Q2 2025 Astronics Corp Earnings Call
Greetings and welcome to the Astronics Corporation second quarter, fiscal year 2025 financial results call.
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Debbie poysky investor of investor relations for astronics. Please go ahead.
good afternoon, we appreciate your time today and your interest in astronics
Joining me here are Pete gunman our chairman president CEO and Nancy Hedges. Our Chief Financial Officer.
our second quarter results crossed the wires after the market closed today, and you can find that release on our website at astronomics.com
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During today's call, we'll also discuss some non-gaap measures which we believe will be useful. In evaluating our performance, you should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results. Prepared in accordance with gaap.
We have provided, reconciliations of non-gaap measures with comparable. Gaap measures in the tables that accompany today's release.
So, with that, I will turn it over to Pete to begin Peter.
Hello everybody, and welcome to the call. I'll open
the call with my comments on the second quarter, which had a number of puts and takes,
But also showed consistent progress towards improved performance for the business, which has been our goal as we work our way through 2025.
I'll then turn it to Nancy to cover the details.
And later I'll talk about our strengthened outlook for the remainder of the year.
Sales for the quarter were just under 205 million.
First quarter and up 3.3% from the second quarter of 2024.
This was driven by record sales for our Aerospace segment which compensated for lower test segment sales.
test sales were low due to a 6.4 million adjustment driven by our ongoing program review process
Which has caused us to re-evaluate our financial position on a few programs.
Your today sales are 411 million up 7.2% from 383 Million last year. So our sales momentum remains solid
Our margins continue to make progress also driven by the success of our Aerospace segment.
We had adjusted ebita of 25.4 million or 12.4% of sales in the quarter.
On a rolling 12-month basis, adjusted as we calculated, it has been 114.7 million. This is up from 71 million for the previous 12-month period, so we have continued to make pretty good progress.
Second quarter bookings, were on the light side at 177 million for a book to Bill of 086.
Primarily as a result of timing, followed a following a record level of bookings in the first quarter.
Market demand for our products remains strong, our book to bill for the first half of 2025 is positive at 1.11 and for the last 12 months, also it's positive at 1.02.
So while our Revenue have been ramping over recent periods, are bookings. Have been keeping up just fine.
Which is a good indication of continued strength, going forward.
Our quarter results were colored by some large and unusual adjustments. Resulting from The Business Review. We described in our first quarter call
That review, as I mentioned a minute ago, let us to a 6.8 million EAC related adjustment in our test segment.
the EAC charge is the level set certain long-term development contracts in our Transit business specifically,
Our review concluded that we are not as far along on the programs as we thought, leading to the reset.
Our work is being verified currently by an outside consultant firm hired to help us Implement Management Systems to minimize any recurrences in the future.
Our program review also led us to step away from a couple of Aerospace segment product lines, that we have concluded our non-core to our future.
This simplification initiative resulted in 6.2 million of restructuring charges in the Aerospace segment. These product lines have proven to be low growth and low margin and the charges relate to write Downs of inventory on certain facility assets.
These 2 product lines, which include satellite antennas and contract, engineering, and Manufacturing. Programs are expected to contribute sales of only 4 to 8 million.
In all of 2025.
We expect the exit, a couple of facilities related to these actions over the next 12 to 18 months.
As an aside including these 2 facilities, we've closed 8 facilities in recent years, significantly reducing our footprint and simplifying our organization.
The contract engineering and Manufacturing initiative is 1 that we entered into In the Heat of the pandemic to leverage some manufacturing space and engineering resources that were underutilized at the time.
Over time we found the program. Risks were too high and the resulting margins did not justify the effort.
The discontinuation of any further, development of our satellite antenna product line, which has been focused on large business Jets and Commercial transports. Operating with giauque satellite constellations, was the result of having a low market share and recognition that conditions have slowed as customers contemplate, emerging low, earth, orbit constellations.
We decided that the investment in developing new antennas specific to either the Leo, and, or Geo Market, would be too risky. To justify the required Financial investment.
But to be clear, the antenna decision does not mean we are walking away from LEO as a technology.
Works as they are to go and to air to ground atg topologies.
The market is in a state of flux. Currently, as customers consider the merits of the competing Technologies, but we are optimistic, that we will be able to create value in the emerging Leo world as we have in the past with Geo and atg
We made a small acquisition in our Aerospace segment at the beginning of the third quarter.
Envoy Aerospace is an Oda which stands for organizational designation Authority.
Oda is a program in which the FAA grants certification approval authority to outside organizations, through which the FAA extends its capacity and reach. We believe that having an Oda will be a competitive differentiator, as we are often involved in aircraft retrofit programs, and FAA certification is becoming a more important capability in competitive situations.
Having certification Authority lessons program and schedule risk for both us and our customers.
Envoy has sales of about 8 million and will report through our astronics CSC operation.
I'll turn it over to Nancy now to cover segment results and other details relating to our second quarter results. Nancy
thanks Pete.
I'll review the key drivers and other impacts to our consolidated Q2 performance, and then touch on segment-level results.
As Pete, noted Revenue in the second quarter, grew 3% over the prior year period and was in line with the trailing first quarter. This was despite the 6.4 million impact to revenue of the adjustment to the estimated cost of completion of certain test systems projects.
Growth was driven by record quarterly Aerospace sales.
Operating profit and margins were reflected. The $6.9 million total P&L impact associated with the EAC adjustments and $6.2 million in costs for footprint rationalization and the portfolio reshaping that Pete discussed.
Additionally, as part of a further follow-up, Hearing in the latter part of May, with respect to the UK patent dispute, we were ordered to make a partial reimbursement of the plaintiff's, legal fees associated. With the damages phase amounting to 3.5 million.
This is partially offset by a 1.7 million dollar reduction, in legal fees, and a reduction of R&D expense in the amount of 2.6 million due to project timing.
On an adjusted basis, gross margin expanded 120. Basis points over the prior year to 29.2% and operating margin expanded 250 basis points to 8.9%.
Adjusted. He betta was 25.4 million or 12.4% of sales up from 10.2% last year, primarily reflecting improved profitability from higher volume and increasing productivity in the Aerospace segment.
as a reminder, we did not add back the EAC impact in our adjustments and it had a 2.9 Point, negative impact to our adjusted, bit dot margin,
interest expense declined, 47% year-over-year to 3.1 million in the quarter, reflecting our successful refinancing last November of the prior Term Loan and the abl
The lower interest rate on our convertible. Debt provides meaningful Savings. In both, interest in reduced cash, payouts and provides a solid. Liquidity cushion.
Gap earnings per share was unchanged year-over-year at 4 cents.
Non-gaap adjusted EPS for the quarter was 38 cents, nearly double the 20 cents from the prior year period.
Turning to our segment level results.
Our Aerospace, segment delivered. Another quarterly sales record of 193.6 million a 9% increase year-over-year.
Sales was the primary driver and was up. 13% driven by continued strength, in Cabin, power, and in-flight entertainment and connectivity products. Military sales were also strong increasing, 11% driven by increased demand for lighting and Safety products.
Operating profit and Aerospace was impacted by the portfolio. Realignment, previously, discussed.
Adjusted Aerospace. Operating profit was 31.5 million in the quarter compared with 23.5 million a year ago.
And on an adjusted basis Aerospace achieved. 48% operating leverage on the higher volume.
Adjusted operating margin improved by 300 basis points year-over-year to 16.3%.
Turning to the test segment, as we discussed on our last call, the test business, was expected to be weak in the quarter. But the EAC adjustment further, deteriorated the results.
Reflect the most recent estimates for completion, which lowered the percentage of work completed, which reduced Revenue by 6.4 million.
We reported and adjusted operating loss of 6.6 million in the test business.
Again, we did not adjust for the impact of the EAC change, which was 6.9 million on operating income, including about a $500,000 loss, Reserve that's reflected in cost of goods sold.
These adjustments mask, the positive impact of approximately 5 million dollars in annual life cost savings. That started to flow through in the quarter.
We expect these benefits will be more visible in the second half of the year.
Stronger test, bookings in the quarter, included a follow on order under the radio test programs for the Marines.
The US Army Radio test program, apparently requires another level of process within the army that we have to wait for them to complete.
We expect this process will push the program out 6, to 8 weeks and still hope to see a production order before the end of the year.
We use 7.6 million in cash from operations as expected. This reflected the 21.6 million in payments related to the UK patent dispute for damages interest and the legal fee reimbursements and 12 million in income tax payments.
this was a 9.5 million increase over last year's second quarter income tax payments and included the full year Federal payment for 20124 as well as the resumption of quarterly estimated Federal payments given our improved liquidity
With those large payments behind us, we expect to generate solid operating cash flow in the second half of the year.
We finished the quarter with 13.5 million in cash and factoring in the liquidity blocks, approximately 178 million of availability under our abl facility.
This resulted in about 191 million in total liquidity at quarter end.
We're currently undrawn on our revolver and expect the cash from operations can fund the business in the near term.
Our healthy balance sheet provides flexibility to consider value creating initiatives including Acquisitions and share repurchases.
We can continue to advance on our financing structure as well.
As profitability continues to improve, we will evaluate a transition to a cash flow based revolver which is left restrictive and eliminates, the current liquidity blocks.
We may evaluate other options as well especially given the positive progression of our operational performance solid visibility into future demand, and the related stock price Improvement.
Capital expenditures in the quarter remained low at 4.7 million and our 6.7 million for the first half of 2025.
We continue to expect a much higher level of capex for the full year and are now forecasting spend to be in the range of $40 million to $50 million.
We have advanced on the project for the facility consolidation and capacity expansion for our electrical power and motion products in Redmond Washington. And expect that spend to measurably step up in the second half of 2025.
I should note that even with the elevated capex spend in the second half we are projecting positive free, cash flow.
On the Tariff front, the changes enacted in recent weeks result in an impact to our cost of about 15 to 20 million dollars.
We Believe mitigation efforts can reduce these costs by at least half.
While price adjustments are already being pursued. Now, that the situation is stable stabilized to some degree. We can consider other mitigation actions like free trade zones, Duty, drawbacks and bonded warehouses. In addition to evaluating our supply chain options.
Other actions we have taken with the business to drive profitability will help to offset the Tariff impact as well.
Overall, we're pleased with the strong first half.
We expect with the resilient strengthening of underlying performance. Trends in our core Aerospace business and expected improvements in test systems, we will have an even stronger. Second half of 2025,
We remain focused on disciplined Capital allocation productivity to drive further margin expansion. Accelerating our working capital turns
free cash flow generation and consistently executing on continuous Improvement.
And with that, let me turn it back to Pete.
As Nancy said, we are expecting a strong second. Half to 2025, our Aerospace. Business will continue to enjoy the strong Tailwind prevalent in the industry.
Including increasing passenger traffic. Aircraft utilization aircraft, build rates.
And the increase in adoption of modern, passenger entertainment, and connectivity systems.
we also expect solid improvement in our test business based on strong Recent Bookings and the EAC adjustments we have just taken
Could possibly double the total from the first half.
Even with the possibility that the production start of our US Army Radio test program known as 4549 T May slide into 2026.
Given all this, we are increasing our 2025 revenue guidance to $840 million to $860 million, up from $820 million to $860 million, an increase of $10 million. At the midpoint,
The midpoint of 850 million would represent an increase of 6.9%.
Sales year-over-year.
We expect the third quarter to be up marginally from the pace of the first half.
With the fourth quarter of more substantially.
We expect, it will be a positive and exciting second half.
Setting up another positive year in 2026. And with that Kate, we'll open it up for questions.
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Thank you.
Our first question comes from the line of John.
101 Tang C with CJ. I'm sorry. CJs Securities. Please go ahead with your question.
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Um,
if you could first talk about the magnitude and and I guess the drivers overall of of the Aerospace from 19 that you seeing the allowing you to raise your Revenue guide and um maybe the test business as well. You know, where is that coming from? Um, you know, with the backdrop that you're exiting some businesses, you got the CAC impact, um, as well as push out of of the radio business. How many
Frame the size of all those things, um, that you have together.
Sure, it's a, it's a pretty comprehensive list of things actually, and the Aerospace side.
Uh, production rates, first of all, are a pretty big driver. We've got um, you know, 737 rates, going up, 8320, there's upward pressure, although supply chain problems.
7878350. Those are the 4 main ones that are
that are have increased or are expected to increase in the near future 737 to give you an idea,
Uh, we've been shipping somewhere in the neighborhood of uh, you know, low 20, mid 20, ship sets per month.
and uh most recently stepping up to the low 30s and we are on a Glide path to step up again to like
Uh, high 30s and even up to the low 40s potentially by the end of the year, if Boeing gets permission to go there.
Um so so that's a that's a big driver as we look forward. Uh, beyond that we have a program that we've announced
Uh, with uh, the Airbus a220.
Um, up in Montreal.
Uh, that, uh, that should be a pretty big driver as we move through 2026. So that's
A positive picture in General on the military aircraft side. You notice some pretty big growth there.
Uh, 1 of the drivers is our engineering development, work year-over-year with FLA.
Uh, which uh, shows signs of, uh accelerating. Um, it's a little early to talk about that, but there's demand from the US Army, customer to move that in sooner rather than later.
And uh, and on our test side, you know, the the big drivers are. Um, the programs we've talked about uh, quite a bit here, uh including primarily the 45 49t program for the US Army. We were making a lot of progress on that program. We think it's a very healthy program going forward.
um, the unfortunate situation there is that the, our customer at the US Army has
Uh, been delayed by a DoD requirement for a certain health and safety.
Um, analysis that needs to be completed. This is something that the DOD completes. It's nothing that we do.
Uh, that's the thing that may push us.
From starting a production phase out of the fourth quarter into the first quarter.
uh, but even with that, um, we think that our test business
is lined up for a pretty strong Improvement in Revenue in the second half of the year, including in the current quarter uh compared to what it did in the first half.
So, I don't know if that answers your question, John. It's it's kind of a
uh,
it's a it's a long list of
Tailwinds really are pushing us in our activity level. Um,
You know, perhaps even higher than what our financials show. I mean, we're we're turning in a quarter of 204 million after the EAC reduction,
as a matter of activity, you can imagine what it was like with the without the EAC reduction and then we'd be within spitting distance of an all-time record high.
Uh, with revenue for the company and the quarter.
No that that that's very helpful. Thanks Pete. Um, can you talk maybe about? Just what you expect on the margin for the year. Um you know, you got the EAC, I don't know if you can make that up in the in the back half. Um, you've got tariffs additional tariffs coming in, um, just help us think of of the, the, you know, margin expectation. You have exiting the year.
Um, the margin the Tariff situation. I feel is still a little bit hard to predict. Um, you know, we we've kind of got through the August deadlines at the Trump Administration throughout there for everybody but they're relatively new and there's a lot of
Expectation, that the rates may adjust a little bit to give you some color, on our tariff situation. Uh, almost half of the Tariff burden comes from a single country. Um, Malaysia.
Malaysia. Got a 19% tariff.
Which is consistent with what a lot of other countries in the region. Got
but what we Source from Malaysia is relatively, um,
Resourceful I guess I don't know if that's a word but you can Source it from other places. It's nothing all that critical. Uh you know that we're locked into Malaysia, another quarter of our total tariff load, basically comes from China.
That's harder to move.
Um, and there are China, you know, China negotiations are ongoing. Uh we don't really know where those are going to end up yet.
so I Nancy talked a little bit about some of the
Uh, efforts or actions. We could take. And while we may see a tariff hit in the short term on the Malaysia front, anyway, I think we'll be able to bring those down if necessary.
By moving production or moving suppliers, or resourcing, uh, pretty easily. Um, the China part is too early to tell,
And then, of course, there are pricing opportunities and passing it on to customers. That's what everybody wants to do. The reality is nobody wants to pay tariffs, so how it all settles out. Uh, it's a little bit too early to tell but, um, looking back at the second quarter, I'm pretty happy with our continued Improvement to our Aerospace.
Margins are adjusted, operating margin, excluding those 2. Uh you know, portfolio shaping actions that we took
We're up around 16%.
Uh, which we think shows pretty good progress. And if we Nancy mentioned the 49% marginal contribution or contribution on marginal sales, I guess I should say.
And so, if we can achieve a continued ramp on the aerospace side, I think we're going to be in pretty good shape by the end of the year on our margins on that side of the business. The test business is harder to predict. We certainly hope that the EAC adjustment we took here is enough to carry us and get us through the programs that we're working on.
For some period of time. I don't think uh our test business is going to impress the world with margins in the second half of the year. But I'm hoping for an adjusted e bit uh level somewhere around, break even maybe small single digit positive.
Um, and you know, we're at this point, um, 85% 90% Aerospace. So, uh, the Aerospace business will drive the day when it comes to margins, at least for the foreseeable future until we get the radio test program going, which as again will most likely happen in 2026.
Just, a quick clarification is that is the tax impact that you, you guys outlined is that for the remainder of the year or that annualized, just, um, that's annualized based on historical purchasing patterns, with, with little, or no mitigation in place.
Got it. Thank you.
Sure.
Thank you. Our next question, comes from the line of Michael charmoli with true Securities. Please go ahead with your question.
Hey, uh, good evening guys. Thanks for taking the question. Hey, Pete. Just how are you just to put a finer point on the, the margin topic there within Aerospace you. You think, you could hold this kind of 16%, plus adjusted level? I mean, I know you just the, the Tariff impact was annualized that's didn't include any mitigation efforts, but did do you have pretty good line of sight into uh, Arrow margins, especially if you get some some further volume in in the fourth quarter?
Yeah, I think we're pretty comfortable with it again. Terrace are a little bit of an unknown at this point. So I'm kind of ignoring that for the moment, but
with marginal Contra or marginal further sales growth,
Uh, the other thing I didn't mention earlier is, you know, pricing increases that we've negotiated into certain of our contracts.
Are also helping us quite a bit on the margin front. They're coming through as we work our way through 2025.
And I think we'll see more of that as we go through the third quarter and the fourth quarter. So I don't view that adjusted level of 16% as a blip at all.
Um, except for the possible intact impact on of terrorists as we, uh, as we move forward.
Okay. On that pricing. I wanted to ask on that. Are you having success on on both the, uh,
Supplier, furnished and buyer, furnished. I mean, I guess are you, you haven't success pushing up price to Boeing and Airbus, as well as the airline customers
Uh it I we have been successful there. I think the whole world has realized that you know inflation has changed people's price cost structures and reality needs to set in. And and so we have been successful, we continue to be successful and I think more and more, we're pretty happy with our price levels compared to where we were say a year ago or a year and a half ago.
Okay, okay. Um, and I know you gave uh, some color on the the new build side of commercial Aerospace, any any color you could provide on what's Happening? Maybe with the, the aftermarket or kind of planned retrofits, from some of the, uh, the bigger carriers.
Uh, it continues to be a very good market for us. I mean, the production rate side of it is, is pretty easy to see. There are a lot of sources of information out there and, and, you know, we would concur that especially in the, in the Boeing side of things that that Improvement seems to be pretty evident and pretty persuasive the retrofit side continues to be a very positive place for us. Also, um, you know, I know you and I have have discussed this before, but we sit in a nice spot where Consumer Electronic life cycles, move on whether there's a pandemic or not and in order to keep up with those short and Consumer Electronic life cycles,
Certain updates uh are necessary and certain modifications are necessary and when Airlines do that, they generally do it across their Fleet.
Both with new build aircraft and with, uh, their existing Fleet.
So we're continuing to see pretty strong uh opportunities there. It really hasn't flown down, even with the shortage of capacity that's out there in the airline Fleet around the world. We're we're pretty pleased with how that's all going.
Okay good.
We're taking, you know, a lot of strategic actions which is great to see. I know, test is seemingly been a work in progress for, I don't know, 5, 10, 15 years? You've got the eac's, but you're, you're also bringing an outside consultant. I mean, are you, is there a thought process to to maybe more broadly, just evaluate strategic alternatives for the, the entire test segment and move to be just a pure play Aerospace company.
Um, we don't have any immediate actions in place along those lines. Frankly, we've got our head down trying to get through this difficult patch that we're in,
Uh, and we think we have line of sight towards improved performance. Um which too early to talk about 2026.
Expect that when we get to the end of the third quarter, and we start our budgeting process for the next year. Um, the outlook for our test business will be much better than it has been, or is now
Uh and at that point, you know, we may sit back and take a few deep breaths and figure out where we go from there. But at this point uh that is not an active discussion here. Okay, got it fair enough. I'll jump back in the queue. Thanks guys.
Thank you.
Thank you. This now, concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for closing comments.
Well, thank you all for tuning in to the call. Uh, we look forward to reporting again to the third quarter. When we presume, we will have a much cleaner quarter to talk about, thank you for your attention. Have a nice day.