Q2 2025 loanDepot Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good afternoon. And welcome to loanDepot's second quarter 2025 earnings call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session.
Speaker #3: If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, followed the number one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, again, press the star and one.
Speaker #3: I would now like to turn the call over to Gerhard Erdelji, senior vice president investor relations. Please go head.
Speaker #4: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining our second quarter 2025 earnings call. Before we we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may include forward-looking statements regarding the company's operating and financial performance in future periods.
Speaker #4: All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking statements. Including but not limited to guidance to our pull-through weighted rate lock volume, origination volume, pull-through weighted gain on sale margin, strategies, capabilities, and financial performance.
Speaker #4: These statements are based on the company's current expectations and available information. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to their risks or other factors that are described in the risk factors section of our filings with the SEC.
Speaker #4: Our presentation today contains certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe provide additional insight into analyzing and benchmarking the performance and value of our business and facilitating company-to-company operating performance comparisons.
Speaker #4: For more details on these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, please refer to today's earnings release, which is available on our website at investors.loandepot.com.
Speaker #4: A webcast and a transcript of this call will be posted on our website after the conclusion of this call. On today's call, we have loanDepot's founder and chief executive officer, Anthony Hsieh, and chief financial officer, David Hayes.
Speaker #4: They will provide an overview of our quarter as well as our financial and operational results and outlook. We are also joined by chief investment officer, Jeff DeGurean, and LDI mortgage president, Jeff Walsh, to help answer your questions after our prepared remarks.
Speaker #4: And with that, I'll turn things to Anthony to get us started. Anthony?
Speaker #5: Well, thank you, Gerhard. I appreciate everyone joining us on the call today. I'm thrilled. To take the helm of the company that I along with so many members of the team built from the ground up.
Speaker #5: My immediate focus is to return to our roots and drive profitable market share growth and technology-powered efficiency. With the goal of returning to profitability.
Speaker #5: Before we dive in, I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge LDI mortgage president, Jeff Walsh. We have decided to retire from loanDepot.
Speaker #5: His last day with the company will be September 5th. Over the last 12 years, Jeff has played a major role in the growth of the company.
Speaker #5: Most recently, leading our production channels. He's deeply admired by our alespeople and respected by everyone who's had the opportunity to work with him. On behalf of the company, I want thank Jeff for everything he's done to propel our company forward and wish him many wonderful adventures in the next chapter of his life.
Speaker #5: LoanDepot has what I consider to be a truly unique set of assets. Including our brand and marketing muscle, our servicing portfolio, our tech stack, and of course, our diversified multi-channel origination strategy.
Speaker #5: I'd like focus for a moment on our direct lending channel, which has one of the few technology-powered at-scale models in the industry. Is the asset that powers our flywheel effect and creates a significant strategic advantage for us.
Speaker #5: It starts with our nationally recognized brand, and marketing prowess at the top of the funnel, where we directly engage with our ustomers and quickly drive leads to our highly skilled salesforce: our nationwide reach and our broad suite of products allow us to serve every aspect of the customer's financing needs.
Speaker #5: By retaining much of the servicing for the loans we originate, we not only create another consistent source of revenue for the company, but we continue to directly interact with our ustomers.
Speaker #5: Strengthening our brand awareness and cementing their loyalty through exceptional customer care. It is this ongoing interaction with our customers, coupled with our advanced data analytics, that allows us to capture customers for refinancing when interest rates change or new purchase mortgages as our housing needs change.
Speaker #5: All of what I just described results in high customer satisfaction and increased brand affinity. Which drives our top-tier recapture rates. This flywheel of powerful marketing driving customer leads to our salespeople, providing them with a superior customer experience throughout their homeownership journey, and creating opportunities to refinance them at no additional customer acquisition cost.
Speaker #5: Makes loanDepot the partner of choice for their homeownership needs. While driving profitability for the company. After spending the past five months digging deep into every aspect of the business, I know where my focus needs to be.
Speaker #5: Our industry is very large. But it is highly fragmented. And as one of the very few companies with a nationally recognized brand, I believe loanDepot has a strong foundation to increase lead generation and improve conversion rates and grow the top of the funnel.
Speaker #5: We need return to growth, gaining profitable market share, and penetrating new markets and that needs to be powered by new technology and operating efficiencies.
Speaker #5: All of which I believe will position us to once again disrupt and redefine the industry. To accelerate the company's digital transformation and our goal of returning to market leadership, this week we announced the addition of two mortgage technology trailblazers to our leadership team.
Speaker #5: Chief digital officer, Dominic Marchetti, is responsible for leading the company's overall digital transformation and strategy. Dom is someone that I trust deeply. Who has a proven track record of delivering next-generation capabilities and with whom I am completely aligned in how we think about the business.
Speaker #5: Among the many things that set him apart are his expansive knowledge and his incredible industry relationships, and his ability to harness technology and innovation to build and run an exceptional mortgage business.
Speaker #5: Chief innovation officer, Sean DeGulia, is responsible for driving innovation throughout the loan manufacturing process across all channels. With a strong focus on the top of the funnel, there are very few who match the type of mortgage IQ Sean has.
Speaker #5: Namely, deep competitive knowledge. Big picture thinker, combined with top-tier coding talent and first-hand experience as an originator. These two brilliant and proven technology leaders bring a deep understanding of both the loan manufacturing process and the competitive landscape.
Speaker #5: And are trusted leaders who know how to build, inspire, and deliver I return to the operating team on March 7th. Became interim CEO on June 4th.
Speaker #5: And was appointed by the board as Herman's CEO on July 27th. Since March, several initiatives are already in flight that move towards our goals of profitable market share growth, technology-driven operating efficiencies, and our return to profitability.
Speaker #5: I look forward to sharing our progress again next quarter. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dave, who will take us through our financial results in more detail.
Speaker #5: Dave?
Speaker #6: Thanks, Anthony. And good afternoon, everyone. The second quarter reflected the benefits of higher adjusted revenue and lower costs. We reported an adjusted net loss of $16 million in the second quarter compared to an adjusted net loss of $25 million in the first quarter of 2025, due primarily to higher lock volume and lower expenses.
Speaker #6: During the second quarter, pull-through weighted rate lock volume was 6.3 billion dollars, which represented a 17% increase from the prior quarter's volume of 5.4 billion dollars, and primarily reflected the seasonal increase in home buying activity.
Speaker #6: Pull-through weighted rate lock volume came in within the guidance we issued last quarter, of 5.5 billion dollars to 8 billion dollars. And contributed to adjusted total revenue of $292 million dollars, which compared to $278 million dollars in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #6: Our pull-through weighted gain on sale margin for the first quarter came in at $33 basis points, within our guidance range of 300 to 350 basis points, and compared to 355 basis points in the prior quarter.
Speaker #6: Our gain on sale margin primarily reflected a product mix and channel mix shift from the prior quarter. Our loan origination volume was 6.7 billion dollars for the quarter, an increase of 30% from the prior quarter's volume of 5.2 billion dollars.
Speaker #6: This was also within the guidance we issued last quarter of between 5 billion dollars and 7.5 billion dollars. Servicing fee income increased from 104 million dollars in the first quarter 2025 to 108 million dollars in the second quarter 2025, and primarily reflects the increase in our unpaid principal balance of our icing portfolio, and interest earned on the seasonal increase in custodial balances.
Speaker #6: We hedge our servicing portfolio, so we do not record the full impact of the changes in fair value and the results of the operations.
Speaker #6: We believe this strategy helps protect against volatility in our earnings and liquidity. Our strategy for hedging the servicing portfolio is dynamic, and we adjust our hedge positions in reaction to changing interest ate environments.
Speaker #6: Our total expenses for the second quarter of 2025 decreased by $5 million, or 2%, from the prior quarter. The primary drivers of the decrease were two one-time benefits in salary and general and administrative expenses.
Speaker #6: Salaries were down primarily on lower stock-based compensation from equity surrenders, and G&A was down primarily due to proceeds and insurance recovery of legal fees related to the successful outcome of litigation.
Speaker #6: Direct origination expenses were down 7% during the quarter, despite a 30% increase in origination volume, which benefited from renegotiated vendor contracts and loan origination process improvements.
Speaker #6: Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect pull-through weighted lock volume of between 5.25 billion dollars and 7.25 billion dollars, and origination volume of between 5 billion dollars and 7 billion dollars.
Speaker #6: We expect our third quarter pull-through weighted gain on sale margin to be between 325 and 350 basis points. Our guidance reflects recent market volatility, high mortgage interest rates, and affordability of new and resale homes.
Speaker #6: Our total expenses are expected to increase in the third quarter, primarily driven by higher non-volume-related expenses, from the exclusion the one-time benefits recognized during the second quarter, the increase during the third quarter's expected to be partially offset by lower volume-related expenses.
Speaker #6: We remain laser-focused on our commitment to profitability, and continue to work with disciplined to grow revenue and manage costs, while maintaining ample cash and strong balance sheet.
Speaker #6: We ended the quarter with 409 million dollars in cash, increasing by 37 million dollars since the first quarter. With Anthony's energy and focused discipline, we believe our multi-channel strategy, high-quality in-house servicing, scalable origination capabilities, and operating leverage uniquely position us to profitably grow volume and market share in the current environment.
Speaker #6: We believe a sustained decrease in mortgage rates will materially improve our bottom line as the benefits of our scaled, branded direct origination platform come to bear while our estments in tech-enabled, efficiency-generating initiatives will provide the foundation for additional momentum during the remainder of 2025 and beyond.
Speaker #6: With that, we're ready to turn it back over to the operator for Q&A. Operator?
Speaker #3: At this time, I would ike to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press the star then number one on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #3: Your first question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS, your line is open.
Speaker #7: thanks. you know, I guess, just to, to drill into it, Anthony, on, on the, you know, kind of profitable growth, what are some of the steps that ou think you need to take, to, to kind of, be le to drive that market share growth?
Speaker #7: Is that kind of adding headcount? Is that adding marketing dollars? You know, kind of how should think about, you know, the investment that might be needed to, to drive that growth?
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure, Doug. Nice to speak with you again. So, you know, there are multiple verticals that we're working on. the most important is we must achieve scale.
Speaker #5: The company, unfortunately, our market share over the last few years has, has shrunk. And as a of that, we lost some scale. So you need your variable cost to kick in so that it can carry your fixed cost.
Speaker #5: So, you know, that is the first order of business. Number two is you must utilize technology to increase your efficiency during the loan process.
Speaker #5: That is both short-term and long-term focused. With Dom and Sean, coming back into the organization, it really is a wonderful opportunity for the company to pick up knowledge from two individuals that have a very diverse wide and vast and contemporary look at the industry today.
Speaker #5: And the type of efficiencies that we can create not only instant improvements as well as longer-term journeys that would return us to best-in-class efficiency.
Speaker #5: Because we have our direct lending channel, that allows us to scale rapidly during any sort of a market rally. Because we control the leads and not necessarily through other channels where you're relying on, infield loan officers.
Speaker #5: So our order is to be prepared so that not only are we able to scale up in today's market, to fight for additional market share, but to be opportunistic when the market decides to have lower rates which will no doubt boom from a refinance market.
Speaker #5: It's not gonna take much, because rates have been high now for three years. So lots of equity, lots of debt, and there's a lot of opportunities for us to, h, refinance that customer.
Speaker #7: It's just one, one follow-up on that, Anthony. Just, you know, how are you balancing, you know, ind of that positioning for, for scale with, you know, and, and, you know, pro driving profitable growth with, with kind of the, the current debt load and, kind of the need to, to kind , or, preserve equity capital to, you know, and kind of how are you balancing that near-term profitability with, with kind of wanting to, to kind of make those investments for growth?
Speaker #5: Doug, if you look at the way that we are structured as an organization, our strategy, is certainly we have our servicing business that's very stable and predictable.
Speaker #5: Our joint venture business with large builders, home builders, that is very stable and predictable. And you look at our end market, loan officers, which primarily focuses on purchases and we have seen steady growth in that area.
Speaker #5: And we look to enhance that growth going forward. which is the purchase market. On our direct lending business, our market share in refinances and second mortgages particularly is fairly low.
Speaker #5: So the target in our ability and our opportunity to grow into that market is significantly high. So it is an area that we're expertise in, it is an area that we've been involved in for a long period of time.
Speaker #5: There are very, very few scaled direct lending or direct-to-consumer shops that are out there today. That is our immediate opportunity. That's an area that we have done in the past, Doug.
Speaker #5: We've grown the company as a startup from 2010. To the number two retail lender inside of 11 years. And we did that profitably while we grew market share and markets that shrunk and, and markets that boomed.
Speaker #5: So it is not, it's not something that we haven't done before. But obviously, we need to be very, very cautious, particularly understanding some of the tools that we have available today while we continue to enhance our technology tools.
Speaker #7: Great. I appreciate the insights, and good to k to you again, Anthony.
Speaker #5: Yeah, likewise.
Speaker #3: Again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause for a moment for any additional questions to enter the queue.
Speaker #3: And there are no further questions at this time. Anthony Hsieh, I turn the call back over to you.
Speaker #5: Thank you. On behalf of Dave, Gerhard, Jeff Walsh, Jeff DeGurean, and the rest of our team, I want to thank you for joining us today.
Speaker #5: Our company is special. Comprised of a unique set of assets as we turn our focus to once again be the industry leader in innovative technology tools, powered by the emergence of AI-driven operating efficiency, we will return to competing at the highest levels.
Speaker #5: So thanks again, everybody, and I appreciate your support.
Speaker #3: This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.