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Q4 2025 Pfizer Inc Earnings Call
Chris Schott: Good day, everyone, and welcome to Pfizer's Q4 2025 earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Francesca DeMartino, Chief Investor Relations Officer and Senior Vice President. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Good day, everyone, and welcome to Pfizer's Q4 2025 earnings conference call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Francesca DeMartino, Chief Investor Relations Officer and Senior Vice President. Please go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead, ma'am.
Speaker #2: Good morning, and welcome to Pfizer's earnings call. I'm Francesca DeMartino, Chief Investor Relations Officer. On behalf of the Pfizer team, thank you for joining us.
Chris Boshoff: Good morning and welcome to Pfizer's earnings call. I'm Francesca DeMartino, Chief Investor Relations Officer. On behalf of the Pfizer team, thank you for joining us. This call is being made available via audio webcast at Pfizer.com. Earlier this morning, we released our results for Q4 and full year 2025 via a press release that is available on our website at Pfizer.com. I'm joined today by Dr. Albert Bourla, our Chairman and CEO; Dr. Chris Boshoff, our Chief Scientific Officer; and Dave Denton, our CFO. Albert, Chris, and Dave have some prepared remarks, and we will then open the call for questions. Members of our leadership team will be available for the Q&A session. Before we get started, I want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements and discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures.
Francesca DeMartino: Good morning and welcome to Pfizer's earnings call. I'm Francesca DeMartino, Chief Investor Relations Officer. On behalf of the Pfizer team, thank you for joining us. This call is being made available via audio webcast at Pfizer.com. Earlier this morning, we released our results for Q4 and full year 2025 via a press release that is available on our website at Pfizer.com. I'm joined today by Dr. Albert Bourla, our Chairman and CEO; Dr. Chris Boshoff, our Chief Scientific Officer; and Dave Denton, our CFO. Albert, Chris, and Dave have some prepared remarks, and we will then open the call for questions. Members of our leadership team will be available for the Q&A session. Before we get started, I want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements and discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures.
Speaker #2: This call is being made available via audio webcast at Pfizer.com. Earlier this morning, we released our results for the fourth quarter and full year 2025 via a press release that is available on our website at Pfizer.com.
Speaker #2: I'm joined today by Dr. Albert Bourla, our Chairman and CEO; Dr. Chris Boshoff, our Chief Scientific Officer; and Dave Denton, our CFO.
Speaker #2: Albert, Chris, and Dave have some prepared remarks, and we will then open the call for questions. Members of our leadership team will be available for the Q&A session.
Speaker #2: Before we get started, I want to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements and discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures. I encourage you to read the disclaimers in our slide presentation, the press release we issued this morning, and the disclosures in our SEC filings, which are all available on the IR website on Pfizer.com.
Chris Boshoff: I encourage you to read the disclaimers in our slide presentation, the press release we issued this morning, and the disclosures in our SEC filings, which are all available on the IR website on Pfizer.com. Forward-looking statements on the call are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties, speak only as of the call's original date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of the statements. With that, I will turn the call over to Albert.
I encourage you to read the disclaimers in our slide presentation, the press release we issued this morning, and the disclosures in our SEC filings, which are all available on the IR website on Pfizer.com. Forward-looking statements on the call are subject to substantial risks and uncertainties, speak only as of the call's original date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of the statements. With that, I will turn the call over to Albert.
Speaker #2: on the call are subject to substantial Forward-looking statements risks and uncertainties; speak only as of the call's original date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any of the statements.
Speaker #2: With that, I will turn the call over to Albert.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Francesca. So, 2025 was a very good year for Pfizer. I'm very pleased with strong execution to deliver and, frankly, overdeliver on our financial commitments.
Alexandre de Germay: Thank you, Francesca. So 2025 was a very good year for Pfizer. I'm very pleased with strong execution to deliver and, frankly, over-deliver on our financial commitments. We exceeded expectations for revenues and adjusted diluted EPS while also returning $9.8 billion to shareholders via our quarterly dividend. We grew overall operational revenue for full year 2025 when, excluding COVID-19 products, achieved solid double-digit growth in recently launched and acquired products and expanded adjusted gross margins. Strategic actions in 2025 helped us resolve significant uncertainty, including achieving greater clarity on pricing and tariffs and demonstrating the underlying resilience of our business to deliver EPS despite the lowest-ever COVID-19 season. We achieved 4 key approvals, 8 critical readouts, and initiated 11 pivotal studies, and our Metsera, YaoPharma, and 3SBio deals helped strengthen our robust pipeline. Overall, 2025 reinforced how well Pfizer can execute.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Francesca. So 2025 was a very good year for Pfizer. I'm very pleased with strong execution to deliver and, frankly, over-deliver on our financial commitments. We exceeded expectations for revenues and adjusted diluted EPS while also returning $9.8 billion to shareholders via our quarterly dividend. We grew overall operational revenue for full year 2025 when, excluding COVID-19 products, achieved solid double-digit growth in recently launched and acquired products and expanded adjusted gross margins. Strategic actions in 2025 helped us resolve significant uncertainty, including achieving greater clarity on pricing and tariffs and demonstrating the underlying resilience of our business to deliver EPS despite the lowest-ever COVID-19 season. We achieved 4 key approvals, 8 critical readouts, and initiated 11 pivotal studies, and our Metsera, YaoPharma, and 3SBio deals helped strengthen our robust pipeline. Overall, 2025 reinforced how well Pfizer can execute.
Speaker #3: We exceeded expectations for revenues, and adjusted diluted EPS, while also returning 9.8 billions to shareholders via our quarterly dividend. We grew overall operational revenue for full year 2025 when excluding COVID-19 products, achieved solid double-digit growth in recently launched and acquired products, and expanded adjusted gross margins.
Speaker #3: Strategic actions in 2025 helped us resolve significant uncertainties. Including achieving greater clarity on pricing and tariffs, and demonstrating the underlying resilience of our business to deliver EPS despite the lowest-ever COVID-19 season.
Speaker #3: We achieved 4 key approvals, 8 critical readouts, and initiated 11 pivotal studies. And our Matera, Yahoo oo Pharma, and 3S Bio deals helped strengthen our robust pipeline.
Speaker #3: Overall, 2025 reinforced how well Pfizer can execute. We strengthened a foundation positioning us for growth towards the end of the decade, continued impact for patients, and long-term shareholder value.
Alexandre de Germay: We strengthened a foundation positioning us for growth towards the end of the decade, continued impact for patient, and long-term shareholder value. We have once again defined strategic priorities for the year ahead, which we presented at J.P. Morgan. 2026 is an important year in a pivotal investment period as we strive for industry-leading growth after several key products lose patent or regulatory exclusivity in the next few years. Seagen, Metsera, and Biohaven are the most significant strategic acquisitions in recent years. They have transformative potential for Pfizer, and we are focused on maximizing the value of inline product portfolios and accelerating pipeline development. We made continued progress last year integrating legacy Seagen products into our commercial portfolio. I'm also pleased with notable advances in our development programs, including recent FDA approval for Paxlovid in combination with Pembrol for patients with muscle-invasive bladder cancer who are ineligible for cisplatin-containing chemotherapy.
Alexandre de Germay: We strengthened a foundation positioning us for growth towards the end of the decade, continued impact for patient, and long-term shareholder value. We have once again defined strategic priorities for the year ahead, which we presented at J.P. Morgan. 2026 is an important year in a pivotal investment period as we strive for industry-leading growth after several key products lose patent or regulatory exclusivity in the next few years. Seagen, Metsera, and Biohaven are the most significant strategic acquisitions in recent years. They have transformative potential for Pfizer, and we are focused on maximizing the value of inline product portfolios and accelerating pipeline development. We made continued progress last year integrating legacy Seagen products into our commercial portfolio. I'm also pleased with notable advances in our development programs, including recent FDA approval for Paxlovid in combination with Pembrol for patients with muscle-invasive bladder cancer who are ineligible for cisplatin-containing chemotherapy.
Speaker #3: We have once again defined strategic priorities for the year ahead, which we presented at JPMorgan. 2026 is an important year in a pivotal investment period, as we strive for industry-leading growth after several key products lose patent or regulatory exclusivity in the next few years.
Speaker #3: Season, Matera, and Biohaven are the most significant strategic acquisitions in recent years. They have transformative potential for Pfizer, and we are focused on maximizing the value of in-line product portfolios and accelerating pipeline development.
Speaker #3: We made continued progress last year integrating legacy Seagen products into our commercial portfolio, and I'm also pleased with notable advances in our development programs, including the recent FDA approval for Paxev in combination with Pembro for patients with muscle-invasive bladder cancer who are ineligible for cisplatin-containing chemotherapy.
Alexandre de Germay: We are encouraged by the opportunity to build on this with an expected regulatory decision for patients with cisplatin-eligible MIBC. If successful, we will substantially expand the US addressable population with up to approximately 22,500 additional patients across both cis-eligible and cis-ineligible muscle-invasive bladder cancer, up from about 19,000 patients in metastatic urothelial cancer. We have a clear strategy aiming for Pfizer leadership in the next generation of therapies for chronic weight management with a highly differentiated Metsera pipeline portfolio, our YaoPharma exclusive global collaboration and licensing agreement, and other Pfizer programs such as our oral GIPR antagonist candidate. Since closing our Biohaven acquisition a few years ago, we have globally scaled a leading migraine portfolio. It strengthened our product mix to drive significant impact both for patients and our commercial performance. Nurtec has a strong market leadership position in the oral CGRP class in 2025.
We are encouraged by the opportunity to build on this with an expected regulatory decision for patients with cisplatin-eligible MIBC. If successful, we will substantially expand the US addressable population with up to approximately 22,500 additional patients across both cis-eligible and cis-ineligible muscle-invasive bladder cancer, up from about 19,000 patients in metastatic urothelial cancer. We have a clear strategy aiming for Pfizer leadership in the next generation of therapies for chronic weight management with a highly differentiated Metsera pipeline portfolio, our YaoPharma exclusive global collaboration and licensing agreement, and other Pfizer programs such as our oral GIPR antagonist candidate. Since closing our Biohaven acquisition a few years ago, we have globally scaled a leading migraine portfolio. It strengthened our product mix to drive significant impact both for patients and our commercial performance. Nurtec has a strong market leadership position in the oral CGRP class in 2025.
Speaker #3: We are encouraged by the opportunity to build on this with an expected regulatory decision for patients with cisplatin-eligible MIBC. If successful, we will substantially expand the U.S. addressable population with up to approximately 22,500 additional patients across both cis-eligible and cis-ineligible muscle-invasive bladder cancer, up from about 19,000 patients in metastatic urothelial cancer.
Speaker #3: We have a clear strategy aiming for Pfizer leadership in the next generation of therapies for chronic weight management, with a highly differentiated Matera pipeline portfolio, our Yahoo Pharma exclusive global collaboration and licensing agreement, and other Pfizer programs such as our oral GIPR antagonist candidate.
Speaker #3: Since closing our Biohaven acquisition a few years ago, we have globally scaled a leading migraine portfolio. It strengthened our product mix to drive significant impact both for patients and our commercial performance.
Speaker #3: Nurtec has a strong market leadership position in the oral CGRP class in 2025. In Q4, we captured 83% of new CGRP writer volume, and remain the leader in new patient starts.
Alexandre de Germay: In Q4, we captured 83% of new CGRP writer volume and remain the leader in new patient starts. I expect 2026 to be also a very rich year for key catalysts and to intend to deliver on our critical R&D milestones. This year, we anticipate progress with approximately 20 recently initiated and planned key pivotal studies, with 10 of them in the Metsera portfolio and 4 with our anti-PD-1 VEGF bispecific. Among 8 expected key readouts, we anticipate 1 for SV, our novel potential first-in-class integrin beta-6-targeting ADC. The readout will be in second-line plus non-squamous metastatic non-small cell lung cancer, which affects about 50,000 patients in the US and more than 200,000 patients globally. We are also expecting key Phase 3 readouts for Elrexfio in double-class exposed relapse refractory multiple myeloma and for our Lyme disease vaccine candidate.
In Q4, we captured 83% of new CGRP writer volume and remain the leader in new patient starts. I expect 2026 to be also a very rich year for key catalysts and to intend to deliver on our critical R&D milestones. This year, we anticipate progress with approximately 20 recently initiated and planned key pivotal studies, with 10 of them in the Metsera portfolio and 4 with our anti-PD-1 VEGF bispecific. Among 8 expected key readouts, we anticipate 1 for SV, our novel potential first-in-class integrin beta-6-targeting ADC. The readout will be in second-line plus non-squamous metastatic non-small cell lung cancer, which affects about 50,000 patients in the US and more than 200,000 patients globally. We are also expecting key Phase 3 readouts for Elrexfio in double-class exposed relapse refractory multiple myeloma and for our Lyme disease vaccine candidate.
Speaker #3: I expect 2026 to be also a very rich year for key catalysts and to intend to deliver on our critical R&D milestones. This year, we anticipate progress with approximately 20 recently initiated and planned key pivotal studies, with 10 of them in the Matera portfolio, and 4 with our anti-PD-1 VGF bispecific.
Speaker #3: Among eight expected key readouts, we anticipate one for SV, our novel potential first-in-class integrin beta-6 targeting the DOT in ADC. The readout will be in second-line plus non-squamous metastatic non-small cell lung cancer.
Speaker #3: Which affects about 50,000 patients in the US and more than 200,000 patients globally. We are also expecting key phase III readouts for Elrexfio, in double-class exposed relapse refractory multiple myeloma, and for our Lyme disease vaccine candidate.
Alexandre de Germay: The foundation of our strategy in obesity and adjacent condition is targeting breakthrough medicines in what could be a $150 billion market. Earlier today, we announced encouraging results for our VESPER-3 study, which previously was known as Metsera 097i, the ultra-long-acting investigational next-generation injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist. In a few moments, Chris Boshoff, our Chief Scientific Officer, will walk through additional details and our plans for advancing our obesity portfolio this year. Oncology is another source of strength, and I'm excited by opportunities for significant progress in 2026 that would build on our established presence in breast, in genitourinary, in thoracic, and gastrointestinal cancer, and, of course, blood cancers. In addition to promising programs such as the SV, our oncology team is moving quickly with a robust program for 4404, the bispecific antibody licensed last year from 3SBio.
The foundation of our strategy in obesity and adjacent condition is targeting breakthrough medicines in what could be a $150 billion market. Earlier today, we announced encouraging results for our VESPER-3 study, which previously was known as Metsera 097i, the ultra-long-acting investigational next-generation injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist. In a few moments, Chris Boshoff, our Chief Scientific Officer, will walk through additional details and our plans for advancing our obesity portfolio this year. Oncology is another source of strength, and I'm excited by opportunities for significant progress in 2026 that would build on our established presence in breast, in genitourinary, in thoracic, and gastrointestinal cancer, and, of course, blood cancers. In addition to promising programs such as the SV, our oncology team is moving quickly with a robust program for 4404, the bispecific antibody licensed last year from 3SBio.
Speaker #3: The foundation of our strategy in obesity and adjacent conditions is targeting breakthrough medicines in what could be a $150 billion market. Earlier today, we announced encouraging results from our Vesper 3 study, which was previously known as Matera 097i, the ultra-long-acting investigational next-generation injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist.
Speaker #3: In a few moments, Chris Bossop, our chief scientific officer, will walk through additional details and our plans for advancing our obesity portfolio this year.
Speaker #3: Oncology is another source of strength, and I'm excited by opportunities for significant progress in 2026 that would build on our established presence in breast, genitourinary, thoracic, and gastrointestinal cancer, and of course, blood cancers.
Speaker #3: In addition to promising programs such as the SV, our oncology team is moving quickly with a robust program for 4404, the bispecific antibody licensed last year from 3S Bio.
Speaker #3: We have 7 near-term planned or recently started trials, for 4404, including 2 large global phase III studies anchoring our efforts to establish this investigational medicine as a potential backbone therapy across multiple tumor types.
Alexandre de Germay: We have seven near-term planned or recently started trials for 4404, including two large global phase 3 studies anchoring our efforts to establish this investigational medicine as a potential backbone therapy across multiple tumor types. We're also pleased that the FDA has granted Hmpavzi breakthrough therapy designation for investigation in younger pediatric patients aged 6 to 11 in hemophilia B with or without inhibitor. That's an important innovative medicine today, and we are investigating the full potential of Hmpavzi to support more patients living with hemophilia. Our third strategic priority is investing to maximize post-2028 growth. We are committed to fully supporting a robust and accelerated approach to R&D, the successful commercial launch of new products, and bolt-on business development while maintaining our robust dividend. And finally, we are scaling artificial intelligence across R&D, manufacturing, commercial, and patient engagement to improve productivity and accelerate innovation.
We have seven near-term planned or recently started trials for 4404, including two large global phase 3 studies anchoring our efforts to establish this investigational medicine as a potential backbone therapy across multiple tumor types. We're also pleased that the FDA has granted Hmpavzi breakthrough therapy designation for investigation in younger pediatric patients aged 6 to 11 in hemophilia B with or without inhibitor. That's an important innovative medicine today, and we are investigating the full potential of Hmpavzi to support more patients living with hemophilia. Our third strategic priority is investing to maximize post-2028 growth. We are committed to fully supporting a robust and accelerated approach to R&D, the successful commercial launch of new products, and bolt-on business development while maintaining our robust dividend. And finally, we are scaling artificial intelligence across R&D, manufacturing, commercial, and patient engagement to improve productivity and accelerate innovation.
Speaker #3: We're also pleased that the FDA has granted Chimpanzee breakthrough therapy designation for investigation in younger pediatric patients aged 6 to 11 in hemophilia B, with or without inhibitor.
Speaker #3: That's an important innovative medicine today, and we are investigating the full potential of chimpanzee to support more patients living with hemophilia. Our third strategic priority is investing to maximize post-2028 broad.
Speaker #3: We are committed to fully supporting a robust and accelerated approach to R&D, the successful commercial launch of new products, and both on business development while maintaining our robust dividend.
Speaker #3: And finally, we are scaling artificial intelligence across R&D, manufacturing, commercial, and patient engagement to improve productivity and accelerate innovation. We have been setting the foundation with AI-ready data, agentic workflows, and compute capacity.
Alexandre de Germay: We have been setting the foundation with AI-ready data, agentic workflows, and compute capacity. To meet the growing AI demand over the next two years, we are expanding to more than 1,200 GPUs, largely driven by R&D application of AI. In R&D, we are embedding AI across discovery, development, regulatory, and medical to increase productivity and accelerate the pipeline and timelines. AI is optimizing supply planning and manufacturing, contributing to our manufacturing optimization program goals. In commercial, AI is helping to accelerate new product launches, delivering insights for dynamic targeting and supporting personalized messaging and real-time marketing content. So with that and after I describe the four priorities, which describe the full picture of what we plan to do in 2026, I will turn it over to Chris to discuss the news of the day, which are the Metsera long-acting announcement of VESPER3. Chris.
We have been setting the foundation with AI-ready data, agentic workflows, and compute capacity. To meet the growing AI demand over the next two years, we are expanding to more than 1,200 GPUs, largely driven by R&D application of AI. In R&D, we are embedding AI across discovery, development, regulatory, and medical to increase productivity and accelerate the pipeline and timelines. AI is optimizing supply planning and manufacturing, contributing to our manufacturing optimization program goals. In commercial, AI is helping to accelerate new product launches, delivering insights for dynamic targeting and supporting personalized messaging and real-time marketing content. So with that and after I describe the four priorities, which describe the full picture of what we plan to do in 2026, I will turn it over to Chris to discuss the news of the day, which are the Metsera long-acting announcement of VESPER3. Chris.
Speaker #3: To meet the growing AI demand, over the next two years, we are expanding to more than 1,200 GPUs, largely driven by R&D application of AI.
Speaker #3: In R&D, we are embedding AI across discovery, development, regulatory, and medical to increase productivity and accelerate the pipeline and timelines. AI is optimizing supply planning and manufacturing, contributing to our manufacturing optimization program goals.
Speaker #3: In commercial, AI is helping to accelerate new product launches, delivering insights for dynamic targeting, and supporting personalized messaging and real-time marketing content. So with that, and after I describe the four priorities, which describe the full picture of what we plan to do in 2026, I will turn it over to Chris to discuss the news of the day, which is the Matera long-acting announcement of Vesper 3.
Speaker #3: Chris.
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Vamil Divan: Thank you, Albert. It is my pleasure to discuss the VESPER-3 study results today and provide more color to our press release this morning. These data are an important advancement in our obesity portfolio because they increase significantly our confidence in the phase 3 monthly dosing study that we expect to start later this year. To start, I'd like to review how the structure of 3944 drives its long half-life. Prior GLP-1 receptor agonists that rely on albumin binding to extend half-life required dissociation from the albumin protein for optimal receptor engagement. 3944 binds the GLP-1 receptor while still bound to albumin due to lipidation at the terminal end of the amino acid chain rather than the middle. This allows for reduced clearance without reduced receptor engagement, resulting in a half-life exceeding other agents that require albumin dissociation for binding.
Chris Boshoff: Thank you, Albert. It is my pleasure to discuss the VESPER-3 study results today and provide more color to our press release this morning. These data are an important advancement in our obesity portfolio because they increase significantly our confidence in the phase 3 monthly dosing study that we expect to start later this year. To start, I'd like to review how the structure of 3944 drives its long half-life. Prior GLP-1 receptor agonists that rely on albumin binding to extend half-life required dissociation from the albumin protein for optimal receptor engagement. 3944 binds the GLP-1 receptor while still bound to albumin due to lipidation at the terminal end of the amino acid chain rather than the middle. This allows for reduced clearance without reduced receptor engagement, resulting in a half-life exceeding other agents that require albumin dissociation for binding.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Albert. It is my pleasure to discuss the Vesper 3 study results today and provide more color to our press release this morning. These data are an important advancement in our obesity portfolio because they significantly increase our confidence in the phase III monthly dosing study that we expect to start later this year.
Speaker #2: To start, I’d like to review how the structure of PF3944 drives this long half-life. Prior GLP-1 receptor agonists that rely on albumin binding to extend half-life require dissociation from the albumin protein for optimal receptor engagement.
Speaker #2: 3944 binds the GLP-1 receptor while still bound to albumin due to lipidation of the terminal end of the amino acid chain, rather than the middle.
Speaker #2: This allows for reduced clearance without reduced receptor engagement, resulting in a half-life exceeding other agents that require albumin dissociation for binding. A key differentiator of 3944 is its extended half-life, which supports monthly dosing.
Vamil Divan: A key differentiator of 3944 is its extended half-life, which supports monthly dosing. Furthermore, given 3944's length of 41 amino acids, the molecule is considered a biologic and would be eligible for regulatory review via the BLA pathway. The right side of the slide shows previously reported data from the phase 2b VESPER-1 study evaluating 3944 dosed weekly and without titration. These data show dose-dependent placebo-adjusted weight loss of up to 14.1% at week 28, demonstrating the molecule's potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among mono-agonists. In our currently ongoing weekly phase 3 study of 3944, VESPER-4, we are also testing a higher dose of 2.4 milligrams weekly. With VESPER-3, we aim to achieve two key objectives.
A key differentiator of 3944 is its extended half-life, which supports monthly dosing. Furthermore, given 3944's length of 41 amino acids, the molecule is considered a biologic and would be eligible for regulatory review via the BLA pathway. The right side of the slide shows previously reported data from the phase 2b VESPER-1 study evaluating 3944 dosed weekly and without titration. These data show dose-dependent placebo-adjusted weight loss of up to 14.1% at week 28, demonstrating the molecule's potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among mono-agonists. In our currently ongoing weekly phase 3 study of 3944, VESPER-4, we are also testing a higher dose of 2.4 milligrams weekly. With VESPER-3, we aim to achieve two key objectives.
Speaker #2: Furthermore, given 3944's length of 41 amino acids, the molecule is considered a biologic and would be eligible for regulatory review via the BLA pathway.
Speaker #2: The right side of the slide shows previously reported data from the phase IIB Vesper 1 study evaluating 3944 dosed weekly and without titration. These data show dose-dependent placebo-adjusted weight loss of up to 14.1% at week 28, demonstrating the molecule's potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among monoagonists.
Speaker #2: In our currently ongoing weekly Phase III study of 3,944 Vesper 4, we are also testing a higher dose of 2.4 milligrams weekly. With Vesper 3, we aim to achieve two key objectives.
Speaker #2: First, to demonstrate that we could achieve continued weight loss when switching from weekly to monthly subcutaneous injections and maintain 3944's efficacy while reducing the dosing frequency fourfold.
Vamil Divan: First, to demonstrate that we could achieve continued weight loss when switching from weekly to monthly subcutaneous injections and maintain 3944's efficacy while reducing the dosing frequency four-fold. And second, to demonstrate that 3944 could switch to a four-fold equivalent monthly dose while maintaining a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile. Today, I will walk you through these data, which demonstrate we've successfully achieved both. The VESPER-3 phase 2b study was designed to evaluate 3944 with monthly maintenance dosing following a titration period of up to 12 weeks. The study compares four different dosing regimens versus placebo with a pre-specified interim tolerability analysis at week 12 and a primary reporting milestone at week 28. Arm 1 and Arm 3 are low and medium dose regimens that we plan to advance to phase 3, and these two study arms are the focus of the data we are sharing today.
First, to demonstrate that we could achieve continued weight loss when switching from weekly to monthly subcutaneous injections and maintain 3944's efficacy while reducing the dosing frequency four-fold. And second, to demonstrate that 3944 could switch to a four-fold equivalent monthly dose while maintaining a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile. Today, I will walk you through these data, which demonstrate we've successfully achieved both. The VESPER-3 phase 2b study was designed to evaluate 3944 with monthly maintenance dosing following a titration period of up to 12 weeks. The study compares four different dosing regimens versus placebo with a pre-specified interim tolerability analysis at week 12 and a primary reporting milestone at week 28. Arm 1 and Arm 3 are low and medium dose regimens that we plan to advance to phase 3, and these two study arms are the focus of the data we are sharing today.
Speaker #2: And second, to demonstrate that 3944 could switch to a fourfold equivalent monthly dose while maintaining a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile. Today, I will walk you through these data which demonstrate we've successfully achieved both.
Speaker #2: The Vesper 3 Phase IIb study was designed to evaluate 3944 with monthly maintenance dosing following a titration period of up to 12 weeks. The study compares four different dosing regimens versus placebo, with a pre-specified interim tolerability analysis at week 12 and a primary reporting milestone at week 28.
Speaker #2: On one and on three are low and medium-dose regimens that we plan to advance to phase III, and these two study arms are the focus of the data we are sharing today.
Speaker #2: Starting with our first objective, I'm pleased to share that we observe robust, statistically significant weight loss across all doses tested. At week 28, placebo-adjusted weight loss was 10.0% and 12.3% for our planned low and medium Phase III doses, respectively.
Vamil Divan: Starting with our first objective, I'm pleased to share that we observed robust, statistically significant weight loss across all doses tested. At week 28, placebo-adjusted weight loss was 10% and 12.3% for our planned low and medium phase 3 doses, respectively. These results are shown in the blue bars and represent the trial's efficacy estimate. In the teal bars are model predictions of the potential efficacy we would expect with monthly maintenance dosing of 3944 in a study of adults with obesity or overweight and without type 2 diabetes, similar to VESPER-3. A model-based meta-analysis approach was used to generate these predictions. This approach uses a mathematical model to capture the weight loss trajectory over time and the dose-response relationship.
Starting with our first objective, I'm pleased to share that we observed robust, statistically significant weight loss across all doses tested. At week 28, placebo-adjusted weight loss was 10% and 12.3% for our planned low and medium phase 3 doses, respectively. These results are shown in the blue bars and represent the trial's efficacy estimate. In the teal bars are model predictions of the potential efficacy we would expect with monthly maintenance dosing of 3944 in a study of adults with obesity or overweight and without type 2 diabetes, similar to VESPER-3. A model-based meta-analysis approach was used to generate these predictions. This approach uses a mathematical model to capture the weight loss trajectory over time and the dose-response relationship.
Speaker #2: These results are shown in the blue bars and represent the trial's efficacy estimate. In the teal bars are model predictions of the potential efficacy we would expect with monthly maintenance dosing of 3944 in a study of adults with type 2 diabetes, similar to Vesper, obesity or overweight, and without 3.
Speaker #2: A model-based meta-analysis approach was used to generate these predictions. This approach uses a mathematical module to capture the weight loss trajectory over time and the dose-response relationship.
Speaker #2: This model was built taking into account the observed data from the Vesper 3 trial, the available data from 3,944 other clinical studies, and data from published trials of other weight loss therapies.
Vamil Divan: This model was built taking into account the observed data from the VESPER-3 trial, the available data from other 3944 clinical studies, and data from published trials of other weight loss. For the low and medium dose regimens, we see excellent concordance between our VESPER-3 clinical data in blue and our model predictions in teal. Applying the same model to project the potential efficacy of the planned phase 3 high dose regimen of 9.6mg monthly, we predict placebo-adjusted weight loss of nearly 16% at week 28. Note, the high dose is already being studied in the VESPER-4 phase 3 study as a 2.4mg weekly dose. Collectively, our clinical data and model predictions show that 3944 can deliver robust weight loss after switching to monthly administration and suggest that we can potentially achieve increased efficacy with a higher dose.
This model was built taking into account the observed data from the VESPER-3 trial, the available data from other 3944 clinical studies, and data from published trials of other weight loss. For the low and medium dose regimens, we see excellent concordance between our VESPER-3 clinical data in blue and our model predictions in teal. Applying the same model to project the potential efficacy of the planned phase 3 high dose regimen of 9.6mg monthly, we predict placebo-adjusted weight loss of nearly 16% at week 28. Note, the high dose is already being studied in the VESPER-4 phase 3 study as a 2.4mg weekly dose. Collectively, our clinical data and model predictions show that 3944 can deliver robust weight loss after switching to monthly administration and suggest that we can potentially achieve increased efficacy with a higher dose.
Speaker #2: For the low and medium-dose regimens, we see excellent concordance between our Vesper 3 clinical data in blue and our model predictions in teal. Applying the same model to project the potential efficacy of the planned phase III high-dose regimen of 9.6 milligrams monthly, we predict placebo-adjusted weight loss of nearly 16% at week 28.
Speaker #2: Note the high dose is already being studied in the Vesper 4 Phase III study as a 2.4 mg weekly dose. Collectively, our clinical data and model predictions show that 3944 can deliver robust weight loss after switching to monthly administration and suggest that we can potentially achieve increased efficacy with a higher dose.
Speaker #2: Moreover, Vesper 3 data do not show a weight loss plateau reached at week 28. Projecting continued weight loss is expected as the study continues through week 64.
Vamil Divan: Moreover, VESPER-3 data do not show a weight loss plateau reached at week 28. Projecting continued weight loss is expected as the study continues through week 64. With these results, we are confident that 3944 has the potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among mono-agonists with a differentiated monthly dosing format. Next, I'll turn your attention to the second objective of VESPER-3, demonstrating a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile for 3944 when switching to a 4-fold equivalent monthly dose. Similar to our first objective, I'm pleased to report that Year 2, 3944 delivered. In VESPER-3, 3944 displayed a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile that is consistent with what has been observed with weekly GLP-1 receptor agonists.
Moreover, VESPER-3 data do not show a weight loss plateau reached at week 28. Projecting continued weight loss is expected as the study continues through week 64. With these results, we are confident that 3944 has the potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among mono-agonists with a differentiated monthly dosing format. Next, I'll turn your attention to the second objective of VESPER-3, demonstrating a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile for 3944 when switching to a 4-fold equivalent monthly dose. Similar to our first objective, I'm pleased to report that Year 2, 3944 delivered. In VESPER-3, 3944 displayed a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile that is consistent with what has been observed with weekly GLP-1 receptor agonists.
Speaker #2: With these results, we are confident that 3944 has the potential to deliver efficacy that is competitive with the standard of care and potentially best-in-class among monoagonists, with a differentiated monthly dosing format.
Speaker #2: Next, I'll turn your attention to the second objective of Vesper 3, demonstrating a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile for 3944 when switching to a fourfold equivalent monthly dose.
Speaker #2: Similar to our first objective, I'm pleased to report that here too, 3944 delivered. In Vesper 3, 3944 displayed a well-tolerated and favorable safety profile that is consistent with what has been observed with weekly GLP-1 receptor agonists.
Speaker #2: Observed gastrointestinal treatment-emergent adverse events were predominantly mild or moderate, with no more than one instance of severe nausea or vomiting in any dose group, and no instances of severe diarrhea.
Vamil Divan: Observed gastrointestinal treatment emergent adverse events were predominantly mild or moderate, with no more than 1 instance of severe nausea or vomiting in any dose group and no instances of severe diarrhea. Treatment discontinuation rates for VESPER-3's weekly and monthly phases both show a compelling profile. Across the dose regimens planned for inclusion in phase 3, 5 participants discontinued due to adverse events in each of the weekly and monthly phases. There were no discontinuations due to adverse events in the placebo group. We're encouraged by these results as they serve as an important proof of concept for the delivery of our 4-fold equivalent monthly dose that maintains competitive tolerability, particularly given the study protocol did not permit down titration.
Observed gastrointestinal treatment emergent adverse events were predominantly mild or moderate, with no more than 1 instance of severe nausea or vomiting in any dose group and no instances of severe diarrhea. Treatment discontinuation rates for VESPER-3's weekly and monthly phases both show a compelling profile. Across the dose regimens planned for inclusion in phase 3, 5 participants discontinued due to adverse events in each of the weekly and monthly phases. There were no discontinuations due to adverse events in the placebo group. We're encouraged by these results as they serve as an important proof of concept for the delivery of our 4-fold equivalent monthly dose that maintains competitive tolerability, particularly given the study protocol did not permit down titration.
Speaker #2: Treatment discontinuation rates for Vesper 3's weekly and monthly phases both show a compelling profile. Across the dose regimens planned for inclusion in phase III, five participants discontinued due to adverse events in each of the weekly and monthly phases, there were no discontinuations due to adverse events in the placebo group.
Speaker #2: We encouraged by these results, as they serve as an important proof of concept for the delivery of our fourfold equivalent monthly dose that maintains competitive tolerability particularly given the study protocol did not permit down-titration.
Vamil Divan: The totality of tolerability data support our plans to evaluate a higher monthly dose of 9.6mg in phase 3, which is the monthly equivalent to the 2.4mg weekly dose currently being studied in the ongoing VESPER-4 trial. Today's encouraging results bolster our expansive obesity program. This year, we plan to advance 20+ obesity trials, including 10 phase 3 studies of 3944 that span chronic weight management, obesity-associated comorbidities, and opportunities to increase patient optionality and access. We are targeting the first of a series of potential approvals in 2028. Looking to our earlier stage programs, we are enthusiastic about phase 2 studies with our ultra-long-acting amylin analog, which we believe has the potential for class-leading efficacy and combinability with 3944 in a monthly dosing format. We previously reported positive early data from the single ascending dose combination study, which showed well-tolerated starting doses and additive weight loss.
The totality of tolerability data support our plans to evaluate a higher monthly dose of 9.6mg in phase 3, which is the monthly equivalent to the 2.4mg weekly dose currently being studied in the ongoing VESPER-4 trial. Today's encouraging results bolster our expansive obesity program. This year, we plan to advance 20+ obesity trials, including 10 phase 3 studies of 3944 that span chronic weight management, obesity-associated comorbidities, and opportunities to increase patient optionality and access. We are targeting the first of a series of potential approvals in 2028. Looking to our earlier stage programs, we are enthusiastic about phase 2 studies with our ultra-long-acting amylin analog, which we believe has the potential for class-leading efficacy and combinability with 3944 in a monthly dosing format. We previously reported positive early data from the single ascending dose combination study, which showed well-tolerated starting doses and additive weight loss.
Speaker #2: The totality of tolerability data supports our plans to evaluate a higher monthly dose of 9.6 milligrams in Phase 2. A 2.4 milligram weekly dose, which is the monthly equivalent, is currently being studied in the ongoing Vesper 4 trial.
Speaker #2: Today's encouraging results bolster our expansive obesity program. This year, we plan to advance 20-plus obesity trials, including 10 phase III studies of 3944 that span chronic weight management, obesity-associated comorbidities, and opportunities to and access.
Speaker #2: Increase patient optionality. We are targeting the first of a series of potential approvals in 2028. Looking to our earliest stage programs, we are enthusiastic about Phase II studies with our ultra-long-acting Amylan analog, which we believe has the potential for class-leading efficacy and combinability with 3944 in a monthly dosing format.
Speaker #2: We previously reported positive early data from the single ascending dose combination study, which showed well-tolerated starting doses and additive weight loss. We plan to show updated combination data later this year.
Vamil Divan: We plan to show updated combination data later this year. We continue to advance our potentially first-in-class oral GIPR antagonist that is in phase 2 and additional phase 1 studies of agents with diverse modalities and mechanisms. These include an injectable ultra-long-acting GIPR agonist, a potential quarterly dose injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist, and oral candidates. To summarize, today's results are clear. VESPER-3 achieved its two main objectives, reinforcing 3944's potentially potent and tolerable monthly profile. The ultra-long-acting GLP-1 receptor agonist serves as a foundation to our differentiated investigational obesity portfolio, delivering robust weight loss with no plateau observed at week 28 in VESPER-3 while also maintaining competitive tolerability when switching to a four-fold equivalent monthly dose. We are primed to execute across an expansive phase 3 program of 3944, targeting potential approvals starting in 2028.
We plan to show updated combination data later this year. We continue to advance our potentially first-in-class oral GIPR antagonist that is in phase 2 and additional phase 1 studies of agents with diverse modalities and mechanisms. These include an injectable ultra-long-acting GIPR agonist, a potential quarterly dose injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist, and oral candidates. To summarize, today's results are clear. VESPER-3 achieved its two main objectives, reinforcing 3944's potentially potent and tolerable monthly profile. The ultra-long-acting GLP-1 receptor agonist serves as a foundation to our differentiated investigational obesity portfolio, delivering robust weight loss with no plateau observed at week 28 in VESPER-3 while also maintaining competitive tolerability when switching to a four-fold equivalent monthly dose. We are primed to execute across an expansive phase 3 program of 3944, targeting potential approvals starting in 2028.
Speaker #2: We continue to advance our potentially first-in-class oral GIPA antagonist that is in phase II and additional phase I studies of agents with diverse modalities and mechanisms.
Speaker #2: These include an injectable ultra-long-acting GIP/GLP-1 agonist, a potential quarterly-dose injectable GLP-1 receptor agonist, and oral candidates. To summarize, today's results are clear. Vesper 3 achieved its two main objectives: reinforcing 3944's potentially potent and tolerable monthly profile, and establishing the ultra-long-acting GLP-1 receptor agonist as a foundation for our differentiated investigational obesity portfolio—delivering robust weight loss with no plateau observed at week 28 in Vesper 3, while also maintaining competitive tolerability when switching to a fourfold equivalent monthly dose.
Speaker #2: We are primed to execute across an expansive phase III program of 3,944, targeting potential approvals starting in 2028. And we are pursuing differentiated combination approaches with earliest stage agents that have the potential to deliver greater optionality to address the diverse and unmet needs of patients.
Vamil Divan: We are pursuing differentiated combination approaches with earlier stage agents that have the potential to deliver greater optionality to address the diverse unmet needs of patients. With that, I'll turn it back to Albert.
We are pursuing differentiated combination approaches with earlier stage agents that have the potential to deliver greater optionality to address the diverse unmet needs of patients. With that, I'll turn it back to Albert.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it back to Albert. Oh, thank you, Chris. And I just wanted to say that today's results provide a compelling validation of our unique, proprietary ultra-long-acting peptide platform.
Operator: Oh, thank you, Chris. And I just wanted to say that today's results provide a compelling validation of our unique proprietary ultra-long-acting peptide platform. For the first time, we have shown that the GLP-1 receptor agonist peptides can be administered monthly while maintaining the potential for competitive efficacy and safety. We are pleased with this important milestone for the platform that reinforces both the differentiation of our technology and the significant long-term value creation opportunity that represents. And with that, now I will turn it over to Dave that he will discuss the excellent results of the quarter. So, Dave.
Albert Bourla: Oh, thank you, Chris. And I just wanted to say that today's results provide a compelling validation of our unique proprietary ultra-long-acting peptide platform. For the first time, we have shown that the GLP-1 receptor agonist peptides can be administered monthly while maintaining the potential for competitive efficacy and safety. We are pleased with this important milestone for the platform that reinforces both the differentiation of our technology and the significant long-term value creation opportunity that represents. And with that, now I will turn it over to Dave that he will discuss the excellent results of the quarter. So, Dave.
Speaker #2: For the first time, we have shown that GLP-1 receptor agonist peptides can be administered monthly while maintaining the potential for competitive efficacy and safety.
Speaker #2: We are pleased with this important milestone for the platform that reinforces both the differentiation of our technology and the significant long-term value creation opportunity that it represents.
Speaker #2: And with that, now I will turn it over to Dave that he will discuss the excellent results of the quarter.
Speaker #2: So, Dave. Great.
David Denton: Great. Thank you, Chris and Albert, and good morning, everyone. Let me begin today by highlighting that our strong financial performance for both the fourth quarter and the full year directly reflects our continued disciplined execution of our key strategic priorities. We resolved certain and significant uncertainties in our business and made strategic investments aimed at driving revenue growth later this decade and beyond. Looking ahead, Pfizer's approaching an exciting phase where recently launched and acquired products and a strong pipeline are anticipated to spur growth towards the end of this decade. With that said, this morning, I'll provide our full year and fourth quarter 2024 full year and fourth quarter 2025 results. Then I'll touch on our cost improvement initiatives as well as our capital allocation priorities. I'll finish with a few comments on our 2026 guidance, which we are reaffirming today.
David Denton: Great. Thank you, Chris and Albert, and good morning, everyone. Let me begin today by highlighting that our strong financial performance for both the fourth quarter and the full year directly reflects our continued disciplined execution of our key strategic priorities. We resolved certain and significant uncertainties in our business and made strategic investments aimed at driving revenue growth later this decade and beyond. Looking ahead, Pfizer's approaching an exciting phase where recently launched and acquired products and a strong pipeline are anticipated to spur growth towards the end of this decade. With that said, this morning, I'll provide our full year and fourth quarter 2024 full year and fourth quarter 2025 results. Then I'll touch on our cost improvement initiatives as well as our capital allocation priorities. I'll finish with a few comments on our 2026 guidance, which we are reaffirming today.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Chris and Albert, and good morning, everyone. Let me begin today by highlighting that our strong financial performance for both the fourth quarter and the full year directly reflects our continued disciplined execution of our key strategic priorities.
Speaker #3: We resolved certain and significant uncertainties in our business and made strategic investments aimed at driving revenue growth later this decade and beyond. Looking ahead, Pfizer is approaching an exciting phase where recently launched and acquired products, and a strong pipeline, are anticipated to spur growth towards the end of this decade.
Speaker #3: With that said, this morning I'll provide our full year and fourth quarter 2025 results, then I'll touch on our cost improvement initiatives, as well as our capital allocation priorities.
Speaker #3: I'll finish with a few comments on our '26 guidance, which we are reaffirming today. For the full year 2025, we recorded revenues of $62.6 billion versus $63.6 billion last year, representing a 2% operational decline.
David Denton: For the full year 2025, we recorded revenues of $62.6 billion versus $63.6 billion last year, representing a 2% operational decline. Importantly, our operational revenue growth, when excluding contributions from our COVID-19 projects, was 6%. Full year 2025, adjusted gross margins expanded to 76%, in line with our expectations. We will continue to drive cost improvements going forward across our manufacturing network. On the bottom line, we reported full year 2025 diluted EPS of $1.36 versus $1.41 last year and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $3.22 versus $3.11 LY, ahead of expectations. Pfizer's recently launched and acquired set of products delivered $10.2 billion in revenues for the full year of 2025 while growing approximately 14% operationally versus last year.
For the full year 2025, we recorded revenues of $62.6 billion versus $63.6 billion last year, representing a 2% operational decline. Importantly, our operational revenue growth, when excluding contributions from our COVID-19 projects, was 6%. Full year 2025, adjusted gross margins expanded to 76%, in line with our expectations. We will continue to drive cost improvements going forward across our manufacturing network. On the bottom line, we reported full year 2025 diluted EPS of $1.36 versus $1.41 last year and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $3.22 versus $3.11 LY, ahead of expectations. Pfizer's recently launched and acquired set of products delivered $10.2 billion in revenues for the full year of 2025 while growing approximately 14% operationally versus last year.
Speaker #3: Importantly, our operational revenue growth went up, excluding contributions from our COVID-19 products, or 6%. For the full year 2025, adjusted gross margins expanded to 76%, in line with our expectations.
Speaker #3: We will continue to drive cost improvements going forward across our manufacturing network. And on the bottom line, we reported full-year 2025 diluted EPS of $1.36 versus $1.41 last year, and adjusted diluted earnings per share of $3.22 versus $3.11 last year, ahead of expectations.
Speaker #3: Pfizer's recently launched and acquired set of products delivered 10.2 billion dollars in revenues for the full year of '25, while growing approximately 14% operationally versus last year.
David Denton: We plan to continue to invest behind these two product groups to drive their future performance to enable the company to partially offset our LOEs over the next several years. Now, turning to the fourth quarter of 2025, we recorded revenues of $17.6 billion, a decrease of 3% operationally versus the same period of LY, largely driven by an approximate 40% operational year-over-year decline in our COVID products. The decline was primarily due to committees receiving a narrow recommendation for vaccines in the US and Paxlovid, which experienced reduced demand from lower infection rates. Having said that, our non-COVID product performance was solid, growing 9% operationally versus the same period of last year. Our results demonstrate the effectiveness of a refined commercial strategy. We saw solid contributions across our product portfolio, primarily driven by Abrysvo, Eliquis, Prevnar, and the Vyndaqel family.
We plan to continue to invest behind these two product groups to drive their future performance to enable the company to partially offset our LOEs over the next several years. Now, turning to the fourth quarter of 2025, we recorded revenues of $17.6 billion, a decrease of 3% operationally versus the same period of LY, largely driven by an approximate 40% operational year-over-year decline in our COVID products. The decline was primarily due to committees receiving a narrow recommendation for vaccines in the US and Paxlovid, which experienced reduced demand from lower infection rates. Having said that, our non-COVID product performance was solid, growing 9% operationally versus the same period of last year. Our results demonstrate the effectiveness of a refined commercial strategy. We saw solid contributions across our product portfolio, primarily driven by Abrysvo, Eliquis, Prevnar, and the Vyndaqel family.
Speaker #3: We plan to continue to invest behind these two product groups to drive their future performance to enable the company to partially offset our LOEs over the next several years.
Speaker #3: Now, turning to the fourth quarter of '25, we recorded revenues of $17.6 billion, a decrease of 3% operationally versus the same period of last year, largely driven by an approximate 40% operational year-over-year decline in our COVID products.
Speaker #3: The decline was primarily due to commodities receiving a narrow recommendation for vaccines in the US and Paxlovid, which experienced reduced demand from lower infection rates.
Speaker #3: Having said that, our non-COVID product performance was solid, growing 9% operationally versus the same period of last year. Our results demonstrate the effectiveness of a refined commercial strategy.
Speaker #3: We saw solid contributions across our product portfolio, primarily driven by Abrisvo, Eliquis, Prevnar, and the Vindicare family. Adjusted gross margin for the fourth quarter was approximately 71%, primarily reflecting the product mix in the quarter, including lower commodity sales versus fourth quarter of '24, as well as continued strong cost management.
David Denton: Adjusted gross margin for the fourth quarter was approximately 71%, primarily reflecting the product mix in the quarter, including lower commodity sales versus fourth quarter of 2024, as well as continued strong cost management. Future improvements in our manufacturing footprint remain a top priority going forward. As a reminder, over the past two years, our adjusted gross margins have generally remained in the mid to upper 70s, excluding commodity, which has a 50/50 profit split with our partner BioNTech. We achieved approximately $600 million in savings from phase 1 of our manufacturing optimization program through 2025, with additional savings expected in 2026 and 2027. Total adjusted operating expenses were $7.4 billion for the fourth quarter of 2025, in line with last year.
Adjusted gross margin for the fourth quarter was approximately 71%, primarily reflecting the product mix in the quarter, including lower commodity sales versus fourth quarter of 2024, as well as continued strong cost management. Future improvements in our manufacturing footprint remain a top priority going forward. As a reminder, over the past two years, our adjusted gross margins have generally remained in the mid to upper 70s, excluding commodity, which has a 50/50 profit split with our partner BioNTech. We achieved approximately $600 million in savings from phase 1 of our manufacturing optimization program through 2025, with additional savings expected in 2026 and 2027. Total adjusted operating expenses were $7.4 billion for the fourth quarter of 2025, in line with last year.
Speaker #3: Future improvements in our manufacturing footprint remained a top priority going forward. As a reminder, over the past two years, our adjusted gross margins have generally remained in the mid to upper 70s.
Speaker #3: Excluding commodity, which has a 50/50 profit split with our partner BioNTech, we achieved approximately 600 million dollars in savings from phase one of our manufacturing optimization program through 2025, with additional savings expected in 26 and 27.
Speaker #3: Total adjusted operating expenses were 7.4 billion for the fourth quarter of '25, in line with last year. But looking at the components, adjusted SIN expenses decreased 5% operationally, primarily driven by focused investments and ongoing productivity improvements that drove a decrease in marketing and promotional spend for various products, and lower spending in corporate enabling functions.
David Denton: But looking at the components, adjusted SG&A expenses decreased 5% operationally, primarily driven by focused investments and ongoing productivity improvements that drove a decrease in marketing and promotional spend for various products, and lower spending in corporate enabling functions. Adjusted R&D expense increased 4% operationally, primarily driven by an increase in spending in oncology and obesity product candidates, partially offset by a net decrease in spending due to pipeline focus and optimization, including the expansion of our digital capabilities. Now, turning to the bottom line, in the fourth quarter, our reported diluted GAAP performance was a loss per share of $0.29. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share performance was a profit of $0.66, ahead of our expectations due to our overall gross margin and cost management performance.
But looking at the components, adjusted SG&A expenses decreased 5% operationally, primarily driven by focused investments and ongoing productivity improvements that drove a decrease in marketing and promotional spend for various products, and lower spending in corporate enabling functions. Adjusted R&D expense increased 4% operationally, primarily driven by an increase in spending in oncology and obesity product candidates, partially offset by a net decrease in spending due to pipeline focus and optimization, including the expansion of our digital capabilities. Now, turning to the bottom line, in the fourth quarter, our reported diluted GAAP performance was a loss per share of $0.29. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share performance was a profit of $0.66, ahead of our expectations due to our overall gross margin and cost management performance.
Speaker #3: Adjusted R&D expense increased 4% operationally, primarily driven by an increase in spending in oncology and obesity product candidates, partially offset by a net decrease in spending due to pipeline focus and optimization, including the expansion of our digital capabilities.
Speaker #3: Now, turning to the bottom line, in the fourth quarter, our reported diluted gap performance was a loss per share of 29 cents. Our adjusted diluted earnings per share performance was a profit of 66 cents, ahead of our expectations due to our overall gross margin and cost management performance.
David Denton: In support of our goal to enhance R&D productivity and focus on high-impact medicines, our Q4 GAAP results reflect strategic decisions in our development plans and updated long-range revenue forecasts for certain products and pipeline assets. As a result, we recorded approximately $4.4 billion of non-cash and tangible asset impairments related to several medicines in development as well as in-line products. It is important to note that one of the asset indications we deprioritized was disitamab vedotin in bladder cancer. It is largely a result of the recently strong study readouts, expanded indications, and related higher long-term revenue projections for PADCEV. PADCEV is an asset we will continue to invest behind, and thus diminishing the value of DV in bladder cancer. I will also mention, while impairment decisions are based on current valuations of individual assets, overall, the Seagen portfolio is progressing ahead of our expectations.
In support of our goal to enhance R&D productivity and focus on high-impact medicines, our Q4 GAAP results reflect strategic decisions in our development plans and updated long-range revenue forecasts for certain products and pipeline assets. As a result, we recorded approximately $4.4 billion of non-cash and tangible asset impairments related to several medicines in development as well as in-line products. It is important to note that one of the asset indications we deprioritized was disitamab vedotin in bladder cancer. It is largely a result of the recently strong study readouts, expanded indications, and related higher long-term revenue projections for PADCEV. PADCEV is an asset we will continue to invest behind, and thus diminishing the value of DV in bladder cancer. I will also mention, while impairment decisions are based on current valuations of individual assets, overall, the Seagen portfolio is progressing ahead of our expectations.
Speaker #3: In support of our goal to enhance R&D productivity and focus on high-impact medicines, our fourth quarter gap results reflect strategic decisions in our development plans and updated long-range revenue forecasts for certain products and pipeline assets.
Speaker #3: As a result, we recorded approximately 4.4 billion of non-cash and tangible asset impairments related to several medicines in development, as well as inline products.
Speaker #3: It is important to note that one of the asset indications we deprioritized was Dicitamab Vidotin in bladder cancer. It is largely the result of the recently strong study readouts expanded indications and related higher long-term revenue projections for Paxev.
Speaker #3: Paxev is an asset we will continue to invest behind, and thus diminishing the value of DV in bladder cancer. I will also mention while impairment decisions are based on current valuations of individual assets, overall, the seizure portfolio is progressing ahead of our expectations.
Speaker #3: These decisions highlight our focus on delivering future growth as well as innovation. We are on track to deliver the majority of the anticipated $7.2 billion in total net cost savings from our productivity programs by the end of 2026.
David Denton: These decisions highlight our focus on delivering future growth as well as innovation. We are on track to deliver the majority of the anticipated $7.2 billion in total net cost savings from our productivity programs by the end of 2026. We expect additional savings of $700 million in 2026 and $200 million in 2027 from phase one of the manufacturing optimization program for a total of $1.5 billion in savings by the end of 2027. In addition, we exceeded our savings targets through 2025 from our cost realignment program. As we previously communicate, the R&D savings achieved in 2025 under the cost realignment program is expected to be reinvested in 2026 and is reflected in our 2026 R&D guidance range.
These decisions highlight our focus on delivering future growth as well as innovation. We are on track to deliver the majority of the anticipated $7.2 billion in total net cost savings from our productivity programs by the end of 2026. We expect additional savings of $700 million in 2026 and $200 million in 2027 from phase one of the manufacturing optimization program for a total of $1.5 billion in savings by the end of 2027. In addition, we exceeded our savings targets through 2025 from our cost realignment program. As we previously communicate, the R&D savings achieved in 2025 under the cost realignment program is expected to be reinvested in 2026 and is reflected in our 2026 R&D guidance range.
Speaker #3: We expect additional savings of 700 million dollars in '26 and 200 million in '27 from phase one of the manufacturing optimization program for a total of 1.5 billion dollars in savings by the end of '27.
Speaker #3: In addition, we exceeded our savings targets through '25 from our cost realignment program. And as we previously communicate, the R&D savings achieved in '25 is expected to be reinvested under the cost realignment program in '26 and is reflected in our '26 R&D guidance range.
Speaker #3: We remain committed to achieving the expected 5.7 billion dollars of total net savings from our cost realignment program by the end of '26, at which time we will have met our savings commitment under the program.
David Denton: We remain committed to achieving the expected $5.7 billion of total net savings from our cost realignment program by the end of 2026, at which time we will have met our savings commitment under the program. Going forward, we will continue to focus on identifying further productivity opportunities and efficiencies. Now, let me quickly touch upon our capital allocation strategy, which is designed to enhance long-term shareholder value. Our strategy consists of maintaining and, over the long term, growing our dividend, reinvesting in our business at the appropriate level of financial return, and in the future, the potential to make value-enhancing share repurchases. In 2025, we'll return $9.8 billion to shareholders via the quarterly dividend, invested $10.4 billion in internal R&D, and invested approximately $8.8 billion in business development transactions, primarily reflecting the Metsera acquisition and the 3SBio licensing deal.
We remain committed to achieving the expected $5.7 billion of total net savings from our cost realignment program by the end of 2026, at which time we will have met our savings commitment under the program. Going forward, we will continue to focus on identifying further productivity opportunities and efficiencies. Now, let me quickly touch upon our capital allocation strategy, which is designed to enhance long-term shareholder value. Our strategy consists of maintaining and, over the long term, growing our dividend, reinvesting in our business at the appropriate level of financial return, and in the future, the potential to make value-enhancing share repurchases. In 2025, we'll return $9.8 billion to shareholders via the quarterly dividend, invested $10.4 billion in internal R&D, and invested approximately $8.8 billion in business development transactions, primarily reflecting the Metsera acquisition and the 3SBio licensing deal.
Speaker #3: Going forward, we will continue to focus on identifying further productivity opportunities and efficiencies. Now, let me quickly touch upon our capital allocation strategy, which is designed to enhance long-term shareholder value.
Speaker #3: Our strategy consists of maintaining and over the long term, growing our dividend, reinvesting in our business at the appropriate level of financial return, and in the future, the potential to make value-enhancing share repurchases.
Speaker #3: And in '25, we'll return 9.8 billion dollars to shareholders via the quarterly dividend, invested 10.4 billion dollars in internal R&D, and invested approximately 8.8 billion in business development transactions, primarily reflecting the Metsera acquisition and the 3S Bio licensing deal.
Speaker #3: And as a reminder, our leverage is expected to end 2025 at near our 2.7 times target following the close of the Metsera transaction. However, given the next few years of LOE headwinds, we expect the leverage to remain at this current level or slightly higher through the LOE period.
David Denton: As a reminder, our leverage is expected to end 2025 at near our 2.7x target following the close of the Metsera transaction. However, given the next few years of LOE headwinds, we expect the leverage to remain at this current level or slightly higher through the LOE period. Additionally, the planned sale of our stake in V will further improve our balance sheet. When including the V proceeds, we have approximately $7 billion in BD capacity. Now, let me turn quickly to our full year 2026 guidance, again, which remains unchanged.
As a reminder, our leverage is expected to end 2025 at near our 2.7x target following the close of the Metsera transaction. However, given the next few years of LOE headwinds, we expect the leverage to remain at this current level or slightly higher through the LOE period. Additionally, the planned sale of our stake in V will further improve our balance sheet. When including the V proceeds, we have approximately $7 billion in BD capacity. Now, let me turn quickly to our full year 2026 guidance, again, which remains unchanged.
Speaker #3: Additionally, the planned sale of our stake in Vee will further improve our balance sheet. When including the Vee proceeds, we have approximately 7 billion dollars in BD capacity.
Speaker #3: Now, let me turn quickly to our full year 26 guidance, again, which remains unchanged. We expect total company full year 26 revenues to be in the range of 59 and a half to 62 and a half billion dollars, and full year 26 adjusted diluted earnings per share to be in the range of 2 dollars and 80 cents to 3 dollars a share, which reflects our expectations of strong contributions across our product portfolio, mid-70s adjusted gross margin, continued focus on strong cost management, all while prioritizing investments in our business to drive growth by the end of this decade.
David Denton: We expect total company full year 2026 revenues to be in the range of $59.5 to $62.5 billion, and full year 2026 adjusted diluted earnings per share to be in the range of $2.80 to $3 a share, which reflects our expectations of strong contributions across our product portfolio, mid-70s adjusted gross margin, continued focus on strong cost management, all while prioritizing investments in our business to drive growth by the end of this decade. Our COVID products are expected to trend lower again in 2026 with revenues of approximately $5 billion. We continue to expect stable revenue contributions from our non-COVID product portfolio, which incorporates an expectation of approximately $1.5 billion in revenue compression due to products impacted by anticipated generic entry in 2026. Revenues at the midpoint, excluding COVID and LOE products, are expected to grow approximately 4% operationally year-over-year.
We expect total company full year 2026 revenues to be in the range of $59.5 to $62.5 billion, and full year 2026 adjusted diluted earnings per share to be in the range of $2.80 to $3 a share, which reflects our expectations of strong contributions across our product portfolio, mid-70s adjusted gross margin, continued focus on strong cost management, all while prioritizing investments in our business to drive growth by the end of this decade. Our COVID products are expected to trend lower again in 2026 with revenues of approximately $5 billion. We continue to expect stable revenue contributions from our non-COVID product portfolio, which incorporates an expectation of approximately $1.5 billion in revenue compression due to products impacted by anticipated generic entry in 2026. Revenues at the midpoint, excluding COVID and LOE products, are expected to grow approximately 4% operationally year-over-year.
Speaker #3: Our COVID products are expected to trend lower again in '26, with revenues of approximately 5 billion dollars. We continue to expect stable revenue contributions from our non-COVID product portfolio, which incorporates an expectation of approximately 1.5 billion dollars in revenue compression due to products impacted by anticipated generic entry in '26.
Speaker #3: Revenues at the midpoint, excluding COVID and LOE products, are expected to grow approximately 4% operationally year over year. And lastly, I will mention that we will continue to monitor currency fluctuation as the year progresses.
David Denton: Lastly, I will mention that we will continue to monitor currency fluctuation as the year progresses. In closing, let me continue to emphasize that over the next few years, our focus is on investing in key assets and managing upcoming LOEs, mainly from 2026 through 2028. At the end of the decade, growth is expected to be driven by our advancing R&D pipeline, the business development initiatives we've already executed, and the ongoing progress of products we've recently launched or acquired. Our goal is to invest strategically, balancing cost savings with funding high-value products designed to ensure long-term and sustainable growth potential for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back to Albert and begin the Q&A.
Lastly, I will mention that we will continue to monitor currency fluctuation as the year progresses. In closing, let me continue to emphasize that over the next few years, our focus is on investing in key assets and managing upcoming LOEs, mainly from 2026 through 2028. At the end of the decade, growth is expected to be driven by our advancing R&D pipeline, the business development initiatives we've already executed, and the ongoing progress of products we've recently launched or acquired. Our goal is to invest strategically, balancing cost savings with funding high-value products designed to ensure long-term and sustainable growth potential for our shareholders. With that, I'll turn it back to Albert and begin the Q&A.
Speaker #3: In closing, let me continue to emphasize that over the next few years, our focus is on investing in key assets and managing upcoming LOEs.
Speaker #3: Mainly from 2026 through 2028. At the end of the decade, growth is expected to be driven by our advancing R&D pipeline, the business development initiatives we've already executed, and the ongoing progress of products we've recently launched or acquired.
Speaker #3: Our goal is to invest strategically, balancing cost savings with funding high-value products, designed to ensure long-term and sustainable growth potential for our shareholders. And with that, I'll turn it back to Albert and begin the Q&A.
Speaker #2: Thank you, David. Congratulations on an excellent quarter. Now, operator, please assemble the
Albert Bourla: Thank you, David. Congratulations for the next quarter. Now, operator, please assemble the queue.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, David. Congratulations for the next quarter. Now, operator, please assemble the queue.
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Operator: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, press star one on your keypad. To leave the queue at any time, press star two. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. Our first question will come from Chris Schott with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #3: ahead. Great.
Chris Schott: Great. Thanks so much for the question. Just had maybe a two-parter on the VESPER-3 data. I guess first, can you just elaborate any more on the tolerability you saw here? And maybe just specifically, is there anything more you can say about vomit rates or any differences you saw between the mild or moderate dosing arms? And then just maybe bigger picture, if we consider the two doses that are moving forward from VESPER-3, it seems like you have a drug that clearly has solid weight loss. It's got monthly dosing. At the same time, that weight loss might be a bit below what you saw at the weekly or Zepbound. I just want to get your views on what role you see that type of profile playing in the market. Thanks so much.
Christopher Schott: Great. Thanks so much for the question. Just had maybe a two-parter on the VESPER-3 data. I guess first, can you just elaborate any more on the tolerability you saw here? And maybe just specifically, is there anything more you can say about vomit rates or any differences you saw between the mild or moderate dosing arms? And then just maybe bigger picture, if we consider the two doses that are moving forward from VESPER-3, it seems like you have a drug that clearly has solid weight loss. It's got monthly dosing. At the same time, that weight loss might be a bit below what you saw at the weekly or Zepbound. I just want to get your views on what role you see that type of profile playing in the market. Thanks so much.
Speaker #4: Thanks so much for the question. Just had maybe a two-parter on the best for three data. I guess first, can you just elaborate any more on the tolerability you saw here and maybe just specifically is there anything more you can say about vomit rates or any differences you saw between the mild or moderate dosing arms?
Speaker #4: And then just maybe bigger picture, if we consider the two doses that are moving forward from best for three, it seems like you have a drug that clearly has solid weight loss.
Speaker #4: It’s got monthly dosing. At the same time, that weight loss might be a bit below what you saw with the weekly or ZEP-bound.
Speaker #4: I just want to get your views on what role you see that type of profile playing in the market. Thanks so much.
Speaker #2: Excellent. And of course, I will start with Chris, which I suspect will be the one who will receive most of the questions today, and I love it.
Albert Bourla: Excellent. And of course, I will start with Chris, which I suspect will be the one who will receive most of the questions today, and I love it. And then maybe we'll ask also the commercial guys to speak a little bit about it. So Chris, why don't you start?
Albert Bourla: Excellent. And of course, I will start with Chris, which I suspect will be the one who will receive most of the questions today, and I love it. And then maybe we'll ask also the commercial guys to speak a little bit about it. So Chris, why don't you start?
Speaker #2: And then maybe we'll ask also the commercial guys to speak a little bit about it. So Chris, why don't you start?
Speaker #5: Yes. It's time for the question. So obviously, we will share the full tolerability data at our oral presentation at ADA in June. We are really encouraged by the observed distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly, and you could have expected potentially that when patients switch to a four-fold higher dose, we're going to have a higher number of sudden discontinuations and nausea and vomiting we did not.
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thanks for the question. So obviously, we will share the full tolerability data at our oral presentation at ADA in June. We are really encouraged by the observed distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly. And you could have expected potentially that when patients switch to a four-fold higher dose, we're going to have a higher number of sudden discontinuations and nausea and vomiting. We did not. Nice distribution between the monthly as well as the weekly. Just to remember, for this study, there was no step-down titration that was allowed, which is unusual for obesity trials. But that will obviously not happen in the phase 3 study. We will allow down titration. Regarding the different doses, as we pointed out, low and medium was presented today.
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thanks for the question. So obviously, we will share the full tolerability data at our oral presentation at ADA in June. We are really encouraged by the observed distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly. And you could have expected potentially that when patients switch to a four-fold higher dose, we're going to have a higher number of sudden discontinuations and nausea and vomiting. We did not. Nice distribution between the monthly as well as the weekly. Just to remember, for this study, there was no step-down titration that was allowed, which is unusual for obesity trials. But that will obviously not happen in the phase 3 study. We will allow down titration. Regarding the different doses, as we pointed out, low and medium was presented today.
Speaker #5: Nicely distribution between the monthly as well as the weekly. Just to remember for this study, there was no step-down titration was allowed, which is unusual for obesity trials.
Speaker #5: But that will obviously not happen in the phase three study. We will allow down titration. Regarding the different doses, as we pointed out, low and medium was presented today.
Chris Boshoff: The higher dose is already being tested in VESPER-4 because previous prediction models indicated that it will be well tolerated and we should test 2.4mg weekly, which is happening now. In the monthly study, we'll test 9.6, as pointed out.
The higher dose is already being tested in VESPER-4 because previous prediction models indicated that it will be well tolerated and we should test 2.4mg weekly, which is happening now. In the monthly study, we'll test 9.6, as pointed out.
Speaker #5: The higher dose has already been tested in Best Before because previous prediction models indicated that it will be well tolerated, and we should test 2.4 milligrams weekly, which is happening now.
Speaker #5: And in the monthly study, we'll test 9.6 as pointed out.
Speaker #2: All right. Why don't we go I mean, how do you
Albert Bourla: All right. Why don't we go? I mean, how do you see this playing commercially?
Albert Bourla: All right. Why don't we go? I mean, how do you see this playing commercially?
Speaker #2: see this playing commercially? Yeah. And then Alexander.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah.
Albert Bourla: And then Alexander.
Albert Bourla: And then Alexander.
Speaker #5: I think when you look at the clinical data, I think what it suggests to us very clearly is that 3944 from an efficacy perspective has the potential to deliver efficacy that's competitive with a standard of care.
Alexandre de Germay: I think when you look at the clinical data, I think what it suggests to us very clearly is that 3944, from an efficacy perspective, has the potential to deliver efficacy that's competitive with the standard of care and potentially best in class against mono, I guess. So we think when you take that efficacy and then you combine it with a lower medication burden through a monthly dose, that's a value proposition that's going to resonate with patients, with providers, and with carers because persistency and simplicity matter. And it also gives us the opportunity to switch patients from weekly onto monthly therapy. So we think 3944 is going to be a compelling therapy, full stop.
Chris Boshoff: I think when you look at the clinical data, I think what it suggests to us very clearly is that 3944, from an efficacy perspective, has the potential to deliver efficacy that's competitive with the standard of care and potentially best in class against mono, I guess. So we think when you take that efficacy and then you combine it with a lower medication burden through a monthly dose, that's a value proposition that's going to resonate with patients, with providers, and with carers because persistency and simplicity matter. And it also gives us the opportunity to switch patients from weekly onto monthly therapy. So we think 3944 is going to be a compelling therapy, full stop.
Speaker #5: And potentially, best in class against mono. So we think when you take that efficacy and then you combine it with a lower medication burden through a monthly dose, that's a value proposition that's going to resonate with patients, with providers, and with payers—because persistency and simplicity matter.
Speaker #5: And it also gives us the opportunity to switch patients from weekly onto monthly therapy. So we think 3944 is going to be a compelling therapy full stop.
Alexandre de Germay: And then you add to that the opportunity that exists from the other assets that we have in our portfolio with our commercial capabilities to execute in the US and international, and I think gives us a lot of confidence around the commercial potential.
And then you add to that the opportunity that exists from the other assets that we have in our portfolio with our commercial capabilities to execute in the US and international, and I think gives us a lot of confidence around the commercial potential.
Speaker #5: And then you add to that the opportunity that exists from the other assets that we have in our portfolio with our commercial capabilities to execute in the US and international.
Speaker #5: And I think it gives us a lot of confidence around the commercial potential.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Thank you. I mean, the surprise, I think, so far with this market, it is how well it is performing outside the US. So Alexander, what's your take?
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Thank you. I mean, the surprise, I think, so far with this market, it is how well it is performing outside the US. So Alexander, what's your take?
Speaker #2: Yeah. Thank you. I mean, the surprise I think so far with this market, it is how well it is performing outside the US. So Alexander, what's your take?
Speaker #6: That's right. What's really interesting in this category is actually the size of the market ex-US, projected to be $150 billion. And 40% of that is actually ex-US.
Chris Boshoff: That's right. Yes. What's really interesting in this category is actually the size of the market ex-US, projected to be 150 million, and 40% of that is actually ex-US. There are two things that are really interesting in this category that are unique and that reinforce the potential of this asset. First is the out-of-pocket category because in most countries, when we introduce the innovation, we have to go through reimbursement negotiation and often translate into price reduction. In this category, we see that there are high willingness to pay out-of-pocket across all mature markets, whether it be in Europe, in Australia, or in Canada. And we see the price point being across $250 to 350, which is higher than what we had expected.
Alexandre de Germay: That's right. Yes. What's really interesting in this category is actually the size of the market ex-US, projected to be 150 million, and 40% of that is actually ex-US. There are two things that are really interesting in this category that are unique and that reinforce the potential of this asset. First is the out-of-pocket category because in most countries, when we introduce the innovation, we have to go through reimbursement negotiation and often translate into price reduction. In this category, we see that there are high willingness to pay out-of-pocket across all mature markets, whether it be in Europe, in Australia, or in Canada. And we see the price point being across $250 to 350, which is higher than what we had expected.
Speaker #6: There are two things that are really interesting in this category that are unique and that reinforce the potential of this asset. First is the out-of-pocket category because in most countries, when we introduced innovation, we have to go through reimbursement negotiation and often translate into price reduction.
Speaker #6: In this category, we see that there are high willingness to pay out-of-pocket across all mature markets, whether it be in Europe or in Australia or in Canada.
Speaker #6: And we see the price point being across $250 to $350, which is higher than what we had expected. And when we look at the latest release from our competitors in this category, we see that there is the highest willingness to pay from all those geographies, including actually also emerging markets where we also see high prevalence.
Chris Boshoff: When we look at the latest release from our competitors in this category, we see that there is higher willingness to pay from all those geographies, including actually also emerging markets where we also see high prevalence. The second thing is the time to market because it's going to be mostly an out-of-pocket category. The time after approval at the EMEA will be in instances where we will be able to actually commercialize those products. So that will drive also rapid penetration in the market.
When we look at the latest release from our competitors in this category, we see that there is higher willingness to pay from all those geographies, including actually also emerging markets where we also see high prevalence. The second thing is the time to market because it's going to be mostly an out-of-pocket category. The time after approval at the EMEA will be in instances where we will be able to actually commercialize those products. So that will drive also rapid penetration in the market.
Speaker #6: The second thing is the time to market, because it's going to be mostly an out-of-pocket category. The time after approval at the EMEA will be instantaneous, where we will be able to actually commercialize those products.
Speaker #6: So that will also drive rapid penetration in the market.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Alexandre. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Alexandre. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Alexander. Next question, please.
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Vomil Devan with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Vamil Divan with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Vamil Divan with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.
Vamil Divan: Great. Thanks for taking the question. So just maybe building off this, Chris, you just talked a little bit about this prior question around down titration in phase 3. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on how you're designing your phase 3s and allowing for flexibility as patients maybe are dealing with any sort of side effects, and maybe that improves overall the profile you see from phase 2? And then my other question is actually just beyond VESPER-3. You mentioned this would be at ADA. I'm curious what other data we may get from either your internal programs or from the Metsera portfolio at ADA and specifically your internal GIPR. Do you expect to provide that phase 2 data there? Thank you.
Vamil Divan: Great. Thanks for taking the question. So just maybe building off this, Chris, you just talked a little bit about this prior question around down titration in phase 3. Can you just elaborate a little bit more on how you're designing your phase 3s and allowing for flexibility as patients maybe are dealing with any sort of side effects, and maybe that improves overall the profile you see from phase 2? And then my other question is actually just beyond VESPER-3. You mentioned this would be at ADA. I'm curious what other data we may get from either your internal programs or from the Metsera portfolio at ADA and specifically your internal GIPR. Do you expect to provide that phase 2 data there? Thank you.
Speaker #7: Great. Thanks for taking the question. So just maybe building off this, Chris, you just talked a little bit about this in a prior question around down titration in phase three.
Speaker #7: Can you just elaborate a little bit more on that, kind of how you're designing your phase threes and allowing for flexibility as patients maybe are dealing with any sort of side effects and maybe that improves overall the profile you see from phase two?
Speaker #7: And then my other question is actually just beyond best for three. You mentioned this would be at ADA. I'm curious what other data we may get from either your internal programs or from the MEDCER portfolio at ADA and specifically your internal GIPR do you expect to provide that phase two data there?
Speaker #7: Thank
Speaker #7: Thank you. Thank you very much for the
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. Just a reminder again for the VESPER-3 data we presented today, there's only 2 step-up doses. You're used to 4, 5 step-up doses to get to the desired dose. In this study, it was only 2 step-up doses. So the phase three designed for VESPER-6 will test different titrations as well as, as we pointed out, the additional dose of 9.6mg, which is currently being tested in VESPER-4 as 2.4mg weekly. Regarding the rest of the portfolio, we're obviously excited about the platform in general. It's a very differentiated platform. As you know, we previously presented data for the ultra-long-acting amylin 3945, also called Metsera 233, where the observed additive weight loss when combining 3944 and 3945 was 5% at day 8. And single-agent ultra-long-acting amylin, previous data showed at day 36, 8.4% placebo-adjusted weight loss.
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. Just a reminder again for the VESPER-3 data we presented today, there's only 2 step-up doses. You're used to 4, 5 step-up doses to get to the desired dose. In this study, it was only 2 step-up doses. So the phase three designed for VESPER-6 will test different titrations as well as, as we pointed out, the additional dose of 9.6mg, which is currently being tested in VESPER-4 as 2.4mg weekly. Regarding the rest of the portfolio, we're obviously excited about the platform in general. It's a very differentiated platform. As you know, we previously presented data for the ultra-long-acting amylin 3945, also called Metsera 233, where the observed additive weight loss when combining 3944 and 3945 was 5% at day 8. And single-agent ultra-long-acting amylin, previous data showed at day 36, 8.4% placebo-adjusted weight loss.
Speaker #5: question. Just a reminder again for the best of three data we presented today. There's only two step-up doses. You used to four, five step-up doses to get to the desired dose.
Speaker #5: In this study, it was only two step-up doses. So the phase three design for best for six, we'll test pointed out, the additional dose of 9.6 milligrams, which is currently being tested in best before as 2.4 milligrams weekly.
Speaker #5: Regarding the rest of the portfolio, we are obviously excited about the platform in general as a very differentiated platform. As you know, we previously presented data for the ultra-long-acting Amylan 3945, also called MED233, where the observed additive weight loss when combining 3944 and 3945 was 5% at day eight. Single-agent ultra-long Amylan previous data showed, at day 36, 8.4% placebo-adjusted weight loss.
Speaker #5: So we should share later this year, including at ADA, updated data on the Amylan, and potential early data for the combination of the Amylan plus 3944.
Chris Boshoff: So we should share later this year, including at ADA, updated data on the Amylin and potential early data for the combination of the Amylin plus 3944. We also, as you know in our portfolio, are excited about the rest of the phase two programs, which include a potential first-in-class GIPR antagonist oral that was discovered, conceptualized internally. That's current in the randomized phase two experience. And also the more broader phase one program of peptides, including an ultra-long GLP-1 that's potentially three-monthly, quarterly. That's currently in phase one, as well as our additional oral portfolio, including the oral GLP-1 recently acquired from YaoPharma.
So we should share later this year, including at ADA, updated data on the Amylin and potential early data for the combination of the Amylin plus 3944. We also, as you know in our portfolio, are excited about the rest of the phase two programs, which include a potential first-in-class GIPR antagonist oral that was discovered, conceptualized internally. That's current in the randomized phase two experience. And also the more broader phase one program of peptides, including an ultra-long GLP-1 that's potentially three-monthly, quarterly. That's currently in phase one, as well as our additional oral portfolio, including the oral GLP-1 recently acquired from YaoPharma.
Speaker #5: We also, as you know, in our portfolio, excited about the rest of the phase two programs, which including a first in potential first-in-class GIPR antagonist Oral that was discovered conceptualized internally.
Speaker #5: That's currently in the randomized phase two experience. And also the more broader phase one program of peptides, including an ultra-long GLP-1 that's potentially three-monthly quarterly.
Speaker #5: That's currently in phase one, as well as our additional oral portfolio, including the oral GLP-1 recently acquired from Yopharma.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Chris. Next question, please.
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Steve Scala with TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Steve Scala with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Steve Scala with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Thank you so much. In the best for three data, did the placebo arm gain weight or lose weight? And the second question is not on obesity, but Pfizer has been quite adamant about no life beyond December 28 for Vindacal.
Vamil Divan: Thank you so much. In the VESPER-3 data, did the placebo arm gain weight or lose weight? And the second question is not on obesity, but Pfizer has been quite adamant about no life beyond December 28 for Vyndaqel. Should we completely rule out any sort of strategy whatsoever, such as settlement with generic companies on patents Pfizer holds?
Stephen Scala: Thank you so much. In the VESPER-3 data, did the placebo arm gain weight or lose weight? And the second question is not on obesity, but Pfizer has been quite adamant about no life beyond December 28 for Vyndaqel. Should we completely rule out any sort of strategy whatsoever, such as settlement with generic companies on patents Pfizer holds?
Speaker #8: Should we completely rule out any sort of strategy whatsoever, such as settlement with generic companies on patents Pfizer holds?
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Steve. Let me take the Vindacal because I have been asked multiple times. Right now, we are assuming that the patent will be lost at the end of 2028. And I don't have any other comments to make on that. These are very sensitive topics. So I'm moving to Chris now to talk about the placebo arm and what was the weight loss there.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Steve. Let me take the Vindacal because I have been asked multiple times. Right now, we are assuming that the patent will be lost at the end of 2028. And I don't have any other comments to make on that. These are very sensitive topics. So I'm moving to Chris now to talk about the placebo arm and what was the weight loss there.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Steve. Let me take the Vindacal because I have been asked multiple times. Right now, we are assuming that the patent will be lost at the end of 2028.
Speaker #2: And I don't have any other comments to make on that. You know these are very sensitive topics. So I'm moving to Chris now to talk about the placebo
Speaker #2: arm. And what was the weight loss
Speaker #6: How is the placebo?
Speaker #2: Are you there? Again, the full data will be presented.
Chris Boshoff: Again, the full data will be presented at ADA. But in this case, VESPER-3, actually, the placebo arm was very stable, not really up or down, but you'll see the data at ADA.
Chris Boshoff: Again, the full data will be presented at ADA. But in this case, VESPER-3, actually, the placebo arm was very stable, not really up or down, but you'll see the data at ADA.
Speaker #6: at ADA, but in this case, best for three actually, the placebo arm was very stable, not really up or down, but you'll see the data at ADA.
Speaker #2: All right. Thank you very much. The next question, please.
Albert Bourla: All right. Thank you very much. The next question, please.
Albert Bourla: All right. Thank you very much. The next question, please.
Operator: Our next question comes from Geoff Meacham with Citibank. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Geoff Meacham with Citibank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Jeff Meacham with Citibank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Good morning and congrats on the data today. Again, a few questions on the new data today. So, when you look at the PK/PD, are you set with monthly being the longest dosing interval to preserve efficacy, or is it potentially feasible to extend to every two-month dosing?
Chris Schott: Hey, guys. Morning, and congrats on the data today. Again, a few on the new data today. So when you look at the PKPD, are you guys set with monthly being the longest dosing interval to preserve efficacy, or is it feasible to extend to every 2-month dosing? And then on your phase 3 plans, is it your sense these are left to be the standard type of metabolic studies that we'd expect to do, or would you pursue any maybe inflammation, or neuropsych indications, or would you pursue GLP-1 active comparator studies? Just trying to think of how you could separate yourself in a broad phase 3 program. Thank you.
Geoff Meacham: Hey, guys. Morning, and congrats on the data today. Again, a few on the new data today. So when you look at the PKPD, are you guys set with monthly being the longest dosing interval to preserve efficacy, or is it feasible to extend to every 2-month dosing? And then on your phase 3 plans, is it your sense these are left to be the standard type of metabolic studies that we'd expect to do, or would you pursue any maybe inflammation, or neuropsych indications, or would you pursue GLP-1 active comparator studies? Just trying to think of how you could separate yourself in a broad phase 3 program. Thank you.
Speaker #4: And then on your phase three plans, is it your sense these are likely to be the standard type of metabolic studies that we'd expect to do, or would you pursue any maybe inflammation or neuropsych indications?
Speaker #4: Or would you pursue a GLP-1 active comparator study? So trying to think of how you could separate yourself in a broad phase three program.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. So, Chris, monthly, or more, and then additional studies?
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. So, Chris. Monthly or more, and then additional studies?
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Jeff. So, Chris. Monthly or more, and then additional studies?
Speaker #5: So thank you for the question. So 3944 is, as we demonstrated, the first peptide that can be administered monthly. And potentially, yes, we can go longer for 3944.
Chris Boshoff: So thank you for the question. So 3944 is, as we demonstrated, the first peptide that can be administered monthly. And potentially, yes, we can go longer, but for 3944, our aim is as a monthly maintenance therapy. As I mentioned, we do have another molecule, a peptide currently in phase 1, which has a prodrug, a propeptide, with a potential for three-monthly administration. That's currently in phase 1, and we should, in the next couple of months, get additional PKPD data from that molecule, which will be our potential opportunity to go to three-monthly. The second question, the initial phase 3 programs, VESPER 4, 5, and 6, VESPER 4, is the one in patients without type 2 diabetes.
Chris Boshoff: So thank you for the question. So 3944 is, as we demonstrated, the first peptide that can be administered monthly. And potentially, yes, we can go longer, but for 3944, our aim is as a monthly maintenance therapy. As I mentioned, we do have another molecule, a peptide currently in phase 1, which has a prodrug, a propeptide, with a potential for three-monthly administration. That's currently in phase 1, and we should, in the next couple of months, get additional PKPD data from that molecule, which will be our potential opportunity to go to three-monthly. The second question, the initial phase 3 programs, VESPER 4, 5, and 6, VESPER 4, is the one in patients without type 2 diabetes.
Speaker #5: Our aim is as a monthly maintenance therapy. As I mentioned, we do have another molecule, a peptide currently in phase one, which has a Prodrac, a pro-peptide with a potential for three-monthly administration.
Speaker #5: That's currently in phase one, and we should, in the next couple of months, get additional PK/PD data from that molecule, which will be our potential opportunity to go to three-monthly.
Speaker #5: The second question, the initial phase three programs, best performed four, five, and six, best before is the one in patients without type 2 diabetes.
Chris Boshoff: That's currently ongoing with weekly testing, including the high dose of 2.4 mg weekly, VESPER 5 in patients with type 2 diabetes, and VESPER 6, the study that will include monthly dosing. Beyond that, we plan to start seven studies. We haven't shown or revealed what these studies are going to be, but you're absolutely correct that beyond cardiovascular metabolic, we are looking at other opportunities to differentiate and also to differentiate with our combinations, for instance, with amylin or with the GIPR currently in phase 1.
That's currently ongoing with weekly testing, including the high dose of 2.4 mg weekly, VESPER 5 in patients with type 2 diabetes, and VESPER 6, the study that will include monthly dosing. Beyond that, we plan to start seven studies. We haven't shown or revealed what these studies are going to be, but you're absolutely correct that beyond cardiovascular metabolic, we are looking at other opportunities to differentiate and also to differentiate with our combinations, for instance, with amylin or with the GIPR currently in phase 1.
Speaker #5: That's currently ongoing with weekly testing, including the high dose of 2.4 milligrams weekly. BESTforfive in patients with type 2 diabetes and BESTforsix, the study that will include monthly dosing.
Speaker #5: Beyond that, we plan to start seven studies. We haven't showed or revealed what these studies are going to be, but you absolutely correct that beyond cardiovascular metabolic, we are looking at other opportunities to differentiate.
Speaker #5: And also to differentiate with our combinations. For instance, with Amylan or with a GIPR currently in phase one.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Next question,
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Terrence Flynn with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Terrence Flynn with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from Terence Flynn with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: ahead.
Speaker #9: Hi. Thanks for taking the
Chris Schott: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe two also for me on the VESPER-3 data. I know you want to hold a lot of the data till ADA, but just was wondering if you can provide any high-level details on the baseline characteristics, so either BMI or gender mix. I know sometimes those can vary across studies. And then on the tolerability side, again, one question when you have longer dosing intervals is the duration of GI side effects. And so any qualitative commentary there if that's longer than one or two days. Thank you.
Terence Flynn: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe two also for me on the VESPER-3 data. I know you want to hold a lot of the data till ADA, but just was wondering if you can provide any high-level details on the baseline characteristics, so either BMI or gender mix. I know sometimes those can vary across studies. And then on the tolerability side, again, one question when you have longer dosing intervals is the duration of GI side effects. And so any qualitative commentary there if that's longer than one or two days. Thank you.
Speaker #9: questions. Maybe too also for me on the best for three data. I know you want to hold a lot of the data till ADA, but just was wondering if you can provide any high-level details on the baseline characteristics, so either BMI or gender mix.
Speaker #9: I know sometimes those can vary across studies. And then, on the tolerability side, again, one question when you have longer dosing intervals is the duration of GI side effects.
Speaker #9: And so any qualitative commentary there, if that's longer than one or two days? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Chris, again, that goes to
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Chris, again, that goes to you.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Chris, again, that goes to you.
Speaker #2: you. Okay.
Chris Boshoff: Okay. Just to start with the demographics, the study was conducted in the US only. I think, as you know, there are differences, especially in AE and tolerability discontinuations between US-only patient populations. So that's one. The rest of the detailed demographics will be presented at ADA, but it's as expected from a small US-based phase 2 study. The next question was.
Chris Boshoff: Okay. Just to start with the demographics, the study was conducted in the US only. I think, as you know, there are differences, especially in AE and tolerability discontinuations between US-only patient populations. So that's one. The rest of the detailed demographics will be presented at ADA, but it's as expected from a small US-based phase 2 study. The next question was.
Speaker #6: Just to start with the demographics, the study was conducted in the US only, and I think, as you know, there are differences—especially in AE and tolerability, with discontinuations—between US-only patient populations.
Speaker #6: So that's one. The rest of the detailed demographics will be presented at ADA, but it's an as-expected from a small US-based phase two study.
Speaker #6: The next question was.
Albert Bourla: What was the next question?
Albert Bourla: What was the next question?
Speaker #2: next question? What was the
Vamil Divan: Tolerability.
Terence Flynn: Tolerability.
Speaker #6: Tolerability. As we said it before, we are encouraged by the overall tolerability. It is similar to what you expect for GLP-1 class, but specifically, we can move to monthly with a distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly.
Chris Boshoff: Tolerability. As we stated before, we are encouraged by the overall tolerability. It is similar to what you expect for GLP-1 class, but specifically, we can move to monthly with a distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly. That didn't give us alarm. That switching to monthly, suddenly there's a cluster of discontinuations or significant AEs. As I pointed out earlier as well, there's only 1 severe nausea, 1 severe vomiting across the whole program, no severe diarrhea. So overall, we're very encouraged by the safety profile. And again, ADA will share the whole AE profile.
Chris Boshoff: Tolerability. As we stated before, we are encouraged by the overall tolerability. It is similar to what you expect for GLP-1 class, but specifically, we can move to monthly with a distribution of AEs across weekly and monthly. That didn't give us alarm. That switching to monthly, suddenly there's a cluster of discontinuations or significant AEs. As I pointed out earlier as well, there's only 1 severe nausea, 1 severe vomiting across the whole program, no severe diarrhea. So overall, we're very encouraged by the safety profile. And again, ADA will share the whole AE profile.
Speaker #6: That didn't give us alarm. That's switching to monthly. Suddenly, there's a cluster of discontinuations or significant AEs. As I pointed out earlier as well, there's only one severe nausea, one severe vomiting across the whole program, and no severe diarrhea.
Speaker #6: So overall, we're very encouraged by the safety profile. And again, ADA will share the whole AE profile.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Chris. Next question,
Speaker #2: please. Thank
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Akash Tewari with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Akash Tewari with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: you. Our next question comes from Akash Twari with Jefferies. Please go
Speaker #3: ahead.
Speaker #10: Hey, thanks so
Akash Tewari: Hey. Thanks so much. So the data in second-line plus NSCLC has been pretty underwhelming so far versus dose of Taxol. Is your team confident that you can deliver a superior profile with your upcoming phase 3 with B6A, or are you going to need to enrich in B6A high-expressing patients? Can you help frame expectations for this readout?
Akash Tewari: Hey. Thanks so much. So the data in second-line plus NSCLC has been pretty underwhelming so far versus dose of Taxol. Is your team confident that you can deliver a superior profile with your upcoming phase 3 with B6A, or are you going to need to enrich in B6A high-expressing patients? Can you help frame expectations for this readout?
Speaker #10: Thank you very much. So, the data in second-line plus NSCLC has been pretty underwhelming so far versus docetaxel. Is your team confident that you can deliver a superior profile with your upcoming Phase 3 with B6A?
Speaker #10: Or are you going to need to enrich in B6A high-expressing patients? Can you help frame expectations for this?
Speaker #10: readout? Look, Chris, so
Chris Boshoff: Chris, so you're referring to Sigvotatug with Docetaxel, yes?
Chris Boshoff: Chris, so you're referring to Sigvotatug with Docetaxel, yes?
Speaker #2: you're referring to sigmota type of dosing, yes? Correct.
Speaker #10: Yes.
[Analyst] (Jefferies): Yeah.
Akash Tewari: Yeah.
Chris Boshoff: Correct. Okay. So this is a second-line study, I should point out, against dose of Taxol. The phase 3 study, there's also an additional phase 3 study ongoing, just a reminder, which is first-line, which is Sigvotatug with docetaxel plus pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab in the TPS-high, PD-L1-high population. In the single-agent activity we've seen, a response rate was over 30%, with the median overall survival in the phase 2 study which approached 16.3 months. So overall, we're encouraged by the data. With the combination study with ASP plus pembrolizumab, we saw an overall response rate of 57% with a disease control rate of over 90%. So we are confident in the two studies.
Chris Boshoff: Correct. Okay. So this is a second-line study, I should point out, against dose of Taxol. The phase 3 study, there's also an additional phase 3 study ongoing, just a reminder, which is first-line, which is Sigvotatug with docetaxel plus pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab in the TPS-high, PD-L1-high population. In the single-agent activity we've seen, a response rate was over 30%, with the median overall survival in the phase 2 study which approached 16.3 months. So overall, we're encouraged by the data. With the combination study with ASP plus pembrolizumab, we saw an overall response rate of 57% with a disease control rate of over 90%. So we are confident in the two studies.
Speaker #2: Okay. So for so this is a second-line study, I should point out, against dose-to-taxel. The phase three study, there's also additional phase three study ongoing just a reminder, which is first-line which is sigmota type of dosing plus pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab in the TPS high PD-L1 high population.
Speaker #2: In the single-agent activity, we've seen was the response rate was over 30% with a median overall survival in the phase two study which approached 16.3 months.
Speaker #2: So overall, we encourage by the data with the combination study with ASP plus pembrolizumab, we saw overall response rate of 57% with disease control rate of over 90%.
Speaker #2: So, we are confident in the two studies. I agree with you that, in the second-line study against docetaxel, none of the ADCs have really showed a benefit over docetaxel.
Chris Boshoff: I agree with you that the second-line study against dose of Taxol, none of the other ADCs have really showed a benefit over dose of Taxol, but everything we've seen so far gives us confidence in the trial. That will be the first study to read out, and the second study to read out will be the one with pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab. It's an event-driven study. Events are slower than we expected, so that could mean either arms are performing better, but we should update you on the study results in the coming months, first half of this year.
I agree with you that the second-line study against dose of Taxol, none of the other ADCs have really showed a benefit over dose of Taxol, but everything we've seen so far gives us confidence in the trial. That will be the first study to read out, and the second study to read out will be the one with pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab. It's an event-driven study. Events are slower than we expected, so that could mean either arms are performing better, but we should update you on the study results in the coming months, first half of this year.
Speaker #2: But everything we've seen so far gives us confidence in the trial. That'll be the first study to read out. And the second study to read out will be the one with pembrolizumab versus pembrolizumab.
Speaker #2: It's an event-driven study. Events are slower than we expected, so that could mean either arm is performing better. But we should update you on the study results in the coming months.
Speaker #2: First half of this year. Excellent. Chris, so then next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Excellent, Chris. So then next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Excellent, Chris. So then next question, please.
Speaker #3: Thank you. We'll go next to Asad Haider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Asad Haider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Asad Haider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Vamil Divan: Great. And thanks for all the detail on the clinical catalysts. So maybe just one on portfolio realignment. Albert, with respect to just this recent divestment of your stake in the HIV joint venture with Glaxo, just broadly, what innings are we in in terms of just portfolio pruning or realignment, noting that you've also recently announced a new reorganization incorporating your global hospital and biosimilar business? Thanks.
Asad Haider: Great. And thanks for all the detail on the clinical catalysts. So maybe just one on portfolio realignment. Albert, with respect to just this recent divestment of your stake in the HIV joint venture with Glaxo, just broadly, what innings are we in in terms of just portfolio pruning or realignment, noting that you've also recently announced a new reorganization incorporating your global hospital and biosimilar business? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Great. And thanks for all the detail on the clinical catalysts. Maybe just one on portfolio realignment. Albert with the respect to just this recent divestment of your stake in the HIV joint venture with Glaxo, just broadly, what innings are we in in terms of just portfolio pruning or realignment, noting that you've also recently announced a new reorganization incorporating your global hospital and biosimilars business?
Speaker #4: Thanks. I
Albert Bourla: I think Chris can also comment on that, but let me, even though you addressed the question to me, I think we have done most of the pruning of our pipeline right now. So the things that we are continuing right now, at large, are things that we believe they are the ones to invest, and we keep investing, very, very few exceptions of things that they were already there, and we had some issues to discontinue or to divest. So I think from that aspect, I think we are doing very well. Chris, anything to add there?
Albert Bourla: I think Chris can also comment on that, but let me, even though you addressed the question to me, I think we have done most of the pruning of our pipeline right now. So the things that we are continuing right now, at large, are things that we believe they are the ones to invest, and we keep investing, very, very few exceptions of things that they were already there, and we had some issues to discontinue or to divest. So I think from that aspect, I think we are doing very well. Chris, anything to add there?
Speaker #2: I think Chris can also comment on that, but let me note that you addressed the question to me. I think we have done most of our pruning of our pipeline right now.
Speaker #2: So, the things that we are continuing right now, at large, are things that we believe are the ones to invest in. And we keep investing—with very, very few exceptions—on things that were already there and where we had some issues to discontinue or to divest.
Speaker #2: So, I think from that aspect, I think we are doing very well.
Speaker #2: Chris, anything to add there? Yeah, with
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. We're focusing just on the four therapeutic areas, and we're doing, in 2025, significant prioritization and focus of the program and, as you know, identified up to $500 million savings in R&D, which is now reinvested in phase 3 programs. This year, as Albert pointed out, we plan to start approximately 20 phase 3 programs driving the portfolio.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. We're focusing just on the four therapeutic areas, and we're doing, in 2025, significant prioritization and focus of the program and, as you know, identified up to $500 million savings in R&D, which is now reinvested in phase 3 programs. This year, as Albert pointed out, we plan to start approximately 20 phase 3 programs driving the portfolio.
Speaker #6: focusing just on the four therapeutic areas and we doing 2025 significant prioritization and focus the program. And as you know, identified up to 500 million savings in R&D, which is now reinvested in phase three programs.
Speaker #6: And this year, as Albert pointed out, we plan to start approximately 20 phase three programs, driving the
Speaker #2: And maybe Dave also can add a little bit color on that, but I just wanted to say that when you speak about realign creating synergies or creating cost savings, in R&D that we reinvest, we don't mean going forward with discontinuation of programs.
Albert Bourla: And maybe Dave also can add a little bit color on that, but I just wanted to say that when you speak about creating synergies or creating cost savings in R&D that we reinvest, we don't mean going forward with discontinuation of programs, actually with increase of programs. It's going to be by deploying AI, which already happened in 2025 with excellent results. That creates significant productivity gains. This is where we are reducing the cost of R&D. And we all reinvested to more programs that, as you see, we are starting 20 pivotal studies in 2026. Dave?
Albert Bourla: And maybe Dave also can add a little bit color on that, but I just wanted to say that when you speak about creating synergies or creating cost savings in R&D that we reinvest, we don't mean going forward with discontinuation of programs, actually with increase of programs. It's going to be by deploying AI, which already happened in 2025 with excellent results. That creates significant productivity gains. This is where we are reducing the cost of R&D. And we all reinvested to more programs that, as you see, we are starting 20 pivotal studies in 2026. Dave?
Speaker #2: Actually, with the increase of programs, it's going to be by deploying AI, which already happened in 2025 with excellent results. That
Speaker #1: Create significant productivity gains . This is where we are reducing the cost of and we R&D , reinvest all it to more programs you that , as we are starting 20 pivotal studies in 26 .
Speaker #1: Dave , to more programs that see , , as you we are starting pivotal 20 studies in 26 . Dave .
Dave Denton: Yeah. I just would just add on to that. As we look at our inline portfolio products, we always continue to look to see how we can maximize the value. ViiV is just a good example of a non-strategic asset for us, monetizing that in such a way that we can redeploy that capital at higher returns in the future. As you pointed out, we did create a sterile, injectable, and biosimilar set of products, of which we're focused on driving productivity across that set of product portfolio. We will continue to do that as we think about our product portfolio going forward.
David Denton: Yeah. I just would just add on to that. As we look at our inline portfolio products, we always continue to look to see how we can maximize the value. ViiV is just a good example of a non-strategic asset for us, monetizing that in such a way that we can redeploy that capital at higher returns in the future. As you pointed out, we did create a sterile, injectable, and biosimilar set of products, of which we're focused on driving productivity across that set of product portfolio. We will continue to do that as we think about our product portfolio going forward.
Speaker #2: Yeah , I just would just add on to that as we look at our products , line portfolio end we look to continue to always see how we can Vive is just a good of of a example non-strategic asset for us , monetizing that in way that we can redeploy that capital at higher such a returns in the future .
Speaker #2: As you pointed out , we did create a sterile injectable and biosimilar set of which we're products of focused on driving productivity across that set of product portfolio .
Albert Bourla: Thank you very much, Dave. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you very much, Dave. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: And we will continue to as we think about our product portfolio going do that forward .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Courtney Breen with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Courtney Breen with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you very much, Dave. Next question, please.
[Analyst]: Thanks so much for the question today. Just perhaps building on the conversation that was just taking place, as you talk about the 20-plus pivotal studies that are starting this year, we're seeing kind of a midpoint $11 billion guide for R&D in 2026. How do we think about 2027 as these studies start to annualize and then kind of combining that with the element that you just raised, Albert, of the AI investment, the 1,200 GPU deployment that you're making, kind of when and where will we begin to see impact from that strategy, and will that impact anything in the operations of R&D of those pivotal trials, or should we be thinking more about innovation on the research side over the long run? Thank you so much.
Courtney Breen: Thanks so much for the question today. Just perhaps building on the conversation that was just taking place, as you talk about the 20-plus pivotal studies that are starting this year, we're seeing kind of a midpoint $11 billion guide for R&D in 2026. How do we think about 2027 as these studies start to annualize and then kind of combining that with the element that you just raised, Albert, of the AI investment, the 1,200 GPU deployment that you're making, kind of when and where will we begin to see impact from that strategy, and will that impact anything in the operations of R&D of those pivotal trials, or should we be thinking more about innovation on the research side over the long run? Thank you so much.
Speaker #3: Our next question comes from Courtney Breen with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: .
Speaker #4: much for the question today . Just perhaps building on the conversation that was just taking place , as you talk about the 20 plus pivotal studies that are starting this year , we're seeing kind of a midpoint , $11 billion guide for R&D in 26 .
Speaker #4: How do we think about '27 as you start to annualize, and then kind of combining that with the element that you just raised?
Speaker #4: Albert , of the AI investments , you're 1200 GPU the making , deployment that kind of when and where will to see impact from that strategy ?
Speaker #4: And will that impact anything in the operations of R&D of those pivotal trials? Or should we be thinking more about innovation on the research side over the long run?
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Good to know. Thank you. That's a very good question. As you can understand, we don't give guidance for 2027. But I will ask Dave to give some color.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. Good to know. Thank you. That's a very good question. As you can understand, we don't give guidance for 2027. But I will ask Dave to give some color.
Speaker #4: Thank you so much .
Dave Denton: Yeah. I guess contextually, if you just think about R&D as we cycled from 2025 into 2026, with the business development transactions that we've done, we've actually increased the burden and the load of work that needs to be done within our R&D infrastructure. At the same time, we're investing about $11 billion in R&D. So we're being able to be more productive in the infrastructure across R&D and take on more substrate to be able to focus on creating medicines for the end of the decade and beyond. So I think what we're trying to do is continue to re-refresh, improve the productivity across our R&D platform to invest those dollars back into R&D to continue to forward-advance the programs that we have underway and the programs that we're developing. As you know, 2026 is a big start year for us from a science perspective.
David Denton: Yeah. I guess contextually, if you just think about R&D as we cycled from 2025 into 2026, with the business development transactions that we've done, we've actually increased the burden and the load of work that needs to be done within our R&D infrastructure. At the same time, we're investing about $11 billion in R&D. So we're being able to be more productive in the infrastructure across R&D and take on more substrate to be able to focus on creating medicines for the end of the decade and beyond. So I think what we're trying to do is continue to re-refresh, improve the productivity across our R&D platform to invest those dollars back into R&D to continue to forward-advance the programs that we have underway and the programs that we're developing. As you know, 2026 is a big start year for us from a science perspective.
Speaker #1: Good , Courtney . Thank you . That's a very good question . As you can understand , we don't give guidance for 2027 .
Speaker #1: But I will to give some color .
Speaker #2: Yeah , I
Speaker #2: guess ask Dave contextually , if you just think about as we cycled from R&D 25 into 26 with the business development transactions that we've done , we've actually increased the burden and the load of work that needs to be done within our R&D infrastructure .
Speaker #2: At the same time , we're investing about $11 billion in R&D . So we're being able to be more productive in the infrastructure across R&D take on more on focus the end of decade and beyond .
Speaker #2: be able to think I medicines for the and we're So trying to do is continue to refresh , reengage , improve the productivity across R&D platform to invest those dollars back into R&D , to continue to forward advance the programs that we have underway and the programs that we're developing , as you know , 2026 is a big start year for us from a science perspective .
Dave Denton: We will continue to focus on those investments going forward.
We will continue to focus on those investments going forward.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Dave. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Dave. Next question, please.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Umar Raffat with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Umar Raffat with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: We will continue to focus on those investments going forward.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Dave. Next question, please.
Evan Seigerman: Hi, guys. 2 quick ones, if I may. First, on the GLP monotherapy, could you remind us if the 9.6 mg monthly dose was a reaction to the data today, or was that already being contemplated? And then secondly, on the emerging tolerability data for your GLP-plus amylin combo, how are you feeling on that, and do you think you can fit the GLP-plus amylin in a single pill? Thank you.
Umer Raffat: Hi, guys. 2 quick ones, if I may. First, on the GLP monotherapy, could you remind us if the 9.6 mg monthly dose was a reaction to the data today, or was that already being contemplated? And then secondly, on the emerging tolerability data for your GLP-plus amylin combo, how are you feeling on that, and do you think you can fit the GLP-plus amylin in a single pill? Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from Umer Raffat with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Hi , guys . Two quick ones , if I may . First , on the Glip monotherapy , could you remind us if the 9.6mg monthly dose was a reaction to the data today , or was that already being contemplated ?
Speaker #5: And then secondly , on the emerging tolerability data for your Amylin combo , how are you feeling on that ? And think do you fit the you can Glip plus Amylin in a single pill ?
Chris Boshoff: Okay. Thank you, Umar. So on the first question, a reminder that the 2.4 milligrams is already being tested as a weekly regimen, as a high dose in VESPER-4. And that decision was made based on the model-based meta-analysis. And as we showed today, our modeling predicts very well between what we actually observed and what the modeling predicted for 3.2 and 4.8. So we have confidence in the modeling also for 9.6 or the 2.4 milligrams.
Chris Boshoff: Okay. Thank you, Umar. So on the first question, a reminder that the 2.4 milligrams is already being tested as a weekly regimen, as a high dose in VESPER-4. And that decision was made based on the model-based meta-analysis. And as we showed today, our modeling predicts very well between what we actually observed and what the modeling predicted for 3.2 and 4.8. So we have confidence in the modeling also for 9.6 or the 2.4 milligrams.
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #6: Okay. Thank you. So, on the first question, a reminder that the 2.4 mg is already being used as a weekly regimen, as a tested high dose in Vespa for—
Speaker #6: And that decision was made based on the modeling based meta analysis . And as he showed , as we showed today , our modeling predicts very well between what we actually observed and what the modeling predicted for 3.2 and 4.8 .
Albert Bourla: Which basically what you say is that the 9.6, it is the 2.4.
Albert Bourla: Which basically what you say is that the 9.6, it is the 2.4.
Speaker #6: So we have confidence in the modeling also for 9.6 or the 2.4mg , which .
Chris Boshoff: Correct.
Chris Boshoff: Correct.
Albert Bourla: 4 times weekly, it is the 9.6 monthly.
Albert Bourla: 4 times weekly, it is the 9.6 monthly.
Speaker #1: Basically what you say is that the 9.6 , it is the 2.4 . Correct . And four times weekly it is a 9.6 monthly .
Chris Boshoff: Correct. Yes.
David Denton: Correct. Yes.
Evan Seigerman: Any other? What is the second part?
Chris Boshoff: Any other? What is the second part?
Vamil Divan: Combination.
Umer Raffat: Combination.
Albert Bourla: The combination one.
Albert Bourla: The combination one.
Speaker #6: Yes , correct ? . Any other what is the second part . combination .
Evan Seigerman: Oh, yeah.
Umer Raffat: Oh, yeah.
[Analyst]: Tolerability.
Francesca DeMartino: Tolerability.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. So just a reminder that the combination is monthly. It's amylin plus GLP-1, ultra-long, monthly, subcutaneous. So it's not in a pill. We do have an oral portfolio, and we do have some other oral medicines discovered internally, which we've not revealed yet, but currently, our oral medicine is GLP-1 and GIPR, not the amylin as oral.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. So just a reminder that the combination is monthly. It's amylin plus GLP-1, ultra-long, monthly, subcutaneous. So it's not in a pill. We do have an oral portfolio, and we do have some other oral medicines discovered internally, which we've not revealed yet, but currently, our oral medicine is GLP-1 and GIPR, not the amylin as oral.
Speaker #1: The combination
Speaker #6: a
Speaker #6: reminder that . Yeah . So just the combination is monthly . It's plus plus GLP long monthly one ultra subcutaneous . So it's not an asshole .
Speaker #6: We do have an oral portfolio and we do have some other oral medicines discovered internally , which we've not revealed yet , but currently our oral medicines GLP one and GIP are not the Amylin as oral
Albert Bourla: How do you feel about this data?
Umer Raffat: How do you feel about this data?
Chris Boshoff: We'll show data for the Amylin plus GLP-1 monthly data for the ultra-long-acting monthly data at ADA. The earlier data we've shown, reminder of the combination of 3944 plus 3945, was 5% at day 8. That was early data that was shown, and we'll update those data later this year.
Chris Boshoff: We'll show data for the Amylin plus GLP-1 monthly data for the ultra-long-acting monthly data at ADA. The earlier data we've shown, reminder of the combination of 3944 plus 3945, was 5% at day 8. That was early data that was shown, and we'll update those data later this year.
Speaker #6: .
Speaker #1: How do you feel about this end date?
Speaker #6: And we'll show data for the Amylin plus GLP one monthly data for the ultra long acting monthly data at The Ada . earlier data we've shown reminder of the combination of 3.9443945 was 5% at day eight .
Albert Bourla: All right, Chris. Thank you very much. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: All right, Chris. Thank you very much. Next question, please.
Speaker #6: That was early data that was shown, and we will update those data later this year.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: All right, Chris, thank you very much. Next question, please.
Akash Tewari: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question, and apologize for the background noise. But just based on today's VESPER-3 update, just kind of curious how you're thinking about the value add of the GLP-1 amylin injectable combination relative to the monotherapy. And are you really looking to kind of compete in that ultra-high efficacy tier with agents like Lilly's Triple G, or is the value add potentially more in GLP-1 non-responders? Just sort of curious because it seems like what you have with the monotherapy approach can make you competitive with Zepbound and MariTide. So just sort of curious how you think about the combo and where that fits.
Jason Gerberry: Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question, and apologize for the background noise. But just based on today's VESPER-3 update, just kind of curious how you're thinking about the value add of the GLP-1 amylin injectable combination relative to the monotherapy. And are you really looking to kind of compete in that ultra-high efficacy tier with agents like Lilly's Triple G, or is the value add potentially more in GLP-1 non-responders? Just sort of curious because it seems like what you have with the monotherapy approach can make you competitive with Zepbound and MariTide. So just sort of curious how you think about the combo and where that fits.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Hey guys, good morning. Thanks for taking my question, and I apologize for the background noise. But just based on today's Vesper 3 update, I'm just kind of curious how you're thinking about the value add of the GLP-1.
Speaker #7: The GLP one Amylin injectable combination relative to the monotherapy and are you really looking to kind of compete in that ultra high efficacy tier with agents like Lilly's Triple G , or is the value add potentially more in GLP one ?
Speaker #7: Non-responders—just sort of curious, because it seems like what you have with the monotherapy approach can make you competitive with Zepbound. And so, just sort of curious how you think about the combo and where that fits.
Albert Bourla: Why don't I ask Chris to give a little bit of the science behind this combination, and then we'll ask Amir and Alexander to comment on how that can be marketed.
Albert Bourla: Why don't I ask Chris to give a little bit of the science behind this combination, and then we'll ask Amir and Alexander to comment on how that can be marketed.
Speaker #1: Why don't I ask Chris to give a little bit of the science behind these combination . And then I will ask Amir and Alexander to comment on how that can be marketed .
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. We will have optionality because we are developing in phase 3 both the single agent, 3944, as well as the combination, 3944 plus 3945. Everything we've seen thus far suggests to us, to your point, that we should get increased efficacy for the combination. And that's why we hope to update data later this year, start the phase 2 study this year, and then next year, start the phase 3 study for the combination.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. We will have optionality because we are developing in phase 3 both the single agent, 3944, as well as the combination, 3944 plus 3945. Everything we've seen thus far suggests to us, to your point, that we should get increased efficacy for the combination. And that's why we hope to update data later this year, start the phase 2 study this year, and then next year, start the phase 3 study for the combination.
Speaker #6: will Yeah , we have optionality because we are developing in phase three through three . Both the single agent three nine , four four as well as the combination three nine , 443945 .
Speaker #6: Everything we've seen thus far suggests that to us . To your point that we should increased get efficacy for the combination . And that's why we hope to update later data later this year .
Albert Bourla: And then, Amir, how do you think this is playing as portfolio?
Albert Bourla: And then, Amir, how do you think this is playing as portfolio?
Speaker #6: Start the phase two study this year, and then next year start the phase three study for the combination.
Akash Tewari: Yeah, Jason. So I think the quick answer would be look, I think we're in the very early innings of a large market where there is still significant unmet need, right? There's more convenient dosing that's needed, higher weight loss for certain BMI patients, GI tolerabilities need to improve, maintenance strategies, friction in the patient journey. So our belief is that there's not going to be one single asset that serves all those patients. People are going to have different starting points, goals, preferences on their dosing and route of administration, comorbidities, their willingness to pay. And what you need to win in a market like that is, one, you need a great portfolio of products that can serve all those patients. And two, you need really differentiated capabilities.
Aamir Malik: Yeah, Jason. So I think the quick answer would be look, I think we're in the very early innings of a large market where there is still significant unmet need, right? There's more convenient dosing that's needed, higher weight loss for certain BMI patients, GI tolerabilities need to improve, maintenance strategies, friction in the patient journey. So our belief is that there's not going to be one single asset that serves all those patients. People are going to have different starting points, goals, preferences on their dosing and route of administration, comorbidities, their willingness to pay. And what you need to win in a market like that is, one, you need a great portfolio of products that can serve all those patients. And two, you need really differentiated capabilities.
Speaker #1: And then, Amir, how do you think this is playing as a portfolio?
Speaker #6: Yeah .
Speaker #8: Jason . So I think the quick answer would be , look , I think we're in the very early innings of a large market where there is still significant unmet need , right ?
Speaker #8: There's a need for more convenient dosing, higher weight loss for certain BMI patients, improved GI tolerability, better maintenance strategies, and less friction in the patient journey.
Speaker #8: So our belief is that there's not going to be one single asset that serves all those patients . People are going to have different starting points , goals , preferences on their dosing and route of administration , comorbidities , their willingness to pay , and what you need to win in a market like that is one you need a great portfolio of products that can serve all those patient needs .
Akash Tewari: I think with Chris describing not only our data today but some of the other things that we have in our portfolio, we have the first piece in place and emerging. We feel very confident about our commercial capabilities, whether it's our field forces that are the top-ranked in the US and already are seeing the majority of GLP-1 prescribers or the digital platforms that we're building like Pfizer for All that have touched over 25 million patients. When you put that all together, we have a lot of confidence in our ability to win commercially in this market with these assets.
I think with Chris describing not only our data today but some of the other things that we have in our portfolio, we have the first piece in place and emerging. We feel very confident about our commercial capabilities, whether it's our field forces that are the top-ranked in the US and already are seeing the majority of GLP-1 prescribers or the digital platforms that we're building like Pfizer for All that have touched over 25 million patients. When you put that all together, we have a lot of confidence in our ability to win commercially in this market with these assets.
Speaker #8: And two , you need really differentiated capabilities . And I think with Chris describing not only our data today , but some of the other things that we have in have our portfolio , the first piece in place and emerging , and we feel very about our confident commercial whether it's our field are the top forces that ranked capabilities , US and already are seeing the majority of GLP one prescribers or the digital we're platforms that building , like Pfizer , for all that have touched over 25 million patients .
Albert Bourla: Thank you. And Alexander, any additional? Okay. Let's go to the next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. And Alexander, any additional? Okay. Let's go to the next question, please.
Speaker #8: So, when you put that all together, we have a lot of confidence in our ability to win commercially in this market with these assets.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Yee with UBS. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Yee with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you . And Alexander , any additional . Okay . Let's go to the next question , please .
Evan Seigerman: Thank you. Two questions, one for Chris and one for Dave. On the oral GLP-1 that you guys recently in-licensed, can you just remind us how much information you knew or what data you already had? I believe there's already a large phase I ongoing, so that should add some comfort there. But tell us about what you knew already on that molecule. And then for Dave, you've reiterated $7 billion of capacity. Can you just talk about the ability to do more in the context of the recent dividend pause or at least dividend growth pause recently, given that that doesn't happen very often, and how you think about your dividend? Thank you.
Michael Yee: Thank you. Two questions, one for Chris and one for Dave. On the oral GLP-1 that you guys recently in-licensed, can you just remind us how much information you knew or what data you already had? I believe there's already a large phase I ongoing, so that should add some comfort there. But tell us about what you knew already on that molecule. And then for Dave, you've reiterated $7 billion of capacity. Can you just talk about the ability to do more in the context of the recent dividend pause or at least dividend growth pause recently, given that that doesn't happen very often, and how you think about your dividend? Thank you.
Speaker #3: Our thank you. Next question comes from Michael Yee with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #9: Thank you . Two questions . for One one for Dave . On the Chris and oral GLP one that you guys recently In-licensed , can you just remind us how much information you knew or what data you already had ?
Speaker #9: I believe there's already a large phase one ongoing , so that should add some some there . comfort But tell us about you knew already on that on that molecule .
Speaker #9: And Dave , you reiterated 7 billion of capacity . Can you just talk about the ability to do more in the context of the recent dividend pause , or at least dividend growth ?
Albert Bourla: Let me start with Dave for a change this time, and then we go to Chris.
Albert Bourla: Let me start with Dave for a change this time, and then we go to Chris.
Speaker #9: Pause recently, given that that doesn't happen very often, and how do you think about your dividend? Thank you.
Dave Denton: Yeah. So clearly, our focus is maintaining our dividend at the moment and growing our dividend over time. So it's a very important and critical structure and component of our capital allocation program. And again, we do have, coming into this year, we had $6 billion in BD capacity. It's actually gone up a bit as we've announced the pending liquidation of the VIV asset. So that actually is a good example of how we're looking at the set of assets that we have within Pfizer and understanding how we can best monetize them over time. So with that, I'll turn it over to Chris.
David Denton: Yeah. So clearly, our focus is maintaining our dividend at the moment and growing our dividend over time. So it's a very important and critical structure and component of our capital allocation program. And again, we do have, coming into this year, we had $6 billion in BD capacity. It's actually gone up a bit as we've announced the pending liquidation of the VIV asset. So that actually is a good example of how we're looking at the set of assets that we have within Pfizer and understanding how we can best monetize them over time. So with that, I'll turn it over to Chris.
Speaker #1: Let me start with Dave for a change this time. And then we’ll go to—yeah.
Speaker #2: So yeah, clearly our focus is maintaining our dividend at the moment and growing our dividend over time. So it's a very important and critical structure.
Speaker #2: And component of our capital allocation program . And again we do have coming into this year we had $6 billion in BD capacity is actually gone up a bit as we've announced the pending liquidation of the asset .
Speaker #2: So that actually is a good example of how we're looking at the set of assets that we have within Pfizer and understanding how we can best monetize them over time .
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much. 5002 is the YaoPharma oral small molecule, which is not on a dino-glucagon scaffold. It's currently in phase 1, and we've acquired it through an exclusive global collaboration and license agreement with YaoPharma. We plan to conduct phase 1 studies and also combination studies with our GIPR antagonist that's currently in a randomized expansion in phase 2. We're currently transitioning all the work to the US to start the phase 1 studies in the US, including manufacturing in the US.
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much. 5002 is the YaoPharma oral small molecule, which is not on a dino-glucagon scaffold. It's currently in phase 1, and we've acquired it through an exclusive global collaboration and license agreement with YaoPharma. We plan to conduct phase 1 studies and also combination studies with our GIPR antagonist that's currently in a randomized expansion in phase 2. We're currently transitioning all the work to the US to start the phase 1 studies in the US, including manufacturing in the US.
Speaker #2: So with I'll that , turn it
Speaker #2: Chris . over to
Speaker #6: very Thank you much . 5002 is the Yao Pharma oral small molecule , which is not on a danuglipron scaffold . It's currently in phase one , and we've acquired it through an exclusive global collaboration .
Speaker #6: And license agreement with Yao Pharma . And we plan to conduct phase one studies and also combination studies with our Gipr antagonist that's currently in a randomized experience in phase two .
Speaker #6: And we currently transitioning all the work to the US to start phase one studies in the US , including manufacturing in the .
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Next question, please.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Alex Hammond with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Alex Hammond with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you . Next question please .
[Analyst]: Thanks for taking the question. One of the key readouts guided for 2026 is that Lyme disease vaccine VALOR study. I have a few on this. When could we expect an update, and what are expectations for the launch if positive? What does vaccine contracting look like, and what channels will be the key target for you? And I guess finally, how big could this opportunity really be?
Alexandra Hammond: Thanks for taking the question. One of the key readouts guided for 2026 is that Lyme disease vaccine VALOR study. I have a few on this. When could we expect an update, and what are expectations for the launch if positive? What does vaccine contracting look like, and what channels will be the key target for you? And I guess finally, how big could this opportunity really be?
Speaker #3: Thank you. We'll go next to Alex Hammond with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Thanks for taking the question. So, one of the key readouts guided for '26 is that Lyme disease vaccine VALOR study. So, I have a few on this.
Speaker #10: When could we expect an update ? And what are our expectations for the launch ? If positive , what does the contracting look like and what channels the key will be target for you ?
Albert Bourla: Yes. Lyme disease?
Albert Bourla: Yes. Lyme disease?
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thank you, Aiera. So thank you very much. This could be a first-in-class vaccine for Lyme disease, the phase 3 VALOR trial. It's a multivalent protein subunit vaccine targeting all six outer surface proteins of Borrelia burgdorferi. The study we expect to read out first half of this year. Just a reminder, approximately 400,000 people in the US and 132,000 people in Europe affected by Lyme disease. And as you know, significant long-term morbidity and long-term sequelae. So a vaccine specifically in certain regions of the world could be very, very important.
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thank you, Aiera. So thank you very much. This could be a first-in-class vaccine for Lyme disease, the phase 3 VALOR trial. It's a multivalent protein subunit vaccine targeting all six outer surface proteins of Borrelia burgdorferi. The study we expect to read out first half of this year. Just a reminder, approximately 400,000 people in the US and 132,000 people in Europe affected by Lyme disease. And as you know, significant long-term morbidity and long-term sequelae. So a vaccine specifically in certain regions of the world could be very, very important.
Speaker #10: Guess how big this opportunity could finally really be?
Speaker #1: Yes . I'm disease .
Speaker #6: Yes . Thank you . I'll start . So thank you very much . This could be a first in class vaccine for Lyme disease .
Speaker #6: The phase three trial—it's a multivalent protein subunit vaccine targeting all six outer surface proteins of Borrelia burgdorferi. The study, we expect to read out in the first half of this year.
Speaker #6: Just a reminder , approximately four and 400,000 people in the US and 132,000 people in Europe affected by Lyme disease . And as you know , significant long term morbidity and long term sequelae .
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. We're already waiting to see the data. That could be a huge solution for an unmet medical need. Let's move to the next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. We're already waiting to see the data. That could be a huge solution for an unmet medical need. Let's move to the next question, please.
Speaker #6: So, a vaccine specifically in certain regions of the world could be very, very important.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Chris. We are eagerly awaiting to see the data on that. That will be a huge solution for an unmet medical need.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Mohit Bansal with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Mohit Bansal with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Let's move question . to the next Please .
Chris Boshoff: Great. Thank you very much for taking my question. And one more on the VESPER program here. We'd love to understand what kind of target profile you are looking at from the phase 3 trial. I'm asking because with the GLP-1, you kind of see mid- to high-teens kind of weight loss with an optimized GLP-1. And if you try to push it beyond that, you could probably start to run into tolerability issues. What makes you think that this longer-acting GLP-1 could provide higher weight loss than that with a better tolerability, or you think that monthly is probably the biggest differentiator here? Thank you. Chris, thank you very much. So it's both.
Mohit Bansal: Great. Thank you very much for taking my question. And one more on the VESPER program here. We'd love to understand what kind of target profile you are looking at from the phase 3 trial. I'm asking because with the GLP-1, you kind of see mid- to high-teens kind of weight loss with an optimized GLP-1. And if you try to push it beyond that, you could probably start to run into tolerability issues. What makes you think that this longer-acting GLP-1 could provide higher weight loss than that with a better tolerability, or you think that monthly is probably the biggest differentiator here? Thank you. Chris, thank you very much. So it's both.
Speaker #3: Thank you . We'll go next to Mohit Bansal Wells with Please . Fargo . ahead go
Speaker #5: Great . very much Thank you my question . for taking And one more on on the Vesper the program here . We'd like to understand what kind of target profile you are looking at from the phase three trial .
Speaker #5: I'm asking because with the GLP-1 , you kind of see mid to high teens kind of weight loss with an optimized GLP-1 . And if you try to push it beyond that , you could probably start to run into tolerability issues .
Speaker #5: What makes you think that this longer acting GLP-1 could could provide higher weight loss than that ? With a better you think tolerability ?
Speaker #5: Or monthly is probably the the biggest differentiator here ? Thank you . .
Chris Boshoff: We expect competitive weight loss, and the data we showed today, including with the predictions what to expect from the 9.6mg at 16mg weight loss, predicted at week 28, highly competitive, tolerable to be highly competitive, and then, of course, monthly dosing, which will be highly differentiated. Just to point out, we are also planning a Phase 3 study, which will evaluate switching. So patients already on weekly therapy doing well to switch those patients to monthly dosing.
Chris Boshoff: We expect competitive weight loss, and the data we showed today, including with the predictions what to expect from the 9.6mg at 16mg weight loss, predicted at week 28, highly competitive, tolerable to be highly competitive, and then, of course, monthly dosing, which will be highly differentiated. Just to point out, we are also planning a Phase 3 study, which will evaluate switching. So patients already on weekly therapy doing well to switch those patients to monthly dosing.
Speaker #1: Chris .
Speaker #6: Thank you very much . There's both . We expect competitive weight loss and the data we showed today , including with the predictions of what to expect from the 9.6mg at 16mg weight loss .
Speaker #6: We predicted at week 28 , highly competitive competitive . , tolerable to And be highly then of course , monthly highly . will be dosing , which differentiated Just to point out , we are also planning a phase which three study , will evaluate switching .
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. This is not only ours, of course, weekly to monthly, but also other GLP-1s that are in the market. They want to move, after they achieve a weight loss, into maintenance with only one injection rather than with four. Of course, there are also the oral solutions, but that's going from one weekly to one daily pill. Some will do it, but I think our research shows that most would like, if they are already used, a needle, and they would like to switch mostly to a more convenient needle, which is once a month. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. This is not only ours, of course, weekly to monthly, but also other GLP-1s that are in the market. They want to move, after they achieve a weight loss, into maintenance with only one injection rather than with four. Of course, there are also the oral solutions, but that's going from one weekly to one daily pill. Some will do it, but I think our research shows that most would like, if they are already used, a needle, and they would like to switch mostly to a more convenient needle, which is once a month. Next question, please.
Speaker #6: So patients already on weekly therapy doing well to switch those patients to monthly dosing .
Speaker #1: Thank you Chris . And this is not only hours . Of course weekly to monthly but also any other GLP-1 that are in the market .
Speaker #1: And they want to move after they achieve a weight loss into a maintenance with only one injection , rather than with for . Of course , there is also the oral solutions , but that's going for one weekly to one daily pill .
Speaker #1: Some will do it , but I think our research shows that most would like , if they are already used needle and they would like to switch mostly to a more convenient once a is month needle , which .
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Evan Seigerman with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. We'll go next to Evan Seigerman with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: next The question please .
Akash Tewari: Hi, guys. Thank you so much for taking my question. I just wanted to touch on your comments around investment in AI. What are some metrics you're putting around that? And more broadly, I just want to ensure that this is going to derive a good return on your investment versus just kind of feeding into the hype.
Evan Seigerman: Hi, guys. Thank you so much for taking my question. I just wanted to touch on your comments around investment in AI. What are some metrics you're putting around that? And more broadly, I just want to ensure that this is going to derive a good return on your investment versus just kind of feeding into the hype.
Speaker #3: Thank you . We'll go next to Evan Seggerman with BMO Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Speaker #11: Hi . Hi , guys . Thank you so much for taking my question . I just wanted to touch on your comments around investment in AI .
Speaker #11: What are some metrics you're putting around that? And more broadly, I just want to ensure that this is going to derive a good return on your investment versus just kind of feeding into the hype.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. It's a very good question. And let me start, but then I will ask specific marketing achievements and R&D achievements through AI. In general, there are things in AI that the technology is ready now, and those are deploying very, very fast. And certainly, AI cannot do everything, but certainly can do more than what it is used right now to do. And that has to do with how successful you are in implementing it, embedding it into your organizational footprint, embedding it into your business processes, and also creating AI literacy among the employees that eventually are using this AI. That clearly affects everything from enabling functions. And maybe Dave can speak a little bit about the things that we are doing there. I mean, when I say enabling functions from finance, HR, legal, you name it.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. It's a very good question. And let me start, but then I will ask specific marketing achievements and R&D achievements through AI. In general, there are things in AI that the technology is ready now, and those are deploying very, very fast. And certainly, AI cannot do everything, but certainly can do more than what it is used right now to do. And that has to do with how successful you are in implementing it, embedding it into your organizational footprint, embedding it into your business processes, and also creating AI literacy among the employees that eventually are using this AI. That clearly affects everything from enabling functions. And maybe Dave can speak a little bit about the things that we are doing there. I mean, when I say enabling functions from finance, HR, legal, you name it.
Speaker #1: It's a very good question . And let let me start . But then I will ask specific a marketing achievements and R&D achievements through AI in general .
Speaker #1: There are things in AI that the technology is ready now , and those are deploying very , very fast . And certainly AI cannot do everything .
Speaker #1: But certainly can do more than what it is used right now to do . And that has to do the how with successful you are in implementing it .
Speaker #1: It’s embedding into your organizational footprint, embedding it into your business processes, and also creating AI literacy among the employees that eventually are using this AI.
Speaker #1: With that , clearly affects everything from enabling functions . And maybe Dave can speak a little bit about the things that we are doing there .
Speaker #1: I mean , when I say enabling functions from finance , HR . Legal , you name it . And of course in R&D , where we have seen already significant productivity enhancements in marketing , that it is helping us to maximize the ROI .
Albert Bourla: And of course, in R&D, where we have seen already significant productivity enhancements in marketing, that it is helping us to maximize the ROI right now. And in manufacturing, where a very big part of the savings that were achieved were achieved of a successful deployment of an AI use case that is called the Golden Batch. Chris, you want to give some specific examples?
And of course, in R&D, where we have seen already significant productivity enhancements in marketing, that it is helping us to maximize the ROI right now. And in manufacturing, where a very big part of the savings that were achieved were achieved of a successful deployment of an AI use case that is called the Golden Batch. Chris, you want to give some specific examples?
Speaker #1: Right now, and in manufacturing, where a very big part of the savings that were achieved were achieved off a successful deployment of an AI use case, that is called the Golden Bots.
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thank you very much for the question. So as you pointed out, in R&D, we're embedding AI in each function, meaning in discovery, medical, regulatory, safety, pharmacovigilance, clinical trial execution. And we're recruiting and embedding AI engineers in each of those functions to work with the scientists and the clinicians, how to measure success, productivity, productivity speed, and cost, to bring cost down by embedding AI, and obviously, accelerating speed.
Chris Boshoff: Yes. Thank you very much for the question. So as you pointed out, in R&D, we're embedding AI in each function, meaning in discovery, medical, regulatory, safety, pharmacovigilance, clinical trial execution. And we're recruiting and embedding AI engineers in each of those functions to work with the scientists and the clinicians, how to measure success, productivity, productivity speed, and cost, to bring cost down by embedding AI, and obviously, accelerating speed.
Speaker #1: Want to give Chris—do you have some specific examples?
Speaker #6: you very much for the Yes . Thank question . in So pointed out R&D , we embedding AI in each function , meaning in discovery , medical , regulatory safety , pharmacovigilance , clinical trial execution .
Speaker #6: And we're recruiting and embedding AI engineers in each of those functions to work with the scientists and the clinicians. How do we measure success, productivity?
Speaker #6: Productivity is speed and cost to be bring costs down by embedding AI . And obviously accelerating speed .
Albert Bourla: What about in commerce?
Albert Bourla: What about in commerce?
Akash Tewari: Yep. Evan, I think metrics are at the heart of everything that we're doing with AI. I'll give you two very specific examples. One is our field force productivity. We're using AI to not only help train our field forces but also help make their time with physicians maximized. So we invest more time with physicians rather than behind screens. Second is on the marketing side, we measure MROI. And you've seen us be very disciplined, as Dave alluded to, in our SI&E spend, particularly as we're trying to grow revenue for a lot of our launch and acquired brands. And AI has absolutely helped us increase our MROIs by being much, much more targeted about where we invest.
Alexandre de Germay: Yep. Evan, I think metrics are at the heart of everything that we're doing with AI. I'll give you two very specific examples. One is our field force productivity. We're using AI to not only help train our field forces but also help make their time with physicians maximized. So we invest more time with physicians rather than behind screens. Second is on the marketing side, we measure MROI. And you've seen us be very disciplined, as Dave alluded to, in our SI&E spend, particularly as we're trying to grow revenue for a lot of our launch and acquired brands. And AI has absolutely helped us increase our MROIs by being much, much more targeted about where we invest.
Speaker #1: What about in commercial ?
Speaker #8: Yeah , I think metrics are at the heart of everything that we're doing with with AI . I'll give you two very specific examples .
Speaker #8: One is our field force productivity. We're using AI to not only help train our field forces, but also help make their time with physicians maximized.
Speaker #8: So we invest more time with physicians rather than behind screens . Second is on the marketing side , we measure ROI seen us and you've be very Dave disciplined .
Speaker #8: As alluded to in our spend, particularly as we're trying to grow revenue for a lot of our launch and acquired brands. And AI has absolutely helped us increase our efficiency by being much, much more targeted about where we invest.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Alexandre, you did fantastic things also in international with AI.
Albert Bourla: Thank you. Alexandre, you did fantastic things also in international with AI.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. That's right. I mean, every step of the way when we interact with our customer is subject to an improvement with AI. Let me give you an example. Pre-call planning for our rep is actually done better when it is done with AI. The quality of the interaction is listened so that we can rerun those interactions so that we can improve the quality of the interaction. We can also do targeting in a better way so that we have advanced targeting thanks to AI. And finally, imagine that operating globally with very different regulatory requirements require every country to redo and reassess every promotional pieces. With AI, we can do that instantly in all those markets. We don't need to rerun all those activities at every country. So that has massive impact on productivity and speed to market.
Chris Boshoff: Yeah. That's right. I mean, every step of the way when we interact with our customer is subject to an improvement with AI. Let me give you an example. Pre-call planning for our rep is actually done better when it is done with AI. The quality of the interaction is listened so that we can rerun those interactions so that we can improve the quality of the interaction. We can also do targeting in a better way so that we have advanced targeting thanks to AI. And finally, imagine that operating globally with very different regulatory requirements require every country to redo and reassess every promotional pieces. With AI, we can do that instantly in all those markets. We don't need to rerun all those activities at every country. So that has massive impact on productivity and speed to market.
Speaker #1: Thank you . Alexander , you did fantastic things . Also in international with AI .
Speaker #12: Yeah . That's right . I mean , every step of the way when we interact with our customer is subject to an improvement with AI .
Speaker #12: Let me give you an example . Planning for our rep is actually done better when it is done with AI . The quality of the interaction is lessened so that we can rerun those interactions so that we can improve the quality of the interaction .
Speaker #12: We can also do targeting in a better way , so that we have advanced targeting . Thanks to AI . And finally , imagine that operating globally with very different regulatory requirements require every country to redo and reassess every promotional pieces with AI , we can do that instantly in all those markets .
Albert Bourla: And Dave, maybe we can also give.
Albert Bourla: And Dave, maybe we can also give.
Speaker #12: We don't need to rerun all those activities in every country, so that has a massive impact on productivity, speed, and time to market.
Dave Denton: Yeah. Maybe just two points. From an enabling functions perspective, I think about AI in us leveraging our vendors because we have big vendor technology platforms across our enterprise. And as they make investments in their platform, we're taking advantage of those and embedding those within our process, which is increasing our productivity. And then secondly, think about our business model. We have routine transactions, but we have a large number of products that are across literally hundreds of markets. So AI is allowing us to use those datasets to essentially automate some of those transactions to make it very efficient that today we deploy resources to be able to do that. So now the technology is enabling us to be a lot more productive.
David Denton: Yeah. Maybe just two points. From an enabling functions perspective, I think about AI in us leveraging our vendors because we have big vendor technology platforms across our enterprise. And as they make investments in their platform, we're taking advantage of those and embedding those within our process, which is increasing our productivity. And then secondly, think about our business model. We have routine transactions, but we have a large number of products that are across literally hundreds of markets. So AI is allowing us to use those datasets to essentially automate some of those transactions to make it very efficient that today we deploy resources to be able to do that. So now the technology is enabling us to be a lot more productive.
Speaker #1: And Dave , maybe .
Speaker #2: maybe just Yeah , two points from an enabling functions perspective . I think about AI in us leveraging our vendors because we have big vendor technology platforms across our enterprise , and as they make investments in their platform , we're taking advantage of those .
Speaker #2: And embedding those within our process , which is increasing our productivity . And then secondly , think about our business model . We have a we have routine transactions , but we have a large number of products that are across literally hundreds of markets .
Speaker #2: So, AI is allowing us to use those data sets to essentially automate some of those transactions to make it very efficient. Today, we deploy resources to be able to do that.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. So in closing, Evan, that's why we put it as one of the four imperative strategic priorities we plan to do, which is to scale up because we have so big success. Many people are asking us, "How is it possible that Pfizer was able to take so much cost out of its operations without affecting the top line?" And the answer is AI. We didn't just cut cost. What we did is we improved productivity. And the main lever, of course, there was simplification efforts that also took place. But the main lever was the successful deployment of AI where basically, we were reducing the cost without that being seen in the activity. So very excited about the prospects of AI. Next question, please.
Albert Bourla: Yeah. So in closing, Evan, that's why we put it as one of the four imperative strategic priorities we plan to do, which is to scale up because we have so big success. Many people are asking us, "How is it possible that Pfizer was able to take so much cost out of its operations without affecting the top line?" And the answer is AI. We didn't just cut cost. What we did is we improved productivity. And the main lever, of course, there was simplification efforts that also took place. But the main lever was the successful deployment of AI where basically, we were reducing the cost without that being seen in the activity. So very excited about the prospects of AI. Next question, please.
Speaker #2: So now the technology is enabling us to be a lot more productive .
Speaker #1: So in closing , Evan , that's why we put it as a as one of the for imperatives priorities strategic that we plan to do , which is to scale because we up have so big success .
Speaker #1: Many people are asking us , how is it possible that Pfizer was able to take so much cost out of its operations without affecting line the top ?
Speaker #1: And the answer is AI just cut . didn't We cost . What we did is we productivity and the improved main lever . Of course , there were simplification that efforts also took place , but the main level was the successful deployment of AI , where basically by you are reducing the cost .
Speaker #1: Without that being seen in the activity . So very excited about the prospects of AI . Next question please .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from David Risinger with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from David Risinger with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.
Vamil Divan: Yes. Thanks very much. And thanks for all the updates. So my question is for Chris. Chris, could you talk a little bit more about Metsera 233, which I believe is now numbered 3945, specifically the bias of amylin relative to calcitonin, the implications for the efficacy and tolerability profile, and the data we should expect at ADA? Thanks very much.
David Risinger: Yes. Thanks very much. And thanks for all the updates. So my question is for Chris. Chris, could you talk a little bit more about Metsera 233, which I believe is now numbered 3945, specifically the bias of amylin relative to calcitonin, the implications for the efficacy and tolerability profile, and the data we should expect at ADA? Thanks very much.
Speaker #3: next question Thank you . Our comes from Dave Risinger with Leerink Partners . Please go ahead .
Speaker #1: Yes . Thanks very much . And thanks for all the updates . So my question is for Chris . Chris , could you talk a little bit more about met 233 , which I believe is now numbered 3945 specifically , the bias of Amylin relative to calcitonin , the implications for the efficacy and tolerability profile and the data we should expect at Ada .
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. So this is an ultra-long-acting amylin, which was previously shown to have a monotherapy efficacy of 8.4% placebo-adjusted weight loss at day 36. It's a dual molecule, so it's not biased to the one. Its placebo-like tolerability was previously shown with a monotherapy, and that gave confidence for starting the combination of 3944 and 3945 or 3. Previously, early data shown at day 8, 5% weight loss, but obviously, that's very early. So we will update those data later this year. This is an important combination for us because we believe with this combination, we can have best-in-class efficacy with a monthly dosing, which will be highly differentiated for this combination.
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. So this is an ultra-long-acting amylin, which was previously shown to have a monotherapy efficacy of 8.4% placebo-adjusted weight loss at day 36. It's a dual molecule, so it's not biased to the one. Its placebo-like tolerability was previously shown with a monotherapy, and that gave confidence for starting the combination of 3944 and 3945 or 3. Previously, early data shown at day 8, 5% weight loss, but obviously, that's very early. So we will update those data later this year. This is an important combination for us because we believe with this combination, we can have best-in-class efficacy with a monthly dosing, which will be highly differentiated for this combination.
Speaker #1: Thanks very much .
Speaker #6: Thank you very much for the question . So this is an ultra long acting amylin , which was previously shown to have a monotherapy efficacy of 8.4% placebo adjusted weight loss at day 36 .
Speaker #6: It's a dual molecule , so it's not biased to the one it's placebo like tolerability was previously shown with the monotherapy . And that gave confidence for the starting the combination of 3.944 and 394 5 or 3 .
Speaker #6: Previously , early data shown that day eight 5% weight loss . But obviously that's early . So we very will those data later this year .
Speaker #6: This is an important combination for us because we believe with this combination we can have best in class efficacy with monthly dosing , which will be highly differentiated for this .
Albert Bourla: Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Now it's time for the last question.
Albert Bourla: Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Now it's time for the last question.
Operator: Thank you. Our final question comes from Louise Chen with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our final question comes from Louise Chen with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: For this combination, yes.
Speaker #1: Thank you . Thank you Chris . And now it's time for the last question .
[Analyst]: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask you first, it's been a couple of years since you completed the acquisition of Seagen, and I'm just curious how that integration has gone. And then how does that deal really increase your leadership in oncology? And then just a second quick question to your PD-1 VEGF. It's becoming a more crowded market, so just curious where you expect to stand out with respect to your pipeline. I mean, there's some indications that are coming before yours, but is there anything special that you would like to call out? Thank you.
Louise Chen: Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask you first, it's been a couple of years since you completed the acquisition of Seagen, and I'm just curious how that integration has gone. And then how does that deal really increase your leadership in oncology? And then just a second quick question to your PD-1 VEGF. It's becoming a more crowded market, so just curious where you expect to stand out with respect to your pipeline. I mean, there's some indications that are coming before yours, but is there anything special that you would like to call out? Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you . Our final question comes from Louise Chen with Scotiabank . Please go ahead .
Speaker #13: Hi . Thanks for taking my questions . I wanted to ask you first . It's been a couple of years since you've completed the acquisition of Seagen , and I'm just curious how that integration has gone and then does that how deal really increase your leadership in oncology ?
Speaker #13: And then just a second quick question , or your PD one VEGF , it's becoming more crowded market . So just curious where you expect to stand out with respect to your pipeline .
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Louise. Clearly, Seagen has been integrated on research, commercial, manufacturing, and multiple other levels. But given that Chris was the leader that drove the integration during the first sensitive year, Chris, maybe you want to make a comment on how the integration of Seagen went and is continuing to do it.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Louise. Clearly, Seagen has been integrated on research, commercial, manufacturing, and multiple other levels. But given that Chris was the leader that drove the integration during the first sensitive year, Chris, maybe you want to make a comment on how the integration of Seagen went and is continuing to do it.
Speaker #13: There are some indications that are coming before yours. But is there anything special that you would like to call out? Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you . Lisa Susan has been . Clearly , on integrated , commercial research manufacturing and multiple other levels , but given that Chris was the that drove leader the integration .
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. So firstly, we have a vibrant community of scientists and physicians in Seattle. I believe we're one of the biggest employers in the biotech or biopharma industry in that region. Most of the colleagues actually remained at Pfizer, which is just a testament of our culture and the success after integration. A number of programs have started and being accelerated, including, as you've seen, the readout for 303 and 304 for Paxlovid. We are planning an additional phase 3 study for Paxlovid. We will start later this year. It's an important study for us and for patients because that is a study to potentially replace cystectomy, which, as you know, leads to significant morbidity and mortality.
Chris Boshoff: Thank you very much for the question. So firstly, we have a vibrant community of scientists and physicians in Seattle. I believe we're one of the biggest employers in the biotech or biopharma industry in that region. Most of the colleagues actually remained at Pfizer, which is just a testament of our culture and the success after integration. A number of programs have started and being accelerated, including, as you've seen, the readout for 303 and 304 for Paxlovid. We are planning an additional phase 3 study for Paxlovid. We will start later this year. It's an important study for us and for patients because that is a study to potentially replace cystectomy, which, as you know, leads to significant morbidity and mortality.
Speaker #1: During the first sensitive year, Chris, maybe you want to make a comment on how the integration of CGM went and is continuing.
Speaker #6: Thank you very much for the question . So firstly , we have a vibrant community of scientists and clinicians in Seattle . I believe we're one of the biggest employers in the biotech or biopharma industry in that in that region , most of the colleagues actually remained at Pfizer , which is just a testament of our culture and the success of the integration .
Speaker #6: A number of programs have started , and being accelerated , including , as you've seen , the readout for 303 and 304 for passive , we are planning an additional phase three study for passive start later this year .
Speaker #6: So important study for us and for patients because that is to study to potentially replace cystectomy , which as you know , leads to significant morbidity and mortality .
Chris Boshoff: We also accelerate a number of other programs into phase 3, including SV with two phase 3 studies ongoing, an additional phase 3 study that's going to start, PDL1B, another phase 3 program ongoing in non-small cell lung cancer, and a number of phase 1 ADCs that's differentiated, including using the integrin beta-6 antigen as a marker with new payloads, including TOPO2 and new auristatin-based payloads. So, overall, integration, Seagen going very, very well. Regarding 4404, it is a differentiated molecule. What we've seen in the preclinical data was a 100-fold increase for the affinity for PD-1 in the presence of VEGF and binding to all isoforms of VEGF-A. So preclinical data highly encouraging. Overall, encouraged by the field now, as you know, we've recently seen from China first-line non-small cell lung data that was positive. The data we've seen with a combination of 4404 with chemotherapy are highly encouraging.
We also accelerate a number of other programs into phase 3, including SV with two phase 3 studies ongoing, an additional phase 3 study that's going to start, PDL1B, another phase 3 program ongoing in non-small cell lung cancer, and a number of phase 1 ADCs that's differentiated, including using the integrin beta-6 antigen as a marker with new payloads, including TOPO2 and new auristatin-based payloads. So, overall, integration, Seagen going very, very well. Regarding 4404, it is a differentiated molecule. What we've seen in the preclinical data was a 100-fold increase for the affinity for PD-1 in the presence of VEGF and binding to all isoforms of VEGF-A. So preclinical data highly encouraging. Overall, encouraged by the field now, as you know, we've recently seen from China first-line non-small cell lung data that was positive. The data we've seen with a combination of 4404 with chemotherapy are highly encouraging.
Speaker #6: We also have programs into phase three, a number of – celebrate others, including SV, with two phase three studies ongoing and an additional phase three study.
Speaker #6: That's going to start PD-L1, V, and another Phase 3 program ongoing in non-small cell lung cancer, and a number of Phase 1 ADCs.
Speaker #6: That's differentiated, including using the integrin beta 6 antigen as a marker with new payloads, including Caco and different new auristatin-based payloads.
Speaker #6: So, integration overall this season is going very, very well regarding 4404. It is a differentiated molecule. What we've seen in the preclinical data was a 100-fold increase in affinity for PD-1.
Speaker #6: In the presence of VEGF and binding to all isoforms of Vegf-a . So preclinical data highly encouraging overall , encouraged by the field .
Speaker #6: Now , as you know , we've recently seen from China first line non-small cell data . lung positive . The we data seen with the combination of 404 with chemotherapy are highly encouraging .
Chris Boshoff: We accelerate the program, as you've seen, and started phase 3 programs already for colorectal cancer. Earlier this year, we'll also start with first-line phase 3 with non-small cell lung cancer, and then endometrial cancer and bladder cancer, including combinations with our ADC portfolio.
We accelerate the program, as you've seen, and started phase 3 programs already for colorectal cancer. Earlier this year, we'll also start with first-line phase 3 with non-small cell lung cancer, and then endometrial cancer and bladder cancer, including combinations with our ADC portfolio.
Speaker #6: And as we accelerate the program , as you've seen and started phase three programs already for colorectal cancer , and earlier this year , we'll also start with first line phase three with non-small cell lung cancer .
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Very exciting. So thank you very much, everyone. Clearly, I'm very proud of what we achieved in 2025 in multiple horizons. The last piece of the puzzle was revealed today with the Q4 results, which were stellar. We beat with a significant margin, revenues, and earnings in the face of the lowest-ever COVID season but generated the lowest-ever revenues because of the way that this strain was mild. Now, we are already in 2026. This is a pivotal year because it marked the first year of an LOE cycle but already started this year. We've been preparing for that for many years with the acquisitions we have done, strategic and licensing agreements, while also we were sharpening our focus on the most impactful internal programs. Our US and international commercial organizations have refined models to strengthen leadership with key product portfolios.
Albert Bourla: Thank you, Chris. Very exciting. So thank you very much, everyone. Clearly, I'm very proud of what we achieved in 2025 in multiple horizons. The last piece of the puzzle was revealed today with the Q4 results, which were stellar. We beat with a significant margin, revenues, and earnings in the face of the lowest-ever COVID season but generated the lowest-ever revenues because of the way that this strain was mild. Now, we are already in 2026. This is a pivotal year because it marked the first year of an LOE cycle but already started this year. We've been preparing for that for many years with the acquisitions we have done, strategic and licensing agreements, while also we were sharpening our focus on the most impactful internal programs. Our US and international commercial organizations have refined models to strengthen leadership with key product portfolios.
Speaker #6: And then endometrial cancer and bladder cancer , including combinations with our ADC portfolio .
Speaker #1: Thank you Chris . Very exciting . So thank you very much everyone . Clearly I'm very proud of what we achieved in 2025 .
Speaker #1: In multiple horizons , the last piece of the puzzle was revealed today with the fourth quarter results , which were stellar . We beat with a significant margin , revenues and earnings in the face of the lowest ever Covid season .
Speaker #1: But generated the lowest ever revenues because of the way this that strain was mild . Now already we are in 2026 and this is a pivotal year because it marked the first year of an Loi cycle , but already started this year , and we've been preparing for that for many years .
Speaker #1: With the acquisitions we have done strategic and licensing agreements that also sharpening our focus on the most impactful internal programs our US and international commercial organizations have refined models to strengthen leadership with key product portfolios , streamlining and financial discipline are , of course , ongoing priorities .
Albert Bourla: Streamlining and financial discipline are, of course, ongoing priorities. We will continue strategic investment in future growth and value creation for our shareholders, including by maintaining, and over the long term, growing our dividend. Our 2026 strategic agenda is clear, and I'm confident in the progress we will achieve. Thank you for your interest in Pfizer, and we look forward to continuing to share our progress with you in the year ahead.
Streamlining and financial discipline are, of course, ongoing priorities. We will continue strategic investment in future growth and value creation for our shareholders, including by maintaining, and over the long term, growing our dividend. Our 2026 strategic agenda is clear, and I'm confident in the progress we will achieve. Thank you for your interest in Pfizer, and we look forward to continuing to share our progress with you in the year ahead.
Speaker #1: We will continue strategic investment in future growth and value creation for our shareholders , including by maintaining and over the long term , growing our dividend , our 2026 Strategic agenda is clear , and I'm confident in the progress we will achieve .
Speaker #1: Thank your you for interest in we look Pfizer and forward to continuing to share our progress with you in the year ahead .
Operator: Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.
Speaker #3: Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's meeting. We appreciate your time and participation. You may now disconnect.
