evidence to support that. Um, and you can kind of see that yourself.

Um, on your second question around suppliers, um, and uh, you know, with profitability, you know, are their margins uh, workable. I think what we've seen from suppliers is that they're very keen to not raise prices on Goods. Because what they've seen is, if they raise prices on Goods, they lose demand for those goods quite quickly.

And it's a competitive world. There's a lot of suppliers. You know, we have over 20,000 suppliers on our platform and they are to some degree in competition with each other. So they know that. Hey, if I take an item, it's doing well, I raise its price, it could kill that item. I don't want to do that. So suppliers are pretty Keen to figure out, how to how to maintain those prices. And there's a lot of levers between you know, is there room on the manufacturer's margin is there room in their margin is their room and what they've built in for ocean, Freight pricing where ocean Freight is a state at lower level prices and has not become elevated again. And so there's ways um to uh, work to make sure that items are popular with customers as a certain price point can stay that way.

And so this is this is what we're hearing, broadly from suppliers.

Got it. Thank you. Good luck.

Thank you.

We have time for 1, more question and that question comes from the line of Brian. Nagel with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning, thanks for slipping me in here. Next quarter.

So, thank you. Bye. My my first question and it's going to be repetitive. So I apologize. But you're just looking at this, the sales trajectory here in Q2 and then the guide is in the Q3 and there's clearly been a nice inflection stronger.

So I guess the way I want to ask a question is, did you know over the, you know, these, you know, this period. So to say, did did wafer pull some specific lever? Or did it was it more a matter of just kind of business coming together to drive that to drive these the stronger Top Line?

Yeah, thanks b. I I would actually say, you know,

I think the demand has been building and I think it's just now building to a level that it's easier to see.

and obviously,

By um rationalizing. Some of the ad costs based on some of the improvements we're able to make in the way we were able to measure and model different tranches of the ad cost in a way, that's actually been a great benefit for us overall. Um, because again, as I mentioned Revenue, growth is 1 goal. The the contribution margin flow through is the other goal. The combination creates this, uh, uh, growth in dollars and the owner's earnings, which is really the ultimate goal. Um and so there's there's not 1 lever. It's it's a it's what I described with the 3 pillars playing out and that's when playing out you know not not not necessarily this quarter um but but over the course of this year and you're just seeing you're seeing this building.

yeah, the mo the

You know, is near said earlier a few times the momentum feels, you know, to us driven by these structural business initiatives. Not by any 1 time events any, you know, unique pull forward. Anything like that.

and and that momentum is, you know, continuing

Oh God, this is for a helpful, but my second question, just with regard to, uh, gross margin. So

You know, again, you're you're kind of guiding towards, you know, for the Q3 that that lower end of the normalized range. But, you know, you mentioned a lot, you know, how much control you have over this and, you know, kind of your decision, you know, to to reinvest upside.

When you when you're looking at the gross margin, you know in particularly the sales are are returning stronger. What what what specific is that? Re what what is that reinvestment? What? You know, where where are you? Where are you putting that? That upside back into the model? So to say,

Yes, it's a great question. I mean, as we've spoken about in the past,

Um, we always want to be thoughtful about how we're continuing to drive value for our customer, right? And so 1 of the levers, um, that we think about is investing in price. We've talked about in the past using our large, you know, first party data sets to really have a fine-tuning on that elasticity curve and where we think we should be optimizing on that curve. And so often when we think about Price investments, which can take the form of, you know, take rate reductions or co-investment in promotion or thinking about where we want to land on that elasticity curve to overall Drive growth profit dollars on this multi quarter basis, ultimately you know flow through right, that 15% contribution margin that we hit this quarter and we talked about and ultimately driving adjusted Eva dollars and adjusted Eva margin. And so we'll take into account where we think we should be, um, you know, on that elasticity curve. Um, to ensure that, you know, we are optimizing their but we also invest in other parts of the customer experience, like, for example, speed or improvements in the delivery,

Experience from, um, you know, Deluxe thing or consolidation of delivery, all of these things are really important to us, um, to help overall, you know, Drive value for our customer and you know drive that adjusted Eva dollars growth and adjusted Eva margins.

Okay, it's a very helpful. I appreciate it. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. And that concludes our question and answer session and I will now turn the conference back over to the Wayfair team for closing comments.

I just want to thank everyone for your interest in Wayfair and for for joining us today. We look forward to talking with you again next quarter and hope everyone's enjoying the summer.

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