Q2 2025 Xylem Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good day, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's second quarter 2025 results conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on your telephone keypads. To withdraw your questions, you may press star and two. Please note that today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Mr. Keith Buettner, Vice President, Investor Relations and FP&A. Sir, please go ahead.
Good day, everyone and welcome to xylum second quarter. 2025 results conference call.
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Keith Buettner: Thank you, Operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's second quarter 2025 earnings call. With me today are Chief Executive Officer Matthew Pine and Chief Financial Officer Bill Grogan. They will provide their perspectives on Xylem's second quarter results and discuss the third quarter and full-year 2025 outlook. Following our prepared remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered on the call. I'll ask that you please keep to one question and I'll follow up and then return to the queue. As a reminder, this call and our webcast are accompanied by a slide presentation available in the Investor section of our website. A replay of today's call will be available until midnight, August 14th, and will be available for playback via the Investor section of our website under the heading Investor Events. Please turn to slide two.
Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. And welcome to xylem second quarter 2025 earnings call with me today. Our chief executive officer, Matthew, Pine, and Chief Financial Officer Bill Grogan
They will provide their perspectives on zile and second quarter results and discuss the third quarter and full year 2025 Outlook.
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As a reminder, this call and our webcast are accompanied by a slide presentation available in the investor section of our website.
A replay of today's call will be available until midnight August 14th and will be available for playback via the investor section of our website under the heading, investor events.
Keith Buettner: We will make some forward-looking statements on today's call, including references to future events or developments that we anticipate will or may occur in the future. These statements are subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as those factors described in Xylem's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and in subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Please note that the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements publicly to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, and actual events or results could differ materially from those anticipated. Please turn to slide three. We have provided you with a summary of key performance metrics, including both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics. For the purposes of today's call, all references will be on an organic and/or adjusted basis unless otherwise indicated, and non-GAAP financials have been reconciled for you and are included in the appendix section of the presentation.
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Keith Buettner: Now, please turn to slide four, and I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Matthew Pine.
We have provided you with a summary of key performance metrics, including both gaap, and non-gaap metrics for the purposes of today's call all references, will be on an organic Andor adjusted basis, unless otherwise indicated, and non-gaap financials have been reconciled for you, in our included in the appendix section of the presentation.
Matthew Pine: Thank you, Keith. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. The team delivered another strong performance in Q2, continuing the momentum we built over the last several quarters. We generated broad-based organic revenue growth led by Measurement and Control Solutions. Adjusted EBITDA margin reached a quarterly record of 21.8%, up 100 basis points year over year, and adjusted EPS grew mid-teens. Demand for our products and solutions remains resilient, and we've seen particularly solid orders pace, including double-digit growth in smart metering. So we're raising our full-year guidance for revenue and EPS. That raised guidance reflects our confidence in delivering strong performance balanced with prudent management of our outlook. I'm very proud of the team for operating with discipline in a dynamic environment, navigating tariff uncertainty, inflation, and speculation about the impact of trade policy on demand.
Now, please turn the slide 4 and I'll turn the call over to our CEO. Matthew pi
Thank you, Keith. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us. The team delivered, another strong performance in Q2 continuing the momentum, we built over the last several quarters.
We generated broad-based organic Revenue growth led by measurement and control Solutions.
Adjusted ebit and margin reached, a quarterly record of 21.8% up, a 100 basis points year-over-year.
In adjusted EPS, group mid-, teens.
Demand for our products and solutions remains resilient. And we've seen particularly solid orders Pace, including double digit growth in smart metering.
So we're raising our full year guidance for revenue and eps.
That rates guidance reflects our confidence in delivering, strong performance, balance with prudent management of our Outlook.
Matthew Pine: Our pricing and supply chain actions more than offset inflation and tariff-related costs. Simplification efforts are driving measurable improvements in productivity and customer responsiveness. And we're seeing the benefits in margin expansion and in our ability to serve customers more efficiently. As I mentioned, underlying demand signals remain resilient across our end markets. We're not seeing any material demand pull forward from the second half, and our backlog remains strong. Our guidance, which Bill will get into in a moment, assumes current and announced tariff structures remain in place, and we built in contingencies for potential volatility. We remain focused on executing the plan we laid out in Investor Day last year. The transformation of our operating model across culture, processes, and structure has already had significant positive impact on our business and our results. Simplifying our operations and structure has reduced complexity and enabled faster decision-making.
I'm very proud of the team for operating with discipline and a dynamic environment navigating tariff uncertainty inflation. And speculation about the impact of trade policy on demand,
Our pricing and supply chain actions more than offset inflation, and tariff related costs.
Simplification efforts are driving measurable improvements in productivity and customer responsiveness.
And we're seeing the benefits in margin expansion and in our ability to serve customers more efficiently.
As I mentioned underlying demand signals remain resilient across our end markets. We're not seeing any material, demand. Pull forward from the second half in our backlog remains strong.
Our guidance which bill will get into in a moment assumes current and announced tariff structures remain in place and we built in contingencies for potential volatility.
We remain focused on executing the plan. We laid out an investor Day last year.
The transformation of our operating model across culture, processes, and structure has already had a significant positive impact on our business and our results.
Matthew Pine: As an example, this quarter we set a Xylem record for on-time performance. We're seeing the benefits of simplification in our focus, speed, and margins. At the same time, we're enhancing our operational performance. We're also enhancing our portfolio for growth. For example, with two recent targeted acquisitions and advanced treatment. Our strong first-half performance gives us confidence in our ability to deliver both a strong 2025 and our long-term financial framework. With that, I'll turn over to Bill to walk through the quarter's results, our financial position, and our updated outlook. Bill?
Simplifying, our operations and structure has reduced complexity and enabled faster decision-making.
As an example, this quarter, we set a xylem record for on-time performance.
We're seeing the benefits of simplification in our Focus speed and margins.
At the same time, we're enhancing our operational performance. We're also enhancing our portfolio for growth.
For example, with 2 recent targeted Acquisitions in advanced treatment.
Our strong first half performance. Gives us confidence in our ability to deliver, both a strong 2025 and our long-term Financial framework.
Bill Grogan: Thanks, Matthew. Please turn to slide five. We're very pleased with the strong quarter and first half. The team remained focused and delivered results that exceeded our expectations. Our simplification initiatives have set us up to be agile and mitigate risk in an uncertain environment. And there's still considerable impact to come as we continue to implement our operating model, transformation, and reap the benefits of 80/20. Demand across the business remains healthy, with orders up 4% even against tough comps, and we closed the quarter with year-to-date book-to-bil near one. Backlog increased in all segments except MCS, where we are successfully working it down to a more normalized level. Overall, backlog remains above $5 billion. Revenue growth was strong at 6% in the quarter, ahead of our expectations, primarily driven by outperformance in MCS, but with contributions from all segments.
With that, I'll turn it over to Bill to walk through the quarter's results, our financial position and our updated Outlook bill.
Thanks Matthew. Please turn to slide 5.
We're very pleased with the strong quarter and first half the team remained focused and delivered results that exceeded our expectations.
Our simplification initiatives have set us up to be agile and mitigate risk in an uncertain environment.
And there's still considerable impact to come as we continue to implement our operating model transformation and reap. The benefits of 80/20.
Demand across the business remains healthy with orders of 4%, even against tough comps and we closed the quarter with year to date book to Bill near 1.
Backlog increased in all segments, except MCS where we are successfully, working it down to a more normalized level.
Overall, backlog remains above 5 million billion dollars.
Bill Grogan: EBITDA margin expanded 100 basis points year over year, driven by productivity, pricing, and volume, more than offsetting inflation mixed in investments. Increased operational discipline continues to come through in our results, with Q2 EPS of $1.26, 12 cents above the midpoint of our guidance, and up 16% versus the prior year. Year-to-date free cash flow is down 61 million year over year, primarily due to outsourced water projects and timing of tax payments, mostly offset by higher net income and improved networking capital. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA stands at 0.4 times, reflecting our strong balance sheet and capacity for continued investment. Let's turn to slide six. We had outstanding results across the segments and want to start with Measurement and Control Solutions. Demand for our AMI solutions remains robust, as orders grew 12% organically with strength across water and energy metering. Backlog remains healthy at $1.7 billion.
% in the quarter ahead of our expectations, primarily driven by outperformance in MCS but with contributions from all segments.
Even a margin expanded 100 basis points year-over-year driven by productivity pricing and volume more than offsetting inflation mixed and Investments.
Increased operational. Discipline continues to come through in our results, with Q2 EPS of a126 12 cents above the midpoint of our guidance and up 16% versus the prior year.
Year to-day free cash flow is down 61 million year-over-year primarily due to outsourced water projects and timing of tax payments. Mostly offset by higher net. Income and improved networking capital,
Net debt to adjusted ibida stands at 0.4 times. Reflecting our strong balance sheet and capacity for continued investment. Let's turn to slide 6.
We had outstanding results across the segments and want to start with measurement and control Solutions.
Demand for our Ami Solutions remains robust as orders. Grew, 12%, organically with strength across water and energy metering.
Bill Grogan: Revenue was up 10%, driven by energy metering demand and backlog execution. Adjusted EBITDA margin was better than expected at 23.1%, down just 30 basis points year over year, driven by inflation and mix, mostly offset by productivity, higher volumes, and price. In Q2, we saw an acceleration in higher margin and energy orders, helping offset the negative impact of unfavorable legacy projects. Project timing and lower tariffs also helped drive favorable performance compared to our original expectations. In water infrastructure, demand remains strong across most regions and end markets. Book-to-bil was above one, despite orders declining by 2% against difficult comps. Funding delays in the UK and Canada were the primary drivers of the decline, and we expect that to resolve in the second half of the year.
Backlog remains healthy at 1.7 billion dollars.
Revenue was up, 10% driven by any energy. Metering, demand and backlog execution.
Adjusted ebit of margin, was better than expected at 23.1% down just 30 basis points, year-over-year driven by inflation and mix. Mostly offset by productivity higher volumes and price.
In Q2, we saw an acceleration in higher margin of energy, orders, helping offset the negative impact of unfavorable Legacy projects.
Project timing and lower, tariffs also helped Drive favorable performance compared to our original expectations.
In water infrastructure demand remains strong across most regions in end markets.
Book to bill was above 1, despite orders declining by 2% against difficult comps.
Funding delays in the UK and Canada where the primary drivers of the decline and we expect that to resolve in the second half of the year.
Bill Grogan: Revenue grew 4%, led by treatment demand and growth in all regions, with the exception of China, where we continue to see ongoing economic challenges. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 200 basis points to 21.8%, driven by productivity and price, partially offset by inflation. And the WI team continues to get significant traction with their 80/20 efforts. In applied water, orders rose for the sixth straight quarter, up 4%, with strength in commercial buildings. Revenue increased 5%, with growth in the US and strength in commercial buildings. Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 420 basis points to 21.7%, driven by productivity and price, partially offset by inflation, including tariffs. The segment continues to set the pace for delivering benefits from 80/20. And in water solutions and services, orders increased 5%, led by services for utility and power end markets. Revenue grew 5%, with contributions from capital projects and services.
Revenue grew 4%, led by treatment, demand, and growth in all regions, with the exception of China, where we continue to see ongoing economic challenges.
Adjusted ebit and margin expanded, 200 basis points to what 21.8% driven by productivity and price partially offset by inflation and the wi team continues to get significant traction with their 8020 efforts.
And applied water, orders Rose for the 6 Straight quarter of 4% with strength and commercial buildings.
Revenue. Increased 5% with growth in the US and strength in commercial buildings.
Adjusted IBA, margin expanded 420 basis points to 21.7% driven by productivity and price partially offset by inflation including tariffs.
The segment continues to set the pace for delivering benefits from 80/20.
And in Water Solutions and services orders increased 5% led by services for utility and power and markets.
Bill Grogan: Adjusted EBITDA margin expanded 60 basis points to 24.4%, reflecting strong execution on price and productivity, divestitures, and revenue synergies, partially offset by inflation. Let's move to slide seven. As outlined in our last quarterly earnings call, we've taken proactive steps to mitigate tariff impacts, implementing targeted pricing actions and accelerated supply chain adjustments. We're updating our annualized outlook based on the current rates, noting the fluid nature of the impacts, though. We've added the impact of Section 232 tariffs on steel and aluminum, as well as the Russell Rule. While there remains uncertainty around final timings and tariff levels, we are confident that the pricing actions and available supply chain levers will allow us to substantially offset the current impacts, though we expect a slightly dilutive impact on margin. Let's turn to slide eight. Given our strong first-half performance and execution momentum, we are raising our full-year guidance.
Revenue grew 5% with contributions from capital projects and services.
Adjusted ebit to margin expanded 60 basis points to 24.4% reflecting strong execution on price and productivity deve and revenue synergies partially offset by inflation.
Let's move to slide 7.
As outlined in our last quarterly earnings call. We've taken proactive steps to mitigate tariff impacts implementing targeting. Targeted pricing actions and accelerated supply chain adjustments.
We're updating our annualized Outlook based on the current rates noting. The fluid nature of the impacts though. We've added the impact of section, 232 tariffs, and steel on steel and aluminum.
As well as the rest of the world.
While the remains uncertainty around final timings and tariff levels. We are confident that the pricing actions and available supply chain. Levers will allow us to substantially offset. The current impacts though. We expect a slightly diluted impact on margin
Let's turn to slide 8.
Bill Grogan: We now expect full-year revenue of $8.9 to $9 billion, representing 4% to 5% total growth and approximately 4% organic growth. Adjusted EBITDA margin is unchanged at 21.3% to 21.8%, reflecting 70 to 120 basis points of expansion versus prior year. Our strong first-half performance is mitigated a bit by the dilutive impact of tariffs. We are raising the adjusted EPS guide to $4.70 to $4.85, up from $4.50 to $4.70. Free cash flow margin remains at 9% to 10%. For Q3, we expect revenue of $2.2 billion, with 4% to 5% organic growth. Adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to be 21.7% to 22.2%, and adjusted EPS is expected to be $1.20 to $1.25. There continues to be macro uncertainty, particularly around tariffs and FX movements that could impact our performance. But as the results show, the team is doing a great job controlling what we can control.
Given our strong first half performance and execution momentum, we are raising our full year guidance.
We now expect full year revenue of 8.9 to 9 billion dollars representing 4 to 5% total growth and approximately 4% organic growth.
Adjusted ibida margin is unchanged at 21.3 to 21.8% reflecting 70 to 120 basis points of expansion versus prior year. Our strong first half performance is mitigated a bit by the dilutive impact of terrorists.
.50 to $4.70.
For free, cash flow margin remains at 9 to 10.
For Q3, we expect revenue of 2.2 billion with 4 to 5% organic growth.
Adjusted IBA margin is expected to be 21.7% to 22.2%, and adjusted EPS is expected to be $1.20 to $1.25.
Bill Grogan: We remain confident in our ability to deliver our full-year commitments, supported by strong demand, backlog execution, and benefits from simplification. Let's turn to slide nine, and I'll turn it back to Matthew.
Operator: Thanks, Bill. Building on Bill's guidance comments, we entered the second half with confidence, both in our ability to deliver a strong 2025 and also in our long-term framework that we laid out in Investor Day last year. That plan outlined how Xylem would create value by leveraging our combination with Evoqua, simplifying our business for speed and performance, and delivering profitable above-market growth over the cycle. I want to take a moment to recognize and thank the team that is driving so much momentum on all three of those vectors of value creation. On Evoqua, we're now two years post-close, and the team has done an outstanding job with the integration. By the numbers, we delivered the cost synergies ahead of schedule, and we're seeing the value of our combined portfolio and strong traction on revenue synergies across both industrial and utility end markets.
There continues to be macro uncertainty, particularly around tariffs and FX movements that could impact our performance. But as the results show, the team is doing a great job controlling what we can control. We remain confident in our ability to deliver our full-year commitments, supported by strong demand, backlog, execution, and benefits from simplification. Let's turn to slide 9, and I'll turn it back to Matthew.
Thanks Bill. Building on Bill's guidance, comments. We entered the second half with confidence, both in our ability to deliver a strong 2025 and also in our long-term framework that we laid out in investor Day last year.
That plan outlined how xylem we created value by leveraging. Our combination with a Voca simplifying, our business for Speed and Performance and delivering profitable above market growth over the cycle.
I want to take a moment to recognize and thank the team that is driving so much momentum on all 3 of those vectors of value creation.
On a vocal. We're now 2 years. Post close. And the team has done an outstanding job with the integration.
Operator: But we also recognize that sustainable success from an acquisition of this scale requires deep cultural integration, which is why we've given so much attention to transforming our combined culture and made it an integral part of our operating model. And it shows in the way our teams are working. When you walk around our operations, you can see and feel how aligned our teams are, how quickly they're turning strategy into action and delivering results. We also use the integration as a catalyst and imperative to simplify our business. Since launching our operating model transformation last September, the changes we've made to structure, processes, and systems have enabled faster decisions, clearer accountability, and better service. We're seeing that show up in our performance. The second quarter is a strong demonstration of the team's increased speed and agility.
By the Numbers we delivered, the cost synergies ahead of schedule and we're seeing the value of our combined portfolio in strong traction, on Revenue synergies across both industrial, and utility and markets.
But we also recognize that sustainable success from an acquisition of this scale requires deep cultural integration.
Which is why we've given so much attention to Transforming Our combined culture and made it an integral part of our operating model.
And it shows in the way our teams are working. When you walk around our operations, you can see and feel how aligned our teams are, how quickly they're turning strategy into action and delivering results.
We also use the integration as a catalyst and imperative to simplify our business.
Since launching our operating model transformation last September. The changes we've made to structure processes and systems have enabled faster, decisions, clearer accountability, and better service.
Operator: In addition to the strong financial results, the team delivered a new benchmark in on-time performance. That's a clear signal that our customers are benefiting from the team's hard work and getting tangible value from our transformation. At the same time we're sharpening our operational discipline, we're also strengthening Xylem's growth engine. For example, we recently added two high-value capabilities to our platform with the acquisitions of Vacom and EnviroMix. Vacom brings proprietary breakthrough solutions in zero liquid discharge, which offers compelling value propositions to attractive industrial verticals like microelectronics and energy. EnviroMix represents another enhancement to our advanced treatment portfolio. The company is a leader in non-mechanical mixing and biological process solutions, which enhances our ability to serve one of the fastest growing segments in water: advanced nutrient removal.
We're seeing that show up in our performance. The second quarter is a strong demonstration of the team's increase Speed and Agility.
In addition, to the strong financial results, the team delivered a new Benchmark in on-time performance.
That's a clear signal that our customers are benefiting from the team's hard work and getting tangible value from our transformation.
At the same time, we're sharpening our operational discipline. We're also strengthening xylem growth engine.
For example, we recently added two high-value capabilities to our platform with the acquisitions of Vcom and Environments.
Theycom brings proprietary breakthrough, Solutions in zero liquid discharge, which offers compelling value, propositions to attractive industrial verticals, like micro electronics and energy,
Environment mix represents another enhancement to our Advanced treatment portfolio.
Operator: These moves reflect our intent to continue simplifying our business for performance and agility while we invest in the applications and end markets that will drive customer impact, profitable growth, and sustainable value creation. With that, Operator, let's go to your questions.
The company is a leader in non-mechanical mixing and biological process Solutions which enhances our ability to serve 1 of the fastest growing segments in water, Advanced nutrient removal.
These moves reflect our intent to continue simplifying. Our business for performance and Agility.
While we invest in the applications and and markets that will drive customer impact profitable growth and sustainable value creation.
With that operator, let's go to your questions.
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Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, good morning, everyone.
Our first question today comes from Mike howerin from beard. Please go ahead with your question.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Mike.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Hey, so first on the MCS order side of things, obviously good orders this quarter, good absolute dollar levels of orders. Maybe you can just give an update on how you think that outlook looks today. Where are we on the stocking side? What are your customers saying from a forward perspective? What the replacement piece looks like. And then lastly, any updated thoughts on when you think that book-to-bil contract towards one again?
Hey, good morning. Mike
Hey, so first on the MCS order side of things, obviously good orders. This quarter, good absolute dollar levels of orders.
Maybe you can just give an update on how you think that Outlook looks today where we have to be stocking side. Um, what are your customers saying from a, from a Ford perspective with the replacement piece looks like and then lastly
Any updated thoughts on when you think that book the bill can track towards 1 again?
Bill Grogan: Yeah, I'll start us out, Mike. You know, first, let me say that we feel our demand across the board has been really resilient, especially given the volatility globally. You know, probably the one exception there, Mike, I would say from a geographic standpoint would be China, which is a small portion of our business, and it's now low single digits. You know, if you had to look at one segment in the quarter, you know, I would say that WI being down two stands out, but you know, the book-to-bil was greater than one. And we did have a tough compare over last year. Last year, we were up high single digits in orders in Q2 for water infrastructure. We did see some delays in the UK, which is one of our top markets, is they're moving into their AMP cycle eight.
Has been really resilient, especially given the volatility globally, you know, probably the 1 except their mic. I would say from a geographic standpoint would be China.
Which is a small portion of our business and it's now low single digits.
Um you know, if you had to look at 1 segment in the quarter, you know, I would say that wi being down to stands out but you know the book to bill was was greater than 1 and we did have a tough compared over last year. Last year, we were up high single digits in orders in Q2 for for water infrastructure.
Bill Grogan: And that can be typical at the start of new AMP cycles. And also, we saw some delays in Canada with their change in government. So we expect those things to snap back in the second half. But you know, with the line of sight that we have for sure over the next 90 days, we feel that demand is pretty resilient across the board. And you know, we'll continue to monitor it and stay on top of it, you know, really to stay close to our customers.
Um, we did see some delays in the UK, which is 1 of our top markets is there, uh, moving into their, uh, amp cycle 8 and, um, that that can be typical at the start of new amp Cycles.
And um also we saw some uh delays in Canada with their uh their uh, change in government. So we expect those things to snap back in the second half.
But, you know, with the line of sight that we have, for sure, over the next 90 days, we feel that demand is pretty resilient across the board.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, Mike, and specifically to MCS, I think commercial demand remains extremely strong. You know, as we look at the back half of the year, I think we see a sequential improvement in orders. You know, we talked about MCS continues to work down its backlog to a more normalized historical level, right? It has been inflated for the last couple of years. And they're getting close to the $1.7 billion. You know, we have signaled that MCS will be back to book-to-bil positive as we close the year and we maintain that expectation.
And, uh, you know, we'll continue to monitor it and stay on top of it and, you know, really to stay close to our customers. Yeah. Mike then specifically to MCS, I think commercial demand remains extremely strong. Um, you know, as we look at the back half of the year, I think we see a sequential Improvement in orders. You know, we talked about MCS continues to work down its backlog to a more normalized historical level, right? It has been inflated for the for the last couple of years and they're getting close to the 1.7 billion dollars. Um, you know, we
We have single signal that MCS will be back to book to Bill positive as we uh close the year and we maintain that expectation.
Matthew Pine: Appreciate all that color there. And then lastly, maybe just an update on where you stand on the simplification side of things, how the rollout has gone in a couple of the areas you've put it in the front half of the year, and what the next steps are from here.
Good, appreciate all that color there. And then lastly um maybe just an update on where you stand on the simplification side of things um how the roll out has gone in a couple of the areas you put it in the front half of the year.
And what the next steps are from here.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, I'll start us out, and then I'll let Bill give some commentary, Mike. But you know, we're tracking ahead of the timeline that we laid out in February on our Q4 earnings call. So really proud of the team for leaning into the transformation. You know, I've been traveling quite a bit, really, since I became CEO. Just when you're going through a large-scale transformation like this, it's good to make sure you're getting at it and getting the pulse of the organization. And you know, I'd say our colleagues and our customers, you know, say the impact is real and they're feeling the change. So, you know, the teams are much more focused, you know, making decisions more quickly. And we're seeing, again, customer metrics improve, like on-time performance.
Yeah, I'll start us out and then I'll let Bill, give some commentary Mike. But, um, you know, we're tracking ahead of the time that we laid out in February on our Q4 earnings call. So really proud of the team for leaning into the transformation. You know, I've been traveling quite a bit really since I became CEO, just when you're going through a large scale transformation like this, it's good to make sure you get out and getting the, the pulse of the organization. And, you know, I'd say our colleagues and our customers, the, you know, say the impact is real and they're feeling the change. So, you know, the teams are much more focused.
Bill Grogan: You know, as we look at our eight customers, they're starting to grow at a higher rate and are raving fans. So, you know, one thing I'd point to also, Mike, we just wrapped up our long-range planning last week, and where we had our 16 new division GMs present their long-range plans for the first time in our new structure. And so I walked away very energized by the depth and level of detail and how we're, you know, in the review and how we're able to really drive focus and execution. And each division really understands their position in the company, whether that's, you know, a growth position, you know, kind of a transformation position, or, you know, continuing to maintain their execution in their division. So all in all, making good headway.
You know, making decisions more quickly and we're seeing again customer metrics improved, like, on-time performance. You know, as we look at our 8 customers, they're starting to grow at a higher rate and our raving fans. So, you know, 1 thing, I, I point to also Mike, we just wrapped up our our long range planning, uh, last week. And where we had our 16 new division GMS, uh, present their long range plans for the first time in our new structure. And so I walked away very energized by the depth and level of detail and how we're, you know, in the review and how we're able to
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, and maybe just from an 80%, you know, just if we look at specifically, you know, from an 80/20 perspective, you know, Matthew, I think he's talking about the overall simplification on org design, including 80/20. I'd say that, you know, from my perspective, it's really starting to take hold in the organization. You know, each quarter we take another step. You know, we've talked a lot about internally that 80/20 is not just a tool set, but a key element of how we want to run the businesses and embedding that in the culture. I think we're starting to get a better understanding of the power of simplification and the positive impacts it'll have across our key stakeholders. And I think we see an acceleration of learning as we roll the tool set out.
To really Drive, focus and execution, and each division really understands their position in the company and whether that's, you know, a growth position, you know, kind of a transformation position or, you know, continuing to maintain their, their execution and their, in their division. So all in all making good. Headway
Yeah, maybe just from the city, you know?
Unidentified Xylem Executive: You know, the dewatering business began its journey in the second quarter, so we now have all four segments that have pieces that are actively engaged in the tool set. So about 80% of the business has some stage of implementation. You know, for the most part, MCS, supplied water and water infrastructure are further along, and they've made solid progress on the implementation, just identifying their largest areas of complexities. And then they've redesigned their organizations to take significant costs out and look at kind of what the structural needs are to run their business. And you look at the margin improvement we've seen in applied water and water infrastructure, really the proof points of the potential we see across our businesses. Thanks, gentlemen. Really appreciate it.
Just if if we look at specifically, you know, from an 80/20 perspective, you know Matthew I think he's talking about the over overall simplification on org design including 8020. I I I'd say that you know from my perspective it's really starting to take hold in the organization, you know, each quarter we take another step. You know, we've talked a lot about internally that age 20 is not just a tool set, but a key element of how we want to run the businesses and embedding that in the culture. Um, I think we're starting to get a better understanding of the power of simplification and the positive impacts it'll have across our key stakeholders. Um and I I think we see an acceleration of learning as we roll the 2 tool set out the other dewatering business began its Journey uh in the second quarter. So we now have all 4 segments, that have pieces that are actively engaged in the tool set. So about 80% of the business has some stage of implementation. Um, you know, for the most part, MCS supplied, water water infrastructure are further along and they've made Solid progress. Um, uh, on on the implementation, just identifying their large,
Largest areas of complexities, um, and then they've redesigned their organizations to take significant costs out and look at kind of what the structural needs are to run their business. Um, and you look at the margin improving, we see in an applied water and water infrastructure. Really the proof points of the potential we see across our businesses.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Thanks gentlemen, really appreciate it.
Operator: Our next question comes from Andy Kafowicz from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.
Thank you.
Andy Kafowicz: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Our next question comes from Andy kaplitz from Citigroup. Please, go ahead with your question.
Matthew Pine: Morning, Andy.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Andy Kafowicz: So I just wanted to focus on applied water for a second. You know, you obviously had good orders and revenue growth. I think you mentioned driven by commercial buildings. And I think supposedly you've talked about having the highest headwind from 80/20 on applied water. So maybe you can give us a little more flavor into what's going on. You know, how does this also make you feel about, you know, affecting change with 80/20 and maybe not slowing down growth at Xylem?
Morning. Andy.
Bill Grogan: That's a good question. You know, first, I'd say I'm really proud of the applied water team. They've done a really nice job with 80/20, both in terms of margin, but also focusing on eight customers. You know, the tool is about not only simplifying, but it's about redeploying effort to focus on growth. So, you know, the growth tends to, you know, come second. But we're starting to see pockets or, you know, some green shoots of that as well. This business, Andy, has the most complexity within our portfolio and the most opportunity. So, you know, on the orders front, you know, this is a six, I think it's a sixth quarter in a row we're up in orders, which is a positive. I'd say it's a bit more weighted to develop markets.
It's on applied water for a second. Um, you know, you always had good orders and revenue growth. I think you mentioned driven by commercial buildings and I think supposedly you've talked about having the highest headwind from 80/20 on a plat water. So maybe you could give us a little more flavor into what's going on. You know, how does this also make you feel about, you know, affecting change with 80/20, and maybe not slowing down growth at xylum.
Bill Grogan: And, you know, it's across most of the portfolio, especially commercial buildings, to your point, and industrial. And, you know, on the revenue side, I would say that, you know, we've had really strong price execution here. Part of that is from the 80/20 tool. Part of it is we've just gotten, especially through our new structure, just more nimble and can make faster decisions. So when you look at the headwinds from tariffs, the teams were really able to get ahead of that. You know, we had a little, some, I would say, some very minor pull-ins from the second half to get ahead of tariffs in this segment, but nothing meaningful that would have any impact on the second half here. So, you know, maybe the last thing I'd say on revenue, we are walking away from volume, right?
That's a good question. Uh, you know, first I'd say I'm really proud of the applied water team. They've done a really nice job with 80/20 both in terms of margin but also focusing on a customers. You know, it's the tool is about, not only simplifying but it's about redeploying effort to focus on growth. So you know the growth tends to, you know, come second. Um, but we're starting to see pockets are, you know, some green shoots of that as well. This business Andy has the most complexity within our portfolio and the most opportunity. So, you know, on the orders front, you know, this is a 6, uh, I think it's a 6 quarter in a row, we're up in orders, which is a positive. Um, I'd say it's a bit more weighted to develop markets.
And, um, you know, it was a cross most of the portfolio, especially commercial buildings to your point and, uh, industrial. And, you know, on the revenue side, I would say that, um, you know, we've had really strong price execution here, part of that is from the 8020 tool. Part of it is, we've just gotten, especially through our new structure just more Nimble, it can make faster decisions. So when you look at the headwinds from
Bill Grogan: We talked about that as part of the tool set and part of our long-range outlook is we're going to walk away from volume. So the performance has been, you know, in line with what we expect, and simplifying the business will only help us continue to grow going forward.
Tariffs. The teams were really able to get ahead of that. Um, you know, we had a little, some I would say some very minor Pullins in from the second half to get ahead of tariffs and this segment, but none. Nothing meaningful. That would have any impact on the second half here. So, you know, maybe the last thing I'd say, on Revenue, we are walking away from volume, right? We, we talked about that is part of the tool set and part of our long range Outlook is we're going to walk away from volume. So,
Andy Kafowicz: Matt, that's helpful. And maybe just stepping back, maybe you talk about the dichotomy between developed and developing markets. I mean, you said the strength really is coming from developed. Anything sort of different going on in the two markets and cognizant of, you know, China continuing to be a bit of a headwind? Maybe you can talk about that. And I think you mentioned sort of delays in Canada and UK in treatment. Maybe just address that again.
The performance is been you know in line with what we expect and simplifying, the business will only help us continue to to grow going forward.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, so the delays were just, I mean, largely funding timing. I mean, the AMP cycles in the UK, they're going to double their investments over the next AMP cycle. So pretty significant. And it's just really a timing. And we see that pick up in the second half. The same with Canada with the change in the government. That's just pushed some of the traditional buy to the right. And we believe that'll pick back up in the second half as well, talking to folks on the ground there. And I was actually just in Toronto a couple of weeks ago, talking to some of our customers. So feel good that that will rebound.
Matt that's helpful and maybe just stepping back maybe you talk about the dichotomy between developed and developing markets. I mean you you said the strength really is coming from developed anything, sort of a different going on in the 2 and cognizant of you know China continue to be a bit of a headwind. Maybe you can talk about that and I think you mentioned sort of delays in Canada and UK and treatment, maybe just uh address that again.
Yeah, so the delays were Des. I mean, largely funding timing. I mean the amp cycle there, you know, in the UK they're going to double their Investments over the next amp cycle. So pretty significant and it's just really a timing it and we see that pick up in the second half the same with Canada with the change in the government. Um that's just pushed some of the traditional buy to the right. Um and we believe that will pick back up in the second half as well talking to uh folks on the ground there and I was actually just in Toronto a couple of weeks ago.
Bill Grogan: In terms of, you know, geography, you were asking me, maybe less specific to applied water, but in general, you know, I would say that would point to China as being probably the weak area for us. I think orders were down around 18% year over year. That would be the area that I'd call out outside developed markets. And, you know, I would say also the 80/20 tool, Andy, is forcing us to kind of rethink, do everything for everybody everywhere. And we're intentionally kind of walking away from different parts of our businesses, you know, outside of kind of developed markets where we've, you know, probably been not as effective.
Uh, talking to some of our customers. So, feel feel good that that will Rebound in terms of, you know, geography, we're asking me maybe less specific to applied water, but in general, you know, I would say that would point to China as being probably the weak area for us. I think orders were down around 18%, um, year-over-year. That would be the area that I'd call out outside developed markets.
Andy Kafowicz: Very helpful. Thanks, guys.
And, um, you know, I would say also the 8020 Tool, uh, Andy is forcing us to kind of rethink, do everything for everybody everywhere, and we're intentionally kind of walking away from different parts of our businesses. Um, you know, outside of uh kind of developed markets where we've, you know, probably been uh, not as effective.
Very helpful. Thanks guys.
Bill Grogan: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Dean Jay from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Thank you.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Our next question comes from Dean Dre from RBC Capital markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Matthew Pine: Morning, Dean.
Thank you. Good morning everyone.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Hey, can we put the spotlight on these two deals? Now, I know they're smaller, but just, you know, the M&A strategy on these niche types of applications that then you can, without a big cash outlay, drop into your portfolio of offerings and scale. So just the implications, and that would suggest really high returns on these, you know, smaller dollar amount deals. But just how does that fit into what you're seeing in the pipeline? And that'd be a big help. Thanks.
Morning, Dean.
Hey, can we put the spotlight on these 2 deals? Now I know they're smaller but just you know, the m&a strategy on these Nietzsche types of uh applications that then you can without a big cash. Outlay drop into your portfolio of offerings and scale, so just
Bill Grogan: Yeah, thanks, Dean. We do have a really healthy pipeline. I think I mentioned on last call that we really changed our M&A process and much more risk, much more bottoms up, which I think is helping really drive the funnel improvement and the velocity. You know, we talked a lot in our last Investor Day about areas that we're going to focus. One of those that we highlighted was advanced treatment, which these two fit into. And like you said, we're really excited about some of these technologies and smaller acquisitions that can scale over time, and we can kind of help them incubate and do that. So, you know, Vacom is a great solution around zero liquid discharge. It's becoming more and more important and imperative in areas like mining and microelectronics and food and beverage. And EnviroMix, a really great technology.
The, the implications and that would suggest really high Returns on these, you know, smaller dollar amount deals, but just how does that fit into the, um, what you're seeing in the pipeline and that'll be a big help. Thanks.
Yeah, thanks Dean. We we do have a, a really healthy pipeline. I think I mentioned um,
If we're going to focus 1 of those that we highlighted was Advanced treatment which these 2 fit into and like you said we we're really excited about some of these Technologies um in in smaller Acquisitions. That can scale over time and we can kind of help them incubate and do that. So, you know, vcom is a is a great solution around zero liquid discharge, uh, it's becoming more and more important and imperative and and uh, you know, areas like Mining and micro electronics and food and beverage.
Bill Grogan: Today, we use a lot of mixers, mechanical mixers, and this moves away from that and brings in a technology for us that uses air compression in bubbles. So, you know, another big area of improvement around nutrient removal. So we're excited about the technologies. We'll continue to do these, and we've got a lot of velocity in this area.
And um, environments are really great technology.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: And I think, Dean, to your point, these are strong return deals where I think there are significant synergies with our core business, not only from a cost perspective, but significant revenue uplift.
Um, today we use a lot of mixers mechanical mixers and this moves moves away from that and brings in a technology for us that uses are compression in bubbles. So um you know another big area of improvement around uh nutrient removal. So we're excited about the Technologies, we'll continue to do these and we've got a lot of a lot of velocity in this area.
Matthew Pine: Good. That's what I was looking for, Bill. And then second question on MCS. There's always some consternation about the energy meters, a non-smart water meter business. And it sounds and looks like there's some difference between some of the legacy energy meter projects versus some of the new ones that you've booked in terms of the returns. Can you just clarify that? Thanks.
And I think being too to your point, the these are strong return deals where I think there are significant synergies with our Core Business. Uh, not only from a cost perspective but significant Revenue uplift.
Good. That's, that's what I was looking for bill. Um, and then second question on MCS, there's always some concern Nation about the the energy meters, a non-smart water meter business and it sounds and looks like there's some difference between some of the Legacy, um, uh, energy meter projects.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, I would just say that, yeah, that's a great observation that, you know, we've introduced new technology in both the gas and electric side of our businesses, which has helped us get better, you know, margin improvement. And also, you know, be a leader in those spaces in terms of the technology that we're introducing in those meters. So, you know, we really like that part of the business. We have over probably 300 combination accounts where you have a water and a gas utility or a water and electric utility. And it really just drives, you know, a lot of scale for them when they can put it in a network and put multiple different utilities on the network. So, you know, that's going well.
Versus some of the new ones that you've booked, in terms of the returns. Can you just clarify that? Thanks.
Yeah I would I would just say that yeah that's a great observation that you know we've introduced new technology in both the gas and electric side of our businesses which has helped us get better, you know, margin Improvement and also you know be a leader in those spaces in terms of the technology that we're introducing in those meters. So you know, we really um like that part of the business. It we have over probably 300 combination accounts where you have a water and a gas utility, or a water and electric utility, and it really just drives, um, you know, a lot of scale for them when they can put it in a network and put multiple different utilities on the network. So,
Bill Grogan: And, you know, the last thing I would say on the electric side, that industry tends to be a leader in terms of AMI. And we learn a lot from being in that market that flows down into the water, into the gas side of our business in metrology.
Um, you know that's going well and you know, the last thing I would say on the electric side that industry tends to be a leader in terms of Ami, and we learn a lot from being in that market, that flows down into the water, into the gas side of our business in Metrology.
Matthew Pine: Great. Thank you.
Bill Grogan: Thank you.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Jacob Levinson from Melius Research. Please go ahead with your question.
Our next question comes from. Jacob levenson, from Melius research. Please, go ahead with your question.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Bill Grogan: Hey, good morning.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Hey, Jake.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Hey, good morning. Hey Jake.
Matthew Pine: Matthew, I think you mentioned you had a record on time delivery quarter here. I'm not sure what you're comfortable sharing, but can you give us some context around kind of where you've come since, I guess, since you became CEO and CEO? And where are you on that journey? And I'm sure you're benchmarking to some level, but just any color you can provide would be helpful.
Bill Grogan: No, thanks for the question. You know, that's a great output of the simplification that we're doing. And, you know, two metrics that I always look at in our CEO scorecard monthly is quality and on-time performance. Because if you have those two things, then you're probably doing pretty well as a company. And, you know, we've seen a marked improvement in our on-time performance since implementing 80/20. And, you know, transforming our structure is starting to help as well, just getting more focus. We've reduced, you know, a lot of complexity by simplifying our SKU counts, not only which in terms improves our ability to operate in our factories and drive down lead time, but also improves our working capital. And we had, you know, good working capital improvement in this quarter as well.
Uh, Matthew, I think you mentioned, you had a record on time delivery quarter here. I'm not sure what you're comfortable sharing, but can you give us some context around kind of where you've come since since? I guess since you became CEO, then CEO. And and where? Where are you on that journey? And I'm sure your benchmarking to, to some level, but just any any color, you can provide would be helpful.
No, thanks for the question. Um, you know, that's a great output of the simplification that we're doing. And you know, two metrics that I always look at in our CEO scorecard monthly are quality and on-time performance. Because if you have those two things, then you're probably doing pretty well as a company.
And, you know, we've seen a marked improvement in our on-time performance since implementing 80/20.
And um you know Transforming Our structure is starting to help as well just getting more focused. We reduced you know, a lot of complexity by simplifying, our SKU counts
Um what not only, which, in terms, improves our ability to operate in our factories.
Bill Grogan: So, you know, we've, you know, we're also tracking, you know, as a part of 80/20, our on-time performance to eight customers. We want to make sure we over-deliver there. And so that's a new metric that we're looking at. So all this, you know, to give you some numbers, in the month of June, we were up 600 basis points year over year on on-time performance. So year to date, we're close to 300. And, you know, I'd say that in pockets, we're getting close to best in class, but overall, as an organization, we still have some work to do. And I think, you know, just a continued focus on simplification and customers will get us there.
And drive down lead time but also improves our working capital and we had you know, good working capital Improvement in this quarter as well. So
You know, we've um, you know, we we're we're also tracking, you know, as a part of 80/20, our on-time performance to a customers, we want to make sure we over deliver there. And so that's a new metric that we're looking at. So all this, you know, to give you some numbers in the month of June, um, we were up 600 basis points. Year-over-year on on-time performance. So
Um, year to date. We're close to 300. And, you know, I'd say that in Pockets, were getting close to best-in-class, but overall, as an organization, we still have some work to do and I think, you know, just to continue to focus on simplification. We'll and customers will get us there.
Matthew Pine: That's helpful color. And just on a different topic, you've got a balance sheet at this point as you could argue under-levered. I know there's a lot of change going on within the organization that I'm sure would be challenging to juggle too many balls at once if you're thinking about M&A, for example. But just, I guess, how are you thinking about capital deployment period and, you know, really, as it relates to the M&A environment or buybacks for that matter?
Ah, that's helpful color and just done a on a different topic. You've got a balance sheet at this point as as uh, you could argue under lever and others. A lot of change going on within the organization uh that I'm sure would be challenging to to to juggle too many balls in 1. So if you're thinking about m&a, for example, but
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, no, I think we're still forward-leaning on the M&A side. Again, you know, we continue to look at assets that fit our strategy and then also have strong financial returns. You know, I think as we created a different process with the organization, we pushed some of the cultivation down to the segments. We've seen an increase in volume and quality of our funnel across the portfolio. But again, we're balancing things within the organization on transformation actions that we're taking across the portfolio and what those returns are going to be from an organization. And then looking at a high bar relative to things that are strategic that we want to invest in the three categories that we've highlighted multiple times and Matthew talked about a little bit earlier. So I think we have a really robust funnel. We're focused on it.
To them and I environment or BuyBacks for that matter.
Yeah, no, I think we're still forward-leaning on. Um,
Unidentified Xylem Executive: And the balance sheet will get levered when the time comes and these assets are actionable.
The m&a side again. You know, we continue to look uh at assets, that fit our strategy. Um, and then also have strong financial returns. You know, I think as we um, created a different process with the organization. Um, we pushed some of the cultivation down to the segments. We've seen an increase, um, in volume and quality of our funnel across the portfolio. Um but again to your we're we're balancing things within the organization on transformation actions that we're taking across the portfolio, uh and what those returns are going to be from an organization. Um and then looking at a high bar relative to things that are strategic that we want to um, invest in the 3 categories that we've highlighted uh, multiple times in in Matthew talked about a little bit earlier. So I think we have a really robust funnel. Uh, we're focused on it. Um, and, and the balance sheet will get levered. When the time, uh, comes in these, these assets are actionable.
Matthew Pine: All right, great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I'll pass it on.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Thank you.
All right. Great, thank you. I appreciate it and I'll pass it on.
Operator: Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.
Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Good morning, everyone.
Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from stifel please. Go ahead with your question.
Bill Grogan: Hey, good morning, Nate.
Good morning, everyone.
Matthew Pine: I guess I'm going to start with a question we get a lot from investors on municipal utility funding in the US. I'm sure you've heard this, but I'm going to ask it on the call just so you can address it directly. Investors are concerned that funding for utilities under the Trump administration is going to decline. You know, utilities were very well funded under the Biden administration with a bunch of those programs. There's cuts to EPA funding potentially rolling through state water funds. So just I'd love to get your perspective on that and what, if any, negative impacts you think that might have on your business.
Hey, good morning mate. Uh, I guess
I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna start with a question. We get a lot from investors on uh Municipal utility funding in the US.
Uh, I'm sure you've heard this but I'm going to ask it on the call just so you can address it directly investors. Uh, are concerned that uh, funding for utilities under the Trump Administration is going to decline, you know, utilities were very well funded under the Biden Administration with a bunch of those programs.
Bill Grogan: No, thanks for the question. Maybe I'll just start, you know, just to remind everybody that, you know, roughly about 75% of our demand is OPEX. And, you know, I would say that also infrastructure in the US is not getting any younger. And so this has to be replaced. You know, as a proxy, the first half, water infrastructure being the proxy, was up about mid-single digits. So I'd say it's been pretty resilient given the macro uncertainty. You know, it continues to be a watch item for us, but, you know, I would say we're not overly concerned at this time. But I will say that, you know, on SRF funding, state revolving fund funding, it only makes up 5% of MUNI budgets, about $3 billion historically. You know, obviously, we don't want to defund that because we're already woefully underspent on our infrastructure in the US.
Uh, there's cuts to EPA funding potentially rolling through, uh, state water funds. So just, I, I'd love to get your perspective on that. And, and what if any negative impacts, you think that might happen your business?
No, thanks for the question. Um maybe I'll just start you know, just to remind everybody that, you know, roughly about 75% of our demand is Opex
And, you know, I would say that also infrastructure in the US is not getting any younger.
And so, this has to be replaced; you know, as a proxy. The first half of water infrastructure, being the proxy, was up about mid single digits. So, I'd say it's been pretty resilient given the macro uncertainty.
You know, it continues to be a watch item for us. But you know, I would say I'm not we're not overly concerned at this time, but I will say that, you know, on S srf funding State revolving fund funding, it only makes up 5% of mun budgets.
Bill Grogan: But, you know, all signs are that Congress will appropriate money and get back to healthy SRF levels, even though there's been, you know, a lot of chatter about that not happening. So I think Congress will do that. And we should see SRF levels kind of back to kind of norms going forward.
Um, about 3 billion dollars historically um you know obviously we don't want to defund that because we're already woefully under spent on our infrastructure in the US.
Matthew Pine: Great. Thanks for that. And my follow-up is going to be on MCS. A couple of questions on that. You had seen customers looking to de-stock inventory on the water side in the first half, which I think you anticipated coming to an end about mid-year. Can you confirm that and that we should get improvements in mix in the second half? And then I think on the electric side, you're talking about more profitable business there. I think there'd been an anticipation of a replacement cycle for the electric meters that were put in 10 to 15 years ago starting up. Is that part of the contributing factor to improve profitability on electric? And then should we see that continue for the next few years as that replacement cycle progresses? Thanks.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Can I just say yes, Nate? I would say first, kind of our expectations for water meters have been right in line. You know, we said it'd be down in the first half and start to ramp in the second half. We see that, you know, with an exit rate back at kind of high single digits as we exit 2025 on the water side. On the energy side, yeah, there's significant growth driven by both gas and electric. I think the refresh cycle that you're talking about is kind of early stages and will evolve and be a big tailwind over the next couple of years. I think the profitability associated with both continues to improve. You know, Matthew highlighted just on the new projects on the gas side, margin improvement. And kudos to that team for going after price and continued operational efficiencies.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: The entire segment leveraging 80/20 to simplify the reduced product portfolio complexity and double down on their 80s products. So I think they're well positioned, you know, having both the energy and water assets together. You know, we highlighted just the benefits that we get from sharing the network provides a tailwind and learnings that we can spread across all three areas. So lots to be excited about that business going forward.
Product portfolio complexity and double down on their 80s products. So, uh, I think they're they're, well, positioned, you know, having both the energy and water, um, assets together. You know, we highlighted, just the benefits that we get from sharing the network, uh, provides a tailwind. And, and learnings that we can, um,
Matthew Pine: Good to hear. Thanks for taking my questions.
Spread across all 3 areas. So, lots to be excited about that business. Going forward.
Bill Grogan: Thanks, Nate.
Okay, thanks for taking my questions.
Operator: Our next question comes from Brian Lee from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead with your question.
Thanks Nate.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Hey guys, this is Tyler Bissett on from Brian. Thanks for taking our questions. You guys raised your revenue guidance. You also guided for strong adjusted EBITDA margins in 3Q and with less of a tariff impact expected. I was wondering if maintaining your full-year adjusted EBITDA margins is just accounting for some conservatism or some of those contingencies you mentioned in the back half of the year. Are there potential impacts you're assuming in 4Q?
All right, next question comes from Brian Lee. From Goldman Sachs, please. Go ahead with your question.
Hey guys, this is Tyler bacidin from Brian. Thanks for taking our questions.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, yeah, I think ultimately we highlighted there's a little bit of the dilutive nature of the tariffs, right? It's not the incrementals on that. You know, we're not making a significant amount of money. That's somewhere between 10 and 25 basis points of pressure on our year-over-year EBITDA margin expansion in the back half. So obviously, we continue to try to push for the top side on it. Again, we highlighted lots of progress on our simplification efforts. So the teams continue to progress, and we're just being cautious here as, you know, a lot of volatility still remains, and we'll see what happens in Q4.
Uh, you guys raised your Revenue guidance, you also got it for a strong adjusted, even a margins in 3Q. Uh, and with less of a tariff impact expected. I was wondering if maintaining your full year adjusted even in margins is just accounting for some conservatism or some of those contingencies. You mentioned in the back, half of the year. Are there potential impacts you're assuming in 4 q
Yeah, yeah, I I see.
Um, we we highlighted, there's a little bit of dilutive nature of the tariffs, right? It's not uh, the incremental is on on that, you know, we're not making a significant amount of money that's somewhere between 10 and 25 basis points of of pressure on our year-over-year, I bit of margin expansion in the back half. So obviously we continue to try to push for the top side on it again. We highlighted uh lots of progress on our simplification efforts. Um,
So, we're we're the teams continue to progress and we're just being cautious here as, um, you know, a lot of volatility Still Remains and uh, we'll see what happens in Q4.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Great, thank you. And you raised your assumptions for corporate expenses this year by 10 to 15 million. Anything in particular driving that increase? It's just that M&A you mentioned or anything else?
Bill Grogan: No, I think it's a combination of FX and variable comp relative to the stronger results.
Great. Thank you. And uh, you raised your assumptions for corporate expenses, this year by 10 to 15 million. Uh, anything in particular, driving that increase is just that m&a mentioned or anything else.
No, I think it's a combination of FX and variable comp relative to the stronger results.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Perfect, thank you.
Bill Grogan: Thank you.
Perfect, thank you.
Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Mark Strauss from JP Morgan. Please go ahead with your question.
Our next question comes from Mark Strauss from JP Morgan, please. Go ahead with your question.
Matthew Pine: Yes, good morning. Thank you very much for taking our questions. I think at this point, most of them have been asked. I wanted to follow up with a couple of margin questions if I could. First on MCS. Can you talk about the margin drag that you're seeing from that, the legacy energy business that is in your backlog? And as that gets burned off the next couple of quarters, how we should think about kind of EBITDA margins overall for MCS as that occurs?
Uh, yes, good morning. Thanks very much for taking our questions. Um, I I think at this point, most of them have been asked. Um, I I wanted to follow up with a couple margin questions if I could first on MCs.
Uh, can you talk about the the the margin drag that you're seeing from that, uh, the Legacy energy business that is in your backlog. Uh, and, and as that gets burned off the next couple of quarters, uh, how we should think about, uh, kind of uh, EBA margins. Um, uh, overall for MCS as that occurs
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, so I think we talked about the three factors. You know, one of those was some of the lower margin legacy projects. Some of that pushed a little bit to the right relative to us having to go back and try to negotiate additional pricing relative to the tariffs. So that we'll put a little bit of pressure on sequential margins in the third quarter. You know, I'd say 50 to 100 basis points in that kind of ballpark. And then MCS sequentially improve, and we'll improve in both quarters year over year, but sequentially improve for Q4.
Matthew Pine: Okay. And then on the applied water side, just the over 400 basis points expansion that you saw year over year, just any, I'm sorry if I missed it, but any kind of one-timers in there, how we should think about that kind of sustainably going forward. Thank you.
Yeah, so so I I think we we talked about the the 3 factors, you know, 1 of those was some of the the lower margin Legacy projects, some of that pushed a little bit to the right relative to us having to go back and try to negotiate additional pricing relative to the tariffs. So that we'll we'll put a little bit of pressure on sequential margins in the third quarter. Um, you know, I'd say 50 to 100 basis points, um, and that kind of Ballpark and then MCS, uh, sequentially improve in your and will improve in both quarters year-over-year, but, sequentially improve. For Q4.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Yeah, no, I don't think any one-timers. You know, for me, there's an element of about two-thirds of that is, you know, the significant traction they made on 80/20 and then positive price cost. You know, Matthew highlighted there was a little bit of pull ahead on some volume. So they'll sequentially go down a little bit in the third quarter. So there'll be some under-absorption. So I think their expansion won't be as great, but it'll still be really robust on a year-over-year basis.
Okay. And then on the the applied water sign as the the over 400 basis points expansion that you saw year-over-year. Uh just any, I'm sorry if I missed it, but any kind of 1 timers in there, how we should think about that, kind of sustainably going forward, thank you.
Yeah. No, I don't think any any 1- timers. Um, you know, for me there's an element of about 2/3 of that of, that is, you know, the significant traction they made on 80/20, um, and then positive price costs, you may have athlete highlighted, there was a little bit of pull ahead on on some volume, so they'll sequentially go down a little bit in the third quarter, so there'll be some under absorption. So I think the, their expansion will be as great but it'll still be really robust on a year-over-year basis.
Matthew Pine: Thank you very much.
Unidentified Xylem Executive: Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Operator: Our next question comes from Andrew Buscaglia from BMP Parabol. Please go ahead with your question.
Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, everyone.
Our next question comes from Andrew buscaglia from BMP paraba, please go ahead with your question.
Bill Grogan: Good morning.
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Matthew Pine: So, you know, nice corner in Evoqua or, excuse me, Water Solutions rather for orders and growth. I'm wondering on the order side, you know, those are picking up and you're seeing it more on services. And I know the business can be lumpy. What are you seeing on the capital equipment side and how have tariffs impacted that?
Good morning.
Um so you know a nice quarter in uh Coca or um excuse me Water Solutions rather. Um,
For orders and growth.
I'm wondering on the order side you you know, those are picking up and you're seeing more on services and I know that business can be lumpy. What what what are you seeing on that Capital Equipment side and and how tariffs impacted that?
Unidentified Xylem Executive: No, I think, you know, WSS overall is positioned for another strong year of growth as it leverages the synergies with the combined portfolio. And it does have significant strength with the outsourced water projects across several of their end markets, you know, energy being one of them. They've also seen significant growth.Their
Matthew Pine: utility services business, which is a combination of the legacy municipal services business from Evoqua and the assessment services business in Legacy's Xylem. And to be honest, I give Rodney and team a lot of credit for the improvements they've made in that section of the business. They've turned it around in a very short period of time. But again, they've got a significant funnel of their outsourced water projects. Like you said, projects can be lumpy. That's why we're not overly concerned with their book-to-build being less than one. It's timing some projects that have already filtered in here in the third quarter. So their capital business is a real shining point of growth within the portfolio.
Being 1 of them. Um, they've also seen significant growth in their utility uh, Services business which is a combination of the Legacy Municipal Services business from a Voca and the uh, Assessment Services business in, um, legacies Asylum. And, and to be honest, I give, you know, Rodney and team a lot of credit for the improvements they've made in that section of the business. Um,
they've turned it around in a very short period of time, but um, again, they've got a significant funnel uh, of their outsourced, uh, water projects, um, like you said,
Operator: Yeah, OK. OK, and then one of your larger water peers is talking a little bit more about data centers as a demand driver. I'm wondering, just an update there. I know it's small for you, but anything incremental you're seeing in the last three, six months?
Projects can be lumpy. That's why we're not overly concerned with, um, their book to build being less than 1, you know. It's time to get some projects that have already filtered in here in the um, third quarter. So uh, their Capital business is uh, is a real shining point of growth within the the portfolio.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay. And then um, you know, 1 of your larger water peers is talking a little bit more about uh, data centers as a demand driver wondering, you know, just an update there. I know it's small for you. But um anything incrementally you're seeing in in the last 3, 6 months.
Matthew Pine: I wouldn't call it anything meaningful. It would probably show up more in our applied water business with heat exchangers and pumps. Although we have seen a little bit of an uptick in our water solutions and services business, where in some cases, believe it or not, data centers can't get municipal water, and they're bringing in surface water. And so we're seeing more and more of a need to filter that water before it gets into the data center. I think you'll actually see that trend continue as municipalities get stressed. Data centers take about 50, what is it? It represents about 50,000 people in terms of a population. And it's about 5 million gallons of water a day that they're using. So I don't think people really appreciate that. I think people talk a lot about the energy side of data centers.
I, I wouldn't call it anything meaningful. It would probably show up more in our, um, applied Water Business, uh, with heat exchangers and and pumps. Although we have seen a little bit of an uptick in our water solutions and services business where
In some cases, believe it or not. Um, data centers, can't get Municipal Water and they're bringing in surface water. And so we're seeing more and more of a need um, to filter that water before it gets into the data center.
Um, I think you'll actually see that trend continue as municipalities get stressed.
Data centers. Um take about uh 50 what is it? Uh it represents about 50,000 people.
Matthew Pine: But I would say that we've all got to put a watchful eye towards the water side of the energy transformation that we're going through.
Operator: Do you think this will be a real meaningful driver, a multi-year driver?
In terms of a population and it's about 5 million gallons of water a day that they're using. So, um, I don't think people really appreciate that. I think people talk a lot about the energy side of data centers, but I would say that we've all got to put a watchful eye towards the water side of of the energy uh transformation that we're, we're going through.
Do you think this will be a real meaningful driver?
Matthew Pine: I think in the next one year, probably not so much. But as we look out in the next three to five years, and you look at the stresses that we're seeing across different parts of the world, and right here in the US on water, absolutely, it's going to be more and more of an issue. And so water reuse will become really important.
Operator: Yeah, OK. Thank you.
You know multi-year driver I I think I think in the next you know 1 year probably not so much but as we look out in the next 3 to 5 years um and you look at the stresses that we're seeing across different parts of the world and and here right here in the US on water. Absolutely. It's going to be more and more of an issue and so water reuse will become really important.
Yeah. Okay.
Matthew Pine: Thank you. Thanks for the questions.
Thank you. Thanks for the questions.
Rachel Smith: And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we're going to be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference call back over to Matthew Pine for any closing remarks.
And ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we are going to be ending today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference call back over to Matthew Pine for any closing remarks.
Matthew Pine: Thanks a lot. We'll just wrap it up there. Thanks for your questions, and thanks to everybody who joined the call today, especially our colleagues. Many of them dialed into the call. And we appreciate your interest and support. All the best.
Thanks a lot. We'll just wrap it up there. Thanks for your questions and thanks to everybody who had uh, joined the call today especially our colleagues. Many of them dial into the call.
And uh, we appreciate your interest and support all the best.
Rachel Smith: Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We do thank you for joining. You may now disconnect your lines.
Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll conclude today's conference call and presentation. We do thank you for joining, you may now disconnect your lines.