Q2 2025 Service Corp International Earnings Call

July 31, 2025

Operator: Good day, and welcome to the SCI second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one, on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to SCI management. Please go ahead.

Operator: Good day, and welcome to the SCI second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to SCI management. Please go ahead.

Good day and welcome to the S CI. Second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need a assistance? Please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero.

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Trey Bocage: Good morning. This is Trey Bocage, Director of Investor Relations and Strategic Finance. Welcome to our second quarter earnings call of 2025. We will have some prepared remarks about the quarter from Tom and Eric in just a minute. But before that, let me quickly go over the safe harbor language. Any comments made by our management team that state our plans, beliefs, expectations, or projections for the future are forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated in such statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in our earnings release and in our filings with the SEC that are available on our website. Today, we might also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures.

Good morning. This is Trey, boage director of investor relations, and strategic Finance. Welcome to our second quarter earnings call of 2025. We will have some prepared remarks about the quarter from Tom, and Eric in just a minute. But before that, let me quickly go over the safe harbor language.

Any comments made by our management team at State. Our plans to be least expectations or projections for the future, our forward-looking statements

these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated in such statements,

Trey Bocage: A reconciliation of these measures can be found in the tables at the end of our earnings release and on our website. With that out of the way, I will now turn the call over to Tom Ryan, Chairman and CEO.

These risks and uncertainties include but are not limited to those factors identified in our earnings release and on and and and our filings with the SEC that are available on our website. Today, we might also discuss certain non-gaap Financial measures

A Reconciliation of these measures can be found in the tables at the end of our earnings release and on our website.

Thomas Ryan: Thanks, Trey. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. This morning, I'm going to begin my remarks with some high-level color on our business performance for the quarter, then provide some greater detail around our funeral and cemetery results. I will then close with some thoughts about our earnings expectations for the rest of 2025. For the second quarter, we generated adjusted earnings per share of 88 cents, which was more than an 11% increase compared to the 79 cents reported in the prior year period. We saw impressive increases in funeral revenue and gross profit, partially offset by slightly lower cemetery gross profit and higher corporate general and administrative expense, which when combined resulted in 5 cents of earnings per share growth from operating income.

With that out of the way, I will now turn the call over to Tom Ryan chairman and CEO. Thanks Trey. Hello everyone. And thank you for joining us on the call today.

This morning, I'm going to begin my remarks with some high-level color on our business performance for the quarter, then provide some greater detail around our funeral and Cemetery results.

I will then close with some thoughts about our earnings expectations for the rest of 2025.

For the second quarter, we generated adjusted earnings per share of 88 cents which was more than an 11% increase compared to the 79 cents reported in the prior year period.

We saw impressive increases in funeral revenue and gross profit.

Thomas Ryan: Below the line, the favorable impact of a lower share count and a slightly lower net interest expense resulted in an additional 4 cents of earnings per share growth. Now let's take a deeper look into the funeral results for the quarter. Total comparable funeral revenue increased over $15 million, or about 3% over the prior year quarter, primarily due to solid growth from both core revenue and core general agency revenue. Comparable core funeral revenues increased by $8 million, or about 2%, primarily due to a healthy 3.3% growth in the core average revenue per service, which was modestly impacted by a 20 basis point increase in the core probation rate. The favorable impact from the core average growth was partially offset by a 1.5% decrease in core funeral services performed.

Thomas Ryan: Below the line, the favorable impact of a lower share count and a slightly lower net interest expense resulted in an additional 4 cents of earnings per share growth. Now let's take a deeper look into the funeral results for the quarter. Total comparable funeral revenue increased over $15 million, or about 3% over the prior year quarter, primarily due to solid growth from both core revenue and core general agency revenue. Comparable core funeral revenues increased by $8 million, or about 2%, primarily due to a healthy 3.3% growth in the core average revenue per service, which was modestly impacted by a 20 basis point increase in the core cremation rate. The favorable impact from the core average growth was partially offset by a 1.5% decrease in core funeral services performed.

Partially offset by slightly lower Cemetery, gross profit, and higher, corporate General, and administrative expense, which 1 combined resulted, in 5, cents of earnings per share. Growth from operating income,

Below the line, the favorable impact of a lower share count and a slightly lower net, interest expense resulted in an additional 4 cents of earnings per share growth.

Now, let's take a deeper look into the funeral results for the quarter.

Total comparable funeral Revenue, increased over 15 million, or about 3% over the prior year quarter.

Primarily due to solid growth from both core revenue and core General agency Revenue.

Comparable.

Revenues.

Increased by 8 million or about 2%.

Primarily due to A Healthy 3.3% Growth in the core average, revenue per service, which was modestly impacted by a 20 basis. Point increase in the core cremation rate,

The favorable impact from the core average growth is partially offset by a 1.5% decrease in Core Funeral Services performed.

Thomas Ryan: Core general agency and other revenue grew by an impressive $7 million, primarily driven by higher average commission rates derived from our new pre-need insurance marketing agreement, which were partially offset by a decline in insurance-funded pre-need funeral sales production. Funeral gross profit increased by about $15 million, while the gross profit percentage increased by 210 basis points, or about 20%. This gross profit increase was the result of the solid 3% revenue increase, combined with managing our fixed costs below inflationary trends to about a 1% increase for the quarter, as we continue to focus on leveraging our scale both in the field operations through staffing metrics and in our overhead support functions. Pre-need funeral sales production decreased by $29 million, or about 9% over the second quarter of 2024.

Corps, General agency and other Revenue grew by an impressive. 7 million, primarily driven by higher average commission rates, derived from our new pre-need insurance marketing agreement,

which were partially offset by a decline in Insurance funded pre-need funeral sales production.

Funeral gross profit increased by about 15 million.

While the gross profit percentage increased by 210 basis points or about 20%.

This gross profit increase was the result of the solid 3% Revenue, increase combined with managing our fixed costs, below inflationary Trends, to about a 1% increase for the quarter, as we continue to focus on leveraging our scale, both in the field operations through Staffing metrics and in our overhead support funds.

Thomas Ryan: Core pre-need funeral sales production decreased by $18 million, or 7%, primarily due to the transition to our new pre-need insurance provider in July of 2024. We anticipate comparable core pre-need sales production growth in the back half of 2025. Non-funeral home pre-need sales production decreased $10 million, or 14%, as SCI Direct transitions from the sale of trust to insurance-funded pre-need contracts. This transition has required many of our sales counselors in certain states to go through extensive training, obtain insurance licenses, and change the payment terms for customers financing their pre-need, all of which contributes to a temporary reduction in the number of contracts written. As of today, we have made the transition in markets that represent 95% of our production. We expect that in early 2026, we will experience year-over-year growth again for SCI Direct as a whole. Now shifting to cemetery.

Pre-need funeral sales production decreased by 29 million or about 9% of the second quarter of 2024.

Core pre-need Funeral sales production decreased by 18 million dollars or 7% primarily due to the transition. To our new pre-need insurance provider in July of 2024.

We anticipate comparable core pre-need sales production growth in the back half of 2025.

Non Funeral Home printing sales, production decreased 10 million or 14%.

Trust to Insurance funded pre-need contracts.

This transition has required many of our sales counselors in certain states to go through extensive training, obtain insurance licenses, and change the payment terms for customers financing their pre-need.

All of which contributes to a temporary reduction in the number of contracts written.

As of today, we have made the transition in markets that represent 95% of our production.

We expect that an early 2026 that we will experience year-over-year growth again for Sci direct as a whole.

Now shifting to cemetery.

Thomas Ryan: Comparable cemetery revenue increased by $2 million, or almost 1%. Slightly higher core revenue and higher other revenue accounted for in the increase. Our core revenue increase of about $1 million over the prior year quarter was primarily attributable to a $3 million increase in at-need revenue, which was partially offset by a $2 million decline in recognized pre-need revenue. Within recognized pre-need revenue, higher pre-need merchandise and service revenues, which include recognized trust fund income, were more than offset by lower pre-need property revenue, which was negatively affected by a lower recognition rate on new construction compared to the prior year. While recognized pre-need cemetery revenue declined due to lower recognition rates, comparable pre-need cemetery sales production increased by almost $19 million, or over 5%, driven by a healthy increase in large sales, as well as a modest increase in core sales.

Comparable, Cemetery, Revenue increased by $2 million or almost 1%.

Slightly higher, core, revenue, and higher other Revenue, accounted for the increase.

Our core Revenue increase of about 1 million dollars over the prior year, quarter was primarily attributable to a $3 million increase in antney Revenue, which was partially offset by a $2 million decline in recognized pre-need Revenue.

within recognized pre-need Revenue, higher printing merchandise and service revenues, which include recognized trust fund income were more than offset by lower pre-need property Revenue, which was negatively affected by a lower recognition rate on new construction, compared to the prior year,

While recognized pre-need Cemetery Revenue declined due to lower recognition rates comparable pre-need Cemetery, sales production, increased by almost 19 million, or over 5%.

Driven by a healthy increase in large sales, as well as a modest increase in core sales.

Thomas Ryan: While these incremental sales were deferred for revenue recognition in the second quarter, they should benefit future periods as we achieve the required payment criteria and/or complete construction of the project. Cemetery gross profit in the quarter decreased by $4 million, and the gross profit percentage declined by 110 basis points, generating an operating margin percentage of 33%. Our modest revenue growth was offset by higher selling compensation on higher sales production. The profit decline was partially mitigated by less than inflationary fixed cost growth of 1%, as we continue to focus on leveraging our scale both in the field operations and in our overhead support functions. Now let's shift to a discussion about our outlook for the remainder of 2025. As you saw in the earnings release, we are confirming our normalized earnings per share guidance range of $3.70 to $4 for 2025.

While these incremental sales were deferred for Revenue recognition in the second quarter, they should benefit future periods as we achieve the required payment criteria and or complete construction of the project.

Cemetery gross profit in the quarter, decreased by $4 million in the gross profit percentage declined by 110 basis points.

Generating. An operating margin percentage of 33%.

Our modest Revenue growth was offset by higher selling compensation, on higher sales production.

The Profit declined was partially mitigated by less than inflationary fixed cost. Growth of 1%. As we continue to focus on leveraging, our scale, both in the field operations and in our overhead support functions.

Now, let's shift to discussion about our outlook for the remainder of 2025.

Thomas Ryan: And we are raising our cash flow outlook due to stronger working capital trends in the business, as well as anticipated lower cash taxes from recent legislative changes that were enacted. For the back half of 2025, we expect growth in revenues and margins for both the funeral and cemetery segments, resulting in impressive earnings per share growth versus the prior year's six-month period, as well as compared sequentially to the first six months of 2025. We also expect both pre-need cemetery sales production, as well as pre-need funeral sales production, to grow at low to mid-single-digit percentages over the prior year's six-month period.

Thomas Ryan: And we are raising our cash flow outlook due to stronger working capital trends in the business, as well as anticipated lower cash taxes from recent legislative changes that were enacted. For the back half of 2025, we expect growth in revenues and margins for both the funeral and cemetery segments, resulting in impressive earnings per share growth versus the prior year's six-month period, as well as compared sequentially to the first six months of 2025. We also expect both pre-need cemetery sales production, as well as pre-need funeral sales production, to grow at low to mid-signal digit percentages over the prior year's six-month period.

And you saw on the earnings release. We are confirming our normalized earnings per share, guidance range of $3.70 to $4 for 2025.

And we are raising our cash flow Outlook due to Stronger working capital Trends in the business as well as anticipated lower cash taxes from recent legislative changes that were inactive.

For the back half of 2025, we expect growth in revenues and margins for both the funeral and Cemetery segments.

We also expect both printing Cemetery sales production as well as printed funeral sales production to grow at low to mid single digit percentages over the prior year. 6-month period.

Thomas Ryan: Below the line, we expect the favorable impact from a lower share count will be substantially negated by a higher effective tax rate, particularly in the third quarter, as we compare it to a prior year rate reduced by the deductibility of excess tax benefits from certain stock option exercises, which is no longer deductible for us in 2025. In conclusion, I want to acknowledge and thank the entire SCI team for their daily commitment to our customers, our communities, and one another. Your skill, dedication, compassion, and attention to detail is the foundation of our success. While I know many of our professional team members help client families navigate painful loss every day, I would like to particularly recognize our Texas teams who have been caring for so many families impacted by the heartbreaking tragedy that occurred on July 4th in the Texas Hill Country.

Below the line. We expect the favorable impact from a lower share count will be substantially negated by a higher effective tax rate particularly in the third quarter as we compared to a prior year rate reduced by the deductibility of excess tax benefits from certain stock options exercises.

Which is no longer deductible for us in 2025.

in conclusion, I want to acknowledge and thank the entire SCI team for their Daily Commitment to our customers, our communities, and 1 another

Your skill dedication, compassion and attention to detail is the foundation of our success.

Well, I know many of our professional team members, help, client families, navigate painful loss every day.

Thomas Ryan: What I have witnessed and heard from countless friends and colleagues, including other independent funeral operators, is that our teams have performed above and beyond. Thank you for being a source of strength, respect, and peace. Your grace and compassion will never be forgotten. Thank you all for making a difference every day. And with that, operator, I'll turn it over to Eric.

What I have witnessed and heard from, countless, friends and colleague. I mean colleagues, including other Independent Funeral operators, is that our teams have performed above and beyond

Thank you for being a source of strength, respect and peace.

Your grace and compassion will never be forgotten.

Eric Tanzberger: Thanks, Tom. Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining us on the call today. To start, I really need to just continue some of the statements that Tom just mentioned and express all of our heartfelt gratitude to each of our associates. Again, your exceptional service and dedication make it possible for us to support client families during some of the most difficult times of their lives. Your hard work truly does make a difference. And we are appreciative and proud of all that you do to support the families, as well as the communities that we serve. So with those statements, I'd now like to shift to beginning my remarks today, as I typically do, by providing highlights on our cash flow and capital investments during this quarter. I'll then make a few comments about corporate G&A, and I'll conclude with an update on our overall financial position.

Thank you all for making a difference every day. And with that operator, I'll turn it over to Eric.

Thanks Tom. Good morning everybody. And thank you for joining us on the call today to start. I really need to just continue some of the

Statements that Tom just mentioned and express all of our heartfelt gratitude to each of our Associates.

Again your exceptional service and dedication, make it possible for us to support client families during some of the most difficult times of their lives, your hard work. Truly does make a difference.

And we are appreciative and proud of all that you do to support the families, as well as the communities that we serve.

Eric Tanzberger: So we generated an adjusted operating cash flow of $168 million during the quarter, adjusting for $84 million of higher cash taxes. Adjusted operating cash flow really increased 33 million from the prior year after making this adjustment. So let's break that down a little bit during the quarter. From an underlying funeral and cemetery business perspective, adjusted operating cash flow was supported by higher funeral and cemetery gross profits of just under $14 million during the quarter that Tom really just walked us through. Additionally, we had a net $43 million source of working capital in the quarter, driven by $20 million of higher cemetery installment receipts and $23 million, which were sources of cash related to the working capital timing of payroll, payables, and some other working capital items.

So at those statements, I now like to shift to beginning my remarks today, as I typically do by providing highlights on our cash flow and capital Investments during this quarter. I'll then make a few comments about corporate GNA and I'll conclude with an update on our overall financial position.

So we generated adjusted operating cash flow of 168 million during the quarter.

adjusting for 84 million dollars of higher cash taxes, adjusted operating cash flow, really increased 33 million from the prior year after making this adjustment,

So, let's break that down a little bit during the quarter.

From an underlying funeral and Cemetery business perspective. Adjusted operating cash flow is supported by higher Fuel and Cemetery growth profits of just under 14 million during the quarter that Tom really just walked us through.

Eric Tanzberger: Partially offsetting these increases, corporate G&A expenses increased, and cash interest was also higher by about $14 million, which was due to the timing associated with the bond financing and coinciding reduction of our bank credit facility, which we completed last September of 2024. Lower rates on floating rate debt were largely offset by higher floating rate balances for the remainder of the quarter. Lastly, related to cash taxes, recall that prior year cash flow was favorably impacted by a change in tax accounting method that benefited cash taxes. Cash taxes of $94 million were significantly higher than the prior year by $84 million, which we fully expected and have communicated several times over the past few quarters. So now let's move on to capital investments. We invested $100 million in the quarter into existing locations, cemetery development, new builds, business acquisitions, and real estate purchases.

Additionally we had a net 43 million source of working capital in the quarter, driven by 20 million dollars of higher Cemetery, installment receipts and 23 million dollars which were sources of cash related to the timing. Working capital timing of payroll payables and some other working capital items.

Partially upsetting these increases.

Corporate GNA expenses increased in, cash interest was also Higher by about 14 million dollars which is due to the timing associated with the bond financing and coinciding reduction of our bank credit facility, which we completed last September of 2024.

Lower rates on floating rate. Debt were largely offset by higher floating rate balances for the remainder of the quarter.

Lastly, related to cash taxes, recall that prior year cash flow was favorably impacted by a change in tax accounting method. That benefited cash taxes, which were $94 million, significantly higher than the prior year by $84 million, which we fully expected and have communicated several times over the past few quarters.

So now let's move on to Capital Investments.

Eric Tanzberger: So breaking down this spend, we invested $69 million of maintenance capital, primarily into our current funeral homes and cemeteries, which was in line with our expectations. $35 million of this was allocated to highly profitable cemetery development projects, $29 million into current funeral and cemetery locations, and $5 million into digital investments and some corporate spend. We also invested $18 million of growth capital in the quarter to purchase real estate and for the construction of new funeral homes and cemeteries. Finally, we invested $13 million into business acquisitions in the quarter. And on that topic, we again remain optimistic about our acquisition pipeline, and we anticipate achieving our $75 to $125 million acquisition investment target for 2025 for the full year.

We invested a hundred million dollars in the quarter. Into existing locations, Cemetery development, new builds business Acquisitions, and real estate purchases. So, breaking down this spend we invested 60 million dollars of Maintenance Capital, primarily into our current funeral homes and cemeteries which was in line with our expectations

35 million of this was allocated to highly profitable Cemetery development projects.

29 million into Current Funeral and cemetery locations and 5 million into digital Investments and some corporate spend

We also invested 18 million of growth capital in the quarter to purchase real estate and for the construction of new funeral homes and cemeteries.

Finally, we invested 13 million into business Acquisitions in the quarter. And on that topic, we again remain optimistic about our acquisition pipeline.

Eric Tanzberger: So moving on to capital distributions, we returned a substantial $239 million of capital to our shareholders in the second quarter through $45 million of dividends and $194 million of sharing purchases. We repurchased about 2.5 million shares at an average price of about $78 during the quarter, bringing the number of shares outstanding to just over 140 million shares at the end of the quarter. So year to date, we've repurchased 4.1 million shares at an average price of also about $78, returning a total of $320 million of capital to shareholders through this repurchase program. Subsequent to the quarter, we have completed another half million shares for about $39 million, which equates to an average repurchase price of about $79 million.

And we anticipate achieving our 75 to 125 million acquisition investment Target for 2025 for the full year.

So, moving on to Capital distributions.

And 194 million of share repurchases.

We repurchased about 2 and a half million shares at an average price of about 78 dollars. During the quarter, bringing the number of shares outstanding to just over 140 million shares at the end of the quarter.

So year to date, we were purchased 4.1 million shares at an average price of also about 78 dollars returning, a total of 320 million of capital to shareholders through this repurchase program.

Subsequent to the quarter. We have completed. Another half million shares for about 39 million which equates to an average repurchase price of about 79 million.

Eric Tanzberger: So moving to our corporate G&A expense during the quarter, after adjusting for a $6.4 million pre-tax estimated charge for certain legal matters, G&A expenses increased 4.1 million quarter over quarter, which primarily was related to an increase in general and auto liability insurance costs, as well as higher expenses related to the timing of incentive compensation accruals. We continue to expect the recurring corporate G&A expense will average somewhere around $40 million per quarter for the remainder of the year, although we fully expect there'll be some variability in this quarterly number due to our long-term incentive compensation plans that could push us above or below this during a particular quarter. So let's talk about the outlook now for the rest of the year.

so, moving to our corporate G&A expense, during the quarter,

After adjusting, for a 6.4 million pre-tax.

Estimated charge for certain legal matters.

GNA expenses, increase 4.1 million quarter of a quarter, which primarily was related to an increase in general and auto liability insurance costs as well as higher expenses related to the timing of incentive compensation across.

We continue to expect that recurring corporate JNA expense will average somewhere around $40 million.

Per quarter from the remainder of the year. Although we fully expect, there'll be some variability in this quarterly number due to our long-term incentive compensation plans, that could push us above or below this during a particular quarter.

Eric Tanzberger: And as you saw in the press release, we revised and increased our 2025 adjusted operating cash flow guidance range to now $880 million to $940 million, which is a new higher midpoint, which equates to $910 million, which is a $50 million increase over the original guidance midpoint of $850 million. About $30 million of this cash flow increase relates to cash taxes, and another $20 million relates primarily to stronger-than-anticipated pre-need customer installment receipts. After deducting $315 million of expected maintenance capital for the full year, we now expect a very impressive adjusted free cash flow of almost $600 million for the full year of 2025. And as we've addressed for the past several quarters, cash taxes will revert to a more normalized level in 2025 compared to 2024, following a tax accounting method change that has benefited our cash flows since the third quarter of '23.

Eric Tanzberger: And as you saw in the press release, we revised and increased our 2025 adjusted operating cash flow guidance range to now $880 million to $940 million, which is a new higher midpoint, which equates to $910 million, which is a $50 million increase over the original guidance midpoint of $850 million. About $30 million of this cash flow increase relates to cash taxes, and another $20 million relates primarily to stronger-than-anticipated pre-need customer installment receipts. After deducting $315 million of expected maintenance capital for the full year, we now expect a very impressive adjusted free cash flow of almost $600 million for the full year of 2025. And as we have addressed for the past several quarters, cash taxes will revert to a more normalized level in 2025 compared to 2024, following a tax accounting method change that has benefited our cash flows since the third quarter of '23.

So, let's talk about the Outlook now for the rest of the year. And as you saw in the press release,

We revised and increased our 2025 adjusted operating cash flow. Guidance range. To now 880 million to 940 million, which is a new higher midpoint which equates to 910 million, which is $50 million increase over the original guidance, midpoint of 860 million

About 30 million of this cash flow, increase relates to cash taxes. And another 20 million relates primarily to stronger than anticipated premium customer installment receipts

After deducting, 315 million of expected maintenance capital for the full year.

We now expect very impressive, adjusted free cash flow of almost 600 million for the full year of 2025.

And as we've addressed for the past, several quarters,

Eric Tanzberger: Previously, we expected cash taxes to increase $150 million year over year. However, we now expect less of an increase due to the recently enacted federal tax legislation. While we continue to study the newly enacted law, we believe that certain components, such as accelerated depreciation changes, will now cause our 2025 cash taxes to rise only about $120 million year over year, which again results now in a full-year revised estimate of cash tax of $145 million. As we've addressed in prior quarters, we also expect our effective tax rate to be 25 to 26 percent in 2025, as SS tax benefits are no longer recognized on the settlement of certain executive employee share-based awards. And again, Tom also covered that. So I'll conclude my comments this morning with an update on our financial position.

has taxes will revert to a more normalized level in 2025, compared to 2024 following a tax accounting method change that has benefited our cash flows since the third quarter of 23,

Previously.

We expected cash, taxes to increase. 150 million dollars year-over-year.

We now expect less of an increase due to the recently enacted federal tax legislation.

While we continue to study the newly enacted law, we believe that certain components.

Such as accelerated depreciation, changes will now, cause our 2025 cash taxes to rise. Only about 120 million dollars, year-over-year

which again results now in a full year revised estimate of cash, tax of 145 million

As we've addressed in Prior quarters. We also expect our effective tax rate to be 25 to 26% in 2025 as SS tax. Benefits are no longer recognized on the settlement of certain executive employee share based Awards. And again, Tom also covered that

Eric Tanzberger: We continue to have a very attractive and manageable debt maturity profile with significant liquidity. We ended the quarter with a liquidity of about $1.4 billion, consisting of approximately $250 million of cash on hand and approximately $1.2 billion available on our long-term bank credit facility. Additionally, leverage at the end of the second quarter was 3.68 times net debt deep at the top, which again remains in the center of our long-term leverage target range of three and a half to four times. Our strong balance sheet position and this liquidity, combined with our robust cash flows, continue to support our capital investment program, providing us tremendous flexibility to invest opportunistically for the long-term benefit of SCI, our associates, and our shareholders. So finally, in closing, I want to reiterate how extremely proud we are of our entire SCI team.

Eric Tanzberger: We continue to have a very attractive and manageable debt maturity profile with significant liquidity. We ended the quarter with liquidity of about $1.4 billion, consisting of approximately $250 million of cash on hand and approximately $1.2 billion available on our long-term bank credit facility. Additionally, leverage at the end of the second quarter was 3.68 times net debt deep at the top, which again remains in the center of our long-term leverage target range of three and a half to four times. Our strong balance sheet position and this liquidity, combined with our robust cash flows, continue to support our capital investment program, providing us tremendous flexibility to invest opportunistically for the long-term benefit of SCI, our associates, and our shareholders. So finally, in closing, I want to reiterate how extremely proud we are of our entire SCI team.

So I'll conclude my comments this morning with an update on our financial position.

We continue to have a very attractive and manageable debt maturity profile with significant liquidity. We ended the quarter of liquidity of about 1.4 billion dollars

consisted of approximately 250 million dollars of cash on hand.

And approximately 1.2 billion dollars available on our long-term Bank. Credit facility.

Additionally, leverage at the end of the second quarter was 3.68 times. Net debt divided, uh, which again remains in the center of our long-term. Leverage target range of 3 and a half to 4 times.

Providing us tremendous flexibility to invest opportunistically for the long-term benefit of FCI. Our Associates, and our shareholders,

so finally,

Eric Tanzberger: The way we continue to serve our customers in their greatest time of need is truly inspiring. Thank you for everything that you do. So with that, operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. And with that, I'm going to turn it back over to you, and we'll open the call for questions.

In closing, I want to reiterate how extremely proud. We Are of our entire SEI team.

The way we continue to serve our customers and their greatest time of need is truly inspiring.

Thank you for everything that you do.

So with that operator, this concludes our prepared remarks. And with that, we're going to turn it back over to you.

And we'll open the call for questions.

Operator: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from AJ Rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

We will now begin the question and answer session. Do you ask a question? You may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speaker-phone please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question please press star. Then to at this time we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.

Our first question comes from AJ rice with UBS. Please go ahead.

A.J. Rice: Hi, everybody. Maybe I have a couple of questions I would ask if that's possible. First, on the dip in the recognition rate in the current quarter, is that just do you attribute that to the normal volatility you sometimes see in the cemetery production area, or was there anything unusual that drove that? And it sounds like you think that's going to step back up to more normal recognition rate in the back half of the year, and therefore you'll be able to book those sales. Is that the right way to think about it?

Uh, hi everybody. Um

Maybe I have a couple of questions I would like to ask if that's possible. Uh, first on the dip in the wreck recognition rate in the current quarter.

Is that just you attribute that to the normal? Um,

Eric Tanzberger: It is, AJ. You know, I mean, anytime that we are starting to build a new project or develop new parts of our cemetery, you know, we obviously at some point release that to our sales force and kind of pre-sell that project with with consumers in our particular cemeteries. And as we all know, that essentially gets moved from production into revenues, which that ratio is the rec rate you're describing at the time that the the construction project is completed. By definition, that's going to kind of ebb and flow. You usually see it in the low 90s in the first half and the higher 90s in the second half. What you saw in the press release of the low 90s is pretty sequentially consistent with what you saw last quarter.

Eric Tanzberger: It is, AJ. You know, I mean, anytime that we are starting to build a new project or develop new parts of our cemetery, you know, we obviously at some point release that to our sales force and kind of pre-sell that project with with consumers in our particular cemeteries. And as we all know, that essentially gets moved from production into revenues, which that ratio is the rec rate you're describing at the time that the completion of the construction project is completed. By definition, that's going to kind of ebb and flow. You usually see it in the low 90s in the first half and the higher 90s in the second half. What you saw in the press release of the low 90s is pretty sequentially consistent with what you saw last quarter.

Follow uh volatility sometimes seeing the cemetery production area or was there anything unusual the drove that and it sounds like you think that's going to step back up to more normal recognition rate, in the back half of the year and therefore, you'll be able to book those sales. Um, is that the right way to think about it?

It is AJ. You know, anytime that we are, uh, starting, uh, to build a new project or develop new parts of our cemetery, you know, we obviously, at some point, release that to our sales force and kind of pre-sell that project with, uh, with consumers in our particular cemeteries. And as we all know.

That essentially gets moved from production into revenues which that ratio is the wreck rate. You're you're describing at the time, this the completion of the construction project is completed by definition, that's going to kind of EB and flow. Um, you usually see it in the low 90s and the first half and the higher 90s, and the second half.

Eric Tanzberger: So what you should see in the back half of the year as projects complete and previously sold inventory gets recognized for revenues upon that completion is you're going to see that recognition rate raise in the second half of the year into the mid to higher 90s. I think as a general statement, I think last quarter we asked someone asked me about it, and I said, I think you're going to end the year somewhere around mid 90s in terms of that rec rate. That's very consistent with what we've ended last year as well. So the punchline really, AJ, at the end of the day is, you know, the natural ebb and flow of this process that occurs, there's nothing in the quarter that's deviating from that ebb and flow, and we feel very good about it.

What you saw in the press release of the low 90s is pretty sequentially consistent with what you saw last quarter. So what you should see in the back half of the year as projects complete. And previously sold, uh, inventory gets recognized for revenues upon that completion. Is you're going to see that recognition rate raise in the second half of the year, into the mid mid to higher 90s.

A.J. Rice: Okay. That's great. On the cremation rate, you know, off and on for the last year, year and a half, we've seen the rate of increase seemingly moderate. I know you're up 20 basis points this quarter. You know, historically, we've forecast 100 to 150 basis points. That's created a revenue headwind that you've each year had to overcome. Do we think that we're entering a period where that pace of increase is going to moderate? Any thoughts on what you've been seeing in the cremation rate?

I think as a general statement I think last quarter we add as someone asked me about it and I said I think you're going to end the year somewhere around mid 90s in terms of that wreck rate. That's very consistent with what we've ended last year as well. So the punch line really AJ. At the end of the day is you know, the natural ebb and flow of this process that occurs. There's nothing in the quarter that that's deviating from that uh ebb and flow and we feel very good about it.

Okay, that's great. Um, on the cremation rate, you know, off and on, for the last year and a half, we've seen the rate of increase seemingly moderate. I know you're at 20 basis points this quarter. Um, you know, historically we've forecast 100 to 150 basis points. That's great. It's a revenue headwind that you've each year had to overcome. Um,

Do we think that we're entering a period where that pace of increase is going to moderate, any thoughts on what you've been seeing in The Cremation rate?

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, AJ, this has been kind of an ongoing debate between Jay and I, and I think he's winning. I think two things are probably impacting this. One is when you get to cremation rates in some of these, you know, larger metropolitan markets, they're already pretty high. So where you have a lot of volume, the cremation rate's probably starting to stall a bit because it's gotten to that level. And so the cremation changes are happening in probably more rural markets and places like that. And the other thing is just the demographic makeup. You know, we probably serve a lot more, you know, consumers that are Hispanic, you know, Asian customs, which may be, lower cremation rates as you think about the population as a whole. So, so yeah, we've kind of dialed back our expectations.

yeah, Jay, this has been kind of a ongoing debate between J and I and uh I think he's winning the uh I I think 2 things are probably impacting those

Thomas Ryan: I do think 20 is still a little low, but, to probably say, you know, 50 to 80 is in a, you know, an area that we think probably as we go forward is the our expectations.

Systems which may be uh lower formation rates as you think about the population as a whole. So so yeah we've kind of dialed back our expectations. I do think 20 is still a little low but um to probably say, you know, 50 to 80 isn't a a, you know, an area that we think probably, as we go forward is the our expectations

A.J. Rice: Is there any way to translate that into at the 100 to 150 basis points, it's X percent headwind to revenue growth each year, and now at the at the new 50 to 80, it's more like Y percent, or is that probably a bridge too far?

Thomas Ryan: I think what we used to say, you know, we used to lose a percent. So think about it as if we put in a 3% price increase, it'd get us 2 with that old. And now I think instead of 100 basis point headwind, maybe it's more like a 50, is is the way to think about it. So, I mean, as an example, you saw our 3.3% increase in the quarter because the cremation rate was modest. you know, that's an area that I think we can start to, you know, model in as, you know, closer to the 3% rather than in the old days of thinking more around the 2, 2 and a half.

Is there any way to translate that into at the 100 to 150 basis points? It's X percent of headwind to revenue growth each year. And now at the at the noon, 50 to 80 it's more like why uh percent or is that probably a bridge too far?

A.J. Rice: Okay. And maybe just a final question on the comments around cash flow and the tax benefits from the, federal bill, etc. can you just, Eric, maybe comment a little more about what is stuff that you can realize this year, how much of a benefit versus stuff that's just going to persist? I know some of it is going to be permanent and some may be just you taking advantage of things that are available on a shorter-term basis. Can you give us a little more flavor on how much this, affects your thinking about long-term cash taxes?

I think what we used to say you know, we used to lose a percent, so think about it as if we put in a 3%, price, increase and get us 2 with that old and now I think of a 100 basis point headwind, maybe it's more like a 50, um, is, is the way to think about it. So, I mean, as an example, you saw our 3.3% increase in the quarter because the cremation rate was modest. Um, you know, that's an area that I think we can start to, you know, model in as, you know, closer to the 3%, rather than in the old days of thinking more around the 2, 2 and a half,

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, I think it does affect it, AJ, frankly. you know, because of the components of it. So when you talk about accelerated depreciation, you think like, okay, we'd accelerate something and then the depreciation's done with. But what it really, what you're accelerating are capital improvements. And we're going to have a consistent, ongoing capital improvement program. So when you think of our, you know, maintenance cap X of $315 million, you know, we've always broken that down for you that the true piece of maintenance is somewhere around $125,000, $135,000,000. That's the type of stuff, as long as it's less than, you know, 20 years as part of the tax depreciation tables, is the stuff that makes it eligible now that wasn't eligible prior to this newly enacted law. And to me, that's not a one-time benefit. That's something that will continue over a period of time.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, I think it does affect it, AJ, frankly, you know, because of the components of it. So when you talk about accelerated depreciation, you think like, okay, we're going to accelerate something and then the depreciation's done with. But what it really, what you're accelerating are capital improvements. And we're going to have a consistent, ongoing capital improvement program. So when you think of our, you know, maintenance cap X of $315 million, you know, we've always broken that down for you that the true piece of maintenance is somewhere around $125, $135 million. That's the type of stuff, as long as it's less than, you know, 20 years as part of the tax depreciation tables, is the stuff that makes it eligible now that wasn't eligible prior to this newly enacted law. And to me, that's not a one-time benefit.

Okay. And maybe just a final question on the comments around cash flow and the tax benefits from the um, Federal Bill Etc. Um, can you just Eric, maybe comment a little more about what is stuff that you can realize this year? Um, how much of a benefit versus stuff that's just going to persist. I know some of it is going to be permanent and some maybe just you taking advantage of things that are available on a shorter term basis. Can you give us a little more flavor on how much this uh affects your thinking about long-term cash taxes?

Yeah, I think it does affect it AJ frankly, um, you know, because of the components of it. So, when you talk about accelerated depreciation, you'd think like, okay, we're going to accelerate something and then the depreciation is done with. But what it really, what you're accelerating are Capital Improvements?

And we're going to have a consistent ongoing Capital Improvement program. So when you think of our, you know, maintenance capex of 315 million,

you know, we've always broken that down for you that the true piece of maintenance is somewhere around 125 135 million. That's the type of stuff as long as it's less than, you know, 20 years as part of the tax, depreciation tables is the stuff that makes it eligible. Now that wasn't eligible prior to this. Newly enacted law, and to me that

Thomas Ryan: That's something that will continue over a period of time. There's other stuff such as, software, internal use software that we create. Well, we do ongoing update our software and create our software. Some of our core software is is homegrown, such as our HMIS system. So that's something that you're going to have to continue to maintain. Beacon is homegrown. We'll continue to maintain. We'll continue to expand. So look, it's early, in the process for us to get it perfect. We definitely think there's, you know, a $30 million, benefit to us from a cash tax perspective, this year. And, but I don't think this is a one-time thing. I think there's going to be some type of benefit similar to what I just described to you going forward as well from a cash tax perspective.

Thomas Ryan: There's other stuff such as, software, internal use software that we create. Well, we do ongoing update our software and create our software. Some of our core software is is homegrown, such as our HMIS system. So that's something that you're going to have to continue to maintain. Beacon is homegrown. We'll continue to maintain. We'll continue to expand. So look, it's early, in the process for us to get it perfect. We definitely think there's, you know, a $30 million, benefit to us from a cash tax perspective, this year. And, but I don't think this is a one-time thing. I think there's going to be some type of benefit similar to what I just described to you going forward as well from a cash tax perspective.

That's not a 1-time benefit. That's something that will continue over a period of time. There's there's other stuff such as um, software internal use software that we create. Well, um, we do ongoing update our software and create our software. Some of our core software is, is homegrown such as our hmis system. So that's something that you're going to have to continue to maintain Beacon is homegrown. We'll continue to maintain. We'll continue to expand. So look, it's early, um, in the process for us to get it. Perfect. We definitely think there's, you know, a 30 million dollar uh, uh, benefit to us from a cash tax perspective, uh, this year and, um, but I don't think this is a 1-time thing. I think there's going to be some type of benefits, similar to what? I just described to you, it's going forward as well from a cash tax perspective.

A.J. Rice: Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Okay, great. Thanks so much.

Operator: Our next question comes from Parker Snar with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Our next question comes from Parker, snare. With Raymond James, please go ahead.

Parker Snure: Hey, good morning, and thanks for the question. just any comments on seasonality of funeral volumes in the back half of the year? It looks like the third quarter is a little bit of a tougher comp versus the last year. So just anything you would know in terms of your expectations for funeral volumes in third quarter versus fourth quarter?

Thomas Ryan: Hey, good morning, and thanks for the question. just any comments on seasonality of funeral volumes in the back half of the year? It looks like the third quarter is a little bit of a tougher comp versus the last year. So just anything you would know in terms of your expectations for funeral volumes in third quarter versus fourth quarter?

Hey, good morning, and thanks for the question. Um, just any comments on seasonality of funeral volumes in the back half of the year. It looks like the third quarter is a little bit of a tougher comp versus the last year. So just anything, you would know in terms of your expectations for funeral volumes and third quarter, versus fourth quarter.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, Parker, I think you hit the nail on the head. As we think about, you know, we use, you know, seasonality trends over multi-years. You would think that the third quarter from a volume perspective is a tough comp. The good news is pre-need cemetery is probably an easier comp. And so I think as we think about the third quarter, we'd expect cemetery revenues to be really strong. Funeral would be a tougher comparison. and then as you get into the fourth quarter, I think it moderates a bit and you you have a little more of a normal seasonality. So, good observation.

A.J. Rice: Yeah, Parker, I think you hit the nail on the head. As we think about, you know, we use, you know, seasonality trends over multi-years. You would think that the third quarter from a volume perspective is a tough comp. The good news is pre-need cemetery is probably an easier comp. And so I think as we think about the third quarter, we'd expect cemetery revenues to be really strong. Funeral would be a tougher comparison. and then as you get into the fourth quarter, I think it moderates a bit and you you have a little more of a normal seasonality. So, good observation.

Yeah, Parker. I think you you hit the nail on the head. Um, as we think about, you know, we use, you know, seasonality Trends over multi-years.

You would think that the third quarter from a volume perspective is a tough comp. The good news is pretty much cemeteries, probably an easier comp. And so I think as we think about the third quarter we'd expect Cemetery revenues to be really strong. Funeral will be a tougher comparison. Um and then as you get into the fourth quarter, I think it moderates a bit and you you have a little more of a normal seasonality. So a good observation,

Parker Snure: Okay. And then I know just on payment terms in pre-need cemetery, I know there was a mention of installment receipts and the prepared remarks in terms of working capital. Has there been any changes in the customer financing or payment terms in pre-need cemetery, whether that be a percentage of money down at the at the beginning or a length of payment terms?

Thomas Ryan: Okay. And then I know just on payment terms in pre-need cemetery, I know there was a mention of installment receipts and the prepared remarks in terms of working capital. Has there been any changes in the customer financing or payment terms in pre-need cemetery, whether that be a percentage of money down at the at the beginning or a length of payment terms?

On payment terms and pre-need cemetery: I know there was a mention of installment receipts and the prepared remarks in terms of working capital. Have there been any changes in the customer financing or payment terms and pre-need cemetery? Whether that be...

Percentage of money down at the at the beginning or length of payment terms.

Thomas Ryan: No, we haven't done anything materially in that area where we're lengthening installment terms or changing down payments or anything along those those lines. You know, typically, you'll see us, w to recognize the revenue of undeveloped property, you have to get the 10% down. you typically have seen a pattern over the years where in the first half of the year, we have some incentives where maybe we're not getting 10% down, but knowing that the customer will pay into that by the full fiscal year, and that will get recognized in the back half of the year. That concept plays into the previous question on the call in terms of a lower recognition rate in the lower 90s and a higher recognition rate in the higher 90s in the second half of the year. But we're not materially changing.

Eric Tanzberger: No, we haven't done anything materially in that area where we're lengthening installment terms or changing down payments or anything along those those lines. You know, typically, you'll see us, w to recognize the revenue of undeveloped property, you have to get the 10% down. you typically have seen a pattern over the years where in the first half of the year, we have some incentives where maybe we're not getting 10% down, but knowing that the customer will pay into that by the full fiscal year, and that will get recognized in the back half of the year. That concept plays into the previous question on the call in terms of a lower recognition rate in the lower 90s and a higher recognition rate in the higher 90s in the second half of the year. But we're not materially changing.

Thomas Ryan: The truth to it is the installment payments are are solid. They're strong. They're probably a little bit above our expectations. Frankly, the consumer continues to hang in there in the in the cemetery segment. We continue to have a large jump in production that we all know about during the COVID years. And we probably underestimated, you know, how much of those installments were really going to kind of hang in there versus historical levels. And I think it's just done a little bit better, and the consumer's a little bit better than probably what we ultimately modeled, which is $20 million of the $50 million raise in our midpoint of cash flow that we're, you know, very excited about.

Eric Tanzberger: The truth to it is the installment payments are are solid. They're strong. They're probably a little bit above our expectations. Frankly, the consumer continues to hang in there in the in the cemetery segment. We continue to have a large jump in production that we all know about during the COVID years. And we probably underestimated, you know, how much of those installments were really going to kind of hang in there versus historical levels. And I think it's just done a little bit better, and the consumer's a little bit better than probably what we ultimately modeled, which is $20 million of the $50 million raise in our midpoint of cash flow that we're, you know, very excited about.

No, we haven't done anything materially in that area where we're lengthening installment, terms, or changing down payments or anything along those. Those lines. You know, typically, you'll see us. We to recognize the revenue of undeveloped property. You have to get to 10% down. Uh, you typically have seen a pattern over the years, where, in the first half of the year, uh, we have some incentives where maybe we're not getting 10% down, but knowing that the customer will pay into that by the full fiscal year and that will get recognized in the back half of the year that concept plays into the previous question on the call in terms of a lower recognition rate in the lower 90s and a higher recognition rate and the higher 90s and the second half of the year. But we're not materially changing the truth to it is the installment payments are are solid, they're strong, they're probably a little bit above our expectations, frankly, the consumer continues to hang in there.

And, uh, in the cemetery segment, we continue to have a large jump in production that we all know about during the COVID years, and we probably underestimated, you know, how much of those installments were really going to kind of hang in there versus historical levels. I think it's just done a little bit better, and the consumer is a little bit better than probably what we ultimately modeled, which is $20 million of the $50 million rate in our midpoint of cash flow that we're, you know, very excited about.

Parker Snure: Okay, great. Thank you, sir.

Thomas Ryan: Okay, great. Thank you, sir.

Thomas Ryan: Thank you, Parker.

Eric Tanzberger: Thank you, Parker.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from Toby Sommer with Truist. Please go ahead.

Our next question comes from, Toby Somer with truist, please go ahead.

Scott Schneeberger: I wanted to ask a question about the financial benefit of the the shift in, life insurance partner. What sort of incremental benefit may you still get on an ongoing basis now that we've lapped the initial year? I'm not sure whether everybody was fully on board and and fully, sort of, equipped to sell at scale. So there might be some ongoing benefits. I'd love to get your thought there.

Tobey Sommer: I wanted to ask a question about the financial benefit of the the shift in, life insurance partner. What sort of incremental benefit may you still get on an ongoing basis now that we've lapped the initial year? I'm not sure whether everybody was fully on board and and fully, sort of, equipped to sell at scale. So there might be some ongoing benefits. I'd love to get your thought there.

I wanted to ask a question about the financial benefits of the, the shift in, uh, life insurance partner. What sort of incremental benefits may you still get on an ongoing basis now that we've lapped the initial year? Um, I'm not sure whether everybody was fully on board and and fully sort of uh, equipped to sell at scale. So there might be some ongoing benefits. So I'd love to get your thought there.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, I think the incremental benefit is going to be in the type of insurance product that we sell, Toby. So, you know, the you get more benefit from a multi-pay versus a single-pay. how much of your, you know, pre-need sales streams going into pure insurance? If you're selling at levels in the mid-60s, low 70s, that's going to make a difference. So I think, again, as you you mentioned, as people become more, equipped to present the benefits of insurance, that that's something that we can, you know, focus on. But I also think, you know, having gone through this now, we feel like production is something that we can raise across the board. And that could be in the insurance product. It could be in the trust product.

Thomas Ryan: But we feel really good about our momentum going forward and growing, whether it's an insurance product or a trust. But, within the insurance bucket itself, it's the type of insurance product. And like you said, we've got counselors that are better at giving that presentation. We'd expect an ability to grow that bucket.

Yeah, I think the incremental benefits going to be in the type of insurance product that we sell. So, you know, the you get more benefit from a multi-payer, how much of your, you know, pre-need sales streams going into Pure Insurance. If you're selling it levels in the mid-60s, low 70s, that's going to make a difference. So, I think again, as you, you mentioned as people become more, uh, equipped to present the benefits of insurance, that that's something that we can, um, you know, focus on, but I also think, you know, having gone through this. Now, we feel like production is something that we can raise across the board and that could be in the insurance product. It could be in the trust product but we feel really good about our momentum going forward and growing whether it's an insurance product or a trust. But uh, within the insurance bucket itself is the type of insurance product and

Like you said, we've got counselors that are better at giving that presentation we'd expect an ability to grow that bucket.

Scott Schneeberger: Quantifying that is, you know, if we're getting, if we got 7% year over year, you know, kind of in the, in the reported quarter, is it is it something that's going to be appreciable? You know, do you think it's a single point, a couple of points? How would you think about it numerically?

Tobey Sommer: Quantifying that is, you know, if we're getting, if we got 7% year over year, you know, kind of in the, in the reported quarter, is it is it something that's going to be appreciable? You know, do you think it's a single point, a couple of points? How would you think about it numerically?

If want to find that is, you know, if we're getting if we got 7% year-over-year,

you know, kind of in the uh, in the reported quarter, is it

Is it something that's going to be appreciable? You know, do you think it's a single point, a couple of points? How would you think about it numerically?

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, maybe a couple of points. I mean, because again, because you're lapping yourself, and so you effectively have the similar rates that you had before. So now it just gets back to what is your production within that bucket. And, you know, the points that you're making are, you know, we've got a counselor that now is up and ready and it's on insurance and knows how to do it, understands the benefits. So kind of just the normal, you know, perfecting the presentations. And, and so, yeah, that that type of increase is not something we'd anticipate going forward.

Yeah. Maybe a couple of points, I mean, because again because you're laughing yourself and so you effectively have the similar rates that you had before. So now it just gets back to what is your production within that bucket and you know the points that you're making are you know we've got a counselor that now is up and ready and so on insurance and knows how to do it understands the benefits. So kind of just the normal, you know, perfecting the presentations. And and so yeah that that type of increase is not something we'd anticipate going forward.

Scott Schneeberger: Gotcha. my, last question. From a, from a pricing standpoint for pre-need, have you changed the percent down payment required at all?

Tobey Sommer: Gotcha. my, last question from a, from a pricing standpoint for pre-need, have you changed the percent down payment required at all?

Got you? Um, my, uh, last question from a um,

from a

Have you changed the percent down payment required?

Thomas Ryan: No.

At all.

Yeah.

Scott Schneeberger: Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Barry. I'll get back in the queue.

Tobey Sommer: Okay. Perfect. Thank you, very clear. I'll get back in the queue.

Okay, perfect. Thank you very clear.

I'll get back in the queue.

Operator: Our next question comes from Joanna Gaijic with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Joanna Gajuk: Hey, good morning. Thanks so much. So first, just a follow-up or clarification. Did I hear it right? You said pre-need sales production expect to grow low to mid-single digits in both funeral and and cemetery. so is that, for the full year? And did I hear right? Does it mean that you expect, you know, faster growth? Because I guess the cemetery pre-need sales production was expected to be up, you know, low single digits for the year. Or was it a comment from the second half?

Our next question comes from Joanna Gauge with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, thanks so much. So first, um, just follow up clarification. Did I hear invite you to print it? Um, sales production, expect to grow low to Mexico digits in both funeral and, and Seminary. Um, so is that all for the full year and did I hear, right? That doesn't mean that you expect, uh, you know, faster growth, because I guess the 73 sales production was expected to be up, you know, low single digits for the year.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, my comments were specifically to the second half of the year that we think low to mid-single digits percent just for both pre-need funeral and pre-need cemetery. And, and again, on the annualized guidance, you know, I don't have that in front of me, but, but, obviously, pre-need funeral has been a challenge the first half. We expect that to turn around in the second half and carry that momentum into 2026. We've kind of gotten through all the impacts from change. In cemetery, we, you know, Joanna, we feel really good about. We saw some great momentum, as I spoke to, in the second quarter, both in large sales and in core sales. And, we expect that momentum to continue in the back half of the year. So feeling good about particularly, where we are in the cemetery sales cycle.

Or was it a common for the second half?

Yeah, my comments were specifically about the second half of the year, where we expect low to mid-single-digit percentages for both printing funeral and printing cemetery.

And uh, and again on the annualized guidance, you know, I don't have that in front of me, but but, uh, obviously for any funerals, been a challenge, the first half, we expect that to turn around in the second half and carry that momentum into 2026. We've kind of gotten through the all the impacts from change and Cemetery we, you know, Joanna, we feel really good about. We saw some great momentum as I spoke to in the second quarter, both in large sales and in core sales and uh, we expect that momentum.

Joanna Gajuk: So on the cemetery sale for the year, I guess it's going to be low single digits growth, maybe a little bit higher.

Them to continue in the back half of the year. So feeling good about particularly uh, where we are on the cemetery sales cycle.

Thomas Ryan: I think it could be low to mid. We can climb back into the mid too. I think we feel good about, obviously, we need a mid or a high single-digit back half to achieve that, but, because the first quarter was a bit of a challenge. But the momentum in the second quarter, we feel pretty good. We can get back to low, but, but also mid for the year. again, depending on our success as it relates to large sales and core.

Thomas Ryan: I think it could be low to mid. We can climb back into the mid too. I think we feel good about, obviously, we need a mid or a high single digit back half to achieve that, but, because the first quarter was a bit of a challenge. But the momentum in the second quarter, we feel pretty good. We can get back to low, but, but also mid for the year. again, depending on our success as it relates to large sales and core.

So once the semen there is still for the year, I guess it's going to be low single digit score. Maybe a little bit higher. I think it could be low, it could be low to mid.

We can climb back in.

Mid or to high single digit back after achieve that. But um because the first quarter was a bit of a challenge but the momentum of the second quarter we feel pretty good. We can get back to low but but also mid for the year. Um, again depending on our success as it relates to large sales and core

Joanna Gajuk: Right. And that was my other question in terms of, yeah, the specifics, because you did say, you saw a healthy increase in large sales and modest growth in core. So I guess in Q1, the problem was, yeah, the the large sales, were down to more like a 30 million or so in the quarter. So what was the number in a second quarter for large sales?

Thomas Ryan: Like 52 million. So we had a great second quarter as it relates to large sales. And I think, again, you know, that compares back to last year's quarter. I want to say 38, if I remember incorrect. So, so pretty, pretty healthy increase. And again, you know, you can't get too excited and too depressed either way because these sales come in a little bit lumpy. So, you know, we had really good, sales in the second quarter. I'd say July is off to a really nice start. but, you know, we still got August and September. So we feel we feel confident that momentum's good. Cemetery sales should be, impressive in the third quarter and and carry into the fourth quarter.

Right? And that was my other question in terms of here, the specifics because you did say, um, you saw a healthy increase in large cells and modified in core. So I guess in q1, the problem was. Yeah. The the larger uh were down to more like a 30 million or so in the quarter. So what was the number in a second quarter for large cells?

Like 52 million. So we had a great second quarter related to large sales and I think again, you know, that compares back to last year's quarter, I want to say 38, um, if I remember incorrect. So, so pretty pretty healthy increase. And again, you know, you can't get too excited and too depressed, either way because these sales come in a little bit lumpy. So, um, you know, we had really good, um, sales in the second

Quarter. I'd say July's off to a really nice start. Um, but you know, we still got August and September, so we feel confident that momentum is good. Cemetery sales should be impressive in the third quarter and carry into the fourth quarter.

Joanna Gajuk: Yes, thank you for that. And I guess if I might, a little bit different topic, so thanks for the July, commentary. That was, good to hear that too. But on the different topic around your cash flows, right, increasing, it sounds like, the the 30 million benefit on the lower, cash taxes might be a sustainable number. So if that's the case, how should you think about capital deployment? Does that change your appetite by, you know, doing more deals or maybe some other capital deployment opportunities that you would, kind of be more aggressive on given the higher cash flow? Thank you.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, I think it's more of the same of the formula, Joanna, that you've seen us done. I mean, we're going to we're going to invest capital to the highest, you know, return. Certainly, we've done a lot in shares, the first half of the year. I think you'll see some momentum there that will continue, at least the shares at at this level. but, you know, the M&A program is going strong. I know someone commented that we spent $30 million, you know, a year to date, and the guidance is 75 to 125 in terms of investment. I think we'll get there. I feel really good about the pipeline. some of the deals, I mean, if we just get through our LOIs alone right now, we'd be into that guidance, frankly, and there's a lot more that we're out there discussing.

Uh, yes, thank you for that and I guess you find my, uh, a little bit different topic. Uh, so thanks for the July, um, um, commentary. That was, um, good to hear that too. But on the different topic around your cash flows, right? Uh, increasing it sounds like, uh the the 30 million benefit on on the lower uh, cash stocks. That might be sustainable number. So if that's the case, how should you think about Capital deployment? That that change your appetite say you know doing more deals or maybe some other Capital deployment opportunities that you would um kind of be more aggressive on given the higher cash flow. Thank you.

Yeah, I think it's

The same with the formula, Joanna, that you...

You know, return, um, certainly we've done a lot in shares, uh, the first half of the year, um, I think you'll see some momentum there, that will continue at least the shares at, at this level. Uh, but you know, the m&a program is going strong. Uh, I know someone commented that we've spent 30 million dollars, you know, uh, year to date. And the guidance is 75 to 125.

Thomas Ryan: So I think we'll get into that 75. I think that's a good guidance number for investment for M&A. Would we do more? Absolutely. the other thing that you have to remember, though, is are the are the greenfield investments that we're making, the new funeral homes and sometimes new cemeteries. This is a nice, robust program, which we've told you this year alone, we're going to spend probably about $70 million on that. could that go up? It's possible, but, you know, it takes time. That's a three-year cycle. at any point in time, we have 30 to 35 projects that are in the pipeline. About a third of those turn, you know, every year. and that's at a that's at a a more, better velocity than what we've had in the past. But we're excited about that.

The other thing that you have to remember, though is are the are the Green Field Investments that we're making the new funeral homes, and sometimes new cemeteries. This is a nice robust program, which we've told you this year alone, we're going to spend probably about 70 million dollars on that. Um, could that go up? It's possible but you know, it takes time that's a 3 year cycle. Um at any point in time, we have 30 to 35 projects that are in the pipeline about a third of those terms, you know, every year. Um and that's at a that's at a a more um

Thomas Ryan: M&A has its benefits, because you get EBITDA and cash flow right away, but so do these construction projects have these benefits where you can build exactly where you want and exactly what you want, especially having a modern celebration of life venue when we design these brand new funeral homes. So there's a lot of opportunities out there, but they're not different than what we have talked about in the past. And we'll continue to invest, you know, as we can in both of those programs as well as the shared purchase program.

Better velocity than what we've had in the past, but we're excited about that. M&a has its benefits, uh, because you get IBA and cash flow right away. But so do these construction projects, have these benefits where you can build exactly where you want and exactly what you want, especially having a modern celebration of life venue when we design these brand new funeral homes. So there's a lot of opportunities out there, but they're not different than what we have talked about in the past. And we'll continue to invest

You know, the AS WE CAN and both of those programs, as well as the Cherry purchase program.

Joanna Gajuk: Great. I appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Great. Appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Operator: Our next question comes from Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Our next question comes from Scott Schneberger with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Scott Schneeberger: Thanks very much. I have, I think it's a grand total of three. Cemetery pre-need, we just heard that you're doing quite well in large sale. Could you speak more on the core? Are you, you know, that sounded like that was strong as well, certainly relative to expectations. Are you selling up in the high tier? I believe the cutoff to get the large is 80,000. Are you like up in the 50, 60, 70, or is it broad-based across that? And then part two of that question is, is this, is what you're seeing overall, velocity or volume trends speeding up, or is it more from pricing, what you're getting in that in that pre-need cemetery? Thanks.

Tobey Sommer: Thanks very much. I have, I think it's a grand total of three. Cemetery pre-need, we just heard that you're doing quite well in large sales. Could you speak more on the core? Are you, you know, that sounded like that was strong as well, certainly relative to expectations. Are you selling up in the high tier? I believe the cutoff to get the large is 80,000. Are you like up in the 50, 60, 70, or is it broad-based across that? And then part two of that question is, is this, is what you're seeing overall, velocity or volume trends speeding up, or is it more from pricing, what you're getting in that in that pre-need cemetery? Thanks.

Uh, thanks very much. Um, I have I think it's a grand total of, uh, 3, um, Cemetery pre-need. Uh, we just heard that doing quite well in, in large sales, could you speak more on the core? Are you? You know, that sounded like that was strong as well. I was certainly relative to expectations. Are you selling up in the high tier? I believe the cutoff to get the large is 80,000, are you like up in the 50s 60s, 70s? Or is it broad-based across that? And then uh, part 2 of the of that question is, um, is this is what you're seeing overall, um, velocity or volume Trend speeding up, or is it more from pricing, what you're getting in that in that pre-made Cemetery, thanks.

Thomas Ryan: So on the core, you know, it just wasn't as big of a percentage increase. Obviously, it's the it's the biggest chunk of our cemetery production. So it was a nice increase, but percentage-wise, large sales was much bigger. it's really across the board. We're not seeing it at any specific point. And again, back to your velocity versus pricing, both of those were positive within the core for the quarter. So, you know, all signs looking good. You know, it's hard to find anything we don't like right now, at least in the second quarter of production. so, so, so all is good. And, and really across the board, no specific price points, Scott, that, I'd I'd point out to you other than the over 80 that you already mentioned.

On the core. You know, it just wasn't as big of a percentage increase. Obviously it's the it's the biggest chunk of our Cemetery production so it was a nice increase, but percentage-wise large sales was much bigger.

Scott Schneeberger: All right. Thanks. Sounds good. Moving on to the next section. funeral revenue per service. That was a bit higher than we expected. Sounds like the the lower cremation rate is contributing. I'm just, curious, how sustainable is this plus 3% going forward, and what's what's going what are what will be the drivers behind that?

Tobey Sommer: All right. Thanks. Sounds good. Moving on to the next section. funeral revenue per service. That was a bit higher than we expected. Sounds like the the lower cremation rate is contributing. I'm just, curious, how sustainable is this plus 3% going forward, and what's what's going what are what will be the drivers behind that?

Um, it's really a cross the board. We're not seeing it in any specific point and again back to your velocity versus pricing both of those were positive within the core for the quarter. So um, you know, all signs looking good, you know, it's hard to find anything we don't like right now at least in the second quarter production. Um, so so so all of the good and, and really across the board, no specific price points. It's got that uh, I I'd point out to you other than the over 80 that you already mentioned.

Thomas Ryan: I mean, 3.3 might be a little higher than you'd anticipate going forward, but, but yeah, I think we're pretty comfortable in that two and a half to three range, depending on the cremation rate change. You know, we're really focused on discounts. I think we've done a good job of of managing those things. And the other piece that wasn't as impactful for the quarter is keep in mind, you know, the what's coming out of the pre-need backlog. You know, the pre-need backlog, has the component of what did you write the corpus at when you wrote the pre-need, which we've done a really great job. And then you get the compounded interest if it's a trust product. So, so those types of things can have an impact on the average as well.

All right, thanks sounds good. Moving on to the next section. Um, funeral Revenue per service. That was a bit higher than we expected sounds. Like the, the lower cremation rate is contributing. I'm just, uh, Curious, how sustainable is this plus 3%? Going forward. And what's what's what are what will be the drivers behind that?

I mean 3.3 might be a little higher than you'd anticipate going forward but but yeah I think we're pretty comfortable in that 2 and a half to 3 range depending on the cremation rate change. You know we're really focused on discounts and I think we've done a good job of of managing those things and the other piece that wasn't as impactful for the quarter is keep in mind you know the what's coming out of the pretty backlog, you know, the pre-need backlog um has the component of what did you write the Corpus? At when you wrote the pre, which we've done a really great job and then you get the compounded interest if it's a trust product. So so those type of

Thomas Ryan: But I think as we think forward, Scott, I think, we feel pretty good about being able to come close to that 3%, if if cremation mix changes that we're seeing in most recent years hold.

Things can have an impact on the average as well, but I think, as we think forward, Scott, we feel pretty good about being able to come close to that 3%. If the cremation mix changes that we're seeing in most recent years holds.

Scott Schneeberger: Great. Thanks, Tom. Eric, I'll pull you in from our last, don't want you on too long on the break here. The, G&A, how should we think about that in the back half versus the first half? and maybe a little granularity onto what kind of changes, and how we should model that. Thanks.

Tobey Sommer: Great. Thanks, Tom. All right, Eric, I'll pull you in from our last, don't want you on too long on the break here. The, G&A, how should we think about that in the back half versus the first half? and maybe a little granularity onto what kind of changes, and how we should model that. Thanks.

Thomas Ryan: Yeah, I mean, I I think you're safe modeling it around that $40, $42 million type guidance that we've given you before. Maybe it's a little bit higher than than what we've said before. but ultimately, you know, when you talked about general liability and auto claims, you know, those are going to be event-specific, and they're going to ebb and flow. And we had a heavy amount of them during the quarter as we as we.Talked

Great. Thanks. Tom. Eric. I'm pulling you in for my last uh don't want you on too long to break here the uh GNA. How should we think about that in the back half versus the first half? Um maybe a little granularity on to what kind of changes uh and how we should model that. Thanks,

Yeah. I mean, I

Modeling.

Speaker 1: about. And then the last thing that I would tell you is, and we say this in my remarks, we say it, you know, and I've said this before, is, you know, the longer-term incentive comp equals are gonna move it. So yes, 40 to 41, 40 to 42 is a good baseline for it. Could it be 44 if the comp equals need to go up? Yes. Could it be 38 if the comp equals need to go down? Yes. So you gotta remember that variability, that's gonna be a few million dollars as well. But generally, that's how, you know, I would, I would characterize modeling it for the second half.

Operator: about. And then the last thing that I would tell you is, and we say this in my remarks, we say it, you know, and I've said this before, is, you know, the longer-term incentive comp equals are gonna move it. So yes, 40 to 41, 40 to 42 is a good baseline for it. Could it be 44 if the comp equals need to go up? Yes. Could it be 38 if the comp equals need to go down? Yes. So you gotta remember that variability, that's gonna be a few million dollars as well. But generally, that's how, you know, I would, I would characterize modeling it for the second half.

The amount of them during the quarter, as we as we talked about and then the last thing that I would tell you is and we say this in my remarks we say if you know and I've said this before is you know the longer term incentive comp a rules are going to move it. So yes, 40 to 41 40 to 42 is a good Baseline for it. Could it be 44 if the coma Crews need to go up? Yes. Could it be 38 if Papa Crews need to go down? Yes. So you got to remember that variability that's going to be a few million dollars as well. But generally, that's how you know. I I would I would characterize modeling it for the second half.

Operator: Great. Thanks, guys. Next quarter.

Great. Thanks guys. Next quarter.

Operator: We have a follow-up question from Parker's scenario with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Trey Bocage: Hey, thanks again. Yeah, just one more question. just on the long-term growth algorithm of 8 to 12 percent. I know this year had a pretty strong benefit from the insurance transition. I mean, and now that CREE needs cemetery, you know, production is kind of comping at a higher rate. It's remained elevated post-COVID. any thoughts that, you know, there's any change into the composition of your long-term growth algorithm or just, you know, now that CREE cemetery is kind of at an elevated rate, does that make it a little bit harder to grow on an organic basis? Just kind of any, you know, general thoughts on your long-term growth algorithm as we exit the year?

We have a follow-up question from Parker snare with Raymond James, please go ahead.

Hey thanks again. Yeah, just 1, more question. Um, just on the long term growth algorithm of 8 to 12%. Um, I know this year had a pretty strong benefit from the insurance transition. I mean, and now that pre needs Cemetery, you know, production is kind of comping out a higher rate. It's remained elevated postco. Um,

Any thoughts that you know there there's any change into the composition of your long-term growth algorithm or or just you know now that we need cemetery is kind of at an elevated rate. Does that make it a little bit harder to grow on an organic basis? Just kind of any you know General thoughts on your long-term growth algorithm as we exit the year.

Operator: So far, I think we still feel very comfortable with that algorithm. you know, there's some things that are, that you point out that are, you know, tougher comps as you go forward, but I'd also think there's things that are going in our direction. Again, I'd point you back to SCI Direct. We have taken that business from, you know, a certain level of profitability down to, you know, essential break-even, and it's all related to the way that we operate the business and the way the accounting works. And as you, as you play that out, that should be kind of a natural growth business as more and more of that comes out of the backlog. It's gonna be higher averages. So we've just got some, I think, positive trends in the business. We talked about the sales average being stronger on the funeral side.

Parker. I think we still feel very comfortable with that algorithm. Um, you know, there's some things that are that you point out that are, you know, tougher comps as you go forward. But I also think there's things that are going on our direction. Again, I point you back to SCI direct. We have taken that business from, you know, a certain level of profitability down to, you know, essential break even and

Operator: I still think demographics are gonna play into both the funeral and the cemetery side. So we're very optimistic about the 8 to 12, and I think there's some years coming up where, you know, we can go above that. So, overall, we feel very good about, the guidance we're giving you and continue to feel that way.

it's all related to the way that we operate the business and the way the accounting works and as you as you play that out, that should be kind of a natural growth business as more and more of that comes out of the backlog. It's going to be higher averages. So we've just got some, I think positive Trends in the business, we talked about the sales, average being stronger on the funeral side. I still think demographics are going to play into both the funeral and the cemetery side. So we're very optimistic about the age of 12 and, and I think there's some years coming up where, you know, we can go above that. So, um,

Overall, we feel very good about uh the guidance we're giving you.

And continue to fill that way.

Trey Bocage: Okay. And then, sorry, I know I said one last one, but actually one more. you know, the LA Flyers and Rose Hill are, you know, are you sensing that, there's any kind of continuing or lingering just disruption in that market, or are, you know, are all your KPIs that you track that, you know, that property is kind of tracking along as it should?

Okay, and then sorry. I know I said one last one, but actually one more.

You know, the LA fires in Rose Hill are, you know, are you sensing that? Um, there's any kind of continuing or lingering just disruption in that market or, you know, are all your kpis that you track that, you know, that property is kind of tracking along as it should.

Operator: I think overall the, the, you know, obviously, there's so much, you know, the people are still dealing with so many things, and so you never want to belittle that. That's gonna continue to happen for years and years. But I think as it relates to our, our business and our ability to sell, we're not seeing anything that's impacting that business related to that event. You know, unfortunately, people are still suffering. People are still trying to build their lives back, but it's not noticeable, I'd say, in, in, you know, the sales process today.

I think overall the, the, you know, obviously there's so much, um,

You know.

The people are still dealing with so many things and so you never want to belittle that that's going to continue to happen for years and years, but I think as it relates to our um, our business and our ability to sell, we're not seeing anything that's impacting that business related to that event. You know, unfortunately, people are still suffering. People are still trying to build their lives back but it's not noticeable. I'd say and and uh,

You know, the sales process today.

Trey Bocage: Okay. Great. Thank you.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to SCI Management for any closing remarks.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to SCI management for any closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you, everybody. I appreciate you being here, and we'll talk to you next quarter. Have a great week.

Thank you everybody. I appreciate you being here and we'll talk to you next quarter. Have a great week.

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