Q3 2025 Ballard Power Systems Inc Earnings Call
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Thank you operator, and good morning, welcome to <unk> third quarter financial and operating results conference call.
Joining me today is Marty nice Ballard's, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Keith <unk>, Our senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
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I'll now turn the call over to Marty.
Thank you Sumit and welcome everyone to our third quarter earnings call.
Today alongside of our quarterly financial and operational highlights and updates on our market verticals all share progress on our recent restructuring and strategic alignment.
Discuss our path towards becoming cash flow positive and provide updates on key developments across our global organization.
I'll begin with an overview of our business in markets.
Overall I am pleased with our performance in the quarter, we continued to progress on pace with order delivery, resulting in 120% year over year revenue increase largely from our deliveries to the bus and rail segments, representing more than 70% of this quarter's revenue.
Net order intake was approximately $19 million and we achieved a positive gross margin of 15%, reflecting meaningful progress in reducing product costs and a net reduction in onerous contract provisions.
While this margin result may not represent a new ratable baseline it demonstrates the progress of our product cost improvements in overall profitability trajectory.
Our revenue makeup highlights the importance of the bus market.
Our market, we expect to continue growing in the coming years.
I recently had the opportunity to attend the bus world and meet with bus Oems and transit operators.
It was truly eye opening was the interest in electrification for buses has grown substantially with combustion engines largely absent from the show and an almost exclusive focus being on electric alternatives, including fuel cells.
This is not surprising when considering the nearly 60% of new bus sales are now zero emission.
In this electrified space the advantages of fuel cells to serve a wide variety of routes short refueling times and the increasing infrastructure costs.
In face of grid constraints is becoming ever clearer.
As the market attractiveness, and technical and competitive merits of fuel cell buses grow so too has the competition in the fuel cell bus engine space.
With new entrants coming in it is more important than ever for us to continue to differentiate ourselves as the fuel cell industry leader.
Here, we believe that our decades of innovation and one hundreds of millions of delivered kilometers positions us well.
Having the most experienced and most durable reliable products with the lowest demonstrated total cost of ownership sets us apart.
We are also ready for the next generation of buses.
At bus World, We launched the FC move SC and initial feedback from Oems has been very positive.
Customers recognize the potential benefits of higher power density simpler and more integrated functionality are smaller lighter footprint and higher operating temperatures. These are all features that lower their total cost of ownership.
Further we continue to improve our core stack lifetime and industry leading durability.
Taken together our customers are excited with these innovations.
In terms of timing product availability is expected to line up well with OEM timing for homologation into their next generation of vehicles.
Additionally, we are enhancing our product cost leadership and long product life with a more comprehensive focus on delivering best in class service.
We are complementing our products with additional services, including digital operations and maintenance services.
Extended warranties spares management, and onsite and virtual technician training and support.
Our strong balance sheet and commitment to long term service and support sets us apart and our customers are eager to engage with us further to enhance these offerings.
Moving briefly to our rail and marine segments.
We continue to see momentum for freight and passenger rail locomotives.
Recently in a milestone for sustainable transportation Stadler flirt H two hydrogen powered train officially entered service in San Bernardino, California, another important step towards carbon free public transit.
The train sets, a new benchmark for clean efficient and passenger friendly rail travel in the region that we are proud to be powering.
In the Marine segment during the quarter, we recorded our largest order ever to the marine market with our order totaling $6 four megawatts to <unk> Sam Skip.
These are both interesting markets for Ballard.
I'd add that both these markets remain at early stage of development and customer adoption.
For the stationary power market, let me address the topic that is particularly hot at this time AI data centers.
It is clear that the rapid growth and the need for data centers and related infrastructure is creating challenges for local grids and there is a shift to evaluate potential sources of off grid power as well as address <unk> rules and noise requirements in many jurisdictions.
This applies for both backup and primary power sources.
Ballard stationary solutions to date have demonstrated that we can supply kilowatts to megawatts of power.
Our near term product offering for this market is focused on backup power solutions to replace diesel generators.
Volumes in our forecast continue to increase as does our product evolution from hundreds of kilowatts to multi megawatts.
We are leveraging these factors to innovate further with our stationary power and data center customers are.
Our FC move XD product enables us to increase power density today to 500 kilowatts in up to two to three megawatts in a small form factor module in the near future.
This leading power density in a compact footprint opens the door to potential additional use cases.
Hydrogen supply partnerships are central and we are actively working on collaboration opportunities in this area.
<unk> is an exciting area of product innovation, we will continue to provide updates as customer engagement engagements develop further.
Turning to our strategic realignment, we're making meaningful progress as we work towards cash flow positivity on the cost side. Our recent restructuring actions are delivering tangible benefits with significant reductions in cash operating costs and total operating expenses excluding restructuring charges.
On margin and revenue, we remain focused on driving down product costs and expanding our order book and total order back.
Excuse me the backlog build.
Building out our order pipeline is taking additional time as we work with current customers to secure more sustainable contract terms and some orders have shifted to Q4 2025 or Q1 2026.
We believe this extra time is well invested to ensure long term sustainability and appropriately balanced commercial agreements.
Looking ahead to 2026 and 2027, we anticipate further improvement in gross margins supported by ongoing pricing and growth initiatives additional product cost reductions and the initial sales of our FC move SC product.
In addition, we expect further growth as we reenter the material handling market.
We are seeing interest in our extended durability stack offering which more than doubles current material handling stack lifetimes available in the market today.
Customers see this product is an excellent way to increase their delivered value and lower their overall cost, especially related to stacked service and maintenance.
As mentioned as we further refined our product offering for the stationary product power market, we expect growth in this market as well.
We're both material handling and stationary power will provide more details on pipeline and order book conversion efforts as these potential opportunities mature.
Taken together these efforts are critical in moving us towards our goal of cash flow positivity.
There is still work to be done to achieve long term sustainability. We are taking the right steps to grow our business in areas that make strategic sense, all while maintaining a strong balance sheet for our long term resilience and in support of our customers.
Moving to two other items of note for Ballard its global operations.
First due to changes in funding options and updated capacity outlook, we have decided not to pursue the Texas Giga factory development.
Our analysis shows our existing global manufacturing capacity with minor engines with minor adjustments will meet forecasted volumes.
This decision underscores our commitment to capital discipline and focus on efficient execution.
And second as part of our strategic focus we are further reducing our involvement in the <unk> Ballard joint venture in China, allowing us to concentrate resources on North America and Europe.
Before I pass the call to Kate to review our financials I would summarize this quarter is showing progress on our turnaround efforts.
Year over year growth in shipments and revenue progress on margin expansion executing disciplined capital spending and launching compelling new products and services that deliver lower cost and more value to our customers is a really good start there is much more to do to further transform the company and get to cash flow.
Potential opportunities mature.
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Taken together, these efforts are critical in moving us towards our goal of cash flow positivity.
<unk> and we are committed to this overarching goal.
With that I'll turn the call over to Kate for a detailed review of our financial results.
Thanks, Martin and good morning, everyone for the third quarter of 2025 valid delivered revenue of $32 5 million, an increase of 120% year over year, driven primarily by the bus and rail deliveries.
While there is still work to be done to achieve long-term sustainability. We are taking the right steps to grow. Our business. In areas that make strategic sense all while maintaining a strong balance sheet for our long-term resilience, and insupport of our customers.
Sumit Kundu: Thank you, Operator, and good morning. Welcome to Ballard's third quarter financial and operating results conference call. Joining me today is Marty Neese, Ballard's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Kate Igbalode, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, please note that we will be making forward-looking statements that are based on management's current expectations, beliefs, and assumptions concerning future events. Actual results could be materially different. Please refer to our most recent annual information form and other public filings for our complete disclaimer and related information. I'll now turn the call over to Marty.
Moving to 2 other items of note for Ballard's, Global operations.
Gross margin improved to 15% compared to negative 56% in Q3, 2024 71 point improvement.
First due to changes in funding options and updated capacity Outlook, we have decided not to pursue the Texas gigafactory development.
This reflects lower manufacturing overhead continued product cost reductions and a net reduction in onerous contract provision.
Our analysis shows our existing Global manufacturing capacity with minor agents with minor adjustments will meet forecasted volumes.
This reduction in onerous contract provision coupled with higher margin one time off road sales transaction contributed to the outsized gross margin performance in the quarter.
This decision underscores our commitment to capital discipline and focus on efficient execution.
Without these onetime benefits our gross margin will be slightly negative fill illustrating a market year on year and quarter on quarter improvement.
And second as part of our strategic Focus, we are further reducing our involvement in the way chai Ballard joint venture in China, allowing us to concentrate resources on North America and Europe.
Marty Neese: Thank you, Sumit, and welcome everyone to our third quarter earnings call. Today, alongside our quarterly financial and operational highlights, and updates on our market verticals, I'll share progress on our recent restructuring and strategic alignment, discuss our path toward becoming cash flow positive, and provide updates on key developments across our global organization. I'll begin with an overview of our business and markets. Overall, I'm pleased with our performance in the quarter. We've continued to progress on pace, with order delivery resulting in a 120% year-over-year revenue increase, largely from our deliveries to the bus and rail segments, representing more than 70% of this quarter's revenue. Net order intake was approximately $19 million, and we achieved a positive gross margin of 15%, reflecting meaningful progress in reducing product costs and a net reduction in onerous contract provisions.
As already highlighted we continue to make measured progress towards the gross margin expansion and expect that to be reflected in our 2026 outlook.
Before I pass a call to Kate to review our financials, I would summarize this quarter as showing progress on our turnaround efforts.
Total operating expenses were $34 9 million down 36% year over year or 55% lower win rate when excluding restructuring costs.
Cash operating cost declined 40% year over year as the benefits of restructuring actions flowed through to our results.
Year-over-year growth in shipments and revenue, progress on margin expansion. Executing discipline, Capital spending and launching compelling new products and services that deliver lower costs, and more value to our customers is a really good start. There is much more to, to do to further transform the company and get to cash flow positive.
Activity and we are committed to this overarching goal.
The right sizing of our corporate cost structure, while never easy with critical for our long term sustainability and financial help.
With that, I'll turn the call over to Kate for a detailed review of our financial results.
Thanks, Marty and good morning everyone.
Adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $31 2 million compared to negative $60 1 million in the prior year.
Cash used by operating activities was $22 9 million an improvement from $28 6 million in Q3 of 2024.
for the third quarter of 2025 Ballard delivered, revenue of 32.5 million, an increase of 120% year-over-year, driven primarily by the Bus and Rail deliveries
We ended the quarter with $525 7 million in cash and cash equivalents.
Gross margin improved to 15% compared to negative 56% in Q3 2024 a 71 Point Improvement.
Marty Neese: While this margin result may not represent a new ratable baseline, it demonstrates the progress of our product cost improvements and overall profitability trajectory. Our revenue makeup highlights the importance of the bus market, a market we expect to continue growing in the coming years. I recently had the opportunity to attend Bus World and meet with bus OEMs and transit operators. What was truly eye-opening was the interest in electrification for buses has grown substantially, with combustion engines largely absent from the show, and an almost exclusive focus being on electric alternatives, including fuel cells. This is not surprising when considering that nearly 60% of new bus sales are now zero emission. In this electrified space, the advantages of fuel cells to serve a wide variety of routes, short refueling times, and the increasing infrastructure costs in face of grid constraints is becoming ever clearer.
Bank debt and no near term financing requirement.
This reflects lower manufacturing overhead, continued product cost, reductions and a net reduction in owners contract provisions.
Our strong balance sheet and firm hand on prudent capital allocation is a key differentiator amongst peers and provides us with business flexibility and resilience in this dynamic macro environment.
This reduction in owner contract Provisions, coupled with a higher margin, 1-time, off-road sales transaction contributed to the outside, gross margin performance in the quarter.
Looking ahead consistent with prior practice, we are not providing specific revenue net income our margin guidance given the early stage of market development.
Without these 1-time benefits, our growth margin would be slightly negative still illustrating, a market year-on-year, and quarter-on-quarter Improvement.
We continue to expect revenue to be back half weighted for the year and total operating expenses, excluding restructuring charges are expected to be below the low end of our $100 million to $120 million guidance range.
As Marty highlighted, we continue to make measured, progress towards gross, margin expansion and expect this to be reflected in our 2026 Outlook.
Including restructuring costs expenses are expected to be towards the high end of the guidance range.
total operating expenses were 34.9, million down, 36% year-over-year or 55% lower when when excluding restructuring costs,
We now expect capital expenditures of $8 million to $12 million down from our prior guidance of 15% to $25 million, reflecting disciplined capital allocation and deferred facility investments.
Cash, operating costs declined, 40% year-over-year. As the benefits of restructuring actions flowed through to our results.
Looking to 2026, you can expect us to maintain our lean organizational cost structure and continue to demonstrate capital discipline.
The right sizing of our corporate cost structure while never easy with critical for our long-term sustainability and financial help.
Adjusted Eva improved to negative 31.2 million, compared to -60.1 million in the prior year.
Given our healthy balance sheet and accelerating our pathway to profitability is critical for our success and to deliver value to our shareholders.
Marty Neese: As the market attractiveness and technical and competitive merits of fuel cell buses grow, so too is the competition in the fuel cell bus engine space. With new entrants coming in, it is more important than ever for us to continue to differentiate ourselves as the fuel cell industry leader. Here, we believe that our decades of innovation and hundreds of millions of delivered kilometers positions us well. Having the most experienced and most durable, reliable products, with the lowest demonstrated total cost of ownership, sets us apart. We are also ready for the next generation of buses. At Bus World, we launched the FC Move SC. Initial feedback from OEMs has been very positive. Customers recognize the potential benefits of higher power density, simpler and more integrated functionality, a smaller, lighter footprint, and higher operating temperatures. These are all features that lower their total cost of ownership.
Cash used by operating activities was 22.9. Million and improvement from 28.6 million in Q3 of 2024.
With that I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.
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We ended the quarter with 50025.7 million in cash and cash equivalents no Bank debt and no near-term financing requirements.
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Our strong balance sheet and firm hand on prudent. Capital. Allocation is a key differentiator amongst peers and provides us with business flexibility and resilience in the dynamic macro environment.
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The first question comes from Rob Brown with Lake Street Capital markets. Please go ahead.
Looking ahead consistent with prior practice. We are not providing specific Revenue, net income or margin guidance, given the early stage of Market development.
Hi, good morning.
Sure.
Just wanted to get your thoughts on the growth rates in the bus market are there are there additional kind of kind of growth order activity that you are pursuing and getting successful Con conference activity, but just wanted to get your sense on the growth rate in the bus market going forward.
We continue to expect revenue to be back half-weighted for the year, and total operating expenses, excluding restructuring charges, are expected to be below the low end of our $100 million to $120 million guidance range.
Including restructuring costs. Expenses are expected to be towards the high end of the guidance range.
Marty Neese: Further, we continue to improve our core stack lifetime and industry-leading durability. Taken together, our customers are excited with these innovations. In terms of timing, product availability is expected to line up well with OEM timing for homologation into their next generation of vehicles. Additionally, we are enhancing our product cost leadership and long product life with a more comprehensive focus on delivering best-in-class service. We are complementing our products with additional services, including digital operations and maintenance services, extended warranties, spares management, and on-site and virtual technician training and support. Our strong balance sheet and commitment to long-term service and support sets us apart, and our customers are eager to engage with us further to enhance these offerings. Moving briefly to our rail and marine segments, we continue to see momentum for freight and passenger rail locomotives.
Yes, I would answer that Rob by saying that the reception that plus world was tremendous.
We now expect capital expenditures of $8 to $12 million, down from our prior guidance of $15 to $25 million, reflecting disciplined capital allocation and deferred facility investments.
A new product.
It is being very well received and thats by both existing Oems and some Oems in development if you will.
Looking to 2026, you can expect us to maintain our lean organizational cost structure and continue to demonstrate Capital discipline.
Further the constraints I mentioned around infrastructure pinch points.
Maintaining a healthy balance sheet and accelerating our Pathway to possibility, is critical for our success and to deliver value to our shareholders.
With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.
For battery electric charging infrastructure, if you will.
Starting to change the dynamics for fuel cells, where we look much more compelling.
Then than previously.
Outlined if you will relative to battery electric.
So I would say that thats.
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A good news for fuel cells story and starts pointing towards the larger fleet size adoption.
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Especially where.
The infrastructure constraints can be overcome by adopting fuel cell buses. So.
The first question comes from Rob, Brown with Lakes Street Capital markets. Please go ahead.
In General I would say Europe is making steady.
Marty Neese: Recently, in a milestone for sustainable transportation, Stadler's Flirt H2 hydrogen-powered train officially entered service in San Bernardino, California, another important step towards carbon-free public transit. The train sets a new benchmark for clean, efficient, and passenger-friendly rail travel in the region that we are proud to be powering. In the marine segment, during the quarter, we recorded our largest order ever to the marine market with our order totaling 6.4 megawatts to ECAP and Samskip. These are both interesting markets for Ballard, though I would add that both these markets remain at early stage of development and customer adoption. For the stationary power market, let me address the topic that is particularly hot at this time: AI data centers.
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Improving progress and adoption rates for fuel cells North America is.
Essentially flattish year over year.
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Good morning. Uh, just just wanted to get your thoughts on the growth. Kind of, uh, rates in the bus Market. Um, are there are there additional kind of kind of growth order activity that that you're pursuing and and and and get a successful kind of conference activity, but just just wanted to get your sense on the growth rate, in the bus bus Market going forward.
Yes, that's where I'd leave it.
Okay. Thank you and then on gross margin I think you talked about.
Yeah, I would answer that robbed by saying that the reception at bus world was a tremendous the the the new product.
Slightly negative sort of adjusted out as that has set the baseline do you expect to grow from our improved from going forward.
Is being very well received and that's by both existing oems and some oems in development. If you will,
The short answer is yes, but maybe you could provide some more details on the gross margin bridge for Q3, and then kind of what you are.
Further the constraints I mentioned around infrastructure: pinch points.
Outlook from there yeah, absolutely so youre spot on Robin that in our remarks, we did highlight that without this kind of onetime pieces in the quarter. It would be slightly negative I think thats kind of where we expect to to closeouts in Q4, as well and looking into 2026.
Marty Neese: It is clear that the rapid growth and the need for data centers and related infrastructure is creating challenges for local grids, and there is a shift to evaluate potential sources of off-grid power as well as address CO2 emissions rules and noise requirements in many jurisdictions. This applies for both backup and primary power sources. Ballard's stationary solutions to date have demonstrated that we can supply kilowatts to megawatts of power. Our near-term product offering for this market is focused on backup power solutions to replace diesel generators. Unit volumes in our forecast continue to increase, as does our product evolution, from hundreds of kilowatts to multi-megawatts. We are leveraging these factors to innovate further with our stationary power and data center customers.
Uh, for battery electric charging infrastructure if you will is starting to to change the Dynamics for fuel cells where we look much more compelling.
Than um, than previously.
Outlined if you will relative to battery Electric.
Again, I think you can expect.
so, I would say that that's a
Low to mid single digits on a gross margin.
We don't provide margin guidance, but I think you do expect us to see.
Incremental progress going forward from here on out.
A good news story for fuel cells and the larger fleet size. Adoption, especially where...
Okay. Thank you I'll turn it over.
The next question comes from Jeff Osborne with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
the infrastructure constraints can be overcome by adopting fuel cell buses. So in general I would say Europe is making steady
Yeah. Thank you I was going to ask on the former project forwards in the Texas facility. Some of the targets that were laid out for the restructuring there.
And improving progress and adoption rates for fuel cells. North America is.
Are those still achievable without the Texas facility can you remind me how important that was as it relates to getting gross margins higher than what <unk> just mentioned.
essentially flattish year-over-year, and that's um,
Yeah, that that's what I believe in.
Marty Neese: Our FC Move XD product enables us to increase power densities today to 500kW and up to 2 to 3MW in a small form factor module in the near future. This leading power density and a compact footprint opens the door to potential additional use cases. Hydrogen supply partnerships are essential, and we are actively working on collaboration opportunities in this area. This is an exciting area of product innovation, and we will continue to provide updates as customer engagements develop further. Turning to our strategic realignment, we are making meaningful progress as we work toward cash flow positivity. On the cost side, our recent restructuring actions are delivering tangible benefits, with significant reductions in cash operating costs and total operating expenses, excluding restructuring charges. On margin and revenue, we remain focused on driving down product costs, and expanding our order book and total order backlog.
Yes, I would say project forges.
Okay, thank you. And then quickly, gross margin. I think you talked about...
Primarily automation and materials deficiency.
Slightly negative sort of adjusted out is that is that the Baseline you expect to grow from or improve from, uh, going forward.
And that has impact still in flight, yielding well heading into right direction and not dependent on Texas in any way shape perform Texas was more of an integrated view for complete stacks and modules with project forge in the automation being a core attribute but thats being done in Canada.
Is it a short answer? Yes. But in the case, maybe you can provide some more details on the gross margin bridge for Q3 and then kind of what you're.
We speak so we're good on that front.
Good to hear and then Marty you mentioned reentering the material handling space I think from memory years ago, you were just in the liquid cooled side for right on.
out looking from there. Yeah, absolutely. So your spot on um, Rob in that in our remarks, we did highlight that without this kind of 1 time pieces in the quarter. It would be slightly negative. I think that's kind of where we expect to to close out, uh, in Q4, as well and looking into 2026. Um, again, I I think you can expect, you know,
Minutes versus I think the smaller power Jack Lifters, where air cools are you doing both or you're just doing a liquid cooled can you just further.
Low to mid single digits on our gross margin. Um, we don't provide margin guidance but I think you do expect us to see you know incremental, progress, going forward. Um from here on out.
Okay, thank you. I'll turn it over.
Detailed.
Typically the strategy is in material handling.
Yes.
Near term interest we're seeing is for air cooled.
The next question comes from Jeff osworth. With TD Cohen, please go ahead.
Marty Neese: Building out our order pipeline is taking additional time as we work with current customers to secure more sustainable contract terms, and some orders have shifted to Q4 2025 or Q1 2026. We believe this extra time is well invested to ensure long-term sustainability and appropriately balanced commercial agreements. Looking ahead to 2026 and 2027, we anticipate further improvement in gross margins, supported by ongoing pricing and growth initiatives, additional product cost reductions, and the initial sales of our FC Move SC product. In addition, we expect further growth as we re-enter the material handling market. We are seeing interest in our extended durability stack offering, which more than doubles current material handling stack lifetimes available in the market today. Customers see this product as an excellent way to increase their delivered value and lower their overall costs, especially related to stack service and maintenance.
And so air cooled with <unk>.
Additional durability is resonating well with a handful of new customers.
And when I say additional durability I mentioned at least two X the state of the art as as we see the market today.
Thank you. Um, I was going to ask on the um the former project Forge in the Texas facility. Some of the targets that were laid out for the restructuring. Their um, are those still achievable without the Texas facility? Can you remind me how important that was as a relates to getting gross margins higher than what Kate just mentioned?
That really is attractive when you think about the service obligations for customers over the long run and so.
Different customers are really valuing that.
A more thoughtful way as they get more and more experience servicing and managing a long lifetime fleet and so that durability of the equation is starting to show economic clarity for them.
Got it thanks for the detail.
Yeah, I would say project forges primarily Automation and materials efficiency um and that is in fact still in-flight yielding well heading in the right direction and not dependent on Texas in any way shape or form. Texas was more of an integrated view for complete stacks and modules with project Forge and the automation being a a core attribute but that's being done in Canada as we speak. So we're good on that front.
Okay.
Once again, if you have a question. Please press Star then one our next question comes from Craig Irwin with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.
Marty Neese: As mentioned, as we further refine our product offering for the stationary power market, we expect growth in this market as well. For both material handling and stationary power, we will provide more details on pipeline and order book conversion efforts as these potential opportunities mature. Taken together, these efforts are critical in moving us towards our goal of cash flow positivity. While there is still work to be done to achieve long-term sustainability, we are taking the right steps to grow our business in areas that make strategic sense, all while maintaining a strong balance sheet for our long-term resilience, and in support of our customers. Moving to two other items of note for Ballard's global operations. First, due to changes in funding options and updated capacity outlook, we have decided not to pursue the Texas Gigafactory development.
Hey, guys, it's Andrew on for Craig.
Quick one from me.
Congrats on that.
Signing your largest marine order to date.
Good to hear and then Marty you mentioned uh re-entering the material handling space. I think from memory years ago, you were just in the liquid cooled side for. So the right on uh, units versus I think those smaller pallet jack lifters were air cooled. Or are you doing both or are you just doing the liquid cooled? Can you just further uh detail what? What specifically the strategy is a material handling.
Sam to get vessels I know <unk> been working with this partner for a couple of years now I think since 2021. So can you kind of talk about the evolution of this agreement how it came about and maybe what you cannot take away from it and learn for my for for other customers.
Yeah. The the the near-term interest we're seeing is for air cooled.
And so are cooled with.
A additional durability is resonating well with a handful of new customers.
Yes.
Pass it to Kate for some additional clarity, but the headline is we have been developing this opportunity for a couple of years and the product FC wave product.
And when I say additional durability, you know, I mentioned at least 2x the state of the art as we as we see the market today.
His dnb certified for marine application and so that took a good bit of time on certifications and standards bodies, but we were the first ones to do that.
That really is attractive when you think about the service obligations for customers over the long run. And so,
After that heavy lift was complete on the <unk>.
Marty Neese: Our analysis shows our existing global manufacturing capacity, with minor adjustments, will meet forecasted volumes. This decision underscores our commitment to capital discipline and focus on efficient execution. Second, as part of our strategic focus, we are further reducing our involvement in the Weiqai Ballard joint venture in China, allowing us to concentrate resources on North America and Europe. Before I pass the call to Kate to review our financials, I would summarize this quarter as showing progress on our turnaround efforts. Year-over-year growth in shipments and revenue, progress on margin expansion, executing disciplined capital spending, and launching compelling new products and services that deliver lower costs and more value to our customers is a really good start. There is much more to do to further transform the company and get to cash flow positivity, and we are committed to this overarching goal.
Then we started seeing an adoption rate like the same skip order.
Clarity for them.
Noteworthy is that FC wave product has additional use cases beyond marine and.
Got it. Thanks for the detail.
Certification of Dnb, if you will for the marine application.
<unk> provided a lot of comfort to other customers and using that product.
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And the approach that we use relative to that product so.
That's kind of what I know from a background our contact standpoint, if theres more.
Relative to the contract evolution that you want to add feel free.
I think that those are.
Excellent point.
And I think I'm glad you asked about this Andrew because I think there is a number of key learnings not only on a technical basis, but also commercially and <unk>, how we work with customers I mean these are large projects.
Hey, guys, it's uh, Andrew Ron for Craig. Um, 1 quick 1 for me. Uh, so congrats on, uh, the you know, signing your uh, largest Marine order to date, um, with the Sams to get vessels. I know you've been working with this partner for a couple years now, I think, since 2021. So, can you kind of talk about the, uh, just evolution of this, uh, agreement, how it came about and maybe what you can, uh, take away from it and learn from, uh, for, uh, for other customers.
Years to develop a form and I think for me one of my Big takeaways with how are we listening to our customers in terms of what's important to them from a technological point of view and how we're using that to inform our next generation of product development and then I think the other piece too is understanding their entire ecosystem around how they're getting hydrogen supply.
Marty Neese: With that, I'll turn the call over to Kate for a detailed review of our financial results.
Kate Igbalode: Thanks, Marty, and good morning, everyone. For the third quarter of 2025, Ballard delivered revenue of $32.5 million, an increase of 120% year-over-year, driven primarily by the bus and rail deliveries. Gross margin improved to 15% compared to negative 56% in Q3 2024, a 71-point improvement. This reflects lower manufacturing overhead, continued product cost reductions, and a net reduction in onerous contract provisions. This reduction in onerous contract provisions, coupled with a higher margin one-time off-road sales transaction, contributed to the outsized gross margin performance in the quarter. Without these one-time benefits, our gross margin would be slightly negative, still illustrating a marked year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter improvement. As Marty highlighted, we continue to make measured progress towards gross margin expansion and expect this to be reflected in our 2026 outlook. Total operating expenses were $34.9 million, down 36% year-over-year, or 55% lower when excluding restructuring costs.
At a cost that is affordable to them. So it's kind of looking at the whole holistic view.
Yeah. Uh I might pass that to Kate for additional Clarity but the headline is we we have been developing this opportunity for a couple of years and the product FC. Wave product uh is DMV certified for a marine application and so that took a good bit of time on certifications and standards bodies, but we were the first ones to do that and
What it really takes to get these projects across the goal line.
And it's a very collaborative effort for us with our technical teams our commercial teams and also on the Aftercare and service piece is incredibly important in these types of applications, which really require very high reliability and ease of maintenance. So I was really happy to be involved on this across the last number of years.
Uh, after that, heavy lift was complete on the search. Then we started seeing a, an adoption rate like the Sam skip order, uh, noteworthy, is that FC wave product has additional use cases Beyond marine and that certification of, of DNB. If you will for the marina,
Thrilled to see it coming to fruition.
Application, uh, provided a lot of comfort to other customers in using that product.
Great really appreciate the color and thank you for taking my question.
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And the approach that we used relative to that product. So uh that that's kind of what I know from a background or context standpoint. If there's more uh relative to the contract Evolution, Kate that you want to add feel free.
No, I think that.
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Kate Igbalode: Cash operating costs declined 40% year-over-year as the benefits of restructuring actions flowed through to our results. The right sizing of our corporate cost structure, while never easy, was critical for our long-term sustainability and financial health. Adjusted EBITDA improved to negative $31.2 million compared to negative $60.1 million in the prior year. Cash used by operating activities was $22.9 million, an improvement from $28.6 million in Q3 of 2024. We ended the quarter with $525.7 million in cash and cash equivalents, no bank debt, and no near-term financing requirements. Our strong balance sheet and firm hand on prudent capital allocation is a key differentiator amongst peers, and provides us with business flexibility and resilience in this dynamic macro environment. Looking ahead, consistent with prior practice, we are not providing specific revenue, net income, or margin guidance given the early stage of market development.
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But also commercial and interaction with how we work with customers. I mean, these are large projects, they take years to develop a form. And I think for me 1 of my big takeaways was how are we listening to our customers in terms of what's important to them? From a technological point of view? And how we're using that to inform our next generation of product development? And then I think the other piece, too, is understanding their entire ecosystem around how they're getting hydrogen Supply, um, at a, a cost that is Affordable to them. So it's kind of, you know, looking at the whole holistic view of of what it really takes to get these projects across the goal line. Um, and it's a very collaborative effort for us with our technical teams, our commercial teams, um, and also on the Aftercare and service piece is incredibly important in these types of applications, which really require very high reliability, um, and ease of Maintenance. So, um, I was really happy to be involved on this across the last number of years. Um, and I'm thrilled to see it coming to fruition.
Great. We really appreciate the call or not. Thank you for taking my question.
Kate Igbalode: We continue to expect revenue to be back half-weighted for the year, and total operating expenses, excluding restructuring charges, are expected to be below the low end of our $100 to 120 million guidance range. Including restructuring costs, expenses are expected to be towards the high end of the guidance range. We now expect capital expenditures of $8 to 12 million, down from our prior guidance of $15 to 25 million, reflecting disciplined capital allocation and deferred facility investments. Looking to 2026, you can expect us to maintain our lean organizational cost structure, and continue to demonstrate capital discipline. Maintaining a healthy balance sheet and accelerating our pathway to profitability is critical for our success, and to deliver value to our shareholders. With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.
This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Martinez for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.
Thank you, everyone for participating in today's call. Really appreciate it. And we look forward to providing additional updates in the future.
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Rob Brown: Good morning. Just wanted to get your thoughts on the growth kind of rates in the bus market. Are there additional kind of growth order activity that you're pursuing to get a successful kind of conference activity? Just wanted to get your sense on the growth rate in the bus market going forward.
Marty Neese: Yeah, I would answer that, Rob, by saying that the reception at Bus World was tremendous. The new product is being very well received, and that's by both existing OEMs and some OEMs in development, if you will. Further, the constraints I mentioned around infrastructure pinch points for battery electric charging infrastructure, if you will, are starting to change the dynamics for fuel cells where we look much more compelling than previously outlined, if you will, relative to battery electric. I would say that that's good news for fuel cells and starts pointing towards a larger fleet size adoption, especially where the infrastructure constraints can be overcome by adopting fuel cell buses. In general, I would say Europe is making steady and improving progress and adoption rates for fuel cells. North America is essentially flattish year-over-year, and that's yeah, that's where I'd leave it.
Rob Brown: Thank you. Quickly on gross margin, I think you talked about a slightly negative sort of adjusted out. Is that the baseline you expect to grow from or improve from going forward?
Marty Neese: The short answer is yes, but Kate, maybe you could provide some more details on the gross margin bridge for Q3, and then kind of what you're outlooking from there.
Kate Igbalode: Yeah, absolutely. You're spot on, Rob, in our remarks. We did highlight that without these kind of one-time pieces in the quarter, it would be slightly negative. I think that's kind of where we expect to close out in Q4 as well. Looking to 2026, again, I think you can expect low to mid-single digits on our gross margin. We don't provide margin guidance, but I think you do expect us to see incremental progress going forward from here on out.
Rob Brown: Okay, thank you. I'll turn it over.
Operator: The next question comes from Jeff Osborne with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Jeff Osborne: Thank you. I was going to ask on the former Project Forge in the Texas facility, some of the targets that were laid out for the restructuring there, are those still achievable without the Texas facility? Can you remind me how important that was as it relates to getting gross margins higher than what Kate just mentioned?
Marty Neese: Yeah, I would say Project Forge is primarily automation and materials efficiency, and that is, in fact, still in flight, yielding well, heading in the right direction, and not dependent on Texas in any way, shape, or form. Texas was more of an integrated view for complete stacks and modules, with Project Forge and the automation being a core attribute. That's being done in Canada as we speak, so we're good on that front.
Jeff Osborne: Good to hear. Marty, you mentioned re-entering the material handling space. I think from memory, years ago, you were just in the liquid-cooled side for sort of the ride-on units versus, I think, the smaller pallet jack lifters were air-cooled. Are you doing both, or are you just doing the liquid-cooled? Can you just further detail what specifically the strategy is on material handling?
Marty Neese: Yeah, the near-term interest we're seeing is for air-cooled. Air-cooled with additional durability is resonating well with a handful of new customers. When I say additional durability, I mentioned at least 2x the state of the art as we see the market today. That really is attractive when you think about the service obligations for customers over the long run. Different customers are really valuing that in a more thoughtful way as they get more and more experience servicing and managing a long lifetime fleet. That durability equation is starting to show economic clarity for them.
Jeff Osborne: Got it. Thanks for the detail.
Operator: Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Craig Irvin with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Roth Capital): Hey, guys. It's Andrew on for Craig. One quick one from me. Congrats on signing your largest marine order to date with the Samskip vessels. I know you've been working with this partner for a couple of years now, I think since 2021. Can you kind of talk about the just evolution of this agreement, how it came about, and maybe what you can take away from it and learn from for other customers?
Marty Neese: Yeah, I might pass that to Kate for additional clarity, but the headline is we have been developing this opportunity for a couple of years, and the product, FC Wave product, is DNV certified for a marine application. That took a good bit of time on certifications and standards bodies, but we were the first ones to do that. After that heavy lift was complete on the certs, we started seeing an adoption rate like the Samskip order. Noteworthy is that FC Wave product has additional use cases beyond marine, and that certification of DNV, if you will, for the marine application provided a lot of comfort to other customers in using that product and the approach that we used relative to that product. That's kind of what I know from a background or context standpoint.
Marty Neese: If there's more relative to the contract evolution, Kate, that you want to add, feel free.
Kate Igbalode: I think those are excellent points, Marty. I think I'm glad you asked about this, Andrew, because I think there's a number of key learnings, not only on a technical basis, but also commercial and intellectual in how we work with customers. I mean, these are large projects. They take years to develop and form. I think for me, one of my big takeaways was how are we listening to our customers in terms of what's important to them from a technological point of view and how we're using that to inform our next generation of product development. I think the other piece too is understanding their entire ecosystem around how they're getting hydrogen supply at a cost that is affordable to them.
Kate Igbalode: It's kind of looking at the whole holistic view of what it really takes to get these projects across the bull line. It's a very collaborative effort for us with our technical teams, our commercial teams, and also on the aftercare and service piece, which is incredibly important in these types of applications that really require very high reliability and ease of maintenance. I was really happy to be involved on this across the last number of years, and I'm thrilled to see it come into fruition.
[Analyst] (Roth Capital): Great, we really appreciate the call, and thank you for taking my question.
Operator: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Marty Neese for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.
Marty Neese: Thank you, everyone, for participating in today's call. Really appreciate it, and we look forward to providing additional updates in the future.
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