Q2 2025 Brighthouse Financial Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Brighthouse Financial's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. My name is Michelle, and I will be your coordinator today.
Speaker #2: At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. We will facilitate a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference call. In fairness to all participants, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.
Speaker #2: As a reminder, the conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Dana Amante, Head of Investor Relations.
Speaker #2: Ms. Amante, you may proceed.
Speaker #3: Thank you and good ning. Welcome to Brighthouse Financial's second quarter 2025 earnings call. Material for today's call will release last night and can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website.
Speaker #3: We encourage you to review all of these materials. Today, you will hear from Eric Steigerwalt, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ed Spehar, our Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #3: Following our prepared remarks, we will open the call up for a question-and-answer period. Also, here with us today to participate in the discussions are Miles Lambert, our Chief Distribution and Marketing Officer; David Rosenbaum, Head of Product and Underwriting; and John Rosenzahl, our Chief Investment Officer.
Speaker #3: Before we begin, I'd like to note that our discussion during this call may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws.
Speaker #3: Brighthouse Financial's actual results may differ materially from the results anticipated in the forward-looking statements as a result of risks and uncertainties described from time to time in Brighthouse Financial's filings with the SEC.
Speaker #3: Information discussed on today's call speaks only as of today, August 8, 2025. The company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed on today's call.
Speaker #3: During this call, we will be discussing certain financial measures that are not based on generally accepted accounting principles, also known as non-GAAP measures. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures on a historical basis to the most directly comparable GAAP measures and related definitions may be found in our earnings release by presentation and financial supplement.
Speaker #3: And finally, references to statutory results, including certain statutory-based measures used by management, are preliminary due to the timing the filing of these statutory statements.
Speaker #3: And now, 'll turn the call over to our CEO, Eric Steigerwalt.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Dana. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the call today. Through the second quarter of 2025, Brighthouse Financial continued to make progress against its capital-focused strategic initiatives.
Speaker #4: As a reminder, those initiatives are designed to improve capital efficiency, unlock capital, and remain within our target combined risk-based capital (RBC) ratio range in normal market conditions.
Speaker #4: During the quarter, we also continued to execute on our focus strategy, delivering strong sales results, receiving additional deposits through BlackRock's Lifepath Paycheck, prudently managing our expenses, and maintaining a strong capital and liquidity position.
Speaker #4: A cornerstone of our financial and risk management strategy is maintaining a strong capital position at our insurance subsidiaries, as defined by a target combined RBC ratio of between 400% and 450% in normal market conditions.
Speaker #4: In the second quarter, our estimated combined RBC ratio was between 450% and 425%, within our target range in normal market conditions. Our liquidity position also remained strong, with liquid assets at the holding company in excess of $900 million as of June 30.
Speaker #4: As we have discussed in recent quarters, we have been executing on several capital-focused strategic initiatives. Through the second quarter, we made further progress on these initiatives including the ongoing work to simplify and revise our hedging strategy, for both our in-force variable annuity and first-generation shield books of business.
Speaker #4: As we have said previously, it is important to note that our focus on protecting our statutory balance sheet under adverse market conditions remains unchanged.
Speaker #4: I am pleased with the continued success of our distribution franchise, as well as the strong sales results that Brighthouse Financial continues to deliver. In the second quarter, we recorded strong sales in both annuities and life insurance.
Speaker #4: Total annuity sales were $2.6 billion, a 16 percent increase sequentially and an 8 percent increase compared with the second quarter 2024. Shield sales, as always, were a significant contributor to total annuity sales.
Speaker #4: Shield sales totaled $1.9 billion in quarter, bringing year-to-date shield sales to $3.9 billion. Consistent with the same period last year. The second largest contributor to total annuity sales in the quarter was sales of our fixed annuities, which totaled $500 million.
Speaker #4: Our total annuity sales results in the second quarter further demonstrate the complementary and diversified nature of our suite of annuity products. Life insurance sales in second quarter were $33 million, which contributed to record year-to-date life insurance sales of $69 million.
Speaker #4: An increase of approximately 21 percent compared with the same period in 2024. Furthermore, we received $176 million in deposits through BlackRock's Lifepath Paycheck (LPP) product in the second quarter.
Speaker #4: As I have said previously, we expect our involvement with this product to enable Brighthouse to reach new customers, through the worksite channel, and we remain extremely excited about its success to date.
Speaker #4: Moving to corporate expenses, as we have said in the past, expense discipline is extremely important for us, and we remain committed to well-controlled expense management.
Speaker #4: The second quarter corporate expenses were $202 million, on a pre-tax basis, down from $239 million in the first quarter, and up slightly from $200 million in the second quarter of 2024.
Speaker #4: Before turning the call to Ed to discuss our financial results, I'd like to discuss shareholder return. In the second quarter, we returned capital to shareholders through $43 million of common stock repurchases.
Speaker #4: Bringing year-to-date common stock repurchases through June 30th to $102 million. Since we began our common stock repurchase program in August of 2018, we have repurchased over $2.6 billion of our common stock, which represents 52 percent of our outstanding shares.
Speaker #4: As we have disclosed in our public filings, we have historically repurchased our common stock pursuant to Rule 10b5-1 plans, and our most recent plan expired at the end of May 2025.
Speaker #4: As such, there have been no additional share repurchases since that date. We have $441 million of capacity remaining under our board-approved share repurchase program.
Speaker #4: In closing, the second quarter was another quarter of continued focus and execution on our strategic priorities, including our capital-focused initiatives. We delivered strong sales results, received additional deposits through BlackRock's Lifepath Paycheck product, and maintained our focus on expense discipline.
Speaker #4: Let me turn the call over to Ed now to discuss our second quarter financial results in some more detail.
Speaker #5: Thank ou, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Yesterday evening, Brighthouse Financial reported second quarter financial results including preliminary statutory metrics. I will begin with commentary on the preliminary statutory metrics and close with a review of our adjusted earnings.
Speaker #5: As of June 30th, the estimated combined risk-based capital or RBC ratio was between 405 percent and 425 percent. Within our target range of 400 percent, to 450 percent in normal market conditions.
Speaker #5: The statutory combined total adjusted capital (TAC) was approximately $5.6 billion at June 30, compared with approximately $5.5 billion at March 31. The increase in TAC was driven by a decline in our VA and shield reserves in excess of cash surrender value, which more than offset a negative impact on TAC from our non-VA business.
Speaker #5: The combined RBC ratio decreased during the period primarily as a result of seasonality in capital charges for fixed business and adverse non-VA results partially driven by mortality.
Speaker #5: A normalized statutory loss associated with the VA and Shield business had a muted impact on the RBC ratio because of the previously mentioned benefit to TAC from VA and Shield.
Speaker #5: As I have discussed in the past, during periods of strong market performance, there is divergence between VA and shield reserves on the balance sheet, which impacts TAC, and the total asset requirement for the business.
Speaker #5: Holding company liquid assets were over $900 million at June 30th. We consider capital strength to be a combination of the operating company's RBC ratio, holding company liquid assets, and a conservative capital structure.
Speaker #5: Before moving to adjusted earnings results, I would like to reiterate the continued progress we had made on our capital-focused strategic initiatives. As a reminder, as of year-end 2024, we fully transitioned to hedging new shield sales as well as our entire block of shield business with a living benefit feature.
Speaker #5: On a standalone basis. And we continue to make considerable progress on the development of a separate hedging strategy for our in-force variable annuity and first-generation shield annuity block of business.
Speaker #5: We made some modifications to our hedges at the beginning of the third quarter, and we plan to complete the transition to our revised strategy of managing the VA and shield businesses separately by the end of September.
Speaker #5: Importantly, the foundation of our financial and risk management strategy is unwavering as we remain focused on protecting our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios.
Speaker #5: I will now turn to second quarter adjusted earnings results. And first, note that there were no notable items in the quarter. Adjusted earnings for the quarter were $198 million, or $3.43 per share.
Speaker #5: This compares with adjusted earnings, less notables, of $245 million in the first quarter of 2025, and adjusted earnings of $346 million in the second quarter of 2024.
Speaker #5: The second quarter adjusted earnings of $198 million were approximately $60 million below our quarterly average run rate expectations. Driven by lower alternative investment income, and a lower underwriting margin.
Speaker #5: The alternative investments portfolio yield in the quarter was 1.5 percent, which resulted in lower alternative investment income of $32 million, or approximately $0.55 below our quarterly average run rate expectation.
Speaker #5: As a reminder, over the long term, we expect a yield on this portfolio of 9 to 11 percent annually. In addition, this quarter we saw a lower underwriting margin relative to our run rate expectation, driven by higher average severity of claims.
Speaker #5: As we have said previously, mortality fluctuates quarter to quarter and can vary based on the volume and severity of claims, along with the reinsurance offset.
Speaker #5: Turning to results at the segment level, adjusted earnings in the annuity segment were $332 million, which reflected lower expenses, partially offset by lower fees as a result of lower average separate account balances sequentially.
Speaker #5: The life segment reported an adjusted loss of $26 million. Sequentially, results reflected a lower underwriting margin and lower net investment income. Partially offset by lower expenses.
Speaker #5: The runoff segment had an adjusted loss of $83 million. Sequentially, results reflected a lower underwriting margin, partially offset by higher net investment income and lower expenses.
Speaker #5: There was an adjusted loss in the Corporate and Other segment of $25 million, which was flat sequentially. To wrap up, we maintained a strong balance sheet and robust liquidity as of the end of the second quarter.
Speaker #5: The estimated combined RBC ratio remained within our target range in normal markets. Additionally, we continue to make progress on our capital-focused strategic initiatives while we remain committed to protecting our statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios.
Speaker #5: We will now turn the call over to the operator to begin the question-and-answer session.
Speaker #6: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one-one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your estion, please press star one-one again.
Speaker #6: In fairness to all participants, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. One moment while we compile our Q&A roster.
Speaker #6: Our first question is going to come from the line of Tom Gallagher with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go head.
Speaker #7: Good morning. First question is around, your actuarial review for 3Q, 4Q. I assume it's still 3Q gap, 4Q stat. is there a risk here on the stats side in particular that there could be a charge given the continued losses, or do you see that more about volatility and less about asset adequacy?
Speaker #8: Yeah. Good morning, Tom. As you know, the actuarial review is a significant undertaking, and it's the reason it's done on an annual basis. So, there's nothing to report on that yet. I mean, we're in the process of doing the work.
Speaker #8: So I really don't have any updates to give.
Speaker #7: And, Ed, is it still third quarter gap, fourth quarter stat?
Speaker #8: Well, we have had, different timelines at different points in time for stat versus gap. If you recall, I ink it was the fourth quarter 2022, we did the annuity business for a stat on a stat basis.
Speaker #8: And everything else in the third quarter on a GAAP basis. Because we were in the final stages of actuarial transformation, we needed to push the review for annuities on a statutory basis.
Speaker #8: So, you know, we're in the process of the VA shield separation work here. which is going to have an impact on our, you know, ending third quarter balance sheet relative to the ending second quarter balance sheet.
Speaker #8: And so we will have the, well, we will have the stat review again this time on an annuity basis in the fourth quarter. And the gap review in the third quarter.
Speaker #8: But that's all I can tell you at this point on our actuarial assumption update.
Speaker #7: Got it. Gotcha. And then just from a follow-up, Ed, can you elaborate a bit on what will be completed by the end of September? Do you feel like you are then in the right place from a go-forward standpoint where you think you can start generating positive capital again after implementation at the end of September strategy?
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #8: Sure. So there are a couple of questions in there. I think, first of all, your question on the revisions to our hedging strategy.
Speaker #8: So you ow we we are separating, and managing, individually the shield book and the VA book. And we think that's appropriate at this point given our balanced risk profile between shield and VA.
Speaker #8: So we've talked in the past about how we were getting a capital benefit when we were we were getting a capital benefit when we were doing, shield and VA together when shield was a smaller portion of the total.
Speaker #8: And once we got to this balanced risk profile, we started to see more of the complexity of managing them together become an issue. And so that's why we're going to the separated approach.
Speaker #8: With the, with the implementation in the third quarter, it's really I would say in a couple stages. We've done a revisions to the hedges, we're in process of doing some more.
Speaker #8: And then by the end of the quarter, we will have implemented the modeling and valuation changes necessary to have it reflected on the liability side.
Speaker #8: So this will all take place, in the third quarter. In terms of the go-forward impact of this, it's too early to talk about, you know, to quantify what the impact of separation will be.
Speaker #8: But I'll tell you that it will introduce simplification, more transparency, and allow for a more effective management of the block of business. I also think overall we're going to see less volatility in our results over time.
Speaker #7: All right. The final.
Speaker #8: Wait. Can you hear me?
Speaker #7: Can you hear me, ?
Speaker #8: I can. It's a little bit of an echo. Yeah. I just started to hear an echo as well. Well, why don't we just pause for a second and see if we can clear this up?
Speaker #8: Any technical difficulties, I think, so we're working on it. We're working it.
Speaker #7: Hey.
Speaker #8: Hey.
Speaker #7: Hello?
Speaker #8: Hello? Tom, how about now? How about now?
Speaker #7: No.
Speaker #8: No.
Speaker #7: Yeah. Yeah. Still echo. Tom? That's better. All right.
Speaker #8: How?
Speaker #7: Sorry about the delay.
Speaker #8: No problem.
Speaker #7: So, I was going to finish off on the impact of this separation. I talked about the simplification, the transparency, and I think therefore more effective management.
Speaker #7: I think we will see less volatility in our results. Over time, as a of this change. And the second thing that I would add is that this change positions us better for what we think the new ESG is going to, look like.
Speaker #7: And viously, we've got much more clarification around that now than we, than we had in the past.
Speaker #8: Gotcha. Thank you, Ed.
Speaker #7: And then and just just to finish up, though, you talk about the forward-looking, impact on cash flows. We have talked about how after reaching this balanced risk profile, we started to see the capital strain come through and impact our results from writing new business.
Speaker #7: Now, obviously, writing new business is the franchise value of this company. We want to continue to grow, and we're pleased with the profitability of the business that we write.
Speaker #7: And so what we have been looking at in terms of these strategic initiatives is: what can we do that can generate more capital today without harming the franchise?
Speaker #7: So, you know, we've talked about reinsurance. We continue to look at various reinsurance opportunities. I would think about this a bit like what we did when we added interest rate protection after rates went up.
Speaker #7: We saw a profile of the company where there was a back-end loading of cash flows. And so we decided to put on a lot more protection for rates to narrow the range of outcomes for market movements and the cost of that was some give-up in longer-term cash flows.
Speaker #7: And we thought that we thought that was a good trade-off because the longer-term cash flows that we see tend to be pretty significant. I would think about what we're doing with these strategic initiatives in a similar fashion.
Speaker #7: And I think 've said this on a prior call. We're looking ways where we could enter into initiatives that will be beneficial to near-term capital generation, with some give-up of cash flows in the future.
Speaker #7: And everything we're ing, as I said, is going to make sure that we're protecting the franchise, which is our ility to grow new business.
Speaker #7: Gotcha. Thanks for that, Ed.
Speaker #6: Thank you. And one moment as we move on to our next question. Our next question is going to come from the line of Jimmy Buehler with JP Morgan.
Speaker #6: Your line is open. lease go head.
Speaker #9: Hey, good morning. So first, I just had a question on buybacks, and you've been fairly active in the past on buying back stock. As you mentioned, you paused in May.
Speaker #9: Are buybacks a part of your normal ???? going forward? And should we assume that you'd continue into Q3, or is there any reason to stop to preserve capital or anything else?
Speaker #8: Hey, Jimmy. It's Eric. Listen, we have historically repurchased, as I think I said in my opening remarks, pursuant to 10b5-1 plans. You know, the board's very comfortable with that.
Speaker #8: We're all very comfortable using 10(b)(5)(1) plans. So it ran out at the end of May. And you know, we'll see. I would I would just say historically, you know, you know we have been a returner of capital.
Speaker #8: But that's my answer.
Speaker #9: Okay, well, I'll wait three months anyway. And I'm not sure what you want to say on the whole discussion of M&A, but maybe just comment on your confidence in the company's ability to sort of survive and thrive on a standalone basis.
Speaker #9: Like, do ou feel you have the capital flexibility, the product breadth, and just other sort of how do you feel about the company's ability to and your desire to stay to be able to stay independent and strive as sort of as a standalone entity in case there is no transaction?
Speaker #9: But now I’ve got to add whatever else. Yeah.
Speaker #8: Yeah, no, I got it, Jimmy. Look, maybe I can just try to frame up where I think we're at here. And you know, Ed covered some of this.
Speaker #8: With respect to our legacy liabilities, and I'll say specifically our VA block, as you know, it's been pretty complicated to manage. Especially since we hit sort of that inflection point where we got to delta neutral there for VA and Shield One blocks.
Speaker #8: Shield one block, I'm being specific here. Given this inflection point and because of where interest rates are where equities are, as Ed has said, we are in the process now of transitioning our hedging strategy.
Speaker #8: And we're going to end up managing these blocks of businesses separately. Obviously, a lot of work has gone into that. It's one our most important strategic initiatives.
Speaker #8: I would say the last year, an enormous amount of work has gone into that. And so now, you know we've already started that transition.
Speaker #8: And as Ed said, we'll be done with that transition at the end of September. Okay? So since I've been talking about strategic initiatives, we've completed a number of reinsurance transactions.
Speaker #8: We've talked about all the work that has to go into preparing for this change with respect to the hedging strategy. And now we're actually in the third quarter executing on that.
Speaker #8: With respect to our distribution franchise and what I'll call our operational and technological capabilities, I think our journey has brought us to the place where it is obvious we are a premier carrier in this industry.
Speaker #8: So our strategy with respect to new business and our distribution partners has not changed. It's not going to change. We're ing to continue to innovate with respect to products.
Speaker #8: Our technology has stayed at the art at this point, and we're going to have the very best operational capabilities that we can going forward.
Speaker #8: I'm trying to think of what else you asked. Look, with respect to any market rumors, I don't have any comments on that. But sort of overall, if you think about what I just said, you've got the back book, which we have had to manage now for, geez, I guess, one day longer than eight years.
Speaker #8: I think our eight-year anniversary was yesterday. But I’m super pleased with our situation with respect to product development, technology, and operations. And, of course, our distribution partners.
Speaker #8: And that includes you ow more progress that we made in the second quarter with respect to bringing in deposits on Lifepath Paycheck. So there's sort of an overall answer for you, Jimmy.
Speaker #9: Okay. And just on the shield, like that's been obviously your fastest growth product. In the last several years, I think sales this quarter were down for the first time in the last couple of years.
Speaker #9: You haven't had a negative quarterly result. And everybody in the industry has been growing fairly fast the last few years, but it seems like for some of the companies, sales growth has slowed recently.
Speaker #9: So I'm not sure if you in your case, it has to do anything with any company specific initiatives, or are you just seeing more competition, or what is it that you've en that's resulted in a slowdown?
Speaker #8: Yeah. So this is Miles. I'll go ahead and take that, Eric, if you don't mind. So look, there's a lot of competition out there in the marketplace.
Speaker #8: But generally speaking, I believe it's been very reasonable. I do think those carriers that do have career distribution do have a competitive advantage. But look, we remain really pleased with where we're at.
Speaker #8: We continue to hit our targets. As Eric said, we did almost $4 billion of shield sales for the first half of the year. That's coming off of a record year last year.
Speaker #8: March of this year was our best month ever for shield sales. April was just slightly behind March. And you got to keep in mind, we're growing off of a big base, right?
Speaker #8: We're a market leader in this category. And we're always focused on continuing to grow sales but at the same time maintaining our pricing discipline.
Speaker #8: Yeah. Jimmy, I'll just jump in and add to the last sentence that he just said. You know, it is nice when you got a small base and a product line and you're growing.
Speaker #8: That's a great feeling. I think we all know that feeling. We're pretty big as are some others. We are going to display pricing discipline.
Speaker #8: We have for eight years, and we're going continue to do that. I think it's a great product still for manufacturers and certainly for clients.
Speaker #8: So you know, despite the fact that it's a little tougher to grow, I'm still pretty pleased with the second quarter.
Speaker #9: Okay. All right. Good luck. Thanks.
Speaker #6: Thank ou. One moment for our next question. Our next estion is going to come from the line of Sunit Chemist with Jeffries. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Hey, good morning. And I guess happy anniversary. So if I look at your unassigned surplus in BLIC at the end of the first quarter, I think it was negative 2 billion.
Speaker #9: It looks like there was a pretty big stat net loss this quarter, so just wondering where we are with that here in the second quarter.
Speaker #9: And Ed, do you still expect to take cash out over the planning period as you discussed on the last call?
Speaker #8: Yeah. Hi, Sunit. So, you know the reason that we talk about normalized statutory earnings, one of the reasons we do over time, is because it includes unrealized gains and losses.
Speaker #8: on our hedging program. And so you talk about the statutory loss, and what that doesn't take into account is $1.2 billion of unrealized gains associated on an after-tax basis associated with our hedging program.
Speaker #8: So I think it's a it is not a complete I know it's not a complete picture to look at the, the stat income statement that you're encing.
Speaker #8: And you can also see it's not a it's not a, an accurate picture of what's going on with our capital because you saw the TAC was up in the quarter.
Speaker #8: So there's other example of how you know the total picture of not just operating and realized but also unrealized is important to take into account for us.
Speaker #8: The second point about the unassigned funds, it's negative in the around the same number, the minus $2 billion range. we consider that a technical consideration, not a fundamental one.
Speaker #8: And the reason for that is, as I've talked about in the past, you have a framework for VA on a statutory basis that's a total asset requirement framework.
Speaker #8: And you will see movement in both liabilities and capital within that total asset requirement framework. So unlike the traditional life insurance annuity type of product line where you have reserves established on a conservative basis, and that don't change much.
Speaker #8: And obviously, that will be becoming less an issue over time because of principles-based reserving. But generally still, they 't change much. And then you have capital as a buffer.
Speaker #8: Right? This is a different framework because you have reserves and capital moving, and therefore, there are implications for unassigned funds that I don't think were contemplated when you were thinking about, you know, really what unassigned funds means in the traditional framework.
Speaker #8: Not the VA framework.
Speaker #7: But does that still become a gating factor in terms of taking cash out, or does it not apply anymore?
Speaker #8: Yeah. I think it would be it requires a conversation with regulators because of the fact that you would not be ordinary dividend. It might be extraordinary.
Speaker #8: But I think we have very good relationships with our regulators. We are transparent and have open lines of communication. I can't predict what will happen in the future, but I can tell you that in the past, specifically when we were taking excess capital out of BRCD, both of the dividends that were taken out of BRCD were extraordinary in nature.
Speaker #8: So you know if we think we have the level of capital that would support taking money out, we will convey that to our regulators and then we'll see what happens.
Speaker #8: In terms of your other question, I believe on the last maybe it was the fourth quarter call, I made some comments about dividends. And I said that our three-year financial plan assumes we will take dividends.
Speaker #8: And that is still the case.
Speaker #7: Yeah. That's what I was referring to. I guess the second question for Ed sorry, for Eric. You know, if we just take step back and think about most of these annuity companies that are focused on spread-based products, it seems like a common denominator is they have Bermuda captives, and they have alternative asset management partners.
Speaker #7: And I don't believe you have either at this point. So I'm just wondering your thoughts there. Does that put you at a competitive advantage?
Speaker #7: Are those things that you're considering? If you could just shed some light on that, that would be helpful. Thanks.
Speaker #8: Yeah. Sure. Look, historically, obviously, we've used reinsurance. So you get a lot of the benefits of what might be a Bermuda captive. And you ow, you don't end up in some of the situations that, in my career, we've ended in in the past.
Speaker #8: So I think you can you can generally operate, you know, on a level playing field, if you have good reinsurance partners, which we do.
Speaker #8: with respect to alternative asset management, let's just say, in my mind, when I talk about things like strategic initiatives, you know, we think about where we might be lacking, where we need to upgrade, and so it wouldn't surprise you, I'm sure, if we're thinking about that every single day.
Speaker #8: So I I think those were your two questions. And oh, Ed wants to add something.
Speaker #7: Yeah. I'll add, you know, first of all, as I'm sure you are aware, we're always looking for ways to effectively utilize our capital base and be as efficient as possible.
Speaker #7: And you know, while we don't have you you cite a Bermuda captive, we obviously have a significant captive that gives us capital efficiency, which is BRCD.
Speaker #7: Our reinsurance subsidiary, which is used to reinsure our legacy term and ULSG block. I think, as Eric alluded to, we also partner with third-party reinsurers.
The RBC ratio was down, um, sequentially. And the drivers of that were really in equal, part, roughly equal parts, the seasonality of capital charges for new business. So nothing to do with the fundamental operating performance. And the second would be, um, uh,
Uh, adverse results in non-va, which was driven by, uh, some of the which which included some of the mortality experience that we've we talked about. So even though VA had a normalized statutory loss and was the biggest piece of the normalized statutory laws, it actually didn't have the type of impact on our RBC ratio that you would have thought.
And the reason for that was the strong market that you referenced.
We had what I've talked about in the past and I mentioned it in my prepared, remarks Divergence. And what that means is that our reserves went down more than our total asset requirement.
The reason that you have that Dynamic Divergence in a very strong Market environment and convergence in a negative Market, environment is that
Your Capital, your total adjusted capital is affected by your reserves and your reserves are calculated on a, uh, CTE 70 or average of the 30% worse scenarios, okay? And the point here is that the average of 30% worse scenario is ain't so bad. Okay.
Your tail on the other hand is calculated, the average of the 2% horse scenarios.
and so,
When the market goes up a lot.
You see your reserves drop because your reserves are really reflecting more. The state of where you are today.
You see your Capital requirement not change as much as you would think because your total asset requirement doesn't come down as much because you continue to contemplate bad stuff happening in the future, right? And so that's the reason that you saw a benefit to tack which actually translated to a muted impact from the VA business on our RBC ratio.
even though we had uh, an approximately 400 million Norm stat loss in the second quarter,
So I know that's a lot, but um, you know, I think it's very important for for, for us to understand sort of this quarter, there was a disconnect between, you know, Capital generation, Our RBC ratio and the norm stat result.
Should I interpret that that the 400 million of normalized? Statutory, earning losses. Just it's, it's not very meaningful in this particular quarter,
Uh, I think that that would be a good interpretation.
Talk a little bit about the appetite to continue to lean into sales quarter after quarter, which has been pretty strong on the sales front. Thanks.
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Oh, could you repeat the question? Yeah, you just cut off their
Oh yeah. Could you talk a little bit more about your appetite to continue to lean into sales after a pretty strong quarter in Q2? Thanks.
Oh, okay. Yeah we don't have we don't have any changes right now, with respect to how we're operating from a new business perspective. Um, and that's across the board, uh, in all of our product lines. Um, we're actually having, you know, the beginning of a a very nice third quarter, so no change Wilma.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you. And 1 moment for our next question.
Our next question comes from the line of Nick andito with Wells. Fargo, your line is open, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, thanks. Um just wanted to follow up kind of on the Assumption review Point. Um and I guess from a higher level like
if you guys decide to go on, as an independent entity, like in your opinion, are the Auditors going to require Bright House to consider any of the findings from all the
Independent actuary reviews that have been done as a part of the rumor itself process. I think it's, you know, kind of in the same thing with companies in the past
Hi, good morning. I mean we we have said repeatedly, we don't comment on rumors and speculation.
Got it. Okay. Um and then in terms of the C4 charges I think the kind of the Glide path is you get the benefit in q1 and then it kind of ramps down during the year because of the strain, right? So all else being equal um if you're if you have just kind of zero kind of stat results, we should expect the RBC to kind of decline from here given the C4 charges.
yeah, I I think
the impact from the C4 charge, you're correct. There's a seasonal benefit in the first quarter and then it will build over the year based on our assumption that we continue to write fixed business. That generates the C4 charge.
That is the effect of the C4 charge. I would not extrapolate that to an overall, uh, projection of the RBC ratio, which is something that we do not provide,
thank you, 1, 1 moment, as we move on to our next question.
Our next question is going to come from the line of Alex Scott with Barclays. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Hey, thanks. Um
So I wanted to ask about the capital uh, in the Delaware reinsurance called company and look the reason, the reason I think it's important is from an external standpoint. If we're trying to value your business, it's it's pretty hard to place a value on your closed box because there's some amount of capital down there. We we don't know how much. And so, you know, everybody's going to have their views on universal life and do what they're going to do relative to reserves, but we don't know how much Equity is down there. So it makes it very difficult to, to value your company. So I was just hoping that maybe you could provide
You know, some disclosures on that entity and and help us in any way I'm thinking through, you know, the capital position, uh, through your lens.
Yeah. Hi Alex. Uh, so we do disclose information in the K on the uh on on brcdc are not uh the most relevant numbers to consider when you're looking at the capitalization of this entity. Uh we look at cash flow testing uh scenarios. As you can imagine the you know, stress scenarios that you would think the New York 7 plus others and we consider what are our margins under those different scenarios. And it was that analysis that led us to the actions that we took several years ago. In terms of Bringing Down the excess, what we consider to be excess Capital at BRC,
We see cash flow, testing margins that are favorable to suggest that we are appropriately capitalized. But that is not something that if you're thinking about um,
you know, sort of
evaluation Boost from some excess number or something. I, I would just tell you, I don't see an excess Capital number in that entity.
Got it? Um, that's helpful. Uh, I thought I'd try one more time on, just, you know, the, uh, actuarial review. And so, let's talk about having to do with third-party audits and that kind of thing, I guess.
you know, I look at at the cash flow that you've actually had relative to some of the projections you've given us over time and
You know, equities are obviously up a lot in the performed incredibly well, interest rates are up. I mean, it's almost hard to believe that we would be at this high of equity levels with, you know, higher interest rates, you sort of got like the magical scenario here. But yet the cash flows have continued to fall significantly short of some of the original projections. And so that that sort of suggests that there's something that's problematic about the way you're, you know, projecting and and accounting for your liabilities. And and and I I just want to better understand that. I mean is is that right? Is you know could you help shed some light on like well what is what has been the Crux of the issue there and
You know, is that something you have to deal with in 3Q?
Alex. I was trying to find the question in there and I think I got 1 at the end and it's the same answer we do our actual assumption update,
And annually, we will be talking to you about that in the second half of the year and early next year.
Understood, thank you.
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Our next question comes from the line of Peter Tracy with Barclays. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Uh, just another question on on Capital. Um, your, your cost of preferred Equity has been volatile, uh, lately in the, in the secondary market. And so, in that context. Can you discuss a little bit about how the board thinks about the dividend on your preferred stock?
You know, how committed is the company to continuing to pay dividends um, on your preferred stock and then, you know, would that approach to the preferred dividend change? If the company was was part of an m&a process?
Hi, good morning. Let me, let me start with the last 1. We're not commenting on rumors and speculation. Uh,
I start off by telling you that we're very pleased with the long-term capital structure that we have. We've spent, uh, several years getting our capital structure to a place that we thought made sense. And, you know, we have issued preferred stock in that process at very at, very favorable yields and they're fixed for life. So we like the, the, the, the place that preferred plays in our, in our capital structure, and we also receive favorable rating agency treatment from that. So, um, you know, I guess I would just say that, you know, for for,
For any of the other things that you're trying to discern here I would refer you to you know the prospectuses that were filed with all these Securities when we issued them. But um, you know, we are, you know, there there is no intent to not pay preferred dividends. I I'm not sure why that would be a question, but I, if I need to say that on this call, I'll say there's, there's all intents to pay preferred dividends but please read the perspectives for the appropriate terms and conditions and risks associated with any security that we've issued.
Thank you, Ed.
Thank you. 1 moment for our next question.
Our next question is going to come from the line of Ryan Krueger with KBW. Your line is open; please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. This is not about the Assumption review. It's about the change in hedging. Um, it's a pretty major change you're making. Um,
Are there and I I I definitely understand the the reason you're doing it, but are there are their implications for the the balance sheet that day 1, when you make these hedging changes, like should we anticipate material impacts to your capital and capital ratios? Because this is such a, a big change to the way your heads in the business.
Maybe, uh, from Tom. Uh, this is not like starting with a blank sheet of paper type of hedging changes. Um, you know, we have continued to run the company with the view of protecting the statutory balance sheet under adverse market scenarios. That has never changed, and it hasn't changed going forward either. So, uh, and when you think about the actual changes to the hedges that we're making, um, you know, I would say one of the, uh, revisions on our rate hedges because I, you know, first of all, if you look at the amount of rate hedges that we put on in 2022,
We are protected for that. You know, bad scenario of rates drop in Co level type rates. Uh, and I think we're protected on a on, on, on on pretty much like a risk-neutral type of basis, for those very large moves and rates
if you look at the revisions we're making today on rates, uh,
I think it's more along the curve than it is the overall, uh, dvo 1. Uh, so, you know, that's something to think about on the raid side. And if you look on the equity side, um, you know, we're that's the that's we're working through it a little bit still. Um, you know, we've I'd say we've probably done more on the well, I don't want to talk about what we've done, actually, we're too big to talk about what we're done, what we're doing. But
Uh, I will say that on the equity side, you know?
our Delta position is, uh,
Is not going to change that much.
So I don't see a lot of change in, um, you know, the, the the equity overall, uh, risk position. And I'd say, uh, a lot of what has happened on the rate side, uh, is, you know, along the Curve.
Okay, um, maybe just one follow-up because it seems like the way you've been describing it—like, it is, I guess, just in the sense that it's, you've been studying it for quite a long time. It seemed to like, it was.
A fairly meaningful change but I guess the way you're describing it sounds a lot more minor. So is is that the right interpretation? It's it actually is just kind of changes around the edges. It's not like some
It's not as big of a change, maybe. As I thought,
Yeah I I guess I would say that you know the the ability to execute this separation uh and have and do it in a way that makes sense for us. Financially is um,
it is a, it is driven by where we are with the current rate environment
So, the ability to do this and have uh, have it make sense for us, financially is linked to the fact that, uh, you know, interest rates are where they are.
Yeah. Yeah Ryan. It's Eric though I'm going to jump in I I'm I'm absolutely cutting you a break here. I mean we've been talking about this for a long time uh externally. It can sound very big. Um internally. There's been a ton of work. Having said all that we found ourselves in a position where I I think it was. You who mentioned this, I'm sure somebody previously did as well. You know rates are pretty high equities are pretty high so in the end it will probably turn out to not be as big externally but internally this has been a lot of work. I I'm pretty sure that probably makes sense to you.
Okay. Yeah, that does make sense. Uh thanks a lot for the color.
Thank you. And one moment for our next question.
Our last question is going to come from the line of West Carmichael with autonomous research. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Hey, good morning. Thanks for for taking my question. Um in in a follow-up. Maybe on on the last 1 in terms of the transition for hedging. But do you think Ed, are you guys going to be in a position to provide your long-term, free cash flow projections this year? Do you think that's likely going to be a 2026 event?
Yeah, hi Wes. Uh, so
You know, as you've heard from from Eric and from me um we continue to work on several initiatives. Uh,
And all of these initiatives are going to have some impact on our long-term, free cash flows.
Uh, so, you know, I would just say we need to complete these initiatives before, we're in a position to provide an outlook for future results.
And I would say that, that outlook for future results is not likely to be, uh, in 2025.
Yep. No, I totally understand. And I guess I made my follow-up. I think you, you saw a little bit of claim severity.
Experience in the quarter.
Sure. So severity was
I think 18% higher perhaps than our normal level uh something in that range about 18%. And if you're looking at the impacts by segment um you know, relative to what we would think is run rate, you're you're talking about uh, probably 2/3, 1/3 life runoff,
uh, you know, obviously
Mortality will fluctuate from quarter to quarter, and, uh, you know, we've talked repeatedly in the past about frequency, severity, and also the reinsurance offset. So, this quarter, we had some severity in excess of normal.
Thank you.
And then I would like to hand the conference back over to Dana Monte for any closing remarks.
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