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Q4 2025 Xylem Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Good day, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's Q4 2025 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star and then one on your telephone keypads. To withdraw your questions, you may press Star and two. Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Mr. Keith Buettner, Vice President, Investor Relations, and FP&A. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good day, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's Q4 2025 Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star and then one on your telephone keypads. To withdraw your questions, you may press Star and two. Please also note today's event is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the floor over to Mr. Keith Buettner, Vice President, Investor Relations, and FP&A. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #3: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's fourth quarter, 2025 earnings call. With me today are Chief Executive Officer Matthew Pine, and Chief Financial Officer Bill Grogan.
Keith Buettner: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's Q4 2025 Earnings Call. With me today are Chief Executive Officer Matthew Pine, and Chief Financial Officer Bill Grogan. They will provide their perspective on Xylem's Q4 and full year 2025 results and discuss the Q1 and full year 2026 outlook. Following our prepared remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered on the call. I'll ask that you please keep to one question and a follow-up, and then return to the queue. As a reminder, this call and our webcast are accompanied by a slide presentation available in the Investors section of our website. A replay of today's call will be available until midnight, February 24, and will be available for playback via the Investors section of our website under the heading Investor Events. Please turn to slide 2.
Keith Buettner: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Xylem's Q4 2025 Earnings Call. With me today are Chief Executive Officer Matthew Pine, and Chief Financial Officer Bill Grogan. They will provide their perspective on Xylem's Q4 and full year 2025 results and discuss the Q1 and full year 2026 outlook. Following our prepared remarks, we will address questions related to the information covered on the call. I'll ask that you please keep to one question and a follow-up, and then return to the queue. As a reminder, this call and our webcast are accompanied by a slide presentation available in the Investors section of our website. A replay of today's call will be available until midnight, February 24, and will be available for playback via the Investors section of our website under the heading Investor Events. Please turn to slide 2.
Speaker #3: 2. We will make some forward-looking statements on today's call, including references to future events
Keith Buettner: We will make some forward-looking statements on today's call, including references to future events or developments that we anticipate will or may occur in the future. These statements are subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as those factors described in Xylem's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and in subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Please note that the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements publicly to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, and actual events or results could differ materially from those anticipated. Please turn to slide 3. We have provided you with a summary of our key performance metrics, including both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics. For the purposes of today's call, all references will be on an organic and/or adjusted basis unless otherwise indicated, and non-GAAP financials have been reconciled for you and are included in the appendix section of the presentation.
Keith Buettner: We will make some forward-looking statements on today's call, including references to future events or developments that we anticipate will or may occur in the future. These statements are subject to future risks and uncertainties, such as those factors described in Xylem's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and in subsequent reports filed with the SEC. Please note that the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements publicly to reflect subsequent events or circumstances, and actual events or results could differ materially from those anticipated. Please turn to slide 3. We have provided you with a summary of our key performance metrics, including both GAAP and non-GAAP metrics. For the purposes of today's call, all references will be on an organic and/or adjusted basis unless otherwise indicated, and non-GAAP financials have been reconciled for you and are included in the appendix section of the presentation.
Speaker #3: will or may occur in the future. These statements are subject to Please also note today's event They will provide future risks and uncertainties, such as those factors described in Xylem's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and in subsequent reports filed with the SEC.
Speaker #3: Please note that the company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements publicly to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. Actual events or results could differ materially from those anticipated.
Speaker #3: Please turn to slide 3. We have provided you with a summary of our key performance metrics, including both gap and non-gap metrics, for the purposes of today's call.
Speaker #3: All references will be in an organic and/or adjusted basis unless otherwise indicated, and non-gap financials have been reconciled for you in our included in the appendix section of the presentation.
Speaker #3: Now, please turn to slide 4, and I will turn the call over to our CEO, Matthew
Keith Buettner: Now, please turn to slide four, and I will turn the call over to our CEO, Matthew Pine.
Keith Buettner: Now, please turn to slide four, and I will turn the call over to our CEO, Matthew Pine.
Speaker #3: Pine. Thank you, Keith.
Matthew Pine: Thank you, Keith. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. The team delivered an outstanding fourth quarter to close a record year for Xylem. We delivered strong Q4 performance across all major metrics. The team executed with discipline across the portfolio, both in the quarter and full year. The record results demonstrate the impact of our operating model transformation, which represents phase one of our plan to deliver Xylem's long-term framework. That first phase has been about transforming Xylem's operating model, our high-impact culture, a simpler, scalable structure, and improvements in our business processes and cornerstone systems. We've simplified Xylem, increasing speed and accountability. The numbers we posted this morning reflect the ground we've already taken, and there's more to come in 2026.
Matthew Pine: Thank you, Keith. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. The team delivered an outstanding fourth quarter to close a record year for Xylem. We delivered strong Q4 performance across all major metrics. The team executed with discipline across the portfolio, both in the quarter and full year. The record results demonstrate the impact of our operating model transformation, which represents phase one of our plan to deliver Xylem's long-term framework. That first phase has been about transforming Xylem's operating model, our high-impact culture, a simpler, scalable structure, and improvements in our business processes and cornerstone systems. We've simplified Xylem, increasing speed and accountability. The numbers we posted this morning reflect the ground we've already taken, and there's more to come in 2026.
Speaker #4: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. The team delivered an outstanding fourth quarter to close a record year for Xylem. We delivered strong Q4 performance across all major metrics.
Speaker #4: The team executed with discipline across the portfolio, both in the quarter and full year. The record results demonstrate the impact of our operating model transformation, which represents phase one of our plan to deliver Xylem's first phase has been about transforming Xylem's operating model, our high-impact culture, a simpler, scalable structure, and improvements in our business processes and cornerstone systems.
Speaker #4: We've simplified Xylem, increasing speed and accountability. The numbers we posted this morning reflect the ground we've already taken. And there's more to come in 2026.
Speaker #4: In parallel, we're entering phase two, strengthening our growth engine by leveraging improvements in our operating model, focusing on Salesforce effectiveness, product management, and innovation.
Matthew Pine: In parallel, we're entering phase two, strengthening our growth engine by leveraging improvements in our operating model, focusing on salesforce effectiveness, product management, and innovation. Phase three will invest further in long-term competitiveness, building on our core franchises, expanding breakthrough innovation, and deepening exposure to the most attractive future water markets. We're tracking to the framework we laid out almost two years ago, and we have plenty of runway ahead. As we sharpen our customer focus and simplify our product offerings, 2026 will be the peak of purposeful walkaways from lower-quality revenue. That creates a short-term top-line headwind, as we've communicated previously, but it drives higher quality earnings. Looking ahead to 2026, we see resilient demand in our largest end markets, strong backlog conversion, and continued traction from our transformation efforts.
Matthew Pine: In parallel, we're entering phase two, strengthening our growth engine by leveraging improvements in our operating model, focusing on salesforce effectiveness, product management, and innovation. Phase three will invest further in long-term competitiveness, building on our core franchises, expanding breakthrough innovation, and deepening exposure to the most attractive future water markets. We're tracking to the framework we laid out almost two years ago, and we have plenty of runway ahead. As we sharpen our customer focus and simplify our product offerings, 2026 will be the peak of purposeful walkaways from lower-quality revenue. That creates a short-term top-line headwind, as we've communicated previously, but it drives higher quality earnings. Looking ahead to 2026, we see resilient demand in our largest end markets, strong backlog conversion, and continued traction from our transformation efforts.
Speaker #4: Phase three will invest further in long-term competitiveness, building on our core franchises, expanding breakthrough innovation, and deepening exposure to the most attractive future water markets.
Speaker #4: We're tracking to the framework we laid out almost two years ago, and we have plenty of runway ahead. As we sharpen our customer focus and simplify our product offerings, 2026 will be the peak of purposeful walkaways from lower-quality revenue.
Speaker #4: That creates a short-term top-line headwind as we communicated previously. But it drives higher-quality earnings. Looking ahead to 2026, we see resilient demand in our largest end markets, strong backlog conversion, and continued traction from our transformation efforts.
Speaker #4: I'll leave the detailed guidance to Bill, but at a high level, we will build on our commercial and operational momentum. Growing the top line and expanding margins again in 2026.
Matthew Pine: I'll leave the detailed guidance to Bill, but at a high level, we will build on our commercial and operational momentum, growing the top line and expanding margins again in 2026. With that, Bill will take you through the quarter, full year, and also our 2026 outlook in more detail. Bill?
Matthew Pine: I'll leave the detailed guidance to Bill, but at a high level, we will build on our commercial and operational momentum, growing the top line and expanding margins again in 2026. With that, Bill will take you through the quarter, full year, and also our 2026 outlook in more detail. Bill?
Speaker #4: With that, Bill will take you through the quarter and full year, and also our 2026 outlook in more detail. Bill?
Speaker #3: Thanks, Matthew. Please turn to slide 5. We are very pleased with the strong finish to 2025. The team stayed focused and delivered consistently throughout the year, delivering record revenue, EBITDA, and earnings per share for the fourth quarter and the full year.
Bill Grogan: Thanks, Matthew. Please turn to slide 5. We are very pleased with the strong finish to 2025. The team stayed focused and delivered consistently throughout the year, delivering record revenue, EBITDA, and earnings per share for the fourth quarter and the full year. Demand remains positive, with our backlog finishing at $4.6 billion. Our book-to-bill was near 1, both in the quarter and for the full year. Orders were healthy, up 7% in the quarter, driven by over 20% growth in MCS, and for the year, orders were up 2%. Revenue grew 4% in the quarter, despite a challenging comparison of 7% growth in the same period last year. Full-year revenue growth was solid at 5%. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors.
Bill Grogan: Thanks, Matthew. Please turn to slide 5. We are very pleased with the strong finish to 2025. The team stayed focused and delivered consistently throughout the year, delivering record revenue, EBITDA, and earnings per share for the fourth quarter and the full year. Demand remains positive, with our backlog finishing at $4.6 billion. Our book-to-bill was near 1, both in the quarter and for the full year. Orders were healthy, up 7% in the quarter, driven by over 20% growth in MCS, and for the year, orders were up 2%. Revenue grew 4% in the quarter, despite a challenging comparison of 7% growth in the same period last year. Full-year revenue growth was solid at 5%. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors.
Speaker #3: Demand remains positive, with our backlog finishing at $4.6 billion. Our book-to-bill was near 1, both in the quarter and for the full year. Orders were healthy, up 7% in the quarter, driven by over 20% growth in MCS.
Speaker #3: And for the year, orders were up 2%. Revenue grew 4% in the quarter, despite a challenging comparison of 7% growth in the same period last year.
Speaker #3: Full-year revenue growth was solid at 5%. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors. The team's operational discipline delivered quarterly EBITDA margin of 23.2%, up 220 basis points versus the prior year.
Bill Grogan: The team's operational discipline delivered quarterly EBITDA margin of 23.2%, up 220 basis points versus the prior year. The improvement was driven by productivity and price, more than offsetting inflation. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors. We also achieved a record quarterly EPS of $1.42, a 20% increase over the prior year. Our balance sheet remains in great shape, with net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 0.2x. Year-to-date, free cash flow decreased by 2% from the prior year, in line with expectations, driven by outsourced water projects, system investments, and restructuring costs, offset by higher net income. Let's turn to slide 6.
Bill Grogan: The team's operational discipline delivered quarterly EBITDA margin of 23.2%, up 220 basis points versus the prior year. The improvement was driven by productivity and price, more than offsetting inflation. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors. We also achieved a record quarterly EPS of $1.42, a 20% increase over the prior year. Our balance sheet remains in great shape, with net debt to adjusted EBITDA of 0.2x. Year-to-date, free cash flow decreased by 2% from the prior year, in line with expectations, driven by outsourced water projects, system investments, and restructuring costs, offset by higher net income. Let's turn to slide 6.
Speaker #3: The improvement was driven by productivity and price, more than offsetting inflation. Full-year EBITDA margin expanded 160 basis points to 22.2%, driven by the same factors.
Speaker #3: We also achieved a record quarterly EPS of $1.42, a 20% increase over the prior year. Our balance sheet remains in great shape, with net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA of 0.2 times.
Speaker #3: Year-to-date free cash flow decreased by 2% from the prior year, in line with expectations, driven by outsourced water projects, system investments, and restructuring costs, offset by higher net income.
Speaker #3: Let's turn to slide 6. In measurement control solutions, we continue to convert the backlog with MCS's backlog finishing the year at roughly 1.4 billion.
Bill Grogan: In Measurement & Control Solutions, we continued to convert the backlog, with MCS's backlog finishing the year at roughly $1.4 billion. Orders were up a robust 22%, driven by smart metering demand across water and energy. However, this was below our expectations, with several projects pushing out into 2026. Revenue was up 10%, driven by energy metering demand, but supported by high single-digit gains in water as well, which offset softness in analytics related to timing effects caused by the government shutdown. EBITDA margin of 20.2% was 310 basis points higher than prior year, driven by productivity, price, and volume, more than offsetting mix and inflation. In Water Infrastructure, orders were down 1% in the quarter, with softness in treatment, primarily in China, mostly offset by strong demand in transport.
Bill Grogan: In Measurement & Control Solutions, we continued to convert the backlog, with MCS's backlog finishing the year at roughly $1.4 billion. Orders were up a robust 22%, driven by smart metering demand across water and energy. However, this was below our expectations, with several projects pushing out into 2026. Revenue was up 10%, driven by energy metering demand, but supported by high single-digit gains in water as well, which offset softness in analytics related to timing effects caused by the government shutdown. EBITDA margin of 20.2% was 310 basis points higher than prior year, driven by productivity, price, and volume, more than offsetting mix and inflation. In Water Infrastructure, orders were down 1% in the quarter, with softness in treatment, primarily in China, mostly offset by strong demand in transport.
Speaker #3: Orders were up a robust 22%, driven by smart metering demand across water and energy. However, this was below our expectations, with several projects pushing out into 2026.
Speaker #3: Revenue was up 10%, driven by energy metering demand, but supported by high single-digit gains in water as well. Which offset softness in analytics related to timing effects caused by the government shutdown.
Speaker #3: EBITDA margin of 20.2% was 310 basis points, higher than prior year. Driven by productivity, price, and volume, more than offsetting mix and inflation. In water infrastructure, orders were down 1% in the quarter, with softness in treatment, primarily in China, mostly offset by strong demand and transport.
Speaker #3: Revenue was flat, with strong double-digit growth in the U.S., offset by an almost 30% decline in China. EBITDA margin for Water Infrastructure was up a remarkable 510 basis points, driven by productivity, price, and mix, offset by inflation, volume, and investments.
Bill Grogan: Revenue was flat, with strong double-digit growth in the US, offset by an almost 30% decline in China. EBITDA margin for Water Infrastructure was up a remarkable 510 basis points, driven by productivity, price, and mix, offset by inflation, volume, and investments. In Applied Water, orders were up 5% and book-to-bill was roughly 1, lifted by large projects and data center wins in the US. Revenues were up 3% versus the prior year, primarily driven by strength in US commercial buildings. Segment EBITDA margin increased 60 basis points year-over-year, driven by productivity and price, offset by inflation, volume, and mix. With some of these items being non-recurring in nature, we expect Applied Water to be back in the 20% EBITDA range in Q1. Finally, Water Solutions and Services saw robust demand, with orders increasing 7%, driven by strength in services.
Bill Grogan: Revenue was flat, with strong double-digit growth in the US, offset by an almost 30% decline in China. EBITDA margin for Water Infrastructure was up a remarkable 510 basis points, driven by productivity, price, and mix, offset by inflation, volume, and investments. In Applied Water, orders were up 5% and book-to-bill was roughly 1, lifted by large projects and data center wins in the US. Revenues were up 3% versus the prior year, primarily driven by strength in US commercial buildings. Segment EBITDA margin increased 60 basis points year-over-year, driven by productivity and price, offset by inflation, volume, and mix. With some of these items being non-recurring in nature, we expect Applied Water to be back in the 20% EBITDA range in Q1. Finally, Water Solutions and Services saw robust demand, with orders increasing 7%, driven by strength in services.
Speaker #3: In applied water, orders were up 5% and book-to-bill was roughly 1. Lifted by large projects and data center wins in the US. Revenues were up 3% versus the prior year, primarily driven by strength in US commercial buildings.
Speaker #3: Segment EBITDA margin increased 60 basis points year over year, driven by productivity and price, offset by inflation, volume, and mix, with some of these items being non-recurring in nature.
Speaker #3: We expect applied water to be back in the 20% EBITDA range in the first quarter. Finally, water solutions and services saw robust demand with orders increasing 7%, driven by strength in services.
Speaker #3: Revenue growth was strong, up 4% against a tough comp, with strength in capital and services. Segment EBITDA margin was 23.9%, up 110 basis points versus the prior year, driven by price, volume, and productivity, offset by inflation and mix.
Bill Grogan: Revenue growth was strong, up 4% against a tough comp, with strength in capital and services. Segment EBITDA margin was 23.9%, up 110 basis points versus the prior year, driven by price, volume, and productivity, offset by inflation and mix. Now let's turn to slide 7 for our 2026 segment outlook. Heading into 2026, our markets remain positive, and our teams are delivering on our commitment to simplify Xylem, focus on our customers, and drive profitable growth. We are providing full-year organic revenue outlook for the segments and want to highlight that we are accelerating our 80/20 efforts around product and customer simplification. As a result, we will have an outsized headwind to our top line for the year of roughly 2%, doubling the impact we experienced in 2025.
Bill Grogan: Revenue growth was strong, up 4% against a tough comp, with strength in capital and services. Segment EBITDA margin was 23.9%, up 110 basis points versus the prior year, driven by price, volume, and productivity, offset by inflation and mix. Now let's turn to slide 7 for our 2026 segment outlook. Heading into 2026, our markets remain positive, and our teams are delivering on our commitment to simplify Xylem, focus on our customers, and drive profitable growth. We are providing full-year organic revenue outlook for the segments and want to highlight that we are accelerating our 80/20 efforts around product and customer simplification. As a result, we will have an outsized headwind to our top line for the year of roughly 2%, doubling the impact we experienced in 2025.
Speaker #3: Now let's turn to slide 7 for our 2026 segment outlook. Heading into 2026, our markets remain positive, and our teams are delivering on our commitment to simplify Xylem.
Speaker #3: Focus on our customers and drive profitable growth. We are providing full-year organic revenue outlook for the segments, and want to highlight that we are accelerating our 80/20 efforts around product and customer simplification.
Speaker #3: As a result, we will have an outsized headwind to our top line for the year of roughly 2%, doubling the impact we experienced in 2025.
Speaker #3: We expect this is a one-year elevation, and we are still committed to delivering on our long-term framework. In MCS, we expect growth in the mid-single digits.
Bill Grogan: We expect this as a one-year elevation, and we are still committed to delivering on our long-term framework. In MCS, we expect growth in the mid-single digits. Overall demand is positive, and our pipeline remains strong, but project timing has been more variable and less predictable than we have experienced over the last few years. Our expectation is energy meters will drive a majority of the growth in 2026, and water meters will grow low single digits as expected orders from Q4 pushed out into the first half of 2026. We will also have an impact from our 80/20 actions, primarily on analytics, impacting overall segment growth for the year. Q1 will be challenged, down low single digits. We expect to see sequential revenue improvement throughout the year as project kickoffs accelerate in the back half of the year.
Bill Grogan: We expect this as a one-year elevation, and we are still committed to delivering on our long-term framework. In MCS, we expect growth in the mid-single digits. Overall demand is positive, and our pipeline remains strong, but project timing has been more variable and less predictable than we have experienced over the last few years. Our expectation is energy meters will drive a majority of the growth in 2026, and water meters will grow low single digits as expected orders from Q4 pushed out into the first half of 2026. We will also have an impact from our 80/20 actions, primarily on analytics, impacting overall segment growth for the year. Q1 will be challenged, down low single digits. We expect to see sequential revenue improvement throughout the year as project kickoffs accelerate in the back half of the year.
Speaker #3: Overall, demand is positive, and our pipeline remains strong, but project timing has been more variable and less predictable than we have experienced over the last few years.
Speaker #3: Our expectation is energy meters will drive a majority of the growth in 2026, and water meters will grow low single digits as expected orders from the fourth quarter pushed out into the first half of '26.
Speaker #3: We will also have an impact from our 80/20 actions, primarily on analytics, impacting overall segment growth for the year. The first quarter will be challenged, down low single digits, and we expect to see sequential revenue improvement throughout the year, as project kickoffs accelerate in the back half of the year.
Speaker #3: Also, as a reminder, we expect to close on the divestiture of the International Metering Business at the end of the first quarter. In water infrastructure, we expect low single-digit growth.
Bill Grogan: Also, as a reminder, we expect to close on the divestiture of the international metering business at the end of Q1. In Water Infrastructure, we expect low single-digit growth. We anticipate resilient OpEx and CapEx demand due to the mission-critical nature of our applications, with healthy utility end markets across most regions. However, we will see headwinds from 80/20 actions as we accelerate the simplification of our offerings and expect continued weakness in China's utility market, primarily impacting the first half of the year. In Applied Water, we expect growth in the low single digits. We see growth across developed markets, particularly in the US, with large projects coming online and strong growth in data centers. Similar to the story in Water Infrastructure, growth will be offset in Applied Water by 80/20 actions, exiting unprofitable business, and a weak China market impacting the first half of the year.
Bill Grogan: Also, as a reminder, we expect to close on the divestiture of the international metering business at the end of Q1. In Water Infrastructure, we expect low single-digit growth. We anticipate resilient OpEx and CapEx demand due to the mission-critical nature of our applications, with healthy utility end markets across most regions. However, we will see headwinds from 80/20 actions as we accelerate the simplification of our offerings and expect continued weakness in China's utility market, primarily impacting the first half of the year. In Applied Water, we expect growth in the low single digits. We see growth across developed markets, particularly in the US, with large projects coming online and strong growth in data centers. Similar to the story in Water Infrastructure, growth will be offset in Applied Water by 80/20 actions, exiting unprofitable business, and a weak China market impacting the first half of the year.
Speaker #3: We anticipate resilient OPEX and CAPEX demand due to the mission-critical nature of our applications, with healthy utility end markets across most regions. However, we will see headwinds from 80/20 actions as we accelerate the simplification of our offerings and expect continued weakness in China's utility market, primarily impacting the first half of the year.
Speaker #3: In applied water, we expect growth in the low single digits. We see growth across developed markets, particularly in the US, with large projects coming online and strong growth in data centers.
Speaker #3: Similar to the story in Water Infrastructure, growth will be offset in Applied Water by 80/20 actions. Exiting unprofitable business and a weak China market are impacting the first half of the year.
Speaker #3: WSS will deliver mid-single-digit growth, driven by strength in outsourced water projects and solid demand into watering. Though we expect this will continue to be a more variable segment quarter to quarter due to the project nature of our capital offerings.
Bill Grogan: WSS will deliver mid-single-digit growth, driven by strength in outsourced water projects and solid demand in dewatering, though we expect this will continue to be a more variable segment quarter to quarter due to the project nature of our capital offerings. The segment is supported by a $1.4 billion backlog and a strong funnel across all businesses. Now let's turn to slide eight for our full-year and Q1 guidance for 2026. The growth outlook by segment translates into 2026 full-year revenue of $9.1 to $9.2 billion, resulting in revenue growth of 1% to 3% and organic revenue growth of 2% to 4%.
Bill Grogan: WSS will deliver mid-single-digit growth, driven by strength in outsourced water projects and solid demand in dewatering, though we expect this will continue to be a more variable segment quarter to quarter due to the project nature of our capital offerings. The segment is supported by a $1.4 billion backlog and a strong funnel across all businesses. Now let's turn to slide eight for our full-year and Q1 guidance for 2026. The growth outlook by segment translates into 2026 full-year revenue of $9.1 to $9.2 billion, resulting in revenue growth of 1% to 3% and organic revenue growth of 2% to 4%.
Speaker #3: The segment is supported by a 1.4 billion backlog and a strong funnel across all businesses. Now let's turn to slide 8 for our full-year and Q1 guidance for 2026.
Speaker #3: The growth outlook by segment translates into 2026 full-year revenue of 9.1 to 9.2 billion dollars. Resulting in revenue growth of 1 to 3 percent on organic revenue growth of 2 to 4 percent.
Speaker #3: Again, this is on the low end of our long-term framework due to the 80/20 actions we are taking across our segments. But continuing to increase the quality of our earnings and simplifying our businesses to outperform our markets for the long term.
Bill Grogan: Again, this is on the low end of our long-term framework through the 80/20 actions we are taking across our segments, but continuing to increase the quality of our earnings and simplifying our businesses to outperform our markets for the long term. EBITDA margin ex- is expected to be 22.9 to 23.3%. This represents 70 to 110 basis points of expansion versus the prior year, driven by productivity, volume, and price offsetting inflation, with productivity continuing to benefit from our simplification efforts. This yields an EPS range of $5.35 to $5.60, up 8% at the midpoint over the prior year. As a reminder, we are committed to low double-digit free cash flow margin in our long-term financial framework, and we will make additional progress in 2026.
Bill Grogan: Again, this is on the low end of our long-term framework through the 80/20 actions we are taking across our segments, but continuing to increase the quality of our earnings and simplifying our businesses to outperform our markets for the long term. EBITDA margin ex- is expected to be 22.9 to 23.3%. This represents 70 to 110 basis points of expansion versus the prior year, driven by productivity, volume, and price offsetting inflation, with productivity continuing to benefit from our simplification efforts. This yields an EPS range of $5.35 to $5.60, up 8% at the midpoint over the prior year. As a reminder, we are committed to low double-digit free cash flow margin in our long-term financial framework, and we will make additional progress in 2026.
Speaker #3: EBITDA margin is expected to be 22.9 to 23.3 percent. This represents 70 to 110 basis points of expansion versus the prior year, driven by productivity, volume, and price offsetting inflation.
Speaker #3: With productivity continuing to benefit from our simplification efforts, this yields an EPS range of $5.35 to $5.60, up 8% at the midpoint over the prior year.
Speaker #3: As a reminder, we are committed to low double-digit free cash flow margin in our long-term financial framework. And we will make additional progress in 2026.
Speaker #3: Drilling down on the first quarter, we anticipate reported revenue growth will be in the 1 to 2 percent range on a reported basis and flat organically.
Bill Grogan: Drilling down on the Q1, we anticipate reported revenue growth will be in the 1% to 2% range on a reported basis and flat organically. We expect Q1 EBITDA margin to be approximately 20.5% to 21%, up 25 basis points at the midpoint, driven by productivity gains and impacts from our simplification efforts, offset by mix. This yields Q1 EPS of $1.06 to $1.11. We are entering the year with momentum and in a position of strength. Our balanced outlook reflects strong commercial positioning, the durability of our portfolio, and further benefits from simplification, though we are monitoring broader market conditions and volatility, including tariffs. Overall, our expectations for the year remain positive as we build on our strong results.
Bill Grogan: Drilling down on the Q1, we anticipate reported revenue growth will be in the 1% to 2% range on a reported basis and flat organically. We expect Q1 EBITDA margin to be approximately 20.5% to 21%, up 25 basis points at the midpoint, driven by productivity gains and impacts from our simplification efforts, offset by mix. This yields Q1 EPS of $1.06 to $1.11. We are entering the year with momentum and in a position of strength. Our balanced outlook reflects strong commercial positioning, the durability of our portfolio, and further benefits from simplification, though we are monitoring broader market conditions and volatility, including tariffs. Overall, our expectations for the year remain positive as we build on our strong results.
Speaker #3: We expect first-quarter EBITDA margin to be approximately 20.5 percent to 21 percent, up 25 basis points at the midpoint, driven by productivity gains and impacts from our simplification efforts offset by mix.
Speaker #3: This yields first-quarter EPS of $1.06 to $1.11. We are entering the year with momentum and in a position of strength. Our balanced outlook reflects strong commercial positioning that durability of our portfolio and further benefits from simplification.
Speaker #3: Though we are monitoring broader market conditions and volatility, including tariffs. Overall, our expectations for the year remain positive as we build on our strong results.
Speaker #3: With that, please turn to slide 9, and I'll turn the call back over to Matthew for closing
Bill Grogan: With that, please turn to slide 9, and I'll turn the call back over to Matthew for closing comments.
Bill Grogan: With that, please turn to slide 9, and I'll turn the call back over to Matthew for closing comments.
Speaker #3: comments. Thanks, Bill.
Matthew Pine: Thanks, Bill. Before we open for questions, let me close with a broader lens. Xylem participated in the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting at Davos for the first time this year. The headlines were all about AI and geopolitics, but water emerged as a significant underlying theme. ... More than a dozen sessions framed water as foundational to economic growth, energy systems, and geopolitical stability. That aligns directly with the research we released last month, Watering the New Economy, which makes a simple point: as AI accelerates growth in power generation, data centers, and microelectronics, water strategy becomes business strategy. These sectors are wrestling with availability, reliability, and efficiency. They need reuse at scale, dramatic reductions in network leaks, and adaptive infrastructure that automatically optimizes performance. And that's where Xylem is uniquely positioned, covering the full water value chain with practical solutions.
Matthew Pine: Thanks, Bill. Before we open for questions, let me close with a broader lens. Xylem participated in the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting at Davos for the first time this year. The headlines were all about AI and geopolitics, but water emerged as a significant underlying theme. ... More than a dozen sessions framed water as foundational to economic growth, energy systems, and geopolitical stability. That aligns directly with the research we released last month, Watering the New Economy, which makes a simple point: as AI accelerates growth in power generation, data centers, and microelectronics, water strategy becomes business strategy. These sectors are wrestling with availability, reliability, and efficiency. They need reuse at scale, dramatic reductions in network leaks, and adaptive infrastructure that automatically optimizes performance. And that's where Xylem is uniquely positioned, covering the full water value chain with practical solutions.
Speaker #1: Before we open for questions, let me close with a broader lens. Xylem participated in the World Economic Forum annual meeting at Davos for the first time this year.
Speaker #1: The headlines were all about AI and geopolitics. But water emerged as a significant underlying theme. More than a dozen sessions framed water as foundational to economic growth, energy systems, and geopolitical stability.
Speaker #1: That aligns directly with the research we released last month, "Watering the New Economy." Which makes a simple point. Is AI accelerates growth and power generation, data centers, and microelectronics water strategy becomes business strategy.
Speaker #1: These sectors are wrestling with availability, reliability, and efficiency. They need reuse at scale, dramatic reductions in network leaks, and adaptive infrastructure that automatically optimizes performance.
Speaker #1: And that's where Xylem is uniquely positioned, covering the full water value chain with practical solutions. That breadth differentiates us at a time when customers are looking for credible, scalable partners.
Matthew Pine: That breadth differentiates us at a time when customers are looking for credible, scalable partners. As we pivot further into growth, we'll keep building capability where we have structural advantage. Mission-critical utility and industrial applications, where reliability, compliance, and lifecycle costs matter most. Digital platforms that help customers optimize network performance and make resilience affordable. Advanced treatment and reuse that support economic growth without increasing freshwater withdrawals or compromising communities. And services that turn our technology and installed base into dependable, high-value outcomes for customers and durable revenues for Xylem. We're already doing this work at scale, helping cities and industries recover water they already have, reuse what they once discarded, and run their assets more efficiently. We're helping Los Angeles produce 580 million gallons of recycled water per day, with plans to deliver 260 million gallons more.
Matthew Pine: That breadth differentiates us at a time when customers are looking for credible, scalable partners. As we pivot further into growth, we'll keep building capability where we have structural advantage. Mission-critical utility and industrial applications, where reliability, compliance, and lifecycle costs matter most. Digital platforms that help customers optimize network performance and make resilience affordable. Advanced treatment and reuse that support economic growth without increasing freshwater withdrawals or compromising communities. And services that turn our technology and installed base into dependable, high-value outcomes for customers and durable revenues for Xylem. We're already doing this work at scale, helping cities and industries recover water they already have, reuse what they once discarded, and run their assets more efficiently. We're helping Los Angeles produce 580 million gallons of recycled water per day, with plans to deliver 260 million gallons more.
Speaker #1: As we pivot further into growth, we'll keep building capability where we have structural advantage: mission-critical utility and industrial applications where reliability, compliance, and lifecycle costs matter most.
Speaker #1: Digital platforms that help customers optimize network performance and make resilience affordable. Advanced treatment and reuse that support economic growth without increasing freshwater withdrawals or compromising communities.
Speaker #1: And services that turn our technology and installed base into dependable, high-value outcomes for customers and durable revenues for Xylem. We're already doing this work at scale, helping cities and industries recover water they already have, reuse what they once discarded, and run their assets more efficiently.
Speaker #1: We're helping Los Angeles produce 580 million gallons of recycled water per day, with plans to deliver 260 million gallons more. Smaller communities like Hot Springs Arkansas are reducing water losses by 50 percent or more with far less digging costs.
Matthew Pine: Smaller communities like Hot Springs, Arkansas, are reducing water losses by 50% or more, with far less digging costs. On the industrial side, Siltronic, a microelectronics manufacturer, is reusing 80% of its processed water with a Xylem ultrapure water system. One of our aerospace customers is now avoiding more than $30 million in wastewater disposal costs with zero liquid discharge technology, reusing more than 66 million gallons of water annually. All of these examples are responses to intensifying water trends, driving sustained demand for the solutions we provide across the water value chain. We are confident in the strength of our team and our platform to capitalize on that demand and to deliver sustainable, high-quality growth over the long term. With that, we'll open the call for your questions.
Matthew Pine: Smaller communities like Hot Springs, Arkansas, are reducing water losses by 50% or more, with far less digging costs. On the industrial side, Siltronic, a microelectronics manufacturer, is reusing 80% of its processed water with a Xylem ultrapure water system. One of our aerospace customers is now avoiding more than $30 million in wastewater disposal costs with zero liquid discharge technology, reusing more than 66 million gallons of water annually. All of these examples are responses to intensifying water trends, driving sustained demand for the solutions we provide across the water value chain. We are confident in the strength of our team and our platform to capitalize on that demand and to deliver sustainable, high-quality growth over the long term. With that, we'll open the call for your questions.
Speaker #1: On the industrial side, Silfex, a microelectronics manufacturer, is reusing 80 percent of its processed water with a Xylem ultra-pure water system. One of our aerospace customers is now avoiding more than $30 million in wastewater disposal costs with zero liquid discharge technology.
Speaker #1: Reusing more than 66 million gallons of water annually. All of these examples are responses to intensifying water trends, driving sustained demand for the solutions we provide across the water value chain.
Speaker #1: We are confident in the strength of our team and our platform to capitalize on that demand and to deliver sustainable, high-quality growth over the long term.
Speaker #1: With that, we'll open the call for your questions.
Speaker #1: questions. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin that
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Speaker #2: In our first question today, it comes from Dean Dre from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Good morning,
Deane Dray: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Deane Dray: Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
Speaker #3: everyone. Hey, good morning,
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Dean.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Dean.
Speaker #3: Hey, Matthew. As we Dean. do the calendar flip and as you start phase two, maybe you can give us a two-year progress report, if you could, just kind of reflect on the initiatives regarding margin improvement, portfolio optimization, and how you are also trying to keep your eye on growth opportunities too.
Deane Dray: Hey, Matthew, as we do the calendar flip and as you start phase two, maybe you can give us a two-year progress report, if you could. Just kind of reflect on the initiatives regarding margin improvement, portfolio optimization, and how you are also trying to keep your eye on growth opportunities, too. Thank you.
Deane Dray: Hey, Matthew, as we do the calendar flip and as you start phase two, maybe you can give us a two-year progress report, if you could. Just kind of reflect on the initiatives regarding margin improvement, portfolio optimization, and how you are also trying to keep your eye on growth opportunities, too. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Yeah, so first, we've got a lot of work to do in front of us—I'll start there. But if we look back over the past few years, the results have really exceeded expectations from my perspective.
Matthew Pine: Yeah. So first, we've got a lot of work to do in front of us, so I'll, I'll start there. But, you know, if we look back over the past few years, the results have, have really exceeded expectations from my perspective. Maybe just even starting, firstly with, not long ago, we were talking about the integration of Evoqua and Xylem, and we've built a great deal of muscle, in terms of M&A and integration, and we really enhanced our combined culture along the way, and we delivered synergies 18 months early. So I give the team a lot of credit there, starting with that integration. And, you know, at the same time, we've made significant progress in our operational model transformation, which was really about, you know, really our culture, our high-impact culture, improving our processes and systems and our structure.
Matthew Pine: Yeah. So first, we've got a lot of work to do in front of us, so I'll, I'll start there. But, you know, if we look back over the past few years, the results have, have really exceeded expectations from my perspective. Maybe just even starting, firstly with, not long ago, we were talking about the integration of Evoqua and Xylem, and we've built a great deal of muscle, in terms of M&A and integration, and we really enhanced our combined culture along the way, and we delivered synergies 18 months early. So I give the team a lot of credit there, starting with that integration. And, you know, at the same time, we've made significant progress in our operational model transformation, which was really about, you know, really our culture, our high-impact culture, improving our processes and systems and our structure.
Speaker #1: Maybe just even starting, firstly, with not long ago—we were talking about the integration of Evoqua in Xylem. And we've built a great deal of muscle in terms of M&A and integration.
Speaker #1: And we really enhanced our combined culture along the way. And we delivered synergies 18 months early. So I give the team a lot of credit there, starting with that integration.
Speaker #1: And at the same time, we've made significant progress in our operational model transformation, which is really about really our culture, our high-impact culture, improving our processes and systems and our structure.
Speaker #1: And maybe I'll just maybe point to a few proof points on the progress that we've made. The first, in significant amount of change that we've been going through the past couple of years, I looked at our engagement rating the other day.
Matthew Pine: Maybe I'll just point to a few proof points on the progress that we've made. You know, the first in significant amount of change that we've been going through the past couple of years, I looked at our engagement rating the other day. And in essence, an engagement rating in your employee survey is, would you recommend Xylem as a great place to work? Almost 90% of our top 150 leaders said they would, and overall, company was 74. When you're going through a significant transformation, I think that's a really good, outstanding result, and the industrial sector average is around 37%. And so I think it just speaks to the resilience of our team and the culture that we're creating.
Matthew Pine: Maybe I'll just point to a few proof points on the progress that we've made. You know, the first in significant amount of change that we've been going through the past couple of years, I looked at our engagement rating the other day. And in essence, an engagement rating in your employee survey is, would you recommend Xylem as a great place to work? Almost 90% of our top 150 leaders said they would, and overall, company was 74. When you're going through a significant transformation, I think that's a really good, outstanding result, and the industrial sector average is around 37%. And so I think it just speaks to the resilience of our team and the culture that we're creating.
Speaker #1: And in essence, an engagement rating in your employee survey is, would you recommend Xylem as a great place to work? Almost 90 percent of our top 150 leaders said they would.
Speaker #1: And overall, the company was 74. When you're going through a significant transformation, I think that's a really good, outstanding result. And the industrial sector average is around 37 percent.
Speaker #1: And so if they could just speak to the resilience of our team and the culture that we're creating. Another good measure that I talk about a lot is on-time performance in terms of how we're really moving our operating model forward.
Matthew Pine: You know, another good measure that I talk about a lot is on-time performance in terms of how we're, you know, really moving our operating model forward. We've gained 500 basis points of on-time performance, you know, delivering products to customers more effectively over the past couple of years. And structurally, we've really improved, moving from a highly matrix structure to a more, you know, 4 segments, 16 divisions, a single axis, reducing our spans and layers. And we reduced our. We had several micro teams, I think 1,500 micro teams. We reduced that by 40%, so that's folks that have four or less direct reports. And so we've really improved our, our structure, our culture, our processes, and our systems along the way.
Matthew Pine: You know, another good measure that I talk about a lot is on-time performance in terms of how we're, you know, really moving our operating model forward. We've gained 500 basis points of on-time performance, you know, delivering products to customers more effectively over the past couple of years. And structurally, we've really improved, moving from a highly matrix structure to a more, you know, 4 segments, 16 divisions, a single axis, reducing our spans and layers. And we reduced our. We had several micro teams, I think 1,500 micro teams. We reduced that by 40%, so that's folks that have four or less direct reports. And so we've really improved our, our structure, our culture, our processes, and our systems along the way.
Speaker #1: And we've gained 500 basis points of on-time performance delivering products to customers more effectively over the past couple of years. And structurally, we've really improved moving from a highly matrix structure to a more four-segment, 16 divisions, a single axis.
Speaker #1: Reducing our spans and layers. And we reduced our we had several micro-teams. I think 1,500 micro-teams we reduced that by 40 percent. So that's folks that have four or less direct reports.
Speaker #1: And so, we've really improved our structure, our culture, our processes, and our systems along the way. Maybe I would just—like I said in the prepared remarks—we've taken a lot of ground on what I would call phase one.
Matthew Pine: You know, maybe I would just, you know, like I said in the prepared remarks, we've taken a lot of ground on what I would call phase one. It's not over. We have more work to do, but we're starting to transition into what I would call phase two, which is really about leveraging that simplicity that we've created, the focus, the speed, and accountability to really build a growth engine in the company. And that's, you know, focused on a few areas I would highlight at a high level. One is our salesforce effectiveness. We need our sales teams, you know, 75-80% of the time facing the customer versus 40 or 50 or 60 doing back office work. We need to improve our product lifecycle management and innovation, really speed to customer value.
Matthew Pine: You know, maybe I would just, you know, like I said in the prepared remarks, we've taken a lot of ground on what I would call phase one. It's not over. We have more work to do, but we're starting to transition into what I would call phase two, which is really about leveraging that simplicity that we've created, the focus, the speed, and accountability to really build a growth engine in the company. And that's, you know, focused on a few areas I would highlight at a high level. One is our salesforce effectiveness. We need our sales teams, you know, 75-80% of the time facing the customer versus 40 or 50 or 60 doing back office work. We need to improve our product lifecycle management and innovation, really speed to customer value.
Speaker #1: It's not over. We have more work to do. But we're starting to transition into what I would call phase two, which is really about leveraging that simplicity that we've created, the focus, the speed, and accountability to really build a growth engine in the company.
Speaker #1: that's focused on a few areas I would And highlight at a high level. One is our Salesforce effectiveness. We need our sales teams 75, 80 percent of the time facing the customer versus 40 or 50 or 60 doing back-office work.
Speaker #1: We need to improve our product lifecycle management and innovation, really speed to customer value. So those are areas that we're, as we pivot, we're going to be keenly focused on this year and building capabilities so we can leverage the simplicity and get back to growth.
Matthew Pine: So those are areas that we're as we pivot, we're gonna be keenly focused on this year in building capability, so we can leverage the simplicity and get back to growth. But I'm just I'm very proud of the team. I appreciate the question and really the resilience they've shown, not only with all the change that we had to deal with, but also, you know, the change that's been external to the company as we've dealt with over the past couple of years. So maybe I'll end it there. Thanks for the question.
Matthew Pine: So those are areas that we're as we pivot, we're gonna be keenly focused on this year in building capability, so we can leverage the simplicity and get back to growth. But I'm just I'm very proud of the team. I appreciate the question and really the resilience they've shown, not only with all the change that we had to deal with, but also, you know, the change that's been external to the company as we've dealt with over the past couple of years. So maybe I'll end it there. Thanks for the question.
Speaker #1: appreciate the question. And really, But I'm very proud of the team. I the resilience they've shown, not only with all the change that we had to deal with, but also the change that's been external to the company as we've dealt with over the past couple of years.
Speaker #1: So maybe I'll end it there. Thanks for the
Speaker #1: question.
Deane Dray: That's really helpful. And then as a follow-up for Bill, maybe you can help expand on the point of increasing the 80/20 walkaway revenues in the second year. Maybe it's a surprise to me, I think, because I would've thought in the first year, there'd be more opportunities for identifying less profitable businesses, not having it accelerate into the second year. So maybe just kind of help-
Deane Dray: That's really helpful. And then as a follow-up for Bill, maybe you can help expand on the point of increasing the 80/20 walkaway revenues in the second year. Maybe it's a surprise to me, I think, because I would've thought in the first year, there'd be more opportunities for identifying less profitable businesses, not having it accelerate into the second year. So maybe just kind of help-
Speaker #2: That's really
Speaker #2: helpful. And then as a follow-up for Bill, maybe you can expand on the point of increasing the 80/20 walk-away revenues in the second year.
Speaker #2: surprise to me, I think, because I would have Maybe it's a thought in the first year, there'd be more opportunities for less identifying less profitable businesses.
Speaker #2: accelerate into the second year. So maybe just kind Not having it of help put that into context. Appreciate it.
Bill Grogan: Yeah.
Bill Grogan: Yeah.
Deane Dray: Put that into context. Appreciate it.
Deane Dray: Put that into context. Appreciate it.
Speaker #3: Yep. No, sure. Let me step back first and just talk about how 80/20 has really taken hold in the organization, kind of two years into the transformation that Matthew step and simplifying highlighted.
Bill Grogan: Yes. No, sure. But let me, let me step back first and just talk about, you know, how 80/20 is really taking hold in the organization, kind of two years into the transformation that Matthew highlighted. Each quarter, we take another step in simplifying Xylem, you know, shifting from just leveraging 80/20 as a tool set to being a critical piece of how we run the company, with a real focus on resource allocation, putting our best people investments around our largest value-creating opportunities. And we've got about 80% of the business in some phase of implementation right now with the capital and services piece of WSS, the only part of the company not fully launched, and they'll start at the end of this year after they get through their ERP upgrade.
Bill Grogan: Yes. No, sure. But let me, let me step back first and just talk about, you know, how 80/20 is really taking hold in the organization, kind of two years into the transformation that Matthew highlighted. Each quarter, we take another step in simplifying Xylem, you know, shifting from just leveraging 80/20 as a tool set to being a critical piece of how we run the company, with a real focus on resource allocation, putting our best people investments around our largest value-creating opportunities. And we've got about 80% of the business in some phase of implementation right now with the capital and services piece of WSS, the only part of the company not fully launched, and they'll start at the end of this year after they get through their ERP upgrade.
Speaker #3: Each quarter, we take another Xylem. Shifting from just leveraging 80/20 as a tool set to being a critical piece of how we run the company.
Speaker #3: With a real focus on resource allocation, putting our best people investments around our largest value-creating opportunities. We've got about 80 percent of the business in some phase of implementation right now with the capital and services piece of WSS.
Speaker #3: The only part of the company that fully launched and they'll start at the end of this year after they get through their ERP upgrade.
Bill Grogan: And the team continues to make solid progress leveraging the tool set. Right, we started this year with redesigning the organization and putting P&L leaders in charge of the divisions so they could have a good perspective and drive a lot of this change. They looked at the cost that they needed to support the business and optimize that overhead to get our foundation as lean as possible to make sure that we're focused on simplifying this, that organizational construct.
Speaker #3: And the team continues to make solid progress leveraging the tool set. Right? We started this year with redesigning the organization and putting P&L leaders in charge of the divisions so they could have a good perspective and drive a lot of this change.
Bill Grogan: And the team continues to make solid progress leveraging the tool set. Right, we started this year with redesigning the organization and putting P&L leaders in charge of the divisions so they could have a good perspective and drive a lot of this change. They looked at the cost that they needed to support the business and optimize that overhead to get our foundation as lean as possible to make sure that we're focused on simplifying this, that organizational construct.
Speaker #3: They looked at the cost that they needed to support the business and optimize that overhead. To get our foundation as lean as possible, to make sure that we're focused on simplifying this, that organizational construct.
Bill Grogan: You know, as for the 2% headwind, right, a lot of that comes with, you know, an evaluation of the product and customer portfolio, really understanding, you know, the geographies where you might be underperforming, putting in a commercial filter, getting the sales and engineering teams developed and leveraging that filter to make sure that we're not taking business that we shouldn't. You know, we're looking at parts of the business where we have significant pass-through revenue that doesn't have significant margin. And all of those decisions take a little bit of time because you wanna make sure you bleed the inventory, so you don't have an excess issue. You wanna partner with your customers to make sure they're supported through the transition.
Bill Grogan: You know, as for the 2% headwind, right, a lot of that comes with, you know, an evaluation of the product and customer portfolio, really understanding, you know, the geographies where you might be underperforming, putting in a commercial filter, getting the sales and engineering teams developed and leveraging that filter to make sure that we're not taking business that we shouldn't. You know, we're looking at parts of the business where we have significant pass-through revenue that doesn't have significant margin. And all of those decisions take a little bit of time because you wanna make sure you bleed the inventory, so you don't have an excess issue. You wanna partner with your customers to make sure they're supported through the transition.
Speaker #3: As for the 2 percent headwind, right, a lot of that comes with an evaluation of the product and customer portfolio, really understanding the geographies where you might be underperforming, putting in a commercial filter, getting the sales and engineering teams developed and leveraging that filter to make sure that we're not taking business that we shouldn't.
Speaker #3: We're looking at parts of the business where we have significant pass-through revenue that doesn't have significant margin. And all of those decisions take a little bit of time because you want to make sure you bleed the inventory so you don't have an excess issue.
Speaker #3: You want to partner with your customers to make sure they're supported through the transition. So there's the cultural and adoption part of it that extends it.
Bill Grogan: So, there's, you know, the cultural and adoption part of it that extends it, and then there's just the customer coordination, which really pushes it into 2026. So excited about the teams taking these actions, and ultimately, I think it's going to free up our organizational and economical capacity to better support or facilitate our longer term growth trajectory.
Bill Grogan: So, there's, you know, the cultural and adoption part of it that extends it, and then there's just the customer coordination, which really pushes it into 2026. So excited about the teams taking these actions, and ultimately, I think it's going to free up our organizational and economical capacity to better support or facilitate our longer term growth trajectory.
Speaker #3: And then there's just the customer coordination, which really pushes it into 2026. So excited about the teams taking these actions. And ultimately, I think it's going to free up our organizational and economical capacity to better support and facilitate our longer-term growth trajectory.
Speaker #2: Thank you. Our next question comes from Scott Davis from Melius Research. Please go ahead with your
Deane Dray: Thank you.
Deane Dray: Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Our next question comes from Scott Davis, from Melius Research. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Scott Davis, from Melius Research. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #2: question. Hi.
Scott Davis: Hey, good morning, guys, Matthew and Bill.
Scott Davis: Hey, good morning, guys, Matthew and Bill.
Speaker #4: Good
Speaker #4: morning, guys. Matthew and Bill. Hey, good
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Scott.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Scott.
Speaker #1: morning, Scott.
Scott Davis: I wanted to follow up on that question because there's a certain point where 80/20 goes from being a headwind to a tailwind, meaning that you're doing better with the customers that matter the most and perhaps gaining share and such. But when is that point? You know, do you start to see some impacts like 2027, 2028? Is it or is it just too hard to say at this point, now that you're kind of in the middle of it?
Speaker #4: I wanted to follow up on that question because there's a certain point where 80/20 goes from being a headwind to a tailwind. Meaning that you're doing better with the customers that matter the most and perhaps gaining share and such.
Scott Davis: I wanted to follow up on that question because there's a certain point where 80/20 goes from being a headwind to a tailwind, meaning that you're doing better with the customers that matter the most and perhaps gaining share and such. But when is that point? You know, do you start to see some impacts like 2027, 2028? Is it or is it just too hard to say at this point, now that you're kind of in the middle of it?
Speaker #4: But when is that point? Do you start to see some impacts—like 2027, 2028? Or is it just too hard to say at this point now that you're kind of in the middle of it?
Speaker #1: I would say that really 2026 is kind of an inflection point, Scott, for us. The operational transformation never ends, as you know. But we've taken enough ground where we started in the back half of 2025, and it will come into '26 with a bit more momentum around, I would say, building the growth engine and focusing on a customer's what we call raving fans.
Matthew Pine: I would say that, really 2026 is kind of an inflection point, Scott, for us. You know, the operational transformation never ends, as you know, but we've taken enough ground where we started in the back half of 2025, and we're coming into 2026 with a bit more momentum around, I would say, building the growth engine and focusing on, A, customers, what we call raving fans, and actually building out our enterprise selling organization. So all that is in flight. I think the big thing this year is about building salesforce effectiveness and helping our sales organization get more oriented toward the customer the majority of the time. Meaning, you know, today, a lot of our sales teams are doing a lot of admin work, and they don't get in front of the customer, but maybe 30 or 40% of the time.
Matthew Pine: I would say that, really 2026 is kind of an inflection point, Scott, for us. You know, the operational transformation never ends, as you know, but we've taken enough ground where we started in the back half of 2025, and we're coming into 2026 with a bit more momentum around, I would say, building the growth engine and focusing on, A, customers, what we call raving fans, and actually building out our enterprise selling organization. So all that is in flight. I think the big thing this year is about building salesforce effectiveness and helping our sales organization get more oriented toward the customer the majority of the time. Meaning, you know, today, a lot of our sales teams are doing a lot of admin work, and they don't get in front of the customer, but maybe 30 or 40% of the time.
Speaker #1: And actually building out our enterprise selling organization. So all that is in flight. I think the big thing this year is about building Salesforce effectiveness and helping our sales organization get more oriented toward the customer, the majority of the time.
Speaker #1: Meaning today, a lot of our sales teams are doing a lot of admin work, and they don't get in front of the customer, but maybe 30, 40 percent of the time.
Speaker #1: And the goal over the first half of this year is to change that to, say, 75, 80 percent. So I think we're building momentum.
Matthew Pine: And the goal over the first half of this year is to change that to, say, 75, 80%. So I think we're building momentum, and I'd say we exit 2026 with a lot of, again, momentum around building the growth engine and starting to move towards growth and leveraging this simplicity that we've created.
Matthew Pine: And the goal over the first half of this year is to change that to, say, 75, 80%. So I think we're building momentum, and I'd say we exit 2026 with a lot of, again, momentum around building the growth engine and starting to move towards growth and leveraging this simplicity that we've created.
Speaker #1: And I'd say we exit 2026 with a lot of, again, momentum around building the growth engine and starting to move towards growth and leveraging this simplicity that we've
Speaker #1: created.
Scott Davis: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. And as I- I have to ask, your balance sheet is starting to look a little bit too good... and, you know, looks like your stock might open up a little bit light today. I mean, what, what are you guys thinking as far as buyback and, you know, or, or, or do we want to keep the dry powder for M&A?
Scott Davis: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. And as I- I have to ask, your balance sheet is starting to look a little bit too good... and, you know, looks like your stock might open up a little bit light today. I mean, what, what are you guys thinking as far as buyback and, you know, or, or, or do we want to keep the dry powder for M&A?
Speaker #4: makes sense. And I have to ask, Okay. Yeah. That your balance sheet is starting to look a little bit too good. And it looks like your stock might open up a little bit light today.
Speaker #4: I mean, what do you guys think as far as buyback and or do we want to keep the dry powder for M&A?
Speaker #1: Yeah, maybe just to highlight that our priorities continue to be investing in our core business, followed by M&A, dividends, and then, lastly, share buyback.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, maybe just, you know, just to, you know, highlight that our priorities continue to be, you know, investing in our core business, you know, followed by M&A, dividends, and then lastly, share buyback. So, you know, I've said this on some other calls, that our acquisition process that we put in place a couple of years ago is really maturing nicely. It's much more bottoms up. We've got a very strong, actionable funnel, you know, as an outcome of this process. And we deployed about $250 million of capital last year towards M&A in the second half of the year, and we have much more than that that's already in process for the first half of 2026, so seeing good momentum there. And we'll continue to, you know, target around $1 billion a year of capital deployment towards M&A.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, maybe just, you know, just to, you know, highlight that our priorities continue to be, you know, investing in our core business, you know, followed by M&A, dividends, and then lastly, share buyback. So, you know, I've said this on some other calls, that our acquisition process that we put in place a couple of years ago is really maturing nicely. It's much more bottoms up. We've got a very strong, actionable funnel, you know, as an outcome of this process. And we deployed about $250 million of capital last year towards M&A in the second half of the year, and we have much more than that that's already in process for the first half of 2026, so seeing good momentum there. And we'll continue to, you know, target around $1 billion a year of capital deployment towards M&A.
Speaker #1: So I've said this on some other calls that our acquisition process that we put in place a couple of years ago is really maturing nicely.
Speaker #1: It's much more bottoms up. We've got a very strong actionable funnel as an outcome of this process. And we deployed about 250 million dollars of capital last year towards M&A in the second half of the year.
Speaker #1: And we have much more than that that's already in process for the first half of '26. So seeing good momentum there. And we'll continue to target around 1 billion a year of capital deployment towards M&A.
Matthew Pine: You know, we won't not entertain a transformational deal, but it's not something we're focused on right now. It's more medium, small to medium bolt-ons. You know, with regard to your thoughts on share buybacks, you know, we'll continue to be opportunistic, but, you know, again, we're going to be more forward-leaning towards investing in the core and M&A. However, you know, at low leverage levels, you know, like we're seeing now, we're going to be much more active in buying back shares.
Speaker #1: We won't not entertain a transformational deal, but it's not something we're focused on right now. It's more medium small to medium bolt-ons. With regard buybacks, we'll continue to be opportunistic, but again, we're going to be more forward-leaning towards investing in the core and M&A.
Matthew Pine: You know, we won't not entertain a transformational deal, but it's not something we're focused on right now. It's more medium, small to medium bolt-ons. You know, with regard to your thoughts on share buybacks, you know, we'll continue to be opportunistic, but, you know, again, we're going to be more forward-leaning towards investing in the core and M&A. However, you know, at low leverage levels, you know, like we're seeing now, we're going to be much more active in buying back shares.
Speaker #1: However, at low leverage levels, like we're seeing now, we're going to be much more active in buying back
Speaker #1: shares. Gotcha.
Scott Davis: Gotcha. Thank you, guys. Best of luck. I'll pass it on.
Scott Davis: Gotcha. Thank you, guys. Best of luck. I'll pass it on.
Speaker #4: Thank you, guys. Best of luck. I'll pass it on.
Speaker #1: Thank
Speaker #1: you. Our next question comes from
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Mike Halloran from Baird. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Mike Halloran from Baird. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #2: Mike. Halloran from Baird. Please go ahead with your
Speaker #2: question. Hey.
Mike Halloran: Hey, morning, everyone.
Mike Halloran: Hey, morning, everyone.
Speaker #5: Morning, everyone.
Matthew Pine: Morning.
Matthew Pine: Morning.
Speaker #5: So can Morning. you put the backlog exiting the year in context? What it means for this year? And the phasing for the year? Is where the backlog exit rate was, is that part of the 1Q those sequentials work through the softness?
Mike Halloran: So can you put the backlog exiting the year in context, what it means for this year, and the phasing for the year? Is where the backlog exit rate was, is that part of the 1Q softness? How do those sequentials work through the year? And then related, maybe just a little bit about the hesitancy on the project side, and compare that to maybe what the customers are saying, the pipeline, you know, verbal orders, however you want to put it.
Mike Halloran: So can you put the backlog exiting the year in context, what it means for this year, and the phasing for the year? Is where the backlog exit rate was, is that part of the 1Q softness? How do those sequentials work through the year? And then related, maybe just a little bit about the hesitancy on the project side, and compare that to maybe what the customers are saying, the pipeline, you know, verbal orders, however you want to put it.
Speaker #5: year? And then related, maybe just How do a little bit about the hesitancy on the project side. And compare that to maybe what the customers are saying.
Speaker #5: The pipeline, verbal orders, however you want to put it.
Speaker #1: Yeah, maybe I'll touch first just on the backlog positioning, and Matthew, you can comment on the project side. So first off, right, obviously, we've led backlog as we've progressed through this year.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, maybe I'll touch first just on the backlog positioning, and Matthew can comment on the project side. So first off, right, obviously, we've bled backlog as we've progressed through this year, and the lower backlog directly impacts the 2026 cadence and revenue guide. Yeah, first on MCS, you know, we talked about them working down their backlog throughout the year, getting to a more normalized level. You know, we highlighted really strong orders in the fourth quarter, but we actually had anticipated a few larger projects to book that pushed out in the first half, which puts a little bit pressure on our ending backlog and then pressure on kind of our first and second quarter revenue.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, maybe I'll touch first just on the backlog positioning, and Matthew can comment on the project side. So first off, right, obviously, we've bled backlog as we've progressed through this year, and the lower backlog directly impacts the 2026 cadence and revenue guide. Yeah, first on MCS, you know, we talked about them working down their backlog throughout the year, getting to a more normalized level. You know, we highlighted really strong orders in the fourth quarter, but we actually had anticipated a few larger projects to book that pushed out in the first half, which puts a little bit pressure on our ending backlog and then pressure on kind of our first and second quarter revenue.
Speaker #1: And the lower backlog directly impacts the 2026 cadence and revenue guide. First on MCS, we talked about them working down their backlog throughout the year, getting to a more normalized level.
Speaker #1: We highlighted really strong orders in the fourth quarter, but we actually had anticipated a few larger projects to book that pushed out in the first half.
Speaker #1: Which puts you a little bit pressure on our ending backlog. And then pressure on kind of our first and second quarter revenue. And we've talked China has been really weak, especially in treatment, which is a bigger backlog business for us.
Bill Grogan: You know, we've talked, China's been really weak, especially in treatment, which is a bigger backlog business for us, that probably put us at a lower backlog position. And then we talked about the walkaway revenue. Obviously, that's impacted orders, you know, first before it impacts revenue. So we've seen just a lower backlog associated with some of those actions, you know, as we progress through the back half of the last year. So I think we're in good shape to start the year. You know, we've talked about healthy commercial funnels for both MCS and WSS, our largest backlog businesses. You know, what we have line of sight to relative to commercial funnel, I think reasonable confidence in line of sight to the improved progression as we go through the year.
Bill Grogan: You know, we've talked, China's been really weak, especially in treatment, which is a bigger backlog business for us, that probably put us at a lower backlog position. And then we talked about the walkaway revenue. Obviously, that's impacted orders, you know, first before it impacts revenue. So we've seen just a lower backlog associated with some of those actions, you know, as we progress through the back half of the last year. So I think we're in good shape to start the year. You know, we've talked about healthy commercial funnels for both MCS and WSS, our largest backlog businesses. You know, what we have line of sight to relative to commercial funnel, I think reasonable confidence in line of sight to the improved progression as we go through the year.
Speaker #1: That probably put us at a lower backlog position. And then we talked about the walkaway revenue. Obviously, that's impacted orders—first, before it impacts revenue.
Speaker #1: So we've seen just a lower backlog associated with some of those actions. As we progress through the back half of the last year. So I think we're in good shape to start the year.
Speaker #1: We've talked about healthy commercial funnels for both MCS and WSS, our largest backlog businesses. What we have line of sight to relative to commercial funnel I think reasonable confidence in line of sight to improved progression as we go through the year.
Mike Halloran: And then maybe some thoughts on China. You know, I know you've done a lot of work already because of the environment, but what are the steps you're taking from here, given the softness? And how do you see that shaking out over the next couple of years in terms of the commitment to the market, ability to manage that market, given the local headwinds, both, you know, buy local as well as softer end markets, and kind of what changes are you making?
Speaker #4: And then maybe some thoughts on China. I know you've done a lot of work already because of the environment. But what are the steps you're taking from here given the softness, and how do you see that shaking out over the next couple of years in terms of the commitment to the market and ability to manage that market, given the local headwinds—both buy local, as well as soft or end markets?
Mike Halloran: And then maybe some thoughts on China. You know, I know you've done a lot of work already because of the environment, but what are the steps you're taking from here, given the softness? And how do you see that shaking out over the next couple of years in terms of the commitment to the market, ability to manage that market, given the local headwinds, both, you know, buy local as well as softer end markets, and kind of what changes are you making?
Speaker #4: And kind of what changes are you making?
Speaker #1: Yeah. So I think consistent with the commentary we provided for the last couple of quarters, China remains a challenging market for us both on the orders and revenue side.
Bill Grogan: Yeah. No, so I think consistent with the commentary provided for the last couple of quarters, China remains a challenging market for us, both on the orders and revenue side. You know, and it accelerated that decline as we progressed through the back half. You know, Q4 orders were down almost 70%, you know, sales declined almost 30%. Part of that's just the reflecting of the economic headwinds impacting utility and commercial building and industrial end markets, and primarily impacting us within Water Infrastructure and Applied Water. Right, local competition continues to drive intense price competition due to the capacity that they've built. But our teams are applying an 80/20 lens to focus on higher quality, more profitable opportunities, which is creating some of the top line pressure, right?
Bill Grogan: Yeah. No, so I think consistent with the commentary provided for the last couple of quarters, China remains a challenging market for us, both on the orders and revenue side. You know, and it accelerated that decline as we progressed through the back half. You know, Q4 orders were down almost 70%, you know, sales declined almost 30%. Part of that's just the reflecting of the economic headwinds impacting utility and commercial building and industrial end markets, and primarily impacting us within Water Infrastructure and Applied Water. Right, local competition continues to drive intense price competition due to the capacity that they've built. But our teams are applying an 80/20 lens to focus on higher quality, more profitable opportunities, which is creating some of the top line pressure, right?
Speaker #1: It did accelerate that decline as we progressed through the back half. Q4 orders were down almost 70 percent. Sales declined almost 30 percent. Part of that's just the reflecting of the economic headwinds impacting utility and commercial building and industrial end markets.
Speaker #1: And primarily impacting us within Water Infrastructure and Applied Water, right? Local competition continues to drive intense price competition due to the capacity that they've built.
Speaker #1: But our teams are applying an 80/20 lens to focus on higher quality more profitable opportunities. Which is I mean, we're calling that within the creating some of the top line pressure, right?
Bill Grogan: I mean, we're, we're calling that within the China bucket, but you could probably put a little bit of that in the walkaway, just as we're deliberately exiting some of that low margin, negative margin business within China. As we talked about last quarter, you know, China restructured its operations. You know, we reduced our headcount by over 40%, just to better align with that volume contraction. But, right, we're looking to reallocate the resources that are on the ground, just around targeted opportunities, where we think we have a technological advantage, and we could provide some differentiation in certain applications where we can win and deliver stronger margin performance because of that differentiation.
Bill Grogan: I mean, we're, we're calling that within the China bucket, but you could probably put a little bit of that in the walkaway, just as we're deliberately exiting some of that low margin, negative margin business within China. As we talked about last quarter, you know, China restructured its operations. You know, we reduced our headcount by over 40%, just to better align with that volume contraction. But, right, we're looking to reallocate the resources that are on the ground, just around targeted opportunities, where we think we have a technological advantage, and we could provide some differentiation in certain applications where we can win and deliver stronger margin performance because of that differentiation.
Speaker #1: China bucket, but you could probably put a little bit of that into the walkaway just as we're deliberately exiting some of that low margin or negative margin business within China.
Speaker #1: As we talked about last quarter, China restructured its operations. We reduced our headcount by over 40 percent, just to better align with that volume contraction.
Speaker #1: But, right, we're looking to reallocate the resources that are on the ground just around targeted opportunities where we think we have a technological advantage, and we could provide some differentiation in certain applications where we can win and deliver stronger margin performance.
Speaker #1: Because of that differentiation. And ultimately, right, China is a very large economy. We don't think there's going to be a material improvement here over the next year or two.
Bill Grogan: Ultimately, right, China is a very large economy, you know, we don't think there's going to be a material improvement here over the next year or two, but longer term, it's a place that we think that Xylem will be able to grow, get back to growth at a much higher margin profile.
Bill Grogan: Ultimately, right, China is a very large economy, you know, we don't think there's going to be a material improvement here over the next year or two, but longer term, it's a place that we think that Xylem will be able to grow, get back to growth at a much higher margin profile.
Speaker #1: But longer term, it's a place that we think that Xylem will be able to grow, get back to growth at a much higher margin profile.
Speaker #5: Thanks. Appreciate
Mike Halloran: Thanks, appreciate it.
Mike Halloran: Thanks, appreciate it.
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: ... Our next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: ... Our next question comes from Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #6: Good morning,
Andy Kaplowitz: Good morning, everyone.
Andy Kaplowitz: Good morning, everyone.
Speaker #6: everyone. Hey, good morning,
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Andy.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Andy.
Speaker #6: I'm out of Bill Hill. Just Andy. maybe a little more color on what's going on in smart meters. You did have solid orders, but Bill, you mentioned orders were still below what you expected.
Andy Kaplowitz: Matt or Bill, so just maybe a little more color on what's going on in smart meters. You did have solid orders, but Bill, you mentioned orders were still below what you expected, and I think peers have had even a harder time than you in water smart meters. So what are you seeing in the market between water and energy? Is your mid-single digit revenue growth forecast for 2026 contingent on converting some of these delayed projects to backlog in the first half? And does availability of memory chi- memory chips impact the outlook at all?
Andy Kaplowitz: Matt or Bill, so just maybe a little more color on what's going on in smart meters. You did have solid orders, but Bill, you mentioned orders were still below what you expected, and I think peers have had even a harder time than you in water smart meters. So what are you seeing in the market between water and energy? Is your mid-single digit revenue growth forecast for 2026 contingent on converting some of these delayed projects to backlog in the first half? And does availability of memory chi- memory chips impact the outlook at all?
Speaker #6: And I think peers have had even a harder time than you in water smart meters. So what are you seeing in the market between water and energy?
Speaker #6: Is your mid-single digit revenue growth forecast for '26 contingent on converting some of these delayed projects to backlog in the first half? And does availability of memory chips impact the outlook at
Speaker #6: all? Yeah.
Speaker #1: Maybe I'll just maybe start at a high level, Andy. Then I'll let Bill get into a little bit of color. But I just want to tell everyone on the call, we remain very confident in MCS to achieve high single digits long term.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, maybe I'll just maybe start at a high level, Andy, then I'll let Bill get into a little bit of color. But, you know, I just want to, you know, tell everyone on the call, we remain very confident in MCS to achieve high single digits long term, you know, as a, as a segment. The near-term outlook really reflects project timing and some of the backlog normalization coming out of COVID and walkaway revenue. So it's not a change so much in underlying demand. The biggest area of walkaway in this segment is in analytics. It's one of the last divisions to go into the 80/20 tool, and they're in the process of shedding, you know, organic business right now.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, maybe I'll just maybe start at a high level, Andy, then I'll let Bill get into a little bit of color. But, you know, I just want to, you know, tell everyone on the call, we remain very confident in MCS to achieve high single digits long term, you know, as a, as a segment. The near-term outlook really reflects project timing and some of the backlog normalization coming out of COVID and walkaway revenue. So it's not a change so much in underlying demand. The biggest area of walkaway in this segment is in analytics. It's one of the last divisions to go into the 80/20 tool, and they're in the process of shedding, you know, organic business right now.
Speaker #1: As a segment, the near-term outlook really reflects project timing and some of the backlog normalization coming out of COVID, and walkaway revenue. So, it's not a change so much in underlying demand.
Speaker #1: The biggest area of walkaway in the segment is in analytics. It's one of the last divisions to go into the 80/20 tool. And they're in the process of shedding organic business right now.
Speaker #1: Although we do have a little bit of walkaway in smart metering as well in 2026. And we've exited mechanical meters. And we've made a decision to be a bit more selective when we do the meter installation.
Matthew Pine: Although we do have a little bit of walk away in smart metering as well in 2026, and we've exited mechanical meters, and we've made a decision to be a bit more selective when we do the meter installation. A lot of times that comes at low margin or no margin pass-through and is a drag on earnings and margins. So, you know, we've been a bit, you know, forward leaning into that. You know, bidding remains strong and customers are still, you know, ordering and our win rate's higher than it has been in the past. So I think in general, things are healthy.
Matthew Pine: Although we do have a little bit of walk away in smart metering as well in 2026, and we've exited mechanical meters, and we've made a decision to be a bit more selective when we do the meter installation. A lot of times that comes at low margin or no margin pass-through and is a drag on earnings and margins. So, you know, we've been a bit, you know, forward leaning into that. You know, bidding remains strong and customers are still, you know, ordering and our win rate's higher than it has been in the past. So I think in general, things are healthy.
Speaker #1: A lot of times, that comes at low margin or no-margin pass-through and is a drag on earnings and margins. So we've been a bit forward-leaning into that.
Speaker #1: Bidding remains strong and customers are still ordering and our win rates higher than it has been in the past. So I think in general, things are healthy.
Speaker #1: But maybe one other comment I would make is, again, going back to this post-COVID, the backlog helped to smooth. And some of the unevenness that we typically get in this segment.
Matthew Pine: But you know, maybe one other comment I would make is, again, going back to this post-COVID, the backlog helped to smooth and some of the unevenness that we typically get in this segment and that it can have. So I think, you know, we do expect a bit more variability in quarter to quarter going forward. So, you know, maybe, Bill, maybe one other point I would make is, you know, I would highlight the Xylem, the Xylem Vue business, which doubled in 2025. We're expecting that digital business to grow 30 plus in 2026. So as we exit this year, that'll continue momentum and help drive the top line of this segment as well.
Matthew Pine: But you know, maybe one other comment I would make is, again, going back to this post-COVID, the backlog helped to smooth and some of the unevenness that we typically get in this segment and that it can have. So I think, you know, we do expect a bit more variability in quarter to quarter going forward. So, you know, maybe, Bill, maybe one other point I would make is, you know, I would highlight the Xylem, the Xylem Vue business, which doubled in 2025. We're expecting that digital business to grow 30 plus in 2026. So as we exit this year, that'll continue momentum and help drive the top line of this segment as well.
Speaker #1: And that can have. So I do think we do expect a bit more variability in quarter-to-quarter going forward. So maybe one other point I would make is I would highlight that Xylem, the Xylem View business, which doubled in 2025, we're expecting that digital business growth 30 plus in 2026.
Speaker #1: So, as we exit this year, that'll continue momentum and help drive the top line of this segment as well.
Speaker #5: Yeah. And then Andy, I think your question on the memory piece—we don't see that as a material impact, either from an availability standpoint or a significant increase in inflation for us to have to pass on to customers.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and Andy, I think your question on the memory piece, we don't see that as a material impact, either from an availability or significant increase in inflation for us to have to pass on to customers.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and Andy, I think your question on the memory piece, we don't see that as a material impact, either from an availability or significant increase in inflation for us to have to pass on to customers.
Speaker #6: Helpful, guys. And then Bill, maybe a follow-up for you. Your guide to 70 to 110 basis points of margin improvement in '26. As you know, it basically takes you past your 23 percent in change adjusted EBITDA margin goal for '27.
Andy Kaplowitz: Helpful, guys. Then, Bill, maybe a follow-up for you. You're guiding to 70 to 110 basis points of margin improvement in 2026. As you know, it basically takes you past your 23% and change adjusted EBITDA margin goal for 2027 in 2026. So, where do you go from here? Are you going to have an investor day? Maybe you just set new targets, and maybe the entitlement of the business, you know, from when you started here, is it mid-twenties or higher? How do you think about that?
Andy Kaplowitz: Helpful, guys. Then, Bill, maybe a follow-up for you. You're guiding to 70 to 110 basis points of margin improvement in 2026. As you know, it basically takes you past your 23% and change adjusted EBITDA margin goal for 2027 in 2026. So, where do you go from here? Are you going to have an investor day? Maybe you just set new targets, and maybe the entitlement of the business, you know, from when you started here, is it mid-twenties or higher? How do you think about that?
Speaker #6: In '26. So where do you go from here? Are you going to have an investor day? Maybe you just set new targets? And maybe the entitlement of the business from when you started here?
Speaker #6: Is it mid-20s or higher? How do you think about that?
Speaker #1: Yeah, I'll take it, Andy. I think from my perspective, we're already outlining an Investor Day for 2027. We'll update strategy and targets at that point.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, I'll take it, Andy. I think from my perspective, you know, we're already outlining an investor day for 2027. We'll update strategy and targets at that point. It's probably sometime in the spring of next year. You know, we have some work ahead of us to deliver this year, and we don't want to get too far out over our skis. But, you know, as a reminder, we laid out, you know, the LR, the long-range plan at our last investor day in May 2024, that we, to your point, that we would move from 20%, which was the forecast of 2024 margins, to 23% by the end of 2027. So we're guiding, you know, this year, just over 23% at the midpoint.
Matthew Pine: Yeah, I'll take it, Andy. I think from my perspective, you know, we're already outlining an investor day for 2027. We'll update strategy and targets at that point. It's probably sometime in the spring of next year. You know, we have some work ahead of us to deliver this year, and we don't want to get too far out over our skis. But, you know, as a reminder, we laid out, you know, the LR, the long-range plan at our last investor day in May 2024, that we, to your point, that we would move from 20%, which was the forecast of 2024 margins, to 23% by the end of 2027. So we're guiding, you know, this year, just over 23% at the midpoint.
Speaker #1: It's probably sometime in the spring of next year. We have some work ahead of us to deliver this year, and we don't want to get too far out over our skis.
Speaker #1: But as a reminder, we laid out the long-range plan at our last investor day in May of '24 that we to your point, that we would move from 20 percent, which was the forecast of 2024 margins to 23 by the end of '27.
Speaker #1: So we're guiding this year just over 23 percent at the midpoint. So we're tracking ahead, and there's likely upside to our long-term targets as we exit '27.
Matthew Pine: So we're tracking ahead, and there's likely upside to our long-term targets as we exit 2027. You know, we've made a lot of great progress, and, you know, I'll give the team a tremendous amount of credit. As I said, with Dean's question at the beginning, a lot of change, and we've been able to execute. So I think, you know, Andy, about just over a year from now, we'll be in a better position to update the framework and talk about margins.
Matthew Pine: So we're tracking ahead, and there's likely upside to our long-term targets as we exit 2027. You know, we've made a lot of great progress, and, you know, I'll give the team a tremendous amount of credit. As I said, with Dean's question at the beginning, a lot of change, and we've been able to execute. So I think, you know, Andy, about just over a year from now, we'll be in a better position to update the framework and talk about margins.
Speaker #1: We've made a lot of great progress. And I'll give the team a tremendous amount of credit, as I said, with Dean's question in the beginning.
Speaker #1: A lot of change. And we've been able to execute. So I think, Andy, about just over a year from now, we'll be in a better position to update the framework and talk about margins.
Speaker #6: Appreciate that. Thank you.
Andy Kaplowitz: Appreciate that. Thank you.
Andy Kaplowitz: Appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Nathan Jones from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #7: Good morning, everyone.
Nathan Jones: Good morning, everyone.
Nathan Jones: Good morning, everyone.
Speaker #1: Hey, good morning,
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Nathan.
Matthew Pine: Hey, good morning, Nathan.
Speaker #1: Nathan. I'll start
Nathan Jones: I'll start with a follow-up on the MCS orders and the smart meter projects that have pushed out. Maybe a little bit more color on what the cause of those pushing out are, if you have any insights there, degree of confidence that those things kind of come through in the first half in order to support the outlook for improved growth in the second half?
Nathan Jones: I'll start with a follow-up on the MCS orders and the smart meter projects that have pushed out. Maybe a little bit more color on what the cause of those pushing out are, if you have any insights there, degree of confidence that those things kind of come through in the first half in order to support the outlook for improved growth in the second half?
Speaker #7: with a follow-up on the MCS orders. And the smart meter projects that have pushed out. Maybe a little bit more color on what the cause of those pushing out are, if you have any insights there.
Speaker #7: Degree of confidence that those things kind of come through in the first half in order to support the outlook for improved growth in the second half.
Speaker #1: Yeah. And I think there's several projects. And all of them have a little bit different reasons for pushing out. There's not a common thread around it.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and I think there's several projects, and all of them have a little bit different reasons for pushing out. There's not a common thread around it. Some of them are just relative to where they're at with several other projects going on, so want to push out a couple months. Some of them have reshaped the scope of the project relative to just increased inflation they've seen from tariffs and other inflation creeping up over time. So it's, it's you know, for us, it's a handful of things that we're intimately involved with the customers.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and I think there's several projects, and all of them have a little bit different reasons for pushing out. There's not a common thread around it. Some of them are just relative to where they're at with several other projects going on, so want to push out a couple months. Some of them have reshaped the scope of the project relative to just increased inflation they've seen from tariffs and other inflation creeping up over time. So it's, it's you know, for us, it's a handful of things that we're intimately involved with the customers.
Speaker #1: Some of them are just relative to where they're at with several other projects going on. So they want to push out a couple of months.
Speaker #1: Some of them have reshaped the scope of the project relative to just increased inflation they've seen from tariffs and other inflation creeping up over time.
Speaker #1: So it's for us, it's a handful of things that we're intimately involved with the customers. We understand kind of their project plans and some of the hesitancy and we're working with them to shape an implementation that works with them economically and then still has an ability for us to drive kind of incremental revenue this year.
Bill Grogan: We understand, kind of their project plans and some of the hesitancy, and we're working with them to shape an implementation that works with them economically and then still, you know, has an ability for us to drive kind of incremental revenue this year. So I think we have reasonable visibility. You know, again, this isn't 50 different projects. It's, you know, kind of 5 to 10 that we're working with the end customer, that we have confidence in, based upon our guide and our revenue progression for MCS through the year, that we'll be able to deliver on.
Bill Grogan: We understand, kind of their project plans and some of the hesitancy, and we're working with them to shape an implementation that works with them economically and then still, you know, has an ability for us to drive kind of incremental revenue this year. So I think we have reasonable visibility. You know, again, this isn't 50 different projects. It's, you know, kind of 5 to 10 that we're working with the end customer, that we have confidence in, based upon our guide and our revenue progression for MCS through the year, that we'll be able to deliver on.
Speaker #1: So I think we have reasonable visibility again, this isn't 50 different projects. It's kind of 5 to 10 that we're working with the end customer that we have confidence in based upon our guide and our revenue progression for MCS through the year.
Speaker #1: that we'll be able to deliver
Speaker #1: on. Okay.
William Griffin: ... Okay, thanks for that. I guess, next question on divestitures. You guys have talked about, you know, up to 10% of revenue being, you know, a potential candidate for divestiture. Anything we should, you know, expect action on that in 2026? And if you could provide the EPS impact from the divestiture of, the international automated business, that would be helpful as well. Thanks.
Nathan Jones: ... Okay, thanks for that. I guess, next question on divestitures. You guys have talked about, you know, up to 10% of revenue being, you know, a potential candidate for divestiture. Anything we should, you know, expect action on that in 2026? And if you could provide the EPS impact from the divestiture of, the international automated business, that would be helpful as well. Thanks.
Speaker #7: Thanks for that. I guess next question on divestitures. You guys have talked about up to 10 percent of revenue being a potential candidate for divestiture.
Speaker #7: Anything we should expect action on that in 2026? And if you could provide the EPS impact from the divestiture of the international water meter business, that would be helpful as well.
Speaker #7: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Yep. Yeah. I think we talked about, Nate, we were evaluating about 10% of the portfolio. Last year, we exited a business in the first quarter that was about 1%.
Bill Grogan: Yep. Yeah, I think we talked about, Nate, we were evaluating about 10% of the portfolio. You know, last year, we exited a business in Q1 that was about 1%. You know, international metrology is about another 1%. There's probably 2 or 3 assets that, you know, maybe another couple percent. So I don't think we're gonna hit the 10% number, you know, that we were looking at. But obviously, portfolio evaluation, you know, something that we do on a recurring basis, you know, as businesses shift strategy or they wanna double down in certain parts of the business, maybe an area becomes less important. So, I think it's an ongoing activity with, I don't think anything significant outside of international metrology for this year.
Bill Grogan: Yep. Yeah, I think we talked about, Nate, we were evaluating about 10% of the portfolio. You know, last year, we exited a business in Q1 that was about 1%. You know, international metrology is about another 1%. There's probably 2 or 3 assets that, you know, maybe another couple percent. So I don't think we're gonna hit the 10% number, you know, that we were looking at. But obviously, portfolio evaluation, you know, something that we do on a recurring basis, you know, as businesses shift strategy or they wanna double down in certain parts of the business, maybe an area becomes less important. So, I think it's an ongoing activity with, I don't think anything significant outside of international metrology for this year.
Speaker #1: International metrology is about another percent. There are probably two or three assets that make up another couple of percent. So I don't think we're going to hit the 10 percent number that we were looking at.
Speaker #1: But obviously, portfolio evaluation is something that we do on a recurring basis. As businesses shift strategy, or they want to double down in certain parts of the business, maybe an area becomes less important.
Speaker #1: So I think it's an ongoing activity with I don't think anything significant outside of international metrology for this year and then the EPS impact for international metrology is fairly small for the year.
Bill Grogan: And then the EPS impact for international metrology is fairly small, for the year. We talked about, you know, it's a $250 million business at less than 10% EBITDA margin. We'll close it at the end of Q3, or excuse me, at the end of Q1, so you kind of get three quarters. So it's, you know, 2-3 pennies.
Bill Grogan: And then the EPS impact for international metrology is fairly small, for the year. We talked about, you know, it's a $250 million business at less than 10% EBITDA margin. We'll close it at the end of Q3, or excuse me, at the end of Q1, so you kind of get three quarters. So it's, you know, 2-3 pennies.
Speaker #1: We talked about it's a $250 million business at less than 10 percent EBITDA margin. We'll close it at the end of the third quarter, or—excuse me—at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker #1: So you kind of got three quarters. So it's two, three pennies.
Speaker #7: Thanks for taking the questions.
William Griffin: Thanks for that. Taking the questions.
Nathan Jones: Thanks for that. Taking the questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Bill Grogan: Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Joseph Giordano from TD
Operator: Our next question comes from Joseph Giordano from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from Joseph Giordano from TD Cowen. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #2: question. Good morning, guys.
Joe Giordano: Good morning, guys. This is Michael on for Joe.
Michael Anastasiou: Good morning, guys. This is Michael on for Joe.
Speaker #8: This is Michael Long for Joe. So
Speaker #1: Hey, Michael.
Bill Grogan: Hey, Michael.
Matthew Pine: Hey, Michael.
Joe Giordano: So yeah, on the last call, you mentioned there was a path to higher margins for the energy meter side, on M&CS. And, you know, since it's, you know, mixed negative versus water meters, can you just unpack that glide path higher and, you know, what's the status of the transformation? Thank you.
Michael Anastasiou: So yeah, on the last call, you mentioned there was a path to higher margins for the energy meter side, on M&CS. And, you know, since it's, you know, mixed negative versus water meters, can you just unpack that glide path higher and, you know, what's the status of the transformation? Thank you.
Speaker #8: yeah, my last call, you mentioned there was a path to higher margins for the energy meter side. And MCNS and since it's mixed negative versus water meters, can you just unpack that glide path higher and what's the status of the transformation?
Speaker #8: Thank
Speaker #8: you.
Speaker #1: And your question
Bill Grogan: And your question specifically around just the improvement on the energy meter margin?
Bill Grogan: And your question specifically around just the improvement on the energy meter margin?
Speaker #1: specifically was around just the improvement on the energy meter
Speaker #1: margin? Yeah.
Joe Giordano: Yeah, I believe on the last call, you mentioned there was a path higher for energy meters on the margin side. So would just love to better understand where we are in that cycle. Thank you.
Michael Anastasiou: Yeah, I believe on the last call, you mentioned there was a path higher for energy meters on the margin side. So would just love to better understand where we are in that cycle. Thank you.
Speaker #8: I believe my last call, you mentioned there was a path higher for energy meters on the margin side. So we'd just love to better understand where we are in that cycle.
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Oh, yeah. I think there's a couple of things. One, there's some structural changes on the energy side from an engineering and a technology perspective that are going to level up.
Bill Grogan: Oh, yeah. I think there's a couple things. One, there's some structural changes on the energy side from an engineering and a technology perspective that are gonna level up, you know, value add, value engineering projects that will lift the margin profile. And we did highlight there's a couple projects that are legacy within energy that they're working through their backlog that, you know, put pressure on margins in 2025. That'll continue into the first half, Q1, Q2, Q3 of 2026. So you'll see a margin progression with MCS, you know, down slightly overall, in Q1, and then sequentially build.
Bill Grogan: Oh, yeah. I think there's a couple things. One, there's some structural changes on the energy side from an engineering and a technology perspective that are gonna level up, you know, value add, value engineering projects that will lift the margin profile. And we did highlight there's a couple projects that are legacy within energy that they're working through their backlog that, you know, put pressure on margins in 2025. That'll continue into the first half, Q1, Q2, Q3 of 2026. So you'll see a margin progression with MCS, you know, down slightly overall, in Q1, and then sequentially build.
Speaker #1: Value add, value engineering projects that will lift the margin profile. And we did highlight there's a couple of projects that are legacy within energy that they're working through their backlog that put pressure on margins in 2025.
Speaker #1: That'll continue in the first half or first three quarters of 2026. So you'll see a margin progression, with MCS down slightly overall in the first quarter.
Speaker #1: And then sequentially build. It's a pretty robust margin as it exits the fourth quarter with water balance. The water meter balance being back to more legacy rates.
Bill Grogan: It's a pretty robust margin as it exits Q4 with water balance, the water meter balance being back to more legacy rates, and then some of the progress on the energy margin improvement taking hold.
Bill Grogan: It's a pretty robust margin as it exits Q4 with water balance, the water meter balance being back to more legacy rates, and then some of the progress on the energy margin improvement taking hold.
Speaker #1: And then some of the progress on the energy margin improvement is taking hold.
Speaker #8: Great. Thanks for that color. And then orders for the year ended pretty strongly. The organic guide kind of implies a ramp to the back half.
Joe Giordano: Great. Thanks for that color. And then, you know, orders for the year ended pretty strongly. You know, the organic guide kind of implies a ramp to the back half. Can you just unpack, you know, organic expectations? You kind of mentioned this a little bit in the beginning of the call, but by segment for Q1, just wanna understand it came in a little bit lighter than probably most were expecting.
Michael Anastasiou: Great. Thanks for that color. And then, you know, orders for the year ended pretty strongly. You know, the organic guide kind of implies a ramp to the back half. Can you just unpack, you know, organic expectations? You kind of mentioned this a little bit in the beginning of the call, but by segment for Q1, just wanna understand it came in a little bit lighter than probably most were expecting.
Speaker #8: Can you just unpack organic expectations? I believe you kind of mentioned this a little bit in the beginning of the call. But by segment for Q1, just want to understand—it came in a little bit lighter than probably most were expecting.
Bill Grogan: Yep.
Bill Grogan: Yep.
Joe Giordano: Would appreciate the call. Thank you.
Speaker #8: I would appreciate the color. Thank
Michael Anastasiou: Would appreciate the call. Thank you.
Speaker #8: you.
Speaker #1: Yeah, I think the biggest variable is probably MCS. They'll be down kind of a point or two in the first quarter relative to, probably, the external expectations.
Bill Grogan: Yeah. I think the biggest variable is probably MCS. They'll be down kind of a point or two in Q1 relative to probably the external expectations. WSS, we talked about just the lumpiness of that business. They'll be kind of flattish, with Water Infrastructure and Applied Water a little bit below their full year guide, just with some of the first half pressure that they have from China.
Bill Grogan: Yeah. I think the biggest variable is probably MCS. They'll be down kind of a point or two in Q1 relative to probably the external expectations. WSS, we talked about just the lumpiness of that business. They'll be kind of flattish, with Water Infrastructure and Applied Water a little bit below their full year guide, just with some of the first half pressure that they have from China.
Speaker #1: WSS—we talked about just the lumpiness of that business. They'll be kind of flattish, with Water Infrastructure and Applied Water a little bit below their full-year guide.
Speaker #1: Just with some of the first-half pressure that they have from China.
Joe Giordano: Thanks, guys.
Michael Anastasiou: Thanks, guys.
Speaker #8: Thanks, guys.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Bill Grogan: Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Speaker #2: And our next question comes from William Grippin from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from William Griffin from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.
Operator: Our next question comes from William Griffin from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question.
Speaker #7: Good morning. Thanks very much. Just first one here. I did want to ask about the 4Q operating margin step down across applied water MCS and WSS.
William Griffin: Good morning. Thanks very much. Just the first one here, I did wanna ask about the Q4 operating margin step down across Applied Water, MCS, and WSS. Is there seasonality inherent in this business? And then maybe how should we think about that, I guess, in relation to, you know, the ongoing tailwinds of 80/20 execution?
William Griffin: Good morning. Thanks very much. Just the first one here, I did wanna ask about the Q4 operating margin step down across Applied Water, MCS, and WSS. Is there seasonality inherent in this business? And then maybe how should we think about that, I guess, in relation to, you know, the ongoing tailwinds of 80/20 execution?
Speaker #7: Is there seasonality inherent in this business? And then maybe how should we think about that, I guess, in relation to the ongoing tailwinds of '80, '20 execution?
Speaker #1: Yeah, and I would say really for WSS, it's more of a mix of business between quarters, so nothing structural there. Within Applied Water, obviously, Q4 was a bit of a blip relative to their performance that they experienced through the first half of the year.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and I would say really for WSS, it's more of a mix of business between quarters, so nothing structural there. Within Applied Water, obviously, Q4 was a bit of a blip relative to the performance that they experienced through the first half of the year, and really reflected just some negative project mix and a little bit of execution timing and some one-time items. Yeah, these are transitional factors, and we expect EBITDA margins to be back up in the 20% range in Q1, and then sequentially improve throughout the year with volume increases and their productivity initiatives ramping up. So, yeah, that - it's more of a short term than anything structural. Applied Water, I think, gets back to some pretty robust margin expansion in 2026.
Bill Grogan: Yeah, and I would say really for WSS, it's more of a mix of business between quarters, so nothing structural there. Within Applied Water, obviously, Q4 was a bit of a blip relative to the performance that they experienced through the first half of the year, and really reflected just some negative project mix and a little bit of execution timing and some one-time items. Yeah, these are transitional factors, and we expect EBITDA margins to be back up in the 20% range in Q1, and then sequentially improve throughout the year with volume increases and their productivity initiatives ramping up. So, yeah, that - it's more of a short term than anything structural. Applied Water, I think, gets back to some pretty robust margin expansion in 2026.
Speaker #1: It really reflected just some negative project mix and a little bit of execution timing and some one-time items. These are transitional factors. And we expect EBITDA margins to be back up in the 20 percent range.
Speaker #1: In the first quarter and then sequentially improve. Throughout the year with volume increases and their productivity initiatives. Ramping up. So yeah, it's more of a short-term than anything structural.
Speaker #1: Applied water, I Think it's back to some pretty robust margin expansion in 2026 .
Speaker #2: Got it. And then wanted to ask also about the recent report you folks published in partnership with GW on data for water centers.
William Griffin: Got it. And then wanted to ask also about the recent report you folks published in partnership with GWI on water demand management for data centers. I would just be curious to hear sort of your thoughts on what surprised you from that report, and perhaps where you think the biggest opportunities for Xylem are to accelerate its growth might come from?
William Griffin: Got it. And then wanted to ask also about the recent report you folks published in partnership with GWI on water demand management for data centers. I would just be curious to hear sort of your thoughts on what surprised you from that report, and perhaps where you think the biggest opportunities for Xylem are to accelerate its growth might come from?
Speaker #2: Management, you're here—I’m just curious to hear your thoughts on what surprised you from that end report, and where you think the biggest Xylem opportunities are to accelerate its growth might come from?
Matthew Pine: ... Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, when I was at Davos, you know, 2026 was deemed kind of the year of artificial intelligence. You know, there were a lot of talk of pilot projects now scaling into productivity solutions. And, you know, that's why a lot of the AI build-out is racing ahead. Actually, Gartner had a recent prediction that 2026 hyperscalers would invest over $2 trillion in new data centers. But, you know, I think one big thing from the report that was pointed out, that there's two big constraints to that $2 trillion of investment, and that's energy and water. Up until now, energy's gotten the majority of the attention, and I think water's starting to finally be brought up in the discussion.
Matthew Pine: ... Yeah, thanks for the question. You know, when I was at Davos, you know, 2026 was deemed kind of the year of artificial intelligence. You know, there were a lot of talk of pilot projects now scaling into productivity solutions. And, you know, that's why a lot of the AI build-out is racing ahead. Actually, Gartner had a recent prediction that 2026 hyperscalers would invest over $2 trillion in new data centers. But, you know, I think one big thing from the report that was pointed out, that there's two big constraints to that $2 trillion of investment, and that's energy and water. Up until now, energy's gotten the majority of the attention, and I think water's starting to finally be brought up in the discussion.
Speaker #3: Yeah , thanks for the question . You know , when I was at Davos , you know , 2026 was deemed kind of the artificial year of intelligence .
Speaker #3: You know , there were a lot of talk of of pilot projects now scaling into productivity solutions . And you know that's why a lot of the AI build out is racing ahead .
Speaker #3: Actually Gartner a recent prediction that 2026 hyperscalers would invest over 2 trillion in new data centers . But , you know , I think one big thing from the report that pointed out that there's two big constraints to that 2 trillion of investment , and energy and that's water .
Speaker #3: Up until now , energy's gotten the of the of the majority attention . And I think water is starting to finally be brought up in the discussion .
Matthew Pine: So, you know, the reason we commissioned the report is, we have a pretty good view of the whole water value chain, and we were trying to figure it out ourselves. What is the impact of this new economy and the broader AI ecosystem on the water sector? So, we couldn't really find any good data, so we partnered with Global Water Intelligence and commissioned the report, and we kicked it off at Davos. But maybe the first eye-opening stat I would point to is, the demand is soaring, and it's really not so much that this new economy is more water intensive to say, some of the first or second industrial revolutions around textiles or steel mills or pulp and paper. It's really more about where the data centers and chip fabs are located is the biggest issue.
Matthew Pine: So, you know, the reason we commissioned the report is, we have a pretty good view of the whole water value chain, and we were trying to figure it out ourselves. What is the impact of this new economy and the broader AI ecosystem on the water sector? So, we couldn't really find any good data, so we partnered with Global Water Intelligence and commissioned the report, and we kicked it off at Davos. But maybe the first eye-opening stat I would point to is, the demand is soaring, and it's really not so much that this new economy is more water intensive to say, some of the first or second industrial revolutions around textiles or steel mills or pulp and paper. It's really more about where the data centers and chip fabs are located is the biggest issue.
Speaker #3: So , you know , the reason we is we commissioned the report pretty good have a view of the whole water value chain .
Speaker #3: trying to out And we were figure it ourselves . What is the the broader AI economy in ecosystem on the water sector ? So we couldn't really find any good data .
Speaker #3: So we partnered with global water intelligence and commissioned the report , and we kicked it off at Davos . But maybe the first eye opening data would point to is the demand is and it's really not so that much that this new economy is more water intensive to say .
Speaker #3: Some of the first or second industrial revolutions around textiles or steel mills or pulp and paper . It's really more about where where the data centers and chip fabs are located .
Matthew Pine: But the AI ecosystem, which is data centers, it excludes mining, but data centers, power, and semiconductors, will need about 30 trillion liters of water each year by 2050. That's a 130% increase in water demand. And to kind of frame it for everybody on the call, that's 1 Lake Mead a year in the western part of the US, or it's 12 million Olympic swimming pools, so it's a significant amount of water. The interesting finding was the data centers, the actual direct use is not really the culprit. It's only 4% of the water that's needed. The other 96% is power and chip fabrication, which is predominantly actually power driven. But chip fab is set to grow by, you know, roughly 600%. So that was probably one of the biggest takeaways.
Matthew Pine: But the AI ecosystem, which is data centers, it excludes mining, but data centers, power, and semiconductors, will need about 30 trillion liters of water each year by 2050. That's a 130% increase in water demand. And to kind of frame it for everybody on the call, that's 1 Lake Mead a year in the western part of the US, or it's 12 million Olympic swimming pools, so it's a significant amount of water. The interesting finding was the data centers, the actual direct use is not really the culprit. It's only 4% of the water that's needed. The other 96% is power and chip fabrication, which is predominantly actually power driven. But chip fab is set to grow by, you know, roughly 600%. So that was probably one of the biggest takeaways.
Speaker #3: Is is the biggest issue . But the AI ecosystem , which is data centers . It excludes mining . But data centers , power and semiconductors will need about 30,000,000,000,000l of water each year by 2050 .
Speaker #3: That's 130% increase in water demand . And kind of frame it for . call the everybody on That's one Lake Mead , a year part of the western in the US .
Speaker #3: Or it's 12 million Olympic swimming pools . So it's a significant amount of water . The interesting finding was that data centers , the actual direct use , is not really the culprit .
Speaker #3: It's only 4% of the water needed . that's The 96% is power fabrication , which predominantly and chip actually power But driven . chip fab is set to by grow roughly 600% .
Speaker #3: So that was probably one of the biggest takeaways . I think the second , and I don't like to be Chicken Little , I want to the second point is we can solve the problem and we have the technology and solutions to to manage the demand today .
Matthew Pine: I think the second, and I, I don't like to be Chicken Little, I want to... The second point is, we can solve the problem, and we have the technology and solutions to manage the demand today, and quite frankly, offset the 30 trillion extra liters that we need, and that's largely through water reuse. And I talked about in my opening remarks, what we're doing in Los Angeles with reuse water there to help recharge their aquifers, and also leak mitigation. These are not hard things to do. I mean, they're hard to implement. They're not hard things to do, though. And, you know, over almost 30% of water that's generated today, fresh water, to send out to businesses, industry, and residences, what gets leaked into the ground.
Matthew Pine: I think the second, and I, I don't like to be Chicken Little, I want to... The second point is, we can solve the problem, and we have the technology and solutions to manage the demand today, and quite frankly, offset the 30 trillion extra liters that we need, and that's largely through water reuse. And I talked about in my opening remarks, what we're doing in Los Angeles with reuse water there to help recharge their aquifers, and also leak mitigation. These are not hard things to do. I mean, they're hard to implement. They're not hard things to do, though. And, you know, over almost 30% of water that's generated today, fresh water, to send out to businesses, industry, and residences, what gets leaked into the ground.
Speaker #3: And quite frankly , offset the 30 trillion extra leaders that we need . And largely that's through reuse . And water I talked about in my opening we're doing in remarks what Los Angeles with Reuse Water help there to chart recharge their aquifers .
Speaker #3: And also leak mitigation . These are not things to do . I hard mean , they're hard to implement . not hard things to do , though .
Speaker #3: And , you almost 30% of water that's generated today , fresh water to to send out businesses , industry and residences gets leaked into the ground .
Matthew Pine: And we have, you know, solutions to solve those problems, like the project we talked about in the last call with Amazon. But maybe one example I'll leave you with as I wrap this up is in Arizona. We were out there a few years ago. Intel and the city of Chandler have partnered together, so we need much more public-private partnerships. 90% of the reject water that they generate. So when you have to provide ultrapure water in chip fabrication, your reject water is very high to get to that purity. So all that reject water, Intel invested capital and OpEx to build a recycling plant that they handed over to the city to run and manage, and 96% of that water is being reused. So we need more of that at scale to solve the problem.
Matthew Pine: And we have, you know, solutions to solve those problems, like the project we talked about in the last call with Amazon. But maybe one example I'll leave you with as I wrap this up is in Arizona. We were out there a few years ago. Intel and the city of Chandler have partnered together, so we need much more public-private partnerships. 90% of the reject water that they generate. So when you have to provide ultrapure water in chip fabrication, your reject water is very high to get to that purity. So all that reject water, Intel invested capital and OpEx to build a recycling plant that they handed over to the city to run and manage, and 96% of that water is being reused. So we need more of that at scale to solve the problem.
Speaker #3: have , you And we solutions to solve problems , those like the project we talked about in call the last with with Amazon .
Speaker #3: But maybe one example , I'll leave you with is I wrap this up is in Arizona . We were out there a few years ago .
Speaker #3: Intel and the city of Chandler have partnered together, so we need much more public-private partnerships. Ninety percent of the reject water that they generate...
Speaker #3: So, when you have to provide ultrapure water in chip fabrication, your reject water is very high in order to get to that purity.
Speaker #3: So all that reject water Intel invested capital and opex to build a recycling plant that they to the city handed over to run and manage in .
Speaker #3: 96% of that water is being reused . we need more of that So at scale to solve the problem . So again , the solutions there is just about getting the stakeholders at the table early in the data center , planning , where we talk mostly about energy , we've got to talk about water .
Matthew Pine: So again, the solutions there is just about getting the stakeholders at the table early in the data center planning, where we talk mostly about energy. We've got to talk about water. So thanks for the question. And maybe I think the second part of your question I'll answer. For us, it really, inside the four walls of the data center, yes, we do some business, but it's really outside the four walls, and it's largely in our WSS segment, around mining, around power generation, and around chip fabrication, is where you're gonna see the growth within Xylem.
Matthew Pine: So again, the solutions there is just about getting the stakeholders at the table early in the data center planning, where we talk mostly about energy. We've got to talk about water. So thanks for the question. And maybe I think the second part of your question I'll answer. For us, it really, inside the four walls of the data center, yes, we do some business, but it's really outside the four walls, and it's largely in our WSS segment, around mining, around power generation, and around chip fabrication, is where you're gonna see the growth within Xylem.
Speaker #3: So thanks for the question . And maybe I think the second part of your question I'll answer for us . It really inside the four walls of the data center .
Speaker #3: Yes , we do some business , but it's really outside the four walls . And it's largely in our segment around mining , around power generation and around chip fabrication is where you're going to see the growth within Xylem .
William Griffin: Appreciate it. Thanks very much.
William Griffin: Appreciate it. Thanks very much.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Matthew Pine: Thank you.
Speaker #2: I appreciate it . Thanks very much .
Speaker #3: Thank you .
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Matthew Pine for any closing remarks.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, with that, we'll be concluding today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the floor back over to Matthew Pine for any closing remarks.
Speaker #4: And ladies and gentlemen , with that , we'll be concluding today's question and answer session . I'd like to turn the floor back over to Matthew Pine for any closing remarks .
Matthew Pine: Thanks for your questions. We'll wrap it up there. And, thank everyone who joined today. And as always, we appreciate your interest in Xylem. All the very best.
Matthew Pine: Thanks for your questions. We'll wrap it up there. And, thank everyone who joined today. And as always, we appreciate your interest in Xylem. All the very best.
Speaker #3: Thanks for your there wrap it questions . and We'll up thank who joined today . And as always , we appreciate your interest in Xylem .
Speaker #3: All the very best .
Operator: With that, we'll conclude today's conference call. We thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.
Operator: With that, we'll conclude today's conference call. We thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines.
Speaker #4: And with that , we'll conclude today's conference call . We thank you for attending today's presentation . You may now disconnect your lines .