Q2 2025 Brookfield Business Partners LP Earnings Call

Welcome to the Brookfield Business Partners second quarter 2025 results conference call and webcast.

As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded.

Alan Fleming: Thank you, operator, and good morning. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that in responding to questions and talking about our growth initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks, and future results may differ materially. For further information on known risk factors, I encourage you to review our filings with the securities regulators in Canada and the U.S., which are both available on our website. We will begin the call today with Anuj Ranjan, our Chief Executive Officer, who will provide an update on our strategic initiatives. Anuj will then turn the call over to Adrian Letts, head of our business operations team, to share an update on the global operating environment. Jaspreet Dehl, our Chief Financial Officer, will then discuss our financial results for the quarter.

After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions to ask a question. Simply press star 1 1 on your touchtone phone. Now I'd like to turn the conference over to Alan Fleming head of investor relations. Please go ahead Mr. Fleming

Thank you, operator. And good morning before we begin. I'd like to remind you that in responding to questions and talking about our growth initiatives and our financial. And operating performance, we may make forward-looking statements, these statements are subject to known and unknown risks and future results May materially for further information on know, and risk factors. I encourage you to review our filings with the Securities Regulators in Canada and the US, which are both available on our website.

We'll begin the call today with the news, run, our chief executive officer, who will provide an update on our strategic initiatives.

A new will then turn the call over to Adrian, lets head of our business operations, team to share an update on the global operating environment.

Alan Fleming: After we finish our prepared remarks, the team will be on and available to take your questions. With that, I would like to now pass the call over to Anuj.

Just breathe Dell or Chief Financial Officer will then discuss our financial results for the quarter.

After we finish our prepared remarks, the team will be on and available to take your questions.

Anuj Ranjan: Thanks, Alan. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today. We had a great quarter. Our business continues to compound value, and six months into the year, our overall per unit value is higher. Over the past few months, we realized more than $800 million from asset sales and distributions and invested $300 million to acquire two market-leading businesses. We continue to buy back under our repurchase program, which has returned nearly $160 million to our owners at the start of the year. We also generated strong financial results with adjusted EBITDA increasing to $591 million, supported by resilient margins and improved performance of our existing operations. As our business continues to scale, finding new ways to surface value will provide us flexibility to execute our playbook, and the growth of the secondaries market has become one of the options at our disposal.

With that, I'd like to now pass a call over to the news.

Thanks alen, good morning everyone, thank you for joining us on the call today.

We had a great quarter, our business continues to compound value and 6 months into the year, our overall per unit value is higher.

Over the past few months, we realized more than $800 million from asset sales and distributions and invested $300 million to acquire 2 market-leading businesses.

We continue to buy back our shares under our repurchase program, which has returned nearly $160 million to our owners at the start of the year. We also generated strong financial results, with adjusted EBITDA increasing to $591 million, supported by resilient margins and improved performance of our existing operations.

Anuj Ranjan: In simple terms, secondaries are the sale or transfer of a private investment from one investor to another, often at a 10% or more discount in that asset value as a way for an existing investor to get liquidity. If you think about BBU, it is really just a large private equity secondary, which is publicly listed and should trade at a much narrower discount than it does. This should prove itself out as we continue to surface value in accretive ways, including the secondary sale of interest in our businesses at values that are accretive to our trading price. To that point, last month, we sold a portion of our interest in three of our businesses to see the new Evergreen Fund managed by Brookfield.

As our business continues to scale, finding new ways to surface value will provide us flexibility to execute our Playbook. The growth of the secondaries market has become one of the options at our disposal.

Some simple terms secondaries are the sale or transfer of a private investment from 1 investor to another often at a 10% or more a discount and that asset value as a way of for an existing investor to get liquidity.

If you think about BBU, it's really just a large private Equity secondary, which is publicly listed and should trade at a much narrower discount than it does.

This should prove itself out as we continue to service value in a creative ways, including the secondary sale of interest in our businesses at values that are accretive to our trading price.

Anuj Ranjan: In exchange, we took back units of the new fund that have an initial redemption value of $690 million, which represents an aggregate 8.6% discount to the NAV of the interest that we sold. At these values, the transaction is highly accretive to the market value of BBU. As the units are redeemed, the cash will provide us added flexibility to accelerate buybacks, reinvest in growth, and reduce debt, all of which will increase the per unit and share value of our business. We have also been putting capital to work. Earlier this week, we agreed to privatize First National Financial Corporation, a leading Canadian residential and multifamily mortgage lender. First National is an essential service provider to the Canadian housing market, serving a critical role across the mortgage lifecycle, from underwriting and origination to funding, distribution, servicing, and loan renewal.

To that point last month, we sold a portion of our interest in 3 of our businesses, to see the new Evergreen fund, managed by Brookfield.

In exchange, we took back units of the new fund that have an initial Redemption value of 690 million, which represents an aggregate 8.6% discount to the nav of the interest that we sold.

These values of transaction, is highly accretive to the market value of BBU.

As a units are redeemed, the cache will provide us added flexibility to accelerate BuyBacks reinvest in growth and reduce debt all of which will increase the per unit and Share value of our business.

We've also been putting capital to work earlier this week. We agreed to privatize First National Financial Corporation, a leading Canadian residential and multifamily mortgage lender.

Anuj Ranjan: Its highly resilient earnings and strong cash flows are supported by the fees and income it earns on a large and growing base of mortgages that it services. Alongside our partners, we see opportunities to upgrade its systems, streamline operations, and strengthen its service model in a private setting, which should enhance its already strong track record of returns and cash flows. BBU's share of the equity investment is expected to be about $145 million. Stepping back, we have made great progress since the start of the year, and the reasons to own BBU have arguably never been clearer. First, we trade at a material discount to the private market value of our assets. Second, those assets are mission-critical providers of products and services which generate strong cash flow across economic cycles.

It's highly resilient earnings and strong cash flows are supported by the fees and income, it earns on large and growing base of mortgages that its services alongside. Our partners we see opportunities to upgrade its systems, streamline operations and strengthen and service model in a private setting which should enhance its already strong track record of returns and cash flows.

BBU share of the equity investment is expected to be about 145 million.

Stepping back. We've made great progress since the start of the year and the reasons to own BBU have arguably never been clearer.

First, we trade at a material discount to the private market value of our assets.

Anuj Ranjan: Lastly, every dollar that is recycled and redeployed is done so by the same Brookfield team, which has generated tremendous returns on capital for decades. With that, I will now pass the call over to Adrian Letts, our Global Head of Business Operations, to provide an update on the operating environment.

Second, those assets are mission critical providers of products and services which generate strong cash flow across economic Cycles.

And lastly, every dollar that is recycled and redeployed is done so by the same Brookfield team, which has generated tremendous returns on capital for decades.

Adrian Letts: Thank you, Anuj, and good morning, everyone. It's great to be joining you on the call today. With the first half of the year now behind us, I wanted to provide some observations on how the operating environment has evolved over the past few months and how our businesses have been responding. The global economy today is in a much different spot than the outlook most had expected at the start of this year. With inflation in check, unemployment levels low, and many central banks moving toward an easing cycle, growth expectations across most developed markets were high heading into the year. However, as we know, tariffs, rising global trade tensions, and geopolitical conflicts have introduced much more uncertainty in a relatively short time. While this continues, we do see signs that it is stabilizing. However, we remain cautious. The U.S. has been very resilient.

With that, I'll now pass the call over to Adrian lets our Global head of business operations to provide an update on the operating environment.

Thank you and good morning, everyone. It's great to be joining you on the call today.

With the first half of the year now behind us, I wanted to provide some observations on how the operating environment has evolved over the past few months and how our businesses have been responding.

The global economy today is in a much different spot than the Outlook. Most had expected at the start of this year with inflation. And check unemployment levels, low and many central banks, moving toward an easing, cycle growth, expectations across Mo, most developed markets were high heading into the year. However, as we know, tariffs rise in global trade tensions and geopolitical conflicts have introduced much more uncertainty in a relatively short time.

Adrian Letts: GDP expectations for the second half of the year have stabilized. Unemployment remains low, and consumer sentiment has inched higher in the past few months. In Europe, although it will take a while for things to play through, stimulus spending is increasing, including Germany greenlighting a $500 billion infrastructure fund, and other countries such as the U.K. have put forward plans to reduce barriers to competition and accelerate delivery of infrastructure projects. Outside of Europe, it remains very clear that the GCC markets where we operate in the Middle East are very strong, and India remains a growth economy. Growth is very important to our value creation plans, and while our businesses have not been immune to slowdowns over the past few months, our principles are serving us very well. We deliberately buy high-quality, market-leading businesses that have strong competitive advantages and provide mission-critical products and services.

While this continues, we do see signs that it is stabilizing. However, we remain cautious.

The US has been very resilient GDP expectations for the second half of the year have stabilized. Unemployment, remains low and consumer sentiment has inched higher in the past few months. In Europe, although it'll take a while for things to play through stimulus spending is increasing Germany, green lighting up 500% and accelerate delivery of infrastructure projects.

Outside of Europe, it remains very clear that the GCC markets where we operate in the Middle. East are very strong and India remains a growth economy.

Growth is very important to our value creation plans. And while our businesses have not been immune to slowdowns over the past few months, our principles are serving us very well.

Adrian Letts: This means they generally have pricing power, which has enabled us to pass through the direct effects of tariffs in the select cases where we are seeing some impact in our operations. It also means that, notwithstanding some pockets of softness, our volumes and activity levels on balance have held up well in spite of the backdrop. Most importantly, we are not standing still. We have continued to make significant progress in our value creation plans across the business. As a result, we have been able to maintain, and in some cases, increase, margins in more difficult near-term environments while continuing to strengthen the long-term positioning of our businesses. For example, at DexKo, while volumes have contracted, margins have increased approximately 200 basis points since our acquisition due to the phenomenal job the business has done to right-size its cost structure, strengthen its market position, and optimize productivity.

We deliberately buy high-quality market-leading businesses that have strong competitive advantages and provide Mission critical products and services. This means they generally have pricing power, which is an enable us to pass through the Direct effects of tariffs in the select cases where we're seeing some impact in our operations.

It also means that notwithstanding some pockets of softness are volumes and activity levels on balance have held up well, in spite of the backdrop,

Most importantly, we're not standing still. We have continued to make significant progress in our value creation plans across the business. As a result, we've been able to maintain, and in some cases increase, margins in more difficult near-term environments, while continuing to strengthen the long-term positioning of our businesses.

Adrian Letts: Similarly, at Modulair, where utilization levels have been impacted by overall sluggish capital investment in Europe, the team is continuing to drive growth in value-added products and services and streamline the organizational structure, which has contributed to resilient margins which are higher than when we bought the business four years ago. Even at Clarios, where performance continues to exceed expectations, overall battery volumes have seen some impact from a slowdown in global automotive production levels. Yet margins, which exceeded 20% through the first half of the calendar year, continue to increase, supported by improved service levels, increased operational effectiveness, and a higher mix of technologically advanced batteries. These are just a few examples of the work underway across each of our businesses, including our more recent acquisitions like Network International and CanalX, where our integration and value creation plans are off to very strong starts.

For example, at dexco while volumes have contracted margins of increased approximately 200 basis points, since our acquisition due to the phenomenal. Job for business is done to right size, its cost structure, strengthen its Market position and optimize productivity

Similarly, at, uh, module, are we? Utilization levels have been impacted by overall, sluggish, capital investment in Europe. The team is continuing to drive growth in value, added products, and services, and streamline the organizational structure, which is contributed to resilient margins which are higher than when we bought the business 4 years ago, even at clario where performance continues to exceed. Expectations. Overall battery volumes have seen some impact from a Slowdown in Global Automotive production levels yet margins, which exceeded 20% through the first half of the calendar year. Continued to increase supported by improved service levels, increased operational, effectiveness and a higher mix of technologically advanced batteries.

Adrian Letts: As Anuj Ranjan said, we are really pleased with the progress we have made over the past six months. We have been through cycles like these before, and our playbook is tested. All the work we have done to optimize the operating platform should amplify performance when a broader base recovery does take hold. With that, I will hand it over to Jaspreet Dehl for a review of our financial results, and we will stay on the line to take any more questions after prepared remarks.

These are just a few examples of the work underway across uh each of our businesses, including our more recent acquisitions, like Network International and Camille where our integration and value creation plans are off to very strong starts.

As a new set, we're really pleased with the progress. We've made over the past 6 months.

To optimize the operating platform should amplify performance when a broader base recovery does take hold.

Jaspreet Dehl: Thanks, Adrian, and good morning, everyone. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $591 million increased compared to $524 million in the prior period. Results reflected improved underlying operating performance, tax benefits, and contribution from recent acquisitions. Adjusted EFO of $234 million during the quarter benefited from lower interest expense due to a reduction in corporate borrowings compared to the prior period. Turning to segment performance, our industrial segment generated second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $307 million and increased compared to $213 million in 2024. Results included $71 million of tax benefits at our advanced energy storage operations and contributions from recent acquisitions, including our electric heat tracing systems manufacturer, which we acquired in January. Strong performance at our advanced energy storage operations benefited from growing demand and increased volumes of advanced batteries, as well as continued strong commercial and operational execution.

With that I'll hand it over to Jasper to review of our financial results and will stay on the line to take any more questions after prepared remarks.

Thanks, Adrian, and good morning. Everyone, second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $591 million increased compared to $524 million in the prior period.

Results reflected improved underlying operating performance.

Tax benefits and contribution from recent acquisitions.

Adjusted year 4 of $234 million during the quarter benefited from lower interest expense due to a reduction in corporate borrowings compared to the prior period.

Turning to segment performance.

I industrial segment generated second quarter, adjusted IBA of 307 million and increased compared to 213 million in 2024.

results included 71 million of tax benefits at our Advanced Energy storage operations and contributions from recent acquisitions, including our electric heat tracing systems manufacturer, which we acquired in January,

Jaspreet Dehl: Volumes at our engineered components manufacturer improved across many international and North American end markets, which contributed to increased contributions during the quarter. Moving to the business services segment, which generated second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $205 million and increased compared to $182 million last year, which included the impact of $38 million related to one-time costs at our dealer software and technology services operation. Our residential mortgage insurer is benefiting from increased volumes of new insurance premiums written and low losses on claims. Results during the quarter reflect the timing impact of slower revenue recognition under IFR 17 accounting standards due to revised model assumptions given the current macroeconomic uncertainty and consensus view of the Canadian housing market. At our dealer software and technology services operation, stable performance included costs associated with the ongoing investments in product modernization and technology upgrades.

Strong performance at our Advanced Energy storage operations benefited from growing demand and increased volumes of advanced batteries as well as continued, strong commercial and operational execution.

Volumes at our engineered components manufacturer improved across many International and North American and markets which contributed to increased contributions during the quarter.

Moving to Business Services segments which generated second quarter adjusted. EBA of 205 million and increased compared to 182 Million last year. Which included the impact of 38 million related to 1 time costs at our dealer software and Technology Services operations.

Our residential mortgage insurer is benefiting from increased volumes of new insurance premiums written and low losses on claims.

Results. During the quarter, we reflected on the timing impact of slower revenue recognition under IFRS 17 accounting standards due to revised model assumptions. Given the current macroeconomic uncertainty and the consensus view of the Canadian housing market.

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Jaspreet Dehl: This is expected to continue over the next 12 to 18 months. Finally, our Infrastructure Services segment generated second quarter adjusted EBITDA of $109 million compared to $157 million during the same quarter last year. This reflects the sale of our offshore oil services shuttle tanker operation early this year. Industry fundamentals at our laundry service operation remain resilient despite the impact of fewer hardware deliveries and lower laundry jackpot sizes compared to prior year. Turning to our balance sheet and capital allocation priorities, our strong balance sheet provides us options to support our capital allocation. We ended the quarter with approximately $2.9 billion of corporate liquidity pro forma for announced acquisitions and realizations, including the expected redemption value of the fund units we received in exchange for the sale of a partial interest in three businesses last month.

In Software and Technology Services, we are focused on operational stable performance, which includes costs associated with ongoing investments in product modernization and technology upgrades. This is expected to continue over the next 12 to 18 months.

Finally, our infrastructure Services segment generated second quarter adjusted e ba of 109 million compared to 157 million during the same quarter last year.

This reflects the sale of our offshore oil services, shuttle tanker, operation, early this year.

Industry fundamentals that our Lottery service operation, remained resilient, despite the impact of fewer Hardware, deliveries and lower Lottery. Jackpot sizes compared to Prior year.

Turning to a balance sheet and capital allocation priorities. Our strong balance sheet provides us options to support our Capital allocation.

Jaspreet Dehl: During the quarter, we continue to maintain an increased pace of repurchase activity under our buyback program. As Anuj Ranjan mentioned, since February, we've acquired 6.5 million units and shares, returning nearly $160 million to our owners, including $56 million returned during the quarter. Buying our own units and shares well below their fair value is an easy and efficient way for us to generate returns for our investors, then increase the per unit value of our business. We plan to renew our nominal cost issuer bid later this month, which will provide us capacity to repurchase an additional 8 million units and shares over the subsequent 12 months. With that, I'll close my remarks, and we'll open up the call for questions.

We ended the quarter with the approximately 2.9 billion of corporate liquidity. Proforma for announced Acquisitions and realizations including the expected Redemption value of the fund units. We received in exchange for the sale of a partial interest in 3 businesses last month.

During the quarter, we continue to maintain an increased pace of re purchase activity under our buyback program.

As in each mention, since February, we've acquired 6.5 million units and shares, returning nearly $160 million to our owners, including...

56 million returned during the quarter.

Buying our own units Insurance. Well, below their fair value is an easy and effective way for us to generate returns for our investors. Then increase the per unit value of our business,

We plan to review our normal cost issuer, bid later this month, which will provide us capacity to repurchase and additional 8 million units and shares over the subsequent 12 months.

With that, I'll close my remarks and we'll open up the call for questions.

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Devin Dodge: All right. Thank you, Al. Good morning, everybody. I wanted to start with Scientific Games. When we look at the earnings from this investment, over the last 12 months or so, the trajectory has been flat to down. The business is having some nice commercial wins, and I am sure there is a lot of work being done in the background to improve the operating performance. It just seems like this progress often gets offset by other factors. We have seen hardware deliveries, lower jackpots, inflation was a challenge at one point. It just made it harder to assess the earnings power of the business. My question for you is just how is Scientific Games performing relative to your underwriting assumptions, and when do you expect all the work that is being done to show up in earnings?

Our first question comes from Devon Dodge with BMO Capital Markets.

All right, thank you. Uh, good morning, everybody. Um, so I wanted to start with Scientific Games. Uh, so when we look at the earnings from this investment, uh, you know, call it over the last 12 months or so.

The trajectory has been, you know, flat to down. Um, you look, the business is having some uh, nice commercial wins. And I'm I'm sure there's a lot of work being done in the background to improve the operating performance, but it just seems like this progress often gets offset by other factors. You know, we've seen like Hardware delivery is lower jackpots, you know, inflation was a challenge at 1 point. It just

Made it harder to assess the earnings power of the business. So the question for you is just how is scientific gains performing relative to your underwriting assumptions and and when do you expect all the work that's being done to show up in earnings?

Adrian Letts: Thanks, Devin. It's Adrian Letts. Look, I think the first thing to say, if you look at the results this quarter, you are absolutely right. Hardware deliveries were lower this year, and we saw some impact from a performance penalty at one of our JVs. But if you adjust for those impacts, EBITDA performance was flat. Stepping back, the industry remains very resilient, which was central to our original investment thesis. At the same time, overall industry growth has been a bit slower than we expected. We are continuing to scale up and put our shoulder behind digital capabilities, and we continue to see a high growth segment of the market. We have talked about the work that we have done in realigning the business with digital, having its own reporting line under new leadership. We hired a new business leader in that part of the organization.

Adrian Letts: It brings a strong depth of experience. As you know, it takes time for the legislation to be put in place in the U.S., which will allow lottery operators to introduce digital lottery. We have been winning our fair share, including a significant digital lottery as part of the contract very recently awarded for the U.K. Today, we are the largest digital lottery service provider globally. While we have been winning these new opportunities, some of the contracts awards have been slower to ramp up, and we are working and continuing to strengthen our capability to accelerate these. As the contracts ramp up over the next 12 months, we fully expect to flow through to earnings and cash flow.

Thanks, Devon, it's Adrian, LED. So look, I think the first thing to say, if you look at the results, this quarter, you're absolutely right. Uh, Hardware deliveries were lower this year and we saw some impact, uh, from a performance penalty at 1 of our JVS. But if you adjust for those impacts, if it's our performance was flat. Um, stepping back the industry remains very resilient which was Central to our original investment thesis. Uh, and at the same time, overall industry growth has been a bit slower than we expected. Uh, we can continue to scale up and put our shoulder behind digital capabilities. And we continue to see, uh, high growth segment of the market. We've talked about the work that we've done and realigning, the business with digital having its own reporting line under the new leadership. We, we hired a new business leader in in that, uh, part of the organization who brings a strong depth of experience. Um, but as you know, it takes time for the legislation to be put in place in the US uh which will allow a lottery operators um to introduced to

Digital Lottery. Um, but we've been winning our fair share, uh, including a significant digital order is part of the contract where we recently awarded, uh, for the UK. Uh, and today we're the largest digital digital Lottery service provider globally. Um, and while we've been winning, these new opportunities, some of the contracts Awards have been slower, uh, to ramp up, uh, and we're working and continuing to strengthen our capability to accelerate these

Adrian Letts: Look, it is in line with our investment thesis. It is a little bit behind in terms of where we would like, but we are still incredibly positive on the business and see a big opportunity.

Um, and as the contracts ramped up over the next 12 months, we fully expect to flow through to earnings, uh, and cash flow. So look, it's it's in line with our investment thesis, it's a little bit behind in terms of where we'd like, but you know, we're still incredibly positive on the business and see a big opportunity.

Devin Dodge: Okay. That is a really good color. I appreciate that. Second question, Brand Safeway. I think the letter to unitholders mentioned a repositioning of the business towards higher growth markets. Just wondering if you could provide a bit more color behind that initiative and how easily you can pivot the business toward those markets.

Okay, that's a really good color. I appreciate that. Um,

Adrian Letts: Yeah. So, Devin, I will take that one again. Look, lower expected volumes across all segments, particularly in the rental business, which is higher margin. North American industrials are recovering, but the commercial markets remain soft. We do see pockets of opportunity. We have begun to reposition the business to strengthen the regional focus, and we are starting to see some upturn, although it is early. Management is really focused on executing the transformation plan. Pricing continues to be a bit challenging in the market given some demand challenges and volume softness. We expect to continue through the second half of the year. But as we start to reposition into some of the growth markets we see, we do see some cautious optimism towards the interim next year.

Second question. Uh brand Safeway, I think the letter to unit holders mentioned, a repositioning of the business towards higher growth. Markets just wondering if you could provide a little bit more color behind that initiative and how easily it can, you know, that you can pivot the business toward those markets.

Yeah, so Devin, I'll take that 1 again, um, look lower expected, volumes than than across all segments, uh, particularly in the rental business, uh, Which is higher margin, uh, and north in North American and Industrials. Uh, are recovering, but the commercial markets remain soft. We do see pockets of opportunity. Uh, We've begun to reposition the business to strengthen the regional Focus. Um, and we're starting to see some upturn, although it's early. Um, management is really focused on executing the transformation, plan pricing continues to be a bit challenging in, in the, in the, in the market, given some demand, um, challenges and volume softness. We expect to continue through the second half of the year, but as we start to reposition and to, some of the

Growth markets. We do see some cautious optimism towards the inter next year.

Devin Dodge: Okay. Great. Thanks for that. I'll turn it over.

Okay, great. Thanks for that. I'll turn it over.

Operator: Our next question comes from Gary Ho with Desjardins.

Gary Ho: Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions, a few high-level ones here for me. Maybe start with Anuj Ranjan. I listened in on one of your recent interviews, and you mentioned leveraging AI to improve productivity in your businesses, improving margins of those businesses. I think some of the examples you gave were automation, customer service, robotics. I am wondering if I can pick your brain on several of these larger projects you have ongoing in your portfolio, maybe highlighting ones that have more meaningful financial impact or provide a bit more competitive moat or strengthen your market positions in those assets.

Our next question comes from Gary hoe with Deja Adam.

Anuj Ranjan: Sure. Hi, Gary. Yes, we definitely see AI as a great tool. Stepping back, we've always bought leading industrial businesses and improved their margins of operations, and AI is another tool in that toolkit to do it in a much more dramatic way and much faster. In terms of use cases, to be honest, there's probably 700 use cases right now that we're running across the portfolio, so it's pretty vast and pretty large. I can talk about a couple that are more higher impact in a few of our bigger operations. In Clarios, we've been implementing a way to optimize order intake, so have an executable shipment plan to all our servicing plans while optimizing service performance. In this, we automated the analysis of a lot of business processes. We've had millions of dollars saved from customer service penalties.

So I think some of the examples you gave were automation customer service. Robotics. I I'm, I'm wondering if I can pick your brain on kind of several of these larger projects. You have ongoing in your portfolio. Maybe highlighting, uh, ones that have more meaningful Financial impact or provide a bit more, um, kind of competitive mode or, uh, strengthen your Market positions in, in those assets.

Anuj Ranjan: We've had a 10% improvement in the quantity that we can fulfill, 14% improvement in overall service performance. So that's been pretty meaningful. We're also working on a larger scale automation in terms of robotics that we could fit into some of our manufacturing facilities as well. In Everise, where we've been quite a leader, we've enabled automated AI-driven agent recruiting, screening, hiring, and training for our operations at scale. Just keeping a reminder that this business employs over, I think, 14,000 people, so there's quite a bit of HR work that you can automate. We reduced training time there by about 20%. We've reduced the cost of hiring an FTE by about 40%, and we've increased the speed to offer hire across five different countries by about five times. So that's another example.

Sure. Hi Gary. Um so yes we definitely see AI as a, as a great tool, stepping back. Um, we've always bought leading industrial businesses and improve their margins with operations, and AI is another tool in that toolkit to do it in a much more dramatic way. And a much faster in terms of use cases to be honest, there's probably 700 use cases right now that we're running a cross the portfolio, so it's pretty vast and pretty large. Uh, I can talk about a couple that are, um, more higher impact in a few of our bigger operations, um, and clarios we've been implementing a way, uh, to optimize order intake. So have an executable shipment plan while our servicing plans will optimizing service performance. Uh, in this, we automated the analysis of a lot of business processes and, you know, we've had millions of dollars of saved from customer service penalties. We've had a 10% Improvement in the quantity that we can fulfill 14% Improvement in overall service performance so that's been pretty meaningful. Um, we're also working on a larger scale, uh,

Anuj Ranjan: We've done similar things with CDK, where we launched AVA, which is Artificial Intelligence Virtual Assistant, in our core software offerings, which helps dealers do more quick conversational responses to consumers in real time, answers every call, schedules appointments, uses intuitive conversations, speaks 50 languages, and has a GPT-like experience for customers. We've got four times the increase in touch points per lead. We have a 47% increase in sales calls per lead and overall improved the dealer experience. The last one I touch on is Nielsen, where we've been able to reduce the manual effort required in video segmentation of our ad intelligence operations, and we've been able to reduce costs and labor. We've shifted away from manual video coding, which was done by 1,000 people. We've accelerated some market launches, and we've also enhanced the data quality.

Automation in terms of Robotics that we could, uh, fit into some of our manufacturing facilities as well. Um, in everise where we've been quite a leader. Uh, We've enabled automated AI driven agent, recruiting screening, hiring and training for our operations at scale. Um, just keep them remind a reminder that this business employees, uh, you know, over to, I think, 14,000 people. So, there's, there's quite a bit of HR work that you can automate, we reduce training time there by about 20%. Um, we've reduced, uh, about a 40. We've reduced the cost of hiring an FTE by about 40% and we've increased the speed to offer our higher across 5 different countries by about 5 times. Um, so that's another another example, uh, we've done similar things with cdk where we launched Ava, which is artificial intelligence, virtual assistant and our core software offerings which helps dealers do a more quick. Uh, conversational responses, to consumers in real time answers every call schedules, appointments, uses intuitive.

Conversations speaks, 50 languages and has a gbt like experience for, uh, customers. Uh, we've got 4 times, the increase in touch points. Um, per lead, uh, we have a 47% increase in sales calls per lead and overall improve the dealer experience. And, uh, I think the last 1 I touch on is Nielsen, um, where we've uh, been able to reduce the manual effort required in video video, segmentation of our ad intelligence operations

Anuj Ranjan: This is about $10 million in annual run rate cost savings that we're projecting, and it achieves about an 80% accuracy across the segments. It's more faster. It's more scalable. Client delivery, you know, down to days versus two plus months to do the same thing before. These are just a few kind of like, I guess, key case studies, but I'd just say that there's hundreds and hundreds of more of these across the portfolio.

Gary Ho: That's great. Thanks for providing the color there. Second one I have, now that the one big beautiful bill signed, have your team kind of done some work on the potential read-through deposit of negatives? Obviously, you have the 45X. If you can elaborate on the status and what you hope to receive at Clarios. Then second, how does the accelerated depreciation kind of impact some of your businesses in the U.S.?

And uh, we've been able to reduce cost and labor. We've shifted away from manual video coding which was done by 1,000 people. Uh, We've accelerated, some Market launches and we've also enhanced the data quality, this is about 10 million dollars in annual run rate cost savings that were projecting, um, and it achieves about an 80% accuracy, uh, across the segments. Uh, it's more faster. It's more scalable, uh, client delivery. You know, down to days versus, uh, 2 plus months to do the same thing before. So these are just uh, a few kind of like, I guess key case studies. But um I just say that there's there's hundreds and hundreds of more of these across the portfolio.

Jaspreet Dehl: Hi, Gary. It's Jaspreet. I'll take that. The team's kind of working through all of the provisions in the big beautiful bill. I'm sure you know, it's like 1,000 pages, so we're still going through it. But I'd say overall, our assessment is that it's going to be a net positive. There's a number of tax changes or extensions that are being provided. You mentioned the bonus depreciation. So specifically for our industrial businesses in the U.S., and we've got a number of them, Clarios being the largest, but DexKo, now Antylia Scientific, that should help all of those businesses with the accelerated depreciation. They're restoring the deduction on R&D, and that'll be helpful to CDK.

That's great. No thanks for providing, uh, the color there. Um, second 1, I have now, now that the 1, big, beautiful Bill signed, um, if your team kind of done some work on the potential, read through, uh, the positives and negatives. Obviously, you have the 45x if you can, elaborate on the status and what you hope to receive at clarios and the second, um, how to see accelerated depreciation, kind of impacts some of your businesses in the US.

Hey Gary, it's Jeffrey. I'll take that. Um, so the team is kind of working through all of the provisions in the, uh,

Jaspreet Dehl: Then I'd say across kind of most of the businesses, the enhancement to the deductibility of interest, I think, will also because a number of our businesses were capped on the interest deductibility, and that cap being increased is going to be helpful. So I'd say overall, while we're still kind of working through all of the details and the exact impact, we expect it's going to be net positive for our business. The second part of your question on 45X, we're still waiting on the check for last year's filing. Again, we're not expecting with the changes that were made with the bill that was passed, it's all positive, and it kind of keeps intact all of the benefits.

Um, and that'll be helpful to cdk, and then I'd say across, kind of, most of the businesses, um, the enhancement to the deductibility of interest. Um, I think we'll also because we a number of our businesses were capped on, um, the interest deductibility. And um, that capping increased is going to be helpful. So I'd say overall, um, we while we're still kind of working through all of the details and the exact impact we expect. It's going to be net positive for um our business.

Jaspreet Dehl: So we're not expecting that there's going to be any change in our filing or our entitlement to the tax benefit, and it's more of a matter of time to get it processed. I think a lot of the tax processing this year has been slower than normal. So we still expect, we fully expect that we will get paid. It's just a matter of time.

The second part of your question on 45 acts. So, um, now we're we're still waiting on, um, the uh, check for, uh, last year's filing. Um, and again, you know, we're not expecting, um, with the changes that were made, uh, with the, uh, bill that was passed. It's all positive. Um, and it kind of keeps intact all of the benefits. So we're not expecting that. There's going to be any change in our filing or, um, our entitlement to the tax benefit and it's more of a matter of time to um get it processed. And I think um a lot of the tax processing this year has been slower than normal. Um so we're still

Gary Ho: Okay, great. Thanks for that, Jaspreet. While I have you, it sounds like on the capital allocation, you are being committed to renewing your buyback later this month. We have seen your BBUC shares versus units spread blown out. Just remind me, you look at both structures economically the same, and any thoughts on narrowing that discount? I believe your IDR is tied to the units price and not the corporate shares?

Expect, uh, you know, we fully expect that we will get paid. It's just a matter of time.

Great. Thanks for that. Just to read, and then while I have you, it just sounds like, uh, on the capital allocation, you remain committed to renewing your buyback later this month. Um, we have seen your BBU shares versus unit spread blow out. Just remind me, you look at both structures economically the same? And any thoughts on narrowing that discount?

Jaspreet Dehl: Yes, that is right. The IDR is tied to the unit price. I think it is really, Gary Ho, a matter of just the market activity. From a buyback perspective, we have been buying back whatever is available in the market on both the units and the shares. As you are aware, there are limitations just on what we could buy on a daily or weekly basis with our trading volumes. So we have been buying back equally on both BBULP units as well as BBUC shares. I do not think the buyback is necessarily driving any of that discrepancy between the price of the units versus shares. The whole rationale for setting up BBUC was to attract a broader base of investors. We have had some net new investors buying into both the units and the shares, and maybe that explains some of it, the broadening of that premium.

I believe your R is tied to the units, price, and not the corporate shares.

Yes, that's right. The iDrive is tied to the unit price and, um, okay, I think it's really Gary. You have a matter of just the market activity, you know, from a buyback perspective. We've been buying back, uh, whatever is available in the market, on both the units and the shares, as you're um, aware. There's, you know, limitations just on what we could buy, um, on a daily or weekly basis, um, just with our, uh, trading volumes. So we've been buying back equally on both BVU, uh, LP units, as well as PVC shares. So, I don’t think the buyback is necessarily kind of driving any of that, um, um, you know, discrepancy between, uh, the price of the units versus shares. Um, but, you know, the whole rationale for, um, setting up Bebe.

Jaspreet Dehl: Look, I think the shares and the units have both been trending in a good direction. We are glad to see that. At these levels, we will continue our buyback program because it still is very accretive relative to intrinsic value.

Gary Ho: Okay. That all makes sense. Those are my questions. Thank you.

See was to attract kind of a broader base of investors. So um, you know, we we have had some net new uh investors uh buying into both the units and the shares and maybe that explains some of it. Um, the broadening of that premium. Um but uh look I I think this sure is in the units. Have both been trending in a good direction. Um so you know we're glad to see that. But also at these levels we'll continue our buyback program because it still is very creative relative to intrinsic value.

Okay, that all makes sense. Uh those are my questions, thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from Bart Jarski with RBC Capital Markets.

Jaeme Gloyn: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to talk about the secondary transaction. Could you give us some color as to how you decided on the three assets that were vended in versus, you know, say, other portfolio investments? How did those three come about?

Our next question comes from Bart Jarki with RBC Capital Markets.

Hi, good morning, thanks for taking my question. Um, just wanted to talk about the secondary transaction. Could you give us some color as to how you decided to, on the 3s that were vended in versus, you know, say other portfolio Investments. Like how how did those 3 come about?

Jaspreet Dehl: Hi, Bart. It's Jaspreet. Maybe I could get started, and then I can let Anuj add to it. We went through a process, and we identified investments where we had an outsized share through co-investment or others, and just the equity that we had invested in certain businesses where we would look and be open to selling down. We put a list together. We looked at valuations, and we had discussions with the team that's running the new front strategy. We set up a special committee of our board, an independent special committee of our board to oversee the process. The team that's looking after the Evergreen Fund strategy looked at the assets. They did a review based on the requirements of that fund and came back to us on which assets they would be open to buying from BBU.

Hi Bart. It's Jeffrey. Uh, maybe I could get started, and then I can let Anuj add to it.

Jaspreet Dehl: We had a valuation discussion and looked at where secondaries trade and ended up with the deal that we did. The independent committee of the board then hired financial advisors to do a third-party valuation around the fairness of the transaction. That's how we ultimately ended up with that 8.6% discount, which we think from a BBU perspective is very accretive, just given the fact that our units are trading at closer to a 50% discount relative to our view of NAV. Being able to monetize these assets at that 8.5% discount, getting that cash in the door and redeploying it, whether to buy back units, pay down debt, or fund future growth into new investments where we think we could earn a higher return, we thought was very good for BBU.

Um, and we set up a special Committee of our Board of an independent special, Committee of our board, um, to oversee the process. Um, the retail, uh, the team that's looking after the, um, um, The Evergreen fund strategy, you know, they, they looked at the assets. They did a review based on, uh, kind of the requirements of that fund and, um, came back to us on, you know, which assets they would be open to, um, um, buying from BBU. And, um, we had a valuation discussion and looked at kind of where secondaries trade and, uh, ended up kind of with the deal that we did. Um, the independent, uh, Committee of the board then hired, you know, financial advisors to do a third-party evaluation around the fairness of the transaction. Um, and that's how we kind of ultimately ended up with that.

8.6% discount, which we think from a BBU perspective is very accretive, just given the circumstances.

Jaspreet Dehl: We are going to continue to, these are still businesses that we like and we have a lot of conviction around, and we've retained significant ownership in all of them. We've only sold down part of our ownership. We expect that we'll continue to participate in the upside of these businesses through our retained ownership.

You know, the fact that our units are trading at closer to a 50% discount relative to our view of nav. Um, so being able to monetize these asset at that, um, 8 and a half percent discount, um, getting that cash in the door and redeploying it. Um, whether to buy back units, pay down debt or, you know, find Future growth, um, into new Investments where we think we could earn a higher return. Um, we thought it was very good for BBU. Um, and, you know, we're going to continue to like these are, these are still businesses that we like, and we have a lot of conviction around. And we're we've retained, um, you know, significant ownership in all of them. So we've only sold down, you know, part of our ownership. Um, so, you know, we expect that we'll continue to participate in the upside of these businesses through our retained ownership,

Gary Ho: Very helpful. Thank you. If I could just follow up on the mark. The 9% discount to NAV, totally agree that it is highly accretive to your unit. When we look at secondary pricing, pricing improved last year to about 6%, call it. I would think BBU, with your alpha generated versus other buyout players over the long term, would probably warrant a smaller discount. Can you just help us understand how that 9% was sort of calibrated and triangulated against what you are seeing in the market?

Very helpful. Thank you. And if I could just follow up on the, on the mark. So the the 9% discount to nav, totally agree. That it is, highly agreed up to your unit. When when we look at secondary pricing like pricing improved last year to about 6% call it and you know I would think BBU with your Alpha generated versus other bio uh players over. The long term would probably warrant a smaller discount so can you just help us understand like how that 9% was sort of calibrated and trying?

Jaspreet Dehl: Yeah. I'd say there's a wide kind of range of discounts that secondaries trade at, and it's based on a lot of different factors. You know, the age of the investments are kind of where they are on the maturity scale, the types of businesses, the control versus not, the vintage of the funds. So there's a lot of factors that go into the discounts, and I'd say the discounts vary quite a bit. Broadly, if you look over the years, about a 10% discount on average is pretty normal. You might have a year where there were particular transactions that narrowed the discount a little bit, and there are years where it's been significantly wider. Based on kind of a lot of the work that we did, we were quite comfortable that around that 10% range is quite a normal kind of discount for secondary trades.

Related against what you're seeing in the market.

Yeah, I I see there's, um, you know, there's a, there's a wide kind of range of discounts that secondary trade at, um, and it's based on a lot of, uh, different factors, the um, age of the Investments and kind of where they are on the maturity scale, the types of businesses, um, the, uh, you know, the control, uh, versus not, um, the Vintage of the funds. So, there, there's a lot of factors that go into, um, the discounts and it's a, the discounts vary quite a bit. But broadly, if you look over the years, um, you know, about a 10% discount on average is pretty normal. Um, you know, you might have a year where there was a particular transactions that narrowed the discount a little bit. Um and there are years where it's been significantly, uh, wider

Gary Ho: Awesome. Thanks, Jaspreet.

Um, but based on, kind of a lot of the work that we've we did, um, you know, we were quite comfortable that around that 10% range is quite a normal, um, kind of discount for secondary trades.

Jaspreet Dehl: Thank you.

Awesome. Thanks Jeffrey.

Operator: Our next question comes from Jaeme Gloyn with National Bank Financial.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Jamie Cloyne with National Bank Financial.

Jaeme Gloyn: Thanks. Just wanted to follow up on that theme on the secondary, and you talked about significant demand in secondaries increasing over the past several years. Just curious as to the decision to place it with BAM, and are you receiving other inbounds? Is it a case of the bid ask is too wide or the discount's too wide, I should say, from other third-party players? Again, walk us through how this increase in secondary demand is starting to or has been flowing through into the BBU businesses that you might look to monetize.

Thanks. Um, I just wanted to follow up on that theme on the secondary market, and you talked about significant demand in secondaries increasing over the past several years. I'm just curious as to...

You know, the decision to place it with the, uh, with Bam and, you know, are you receiving other inbounds? Is it a case of, uh, you know, the bid-ask is too wide, or the discount's too, too wide, I should say.

Anuj Ranjan: Thanks for the question. It is Anuj Ranjan here. I would not say that we were actively looking to monetize through secondary transactions at the time that we did this, although perhaps that could change in the future. The opportunity arose, and it was quite a unique opportunity for BAM or Brookfield with its brand, its capability, and its reach in the retail wealth markets to be able to provide something that we thought was quite accretive to our shareholders and at probably a better discount to NAV than what we felt could be achieved in the broader secondary markets, just based on our analysis, given some of the criteria that Jaspreet Dehl mentioned earlier about timing of investments, how close they are to liquidity otherwise, and things like that. It was more opportunistic, but there is definitely a growing secondary market. It is well established.

Flying through into the BBU businesses that you might look to, uh, to monetize.

Thanks for the question. It's new here. Um,

I wouldn't see that we were actively, uh, looking to, uh, monetize through secondary transactions. The time that we did this, although perhaps that could change in the future, um.

Anuj Ranjan: There are opportunities outside of this as well to explore secondaries if we chose to. We just were not actively looking at that at the time that we came across this opportunity.

Jaeme Gloyn: Good. Understood. Shifting into the operations, looking at the other business services line, nice step up in growth there. Can you talk to some of the organic drivers and businesses that are supporting that result in the other business services segment?

The opportunity arose, and it was, uh, quite a unique opportunity for, uh, you know, bam or Brookfield with its brand, its capability and its reach and the retail wealth markets to be able to provide something that we thought was, uh, is quite a creative to our shareholders and that, uh, probably a better discount than have, than what we felt could be achieved in the in the broader secondary markets, just based on our analysis, given some of the, uh, criteria that just we mentioned earlier about timing of Investments, how close they are to liquidity, otherwise, uh, and things like that. So, um, so it was more opportunistic. Uh, but there is definitely a growing secondary Market as well established. Um, there are, you know, opportunities, you know, outside of this as well to explore second areas if we chose to we just weren't um, actively looking at that. At the time that we uh, we came across this opportunity.

Jaspreet Dehl: It is Jaspreet. Just a couple of things. The biggest impact is probably coming through from our construction operations. You might recall last year, we had a couple of projects in Australia that were quite challenged and had some cost overruns. We booked those cost overruns through EBITDA, and the business has now completed those projects, and they are behind us. Overall, the book at our construction business is quite good. All the projects are performing well, and you are seeing kind of normalized EBITDA performance come through. I would say just that year-over-year depressed performance last year versus a more normalized performance this year is accounting for that increase. Broadly, some of the other businesses are also marginally better, and some of that is offset by the sale of our road fuels operations business.

Got understood, um, shifting into the, uh, the, the operations, uh, looking at the other business services line, uh, nice Step Up in growth there, uh, can you, can you talk to some of the uh, organic drivers and businesses that are, uh, that are supporting that result in the other business services segment?

Yeah, uh, it's just pretty, um, see just a couple of things. The biggest impact is probably coming through from our construction operations. So you might recall, um, last year, um, we had a couple of projects in Australia that were quite challenged and had some cost overruns.

Um so uh we we booked those costs over and through IBA um and you know the business is now completed those projects and they're behind us. And um overall the uh book at a construction business is quite good. All the projects are performing well and you're seeing kind of uh, you know, normalized, EBA performance comes through. So I'd say just that um, year-over-year, uh, depressed performance last year versus a more normalized performance. This year, um, is accounting for that increase and then, uh, it's a broadly, some of the other businesses also marginally better.

Jaspreet Dehl: That would have been in the results last year, and since we sold the business, it is not in our results this year.

Um, and some of that is offset by the sale of our road fuels operations business. So that would have been in the results last year and um it'll uh since we sold the business, it's not in our results this year.

Jaeme Gloyn: On the buybacks, or I guess, you know, maybe a broader capital allocation question here as well too. I believe you had mentioned targeting $250 million of share buybacks. I think that was in 2025. Maybe just refresh me on that previous guidance, and does it still hold? The second question around this is, how are you viewing the Brookfield preferred share and paydown of corporate borrowings as part of the use of this liquidity today that is, I believe, it is at all-time highs for BBU?

okay, um, on the, uh,

On the buyback, sir.

Broader Capital application question here as well too. But um, I I believe you. You mentioned targeting 250 million of share BuyBacks. I think that was in 2025, maybe just refresh me on that.

Previous guidance and, uh, and does it still hold? And then, um, you know, the, the the second question around this is, you know, how are you viewing the, the Brookfield preferred share and then, you know, pay down of, uh, of corporate borrowings as part of the, the use of this, uh,

Jaspreet Dehl: Yeah. So I think we've always talked about kind of our capital allocation priorities in three buckets, paying down the corporate leverage just so that we can continue to have flexibility at the BBU level to fund the growth of the business and not have our bridge facilities or our CFs kind of fully drawn. The second is around funding growth of the business when we see good opportunities to make accretive acquisitions. Then finally, at the current kind of trading price, repurchases continue to be very good use of capital for us just because they're so accretive to underlying intrinsic value. So those are still kind of our three priorities, and I'd say we've progressed on all three this year. We paid down our corporate line by about $1 billion. With the first national announcement, that'll be kind of the third acquisition for BBU.

Liquidity today, that is, I believe it’s at like all-time highs for Brookdale or for BBU.

Yeah. So I think we've always talked about kind of our, you know, Capital allocation priorities and 3 buckets, um, paying down the corporate leverage, um, just so that we can continue to have flexibility, um, at the BBU level to, uh, you know, fund the growth of the business and not have, um, our, uh, Bridge.

Facilities are our CFS kind of fully drawn. Um, the second is around, uh, funding growth of the business when we see, you know, good opportunities to make accretive, uh, acquisitions. Um, and then finally, at the current kind of trading price, um, repurchases continue to be, you know, a very good use of capital for us, um, just because they're so accretive to underlying intrinsic value. So those are still kind of our three priorities. And it says we've progressed on all three this year.

Jaspreet Dehl: On each of the acquisitions, we've committed $150 to $200 million. So I mean decent size to continue to fund growth. Then specifically on your question on repurchases, at these trading levels, it makes a lot of sense to continue to buy back. You're exactly right. It was a $250 million repurchase program that we announced earlier this year. We've now bought back $160 million on that $250, and we are at the point where we're bumping up against kind of our NCIB or nominal cost issuer bid limits. That NCIB will renew mid-August, and when that renews, we'll continue the buyback program. So we're still committed to that $250.

Our corporate line is down by about a billion dollars. We've made our first national announcement, which will be kind of the third acquisition for BVU. On each of the acquisitions, we've committed $150 million to $200 million, so, I mean, you know, it's a decent size to continue to fund growth. And then, specifically on your question about repurchases, at these trading levels, it makes a lot of sense to continue to buy back. You're exactly right. It was a $250 million repurchase program that we announced earlier this year. We've now bought back $160 million on that $250 million.

Jaeme Gloyn: Okay. Just a quick comment on the prep share?

And, uh, we are at the point where we're bumping up against, uh, kind of our ncib or normal Coast issuer, uh, bid limits, uh, but that, um, ncib will renew mid August and when that renews, um, you know, we'll continue, uh, the buyback program. So we're, we're still committed to that 250.

Jaspreet Dehl: Yeah. So the prep shares, we paid half of them down, and we have still got the other half outstanding. Brookfield does have BN, Brookfield Corporation does have the right to ask for a redemption of those shares from either equity issuances or monetization activity. So, you know, that is an ongoing dialogue that we have with Brookfield. But, as you know, they are very supportive and our largest shareholder. So, we will continue to have those discussions as we continue to kind of generate proceeds. But I would say, you know, the priorities for capital allocations are kind of the things that I laid out.

Okay. And and just a quick comment on the pressure.

Jaeme Gloyn: Got it. You said last one. Jaspreet, can you just refresh? I noticed in the letter there are a couple of nice refinancing transactions, the operating companies' levels. Can you just refresh where we are on, let us say, a debt maturity schedule, you know, although the rates of upcoming maturities compared to the current environment, just a comment on that for the operating companies?

Um, yeah, so the pref shares we paid half of them down, um, and we've still got the other half outstanding. Um, Brookfield just does have will be in Brookfield. Corporation does have the right to, um, ask for a Redemption of those shares from, um, either Equity issuances or monetization activity. So, you know, that is an ongoing, uh, dialogue that we have with, uh Brookfield, but, you know, as you know, there are very supportive and our largest shareholder. Um, so, you know, we'll continue to have those discussions as we continue to kind of generate proceeds, uh, but I see, you know, the priorities for Capital allocations are kind of the things that I laid out.

You said last 1 just uh, just can you?

Can you just refresh? I, I noticed in the letter, there's a couple of nice refinancing transactions. Uh, the, the operating companies levels can you, um, can you just refresh where we are on, uh, on? Let's say a debt maturity schedule, uh, you know how the the rates of upcoming maturities compared to current environment,

Jaspreet Dehl: Sure. So we don't have really any large-scale debt maturities in the next 12 months. We've gotten ahead of all of those maturities. The debt that is maturing over the next 12 months is all kind of more of the operating company debt. So if you think of a business like Litroben Australia, where we've got debt to fund the mortgage loans that they make, those are maturing and get refinanced on a regular basis. If you think about any of the debt in our larger businesses, there's nothing maturing over the next 12 months. We've been very proactive in pushing out any of our debt maturities. Most recently, we did two refinancings. One was at Modulair, where our debt was maturing in 2028. The technicals just around the debt markets have been very positive. So we decided to extend the maturity on that debt out another three years.

Just a comment on that for the operating companies.

Sure. Um, so we don't have really any large-scale debt maturities in the next 12 months. We've gotten ahead of, you know, all of those maturities. The things, the, the debt that is maturing over the next 12 months is all kind of more of the operating company debt. So, if you think of, you know, business like literal in Australia. Yeah, where we've got, um, debt to fund our, uh, the mortgage loans that they make. So those are, um, maturing and get refinanced on a regular basis. But if you think about kind of any of the debt in our larger businesses, there's nothing maturing over the next, uh, 12 months. Um, we've been very proactive, um, in pushing out any of our debt maturities, you know, most recently, um, we did, uh, 2 refined

Jaspreet Dehl: We also did a refinancing at Clarios for debt that was maturing in 2027, and that maturity has now been pushed out five years. We also did something a little bit more opportunistic at Chemelex, where we were able to reprice the spread on our debt. The debt was priced at SOFR plus 350, and we were able to narrow that spread to SOFR plus 300. That'll be a nice interest expense savings for the business. We're very active. We stay on top of our debt maturities. The average weighted maturity in the portfolio is close to six years, just shy of six years now.

Things 1 was that modular um where our debt was maturing in 2028. But um, you know, the technicals just around the debt markets have been very positive. Um, so we decided to uh, extend the maturity on that debt. Um, out another 3 years,

And then, um, we also did, um, refinancing at Clario for a debt that was maturing in 2027. Um, and that maturity has now been pushed out 5 years. Um, we also did something a little bit more opportunistic at Klax.

Operator: We have got quite a bit of our debt hedged as well. We feel pretty good about kind of managing the debt within the businesses.

Alan Fleming: Great. Thank you very much.

That within the businesses.

Great, thank you very much.

Anuj Ranjan: That concludes today's question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back to Anuj Ranjan for closing remarks.

That concludes today's question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Anuj Ranjan for closing remarks.

Adrian Letts: Thank you all for joining. We will see you next quarter.

Anuj Ranjan: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

Thank you all for joining, and we'll see you next quarter.

Today's conference call.