Q2 2025 Amrize AG Earnings Call
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Thank you and good morning, everyone welcome to annualize in the second quarter 2025 earnings call.
MRI spun off on pulse I mean, unless you got in the New York Stock Exchange on June 23, and we are very excited to be with you today for our first earnings call.
We released our second quarter 2025 financial results yesterday after the market close you can find both our earnings release and presentation for today's call in the Investor Relations section of our website.
That's fair Scott AMRI stock.
On the call with me today are Jan <unk>, our chairman and CEO and Ian Johnston our CFO.
John will open todays call with highlights of our second quarter results and how annualized is uniquely positioned to capture growth in a more than 200 billion dollar addressable market.
Dan will then review our financial performance before I hand, the call back to Jan for outlook.
We will then be ready to take your questions.
Before we begin during the call and in our slide presentation, we reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide useful information for investors.
We include reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP in our earnings release and slide presentation.
Reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded a transcript and recording of this conference call will be posted to our website any statements made about future results and performance plans expectations and objectives forward looking statements. These forward looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause <unk>.
Actual results to differ from those presented during the call due to various factors, including but not limited to those discussed in our form 10, and other reports filed with the SEC.
The company disclaims any undertaking to publicly update or revise any forward looking statements with that I will now turn the call over to John.
Thank you Scott and thank you everyone for joining us today for our first earnings call as N rights.
I was just about six weeks ago, we had an excellent start with our spin off and our listing on the New York stock exchange and the Stakes.
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The execution of our spin off.
We're ready to begin.
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North America.
In the second quarter.
Successfully navigate a challenging environment generating stable returns and margins.
This shows the resilience and the strength of our business and our market positions.
With a growing order book, we deliver for our customers to advance projects across infrastructure commercial and residential sectors and from new builds to repair and refurbish it.
Supporting our customers, we launched our <unk> program to drive synergies Osama business improved efficiency and expand our margins.
And we continue to invest in our growth.
Topics and value accretive M&A.
We successfully established an investment grade balance sheet with substantial firepower to fuel our next chapter of growth.
The steps, we are taking from investing to driving synergies across the business.
The foundation for us to capitalize on the strong long term demand across our 200 million at.
Addressable markets.
Let's look at slide five the Q2 financial results.
We generated stable revenue and strong margins, our two business segments delivered strong performance in our consolidated view now include Standalone corporate costs S. M rushed.
This resilient results in.
In a challenging market demonstrates the strength of our market positions, our disciplined pricing and our focus on execution.
Let's move to slide six the market trends turning to the market uncertainty and weather impacted construction activity in the second quarter.
And commercial data center expansion was a bright spot and commercial spending on Mega projects like energy plans continue to be strong.
However, market uncertainty and high interest rates impacted the timing of capital spending and new project starts.
In the infrastructure end markets.
Market has proved resilient as federal state and local governments continue prioritize these projects.
In the residential sector high interest rates and affordability concerns and limiting new construction.
Our second quarter activity was soft.
Substantial pent up demand ahead of us.
We are not seeing projects being canceled.
Environment is simply effect two times.
As uncertainty subsides and the interest rate environment improves we see significant upside potential for mris.
Infrastructure modernization onshoring of manufacturing and the need to bridge the housing gap will drive strong long term growth across our markets.
Data center expansion in particular continues to be an area of growth for us with new projects kicking off across North America to support AI.
It is estimated that the U S alone we will build about 600, new data centers through 2020 so.
But rice that brings opportunity not just in the foundation of the data center up and the rooftop the wall systems and to support all of the infrastructure surrounding the data center to make it work.
Looking forward, we are well positioned for long term growth.
Let's look at slide seven and our key investments in the second quarter.
We continue to invest through capex and value accretive M&A.
In June we acquired the operations of Langley concrete.
Our precast concrete footprint with two state of the facilities in British Columbia, and strengthening our market position in Canada rapidly growing infrastructure sector.
So Omar we opened a greenfield quarry.
201 billion tons of reserves, expanding our aggregates business in the fast growing Dallas Fort worth market.
In Virginia, we broke ground on a new fly ash facilities.
To enable the use of recycled landfilled ash as a high quality supplementary materials.
Expect to produce 8 million tons of fly ash from this facility in the coming years.
We are also on practical organic growth projects.
On slide eight.
We're making progress.
If those projects, which are key for our growth in the future.
We will add significant capacity and further improve manufacturing efficiency at our flagship Shenzhen Pan North America's largest and market leading cement plant.
Our malarkey shingles, we will open a new state of the factory in Indiana to increase production capacity by over 50%.
And expand our market share in the attractive Midwest and eastern markets.
When San Costar into feedback via expanding to increase capacity improved manufacturing efficiency and to strength from MRI market position in Canada.
Overall now as a Standalone company, we are fully focused on the attractive North American markets, and we will accelerate our growth investments into the future.
Let's talk about our customers on slide nine.
We are delivering for our customers on their most important projects every U S state and Canadian Province.
In the quarter, two we announced a partnership with meta to deliver AI optimized concrete for the new data center in Minnesota, and we are working on data centers build across the U S with several skills.
In Canada, we are supporting the upgrade of the Vancouver International Airport.
And with infrastructure modernization continuing.
Sports book supporting airport upgrades from Vancouver, and Calgary to New Orleans childhood, and New York.
We also play a role in extending the life of critical national assets like the USS Gerald Ford, where our advanced Gatwick coatings were used to repay its Korea deck.
Our elevated team completed a new stadium in North Dakota, with our high performance <unk> roofing system.
Across our markets, we have a strong pipeline of such projects are bridges and tunnels to data centers schools offices and homes, our solutions stack inside all of the essential buildings and infrastructure that connect people and advance I'll be level.
On slide 10, we inform you about the lounge of our new <unk> program.
The accelerated synergies and profitable growth, we have launched this <unk> program that we leverage our scale across lung sites and our two business segments.
Optimizing third party spending and drive efficiencies at our operational footprint and logistics network.
We have formally launched the program and have already started making progress across raw materials services logistics and equipment.
We target to achieve $250 million in cost savings by 2028.
Delivering over 50 basis points of margin improvement per year.
We expect to begin achieving incremental savings in the second half of this year.
The full annual savings run rate starting in 2026, as we build momentum.
Taking a step back and looking across the enterprise as the markets. We serve we are confident in our future mris.
Spinoff and listing on June 23, just starting our journey from a position of strength.
With market, leading operation advanced solutions, a strong balance sheet and growing markets.
And with that I will turn it over to Ian to review our financials.
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Great to be with all of you for our first earnings call.
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On slide 13, Youll see a consolidated view of our summer.
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Our Q2 financial results were stable in light of market uncertainty and inclement weather, which is impacting the timing of new construction projects.
Second quarter consolidated revenue of $3 $2 billion was in line with prior year.
Acquisitions contributed one 3% to revenue.
Volumes improved as the quarter progressed and weather conditions became more fake.
Our customers continue to report healthy backlog of projects, particularly in the infrastructure and commercial end markets.
We expect this backlog of projects to be a tailwind to volumes later this year and into 2026.
Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $947 million, including putting $42 million of stand alone costs.
Excluding the impact of these additional corporate cost second quarter, adjusted EBITDA margin 37 compared to $2 39%.
On scale and local P&L ownership model.
Live advantaged and allow us to effectively manage costs during periods of time when the industry is experiencing lower demand.
As we build the corporate structure needed to operate <unk> as an independent company, we expect to incur additional costs that are not reflected in our 2020 quarter on actual results.
Full year 2025, we expect approximately $115 million of additional cost compared to full year 2024.
To apply these additional corporate cost financial results would've been approximately three points year over $7 billion in 2020.
For comparison purposes, we have provided a quarterly view of 2024 adjusted EBITDA in the appendix of our intact.
Turning to slide 14.
Moving to our results by segments building materials reported second quarter revenue of approximately $2 3 billion in.
In line with the prior year.
We are seeing a healthy level of activity in the public infrastructure sector supported by both federal and state spending packages.
We estimate that approximately 50%.
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To date and only roughly 40% of these funds have been deployed providing a runway for growth well into the future.
When the commercial market, we are seeing strong demand for data centers.
While capital spending on warehouse and manufacturing facilities has been slower.
Fundamentals in the commercial market are positive and we continue to see long term demand trends.
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In the residential market, new construction activity remains below historical levels.
GAAP in the U S is close to 5 million homes and will need to be addressed in the coming years.
We believe this will act as a catalyst for new construction activity as the interest rate environment becomes more.
EBITDA margin for the quarter was 33, 7% versus 33, 9% in the prior year.
And supply pricing and are highly cost efficient distribution and logistics network resulted in strong margins and a softer volume.
Pricing gains help to us.
Set the impact from lower volumes.
Positive year over year pricing for both cement and aggregates speaking to the strong pricing fundamentals in these markets.
And our building envelope segment second quarter revenue was $970 million.
In line with.
The ox engineered products acquisition contributed $33 million to revenue in the quarter.
Demand in the commercial repair and refurbishment market and revenue contributions from ox is offsetting the impact market uncertainty and higher interest rate impacts on new.
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Weather events and the increasing age many routes have been key drivers of repair and refurbishment demand and we expect these will continue to be key drivers of growth in the coming years.
Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was 26, 9%.
To 27, 1% in the prior year.
Our disciplined pricing strategy and effective management of our cost base in a challenging market environment resulted in price over cost being stable.
As John mentioned, we have launched our aspire program and expect the synergies we generate from this program will have a benefit to margins in the future.
I'm pleased to report that during the quarter, we successfully closed a $3 4 billion notes offering and a $1 9 billion bond exchange.
Our capital structure also includes a $2 billion commercial paper program and a $2 billion revolving credit facility.
At the end of the second quarter, we have not drawn on our revolving credit facility and had $930 million drawn on the commercial piece.
We finished the second quarter, the net leverage ratio.
So much.
We are beginning our journey is amortized and the position of strength with a healthy balance sheet and investment grade credit ratings from both Moody's and S&P.
As a reminder, we typically generate the majority of our cash flow in the second half of the year.
We expect to finish the year with a net leverage ratio below one five times, leaving us well positioned in both to invest in both organic growth opportunities and pursue value accretive M&A.
On cash flow generation of our business allows us to pursue a growth focused capital allocation strategy.
As John highlighted we are investing in several projects that we expect will drive future organic growth.
And we have a number of additional projects in our pipeline.
We also expect to deploy available cash towards M&A opportunities similar to the recent post acquisition of mainly concrete products.
An excellent example of our bolt on acquisition strategy at work.
And then pipeline remains healthy and our management team has a track record of executing a disciplined value accretive M&A strategy.
We expect to begin returning capital to shareholders in 2026, we'll be working with our board of directors in the coming months on a dividend and share repurchase program.
I'll now turn this over to Jan for pumps.
Thank you Ian on Slide 18, we are providing our 2025 financial targets for the full year, we expect revenues to be in the range of 11, 411 8 billion <unk>.
Adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $2 nine to $3 1 billion.
And net leverage ratio below one five times.
While the first half of the year has been soft and we are forecasting a modestly better second half. They are beginning to see early positive indicators and July was a good month with improved volumes.
You see a significant pent up demand and interest rates are lower and the environment stabilizes. This will serve as a big trigger point to unleash growth.
However, today, it's difficult to predict the exact timing of the inflection points of in our view. It is a question of when and not if.
During this period of softer demand.
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Troll to outperform and positioned for the future.
Our portfolio is well positioned.
Our footprint is unparalleled.
<unk> pipeline of Capex projects and M&A at the markets, we serve have strong underlying fundamentals.
We are well positioned for long term growth and we are confident in our midterm targets.
With that I will pass it back to Scott to begin the Q&A.
Thank you Sophie.
We are now ready to begin Q&A can you. Please explain the process for asking a question.
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Well take our first question Adrian <unk> from Jpmorgan. Your line is going to help.
Good morning, everyone can you hear me.
That put them.
Excellent. Thank you for taking my call again.
My question has to be related to the guidance. They didnt do you expecting a better second half marginally on revenue with revenue somewhat flat in the second half.
But with a much better improvement on the EBITDA side.
Just down a little bit.
How much of that improvement in the second half is basically coming from the from the the us.
Aspire program that you have what is the size of savings that we could already see in the second half from visa and this program that you have.
Hi, Good morning, Thank you for the question.
Yes, we are.
Happy how we started with the <unk> program in.
In June and we see already quite some.
Improvements there.
And this will be contributed to already four H two we don't disclose how much it will be for that.
Second half of this year, but it will be on the way then to achieve full run rates or at 2026.
Overall, I think as I explained a bit in the outlook.
We expect that the volume trends have been encouraging already in July.
And while it is still a fair amount of uncertainty in the market with backlog of projects gives us confidence that the second half of the year will be stronger and better than the first half.
Yes.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Cedar <unk> from Morgan Stanley. Please limit your line is open.
Thanks, very much good afternoon, James Michael Good morning, James Mike I, just wanted to come back on your cash generation and the May date at the end of the first half.
The cash generation seems to have been quite disappointing in the first half I see you've had quite a big build in receivables.
Can you talk about why that is I know that there is seasonality in the business, but it seems that the bill does even in excess of batch.
And then if I look at the change in cash during the first half I'm struggling to get back to what the pro forma balance sheet was in the form 10 at the end of 'twenty 'twenty, four and I know that the form 10 with neighboring hard and fast stocking capital structure for AMRI has to be seems to be quite a big deviation.
Over a billion dollars relative to that pro forma structure at the end of 2024. So maybe you can just help me understand why the net debt at the end of 'twenty for MRI seems to be so much different to what we were sort of looking at in the form 10, and then sort of talk to cash generation for the race to be here.
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Understood.
Thanks for your questions, maybe a couple of comments as we go through I'll start with the free cash flow you are correct free cash flow was down versus the same period at this time last year on a year to date basis.
The nation of a couple of factors first off on the working capital, obviously, a little bit of a.
Increase in later part of Q2 revenue backdrop drove some of our increase in AR build which will.
Become due.
Okay.
Okay.
A slight impact we also have an increased amount of inventory somewhat due to the lower volumes in the quarter. So we would expect that our big sales season is ahead of us in Karachi buildup on inventory.
The other issues to note our cash taxes are somewhat out of step with Q4 of last year, we had a.
<unk> delay in terms of cash taxes, so that slipped over into 2025, and then lastly, we have increased capex that John mentioned in the earlier comments at the beginning we continue to have investments in our Saint Genevieve expansion in our market plan and our Capex is up.
Quarter and on a year to date.
Regarding the pro forma financials are net debt we reported at the end of Q2. This is now a fully independent balance sheet, we have the restructuring and the issue of our corporate bonds at the beginning of April and then our net debt are foreign exchange and the latter.
Q2.
Financial statements today are reflective of a fully independent physician and honestly, there's a seasonality to our business in terms of our net cash and.
The year of 2024.
Same as we would have again this year cash.
Cash balances would be much higher.
And they are at the midpoint of the year, possibly the specifics.
Would it be possible I don't know if you can give these numbers, but would it be possible to tell us what the 2024.
Number was full mris as a standalone entity rather than the numbers, we had in the pro forma just so we have a clean base.
We still don't have the sort of 2024 and eight days I don't think.
The pro forma was what.
Yes, that's your best I figure it.
Five we are guiding towards a net debt figure below one five times on our guidance.
Okay. So the 2024 number is going to be materially different than that 3 billion that was in the form 10. So I think the number pro forma was about 3 billion at the end of 'twenty four.
That could be wrong, but that's what I remember seeing.
I think what will the net debt position that we have right now is around $5 3 billion and we're guiding towards the one five by the end of this year.
Okay.
Thanks, very much for the color I appreciate it.
Our next question comes from Pennsylvania goes from Bernstein. Please on mute your line and ask a question.
Alright, thank you.
Jeremy.
Again, Christopher Please go ahead.
Oh, thanks, Thanks, a lot.
Yeah.
Oh I wanted to talk about the ends of the business.
And.
It was largely.
Largely flat on the top line, but did not yeah, but a lot of that has been driven by the Alterra acquisition.
We will do it.
But could you give an indication.
Underlying price and volume.
The envelope business and also one quick one on the malarkey.
So you were saying that it doesn't keep with an expense.
For the site, but you also did by how much it would mean for your overall.
Residential roofing capacity.
You want me to address that.
Organic versus the <unk>.
Total.
Brian I can talk about that market a bit sure. So in the quarter, our organic growth on revenue was down about 3% on our building envelope segment and were basically flat on <unk>.
Organic growth.
Absolutely.
We are now in an overall Q2 has started a little slower due to adverse weather conditions.
And then that's it.
Weather conditions improve data in Q2, we saw a meaningful rebound in boss.
In late May and in June, especially at the commercial.
Looking at indications, where we finished in volumes ahead of last year and we are very excited now too.
As stopped with the new four planned next year that gives us enormous momentum here to really.
Proof and expand market shifts in very attractive pockets.
Only present today by by deliveries and up by local manufacturing.
Okay.
Our next question comes from James with Wedbush.
Please go ahead.
Good morning.
Dos please about the standalone costs.
Relative to your prior expectation just understanding the different numbers I think for last year.
A one five figure for the carve out I think in Q2, the run rate was about 40 million.
Should we take that 40 Toms for US is that the new Standalone I guess as we think can sell on an annualized basis going forward or not.
If it was if it's more than you thought before volume and is there anything you can do to drive that sort of the central costs.
Okay.
Apparel I'll take that question I think maybe I start up.
Tail end of your question, absolutely, we will be continuing to refine those forecasts as we go forward. So we think this is at the high end of the guidance that we would be assuming in terms of forecast we provided some feedback and pro forma statements in 2024 and 2020 in Q1 2025.
The second quarter 40 million at $42 million is a little bit high we would expect that that could change out a little bit in the following quarters to come as the 115 that we guide is for the full year and included in our overall guidance.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Marcus Cole with UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi, Yes, one question as well so on cement pricing was only marginally in the quarter is there anything that you can tell us in terms of reserve some mix impacts going on this regional trends that we need to be aware of.
On a underlying basis was at high because looking at the past cement pricing was a little bit high from some of your the read across some of your peers. So any color you can give old on mix or regional trends were not nice.
Okay.
Yeah no. Thank you I think we believe in North America, we have the strongest pricing for cement.
The highest pricing and also we made.
Some gains this year, even it was it quickly to challenging market. Your CLO volumes were down 6% in Q2 and the market is soft. So we go focusing very much on value for the customers. So you didn't have any void any volume strategy and we believe that pricing will come back or will improve.
Further if the volume coming back also index border and Es to commerce.
The strong rebound in volumes from this side to be up on.
On the other side, we are very happy with our aggregates pricing, which was over 6% in North America on average very strong.
Conditions in our local markets.
Slightly better than for the cement markets FC versus buying couple of infrastructure projects.
Higher demand than we could also have continue our very positive price in Tia in the aggregate side.
Our next question comes from Jonathan That's in Hoffman with Travis. Please go ahead.
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question I'm on for Keith piece. This morning on the.
The building envelope business was re roofing activity that was that positive for both commercial and resi and then also how did your total shingle shipments compared to the arm of numbers this quarter. Thanks.
Okay.
What numbers the shingle volumes.
Yeah, Yeah. It does.
The shingle shipments how does that compare to the to the industry shipment numbers.
Okay.
Right.
We see first of all in the building envelope, you're very excited I mean, we have.
<unk> talked a bit about the factors influencing.
Influencing the demand in the in quarter, two with high interest rates.
Some weather effects and so we saw a bit of softness. However, we are seeing positive momentum in commercial roofing markets.
Our volumes were roughly flat through may while our elevated volumes outpaced the market and we were up low single digits in quarter two.
Commercial new construction it's mix.
Pockets of strength, we've talked about data centers and stabilizing trends in warehousing.
While in rupiah refurbishment, it's fun.
<unk> has to be a bright spot and driving growth.
Commercial roofing market.
Especially gold production was in line with AMA.
Here, we have a continued residential refurb at repair and refurbishment market impacted by weather related events and a little bit lifeboat hail season, so far this year, but.
Very positive also here for the second half.
Yeah.
Awesome that's helpful color. Thanks.
Our next question comes from Justin <unk> from <unk> Research. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Good morning, and thank you very much for taking my question.
If it was your question on capital allocation, how do you think about about toward the bupa midterm view when would you decide about the did you have you done the payout policy and share buyback I'm not sure. Maybe you have thought about missing when you were talking about the 200 billion addressable market.
What does it composed of does it include the.
Insulated panel wall system or the the liquid applied whooshing disease would be great to get a little bit of a of.
Of course on the on whether these are addressable market is to get a sense of where they're building a road division go into the next decade.
Hello. Thank you Great question, let me answer the question first.
On the market and then I think Ian you cannot give us more color on the capital allocation.
The addressable market the $200 billion. This is the available market for our products and technologies, which we own and where we can expand all footprint in the oil market shares we are a leader in cement.
While we are strong.
I would say fall away in aggregates, Barry and Ben being.
Strong positioning.
One in Shanghai, we are having a huge growth ahead of us on path with our low single digit it should market share. So so the market is the 200 billion doesn't require it technologies and new products is really what we can deliver to our customers today.
<unk> include opportunities for bolt on acquisitions other acquisitions, but here. We are very very present that this market is available and festival for us of course, Kevin Blair location before Ian talks a bit more details to Ross.
We are first of all are driving what is within our control so cash generation and profitable growth is our number one focus and mris.
Alright, the cash to be allocated.
And if you can talk a bit about our priorities are and what our next.
Board decision style or the next steps.
Thanks, John Thanks for your question.
We just had our first board meeting earlier this week and of course, the focus remains very aligned with what we shared with investors at our capital markets day back in March our priorities for the business remain investing in capital first and foremost that's going to continue to be an area, where we have significant organic opportunities.
To invest and grow our business secondly would be on M&A, we actually closed the deal this quarter and have launched in the pipeline to pursue that will continue to be an area of priorities with regards to return of capital to shareholders. We obviously have to engage with our board and get to line the starting point.
It will be a discussion on what the dividend could look like we've indicated that that would be most probably.
U S market specific.
And we will need to ensure that we have alignment with Gordon and bring that to shareholders in the beginning part of 2026 and that's when we would be able to start issuing.
Issuing a dividend and possible returns to shareholders in form of share buyback would come at a later date as we aligned with our shareholders and our.
Maybe just a follow up if there is or is there is an amazing opportunity to your allowance.
How did your acquisition, but would you consider issuing equity if it creates value for Roche Aldo.
Well I would say equity is the last resort, it's expensive and be in the past you have been always very mindful to rather reduce the share count with share buybacks to do.
So to generate new equity is the last on my list.
Thank you very much.
Our next question comes from John Baugh with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Good morning.
And Scott.
Question for me is on the quick correct.
Some deals.
The changes to industry dynamics that you want to flag has this impacted you anyway. Thank you.
John Yes, that's an interesting question I'm not I'm not sure if I'm, an awkward time to answer your question, but.
Obviously, I think what I always see in the industry as you see consolidation and this is another if you want to say consolidation.
So one player took over some edge and then it makes some equity or asset swaps. Since July I think in principle, it's probably good for the industry structure, something and other than that would be up to wait and see how this will play out in the markets.
Okay. Thank you.
Our next question comes from all the damage from Gaza comes National Bank.
Hello, everybody and thank you for taking the question you can hear me the onshore.
Yes, I didn't hear you. Please go ahead.
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I think we've seen in Ottawa share price reaction.
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Because youll probably decent.
Reiterating the 2028 targets can you confirm that you are still sticking to those and confirm the dose.
Yes look I think I talked briefly about it in the outlook you know what at the moment behalf. So the demand than expected. However, we see demand coming up.
Those inflection points of potentially lower interest rates and also and stabilized environment. So difficult for us now too to forecast when exactly this will happen thats not in our control. However, we expect our market will accelerate.
And we are preparing for this so I think we are well we are well positioned for our long term growth targets and we are confident.
Our film our mid term targets, our midterm guidance, which we gave in March at our Investor Day.
So you would say, 5% to 8% top line growth on average, but not using it as a guidance for the current year.
No I mean look I think everyone sees the current year the market demand.
It's just in a different ballpark. So you have to focus on what is under our control of <unk>. So we are focusing on the pricing you are focusing on delivering all the Capex project opportunities you are working on our M&A pipeline.
Peering, we know we will increase our efficiency if the aspire program. So we are working very hard to make our company ready for growth, but at the same time, we're expanding our margins.
When the markets will start to improve this is what we expect already and I think the mid term guidance is excellent midterm pockets for us.
Okay and S. I'm limited to one question. So the second half of the question is.
Can you quantify the cost of gas fire program.
Oh, that's a good question, we have I mean, our as we do that with our own people right. So we have a strong program. We would be changed we adapted the organization of beds. We have some great leader, who actually came over from the building envelope side and now takes over the whole supplier has taken over the <unk>.
<unk> chain four mris and this is the base movement than he has a very.
Very strong program now to deliver but the people in it.
In our operations. So we don't have extra costs to do with this.
That's good to hear thank you very much.
We have no further questions at this time I would.
On the call back over to Scott <unk> Investor Relations officer for closing remarks.
Thank you all for joining us for our second quarter earnings call. We look forward to speaking with you all next quarter.