Q2 2025 CRA International (Charles River Associates) Earnings Call
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Rob: Good day, everyone, and welcome to Charles River Associates' second quarter 2025 conference call. Please note that today's call is being recorded. The company's earnings release and prepared CFO remarks are posted on the Investor Relations section of CRA's website at crai.com. With us today are CRA's President and Chief Executive Officer, Paul Maleh, and Chief Corporate Development Officer and Interim Chief Financial Officer, Chad Holmes. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Holmes for opening remarks. Chad, please go ahead.
Good day, everyone and welcome to Charles River Associates second quarter 2025 conference call.
Please note that today's call is being recorded.
Company's earnings release and prepared CFO remarks are posted on the Investor Relations section of Cra's website at sea or AI Dot com.
With us today are Cra's, President and Chief Executive Officer of Paul O'malley, and Chief Corporate Development Officer, and interim Chief Financial Officer, Chad Holmes at this time I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Holmes for opening remarks, Chad. Please go ahead.
Chad Holmes: Thank you, Rob, and good morning to everyone. Please note that the statements made during this conference call, including guidance on future revenue and non-GAAP EBITDA margin and any other statements concerning the future business, operating results, or financial condition of CRA, including those statements using the terms "expect," "outlook," or similar terms, are forward-looking statements as defined in Section 21 of the Exchange Act. Information contained in these forward-looking statements is based on management's current expectations and is inherently uncertain. Actual performance and results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements due to many important factors, including the level of demand for our services as a result of changes in general and industry-specific economic conditions.
Thank you, Rob and good morning to everyone.
Note that the statements made during this conference call, including guidance on future revenue and non-GAAP EBITDA margin and any other statements concerning the future business operating results or financial condition of CRA, including those statements using the terms expect outlook or.
Or similar terms are forward looking statements as defined in section 21 of the Exchange Act information contained in these forward looking statements is based on management's current expectations and is inherently uncertain actual performance and results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the state.
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Chad Holmes: Additional information regarding these factors is included in today's release and in CRA's periodic reports, including our most recently filed annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q filed with the SEC. CRA undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements after the date of this call. Additionally, we will refer to some non-GAAP financial measures and certain measures presented on a constant currency basis on this call. Everyone is encouraged to refer to today's release and related CFO remarks for reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to their GAAP comparable measures and descriptions of the calculation of EBITDA and measures presented on a constant currency basis. I will now turn it over to Paul for his report. Paul?
On Form 10-K, and quarterly reports on Form 10-Q filed with the SEC CRA undertakes no obligation to update any forward looking statements. After the date of this call.
Additionally, we will refer to some non-GAAP financial measures and certain measures presented on a constant currency basis. On this call everyone is encouraged to refer to today's release and related CFO remarks for reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to their GAAP comparable measures and descriptions of.
The calculation of EBITDA and measures presented on a constant currency basis, I will now turn it over to Paul for his report Paul.
Paul Maleh: Thanks, Chad, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today. CRA's long-term performance is indicative of the company's overall quality and demonstrates its ability to capitalize on growth opportunities in the market. We extended our run of strong performance into the second quarter of fiscal 2025. Building on seven consecutive years of record annual revenue and a best-ever first-quarter start to fiscal 2025, revenue in the second quarter increased by 9% year-over-year to $186.9 million. Our performance was broad-based, with 7 of 11 practices growing year-over-year. Our antitrust and competition economics, energy, intellectual property, and labor and employment practices each posted double-digit revenue growth. Additionally, our North American and international operations contributed to the quarter's revenue growth, increasing 9.4% and 7.0% respectively. CRA continues to grow revenue and grow it profitably, improving profit margins and profit dollars over the past five years.
Thanks, Chad and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today.
Theories long term performance is indicative of the company's overall quality and demonstrates its ability to capitalize on growth opportunities in the market. We extended our run of strong performance into the second quarter of fiscal 2025 building on seven consecutive years of rent.
Third annual revenue and our best ever first quarter start to fiscal 2025 revenue in the second quarter increased by 9% year over year to $186 $9 million. Our performance was broad based with seven of 11 practices growing year over year.
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Additionally, our north American and international operations contributed to the quarter's revenue growth, increasing nine 4% and 7.0% respectively.
Theory continues to grow revenue and grow it profitably improving profit margins and profit dollars over the past five years. The first half of fiscal 2025 builds on this trend surpassing the record setting first half of fiscal 'twenty 'twenty four for non-GAAP net income E. P. S.
Paul Maleh: The first half of fiscal 2025 builds on this trend, surpassing the record-setting first half of fiscal 2024 for non-GAAP net income, EPS, and EBITDA by 6%, 8%, and 8% respectively. During the second quarter, we welcomed more than 50 new consultants while improving consultant utilization on a year-over-year basis to 76%. We are especially pleased with the level of consultant productivity as the second and third quarters are typically periods of meaningful seasonal transitions highlighted by inflows and outflows within our junior consultant ranks. The increase in utilization was supported by the continued replenishing of our sales pipeline. In the first six months of 2025, project lead flow increased by 2% year-over-year. Adjusting for the transition projects relating to the IP team that joined CRA in the second quarter of 2024, project lead flow through the first half of 2025 increased by 5% year-over-year.
And EBITDA by 6%, 8% and 8% respectively.
During the second quarter, we welcomed more than 15, new consultants, while improving consultant utilization on a year over year basis to 76%, we are especially pleased with the level of consultant productivity as the second and third quarters are typically periods of meaningful seasonal.
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The increase in utilization was supported by the continued replenishing of our sales pipeline in the first six months of 2025 project lead flow increased by 2% year over year adjusting for the transition projects relating to the IP team that joined CRA in the second.
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Paul Maleh: Revenue in the second quarter from CRA's legal and regulatory services increased by nearly 11%. This growth was supported by activity in the broader legal market as total case filings and total court judgments increased 17% and 6% respectively compared to the second quarter of 2024. Capitalizing on ongoing merger-related activity and continued demand for antitrust services, our antitrust and competition economics practice established a new high for quarterly revenue. The practice continues to support clients on high-profile mergers as worldwide M&A activity reached nearly $2 trillion during the first half of 2025, an increase of 33% compared to year-ago levels and the strongest opening period for dealmaking since 2022.
Revenue in the second quarter from Cra's legal and regulatory services increased by nearly 11%. This growth was supported by activity in the broader legal market as total case filings in total court judgments increased 17% and 6% respectively compared to the SEC.
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Capitalizing on ongoing merger related activity and continued demand for antitrust services, our antitrust and competition economics practice established a new high for quarterly revenue. The practice continues to support clients on high profile mergers as worldwide M&A activity reached near.
Really two trillion dollars during the first half of 2025, an increase of 33% compared to year ago levels and the strongest opening period for deal making since 2022.
Paul Maleh: During the second quarter, for example, CRA's competition practice provided critical economic analysis and expert testimony across multiple antitrust jurisdictions to support Hewlett-Packard Enterprises and Juniper Networks in securing regulatory approval for their $14 billion merger, including clearing US federal and global antitrust hurdles. Members of our competition practice also provided economic analysis and testimony in a Delaware court that supported a successful $406 million jury verdict for a major pharmaceutical client. Relying in part on the CRA analysis, the court found that the defendant's bundling of drugs had unlawfully foreclosed competition, resulting in punitive damages. In Q2, CRA's intellectual property practice advised on multiple high-stakes litigation and valuation matters covering a broad range of industries and legal forms.
During the second quarter for example, Cra's competition practice provided critical economic analysis and expert testimony across multiple antitrust jurisdictions to support Hewlett Packard enterprises, and Juniper networks in securing regulatory approval for their 14 billion dollar merger.
Including clearing U S federal and global antitrust hurdles.
Members of our competition practice also provided economic analysis and testimony in a Delaware court that.
Supported a successful 406 million dollar jury verdict for a major pharmaceutical client relying in part on the CRA analysis. The court found that the defendants bundling up drugs had had unlawfully foreclosed competition, resulting in punitive damages in Q.
Two series intellectual property practice advised on multiple high Stakes litigation and valuation matters covering a broad range of industries and legal forms for example, CRA intellectual property and life Sciences teams collaborated on a patent infringement case involving a new life sales.
Paul Maleh: For example, CRA's intellectual property and life sciences teams collaborated on a patent infringement case involving a new life-saving transcatheter aortic valve technology where hundreds of millions in damages are at stake. CRA's IP expert quantified the patient life years saved due to this innovation and then valued these saved life years to determine a range of reasonable loyalty rates. Concurrently, CRA's life sciences team provided support by interpreting medical studies related to the patented technology's benefit. In another IP matter, a CRA expert provided testimony regarding investment in a US domestic industry and public interest in an international trade investigation involving the manufacture of cochlear implants. The case resolved favorably for CRA's clients immediately prior to trial. CRA's labor and employment practice continues to be a valued partner for clients in early-stage assessments and mediation assistance in both discrimination and wage and hour litigation matters.
Lifesaving Transcatheter aortic valve technology, where hundreds of millions in damages are at stake Cra's IP expert quantified the patient life years saved due to this innovation and then valued these saved life years to determine a range of reasonable loyal.
Two rates concurrently Cra's life Sciences team provided support by interpreting medical studies related to the patented technologies benefit and another IP matter.
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Experts provided testimony regarding investments and a U S domestic industry and public interest.
The public interest and in international trade investigation involving the manufacturer of cochlear implants. The case resolved favorably for Cra's clients immediately prior to trial theories labor and employment practice continues to be valued partner for clients in early stage.
Testaments in mediation assistance in both discrimination and wage and hour litigation matters. For example, during the second quarter, our CRE expert opined in a class action lawsuit against the customer service support software company LNG, alleging underpayment of female employees and viola.
Paul Maleh: For example, during the second quarter, a CRA expert opined in a class action lawsuit against the customer service support software company alleging underpayment of female employees in violation of the California Equal Pay Act. The CRA project team analyzed human resources and payroll data and submitted a rebuttal report demonstrating the flaws in the opposing expert's work. Within our management consulting services, revenue increased roughly 5% year-over-year, led by the continued strong performance of our energy practice. During the quarter, CRA's energy practice continued to experience strong demand across a wide range of service areas. The team is actively supporting utilities, developers, and investors as they navigate a rapidly evolving energy landscape shaped by policy shifts and accelerating load growth. Approximately half of the practice's work remains focused on utilities where we are helping clients reassess strategy and capital investment plans.
Nation of the California equal pay out the theory project team analyzed human resources and payroll data and submitted a rebuttal reports demonstrating the flaws in the opposing experts work within our management consulting services revenue increased roughly 5% year over year led.
By the continued strong performance of our energy practice during the quarter Cra's energy practice continued to experience strong demand across a wide range of service areas. The team is actively supporting utilities developers and investors as they navigate a rapidly evolving energy landscape.
Safe by policy shifts and accelerating load growth approximately half of the practices work remains focused on utilities, where we are helping clients reassess strategy and capital investment plan.
Paul Maleh: Much of this activity is being driven by changes in federal renewable incentives and a surge in data center-related electricity demand, both of which are prompting utilities to pivot and pursue new regulatory filings to realign their long-term plans. As power availability becomes a gating factor for data center development in key markets, the team is increasingly helping clients shape integrated approaches to infrastructure planning, contracting, and energy sourcing. During the second quarter, the energy practice advised an electric utility on how to structure its response to anticipated large load requests. It also led a buy-side due diligence for a client evaluating the acquisition of a data center asset and supported multiple developers on siting strategy and utility engagement. Our life sciences practice continued to adeptly navigate challenging industry dynamics, posting a slight decline in the second quarter but expanding year-over-year for the first half of fiscal 2025.
Much of this activity is being driven by changes in federal renewable incentives and a surge in data center related electricity demand both of which are prompting utilities to pivot and pursuit of new regulatory filings to realign their long term plans.
As power availability becomes a gaining factor for data center development in key market. The team is increasingly helping clients shape integrated approaches to infrastructure planning contracting and energy sourcing during the second quarter the energy practice advisor.
Buys an electric utility on how to structure. Its response to anticipated large load request. It also led a buy side due diligence where client evaluating the acquisition of a data center asset and supported multiple developers on fighting strategy and utility engagement.
Our life Sciences practice continued to have definitely navigate challenging industry dynamics, posting a slight decline in the second quarter, but expanding year over year for the first half of fiscal 2025 in the second quarter. The practice continued to support clients strategic initiatives across a range of.
Paul Maleh: In the second quarter, the practice continued to support client strategic initiatives across a range of strategy, policy, and expert witness projects. For example, the practice continues to work in the immune oncology space, helping clients to assess opportunities and develop launch strategies for new products and combination therapies. Overall, I'm grateful to all of my colleagues for their hard work during the second quarter as we helped our clients address their most important challenges. Combined with the first quarter, the start of fiscal 2025 represents the best first half of revenue in the company's history. Year to date, on a constant currency basis relative to fiscal 2024, CRA generated total revenue of $367.6 million and non-GAAP EBITDA of $47.7 million, resulting in a margin of 13%.
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Overall I am grateful to all my colleagues for their hard work during the second quarter as we helped our clients address their most important challenges.
Combined with the first quarter the start of fiscal 2025 represents the best first half of revenue in the company's history year to date on a constant currency basis relative to fiscal 'twenty 'twenty four CRA generated total revenue of $367 6 million.
And non-GAAP EBITDA of $47 $7 million, resulting in a margin of 13%.
Paul Maleh: Given our strong first-half results and a healthy pipeline, we are increasing our revenue guidance and raising the lower end of our profit guidance. For full-year fiscal 2025, on a constant currency basis relative to fiscal 2024, we expect revenue in the range of $730 million to $745 million and non-GAAP EBITDA margin in the range of 12.3% to 13.0%. This new guidance compares with prior revenue range of $715 million to $735 million and non-GAAP EBITDA margin in the range of 12.0% to 13.0%. As the remainder of our fiscal year ends on January 3rd, 2026, resulting in a 14th week in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025. While we are pleased with CRA's strong start to fiscal 2025, we remain mindful that uncertain global macroeconomic, business, and political conditions can affect our business and our client needs.
Given our strong first half results and a healthy pipeline, we are increasing our revenue guidance and raising the lower end of our profit guidance for full year fiscal 2025 on a constant currency basis relative to fiscal 2024, we expect revenue in the range of 730 million.
Two 745 million and non-GAAP EBITDA margin in the range of $12, 3% to 13.1%. This new guidance compares with prior revenue range of $715 million to $735 million and non-GAAP EBITDA margin in the range of 12 point out.
To 13.1%.
As the remainder of fiscal year.
As the remainder of our fiscal year ends on January three 2026, resulting in a 14th week.
In the fourth quarter of fiscal 2025, while we are pleased with CRA strong start to fiscal 2025, we remain mindful that uncertain global macroeconomic business and political conditions can affect our business and our client needs with that I will turn the call over to Chad for a few additional.
Paul Maleh: With that, I'll turn the call over to Chad for a few additional comments. Chad?
Chad Holmes: Thanks, Paul. As a reminder, more expansive commentary on our financial results is available on the Investor Relations section of our website under prepared CFO remarks. Before we get to your questions, I will provide a few additional metrics related to our performance in the second quarter of fiscal '25. In terms of consultant headcount, we ended the quarter at 937, consisting of 159 officers, 557 other senior staff, and 221 junior staff. This represents a 3.2% year-over-year decrease compared with the 968 consultant headcount reported at the end of Q2 fiscal 2024. Adjusting for the effects of portfolio optimization actions completed over the past year, our current consultant headcount is flat year-over-year.
Comments Chad.
Thanks, Paul as a reminder, more expansive commentary on our financial results is available on the Investor Relations section of our website under prepared CFO remarks, before we get to your questions I will provide a few additional metrics related to our performance in the second quarter of fiscal 'twenty five.
In terms of consultant head count we ended the quarter at 937, consisting of 159 officers 557, other senior staff and 221 Junior staff.
This represents a three 2% year over year decrease compared with the 968 consultant head count reported at the end of Q2 fiscal 2024.
Adjusting for the effects of portfolio optimization actions completed over the past year, our current consultant head count is flat year over year.
Chad Holmes: Over the next couple of months, we look forward to welcoming the remainder of our 2025 analyst class, which in total will consist of more than 100 recent college graduates as we continue to feed those practices that are able to capitalize on growth opportunities. Non-GAAP selling general and administrative expenses, excluding the 2.4% attributable to commissions to non-employee experts, was 16.3% of revenue for the second quarter of fiscal 2025, compared with 16.4% a year ago. The effective tax rate for the second quarter of fiscal 2025 on a non-GAAP basis was 29.0%, compared with 29.4% on a non-GAAP basis for the second quarter of fiscal 2024. Turning to the balance sheet, DSO stood at 110 days at the end of the second quarter, consistent with the 110 days at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2024.
Over the next couple of months, we look forward to welcoming the remainder of our 2025 analysts class, which in total will consist of more than 100 recent college graduates as we continue to feed those practices that are able to capitalize on growth opportunities.
non-GAAP selling general and administrative expenses, excluding the 2.4% attributable to commissions to non employee experts was 16, 3% of revenue for the second quarter of fiscal 2025, compared with 16, 4% a year ago.
Effective tax rate for the second quarter of fiscal 2025 on a non-GAAP basis was 29.0% compared with 29, 4% on a non-GAAP basis for the second quarter of fiscal 'twenty to 'twenty four.
Turning to the balance sheet DSO stood at 110 days at the end of the second quarter consistent with the 110 days at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2024.
Chad Holmes: DSO in the second quarter consisted of 73 days of build and 37 days of unbuild. With respect to our capital and capital deployment during the quarter, we concluded the quarter with $19.4 million of cash and $120 million of borrowings under our revolving credit facility, resulting in a net debt of $100.6 million. The borrowings were used to manage working capital needs during the first two quarters, including the funding of annual bonus payments as we have done in prior years. In addition to the normal bonus cycle, the second quarter of 2025 saw cash outlays of $13.5 million for talent investments and $1.2 million for capital expenditures. During the second quarter, we returned $46.6 million of capital to our shareholders, consisting of $3.4 million of dividend payments and $43.2 million for repurchases of approximately 231,000 shares. We currently have $14.9 million available under our share repurchase program.
DSO in the second quarter consisted of 73 days of billed and 37 days of Unbilled.
With respect to our capital and capital deployment during the quarter, we concluded the quarter with $19 $4 million of cash and $120 million of borrowings under our revolving credit facility, resulting in a net debt of $106 million. The borrowings were used to manage.
Working capital needs during the first two quarters, including the funding of annual bonus payments as we've done in prior years.
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During the second quarter, we returned $46 $6 million of capital to our shareholders consisting of $3 $4 million of dividend payments and $43 $2 million for repurchases of approximately 231000 shares. We currently have $14 $9 million available.
Under our share repurchase program.
Chad Holmes: We concluded the second quarter of fiscal 2025 with total liquidity of $145.9 million, consisting of $19.4 million of cash and cash equivalents and a further $126.5 million of availability on our line of credit. That concludes my prepared remarks. Before we open the call for questions, Paul has a few final comments. Paul?
We concluded the second quarter of fiscal 2025, with total liquidity of $145 $9 million, consisting of $19 $4 million of cash and cash equivalents and a further $126 5 million of availability on our line of credit.
That concludes my prepared remarks before we open the call for questions. Paul has a few final comments Paul.
Paul Maleh: Thanks, Chad. Before we start the Q&A, I want to take a moment to welcome the newest members of CRA's executive leadership team. As we announced last week by press release and effective August 4th, Eric Nierenberg has been promoted to Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, and Treasurer. Brian Langan has been promoted to Executive Vice President and Chief Strategy and Business Transformation Officer. Stani David has been promoted to Principal Accounting Officer in addition to her current roles as CRA's Chief Accounting Officer and Controller. These leadership transitions reflect the breadth and depth of CRA's management talent and signal our commitment to long-term strategic priorities. I also want to thank Chad for his help and leadership as Interim CFO. He will continue to serve as CRA's Executive Vice President and Chief Corporate Development Officer.
Thanks, Chad before we start the Q&A I want to take a moment to welcome the newest members of Cra's Executive leadership team as we announced last week by press release and effective August four Eric Nierenberg has been promoted to executive Vice President Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.
Ian Laing in has been promoted to executive Vice President and Chief strategy and business transformation Officer Sandy David has been promoted to principal accounting officer. In addition to her current role as Cra's, Chief Accounting Officer and controller.
These leadership transitions reflect the breadth and depth of theories management talent and signal our commitment to long term strategic priorities I also want to thank Chad for his help and leadership.
Interim CFO he will continue to serve as CRA as executive Vice President and Chief Corporate Development Officer, Chad and I look forward to working with our newly promoted colleagues as we continue executing our strategic plan to maximize CRA as long term value per share and with that we will.
Paul Maleh: Chad and I look forward to working with our newly promoted colleagues as we continue executing our strategic plan to maximize CRA's long-term value per share. And with that, we will open the call up for questions. Operator, please go ahead.
Open.
On the call up for questions. Operator. Please go ahead.
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Our first question comes from Marc Riddick with Sidoti <unk> Company. Please proceed with your question.
Marc Riddick: Thank you. Good morning.
Thank you good morning.
Paul Maleh: Good morning, Mark.
Good morning, Mark.
Marc Riddick: So I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about maybe some of the drivers around the guidance raised. And it's certainly encouraging, but I was sort of curious as to maybe how you feel about the levels of visibility this time of year relative to maybe what they've been historically and if there were any particular things that sort of underpin that a bit.
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The drivers around the bank.
Guidance.
Ladies and it's certainly encouraging but I was sort of curious as to maybe how.
Do you feel about the levels of visibility at this time of the year.
Relative to maybe what they've been historically.
There are any particular things that sort of.
Sort of underpins that a bit.
Paul Maleh: Sure. You know, we begin with just, again, a strong first half of fiscal 2025, and that's a continuation of a really strong fiscal 2024. So we've had great continuity across our portfolio in delivering profitable revenue growth. So we begin with that. We're also quite excited about the level of leaf flow activity coming into the firm through the first half of fiscal 2025. With respect to, has our visibility changed standing here today? I would say no, but what we can't foresee is any kind of disruption associated with the geopolitical environment in the months and quarters ahead. But with everything that we see before us, we remain bullish about CRA's future.
Sure.
We begin with just again, a strong first half of fiscal 2025, and that's a continuation of a really strong fiscal 2024. So we've had great continuity across our portfolio and delivering profitable revenue growth. So we begin with that.
We're also quite excited about the level of lead flow activity coming into the firm.
Through the first half of fiscal 2025.
With respect to as our visibility change standing here today.
I'd say, no, but what we can't foresee.
Any kind of disruption associated with the geopolitical environment.
In the months and quarters ahead, but with everything that we see before us.
We remain bullish about cra's future.
Marc Riddick: Great. And I was sort of curious as to whether you're seeing much in the way of any particular shift in M&A regulatory leads with the current administration, whether that's changed much over the last few months or whether clients are sort of engaged in a different form. And the other part of this, I guess, maybe being maybe the size of some of the deals that you're seeing. Are you getting the sense that some of the deals that you're working on have been larger? Are they sort of taking longer to sort of go through the process, or are they kind of similar to what they've done historically?
Great.
Sort of curious as to whether youre seeing much in the way of.
Any any particular shift in M&A.
Regulatory needs with the current administration, whether there.
That's that's changed much.
Over the last few months or whether clients are sort of engaged with different.
Four.
And the other part of this I guess, maybe the size of some of the deals that you're seeing are you getting the sense that some of the deals that youre working on have been larger or are these are taking longer to sort of go through the process or kind of.
Similar to what they've been historically.
Paul Maleh: Yeah. I mean, I guess you got to start with highlighting that our antitrust and competition economics practice, again, posted its best quarter ever. So their demand profile remains really strong, both here in North America and internationally. I think it's difficult to answer your question just because of the small sample set we have to compare to. There's clearly been a lot of discussions about what's going on in the US regulatory bodies and what's going on abroad. But to say we have seen a noticeable shift just in these first seven months of fiscal 2025, I don't think I can say that. Deal levels in terms of size, no, no real change in the aggregate size of the deals of the complexity, but we're getting called on all these large prominent matters. And so we're pretty excited with that.
Yeah, I mean, I guess, you got to start with highlighting that our antitrust and competition economics practice.
Again posted its best quarter ever.
So their demand profile remains really strong both here in North America and internationally.
I think the.
It's difficult to answer your question just because of the small sample set we have to compare to.
There's clearly been a lot of discussions about what's going on in the U S regulatory bodies and whats going on abroad.
But to say, we have seen a noticeable shift.
Just in these first seven months of fiscal 2025, I don't think I can say that.
Deal levels.
In terms of size.
No no real change in the aggregate size of the deals.
Of the complexity, but we're getting called.
On all of these large prominent matters.
And so we're pretty excited with that.
Paul Maleh: And until we see any kind of sizable shift, we're going to continue business as usual.
And until we see any kind of sizable shift we're going to continue business as usual.
Marc Riddick: Great. And then have you seen much of it, or maybe you can give us an update as to how you're feeling with the pricing environment or if you've seen much of a change through the year? You're getting much in the way of additional pushback from clients in different areas that you think?
Hey, Brandon.
Or maybe you can.
Give us an update as to how you're feeling about the pricing environment or if you've seen much change through the year, we didn't passionately.
Additional pushback.
Is that what you think.
Paul Maleh: Sure. So I can start with the rate increases that we put in for fiscal 2025 appear to have gone through. We appear to be realizing these improvements in rates on our new projects in fiscal 2025. So we're quite pleased with that. I think clients continue, as they always have, to demand value. So you may increase rates, but commensurate with those increasing rates, you also have to think about how you are providing more efficient services to our clients, and you're doing that in the most cost-effective manner possible. So we've always been asked about efficiency and value delivery. And I think just the continued growth and success of the firm says that we're doing a pretty good job on meeting those expectations.
Sure. So I can start with the rate increases that we put forth that we put in.
For fiscal 2025 appear.
Two have gone through we appear to be realizing.
These improvements in rates on our new projects in fiscal 2025.
So we're quite pleased with that.
Clients continue as they always have.
Two demand value.
So you may increase rates, but commensurate with those increase in rates. You also have to think about how you are providing more efficient.
Services to our clients and you're doing that in the most cost effective manner possible. So we've always been asked.
About efficiency and value delivery.
And I think just the continued growth and success of the firm.
Says that we're doing a pretty good job on meeting those expectations.
Marc Riddick: Great. And then the last one for me, I just was sort of curious as to the share of purchase activity, if there was any particular timing we should be thinking about that. Like, was that sort of throughout the quarter or late in the quarter and sort of how that registers to kind of where share account ended at the end of the quarter?
Last one for me.
Sort of curious as to the share repurchase activity. If there was any particular.
Timing, we should be thinking about that like what's that as well.
Throughout the quarter or late in the quarter, it's our file that.
Pressures to kind of where share count ended at the end of the quarter.
Paul Maleh: Sure. You know, we have historically been very bullish on buying back CRA shares. That bullishness hasn't changed. In fiscal 2025, we began the year quite optimistic about our outlook across the portfolio of services. And we have a plan in terms of what we expect to deliver on that outlook. And Q1 was a relatively small open window for share repurchases. So the majority of our share repurchase activity took place in Q2. And from really the launch of the open window until roughly about two weeks remaining into the quarter. And we put a pretty good dent in those share repurchases. The levels that we bought at and the prices that we purchased, we think still pose great value. And I think the updated guidance says that our outlook continues to align with our expectation.
Sure.
We have.
They have historically been very bullish on buying back CRA shares.
That bullishness hasn't changed.
In fiscal 2025, we began the year quite optimistic about our outlook across the portfolio of services.
We have a plan in terms of what we expect to deliver on that outlook.
And Q1 was a relatively small open window for share repurchases. So the majority of our share repurchase activity took place in Q2 and from really the launch of the open window.
Until roughly about two weeks remaining into the quarter.
And we put a pretty good dent in those share repurchases the levels that we bought at and the prices that we purchased.
Things still pose great value.
And I think the updated guidance says that our outlook.
Continues to align with our expectation.
Marc Riddick: Great. Thank you very much.
Great. Thank you very much.
Paul Maleh: Thank you, Mark.
Thank you Mark.
Operator: Our next question comes from Kevin Stankey with Barrington Research. Please proceed with your question.
Our next question comes from Kevin Steinke with Barrington Research. Please proceed with your question.
Kevin Steinke: Hey, thanks, and good morning.
Hey, Thanks, and good morning.
Paul Maleh: Good morning, Kevin.
Good morning, Kevin.
Kevin Steinke: I wanted to start out by talking about the energy practice. You spent quite a bit of time in your prepared remarks talking about the demand drivers there. So you know I assume you're adding headcount there, but you know any plans or thoughts of scaling that practice even more given the demand drivers, you know perhaps even through acquisitive or you know inorganic efforts?
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The energy practice.
You spent.
Quite a bit of time in your prepared remarks talking about the demand drivers there.
So.
I assume you're adding head count there but.
Any plans or thoughts of scaling that practice, even more given the demand drivers.
Perhaps even through.
Acquisitive or.
Organic efforts.
Paul Maleh: Sure. What the energy practice has been doing over the last couple of years has really been remarkable. A lot of credit goes to the leadership group within our energy practice. They're doing it with a lot of grassroots effort, looking to supplement the skill sets they have through senior hires, looking through the promotion of internal candidates. So all of this has been through the hard work of Jim McMahon and the broader leadership group and the practice. With respect to larger inorganic opportunities, we continue to look, but we are not going to take on any kind of larger acquisition unless it fits nicely with the long-term strategic goals of the practice. We're not chasing revenue, and we're not chasing profits there. We want to chase strategic fit. And thus far, we haven't found the perfect match, but we continue to look.
Sure.
The energy practice has been doing over the last couple of years has really been.
Remarkable a lot of credit goes to the leadership group.
Within our energy practice Theyre doing it.
With a lot of grassroots effort looking to supplement the skill sets they have.
Through senior hires looking through the promotion of internal candidates.
So all of this has been through the hard work.
Jim Mcmahon and the broader leadership group and the practice with respect to larger inorganic opportunities we continue to look.
But we are not going to take on any kind of larger acquisition unless it fits.
Nicely with the long term strategic goals of the practice, we're not chasing revenue.
And we're not chasing profits there.
Want to chase strategic fit and thus far we haven't found the perfect match, but we continue to look I would love to be able to invest even more dollars in.
Paul Maleh: I would love to be able to invest even more dollars in the practice, but they're doing a pretty remarkable job with the investments that they've enjoyed to date.
In the practice, but they're doing a pretty remarkable job with the investments they've enjoyed to date.
Kevin Steinke: Okay. Yeah, makes sense. Great. So just curious about the management appointments you talked about, and specifically the creation of that Chief Strategy and Business Transformation Officer role. You know, what's the need you see there for that position and maybe what you hope to accomplish through that appointment?
Okay, Yes, it makes sense right.
So just curious about the.
The management.
Appointment you talked about specifically.
The creation of that chief strategy and business transformation officer role.
Yes.
What's the need you see there for the acquisition and maybe what you hope to accomplish.
That appointment.
Paul Maleh: Sure. I'm really excited on the press release that we issued last week about these promotions. That press release follows a pretty comprehensive search that CRA conducted, reviewing internal candidates, reviewing external candidates, and the promotion of Eric, Brian, and Sandy, we feel provides the highest value add for our colleagues, our clients, and the shareholders alike. Across all of these promotions, what we're trying to do is we're trying to raise the value of the services that corporate is providing to our consulting colleagues. So with that, I'm asking Eric, I'm asking Brian to shift more of their focus to higher-value strategic initiatives that the practices have underway and having corporate see in what areas we can help either funding or expedite these initiatives.
Sure.
I'm really excited on the press release that we issued.
Last week about these promotions that press release follows a pretty comprehensive search.
That CRA conducted.
Reviewing internal candidates reviewing external candidates and the promotion of Eric Bryan and Sandy.
We feel provides the highest value add for our colleagues our clients and shareholders alike.
Across all of these promotions what we're trying to do is we're trying to raise the value of the services that corporate is providing to our consulting colleagues.
So with that I'm, asking Eric I'm asking Brian.
To shift more of their focus.
Two higher value strategic initiatives that the practices have underway and having corporate.
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Paul Maleh: So it's just more the continued evolution of CRA's growth and prosperity that we're just shifting a lot of the corporate focus to higher value-added strategic initiatives. I've been working with Brian Langan for about 20 years, and to no surprise, many of the services that we're asking Brian to do going forward, he has already been doing for the last several years. And serving as the operations director of the competition practice, a unit that makes up roughly 45% of the entity, is no small feat in and of itself. So really excited about all three promotions and the value they can provide to CRA.
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For about 20 years and to no surprise many of the services that we're asking Brian to do going forward. He has already been doing for the last several years.
And serving as the operations director of the competition practice.
Unit that makes up roughly 45% of the entity is no small feat in of itself. So really excited about all three promotions.
And the value they can provide to CRA.
Kevin Steinke: Okay. Great. And on the hiring front, the new people you're bringing in from college campuses, you mentioned bringing in over 100 recent college graduates in the coming months. Would you characterize that as a fairly typical class or a little larger or smaller? I'm just kind of wondering how that relates to your, you know, obviously, overall demand trends of the business and your view and your need to continue staffing up.
Okay great.
On the.
The hiring front.
The new people, you're bringing in from the from college campuses.
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Recent college graduates.
In the coming months.
Would you characterize that as fairly typical.
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Obviously overall demand trends of the business in your view when you do too.
To continue staffing up.
Paul Maleh: Sure. We enjoyed a really successful on-campus recruiting season that began in the fall of 2024, and we are welcoming those individuals now in the summer of 2025. So I think it was pretty typical of what we normally do. We've been receiving a lot of questions about headcount just because in aggregate, headcount seems to be relatively flat. That doesn't mean that we are not hiring and investing for growth. As we do with our portfolio, we always are planting seeds of growth, trying to invest in areas that we see are gaining traction, and then also trying to redeploy investments that are maybe struggling to gain traction. So there's many practices that are growing heads, and there's some that aren't enjoying as much success currently in the market that we are slower in increasing their headcount. So net-net, you're seeing a flat headcount.
Sure we enjoyed a really successful on campus recruiting season that began in the.
In the fall of 2024, and we are welcoming.
Those individuals' now in the summer of 2025, So I think it was pretty typical of what we normally do.
We've been receiving a lot of questions about head count just because in aggregate head count seems to be relatively flat.
That doesn't mean that we are not hiring and investing for growth as we do with our portfolio. We are always are planting seeds of growth trying to invest in areas that we see are gaining traction and then also trying to redeploy.
Investments that are maybe struggling to gain traction so theres many practices that are growing.
Growing heads and Theres, some that arent enjoying as much success currently in the market that we are slower and increasing their head count So net net youre seeing a flat.
Paul Maleh: But as the utilization has picked up, and as you see with really healthy revenue growth, it does not mean that CRA has gone into any kind of profit maximization mode. Our goal is still to maximize long-term value per share, and the practices that are able to benefit from headcount expansion are getting it. And a great example are these four practices or five practices that we highlighted that grew double-digit. All of them are expanding on their heads.
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Head count, but as the utilization has picked up and as you see with really healthy revenue growth. It does not mean that CRA has gone into any kind of profit maximization mode.
Our goal is still to maximize long term value per share and the practices that are able to benefit from head count expansion are getting it.
Great example is our.
These four practices or five practices that we highlighted that grew double digits all of them are expanding on their heads.
Kevin Steinke: All right. Yeah. Thanks for the commentary. I will turn it back over.
Alright. Thanks, Thanks for the commentary I will turn it back over.
Paul Maleh: Thank you, Kevin.
Thank you Kevin.
Operator: Our next question comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.
Our next question comes from Andrew Nicholas with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.
Andrew Nicholas: Hi. Good morning. Appreciate you taking the question.
Hi, good morning.
Kevin Steinke: Good morning.
I appreciate your question.
Andrew Nicholas: A lot of my questions have been asked and answered, so I'll just maybe leave it to one multi-partner on the antitrust business. I guess first, curious if you're seeing any kind of major divergence in terms of growth or performance between the M&A-related and non-M&A-related work within antitrust. And then second, if you could provide an update on talent retention and kind of recruiting conditions in that business specifically. Thanks, Paul.
A lot of my questions have been asked and answered so I'll just maybe leave it to one multi partner on the antitrust business I guess first curious if youre seeing any kind of major divergence in terms of growth are performing which mean the M&A related.
And non M&A related work within antitrust and then second maybe you could provide an update on talent retention and recruiting conditions in that business specifically thanks Paul.
Paul Maleh: Sure. I think what I would start with is many of the merger matters that the antitrust competition economics practice is being retained on, many of the antitrust matters that it's being retained on are very long-lived projects. So the incremental addition of projects in a given year is sometimes not indicative of maybe the larger trend or the performance of the firm. But our matters that existed prior to Q2 continue to generate benefits for the firm and keep large portions of the practice busy. The practice is also taking in both new merger matters and new antitrust enforcement matters. So to date, we haven't seen any kind of dramatic shift in the mix or the productivity of that business unit. With respect to headcount additions or subtractions, it's been relatively stable.
Sure.
I think.
What I would start with is many of the merger matters that the antitrust competition economics practice is being retained on many of the anti trust matters that it's being retained on our very long lived projects. So the incremental addition of projects.
In a given year.
It's sometimes not indicative of maybe the larger trend or the performance of the firm, but our matters that existed prior to Q2 continue to generate benefits for the firm and keeping large portions of the practice busy.
Practices also taking in both new merger matters and new antitrust enforcement matters.
To date, we haven't seen any kind of.
Dramatic shift.
The mix or the.
The productivity of that business unit.
With respect to head count additions.
Ben or subtraction.
Subtraction.
Paul Maleh: You know, as we've talked about numerous times, not just because of the recent activity in our marketplace, but if you strive to be a first-rate organization and provide high-value-added services, guess what? Your people are always going to be recruited by your competitors in the marketplace. And Q1 and Q2 are no different. So our individuals always have opportunities and alternatives. And it's then our job as a corporation to make sure the environment is exciting and rewarding enough for them to elect to stay here. It's not because we are paying more money. Money is clearly an important component to being competitive in the marketplace. But this is a state of the world that we've grown quite accustomed to it.
Been relatively stable.
As we've talked about numerous times not just because of the recent.
Activity in our marketplace, but.
If you strive to be.
A.
First rate organization and provide.
High value added services guess, what your people are always going to be recruited.
By your competitors in the marketplace in Q1, and Q2 are is no different.
So our individuals' are always have opportunities and alternatives.
And then our job is.
As a corporation to make sure the environment is exciting and rewarding enough for them to elect to stay here, it's not because we are paying more money.
Money is.
Clearly an important component to being competitive in the marketplace, but this is a state of the world that we've grown quite accustomed to it.
Paul Maleh: I still do not like losing any colleagues to a competitor, but it is not something that we've had to deal with on any large-scale basis in the past and during Q1 and Q2.
Still do.
Like losing any colleagues to a competitor, but it is not something.
That we've had to deal with on any large scale basis in the past and during Q1 and Q2.
Andrew Nicholas: Thank you.
Thank you.
Paul Maleh: Great. Thank you, Andrew.
Great. Thank you Andrew.
Operator: We have reached the end of the question and answer session. At this point, I'd like to turn the call back over to Paul Maley for closing comments.
We have reached again a question and answer session at this point I'd like to turn the call back over to Paul O'malley for closing comments.
Paul Maleh: Thank you, Rob. And again, thanks to everyone for joining us today. We appreciate your time and interest in CRA. We'll be participating in meetings with investors in the coming months, and we look forward to updating you on our progress on our third-quarter call. With that, that concludes today's call. Thank you.
Thank you, Rob and again, thanks to everyone for joining US today. We appreciate your time and interest in CRA, we will be participating in meetings with investors in the coming months and we look forward to updating you on our progress on our on our third quarter call.
With that that concludes today's call. Thank you.
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