Q2 2025 AXIS Capital Holdings Ltd Earnings Call
Operator: Good day, and welcome to the AXIS Capital second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. And to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Cliff Gallant, Head of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. Please go ahead, sir.
Good day and welcome to the Access Capital second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal the conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero.
After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Pete Vogt: Thank you. Good morning and welcome to our second quarter 2025 conference call. Our earnings press release and financial supplement were issued last night. If you would like copies, please visit the Investor Information section of our website at axiscapital.com. We set aside an hour for today's call, which is also available as an audio webcast on our website. Joining me on today's call are Vin Tizzio, our President and CEO, and Pete Vogt, our CFO. In addition, I would like to remind everyone that the statements made during this call, including the question and answer session, which are not historical facts, may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions.
To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touchtone phone and to withdraw your question please press star then 2. Please note. This event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Cliff Gallant, hit him, investor relations and corporate development. Please go ahead sir.
Thank you. Good morning and Welcome to our second quarter 2025 conference. Call our earnings press release and financial supplement were issued last night. If you would like copies, please visit the investor information section of our website at access capital.com
We set aside an hour for today's call, which is also available as an audio webcast on our website. Joining me on today's call or Vince Studio, our president CEO and Pete vote our CFO.
Pete Vogt: Actual events or results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors, including the risk factors set forth in the company's most recent report on the Form 10-K or our quarterly report on Form 10-Q and other reports the company files with the FCC. This includes the additional risks identified in a cautionary note regarding the forward-looking statements in our earnings press release issued last night. We undertake no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. In addition, our non-GAAP financial measures may be discussed during this conference call. Reconciliations are included in our earnings press release and financial supplement. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Vince.
In addition, I would like to remind everyone that the statements made during this call including the question and answer session which are not historical facts. May be forward-looking statements for looking statements evolve risks, uncertainties and assumptions actual events or results May differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors including the risk factors set forth in the company's most recent report on the Forum 10K or our quarter quarterly report on form, 10 q and other reports. The company files with the SEC. This includes the additional risks identified and the cautionary note regarding the forward-looking statements in our earnings press release issued last night. We undertake no obligation to publicly update, or revise, any forward-looking statements,
In addition, our non-gaap financial measures may be discussed during this, this conference call.
Vince Tizzio: Thank you, Cliff. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call. This was an excellent quarter for AXIS as we continued to build on our sustained positive momentum while achieving record performance across a range of indices. I'll begin by sharing several AXIS Group results. We delivered an annualized operating return on equity of 19% in the quarter, record diluted book value per common share of 70.34, up 18.6% year over year. Operating earnings per share was an all-time high of 329, a 12% increase over the prior year quarter. We produced record second-quarter premiums of 2.5 billion, including 732 million in new business, and we generated a combined ratio of 88.9. Catastrophe events in the second quarter approximated an industry loss of 25 billion, and AXIS continued to manage its volatility profile by having just over a tenth of a point of market share loss.
Reconciliations are included in our earnings, press release and financial supplement. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Vince.
Thank you. Cliff. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call.
This was an excellent quarter for Access as we continue to build on our sustained positive momentum while achieving record performance across a range of indices.
I'll begin by sharing several access group results.
We generated a combined ratio of 889.
Vince Tizzio: We're delivering strong results in a market that remains impacted by uncertainty stemming from trade disruption, tariffs, and geopolitical tensions, all of which can lead to inflation, rising loss costs, and impediments to growth. Notwithstanding, we continue to lean into the strategy that we shared with you at our Investor Day. Let's now dig deeper into the performance of our segments, and we'll start with insurance. Our insurance segment, again, delivered an outstanding quarter, highlighted by a current excellent year ex-cac combined ratio of 83.2 and an overall combined ratio of 85.3. Record premium production of 1.9 billion, highlighted by 6.5% top-line growth and 641 million in new premiums written, with new business pricing achieving our hurdle rates. Net written premium grew 8.1% in the quarter, and we generated underwriting income of 152 million, our highest on record.
Catastrophe events in the second quarter, approximated and Industry loss of 25 billion and axis continued to manage its volatility profile by having just over a tenth of a point of market share loss. We are delivering strong results in a market that remains impacted by uncertainty. Stemming from trade disruption tariffs and geopolitical tensions, all of, which can lead to inflation Rising loss costs. And impediments to growth notwithstanding, we continue to lean into a the strategy that we shared with you at our investor day.
Let's now dig deeper into the performance of our segments and we'll start with insurance our insurance segment. Again, delivered, an outstanding quarter highlighted by a current accident year, xcat combined ratio of 832 and an overall combined ratio of 853 record, premium production of 1.9 billion. Highlighted by 6.5% Topline growth and 641. Million in new premiums written with new business pricing. Achieving our hurdle rates
Vince Tizzio: In North America, we produced exceptional financial results with premiums up 8% over the prior year quarter, submission flow up more than 22%, and produced further improvements in our underwriting metrics against our quote, bind and policy service standards. Of note, our new and expanded product offerings continue to deliver productivity gains, including sustained growth in our lower middle market business. In our global market division, we continue to observe competitive market conditions, particularly in property. Our focus remains on selective growth, which in the quarter included our A&H and renewable energy businesses. We'll now discuss broader market conditions within insurance. We are competing across a series of micro markets, each with their own risk dynamics. In this environment, we are continuing to maintain premium adequacy across our aggregated portfolio as we cycle manage where needed, while also leaning into attractive business lines.
net, written premium grew 8.1% in the quarter and we generated underwriting income of 152 million, our highest on record
In North America, we produced exceptional financial results, with premiums up 8% over the prior year quarter. Submission flow was up more than 22%, and we produced further improvements in our underwriting metrics against our quote, bind, and policy service standards. Of note, our new and expanded product offerings continue to deliver productivity gains, including sustained growth in our lower middle market business.
and our Global Market division, we continue to observe
competitive market conditions, particularly in property, our Focus remains on selective growth, which in in the quarter included, our A&H and renewable energy businesses
We'll now discuss broader market conditions, within insurance.
Vince Tizzio: It is our observation that the market broadly continues to be disciplined and rational, albeit competitive. But as mentioned at our Investor Day, we remain bottom-line focused and target business that meets our risk-adjusted return thresholds. Let's unpack this further. In casualty, rates were up 12% in the quarter. We generated 14% increases in both rate and growth within our US excess casualty business. US primary casualty rates increased 12.5%. As respects property, we produced flat to low single-digit growth with an 11% rate reduction overall. We go to market with eight underwriting units spread across the globe, which are seeing varying degrees of competition, and we benefit from the diversity of our customer segmentation in these units.
We are competing across a series of micro markets, each with their own risk dynamics. In this environment, we are continuing to maintain premium adequacy across our aggregated portfolio. As we cycle manage where needed, we are also leading into attractive business lines.
It is our observation that the market broadly continues to be disciplined and rational albeit competitive. But as mentioned at our investor day, we remain bottom line focused and Target business that meets our risk adjusted return thresholds
Let's unpack this further.
In casualty rates are up 12% in the quarter. We generated 14% increases in both rate and growth within our us excess casualty business.
Us primary casualty rates increased 12.5%.
As respects property, we produced flat to low single-digit growth.
with an 11% rate reduction overall
To go to market with 8 under units.
Vince Tizzio: Our portfolio remains highly premium adequate, maintains an average net limit in the low single digits, is well balanced in parallel and geographic mix, and has treaty protection that attaches at 100 million per event. In professional, we grew 15%. Our investment in new and enhanced products, including design professional, allied health, and environmental, are bearing fruit, as these lines are now consistently contributing to our growth. 50% of the growth in professional came from E&O. We will continue to execute on our stated management liability product strategy, ex-public D&O. Finally, we would observe that D&O public pricing was virtually flat in the quarter, indicating that the potential floor has been reached. As respects cyber, the industry is navigating an evolving risk landscape where AI is enabling more sophisticated attacks with heightened frequency of mid-size ransomware losses.
Spread across the globe. What you're seeing varying degrees of competition and we benefit from the diversity of our customer segmentation in these units.
Our portfolio remains highly premium adequate maintains an average net limit in. The low single digits is well, balanced in Peril and Geographic mix and has treaty protection. That attaches at a 100 million per event.
In professional, we grew 15%.
Our investment in new and enhanced products, including design, professional Allied Health, and environmental are bearing fruit as these lines are now consistently contributing to our growth.
50% of the growth in professional came from Eno.
We will continue to execute on our stated management liability product strategy. X public dno.
Vince Tizzio: Even with this loss activity, pressure increasing has continued and is particularly acute from MGAs. Within the AXIS portfolio, our underwriting standards remain vigilant in helping insurers protect themselves from ransomware matters. As previously reported, we continue to execute the reshaping of our cyber portfolio. In the quarter, we reduced our delegated cyber book by 35 million and remain on track to complete this work by the end of the third quarter. We continue to invest in analytic capabilities to help inform our risk selection. We'll now move to reinsurance. We again delivered positive bottom-line results as we maintained our commitment to generate consistent profitability and low volatility. In the quarter, we produced a combined ratio of 92, underwriting income of 38 million, and specialty short-tail lines, a key area of our focus, contributed 37% of our book premiums in the quarter with attractive returns.
Finally, we would observe that dno public pricing was virtually flat in the quarter. Indicating that the potential floor has been reached as respect cyber the industry is navigating and evolving risk landscape. Where AI is enabling more sophisticated attacks with heightened frequency of midsize ransomware losses,
Even with this loss, activity pressure and pricing has continued, and is particularly acute from MGAs within the access portfolio. Our underwriting standards remain vigilant in helping ensure we protect ourselves from ransomware matters. As previously reported, we continue to execute the reshaping of our cyber portfolio in the quarter. We reduced our delegated cyber book by $35 million and remain on track to complete this work by the end of Q3.
We continue to invest in analytic capabilities to help inform our risk selection.
Vince Tizzio: Our underwriting strategy in reinsurance is highly disciplined. As I've commented previously, we remain selective in professional and even more so in liability, particularly in North America, where despite positive rate momentum, seeding commissions are not commensurate with our portfolio progress. A number of our seedants have begun enhancing their underwriting and claim processes. The progress observed will take time to be evidenced, and as such, we are managing our exposure in this line. Taken together, across our businesses, we're pleased with our sustained progress underpinned by our ability to cycle manage, identify profitable growth pockets, and leverage our global product platform while providing value to our distribution partners. Enabling our progress, we continue to make investments in our business through our How We Work program. By example in the quarter, we further advanced the modernization of our underwriting platform while leveraging emerging technology and AI.
Reinsurance, we again delivered positive, bottom line, results as we maintained our commitment to generate consistent profitability and low volatility in the quarter, we produced a combined ratio of 92 underwriting income of 38 million and Specialty. Short, tail lines. A key area of our Focus contributed 37% of our book premiums in the quarter with attractive returns,
Our underwriting strategy and reinsurance is highly disciplined as I've commented previously. We remain selective in professional and even more. So in liability particularly in North America, where despite positive rate momentum exceeding commissions are not commensurate with our portfolio progress.
A number of our students.
Have begun enhancing their underwriting and claimed processes. The progress observed will take time to be evident and as such we are managing our exposure in this line.
Taken together across our businesses, we're pleased with our sustained progress, underpinned by our ability to cycle manage, identify profitable growth pockets, and leverage our global product platform while providing value to our distribution partners.
Enabling our progress. We continue to make investments in our business, through our, how we work program.
Vince Tizzio: This includes enhancing our North American underwriting platform with several AI-powered services, deploying automated clearance capabilities to facilitate more straight-through processing, and augmenting underwriting decisioning by leveraging third-party data to build a deeper understanding of our insurers. In closing, I remain highly encouraged by the consistent positive trends in our performance and the momentum that we've built. Underlying our strong execution is a focused and disciplined underwriting culture, a resilient and well-diversified book of business, and an exceptionally skilled team. We believe we are very well positioned in the market, and we see ample opportunity for continued profitable growth as we leverage our specialty capabilities to help our customers navigate a dynamic risk environment. Finally, I'll extend my gratitude to my AXIS teammates for their outstanding efforts as we together help our company realize its specialty leadership aspirations. I'll now pass the floor to Pete for his comments.
By example, in the quarter, we further advanced the modernization of our underwriting platform while leveraging emerging technology and AI. This includes enhancing our North American underwriting platform with several AI-powered services, deploying automated clearance capabilities to facilitate more straight-through processing and augmenting underwriting decisions by leveraging third-party data to build a deeper understanding of our insurance enclosures. I remain highly encouraged by the consistent positive trends in our performance and the momentum that we've built underlying our strong execution, which is a focused and disciplined underwriting culture, a resilient and well-diversified book of business, and an exceptionally skilled team.
We believe we are very efficient in the market, and we seek ample opportunity for continued profitable growth. As we leverage our specialty capabilities to help our customers navigate a dynamic risk environment.
Pete Vogt: Thank you, Vince, and good morning, everyone. AXIS had another excellent quarter. Our net income available to common shareholders was 216 million, or $2.72 per diluted common share. And our operating income was $261 million, or $3.29 per diluted common share, producing a 19% annualized operating return on common equity. This drove our book value per diluted common share to $70.34 at June 30, an increase of 18.6% over the past 12 months. I'll start with consolidated company underwriting highlights. Our gross premiums written of 2.5 billion were up 3.1% over the prior year quarter, with accelerating growth initiatives in insurance partially offset by an expected decline in reinsurance. Our combined ratio was an excellent 88.9%, and our exponent year loss ratio ex-cac and weather was 56.4%. CAC losses were just 37 million, producing a CAC loss ratio of 2.6%.
Finally, I'll extend my gratitude my ACT to my access teammates for their outstanding efforts as we together helped our company realize its specialty leadership aspirations. I'll now pass the floor to Pete for his comments. Thank You, Vince and good morning. Everyone axis had another excellent quarter.
Our net income available to Common shareholders, was 216 million or 2.72 cents per diluted common share.
And our operating income was 261 million or $3.29 per diluted common share.
Producing a 19% annualized operating return on common equity.
This drove our book value per diluted, common share to 70.34 cents at June 3 0 6.
I'll start with Consolidated company underwriting, highlights.
Our gross premiums written of 2 and 1.5 billion were up 3.1% over the prior year quarter with accelerating growth initiatives in Insurance partially offset by an expected decline in reinsurance.
our combined ratio with an excellent 88.9% and our excellent year loss, ratio xcat and whether was 56.4%
Pete Vogt: CAC losses were primarily driven by severe convective storms in the United States. We adhered to our philosophy of wanting to see sustained positive signals before releasing reserves, and we recorded a release of 20 million from the short-tail lines, with 15 million in insurance and 5 million in reinsurance. Our consolidated G&A ratio, including corporate, was 11.6%, up slightly from 11.4% a year ago, as we had one-time costs related to severance and made information technology investments in the quarter. In the prior year quarter, we had a below-the-line charge for reorganization expenses, which included similar type costs. The investments we're making give us increased confidence that we will hit our full-year 2026 target of an 11% G&A ratio. Now let's move on and discuss our segment results in more detail. Insurance had a strong quarter.
At losses are just 37 million producing a cat loss ratio of 2.6%.
Cat losses were primarily driven by severe convective storms in the United States.
We adhere to our philosophy of, wanting to see sustained positive signals before releasing Reserves.
And we recorded a release of 20 million from the short-tailed lines with 15 million in insurance and 5 million in reinsurance.
Our Consolidated GNA ratio including corporate was 11.6% of slightly from 11.4%. A year ago.
As we had 1-time costs related to Severance and made Information Technology investments in the quarter.
In the prior year quarter, we had a below the line charge for reorganization expenses, which included similar type costs,
The Investments we're making us, give us increased confidence that we will hit our full year. 2026 Target of an 11% GNA ratio.
Now, let's move on and discuss our segment results in more detail.
Pete Vogt: Gross premiums written were 1.9 billion, a record quarter for insurance, and an increase of 7% compared to the prior year quarter. As Vince mentioned, excluding the remediations in cyber, growth was just under 9%. As we told you before, we expect to complete the cyber remediation in the third quarter with approximately 20 to 25 million remaining. Property remains a very attractively priced book, but there are growing rate pressures, and as you can see, we held the line with just 1% growth. As we have noted, we have a diversified property book spanning eight product lines. And in the quarter, E&S property and global property were both down, but offset by other products, most notably renewable energy and UK property. Liability is where rate momentum is strongest, and we reported 17% growth with particular strength in US excess casualty.
Insurance had a strong quarter.
Record quarter for insurance and an increase of 7% compared to the prior year quarter.
As Vince mentioned, excluding the remediations in cyber growth was just under 9%.
As we told you before, we expect to complete the Cyber Remediation in the third quarter with approximately 20 to 25 million.
Remaining.
Property remains are very attractively priced book.
But there are growing rate pressures. And as you can see, we held the line with just 1% growth.
As we have noted, we have a diversified property book spanning 8 product lines.
And in the quarter ens property and Global property were both down.
But offset by other products, most notably renewable energy and UK property.
Pete Vogt: As Vince mentioned, in pro lines, we had 15% growth driven by new and expanded products, including allied health and environmental, and the 25% growth in A&H was driven by our pet product. Net written premiums were up 11% excluding A&H, which has a new quota share for the pet product. Our net written premium growth is exceeding our gross premium growth due to decreased session rates as we retain more of the risks we know and like. Overall, we're very happy with where we are positioned today as the pricing cycle advances. We're largely through remediation, and some of the investments we've made in product development are beginning to gain traction.
Liability is where rate momentum is strongest, and we reported 17% growth, with particular strengths in U.S. excess casualty.
As Vince mentioned in prole lines, we had a 15% growth driven by new and expanded products, including Allied Health and Environmental.
And the 25% growth in ANH was driven by our pet product.
Net written premiums were up, 11% excluding ANH, which has a new quota share for the pet product.
Our net written premium growth is exceeding. Our gross premium growth due to decreased session rates as we retain more of the risks, we know and like
Overall, we're very happy with where we are positioned today as the pricing cycle advances.
Pete Vogt: Driven by our enhanced product and service offerings, we expect new business growth to continue to be strong, and with less headwinds of remediation, we may see growth in the second half of the year higher than the 6% we saw in the first six months of the year. To echo Vince, we are just beginning to seize the mantle as a global specialty leader. The insurance combined ratio was an outstanding 85.3%. The quarter included 3.6 points of CACs and weather-related losses and 1.5 points of reserve releases from short-tail lines. Now let's move on to the reinsurance segment, where the business is continuing to deliver stable, consistent, and strong profitability. The second quarter typically is about a quarter of our annual premium volume. Gross premiums were down 6.8%, due in part to timing issues, but also our underwriting discipline.
We're largely through remediation and some of the Investments we've made in product development are beginning to gain traction.
Driven by our enhanced product and service offerings, we expect new business growth to continue to be strong.
And with less headwinds of remediation, we may see growth in the second half of the Year higher than the 6%. We saw in the first 6 months of the year.
To Echo Vince. We are just beginning to see the mantle as a global specialty leader.
The insurance combined ratio was an outstanding 85.3% the quarter included 3.6 points of cats and weather related losses, and 1 and a half points of Reserve releases from short tail lines.
Now, let's move on to reinsurance segment, where the business is continuing to deliver stable, consistent and strong profitability.
The second quarter typically represents about a quarter of our annual premium volume.
Pete Vogt: For example, North America liability premiums were down 17%, but exposures were down 28% as we've held back despite getting rate increases in this line. Growth areas have been in some highly profitable areas of credit maturity. For the full year, we expect flat to low single-digit premium growth. The reinsurance combined ratio is 92% with an ex-cac accident year loss ratio of 67.9. CACs were just a tenth of a point, with 1.4 points of benefit from the reserve releases. As we discussed when we reported last quarter, we are taking a cautious stance in booking our reinsurance loss ratio, something we expect to continue to do. We had a very good quarter for investment income at 187 million. The big thing in the quarter was the movement of approximately $2 billion out of cash for the closing of the LPT transaction.
Gross premiums were down 6.8% due in part to timing issues, but also our underwriting discipline.
For example, North America liability, premiums were down 17, expense 17%, but exposures were down 28%, as we've held back, despite getting great, increase increases in this line.
Growth areas have been in some highly profitable areas of credit and security.
For the full year, we expect flat to low single-digit premium growth.
The reinsurance combined ratio is 92% with an XCAT accident year. The loss ratio is 67.9.
Cats were just a tenth of a point.
With 1.4 points of benefit from the reserve releases.
As we discussed or reported last quarter, we are taking a cautious stance in booking, our reinsurance loss ratio something. We expect to continue to do
We had a very good quarter for investment income at 187 million.
Pete Vogt: Please note that since the LPT closed towards the end of April, there was a $4 to $5 million benefit in net investment income from cash in the quarter that won't be repeatable. For our alternatives, we had another better than expected quarter. It benefited from FX, and we would once again say that the quarter's result is about double what we would expect on a more normal run rate. Our outlook for investment income remains favorable as we continue to generate excellent operating cash flow, and the market yield of 5% is above our 4.6% book yield as of June 30. Our effective tax rate of 20.1% in the quarter reflects the geographic mix of our profits. And as a reminder, Bermuda is now a 15% corporate tax rate jurisdiction. We expect the full-year tax rate to be in the high teens.
The big thing in the quarter was the movement of approximately 2 billion dollars, out of cash for the closing of the lpt transaction.
Please note that since the lpt closed towards the end of April, there was 4 to 5 million benefit in net investment, income from cash in the quarter, that won't be repeatable.
For our Alternatives, we had another better than expected quarter.
It benefited from FX and we would once again to say that the quarter's result is about double what we would expect on a more normal run rate.
Our outlook for investment income remains favorable, as we continue to generate. Excellent, operating cash flow. And the market yield of 5% is above our 4.6% book yield as of June 30th, our effective tax rate of 20.1% in the quarter, reflects the geographic mix of our profits. And as a reminder, Bermuda is now a 15% corporate tax rate jurisdiction
Pete Vogt: Despite the gyration of the financial markets, we remain in a very strong capital position. The priority for capital is to advance our strategic goals. And in the first half of the year, we executed on that priority by funding growth opportunities, including the hiring of new teams, and by investing in our digital and analytical capabilities. We also have returned substantial capital to our shareholders this year. And despite not being too far off our all-time highs, we are opportunistically buying back our stock, which we view to be a very attractive use of capital today. In the quarter, we completed $50 million in share repurchases and declared $35 million in common dividends. We have $110 million remaining on our repurchase authorization. While 2025 has been headlined by turbulent financial markets, AXIS's results have been stable, consistent, and at record levels.
We expect the full year tax rate to be in the High Teens, despite the gyration of the financial markets, we remain in a very strong Capital position.
And in the first half of the year, we executed on that priority by funding growth opportunities, including the hiring of new teams and by investing in our digital and analytical capabilities.
We also have returned substantial capital to our shareholders this year.
And despite not being too far off, our all-time highs, we are opportunistically buying back our stock which we view to be a very attractive use of capital today.
In the quarter, we completed 50 million in share repurchases and declared 35 million in common dividends.
We have 110 million dollars remaining on our repurchase authorization.
While 2025 has been headlined by turbulent financial markets.
Pete Vogt: We have spent considerable effort over the past two years under Vince's leadership to make AXIS a stronger, better, more valuable company. We've invested in talent, built out our product offering, improved our service capabilities, gutted through some painful re-underwriting, strengthened our reserve and capital positions, and executed on the How We Work program, all to make AXIS faster and more effective while being more expense efficient. While we are cognizant of the pricing cycle, we believe that challenging times will suit us well and give us the opportunity to truly separate ourselves from the pack. With that, we'd be happy to take your questions.
Access's results have been stable, consistent, and at record levels.
We have spent considerable effort over the past 2 years under Vince's leadership to make access a stronger better. More valuable company.
We've invested in Talent built out our product offering improved. Our service capabilities.
Got it through some pain. Re-underwriting strengthened our reserves.
And capital positions and executed on how we work program.
All to make taxes faster and more effective.
While being more expensive.
While we are cognizant of the pricing cycle, we believe that challenging times will suit us well and give us the opportunity to truly separate ourselves from the pack.
With that. We'd be happy to take your questions.
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Vince Tizzio: Hey, good morning. So my first question is on the insurance segment where you know gross written premium was still up a nice six and a half, net written up eight due to decreased session rates. And it's like, look at your written premium growth. I note that about a third of it is seeded. So my question is, how are you thinking about sessions a few years down the road? I mean, a third is a lot to seed. Do you see that coming down materially? How much? And yeah.
And the first question will come from Andrew Clingerman with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. So uh, my first question is on the insurance segment where you, you know, gross written premium was still up a nice 6 and a half. Net written up 8 due to decreased session rates and it's like, look at your your your written premium growth. I I note that
About a third of it is is seated. So my question is,
How, how are you thinking about sessions a few years down the road? I mean, a third is a lot to see. Do you see that coming down, materially. How, how much, and
Yeah.
Vince Tizzio: Andrew, good morning. This is Vince. Look, broadly speaking, our reinsurance strategy is a composite of many factors. And as you know, as a specialist, given the breadth of our product offering, given the customer segmentation that we are aiming to pursue and penetrate, our strategy will remain agile. In the last couple of years, we've repositioned our reinsurance purchase strategy to comport with our view of risk, the internal capabilities that are enhancing our underwriting risk selection, the increased capital position of our company, the ability to manage our expenses in a different manner than our historical past. While I won't predict the next several years, what I will say expressly is that you should expect our reinsurance purchase strategy to remain agile, flexible, and to comport to our view of risk and all the other factors that we take into account.
Andrew uh good morning. This is Vince. Um look broadly speaking our reinsurance strategy is a composite of of many factors and as you know as a specialist given the breadth of our product offering
Vince Tizzio: As I mentioned, capital, certainly expenses, and our view of risk. I would say at the moment, as I've said previously, we have high confidence in the insurance segment business generally. And as you know, in this quarter, with the exception of our cyber business, each of our businesses grew. And so we're pleased with both the financial result and more specifically to your question, we're comfortable with our current reinsurance purchase strategy. We won't predict the future, as you highlight, in a number of years. But what I would say to you is, remember, we'll be flexible and comport our strategy to our underwriting view of risk.
Given the customer segmentation that we are aiming, uh, to pursue and penetrate. Our strategy will remain agile in the last couple of years. We've repositioned our reinsurance purchase strategy to comport, with our view of risk, the internal capabilities that are enhancing our underwriting risk selection, The increased Capital position of our company, the ability to manage our expenses in a different manner than our historical, past while I won't predict the next several years. What I will say expressly is that you should expect our reinsurance purchase strategy to remain agile, flexible and to comport, to our view of risk and all the other factors that we take into account, as I mentioned, Capital, certainly expenses and our view of risk. I would say at the moment. As I've said, previously, we have high confidence in the insurance segment business, generally, and uh, as you know, in this quarter with the exception of our cyber business, each of our businesses grew
Vince Tizzio: That sounds very thoughtful. And then just shifting over to reinsurance. So I note that the accident year loss ratio went to 68% from 64.5. And you've highlighted a cautious stance on reserving given uncertainty in the environment. Do you feel like the loss ratio now in the reserving process is where you want it to be going forward, or is there a chance that you could get increasingly conservative given what we're seeing with social inflation?
And so we're pleased with both the financial results and, more specifically to your question, we're comfortable with our current reinsurance purchase strategy. We won't predict the future, as you highlight, in a number of years. But what I would say to you is, remember, we'll be flexible and comport our strategy to our underwriting view of risk.
Vince Tizzio: Yep. Thank you. I'll start, and Pete will certainly come in over me. I think first, please observe that this ratio, this loss ratio is fairly consistent with what Pete guided to in the first quarter. And as it relates to our reserve position, obviously, we take a very active management and a consistent philosophy around our reserving. As I noted it in my prepared remarks, Andrew, within casualty liability, North America in particular, we remain highly selective, highly prudent, and we are observing, as I observed, the seeding commission levels not being commensurate. So what I think you can infer is we'll probably hold around the 68, certainly through the balance of 2025. And I think more broadly, as you know, within reinsurance, this is a very clear mandate from our leadership that runs the business. This is a bottom-line focused business unit.
We're seeing issues with social inflation.
Vince Tizzio: They are certainly resisting the temptation of a number of opportunities to gross line the business. 37 odd percent of the premium came from our short-tail specialty lines. We feel very good about the execution of that team. We're highly observant about the changing risk landscape in North America, in particular in liability. I don't know, Pete, if you want to come over the top with that.
Yep. Thank you. I'll start and Pete will certainly come in over me. I think first, uh, please observe that this ratio, this loss ratio is fairly consistent with what Pete guided to in the first quarter and as it relates to our Reserve position. Obviously, we take a very active management and a consistent philosophy around our reserving. As I noted it in my prepared remarks. Uh Andrew within casually liability. North America in particular. We remain highly selective highly prudent. And we are observing as I observed the commission, seating commission levels, not being commensurate, so, what I think you can infer is. We'll probably hold around the 68. Certainly through the balance of 2025 and I think more broadly, as you know, uh, within reinsurance, this is a very clear mandate, uh, from our our leadership that that runs the business. This is a bottom line focused business unit. They are certainly resisting the Temptation uh of a number of
Pete Vogt: No, I think you said it well, Vince. I would say we're very consistent with what we did in the first quarter, where we did move up some loss picks in our specialty lines. We've held that in the second quarter. And on our casualty lines, we've been very consistent for the last year, and we haven't really changed our view of risk there right now. So I would expect it to stay right around that level for the rest of the year, Andrew.
opportunities to to gross line, the business 37 odd percent of the premium came from, our short tail specialty lines. We feel very good about the execution of that team where highly observant about the, the changing risk landscape in North America in particular in liability. I don't know if Pete, if you want to come over the top with that. No. I, I think you said it. Well Vince. Um, I would say we're very consistent with what we did in the first quarter.
Vince Tizzio: Got it. Thanks a lot.
We did move up some lost picks in our specialty lines. We held that in the second quarter and on our casualty lines. We've been very consistent for the last year, and we haven't really changed our view of risk there right now. So, I would expect it to stay right around that level for the rest of the year, Andrew.
Got it. Thanks a lot.
Pete Vogt: You're welcome.
Operator: The next question will come from Charlie Leder with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
You're welcome.
The next question will come from Charlie leair with BMO Capital markets. Please go ahead.
Charlie Lederer: Hey, thanks. So Vince, you pointed out the diverse series of markets AXIS is faced with today. Can you help us understand whether pricing is ahead of loss costs and insurance, and then separately the same question for reinsurance?
Okay, thanks. Um so Vince, you pointed out the diverse uh series of markets accesses faced with today. Um, can you help us understand whether pricing is ahead of loss, costs and insurance and then separately? Um, the same question for for reinsurance
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, I think what I would say, Charlie, good morning first, is that we are continuing to observe a changing rate landscape environment. Clearly, in the line of focus, certainly liability, casualty, we comfortably are pricing well ahead of trend. As you know from our financial results, the property environment has driven our short-tail line pricing deterioration in relevant part. Having said that, as I noted in my opening remarks, the premium adequacy of the aggregate portfolio remains excellent.
Yeah, I think what, what I would say, Charlie, good morning first is that we are continuing uh, to observe a changing rate landscape environment. Clearly in the line of focus, certainly liability casually, we comfortably our pricing. Well ahead of trend as you as, you know, from our uh, Financial results. Uh, the property environment has driven, our short tail line, pricing deterioration in relevant part. Having said that, as I noted in my opening remarks, the premium adequacy of the aggregate portfolio remains excellent.
Charlie Lederer: Thanks. And I guess just my follow-up. So looking at page 18 of the supplement, wondering just with all the changes in the mix, if you could unpack, I guess, what we're seeing in terms of paid loss and IB&R trends in the insurance segment.
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, happy to. Thank you. So first of all, this business, as you know, has been growing reasonably well over the last couple of years. Secondly, and more particularly in the quarter, we had a number of older year claim payments made that certainly added to the paid-to-incurred ratio. Third, as you know, this ratio can be quite noisy from quarter to quarter. And so we observe it over a continuum of time. I think importantly for you and our shareholders, our conservative reserving approach and methodology will remain consistent. The underlying metrics that we're observing through the variety of tools that we use remain favorable in our point of view. Finally, and consistent with our How We Work program, we've made a number of investments in our claims organization, processes, people, tools, all of which is aiming toward a more effective and efficient claims process.
Thanks, um, and I guess just just my follow-up. So, looking at page 18 of the supplement, um, wondering just with all the the changes in mix, if you could unpack. I guess what we're seeing in terms of paid loss and ibnr Trends in the insurance segment.
Vince Tizzio: And so we look through those numbers with an observant eye, just as you. We feel very comfortable with why the numbers are what they are. Pete, I don't know if you want to come in over the top.
Yeah, happy to uh, thank you. So, first of all, um, this business as, you know, has been growing, uh, reasonably well over the last couple of years. Secondly, and more particularly in the quarter. We had a number of older year, uh, claim payments made that certainly, uh, added to the, to the paid to incurred ratio third. As, you know, this, this ratio can be quite noisy from quarter to quarter. Um, and so, we observe it over a Continuum of time, I think, importantly, for you and our shareholders, uh, our conservative reserving approach and methodology will remain consistent, the underlying metrics that we're observing through the variety of tools that we use, uh, remain favorable in our point of view, finally, and consistent with our how we work program, we've made a number of investments in our claims organization processes people tools. All of, which is aiming toward a more effective and efficient claims process. And so we look through those numbers, uh, with an observant.
Pete Vogt: No, the only thing I'd add is a couple of things. When you're looking at that just in the quarter, as Vince mentioned, there is some, I'll call it, volatility that can happen from quarter to quarter. We did have some larger older claims get paid in the quarter. And also, we paid out a fair amount of our wildfire claims from the first quarter and the second quarter, which was really good to get our claims people getting those payments to our clients very quickly because they're in definite need of that. So we did see an uptick in our wildfire claims, and that came through in the second quarter too. But to your point, Vince, to Vince's point, it's a metric that we look at and we digest every quarter and make sure that it's in line with our expectations and understand when a difference is.
Pete Vogt: I would say overall our A to E is tracking as expected this year, and our overall reserve process remains very, very consistent.
I would say overall our A to E is tracking as expected this year, and our overall reserve process remains very, very consistent.
Charlie Lederer: Got it. And if I could just sneak one more in, just on the expense ratio and insurance, I guess the trends kind of changed up a little bit as far as the acquisition cost, you know, started to move down while it was going up previously and the opposite on the G&A side. Can you help us understand, I guess, what drove that and whether we should expect that to continue in the back half?
Pete Vogt: Yeah, this is Pete. I'll handle that, Charlie. On the G&A ratio, I think you're just looking at the quarter to quarter. Last year, I would remind everyone, we did take a restructuring charge, and so there were some expenses that were put below the line with that. So I would look more year to date. If you look year to date, the G&A ratio for insurance is actually down. Oh, I'm sorry. It is actually down about a half a point. And that is going in the right direction. So overall, we feel good about where we are, and we're on track to hit our 11% next year for the entire company. So I'd say that overall. But for insurance generally, the acquisition cost is down a little bit. I would expect it to still be in that high 19s, right around 20 for the rest of the year.
Got it. And and if I could just sneak, uh, 1 more in, um, just the on the expense ratio and insurance. Um the I guess the the trends kind of change it up a little bit as far as the acquisition cost. Um, you know, start move down uh while it was going up previously and uh, the opposite on the GNA side. Um, can you help us understand? I guess what, drove that and and whether we should expect that to continue in the in the back half
Pete Vogt: It's down a bit because we're getting some better seeding commissions on our quota shares. So as we renewed our quota shares, we're getting good seeding commissions. And also, we have a little bit less, you know, as we talked about cyber, we got out of some of our NGA relationships. So that's actually helping on the acquisition costs there a little bit.
Yeah, this is Pete. I I'll handle that Charlie on the GNA ratio. I think you're just looking at the quarter to quarter last year. I would remind everyone. We we did take a restructuring charge and so there was some expenses that were put below the line with that. So I would look more year to date. If you look year to date, the GNA ratio for insurance is actually down. Um, oh I'm sorry it. Uh, it is actually down about a half a point and that is going in the right direction. So overall, we feel good about where we are and we're on track to hit our 11% next year for the entire company. So I'd say that overall. But for insurance generally, uh, the acquisition cost is down a little bit. I would expect it to still be in that high 19s right around 20 for the rest of the year. It's down a bit because we're getting some better seating commissions on our photo shares. Uh, so as we renewed our quarter shares, we're getting good seating commissions. And also we have a little
Vince Tizzio: I think the bumpers there, Pete, is one, we're both affirming our 26 GA target. Secondly, we're doing exactly as we said, we're continuing to invest in the business. It will move, it will gyrate, I think is the word Pete used in the past, from quarter to quarter. We're very pleased with the progression of our GA target.
A little bit less. Um, you know, as we talked about cyber, we got out of some of our MGA relationships, so that's actually helping on the acquisition costs. There are a little bit, I think the bumpers to compete is 1. We're both affirming our 2026 GA target. Secondly, we're doing exactly as we said; we're continuing to invest in the business. It will move, it will gyrate, I think is the word Pete used in the past, from quarter to quarter. We're very pleased with the progression of our GA target.
Pete Vogt: Thank you.
Vince Tizzio: You're welcome.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Operator: The next question will come from Andrew Anderson with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Andrew Kligerman: Hey, good morning. We've heard some discussion around MGAs this quarter just around pricing. Maybe you could just talk about AXIS's approach to MGAs, maybe how that's changed and where you see your appetite there.
The next question will come from Andrew Anderson with Jeffrey's. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. We've heard some discussion around MGAs this quarter, just around pricing. Maybe you could just talk about AXIS's approach to MGAs, how that's changed, and where you see your appetite there.
Vince Tizzio: Andrew, good morning. It's Vince. Well, certainly since the charge back in December 2023, we have put in place a renewed underwriting strategy with respect to MGAs. I think for context's sake, our organization in the quarter had about 30 odd percent of the premium come from MGAs. It is a highly selective, highly disciplined strategy. I would comment in North America, which has had the brunt of the change in the philosophy of use. The leadership there has a very defined strategy that is complementary to our overall underwriting strategy. In North America, it's about 14% of our business in the second quarter. Look, we see a competitive use of MGAs under select circumstances. We equally observe some of the challenge that they present in classes like cyber and in property, where often we're not seeing commensurate pricing that we think is worthy of competing with.
Andrew uh, good morning, it's Vince. Um, well certainly, since the charge back in December 2023, uh, we have put in place A Renewed underwriting strategy uh, with respect to mgas, I think for context, uh, sake, our organization in the quarter had about 30, odd percent of the premium come from mgas. Um, it is a highly selective, highly disciplined strategy. I would comment in North America which has had the brunt of the the change. In the philosophy of use the leadership. There has a very defined shape
Vince Tizzio: And we have a more fulsome value proposition, right? We're an underwriting organization with a dedicated claims organization and infrastructure to support our underwriters and the view of risk that we have. So the bumper stickers, our strategy within MGAs is certainly bottom-line focused, alignment of interest in any of those instances that we use MGAs. And on the competitive landscape side, we observe them very carefully. And we have not competed on price in many instances and are willing to trade for bottom-line over volume. And that is the approach that we'll continue to execute against in our company.
Strategy that is complimentary to our overall underwriting strategy in North America. It's about 14% of our business in the second quarter. Um, look, we see a a competitive use of mgas under select circumstances. We equally observe some of the the challenge that they they present in classes like cyber and in property where often we're not seeing commensal pricing. That we think is worthy of competing with uh, and we have a more wholesome value proposition, right? We're, we're an underwriting organization with a dedicated claims organization and infrastructure to support our Underwriters and the view of risk that we have. So the bumper stickers are strategy within mga's is certainly bottom line focused alignment of interest in any of those instances that we use mgas and on the competitive landscape side, we observe them uh very carefully and we have not competed on price in many instances and are willing to trade uh for bottom line over volume. And that is the approach that
We will continue to execute against, in our company.
Andrew Kligerman: Thanks. And on the reinsurance side, showing some discipline there, and I don't think you're alone in those comments and that approach. But perhaps where are we with the seedants enhancing their underwriting and their claims? Are we in the second inning? Are we in the seventh? And kind of what further progress would you need to see to get a bit more interested in reinsurance liability growth?
Vince Tizzio: You know, this is a subject that Ann and the team and I, we talk about a lot. I think that we see mid-innings, but it's hard to attach an overall because, as you know, we're a pick-your-partner underwriting company in reinsurance. And the team works deliberately and earnestly at trying to understand the evolving changes that are going on within the underlying seedants' portfolios. The interaction model and communication is vibrant. And I would say you'd have to acknowledge, if you look at the cumulative environment since '24, the number of companies that have taken action in strengthening their liability reserves, it stands to reason that there's comfort that needs to be evidenced in a statistically repeatable way before we think the trade is worth leaning into. And at the moment, we just don't feel it as a general matter.
Thanks and on the reinsurance side, showing some discipline there and I don't think you're you're alone in those those comments. And that approach. But perhaps where, where are we with the seeds and enhancing their underwriting and their claims are we in the second inning? Are we in the seventh and kind of what further progress would you need to see to get a bit more interested in reinsurance liability growth?
Vince Tizzio: That doesn't mean we won't selectively grow, but we're going to pick our partner. We're going to look at the trade in the balance of fairness and accuracy. And we want to see the evidence of the changes that are being spoken about revealed in our interactions. And that will come through both data and our oral communications with our seedants. So that's the course that we're going to stay.
Andrew Kligerman: Thank you.
Would say, uh, you'd have to acknowledge if you look at the cumulative, uh, environment since 24, the number of companies that have taken action, uh, in strengthening their liability reserves, it stands to reason that there's comfort that needs to be evidenced in a statistically repeatable way, before we think the trade is is worth leaning into. And at the moment we just don't feel it as a general matter. That doesn't mean we won't selectively grow, but we're going to pick our partner. We're going to look at the trade in the balance of fairness and accuracy. And we want to see the evidence of the changes that uh, are being uh, spoken about revealed in our interactions and that will come through both data and our oral Communications with our seeds. So that's the course that we're going to say.
Vince Tizzio: You're welcome, Andrew.
Thank you.
Operator: The next question will come from Josh Schenker with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
You're welcome, Andrew.
Josh Shanker: Yeah, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my call. First question relates to the DTA. A couple of things. One is there was some of the value was amortized down in the quarter in a non-operating sort of way. And two, I'm trying to understand how much of your incurred taxes are likely to be payable in cash versus being payable through the DTA. If you can sort of walk us through the mechanics of how that works a little bit.
The next question will come from Josh chancre with Bank of America. Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning everybody. Thanks for taking my call.
Um first question relates to the DTA, a couple of things 1 is there was some of the value was advertised down in the quarter and the non-operating sort of way and 2, I'm trying to understand how much of your incurred taxes are likely to be payable in cash versus being payable through the DCA if you can serve rockets and mechanics of how that works a little bit.
Pete Vogt: So Josh, this is Pete. I'll take that for you. So when we put up the DTA last year in 2024, we decided to take it as a non-operating item because it was something that really wasn't germane to the operations, and we didn't want to gyrate operating income with a huge benefit in 2024 due to putting that up. So when you go to page 16 of our press release, and we're reconciling from net income to operating income, as we amortize that back down, we're actually pulling it out and just putting it into non-operating so we can be consistent. So you'll see that on the chart, and you'll see that every quarter so that we can just give you a full disclosure as to what that aspect is.
So, uh, Josh, this is Pete. I'll, uh, I'll take that for you. So when we put up the DTA last year in 2024, we decided to take it as a non-operating item because it was something that really wasn't germane to the operations. And we didn't want to dilute operating income with a huge benefit in 2024 due to putting that up.
Josh Shanker: What exactly is amortizing down? I'm trying to understand that. I apologize.
Pete Vogt: Well, I guess I would say we put up at the end of the day, at the end of last year, $176 million. And that actually amortizes that deferred tax asset, Josh, will amortize to zero for the most part over the next 10 years. That's what happens. And as that amortizes down, that will count as part of our effective tax rate for Bermuda, but that amount will actually not be paid in cash to Bermuda.
So when you go to page 16 of our press release and we're reconciling from net income to operating income as we advertise that back down, we're actually pulling it out and just putting it into non-operating, so we can be consistent. So you'll see that on the, you'll see that on the chart, and you'll see that every quarter, so that we can just give you a full disclosure as to what that aspect is, what what exactly is advertising down? I'm trying to understand. I'm apologies.
Well I guess I would say we put up at the end of the day at the end of last year 176 million and that actually advertises that deferred tax asset, Josh will advertise 200.
Josh Shanker: Awesome. In any given quarter, you're not paying taxes based on your tax obligation. You're using it to pay taxes based on the amortization rate.
For the most part over the next 10 years. That's what happens. And as that advertises down that will count as, you know, part of our effective tax rate for Bermuda, but that amount will actually not be paid in cash to Bermuda.
Also in any given quarter, you're not you're not paying paying taxes based on your tax obligation, you're you're using it to pay tax based on the amortization rate.
Pete Vogt: Yeah, we're paying tax based on our effective tax rate, yet with the cash, the portion of that ETR, that is the amortization, is not cash. And you can see that now. It's $3.4 million in the second quarter.
Yeah we're paying tax based on our effective tax rate, yet with the cash, the portion of that, ET that ETR that is the amortization is not cash and you can see that. Now, it's 3 point, uh, 3.4 million in the second quarter.
Josh Shanker: Okay. And what about the risk if there's something that changes? You know, if you're doing this slow amortization, was there any way to accelerate the amortization with how much tax you paid this year, given that maybe next year the agreement with the global tax body won't allow you to use the CTA?
Okay. And what about the risk?
Pete Vogt: Yeah, so right now, Josh, we know that the OECD has allowed the first two years. I don't want to make any comments past that because it's going to depend on what legislation happens, and it would be, you know, I would just, I would be pure guesswork for me. So, but on the tax law that was passed, there's four pieces to it. It pretty much amortizes over 10 years. I'm generalizing because there's a couple of little pieces that one goes a little longer, one goes a little shorter, but it's kind of, for the most part, over a 10-year period. But we will see what happens when we get to 2027.
Only way to accelerate the Amazon with how much tax you pay for your giving that maybe next year. Uh, the uh, agreement, with the, uh, Global Tax body won't allow you to use the CPA.
Josh Shanker: And then my other question, I wanted to follow up on Charlie's a little bit, and I really appreciate you taking in the minutia. Some people wouldn't have patience for this. The paid-to-incur insurance did go up by a lot. I understand you had a couple of large payments for older active years and the California wildcard. Can we put some numbers and for the two other claims, some categories around this just to understand it is a big move in the paid-to-incur? And usually, I wouldn't belabor it. It does jump around quarter to quarter as it should, but maybe it might appease the concern about the higher paid-to-incur quarter the more we know.
Yeah. So right right now Josh we know that the oecd is allowed the first 2 years. I don't want to make any comments past that because it's going to depend on what legislation happens and it would be, you know, I would just I would be pure guest work for me so but I need, you know, on the tax law that was passed it. There's 4 pieces to it, it pretty much advertisers over 10 years, I'm generalizing because there's a couple little pieces that 1 goes a little longer. 1 goes a little shorter but it's kind of for the most part over a 10 year period, but we will see what happens when we get to 2027.
Vince Tizzio: You know, Josh, I'll start and then Pete can add on top. So first, again, we had a number of older year claims, including the wildfires. So there were certainly a contribution in that regard of five or seven odd points against the 89. Secondly, you know, through our How We Work program, the effectiveness and the efficiency is revealing itself throughout our operating model. And clearly, our claims organization is one of the entities that's benefiting from those changes. They're introducing heightened skills and capabilities, more technology. This will add to the effectiveness and the efficiency. From quarter to quarter, that may reveal itself in paid-to-incurred ratios. In other instances, it may reveal itself in other ways that are value added to our insurers and onto our brokers. There is nothing beyond that that I would say. But Pete, if there's something additional for you, please share it.
And then my other question, I want to follow up on Charlie's a little bit and I really appreciate you taking in the minutia. Some people wouldn't have patience for this. The page to turn Insurance did go up by a lot. I understand you a couple of large payments for older acting years and the California wildfires. Can we put some numbers and for the 2 other claims some categories around this just to understand it is a big move in the page to incur and usually, I wouldn't uh labor. They it does Jump Around quarter to quarter as it should, but maybe like uh, it it might uh, appease the, uh, the uh, concern about the higher page concerns for the more we know,
Pete Vogt: Yeah, I, you know, it'd be difficult to get into specifics. I would say there were some specific large claims. You know, when I think about the SEC classes, Josh, I'd say that some of them came out of the Marine and Aviation class, and some of them came out of the Pro Lines class, you know, from years ago. But I really wouldn't want to get into specific claimants and dollars of claims that were paid. But it was really, it came out of those two classes, I guess, is what I'd say.
Josh Shanker: Thank you for the additional call. I appreciate it.
Know through our, how we work program, the effectiveness and the efficiency is revealing itself throughout our operating model and clearly, our claims organization is 1 of the entities, that's benefiting from those changes. They're introducing, um, heightened skills and capabilities, more technology, this will add to the effectiveness and the efficiency from quarter to quarter that may reveal itself in paid to incurred ratios in other instances. It may reveal itself in other ways, that is value added to our insured and unto our Brokers. Uh, there is nothing beyond that that I would say. But Pete. If there's something additional for you, please share it. Yeah, I I you know, I'd be difficult to get into specifics. I would say there were some, some specific large claims, you know, and I think about the SEC classes, Josh, I'd say they they some of them came out of the marine and Aviation class and some of them came out of the prole lines class, you know, from years ago. But I really wouldn't want to get into specific claimants and and, and dollars of claims that were paid. But it was really, it was came out of those 2 classes, I guess is what I'd say.
Vince Tizzio: You're welcome, Josh.
Thank you for the additional color. I appreciate it.
Operator: The next question will come from Brian Meredith with UVS. Please go ahead.
You're welcome, Josh.
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, thanks. So the first one, I'm just curious. If I look at the share buyback in the quarter, it looks like it didn't buy back any stock in June. I'm just curious if there was a reason for that. And maybe talk a little bit about what your excess capital position is currently and kind of plans for that. I know share buyback is obviously kind of top of the list.
Your next question will come from Brian. Meredith with UVS, please go ahead.
Thanks. So the first 1, I'm just curious. Um, if I look at the share buyback in the quarter looks like it didn't buy back any stock in June. Um, I'm just curious if there was a reason for that and maybe talk a little bit about what your excess Capital position is currently and kind of plan for that, I know share buyback is obviously kind of top of the list.
Pete Vogt: Hey, how you doing, Brian? This is Pete. What I will tell you is, I remind you, we tend to be opportunistic when it comes to share buyback. And we'll buy back, you know, when we feel that it's appropriate. We did have a plan in place for May. Didn't continue it into June. I would not read anything into it. As I said, we were just being opportunistic in the quarter with what we saw going on. And as we went into the end of the quarter, you know, we saw good growth. We made investments in technology, data, and analytics. And so we continue to put our capital to use in growing organically our business, but also in building out our platform for future growth. And we feel very good about those uses of capital as we go forward.
Pete Vogt: Overall, I'd say we have $110 million left in our share repurchase authorization. I think you should think of us as continuing just to be opportunistic with the use of that share buyback. I don't know if you want to add on to that, Vince.
Hey, uh, how you doing? Brian. This is Pete. What I will tell you is, uh, remind you. We, we tend to be opportunistic when it comes to share buyback and, and we'll buy back, you know, when we, uh, when we feel that it's appropriate, we did have a plan in place for May, didn't continue it into June. I would not read anything into it. As I said, we were just being opportunistic in the quarter with what we saw going on. And as we went into the end of the quarter, you know, we saw a good growth. We made investments in technology data and analytics and so we continue to put our Capital to use uh, in growing organically our business. But also in building out our platform for future growth and we feel very good about those uses of capital as we go forward. Um, overall I'd say we have a 110 million dollars left in our share repurchase authorization, I think you should think of us as continuing just to be opportunistic with the use of that share buyback.
Vince Tizzio: No, I think the only thing to contribute is, one, we added some new teams in North America in the quarter. Secondly, you've said historically we're opportunistic. We are. We're comfortable with our capital position. We made investments in the operating model, Brian, that we're really pleased with the progression. Our company's moved almost virtually to the cloud through technology at this point. So there's a lot going on in the How We Work program.
Not only want to add on to that event know, I think the the only thing um to contribute is 1, we added some new teams in North America in the quarter. Uh secondly you've said historically we're opportunistic, we are uh we're comfortable with our Capital position, we made investments in the operating model uh Brian that we're really pleased with the progression. Our companies moved on
Pete Vogt: Yeah, and then just overall, I know you asked for a specific number, Brian. We typically don't give that out, but I would say that our capital position remains very strong. And we continue to feel good about what that capital position is and where it is to fund our future growth.
Almost virtually to the cloud through technology at this point. So there there's a lot going on in the how we work program.
Vince Tizzio: Great, thanks. And then the second question, Vince, I was hoping we could dive a little bit more into the lower middle market buildout and what you're doing there. How big is that business right now? Kind of growth prospects? And then I guess also in that business, is there any thoughts of, call it, inorganic growth to kind of build that platform out quickly?
Yeah, and then just overall, I know you asked for a specific number. Brian, we we typically don't give that out, but I would say that our Capital position remains very strong and uh, we continue to to feel good about what that Capital position is and where it is to fund our future growth,
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, so this is an initiative that you know we've been talking about for some period of time. In the sizing of the business in the quarter, depending upon how you define lower middle market from our prior discussions, what I would say to you, we grew our wholesale LMM business about $64 million in the quarter. That's what we wrote out of that pre-dedicated products. But more broadly, the lower middle market strategy aims to identify every product within our North American franchise that's transactional. And transactional for us has a very specific meaning. And so we're well on our way with regard to isolating the lines of business that are defined by LMM. And that's generally a turnover or revenue, as we say in America, defined risk attribute. This is generally lower complex business, high transactional volume.
Great. Thanks. And then the second question fits. I was hoping we could dive a little bit more into the lower Middle Market buildout and what you're doing there. How big is that business right now? Kind of growth prospects and then I I guess also in that business is there any thoughts of call it inorganic growth to kind of build that platform out quickly?
Yeah. So this is an initiative that, you know, we've uh, we've been talking about for some period of time in the sizing of the business in the quarter. Um, depending upon, um, how you define lower Middle Market from our prior discussions, what I would say to you, we grew our wholesale lmm, business about 64 million, uh, in the quarter. That's what we wrote out of that 3, dedicated products, but more broadly. The lower Middle Market strategy, aims to identify every product within our North American franchise that's transactional. And transactional for us has a very specific meaning. And so, we're well on our way with regard to isolating the lines of business that are defined by lmm. And that's generally a turnover or Revenue. Uh, as we say in America,
Vince Tizzio: Secondly, this business, from an investment perspective, is well on its way. It's one of the cornerstone How We Work investments through the modernization of our underwriting platform. We're in the lower innings of that. We're not at the fifth inning yet, but we're making pace. And certainly, the diagnostics that we secured in the third quarter through two AI vendors last year are helping us in our growth trajectory. At the end of 2024, this was about a $400 odd million business in the aggregate. And so we feel continued momentum, continued focus. Finally, I would note that the submission volume in this unit is off the charts. The team has done an excellent job at attracting value to our brand, value in our service proposition, which we believe is a distinctive advantage. And so we have high expectancy of this business and its continuance of profitable growth.
Vince Tizzio: We have continued investment that Mike and Ann are ensuring is aiding our underwriters in our aspiration of a straight-through process. And finally, we believe the reflection of these efforts is being rewarded by our distribution channel that continues to seek out our solutions.
Vince Tizzio: Thank you.
Is is off the charts, uh, the, the the team has done an excellent job at attracting value to our brand value in our service proposition, which we believe is a distinctive advantage. And so, we have high expectancy of this business and is continuance of profitable growth. We have continued investment that, Mike and Anne are ensuring uh, is aiding our Underwriters and our aspiration of a straight through process. And finally, we believe the reflection of these efforts is being rewarded by our distribution channel, that continues to seek out our our Solutions
Great. Thank you.
Operator: The next question will come from Elise Greenspah with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
The next question will come from Elise. Greenspa with Wells, Fargo. Please go ahead.
Elise Greenspan: Hi, thanks. Good morning. My first question is on the insurance premium growth. I think you guys said that the second half might be higher than the 6% in the first half. I know there's a little bit of cyber remediation, right? 20 to 25 million, right, for the Q3. But given that we're through the bulk of the remediation, I'm just surprised. Would it just feel like with some of the initiatives, et cetera, that growth, you know, in the second half should be greater than the first half? Or is there some, I guess, conservatism built into, you know, that kind of the guide that you guys gave?
Vince Tizzio: Elise, this is Vince. Good morning. First of all, we'll conclude the cyber remediation in the third quarter. Secondly, what Pete and I had indicated in the first quarter was mid-single-digit growth for the insurance business for the full year. We're optimistic about continuing to achieve profitable growth. I think we grew a point and a half quarter over quarter in the business between 1Q, 2Q. We do have expectancy of continuing our profitable growth. And we'd like the degree of growth that's delivered here in the second quarter. And we'll remain focused on delivering where we can.
Hi, thanks. Um, good morning, my first question, um, is on the insurance premium growth. I think you guys said that the second half, um, might be higher than the 6% in the first half. I know there's a little bit of cyber remediation, right? Um, 20 to 25 million, right? For the Q3, but given that, we're through the bulk of the remediation, um, I'm just surprised wouldn't, um, it just feels like with some of the initiatives, Etc, that growth, you know, in the second half should be greater than the first half or is there some, I guess conservatism built into, you know, that kind of um the guy that you guys gave
Pete Vogt: And I guess I would just add on, maybe I wasn't clear in my comments, Elise. I think I did say that the second half of the year should be better than the 6% we've seen year to date.
Elise, this is Vince. Um, good morning. Um, first of all, we we'll conclude the the Cyber Remediation in the third quarter. Uh secondly, what, what Pete and I had indicated in the, in the first quarter was, uh, mid single digit growth, for the insurance business for the full year. Uh, we're optimistic about, uh, continuing to achieve, uh, profitable growth. I think we grew a point and a half a quarter over quarter in the business, uh, between 1 Q 2 Q. We, we do have expectancy of continuing our profitable growth and, uh, we'd like the degree of growth that's, um, delivered here in the second quarter and will remain focused at delivering where we can.
And I guess I I would just add on. Maybe I wasn't clear in my in my comments at least. I think I I did say that the second half of the year should be better than the 6% we've seen year to date.
Elise Greenspan: Okay, thanks. And then my second question, you know, I guess we can, you know, all debate, right, what happens this, you know, when season and, you know, size of loss or losses and, you know, the materiality that that could bring to the property market as well as, you know, on the primary and reinsurance side. You know, you guys obviously exited that business several years ago. So I guess my question is, you know, if there, and Vince, I understand, right, you would be, you know, speculating to some degree, but is there a market movement, like if, you know, there's a huge series or, you know, one event that really turns the cat market this year, would you at some point, you know, consider getting back in, or is that door, you know, permanently closed for the company?
Okay, thanks and then um my um my second question um you know I guess we can you know all debate right. What happens this you know Wednesday's in and and you know size of loss or losses and you know the materiality that that could bring to the property Market as well as a you know, on the primary and reinsurance side. Um, you know, you guys obviously exited that.
Business several years ago. So, I guess my question is, um, you know, if there—and, Vince, I understand right.
You know, speculating to some degree. But is there a market movement? Like if you know there's a huge series or you know, 1 event, that really turns the cat Market this year.
When you do at some point, um, you know, consider getting back in or is that door, um, you know, permanently closed for the company.
Vince Tizzio: We'll be excited in such an event to help our insurance team go after the opportunity that will undoubtedly be revealed and certainly and most likely come into our wholesale E&S business, and the team in North America stands ready. So the direct answer is no. We think our profile and the value creation journey that Pete and the exco and I are on is situated perfectly, and we're comfortable with our underwriting strategy.
Will be excited in in such an event to, to help our insurance team. Go after the opportunity that will undoubtedly, uh, be be revealed and certainly in most likely, come into our wholesale, uh, ens business and, and the team in North America stands ready. Uh, so the direct answer is no, we think our profile. Uh, and the value creation Journey, that that Pete and the XO and I are on, uh, is is situated, approx perfectly and, uh, we're comfortable with our underlying strategy.
Elise Greenspan: Thanks. And then.
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, good, please.
thanks and then uh and you know, at least
Elise Greenspan: Oh, no, you finish first.
Good, please.
Oh no. You finished first.
Vince Tizzio: Yeah. No, I would just observe to you, look at the property business within AXIS. Look at the order of growth. Look at the comments that Pete and I have attributed to the profitability of that business, the portfolio construct of that business, the channel in which we, at least in the United States, transact, which is the largest of our eight underwriting divisions. So we feel comfortable that we're not leaving the opportunity on the table. We're seeking it, and we're seeking it in a very decided way. Thank you.
Yeah, no. I, I would just observe to you. Look at the look at the property, uh, business within access, look at the order of growth, look at the comments that Pete and I have attributed to the profitability of that business, the portfolio construct of that business, uh, the channel in which we uh, at least in the United States transact, which is the largest of our 8, uh, underwriting, uh divisions. So we feel comfortable that we're not uh, we're not leaving,
Uh, the opportunity on the table. We're seeking it and we're seeking it in a very decided way.
Elise Greenspan: Thanks. And then one last quick one. Was there any adverse, if any, that you guys had from the UK-Russia aviation ruling in the quarter?
Thank you.
Thanks. And then, um, one last quick one. Um, was there any, um, adverse, if any, that you guys had from the UK-Russia aviation ruling?
In the quarter.
Pete Vogt: No. So Elise, this is Pete. You know, as we've articulated in the past, we do not play in that contingent war market. And so we are in the all-perils market. And so the rulings really came down well for us. And it's what we expected, what the market did expect. And so the short answer is no, there was no impact to us in the quarter.
Elise Greenspan: Thank you.
No. So at least this is Pete, you know, as we've uh, articulated in the past, we do not play in that uh, contingent War market. And so, uh, we are in the, uh, in the all all perils market. And so the ruling is really came down well for us, and it's what we expected with the market did expect. And so I the short answer is no, there was no impact to us in the quarter.
Thank you.
Operator: The next question is a follow-up from Andrew Clygerman with TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
Vince Tizzio: Hey, yeah, Vince, in.Your
Please go ahead.
Operator: prepared remarks, you talked a little bit about in reinsurance, some of your students were evolving their claims processes. And I was wondering if you could elaborate on that a bit.
Yeah. Vince in in your prepared remarks, you talked a little bit about in in reinsurance, some of your sedans were evolving their claims processes. And I was wondering if you could elaborate on that a bit.
Vince Tizzio: Well, certainly, all I could say broadly is that, you know, Andrew, as a result of the strengthening that you saw last year across a number of different companies, there's no doubt that all underwriting companies are taking stock of their claim organizations, evaluating a whole variety of things. And certainly, that kind of communication is vibrant with us in our reinsurance business and will remain observant to it. You know, I won't obviously cite Cedence, but broadly, it's not as though that the strengthening taken across the industry goes silent in these underwriting organizations. And they take stock of how they're coming to market, how they're managing their own claims organizations. Hopefully, that answers your question.
Well, certainly all I could say broadly is that, um, you know, Andrew...
As a result of the the, uh, the strengthening that you saw last year across a number of different companies. There's no doubt that
All underwriting companies are taking stock of their claim organizations, evaluating a whole variety of things. And certainly, that kind of communication is vibrant with us in our reinsurance business and will remain observant to it. You know, I won't obviously cite specifics, but broadly, um,
Operator: Yeah, it does. And then you talked quite a bit on the call about your investments in AI and other technologies. And I think I heard you in the Q&A, Vince, talk about being in like the fifth inning. When you look over your shoulder at the competition, where do you see AXIS in the scope of AI and other technology? Do you feel like you're far in front, middle of the pack? How are you seeing your investment and how you're doing versus the competition?
It's not as though that the strengthening taken across the industry uh goes silent in in these underwriting organizations. And they take stock of uh, how they're coming the market, how they're managing their own claims organizations. Hopefully, that answers your question. Yeah, it it does. And then and then you, you, you, you talked quite a bit on the call about your Investments and Ai and other Technologies. And, and I think I heard you in the Q&A, Vince talk about being in like, the, fifth inning. Um, when when you look over your shoulder at the competition, where do you see axis in the scope of AI and other technology?
Do you feel like you're far in front middle of the pack? How, how are you seeing?
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, you know, outside of the public comments that are offered, I really don't know where the competition is beyond that. But what I do know is the compass and the strategy of AXIS is right-sized in its ambition. You know, recall, please, first, we have an efficiency and productivity aspiration in the utilization of AI. Secondly, we have a vibrant set of use cases in our organization that range between our corporate legal function all the way up to the front end of the company. Third, we have an investment set of strategies that aim to optimize our aspiration of achieving more profitable growth in lower middle market, enabling a more straight-through process capability in our company generally. And finally, to take advantage of the investments we've made in the provision of our data and analytics.
Your Investments and and how you're doing versus the competition.
Vince Tizzio: You know, our chief data officer, who works with our chief underwriting officer, has made considerable progress and is enabling our front end to make better risk selections. And we think that will translate into a sustained profitable growth run rate, certainly in the balance of 2025. So taken together, we're pleased with the progress that we're making. We think it's right-sized to a mid-cap specialty underwriter. We have a number of tests that are going on against our hypotheses to challenge whether or not we will achieve the efficiency and productivity gains. And I would tell you that if you looked at the discrete 2Q North American quote bind turnaround time, they are being materially enhanced and they are being aided. I won't say they're being driven by, but they're certainly being aided by those investments.
Yeah, you know, outside of the public comments that that are offered. I I really don't. Don't know, uh, where the competition is beyond that. But what I do know is the compass and the strategy of of access is right side that it's in its ambition. You know, recall, please. First we we have a efficiency uh, and productivity aspiration in the utilization of AI. Secondly, we have a vibrant set of use cases in our organization that range between our corporate legal function, all the way up to the front end of the company. Third, we have an investment set of strategies that aims to optimize our aspiration of achieving more profitable growth in lower Middle Market, enabling a more straight through process capability in our company. Generally and finally, to take advantage of the Investments we've made in the provision of our data and analytics, you know, our our chief data officer, who works with our chief underwriting officer has made considerable progress, and is enabling our front end to
To make better risk selections. And we think that will translate into a sustained profitable growth uh run rate, certainly in the balance of 2025. So taken together. We're pleased uh, with the progress that we're making we think it's right sized to a midcap specialty underwriter. We have a number of tests that are going on against our hypotheses to challenge whether or not
Vince Tizzio: And I think the North American leadership has a very active posture at making sure that they get the kind of benefits that we expect from both technology and more broadly AI.
The, we will achieve the efficiency and productivity gains. And I would tell you that, if you looked at the discrete, 2q North American, quote bind turnaround time. They are being, uh, materially enhanced and they are being aided. I won't say they're being driven by but they're certainly being aided by those Investments. And I think the North American leadership has a very active posture at making sure that they get the kind of benefits that we expect from both technology and more. Broadly, AI
Operator: Thanks, Vince.
Vince Tizzio: You're welcome, Andrew.
Thanks Vince.
Operator: The next question will come from Mayor Shields with KBW. Please go ahead.
You're welcome, Andrew.
Cliff Gallant: Great. Thanks so much and good morning. Vince, I was hoping you could talk about the loss trend that you're seeing in the professional liability lines that you're writing now.
The next question, will come from mayor Shields with KBW. Please go ahead.
Uh great thanks so much and good morning, just hoping you could talk about the Lost Trend that you're seeing in the professional liability lines that you're right now.
Vince Tizzio: Yeah. Well, firstly, remember for the SEC class for AXIS, there's a lot of different products in there. It's a combination of short tail and longer tail. But I think to put a bumper sticker on it, we're seeing low single digits trend in that business. Obviously, if you talk about public, we would take that out. But it's a panoply of a lot of different products in that bucket. It ranges between errors and omissions, management liability, environmental classes, and certainly public D&O and even IPO D&O as well. So that's what I would say, Pete.
Yeah. Um, well firstly, remember for the FCC class for Access there's a lot of different products in there. Uh it's a combination of of short tail uh and longer tail, but I think to put a bumper sticker on it, we're seeing low single digits, uh, Trend in that business. Obviously, uh, if you talk about public, we would take that out. But it's a panoply of a lot of different products. Uh, in that bucket, it ranges between errors and omissions management liability environmental classes and certainly public dno and even IPO uh, dno as well. So,
Cliff Gallant: I wouldn't add anything other than to reiterate again, we still, I mean, public D&O has become a very tiny portion of our portfolio in the insurance side because of the pricing over the last couple of years. As Vince mentioned, it looks like the pricing might be bottoming out. So we'll see where that business can go in the future. But right now, that's a really small part. So that was not part of the growth we saw in pro lines this quarter.
Vince Tizzio: Okay.
Cliff Gallant: That's very helpful. And then a quick follow-up for Pete. You had about $850 million of unrestricted cash and equivalents at the end of the second quarter. Is that about the right level that we should expect going forward?
Vince Tizzio: Yeah, I think when you look back over the last couple, I'll even call it a year and a half or so, that's probably about the right level, Meyer. It was obviously highly exaggerated at year-end and first quarter as we were funding for the LPT. But I think we've gotten right back down to like a normal cash level for the organization.
That's very helpful and then a quick follow-up for Pete. Uh he had about 850 million, it was understood that cash and equivalents. At the end of the second quarter is that about the right uh, level that we should expect going forward.
Yeah, I think when you look back over the last couple I'll even call it year and a half or so that's probably about the right level Meyer. It was obviously highly exaggerated at year end in first quarter as we were funding for the LBT, but I think we've gotten right back down to like a normal cache level for the organization.
Cliff Gallant: Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much.
Vince Tizzio: You're welcome.
Okay. Fantastic. Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to our CEO, Vince Tizzio, for any closing remarks. Please go ahead, sir.
Vince Tizzio: Thank you, operator. Thank you for joining today's calls. It is our strong belief that AXIS has a very bright future ahead. We remain confident in the execution capability of our company and are committed to delivering on our promise to consistently produce profitable returns, increased shareholder value, and excellent product and services to our customers. Thank you very much. We look forward to speaking with you after the third quarter.
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to our CEO. Vince, kisio for any closing remarks, please go ahead sir.
Thank you, operator. Thank you for joining today's calls.
It is our strong belief that access has a very bright future ahead. We remain confident in the execution, capability of our company, and our committed to delivering on our promise, to consistently produce profitable returns increased shareholder, shareholder value, and excellent product, and services to our customers. Thank you very much. We look forward to speaking with you after the third quarter.
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