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Q4 2025 Interactive Brokers Group Inc Earnings Call
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Nancy Stuebe: Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our Q4 2025 earnings call. Joining us today are Thomas Peterffy, our Founder and Chairman; Milan Galik, our President and CEO; and Paul Brody, our CFO. I will be presenting Milan's comments on the business, and all three will be available at our Q&A.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. Joining us today are Thomas Petterfie, our founder and chairman; Milan Gowick, our president and CEO; and Paul Brody, our CFO.
Speaker #2: I will be presenting Milan's comments on the business, and all three will be available at our Q&A. As a reminder, today's call may include forward-looking statements, which represent the company's belief regarding future events. These, by their nature, are not certain and are outside of the company's control.
Operator: As a reminder, today's call may include forward-looking statements which represent the company's belief regarding future events, which by their nature are not certain and are outside of the company's control. Our actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from what is indicated in these forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release. You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC. In the Q4, we continue to demonstrate the power and leverage of our diversified, fully automated global platform, which serves the full spectrum of investors, from those new to the markets buying their first fractional share of a Magnificent Seven stock in a cash account, through sophisticated traders benefiting from low cost and geographical reach, to professionals using our APIs and algorithms to execute advanced quantitative strategies in portfolio margin accounts.
As a reminder, today's call may include forward-looking statements which represent the company's belief regarding future events, which by their nature are not certain and are outside of the company's control. Our actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from what is indicated in these forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release. You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC.
Q4 2025 Interactive Brokers Group Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Our actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from what is indicated in these forward-looking statements. We ask that you refer to the disclaimers in our press release.
Speaker #2: You should also review a description of risk factors contained in our financial reports filed with the SEC. In the fourth quarter, we continue to demonstrate the power and leverage of our diversified, fully automated global platform.
In the Q4, we continue to demonstrate the power and leverage of our diversified, fully automated global platform, which serves the full spectrum of investors, from those new to the markets buying their first fractional share of a Magnificent Seven stock in a cash account, through sophisticated traders benefiting from low cost and geographical reach, to professionals using our APIs and algorithms to execute advanced quantitative strategies in portfolio margin accounts.
Speaker #2: We serve the full spectrum of investors, from those new to the markets, buying their first fractional share of a Magnificent Seven stock in a cash account, through sophisticated traders benefiting from low cost and geographical reach, to professionals using our APIs and algorithms to execute advanced quantitative strategies in portfolio margin accounts.
Speaker #2: Many clients start gradually and evolve into active, sophisticated traders, and our platforms are designed to support that entire journey, supporting their growth with us along the way at every stage.
Operator: Many clients start gradually and evolve into active, sophisticated traders, and our platforms are designed to support that entire journey, supporting their growth with us along the way at every stage. We continue to see strong international interest in the global securities markets on a secular basis as people around the world seek higher returns on their assets as interest rates decline and as other financial institutions pay them less. In 2025, we added more than 1 million net new accounts, an annual record for the firm. Client equity rose 37% to $780 billion, an increase of more than $200 billion year over year, and the first time we've ended a year with over three-quarters of a trillion dollars in client assets. Cyclically, rising markets and expectations for lower interest rates drive increased client engagement.
Many clients start gradually and evolve into active, sophisticated traders, and our platforms are designed to support that entire journey, supporting their growth with us along the way at every stage. We continue to see strong international interest in the global securities markets on a secular basis as people around the world seek higher returns on their assets as interest rates decline and as other financial institutions pay them less.
Speaker #2: We continue to see strong international interest in the global securities markets on a secular basis, as people around the world seek higher returns on their assets as interest rates decline, and as other financial institutions pay them less.
In 2025, we added more than 1 million net new accounts, an annual record for the firm. Client equity rose 37% to $780 billion, an increase of more than $200 billion year over year, and the first time we've ended a year with over three-quarters of a trillion dollars in client assets. Cyclically, rising markets and expectations for lower interest rates drive increased client engagement.
Speaker #2: In 2025, we added more than 1 million net new accounts, an annual record for the firm. Client equity rose 37% to $780 billion, an increase of more than $200 billion year over year, and it's the first time we've ended a year with over three-quarters of a trillion dollars in client assets.
Speaker #2: Cyclically, rising markets and expectations for lower interest rates drive increased client engagement. Clients traded actively, grew more comfortable taking on risk, increased their market exposure, and made greater use of leverage through margin loans.
Operator: Clients traded actively, grew more comfortable taking on risk, increased their market exposure, and made greater use of leverage through margin loans. They also expanded beyond equities into other asset classes, including options and futures. Our client-centric focus, by which we mean delivering global market access at extremely competitive pricing on state-of-the-art platforms, is best reflected in one simple measure: our clients' performance. In 2025, the S&P 500 rose 17.9%. By comparison, our clients outperformed. Individual investors here were up, on average, 19.2%, or 130 basis points above the S&P 500. Financial advisors were up 20.57% on average, or 267 basis points above the market. Hedge fund clients were up 28.91% on average, a full 11 percentage points ahead of the S&P.
Clients traded actively, grew more comfortable taking on risk, increased their market exposure, and made greater use of leverage through margin loans. They also expanded beyond equities into other asset classes, including options and futures. Our client-centric focus, by which we mean delivering global market access at extremely competitive pricing on state-of-the-art platforms, is best reflected in one simple measure: our clients' performance. In 2025, the S&P 500 rose 17.9%.
Speaker #2: They also expanded beyond equities into other asset classes, including options and futures. Our client-centric focus, by which we mean delivering global market access at extremely competitive pricing on state-of-the-art platforms, is best reflected in one simple measure: our clients' performance.
Speaker #2: In 2025, the S&P 500 rose 17.9%. By comparison, our clients outperformed. Individual investors here were up, on average, 19.2%, or 130 basis points above the S&P 500.
By comparison, our clients outperformed. Individual investors here were up, on average, 19.2%, or 130 basis points above the S&P 500. Financial advisors were up 20.57% on average, or 267 basis points above the market. Hedge fund clients were up 28.91% on average, a full 11 percentage points ahead of the S&P.
Speaker #2: Financial advisors were up 20.57% on average, or 267 basis points above the market. Hedge fund clients were up 28.91% on average, a full 11 percentage points ahead of the S&P.
Speaker #2: This performance is the direct result of our focus on empowering clients. Through low trade and margin pricing and less drag from costs, superior trade execution, advanced order types and algorithms, the advantage of attractive interest rates on cash and short proceeds, as well as the many advantages of our platforms—from AI and research tools to comprehensive educational offerings.
Operator: This performance is the direct result of our focus on empowering clients through low trade and margin pricing and less drag from costs, superior trade execution, advanced order types and algorithms, the advantage of attractive interest rates on cash and short proceeds, as well as the many advantages of our platforms, from AI and research tools to comprehensive educational offerings. It is why clients come to us. No gimmicks, no games, just the best prices and the most comprehensive platforms. It is why the best informed investors choose Interactive Brokers. That client focus, combined with strong global demand for investing, translated into exceptional financial results. Quarterly adjusted pre-tax income reached a record level of more than $1 billion for the fifth consecutive quarter, despite lower interest rates. For the full year, we generated more than $6 billion in net revenues for the first time.
This performance is the direct result of our focus on empowering clients through low trade and margin pricing and less drag from costs, superior trade execution, advanced order types and algorithms, the advantage of attractive interest rates on cash and short proceeds, as well as the many advantages of our platforms, from AI and research tools to comprehensive educational offerings. It is why clients come to us.
Speaker #2: It is why clients come to us: no gimmicks, no games, just the best prices and the most comprehensive platforms. It is why the best-informed investors choose Interactive Brokers.
No gimmicks, no games, just the best prices and the most comprehensive platforms. It is why the best informed investors choose Interactive Brokers. That client focus, combined with strong global demand for investing, translated into exceptional financial results. Quarterly adjusted pre-tax income reached a record level of more than $1 billion for the fifth consecutive quarter, despite lower interest rates. For the full year, we generated more than $6 billion in net revenues for the first time.
Speaker #2: That client focus, combined with strong global demand for investing, translated into exceptional financial results. Quarterly adjusted pre-tax income reached a record level of more than $1 billion for the fifth consecutive quarter, despite lower interest rates.
Speaker #2: For the full year, we generated more than $6 billion in net revenues for the first time. We continually invest in improving our platform from front to back end, supported by a global team of programmers who deliver new functionality, ongoing enhancements, and client-driven improvements, while also meeting the diverse regulatory requirements across the many market centers and currencies we support.
Operator: We continually invest in improving our platform from front to back end, supported by a global team of programmers who deliver new functionality, ongoing enhancements, and client-driven improvements, while also meeting the diverse regulatory requirements across the many market centers and currencies we support. This year, throughout 2025, we introduced a wide range of new products and enhancements worldwide, guided by deep engagement with and a strong understanding of the needs of our diverse client base. This year, we expanded market access to Brazil, Taiwan, the UAE, and Slovenia, with additional countries planned for 2026. We continue to add to our ever-growing list of country-specific tax-advantaged funds. We offer traditional and Roth IRAs in the US, as well as Canadian RRSPs and TFSAs, UK ISAs, French PEAs, and Hungarian TBSZs. This year, we added Swedish ISKs, Japan's NISAs, and Canadian FHSAs.
We continually invest in improving our platform from front to back end, supported by a global team of programmers who deliver new functionality, ongoing enhancements, and client-driven improvements, while also meeting the diverse regulatory requirements across the many market centers and currencies we support. This year, throughout 2025, we introduced a wide range of new products and enhancements worldwide, guided by deep engagement with and a strong understanding of the needs of our diverse client base.
Speaker #2: Throughout 2025, we introduced a wide range of new products and enhancements worldwide, guided by deep engagement with, and a strong understanding of, the needs of our diverse client base.
This year, we expanded market access to Brazil, Taiwan, the UAE, and Slovenia, with additional countries planned for 2026. We continue to add to our ever-growing list of country-specific tax-advantaged funds. We offer traditional and Roth IRAs in the US, as well as Canadian RRSPs and TFSAs, UK ISAs, French PEAs, and Hungarian TBSZs. This year, we added Swedish ISKs, Japan's NISAs, and Canadian FHSAs.
Speaker #2: This year, we expanded market access to Brazil, Taiwan, the UAE, and Slovenia, with additional countries planned for 2026. We continue to add to our ever-growing list of country-specific tax-advantaged funds.
Speaker #2: We offer traditional and Roth IRAs in the US, as well as Canadian RRSPs and TFSAs, UK ISAs, French PEAs, and Hungarian TBSZs. This year, we added Swedish ISKs, Japan's NISAs, and Canadian FHSAs.
Speaker #2: We now have several billion dollars of client assets in these accounts, and are able to support individual investors at all stages of their investment journey.
Operator: We now have several billion dollars of client assets in these accounts and are able to support individual investors at all stages of their investment journey. From a funding perspective, clients can now fund their accounts using Stablecoin, making cross-border account funding easier and available 24/7. We doubled the amount of cash eligible for our FDIC Suite program, from $2.5 million to $5 million for individual accounts and from $5 million to $10 million for joint accounts. In October, we teamed with Carta to introduce our premium charge card globally. The Carta Visa Infinite Card allows eligible clients to link their accounts and access their cash instantly anywhere in the world with no foreign transaction fees, an especially compelling benefit for our global client base, and it comes with premium cardholder benefits.
We now have several billion dollars of client assets in these accounts and are able to support individual investors at all stages of their investment journey. From a funding perspective, clients can now fund their accounts using Stablecoin, making cross-border account funding easier and available 24/7. We doubled the amount of cash eligible for our FDIC Suite program, from $2.5 million to $5 million for individual accounts and from $5 million to $10 million for joint accounts.
Speaker #2: From a funding perspective, clients can now fund their accounts using stablecoin, making cross-border account funding easier and available 24/7. We doubled the amount of cash eligible for our FDIC Suite program.
Speaker #2: From $2.5 million to $5 million for individual accounts, and from $5 million to $10 million for joint accounts. In October, we teamed with Carta to introduce our premium charge card globally.
In October, we teamed with Carta to introduce our premium charge card globally. The Carta Visa Infinite Card allows eligible clients to link their accounts and access their cash instantly anywhere in the world with no foreign transaction fees, an especially compelling benefit for our global client base, and it comes with premium cardholder benefits.
Speaker #2: The Carta Visa Infinite card allows eligible clients to link their accounts and access their cash instantly, anywhere in the world, with no foreign transaction fees—an especially compelling benefit for our global client base.
Speaker #2: And it comes with premium cardholder benefits. Platform-wise, our GlobalTrader 2.0 mobile platform was launched with a comprehensive UI/UX revamp and an all-new look and feel.
Operator: Platform-wise, our Global Trader 2.0 mobile platform was launched with a comprehensive UI/UX revamp and an all-new look and feel. Quick-access trading tools accessible via a swipe or long press were added, watchlist management was streamlined, and AI news summaries incorporated. Our leading-edge IBKR Desktop platform delivered several highly requested enhancements this year, including multi-monitor support with independent windows for charts, option chains, and more, multiple new screener filters, a named strategy selector for clients to quickly access popular combo strategy types, and a new Linux beta installer, extending IBKR Desktop into the Linux ecosystem and addressing another long-standing client request. We introduced connections where clients can enter a company's ticker and explore its broader investment ecosystem, including options, ETFs that hold the stock, forecast contracts, related economic indicators, competitors, and more. This feature is already seeing strong engagement.
Platform-wise, our Global Trader 2.0 mobile platform was launched with a comprehensive UI/UX revamp and an all-new look and feel. Quick-access trading tools accessible via a swipe or long press were added, watchlist management was streamlined, and AI news summaries incorporated. Our leading-edge IBKR Desktop platform delivered several highly requested enhancements this year, including multi-monitor support with independent windows for charts, option chains, and more, multiple new screener filters, a named strategy selector for clients to quickly access popular combo strategy types, and a new Linux beta installer, extending IBKR Desktop into the Linux ecosystem and addressing another long-standing client request.
Speaker #2: Quick access trading tools, accessible via a swipe or long press, were added. Watchlist management was streamlined, and AI news summaries were incorporated. Our leading-edge IBKR Desktop platform delivered several highly requested enhancements this year.
Speaker #2: Including multi-monitor support with independent windows for charts, option chains, and more; multiple new screener filters; a named strategy selector for clients to quickly access popular combo strategy types; and a new Linux beta installer.
Speaker #2: Extending IBKR Desktop into the Linux ecosystem and addressing another long-standing client request, we introduced Connections, where clients can enter a company's ticker and explore its broader investment ecosystem, including options, ETFs that hold the stock, forecast contracts, related economic indicators, competitors, and more.
We introduced connections where clients can enter a company's ticker and explore its broader investment ecosystem, including options, ETFs that hold the stock, forecast contracts, related economic indicators, competitors, and more. This feature is already seeing strong engagement. We have embedded artificial intelligence throughout our organization, benefiting both clients and employees. We launched AI-powered investment themes, which allows clients to enter a concept such as nuclear energy or quantum computing and instantly receive a list of actionable investment ideas, significantly streamlining the research process.
Speaker #2: This feature is already seeing strong engagement. We have embedded artificial intelligence throughout our organization, benefiting both clients and employees. We launched AI-powered investment themes, which allow clients to enter a concept, such as nuclear energy or quantum computing, and instantly receive a list of actionable investment ideas.
Operator: We have embedded artificial intelligence throughout our organization, benefiting both clients and employees. We launched AI-powered investment themes, which allows clients to enter a concept such as nuclear energy or quantum computing and instantly receive a list of actionable investment ideas, significantly streamlining the research process. We also launched AI-generated news summaries, receiving FINRA approval mid-year. These summaries deliver timely, relevant news directly tied to clients' portfolios, helping them stay informed more easily. Across our platforms, we launched the first version of Ask IBKR, an innovative AI-powered tool that lets our clients interact with and ask questions in plain English about their portfolios. Clients can ask about performance and allocation analysis, track their activity, and get performance attribution. They can ask to compare their performance versus various benchmarks, find their top dividend payers, calculate their capital gains and losses, and analyze sector exposure.
Speaker #2: We significantly streamlined the research process. We also launched AI-generated news summaries, receiving FINRA approval mid-year. These summaries deliver timely, relevant news directly tied to clients' portfolios.
We also launched AI-generated news summaries, receiving FINRA approval mid-year. These summaries deliver timely, relevant news directly tied to clients' portfolios, helping them stay informed more easily. Across our platforms, we launched the first version of Ask IBKR, an innovative AI-powered tool that lets our clients interact with and ask questions in plain English about their portfolios. Clients can ask about performance and allocation analysis, track their activity, and get performance attribution. They can ask to compare their performance versus various benchmarks, find their top dividend payers, calculate their capital gains and losses, and analyze sector exposure.
Speaker #2: Helping them stay informed more easily. Across our platforms, we launched the first version of Ask IBKR, an innovative AI-powered tool that lets our clients interact with and ask questions in plain English about their portfolios.
Speaker #2: Clients can ask about performance and allocation analysis, track their activity, and get performance attribution. They can ask to compare their performance versus various benchmarks, find their top dividend payers, calculate their capital gains and losses, and analyze sector exposure.
Speaker #2: Performance can be analyzed across flexible timeframes—one year, one month, period to date, etc. Staying on top of an active portfolio with rapid access to a wide breadth of data is critical for successful investors.
Operator: Performance can be analyzed across flexible time frames: one year, one month, period to date, etc. Staying on top of an active portfolio with rapid access to a wide breadth of data is critical for successful investors. Beyond these highlights, we have delivered a wide range of enhancements and new features. I encourage you to explore our platforms on our website or, better yet, request a demo. Seeing our offerings firsthand across a broad range of client types and experience levels is the best way to appreciate what we have accomplished. In other areas of our business, to further enhance execution quality, we expanded our network of liquidity providers across bonds, options, overnight trading, international stocks, and ETFs, and ADRs. To further support our non-US
Performance can be analyzed across flexible time frames: one year, one month, period to date, etc. Staying on top of an active portfolio with rapid access to a wide breadth of data is critical for successful investors. Beyond these highlights, we have delivered a wide range of enhancements and new features. I encourage you to explore our platforms on our website or, better yet, request a demo.
Speaker #2: Beyond these highlights, we have delivered a wide range of enhancements and new features. I encourage you to explore our platforms on our website—or better yet, request a demo.
Seeing our offerings firsthand across a broad range of client types and experience levels is the best way to appreciate what we have accomplished. In other areas of our business, to further enhance execution quality, we expanded our network of liquidity providers across bonds, options, overnight trading, international stocks, and ETFs, and ADRs. To further support our non-US
Speaker #2: Seeing our offerings firsthand across a broad range of client types and experience levels is the best way to appreciate what we have accomplished. In other areas of our business, to further enhance execution quality, we expanded our network of liquidity providers across bonds, options, overnight trading, international stocks, and ETFs and ADRs.
Speaker #2: And to further support our non-US client base, we translate our investor education courses and webcasts into multiple languages, making it easier for clients around the world to get started on investing on our platform.
Operator: Client base, we translate our investor education courses and webcasts into multiple languages, making it easier for clients around the world to get started on investing on our platform. Trading volume during our overnight hours continues to grow rapidly, up 76% from last quarter and more than 130% from the Q4 of last year. Providing deep, liquid markets that are not constrained by US regular trading hours is critical to meeting the needs of a globally active client base. And finally, a note on ForecastX. We created this exchange, which is regulated by the CFTC, to support trading on consequential predictions that have measurable, third-party verified outcomes. ForecastX traded 286 million pairs this quarter, up from 15 million pairs in the Q3, and now has four members quoting into the exchange, which has over 10,000 listed instruments.
Client base, we translate our investor education courses and webcasts into multiple languages, making it easier for clients around the world to get started on investing on our platform. Trading volume during our overnight hours continues to grow rapidly, up 76% from last quarter and more than 130% from the Q4 of last year.
Speaker #2: Trading volume during our overnight hours continues to grow rapidly—up 76% from last quarter, and more than 130% from the fourth quarter of last year.
Providing deep, liquid markets that are not constrained by US regular trading hours is critical to meeting the needs of a globally active client base. And finally, a note on ForecastX. We created this exchange, which is regulated by the CFTC, to support trading on consequential predictions that have measurable, third-party verified outcomes. ForecastX traded 286 million pairs this quarter, up from 15 million pairs in the Q3, and now has four members quoting into the exchange, which has over 10,000 listed instruments.
Speaker #2: Providing deep, liquid markets that are not constrained by U.S. regular trading hours is critical to meeting the needs of a globally active client base.
Speaker #2: And finally, a note on Forecast X. We created this exchange, which is regulated by the CFTC, to support trading on consequential predictions that have measurable, third-party verified outcomes.
Speaker #2: Forecast X traded 286 million pairs this quarter, up from 15 million pairs in the third quarter. And now has four members quoting into the exchange.
Speaker #2: We have over 10,000 listed instruments. Our pipeline of new business, new initiatives, and enhancements remains as strong as ever. And our platforms resonate with people around the globe.
Operator: Our pipeline of new business, new initiatives, and enhancements remains as strong as ever, and our platforms resonate with people around the globe. We are not stopping here to rest on our achievements. We have many projects to work on, which we will look forward to sharing with you once they become a reality. With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Paul Brody. Paul? Thank you, Nancy. Welcome everyone to the call. We'll start with our revenue items on page 3 of the release. We are pleased with our financial results this quarter as we produced near-record net revenues and pre-tax income for the quarter, and record results in all the major financial categories for the year. Commission revenues rose to a record $582 million this quarter.
Our pipeline of new business, new initiatives, and enhancements remains as strong as ever, and our platforms resonate with people around the globe. We are not stopping here to rest on our achievements. We have many projects to work on, which we will look forward to sharing with you once they become a reality. With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Paul Brody. Paul?
Speaker #2: We are not stopping here to rest on our achievements. We have many projects to work on, which we look forward to sharing with you once they become a reality.
Speaker #2: With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Paul Brody. Paul? Thank you, Nancy. Welcome everyone to the call. We'll start with our revenue items on page three of the release.
Paul Brody: Thank you, Nancy. Welcome everyone to the call. We'll start with our revenue items on page 3 of the release. We are pleased with our financial results this quarter as we produced near-record net revenues and pre-tax income for the quarter, and record results in all the major financial categories for the year. Commission revenues rose to a record $582 million this quarter.
Speaker #2: We are pleased with our financial results this quarter, as we produced near-record net revenues and pre-tax income for the quarter, and record results in all the major financial categories for the year.
Speaker #2: Commission revenues rose to a record $582 million this quarter. For the full year, commissions were $2.1 billion, up 27% from last year, driven by higher trading volumes across the major product categories.
Operator: For the full year, commissions were $2.1 billion, up 27% from last year, driven by higher trading volumes across the major product categories. Net interest income reached $966 million for the quarter and a yearly record of $3.6 billion, despite multiple rate cuts in nearly all major currencies. The continued risk-on environment during most of the year led to a significant increase in margin borrowing, while strong net customer deposits led to higher segregated funds balances. These revenues were partially offset by the interest we paid to our customers on their cash balances. We saw fewer hard-to-borrow names in securities lending than in the Q3, but their presence across the second half drove full-year results well over the prior year. Other fees and services generated $85 million for the quarter and $291 million for the year, both up modestly versus the prior-year periods.
For the full year, commissions were $2.1 billion, up 27% from last year, driven by higher trading volumes across the major product categories. Net interest income reached $966 million for the quarter and a yearly record of $3.6 billion, despite multiple rate cuts in nearly all major currencies. The continued risk-on environment during most of the year led to a significant increase in margin borrowing, while strong net customer deposits led to higher segregated funds balances.
Speaker #2: Net interest income reached $966 million for the quarter, and a yearly record of $3.6 billion, despite multiple rate cuts in nearly all major currencies.
Speaker #2: The continued risk-on environment during most of the year led to a significant increase in margin borrowing, while strong net customer deposits led to higher segregated funds balances.
These revenues were partially offset by the interest we paid to our customers on their cash balances. We saw fewer hard-to-borrow names in securities lending than in the Q3, but their presence across the second half drove full-year results well over the prior year. Other fees and services generated $85 million for the quarter and $291 million for the year, both up modestly versus the prior-year periods.
Speaker #2: These revenues were partially offset by the interest we paid to our customers on their cash balances. We saw fewer hard-to-borrow names in securities lending than in the third quarter.
Speaker #2: But their presence across the second half drove full-year results well over the prior year. Other fees and services generated $85 million for the quarter.
Speaker #2: And $291 million for the year, both up modestly versus the prior year periods. This is primarily driven by higher payments for order flow from options exchange mandated programs.
Operator: This is primarily driven by higher payments for order flow from options exchange-mandated programs and higher FDIC Suite fees, despite reductions in risk exposure fees. Other income includes gains and losses on our investments, our currency diversification strategy, and principal transactions. Note that many of these non-core items are excluded in our adjusted earnings. Other income was $10 million as reported and $37 million as adjusted, primarily driven by a loss in our currency diversification program. Turning to expenses, execution clearing and distribution costs were $91 million in the Q4, down 21% from the year-ago quarter, primarily due to two factors. First, we had a full quarter of an SEC fee rate at zero. In the Q4 of 2024, SEC fees were $22 million. And second, higher volumes meant we earned higher rebates at exchanges as a result of our smart order routing optimization, particularly for options.
This is primarily driven by higher payments for order flow from options exchange-mandated programs and higher FDIC Suite fees, despite reductions in risk exposure fees. Other income includes gains and losses on our investments, our currency diversification strategy, and principal transactions. Note that many of these non-core items are excluded in our adjusted earnings. Other income was $10 million as reported and $37 million as adjusted, primarily driven by a loss in our currency diversification program.
Speaker #2: And higher FDIC sweep fees despite reductions in risk exposure fees. Other income includes gains and losses on our investments, our currency diversification strategy, and principal transactions.
Speaker #2: Note that many of these non-core items are excluded in our adjusted earnings. Other income was $10 million as reported, and $37 million as adjusted, primarily driven by a loss in our currency diversification program.
Turning to expenses, execution clearing and distribution costs were $91 million in the Q4, down 21% from the year-ago quarter, primarily due to two factors. First, we had a full quarter of an SEC fee rate at zero. In the Q4 of 2024, SEC fees were $22 million. And second, higher volumes meant we earned higher rebates at exchanges as a result of our smart order routing optimization, particularly for options.
Speaker #2: Turning to expenses, execution, clearing, and distribution costs were $91 million in the quarter, down 21% from the year-ago quarter, primarily due to two factors.
Speaker #2: Zero. In the fourth quarter, first, we had a full quarter of an SEC fee rate at 2024 levels. SEC fees were $22 million. And second, higher volumes meant we earned higher rebates at exchanges as a result of our smart order routing optimization, particularly for options.
Speaker #2: These costs and rebates are largely passed through to customers, so these reductions don't have much impact on our profitability. But they are a component of our clients' profitability, and this execution quality is one of the reasons they choose to execute with us to maximize their returns.
Operator: These costs and rebates are largely passed through to customers, so these reductions don't have much impact on our profitability, but they are components of our clients' profitability, and this execution quality is one of the reasons they choose to execute with us to maximize their returns. As a percent of commission revenues, execution and clearing costs were 11% in the Q4 for a gross transactional profit margin of 89%. We calculate this by excluding from execution, clearing, and distribution $23 million of non-transaction-based costs, predominantly market data fees, which do not have a direct commission revenue component. Compensation and benefits expense was $153 million for the quarter for a ratio of compensation expense to adjusted net revenues of 9% versus 10% in the prior year quarter. As always, we remain focused on expense discipline, as reflected in our moderate staff increase of 6% over the prior year.
These costs and rebates are largely passed through to customers, so these reductions don't have much impact on our profitability, but they are components of our clients' profitability, and this execution quality is one of the reasons they choose to execute with us to maximize their returns. As a percent of commission revenues, execution and clearing costs were 11% in the Q4 for a gross transactional profit margin of 89%.
Speaker #2: As a percent of commission revenues, execution and clearing costs were 11% in the fourth quarter for a gross transactional profit margin of 89%. We calculate this by excluding from execution and clearing and distribution $23 million of non-transaction-based costs.
We calculate this by excluding from execution, clearing, and distribution $23 million of non-transaction-based costs, predominantly market data fees, which do not have a direct commission revenue component. Compensation and benefits expense was $153 million for the quarter for a ratio of compensation expense to adjusted net revenues of 9% versus 10% in the prior year quarter. As always, we remain focused on expense discipline, as reflected in our moderate staff increase of 6% over the prior year.
Speaker #2: Predominantly market data fees, which do not have a direct commission revenue component. Compensation and benefits expense was $153 million for the quarter, for a ratio of compensation expense to adjusted net revenues of 9%.
Speaker #2: Versus 10% of the prior year quarter. As always, we remain focused on expense discipline, as reflected in our moderate staff increase of 6% over the prior year.
Speaker #2: For the full year, this ratio was 10%, down from 11% in 2024. Our headcount at December 31st was 3,182. G&A expenses were $62 million, up 5% from the year-ago quarter.
Operator: For the full year, this ratio was 10%, down from 11% in 2024. Our headcount at 31 December was 3,182. G&A expenses were $62 million, up 5% from the year-ago quarter, primarily from increasing spending on advertising. For the full year, G&A was $247 million, down from last year, which included a legal settlement that added $78 million and a one-time charge of $12 million to consolidate our European operations. Excluding those items, G&A for the year was up 10%, predominantly on higher advertising expense. Our pre-tax margin matched the Q3 record 79% and achieved a new record 77% for the year, both as reported and as adjusted. Income taxes of $99 million reflect the sum of the public company's $39 million and the operating company's $60 million.
For the full year, this ratio was 10%, down from 11% in 2024. Our headcount at 31 December was 3,182. G&A expenses were $62 million, up 5% from the year-ago quarter, primarily from increasing spending on advertising. For the full year, G&A was $247 million, down from last year, which included a legal settlement that added $78 million and a one-time charge of $12 million to consolidate our European operations.
Speaker #2: Primarily from increasing spending on advertising. For the full year, G&A was $247 million, down from last year, which included a legal settlement that added $78 million and a one-time charge of $12 million to consolidate our European operations.
Excluding those items, G&A for the year was up 10%, predominantly on higher advertising expense. Our pre-tax margin matched the Q3 record 79% and achieved a new record 77% for the year, both as reported and as adjusted. Income taxes of $99 million reflect the sum of the public company's $39 million and the operating company's $60 million.
Speaker #2: Excluding those items, G&A for the year was up 10%, predominantly on higher advertising expense. Our pre-tax margin matched the third-quarter record of 79% and achieved a new record of 77% for the year.
Speaker #2: Both as reported and as adjusted. Income taxes of $99 million reflect the sum of the public company's $39 million and the operating company's $60 million.
Speaker #2: The public company's effective tax rate was 12% below its typical range, primarily due to tax benefits we were able to capture in 2025. Moving to our balance sheet on page five of the release.
Operator: The public company's effective tax rate was 12% below its typical range, primarily due to tax benefits we were able to capture in 2025. Moving to our balance sheet on page five of the release, our total assets ended the year 35% higher than the prior year at $203 billion, with growth driven by higher margin lending and segregated cash balances. New account growth also helped drive our record customer credit balances. We continue to have no long-term debt, and profit growth drove our firm equity up 23% for the year to exceed $20 billion for the first time. We maintain a balance sheet geared towards supporting growth in our existing business and helping us win new business by demonstrating our strength to prospective clients and partners while also considering overall capital allocation.
The public company's effective tax rate was 12% below its typical range, primarily due to tax benefits we were able to capture in 2025. Moving to our balance sheet on page five of the release, our total assets ended the year 35% higher than the prior year at $203 billion, with growth driven by higher margin lending and segregated cash balances. New account growth also helped drive our record customer credit balances.
Speaker #2: Our total assets at the end of the year were 35% higher than the prior year at $203 billion, with growth driven by higher margin lending and segregated cash balances.
We continue to have no long-term debt, and profit growth drove our firm equity up 23% for the year to exceed $20 billion for the first time. We maintain a balance sheet geared towards supporting growth in our existing business and helping us win new business by demonstrating our strength to prospective clients and partners while also considering overall capital allocation.
Operator: In our operating data on pages six and seven, we had record customer activity in options with our contract volumes up 27% over the prior year quarter and up 26% for the full year, in line with industry volumes. Futures contract volumes rose 22% for the quarter to a near record and were up 12% for the full year, well above industry volumes. Stock share volumes rose 16% for the quarter and 38% for the full year. Stock share volume generally increased versus last year as clients gravitated to larger, higher-quality names and traded relatively less in Pink Sheet and some other very low-priced stocks. Growth in the notional dollar value of shares traded in the quarter was significantly higher than the growth in share volumes combined with the rise in major equity indices worldwide.
In our operating data on pages six and seven, we had record customer activity in options with our contract volumes up 27% over the prior year quarter and up 26% for the full year, in line with industry volumes. Futures contract volumes rose 22% for the quarter to a near record and were up 12% for the full year, well above industry volumes. Stock share volumes rose 16% for the quarter and 38% for the full year.
Stock share volume generally increased versus last year as clients gravitated to larger, higher-quality names and traded relatively less in Pink Sheet and some other very low-priced stocks. Growth in the notional dollar value of shares traded in the quarter was significantly higher than the growth in share volumes combined with the rise in major equity indices worldwide.
Operator: On page seven, you can see that total customer DARTs were 4 million trades per day in the quarter, up 30% from the prior year. Commissions for cleared commissionable orders of $2.64 were down from last year, primarily due to a mix of smaller average order sizes in stocks, futures, and slightly higher in options, and the previously mentioned SEC fee rate moving to zero, which lowered commissions as well as execution and clearing expense. Page eight shows our net interest margin numbers. Total GAAP net interest income was up 20% from the year-ago quarter to $966 million, just 1 million shy of Q3's record, despite benchmark rate cuts in multiple countries. Adjusted for NIM presentation, net interest income was just over $1 billion for the first time.
On page seven, you can see that total customer DARTs were 4 million trades per day in the quarter, up 30% from the prior year. Commissions for cleared commissionable orders of $2.64 were down from last year, primarily due to a mix of smaller average order sizes in stocks, futures, and slightly higher in options, and the previously mentioned SEC fee rate moving to zero, which lowered commissions as well as execution and clearing expense.
Page eight shows our net interest margin numbers. Total GAAP net interest income was up 20% from the year-ago quarter to $966 million, just 1 million shy of Q3's record, despite benchmark rate cuts in multiple countries. Adjusted for NIM presentation, net interest income was just over $1 billion for the first time.
Operator: We include for NIM purposes certain income that is more appropriately considered interest, but that for GAAP purposes is classified as other fees and services or as other income. Our net interest income reflects strength in margin loan interest and securities lending, partially offset by modest increase in interest expense on customer cash balances despite lower benchmark interest rates. Many central banks, including the UK, Canada, Hong Kong, and the US, reduced rates this quarter, while others, including Australia, Europe, and Switzerland, held steady. Year on year, the average US Fed funds rate fell 75 basis points or by 16%. Despite this decline, our margin loan interest was up 17%, and our segregated cash interest was down only 3%, both bolstered by higher balances. The average duration of our investment portfolio remained at less than 30 days. During this quarter, the US.
We include for NIM purposes certain income that is more appropriately considered interest, but that for GAAP purposes is classified as other fees and services or as other income. Our net interest income reflects strength in margin loan interest and securities lending, partially offset by modest increase in interest expense on customer cash balances despite lower benchmark interest rates.
Many central banks, including the UK, Canada, Hong Kong, and the US, reduced rates this quarter, while others, including Australia, Europe, and Switzerland, held steady. Year on year, the average US Fed funds rate fell 75 basis points or by 16%. Despite this decline, our margin loan interest was up 17%, and our segregated cash interest was down only 3%, both bolstered by higher balances. The average duration of our investment portfolio remained at less than 30 days. During this quarter, the US.
By a modest increase in interest expense on customer cash balances, despite lower benchmark interest rates.
Switzerland held steady.
Year on year, the average US Fed funds rate fell 75 basis points, or by 16%. Despite this decline, our margin loan interest was up 17%, and our segregated cash interest was down only 3%, both bolstered by higher balances.
The average duration of our investment portfolio remained at less than 30 days.
Operator: Dollar yield curve remained flat to inverted from the short to medium term, so we continued to maximize what we earned by focusing on short-term yields rather than accepting the lower yields and higher duration risk of longer maturities. This strategy also allows us to maintain a relatively tight maturity match between our assets and liabilities. Securities lending net interest was higher than last year, though we did not see as much activity in hard-to-borrow names as in the Q3.
Dollar yield curve remained flat to inverted from the short to medium term, so we continued to maximize what we earned by focusing on short-term yields rather than accepting the lower yields and higher duration risk of longer maturities. This strategy also allows us to maintain a relatively tight maturity match between our assets and liabilities. Securities lending net interest was higher than last year, though we did not see as much activity in hard-to-borrow names as in the Q3.
During this quarter, the US dollar yield curve remained flat to inverted from the short to medium term, so we can continue to maximize what we earn by focusing on short-term yields rather than accepting the lower yields and higher duration risk of longer maturities.
The strategy also allows us to maintain a relatively tight maturity match between our assets and liabilities.
Operator: Contributors to annual growth included several factors: our growing account base, which increases our inventory of attractive stocks to lend, including international securities; the interest we pay on short cash balances, which makes us attractive to investors who utilize short selling; our fully paid lending program shares proceeds with clients generally on a 50/50 basis, which appeals to investors looking to maximize the return on their portfolios; and finally, activity has picked up in some of the typical drivers of securities lending, including IPOs, and merger and acquisition activity. As most benchmark interest rates are now sufficiently above zero, a portion of what we earn from securities lending is classified as interest on segregated cash.
Contributors to annual growth included several factors: our growing account base, which increases our inventory of attractive stocks to lend, including international securities; the interest we pay on short cash balances, which makes us attractive to investors who utilize short selling; our fully paid lending program shares proceeds with clients generally on a 50/50 basis, which appeals to investors looking to maximize the return on their portfolios; and finally, activity has picked up in some of the typical drivers of securities lending, including IPOs, and merger and acquisition activity.
Securities lending net interest was higher than last year, but we did not see as much activity in hard-to-borrow names as in the third quarter.
Contributors to annual growth included several factors, our growing account base, which increases our inventory of attractive stocks to lend, including international securities.
The interest we pay on short cash balances makes us attractive to investors who utilize short selling.
Our Fully Paid Lending Program shares proceeds with clients, generally on a 50/50 basis.
Which appeals to investors looking to maximize the return on their portfolios.
As most benchmark interest rates are now sufficiently above zero, a portion of what we earn from securities lending is classified as interest on segregated cash. We estimate that if the additional interest earned and paid on cash collateral were included under securities borrowed and loaned, then total net revenue related to securities lending would have been $290 million this quarter, up 58% over the prior year quarter.
And finally, activity has picked up in some of the typical drivers of securities lending, including IPOs and merger and acquisition activity.
As most benchmark interest rates are now sufficiently above zero.
Operator: We estimate that if the additional interest earned and paid on cash collateral were included under securities borrowed and loaned, then total net revenue related to securities lending would have been $290 million this quarter, up 58% over the prior year quarter. Fully rate-sensitive customer balances ended the current quarter at $24.7 billion versus $19.1 billion in the year-ago quarter. Now, for the estimates of the impact of changes in rates, we estimate the effect of a 25 basis points decrease in the benchmark Fed Funds Rate to be a $77 million reduction in annual net interest income. Note that our starting point for this estimate is 31 December, with the Fed Funds effective rate at 3.64% and balances as of that date. Any growth in our balance sheet and interest-earning assets would reduce this impact. About 29% of our customer interest-sensitive balances is not in US.
A portion of what we earn from security lending is classified as interest on segregated cash.
We estimate that, if the additional interest earned and paid on cash collateral were included on securities borrowed and loaned,
Fully rate-sensitive customer balances ended the current quarter at $24.7 billion versus $19.1 billion in the year-ago quarter. Now, for the estimates of the impact of changes in rates, we estimate the effect of a 25 basis points decrease in the benchmark Fed Funds Rate to be a $77 million reduction in annual net interest income. Note that our starting point for this estimate is 31 December, with the Fed Funds effective rate at 3.64% and balances as of that date.
And total net revenue related to securities lending would have been $290 million this quarter, up 58% over the prior year quarter.
Fully rate-sensitive customer balances into the current quarter at $24.7 billion versus $19.1 billion in the year-ago quarter.
Now, for the estimates of the impact of changes in rates,
We estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in the benchmark Fed funds rate to be a $77 million reduction in annual net interest income.
Note that our starting point for this estimate is December 31st, with the FED funds effective rate at 3.64%.
Any growth in our balance sheet and interest-earning assets would reduce this impact. About 29% of our customer interest-sensitive balances is not in US dollars, so estimates of a US rate change exclude those currencies. We estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in all the relevant non-USD benchmark rates would reduce annual net interest income by $31 million.
And balances as of that date.
Any growth in our balance sheet and interest-earning assets would reduce the impact,
Operator: dollars, so estimates of a US rate change exclude those currencies. We estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in all the relevant non-USD benchmark rates would reduce annual net interest income by $31 million. In conclusion, we posted another financially strong quarter in net revenues and pre-tax margin, leading to a record year. This reflects our continued ability to grow our customer base and deliver on our core value proposition to customers while simultaneously scaling the business. Our business strategy continues to be effective, automating as much of the brokerage business as possible, continuously improving and expanding what we offer while minimizing what we charge. With that, we'll turn it over to the moderator and open up for questions. We'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again.
About 29% of our customer interest-sensitive balance is not in US dollars. So estimates of a US rate change exclude those currencies.
We estimate the effect of a 25 basis point decrease in all the relevant, non-USD benchmark rates.
In conclusion, we posted another financially strong quarter in net revenues and pre-tax margin, leading to a record year. This reflects our continued ability to grow our customer base and deliver on our core value proposition to customers while simultaneously scaling the business. Our business strategy continues to be effective, automating as much of the brokerage business as possible, continuously improving and expanding what we offer while minimizing what we charge. With that, we'll turn it over to the moderator and open up for questions.
Would reduce annual NETs as interest income by $31 million.
In conclusion, we posted another financial year, strong quarter, net revenues, and pre-tax margin, leading to a record year.
This reflects our continued ability to grow our customer base and deliver on our core value proposition to customers, while simultaneously scaling the business.
Operator: We'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Brennan Hawken of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, Brennan.
Our business strategy continues to be effective—automating as much of the brokerage business as possible, continuously improving and expanding what we offer, while minimizing what we charge. And with that, we will turn it over to the moderator and open up for questions.
Operator: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Brennan Hawken of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, Brennan. Hi, thanks for taking my question. I was curious about the pool on the customer credit balances. It seemed as though the decline in the amount paid to yield didn't come down quite as much as we were looking for. There's some color around some of those dynamics and what might have caused the lower rates not to flow through, and whether or not there might just be some more on the come here in the next quarter or two. Yeah, sure. So obviously, the net interest income and the major segments there being segregated cash, margin loans, and the customer credit balances, they all operate a little bit differently.
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Brennan Hawken: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I was curious about the pool on the customer credit balances. It seemed as though the decline in the amount paid to yield didn't come down quite as much as we were looking for. There's some color around some of those dynamics and what might have caused the lower rates not to flow through, and whether or not there might just be some more on the come here in the next quarter or two.
Our first question comes from the line of Brennan Hawin of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, Brennan.
Paul Brody: Yeah, sure. So obviously, the net interest income and the major segments there being segregated cash, margin loans, and the customer credit balances, they all operate a little bit differently. So for seg cash, when the rates come down, even though we have a relatively short duration, there is a little bit of tail out there, and we retain somewhat higher rates while we pay lower rates on our credit balances during that period because they are based on the overnight rates. The rest is balance changes. So our very strong performance in the margin lending balances overcame, vastly overcame the drop in the general benchmark rates.
Uh, hi. Thanks for taking my question. Um, I was curious about, um, the poll on the, the customer credit balances. Uh, it seemed as though the, uh, decline in the amount paid—the yield—it didn't come down quite as much as we were looking for. Is there some color around some of those dynamics, uh, and what might have caused, uh, the lower rates not to flow through? And whether or not there might just be some more on the come here in the, uh, in the next quarter or two?
Operator: So for seg cash, when the rates come down, even though we have a relatively short duration, there is a little bit of tail out there, and we retain somewhat higher rates while we pay lower rates on our credit balances during that period because they are based on the overnight rates. The rest is balance changes. So our very strong performance in the margin lending balances overcame, vastly overcame the drop in the general benchmark rates. Okay, got it. So we got basically a repricing lag on some of the asset side. That makes sense. And for my follow-up, I believe the comment period for your bank charter application ended today. Could you maybe update us on that process, what you've heard back from the regulators, and what kind of impact we should expect if the bank charter is approved and you go forward with the bank?
Yeah, sure. So obviously it's, you know, the net interest income and the major segments there being uh, segregated cash and margin loans, and the customer credit balance. Is it all operate a little bit differently. Um so for set cache, when the rates come down, uh even though we're have a relatively short duration, there is a little bit of tail out there and we retain somewhat higher rates while we pay lower rates uh on our credit balances during that period, uh, because they are based on the overnight rates.
um,
Brennan Hawken: Okay, got it. So we got basically a repricing lag on some of the asset side. That makes sense. And for my follow-up, I believe the comment period for your bank charter application ended today. Could you maybe update us on that process, what you've heard back from the regulators, and what kind of impact we should expect if the bank charter is approved and you go forward with the bank?
the rest is balanced, uh, changes. So our you know, very strong performance in the margin lending. Balance is uh overcame uh vastly overcame the the the drop in the uh General Benchmark rates.
Okay, got it. So, we got a, basically, a repricing lag on some of the assets side, that makes sense. Um, and uh, for my follow-up, uh, I believe the comment period for your bank Charter application. Um, ended today, did you maybe update us on that process? What you've heard back from The Regulators? Um, and what kind of impact we should expect? Uh, if the bank Charters approved and you go forward with with a bank?
Operator: So we have been in contact with the OCC for a while. The way this process works is you are in contact with them, you talk to them, you present the business plan, they point out what they do not like or what they would like to receive more information on. Once you get through this stage, they give you the go-ahead to officially file the application, which we did, and they acknowledge that. Then there is a several months-long time period that they have to actually approve your request. There are others applying for the National Trust Bank Charter. I do not know exactly where we are in the queue, but my expectation would be to be operational by the end of this year.
Milan Galik: So we have been in contact with the OCC for a while. The way this process works is you are in contact with them, you talk to them, you present the business plan, they point out what they do not like or what they would like to receive more information on. Once you get through this stage, they give you the go-ahead to officially file the application, which we did, and they acknowledge that. Then there is a several months-long time period that they have to actually approve your request.
So we have been in contact with the OCC for a while. The way this process works is...
You are in contact with them; when you talk to them, you present the business plan. They point out what they do not like or what they would like to receive more information on. Once you get through this stage, they give you the go ahead to officially file the application, which we did, and they acknowledge that. Then there is a several months-long period that they have to actually approve.
There are others applying for the National Trust Bank Charter. I do not know exactly where we are in the queue, but my expectation would be to be operational by the end of this year. Now, exactly what that means for us is, as a broker-dealer, the regulations do not permit us to custody assets of mutual funds and exchange-traded funds. A trust charter bank will allow us to do that. So that is the rationale behind our application.
Your request. There are others applying for the national trust. Charter Bank—I do not know exactly where we are in the queue, but my expectation would be to be operational.
Operator: Now, exactly what that means for us is, as a broker-dealer, the regulations do not permit us to custody assets of mutual funds and exchange-traded funds. A trust charter bank will allow us to do that. So that is the rationale behind our application. Okay. Thank you for taking my questions. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Moley of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead, Patrick. Yes, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. I had one on prediction markets. There's been a lot of speculation recently about whether regulators or the US courts will allow prediction market platforms to continue offering sports contracts. So I was just hoping to get an update from you on how you maybe see this all playing out between the platforms and the sports books.
By the end of this year.
Now, exactly what that means for us is,
As a broker-dealer, the regulations do not permit us to custody assets of mutual funds and exchange-traded funds.
A trust Charter Bank.
Will allow us to do that.
Brennan Hawken: Okay. Thank you for taking my questions.
So that is the rationale behind our application.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Patrick Moley of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead, Patrick.
Okay, thank you for taking my questions.
Thank you.
Our next question.
Comes from a line of Patrick Moley, at Piper Sandler. Please go ahead, Patrick.
Patrick Moley: Yes, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. I had one on prediction markets. There's been a lot of speculation recently about whether regulators or the US courts will allow prediction market platforms to continue offering sports contracts. So I was just hoping to get an update from you on how you maybe see this all playing out between the platforms and the sports books.
Operator: Then with ForecastX launching NFL contracts in the fourth quarter, just wondering what you would need to see from regulators or the courts that would make you comfortable offering contracts like that to IBKR customers, or if this is an aspect of prediction markets that you just think will never make sense to commingle with your existing customer base. Thanks. I don't know if you're aware that Massachusetts just came out with a ruling against Kalshi. The judge ruled against Kalshi, and that probably means that Kalshi will no longer take customers from Massachusetts. This is certainly not the final word, so your guess is as good as ours as to what will happen here. Luckily, Interactive Brokers does not rely on sports.
Then with ForecastX launching NFL contracts in the fourth quarter, just wondering what you would need to see from regulators or the courts that would make you comfortable offering contracts like that to IBKR customers, or if this is an aspect of prediction markets that you just think will never make sense to commingle with your existing customer base. Thanks.
Yes, good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. I had one on prediction markets. There's been a lot of speculation recently about whether regulators or the US courts will allow prediction market platforms to continue offering sports contracts. So I was just hoping to get an update from you on how you maybe see this all playing out between the platforms and the sportsbooks, and then with Forecast X launching NFL contracts in the fourth quarter.
Thomas Peterffy: I don't know if you're aware that Massachusetts just came out with a ruling against Kalshi. The judge ruled against Kalshi, and that probably means that Kalshi will no longer take customers from Massachusetts. This is certainly not the final word, so your guess is as good as ours as to what will happen here. Luckily, Interactive Brokers does not rely on sports. We do believe that these contracts will have enormous applicability to many, many things about the future, and they'll be very, very successful, and it doesn't really have to depend on sports.
Just wondering, you know, if there—what you would need to see from regulators or the courts that would make you comfortable offering contracts like that to IBKR customers. Or if this is an aspect of prediction markets that you just think is, you know, will never make sense to co-mingle with your existing customer base. Thanks,
So, uh, I don't know if you're aware that Master 2 says just came out with a ruling against Koshy. Uh, so, the judge ruled against Scholarship and, uh, that probably means that, uh, because she will no longer take—
Customers from Massachusetts.
uh,
Operator: We do believe that these contracts will have enormous applicability to many, many things about the future, and they'll be very, very successful, and it doesn't really have to depend on sports. Okay, great. And then just as a follow-up, you're sitting on a healthy pile of excess cash. Any updated thoughts on the appetite for M&A and capital return priorities? And then on M&A specifically, I know in the past you've said that with traditional brokerage models, it's been difficult to make the deal math work with your pricing model. But in an emerging asset class like prediction markets, I'm just wondering if M&A could make sense here for you. Thanks. Anything is possible, but we're not going to buy a firm that is doing sports betting. And there is nothing else out there at the moment, right? It's not only that. We have our own platform, ForecastX.
But you know, this is certainly not the final word. So we, you know, you'll get it as good as ours as to what will happen here and uh so luckily you know we interactive brokers does not rely on Sports. We, we do believe that these uh contracts will have enormous uh
Applicability to so, so many, many things.
Patrick Moley: Okay, great. And then just as a follow-up, you're sitting on a healthy pile of excess cash. Any updated thoughts on the appetite for M&A and capital return priorities? And then on M&A specifically, I know in the past you've said that with traditional brokerage models, it's been difficult to make the deal math work with your pricing model. But in an emerging asset class like prediction markets, I'm just wondering if M&A could make sense here for you. Thanks.
About the future, and they'll be very, very successful, and it doesn't really have to depend on sports.
Okay, great. And just as a follow-up, you're sitting on a healthy pile of excess cash.
Thomas Peterffy: Anything is possible, but we're not going to buy a firm that is doing sports betting. And there is nothing else out there at the moment, right?
I know in the past, you've said that with traditional brokerage models, it's been difficult to make the deal math work with your pricing model. Um, but in an emerging asset class like prediction markets, I'm just wondering if M&A could make sense here for you. Thanks.
Anything is possible, but we're not going to buy a firm that is doing sports betting.
Milan Galik: It's not only that. We have our own platform, ForecastX. It's growing nicely. Mid-December of last year, we have rolled out ForecastX on a 24/7 trading schedule. We added liquidity providers. ForecastX now lists over 10,000 different instruments, and the trading volumes have increased significantly. So no reason for us to look for an acquisition in this space.
And there is nothing else out there at the moment, right?
Operator: It's growing nicely. Mid-December of last year, we have rolled out ForecastX on a 24/7 trading schedule. We added liquidity providers. ForecastX now lists over 10,000 different instruments, and the trading volumes have increased significantly. So no reason for us to look for an acquisition in this space. All right. Thanks so much for the answer. That's it for me. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Yaro of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, James. Thanks for taking the question. So you touched a little bit on the OCC National Trust Bank charter. I was hoping you might be able to touch a little bit on the aspirations for a European banking license, and if so, where you are in the process of looking to get one of those. We have not started the process.
And it's not only that we have our own platform for aspects—it's growing nicely. Mid-December of last year, we rolled out forecast specs on a 24/7 trading schedule. We added liquidity providers' forecast packs, now with over 10,000 different instruments, and the trading volumes have increased significantly.
Patrick Moley: All right. Thanks so much for the answer. That's it for me.
So, no reason for us to look for an acquisition in this case.
All right, thanks so much for the answer.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Yaro of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, James.
That's it for me.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from the line.
James Yaro: Thanks for taking the question. So you touched a little bit on the OCC National Trust Bank charter. I was hoping you might be able to touch a little bit on the aspirations for a European banking license, and if so, where you are in the process of looking to get one of those.
Of James Yara of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead, James.
Paul Brody: We have not started the process. Having a bank license in Europe would come with some benefits. It is not urgent for us to have one. We will eventually have a license in Europe. The most likely place for us to acquire it would be in Ireland, where our broker operations are already regulated by a banking regulator with whom we have very good relationships.
Uh, thanks for taking the question. Um, so you touched a little bit on the OCC, uh, National Trust Bank Charter? I was hoping you might be able to touch a little bit on the aspirations for a European banking license. Um, and if so, where you are in the process of, uh, looking to get one of those.
Operator: Having a bank license in Europe would come with some benefits. It is not urgent for us to have one. We will eventually have a license in Europe. The most likely place for us to acquire it would be in Ireland, where our broker operations are already regulated by a banking regulator with whom we have very good relationships. Okay. Excellent. I just wanted to ask a follow-up on prediction markets. I was hoping, Thomas, you might be able to just update us on the institutional adoption of prediction markets so far, how you plan to cater to this client set specifically versus on the retail side, and over what period, in your view, institutional prediction markets fully develop? So our most frequently traded contracts are temperature contracts. We are currently working on tying up these temperature contracts with the electricity contracts and the natural gas contracts.
We have not started the process. Um, having
A bank license in Europe would come with some benefits.
Uh, it is not urgent for us to have one.
James Yaro: Okay. Excellent. I just wanted to ask a follow-up on prediction markets. I was hoping, Thomas, you might be able to just update us on the institutional adoption of prediction markets so far, how you plan to cater to this client set specifically versus on the retail side, and over what period, in your view, institutional prediction markets fully develop?
We will eventually have a license in Europe. The most likely place for us to acquire it would be in Ireland, where our broker operations are ordered and regulated by a banking regulator with whom we have a very good relationship.
Okay, excellent. I just want to ask a follow-up on prediction markets. I was hoping, Thomas, you might be able to just update us on the institutional adoption of prediction markets so far, and how you plan to cater to this client set specifically versus on the retail side. And over what period, in your view, will institutional prediction markets be fully developed?
Thomas Peterffy: So our most frequently traded contracts are temperature contracts. We are currently working on tying up these temperature contracts with the electricity contracts and the natural gas contracts. And as you know, it is basically the utilities that have to every day make a judgment about the next day's use of electricity. So we are working on approaching those, and I think that sometime in the course of the year, you will see them onboarding.
So, uh, our most frequently traded contracts are temperature contracts. We are currently working on
Tying up these temperature contracts with the electricity contracts and the natural gas.
Operator: And as you know, it is basically the utilities that have to every day make a judgment about the next day's use of electricity. So we are working on approaching those, and I think that sometime in the course of the year, you will see them onboarding. Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler of Bank of America. Your line is open, Craig. Good evening, everyone. Hope you're all doing well. My first one is on your expanding crypto offering. How should we think about the appetite for adoption across your base? And I'm especially interested in the individual investors in the direct and the IBKR channel. Do they want crypto trading, and do they want it from IBKR? Crypto revenues are at the moment small relative to the overall company's revenues.
James Yaro: Okay. Thank you so much.
Uh contracts. And as you know it is the it is basically the utilities that uh, have to uh every day make a judgment about the the next day's use of electricity. So we are uh, working on approaching those and I think that sometime in the course of the year, you will see them on boarding.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Siegenthaler of Bank of America. Your line is open, Craig.
Okay, thank you so much.
Thank you.
Our next question.
Craig Siegenthaler: Good evening, everyone. Hope you're all doing well. My first one is on your expanding crypto offering. How should we think about the appetite for adoption across your base? And I'm especially interested in the individual investors in the direct and the IBKR channel. Do they want crypto trading, and do they want it from IBKR?
Comes from the line of Craig S. at Bank of America. Your line is open, Craig.
Milan Galik: Crypto revenues are at the moment small relative to the overall company's revenues. Most clients who actively trade cryptocurrencies were already doing so before we entered the space. So we are not yet a major brand in the cryptocurrency space. You asked about the IBKR's. The answer is no. They have not been asking for access to crypto. I'm not sure why that is. Our pricing, as we explained over a number of earnings calls, is superior to our competitors in the United States and outside.
Good evening, everyone. Hope you're all doing well. My first question is on your expanding crypto offering. How should we think about the appetite for adoption across your base? I'm especially interested in the individual investors in the direct and the IB broker channel. Do they want crypto trading, and do they want it from IBKR?
Operator: Most clients who actively trade cryptocurrencies were already doing so before we entered the space. So we are not yet a major brand in the cryptocurrency space. You asked about the IBKR's. The answer is no. They have not been asking for access to crypto. I'm not sure why that is. Our pricing, as we explained over a number of earnings calls, is superior to our competitors in the United States and outside. We added crypto to our offering to round it up, particularly targeting investment advisors and multi-asset clients who wanted limited exposure to the assets. Our offering is competitive, and we continue to add capabilities, new geographies. Namely, Europe is currently the focus. I would expect us to go live with our offering in this quarter.
Three told the revenues are, at the moment, small relative to the overall company's revenues.
Most clients who actively trade cryptocurrencies were already doing so before we entered the space.
So, we are not yet a major brand.
In cryptocurrency space.
Um, you asked about the IB brokers, the answer is no, they have not been asking for access to crypto.
Um, not sure why that is, um,
Our pricing, as we explained over a number of earnings calls, is superior to our competitors.
In the United States and outside.
We added crypto to our offering to round it up, particularly targeting investment advisors and multi-asset clients who wanted limited exposure to the assets. Our offering is competitive, and we continue to add capabilities, new geographies. Namely, Europe is currently the focus. I would expect us to go live with our offering in this quarter.
We added crypto to our offering to round it up.
To, for particularly targeting investment advisors and multi-asset clients who wanted limited exposure to the asset.
Uh, our offering is competitive, and we continue to add capabilities.
Operator: Then I am hopeful that asset transfers, once we support asset transfers, some crypto assets will migrate to our platform and take advantage of our superior pricing. Thanks, Juan. Just for my follow-up, it's one I've asked, I think, two quarters in a row now, but account growth is still very strong, north of 30%. Thomas, any specifics on how long you can keep this up? Because your comments at that may complicate things for my mind. As long as I shall live. No, that's my answer. No, I don't see any reason why our account growth would slow down if we continue at the rate that we've been going. You see, the benefit that we have is our platform is attractive to many people around the world. Okay, I'll stop here. Thanks for taking my questions. Thank you.
Then I am hopeful that asset transfers, once we support asset transfers, some crypto assets will migrate to our platform and take advantage of our superior pricing.
New geographies—namely Europe—are currently the focus. I would expect us to go live with our offering in this quarter.
Craig Siegenthaler: Thanks, Juan. Just for my follow-up, it's one I've asked, I think, two quarters in a row now, but account growth is still very strong, north of 30%. Thomas, any specifics on how long you can keep this up? Because your comments at that may complicate things for my mind.
And then I am hopeful that, as we support asset transfers, some crypto assets will migrate to our platform and take advantage of our superior pricing.
Thomas Peterffy: As long as I shall live. No, that's my answer. No, I don't see any reason why our account growth would slow down if we continue at the rate that we've been going. You see, the benefit that we have is our platform is attractive to many people around the world.
Thanks, man. And just for my, uh, follow-up—um, it's one I've asked I think two quarters in a row now, but account growth is still very strong, north of 30%. Uh, Thomas, any specifics on how long you can keep this up? Because your comments at that May conference, 'As long as I shall live,'—
No, that's my answer. No. I... I... I don't see any, any reason why our account growth would slow down if we continue at this rate that we've been going.
You see, the benefit that we have is—
Our platform.
Is attractive to.
Craig Siegenthaler: Okay, I'll stop here. Thanks for taking my questions.
Many people around the world.
Okay, stop it.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Dan Fannon of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Dan.
Thank you for taking my questions.
Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Dan Fannon of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Dan. Thanks. So just another question on growth, but more just in terms of investment and spend. As you think about all of the initiatives you have entering this year, do you think the level of spend is growing? Is it consistent with the last couple of years, or how should we think about overall expense growth? The overall expense growth, I think, has been consistent over the past many quarters, over the last few years. We have been cautiously adding to our headcount as we needed. This past year, it was around 6% growth. Our compensation went up by 10% or so. I would expect for us to see similar growth in the future.
Okay, thank you. I'm next question.
Daniel Fannon: Thanks. So just another question on growth, but more just in terms of investment and spend. As you think about all of the initiatives you have entering this year, do you think the level of spend is growing? Is it consistent with the last couple of years, or how should we think about overall expense growth?
Comes from the line of Dan Fanning of Jefferies. Please go ahead, Dan.
Milan Galik: The overall expense growth, I think, has been consistent over the past many quarters, over the last few years. We have been cautiously adding to our headcount as we needed. This past year, it was around 6% growth. Our compensation went up by 10% or so. I would expect for us to see similar growth in the future. Of course, we have a number of AI initiatives in process, and those initiatives may affect the rate at which our expenses will grow in the future.
Uh, thanks. So just another question on growth, but more just in terms of investment and spend. As you think about all the initiatives you have entering this year, do you think the level of spend is growing? Is it consistent with the last couple of years, or how should we think about, um, you know, overall expense growth?
The overall expense growth, I think, has been consistent over the past many quarters over the last few years.
We have been cautiously adding to our headcount. As we needed this past year, it was around 6% growth. Our compensation went up by
by 10% or so.
Operator: Of course, we have a number of AI initiatives in process, and those initiatives may affect the rate at which our expenses will grow in the future. Understood. And then just another one on account growth in terms of the account growth today and where it's been coming from here in the latter part of 2025 versus maybe where you think there's growth going to change or other areas that could grow faster in next year. Just trying to get a sense of what's different in terms of where you're seeing more success or more markets are more mature versus less. We have been universally doing well. We have been attracting large accounts, small accounts, very active accounts, less active accounts, retail, professional, institutional. They all come to us for the same reason. The technology works. Pricing is fair. Access is global. No need to rely on promotions or incentives.
Uh, I would expect for us to see similar growth in the future.
Of course, we have a number of AI initiatives.
Um, in process, and those initiatives may—
Affect.
Daniel Fannon: Understood. And then just another one on account growth in terms of the account growth today and where it's been coming from here in the latter part of 2025 versus maybe where you think there's growth going to change or other areas that could grow faster in next year. Just trying to get a sense of what's different in terms of where you're seeing more success or more markets are more mature versus less.
The rate at which our expenses will grow in the future.
Milan Galik: We have been universally doing well. We have been attracting large accounts, small accounts, very active accounts, less active accounts, retail, professional, institutional. They all come to us for the same reason. The technology works. Pricing is fair. Access is global. No need to rely on promotions or incentives.
Understood. And then just another one on account growth, in terms of, um, you know, the account growth today and where it's been coming from here in, you know, the latter part of '25 versus maybe where you think the growth is going to change, or other areas that could grow faster next year. Just trying to get a sense of what's different, um, in terms of where you're seeing more success, or more markets are more mature versus less.
We have been universally doing well. We have been attracting large accounts, small accounts, very active accounts, and less active accounts—retail, professional, and institutional.
They all come to us for the same reason.
The technology works, pricing is there, and access is global.
No need to rely on promotions or incentives.
Operator: Understood. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Once again, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Again, that's star 11 to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Budish of Barclays. Please go ahead, Benjamin. Hi. Good evening, and thank you for taking the question. Maybe tying a couple of these previous questions together, I think, Thomas, in the press, you made some comments about the US midterm elections later this year potentially juicing account growth. Can you maybe talk about the, and I think you've mentioned the prepared remarks, the advertising spend is up a little bit, even though I think a lot of your growth comes from word of mouth. Can you maybe talk about your plans to get or drive more engagement on prediction markets, either through the Interactive Brokers platform, onboarding more FCMs?
Daniel Fannon: Understood. Okay. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Once again, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Again, that's star 11 to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Benjamin Budish of Barclays. Please go ahead, Benjamin.
Understood. Okay, thank you.
Thank you. Once again, to ask a question, please press star 1 1 on your telephone again. That's star 1 1 to ask a question. Our next question.
Benjamin Budish: Hi. Good evening, and thank you for taking the question. Maybe tying a couple of these previous questions together, I think, Thomas, in the press, you made some comments about the US midterm elections later this year potentially juicing account growth. Can you maybe talk about the, and I think you've mentioned the prepared remarks, the advertising spend is up a little bit, even though I think a lot of your growth comes from word of mouth. Can you maybe talk about your plans to get or drive more engagement on prediction markets, either through the Interactive Brokers platform, onboarding more FCMs?
Comes from the line of Benjamin Bruttish of Barclays. Please go ahead, Benjamin.
Operator: How are you thinking about that opportunity coming up later this year to kind of boost account growth even more? Advertising is certainly a key. We are getting better and better at advertising, and we are also increasing our advertising spending to some extent. So that's what it is. Okay. Understood. We will not let our account growth go lower. Love the confidence. Maybe just one more question on prediction markets. You talked earlier about institutional interest. I'm just curious, when we look at some of the institutional products offered at CME and ICE, we tend to see very, very large notional amounts and larger fees per contract, but less relative to the size, to the notional amount of exposure.
How are you thinking about that opportunity coming up later this year to kind of boost account growth even more?
Thomas Peterffy: Advertising is certainly a key. We are getting better and better at advertising, and we are also increasing our advertising spending to some extent. So that's what it is.
About that opportunity coming up later this year, to kind of boost account growth even more.
That, I think, is certainly a key. We are getting better and better at advertising, and we are also increasing our advertising spending to some extent.
So that's what it is.
Benjamin Budish: Okay. Understood.
Thomas Peterffy: We will not let our account growth go lower.
Benjamin Budish: Love the confidence. Maybe just one more question on prediction markets. You talked earlier about institutional interest. I'm just curious, when we look at some of the institutional products offered at CME and ICE, we tend to see very, very large notional amounts and larger fees per contract, but less relative to the size, to the notional amount of exposure.
Operator: Just curious, onboarding insurance companies, electric utilities, these sorts of institutions, does that require any change to product design, or do you think it's more a matter of education, making sure the liquidity is there, and then you'll be able to onboard those kinds of customers? Thank you. It's not a product design question. It is a matter of selling it. Okay. Thank you very much. Fair enough. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Nancy Stuebe for closing remarks. Madam? Thank you, everyone, for participating today. As a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website, and we will also be posting a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thank you again, and we will talk to you next quarter end. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Just curious, onboarding insurance companies, electric utilities, these sorts of institutions, does that require any change to product design, or do you think it's more a matter of education, making sure the liquidity is there, and then you'll be able to onboard those kinds of customers? Thank you.
Thomas Peterffy: It's not a product design question. It is a matter of selling it.
Okay, understood, we will not let our account growth. Go lower, love the confidence. Um, maybe just 1 more question on prediction. Marcus, you talked earlier about institutional interest, I'm just curious when we look at some of the institutional products offered at, you know, CME and Ice. We tend to see very, very large notional amounts and larger, you know, fees per contract, but less relative to the size, you know, to the, the notional amount of exposure, just curious, you know, onboarding insurance companies, electric utilities these sorts of Institutions. Does that require any change to product design, or do you think it's, it's more, a matter of Education, making sure the liquidity is there and then it, it'll, you know, be you'll be able to onboard those kinds of customers. Thank you.
Benjamin Budish: Okay. Thank you very much. Fair enough.
Yeah, it's not a product design question. It is—it is a matter of selling it.
Operator: Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back to Nancy Stuebe for closing remarks. Madam?
Okay. Uh, thank you very much. Fair enough.
Thank you.
Nancy Stuebe: Thank you, everyone, for participating today. As a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website, and we will also be posting a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thank you again, and we will talk to you next quarter end.
I would now like to turn the conference back to Nancy Stuebe for closing remarks, Madam.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Thank you, everyone, for participating. Today, as a reminder, this call will be available for replay on our website, and we will also be posting a clean version of our transcript on the site tomorrow. Thank you again, and we will talk to you at next quarter’s end.
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