Q2 2025 CES Energy Solutions Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day and welcome to the CES Energy Solutions second quarter 2025 results conference call and webcast. As a inder, all participants are to en only, mode and the conference is being recorded.
Speaker #1: After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal operator by pressing star then zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tony Aulicino, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #3: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for attending today's call. I'd like to note that in our commentary today, there will be forward-looking financial information and that our actual results may differ materially from the expected results, due to various risk factors and assumptions.
Speaker #3: These risk factors and assumptions are summarized in our second quarter NDNA and press release dated August 7th, 2025, and in our annual information form dated March 6th, 2025.
Speaker #3: In addition, certain financial measures that we will refer to today are not recognized under current general accepted accounting policies. And for a description and definition of these, please see our second quarter NDNA.
Speaker #3: At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Ken Zinger, our President and CEO.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Tony, and welcome, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the second quarter 2025 earnings call. On today's call, I will provide a brief summary of our financial results released yesterday, followed by an update on capital allocation, and then our divisional updates for Canada and the U.S., as well as our outlook for the remainder of 2025.
Speaker #4: I will then pass the call over to Tony to provide the detailed financial update we will take questions and then we wrap up the call.
Speaker #4: As always, I will start my comments today by highlighting some of the major financial accomplishments we achieved in Q2 of 2025. These highlights include quarterly revenue of $574 million dollars, which was three and a half percent higher than Q2 of 2024.
Speaker #4: Quarterly EBITDA of 88.3 million dollars, which represented a 15.4% margin. Total debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA was at 1.25 times at the end of Q2 2025, which was exactly at the midpoint of our targeted range of one to one and a half times.
Speaker #4: Cash conversion cycle days in Q2 of 112 days, also midpoint of our targeted range of 110 to 115 days. All-time record quarterly US revenue of 405.6 million dollars.
Speaker #4: Record revenue for our Q2 in Canada of 168.4 million dollars. I am pleased to report that as of July 18th, 2025, CES completed its stated goal of repurchasing the entire 19.2 million shares allowed under our prior NCIB.
Speaker #4: For 2025 and 2026, CES has once again renewed our NCIB for the full 10% of the public float, or 18.9 million shares. By way of updating our capital allocation plans, I am pleased to report the following.
Speaker #4: Consistent with our prior messaging, we intend to address the dividend once per year in Q4 or Q1 of each year, as evidenced by the recent 42.5% increase in dividend per share announced in March of 2025.
Speaker #4: We will continue to support the business with the necessary investments required to provide acceptable growth and returns, this includes anticipated CapEx in 2025 of 80 million dollars.
Speaker #4: We will continue to research and execute on strategic token acquisition opportunities interrelated business lines or geographies where we believe we can add value and grow returns.
Speaker #4: We once again intend to fully execute on our current NCIB of 18.9 million shares prior to expiry in July 2026. We will continue to target a debt level in the one to one and a half times debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA range.
Speaker #4: I will now move on to summarize Q2 performance overall and by division. Today, our rig count on North American land stands at 198 rigs out of the 702 listed as running currently.
Speaker #4: Representing an industry-leading North American market share of over 28.2%, I want to highlight that this is our highest market share ever. In Q2, 71% of CES revenue was generated in the United States and 29% in Canada.
Speaker #4: As previously noted, I will highlight again that our US revenue for Q2 2025 set a new all-time record as our highest US revenue quarter ever.
Speaker #4: In conjunction with this, our Canadian divisions set a new all-time record revenue for our quarter. We are very proud of this accomplishment, especially in light of the slowing activity throughout the year to date.
Speaker #4: As we have been referencing for the past few months, margins in the first half of 2025 were expected to be adversely affected by a variety of headwinds, the most notable being persistent tariff and counter tariffs uncertainty, which has caused significant restructuring of our supply chain as we attempt to purchase and manufacture as much as possible within the same country as it is being sold.
Speaker #4: Margins are also being affected by our current staffing versus revenue levels, as we have been aggressively hiring throughout our production chemical businesses in North American land, as well as offshore.
Speaker #4: These costs are showing up mainly in gross margin, as these are mostly field and warehouse staff. We are doing this in order to ensure staffing and supply capability should we win some of the larger tenders that we are currently in final stages of selection.
Speaker #4: We have been told to expect the results of these tenders over the next few months. Then will get to work to optimize headcounts as soon as we have certainty on the outcomes.
Speaker #4: We would expect the financial impact of these opportunities to begin showing up in late Q3 and into Q4. Should we be awarded this business?
Speaker #4: We will provide an update on these opportunities when we report in November. The Canadian drilling fluids division continues to lead the WCSB in market share.
Speaker #4: Today, we are providing service to 67 of the 177 jobs listed as underway in Canada, or a 37.8% market share. After a good start in Q1, the active drilling rig count in Canada throughout Q2 and so far in Q3 has been trending consistently lower than in 2024 by approximately 20% year over year.
Speaker #4: I will also note that our current rig count is only down by about 10% from 2024, versus 20% by the industry. Additionally, due to service intensity and the mix of well types being drilled, our overall Q2 revenue in Canada hit an all-time record for Q2.
Speaker #4: We remain very optimistic about the prospects for 2025, due to the completion and startup of infrastructure projects and their associated takeaway capacity. Although not immune from low oil prices, the WCSB is still in a very good position to weather any storm should it materialize.
Speaker #4: And of course, the basin is currently in a great position when it comes to natural gas. PureCem, our Canadian production chemical business, continued its run of very strong results in Q2.
Speaker #4: PureCem continued its impressive growth trajectory as all of the business lines performed at a high level. The revenue and earnings from our primary business, production treating, continue to drive growth in Canada, as we consistently strive to deliver superior products and service combined with competitive market pricing.
Speaker #4: Although we believe there may be pullback in completion activity in Canada during the second half of 2025, I will point out again that fracking remains an important but small contributor to our overall PureCem revenue.
Speaker #4: In the United States, AES, our US drilling fluids group, is providing chemistries and service to 131 of the 525 rigs listed as active in USA land market today.
Speaker #4: For a continually widening number one market share of U.S. land rigs at 25%, at AES, we truly believe we have a unique structure within the drilling fluid space in North America.
Speaker #4: We believe we have a superior technical capabilities, procurement teams, as well as manufacturing and distribution people and facilities, all of which are laser-focused on bringing value to our ustomers.
Speaker #4: The number of rigs drilling in the United States is down by seven and a half percent since we last reported in May. And also by seven and a half percent year over year.
Speaker #4: However, AES is actually up by four rigs year over year, or three percent. Currently, we enjoyed a basin leading 97 rigs out of the 259 listed as working in the Permian Basin, or 37 and a half percent of the market.
Speaker #4: Our highest share in this basin ever. I would also like note that AES completion services, formerly Hydrolite, continues to operate at a much higher level than when we acquired them.
Speaker #4: On June 1st, CES Energy Solutions closed a small deal to acquire fossil fluids in Oklahoma. Fossil is an impressive niche drilling fluids company that we knew very well.
Speaker #4: Their specialization in the increasingly attractive Cherokee Shale hybrid oil and gas play provides us with exposure to yet another growing basin. With alignment to the strong trends in the current natural gas environment, we are very happy to welcome owner Martin Kelly and all the employees of Fossil Fluids to our team here at CES Energy Solutions.
Speaker #4: Finally, our JChem Catalyst division continues its trend of growth during the past few years and into 2025. The division is focused on further market penetration in all areas in which they operate.
Speaker #4: JChem Catalyst has continued to invest in CapEx and personnel during the first half of the year in order to support its high activity levels, and also to support upcoming business opportunities.
Speaker #4: It is important to note that JChem's business, like PureCem's, is almost entirely leveraged to production-related spending by EMPs. And is therefore not as sensitive to the same activity-related uncertainty that upstream revenues can face.
Speaker #4: Recent and potential future RFP opportunities, along with some recent consolidation in the North American production chemical space, have us extremely optimistic about continuing our march toward being the number one provider of production chemistry and service to the entire United States land market.
Speaker #4: As previously noted, we are already the number one production chemical provider to the Permian Basin, and we are now taking steps and hiring specialists in order to become a relevant supplier in the Gulf of America as well.
Speaker #4: At this time, I would like to reiterate the confidence we have in the resilience of our business model in the face of the current market uncertainty.
Speaker #4: Our business is countercyclical and requires minimal CapEx, especially during times of disruption in our industry. Noteworthy as well is that in spite of the pullback in upstream activity, we are still experiencing revenue and opportunity growth in 2025.
Speaker #4: Therefore, our current strategy is a cautious focus on maintaining relationships with current clients and continuing to pursue potential new clients and markets. Our goal is to exit this short-term activity pullback in an even stronger position than when we entered it.
Speaker #4: And as history has shown, we have a solid record of achieving this stated goal, even through some of the worst financial times for our industry, like 2009, 2015, and 2020.
Speaker #4: Obviously, the somewhat sluggish market we are currently experiencing is no comparison to those years named. However, we believe we have tremendous torque in the business right now.
Speaker #4: And whenever U.S. upstream activity inevitably accelerates, we are in a strong position to once again benefit from this recovery. In the meantime, we continue to expect 2025 to be a year of growth, with 2026 looking even stronger as the oil market seems headed toward a more positive structure and natural gas demand continues to grow.
Speaker #4: With regard to USA tariffs and the suggested Canadian counter tariffs, these continue to have little to no direct effect on our business in their current state.
Speaker #4: However, we remain committed to the goal of restructuring our manufacturing and supply chains in order to minimize future exposures as much as possible. Where possible, we will manufacture products within the same country in which they are being sold.
Speaker #4: Although this is a long and complicated process, significant progress has already been made. We will continue with this strategy until we have insulated the business as much as possible from future tariff risks.
Speaker #4: I will state again for clarity that, as noted clearly on our Q1 call, the impact from tariffs announced to date is not material to our overall business.
Speaker #4: Finally, I want to comment that our business has never been stronger or healthier than it is today, and that we are uniquely positioned to not only weather these current market headwinds, but also to benefit from them as we have in the past.
Speaker #4: We intend to accomplish this by utilizing our NCIB to strategically repurchase and cancel shares at what we believe is currently an attractive multiple. At the same time, we will also be supporting our current business and customers while keeping a watchful eye out for more token-type consolidation wherever we see value.
Speaker #4: As always, I want to extend my appreciation to each and every one of our employees for their commitment to the business, culture, and success of CES.
Speaker #4: Due to the growth, we are still experiencing, as well as the growth we anticipate experiencing, we have increased our total number of employees at CES from 2,530 on January 1st of this year to 2,692 at the end of Q2.
Speaker #4: Although there may be more uncertainty in the markets today, we continue to position ourselves to provide the same industry-leading support to our customers for business we currently have direct line of sight on.
Speaker #4: With that, I'll pass the call to Tony for the financial update.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Ken. CES's financial results set a new second quarter record for revenue and demonstrated a continuation of strong adjusted EBITDA funds flow from operations, and high-quality earnings.
Speaker #3: Despite typical Q2 seasonality, lower rig count, and WTI price-related end market volatility. These results underpin the unique resilience CES's consumable chemicals business model, as our customers continue to adopt chemical-related improved efficiencies and require higher treatment levels for increasingly prolific wells.
Speaker #3: CES continued to effectively deploy strong surplus cash flow to return capital to shareholders, while investing in strategic CapEx and creative token M&A and working capital levels to support our current revenue run rate and position the company for identified growth opportunities.
Speaker #3: In Q2, CES generated revenue of $574 million dollars, representing an annualized run rate level of approximately 2.3 billion. And a 4% increase over the prior year's $553 million.
Speaker #3: Revenue generated in the US set a new all-time record and came in at $46 million, and represented 71% of total revenue, compared to $420 million in Q1 2025, and represented an increase of 4% over prior year revenue of $391 million.
Speaker #3: Revenue generated in Canada set a second quarter record at $168 million, compared to $230 million in Q1, and was 4% ahead of $162 million generated a year ago.
Speaker #3: Elevated service intensity and production chemical volumes continued in the quarter, driven by increasingly complex drilling programs. Customer emphasis on optimizing production through effective chemical treatments benefited both countries and countered declines in rig counts and the depreciating U.S. dollar, illustrating again the resilience of our business model.
Speaker #3: Adjusted EBITDA in Q2 came in at $88.3 million, compared to $99.9 million in Q1, and $95.4 million in Q2 2024. Q2's adjusted EBITDA margin of 15.4% came in near the low end of our targeted 15.5% to 16.5% range, as was expected and communicated.
Speaker #3: Compared to the prior year and prior quarter margins of 17.3% and 15.8%, respectively, this margin reflected investments in key personnel to support new business initiatives that went through, variations in product mix, and the impact of wildfires in Canadian operations, as well as some temporary pricing softness during the quarter when WTI dipped into the $50s.
Speaker #3: Including investments in working capital CES generated 66 million dollars in cash flow from operations in the quarter, compared to 60 million in Q1, and 83 million in Q2 2024.
Speaker #3: The decrease in cash flow from operations year over year was driven by an increase in working capital requirements to support record revenue levels, offset by very strong funds flow from operations.
Speaker #3: Absent the significant swing in FX rates, Q2 would have experienced our typical harvest versus the 10 million dollar increase in working capital. Funds flow from operations which isolates the effect of working capital fluctuations was 77 million dollars in Q2, compared to 78 million in Q1, and 62 million in Q2 2024.
Speaker #3: The improvements compared to the prior year were driven by strong financial performance on higher associated activity levels. Free cash flow was 35 million dollars for Q2, compared to 26 million in Q1, and 55 million in Q2 2024.
Speaker #3: As measured by a free cash flow to adjusted EBITDA conversion rate, this equates to approximately 40% in the current quarter. The year over year decrease in free cash flow was primarily driven by higher investments in working capital to support these record revenue levels.
Speaker #3: CES maintained a prudent approach to capital spending throughout the quarter, with CapEx spend net of disposals of $20 million, representing 3% of revenue.
Speaker #3: We will continue to adjust plans as required to support existing business and attractive growth through our divisions. For 2025, we continue to expect cash CapEx to be approximately 80 million dollars, split evenly between maintenance and expansion capital to support incremental accretive business development opportunities, and current revenue levels.
Speaker #3: While we retain the flexibility to alter spending levels commensurate with the changes in end markets and required support levels. During the quarter, we continue to be active in our NCIB program, purchasing 4.8 million common shares at an average price of $6.36 per share, for a total cash outlay of 31.3 million dollars.
Speaker #3: Representing 2.2% of outstanding shares at April 1st, 2025. Subsequent to the quarter, we completed the NCIB program by repurchasing the remaining 1.1 million shares at an average price of $7.18 per share, for a total of 7.7 million dollars.
Speaker #3: Thereby purchasing the full 19.2 million shares representing 10% of our public float as at July 9th, 2024, at an average price of $7.46 per share.
Speaker #3: On July 22, 2025, we renewed the previous NCIB to repurchase for cancellation up to 18.9 million shares, representing 10% of the public float at the time of renewal.
Speaker #3: Since the inception of the NCIB program in 2018, CES has repurchased 78 million shares. Representing 29% of the outstanding shares at that time, at an average price of $3.82 per share.
Speaker #3: We ended the quarter with 491 million dollars in total debt, representing an increase of 22 million from the prior quarter and 38 million from December 31st, 2024.
Speaker #3: Total debt is primarily comprised of 200 million dollars in senior notes and net draw on the senior facility of 177 million, and 97 million dollars in lease obligations.
Speaker #3: Total debt to adjusted EBITDA of 1.25 times at the end of the quarter compared to 1.17 times at March 31st, and 1.12 times at December 31st, 2024.
Speaker #3: Demonstrating our continued commitment to maintaining prudent leverage levels in the 1 to 1.5 times range. This prudent capital structure is further illustrated by our current net draw of $168 million, which has decreased by $9 million from the end of the quarter.
Speaker #3: During the quarter, we closed the amendment and extension of our senior facility, which included an increase to the Canadian facility by $100 million, for a total facility size of approximately $550 million.
Speaker #3: The new deal provides improved pricing, right-size definitions, and negative governance, as well as an extended term out to November 2028. This amendment, in conjunction with last year's issuance of senior notes due May 2029, leaves CES with no near-term maturities.
Speaker #3: The upsized credit facility and improved terms are consistent with the increased size, scale, and credit profile of CES. The new credit facility provides ample liquidity, optionality on return of capital opportunities, and flexibility to repay and refinance the senior notes on our own schedule on suitable terms over the coming years.
Speaker #3: We are very comfortable with our current debt level maturity schedule and leverage in one to one and a half times range. Thereby enabling strong return of capital to shareholders and prioritizing a sustainable dividend and share buybacks in addition to strategic token acquisition opportunities.
Speaker #3: During the quarter, we closed the token acquisition of fossil fluids, which incurred an upfront cash outlay of $7 million, to be followed by an EBITDA-driven earnout over the next three years.
Speaker #3: Under Martin Kelly's partnership with AES and CES, Fossil Fluids is already realizing results above our expectations, underscoring the accretive nature of selective M&A in this environment.
Speaker #3: We have experienced the same accretive contributions from the acquisition of Hydrolite in July of 2024, where Blake Leonard's leadership and partnership is providing stronger results than originally estimated.
Speaker #3: Our continued focus on working capital optimization has led to maintaining improvements in cash conversion cycle, which ended the quarter at 112 days compared to 111 a year ago.
Speaker #3: This translates to an operating working capital as a percentage of annualized quarterly revenue of 29.7% at the lower end of the historical range of the 30 to 35 percent.
Speaker #3: Each percentage improvement at these revenue levels represents approximately 23 million dollars on our balance sheet. We continue to remain focused on profitable growth, acceptable margins, working capital optimization, and prudent capital expenditures which collectively drive our key metric of return on average capital employed.
Speaker #3: This approach has led to a cultural adoption of these key factors, allowing us to maintain a strong trailing 12-month return on average capital employed of 22%.
Speaker #3: As demonstrated through our results, CES's bigger, stronger, and more resilient than ever before enabling strong surplus free cash flow generation in the current environment, providing valuable optionality for business strategy, and return of capital options.
Speaker #3: At this time, I'd like to turn the call back to the operator to allow for questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, we now begin the question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker #1: And at this time, we will have a pause momentarily the first question. And our question today will come from John Gibson with BMO Capital Markets.
Speaker #1: Please go head.
Speaker #2: Good morning, John.
Speaker #1: Morning, all. Thanks for taking my questions. you know, just kind of wondering if you could elaborate on the the projects you're bidding on at Preamble.
Speaker #1: Are these production chemicals jobs, I'm assuming, and can we fer that they would be potential market share gains against, your competitors?
Speaker #2: Yeah. They are, John. It's Ken, sorry. The RFP pipeline's pretty full right now. And the unique thing about what's going on right now is there are bigger companies running tenders that we historically have not had an opportunity to bid on.
Speaker #2: So, there are kind of businesses that have been long-term and excluded from us. They are more sophisticated and require having people on staff to be able to list in resumes as being the ones who will service the actual work.
Speaker #2: So it's led to us having hire, you know, we're ning pretty loose right now with a lot more staff than we would normally be carrying because we believe we are in a really good spot to win some of these bids.
Speaker #2: the beauty of the overall tender, picture right now is that the bids we're looking at almost none of them are existing business of ours.
Speaker #2: Probably 75% of them are places where we're not actually at risk of losing. We only have the upside to gain, and they are significant.
Speaker #2: They are gaining market share and increasing revenue.
Speaker #1: And, and.
Speaker #3: And John, we've talked about the progression of the U.S. production chemical business before, like according to third-party guys like Kimberly. That business has grown from a 17% market share to a 21% market share over the last couple of years.
Speaker #3: And that was without, some of these larger opportunities that we weren't able to bid for in the past. So, just like we did for AES five years ago when they were at 15% market share, 16% market share, and they're now at 25%, we're going to continue to fuel that potential growth.
Speaker #1: Okay. I appreciate that. Would these be onshore or potential offshore bids that you're looking at?
Speaker #2: It's all onshore.
Speaker #1: Okay.
Speaker #2: And I'll, I'll throw in that, that PureCem's also seeing the same sort of thing. with some unique opportunities on some heavy oil stuff that we haven't participated in the past.
Speaker #2: So, in the production chemical business, that's kind of how we have to judge where we're ing in the rig business. Obviously, you have rig counts to keep close tabs on where you're at market share-wise, but, in the production chemical side, it's kind of a very opportune time right now.
Speaker #1: Okay. I appreciate that. And last one for me. Can you talk about pricing and drilling fluids? Obviously, you've given some back during prior downturns, which makes sense.
Speaker #1: Just wondering what magnitude you're seeing this time around, if any.
Speaker #2: Yeah. We're working with customers. I mean, we're, we're where it's possible and where we have, the ability we're finding ways to help them. prefer to do it with, locking in pricing and, and, things like that.
Speaker #2: So far, you know, unlike in 2014 when everybody had kind of elevated margins in pricing, the last seven, eight years in, in oil and gas have been pretty tight.
Speaker #2: Everybody's been on, tenders and bids and everyone's got a procurement department now. So there isn't a of room to give a whole bunch back.
Speaker #2: But definitely, as things get more competitive, you got to find ways to bring value. And we do that through specialty products, ways we can lower overall cost versus individual product prices.
Speaker #2: And things like walking pricing in, in spite, you know, risk around tariffs and stuff. And then just have to adapt our supply chain to ensure it ourselves.
Speaker #1: Okay. Appreciate, all that. congrats on a good quarter and a, and a difficult market year. I'll turn it back. And once again, if you would ike to ask a question, please press star then one.
Speaker #1: Our next question will come from John Daniel with Daniel Energy Partners. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Thanks for including me. This might be one of the dumber operational questions, so apologies. But when you guys buy a business such as the fossil business and have a chance to look at their chemistry, if you will, how often do you find that they're doing something different or perhaps better than what you have? Alternatively, do you buy the business and quickly deploy your product and stop selling theirs?
Speaker #2: It's just some color that would be helpful.
Speaker #3: Sure. Yeah. you know, in, in case of, Hydrolite, it was a different business line. So we, so we learned a from those guys. With, in the
Speaker #1: Yeah.
Speaker #3: case of fossil, we kind, we new them really well. Like they were using a wholesaler, in their market. And they the wells they're doing are wells that we're competing with next door.
Speaker #3: So, I an, we didn't, I don't, I wouldn't say we actually picked up any technology. We picked up access to a unique LCM that they use that, has a ong reputation and gets used a lot in that market.
Speaker #3: So we did get some value out of that, but primarily what can do is just lower their overall cost of goods and then start learning from the work they're doing to see what we can bring to the table for technology ourselves.
Speaker #2: Okay. Do they typically, like, I mean, this is a relatively small transaction, but is there any new customer mix that bring to bear or?
Speaker #2: Or no?
Speaker #3: Yeah. For sure. you know, they have, they're, they're strong with, with one of the big operators in, in the US. and that, that does play into it.
Speaker #3: Obviously, we weren't ing any work for them in Oklahoma. So now we are.
Speaker #2: Okay. That's all I have. Thanks for humoring me with that question, so.
Speaker #3: Glad you bet. Thanks, John.
Speaker #1: And again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then one. And our next estion will come from Jonathan Goldman with Scotiabank.
Speaker #1: Please go head.
Speaker #4: Hi. Good morning, guys. And thanks for taking my questions. Really nice quarter. I was wondering if you could maybe help us parse out the different takes on the margins in the quarter.
Speaker #4: How much did the fires, the tariffs, the supply chain restructuring, and also the front-running investments in headcount act as a drag on margins?
Speaker #3: Yeah, it's, like, we're, for obvious reasons, not going to isolate each of those. But I would say combined, we had two things happening in Q2.
Speaker #3: One is the typical seasonality that you see in Q2 because of our Canadian operations. But this quarter represented about 30% of overall revenue. And then, some of those unique attributes that, that, that you mentioned would probably have been in the, 30 basis, basis points range.
Speaker #3: And that would be on top of the typical seasonality effect that we have. Yeah. And I'll
Speaker #4: Okay. That's.
Speaker #3: row, I'll throw in that the, biggest factor was the, the overhead, the staff, staffing.
Speaker #4: Oh, definitely. And obviously, people can see the, rationale behind that. And then maybe just thinking, and I don't want to, minimize what you guys have accomplished already in terms of market share in the US, but maybe you can help us think about what's driving the share gains and is there, and upper limit at this point, or do you see continued runway to, to take share?
Speaker #3: We still see a continued runway. I mean, we've still been teasing market share in the Permian Basin. I think we're unique there in our supply chain and in our infrastructure that we can provide to customers.
Speaker #3: Gives us a big advantage. on top of the technology and the, and the service intensity, improvements we can make for them with some chemicals and some, chemistry.
Speaker #3: But the reason we have room to move in the US primarily is, is because of all the other basins. So even though we're, you know, we're inching up in the Permian now, we're not doing it in leaps and bounds anymore, but we're, we're, getting more and more.
Speaker #3: But we're focused on the Hainsville. We're, we're, focused on that Cherokee Shale. We're focused on the Northeast, one of our big customers just did an acquisition up there and we've got a handful of rigs that are going to come out of that.
Speaker #3: And those are really good jobs as well. So we're in the past, we've kind of left the gas market alone because we, our focus was on Permian and oil and South Texas and oil.
Speaker #3: Now that there seems to be an appetite for gas, and there seems to be egress for gas, we're likely putting more emphasis on those plays, and that's where the growth will come from primarily.
Speaker #3: And there's lots of room to grow. You look at Inville today; we're at four rigs out of 40, so we're at a 10% market share.
Speaker #3: We got a lot of room to grow there. And, and I'll also point out that when gas is strong, that, that reservoir or that area has typically run more like 80 rigs.
Speaker #3: So not only can we go up in share, but the rig count can double.
Speaker #4: It's interesting. The other thing that we noticed over the years was, the, natural alignment with the secular trends that we're seeing in the industry with our customers getting bigger and combining.
Speaker #4: And, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, we did way less work with the bigger companies. And now, and we have this in our investor presentation, if you look at the revenue that we get from public companies, customers, which is the vast majority of our ustomers, about 70% of that revenue comes from companies with market caps of 10 billion to 700 billion.
Speaker #4: So naturally, as these guys continue to grow, and they do M&A and they buy players with, basins that are underdeveloped, and we continue to do a good job with those companies, we're going to continue to grow as well with them.
Speaker #4: And, and that's also an indirect way that we've been growing that market share. And I think everybody would agree that those trends are going to continue and if that's true, those examples that Ken gave earlier about some of the bigger company business opportunities that we're looking , that should further support, market share growth going forward.
Speaker #4: No, that's really good color. I'll get back to you. Thanks for the time, guys.
Speaker #1: And this will conclude our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Ken Zinger for any closing remarks.
Speaker #3: So we're in, Ken may have just dropped off. Go
Speaker #2: Oh, sorry.
Speaker #3: on behalf of the company.
Speaker #2: Sorry.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Yeah. Go head, Ken.
Speaker #2: Sorry. I was, I was on mute. I didn't realize that. Thank you to everyone who took the time to join us here today. We appreciate it and we'll look forward to speaking with you again during our Q3 update on November 14th.
Speaker #3: Thanks.