Q2 2025 TMX Group Ltd Earnings Call

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the TMX Group Limited second quarter 2025 results conference call.

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Thank you, Jason and good morning everyone. Thanks for joining us today to discuss this 2025 second quarter results for TMX group. We announced our results for an outstanding quarter highlighted by another record Revenue performance.

Copies of our press release and MD&A are available on TMX.com under Investor Relations.

This morning, we have with us John McKenzie, our Chief Executive Officer, and David Arnold, our Chief Financial Officer.

Following the opening remarks, we'll have a question and answer session.

Before we begin, let's cover our forward-looking legal disclosure certain statements made. During this call May relate to future events and expectations and constitute forward-looking information within the meaning of the Canadian Securities Law.

Actual results may differ materially from these expectations, and additional information is contained in our press release and periodic reports that we have filed with the regulatory authorities. Now, I will turn the call over to John.

Our call today, particularly, for joining us on what is a long weekend Friday here in Ontario and uh, what is shaping up to be a very beautiful day and a beautiful weekend. So we hope uh for the best of the long weekend to you and yours.

Now, as a mean, mentioned last night, we announced results for the second quarter and the first half of the year. And again, these were truly outstanding results with strong year-over-year growth in revenue and adjusted earnings per share and David's going to take you through those record Q2 details in a moment. Uh, just after I talked to some of the over finer points on execution

What we are immensely proud of the team's performance and accomplishment. Our focus is always really continues to be on the future uh to be better equipped than ever before and to build on our successes.

So, my comments this morning will touch on some of the key highlights from across the first half of 2025 and the important strategic steps that we continue to take across the Enterprise to address the now and the next needs of our clients and accelerate our growth going forward.

Now in studying this in our macroeconomic environment remains at near-term reality, due to the ongoing global trade conflicts and navigating uncertainty continues to be a constant and scrolling headline as it, surely will be today.

Um but navigation is a critical function of a vibrant, Capital markets ecosystem. Capital markets are a vital and fundamental component of the Global Financial ecosystem. They are platforms for companies and venues for investors to pursue Capital deployment and growth strategies, capitalize on emerging opportunities and mitigate risk.

And thus far into 2025 our Market stand tall.

And as we live our corporate purpose to make markets better and Empower bold ideals,

And over time, we've evolved beyond the traditional role of a market operator, into an active agent and an enabler of success.

And we're committed to continuing to raise the level of our game to better serve, the needs of our growing client base to be the TMX that they need us to be Innovative and adaptive responsive and resilient.

And you do see that in our results.

So, looking at the first half of this year,

Overall revenue increased 18% when compared to the first six months of 2024.

This Revenue growth reflected increases from across the Enterprise, highlighted by a derivatives and Equity trading and clearing driven by higher activity, as investors reacted to trade War headlines, as well as double digit growth in the global, insights Revenue.

Now a consistent theme through the first half of the year is strength in diversity, with strong performance from established business areas, as well as areas of expansion and new geographies across both transactions and subscription-based revenue streams, and a wide spectrum of client offerings.

Organic Revenue, including TMX, vyfi acquisition, sorry. Excluding TMX vidify Acquisitions, such as index research Bond, indices, and ETF stream.

Um, and net revenue increased 16%, and adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 23% from the first half of 2024.

And overall, operating expenses for the first six months increased year-over-year as well. This is largely due to the inclusion of expenses related to those recent acquisitions and strategic realignment costs. David will take you through that expense piece in more detail in a few minutes.

So I’d like to move on to some of the business area highlights.

Trading activity on core domestic markets remained strong throughout the first six months.

Revenue from derivatives trading clearing, excluding blocks, increased 35% year-over-year, driven by a 28% increase in MX volumes.

Strong volumes feature growth across equity and interest rate derivatives, ETF options, and Government of Canada bond futures.

And last month, we announced a new Canada Bank credit index future product. This is the very first of its kind in Canada and it's set for launch early next year.

Pace by rapid technology and a lot of electronic credit markets continue to rapidly evolve, creating demand for these types of credit futures products.

It's based on that footsy, Canada Bank credit spread index. The BCS contract will augment our current Suite of yield curve, Futures enabling firms to better manage their credit exposure through a listed product.

Revenue from equities and fixed income trading and clearing increased 12% in the first 6 months of 2024, driven by higher yields on premium products and higher volumes due to volatility and tariff uncertainty.

And on a combined basis, TSX, TSX Venture, and Alpha volumes increased 16% year-over-year.

To generate excitement as well.

Since its launch in January, the industry response to our U.S. equity trading venue has been tremendous, with month-over-month increases in activity in market share and new participant sign-ups all continuing to exceed our expectations.

from q1 to Q2, average daily volume, grew more than 300% and market, share has tripled

TMX is long-term strategy.

First, half Revenue, increased 15% when compared to 2024 led by double-digit increases from TMX Tradeport and TMX vafaei.

TMX, Tradeport Revenue grew 23% year-over-year or 15% in pound sterling primarily due to an increase in licenses.

Trade port performance in the first six months of the year, and really since our acquisition in 2017, demonstrates the immense power of the core Juwel Network and the value of executing a consistent strategy to aggregate and innovate for clients.

Jewels' dynamic capabilities are tailored to serve the customized needs of a broad scope of client profiles across global energy markets and ecosystems. This includes over 370 trading firms and 10,000 licenses, with more than 28,000 total connections.

And as we move forward, the team is focused on opportunities to expand that Network into new assets and geographies and investing in core technology to support accelerated growth.

Revenue from TMX Vidify increased 19% compared to the first six months of last year, or 15% in US dollars.

Higher. Overall, revenue was driven by increased index revenue as a result of organic growth in assets under management and higher analytics revenue, as well as from recent acquisitions.

TMX verify reached a new record high of $65 billion in assets under management.

And in June, TMX took another important strategic step forward with the acquisition of ETF Stream, designed to build on our digital analytics capabilities in the UK and Europe.

So along with regional expansion plans, TMX verify continues to pursue opportunities, to expand into new asset classes. To meet the needs of modern investment portfolios, looking Beyond equities and fixed income into potential opportunities in derivatives crypto private equity and credit.

And now Capital formation.

first half Revenue increased 4% when compared to 2024, due to the inclusion of revenue from news file and from higher revenue from additional listing fees,

Our public market ecosystem remains strong throughout the first half of the year, despite the weight of the trade war and the tariff-driven uncertainty on capital raising conditions.

And while the global IPO slowdown has had a negative impact. IPOs do not tell the entire story in terms of representing activity levels or reading the temperature gauge of our Public Market ecosystem.

in 2025 as they have from time and again throughout Canada's history, the markets are proving resilient

in fact, overall corporate market capitalization on TSX and TSX Venture reached new all-time highs

And on a combined basis, TSX and TSX Venture added 35 new corporate listings in the first 6 months, including 24 mining companies.

Public companies continue to grow beyond initial transactions through financing and M&A, competing for capital and valuations in an increasing global market.

A great example of this is TSX. Lithic Kiera who announced a 5.15 billion acquisition in June, which included a 2 billion Equity offering.

And we measure up very well against our Global exchange peers through June 30th. Our markets ranked second in the world in the number of new listings. According to the wfe up from fifth last year and seventh in equity, Capital raised up from 9th in the first half of 2024,

And then just last week, residential real estate investment trusts began trading on the TSX. This marks the first large corporate IPO since Groupe Dynamite last year.

And on June 4th, Axle Copper completed an IPO on the TSX Venture. This is the first listing from our TSX Venture Passport Program, designed to create a more efficient pathway for entrepreneurs to go public by fast-tracking the listing of applicants who meet specific criteria.

In addition, Canada's ETF industry continues to flourish, reaching a new record high in assets under management for the quarter. We are at an unprecedented pace in terms of new ETFs choosing to list on our market.

In Q2, a record 71 ETFs were listed on the TSX, bringing the first-half total to 123, which is just shy of the all-time record—not for 6 months, but for the entire year of 2024.

so, in closing, I'd like to thank our employees around the world, for their, always on, commitment to our clients successes, and for bringing our purpose to the job every single day,

Making markets better and empowering. Bold ideas are not a corporate slogan; they are our unifying objective that pulls the teams from across the enterprise and around the world together.

Serving our markets with excellence is our shared responsibility, and it is a great source of pride. With that, I'll pass the call over to David. Thanks. David?

Thank you. John. Good morning, everyone.

In both reported and organic revenue in the second quarter.

We achieved record revenue of 421.7 million representing a robust, 15% increase year-over-year.

Growth was driven by strong performance across multiple business segments, including a 33% growth in derivatives trading and clearing revenue, a 26% increase in TMX, an 18% revenue increase in equity and fixed income trading, and continued strong momentum in TMX Verify, with a 17% revenue growth.

We reported a decrease of 28% in our diluted earnings per share as a result of a net foreign exchange accounting non-cash mark on our US dollar denominated into company loans related to our verify acquisition in 2024 which led to a led to increased net financing costs of 45.9 million in the second quarter of 2025.

Looking through that, our adjusted earnings per share grew 21% on the heels of a 17% increase in our income from operations compared with Q2 of last year.

I'm turning now to our businesses, beginning with the segments that saw the largest year-over-year increases.

Revenue in our derivatives trading and clearing business excluding box was up 29% from Q2 of 2024 including a 34% growth in Montreal exchange trading and a 21% growth in CDCC Revenue, primarily driven by continued strength in derivatives trading volumes which increase 17% from Q2 of last year.

We benefited from a higher rate for contractor's, quarter relating to the sunset of the Kora Market making program as well as the fact that the final incentives on the 5-year government of Canada, Bond Futures Market. Making program were paid back in Q2 of 2024

Our derivatives business has shown particular strength in the first six months of 2025, with open interest in June up 60% compared to the same period last year.

Revenue from box increased 38%. This quarter driven by stronger volumes, which was up 30% from Q2 of last year and higher rate for contract reflecting a favorable product mix.

Revenue from our Global Insight segment grew by 16% this quarter, reflecting double digit increases in both TMX trade ports, and TMX verify, and a 4% growth. In TMX data links, including collocation.

Revenue from Tradeport was up, 26% in Canadian dollars or 17% in pound sterling. This quarter primarily driven by 10% increase in total licenses, which represents the count of unique, chargeable, licenses of Court, TMX Tradeport products across our customer segments, including Traders, Brokers and exchanges.

The revenue increase in Q2 also affected our annual price adjustments. Incremental revenue from data analytics and other Trader products and favorable FX impact of 4.9 million compared to last year.

TMX Tradeport ended the quarter with annual recurring revenue of $272.7 million Canadian dollars, or £146.5 million Sterling, representing the average recurring revenue for the quarter on an annualized basis.

Revenue from TMX verified to have grown 17% in Canadian dollars and 17% in U.S. dollars. This quarter, this growth included $2.7 million of revenue from recent acquisitions, namely index, research bonding disease, and ETF Stream.

Revenue, excluding these acquisitions, increased 9% in the second quarter, reflecting organic growth in assets under management, higher analytics revenue, and increased revenue from digital distribution.

As John mentioned TMX verifies assets under management continued to show robust growth ending the second quarter at over 65 billion US dollars.

In our equities and fixed income trading and clearing segment, revenue was up 18% in the quarter, driven by growth in trading, while revenue in our clearing business was relatively flat from Q2 of last year.

The increase in equity and fixed income trading, fixed income trading, reflected 14%, higher volumes in our Equity marketplaces, including 17% on TSX 5%, on TSX Venture exchange and 19% on Alfred Exchange.

Our combined equities trading market share for TSX and TSXV listed issues was approximately 62% this quarter, unchanged from Q1 of 2025 and down marginally from Q2 of 2024.

Side Revenue increased versus Q2 a year ago, primarily reflecting increased activity in Government of Canada, bonds driven by increased volatility on the heels of various tariff announcements.

Turning to our Capital formation business Revenue remained relatively unchanged from Q2 of last year.

Additional listing fees grew 7% year-over-year due to higher average fees on both the TSX and TSXV, partially offset by a decrease in the number of transactions built on TSA for secondary financing activities.

Sustaining listing fees, additional lists, and initial listing fees also grew compared to last year due to increased activity on TSXV, higher revenue from ETFs, as well as pricing changes.

These increases in listing fees were partially or fully offset by a 6%. Decrease in revenue from TMX corporate Solutions, reflecting lower net interest income due to both lower yield and balances partially offset by 3.9 million, from the inclusion of TMX news, file Revenue.

Now, building on John's comments, the Canadian public markets have demonstrated notable strength and resilience. We are well positioned to build upon the momentum from our record market capitalization and the robust activity within the ETF industry.

Taking a closer look at our expenses, on a reported basis, operating costs in the second quarter increased by 13% in Q2.

The 13% increase in reported expenses included the following items.

First, we incurred $8.9 million of additional expenses related to new acquisitions, namely $4 million in operating expenses relating to the TMX new file, news, file index, research, and bond indices; $3.9 million ACR for deferred and contingent payments relating to the TMX news file and index research; and $1 million for higher amortization related to acquired intangibles.

Second, we incurred $7.4 million related to strategic realignment expenses in Q2 this year and are partially sending these in.

excluding these items, our operating expenses increased by approximately 6% on a comparable basis, largely due to 4 drivers,

First 2% or 4.9 million of higher costs related to Merit increases and performance incentive plan costs, mainly driven by share price appreciation.

Second, $3.3 million of additional expenses related to the launch of our post-trade system. Namely, $1.7 million of higher amortization and $1.6 million of higher costs during the transition period related to lower labor capitalization and hypercare, which is expected to conclude in Q3 of 2025.

Third, 1% is attributable to the FX impact of a stronger U.S. dollar and pound sterling versus Q2 of last year.

And fourth and finally a 1% increase in it. Operating costs reflecting higher licensing and subscription fees in the second quarter compared to last year.

What's most important to note, is, we delivered mid single digit positive operating. Leverage in the second quarter driven by a robust 13%, organic Revenue, growth outpacing. The 6% increase in comparable operating expenses.

Turning now to our sequential results, we maintained our strong momentum from Q1 into the second quarter of 2025.

Total revenue reached a new record of $421.7 million, with revenue up $2.6 million or 1% from Q1, reflecting revenue growth from capital formation on the heels of higher additional listing fees and the seasonality of TSX trust revenue related to AGMs in the second quarter.

This increase was partially offset by lower revenue from derivatives trading and clearing driven by lower trading volumes in Q2. Compared with the record volumes in q1 and unfavorable FX impact driven by the weaker US dollar relative to the Canadian dollar.

As well as lower seasonal revenue from a global Insight. Segment, driven by TMX verifies annual exchange conference that occurs once a year in q1, each year.

Now, turning to our sequential expense analysis.

Operating expenses in Q2 decreased by $8.1 million, or 3%, on a reported basis from Q1, reflecting $7.7 million of lower costs related to TMX's annual exchange conference, lower employee performance incentive plan costs, and lower payroll taxes.

.8 million in increased strategic, realignment expenses in the second quarter.

0.5 million of higher acquisition and related costs. And finally 0.4 million higher cruel for deferred and contingent payments related to index research.

Now, on the balance sheet front, a debt to adjusted IBA ratio at June 30th was 2.4 times, down approximately 1.2 turns compared to 18 months ago, following the acquisition of Verify.

And we are now within our Target, leverage range of 1.5 to 2.5 times.

We continue to maintain a disciplined approach to Capital deployment.

The acquisitions of ETF Stream and bond indices, which closed earlier this year, were completed using existing cash. We are maintaining our conservative approach to leverage.

These strategic investments expand our global footprint and asset classes while preserving our strong balance sheet position.

As of June 30th, we also held over $465 million in cash and marketable securities, which is $222 million in excess of the approximately $243 million we target to retain for regulatory purposes. Net of excess cash, our leverage ratio was at 2.1 times.

In closing, I'm pleased to announce that last night, our Board of Directors.

Approved. A 10% increase to our quarterly dividend to $0.22 per common share, payable on August 29th to shareholders of record as of August 15th.

This represents a dividend payout ratio of 42% in the second quarter, and our last 12 months' payout ratio was 43%, which is within our target payout range of 40% to 50%.

Our capital allocation strategy remains focused on three key priorities: investing in organic growth initiatives, pursuing acquisitions that accelerate our global strategy, and returning capital to shareholders. The strength of our balance sheet and strong free cash flow generation position us well.

Cash flow generation positions us well to continue executing on these priorities while maintaining the financial flexibility to respond to market opportunities as they arise.

So with that I'll now turn the call back to Amen. To moderate the Q&A period.

Thank you. David Jason, would you please outline the process for the Q&A session.

Thank you. We'll now begin the analyst question and answer session.

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And our first question comes from Benjamin Buddhist from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Hi. This is Chris O'Brien on for been. Uh, I wanted to touch on post trade a little bit. You talked about back at the investor day, how this could be a growth driver for the business with opportunities in CCMS and SGC. Um, now that the post-trade modernization project launched, uh, in April, can you give us an update on, you know, how you're thinking about potential Revenue opportunities in these buckets?

Yeah, good morning. Happy to. Um, so, so first of all, I will, uh, I do want to indicate that while we are launched on post trademark organization in the new system is in place and we are actually in the process of decommissioning, the old system. Um, the, uh, as David mentioned, we are still in a period which we call hypercare and by hypercare, I mean that a lot of all kind of all hands on deck are ensuring that everything is, uh, executing as it should be and we are dealing with any of those, you know, normal bug fixes and challenges that the industry is facing as we've gone live and making sure we all bring those to fruition and get them all resolved and remedy the Assassin's possible. Um, so as such and I just put that important context.

System that's utilized by everyone, and I work out of this hypercare phase. People can test against the new products and really deploy capital against them. Um, so we're exactly where we want to be in terms of those products being in the market. Given that it took a little longer to get to market on PTM, we're a bit behind where we would have liked to be in terms of generating new revenue on those. But we do expect them in the back half of the year.

Great. Uh, that's really helpful. And just real quick, if I can sneak one in on the U.S., ATS Alphax sounds like you've had some really strong progress and solid feedback. Um, so just kind of thinking over the long term, as this matures, I mean, how much share do you think you can take care, and how do you think about porting this tech back to the Canadian market?

Yeah, so those are both great questions. So um, the model that we are running right now is it's really designed to support institutional uh higher order complex executions so we're not going after the broad Market with it. You know markets of these size uh be more like you know 1 to couple percent of market share in terms of what the target 4 wheel functionality, we have today and I want to be very specific in that point because what we are doing there is we're actually proving out our capabilities in the US. And in addition to the volume components that I talked about earlier on what we're also seeing in the success success is second legs of clients, engaging and coming on to the system. So we had initial set in the first go, we've had more clients. Come on, as they've seen the initial success and demonstrated, the ability to actually solve problems for them. So that client engagement the volume. Build. All

See the expectations as I mentioned. So um, having success in that platform, gives us the ability to do 2 different things. So 1, as you mentioned, I'll get to on the technology in a second but the first piece is a successful deployment. Gives us the ability to build other things on that platform as well. And the team is already thinking about kind of what is next. There's a lot of Engagement. We've had with them clients, in terms of incremental functionality that they'd like to see that would allow us to grow even larger other potential product areas that they're looking for. So that is still an exploration side with the client side as to, where to go next on success of the initial platform and remembering that like we've only been going for 6 months. So, um, you know, this point, we are still in that build phase. Now, your second piece around technology is really important because this was a test bed for new platforms with us. Um, for those that don't know what we've actually done. Is we've taken a lot of the expertise in DNA from 2 of our different platforms. Our solar derivatives platform um our Quantum XA Equity platform a lot of the functionality from that we built it into a

Common system on new architecture, deployed it through a cloud-based delivery program and it is the DNA of where we see our long-term road map for the rest of our marketplaces. And so, we are already working to that that long-term plan in terms of how we continue to roll. All the other marketplaces, we have onto this next Generation architecture which quite candidly it is, it will be faster. It will have higher throughput and it will allow a different speed of execution than what we have today. And allow TMX to continue to be very competitive in the industry. So you've got to

Exactly, right. That is our blueprint for the long-term road map.

Great, thank you so much.

Our next question comes from aravinda Gala Pate from canaccord genuity. Please go ahead.

Good morning, thanks for, um, taking my questions, um, on. Um, maybe I'll just start with a question on treport, you know, seeing an acceleration day, even in GBP terms, uh, with respect to your growth there, you know, I know you've been discussing sort of some of the International Drivers that which have been sort of incrementally contributing to growth. Um, thought I'd ask whether, you know, maybe perhaps an update on that. Did that contribute to perhaps the sequential strengthening their, um, where some of those projects, uh, stand as of, uh, today in terms of their progress and then uh, quick follow-up on the, on the Opex side. Um, obviously a lot of moving pieces there just to help us with the second half as some of the Acquisitions, the impact of the Acquisitions taper off. And and, you know, there's obvious going to be some movement on the Strategic realignment cost. Um, perhaps David can kind of help us out on, um, some of the moving pieces for Q3 and Q4. Thank you, thank you. Um, it's a good morning. I I'll try and do.

That continues to grow and grow nicely. But that wasn't the driver. What really happened? Here is, um, we had 2 2 drivers. We, we had 8 new logos. Um, that joined the um, core uh, trade Port platform. Um, primarily in Continental Europe, and then what we also had is which is really the the biggest driver is the number of our site licenses. Um, that fell due in the second quarter were renewed and they did so by taking more, um, more licenses. So, those were really the core drivers for the the outperformance in in in Tradeport.

Turning to to expenses. Um, you know I would say really a good jumping off point to is is

Clean look through of what I would call the Q2 kind of run rate. Um, and then obviously, there will be, um, you know, some puts and takes as you go into the second half of the year. Um, a little bit of it is based on seasonality. Um, a little bit of it is based on things that you would have seen in Prior quarters. For example, as yet, the fourth quarter, you tend to have um a rundown on what we would refer to, as kind of the payroll tax kind of component, whereas in q1, it's typically a much higher number, but I think the best thing for you to do is is is look through the the kind of Q2 number as a cue, as a core number, and then kind of run right off of that.

Thank you. I'll pass the line.

And our next question comes from Etn Ricard from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Thank you and good morning. I want to, uh, Circle back on the upcoming launch of the uh, credit index. Futures, uh, can you give us some context?

As to what demand this new product is filling in.

Over time. What upside to to uh, derivative volumes uh could we see

Yeah, so, I mean, it's all it's always hard to give the upside in terms of volumes because it'll actually be a question of the usage but the demand comes from direct client engagement on this. So, you know, very much like the clients that are using our, our yield curve products. This is been in consultation with them as to where they've got um gaps in terms of their ability to both take exposure and create hedges in the marketplace and risk management. And, and as you can imagine, you know, 1 of the pieces that volatility in the markets Drive, particularly around rates and credit is demand for more, um, hedge and risk management tools. Uh, so it's directly driven by the client engagement. Uh, we do regular engagement in terms of what their needs are. There are other products that are in the pipeline as well that we are thinking about this coming from that feedback. Uh, but this is a key 1 and we were able to build it off of an existing Benchmark that's used for over-the-counter trading today. So that's the key on a lot of these things is we actually look for things where there's a need that's being

Currently, it is delivered through the over-the-counter market, where there is volume. By providing an on-exchange product, we can create a better experience with better offsets and interoperability. So that is what we're trying to do. However, it would be too premature to actually say what the volume potential is yet until we see some actual experience in the market.

Okay. Understood and and John in capital formation. Uh, what are you hearing from potential? New issuers or um our companies gaining increasing confidence to go public?

Relative to, let's say, a year ago.

I I wish that was a data set that we actually had in our suite that we could deploy as well. The I'll call it like the issuer confidence data index. Um, we are having more conversations so that is, it's been a positive. As you may have noted in my notes, we actually saw uh, multiple corporate new listings. Uh, both in terms of corporate listings that come through, uh, some of the vehicles, we have like cpc's and RTO, uh, graduates from venture to senior, uh, but actual real IPOs as well, in terms of, uh, IPOs that we've had on the Venture exchange. The new IPO of the go, uh, residential Reit on the senior exchange. So those are all positive indicators. I think if you have looked to the US market, which is often the leader here. Uh, they are seeing more activity, you're hearing that from the exchanges there as well, they're seeing not just activity, but pieces in the pipeline as well. And our pipeline has continued to be robust all through this. So there is good signs of confidence. I mean, I always get a little nervous with news like we have today or

Around tariffs that that disrupts confidence somewhat. Uh but we are seeing good signs, the other piece to be candid though that it's a really strong indicator is the financing activity outside of IPOs.

To see, we'd like to see financing up in both terms of dollars financing up in terms of numbers as a positive indicator, going forward.

Thank you very much.

The next question comes from. Stephan Boland from Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Uh, morning, guys. Um, just I know you made some strategic changes in management in Vafaie. I'm wondering, uh, you know, now that that person is in place, what is the next step for, you know, I guess that verify within, uh, Global Insights?

Yeah, so I think you're referring to, uh, the move we made with Peter taking on the leadership of all of global global insights Peter who had been leading, uh, Tradeport beforehand. Now, putting all of global insights under his leadership. Um, there's a number of pieces to what we are trying to do there and what Peter's trying to to do with the team. And and it's really about taking all these really strong Insight businesses like Tradeport like data and verify and moving them up another level in terms of the way that we engage with clients. The way that we engage with product opportunities that cross the different business lines and the engage we engage from both a cross-selling and promoting these businesses. Um, so we're taking a lot of the successes that we had. In terms of the execution of Tradeport, uh, taking more of an Enterprise mindset in terms of how we engage with clients, uh, in terms of longer term relationships. In terms of the value, you provide and bringing some of that same kind of deal.

Na culture to the rest of the insights franchise. And so I want to be fair to appear that his early days, in terms of taking on that new mandate, they'll be work for them all collectively to do in terms of how we move up. Uh, but we're already having those really good conversations across the franchise as to how we use capabilities, that may be in 1 of those businesses for a customer challenges in other businesses. And I'm going to give you just a couple of really simple highlights. We have a, um, we have a trade signaling in data product, that's in Tradeport. We are looking at how we actually Port that over into things like equity and fixed income. Uh, we've got data sets, uh, around fixed income data sets. We're looking to see, how do we Infuse those into our index operations? So that's, that's what we're trying to create. Is that Enterprise mindset around Global insights both? How we think across TMX is Enterprise? But also how we think about the client's Enterprise engagement and how we can do more to help them in terms of solution to what they're trying to do. So that's the vision and I and I really think we are just very much in the early days and there is a lot of

Uh, wood for us to chop here. In terms of taking advantage of all the things we've put together here.

Okay, I appreciate that. Second, I know you.

Too much every quarter, just your Capital, allocation priorities, the leverages, and is in your targeted range, you do have a debenture. That's, uh, you know, current coming to do in a year. I'm just wondering what where your thoughts on Capital allocation are

Yes, Stephen. It's, um, very consistent with my, my remarks earlier right? So, um, yep. You're you're right, we do have an adventure coming due, um, in in 2026, which is why it's now moved into into current. And, um, we we obviously, will will repay that, um, you know, on on the scheduled date. But really, the focus for us is invest in the organic growth of the franchise. First and foremost, um we're not a super Capital intensive organization, so um, that's a smaller amount but it is the most important um First Avenue for deploying capital.

The second then is really is opportunities for us to accelerate our strategy, right? And and that could be um, partnering. It could be um, you know, uh co-investing. And it also could be through um complete acquisition. As you've seen with some of the um, smaller attack in many of which are are adding to either asset classes or becoming core product lines in parts of the business, right? What we've been doing in corporate Solutions, what we've been doing in TMX verify and so forth. So it it gives you a good indication as to kind of the the priority. And then finally, it's returning to um you know, Capital to our shareholders and what we've effectively done is we've you know primarily done that over the last 18 months, through dividends right and share price appreciation, if you will. But really we used to have a normal course issue of it, right? A a share buyback program um primarily to mitigate the kind of offset of dilution.

Of the dilution of the exercising of options and so forth. Now that we're within our range. Um, my mean that the team are are looking at kind of, um, proposing that we kind of renew that, um, it's a good thing to have in your Capital deployment, uh, strategy. And so, I'd look for for something along those lines, kind of as we go into 2026, but that kind of gives you the full stack Stefan is kind of how we, you know, run it from top to bottom invest organically.

Returning, Capital shareholders.

That's great. Appreciate that. Thanks.

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1 and our next question comes from Graham writing from T. TD Securities, please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. Um

So the FCC, they've been looking at this order protection rule. Recently, just, I guess they're considering introducing tokenized equity securities. So maybe just some thoughts on the direction they're moving here and the potential implications broadly for the equity trading landscape.

Yeah, so I'm I'm actually really glad they're looking at this and, um, I I actually wouldn't characterize it as they're looking to introduce it. They're actually looking at how do they actually do the right Market structure? So you can have open market for Innovation with appropriate protections for investors. And, um, like you like you raised, like, the tokenization of existing equities, uh, is actually quite a challenge, because it's putting people in position where there's adverse investor impacts, uh, because there is actually no underlying. Um, so these are the things that they're looking at. They're looking to a broad consultation in terms of how to improve, uh, the market structure. Um, and, including in that broad consultation is actually even us engaging with the US and understanding how is the Canadian Market differed in terms of the order protection regime, in terms of what that done to actually Foster a competitive market structure. Uh, so we're actually engaging on that to provide some feedback and insight in terms of how the markets evolved here. Uh, but

I wouldn't want a Prejudice where I think they're going to go with this. Um, I think you can take, uh, uh, some notice that the administration there is, uh, supportive of Open Access Market that stimulates, um, Innovation, uh, but it doesn't mean they are taking their obligations around investor protection without without warrant. Um, so we'll see how that goes. It's going to take time, it is an open consultation piece and then any rule, making will take even longer and, and we'll go through the appropriate reviews. So, um, this is an area, like a lot of things. I don't think there's anything for us to react to at this point, uh, but be cautious of, and actually make sure that that experience that we all see in multiple marketplaces is part of that discussion process. And we have, we've actually, as an organization increase, what I'll call our investment in the relationship at the SEC. So we can actually get more engaged with these files. Uh, because we are becoming a more growing player in the US market. So, um, and the FCC has been open and uh, to meeting with us on these things.

Okay, great. Um, and then David just mentioned that expense growth was, um, you know, good execution this quarter. I'm calculating a 55% EBIT margin, which I think is up from sort of the 52% to 54% range over the last few years. Maybe just some comments on whether this is repeatable, you know, if this is a level that you can sustain on an annual basis or any commentary there.

Yeah, I think, you know, when you talk IBA margin, Graham, I mean, the wild card there is really the revenue growth. As you know, a lot of our expense space is relatively fixed and then, obviously, it's subject to inflationary pressures and so forth.

So, you know that the strengthening of the margin is for sure on the heels of, as John and I have covered in the formal remarks, I mean, we have a really good track record in the last four quarters of some record revenue growth. Um, so this first half of the year is obviously significantly benefiting from some of the increase in volume we’re seeing on the Montreal Exchange. So, yeah, I mean, long may this continue. Um, but the wild card is really looking forward into the next 6 to 12 and 18 months in terms of what the revenue outlook looks like. Once again, I just guide you to our long-term objectives for our revenue growth, which we still hold true to. And so, yeah, this should continue.

That's it for me. Thank you.

This concludes the question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Amin Mousavian for closing remarks.

Thank you, Jason, thanks for joining us for today's call. Uh, I wish you got all a happy and joyous summer for what's left of it and have a great long weekend and with that we will close the call. Thank you.

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