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Q4 2025 Amerant Bancorp Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings, and welcome to the Amerant Bancorp Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation.
Greetings, and welcome to the Amerant Bancorp Q4 and full-year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed into the question queue at any time by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star 0. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Laura Rossi, Executive Vice President and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Laura.
Speaker #1: You may be placed into question and queued at any time by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star 0.
Speaker #1: As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to your host, Laura Rossi, Executive Vice President and Head of Advice Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead,
Speaker #1: Please go ahead, Laura. Thank you, Kevin.
Laura Rossi: Thank you, Kevin. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to review Amerant Bancorp's Q4 and full-year 2025 results. On today's call are Carlos Iafigliola, our Senior Executive Vice President and Interim CEO, and Sharymar Calderón, our Senior Executive Vice President and CFO. As we begin, please note that discussions on today's call contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Exchange Act.
Speaker #2: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us to review Amerant Bancorp's fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. On today's call are Carlos Gafiliola, our Senior Executive Vice President and Interim CEO, and Xerimar Calderón, our Senior Executive Vice President and CFO.
Speaker #2: As we begin, please note that discussions on today's call contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Exchange Act. In addition, references will also be made to non-GAAP financial measures.
Operator: As we begin, please note that discussions on today's call contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities Exchange Act. In addition, references will also be made to the non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the company's earnings release for a statement regarding forward-looking statements, as well as for information on reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP measures. I will now turn it over to our Interim CEO, Carlos Iafigliola. Thank you, Laura, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Amerant's Q4 and full-year 2025 results. As we begin today's call, I would like to turn to slide 3 and frame our discussion around the clarity of our direction and the disciplined execution underway across the organization. Our strategic direction remains clear. In December, the board approved our three-year strategic plan.
In addition, references will also be made to the non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the company's earnings release for a statement regarding forward-looking statements, as well as for information on reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP measures. I will now turn it over to our Interim CEO, Carlos Iafigliola.
Speaker #2: Please refer to the company's earnings release for a statement regarding forward-looking statements, as well as for information on the reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP measures.
Speaker #2: I will now turn it over to our Interim CEO, Carlos.
Speaker #2: I will now turn it over to our Interim CEO, Carlos Gafiliola. Thank you, Laura, and
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you, Laura, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss Amerant's Q4 and full-year 2025 results. As we begin today's call, I would like to turn to slide 3 and frame our discussion around the clarity of our direction and the disciplined execution underway across the organization. Our strategic direction remains clear. In December, the board approved our three-year strategic plan.
Speaker #3: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss Amerant's fourth quarter and full year 2025 results. As we begin today's call, I would like to turn to slide 3 and frame our discussion around the clarity of our direction and the disciplined execution underway across the organization.
Speaker #3: Our strategic direction remains clear. In December, the board approved our three-year strategic plan. Our plan is built on a disciplined and sequenced roadmap in order to stabilize optimized and a disciplined and sequenced roadmap, and grow the organization.
Operator: Our plan is built on a disciplined and sequenced roadmap in order to stabilize, optimize, and grow the organization. This strategy reflects our confidence in Amerant's future and our ability to significantly enhance shareholder value in the coming years. We believe human capital is a key enabler of our strategic plan. We intentionally focus on our strategy on leveraging Amerant's intrinsic values, which encourages teamwork, support, talent development, and retention, and promotes effective challenge at all levels of the organization. We're investing in the development of our teams, promoting via talent recognition and ensuring that our workforce remains stable, supported, aligned, and empowered to contribute to our long-term success. As part of the stabilization phase, our immediate priorities are focused on strengthening the foundation through the following high-impact areas: credit transformation. We concentrated on restoring predictability to our loan portfolios' credit performance.
Our plan is built on a disciplined and sequenced roadmap in order to stabilize, optimize, and grow the organization. This strategy reflects our confidence in Amerant's future and our ability to significantly enhance shareholder value in the coming years. We believe human capital is a key enabler of our strategic plan. We intentionally focus on our strategy on leveraging Amerant's intrinsic values, which encourages teamwork, support, talent development, and retention, and promotes effective challenge at all levels of the organization.
Speaker #3: This strategy reflects our confidence in Amerant's future and our ability to significantly enhance shareholder value in the coming years. We believe human capital is a key enabler of our strategic plan.
Speaker #3: We intentionally focus our strategy on leveraging Amerant's intrinsic values, which encourage teamwork, support, talent development and retention, and promote effective challenge at all levels of the organization.
We're investing in the development of our teams, promoting via talent recognition and ensuring that our workforce remains stable, supported, aligned, and empowered to contribute to our long-term success. As part of the stabilization phase, our immediate priorities are focused on strengthening the foundation through the following high-impact areas: credit transformation. We concentrated on restoring predictability to our loan portfolios' credit performance.
Speaker #3: We're investing in the development of our teams, promoting via talent recognition, and ensuring that our workforce remains stable, supported, aligned, and empowered to contribute to our long-term success.
Speaker #3: As part of the stabilization phase, our immediate priorities are focused on strengthening the foundation through the following high-impact areas: credit transformation, where we concentrated on restoring predictability to our loan portfolios; credit performance, where we have taken a decisive approach to review our loan portfolio and work diligently on the resolution of our credit issues to improve asset quality. We're focused on aligning our credit portfolio with our strategic objectives, such as targeting exits from non-core markets and large exposures, as well as avoiding migration into criticized buckets.
Operator: We have taken a decisive approach to review our loan portfolio and worked diligently on the resolution of our credit issues to improve asset quality. We're focused on aligning our credit portfolio with our strategic objectives, such as targeting exits from non-core markets and large exposures, as well as avoiding migration into criticized buckets. At the same time, we made significant progress to improve our risk selection practices by making disciplined decisions aligned with our risk appetite. Our second point is balance sheet optimization or growing wiser. We identified components that expanded Amerant's assets above the $10 billion watermark and reduced non-core funding by quarter end to right-size our balance sheet and improve key metrics. Our third initiative is operational efficiency, assessing processes and leveraging our technology tools to improve productivity, reduce cost, and enhance client experience.
We have taken a decisive approach to review our loan portfolio and worked diligently on the resolution of our credit issues to improve asset quality. We're focused on aligning our credit portfolio with our strategic objectives, such as targeting exits from non-core markets and large exposures, as well as avoiding migration into criticized buckets. At the same time, we made significant progress to improve our risk selection practices by making disciplined decisions aligned with our risk appetite. Our second point is balance sheet optimization or growing wiser.
Speaker #3: At the same time, we made significant progress to improve our risk selection practices by making disciplined decisions aligned with our risk capital. Our second point is balance sheet optimization, or growing wiser.
We identified components that expanded Amerant's assets above the $10 billion watermark and reduced non-core funding by quarter end to right-size our balance sheet and improve key metrics. Our third initiative is operational efficiency, assessing processes and leveraging our technology tools to improve productivity, reduce cost, and enhance client experience.
Speaker #3: We identified components that expanded Amerant's assets above the $10 billion watermark, and reduced non-core funding by quarter-end to right-size our balance sheet and improve key metrics.
Speaker #3: Our third initiative is operational efficiency: assessing processes and leveraging our technology tools to improve productivity, reduce costs, and enhance client experience. We have initiated several actions resulting from our cost review process, and we'll continue to provide updates in the following quarters.
Operator: We have initiated several actions resulting from our cost review process and will continue to provide updates in the following quarters. Notably, we have launched an AI project aimed at discovering use cases that will assist in optimizing our processes. We remain confident in the results of our ongoing efforts to strategically reposition Amerant. Accordingly, we have approved a share repurchase program recognizing the intrinsic value of our shares. Our continued momentum will allow us to advance with clear direction and stability, positioning the organization for sustained growth and long-term value creation. To our investors, clients, and team members, thank you for the continued partnership and confidence in our future. We believe we have the right people, the right plan, and the right focus. We are aligned, we are committed, and we are executing with discipline.
We have initiated several actions resulting from our cost review process and will continue to provide updates in the following quarters. Notably, we have launched an AI project aimed at discovering use cases that will assist in optimizing our processes. We remain confident in the results of our ongoing efforts to strategically reposition Amerant. Accordingly, we have approved a share repurchase program recognizing the intrinsic value of our shares.
Speaker #3: Notably, we have launched an AI project aimed at discovering use cases that will assist in optimizing our processes. We remain confident in the results of our ongoing efforts to strategically reposition Amerant.
Speaker #3: Accordingly, we have approved a shared repurchase program, recognizing the intrinsic value of our shares. Our continued momentum will allow us to advance with clear direction and stability, positioning the organization for sustained growth and long-term value creation.
Our continued momentum will allow us to advance with clear direction and stability, positioning the organization for sustained growth and long-term value creation. To our investors, clients, and team members, thank you for the continued partnership and confidence in our future. We believe we have the right people, the right plan, and the right focus. We are aligned, we are committed, and we are executing with discipline.
Speaker #3: To our investors, clients, and team members, thank you for the continued partnership and confidence in our future. We believe we have the right people, the right plan, and the right focus.
Speaker #3: We are aligned, we are committed, and we are executing with discipline. I'm confident in where we are headed and proud of what we are building together.
Operator: I'm confident in where we are headed and proud of what we are building together. Before I turn it to Shary, I want to briefly address recent events in Venezuela, considering our historical customer base and upcoming opportunities there. Our view on these events that may impact Amerant is positive. We have almost $2 billion in deposits, significant AUM, and close to 50,000 customers in this country. We see meaningful opportunities for growth in a market we know exceptionally well across both individual wealth and deposit flows, as well as commercial banking relationships. We expect commercial activity to pick up again after the administration recently announced plans to restore U.S. oil extraction licenses and return them to American companies, which suggests that a key sector of Venezuela's economy could reopen soon.
I'm confident in where we are headed and proud of what we are building together. Before I turn it to Shary, I want to briefly address recent events in Venezuela, considering our historical customer base and upcoming opportunities there. Our view on these events that may impact Amerant is positive. We have almost $2 billion in deposits, significant AUM, and close to 50,000 customers in this country. We see meaningful opportunities for growth in a market we know exceptionally well across both individual wealth and deposit flows, as well as commercial banking relationships.
Speaker #3: Before I turn it to Xeri, I want to briefly address recent events in Venezuela. Considering our historical customer base and upcoming opportunities, I view these events and their potential impact on Amerant as positive.
Speaker #3: We almost have $2 billion in deposits, significant AUM, and close to 50,000 customers in this country. We see meaningful opportunities for growth in a market we know exceptionally well.
Speaker #3: Across both individual wealth and deposit flows, as well as commercial banking relationships, we expect commercial activity to pick up again after the administration recently announced plans to restore U.S. oil extraction licenses and return them to American companies.
We expect commercial activity to pick up again after the administration recently announced plans to restore U.S. oil extraction licenses and return them to American companies, which suggests that a key sector of Venezuela's economy could reopen soon. We believe Amerant is well positioned to support international oil industry participants through account onboarding, payment processing, and transactional services tied to activity between operators and subcontractors. We have also seen an incremental value and trading flow of Venezuelan bonds through our broker-dealers since early January.
Speaker #3: We suggest that a key sector of Venezuela's economy could reopen soon. We believe Amerant is well positioned to support international oil industry participants through a cannonboarding payment processing and transactional services, tied to activity between operators and subcontractors.
Operator: We believe Amerant is well positioned to support international oil industry participants through account onboarding, payment processing, and transactional services tied to activity between operators and subcontractors. We have also seen an incremental value and trading flow of Venezuelan bonds through our broker-dealers since early January. We're closely monitoring the situation in the country, connecting with current and potential customers, and assessing opportunities. We will continue to provide updates as appropriate. With that, I will turn it to Shary to review our financial results for the quarter. Thank you, Carlos, and good morning, everyone. Let's turn to slide 4, where you will see the highlights of our balance sheet. Total assets were $9.8 billion as of the end of the Q4, a decrease from $10.4 billion as of the end of the Q3.
Speaker #3: We have also seen an incremental value and trading flow of Venezuelan bonds through our broker-dealers since early January. We're closely monitoring the situation in the country, connecting with current and potential customers, and assessing opportunities.
We're closely monitoring the situation in the country, connecting with current and potential customers, and assessing opportunities. We will continue to provide updates as appropriate. With that, I will turn it to Shary to review our financial results for the quarter.
Speaker #3: We will continue to provide updates as appropriate. With that, I will turn it to Xeri to review our financial results for the quarter.
Sharymar Calderón: Thank you, Carlos, and good morning, everyone. Let's turn to slide 4, where you will see the highlights of our balance sheet. Total assets were $9.8 billion as of the end of the Q4, a decrease from $10.4 billion as of the end of the Q3. The decrease was primarily driven by the reduction of wholesale funding through the use of our excess liquidity and sale of investments, as well as reduction of higher-cost deposits. Cash and cash equivalents decreased $160.7 million to $470.2 million, compared to $630.9 million in the Q3.
Speaker #4: Thank you, Carlos, and good morning, everyone. Let's turn to slide 4, where you will see the highlights of our balance sheet. Total assets were $9.8 billion as of the end of the fourth quarter, a decrease from $10.4 billion as of the end of the third quarter.
Speaker #4: The decrease was primarily driven by the reduction of wholesale funding through the use of our excess liquidity and sale of investments, as well as the reduction of higher-cost deposits.
Operator: The decrease was primarily driven by the reduction of wholesale funding through the use of our excess liquidity and sale of investments, as well as reduction of higher-cost deposits. Cash and cash equivalents decreased $160.7 million to $470.2 million, compared to $630.9 million in the Q3. Total investments were $2.1 billion, down from $2.3 billion in the Q3. Total gross loans decreased by $244.6 million to $6.7 billion from $6.9 billion in the Q3 as a result of higher prepayments and repayments compared to the loan production in the quarter, as we focused on credit quality improvement efforts. On the deposit side, total deposits decreased by $514 million to $7.8 billion, compared to $8.3 billion in the Q3, also as a result of our efforts to reduce higher-cost deposits and broker deposits. Broker deposits continued to decrease from $550.2 million in the Q3 to $435.7 million as of the Q4.
Speaker #4: Cash and cash equivalents decreased $160.7 million to $470.2 million, compared to $630.9 million in the third quarter. Total investments were $2.1 billion, down from $2.3 billion in the third quarter.
Total investments were $2.1 billion, down from $2.3 billion in the Q3. Total gross loans decreased by $244.6 million to $6.7 billion from $6.9 billion in the Q3 as a result of higher prepayments and repayments compared to the loan production in the quarter, as we focused on credit quality improvement efforts. On the deposit side, total deposits decreased by $514 million to $7.8 billion, compared to $8.3 billion in the Q3, also as a result of our efforts to reduce higher-cost deposits and broker deposits.
Speaker #4: Total gross loans decreased by $244.6 million to $6.7 billion, from $6.9 billion in the third quarter, as a result of higher prepayments and repayments compared to loan production in the quarter, as we focused on credit quality improvement efforts.
Speaker #4: On the deposit side, total deposits decreased by $514 million to $7.8 billion, compared to $8.3 billion in the third quarter, also as a result of our efforts to reduce higher-cost deposits and broker deposits.
Broker deposits continued to decrease from $550.2 million in the Q3 to $435.7 million as of the Q4. As just mentioned, we decreased FHLB advances by repaying $119.7 million in long-term advances, as we continued to execute on prudent asset liability management and used excess liquidity at hand to optimize our balance sheet. Our assets under management increased $87.2 million to $3.3 billion, primarily driven by higher market valuations and net new assets. As we've shared in past calls, we continue to see this as an area of opportunity for us to grow fee income going forward.
Speaker #4: Broker deposits continue to decrease, from $550.2 million in the third quarter to $435.7 million as of the fourth quarter. As just mentioned, we decreased official B advances by repaying $119.7 million in long-term advances, as we continue to execute on prudent asset-liability management and use excess liquidity at hand to optimize our balance sheet.
Operator: As just mentioned, we decreased FHLB advances by repaying $119.7 million in long-term advances, as we continued to execute on prudent asset liability management and used excess liquidity at hand to optimize our balance sheet. Our assets under management increased $87.2 million to $3.3 billion, primarily driven by higher market valuations and net new assets. As we've shared in past calls, we continue to see this as an area of opportunity for us to grow fee income going forward. Let's turn to slide 5. Looking at the income statement, you will see that diluted income per share for the Q4 was $0.07 compared to $0.35 in the Q3.
Speaker #4: Our assets under management increased $87.2 million to $3.3 billion, primarily driven by higher market valuations and net new assets. As we've shared in past calls, we continue to see this as an area of opportunity for us to grow fee income going forward.
Let's turn to slide 5. Looking at the income statement, you will see that diluted income per share for the Q4 was $0.07 compared to $0.35 in the Q3. Net interest income was $90.2 million, down $4 million from $94.2 million in Q3 2025, primarily driven by a smaller balance sheet size, the timing of repricing of assets versus liabilities after the interest rate cuts, and lower impact versus prior quarter due to collection efforts over previously classified loans. The net interest margin decreased to 3.78% from 3.92% in Q3 2025.
Speaker #4: Let's turn to slide 5. Looking at the income statement, you will see that diluted income per share for the fourth quarter was $0.07, compared to $0.35 in the third quarter.
Speaker #4: Net interest income was $90.2 million, down $4 million from $94.2 million in Q3 '25, primarily driven by a smaller balance sheet size. The timing of repricing of assets versus liabilities after the interest rate cuts, and lower impact versus the prior quarter due to collection efforts over previously classified loans.
Operator: Net interest income was $90.2 million, down $4 million from $94.2 million in Q3 2025, primarily driven by a smaller balance sheet size, the timing of repricing of assets versus liabilities after the interest rate cuts, and lower impact versus prior quarter due to collection efforts over previously classified loans. The net interest margin decreased to 3.78% from 3.92% in Q3 2025. Provision for credit losses was $3.5 million, down $11.1 million from $14.6 million in Q3 2025. Non-interest income was $22 million, up from $17.3 million in Q3 2025, driven by the gain on sale and leaseback of two of our banking centers, higher gains from available for sale securities sold, and lower derivative losses. Core non-interest income, excluding non-core items, was $16.7 million.
Speaker #4: The net interest margin decreased to 3.78% from 3.92% in the third quarter. Provision for credit losses was $3.5 million, down $11.1 million from $14.6 million in the third quarter.
Provision for credit losses was $3.5 million, down $11.1 million from $14.6 million in Q3 2025. Non-interest income was $22 million, up from $17.3 million in Q3 2025, driven by the gain on sale and leaseback of two of our banking centers, higher gains from available for sale securities sold, and lower derivative losses. Core non-interest income, excluding non-core items, was $16.7 million.
Speaker #4: Non-interest income was $22 million, up from $17.3 million in the third quarter, driven by the gain on sale and leaseback of two of our banking centers, higher gains from available-for-sale securities sold, and lower derivative losses.
Speaker #4: Excluding non-core items, core non-interest income was $16.7 million. Non-interest expense was $106.8 million, up $28.9 million from the third quarter, primarily due to valuation expenses on loans held for sale, contract termination costs, staff separation costs, and impairment charges on an investment carried at cost and intangible assets related to the mortgage company's wind down.
Operator: Non-interest expense was $106.8 million, up $28.9 million from Q3, primarily due to valuation expenses on loans held for sale, contract termination costs, staff separation costs, impairment charges on an investment carried at cost, and intangible assets related to the mortgage company's wind down. Excluding non-core items, core non-interest expense was $77.6 million. You can also see that ROA and ROE this quarter were 0.10% and 1.12% compared to 0.57% and 6.21%, respectively, and our efficiency ratio was 95.19% compared to 69.84%. These ratios were primarily impacted by the decrease in net income and the increase in expenses this quarter. Turning now to slide 6, you can see our non-GAAP metrics. Pre-provision net revenue was $5.4 million compared to $33.6 million in Q3 2025. Excluding non-core items and non-interest income and expense, core PP&R was $29.3 million compared to $35.8 million in Q3 2025.
Non-interest expense was $106.8 million, up $28.9 million from Q3, primarily due to valuation expenses on loans held for sale, contract termination costs, staff separation costs, impairment charges on an investment carried at cost, and intangible assets related to the mortgage company's wind down. Excluding non-core items, core non-interest expense was $77.6 million.
Speaker #4: Excluding non-core items, core non-interest expense was $77.6 million. You can also see that ROA and ROE this quarter were 0.10% and 1.12%, compared to 0.57% and 6.21%, respectively, and their efficiency ratio was 95.19%, compared to 69.84%.
You can also see that ROA and ROE this quarter were 0.10% and 1.12% compared to 0.57% and 6.21%, respectively, and our efficiency ratio was 95.19% compared to 69.84%. These ratios were primarily impacted by the decrease in net income and the increase in expenses this quarter. Turning now to slide 6, you can see our non-GAAP metrics. Pre-provision net revenue was $5.4 million compared to $33.6 million in Q3 2025.
Speaker #4: These ratios were primarily impacted by the decrease in net income and the increase in expenses this quarter. Turning on to slide 6, you can see our non-GAAP metrics.
Speaker #4: We provisioned net revenue was $5.4 million, compared to $33.6 million in Q3 '25. Excluding non-core items and non-interest income and expense, core PBNR was $29.3 million, compared to $35.8 million in Q3 '25.
Excluding non-core items and non-interest income and expense, core PP&R was $29.3 million compared to $35.8 million in Q3 2025. The decrease in core PP&R was primarily driven by higher non-core expenses in the Q4, which were partially offset by higher non-core income items in the same period. A reconciliation of core PP&R and the impact on key ratios is shown in Appendix 1, included in this presentation.
Speaker #4: The decrease in core PBNR was primarily driven by higher non-core expenses in the fourth quarter, which were partially offset by higher non-core income items in the same period.
Operator: The decrease in core PP&R was primarily driven by higher non-core expenses in the Q4, which were partially offset by higher non-core income items in the same period. A reconciliation of core PP&R and the impact on key ratios is shown in Appendix 1, included in this presentation. We had the following non-core items during the Q4: non-interest income of $5.3 million, which included a $3.3 million gain on the sale and leaseback of the two banking centers located in South Florida; non-core non-interest expenses of $29.2 million, which included $14.9 million in losses on loans held for sale, which include $13.8 million related to a year-end valuation allowance on loans classified for sale carried at the lower of cost or fair value; $7.5 million in contract termination costs as part of our restructuring costs aimed at improving the company's cost structure.
Speaker #4: Our reconciliation of core PBNR and the impact on Q ratios is shown in Appendix 1, included in this presentation. We had the following non-core items during the fourth quarter: non-interest income of $5.3 million, which included a $3.3 million gain on the sale and leaseback of the two banking centers located in South Florida; non-core non-interest expenses of $29.2 million, which included $14.9 million in losses on loans held for sale—including $13.8 million related to a year-end valuation allowance on loans classified for sale, carried at the lower of cost or fair value—and $7.5 million in contract termination costs as part of our restructuring costs aimed at improving the company's cost structure. These initiatives include terminating certain rights and benefits associated with existing advertising contracts and a third-party loan origination agreement under a white-label program.
We had the following non-core items during the Q4: non-interest income of $5.3 million, which included a $3.3 million gain on the sale and leaseback of the two banking centers located in South Florida; non-core non-interest expenses of $29.2 million, which included $14.9 million in losses on loans held for sale, which include $13.8 million related to a year-end valuation allowance on loans classified for sale carried at the lower of cost or fair value; $7.5 million in contract termination costs as part of our restructuring costs aimed at improving the company's cost structure.
Operator: These initiatives include terminating certain rights and benefits associated with existing advertising contracts and a third-party loan origination agreement under a white label program; $3.8 million in separation costs, primarily in connection with the leadership transition in the Q4; $2.5 million in impairment charge on an investment carried at cost; and $500,000 in an intangible asset impairment related to the downsizing of Amerant Mortgage. Adjusting for these non-core items, our core efficiency ratio was 72.58%, core ROA was 0.84%, and core ROE was 8.98%. Turning to slide 7, which shows the quarter-over-quarter comparison of some of our capital ratios. Our CET1 was 11.8% compared to 11.54% last quarter, mainly driven by lower risk-weighted assets and from net income during the quarter, while partially offset by $13 million in share repurchases and $3.7 million in shareholder dividends.
These initiatives include terminating certain rights and benefits associated with existing advertising contracts and a third-party loan origination agreement under a white label program; $3.8 million in separation costs, primarily in connection with the leadership transition in the Q4; $2.5 million in impairment charge on an investment carried at cost; and $500,000 in an intangible asset impairment related to the downsizing of Amerant Mortgage.
Speaker #4: $3.8 million in separation costs, primarily in connection with the leadership transition in the fourth quarter; $2.5 million in impairment charge on an investment carried at cost; and $500,000 in an intangible asset impairment related to the downsizing of Amarant Mortgage.
Adjusting for these non-core items, our core efficiency ratio was 72.58%, core ROA was 0.84%, and core ROE was 8.98%. Turning to slide 7, which shows the quarter-over-quarter comparison of some of our capital ratios. Our CET1 was 11.8% compared to 11.54% last quarter, mainly driven by lower risk-weighted assets and from net income during the quarter, while partially offset by $13 million in share repurchases and $3.7 million in shareholder dividends.
Speaker #4: Adjusting for these non-core items, our core efficiency ratio was 72.58%, ROA was 0.84%, and core ROE was 8.98%. Turning to slide 7, which shows the quarter-over-quarter comparison of some of our capital ratios.
Speaker #4: Our CET1 was 11.8%, compared to 11.54% last quarter, mainly driven by lower risk-weighted assets and net income during the quarter, while partially offset by $13 million in share repurchases and $3.7 million in shareholder dividends.
Speaker #4: We paid our quarterly cash dividend of $0.09 per share of common stock on November 28, 2025, and our board of directors just approved a quarterly dividend of $0.09 per share, payable on February 27 of this year.
Operator: We paid our quarterly cash dividend of $0.09 per share of common stock on 28 November 2025, and our board of directors just approved a quarterly dividend of $0.09 per share payable on 27 February of this year. During the Q4, we also repurchased 737,334 shares at a weighted average price of $17.63 per share compared to tangible book value of $22.56 as of 31 December 2025. This represented 78% of tangible book value. Turning now to slide 8, where we show our well-diversified deposit mix along with the composition of our loan portfolio. Total deposits for the quarter were $7.8 billion, down $514 million or 6.2%, compared to $8.3 billion in the previous quarter. We had decreases in every category as we reduced higher-cost deposits but had a slight increase in customer CDs.
We paid our quarterly cash dividend of $0.09 per share of common stock on 28 November 2025, and our board of directors just approved a quarterly dividend of $0.09 per share payable on 27 February of this year. During the Q4, we also repurchased 737,334 shares at a weighted average price of $17.63 per share compared to tangible book value of $22.56 as of 31 December 2025. This represented 78% of tangible book value.
Speaker #4: During the fourth quarter, we also repurchased 737,334 shares at a weighted average price of $17.63 per share, compared to tangible book value of $22.56 as of December 31, 2025.
Speaker #4: This represented 78% of tangible book value. Turning now to slide 8, where we show our well-diversified deposit mix along with a composition of our loan portfolio.
Turning now to slide 8, where we show our well-diversified deposit mix along with the composition of our loan portfolio. Total deposits for the quarter were $7.8 billion, down $514 million or 6.2%, compared to $8.3 billion in the previous quarter. We had decreases in every category as we reduced higher-cost deposits but had a slight increase in customer CDs.
Speaker #4: Total deposits for the quarter were $7.8 billion, down $514 million, or 6.2%, compared to $8.3 billion in the previous quarter. We had decreases in every category as we reduced higher-cost deposits, but had a slight increase in customer CDs.
Speaker #4: Total loans, on the other hand, were $6.7 billion, a decrease of $244.6 million, or 3.5%, compared to $6.9 billion, primarily due to decreases in CRE and owner-occupied loans.
Operator: Total loans, on the other hand, were $6.7 billion, a decrease of $244.6 million or 3.5%, compared to $6.9 billion, primarily due to decreases in CRE and owner-occupied loans. Next, on slide 9, you will see additional information related to net interest income and net interest margin. This quarter, we continued to reprice our interest-bearing deposits to maintain a healthy NIM and set the cumulative beta at 0.4 since the rate-down period started. Moving on to asset quality. As you can see on slide 11, non-performing assets increased to $187 million or 1.9% of total assets, compared to $140 million or 1.3% of total assets in the prior quarter.
Total loans, on the other hand, were $6.7 billion, a decrease of $244.6 million or 3.5%, compared to $6.9 billion, primarily due to decreases in CRE and owner-occupied loans. Next, on slide 9, you will see additional information related to net interest income and net interest margin. This quarter, we continued to reprice our interest-bearing deposits to maintain a healthy NIM and set the cumulative beta at 0.4 since the rate-down period started. Moving on to asset quality.
Speaker #4: Next, on slide 9, you will see additional information related to net interest income and net interest margin. This quarter, we continued to reprice our interest-bearing deposits to maintain a healthy NIM and saw the cumulative beta at 0.4 since the rate-down period started.
Speaker #4: Moving on to asset quality. As you can see on slide 11, non-performing assets increased to $187 million, or 1.9% of total assets, compared to $140 million, or 1.3% of total assets in the prior quarter.
As you can see on slide 11, non-performing assets increased to $187 million or 1.9% of total assets, compared to $140 million or 1.3% of total assets in the prior quarter. The increase in non-performing assets is the result of rigorous efforts by portfolio management, credit administration, and credit review, complemented by an independent third-party firm brought in to ensure timely reviews of updated financial information and risk rating, including the identification of any possible deteriorated conditions, to allow us to be more proactive in expediting resolution.
Speaker #4: The increase in non-performing assets is the result of rigorous efforts by portfolio management, credit administration, and credit review, complemented by an independent third-party firm brought in to ensure timely reviews of updated financial information and risk rating.
Operator: The increase in non-performing assets is the result of rigorous efforts by portfolio management, credit administration, and credit review, complemented by an independent third-party firm brought in to ensure timely reviews of updated financial information and risk rating, including the identification of any possible deteriorated conditions, to allow us to be more proactive in expediting resolution. As disclosed before year-end, these reviews covered approximately $5.3 billion or 85% of the commercial loan portfolio through covenant testing, annual reviews, or limited financial reviews. The remaining portfolio not covered by the reviews consists primarily of small balance loans that are evaluated through payment performance, recent originations in 2025, and loans secured with cash or investments as collateral. We will continue our scheduled review process throughout 2026, and we prioritize efforts on proactive credit quality and portfolio management measures.
Speaker #4: Including the identification of any possible deteriorated conditions, to allow us to be more proactive in expediting resolutions. As disclosed before your end, these reviews covered approximately $5.3 billion, or 85%, of the commercial loan portfolio through covenant testing, annual reviews, or limited financial reviews.
As disclosed before year-end, these reviews covered approximately $5.3 billion or 85% of the commercial loan portfolio through covenant testing, annual reviews, or limited financial reviews. The remaining portfolio not covered by the reviews consists primarily of small balance loans that are evaluated through payment performance, recent originations in 2025, and loans secured with cash or investments as collateral. We will continue our scheduled review process throughout 2026, and we prioritize efforts on proactive credit quality and portfolio management measures.
Speaker #4: The remaining portfolio not covered by the reviews consists primarily of small-balance loans that are evaluated through payment performance, recent originations in 2025, and loans secured with cash or investments as collateral.
Speaker #4: We will continue our scheduled review process throughout 2026, and we prioritize efforts on proactive credit quality and portfolio management measures. Now, moving into criticized loans—on the next three slides, we provide details for non-performing, classified, and special mention loan movements during the quarter.
Operator: Now, moving into criticized loans, on the next three slides, we provide details for non-performing, classified, and special mention loan movements during the quarter. In the first slide, we show the composition of our non-performing loans at the end of Q4. We have included details of the sufficiency of collateral coverage and the type of individual evaluation performed over them. During Q4 2025, downgrades into non-performing loans were primarily in the commercial Florida portfolio and certain other loans that have tangible collateral. You will also see the results of efforts to exit these credits via paydowns, payoffs, and loan sales, with balances declining now in January to $155 million as a result of this work. In the next slide, we have included similar information as it relates to the classified portfolio.
Now, moving into criticized loans, on the next three slides, we provide details for non-performing, classified, and special mention loan movements during the quarter. In the first slide, we show the composition of our non-performing loans at the end of Q4. We have included details of the sufficiency of collateral coverage and the type of individual evaluation performed over them. During Q4 2025, downgrades into non-performing loans were primarily in the commercial Florida portfolio and certain other loans that have tangible collateral.
Speaker #4: In the first slide, we show the composition of our non-performing loans at the end of the fourth quarter. We have included details of the sufficiency of collateral coverage and the type of individual evaluation performed over them.
Speaker #4: During Q4 2025, downgrades into non-performing loans were primarily in the commercial Florida portfolio and certain other loans that have tangible collateral. You will also see the results of efforts to exit these credits via paydowns, payoffs, and loan sales, with balances declining now in January to $155 million as a result of this work.
You will also see the results of efforts to exit these credits via paydowns, payoffs, and loan sales, with balances declining now in January to $155 million as a result of this work. In the next slide, we have included similar information as it relates to the classified portfolio. During Q4 2025, downgrades into classified loans were primarily driven by CRE loans in Florida and Texas, commercial Florida loans, and certain other loans that have tangible collateral.
Speaker #4: In the next slide, we have included similar information as it relates to the classified portfolio. During Q4 '25, downgrades into classified loans were primarily driven by CRE loans in Florida and Texas, commercial Florida loans, and certain other loans that have tangible collateral.
Operator: During Q4 2025, downgrades into classified loans were primarily driven by CRE loans in Florida and Texas, commercial Florida loans, and certain other loans that have tangible collateral. In this slide, you will also see the results of the efforts to reduce the loan balances in this bucket by now in January 2026, when four loan sales closed totaling $66 million. We continue to work on the exit of the remaining $15 million credit, which is expected to occur during Q1 2026. Classified loans net of held for sale loans closed at $274 million. In the next slide, we cover special mention loans and the characteristics as it relates to collateral coverage. During Q4 2025, downgrades to special mention were driven by one CRE Texas loan and one CRE relationship with collateral diversified in different geographies.
In this slide, you will also see the results of the efforts to reduce the loan balances in this bucket by now in January 2026, when four loan sales closed totaling $66 million. We continue to work on the exit of the remaining $15 million credit, which is expected to occur during Q1 2026. Classified loans net of held for sale loans closed at $274 million. In the next slide, we cover special mention loans and the characteristics as it relates to collateral coverage. During Q4 2025, downgrades to special mention were driven by one CRE Texas loan and one CRE relationship with collateral diversified in different geographies.
Speaker #4: In this slide, you will also see the results of the efforts to reduce the loan balances in this bucket by now, in January 2026, when four loan sales closed totaling $66 million.
Speaker #4: We continue to work on the exit of the remaining $15 million credit, which is expected to occur during the first quarter of 2026. Classified loans net of held-for-sale loans closed at $274 million.
Speaker #4: In the next slide, we cover special-mention loans and the characteristics as it relates to collateral coverage. During Q4 2025, downgrades to special mention were driven by one CRE Texas loan and one CRE relationship with collateral diversified in different geographies.
Speaker #4: Overall, this composition reflects the disciplined approach to credit monitoring, valuation, and resolution as we continue to proactively manage risk across the portfolio. Now, moving on to slide 15, here we show the drivers of the provision recorded this quarter and the impact to the allowance for credit losses.
Operator: Overall, this composition reflects a disciplined approach to credit monitoring, valuation, and resolution as we continue to proactively manage risk across the portfolio. Now, moving on to slide 15, here we show the drivers of the provision recorded this quarter and impact to the allowance for credit losses. The provision for credit losses was $3.5 million in the Q4. It was comprised of $7.9 million in additional reserves for charge-off, $800,000 in net change in specific reserve allocations, offset by releases of $3.6 million due to credit quality and macroeconomic factors, $2.3 million due to the reduction in loan balances. In addition, we recorded $700,000 for unfunded loan commitments. During the Q4 of 2025, gross charge-offs totaled $29.5 million related to five commercial loans totaling $22.3 million, indirect consumer loans totaling $1.5 million, one CRE loan totaling $900,000, and multiple commercial loans totaling $4.8 million.
Overall, this composition reflects a disciplined approach to credit monitoring, valuation, and resolution as we continue to proactively manage risk across the portfolio. Now, moving on to slide 15, here we show the drivers of the provision recorded this quarter and impact to the allowance for credit losses. The provision for credit losses was $3.5 million in the Q4.
Speaker #4: The provision for credit losses was $3.5 million in the fourth quarter, and was comprised of $7.9 million in additional reserves for charge-offs, $800,000 in net change in specific reserve allocations, offset by releases of $3.6 million due to credit quality and macroeconomic factors, and $2.3 million due to the reduction in loan balances.
It was comprised of $7.9 million in additional reserves for charge-off, $800,000 in net change in specific reserve allocations, offset by releases of $3.6 million due to credit quality and macroeconomic factors, $2.3 million due to the reduction in loan balances. In addition, we recorded $700,000 for unfunded loan commitments. During the Q4 of 2025, gross charge-offs totaled $29.5 million related to five commercial loans totaling $22.3 million, indirect consumer loans totaling $1.5 million, one CRE loan totaling $900,000, and multiple commercial loans totaling $4.8 million.
Speaker #4: In addition, we recorded $700,000 for unfunded loan commitments. During the fourth quarter of 2025, gross charge-offs totaled $29.5 million, related to five commercial loans totaling $22.3 million, indirect consumer loans totaling $1.5 million, one CRE loan totaling $900,000, and multiple commercial loans totaling $4.8 million.
Speaker #4: These charge-offs were offset by $11.1 million due to recoveries, mainly the recovery of $8 million that we had previously disclosed in the Q3 25 10-Q. Lastly, the allowance for credit losses coverage ratio was down to 1.20% from 1.37% last quarter, primarily due to charge-offs of specific reserves.
Operator: These charge-offs were offset by $11.1 million due to recoveries, mainly the recovery of $8 million that we had previously disclosed in the Q3 2025 10-Q. Lastly, the allowance for credit losses coverage ratio was down to 1.20% from 1.37% last quarter, primarily due to charge-offs of specific reserves. Excluding specific reserves, the coverage ratio decreased slightly from 1.23% to 1.20%. In slide 16, we provide the following regarding financial expectations. In the short term for Q1 2026, we are projecting loan balances at similar levels as of Q4 2025, as exits of credits would offset loan production. However, growth for the year is estimated between 7% to 9%, with the higher end driven by funding of existing lines. Our projected deposit growth is expected to match loan growth. We continue to focus on improving the ratio of non-interest bearing to total deposits and the overall cost of funds.
These charge-offs were offset by $11.1 million due to recoveries, mainly the recovery of $8 million that we had previously disclosed in the Q3 2025 10-Q. Lastly, the allowance for credit losses coverage ratio was down to 1.20% from 1.37% last quarter, primarily due to charge-offs of specific reserves. Excluding specific reserves, the coverage ratio decreased slightly from 1.23% to 1.20%. In slide 16, we provide the following regarding financial expectations. In the short term for Q1 2026, we are projecting loan balances at similar levels as of Q4 2025, as exits of credits would offset loan production.
Speaker #4: Excluding specific reserves, the coverage ratio decreased slightly from 1.23% to 1.20%. In slide 16, we provide the following regarding financial expectations. In the short term for 1Q26, we are projecting loan balances at similar levels as of 4Q25, as exits of credits would offset loan production.
However, growth for the year is estimated between 7% to 9%, with the higher end driven by funding of existing lines. Our projected deposit growth is expected to match loan growth. We continue to focus on improving the ratio of non-interest bearing to total deposits and the overall cost of funds. Net interest margin is projected to be in the 3.65% to 3.70% range. We are projecting expenses of approximately $70 to $71 million in the first half of 2026, progressively reducing to $67 to $68 million at the end of the year.
Speaker #4: However, growth for the year is estimated between 7% to 9%, with the higher end driven by funding of existing lines. Our projected deposit growth is expected to match loan growth.
Speaker #4: We continue to focus on improving the ratio of non-interest-bearing to total deposits and the overall cost of funds. Net interest margin is projected to be in the 3.65% to 3.70% range.
Operator: Net interest margin is projected to be in the 3.65% to 3.70% range. We are projecting expenses of approximately $70 to $71 million in the first half of 2026, progressively reducing to $67 to $68 million at the end of the year. We intend to continue executing on prudent capital management, balancing between retaining capital for growth and buybacks and dividends to enhance returns. And with that, I pass it back to Carlos for additional comments and closing remarks. Thank you, Shary. As we close today's call, let me point out slide 17, where I would like to reaffirm the priorities shaping our strategic execution and the fundamental advantages that continue to differentiate Amerant. Our capital levels remain strong, our net interest margin continues to stand out, and we see meaningful potential to expand fee income as asset management and treasury management continue to grow.
Speaker #4: We are projecting expenses of approximately $70 to $71 million in the first half of 2026, progressively reducing to $67 to $68 million at the end of the year.
We intend to continue executing on prudent capital management, balancing between retaining capital for growth and buybacks and dividends to enhance returns. And with that, I pass it back to Carlos for additional comments and closing remarks.
Speaker #4: We intend to continue executing on prudent capital management, balancing between retaining capital for growth and buybacks and dividends to enhance returns. And with that, I’ll pass it back to Carlos for additional comments and closing.
Speaker #4: remarks. Thank you, Sherry.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you, Shary. As we close today's call, let me point out slide 17, where I would like to reaffirm the priorities shaping our strategic execution and the fundamental advantages that continue to differentiate Amerant. Our capital levels remain strong, our net interest margin continues to stand out, and we see meaningful potential to expand fee income as asset management and treasury management continue to grow. We are also driving greater efficiencies across the organization with disciplined expense management.
Speaker #2: As we close today's call, let me point out slide 17, where I would like to reaffirm the priorities shaping our strategic execution and the fundamental advantages that continue to differentiate Amerant.
Speaker #2: Our capital levels remain strong, our net interest margin continues to stand out, and we see meaningful potential to expand fee income as asset management and treasury management continue to grow.
Speaker #2: We are also driving greater efficiencies across the organization with disciplined expense management. Central to all this is an elevated focus on improving predictability of credit quality and enhancing asset quality to support sustainable performance.
Operator: We are also driving greater efficiencies across the organization with disciplined expense management. Central to all this is an elevated focus on improving predictability of credit quality and enhancing asset quality to support sustainable performance. During the quarter, we took focus, delivered action to reinforce risk management and strengthen our credit processes. These enhancements demonstrate our commitment to resolution, allocating resources where they matter the most, and ensuring the portfolio remains resilient. Although these measures influence results this period, they position us well and remain confident in both the durability of our franchise and the opportunities ahead.
Central to all this is an elevated focus on improving predictability of credit quality and enhancing asset quality to support sustainable performance. During the quarter, we took focus, delivered action to reinforce risk management and strengthen our credit processes. These enhancements demonstrate our commitment to resolution, allocating resources where they matter the most, and ensuring the portfolio remains resilient. Although these measures influence results this period, they position us well and remain confident in both the durability of our franchise and the opportunities ahead.
Speaker #2: During the quarter, we took focused and deliberate action to reinforce risk management and strengthen our credit processes. These enhancements demonstrate our commitment to resolution, allocating resources where they matter the most, and ensuring the portfolio remains resilient.
Speaker #2: Although these measures influence results this period, they position us well, and we remain confident in both the durability of our franchise and the opportunities ahead.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, our operating focus is firmly aligned with the priorities we have shared: advancing a high-quality loan pipeline supported by disciplined underwriting, strengthening asset quality through a disciplined, relationship-driven credit culture, and maintaining a strong monitoring process.
Operator: Looking ahead, our operating focus is firmly aligned with priorities we have shared, advancing a high-quality loan pipeline supported by disciplined underwriting, strengthening asset quality through a disciplined, relationship-driven credit culture and strong monitoring process, executing cost-efficiency initiatives designed to deliver ongoing and recurring savings, deepening core deposit relationships to increase share wallet, maintaining strong capital and shareholder returns, including our dividend and authorized share repurchases. Thank you for your continued support as we execute on these commitments. So with that, I will stop. Shary and I will take questions. And Kevin, please open the line for Q&A. Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our first question is coming from Michael Rose from Raymond James. Your line is now live. Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions.
Looking ahead, our operating focus is firmly aligned with priorities we have shared, advancing a high-quality loan pipeline supported by disciplined underwriting, strengthening asset quality through a disciplined, relationship-driven credit culture and strong monitoring process, executing cost-efficiency initiatives designed to deliver ongoing and recurring savings, deepening core deposit relationships to increase share wallet, maintaining strong capital and shareholder returns, including our dividend and authorized share repurchases.
Speaker #2: Executing cost-efficiency initiatives designed to deliver ongoing and recorded savings. Deepening core deposit relationships to increase share of wallet. Maintaining strong capital and shareholder returns, including our dividend and authorized share repurchases.
Thank you for your continued support as we execute on these commitments. So with that, I will stop. Shary and I will take questions. And Kevin, please open the line for Q&A.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your continued support as we execute on this commitment. So with that, I will stop. Shary and I will take questions, and Kevin, please open the line for Q&A.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your continued support as we execute on this commitment. So, with that, I will stop. Sherry and I will take questions, and Kevin, please open the line for Q&A.
Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Our first question is coming from Michael Rose from Raymond James. Your line is now live.
Speaker #3: Certainly. We'll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to be placed in the question queue, please press star one (*) on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #3: Our first question is coming from Michael Rose from Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Speaker #3: live. Hey, good morning,
Michael Rose: Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess the main question here is, and I really appreciate all the color that you guys just gave here on the call, but you have this three-year program. From the outside looking in, what can we use to kind of measure the progress? Again, I know there's a lot of moving pieces here, a lot of heavy lifting.
Speaker #4: Everyone, thanks for taking my questions. I guess the main question here is—and I really appreciate all the color that you guys just gave here on the call—but you have this three-year program.
Operator: I guess the main question here is, and I really appreciate all the color that you guys just gave here on the call, but you have this three-year program. From the outside looking in, what can we use to kind of measure the progress? Again, I know there's a lot of moving pieces here, a lot of heavy lifting. But again, as analysts and shareholders from the outside looking in, whether it's at the end of year one, year two, or the full three years, what kind of metrics can we look at and things can we look at to get a better handle on if your strategy is now successful after the prior efforts over the past couple of years? Thanks. Thank you, Michael, for the question. I believe one of the critical items that we're trying to address this quarter is its credit quality.
Speaker #4: From the outside looking in, what can we use to kind of measure the progress? Again, I know there's a lot of moving pieces here, a lot of heavy lifting.
But again, as analysts and shareholders from the outside looking in, whether it's at the end of year one, year two, or the full three years, what kind of metrics can we look at and things can we look at to get a better handle on if your strategy is now successful after the prior efforts over the past couple of years? Thanks.
Speaker #4: But again, as analysts and shareholders from the outside looking in, whether it's at the year-end of year one, year two, or the full three years, what kind of metrics can we look at, and what things can we look at, to get a better handle on if your strategy is now successful after the prior efforts over the past couple of years?
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you, Michael, for the question. I believe one of the critical items that we're trying to address this quarter is its credit quality. I believe the improvements of those metrics related to either migration and key credit metrics would be the most important items to define success. After regaining confidence on the migration and the risk rating, accuracy is critical for us. That's been most of the work being placed during the third quarter and the fourth quarter were precisely to accomplish that objective.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Michael, for the question. I believe one of the critical items that we're trying to address this quarter is its credit quality. And I believe the improvements of those metrics, related to either migration and key credit metrics, would be the most important items to define success.
Operator: I believe the improvements of those metrics related to either migration and key credit metrics would be the most important items to define success. After regaining confidence on the migration and the risk rating, accuracy is critical for us. That's been most of the work being placed during the third quarter and the fourth quarter were precisely to accomplish that objective. Going forward, a critical measure for success for Amerant after several quarters missing the guidance and estimates related to credit quality is precisely regaining that confidence. Whenever we discuss specific line items on the credit quality buckets, we really want to accomplish the objectives that were given. I believe in my mind, that's one of the critical objectives. Secondly is a disciplined approach towards loan origination. Those two items, in my mind, are critical at this point.
Speaker #2: After regaining confidence on the migration, and since the risk rating accuracy is critical for us, that's been most of the work being placed during the third quarter and the fourth quarter, where precisely to accomplish that objective.
Going forward, a critical measure for success for Amerant after several quarters missing the guidance and estimates related to credit quality is precisely regaining that confidence. Whenever we discuss specific line items on the credit quality buckets, we really want to accomplish the objectives that were given. I believe in my mind, that's one of the critical objectives. Secondly is a disciplined approach towards loan origination. Those two items, in my mind, are critical at this point.
Speaker #2: So, going forward, a critical measure for success for Amerant, after several quarters missing the guidance and estimates related to credit quality, is precisely regaining that confidence.
Speaker #2: So, whenever we discuss specific line items on the credit quality buckets, we really want to accomplish the objectives that were given. So, I believe in my mind that's one of the critical objectives.
Speaker #2: Secondly is discipline approach towards loan origination. Those two items, in my mind, are critical at this point, and the second one will help us with the first. As we improve discipline approach towards loan origination and you see that there is consistency in the approval process and underwriting, we'll get better predictability on the credit bucket.
Operator: And one is the second one will help us with the first as we improve a disciplined approach towards loan origination. And you see that there is consistency in the approval process, underwriting. We'll get better predictability on the credit bucket. So Shary, if you want to complement. No, yeah. Carlos, I think that's right on point. To complement what Carlos was saying, and Michael, to your point, as a strategic plan, we have long-term initiatives. But as we think about the immediate-term initiatives, I think we can summarize them into two buckets. Number one, credit. Number two, operational efficiencies. In terms of credit, we have to do four steps: continue the path to reduce the size of the criticized buckets, which is what Carlos was mentioning in terms of measuring how we're reducing those balances there.
And one is the second one will help us with the first as we improve a disciplined approach towards loan origination. And you see that there is consistency in the approval process, underwriting. We'll get better predictability on the credit bucket. So Shary, if you want to complement.
Speaker #2: So, Sherry, if you want to compliment.
Sharymar Calderón: No, yeah. Carlos, I think that's right on point. To complement what Carlos was saying, and Michael, to your point, as a strategic plan, we have long-term initiatives. But as we think about the immediate-term initiatives, I think we can summarize them into two buckets. Number one, credit. Number two, operational efficiencies. In terms of credit, we have to do four steps: continue the path to reduce the size of the criticized buckets, which is what Carlos was mentioning in terms of measuring how we're reducing those balances there.
Speaker #5: No, yeah. Carlos, I think that's right on point. To complement what Carlos was saying—and Michael, to your point—as a strategic plan, we have long-term initiatives, but as we think about the immediate-term initiatives, I think we can summarize them into two buckets.
Speaker #5: Number one, credit. Number two, operational efficiencies. In terms of credit, we have to do four steps: continue the path to reduce the size of the criticized buckets, which is what Carlos was mentioning in terms of measuring how we're reducing those balances.
Speaker #5: Second, being proactive and avoiding migration into the criticized buckets so that outflows are greater than inflows, if any. Third, continue to strengthen portfolio management and credit administration to make sure that we have a very healthy risk rating process.
Operator: Second, being proactive and avoiding migration into the criticized buckets so that outflows are greater than inflows, if any. Third, continue to strengthen portfolio management and credit administration to make sure that we have a very healthy risk-rating process. And fourth, that Carlos mentioned as well, we have to be selective with onboarding into our balance sheet. We have to stay disciplined and within our risk appetite. And then as it relates to operational efficiencies, I think it goes back to ROI and being selective on the items that really move the needle. But at the same time, we have to balance with investments that are foundational for us as we continue our growth plan. So we have ways to measure that on the credit side, for sure, looking at the criticized buckets. And then as it relates to operational efficiencies, it would be Efficiency Ratio and ROI. Okay.
Second, being proactive and avoiding migration into the criticized buckets so that outflows are greater than inflows, if any. Third, continue to strengthen portfolio management and credit administration to make sure that we have a very healthy risk-rating process. And fourth, that Carlos mentioned as well, we have to be selective with onboarding into our balance sheet. We have to stay disciplined and within our risk appetite. And then as it relates to operational efficiencies, I think it goes back to ROI and being selective on the items that really move the needle.
Speaker #5: And fourth, as Carlos mentioned as well, we have to be selective with onboarding into our balance sheet. We have to stay disciplined and within our risk appetite.
Speaker #5: And then, as it relates to operational efficiencies, I think it goes back to ROI and being selective on the items that really move the needle. But at the same time, we have to balance with investments that are foundational for us as we continue our growth plan.
But at the same time, we have to balance with investments that are foundational for us as we continue our growth plan. So we have ways to measure that on the credit side, for sure, looking at the criticized buckets. And then as it relates to operational efficiencies, it would be Efficiency Ratio and ROI.
Speaker #5: So, we have ways to measure that on the credit side, for sure, looking at the criticized buckets. And then, as it relates to operational efficiencies, it would be efficiency ratio and ROA.
Michael Rose: Okay. That's very helpful. I guess the follow-up would be, when do you—it sounds like maybe at least these next couple of quarters are going to be just kind of working towards stabilization, getting the asset quality down, starting to regrow the balance sheet. But as we get into maybe year two and year three, have you guys outlined any financial targets, whether it be ROI, efficiency ratio, just to help us from a glide path perspective?
Speaker #4: Okay, that's very helpful. I guess the follow-up would be: When do you— it sounds like maybe at least these next couple of quarters are going to be just kind of working towards stabilization, getting the asset quality down, starting to regrow the balance sheet.
Operator: That's very helpful. I guess the follow-up would be, when do you—it sounds like maybe at least these next couple of quarters are going to be just kind of working towards stabilization, getting the asset quality down, starting to regrow the balance sheet. But as we get into maybe year two and year three, have you guys outlined any financial targets, whether it be ROI, efficiency ratio, just to help us from a glide path perspective? And given that it has been several years of these turnaround efforts, I think providing some of those targets and making progress towards them is kind of what I was referring to in the first question. Is that something you'd be willing to share today?
Speaker #4: But as we get into maybe year two and year three, have you guys outlined any financial targets, whether it be ROA or efficiency ratio? Just to help us from a glide path perspective—and given that it has been several years of these turnaround efforts, I think providing some of those targets and making progress towards them is kind of what I was referring to in the first question.
And given that it has been several years of these turnaround efforts, I think providing some of those targets and making progress towards them is kind of what I was referring to in the first question. Is that something you'd be willing to share today? I know it's early days since the whole transition has started, but I think that would certainly help investors get a little bit more confident, particularly after the move that we've seen in the stock here in the past 60 to 90 days. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Is that something you'd be willing to share today? I know it's early days since the whole transition has started, but I think that would certainly help investors get a little bit more confident, particularly after the move that we've seen in the stock here in the past 60 to 90 days.
Operator: I know it's early days since the whole transition has started, but I think that would certainly help investors get a little bit more confident, particularly after the move that we've seen in the stock here in the past 60 to 90 days. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. So when it comes to key financial metrics, our strategic plan, which has, I guess, 4 key topics, and then each of one has different type of KPIs, return on assets is definitely one that we really want to accomplish by year-end, getting as close as possible to the 1%. That's something that we constantly are discussing internally and how to move the different levers to get into that specific number.
Speaker #4: days. Thanks. Yeah.
Carlos Iafigliola: Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. So when it comes to key financial metrics, our strategic plan, which has, I guess, 4 key topics, and then each of one has different type of KPIs, return on assets is definitely one that we really want to accomplish by year-end, getting as close as possible to the 1%. That's something that we constantly are discussing internally and how to move the different levers to get into that specific number.
Speaker #2: Yeah, no, definitely. So when it comes to key financial metrics, our strategic plan—which has, I guess, four key topics, and then each one has a different type of KPIs—return on asset is definitely one that we really want to accomplish by year-end. Getting as close as possible to the 1% is something that we constantly are discussing internally, and how to move the different levers to get to that specific number.
Speaker #2: And when it comes to efficiency ratio, our goal and with all the actions that you guys seen on the Q4, we're precisely geared towards the accomplishment of the 60%, or getting us as close as possible to the 60% at year-end.
Operator: When it comes to Efficiency Ratio, our goal and with all the actions that you guys seen on Q4 were precisely geared towards the accomplishment of the 60% or getting as closer as possible to the 60% at year-end. I believe this has been two topics that we have been discussing for a while. I believe there has been several earnings calls that we have been flying around the airport of these two numbers, but very difficult to land the plane. We really are looking at everything that we can in terms of what will take us there. And that is, in my mind, those will be the critical measures, at least for 2026 to accomplish. Evidently, as we navigate into the strategic plan, our three-year get us to compare Amerant to other peers that have a significant price to book.
When it comes to Efficiency Ratio, our goal and with all the actions that you guys seen on Q4 were precisely geared towards the accomplishment of the 60% or getting as closer as possible to the 60% at year-end. I believe this has been two topics that we have been discussing for a while. I believe there has been several earnings calls that we have been flying around the airport of these two numbers, but very difficult to land the plane. We really are looking at everything that we can in terms of what will take us there.
Speaker #2: I believe these have been two topics that we have been discussing for a while. I believe there have been several earnings calls where we have been flying around the airport of these two numbers, but it's been very difficult to land the plane.
Speaker #2: But we really are looking at everything that we can, in terms of what will take us there. And that is, in my mind, those will be the critical measures—at least for 2026—to accomplish.
And that is, in my mind, those will be the critical measures, at least for 2026 to accomplish. Evidently, as we navigate into the strategic plan, our three-year get us to compare Amerant to other peers that have a significant price to book. That will get us into a lower 60% in the long term and a higher of 1% for 2027 and 2028. So those are ultimately goals. I believe on a way to think on this is immediately for 2026, aspirational goals is getting to the 1 and 60.
Speaker #2: Evidently, as we're navigating to the strategic plan, our three-year get us to compare Amerant to other peers that have a significant price-to-book, and that will get us into a lower 60% in the long term and a higher of 1% for 2027 and 2028.
Operator: That will get us into a lower 60% in the long term and a higher of 1% for 2027 and 2028. So those are ultimately goals. I believe on a way to think on this is immediately for 2026, aspirational goals is getting to the 1 and 60. For 2027, it's even better than 1 and improving the 60. And reaching, I believe, aspirationally, what everyone wants is to break the 60% and get into the 55 to 58 in the long term. Those are our aspirational goals, and those are the key metrics that we'll be focusing really, really closely. All right. I appreciate all the call. I'll step back. Thanks, guys. Thank you, Michael. Thank you. Next question is coming from Russell Gunther from Stephens Inc. Hey, good morning, guys. I wanted to follow up on the expense conversation.
Speaker #2: So those are ultimately goals. I believe one way to think about this is, immediately for 2026, aspirational goals are getting to the 1 and 60.
Speaker #2: For 2027, it is even better than 1 and improving the 60. And reaching, I believe, aspirationally, what everyone wants is to break the 60% and get into the 55% to 58% in the long term.
For 2027, it's even better than 1 and improving the 60. And reaching, I believe, aspirationally, what everyone wants is to break the 60% and get into the 55 to 58 in the long term. Those are our aspirational goals, and those are the key metrics that we'll be focusing really, really closely.
Speaker #2: Those are our aspirational goals, and those are the key metrics that we'll be focusing really, really hard on.
Speaker #2: Those are our aspirational goals, and those are the key metrics that we'll be focusing really, really closely on. All right.
Michael Rose: All right. I appreciate all the call. I'll step back. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #4: I appreciate all the color. I'll step back. Thanks, guys.
Sharymar Calderón: Thank you, Michael.
Speaker #5: Thank you, Michael.
Thank you. Next question is coming from Russell Gunther from Stephens Inc.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Next question is coming from Russell Gunther from Stephens, Gerline.
Russell Gunther: Hey, good morning, guys. I wanted to follow up on the expense conversation. Appreciate the glide path that you guys provided for 2026. Can you give some color on the specific drivers that are going to get us from point A to point B? And then as we think about 2027, how should we think about sort of an annualized Q4 2026 number and a good growth rate off of that, if any? Thank you.
Speaker #7: Hey, good morning, guys. I wanted to follow up on the expense conversation. Appreciate the glide path that you guys provided for '26. Can you give some color on the specific drivers that are going to get us from point A to point B?
Operator: Appreciate the glide path that you guys provided for 2026. Can you give some color on the specific drivers that are going to get us from point A to point B? And then as we think about 2027, how should we think about sort of an annualized Q4 2026 number and a good growth rate off of that, if any? Thank you. Sure. Hi, Russell. I think, as I was mentioning a little bit earlier, it goes back to ROI and the contributions that they provide to the company. If we want to look at buckets of where we're seeing all of these opportunities or where we have been executing on these opportunities, I would say first, we're reducing higher-cost deposits that not only impact the NIM, but that could also have high earnings credit.
Speaker #7: And then, as we think about 2027, how should we think about sort of an annualized Q4 2026 number, and a good growth rate off of that, if any?
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Sharymar Calderón: Sure. Hi, Russell. I think, as I was mentioning a little bit earlier, it goes back to ROI and the contributions that they provide to the company. If we want to look at buckets of where we're seeing all of these opportunities or where we have been executing on these opportunities, I would say first, we're reducing higher-cost deposits that not only impact the NIM, but that could also have high earnings credit.
Speaker #5: Sure. Hi, Russell. I think, as I was mentioning a little bit earlier, it goes back to ROI and the contributions that they provide to the company.
Speaker #5: If we want to look at buckets of where we're seeing all of these opportunities, or where we have been executing on these opportunities, I would say first, we're reducing higher-cost deposits that not only impact the NIM, but that could also have high earnings credit.
Speaker #5: So, this is an impact to non-interest expenses, and we see definitely room for opportunities to improve that. But I also think that when we looked at the marketing and advertising spend, we definitely saw opportunities to optimize our cost structure for 2026 and going forward.
Operator: So this is an impact to non-interest expenses, and we see, definitely, room for opportunities to improve that. But I also think that when we looked at the marketing and advertising spend, we definitely saw opportunities to optimize our cost structure for 2026 and going forward. So what this will allow us is, while some of these expenses will still be noticed in the first half of 2026, we will see an improvement in the second half of the year, which is why we're identifying a progressive reduction of expenses going forward. The other thing is, from a hiring perspective, we certainly continue to hire, but what we're doing is we're being very strategic and making sure we're disciplined as to the hiring to make sure that everything is aligned to our strategic plan. And I think you had a second question related to what the normalized expense would be.
So this is an impact to non-interest expenses, and we see, definitely, room for opportunities to improve that. But I also think that when we looked at the marketing and advertising spend, we definitely saw opportunities to optimize our cost structure for 2026 and going forward. So what this will allow us is, while some of these expenses will still be noticed in the first half of 2026, we will see an improvement in the second half of the year, which is why we're identifying a progressive reduction of expenses going forward.
Speaker #5: So, what this will allow us is, while some of these expenses will still be noticed in the first half of 2026, we will see an improvement in the second half of the year, which is why we're identifying a progressive reduction of expenses going forward.
Speaker #5: The other thing is, from a hiring perspective, we certainly continue to hire, but what we're doing is we're being very strategic and making sure we're disciplined as to the hiring, to make sure that everything is aligned to our strategic plan.
The other thing is, from a hiring perspective, we certainly continue to hire, but what we're doing is we're being very strategic and making sure we're disciplined as to the hiring to make sure that everything is aligned to our strategic plan. And I think you had a second question related to what the normalized expense would be.
Speaker #5: And I think you had a second question related to what the normalized expense would be. I think we gave some guidance as to the $67 to $68 million for Q4.
Operator: I think we gave some guidance as to the $67 to 68 million for Q4. That's, I guess, what I would call a little bit of a normalized expense level. And the other way to see it is, as Carlos was mentioning, we're targeting to hit the 60% efficiency ratio and post that, improve that metric. So I guess that's doing the math backwards. That's what we're seeing from a normalized expense standpoint. Thank you, Shary. And I believe it's important to also make the point that once we reach the $67 to 68 million, that the expectation is that those expenses for 2027, 2028 on our strategic plan, they will grow, but they will preserve the rule that we're stipulating on the efficiency ratio. So our key metric being the efficiency ratio for the long-term sustainability is breaking the 60%.
I think we gave some guidance as to the $67 to 68 million for Q4. That's, I guess, what I would call a little bit of a normalized expense level. And the other way to see it is, as Carlos was mentioning, we're targeting to hit the 60% efficiency ratio and post that, improve that metric. So I guess that's doing the math backwards. That's what we're seeing from a normalized expense standpoint.
Speaker #5: That's, I guess, what I would call a little bit of a normalized expense level. And the other way to see it is, as Carlo was mentioning, we're targeting to hit the 60% efficiency ratio and, post that, improve that metric.
Speaker #5: So I guess that's doing the math backwards. That's what we're seeing from a normalized expense.
Speaker #5: standpoint. Thank you, Sherry.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you, Shary. And I believe it's important to also make the point that once we reach the $67 to 68 million, that the expectation is that those expenses for 2027, 2028 on our strategic plan, they will grow, but they will preserve the rule that we're stipulating on the efficiency ratio. So our key metric being the efficiency ratio for the long-term sustainability is breaking the 60%.
Speaker #7: And I believe it's important to also make the point that once we reach the $67–68 million, that the expectation is that those expenses for 2027, 2028 on our strategic plan, they will grow, but they will preserve the rule that we're stipulating on the efficiency ratio.
Speaker #7: So our key metric, being the efficiency ratio for long-term sustainability, is breaking the 60%. So, for 2027 and 2028, if we accomplish the 55 to 60% efficiency ratio for those years, you will expect to see around $70 million per quarter, but that would be once we cross 2026 and going into 2027 and 2028.
Operator: So for 2027 and 2028, if we accomplish the 55% to 60% efficiency ratio for those years, you will expect to see around $70 million per quarter. But that would be once we cross the 2026 and going into 2027 and 2028. So those are the type of things that we have been discussing. When it goes to expenses specifically, you see the actions that we took in end of the quarter 2025. And those contract terminations and all those actions will set the plate for a leaner cost structure, especially in the marketing space. We believe we needed to rationalize certain partnerships and reduce the activation component. I believe the brand awareness that we needed to accomplish was already done, and we see already the impact of that. So I believe there is no need to overlap certain partnerships.
So for 2027 and 2028, if we accomplish the 55% to 60% efficiency ratio for those years, you will expect to see around $70 million per quarter. But that would be once we cross the 2026 and going into 2027 and 2028. So those are the type of things that we have been discussing. When it goes to expenses specifically, you see the actions that we took in end of the quarter 2025. And those contract terminations and all those actions will set the plate for a leaner cost structure, especially in the marketing space. We believe we needed to rationalize certain partnerships and reduce the activation component.
Speaker #7: So those are the types of things that we have been discussing. When it comes to expenses specifically, you see the actions that we took in 2020, end of the quarter 2025, and those contract terminations and all those actions, we'll set the plate for a linear cost structure, especially in the marketing space.
Speaker #7: We believe we needed to rationalize certain partnerships and reduce the activation component. I believe the brand awareness that we needed to accomplish was already done, and we already see the impact of that.
I believe the brand awareness that we needed to accomplish was already done, and we see already the impact of that. So I believe there is no need to overlap certain partnerships. I believe we have to stick to core partnerships and monetize on them as opposed to creating an overlap or diminishing the impact of additional partnerships. So only doing that going forward just for 2026, that will imply savings of more than $6 million in marketing expenses. So just to giving you a sense of from where the cost reductions are coming from.
Speaker #7: So, I believe there is no need to overlap certain partnerships. I believe we have to stick to core partnerships and monetize on them, as opposed to creating an overlap or diminishing the impact of additional partnerships.
Operator: I believe we have to stick to core partnerships and monetize on them as opposed to creating an overlap or diminishing the impact of additional partnerships. So only doing that going forward just for 2026, that will imply savings of more than $6 million in marketing expenses. So just to giving you a sense of from where the cost reductions are coming from. Yeah. That's very helpful. Thank you both. Switching gears to kind of a credit quality discussion. I appreciate what you've already shared with us. As we look at NPL and classified levels intra-quarter, they are above where they were at the end of Q3. How do you see that progressing over the course of how we end Q1, how we end the year? Would you expect it to be linear?
Speaker #7: So, only doing that, going forward, just for 2026, that will imply savings of more than $6 million in marketing expenses. So, just to give you a sense of where the cost reductions are coming from.
Russell Gunther: Yeah. That's very helpful. Thank you both. Switching gears to kind of a credit quality discussion. I appreciate what you've already shared with us. As we look at NPL and classified levels intra-quarter, they are above where they were at the end of Q3. How do you see that progressing over the course of how we end Q1, how we end the year? Would you expect it to be linear? Then kind of what level of provisioning do you think will be necessary to address related losses and provide for that high-level, excuse me, high single-digit loan growth guide?
Speaker #1: helpful . Yeah , that's Thank you very both . Switching gears to kind of an quality discussion . I appreciate what you've already shared with us as we look at classified NPL and kind of an asset quality discussion .
Speaker #1: I appreciate what you've already shared with us. As we look at NPL and classified levels intra-quarter, they are where they were above at the end of the third quarter.
Speaker #1: How do you see that progressing over the course of how we end the first quarter , how we end the year ? linear expect And it to ?
Operator: Then kind of what level of provisioning do you think will be necessary to address related losses and provide for that high-level, excuse me, high single-digit loan growth guide? Sure, Russell. So as it relates to migration during Q1, this was the result of the significant coverage that we had over the portfolio as it relates to credit reviews. Whether it was done through the first line or whether it was done through credit reviews, the penetration over the portfolio as it relates to risk rating was very significant. And after that, the result of that is now we have a full understanding of the characteristics of these loans. It allows us to get to a resolution, an expedite resolution, and address the buckets both of criticized and, I think, importantly, being proactive and avoiding loans getting into those criticized buckets.
Speaker #1: Would you then kind of be provisioning, do you think, to address necessary related losses and provide for that high level? Excuse me.
Sharymar Calderón: Sure, Russell. So as it relates to migration during Q1, this was the result of the significant coverage that we had over the portfolio as it relates to credit reviews. Whether it was done through the first line or whether it was done through credit reviews, the penetration over the portfolio as it relates to risk rating was very significant. And after that, the result of that is now we have a full understanding of the characteristics of these loans.
Speaker #1: High single-digit loan growth guide.
Speaker #2: Sure , Russell . So , so as it relates to migration during the fourth quarter , this was the result of the the significant coverage had that we portfolio as it relates to credit reviews .
Speaker #2: Whether it was done through the first line, or whether it was done through credit reviews, the penetration over the portfolio related to risk rating was very significant.
Speaker #2: And after that , the the result of that is now we have a full understanding of the these characteristics of loans . It allows us to get to a resolution and expedite resolution and , and address the buckets , both of criticized .
It allows us to get to a resolution, an expedite resolution, and address the buckets both of criticized and, I think, importantly, being proactive and avoiding loans getting into those criticized buckets. So as we think about it now shifting to 2026, what we're seeing is outflows outweighing any type of inflow or any type of migration that we can see into those buckets. So we do project an improvement in the criticized portfolio. You had a question as it relates to provision. Provision has multiple components that we're thinking about in the full year.
Operator: So as we think about it now shifting to 2026, what we're seeing is outflows outweighing any type of inflow or any type of migration that we can see into those buckets. So we do project an improvement in the criticized portfolio. You had a question as it relates to provision. Provision has multiple components that we're thinking about in the full year. There's a portion related to growth. And I know that in Q1, we're projecting to be overall flat, but we do have annualized growth. We have to build the reserves for that loan growth. We also have some weight as to the composition of that growth. To the extent we have a higher composition of C&I, typically those loans require a higher coverage level. So we're expecting that to be seen in provision.
Speaker #2: And I think importantly , being proactive in avoiding loans , getting into those criticized buckets . So as we think about a now shift into 2026 , what we're seeing is outflows outweighing any type of inflow or any type of migration that we can see into those buckets .
Speaker #2: So, we do project an improvement in the criticized portfolio. You had a question as it relates to provision multiples. Provision has—there were components we're thinking about in the full year.
There's a portion related to growth. And I know that in Q1, we're projecting to be overall flat, but we do have annualized growth. We have to build the reserves for that loan growth. We also have some weight as to the composition of that growth. To the extent we have a higher composition of C&I, typically those loans require a higher coverage level. So we're expecting that to be seen in provision. And then we have some loss content that is embedded within the provision as well. Within all of that, we could be seeing something in the 40 to 45 basis points from a P&L impact throughout the year.
Speaker #2: There's a portion related to growth. And I know that in the first quarter we're projecting to be overall flat, but we do have annualized growth.
Speaker #2: We have to build up reserves for for that loan also , growth . some weight as to the It composition of that growth to the extent we have a higher composition of CNI , typically those loans require a higher coverage level .
Operator: And then we have some loss content that is embedded within the provision as well. Within all of that, we could be seeing something in the 40 to 45 basis points from a P&L impact throughout the year. But again, it's not loss content only. It's building of reserves and other factors, any macro factors that could impact the portfolio as well. And to complement, Shary, I believe most of the effort, if you think on the progression of the efforts that we have been doing, is risk identification, trying to be upfront with the different credit buckets, and thereafter trying to exit things that could potentially migrate into this bucket. So our idea is that we're trying to prevent that folder items will fall into this bucket. We have to become more proactive with the credit risk management process, and we are working towards that. Okay. Thank you both.
Speaker #2: Expecting that to be seen in, so we're provision. And then we have content that is embedded some loss within the provision as well.
But again, it's not loss content only. It's building of reserves and other factors, any macro factors that could impact the portfolio as well.
Speaker #2: Of that, within all, we could see something be in the 40 to 45 basis points from a P&L impact throughout the year.
Speaker #2: But again, it's not lost content. Only, it's building up reserves and other factors. And macro factors that could impact the portfolio as well.
Carlos Iafigliola: And to complement, Shary, I believe most of the effort, if you think on the progression of the efforts that we have been doing, is risk identification, trying to be upfront with the different credit buckets, and thereafter trying to exit things that could potentially migrate into this bucket. So our idea is that we're trying to prevent that folder items will fall into this bucket. We have to become more proactive with the credit risk management process, and we are working towards that.
Speaker #3: And to compliment Shari , I believe of the if you think on the that progression of the efforts that we have been effort is doing risk identification , trying to be up front with the credit buckets and and thereafter trying to , you know , things that could exit potentially migrate this into bucket .
Speaker #3: Our idea is that, so we’re to prevent that—trying to fall into these buckets—like we, further items have to become more proactive with the credit risk management process.
Russell Gunther: Okay. Thank you both. If I could sneak one more in, I appreciate your prepared remarks around events in Venezuela. So it looks like international deposit levels were flat this quarter. Wondering if you could share how that has trended so far year to date. Also, if you could touch upon how recent current events are likely to impact your international deposit gathering efforts specifically. And then big picture sounded like you view current events as a potential tailwind to Amerant. Is there anything that would be cause for concern? Thank you.
Operator: If I could sneak one more in, I appreciate your prepared remarks around events in Venezuela. So it looks like international deposit levels were flat this quarter. Wondering if you could share how that has trended so far year to date. Also, if you could touch upon how recent current events are likely to impact your international deposit gathering efforts specifically. And then big picture sounded like you view current events as a potential tailwind to Amerant. Is there anything that would be cause for concern? Thank you. Yeah. No, good question. I believe historically we have been very well positioned to leverage on our international capacities. The bank, as you know, is vertically integrated, especially on the personal side to onboard customers to have their banking needs and investment needs all under the same umbrella. I believe that's a great thing that we have.
Speaker #3: And we are working towards that.
Speaker #1: Thank you Okay . both . If I could sneak one more in , I appreciate your prepared remarks around events in Venezuela . So it looks like international deposit levels were flat .
Speaker #1: This quarter . Wondering if you could share how that has trended so far . Year to date . Also , if you could touch upon how recent current events are likely to impact your international deposit gathering efforts specifically .
Speaker #1: And in the big picture, it sounded like you view current events as a potential tailwind to Amerant. Is there anything that would be cause for concern?
Carlos Iafigliola: Yeah. No, good question. I believe historically we have been very well positioned to leverage on our international capacities. The bank, as you know, is vertically integrated, especially on the personal side to onboard customers to have their banking needs and investment needs all under the same umbrella. I believe that's a great thing that we have. Traditionally, our international customers have been using these platforms throughout the years. So I believe it's still too soon, but we see very good signs and very fast progression.
Speaker #1: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Yeah . No . Good question . I believe historically we have been very well positioned to leverage on our international capacities . The bank has , you know , is vertically integrated , especially on the the on personal side to , you know , board customers to to have a , you know , their banking needs and investment needs all under the same umbrella .
Operator: Traditionally, our international customers have been using these platforms throughout the years. So I believe it's still too soon, but we see very good signs and very fast progression. We have engaged with economists and with different advisors to understand the situation down there. And I believe it's very promising. The events are moving really, really fast. We believe there is a great opportunity that we cannot size as of now, but we see that the production, the old production in the country will definitely surge, and will create the opportunity for regaining wealth in the country that will, in turn, create opportunity for Amerant to increase deposits on the international side. So we're assessing very closely. It's still too soon to understand the impact, but we believe once it starts, it may create a positive impact for the international depository base.
Speaker #3: I believe that's a great thing that we have. And traditionally, our international customers have been using these platforms throughout the years.
We have engaged with economists and with different advisors to understand the situation down there. And I believe it's very promising. The events are moving really, really fast. We believe there is a great opportunity that we cannot size as of now, but we see that the production, the old production in the country will definitely surge, and will create the opportunity for regaining wealth in the country that will, in turn, create opportunity for Amerant to increase deposits on the international side. So we're assessing very closely.
Speaker #3: So I believe it's still soon . too But we see very good signs and very fast progression . We have , you know , engaged with economists and with different advisors to understand the situation down there .
Speaker #3: And I believe it's very promising . The events are moving really , really fast . The we believe there is a great opportunity that we cannot size as of now , but we see that the the oil production production , country will in the definitely surge we'll and create the opportunity for regaining wealth in the country .
Speaker #3: That will, in turn, create opportunity for Amazon to increase deposits on the international side. So we are assessing very closely. It is still too soon to understand the impact, but we believe once it starts, it may create a positive impact for the international depository base.
It's still too soon to understand the impact, but we believe once it starts, it may create a positive impact for the international depository base.
Operator: And Carlos, to complement that too, in the fourth quarter, we did see an increase in the personal account balances on the international side, often with some commercial reductions. The commercial reductions are typically occurring, and that's part of the business as usual for the companies. So nothing extraordinary that we're seeing there. But I think the important piece, as Carlos was highlighting, is we see a lot of opportunities. Although it's early to tell, we see opportunities on the deposit and AUM side. But we continue our plan of focusing on the deposit and AUMs and not looking into the lending strategy at all. Right. Great. Okay, guys. Thank you very much for taking my questions. Thanks, Russell. Thank you. Thank you. As a reminder, that's star one to be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Woody Lay from KBW.
Sharymar Calderón: And Carlos, to complement that too, in the fourth quarter, we did see an increase in the personal account balances on the international side, often with some commercial reductions. The commercial reductions are typically occurring, and that's part of the business as usual for the companies. So nothing extraordinary that we're seeing there. But I think the important piece, as Carlos was highlighting, is we see a lot of opportunities.
Speaker #2: And Carlos , the compliment that too , in the fourth quarter , we did see an increase in the personal account balances on the international side , offset with some commercial reductions .
Speaker #2: The commercial reductions are typical , typically occurring , and that's part of the business as usual for for the companies . So nothing extraordinary that we're seeing there .
Although it's early to tell, we see opportunities on the deposit and AUM side. But we continue our plan of focusing on the deposit and AUMs and not looking into the lending strategy at all.
Speaker #2: But I think the important piece, as Carlos was highlighting, is we see a lot of opportunities. Although it's early to tell, we see opportunities on the deposit and AUM side, but we continue our plan of focusing on the deposit and AUM and not looking into the lending strategy at this time.
Speaker #2: But I think the important piece , as Carlos was highlighting is we see a lot of opportunities . Although it's early to tell , we see opportunities on the deposit and AUM side , but we continue our plan of focusing on the deposit and AUM and not looking into the lending strategy at all .
Russell Gunther: Right. Great. Okay, guys. Thank you very much for taking my questions.
Sharymar Calderón: Thanks, Russell.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you.
Thank you. As a reminder, that's star one to be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Woody Lay from KBW. Your line is now live.
Speaker #4: Right , great .
Speaker #1: Okay, guys, thank you very much for taking my questions.
Speaker #2: Thanks .
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Operator: Your line is now live. Hey, good morning, guys. Wanted to start. Deposits and core deposits were down about $4 million. And was just wondering how much of that was intentional runoff. And now that assets came below $10 billion at the end of the year, do you expect bringing those deposits back on balance sheet? Right. No, good question. I believe those, and we made comments along the presentation regarding to optimize the balance sheet composition. We analyzed the balance sheet in quarter end, or actually in Q4, and we started to discuss once I took over the components and trying to understand if we really were a $10 billion institution or not.
Woody Lay: Hey, good morning, guys. Wanted to start. Deposits and core deposits were down about $4 million. And was just wondering how much of that was intentional runoff. And now that assets came below $10 billion at the end of the year, do you expect bringing those deposits back on balance sheet?
Speaker #6: Thank you. As a reminder, Star One will be placed in the question queue. Our next question is coming from Woody Lei from CCB.
Speaker #6: Your line is now live.
Speaker #7: Hey, good morning, guys. Wanted to start with deposits, and I was like, core deposits were down about $400 million, and was just wondering how much of that was intentional runoff.
Speaker #7: And now that you know , assets came below end of the year , do 10 billion at the you expect bringing those deposits back on balance sheet .
Carlos Iafigliola: Right. No, good question. I believe those, and we made comments along the presentation regarding to optimize the balance sheet composition. We analyzed the balance sheet in quarter end, or actually in Q4, and we started to discuss once I took over the components and trying to understand if we really were a $10 billion institution or not.
Speaker #7: ?
Speaker #3: Right . Now ? question . Good I believe those . And we make comments the the along presentation regarding to optimize the balance sheet composition .
Speaker #3: We analyze the balance sheet at quarter-end, or actually in Q4. And we started to discuss, once we took over the components, and trying to understand really where—if we are a $10 billion institution or not.
Operator: So, understanding the excess liquidity that we carry and understanding the inorganic source of deposits, we decided there is no need to carry the burden of being a $10 billion financial institution for quarter end if the sources that are taking us there are not organic or they are not part of our core business. So we decided to exit this specific deposits at quarter end and accomplish the goal of being under the $10 billion. So now if we're going to declare Amerant to be over the $10 billion, we really want to make it because there are the right fundamentals behind that, not just because of the sake of being over the $10 billion. So I believe it was a process of rationalizing and understanding what are the true drivers behind the growth and not just because of the sake of being $10 billion. Got it.
So, understanding the excess liquidity that we carry and understanding the inorganic source of deposits, we decided there is no need to carry the burden of being a $10 billion financial institution for quarter end if the sources that are taking us there are not organic or they are not part of our core business. So we decided to exit this specific deposits at quarter end and accomplish the goal of being under the $10 billion.
Speaker #3: So, understanding the excess liquidity that we carry and understanding the inorganic source of the deposits, we decided there is no need to carry the burden of being a $10 billion financial institution for the end.
Speaker #3: If the sources that are taking us there are not organic, or they are not part of our core business, we decided to exit this specific at quarter end and deposits accomplish the goal of being under the $10 billion.
So now if we're going to declare Amerant to be over the $10 billion, we really want to make it because there are the right fundamentals behind that, not just because of the sake of being over the $10 billion. So I believe it was a process of rationalizing and understanding what are the true drivers behind the growth and not just because of the sake of being $10 billion.
Speaker #3: So now, if we're going to declare Amerant to be over the $10 billion, we really want to make it because there are the right fundamentals behind that, not just for the sake of being over the $10 billion.
Woody Lay: Got it. And then you still have elevated broker deposits that'll be borrowing. Is the intention to continue to remix that in 2026 and likely stay under $10 billion?
Speaker #3: So, I believe it was a process of rationalizing and understanding what are the true drivers behind the growth, and not just because of the sake of being $10 billion.
Operator: And then you still have elevated broker deposits that'll be borrowing. Is the intention to continue to remix that in 2026 and likely stay under $10 billion? Yeah. We'll definitely remember, we will use broker deposits as an ALM tool. So if there is an opportunistic approach on that side to lock in long interest rate at an advantageous level for the bank, we'll reuse that line item to hedge. But the intention is not to use it as a source of increasing the balance sheet. So you can expect low levels going forward. Got it. And then just last quick follow-up on expenses. Do you expect any elevated restructuring charges in 2026, or do you feel like you have all of that behind you now in the fourth quarter? So great question.
Speaker #7: Got it . And then you still have , you know , elevated broker deposits , LP borrowings is the intention to continue to remix that in 26 and likely stay under 10 billion in .
Carlos Iafigliola: Yeah. We'll definitely remember, we will use broker deposits as an ALM tool. So if there is an opportunistic approach on that side to lock in long interest rate at an advantageous level for the bank, we'll reuse that line item to hedge. But the intention is not to use it as a source of increasing the balance sheet. So you can expect low levels going forward.
Speaker #3: Yeah , definitely we'll remember we broker deposits as an ARM will use tool . So if there is an opportunistic approach on that side to lock in long interest at an advantageous level for the bank , we'll , you know , reuse that line item to hedge .
Speaker #3: But the intention to use it is as a source of increase in the budget. So, you can expect low levels going forward.
Woody Lay: Got it. And then just last quick follow-up on expenses. Do you expect any elevated restructuring charges in 2026, or do you feel like you have all of that behind you now in the fourth quarter?
Speaker #7: Got it . And just last follow , just a defenses . quick Do you expect any elevated restructuring charges in 2026 . Or do you feel like you have all of that behind you now in the fourth quarter .
Carlos Iafigliola: So great question. Our internal discussions have been centered about diverting or stop using non-GAAP metrics as much as we can. I believe there was an excessive usage of non-GAAP metrics to track the performance of the company that creates a lot of noise, and a lot of back, and a lot of distraction. So we are actually transferring to the scorecards to either the executive committee and the bank in general metrics that are GAAP that we can actually trace through our financials, and we no need of additional explanation. So all the efforts that we did in Q4 were precisely related to trying to have a clean 2026.
Operator: Our internal discussions have been centered about diverting or stop using non-GAAP metrics as much as we can. I believe there was an excessive usage of non-GAAP metrics to track the performance of the company that creates a lot of noise, and a lot of back, and a lot of distraction. So we are actually transferring to the scorecards to either the executive committee and the bank in general metrics that are GAAP that we can actually trace through our financials, and we no need of additional explanation. So all the efforts that we did in Q4 were precisely related to trying to have a clean 2026. All right. That's great. Thanks for the question. Thank you. Thank you. We've reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments.
Speaker #3: Great, so question. Our internal discussions have been centered about diverting or stopping the use of non-GAAP metrics as much as we can. I believe there was an excessive usage of non-GAAP metrics to track the performance of the company.
Speaker #3: That creates a lot of noise and a lot of advocates and a lot of distraction . So we are actually transferring to the scorecards , to the either the executive committee and the bank in general metrics that are GAAP that we can actually trace through our financials .
Speaker #3: And we need no additional explanation. So all the efforts that we did in Q4 were precisely related to trying to have a clean 2026.
Woody Lay: All right. That's great. Thanks for the question.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you.
Thank you. We've reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments.
Speaker #7: All right. That's great. Thanks for taking the questions.
Speaker #5: Thanks . Thank you .
Speaker #6: Thank you. We've reached the end of the questions and will now turn the session over. I'd like to hand the floor back to management for any further closing comments.
Operator: Thank you so much for connecting today and the call, Kevin. We'll close out the call and have a great day. Thank you, Madame Cloutier, for the conference webcast. We disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.
Carlos Iafigliola: Thank you so much for connecting today and the call, Kevin. We'll close out the call and have a great day.
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Speaker #3: Thank you so much for connecting today and for the call. We'll open it to Kevin, then we'll close out the call. Have a great day.
Thank you, Madame Cloutier, for the conference webcast. We disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today.
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