Q2 2025 AerCap Holdings NV Earnings Call

Operator: Please stand by. Good day, and welcome to AirCap's Q2 2025 financial results. Today's conference is being recorded, and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Joseph McGinley, head of investor relations. Please go ahead, sir.

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Good day and welcome to air caps Q2 2025 Financial results. Today's conference is being recorded and a transcript will be available following the call on the company's website.

At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Joseph McKinley head of investor relations. Please go ahead sir.

Joseph Mcginley: Thank you, operator, and hello, everyone. Welcome to our second quarter 2025 conference call. With me today is our chief executive officer, Aengus Kelly, and our chief financial officer, Peter Juhas. Before we begin today's call, I would like to remind you that some statements made during this conference call, which are not historical facts, may be forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements. AirCap undertakes no obligation other than that imposed by law to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect future events, information, or circumstances that arise after this call. Further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in AirCap's earnings release dated August 30th, 2025. A copy of the earnings release and conference call presentation are available on our website at aircap.com.

Thank you, operator, and hello everyone. Welcome to our second quarter 2025 conference call.

With me today is our Chief Executive Officer, Aengus Kelly, and our Chief Financial Officer, Peter Juhas.

May be forward-looking statements.

Forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed or implied in such statements.

Are cap undertakes. No obligation. Other than that, imposed by law to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect future events, information or circumstances that arise after this call.

further information concerning issues that could materially affect performance can be found in air caps, earnings release, dated August 30th 2025,

Joseph Mcginley: This call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously at aircap.com and will be archived for replay. We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and will allow time at the end for Q&A. As a reminder, I would ask that analysts limit themselves to one question and one follow-up. I will now turn the call over to Aengus Kelly.

A copy of the earnings release and conference. Call presentation are available on our website at aircap cam. This call is open to the public and is being webcast simultaneously at aircraft.com and will be archived for replay.

We will shortly run through our earnings presentation and we'll allow time at the end for Q&A.

As a reminder, I would ask that I'm with limited themselves to 1 question and 1 follow-up. And when I returned the call over to aengus Kelly,

Aengus Kelly: Thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2025 earnings call. We are pleased to report a record quarter of earnings generating GAAP net income of $1.3 billion and earnings per share of $7.09. This reflects strong execution and demand for our assets, as well as the successful outcome in our contingent and possessed insurance case in the commercial court in London in June. Adjusted net income was $502 million and adjusted EPS was $2.83. Given these strong results and our improved outlook for the year ahead, we have increased our 2025 full-year adjusted EPS guidance again today. Global passenger traffic continues to grow, led by APAC and the Middle East. In the US, domestic traffic declined after slower growth in April, but international traffic performed better, demonstrating the resilience of long-haul demand.

thank you for joining us for our second quarter 2025 earnings call.

We are pleased to report a record quarter of earnings generating gaap, net income of 1.3 billion dollars and earnings per share of $7.99.

This reflects strong execution and demand for our assets.

As well as the successful outcome in our contingent and possessed insurance case in the Commercial Court in London in June.

Adjusted net income was 502. Million.

And adjusted EPS was 2.83.

Given these strong results and our improved outlook for the year ahead.

We have increased our 2025 full year adjusted EPS guidance again today.

Global passenger traffic continues to grow.

Led by aipac and the Middle East.

In the US domestic traffic declined. After slower growth in April.

But International traffic performed better.

Aengus Kelly: This phenomenon of international growth outpacing domestic growth is a trend that we've seen throughout the year and around the world. On the aircraft side, we continue to see strong demand from our customers despite the uncertainty regarding tariffs and trade. This is evidenced by our 99% utilization rate and 97% extension rate in the second quarter. These high levels of utilization and extension rates have persisted over recent years, resulting in more options on placements and stronger returns overall. In fact, across the 30 extensions we completed in Q2, the new leases signed were on average higher than their previous lease, despite being older aircraft now. The resilience of international travel means the broad-based demand for wide bodies continues. This was shown by the lease agreements we signed for 777s and A330 CEOs with carriers in Asia, the Middle East, and Europe in Q2.

Demonstrating the resilience of longhaul demand.

This phenomenon of international growth outpacing. Domestic growth is a trend that we've seen throughout the year and around the world.

On the aircraft side, we continue to see strong demand from our customers.

Despite the uncertainty regarding tariffs and trade.

This is evidenced by our 99% utilization rate and 97% extension rate in the second quarter.

These high levels of utilization and extension rates have persisted over recent years.

Resulting in more options and placements and stronger returns overall.

In fact, across the 30 extensions, we completed in Q2 the new leases signed were on average higher than their previous lease despite being older aircraft now,

The resilience of international. Travel means the broad-based demand for wide bodies continues.

This was shown by the lease agreements. We signed for triple 7s and 8330 seals with carriers in Asia, the Middle East and Europe in Q2.

Aengus Kelly: Furthermore, as a result of the deals we have signed or have in the pipeline in Q3, we have only two wide bodies available for lease between now and the end of 2027, out of a fleet of more than 250 wide bodies. On the narrow body side, we see similar trends. We signed lease agreements with 12 different carriers in the quarter, including six A320neo placements from our order book with a carrier in the Middle East. We extended 26 used aircraft with an average age of 16 years that are on lease to carriers predominantly in Europe and Asia. There has been a lot of focus on the OEM supply shortages over the last number of years, which of course have been helpful for lease rates and sales pricing. These delays have also resulted in fewer opportunities for organic growth via sale leasebacks.

Furthermore.

As a result of the deals we've signed, or have in the pipeline in Q3, we have only 2 wide bodies available for lease between now and the end of 2027, out of a fleet of more than 250 wide bodies.

On the narrow body side. We see similar trends,

We signed lease agreements with 12 different carriers in the quarter including 68320, Neo placements from our order book with a carrier in the Middle East.

We extended 26 used, aircraft with an average age of 16 years.

That are on these 2 carriers predominantly in Europe and Asia.

There has been a lot of focus on the OEM supply shortages over the last number of years, which of course have been helpful for lease rates in sales prices.

These delays have also resulted in fewer opportunities for organic growth via sale-leasebacks.

Aengus Kelly: That dynamic is beginning to change, and deals are beginning to present themselves. Of course, they have to meet our return targets, but I am confident that as OEMs ramp up deliveries over the next few years, AirCap will be well positioned to take advantage of these opportunities, given the combined strength of our balance sheets and customer relationships. Spare engine demand remains particularly robust today, given the challenges with new technology aircraft in particular, keeping utilization levels high. Our engine platforms are focused on supporting their OEM airline and MRO customers. Spare engine support is a key part of AirCap's overall proposition to customers. And our portfolio of over 1,200 spare engines, 90% of which are new technology, mean AirCap is well positioned to do so.

That Dynamic is beginning to change.

And deals are beginning to present themselves.

Of course, they have to meet our return targets.

But I am confident that as oem's ramp up deliveries over the next few years are cap will be well positioned to take advantage of these opportunities.

Given the combined strength of our balance sheets and customer relationships.

Spare engine demand remains particularly robust today.

Given the challenges with new technology aircraft in particular,

Our engine platforms are focused on supporting their OEM Airline and mro customers.

Spare engine support is a key part of the air. Cap's, overall proposition to customers.

and our portfolio of over 1,200 spare engines, 90% of which are a new technology, mean, air cap is well, positioned to do so,

Aengus Kelly: On new deliveries, our organic growth strategy continues with the purchase of 31 new LEAP engines across the SES and AirCap platforms, taking total deliveries for the year today to 84. A further 46 LEAPs are expected to deliver through the end of this year. We also deliver 36 engines to various airline customers in Q2 alone under commercial lease agreements. So overall, activity remains robust across the platforms. Finally, we are set to expand our MRO support capability with an engine leasing partnership with Air France-KLM announced at the Paris Air Show, which we hope to finalize later in the year. This mutually beneficial partnership provides spare engine support for customers of Air France-KLM's MRO operation and quicker MRO slots for our own fleets. Turning to milestone, overall, the helicopter landscape remains reasonably robust.

A new deliveries.

Our organic growth strategy continues with the purchase of 31 new Leap engines at the SCS and Air Cap platforms.

Taking total deliveries for the year to date to 84.

A further 46 leaps are expected to deliver to the end of this year.

We also deliver 36 engines to various Airline customers in Q2 alone on the commercial lease agreements. So overall activity remains, robust the platforms.

Finally, we are set to expand our mro support capability with an engine, leasing partnership with Air France. KLM announced that the Paris Air Show which you hope to finalize later in the year.

This mutually beneficial partnership provides spare engine support for customers of our France, klm's mro operation and quicker mro socks for our own Fleet.

Aengus Kelly: Global fleet utilization remains high, aided by continued OEM production discipline and supply chain constraints, which, like the aircraft industry, are likely to persist for some time. From an AirCap fleet perspective, we continue to adopt a balanced portfolio management strategy, investing in new technology helicopters at a creative returns while divesting of midlifes and out-of-production types. During the quarter, we continue to see a high percentage of helicopters of varying types extending with their existing operators. This included deals with operators in the US, South Korea, India, and the UK. So in summary, this was another great quarter for AirCap, with earnings and cash flows remaining strong throughout the business. We continue to deploy your capital effectively with the purchase of approximately $3 billion of new equipment and the repurchase of over $1 billion of stock year to date.

22 Milestone overall, the helicopter landscape remains reasonably robust.

Global Fleet utilization remains High aided by continued OEM production discipline and supply chain constraints.

Which, like the aircraft industry, are likely to persist for some time.

From an air cap Fleet perspective, we continue to adopt a balanced. Portfolio management strategy.

Investing in new technology helicopters at a creased return while domestic midlife and out-of-production types.

During the quarter, we continue to see a high percentage of helicopters of varying types extending with their existing operators.

This included deals with operators in the U.S., South Korea, India, and the U.K.

So in summary, this was another great quarter for air cap with earnings and cash flows remaining strong throughout the business.

We continue to deploy your Capital effectively with the purchase of approximately 3 billion dollars of new equipment.

Aengus Kelly: In addition, we expect to spend another $3 billion in new equipment through the end of 2025 and have a further $800 million in share repurchase authorizations outstanding. Going forward, this means that AirCap is in an exceptional position to provide unique support to our customers and strong returns to our shareholders. With that, I'll now hand the call over to Pete to review the financials and the outlook for 2025.

And the repurchase of over 1 billion dollars of stock here today.

In addition.

We expect to spend another 3 billion dollars on new equipment, through the end of 2025 and have a further 800 million in share, repurchase authorizations outstanding.

Going forward. This means that are cap is in an exceptional position to provide unique support to our customers and strong returns to our shareholders.

With that, I'll now hand the call over to Pete to review the financials and the outlook for 2025.

Peter Juhas: Thanks, Gus. Good morning, everyone. Our GAAP net income for the second quarter was a record $1,259,000,000 or $7.09 per share. This included net recoveries related to the Ukraine conflict of $973,000,000 or $5.48 per share. This reflects the award we received in the favorable decision by the London Commercial Court in June. The impact of purchase accounting adjustments was $82,000,000 for the quarter or $0.46 per share. The net tax effect of both of these items was $134,000,000 or $0.75 per share. As a result, our adjusted net income for the second quarter was $502,000,000 or $2.83 per share. Besides the insurance award, there were two main items that affected our results for the second quarter. First, we had a tax provision release of $41,000,000, and second, our SG&A expense was higher than normal due to higher stock-based compensation expense, which was driven by some upfront recognition of expenses.

Thanks guys. Good morning everyone. Our Gap in income for the second quarter was a record 1,259 million or $7.99 per share.

This included net recovery is related to the Ukraine conflict of 973 million or $5.48 per share.

this reflects the award we received and the favorable decision by the London, Commercial Court in June,

The impact of purchase accounting adjustments was $82 million for the quarter, or $0.46 per share.

The net tax effect of both of these items was 134 million or 75 cents per share.

As a result, our adjusted net income. For the second quarter was 502 million or $2.83 per share.

Besides, the insurance award there were 2 main items that affected our results for the second quarter.

Peter Juhas: Going forward, we expect stock-based compensation expense to return to a more normal run rate of around $30,000,000 a quarter. Turning to sales, our net gain on sale of assets was $57,000,000. We sold 18 of our owned assets during the quarter for total sales revenue of $374,000,000. That resulted in an unlevered gain on sale margin of 18%, which is equivalent to a multiple of 1.7 times book value. The sales volume was a little lower than normal during the second quarter, mainly due to timing of deals closing. As of June 30th, we had $470,000,000 of assets held for sale, and I currently expect our sales to be around $2.5 billion for the full year. Our liquidity position continues to be very strong. As of June 30th, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $22 billion.

First, we had a tax provision release of $41 million. And second, our SG&A expense was higher than normal due to higher stock-based compensation expense, which was driven by some upfront recognition of expenses.

Going forward. We expect stock-based compensation expense, to return, to a more normal run rate of around a quarter.

Turning to sales, our net gain on sale of assets was 57 million. We sold 18 of our owned assets, during the quarter for total sales, revenue of 374 million,

that resulted in an unlevered, gain on sale margin of 18%, which is equivalent to a multiple of 1.7 times, Book value,

The sales volume was a little lower than normal during the second quarter, mainly due to the timing of deals closing.

Year.

Are liquidity position continues to be very strong.

Peter Juhas: That includes $2.7 billion of cash and $12 billion of revolvers and other committed facilities, as well as expected sales and operating cash flow. Our sources to uses coverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 1.9 times, which amounts to excess cash coverage of around $10 billion. Our leverage ratio was 2.2 to 1, down from 2.4 to 1 last quarter. That decrease was primarily driven by the favorable insurance judgment that we received in June. Our operating cash flow was approximately $1.3 billion for the second quarter, and our average cost of debt remained the same at 4.1%. We bought back 4.7 million shares during the quarter for a total of $445,000,000. That takes us to over $1,000,000,000 of share repurchases so far this year. We currently have around $800,000,000 of available capacity remaining in our existing share repurchase authorization.

As of June 30th, our total sources of liquidity were approximately $22 billion.

That includes 2.7 billion dollars of cash and 12 billion dollars of revolvers and other committed facilities as well as expected sales and operating cash flow.

Our sources uses coverage ratio at the end of the quarter was 1.9 times which amounts to excess cash coverage of around 10 billion dollars.

Our leverage ratio was 2.2 to 1 down from 2.4 to 1 last quarter, that decrease was primarily driven by the favorable Insurance judgment that we received in June

Our operating cash flow is approximately 1.3 billion for the second quarter and our average cost of debt remained the same at 4.1%.

We bought back 4.7 million shares during the quarter for a total of 445 million that takes us to over a billion dollars of Sherry purchases so far. This year we currently have around 800 million dollars of available capacity remaining in our existing Sherry purchase authorization.

Peter Juhas: Turning now to guidance, in February, we projected adjusted earnings per share at $8.50 to $9.50 for the full year 2025, not including any gains on sale. On our last earnings call, given the strong performance in the first quarter, we raised our guidance to the top half of that range. As Gus mentioned, today we're raising our full year 2025 adjusted EPS guidance to approximately $11.60. That includes $1.10 of gains on sale that we had in the first half of the year, but it doesn't include any gains on sale for the second half of the year. In the first half, the outperformance relative to guidance was driven by higher lease revenue, including net maintenance contribution, and we would expect lease revenue to continue to be strong in the second half of the year.

Turning now to guidance in February, we projected adjusted earnings per share of 8.50 to $9.50 for the full year 2025 not including any gains on sale.

On our last earnings, call given the strong performance. In the first quarter, we raised our guidance to the top half of that range as Gus mentioned. Today, we're raising our full year 2025 adjusted EPS guidance to approximately $11.60.

That includes the dollar and 10 cents of gains on sale that we had in the first half of the year, but it doesn't include any gains on sale for the second half of the year.

Peter Juhas: We also had some benefits from higher other income in the first quarter, as well as the tax release in the second quarter. So that results in full-year guidance of $11.60. This reflects our strong performance year to date and our positive outlook for the rest of the year. So in closing, we're coming off another strong quarter for AirCap in terms of earnings and EPS, and of course the favorable decision in our insurance case. We continue to be in a position of strength with a strong balance sheet, low leverage, and strong liquidity. We're confident about the outlook for the business, as you can see from our increase in full-year guidance and our repurchases of over $1,000,000,000 of stock so far this year. With that, operator, we'll open up the call for Q&A.

In the first half, the outperformance relative to guidance was driven by higher lease Revenue, including net maintenance contribution, and we would expect lease Revenue to continue to be strong in the second half of the year.

We also had some benefits from higher other income in the first quarter as well as the tax reliefs in the second quarter.

So that results in full year guidance of $11.60, this reflects our strong performance year to date and our positive outlook for the rest of the year.

So in closing, we're coming off another strong quarter for air comp in terms of earnings and EPs. And of course, the favorable decision in our insurance case, we continue to be in a position of strength, with a strong balance sheet, low leverage and strong liquidity. We're confident about the outlook for the business as you can see from our increase in full year guidance and our repurchases.

Of over $1 billion of stock so far this year, with that operator, we'll open up the call for Q&A.

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Analyst: Hi. Thank you. Good morning. Maybe just to start off with the partnership with Air France-KLM, is there any way you can maybe size that opportunity and talk about how much excess capital you kind of deploy into that? We kind of take a step back, maybe just update us on how you're thinking about capital allocation. You guys continue to be under-levered relative to target. So maybe just talk about deployment of that capital overall.

We will take our first question from Terry. Maw with Barclays.

Aengus Kelly: Sure. Let me start with the Air France-KLM joint venture. This opens up another broad customer base to our engine business. And the great advantage for Air France-KLM as they move into the LEAP overhaul business is that they have a partner now that has experience of moving hundreds of LEAP engines around the world on time and on spec for the existing OEM CFM. So that's very important. As regards to how big it will grow, we'll have to see over time. Initially, it'll be a small amount, but like all these investments, these are long-term in nature like the business is and something we're looking to regarding the long term. I'll let Pete answer the question on the capital allocation.

A whole business is that they have a partner. Now, that has experience of moving, hundreds of leap engines around the world on time and on spec for the existing OEM CFM.

So, that's very important as regards to how big it will grow. We'll have to see over time. Initially, it will be a small amount, but like all these investments, these are long-term in nature, like the businesses and something we’re looking to regarding the long term. I'll let Pete answer the question on the capital allocation.

Peter Juhas: Sure. Thanks, Gus. So Terry, in terms of capital allocation, so far this year, we've deployed a little over $1,000,000,000 for share buybacks. We've also bought $3 billion of aircraft, as Gus mentioned, and we've got another $3 billion of buybacks of CAPEX later this year, as well as the remaining $800 million in our program. And as we look at it, look, you know we always look at all different alternatives for deploying excess capital. We are seeing some what we think will be attractive opportunities with some of the airlines now. Now that you're starting to see more aircraft delivering in their order books, we think there will be opportunities there. We also think that there will be opportunities on the engine side to deploy more capital there. And of course, share repurchases continue to be attractive.

Peter Juhas: So I'd say those will be the main avenues as we look out today in terms of deployment of excess capital for the remainder of the year.

Sure. Thanks guys, so Terry in terms of capital, allocation so far this year, we've deployed a little over a billion dollars for share BuyBacks. We've also bought 3 billion dollars of aircraft as Gus mentioned. And we've got another 3 billion of BuyBacks of uh of of of campex leader this year as well as the remaining 800 million in our program. And as we look at it look you know, we always look at all different alternatives for deploying excess Capital. We are seeing some what we think will be attractive opportunities with some of the airlines. Now, now that you're starting to see more aircraft delivering, um, in their order books, we think there will be opportunities there. Um, we also think that there will be opportunities on the engine side to deploy more Capital there, and of course, Sheri purchases continue to be attractive. So I'd say those are will be the main Avenues as we look out today in terms of deployment of excess capital for

Doesn't mean of the year.

Analyst: Got it. That's helpful. And then I guess as a follow-up, I think leasing expenses, ex the maintenance amortization expense, was in the $60,000,000 range this quarter. It's been kind of below average the last two quarters. Kind of what's the outlook for that for the remainder of the year? Thank you.

Got it, that's helpful. And then I guess as a follow up, um, I think leasing expenses X, the maintenance amortization expense was, you know, in the 60 million ranges quarter, it's been kind of

Um, below average, last 2 quarters kind of what's the outlook for that. Um for the remainder of the Year, thank you.

Peter Juhas: Yeah. So leasing expenses have been lower. They were also lower in the first quarter. They came down a bit more in the second quarter. Mainly, that has been due to the high level of extensions and fewer transitions that we've been seeing. Yeah, as you saw, our extension rate in the quarter was 97%. So that's almost a record high. And what the impact of that is it's reducing the amount of leasing expenses that we have. So I think that will continue to trend at lower levels than we had originally expected because of those factors.

Yeah, so leasing expenses have been lower, uh, they were also lower in the first quarter of the came down a bit more in the second quarter, mainly that has been due to the high level of extensions and fewer transitions, that we've been seeing, you know, as you saw our extension rate in the quarter was 97%, so that's, uh, that's almost a record high. And what the impact of that is, it's reducing the amount of leasing expenses that we have. So I think that will continue to Trend, um, at lower levels than we had originally expected. Because of that, uh, those factors

Operator: Any further questions, Mr. Ma?

Any further questions, Mr. MO.

Terry MA: No, that's it. Thank you.

No, that's it. Thank you.

Analyst: Great. Thank you.

Great. Thank you.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Moshe Orenbach with PD Cowan.

We'll take our next question from Moshe Orbach with TD Cowen.

Analyst: Great. Thanks. I apologize because I missed a bit at the beginning, but the increase in your H, your second half or full year kind of CAPEX, does that already encompass your expectation for potentially higher sale leasebacks, or is that something that would be kind of additive to it?

Great, thanks. Um,

I apologize because I missed a bit at the beginning, but the increase in your H, your second half or full year kind of CapEx. Does that already encompass your expectation for potentially higher sale-leasebacks, or is that something that would be, you know, kind of additive to it?

Peter Juhas: No, that $3 billion that we mentioned, Moshe, is just what we've contracted to date. So that's just from the order book. But any so any incremental things that we do would be additive to that number.

No that, that 3 billion that we mentioned, Moshe is just uh, what we've contracted to date. So that's just from the order book. Um, but any so any incremental things that we do would be additive to that number

Analyst: Got it. And you know I guess, I mean, is you know how should we sort of think about the you know the potential for that number to be higher than $3 billion versus you know kind of lower at this stage, like you know kind of the upside-downside, if you will?

Got it. And you know I I guess I mean is you know how how should we sort of think about the you know the the potential for that number to be higher than 3 billion versus you know kind of lower at this stage? Like you know kind of the upside down side if you will.

Peter Juhas: Well, we're starting to see the OEMs pick up their pace of deliveries. I mean, you saw Boeing's results the other day. So I think that we are seeing production rates increase, albeit off a relatively low base. So I think as a starting point, that $6 billion for the year is a reasonable one for us just on in terms of our order book and what's currently contracted. And then things can be additive from there. And one of the benefits that you get if you're doing sale leasebacks or in particular engine deals is that allows for more rapid deployment of capital than, you know, say, if you were doing an OEM order where you're going to get those a new order, you're going to get those aircraft in the 2030s. So that is one of the benefits of those two. How much will it be this year?

Well, we're starting to see the oem's pick up their pace of deliveries. I mean, you saw Boeing's results the other day. Uh, so I think that we are seeing production rates increase albeit off of a relatively low base. Uh, so I think, as a starting point that 6 billion for the year, is a reasonable 1 for us, just on in terms of our order book and what's currently contracted. And then things can be added if, uh, from there and 1 of the benefits that you get, if you're doing sales,

Peter Juhas: Hard to know, but you know we do have excess capital available and we would like to deploy it.

Case backs, or in particular engine deals, allow for more rapid deployment of capital than, you know, say if you were doing an OEM order where you're going to get those new orders, you're going to get those aircraft in the 2330. So that is one of the benefits of those two. How much will it be this year? Hard to know. But, you know, we do have excess capital available and we would like to deploy it.

Analyst: Got it. And maybe since you did bring up the engine business, could you talk about how much, you know, what's the possible amount of capital you could deploy in that, you know, over, you know, I mean, you can kind of pick the period to discuss and just, you know, talk about how important that could be for AirCap. Thanks.

Peter Juhas: Well, we did $5 billion of engine orders last year, and that's $10 billion since we did the GCAS acquisition. So that gives you some idea of how large these can be. And as I said, in contrast to just an order of aircraft from an order book, engines can deliver in some cases weeks after we've concluded that contract because if you think about it, these are spare engines that are immediately needed. That's why we are doing those purchases so they can be immediately put into the spare engine pools for the OEMs. And so that can lead to rapid deployment of capital. So it can be quite large.

What we did 5 billion dollars of engine orders last year and that's and 10 billion dollars since we did the gcash acquisition. So that gives you some idea of how of how large these can be. And as I said in contrast to just an order from on, um, a very aircraft from an order book engines can deliver in some cases weeks after we've concluded that contract because if you think about it, these are spare engines that are immediately needed. That's why they are, that's why um, that's why we are doing those purchases. So they can be immediately, put into the spare engine pools for the oems and so that can lead to Rapid deployment of capital so I it can be quite large.

Analyst: Yeah. Thanks very much.

Thanks very much.

Peter Juhas: Sure.

Sure.

Operator: We'll take our next question from Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

You'll take our next question from Katherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Analyst: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for the time. Maybe just a follow-up on the capital allocation question. You know, leverage is running well below target. Sounds like you have potentially new opportunities in the sale leaseback market. But how do you think about the relative attractiveness of those sale leaseback opportunities versus maybe deploying more capital engines versus buying back AirCap shares? Is the lack of a re-up on the buyback just that you still have $800 million left? Just would love to know kind of how you're thinking about ranking those opportunities.

Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for the time. Um, maybe just a follow up on the capital, allocation question, you know, Leverage is running well, below Target. Sounds like you have potentially new opportunities in the Solly spec Market. But how do you think about the relative attractiveness of of those Phillies back opportunities versus maybe deploying more Capital to engines versus buying back? Air cap shares is is the lack of a re-up on the buyback just that you still have $800 million left. Just just would love to know um kind of how you're thinking about ranking those opportunities.

Peter Juhas: Yeah. That's the rationale, Katie, for in terms of the buyback at the moment. We have a little over $800 million remaining, and so we'd like to utilize that first. So that's why we're not announcing a new authorization at the moment. But as you note, our leverage ratio is low. It's 2.2 to 1. A lot of that is because we got the judgment in June on our insurance case, and those funds just came in at the end of June and early July. So that decreased the leverage ratio by about 20 basis points from 2.4 to 2.2. So when we think about the opportunities, for sure, share buybacks are one of them, but we also think between some of these sale leaseback opportunities with airlines, some of the engine deals that we're considering, I think all of those are in the mix.

Peter Juhas: You know, we'll look at each individually, but I think some combination of those things is the most likely deployment of excess capital this year. I think beyond that, things like M&A and new orders of aircraft are probably behind that at the moment.

Yeah, that's the rationale Katie for in terms of the buyback at the moment we have a little over hundred million dollars remaining and so we'd like to utilize that first. Um, so that's uh that's why we're not announcing a new authorization at the moment. But as you note, our leverage ratio is low, it's 2.2 to 1 a lot of that is because the we got the Judgment in June on our insurance case and those funds just came in at the end of June and early July. Um, so that decreased the leverage ratio by about 20 basis, points from 2.4 to 2.2. Um, so when we think about the opportunities, for sure, share BuyBacks are 1 of them. But we also think, between some of these sell, these spark opportunities with Airlines some of the engine deals that that were considering, I think all of those are are in the mix. You know, we'll look at each individually, but I think some combination of those things is the most likely deployment of excess Capital this year. I think beyond that, you know, things like m&a

Um, and new orders of aircraft are probably behind that at the moment.

Analyst: Okay. Great. Thanks. And maybe just for my follow-up, an 18% gain on sale is nearly double your historical average, so definitely not trying to poke at that. But there's been a lot of focus from investors across the aviation industry on what Boeing, you know, starting to get their act together in production could mean. And that 18% is a little bit lower than the last couple of quarters. Is there any difference in the types or ages of assets you call it this quarter versus the last two or three? Just trying to see if there's any read-through to demand for aircraft in the secondary market or if this is just really like a normal fluctuation based on the types of assets you sold. Thanks.

Okay. Great thanks. And maybe just for my follow-up. Um, and 18% gain on sales is nearly double your historical average. So it's definitely not trying to poke at that. Um but there's been a lot of focus from investors across the aviation industry on what Boeing you know starting to get their act together in production. Uh could mean in in that 18% is a little bit lower than the last couple of

Reporters, is there any difference in the types or ages of assets? You call it this quarter versus the last 2 or 3. Just trying to see if there's any read-through on the demand for aircraft in the secondary market, or if this is just really a normal fluctuation based on the types of assets you sold. Thanks.

Peter Juhas: Sure. I really think it's a normal fluctuation.

Sure, I really think it's a normal fluctuation.

Aengus Kelly: Katie, I was just going to say there that this is just a normal fluctuation. There's nothing more to see there. In terms of demand, it's still extremely strong. Look, the real evidence of that is the extension rates. You can see that we extended an all-time high of 99% of the aircraft. That's what speaks to the strength in the market. You know, whether Boeing are making 34, 36, or 38 airplanes is not going to affect that demand.

Katie, you know, I was just going to say there that this is just a normal fluctuation. There's nothing more to see there in terms of demand; it’s still extremely strong. Uh, look, the real evidence of that is the extension rate. You can see that we extended an all-time high of 99% of the aircraft. That’s what speaks to the strength in the market. Um, you know, whether Boeing is making 34, 36, or 30 aircraft, it's not going to affect that demand.

Analyst: Okay. Great. I thought that would answer. Thank you.

Okay, great. I thought that would answer. Thank you.

Operator: We will take our next question from Ron Epstein with Bank of America.

We will take our next question from Ron Epstein with Bank of America.

Analyst: Hey, yeah. Good morning, guys. Maybe the first one for Pete. You know, when we met up at the air show, you know, we had a pretty in-depth discussion with you on tariffs. Given how things have sort of moved around, how are you thinking about it now and you know, how is the tariff environment kind of impacting the business?

Good, good.

Um, maybe the first 1 for, for Pete, um, you know, when we met up at the oso, you know, we had a pretty in-depth discussion with you on tariffs, given how things have sort of moved around. How, how are you thinking about it now? And you know, how is the Tariff environment? Kind of impacting the business?

Peter Juhas: Sure. Thanks, Ron. So we've seen a very limited impact of tariffs on our business so far. As you know, we've been strong advocates for the zero tariff regime around the world. We were very glad to see that, to see the announcements between the US and the UK and then the US and the EU that came over the weekend. I believe those remove a lot of the uncertainty around tariffs for aviation. So that's very helpful. And what we'd like to see, I think those are a good precedent for other deals that could be done around the world. So that's very helpful. Look, all that being said, all this has moved very quickly, but if those can serve as a precedent and we get back to the zero for zero regime, I think that's best for aviation. It's helpful for the industry overall.

all that being said, all this has moved very quickly but uh, if those can serve as a precedent and we get back to the zero for zero regime,

Peter Juhas: And as I said, so we've seen very minimal impact, and we hope that a lot of this is behind us now.

I think that's best for Aviation, it's helpful for the industry overall and as I said, so we've seen very minimal impact and we hope that uh, that a lot of this is behind us now.

Analyst: Got it. Got it. And then maybe just a broader question. When you think about the return profile on an engine versus the return profile on an airframe, kind of at a high level, how do you guys think about that? I mean, what's better for you all, an airframe or an engine?

Got it, got it. And then maybe just a broader question. Um, when you think about the return profile on an engine versus the return profile on an airframe?

Kind of at a high level, how do you all think about that? I mean, what's what? What's better for you all, an airframe or an engine?

Aengus Kelly: Ron, I wouldn't say one is better than the other. There's different aspects to them. The engine initially has a lower lease yield because no one is paying for seats, lavatories or that biofurnished equipment. However, over time, the aircraft depreciates faster than the engine because you have to depreciate those components that are specific to the first less see. So you get a higher lease rate at the start on aircraft, but you have a shallower depreciation curve over the long term on the engines. The key point of investing in anything in aviation is that you were buying the right asset for its remaining economic life, be that five years or 25 years, and you're buying it at the right price and you know the value of the asset when you buy it.

Ron, I wouldn't say one is better than the other; there are different aspects to them. Um, the engine initially has a lower lease yield because no one is paying for seats, lavatories, all that bio-furnished equipment.

However, over time the aircraft depreciates faster than the engine, because you have to depreciate those components uh, that are specific to the first. Let's see. So, and you get a higher lease rate at the start on aircraft, but you have a shallower depreciation curve over the long term on the engines. The key point of investing in anything in aviation, is that you were buying the right assets for its remaining economic life. Be that 5 years or 25 years and you're buying it at the right price and, you know, the value,

Aengus Kelly: And AirCap has demonstrated that in this industry for 20 plus years that no one has that judgment better than this company.

Of the assets, when you buy us, AerCap has demonstrated that in this industry, for 20 plus years, that no one has that judgment better than this company.

Analyst: Got it. Got it. And then maybe just one last one. With demand for wide bodies clearly picking up, do you think you need to, you know, how do I say, you know, build out your backlog on wide body orders your skyline more so?

Got it, got it. Now, maybe just 1 last 1, you know, with demand for a wide bodies. Clearly picking up. Do do you think you need to, you know, uh, how I say, you know, build out your backlog on, on widebody, orders your your Skyline more? So,

Aengus Kelly: Definitely not. I will build my skyline when it makes money for my shareholders. I have no interest in buying any asset at all if it doesn't make adequate return for shareholders in AirCap. I still believe the cheapest wide bodies in the world are available on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker Alpha Echo Romeo.

Definitely not. I will build my skyline when it makes money for my shareholders. I have no interest in buying any asset at all. If it doesn't make adequate returns for shareholders and our capital, I still believe the cheapest wide bodies in the world are available on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker Alpha Echo Romeo.

Analyst: Okay. All right. Thanks, Gus. Have a good one. Yeah.

Okay, all right. Thanks guys. Have a good 1. Yep.

Operator: We will take our next question from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.

We will take our next question from Jamie Baker with JP Morgan.

Analyst: Oh, thanks for the time. So Gus, do you think we are at peak returns? And if not, when do we get there? And the reason we're asking is, you know, lease rates obviously haven't, you know, fully kept up with the cost of debt. And we're starting to wonder whether competing capital may be one of the reasons, you know, could less disciplined capital be chasing deals lower. And look, we're just thinking out loud, you know, but you know, some of the recent deals from United, you know, that was business away from AirCap. So we're just trying to, we're just wondering what the read-through might be.

Oh, thanks for the time. So guys, um,

you're at Peak returns and if not, when do we get there? And the reason we're asking is, you know, lease rates, obviously haven't, you know, fully kept up with the cost of debt and we're starting to wonder whether competing capital.

May be 1 of the reasons, you know could less discipline Capital be chasing deals, lower and look we're just thinking out loud, you know, but you know some of the recent deals from United, you know, that was business away from aircap. So we're we're just trying to we're just wondering what the read through might be

Aengus Kelly: Sure, Jamie. I mean, look, I can't speak to anyone else in the industry, but I'll hand it over to Pete in a second. But you can see over a very long period of time that we are, AirCap is able to pass on the cost of interest, and we've done that for this year as well, as you'll see. Interest expense is up 5% and the lease revenue matches it. But you know, look, from my perspective, I've always said to you that we target that return of 8% to 10% over the treasury rate, and that's what this company has always returned in all markets. That's what it's averaged in that zone exactly. So you know, this business is extremely stable if you're good at it and you're in it for the long term.

Aengus Kelly: If you're one of the tourists, then you know, yeah, you can have, you can put money to work whether you'll make any, whether you be successful at it or not is another matter. We've exhibited great restraint when it comes to deploying capital, and from our perspective, how we allocate capital, you know, be it buying our own shares, which as I just said to Ron, I believe the cheapest aircraft are available every day on the New York Stock Exchange under our ticker. And you know, you won't see us. You're right. Yes, of course, some deals trade away from us, but that's where we exercise discipline. And you know, you've seen us for 20 years through all markets exercise that discipline, and we'll continue to do that.

Sure, Jamie, I mean, look, I can't speak to anyone else in the industry, but I'll I'll hand it over to Pete in a second. But you can see um, over a very long period of time that we are, are cap is able to pass on, um, the cost of interest. And we've done that for this, uh, this year, as well, as you'll see, um, interest expenses up 5% and the least Revenue matches it. Um, but you know, look from my perspective, I've always said to you, that we target that return of 8% to 10% over the the treasury rate and that's what this company is always returned in in every in, in all markets. That's what it's averaged in that in, in, in that zone. Exactly. So, you know, this business is extremely stable, if you're good at it and you're in it for the long term. Um, if you're 1 of the tourists then, you know, yeah, you can have, uh, you can put money to work whether you'll make any, whether you be successful at it or not is another matter. Um, we've ex ex exhibited great restraint, uh, when it comes to deploying capital and from our perspective,

Um, how we allocate Capital, you know, be it buying our own chairs, which, as I just said to Ron, uh, I believe the cheapest aircraft are available every day on the New York Stock Exchange under under our ticker and, um, you know, you won't see us. You're right. Yes, of course, some deals trade away from us, um, but that's where we exercise discipline. And, you know, you've seen us for 20 years, uh, through all markets exercise, that discipline and we'll continue to do that.

Analyst: Okay. I appreciate that. And then maybe for Pete, you know, you're nicely below the 2.7 debt to equity target. You touched on that in your prepared remarks. So what's more likely from here, running it back up to the target or maybe tightening that target and pushing for low A ratings? Thanks in advance.

Okay, I appreciate that. And then maybe for Pete, you know, you're nicely below the, you know, 2.7 debt, Equity, Target, you touched on that and you're prepared remarks. So what what's more likely from here? Running it back up to the Target.

Below 8 ratings. Thanks in advance.

Peter Juhas: Yeah, Jamie. So I think that we will run it closer to the target. I'd expect it to get up to, you know, get closer to 2.7, whether that's 2.4, 2.5, somewhere in that ballpark. We're not intending to lower that target because fundamentally, I think we're in a good place for the rating agencies now. Look, if we can get to A-minus ratings, that would be great. But ultimately, we're focused on what is the most beneficial for our shareholders? How can we create the highest returns for our shareholders? And so if you think about would we need to do that by lowering the leverage target over a long period and putting in place higher liquidity and other things like that, there's a cost to that, obviously.

Peter Juhas: I think where we are today, having come up from low triple B-minus ratings a couple of years ago to where we are today at triple B plus across the board, that's a very strong performance. Sure, we'd like to go higher, but I think fundamentally, there are a lot of opportunities for us to deploy capital, and we'll look to do that.

Yeah, Jamie. So I think that we will run it closer to the Target. I'd expect it to get up to, you know, get closer to 2.7 whether that's 2. 425 somewhere in that ballpark. Um, we're not intending to lower that Target because, uh, fundamentally I think we're in a good place with the rating agencies. Now, look, if we can get to a minus ratings, that would be great. But ultimately we're focused on what's the what is the most beneficial for our shareholders? How can we, how can we return? Um, create the highest returns for a shareholders. And so, if you think about do, we would we need to do that by lowering the leverage Target over, you know, a long period, um, and putting in place, higher, liquidity, and other things like that. If there's a cost to that, obviously I think where we are today having come up from low uh Triple B, minus ratings, a couple years ago to where we are today at Triple B plus the board. That's a very strong performance, sure. We'd like,

To go higher. But I think fundamentally there are a lot of opportunities for us to deploy capital and and we'll look to do that.

Analyst: Okay. Thanks to you both. Appreciate it.

Okay, thanks to you both. Appreciate it.

Peter Juhas: Sure.

Sure.

Operator: We will take our next question from Christine Leewag with Morgan Stanley.

We will take our next question from Christine Lee with Morgan Stanley.

Analyst: Hey, good morning, everyone. And maybe Gus, you know, following up on your comments on AirCap's success for the past 20 years, I mean, we've seen all the numbers, and at this point, I mean, you are the largest aircraft lessor in the entire world. So congratulations on that success. But you know, I guess when we look for growth, and Wall Street's always looking for the incremental growth, as you continue to deliver that strong return and the business continues to deliver, and we look at your forward order book and purchase and leasebacks, it kind of decelerates starting 2027. I mean, how do we think about the size of AirCap in the next five years or even, I mean, 20 years may be a little too far out, but maybe in the next three to five years, how big could you be?

Analyst: And are you getting to the point on return that you're too big that getting that outsized 8% to 10% consistently over the treasury rate may be getting harder? And if that's the case, you know, where do you see incremental growth?

Hey, good morning everyone. And maybe Gus you know, following up on your comments on air cap success for the past 20 years. I mean we've seen all the numbers and at this point I mean, you are the largest aircraft lessor in the entire world. So congratulations on on that success. But you know, I guess um when we look for growth and wall, Street's always looking for the incremental growth, as you can continue to the deliver that strong return, and the business continues to deliver. And we look at your forward order book and purchase and Lease backs it. It kind of decelerates starting 2027. I mean, how do we think about, uh, the size of air cap in the next 5 years? Or even, I mean, 20 years, maybe a little too far out, but maybe in the next 3 to 5 years, how big could you be and are you getting to the point, um, on return that you're you're too big that getting that outsized, um, you know, 8 to 10%, consistently over the treasury rate, maybe getting harder and if that's the case, you know, where do you see incremental growth?

Aengus Kelly: Thanks, Christine. Well, look, from our perspective, this is a growing industry, aviation. Every 20 years, it doubles in size. And aircraft leasing is doubling within that itself. So it's continuing to grow every year. So I'm not worried about growth over the long term. It always comes. And indeed, if you just look at the amount of CAPEX we contracted in 2024, it was $6 billion plus that we managed to contract that wasn't there at the beginning of the year. So I'm not concerned about where the order book is. I'd be extraordinarily concerned if I was ordering airplanes that were going to have a negative effect to my shareholders and we followed the GAAP model of growth at any price. That's something we'll never do. The objective of this company is to create value for our shareholders. And that means growing profitability.

Thanks, Christine. Well, look, um, from our perspective, this is a growing industry. Aviation every 20 years doubles in size, and aircraft leasing is doubling within that itself. So it's continuing to grow every year. So I'm not worried about growth over the long term; it always comes. And indeed, if you just look at the amount of...

Aengus Kelly: And that does not necessarily mean growing revenue. Of course, we have grown revenue tremendously. We've grown the balance sheet tremendously, but at the right times. And I'm very confident that given the growth industry, AirCap's position in the industry, the relationships we have, the influence we have, that profitable growth opportunities will come our way. And in any event, as I said earlier on in the call twice, I certainly believe that the best value aircraft in the world are available under the ticker Alpha Echo Romeo down on the NYSE.

Capex. We contracted in 2024, it was 6 billion plus uh, that we managed to contract that wasn't there at the beginning of the year. So I'm not concerned about where the order book is, I'd be extraordinarily concerned if I was ordering airplanes that were going to have a negative effect, uh, to my shareholders, and we followed the Gap model of growth, at any price. That's something, we'll never do the objective of this company is to create value for our shareholders and that means growing profitability, and that does not necessarily mean growing revenue. Of course, we have grown Revenue tremendously. We've grown the balance sheet tremendously but at the right times and, um, I'm very confident that given the growth industry are caps position in the industry. Uh, the relationships, we have the influence. We have, uh, that, uh, profitable growth opportunities will come our way and in any event. Um, as I said earlier, on, in the call twice, I certainly believe that the best value aircraft in the world are available under the ticker Al

To Echo Romeo down on the NYSC.

Analyst: Thanks, Gus. And maybe Pete as a follow-up, look, we have seen a modest compression in the annualized net spread over the past few years as interest expense has been ticking up. Are there, you know, with the balance sheet continuing to improve and leverage going down, are there different ways in which you could further reduce cost of interest? And when would you expect the annualized net spread to start expanding again?

Thanks. Thanks, Gus. And maybe Pete as a follow-up. Um, look, we have seen a modest compression and the annualized net spread um, over the past few years as a net in as interest expense has been taking up, are there. Uh, we know with the balance sheet, continue to improve and leverage going down. Are there different ways in which you could further reduce, uh, cost of interest? And when would you expect the annualized net spread to start expanding again?

Peter Juhas: Yeah, thanks, Christine. So the net spread will be expanding. I'd expect it to be going up from here kind of on a sequential level quarterly and then into the next few years as well. Because what we're seeing is the portfolio yield, the lease rate factor is going up. That's going to continue to climb. And so overall, net spread is going to increase. I would remind you, though, that net spread obviously isn't the whole story. There is a lot beyond net spread. We're not managing to that. We're managing to EPS. But I do think the profitability will increase going forward. And maybe just to touch for a second on Jamie's question before in terms of whether we reached peak profitability for the industry, I don't think so.

Peter Juhas: In part because even the deals that we're doing today, there is a lag in terms of seeing the financial results come through for those. So even if you did reach peak profitability in terms of the market being great today, you're not going to see the financial results of those really flow through for the next few until the next few years. So I think we've got a good tailwind on that. We've got a good tailwind in terms of COVID leases rolling off. That will take time, but it is a tailwind. So I think there are a number of things that are positive for us as a company going into the next few years.

Question before in terms of, whether we've reached Peak profitability for the industry, I don't think so. Uh, in part because even the deals that we're doing today, there is a lag in terms of seeing the financial results come through for those. So even if you did reach peach profitability, in terms of the market being great today, you're not going to see the financial results of those really flow through for the next few until the next few years. So, I think we've got a good Tailwind on that. We've got a good Tailwind in terms of Co leases rolling off. That will take time, but it is a Tailwind. So I think there are a number of things that that are positive for us as a company. Uh, going into the next few years.

Analyst: Great. Thank you very much, guys.

Great, thank you very much, guys.

Peter Juhas: Sure.

Sure.

Operator: We will take our next question from Hillary Cacavando with Deutsche Bank.

We will take our next question from Hillary kokando with Deutsche Bank.

Analyst: Hi. Thank you for taking my question. I know you already wrote down your exposure to Azul late last year, but you know that was before they filed for bankruptcy. I was just wondering if there could be, you know, any other impact from Azul's bankruptcy from your end?

Hi, thank you for uh taking my questions. Um, I know you already wrote down your exposure to azool late last year, but you know, that was before they file for bankruptcy. I was just wondering if there could be, you know, any other impact from bankrupt, uh, Azul bankruptcy from your end.

Peter Juhas: Thanks, Hillary. Yes. So last year, you're right, we did take a provision against Azul. And as we look out today, so Azul is still in bankruptcy. They've been making progress on their restructuring plan. We don't see any impact compared to where we were. So I think minimal impact this quarter from Azul. And we think we're fully provisioned there for how this restructuring should play out.

Uh, thanks, Hillary. Yes. So, so last year you're right, we did take a provision against azool. Um, and as we look out today, so zul is still in bankruptcy. Uh, they've been, they've been making progress in their restructuring plan. We don't see any impact of compared to where we were.

so I think minimal impact this quarter from Azul and we think for fully provisioned there for how this restructuring should play out,

Analyst: Great. Thank you. Thank you for that. And then, you know, so far we saw about, you know, 10 very young A320neos getting retired in the market and, you know, parted out to harvest the engines just, you know, given the demands of spare engines. You know, I guess that speaks to the strength of the engine market. So, you know, I guess I just wanted to get your thoughts on that phenomenon and, you know, if that's something that you expect to continue.

And then, you know, so far we saw about, you know, 10 very young 8320 meals getting retired in the market and, you know, parted out to harvest the engines just, you know, giving the demand for spare engines. Um, you know, I guess that speaks to the, to the strength of the engine market. So, you know, I just, I just wanted to get your thoughts on on that phenomenon and you know, if that's something that you expect to happen to you,

Aengus Kelly: Well, there's a couple of items there, actually. On the report of those neos being torn down, there are two twenty aircraft that were in Egypt. They are being disassembled. The other aircraft, the A320 aircraft that you're speaking about, it's my understanding that it's only the engines that have been removed. The aircraft themselves are not being torn down. And that is in order for Pratt & Whitney to support the obligations it has to its customers. So that's not happening, as far as I'm aware, on A320neos to tear down. It is only happening on the two twenties that were in Egypt.

Um, well, there's a couple of items there actually. On those, uh, the report of those NEOS being torn down, there are um, 220 aircraft, um, that were in Egypt. They are being disassembled, the other aircraft, the A320 aircraft that you're speaking about. It's my understanding that it's only the engines that have been removed, the aircraft themselves are not being torn down, and that is in order for press and Whitney to support the obligations, it has to its customers. Um, so I I that's not happening as, as far as I'm aware on A3 news, the tear Downs, it is only happening on the 220s that were in Egypt.

Analyst: Got it. Great. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Got it. Great. That's very helpful. Thank you.

Operator: We will go back to Catherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

We will go back to Katherine O'Brien with Goldman Sachs.

Analyst: Oh, hey, thanks for the extra time. Maybe just one more on the sale leaseback opportunity. Are these, you know, more opportunistic from distressed airlines, or is this just a function of more deliveries, driving less competition per RFP? Just was curious as I know that market has been pretty competitive and not very attractive the last couple of years. So I was just wondering what's driving the shift. Thanks.

Oh, hey, thanks for extra time. Um, maybe just 1 more on the Sally's back opportunity. Um, are these, you know more opportunity opportunistic from distressed Airlines? Or is this just a function of more deliveries driving less competition per RFP? Just just was curious. As I know that market has been pretty competitive and and not very attractive the last couple years just wondering what's driving the shift. Thanks.

Peter Juhas: Well, Catherine, first of all, we have to execute on them. Now, we have done so over the years. And you can see that indeed last year with the amount of CAPEX we put on the books that was not there at the beginning of the year. You know, it's highly unlikely we're going to be competing in open bid sale leaseback transactions. It's where we bring other things to the table in terms of our installed fleet, our engine business, et cetera. There are different things we bring to the table that others don't. So I can't say that every deal is uniquely bilateral, but we certainly wouldn't be entering into many sale leaseback transactions. I don't think we have where there's just open bids where everybody's bidding against us.

Well, councilman, first of all, we have to execute on them. Now, we have done so over the years, um, and you can see that indeed last year, with the amount of capex, we put on the books, that was not there at the beginning of the year. Um, you know, it's highly unlikely, we're, uh, going to be competing in open. Bid sale lease back transactions. It's where we bring other things to the table. In terms of our installed Fleet our engine business Etc. There are different things we bring to the table. That others don't. Um, so I can't say that every deal is, uh, uniquely bilateral, uh, but we certainly wouldn't be entering into, um, many sales back transactions. I don't think we have where there's just open bids where everybody's bidding against us.

Analyst: Great. Thanks.

Be great. Thanks.

Operator: There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Kelly, at this time, I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Kelly at this time, I will turn the conference back to you for any additional or closing remarks.

Aengus Kelly: Thank you very much, everyone, for joining us for the call. And we look forward to speaking to you during the quarter. Enjoy the rest of the summer. Goodbye.

Thank you very much, everyone for joining us for the call and uh we look forward to speaking to you during the quarter, enjoy the rest of the summer, goodbye.

Operator: This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

This concludes today's call, thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect