Q2 2025 Crexendo Inc Earnings Call

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Speaker #6: Greetings and welcome to the Crescendo second quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the former presentation.

Speaker #6: If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the ference over to your host, Jeff Korn, chairman and CEO at Crescendo.

Speaker #6: Jeff, you may begin.

Speaker #7: Thank you, Paul, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Crescendo's second quarter 2025 earnings call. As Paul just said, I'm Jeff Korn, chairman and CEO.

Speaker #7: With me in the room today are Doug Gaylor, our president and COO; Ron Vincent, our CFO; Jon Brinton, our CRO; and Anand Bush, our chief strategy officer.

Speaker #7: In a moment, Jon will read the safe harbor statement. After that, I'll provide an overview of our performance and strategy. Ron will then dive into the financials and Doug will close with an operational and business update before we open it up for questions.

Speaker #7: Jon, would you please read the safe harbor statement?

Speaker #8: Thank you, Jeff. I want to take this opportunity to remind listeners that this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Act of 1933, and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

Speaker #8: The private securities litigation reform act of 1995 provides a safe harbor for such forward-looking statements. All statements made in this conference call, other than statements of historical fact, are either forward-looking statements, forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to words like believe, expect, anticipate, estimate, will, and other similar statements of expectation, identifying forward-looking statements.

Speaker #8: Investors should be aware that any forward-looking statements are based on assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here today.

Speaker #8: These risk factors are explained in detail in the company's filings with the Security and Exchange Commission, including the Form 10-K for fiscal year ended December 31, 2024, and the Forms 10-Q as filed.

Speaker #8: Crescendo does undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise. I'd now like turn the call back over to Jeff.

Speaker #8: Jeff?

Speaker #7: Thank you, Jon. I'm pleased to report another exceptional quarter for Crescendo. We continue to deliver a consistent and impressive profitable growth. This growth and ur results underscore the scalability of our business model and the strength of our team.

Speaker #7: Q2 was highlighted by significant success in our software solution segment, combined with growth in our telecom service segment, as well as the achievement of key operational milestones.

Speaker #7: I'm pleased, as ou know, we reported a 13% increase in total revenue to $16.6 million. Driven by a remarkable 31% year-over-year organic growth in software solutions revenue.

Speaker #7: Our GAAP net income was $1.2 million, and we delivered $2.8 million in adjusted EBITDA. This marks our eighth consecutive quarter of GAAP profitability and our 27th consecutive quarter of GAAP net income.

Speaker #7: This is clear evidence that our strategy is working, and Crescendo is on a very solid trajectory. Our software platform continues to be a critical engine of our success.

Speaker #7: As you know, we surpassed 6 million users on our software platform, and our marching towards $7 million users. Our ability to scale efficiently, was reflected in the continually strong margins we achieved.

Speaker #7: We are very encouraged by the momentum in our licensing and partner ecosystem, which continues to gain traction in the wake of disruption from legacy vendors like Broadsoft.

Speaker #7: Our differentiated architecture, with session-based pricing, open APIs, and flexible cloud or on-premise deployment, continues to resonate with customers seeking control, scalability, and reliability. Simply put, we are building the platform of the future, and the market is responding.

Speaker #7: If you want the best products, services, people, and pricing, there really is no other choice. We continue to invest in the business and expand our AI capabilities.

Speaker #7: And we are expecting to roll out over the next several quarters additional initiatives including AI callbots and AI operator functions and messaging. This is in addition to the services already rolled out.

Speaker #7: On the telecom side, while the UCaaS landscape remains competitive, we continue to take a disciplined approach. We are not chasing growth at the expense of profitability.

Speaker #7: Our award-winning VIP bundle and industry-leading customer satisfaction scores as validated independently by G2 are helping us win in the right way. Sustainably, and with long-term margin expansion in mind.

Speaker #7: With that said, we continue to look at aggressive promotions to compete with others in the space, but we'll only do that if it leads to a profitable and scalable business.

Speaker #7: Importantly, we are executing well against our strategic priorities. We are in final stages of sunsetting our classic platform, which will reduce operational drag and free up internal resources.

Speaker #7: At the same time, we are aggressively migrating to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, OCI, a move we expect to yield significant cost savings and rove focus on innovation and customer success.

Speaker #7: These infrastructure initiatives will help us continue to improve margins and drive long-term efficiencies in 2026. This is particularly impressive as we continue to invest in the business.

Speaker #7: We have no intention of resting on our loyal laurels, and we are continuing to build the future of telecom software and services. We also remain focused on inorganic opportunities.

Speaker #7: We are actively reviewing several potential acquisitions, including smaller tuck-ins as well as larger opportunities. I and the team, however, remain disciplined and focused that any acquisition we pursue will be aggressive, accretive, and aligned with our vision of strategic profitable growth.

Speaker #7: With a strong CASP position of $23.5 million, and growing cash flow from operations, we are well positioned to support continued innovation strategic M&A and enhanced shareholder value.

Speaker #7: Finally, our ecosystem vendor partner program, EDP as we call it, continues to gain momentum. As we lean into AI, analytics, and automation, our open ARP architecture is enabling new integrations that drive real value for our partners.

Speaker #7: Further differentiating our platform from the market and continuing to get us to lead with our open APIs, which is a strong strategic advantage for us.

Speaker #7: In closing, I've never been more optimistic about where we are and where we're ing. Over the last two years, we've transformed Crescendo into a high-growth, consistently profitable software company with a clear vision and strong execution.

Speaker #7: We are building a flexible, scalable, and future-ready platform. One that puts customer success and long-term value creation at the center of everything we do.

Speaker #7: With that, I'll turn the call over to Ron to walk through the financial results in more detail. Ron?

Speaker #9: Thank you, Jeff. Good afternoon, everyone. Consolidated revenue for the quarter increased 13% to $16.6 million. Compared to $14.7 million for the second quarter of the prior year, our service revenue for the quarter increased 4% to $8.4 million.

Speaker #9: Compared to $8.1 million for the second quarter of the prior year, our software solutions revenue for the quarter increased 31% to $7 million. Compared to $5.3 million for the second quarter of the prior year, and our product revenue decreased 7% to $1.2 million.

Speaker #9: Compared to $1.3 million for the second quarter of the prior year, our remaining performance obligations increased to $83.5 million. At the end of the second quarter, compared to $81.9 million at the end of the first quarter of this year, and $71.2 million at June 30th of the prior year.

Speaker #9: Operating expenses for the quarter increased 10% to $15.4 million. Compared to $14.1 million for the second quarter of the prior year, the operating margin for the quarter increased to 7%.

Speaker #9: Compared to 4% for the same period of the prior year, net income of $1.2 million for the quarter, that's $0.04 per basic and diluted common share.

Speaker #9: Compared to a net income of $600,000 or $0.02 per basic and diluted common share for the second quarter of the prior ar. Non-GAAP net income of $2.9 million for the quarter, that's $0.10 per basic and $0.09 per diluted common share.

Speaker #9: Compared to non-GAAP net income of $2.1 million or $0.08 per basic and $0.07 per diluted common share for the second quarter of the prior year, EBITDA for the quarter was $2 million.

Speaker #9: Compared to $1.4 million for the second quarter of the prior year, our adjusted EBITDA for the quarter came in at $2.8 million. That's compared to $2.2 million for the second quarter of prior year.

Speaker #9: At cash and cash equivalence at June 30th, 2025, was $23.5 million. Compared to $18.2 million at December 31st, 2024. Cash provided by operating activities for the six-month period of $2.5 million that's compared to $2.5 million in cash provided by operating activities for the same period of the prior year.

Speaker #9: Cash provided by financing activities for the six-month period generated $2.7 million compared to cash provided by investing activities of $800,000 for the same period of the prior year.

Speaker #9: Primarily related to $3 million net cash received from the stock option exercises and RSUs offset by $3.3 million in notes payable repayments and finance lease payments.

Speaker #9: That I'll turn it over to Doug Gaylor, ur president and COO, for additional comments on sales and business operations. Thanks, Ron. We continued to execute well on our business plan and had a strong Q2 layered on top of a strong Q1 to start the year.

Speaker #9: We had a 13% year-over-year increase in revenue for the quarter and a $212% year-over-year increase in GAAP profitability combined with strong positive cash flow.

Speaker #9: This was our eighth consecutive quarter of GAAP profitability and 27th consecutive quarter of non-GAAP net income. The results were a direct result of our focus on growing organically and profitably.

Speaker #9: Our continued success earned us a coveted inclusion in the Russell 2000 index that was announced during the quarter. Our GAAP net income of $1.23 million for the quarter and non-GAAP net income of $2.9 million for the quarter were reflective of our success in managing the fundamentals of the business and continuing to maximize and recognize synergies within the business.

Speaker #9: Our entire team is continually working to improve business processes and make our company more efficient. We believe we will continue to see more efficiencies as we continue our growth.

Speaker #9: During the quarter, we successfully completed our international data center migration, to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure, OCI, and have closed down our international data centers and we continue our US data center migrations that should show additional meaningful cost savings over the next 12 months.

Speaker #9: We continue to see tremendous organic growth from our software solution segment of the business, which grew 31% over Q2 compared Q2 of 2024. And has seen a 32% growth for the first half of the year for 2025 compared to the first half of the year of 2024.

Speaker #9: In addition to strong upgrade orders from our existing licensees, we won one new logo from MetaSwitch for the quarter and one new logo from Cisco's Broadsoft in the quarter, as we continue to see opportunities created by uncertainties created by our two largest software solutions competitors.

Speaker #9: Cisco's Broadsoft and MetaSwitch. Our unique pricing and support model for our software solutions platform combined with our robust feature set allows us to differentiate ourselves from the rest of our competition at a much stronger price point than they might currently be paying.

Speaker #9: Our telecom service retail segment grew at 2% organically for the quarter. Our telecom service service revenue was up 4% organically offset by a reduction in product revenue of 7% to reach the blended 2% increase.

Speaker #9: As previously stated, we have proactively reduced selling some lower-margin product opportunities to maintain margins. Thus, the decrease in product revenue and the increase in segment gross margins.

Speaker #9: We continue to see strong demand for our offerings from our channel partners and our master agent technology service distributors and expect retail segment revenue to continue to grow at a faster pace.

Speaker #9: The master agent technology service distributors saw an 88% increase in sales bookings year-over-year and we expect that momentum to continue. As Jeff previously mentioned, we are focused on profitably growing this segment and we are not pursuing low-margin or unprofitable retail opportunities.

Speaker #9: Our remaining performance obligation, also referred to as backlog, is now at $83.5 million, an increase of 17% from Q2 of 2024. Our remaining performance obligation number is the sum of the remaining contract values for our telecom services and software solutions customers that will be recognized on a sliding scale over the next 60 months, and is a strong indicator of our future revenue stream.

Speaker #9: Consolidated gross margin for Q2 was $63%, flat with Q2 of 2024, we continue to see strong gross margins in our software solution segment where gross margins improved to 74% for the quarter compared to 73% in Q2 of 2024.

Speaker #9: For the first six months of the year, our software solutions gross margins were 76%, highlighting the scalability and operating leverage we have on the software segment of the business.

Speaker #9: Our telecom services segment gross margin was 56%, which was down from Q2 of 2024 and flat with Q1. Our telecom service gross margins are affected by product gross margins, which declined year-over-year as a result of the decline in product revenue.

Speaker #9: We are confident that we will continue to see gross margin improvements in both segments of the business in the future as we start to recognize cost savings from our planned consolidation of our data centers to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure.

Speaker #9: Crescendo's engineering team continues to enhance and improve our award-winning technology and our platform. Our cloud-native platform with robust and advanced API integrations allows us to enhance offerings with both in-house and third-party developed solutions.

Speaker #9: Artificial intelligence is leading the charge in these developments with many new and planned releases that will make small and mid-sized businesses more efficient and more productive.

Speaker #9: We currently have a variety of AI solutions already available for end users, including our Voice AI Studio, AI Call Recording, and Contact Center AI powered by ChatGPT, as well as new applications that are close to being released, like our AI Assistant and our AI Operator solutions that will help end user customers do more with less.

Speaker #9: Crescendo's performance for quarter and first half of 2025 was very strong and I couldn't be more excited about the future direction and opportunity Crescendo.

Speaker #9: We continue to see strong double-digit organic growth combined with increasing GAAP profitability and strong positive cash flow. We are positioned perfectly with a combination strong demand for our product offerings, along with great solutions, with a disruptive pricing model, and the best and most talented workforce in the industry to continue our strong growth and success.

Speaker #9: Committed to delivering the best UCaaS, CCaaS, and CPaaS offerings in the sector to our ustomers and our partners, and the best returns for our shareholders.

Speaker #9: We're proud to be the fastest-growing platform solution in the country and excited to see how future AI enhancements will spur our growth to $7 million end users and higher.

Speaker #9: We're laser-focused on enhancing our solutions, improving our efficiencies, and continuing to return strong results. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Jeff.

Speaker #7: Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Ron. Paul, you may open the call up to questions.

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Speaker #5: And one moment, please, while we pull for questions. The first question today is coming from Joshua Riley from Needham. Joshua, your line is live.

Speaker #10: All right. Thanks for taking my questions. Nice job on the quarter here. Maybe just starting off in terms of the pipeline, for the second half of the year, congrats on adding two licensees in the quarter.

Speaker #10: Just wanted to verify, does that bring the total active licensee count to 240? And I guess, what do you just seeing overall in terms of the setup for the second half and in terms of, ramping existing licensees, to grow software solutions versus, adding net new licensees, to the to the mix?

Speaker #7: Josh, I'm going to go in verse order. We we see we have a lot we have a large number of sandboxes out and a large number of people interested.

Speaker #7: So, we expect to see continued growth in new licensees, while also seeing growth in upgrades. Both seem to be on a strong trajectory.

Speaker #7: So we're excited about that. the number, Doug, what is the current number of licensees do you have?

Speaker #11: Yeah. We always light, Josh, 235 plus, but I think, that number is probably pretty accurate at, 240 with the two additional licensees. we usually go with, the licensee number when they actually go live.

Speaker #11: So when we sell an account, maybe you know a couple of weeks or a month before that actual account goes live. So we don't actually give an ongoing, live number as of the moment, but, that number is in the is in the right ballpark.

Speaker #7: And we do, obviously, we do obviously promote when we get wins from from, Broadsoft and, Cisco. from Broadsoft and MetaSwitch.

Speaker #10: Gotcha. Understood. And then US Cellular, obviously, is a key reseller for you on the telecom service side of the business. I believe their acquisition by T-Mobile just closed yesterday.

Speaker #10: do you think this could ate some incremental opportunities for you or how are you kind of managing this relationship now that they've, been acquired by, T-Mobile?

Speaker #11: Yeah. I think there's a tremendous opportunity there. US Cellular has been a fantastic partner for us for over eight years now. one of our largest resellers out there.

Speaker #11: a lot of excitement going into the T-Mobile combination and, we anticipate, you know, getting to the table with T-Mobile and seeing if we can expand that great success we've had with US Cellular to their team as well.

Speaker #11: So, I know that we've got a tremendous amount of support with the US Cellular folks and, they're excited about the merger. Obviously, they're two or three days into the merger, so, there's still a lot of, things that they've got to get cleared up on their end, , you know, we had a tremendously strong quarter, and first half of the year with US Cellular, and we anticipate that, excitement in, momentum to continue with the T-Mobile acquisition.

Speaker #11: And we're hopeful that, we get a really nice seat at the table with, h, T-Mobile to expand that offering with them.

Speaker #10: Awesome. Maybe I'll just sneak in one question on margins. now that you've closed down the international data centers, what, what should expect in terms of margin improvement for the second half of the year?

Speaker #10: Or is it going to be more weighted to next year when you're able to close down the domestic, data centers?

Speaker #7: Josh, it's going to be, I'll let Ron get a little more detail, but it's going to be more weighted last next year when we close more of the data centers in the United States.

Speaker #7: And as ou understand, at the same time, we're continuing to invest back in the business. So that will also have some impact.

Speaker #11: Yeah, that's right. As Jeff mentioned, we're looking for the major savings to be when we're able to shut down our U.S. data centers.

Speaker #11: so that'll be, you know, next year. the the shutdown of the, the international data centers, on our original timeline is a major, accomplishment for us, but, incremental savings is, minimal.

Speaker #11: As we, you know, reinvest that into the business as we add more resources. So, the international will not have an immediate impact on margins, but we do expect margins to improve when we are able to shut down the U.S.

Speaker #11: So stay tuned on that.

Speaker #10: Awesome. Thank you all. Pass it along.

Speaker #11: Thanks, h.

Speaker #7: Josh.

Speaker #5: Thank you. The next question will be from Mike Latimore from Northern Capital Markets. Mike, your line is live.

Speaker #7: All right. Great. Thanks, Jeff. Excellent results. Great, EBITDA software growth. you you touched on, master agent growth being very strong. W anything in that sparked that kind of growth through that channel?

Speaker #11: Yeah. I'll start with my thoughts, and then I'll let Jon add some color to it. We’ve been working with the telecom service distributors and brokers out there for quite some time and have some really strong relationships.

Speaker #11: And those relationships just take a lot of TLC to foster and grow. So, you know, I think as we continue to gain more momentum with them, it's because we do a great job of implementing their sales.

Speaker #11: And so if an agent brings us an opportunity and we, do a great job with it, they're likely to bring us more opportunities. We always highlight our G2, customer service and satisfaction results out there.

Speaker #11: And that's pretty evident with, you know, being able to gain traction with these master agents out there. You know, if you stub your toe with a master agent, they can put you in the penalty box. The fact of the matter is, we've been doing a great job with them.

Speaker #11: in fact, I think we're at, one of the larger, master agents, conference as we speak, with our team and making great inroads there. But, you know, I think overall, we're real pleased with the results we're seeing there, and we continue to, spend a lot of time and resources to make sure , we grow that, that part of the business.

Speaker #11: Jon, any additional color?

Speaker #9: Yeah, I would just add to it, Mike. Our focus there has always been to not try to partner with all of the technology services distributors, but to focus on a small group and grow with them over time.

Speaker #9: And our team's just been, executing well in in with the partners that we're aligned with. We're ing investments in their program, their community, and we're, you know, getting good word-of-mouth and repeat orders based on some of the factors that Doug talked with our G2 rankings for customer service and success and implementation ability.

Speaker #9: So it's just continued pull-through of, long-term investment with those partners. Mm-hmm.

Speaker #7: Okay. Sounds good. And then, Doug, just wanted be clear that you you did reiterate, an expectation of growing at a double-digit rate. Is that what you said?

Speaker #11: Yes. Correct. Organically, you know, I think we're at, 13% for the year, and we anticipate, staying in that double-digit organic growth range.

Speaker #7: Okay. And what what kind , how would you bracket software revenue growth within that time?

Speaker #11: Yeah. Obviously, as you look at the organic growth, you know, the 30% plus range that we've been in for software solutions for the last three or four quarters now has been pretty exceptional.

Speaker #11: And that's helped raise the bar for the whole organization. But, you know, we continue to see great success with our licensees out there. They continue to grow and expand.

Speaker #11: And as they do that, they expand with us. So, you know, as we look at where we are today, there is strong software solutions growth, combined with organic growth on the telecom service side.

Speaker #11: And as I highlighted in my comments, you know, continuing to grow the telecom services revenue is is critical for us. we'd like to get that back to double digits, right now.

Speaker #11: We're seeing a lot more success keeping in the high double digits with software solutions, but we continue to see great success on the telecom services side as well.

Speaker #7: Got it. And just last one, I guess, as you look at potential acquisitions, how are how are the valuation expectations of the, of the targets at this point?

Speaker #7: Eric, when I ok at acquisitions, I'm just sorry, Mike, when I look at acquisitions, I, try to find something that we are convinced that we can save find some savings.

Speaker #7: And we'll be accretive in no more than three quarters. That's the benchmark we look at. Great. Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #5: you. The next question will be from Eric Martinuzzi from Lake Street. Eric, your line is live.

Speaker #12: Yeah. I wanted to go a layer deeper on the RPO/backlog color that you gave. That's impressive growth there. You're up 17% year-on-year to $83.5 million.

Speaker #12: Yeah. I wanted to go a layer deeper on the RPO/backlog color that you gave. That's impressive growth there. You're up 17%. Year-on-year to 83.5

Speaker #12: Just curious to know if the kind of the thank mix of the contract terms in there is similar to what we had coming out of Q1, as far as, you know, how long people, what the, you know, what's going to be recognized, say, in the remainder of 2025 or over the next 12 months compared to a quarter ago?

Speaker #11: Yeah. So, on our RPOs, you know, you know, there's highly weighted to the first, three years of the five-year runout. If you look at ur, runout, five-year runout that we have in our footnotes, and there's, you know, 23 million and 25 remaining, 27 million and 26, and 18 million and 27.

Speaker #11: And it trails off to 9 million and 5 million. So it's heavily weighted to those first three years because we typically sell, 36 to 60-month contracts, heavily weighted in the three-year term.

Speaker #7: Got it. And then, hardware, it is a small number, but, it was below what I was modeling. I I was coming in at around, you ow, a million five or so, and you guys did a little bit less than that.

Speaker #7: you did mention you called out that we're talking about, you know, product is not a focus. Low-margin product is not a focus for you guys anymore, but is there a kind of an annualized number that we should be thinking about, or is it just was there a a one-off issue in Q2 where maybe we recognized them in Q1 and it'll come back in Q3?

Speaker #11: Yeah. As we as we've id, all along, we typically guide to, the lower of our prior four historical four quarter averages because we it's hard to determine when that, one-time revenue comes in, whether it's a cabling job of a school district's, or it's, the desktop phones, or, you ow, any other equipment we may may sell on our MSP division as as routers and switches.

Speaker #11: the timing on that is, you know, unknown. You know, it's kind bumpy and, you know, we it comes and goes from one quarter to the next.

Speaker #11: So it's for us to put a put a big number on products when, we don't know what, you ow, which period or what quarter that revenue is going to come in.

Speaker #7: And Eric, on top of that, as Doug had mentioned, and we are strategically looking at product and trying to disassociate from some of the more labor-intensive very low-margin business that just doesn't make sense for us.

Speaker #11: I think one last thing, Eric, just to highlight is that, you know, as Ron said, it does, seem to ebb and flow, but, in the last quarter, you know, we did see a higher, component of customers that brought their own devices.

Speaker #11: So you know it used to be where the high, high majority of customers that we were selling were legacy premise-based, customers. And now we're starting to see more and more customers that are moving from one void provider over to Crescendo.

Speaker #11: So if they move from a RingCentral or an 8x8 and move over to Crescendo and they bring their existing, instruments adapt them to our system.

Speaker #11: And so we don't have a hardware component in those particular sales.

Speaker #7: Got it. Thanks for taking my estion.

Speaker #5: Thank you. The next question will be from George Sutton from Craig-Hollander. George, your line is live.

Speaker #13: Thank you. It was nice see both a MetaSwitch and a Broadsoft licensee come over. Could you just give us an update on the, movement or activity that you're eing within those

Speaker #13: licensee opportunities? Well, as I as I said previously, George, with them, you know, we can we do have a lot of sandboxes out. We do have a lot of, of excitement.

Speaker #13: But as you understand, it's a long sales process. So it's hard for us to give you an estimate of when we expect X number to close.

Speaker #13: But we are very excited by, the interest we have seen and the discussions we're ing with various potential customers.

Speaker #11: And I will highlight that the two opportunities that we did close during the quarter were larger on the larger scale. And so, you know, when we look at, you know, the amount of revenue that we're seeing out of the new logos, the amount of revenue that we saw out of the new logos in Q2, was considerably higher on average than we've seen in previous quarters because they were larger opportunities.

Speaker #13: Great point. So on your new innovations and as you add, AI callbots, for example, can you just walk through, as you're adding these in, I assume my existing customers see the benefits and my new customers are now more opportunistic with those add-ons?

Speaker #13: Is that, how this will work from a pricing perspective?

Speaker #11: You nailed . Yeah. We see a lot of opportunity for upsell to our existing customers. And in many cases, it might be the reason why a new customer comes on board is they see the technology advantages.

Speaker #11: So, you know, in some cases, customers that have been with us for quite some time, you know, take for granted that, you know, the system is the system.

Speaker #11: But, you know, we're constantly coming out with new enhancements and letting our ustomer base know about new enhancements. So, you ow, instead of them going out and looking on the market to see who can handle a particular application for them, in many cases, we already have that.

Speaker #11: And so their first call is hopefully to us, and we can sell them an upsell on, a new AI, capability or a new feature capability within the system.

Speaker #13: Awesome. That's it for me. Thanks, guys.

Speaker #7: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank you. The next the next question will be from Josh Nichols from B-Reilly Securities. Josh, your line is live.

Speaker #14: Hi. This is Matthew Owen for Josh Nichols. Thanks taking my questions. I guess to start off, I mean, product revenue and margins showed some nice sequential improvement.

Speaker #14: So do you ink competitors are starting to pull back from the irrational pricing, or what do you ink the status on that is?

Speaker #11: Competitors have not started to pull back on the irrational pricing. And the market is just as competitive as it has been. We think we're winning more because of the value of our product service and customer service in .

Speaker #11: But as we said, we're going to continue to try and expand and continue to grow.

Speaker #14: Got it. Great. And I guess just one last one for me. I mean, just given Mattel's bankruptcy filing back in March, is there an update on the size that opportunity for you, or has there been any benefits from that that you've realized recently?

Speaker #11: Yeah. This is Jon. I'll add that we continue to see, you know, Michael had been kind retracting themselves from their cloud business for some time.

Speaker #11: But we continue to see opportunity with partners who are Michael partners overall in who are looking for a transition or a home for the future as we do in a lot of the legacy providers.

Speaker #11: So it continues to be a source for us for potential new licensees and also partners in our retail business. And we've recently made some new introductions around that portfolio that we think will be of efit to us even more.

Speaker #11: So we continue to see in that legacy communications market partners that are finding us as the home for the next 5 to 10 years for their customers.

Speaker #14: Got it. Great. Thanks for thanks for the help.

Speaker #11: Thank you. Hey, Paul, let's take one more question.

Speaker #5: Okay. The final question today is coming from Jesse Sobelson from Deborah Capital. Jesse, your line is live.

Speaker #15: Hey, guys. You know, a lot of ings have been hit on here. Thanks for taking one last question here. I guess just on international expansion, you ow, previously you've highlighted some strong demand in Europe.

Speaker #15: how has, how has the the international, markets looked for you, recently? And is there any specific interest in any geographies in particular recently? Thank ou.

Speaker #7: Well, international continues to expand and we continue to do quite well there. And, the advantage OCI is location is almost irrelevant to us because we can sell one instance in any one country and open up, a data center there.

Speaker #7: So, while we primarily, rely on, Europe and, Europe and, particularly Europe and Australia, we're willing to expand anywhere.

Speaker #15: Okay. Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thank ou. And this does conclude today's Q&A session. I will now hand the call back to Jeff Korn for closing remarks.

Speaker #7: Well, thank you very much, Paul, and thanks all of you for your attention. We appreciate your support. And, h, we hope to be delivering equally as exciting news on our Q3 conference call when we'll speak to you again.

Speaker #7: So, everybody, have a great, afternoon or evening, depending upon where you are. And, we'll speak to you on Q3. Thank you.

Speaker #15: Thanks, everybody. Bye-bye.