Q1 2026 Arm Holdings PLC Earnings Call
Sharon: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ARM First Quarter Fiscal Year 2026 webcast and conference call. At this time, all participants are in the listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one and one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one and one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to our first speaker today, Jeff Kvaal, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the armed first quarter, fiscal year, 2026 webcast and conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session to ask a question during the session. You will need to press star 1 and 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message. Advising your hand is raised to withdraw your question. Please press star 1 and 1 again, please be advised that today's conference is being recorded.
Jason Child: Thank you very much, Sharon, and welcome everyone. This is our first earnings call of Fiscal Year 2026. On the call today are Rene Haas, ARM's Chief Executive Officer, and Jason Child, ARM's Chief Financial Officer. During the call, ARM will discuss forecasts, targets, and other forward-looking information regarding the company and its financial results. While these statements represent our best current judgment about future results and performance, our actual results are subject to many risks and uncertainties that could cause results to differ materially. In addition to any risks that we highlight during this call, important risk factors that may affect our future results and performance are described in our registration statement on Form 20-F filed with the SEC. ARM assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We will refer to non-GAAP financial measures during the discussion.
I would now like to turn the conference over to your first Speaker today. Vice president investor relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much. Sharon and welcome everyone. This is our first earnings call of fiscal year 2026 on the call. Today of Renee hos arms chief executive officer and Jason child arms Chief Financial Officer during the call arm will discuss forecasts targets and other forward-looking information regarding the company and its Financial results.
While these statements represent our best current judgement about future results and performance. Our actual results are subject to many risks and uncertainties, that could cause results to differ materially.
In addition to any risks that we highlight during this call important risk factors. That may affect our future results and performance are described in our registration statement on form 20f filed with the SEC.
Or I'm assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Jason Child: Reconciliations of certain of these non-GAAP financial measures to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our shareholder letter, as can a discussion of certain projected non-GAAP financial measures that we are not able to reconcile without unreasonable effort and supplemental financial information. The shareholder letter and other earnings-related materials are available on our website at investors.arm.com. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Rene. Rene.
We will refer to non-gaap financial measures during the discussion. Reconciliations of certain of these non-gaap Financial measures to their most directly comparable. Gaap Financial measures can be found in our shareholder letter as Canada discussion of certain, projected non-gaap Financial measures that we are not able to reconcile without unreasonable effort and supplemental financial information.
Rene Haas: Thank you, Jeff, and welcome, everyone. We began Fiscal Year 2026 with strong momentum, fueled by the insatiable compute demands of AI. From smart sensors in homes and factories to the world's most advanced AI supercomputers, AI workloads are being deployed everywhere. This is driving unprecedented demand for compute that's not only performant but also energy efficient. And ARM is the only compute platform built to deliver AI performance across the full spectrum of power and performance, from milliwatts to megawatts. As a result, Q1 was our highest revenue quarter, second highest revenue quarter at $1.05 billion. Royalty revenue reached $585 million, up 25% year on year, with strong momentum across all of our end markets. Licensing revenue was $468 million, as companies continued to make ARM the AI platform of choice. Custom silicon on ARM is driving unmatched AI scale in the cloud.
To shareholder letter and other earnings related materials are available on our website at investors.com. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Renee Renee.
Thank you, Jeff, and welcome, everyone.
We began fiscal year 2026 with strong momentum fueled by the insatiable compute demands of AI.
From smart sensors and homes to factories and the world's most advanced AI, supercomputer AI workloads are being deployed everywhere.
This is driving. Unprecedented demand for compute, that's not only performance but also energy efficient.
And our Pharmacy only compute platform built to deliver AI performance across the full spectrum of power and performance.
From Mill watts to megawatts.
As a result, Q1 was our highest revenue quarter, with the second highest revenue quarter at $1.05 billion.
Royalty revenue reached $585 million, up 25% year-on-year, with strong momentum across all of our end markets.
Licensing revenue is 468 million as companies continue to make RM the AI platform of choice.
Rene Haas: More than 70,000 enterprises now run AI workloads on ARM Neoverse data center chips, a 40% increase year on year, and a 14x surge since 2021. ARM Neoverse CPUs now power the most important AI infrastructure in the world, including NVIDIA Grace, AWS Graviton, Google Axion, and Microsoft Cobalt, among others. Driven by a performant and efficient compute, for example, NVIDIA Grace Blackwell is 25 times more energy efficient than the previous x86-based system. We expect the market share of ARM Neoverse-based chips to top hyperscalers to reach nearly 50% this year. We are also seeing AI moving to the edge, where the need for local, real-time intelligence is enabled by ARM's efficiency and scale.
Custom silicon on RM is driving. Unmatched, AI scale in the cloud.
More than 70,000 Enterprises. Now, run AI workloads on arm neoverse data center, chips.
A 40% increase year on year and a 14x surge since 2021.
Arm new over CPUs. Now power, the most important AI infrastructure in the world including Nvidia Grace.
AWS graviton.
Google Axion and Microsoft Cobalt among others.
Driven by our performance and efficient compute. For example, Nvidia Grace Blackwell is 25 times more energy efficient in the previous x86 base system.
We expect the market share of army of a space chips.
To top hyperscalers to reach nearly 50% this year.
Rene Haas: Our compute platform delivers a unique combination of AI performance acceleration and energy efficiency, including the Ethos U85 NPU for enhanced image recognition, and our v9 CPUs with scalable matrix extensions for accelerating language models, which can boost the performance of these models while limiting power and latency overhead. Technology leaders, including Apple, Samsung, and MediaTek, are integrating these AI capabilities for faster, more efficient AI on premium smartphones. AI workloads are going local, and ARM is making it possible. Our leadership in AI is amplified by our unmatched software developer ecosystem. Over 22 million developers, more than 80% of the global base, build on ARM. This ecosystem is a powerful flywheel. More developers means more for software availability, which in turn drives more demand for our compute platform across every market. Our compute subsystems, CSS, are helping customers move faster, and the demand has exceeded our expectations.
We are also seeing AI moving to the edge, where the need for local, real-time intelligence is enabled by ARM's efficiency and scale.
Our compute platform, delivers a unique combination of our performance acceleration and Energy Efficiency, including the ethos u85 npu.
For an enhanced image recognition.
Extensions for accelerating language models, which can boost performance of these models while limiting power and latency overhead.
Technology leaders, including Apple. Samsung and mediatek are integrating these AI capabilities for faster, more efficient, AI on premium smartphones,
AI workloads are going local and arm is making it possible.
Our leadership in AI is amplified by our unmatched software developer ecosystem.
Over 22 million developers more than 80% of the global base build on our arm.
This ecosystem is a powerful flywheel more. Developers means more for software, availability, which in turn drives more demand for our compute platform across every Market.
Our compute, subsystems CSS are helping customers move faster.
Rene Haas: Our first generation of CSS is now in market with five customers and is delivering double the royalty of ARM v9. We signed three additional CSS licenses this quarter with existing CSS customers, including two for the data center and one for PCs, more than doubling our CSS licenses from a year ago. Recently, Xiaomi launched the X-Ring Zero One, and Samsung launched the Galaxy Flip 7 using the Exynos 2500, both based on the latest ARM compute subsystem platform. These subsequent generations of our CSS platforms deliver even greater value, functionality, and time to market, and bring the highest royalty rates we have seen to date. This includes the launch of Xena CSS, a platform optimized for AI-driven automotive workloads like autonomous driving.
And the demand has exceeded our expectations.
Our first generation of CSS is now in Market with 5, customers and is delivering double the royalty of arm. V9
We signed 3 additional CSS licenses this quarter with existing CSS customers including 2 for the data center and 1 for PCs, more than doubling our CSS. Licenses from a year ago
Recently, Xiaomi launched the X-Ring 01, and Samsung launched the Galaxy Flip 7, which is using the Exynos 2500, both based on the latest ARM Compute Subsystem platform.
These subsequent generations of our CSS platforms deliver, even greater value, functionality, and time to Market and bring the highest royalty rates. We have seen to date.
Rene Haas: Also in the quarter, a major smartphone OEM is committed to our GPU platform to accelerate graphics and AI in multiple generations of their flagship smartphones through 2030. Our business relationship with SoftBank has expanded to help them build towards their greater, broader AI vision. We are continuing to explore the possibility of moving beyond our current platform into additional compute to subsystems, chiplets, and potentially full-end solutions. To ensure that these opportunities are executed successfully, we have accelerated the investment into our R&D. These investments include expanding engineering delivery across multiple levels, adding to the already significant product investments we have made to date. Momentum behind the broad CSS adoption and increased demand for AI compute on ARM are driving a powerful growth trajectory for the company. And with that, I'll hand over to Jason.
This includes the launch of Xena CSS, a platform optimized for AI-driven automotive workloads like autonomous driving.
Also in the quarter, a major smartphone OEM has committed to our GPU platform to accelerate graphics and AI in multiple generations of their flagship smartphones through 2030.
Our business relationship with SoftBank has expanded to help them build towards their greater, broader AI vision.
We are continuing to explore the possibility of moving beyond our current platform into additional compute to subsystems chiplets and potentially full in Solutions.
To ensure these opportunities are executed successfully, we have accelerated the investment into our R&D.
These Investments include expanding engineering delivery across multiple levels.
Adding to the already significant product Investments, we have made to date.
Momentum behind the broad CSS adoption and increased demand for AI compute and Arm are driving a powerful growth trajectory for the company.
And with that, I'll hand over to Jason.
Jason Child: Thank you, Rene. We've started Fiscal Year 2026 with another strong quarter. Total revenue of $1.05 billion was our second successive quarter, over $1 billion, our best Q1 ever, and above the midpoint of our guidance range. Royalty revenue grew 25% year on year to a Q1 record of $585 million. Royalty revenue is growing across all target end markets, including smartphones, data center, automotive, and IoT. Smartphones grew an order of magnitude faster than the market, given continued uptake of flagship smartphones based on ARM v9 and CSS. Licensing and other revenue decreased 1% year on year, as expected, following a very strong Q1 of FYE '25. Rene mentioned our progress with three new CSS deals. What is unique about these deals is that we closed on our first three opportunities to upgrade existing CSS customers into next-generation platforms.
Thank you, Renee.
We've started fiscal year 2026 with another strong quarter, total revenue of 1.05 billion was our second successive quarter over 1 billion, our best key 1, ever, and above the midpoint of our guidance range.
Royalty Revenue, grew 25% year-on-year to a q1 record of 585 million dollars.
Royalty revenue is growing across all target markets, including smartphones, data centers, automotive, and IoT.
Smartphones grew an order of magnitude faster than the market given continued, uptake of Flagship smartphones based on armed B9 and CSS.
Licensing and other revenue decreased 1% year on year, as expected, following a very strong Q1 of FYE 25.
Jason Child: Our next-generation CSS platforms deliver even greater value, functionality, and time to market, and bring the highest royalty rates we have seen to date. This gives us confidence into further investment in the platform. Also contributing to our license revenue, ACV and RPO growth, was a multigenerational GPU deal with the leading smartphone OEM. And SoftBank expanded its IP licensing and design services agreements with us. Licensing revenue varies quarter to quarter due to normal fluctuations in timing and size of multiple high-value license agreements and contributions from backlog. As always, we recommend that you look at annualized contract value, or ACV, to best understand the underlying licensing growth rate. ACV in Q1 was up 28% year on year.
Renee mentioned our progress with 3 new CSS deals. What is unique about? These deals is that we closed on our first 3 opportunities to upgrade existing CSS customers into next Generation platforms.
Our next-generation CSS platform is delivered, providing even greater value, functionality, and time to market, and bringing the highest royalty rates we have seen to date.
This gives us confidence in further investment in the platform.
Also contributing to our license Revenue, ACV, and RPO growth where a multi-generational GPU deal.
with the leading smartphone OEM
And South Bank, expanded is IP licensing and Design Services agreements with us.
Licensing, Revenue, varies quarter to quarter due to normal fluctuations in timing and size of multiple high value license agreements.
And contributions from backlog.
As always, we recommend that you look at annualised Contract, value or ACV to best understand the underlying licensing growth rate.
Jason Child: This is well above the high end of our recent run rate of low teens and our long-term expectation of mid to high single-digit license growth, in part given the new licensing deals I mentioned. We have not changed our long-term view of licensing growth of mid to high single digits. Remaining performance obligations, or RPO, was flat sequentially as the new licensing deals offset revenue we recognize from licenses signed in prior quarters. As you know, ARM's revenues today come from technology developed years or even decades ago, and our costs today are investments for future revenue streams. In the first quarter, R&D spending led our non-GAAP operating expenses to $619 million. Operating expenses were slightly lower than expected, as the timing of some expenses will now fall into Q2 of fiscal '26.
ACB and q1 was up 28% year on year.
This is well above the high end of our recent run rate of low teens and our long-term expectations of mid to high single-digit license growth in part given the new licensing deals. I mentioned
A single digits.
Remaining performance obligations or RPO was flat sequentially. As the new licensing. Deals, offset, Revenue, we recognized from licenses signed in Prior quarters.
As you know, arms revenues today come from technology developed years or even decades ago and our cost today are investments for future revenue streams.
in the first quarter R&D spending LED, our non-gaap operating expenses to 619 million,
Jason Child: The CSS royalty rate increases that we've outlined are one example of the return from previous R&D expense. This translated to $412 million of non-GAAP operating profit and non-GAAP EPS of $0.35, which was above the midpoint of our guidance range, inclusive of a $0.01 FX headwind. Let me spend a moment on the current tariff and macro climate. We continue to expect a limited direct impact on our royalty and licensing revenues, given current conditions. We have less visibility into the indirect impact on end demand. The continued uncertainty reduces near-term visibility on royalty revenue. In licensing, customers have historically invested through near-term slowdowns, given lengthy chip development timelines. Turning now to guidance. Our guidance reflects our current view of our end markets and our licensing pipeline. For Q2, we expect revenue between $1.01 and $1.11 billion.
Operating expenses were slightly lower than expected, as the timing of some expenses will now fall into Q2 of fiscal 2026.
the CSS royalty rate increases that we outlined that we've outlined our 1 example, of the return from previous R&D expense,
this translated to 412 million of non-gaap operating profit and non-gaap EPS of 35 cents, which was above the midpoint of our guidance range. Inclusive of a 1 cent FX headwind
Let me spend a moment on the current tariff for macro climate.
We continue to expect a limited direct impact on our royalty and Licensing revenues. Given for our conditions.
We have less visibility into the indirect impact on in demand.
The continued uncertainty reduces near-term. Visibility on royalty Revenue.
In licensing. Customers have historically invested through near-term slowdowns given lengthy chip development timelines.
Turning now to guidance.
Our guidance reflects our current view of our end markets and our licensing pipeline.
Jason Child: At the midpoint, this represents revenue growth of about 25% year on year. We expect both royalties and licensing to be about flat sequentially. Consistent with Q1, we are accelerating investments in our next generation of technologies. We expect our Q2 non-GAAP operating expense to be approximately $655 million. This includes the impact of the Q1 expenses that will now fall into Q2 plus FX. We expect non-GAAP EPS to be in the range of $0.29 to $0.37. We have high confidence in healthy growth in the coming year and in years to come. Our confidence stems from our visibility into customer design pipeline, contracted royalty rate, rising demand for custom silicon, and AI from cloud to the edge. We expect to continue pressing our advantage by investing aggressively in R&D to support our customers and partners, capture our opportunities, and ensure AI runs on ARM.
For Q2, we expect revenue between 1.01 and 1.11 billion dollars.
At the midpoint, this represents Revenue growth of about 25% year-on-year.
We expect both royalties and Licensing to be about flat sequentially.
Consistent with q1, we are accelerating investments in our next generation of Technologies. We expect our Q2, non-gaap operating expense to be approximately 655 million.
This includes the impact of the q1 expenses that will now fall into Q2 plus FX.
We expect non-GAAP BPS to be in the range of $0.29 to $0.37.
we have high confidence in Healthy Growth, in the coming year and in years to come,
Jason Child: With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for the Q&A portion of the call.
Our competence stems from our visibility into customer design pipelines. Contracted royalty rates. Rise in demand for custom silicon and AI from Cloud to the edge. We expect to continue pressing our advantage, by investing in R&D to support our customers and partners capture our opportunities and ensure AI runs on our
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Speaker 4: Great. Good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Rene, you mentioned in your script expanding and moving into full-end solutions. And when we look out there in the market, a lot of reports that ARM is potentially entering into things like the ASIC market with partners, which in itself is a lot of execution risk for ARM. And also you mentioned why you guys think you would be successful in such a market when others are struggling. So I guess my question is, is there anything that you can share with us today around kind of ARM strategy in ASICs or moving to these full-end solutions? Thank you.
Jason Child: Thank you for the question. Yes, you're right. I have nothing to specifically announce today. What can I say, however, further integration has been the direction of travel for our companies. One of the things that we're seeing with newer customers, such as CSPs and OEMs, and also even traditional customers, has asked for a better starting point as they develop their SoCs. And this is largely driven by the complexity of these chips and the time it takes to develop them. This led us to CSS, our compute subsystem, which, as I mentioned and Jason mentioned, have been successful beyond our expectations. Many of the chiplets that are being developed are mostly ARM IP, and we already support chiplet development through our ARM Total Design ecosystem. And with that, we're looking now at the viability of moving beyond the current platform to additional subsystems, chiplets, or possibly full solutions.
Great. Good afternoon and thanks for taking my question. Um, Renee you, you mentioned in your script expanding and moving into a full in Solutions. And when we look out there in the market, a lot of reports, um, that arms potentially entering into things like the Asic Market, uh, with Partners which, you know, itself is a lot of execution risk for, for, for arm. And also know your question. Why you guys think you would be successful in such a market when others are struggling? So I guess my question is uh is there anything that you can share with us today around kind of arms strategy in A6 um or moving please pull in Solutions. Thank you.
Thank you for the, thank you for the question. Um, yes, you're, you're, you're right. I have nothing to, uh, specifically announced today, uh, what what can I say? However,
Uh, further integration has been the direction of travel uh for our companies. Um, 1 of the things that we're seeing with newer customers such as csps and oems. Uh, and also, even traditional customers has asked for a better starting point as they develop their soc's, um, and this is largely driven by the complexity of these chips, and the time, it takes to develop them.
this led us to, uh, to CSS or compute subsystem which
As I mentioned, the Jason mentioned have been uh, successful beyond our expectations.
Many of the chiplets that are being developed uh are mostly rip and we already support simple development through our armed total design ecosystem.
Jason Child: Now, inside a company, we have either insight or access to all the expertise and technologies we would need to design, implement, and have a chiplet, for example, manufactured. Personally, I appreciate the complexity of this, having lived this in multiple semiconductor companies in my career. And amongst the leadership team, we also have comprehensive experience in this area. So when we look at what's going on inside the market today, both in terms of the direction of travel of delivering complex chips, and ARM being the only compute platform that can provide a solution from the smallest devices to the largest data centers, milliwatts to megawatts, we're in a very unique space to provide solutions in a way that no one else can. And as a result, we're looking deeply at those possibilities.
And with that, we're looking now at the viability of moving beyond, the current platform to additional subsystems chiplets or possibly full Solutions.
inside a company, we have either inside or access to all the expertise and Technologies, we would need to design Implement and have a chiplet for example, manufactured
Personally, I appreciate the complexity of this, having lived this in multiple semiconductor companies in my career and among the leadership team. We also have comprehensive experience in this area.
So when we look at what's going on inside the market today, both in terms of the direction of travel of delivering complex chips.
And ARM, being the only compute platform that can provide a solution from the smallest devices to the largest data centers, milliwatts to megawatts, we're in a very unique space to provide solutions in a way that no one else can. As a result, we're looking deeply at those possibilities.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Vivek Aiya from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
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Our next question comes from the line of VC IA from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my question. On the royalty side, it grew 25%. I think last quarter you had suggested 25% to 30%. So just which end market drove a little bit of that delta versus your expectation? And then I think you had also suggested that royalties could grow 10% to 15% sequentially in Q3 and Q4 also of this year. Is that still kind of the trend line we should be expecting? Thank you.
Uh, thanks for taking my question, on the royalty side. Um, it grew 25%. Uh I think the last quarter you were suggested 25 uh to 30. So just which end Market uh, drove a little bit of that Delta versus your, um, expectation. And then, um, I think you would also suggested that, uh, uh, royalties could grow 10 to 15% sequentially in Q3. And Q4 also of this year, is that still kind of the trend line? We should be expecting. Thank you.
Jason Child: Hi, Vivek. This is Jason. I'll take that. So on the royalties in the quarter, yeah, you know we came in very close to our forecast, you know within a percent or so. You know however, I think we talked last quarter about a little bit of a range. And I would say we were in the lower end of that range. And I don't know if I'd say there's weakness, but maybe the growth wasn't quite as strong in the smartphone sector as maybe we'd expected. You know as mentioned in the call, we still grew an order of magnitude faster than the market. But the market was in the low single digits kind of growth rate. And I think that was a little bit slower than folks expected. In terms of the forecast for the rest of the year, I don't expect too much difference.
Jason Child: Maybe this kind of smartphone impact we'll have to keep an eye on to see as we go later in the year. But overall, I expect royalties to be pretty close to where we were from the previous quarter.
IC. This is Jason. I'll take that. So on the, uh, royalties in the quarter. Um, yeah, you know, we we came in very close to our forecast, you know, within a percent or so, um, you know, however, I, I think we talked last quarter about a little bit of a range and, uh, I would say we were, uh, in the lower end of that range. And I don't know if I'd say there's weakness, but maybe the growth wasn't quite as strong in the smartphone sector, as maybe we'd expected. Uh, you know, as mentioned in the call, we we still grew in order of magnitude faster than the market, uh, but the market was, was, you know, in the low single digits, uh, kind of growth rate. And, and I think that was a little bit slower than folks expected, uh, in terms of the forecast, uh, for the rest of the year. Um, I don't expect, uh, too much difference. Um, maybe this this kind of smartphone, uh, impact will have to to keep an eye on, uh, to see as we go. Go later in the year, but, but overall, I expect royalties to be pretty.
Pretty close to where we were, uh, from the previous quarter.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jay Kuchacki from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
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Your next question comes from the line of duty, Kentucky, from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for taking the question. You talked about your Neoverse share top hyperscalers expected to reach nearly 50% this year. Any help in the context of like what that was last year and how do we think about just the mix of those workloads running internal versus external?
Jason Child: Thank you for the question. I think if we look back to a year ago, one of the significant changes that we've seen has been where our share last year was probably sub 20%, call it 18%. And now we're looking to approach nearly 50%. It's a combination of two things. It is what I would call in the general purpose workloads, where ARM has been taking share versus conventional x86. This is through Graviton and Google Axion and Microsoft Cobalt. Those share gains continue. In addition to that, you also have these AI workloads running specifically for training and/or inference, which in previous generations were on the NVIDIA Hopper generation, which connected to an external x86. Now moving to Grace Blackwell, GB200, and then GB300, which is an integrated ARM design along with NVIDIA Blackwell next generation GPU.
Yeah, thanks for for taking the question. Uh, you talked about your neoverse, share top hyperscalers expected to to reach nearly 50% this year. Any help in the context of like, what that was last year? And how do we think about just the mix of those uh, workloads running internal versus external?
Uh, thank you for the question. Uh, I think, uh, if we look back to a year ago, 1 of the, the significant changes that we've seen. Um, has been where our share last year, was probably sub 20% called 18%. And now we're looking to approach, uh, nearly 50%. It's a combination of, of, of, of 2 things. Uh, it is, uh, what I would call in the, the general purpose workloads, uh, where arm has been taking share versus conventional x86? Uh, this is through graviton and, uh, Google Axion and Microsoft Cobalt those share gains continue.
Jason Child: So the combination of the growth in the AI data centers, also the fact that we are going from essentially zero share with Hopper to almost exclusive share with Blackwell. And then when you combine that with our growth in the conventional data center market, that's what's putting us close to a net 50%.
In addition to that, you also have, uh, these AI, uh, workloads, uh, running specifically for training and or inference, which in previous generations, were on the Nvidia Hopper generation, which connected to an external x86. Now, moving to Grace Blackwell, uh, gb200. And then gb30, which is an integrated arm design. Uh, along with Nvidia Blackwell Next Generation, uh, GPU. So the combination of the growth in the AI data centers. Uh, also the fact that we are going from essentially zero share with hopper to uh,
Uh, almost exclusive share with with Blackwell. And then, when you combine that with our growth in the conventional Data Center Market, that's what's putting Us close to a net 50%.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Mark Lopezes from Evercore. Please go ahead.
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Your next question comes from the line of Mara pieces from Evercore. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my question. I had a question for Jason, and maybe a bit of a quick follow-up for Rene. Jason, you mentioned FX was one penny impact to EPS for this quarter. And then you said that the out-quarter guidance included the impact of FX. But I don't believe you quantified that. And I was hoping that you could just remind us, spell that out for us. How much is FX expected to impact EPS for next quarter? Remind us your hedging strategy and the rule of thumb of how to think about FX going forward. And then, Rene, if you are Neoverse chips are going to get to 50% this year, that's to just 50% share still for x86. What is the reason that customers stay with x86? Does your share asymptote somewhere below 100% at some point in time?
Speaker 4: Or how should we think about ultimately where you guys could get? Thank you.
Jason Child: Thanks, Mark. I'll answer the FX question quickly. So yeah, $0.01 impact on the current quarter. We expect approximately $0.01 per quarter impact over the next three quarters for the balance of the year. The way our FX strategy works is we basically start on the hedging process at the beginning of the year. Of course, we collect all of our revenue in US dollars. About 2/3 of our OPEX or so is in euro and pounds. And so we basically make estimates on our expenses. In this case, where we're maybe starting to increase some of our OPEX related to some of the opportunities that Rene expected, we have some unhedged portion. And that's why there's maybe a little more impact than what we've seen in the past. But overall, for the full year, thinking something like $0.04 or so.
Was hoping that you could just um, remind us like, you know, what spell that out for us. What how much is FX expected impact APS for next quarter? What, what's remind us? Your hedging strategy and you know the the rule of thumb on how to think about FX going forward. And then Renee if if if you are neoverse um chips are going to get to 50% this year. Uh that's to just 50% share still for x86. What what is the reason that customers stay with x86? Um, is it do, does your share Asim tote somewhere below 100% at some point in time? Or like how should we think about ultimately where you guys could get? Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and regarding the question in terms of where could the market share go, so I think a couple of things going on make us very, very positive about these share gains continuing beyond 50%. One is the fact that the ARM architecture allows for a high degree of customization and a high degree of unique design capabilities that could be done at the chip level, at the blade level, and even at the rack level to greatly not only change the total cost of ownership but maximize the overall performance because customization is very, very beneficial in those cases. So huge, huge benefit there because of our unique position. And then secondly, as the share gains continue across the AI data center, there are advantages to keeping to a single software stack across a single CPU architecture that simplifies management of the overall software of the data center.
Thanks, Mark. I'll answer the FX question quickly. So yeah, 1 cent impact on the current quarter. We expect approximately 1 cent per quarter impact over the next 3 quarters for the balance of the year. Um, the way our FX strategy works is we we we basically um, start on the hedging process at the beginning of the year. You know, of course, we collect all of our Revenue in US Dollars, uh, about 2/3 of our Optics or so, is in, uh, Euro and pounds. And so we basically make estimates on our expenses, you know. In this case is where we're Maybe started to increase some of our Opex related to some of the opportunities that Renee expected. Uh, you know, we have some unhedged portion and that's why there's, maybe a little more impact than most of the in the past. Um, but uh, but overall, you know, for the full year thinking something like 4 cents or so,
Yeah, regarding the. Yeah. And regarding the question in terms of, uh, where where could the market share go. Um, so I I think a couple things going on, make us, uh, very, very, um, positive about these share gains, uh, continuing Beyond. 50% 1 is, uh, the fact that the, our architecture allows for a high degree of customization and a high degree of unique design capabilities, that could be done at the chip level.
Speaker 4: So that's another intangible that could help us. So in general, we're very, very pleased about getting to the number that I just described. And we think it can grow beyond that. We have high confidence.
Sharon: Thank you. Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Andrew Gardner from CITY. Please go ahead.
Uh, at the blade level, and even at the rack level to greatly, not only, uh, change the total cost of ownership, but maximize the, the overall performance because customization is is very, very beneficial in those cases. So uh, huge huge benefit there because of our our unique position and then secondly, as the share gains uh, continue across the AI data center, there are advantages to keeping, uh, to a single software stack across a single CPU architecture, that simplifies, uh, management of the overall software of the data center. So that's another intangible, that, that could help us. Uh, so in general, uh, we're very, very pleased about getting to the number that I just described. Uh, and we think it can grow beyond that. We have high confidence.
Thank you.
Thank you.
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Speaker 4: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. Jason, I was interested in the points you were making on the significant step up in ACV in the quarter. You mentioned both the GPU signing as well as additional licensing with SoftBank. Can you give us a sense as to the magnitude between the two of those drivers, and in particular on the GPU side? In the press releases, you said a major smartphone OEM. In your prepared comments, I feel like I heard the major OEM. I just wanted to sort of clarify that. And just any color you can provide behind those two drivers would be great. Thank you.
And good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. Um, Jason, I was interested in the points. You were making on the uh, significant Step Up in ACV in the quarter. Um, you mentioned both the, the GPU signing, as well as, uh, additional licensing with SoftBank. Can you give us a sense as to the sort of the magnitude between the 2 of those drivers? Um, and in particular on the GPU side uh in the press release, I think you said a major uh, smartphone a um um, in your prepared comments. I feel like I had the major OEM I just wanted to sort of clarify that and just uh any color. You can provide behind those 2 drivers would be great. Thank you.
Jason Child: Sure. So first, I would say it's a major OEM. That's what you should take away. In terms of the other question, all right, ACV. So the ACV step up, again, the three big kind of CSS deals, which, as I said in the prepared remarks, were exciting because this is actually the first chance for someone who's used to CSS now to decide if they want to adopt the next generation. And so to sign those deals, we think is a pretty big deal and a pretty good verification or testimony to the value that CSS is providing. So while that provided a significant amount of incremental license revenue, only a portion of that, of course, is booked. So part of it goes into RPO, and of course, part of it's booked in the quarter.
Uh sure. So first I would say it's a major OEM that's what it that's that's what you should take away. Um in terms of the um
um,
The other question, excuse me. All right. HCV, so the ACV step up, uh, again the three big kind of CSS deals, which, you know, as I said, they're prepared remarks. We're exciting because, you know, this is actually the first chance for someone who's used the CSS now to decide if they want to, uh, you know, adopt the next generation and so to.
Jason Child: If you were to just look at all those rest of the world deals, that would take ACV up to, call it, 17-ish percent. And then, of course, this large step up in the relationship with SoftBank and our custom design services relationship and license with them, that's what gets you up to the kind of the 28% level. So kind of by all dimensions, we've seen an acceleration from both the rest of the world, our customers across all geographies, as well as specifically with SoftBank.
Speaker 4: OK, understood. And just quickly a follow-up on the CSS signings. You mentioned the second generation will generate an even higher royalty rate than the prior one. Can you give us any sense as to the magnitude of that change?
In our Custom Design Services, uh, uh, relationship and license with them. That's what gets you up to the kind of the 28% level. So, so, you know, so kind of, but by all Dimensions, uh, we've seen an acceleration from both, you know, both the rest of world, you know, our our customers across all, uh, all geographies as well as uh specifically uh, with SoftBank.
Jason Child: We've said in the past that CSS was roughly, if you kind of think of kind of the best example of, say, flagship or premium mobile, it used to be that a V8 was in the, what, 2.5%, 3% of ASP, and then a V9 was at roughly 5%. So it roughly doubled. CSS doubled that to roughly 10%. So the new CSS deals are north of 10%. Too early to say kind of exactly what the percentage is, but I think in the past, when we launched the CSS program, we thought that CSS probably was at 10%, was getting close to a ceiling. I'd say the good news is we're seeing that it's not the ceiling. So we'll provide more kind of clarity as more deals get signed and as we start to guide to future periods.
Okay, understood and just a quickly follow up on the CSS signings. You mentioned the second generation will generate an even higher royalty rate than the prior 1. Um, can you give us any sense of the magnitude of that change?
Jason Child: But make no mistake, this is definitely a higher royalty rate than what we'd expected and what we had forecasted in the out year. So it's definitely good news.
We've said in the past that a CSS was, you know, roughly if you if you kind of think of, you know, like kind of the best example of say, uh, you know, Flagship or premium mobile, uh, it used to be that, you know, a V8 was in the what 2 and a half, 3% of ASP. And then in B9 was that roughly 5%? So it roughly doubled CSS to double that to roughly 10. Uh, so the new CSS deals are north of 10%, um, too early to say kind of, you know, kind of exactly what the percentage is. But I think in the past, you know, when we, when we launched the CSS program, we thought that CSS probably was, you know, at 10% was getting close to a ceiling. I I said the good news is we're seeing that it's not the ceiling. So, uh, we'll provide more kind of clarity as more deals, get signed. And as we start to guide to Future,
Speaker 4: Thanks very much. That's great.
Periods. But but you know, make no mistake this is definitely higher royalty rates than what we'd expected and what we had, uh, forecasted in the out years. So it's, it's definitely good news.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Vijay Rakesh from Mizuro. Please go ahead.
Thanks very much, that's great.
Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, Rene. And Jason, just going back on the same question on the ACV. With the SoftBank expanding the license deal there, can you give us some more color on how that looks? I think it's probably with the Stargate for next year. But as you look at that, as you guys do an accelerator there, are you going to benefit from the full ASP, or will it be a licensing deal? Can you give us some color?
Your next question comes from the line of Vijay. Ra cash from mizou please. Go ahead.
Jason Child: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the question, Vijay. I'll try to answer your question as succinctly as possible, although there's some details you asked for that I can't really make a comment on. So at a very high level, Stargate, which is a joint investment venture between SoftBank and OpenAI, is looking to scale up to 10 gigawatts over the next number of years in terms of overall investment. That is a lot of compute, and there's a huge potential for lots of different design opportunities. SoftBank has a very broad AI vision. We're looking to help them with that. Again, without mentioning specific products and application spaces, you can imagine in a data center of that size running different workloads around inference training and such. And today, all of the Stargate opportunities use ARM as the core CPU. We have a unique opportunity to provide solutions there.
Yeah, I had an Andersen just, uh, going back on the same question on, on the ACV, um, the with the soft Bank, uh, you know, expanding the license detail there. Can you give us some more color on how that looks? I think it's probably with the Stargate, uh, for next year. But, um, as you look at that, as you guys do an accelerator, there is that are you going to benefit from the full ASP? Or will it be a licensing deal? Can you give us some color?
Yeah, uh yeah, thanks for the question, BJ. Uh, I'll I'll try to answer your question as soon as quickly as possible. Although there's some details you asked for that. I can't really make a comment on, so at at, at a very high level, uh, Stargate, which is a joint, uh, investment venture between SoftBank and openai. Uh, is looking to scale up to 10, gigawatts over the next number of years. Uh, in terms of overall investment. That is a, that is a lot of compute, uh, and there's a huge potential for lots of different design opportunities. Uh, SoftBank has a very broad AI Vision, uh, we're looking to help them with that. Uh, again, without mentioning specific products,
Jason Child: So a lot of that work has now started, but we're not able to give you any specifics in terms of products or timelines.
Speaker 4: Got it. And then going back on the server side, when you look at the 50% share that you talked about, you obviously have some good big customers there between Google and Amazon and obviously Microsoft. But you also have another CSP that is potentially starting. Do you expect ARM to be in the market with a merchant CPU, or will it all be kind of licensed platforms that run internally?
Some um application spaces. Uh you can imagine in the data center that size running different workloads, around inference training and such uh and today, all of the Stargate opportunities use arm as the core CPU. We have a unique opportunity to provide Solutions there. So a lot of that work uh has now uh started but we're not able to give you any specifics in terms of products or timelines.
Jason Child: Yeah, so right now, I'm not able to really say anything regarding your question in terms of us providing a specific product. But the market share gains that we anticipate over time are somewhat independent of that strategy. We feel super confident, both in terms of the direction of travel of the investment of software that's running on ARM and the roadmap that we'll be able to provide the product technology in any form to increase market share.
Got it. And then going back on the server side, when you look at the 50% share and that you're talking about, you obviously have some good, uh, big customers there between, uh, between between Google and, uh, in Amazon and, uh, obviously Microsoft. Uh, but you also have another CSP that is potentially starting. Um, and do you expect arms to be in the market with a merchant CPU or, uh, will it all be? Um, you know, kind of licensed, uh, platforms that run internally.
Speaker 4: Great, thank you.
Yeah, so right now, not able to really say anything regarding, uh, your question in terms of us providing a specific product, but the market share gains that that we anticipate uh, over time or or somewhat independent of that strategy, uh, we feel super confident both in terms of the direction of travel of investment of software, that's running on arm, and the roadmap that will be able to provide, uh, the product technology in any form to increase market share.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris Sanker from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
Great. Thank you.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Sanka from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Hi, thanks so much for taking my questions. This is Stephen calling on behalf of Chris. Rene, I had a question for you, kind of big picture. Just over the last couple of weeks, a number of hyperscalers have increased their CapEx targets for this year, and then also talking about further growth into next year. I'm kind of curious, just for your initial thoughts on the implications for number one royalty growth for this year and next year as it pertains to existing ARM processor ASIC type design wins and also looking a little further out for licensing opportunities for further CSS type wins. Thank you.
Jason Child: Yeah, thank you for the question. I think I would interpret this continued increase in CapEx for all of these AI data centers as only a very strong tailwind for ARM, both on the technology side in terms of the products that we provide and also with the royalty rates associated with it. As Jason mentioned, we're now on to our second generation of CSSs. We talked about CSS as a concept a couple of years ago before we went public. And we're now starting to see the benefits of those hitting our royalties. Over the next number of years, as these newer CSSs with even higher royalty rates hit, we should expect an expansion of the royalty growth on that. Right now, on the overall CapEx side, what we are seeing is still unabated demand for that.
Royalty growth for this year. And next year as it pertains to to existing uh um arm processor, basic type design wins. And also you know, looking a little further out for licensing, uh, opportunities for further uh, you know, CSS type wins. Thank you.
Yeah, thank you for the question. I think I would interpret this, uh, continued increase in capex for all these AI data centers as as only a very strong Tailwind for arm
Jason Child: And one of the broader reasons for this is that AI has one of the unique capabilities that it will touch literally every industry that we know. Over time, there isn't really going to be anything that can't be impacted by it. And it's still very, very early days in terms of how enterprises are broadly using it. So I think you're seeing that in terms of the hyperscalers being very aggressive on the spend. And you're seeing the evolution of the models support that the more compute, the better the models get. The better the models get, there's more need for compute. And I think for us, it's all a good thing because we're at the heart of compute.
Both on the, uh, the technology side in terms of the, the products that we provide and also, uh, with the royalty rates associated with it, as Jason mentioned, uh, we're now on to our second generation of csss. Uh, we talked about CSS as a concept, a couple years ago before we went public and, uh, we're now starting to see the benefits of those hitting our royalties, uh, over the next number of years as these newer csss with even higher royalty rates, hit, uh, we should expect an expansion of the royalty growth on that, uh, right now. Um, on on the overall capex side. What, what we are seeing is uh, still unabated, uh, demand, uh for that. Uh, and the reason 1 of the broader reasons for this is that a AI has 1 of the, the unique, um, capabilities that it will touch literally every industry that we know, uh, over time, there isn't really going to be anything that can't be impacted by it, uh, and it's still very, very early.
Jason Child: And also, I think as these models evolve and start to move to different parts of the ecosystem more broadly, those are also domains where ARM is already the platform compute platform of choice. So I think it all adds up for good news for us in the long run.
Days, in terms of how Enterprises are broadly using it. So I think you're seeing that in terms of, uh, the the hyperscalers being, uh, very aggressive on the spend, and you're seeing the evolution of the models, uh, support that the more compute, the better the models get the better the models get, there's more need for compute. And I think for us, uh, it's all a good thing, uh, because we're at the heart of compute and
Also, I think as these models evolved and start to move to different parts of the ecosystem, more broadly. Uh, those are also domains where, where arm is already, uh, the platform compute platform of choice. So I think it all adds up for, uh, for good news for us in the long, in the long run.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Sebastian Nagy from William Blair. Please go ahead.
Comes from the line of Sebastian Nati from William Blair, please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for taking the question. I just wanted to ask if you could provide any commentary on the ARM China business, and in particular whether some of the loose and GPU export controls we've seen here over the last month could drive a more meaningful contribution from ARM China in the data center versus your prior expectations, even three months ago.
Jason Child: Yeah, one of the things, thank you for the question. One of the things that we've been pretty consistent on communicating is that for ARM, the China market largely tracks the global market in terms of China really does rely very heavily on the Western ecosystem relative to the software that runs on ARM. So whether it's smartphones or autonomous vehicles or the data center, our traction and momentum in China is quite consistent with the rest of the world. To your direct question on have we seen anything potentially on the new export controls changing anything regarding our business, not really. The specific H20 release doesn't really impact us very much. So I would say on that question, no. But again, more broadly with ARM China, we continue to see consistent growth there that's aligned with the kind of growth we see across the rest of the world.
Uh, yeah, thank you for taking the question. I just wanted to ask if you could provide any commentary on the arm, China business and in particular, whether uh, some of the loose and GPU export controls, we've seen here, over the last month, could drive a more meaningful contribution from armed China and the data center versus your prior expectations. You know, even even 3 months ago,
Yeah, 1 of 1 of the things. Thank you for the question, 1 of the things that we've been pretty, pretty consistent on, uh, communicating is that for arm. Uh, the China Market largely tracks the the global market. In terms of China, really does rely very heavily on uh the Western ecosystem relative to the software that runs on arm, so whether its smartphones or autonomous vehicles or the data center, uh, our traction and momentum in China is quite consistent with, uh, with the rest of the world, to your direct question on. Have we seen anything potentially on, uh, the new export controls, uh, changing anything, uh, regarding our business, not really, um, you know, the, the, the specific, uh, H20, uh, release doesn't really impact us very much. Um, so, I would say on that question. No, but again, more broadly with armed China. Uh, we continue to see consistent growth there. Uh, that's aligned with the kind of growth we
Jason Child: This is Jason here. Just to add on, ARM China in Q1 was about 21% of revenue. So it ticked up a little bit from the 15% that it was last quarter and about 14% of where it was a year ago. So the China business is, I would say, strong and continuing to grow nicely.
See across the rest of the world.
Uh, this is Jason here just to add on
Speaker 4: Got it. Thank you both.
I'm trying to in q1 was about 21% of Revenue, so it picked up a little bit from the, uh, 15% that it was last quarter, uh, and about 14% of where it was a year ago. So the China business is is, you know, I would say strong and and continuing to grow nicely.
Sharon: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Stefan Uri from OdoBHF. Please go ahead.
Got it. Thank you both.
Thank you.
Your next question comes from the line of Stefan. Oui from oddo bhf, please go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yes, good evening, everyone. I have a question about the adoption of ARM v9. If you can give us the number where we stand now. Last quarter, I think it was about 30%, if I remember well, where are we standing now? Thank you very much.
Yes. Uh, good evening everyone. Um, I have a question about the the adoption of armv9, if you can give us the number where we stand now, um, last quarter. I think it was about 30%, if I, if I remember well, where we standing now, thank you very much.
Jason Child: Thank you, Stefan. Yeah, we actually said last quarter we gave the update for end of year, and it was a little over 30%, and that we're now just going to update this on an annual basis. However, you know, so wait till the end of this year is the next time we're going to provide the financial update or the percentage update. But what I can tell you is that royalties did step up from 18% on your growth last quarter to 25% this quarter. So you should assume that v9 and CSS percentage continues to grow nicely.
Jason Child: Yeah, the thing I would add on to that is, and one of the reasons why we're not communicating it to the level that we had in the past, it can be a little bit misleading because with version 9, for example, on some of the mobile phone iterations, we're on our fourth generation of v9 implementations delivered. And on each generation, the royalty rate has increased. So when we combine royalty rates increasing from 8% to 9%, but more significantly, each generation of v9 is higher than the previous one. And those generations are on a per annum basis, or at least the implementations that use them. The royalty rates will continue to grow faster than v9 adoption. So the one-to-one correlation between royalty rate growth and v9 penetration, we want to make sure that we communicate that should be separated out.
We're going to we're going to provide the the financial updates or the percentage update but what I can tell you is that royalties, you know, did step up from uh 18% you know, on your growth last quarter uh to 25% this quarter. So so you should assume that v9, you know, and and CSS percentage uh continues to to grow nicely.
Speaker 4: OK, why don't we make the next question the last one? Thank you, Sharon.
Yeah. The the the thing I would add on to that is um and 1 of the reasons why we're we're not communicating it um to the level that we had in the past it can be a little bit misleading. Because with with Version 9, for example, on some of the mobile phone iterations, we're on our fourth generation of v9 implementations delivered and on each generation, uh, of the royalty rate as increased. So when we combined royalty rates increasing, um, from 8 to 9, but more significantly, each generation of v9 is higher than the previous 1 and those Generations are on a paranormal basis or at least the implementations that use them. The royalty rates will will continue to grow faster than v9 adoption. So the the 1 to 1 correlation between wealthy rate growth and v9 penetration. Uh we want to make sure that we communicate that should be separated out.
Sharon: Thank you. Your final question for today comes from the line of Lee Simpson from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Okay, why don't we make the next question? Why don't we make the next question? The last 1. Thank you, Sharon.
Thank you.
Speaker 4: Great. Thanks for squeezing me in there. I'll maybe ask a two-part question if I can get away with it. You did call out ESOC and Xena CSS in the prepared remarks. So I guess with ESOC, first of all, it has a good capability set at the edge, but does it make sense to actually stretch the performance here in time and go beyond that four tops level? And where could an NPU like that be applicable long term? I mean, could it be used in a cloud environment? Is it applicable as a performance level there in time? And maybe just on Xena, interesting that you've had the first deal done already in CSS. But obviously, there's a range of opportunities in the car. So I'm just trying to understand, do we think of this as a self-driving opportunity play, or is this more Geneve and ADAS?
Your final question for today comes from the line of Lee Simpson from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Great. Uh, thanks for squeezing me in there. Um, I'll maybe ask a 2-part question if I can get away with it. Um, you did call out Esau and, uh, Xena at CSS in the, the prepared remarks
Speaker 4: And where would the ramp in licensing happen? Would it happen within this year? Thanks.
Jason Child: Yeah, thanks, Lee, for both questions, giving us a chance to shout out ESOC and Xena here. So ESOC, we haven't announced its future roadmap, but you can imagine it'll be something that can continue to get larger than four tops. It's not a data center product. It's not the space to think about it. It's going to be much more in an area where it needs to run off a battery, and in some cases, batteries that don't get charged very often. So extremely low-power applications, but also small in terms of physical fit and form factor. Imagine it's something that could physically be on your body that could be doing AI acceleration. So lots and lots of application spaces for that. So we're very excited about that platform and also, more importantly, the long-term potential for it.
So I I guess with these thoughts, first of all, you know, it has a good capability set at the edge but does it make sense to actually stretch the performance here in time and go beyond that 4 Topps level? And and where could an mpu like that be applicable long term. I mean, could it be used uh, in a cloud environment is it is it? Um, is it applicable as a performance level there in time and maybe just on Xena? Um, interesting that you've had the the the first deal done already in CSS. Uh but obviously it's you know there's a range of opportunities in the car so I'm just trying to understand. Do we think of this as a self-driving opportunity play or is this more Genevieve an Adas and where would the ramping licensing happen? Would it happen within this year? Thanks.
Jason Child: Xena CSS, and again, thank you for asking about it and also recognizing that already we've got customers signed up for it. The automotive market is one that is an excellent candidate for CSS. The customers in that time frame don't have decades and decades of SoC experience. They benefit greatly from a design that accelerates time to market. They benefit greatly in terms of the work that we do there. There's a lot of growth potential in terms of what we could do with Xena in the automotive sector. The way to think about where it likely lands is in an L2 to L4 ADAS type of application. So working in that control plane, in that data plane, around everything that has to do with the autonomous section. There's increasingly emerging of the IVI subsystem with the ADAS system.
Yeah. Uh, thanks Lee for both questions. Giving us a chance to to shout out, ethos and Xena here. So, so, ethos, uh, we have an announced its, you know, future roadmap, but you can imagine, uh, it'll be something that can continue to get larger than than 4 Topps. Uh, it's not a data center product. It's not not the space to think about it. It's going to be much more in an area where it needs to run off a battery. Uh, and in some cases batteries that that don't get charged very often. So, uh, extremely low power applications, but also small in terms of, uh, physical fit and form factor. I imagine something that could physically be on your body. Uh, that could be doing an AI acceleration. So lots and lots of application spaces for that. So we're very excited about about that platform. And also, more importantly, the, the long-term potential for it, uh, Xena CSS. And again, thank you for, for asking about it and also, uh, recognizing that already. We've got, we've got customers signed up for it. Uh, the automotive Market is, uh,
1. That is an excellent candidate for CSS. Um, the customers in that in that time frame, um, don't have decades and Decades of soc experience. Uh, they benefit greatly from a uh, a design that accelerates time to Market. They benefit greatly in terms of the work that we do there. There's a lot of growth potential in terms of what we could do uh with Xena and the automotive sector uh the way to think about where it's it. Likely lands is in a L2 to L4.
Jason Child: Both have huge amounts of software investment and software stacks that run on ARM. So it was just a natural that we would with it. We ended up working on it sooner than we thought. As we talked about a few years ago when we kicked off CSS, we were quite purposeful in terms of the markets we entered. This was a market that we were seeing huge benefit for. So we're very happy to have announced it. We're happy to have a lead customer, and momentum is very strong there.
8s type of application. So, uh, working in that control plane, in that data plane, uh, around everything that has to do with the autonomous section, there's increasingly, uh, emerging of the, uh, of the ivi subsystem with the 8S system, uh, both, uh, have huge amounts of software investment and software Stacks that run on arm. So it was just a, a natural that we would, we would with it. We ended up working on it, um, sooner than we thought uh, as we talked about, you know, a few years ago when we kicked off CSS, uh we were quite purposeful in terms of the markets we entered. This was a market that we were seeing um huge benefits for uh so we're very happy to uh to have announced it. We're happy to have a lead customer and momentum is very strong there.
Speaker 4: And timing of follow-on license deals?
And and time and time will follow on licensed deals.
Jason Child: We have a very strong pipeline of deals for that that we'll be able to share with you when we're able to announce them.
Speaker 4: Great, understood. Thank you.
Will be able to share with you when we're able to announce them.
Sharon: Thank you. I will now hand the call back to Rene for closing remarks.
Great understood. Thank you.
Jason Child: Yeah, no, thank you for that. And thank you for all the questions. We are at a very unique time in the industry's history. I think we're seeing, obviously, AI being the most transformative technology, innovation, and disruption that will impact our lives going forward. AI requires a huge amount of compute. AI requires a huge amount of compute, whether you're doing that in the cloud, an automobile, a smartphone, a PC, or even small devices like security cameras or earbuds. ARM is the only company on the planet with a compute platform that can address all that. We're seeing the indicators of that now with Grace Blackwell in the data center and customers using our acceleration capabilities inside a CPU with our SME or ESOC products. We are extremely excited about the future. And it could not be a better time to be working in this industry.
Thank you. I will now hand the call back to Renee for closing remarks.
Yeah, no, thank you for, uh, for that. And thank you for all the, all the questions. Uh, we are at a very unique time, uh, in the industry's history. Uh, I think we're seeing, uh, obviously AI being the most transformative technology, uh, Innovation and disruption that will, uh, impact Our Lives going forward. Uh,
Jason Child: And the growth trajectory of the company, I think, is unparalleled. Thank you, everyone, for your questions and your interest in ARM.
AI requires a huge amount of compute AI requires a huge amount of compute whether you're doing that in the cloud, an automobile, smartphone a PC, or even, uh, small devices like a security cameras or or earbuds. Arm is the only company on the planet with a compute platform that can address all that. We're seeing the indicators of that. Now uh, with Grace Blackwell in the data center and customers using our acceleration capabilities as that is C CPU with our SME or or or ethos products. Uh we are extremely excited about the future. Uh, and uh, it could not be a better time to be working in this industry. Uh, and the growth trajectory of the company I think is unparalleled
Sharon: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Thank you everyone for your questions and your interest in armed.
Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.