Q2 2025 Ascent Industries Co Earnings Call
Speaker #3: Good afternoon and welcome to Ascent Industries' second quarter 2025 earnings call. Today's speakers are CEO CFO Ryan Kavalauskas, and the company's outside investor relations advisor, Ralf Esper.
Speaker #3: We'll begin with prepared remarks, followed by Q&A. Before we go further, I would like to turn the call over to Ralf Esper as he reads the company's safe harbor statement within the meaning of the private securities litigation reform act of 1995.
Speaker #3: That provides important cautions regarding forward-looking statements. Ralf?
Speaker #4: Thanks, Liz. Before we continue, I would like to remind all participants that the discussion today may contain certain forward-looking statements pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Federal Security Laws.
Speaker #4: These statements are based on information currently available to us and are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially.
Speaker #4: Ascent advises all of those listening this call to review the latest 10-Q and 10-K posted on its website. For a mary of these risks and uncertainties, Ascent does not undertake the responsibility to update any forward-looking discussion today may include non-GAAP measures.
Speaker #4: In accordance with regulation G, the company has reconciled these amounts back to the closest GAAP-based reconciliations can be found in the earnings press release issued earlier today and posted on the estor section of the company's website at www.ascentco.com.
Speaker #4: Please note that this call is available for replay via a webcast link that is also posted on the investor section of the company's website.
Speaker #4: Now, I would like to turn it over to our measurement. CEO, Brian Kitchen, to The walk you through the results and what's driving continued momentum.
Speaker #4: Brian?
Speaker #5: Thanks, alf. Q2 marked a defining milestone in Ascent's transformation. With a successful divestiture of both Bristol Metals and American Stainless Tubing, we've now fully exited all operating assets within the tubular segment.
Speaker #5: The only remaining drag is our idle tubular facility in Munhall, Pennsylvania. A $2.1 million annualized headwind to adjusted EBITDA. We're actively pursuing parallel paths to unlock that trap cash, and close this final chapter.
Speaker #5: Our portfolio is clean. Our focus is singular: Ascent is officially a pure-play specialty chemical company. Purpose-built to scale, generate durable margin, and deliver exceptional customer outcomes.
Speaker #5: But we didn't just restructure the portfolio. We put it to work. This quarter, we repurchased a retired nearly 6% of our standing shares. That's not symbolic.
Speaker #5: It's a statement of conviction. We believe in the long-term value of the platform we've built and we're backing it with decisive capital allocation. More importantly, we've ivered sequential improvements in revenue, gross profit, gross margin, and adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #5: A few highlights. Revenue increased $817,000 sequentially to $18.7 million. Though fell short of the 21.4 million prior year comp, largely due to broader market softness.
Speaker #5: Gross profit rose $1.8 million from Q1 and $2.1 million versus the same quarter last year. Gross margin expanded $26.1%, up $888 basis points. Sequentially, and $1,298 basis points.
Speaker #5: Year over year. Adjusted EBITDA increased $131,000 sequentially to a loss of $335,000 in the quarter but fell short of prior year by $53,000. And we achieved all of this despite absorbing $475,000 of Munhall-related cost in the quarter.
Speaker #5: Excluding the asset impairment on the right-of-use asset on the facility. These gains are not episodic. They're reflect discipline execution strategic focus, and a business model that's working.
Speaker #5: We're shifting mix to higher margin opportunities, managing costs with purpose, and turning commercial wins into real operating leverage. Our operations team continues to drive momentum, labor overhead, and production variances improved by more than 1.2 million year over year, while service levels hit all-time highs.
Speaker #5: Despite a more complex and more dynamic product mix. In Q2, our team developed process modifications that drove a 5% yield improvement across a targeted product basket.
Speaker #5: Unlocking a $250,000 in annualized gross profit, and a meaningful reduction in cycle times. Cash continuous improvement in action. Strategic sourcing remains a standout strength, consolidating vendors, qualifying new sources, and continuing to lower raw material costs without sacrificing reliability.
Speaker #5: As reported last quarter, roughly 95% of our revenue is supported by domestically produced raw materials, dramatically reducing our exposure to tariff volatility. And on the commercial side, momentum continues to build.
Speaker #5: In Q2, we secured over $3.1 million of annualized new revenue at a 29% gross margin. Well above historical averages. These wins spanned oil and gas, HI&I, pulp and paper, and case.
Speaker #5: All markets where our ue proposition continues to resonate. Roughly one-third of that growth came from product sales, two-thirds came from high-quality custom manufacturing engagements.
Speaker #5: Notably, 88% of those wins were expansion with existing accounts. Further proof that our model's earning trust and expanding share of wallet. This is where chemicals as a service comes to life.
Speaker #5: We're not just selling products. We're solving problems. We're creating formulations offering blending and packaging managing logistics and uring regulatory compliance and delivering it all with speed and precision.
Speaker #5: We do this across small and large volume requirements. In ways that traditional manufacturers won't, and distributors simply can't. It's a hybrid model that fuses custom manufacturing, high service execution, and it's working.
Speaker #5: Underpinned by a 25 million dollar increase in our selling project pipeline, the $3.1 million of new business won in Q2 is expected to grow significantly into 2026.
Speaker #5: And with no significant new fixed cost burden each incremental win translates directly to meaningful profit. That's what es this model powerful, is that it's scalable.
Speaker #5: Every customer engagement, every sourcing win, yield improvement, process improvement builds muscle. The platform that we're building compounds and strengths, and the value that we create for our customers multiplies as we grow.
Speaker #5: Across the moments that matter, we win because we respond faster, than traditional manufacturers, especially in the early stages like discovery and development, where our technical bench and speed help customers move from problem to solution.
Speaker #5: We offer services far beyond what distributors can't, spanning the full range of the value chain from reaction-based product development to logistics to regulatory compliance and reformulation.
Speaker #5: We lead with service, and agility, not line cards. We solve problems most platforms aren't built to see. Because we designed our model around every stage of customer loyalty.
Speaker #5: Discovery, contracting, fulfillment, and life cycle support. And we do it all while expanding margin and strengthening reliability for our ustomers. Not by chance, but by design, with process automation, dual source qualification, and operational excellence built into everything we do.
Speaker #5: These moments that matter are where loyalty is earned. And retained. And Ascent is winning because we've made them our blueprints for scalable, profitable growth.
Speaker #5: Without question, the strategic recapitalization of SG&A and the operational horsepower behind it has been central to our transformation. Over the past year, we've irected investment into roles that enable and unlock growth.
Speaker #5: Technical sales, business development, engineering, strategic sourcing, marketing, business operations, and ustomer care. And while the total SG&A has remained effectively flat, the return on that spend has fundamentally changed.
Speaker #5: These teams are now delivering measurable results, new commercial wins, stronger margins, deeper customer penetration, and all-time service levels. And we're just getting started. We're not building a itional chemicals company.
Speaker #5: We're building a performance platform, engineered to solve the hardest problems across reaction chemistry, formulation, supply chain, compliance, and fulfillment. From development to delivery, we own the outcome.
Speaker #5: That's why we're aining share. That's why margins are expanding. And that's why the best chapters of our story are still ahead. Before I pass it over to Ryan, I want to ank our incredible team at Ascent, our superpower, who has continued to demonstrate remarkable grit, hustle, and the drive to win.
Speaker #5: I also want to thank our investors for the trust and confidence that you place in both Ryan and I, and the team that we've assembled.
Speaker #5: With that, I'll turn it to Ryan, to provide ou a bit more context behind our financial performance. Ryan, over to ou.
Speaker #6: Thanks, Brian. And good afternoon, everyone. As Brian laid out, Q2 was a milestone in Ascent's transformation. In the financials of beginning to reflect the benefits of our disciplined repositioning.
Speaker #6: Today, I'll walk through our second quarter results and highlight where structural improvements are driving sustainable margin and operating leverage. Even in the face of persistent macro headwinds.
Speaker #6: Revenue from continuing operations was $18.7 million. Down 13% versus Q2 of last year, but up nearly 5% sequentially from Q1 of 2025. The year-over-year decline was primarily volume-driven.
Speaker #6: Reflecting softer demand across key end markets, though pricing actions taken over the past several quarters helped partially offset the impact. This top-line momentum quarter over quarter albeit measured, is especially notable given the broader macro chemical environment where manufacturing activity has largely languished below expansion territory over the past two years.
Speaker #6: With only a brief respite in early 2025, when PMI readings edged above 50 in January and February, the sector has since reverted to contraction, with July 2025 registering 48.
Speaker #6: Within that context, our sequential growth signals early traction from our focus on higher value commercial engagements, and more resilient end market exposure. Gross profit increased to $4.9 million, with gross margin expanding to $26.1%, up from $17% in Q1, and $13.1% in the prior year period.
Speaker #6: However, it's important to note that in June, we reclassified approximately $1.2 million of costs from cost of goods sold to SG&A, to more accurately reflect the administrative nature of certain Munhall, Palmer, and SPT support resources.
Speaker #6: Adjusting for this reclassification, normalized gross margins for Q1 and Q2 in 2025 would have been approximately 21%, and 22.4% respectively. Still representing strong year-to-date expansion.
Speaker #6: This improvement in margin quality is being driven by favorable pricing, continued reductions in raw material input costs through strategic sourcing, and operational efficiencies across our sites.
Speaker #6: Despite a $29.6% year-over-year decline in volume, driven by both market conditions and our deliberate exit from lower value streams, our pricing actions and cost management efforts are creating real operating leverage.
Speaker #6: Turning to SG&A, expenses totaled $6.4 million in Q2. Up from $4.6 million in the prior year period. But this year-over-year comparison is skewed by two factors.
Speaker #6: First, the $1.2 million reclassification of support-related cogs into SG&A. Second, the reinclusion of remaining ongoing Munhall expenses and continuing operation this year. Whereas it was previously captured in discontinued operations.
Speaker #6: When you remove these combined effects, and isolate core SG&A, excluding Munhall, Palmer, and SPT-related overhead, underlying expenses were actually down approximately $400,000 in the year-over-year.
Speaker #6: That's despite continued investments in commercial, technical, and operational talent as well as system and process improvements designed to scale the platform. These margin gains paired with discipline cost management are beginning to show up in our bottom line.
Speaker #6: Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was a loss of $300,000, flat to prior year, but again, this includes roughly $475,000 of Munhall-related costs, now embedded in continuing operations.
Speaker #6: Adjusting for these legacy site impacts Q2 adjusted EBITDA would have been approximately positive $181,000. We believe this is a more accurate reflection of the earnings power of our core business and underscores the progress we've made in repositioning the cost structure.
Speaker #6: All of this progress is underpinned by a balance et that remains exceptionally well-positioned to support our egy. We ended Q2 with $60.5 million in cash, no debt, and $13.4 million of availability under our revolver.
Speaker #6: We remain disciplined in our capital deployment having repurchased over $644,000 shares in the quarter. Nearly 6% of the company, at an average price of $12.15 per share.
Speaker #6: While preserving flexibility for future growth investments, or opportunistic M&A. To wrap up, revenue improved sequentially despite muted macro conditions and lower volume. Gross margins expanded significantly year to date, even after adjusting for accounting reclassifications.
Speaker #6: Core SG&A is down year over year, reflecting disciplined execution and early operating leverage. Adjusted EBITDA would have been positive excluding legacy site drag. And we expect continued improvement going forward.
Speaker #6: We're confident in the underlying trajectory of the business, and we're committed to sustaining this momentum through thoughtful execution and disciplined capital stewardship. With that, I'll turn it back over to the operator for questions.
Speaker #6: Thanks.
Speaker #7: Thank you, sir. And at this time, we will conduct our question and answer session. If ou would like to ask a estion, please press star, then the number one on our telephone keypad.
Speaker #7: We'll pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Adam Waldo. From Lismore Partners. Please proceed.
Speaker #8: ou're well. Thank you for taking my questions. Hey, Adam. Brian, we had a chance to meet at an investor conference in Chicago in early June.
Speaker #8: And I appreciate your thoughtful answers to my questions. And I wanted to follow up on a couple of ings. In light of this quarter's results release, first, as you think about the 2030 adjusted EBITDA margin target that you've A good day, Brian and Ryan.
Speaker #8: id out in your plan of Michael Kapp's showcase, pardon me, presentation, of 15% net of public company overhead, what sort of Hope revenue number are you contemplating there?
Speaker #8: And can that revenue number be achieved through the excess capacity you have within the existing footprint, or would some of that revenue need to be acquired?
Speaker #9: Yeah, no, good estion. Appreciate that, Adam. So, you ow, outside of our within our existing asset base, we're confident that we can get to, let's , 120 to 130 million.
Speaker #9: Of top line. And if you recall from the Michael Kapp deck, taking that down to gross margins of roughly 30 to 35% with SG&A at that level of anomaly, 15%, taking it down to adjusted EBITDA targets of about 15%.
Speaker #9: So we're we're confident that within the existing asset base, we can get we can get to, we can grow into about 120 to 130, depending on the mix.
Speaker #8: And so how you all sort of quantify and think about your near to intermediate term new business pipeline over the next 12 to, you know, call it 18 months?
Speaker #9: Yeah, I guess, could you be more specific?
Speaker #8: Well, I know your business is one in which you sort of combine more of what I'll call spot market opportunities, but also some longer-term contracted business, right, with larger industrial clients and the like.
Speaker #8: So how should we think about the amount of organic revenue growth that to which you feel you have line of sight through your new business pipeline as we look out over the next 12 to 18 months?
Speaker #8: Or is that, or is that pretty hard to quantify at this point?
Speaker #9: Yeah, I mean, look, this is something that we work on every day. So one of the data points that I referenced earlier was an increase in our selling project pipeline by about 25 million dollars over the last quarter.
Speaker #9: And of that 25 million dollars, it spread out across four to five different market segments. It's a mix of both product sales as well as high-value custom manufacturing.
Speaker #8: Okay, that's tremendously helpful. Last question, if you'll permit me, Brian. In that investor conference in early June, you in response my question, you talked an executive management equity compensation plan that was being finalized and was going to be presented to the board.
Speaker #8: Has that been presented to the board at this point for its review and consideration? And should we view the share repurchases of about $600,000 shares during the second quarter as having been done A, because of the undervaluation of the stock, but B, to support that management equity incentive plan for sort of the next level levels of management below the CEO and the CFO?
Speaker #9: Yeah, I'll answer those questions in reverse. So the share buyback of about 6% of our outstanding shares is not related to any type of equity programs for senior leaders within the company.
Speaker #9: That's just purely based on the fact that we believe this company is is undervalued today. And it will be it will only increase in value in the near term.
Speaker #9: So that's part A. Part B, getting back to, you know, getting back to the question at hand, I mean, look, we have an existing equity program in place.
Speaker #9: For Ryan I, we're at the final stages of advancing a broader equity program. And you ow, with the compensation committee's help, that will be updated and refreshed each year.
Speaker #8: Okay, and in terms of this year's tranche of that, then would you expect that to be finalized with the board compensation committee?
Speaker #9: That's already is, yeah, I an, that's already been settled.
Speaker #8: It's already been set. ay, so this is really for 2026.
Speaker #9: Correct.
Speaker #8: Thank you very much.
Speaker #9: You bet.
Speaker #7: Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of David Siegfried.
Speaker #7: Please go head.
Speaker #10: Hey, thanks for taking my call. Congratulations on the progress made this past quarter.
Speaker #9: Thank ou.
Speaker #10: Yeah. So I know generally the earnings for chemical manufacturer are more stable than a tubular and would demand a higher multiple. So I don't know really the re-rating has happened yet.
Speaker #10: What do you see as a catalyst to get this get this higher?
Speaker #9: Yeah, I think it's three things. I think 's growth, growth, growth, right? So outside of addressing the lingering Munhall issue, which which we are, our primary focus after stabilizing and fixing foundation last year is all about driving both organic and anorganic growth.
Speaker #9: And it's been really encouraging to see just the enormous progress that our team has made. Over the past, well, several quarters, but what I would say is the momentum that we have seen over the past quarter has just been has just been incredible.
Speaker #9: So we're very excited about the future. I'm very excited about the work that the team is doing. And we're very excited about the value proposition that we have.
Speaker #9: That's resonating with our ustomers.
Speaker #10: Good to hear. And so do you ink a return to profitability is in the cards for, like, we'll , third or fourth quarter? Because I know earlier in the year, we were talking about a that second quarter, or I'm sorry, third or fourth quarter of 2025.
Speaker #9: Yeah, I mean, 's certainly what we're running and gunning towards as Ryan indicated earlier. If ou exclude the Munhall aspect, we're effectively there. What would say is the levels of profitability are cute if we're not satisfied with that.
Speaker #9: So you know we've much larger aspirations that we're working towards.
Speaker #10: Got it. So congratulations on making the Russell Index this year. Now, previous two Russell, the previous year it was kicked out. Because of not having market cap, meeting of a market cap requirements.
Speaker #10: So you think this year will be different? 2026, do you think that will be ?
Speaker #9: I hope with improved stability, that will not be the case. But I can't guarantee that.
Speaker #10: Right. No, I understand. And then you ow we're talking a little bit at the previous call, we're talking a little bit about the board.
Speaker #10: Do you think there would be some advantages to having a board of directors that consists of a chemical guy or a few chemical guys?
Speaker #10: Because after all, it's a chemical company now.
Speaker #9: Yeah, I mean, look, like we've said, you know over the course of the past year, our board of directors has been incredibly supportive of Ryan and I and the team that we've put in place.
Speaker #9: Over the past year, and rolling into this year, certainly there's a recognition that we do not have chemical industry representation on our current board.
Speaker #9: And that's being addressed.
Speaker #10: Good. And then you know I think the, you know I've been following this story for six, seven years, probably more. And been an investor for that time.
Speaker #10: So you know ASTI, the asset was essentially sold for less than what it was paid for you know years ago. And I would have to say that Dan Kemp purchase was probably an overpay considering it was bought at peak market.
Speaker #10: Do you ink more discipline, or do you ink it appears that you have more discipline now this time around when it es to a potential purchase or acquisition?
Speaker #9: I mean, that's that's certainly the plan, David. We've we've looked at a number of properties. We've gotten into LOIs. We've walked away because we couldn't align on an appropriate value.
Speaker #9: So we're look, we're not going to get into deal frenzy and just do a deal for the sake of doing a deal. We want to do the right deal.
Speaker #9: We want to do the right deal for our shareholders. We want to start off with something small as we've talked about before. We want to demonstrate to to ourselves and to our shareholders that we can extract a contemplated growth synergies.
Speaker #9: Extract a contemplated cost synergies. Before we get you ow too far out ahead of urselves. So I would look I would look for you know smaller transactions before bigger transactions.
Speaker #10: Got it. That makes sense. And then regarding the buyback, you know great amount of shares bought back last quarter. Do you see that happening in the future, ou know big tranches like that?
Speaker #10: Or is this going to be a continuation of you ow depending upon the order flow, you know picking up $100,000 shares per quarter if you have that type of volume?
Speaker #9: Yeah, I mean, we're look, we're going continue to operate within the existing buyback agreement. And 'll continue to evaluate opportunities with the board. But you know as you ow, we've got a fair amount of dry powder right .
Speaker #9: And we'd like to unleash that with an organic growth opportunity. So.
Speaker #10: Got it.
Speaker #9: It's not an or just like we said before, it's not an or, it's an and.
Speaker #10: Right. Sure. Very good. Well, thank you for the time. Appreciate it.
Speaker #9: You bet. Thank ou.
Speaker #7: As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. Your next question comes from the line of Adam Waldo, with Lismore Partners.
Speaker #7: Please go head.
Speaker #8: A quick follow-up on the other gentleman's line of questioning around the trade-offs implicit trade-offs between deploying capital for M&A versus share buybacks. As you all get toward we'll get in the future towards the end of the time period of achieving filling existing capacity footprint and reaching call it 120 million of annualized run rate revenue.
Speaker #8: How do you think about the M&A multiples, as multiple of revenue and pre-operating expense synergy EBITDA that you would need to, which you would need to acquire companies?
Speaker #8: To compare favorably with the risk-free rate of a return available on our stock? Repurchases?
Speaker #9: Sure, Ryan, ou want to jump in?
Speaker #10: Yeah, I mean, the way we're looking at M&A today from an inorganic perspective is we believe you know assets that we'll be looking to acquire will be trading in that 6 to 8 times EBITDA range.
Speaker #10: So we we would like to stay at the lower end of that range when ou take into account synergies. Just based on where we're trading today and based on the value we can we can extract organically.
Speaker #10: So Brian said this is a it's an and discussion. So we'll we'll always look at opportunistically buying back our shares. We'll look at M&A and we'll like deals early that trend towards that lower end of that 6 to 8 times range I don't think we're in a position today to overpay or pay up for anything beyond that.
Speaker #10: Again, based on where we're at organically, we've got a of room to grow there. We'd like to invest back in the business. But where we see opportunities to find assets that can be accretive to growth at the lower end of that multiple range, where synergies make sense and there's a lot of opportunities to either expand geographically, market share-wise, what have you.
Speaker #10: That's where we'll focus. And there'll be small out of the gate. We want make sure the team continues to focus on organic growth. We have a lot of capacity to fill.
Speaker #10: We're in no rush to go do a deal. We want to be very, very disciplined. Just like David said, there's there's been deals in the past that we we we look at and we we just want to be very careful with how we look deals going forward.
Speaker #10: So again, a lot of these deals earlier are going to be in that lower end of that 6 to 8 times. Again, closer to 6, 7 when you pull in synergies.
Speaker #10: And that's really where we focus M&A in the near term.
Speaker #8: Okay, so really helpful to to hear the philosophy there. And you made reference, Ryan, to 6 to 8 times post-op ex synergies. I just want to clarify that.
Speaker #8: And if so, what multiples would that look like pre-synergies? So that we sort of think the risk profile of a pre-synergies multiple right versus just buying back your own stock.
Speaker #8: And expanding internally at a lower risk profile than integrating an acquisition and financing it, right?
Speaker #9: Sure. Yeah, I would not expect and I would not anticipate us paying anything over 8 or 9 times. Earnings on a on a potential potential asset.
Speaker #9: I mean, would be pre-synergy. Where we would like to be post-synergy is we're pulling that down closer to that 6 to 7 times. So that's where we'll focus in the early.
Speaker #9: nything over that, we're we're just not in a position right to overpay for an asset, pay up for an asset. We just have too much idle capacity where we need to go out and and make a bet that large based on what we know we can do internally.
Speaker #9: So I would say pre-synergies 8 to 9 times, I would not expect us to do anything more than that. And then post-synergies, where we'd like to be, is in that 6 to 7.
Speaker #8: Very good. Very, very helpful. Thank you so much. And best of luck.
Speaker #9: Thank ou.
Speaker #7: And at this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Kitchen for closing remarks.
Speaker #10: Okay, great. Thank you, Liz.
Speaker #9: We'd like to thank everyone for listening to today's call. And we look forward to speaking with you again when we report out our second quarter.
Speaker #9: Third quarter. 2025 results. Thanks and have a great afternoon.