Q2 2025 Saga Communications Inc Earnings Call

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Good day and welcome to Saga Communications second quarter earnings release conference. Call at this time, all participants have been placed on. Listen only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host. Chris forgi president and CEO at Saga Communications sir. The floor is yours.

Thank you, Paul.

And thank you to everyone who has taken the time to join saga's, 2025 Q2 earnings call.

As always, we appreciate your continued, support your interests.

And your participation in Saga Communications, what we believe is the best media company on the planet. Before my remarks, I will turn the floor over to Sam for our introduction Sam.

Thank you, Chris.

As a reminder, this call will contain forward-looking statements about our future performance and results of operations that involve risks and uncertainties, as described in the risk factor section of our most recent Form 10-K. This call will also contain a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures, with reconciliation for all the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure, which is attached in the selected financial data tables. And now, Chris, on with the show.

Thank you, Sam. You, you probably remember Sam during the most recent Saga board meeting, uh, the board of directors meeting. I received a text from Matt Bond. Matt serves a saga's director of innovation and growth and leads in overseas saga's transformational dig digital strategy that you've heard so much about. We call it Blended advertising.

In the text, Matt shared with me an experience. He and the team in 1 of our Saga markets were navigating through and this single client represented an opportunity to win 1.3 million dollars annually.

Although although this type of account is a typical we refer to this type of customer as a whale and whales frankly, they're very complex beasts.

Our opportunity to win this business was created in part by the failure of another broadcast company to deliver and fulfill the customer's needs.

And by the relationship, our market manager had developed with this customer

The fact of the matter is they trusted us to perform.

So, long story short, the problems that existed with this poor performance of The Campaign.

Were not of our doing, but of the result of poor performance of other third-party providers. The customer was using

And a road map on how to fix them.

The customer left the meeting, knowing their third party providers.

Were the problem.

But more importantly, they now had a partner.

A partner in Saga who had identified the issues and how to fix them and Matt's words, they trust us implicitly.

As they all left, the meeting. The customer was talking about an additional campaigns and AD buys they wanted us to put together for them.

This account alone has the potential, this time next year, to be a $150,000 a month account.

Most 2, quote, unquote know digital could not have navigated this meeting.

In fact, this client had already fired 1 broadcast, who knew digital

it is only because of saga's training and teaching of its leaders and media advisers over the past year and a half that we could have even had a seat at the table to discuss this type of money.

Let alone win the money and then Coach the client on how to fix issues, they were experiencing with other third-party providers.

I read the entire text to our board of directors at this Saga board of directors meeting and their response was this

Chris, what do you and your team need to run faster and more efficiently?

You see, this is a board who sees the opportunity.

And supports Management's efforts to accomplish to accomplish something that some have said.

Can't be done.

I guess we'll see.

In a moment, Sam will share details of saga's Q2 and 6-month 2025 performance.

Are we delighted with where our we are today? No, not at all.

We should be doing better. But this isn't the 90s or early 2000s where you can see that new grocery store chain is open in your market and you go out and sell a big schedule, a remote and some Antiquated promotion that has been done a hundred times and get a windfall of cash.

It just doesn't happen that way.

We are now playing in the modern ever ever, ever evolving, uh, digital age.

It's now much more sophisticated and requires skills and abilities to play—and to play fast.

And we are extremely optimistic.

We're looking ahead to the near future.

As you know, Saga still has 27 million dollars in cash and short-term Investments on hand and as a plan that is being forged and gaining traction.

Saga's, digital culture continues to continues to grow year-over-year, quarter over quarter and month-to-month.

Increments.

Also our digital percentage of total. Net revenue is also increased quarter over quarter from 13.6% to 15.6%.

And recently, one of our few select third-party digital partners referred to Saga as one of their leading and fastest growing digital channel partners.

recently, I heard a quote that I think is appropriate, not only for Saga, but for everyone listening

it says those forged by the fire of adversity, become living symbols of unbreakable will

ladies and gentlemen, the traditional broadcast verticals that have carried us for years of challenging the best.

And we're seeing signs that some of these traditional Revenue, verticals will return.

But the degree to, which they will return as well as the timing of those returns really remains to be seen.

The truth is we have to sell our way out of this macro downdraft and refuse the urge to cut our way out.

Where you're left with a shell of an organization with less people less products, no process, no culture and no performance.

I've said it before. I'll say it again. Money comes from customers.

We're going to continue to produce great content that works and continue to provide service to community and create an on-air atmosphere conducive to the success of our Media Partners.

To do this. We must have talented well-trained, media, advisers who are equipped to help these advertisers navigate through fragmented and confusing Marketplace, or a gap exists when Tech meets human behavior.

A Marketplace full of frustrated, buyers with unmet needs a marketplace with more available money than we've ever known.

And a Marketplace that is right for disruption.

This all takes time. Money, commitment and a resolve like no other

so,

What do we need to go faster?

Reduce unnecessary operating expenses to be more nimble.

Reinvest in research and development, and in our people.

To help them earn the trust of our advertising Partners in the digital space.

All the while continuing to bring value to our shareholders, through a creative Acquisitions Capital Management and capital allocation.

I've often thought of currently in it, in its current state in essence as a cash positive startup.

We iterate and iterate again, with speed, not wasting time or money.

And we fail fast.

And when we succeed, we reinvest to become even faster.

We repeat the good and eliminate the not so good.

by being Nimble, it allows us when 1 of saga's, markets experienced material success, like the example of the whale I cited earlier,

We're able to push that success and process.

Out to our other, 26 Saga markets and do it not now. But right now,

Sam, I'm going to turn it back over to you.

Thank you, Chris.

For the quarter, end of June 30th, 2025 net revenue decreased, 1.5 million or 5% to 28.2 million, compared to 29.7%.

Station operating expense decreased, 1.1 million, or 4.6%, to 22.2 million for the 3-month period.

For the quarter, we had an operating income of $1.4 million compared to $2.1 million last year. Station operating income, a non-GAAP measure, was $6 million for the quarter compared to $6.4 million for the same period last year.

Capital expenditures were 1.3 million for the quarter compared to 1.5 million for the second quarter. Last year, we had net income of 1.1 million for the quarter compared to 2.5 million for the same period last year.

On the same station basis, for the quarter end of June 30th, 2025 net revenue decreased 1.9 million, or 6.4%, to 27.6 million and station. Operating expense decreased, 1.5 million, or 6.4% to 21.7 million.

For the 6-month period ended June 30, 2025, net revenue decreased by $2.6 million, or 4.7%, to $52.4 million compared to $55 million last year.

Station operating expense decreased 1.6 million, our 3.4% to 44.2 million for the 6-month period.

For the 6-month period. We had an operating loss of 889,000 campaign compared to an operating loss of 274,000 last year.

Station operating income. Again, a non-gaap measure was 8.2 million for the 6-month period compared to 9.2 million for the same period last year.

Capital expenditures were $2 million for the 6-month period, compared to $2.6 million for the same period last year.

We had a net loss of 447,000 for the 6-month period compared to net income of 924,000 for the same period last year.

On a same-station basis for the six months ended June 30, 2025, net revenue decreased $3.6 million, or 6.5%, to $51.2 million, and station operating expenses decreased 5.7% to $43 million.

Reflecting on operating expenses. It was good to see the 4.6% decrease in station operating expenses for the second quarter and the 3.4% decrease for the 6-month period.

This was largely the result of an increase in operating expenses of approximately 390,000 for the Lafayette acquisition. For the quarter and 1 million for the 6-month period, as well as it to keep decrease in same stations operating expenses of approximately 1.5 million for the quarter and 2.6 million. For the 6-month period. The decrease in same station. Expenses was primarily due to a reduction in compensation and compensation related expenses digital service.

Services expenses as we are now doing some of our digital ad placement in house and bad debt expenses.

Corporate expenses, increased 70,000 for the quarter and 154,000 for the 6 months into June 30th 2025.

This did include an 89,000 expense in the quarter and 199,000 expense for the 6-month period relating to a potential proxy contest. Initiated by stock saw the shareholder. In addition to these expenses, there was also a lot of valuable time investing in working through the decision.

the decrease in other operating expense, for the 6 months ended June 30th 2025 compared to the same period in 2024 is primarily due to the sale of a non-productive AM station along with 2 translations in Asheville, North Carolina and the shutting down of a non-productive AM station in Bellingham Washington in 2024

In addition to what Chris has already said and we'll talk more about shortly. I want to point out that for the quarter total interactive Revenue was up 7% and for the 6-month period up 10% with a 58% profit margin for the quarter and 55%. For the 6-month period excluding sales commissions for the quarter and for the year.

while still in its infancy, from a total dollar standpoint, our online news initiative Revenue, which rolls up into our interactive numbers grew by 26% for the quarter and 51% for the 6-month period compared to 2024

E-commerce revenue, which rolls up into our local direct numbers, grew by 17% for the second quarter and is up 8% for the six-month period.

Facing for the third quarter is currently showing improvement over q1 and Q2 is results.

For the third quarter, we are currently facing down approximately 1%. Although we are seeing Improvement inside the quarter as well with September pacing up 1.5% as of now.

Obviously, you know that these numbers fluctuate daily.

Excluding political we are facing flat for the last year.

A flat with last year for third quarter.

Last year we had 312,000, 287,000, and 680,000 in political for the first second and third quarter respectively.

Fourth quarter will be more of a revenue Challenge from a political perspective. As we had almost 2 million in political revenue for the quarter in 2024.

As Chris indicated, our interactive pacing is strong for the third quarter being up 40% as of now. Also, as of now we are seeing improve it, I'll be it, not everything we want but still improve it in our traditional broadcasting Revenue categories as well.

For the third quarter of the local direct is pacing down. 4.4% local agency is pacing down 0.8%. And National is the outlier placing down 19.1%. However, this year, we are seeing National come in later in the quarter than it ever has previously done.

The company paid a quarterly dividend of $0.25 per share on June 27, 2025. The total dividend paid was approximately $1.6 million.

To date. Saga has paid over 138 million in dividends to shareholders since the first special dividend with dividend was paid in 2012.

As well as we have bought back over 58 million in Saga stock.

Further, as part of our overall capital allocation plan for 2025, Saga has stated in the press release that it has entered into non-binding negotiations to sell some of our tower sites.

it is anticipated that these negotiations if concluded and we expect they will be will result in proceeds from the sale in the high 7 figure or low 8 figure range and close before the end of the third quarter,

We are also assessing the potential sale of other non-core assets, with the intent to use a portion of the proceeds from these sales to fund stock buybacks. This may include open market repurchases, block trades, or other forms of buybacks.

All said, We Believe Saga is in a strong financial position to improve profitability as our digital initiatives. Improves both local radio and interactive Revenue.

become companies, balance sheet, reflects 24.9 million in cash and short-term Investments, as of June 30th, 2025 and 27.3 million as of August 4th 2025, which Chris has already commented on

We currently expect to spend between $3 million and $3.5 million for capital expenditures in 2025.

We currently expect our station. Operating expense will be decreasing by 2 to 3% for the year as compared to 2024.

This takes into consideration. The expense reductions we have and are making in addition to any costs incurred. As the expenses are reduced as well as our continued investment in the ongoing Revenue initiatives.

We continue to anticipate that the annual corporate General and administrative expense.

Will be approximately 12 million for 2025.

Compared to 12.6 million in 2020224.

And was that Chris? I'll turn it back over to you.

Part of that significant.

We're bringing several of our third party digital expenses in house to save money, increase margins, and really, to be more efficient.

We're also selectively utilizing AI solutions for things like digital reconciliation of of invoices and in the area of radio station voice and imaging.

We are realizing a quarter of a million dollars in annual savings by using voice-to-voice AI versus the third-party production providers we used previously.

These 2 examples saved employees jobs money and made us more efficient.

Reiteration reduced expenses reinvestment.

Research and development, Capital allocation, Capital Management and growth. That's the plan.

Thank you again for your time and interest and support of sage Communications.

What we believe to be the best media company on the planet.

Sam. Do we have any questions?

We did get a few questions Chris. Um, the the, the first 1 we did talk about Q3 pacing a little bit and, uh, and uh, obviously we will continue to let folks know as we see. We're facing goes as we go into the future. Then we got the question and and you and I talked about this last week. It says, in terms of your digital business, many continue to report strong indications for the growth of this business. Um, and we've already reported today, that we are seeing strong growth. We have strong growth in the second quarter. And we're seeing very strong pacing growth for the third quarter.

Uh, there is a second part to this question. Are you seeing any impact from customers on the recent decline in search traffic? And are there any implications of lower eyeballs to sites?

Well, I, I think part of that is a little bit of a misnomer Sam. I, there aren't less searches being done. Just more places to search. It's a little bit fragmented right now.

And when a client goes searching, it's it's, it's fragmented, um, as they go on the search.

Our goal is to make sure that we are there when they are searching and where they are searching. We're committed to doing that, whether it's on Google AI or social. We really want to meet them where they are.

Very good.

The last question we received is, can we talk about Capital allocations at this point and I referred to that in my comments, um, that we have looked in our in uh, non-binding negotiations to sell some of our tower sites, and we expect proceeds from that sale to be in the high 7 figure or low 8 figure range, we have a number of other somewhat smaller, um, potential sites that we are looking at, as well as other opportunities, uh, to sell non-core assets. And uh, we have committed at a board level and to our shareholders that we are looking at what we will do with the proceeds from this. And that some of the proceeds will go into stock BuyBacks as well as, uh, obviously continuing the quarterly dividend.

And with that, Chris, I think we're good. Paul, I'll turn it back over to you to wrap up.

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call, you may disconnect your phone lines at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.

Thank you, Paul.