Full Year 2025 adidas AG Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the adidas AG full year 2025 conference call and live webcast. I am Moira DiCarosco operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be listen only mode and the conference has been recorded.
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Speaker #1: For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sébastien Stessen, senior vice president investor relations, corporate communications, and corporate strategy.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Yeah, we just realized it's a long title. Thanks very much, Maura. Good evening, good afternoon, good morning, everyone, wherever you're joining us today. And welcome to our full year 2025 conference call.
Sebastian Steffen: Yeah, we just realized it's a long title. Thanks very much, Moira. Good evening, good afternoon, good morning, everyone, wherever you're joining us today, and welcome to our Full Year 2025 Conference Call. Our presenters today are our CEO, Bjørn Gulden, and our CFO, Harm Ohlmeyer. I know that there's a lot to talk about today, we will kick it off in a second with Bjørn and Harm, who will provide the details for 2025. They will be sharing with you our operational and financial highlights for last year, present our outlook for 2026, and of course, also talk about our outlook for 2027 and 2028. For the following Q&A session, I would like to ask you to please limit your initial questions to two, to allow as many people as possible to ask their questions. Thanks very much.
Sebastian Steffen: Yeah, we just realized it's a long title. Thanks very much, Moira. Good evening, good afternoon, good morning, everyone, wherever you're joining us today, and welcome to our Full Year 2025 Conference Call. Our presenters today are our CEO, Bjørn Gulden, and our CFO, Harm Ohlmeyer. I know that there's a lot to talk about today, we will kick it off in a second with Bjørn and Harm, who will provide the details for 2025. They will be sharing with you our operational and financial highlights for last year, present our outlook for 2026, and of course, also talk about our outlook for 2027 and 2028. For the following Q&A session, I would like to ask you to please limit your initial questions to two, to allow as many people as possible to ask their questions. Thanks very much.
Speaker #2: Our presenters today are our CEO, Bjorn Golden, and our CFO, Harm Olmayer. I know that there's a lot to talk about today, and we will kick it off in a second with Bjorn and Harm, who will provide the details for 2025.
Speaker #2: They will be sharing with you our operational and financial highlights for last year, present our outlook for 2026, and of course, also talk about our outlook for 2027 and 2028.
Speaker #2: For the following Q&A session, I would like to ask you to please limit your initial questions to two, to allow as many people as possible to ask their questions.
Speaker #2: Thanks very much. And now, before I hand over to Bjorn, we will, of course, kick it off with a video.
Sebastian Steffen: Now before I hand over to Bjørn, we will of course kick it off with a video.
Sebastian Steffen: Now before I hand over to Bjørn, we will of course kick it off with a video.
[Company Representative] (adidas): You said you were gonna be a star. Think faster, be smart, adapt quickly.
[Video Narrator]: You said you were gonna be a star. Think faster, be smart, adapt quickly. In 2025, we pushed ourselves even further to be the best sports brand in the world. Don't believe me? Fine. Continually innovating. We're building on 50-plus years of adidas knowledge. For sport. Adizero Dropset Elite, our first truly hybrid racing shoe. Style. She looks good. She feels comfortable. Strong, sexy, and comfort. The hype with this shoe is off the charts. It's the Hyperboost Edge. I need this shoe.
Speaker #3: You said you're going to be sorry.
Speaker #4: Think faster. Be smart. Adapt quickly.
Operator: In 2025, we pushed ourselves even further to be the best sports brand in the world.
Speaker #5: In 2025, we pushed ourselves. Even further. To be the best sports brand. In the world.
Speaker #6: Don't believe me? Fine.
[Company Representative] (adidas): Don't believe me? Fine.
Operator: Continually innovating.
Speaker #5: Continually innovating.
[Company Representative] (adidas): We're building on 50-plus years of adidas knowledge.
Speaker #4: We're building on 50-plus years of adidas knowledge.
Operator: For sport.
Speaker #5: For sport.
Speaker #7: Adizero dropped set Elite. Our first truly hybrid racing shoe.
[Company Representative] (adidas): Adizero Dropset Elite, our first truly hybrid racing shoe.
Operator: Style.
Speaker #5: Style.
[Company Representative] (adidas): She looks good. She feels comfortable.
Speaker #8: She looks good. She feels comfortable.
Operator: Strong, sexy, and comfort.
Speaker #5: Strong, sexy, and comfort.
Speaker #7: The hype with this shoe is off the charts.
[Company Representative] (adidas): The hype with this shoe is off the charts. It's the Hyperboost Edge. I need this shoe.
Speaker #9: Be hyperboost edge.
Speaker #10: I need this shoe.
Operator: From the pitch...
[Video Narrator]: From the pitch... The winner of the 2025 Heisman Trophy is Bryce Young of Alabama. To the streets. They are perfect. New house dark lab with adidas. We are sport. We are culture. This is the best feeling in the world. We are everything in between. Meeting consumers' needs locally. We are. Seeing results globally. Where are my superstars? Creating the best for the best. We are going to need more. They have tremendous talent on the adidas roster. Celebrating sports. Another superstar crosses the line. The three stripes everywhere. Believe that.
Speaker #5: From the pitch, the winner of the 2025 Iceman Trophy is.
[Company Representative] (adidas): The winner of the 2025 Heisman Trophy is Bryce Young of Alabama.
Speaker #11: Right hand open.
Speaker #5: To the streets.
Operator: To the streets.
[Company Representative] (adidas): They are perfect. New house dark lab with adidas.
Speaker #12: They are two Hellstarts Lab with adidas.
Operator: We are sport. We are culture.
Speaker #5: We are sport. We are culture.
[Company Representative] (adidas): This is the best feeling in the world.
Speaker #13: We see the best figure in the world.
Operator: We are everything in between.
Speaker #5: We are everything. In between. Meeting consumers' needs locally and seeing results globally.
[Company Representative] (adidas): Meeting consumers' needs locally. We are. Seeing results globally. Where are my superstars? Creating the best for the best. We are going to need more. They have tremendous talent on the adidas roster. Celebrating sports. Another superstar crosses the line. The three stripes everywhere. Believe that.
Speaker #14: Where are my superstars?
Speaker #5: Creating the best for the best.
Speaker #15: We are going to need more.
Speaker #16: We have tremendous talent on the adidas roster.
Speaker #5: Celebrating sports and other superstar projects alike. And the three stripes everywhere.
Speaker #17: Believe that.
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah. Hello also from my side. I'm sure you have spent some time looking at our numbers already. I think in the interest of all of us, I'll take you through the story that I think we have achieved in 25. We will talk 26 and even a little bit further as we go ahead. As a sports romantic, I have to remind you again that in a very complicated world, with many negative things, there are also great sports events. I do think that the Winter Olympics in Italy was one of them. We felt that our athletes and our teams did very well. Don't forget that I'm a Norwegian, so I have to remind you all the time who's on the top.
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah. Hello also from my side. I'm sure you have spent some time looking at our numbers already. I think in the interest of all of us, I'll take you through the story that I think we have achieved in 25. We will talk 26 and even a little bit further as we go ahead. As a sports romantic, I have to remind you again that in a very complicated world, with many negative things, there are also great sports events. I do think that the Winter Olympics in Italy was one of them. We felt that our athletes and our teams did very well. Don't forget that I'm a Norwegian, so I have to remind you all the time who's on the top.
Speaker #18: Yeah, hello also from my side. I'm sure you have spent some time looking at our numbers already. but I think in the interest of all of us, I'll take you through, the story, that I think we have achieved, in '25.
Speaker #18: And then we will talk, '26 and even a little bit further, as we go ahead. as a sports romantic, I have to remind you again that in a very complicated world, with many negative things, there are also great sports events.
Speaker #18: And I do think that the Winter Olympics in Italy was one of them. and we felt well. and, don't forget, that I'm a Norwegian, so I have to remind you all the time.
Bjørn Gulden: Also tell you that I'm extremely proud of being Norwegian when it gets to sport. I also remind you that the Paralympics is starting in 2 days, which is also a very important sports event, and I hope all of you have a chance also to support that. When you then look into our plan, you remember that 25 is the 3rd year that we work together. We promised you that we would be a good company in 25. To be very honest with you, when I look back, I think actually 25 was a fantastic year for us. Not only in the numbers that we will get to, but more with what the brand achieved for visibility, performance, product, and actually showing that we are a good company.
Speaker #18: Who's on the top? and, also tell you that I'm extremely, proud of being Norwegian when it gets to sport. I also remind you that the Paralympics is starting in two days, which is also a very important sports event.
Bjørn Gulden: Also tell you that I'm extremely proud of being Norwegian when it gets to sport. I also remind you that the Paralympics is starting in 2 days, which is also a very important sports event, and I hope all of you have a chance also to support that. When you then look into our plan, you remember that 25 is the 3rd year that we work together. We promised you that we would be a good company in 25. To be very honest with you, when I look back, I think actually 25 was a fantastic year for us. Not only in the numbers that we will get to, but more with what the brand achieved for visibility, performance, product, and actually showing that we are a good company.
Speaker #18: And I hope all of you have a chance also to support that. When it then leaks into our plan, you remember that '25 is the third year that we work together.
Speaker #18: we promised you that we would be a good company in '25. And to be very honest, you, when I look back, I think actually '25 was a fantastic year for us.
Speaker #18: not only in the numbers that we will get to, but more with what the brand achieved from visibility, performance, product, and, and actually showing that we are, a good company.
Bjørn Gulden: I think this is what adidas has always been. When you look from the outside in, and you look what people are looking at, adidas has been and is a very, very good company to work for. I think you see that when we achieve a lot of prizes from the outside and not prizes that you can buy, but actually prizes where people look at you in competition with other companies. I can also say that at my age, looking at all the young people who wants to work for us, it's obvious that we currently are an attractive company to actually be associated with.
Bjørn Gulden: I think this is what adidas has always been. When you look from the outside in, and you look what people are looking at, adidas has been and is a very, very good company to work for. I think you see that when we achieve a lot of prizes from the outside and not prizes that you can buy, but actually prizes where people look at you in competition with other companies. I can also say that at my age, looking at all the young people who wants to work for us, it's obvious that we currently are an attractive company to actually be associated with.
Speaker #18: And I think this is what adidas has always been. When you look from the outside in, and you look what people are looking at, adidas has been and is a very, very good company to work for.
Speaker #18: and I think you see that when we achieve a lot of prices, from the outside and not prices that you can buy, but actually prices where people look at you in competition with other companies.
Speaker #18: And I can also say that at my age, looking at all the young people who want to work for us, it's obvious that we currently are an attractive company, to actually be associated with.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also important for us that although there is a focus on, of course, the numbers, and there is a focus on many things, we also wanna continue to be a good citizen. We look at that for what we do for the planet, environment, and also, of course, how we work on the human rights side. You've probably seen from the targets that we are achieving them, and we will continue to do things as a good citizen that will make the planet and the world a better place, because I do think that's still important in a, as I said, pretty complicated world. It's also important to look at that we actually have 64,000 employees that works for us directly.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also important for us that although there is a focus on, of course, the numbers, and there is a focus on many things, we also wanna continue to be a good citizen. We look at that for what we do for the planet, environment, and also, of course, how we work on the human rights side. You've probably seen from the targets that we are achieving them, and we will continue to do things as a good citizen that will make the planet and the world a better place, because I do think that's still important in a, as I said, pretty complicated world. It's also important to look at that we actually have 64,000 employees that works for us directly.
Speaker #18: And it is also important for us that although there is a focus on, of course, the numbers, and there is a focus on many things, we also want to be a continue to be a good citizen, and we look at that for what we do for the planet, the environment, and also, of course, how we work, on the human rights side and you probably seen from the targets, that we are achieving them.
Speaker #18: And we will continue, to do things. As a good citizen, that will make the planet, the world a better place, because I do think that's still important, in a, as I said, pretty complicated, world.
Speaker #18: It's also important to look at that we actually have 64,000 employees that work for us directly. and if you then take into account suppliers and everything, you talk about more than a million people.
Bjørn Gulden: If you then take into account suppliers and everything, you talk about more than 1 million people. Of course, we have a great responsibility as a company. When you know that we have 180 nationalities employed, then you also know the task. With different culture and different backgrounds, we have a huge responsibility. I'm also proud of knowing that we now have 52% of our workforce being female to 48% male. Not because it's a target, but actually it showcases the evolution of this business. Again, I think I can say that the female consumer is now more important than the male consumer. It's good to see that the company is also moving in that direction.
Bjørn Gulden: If you then take into account suppliers and everything, you talk about more than 1 million people. Of course, we have a great responsibility as a company. When you know that we have 180 nationalities employed, then you also know the task. With different culture and different backgrounds, we have a huge responsibility. I'm also proud of knowing that we now have 52% of our workforce being female to 48% male. Not because it's a target, but actually it showcases the evolution of this business. Again, I think I can say that the female consumer is now more important than the male consumer. It's good to see that the company is also moving in that direction.
Speaker #18: So, of course, we have a great responsibility as a company. And when you know that we have 180 nationalities, employed, then you also know the task with different culture and different backgrounds, we have a huge responsibility.
Speaker #18: I'm also proud of knowing that we now have 52% of our workforce being female, to 48% male. and not because it's a target, but actually it showcases the evolution of this business.
Speaker #18: And again, I think I can say that the female consumer is now more important than the male consumer, and it's good to see, that the company is also moving in that direction.
Bjørn Gulden: Although in some parts of the world, gender equality is not something to be measured and talked about, we actually do, and it's nice to see that 41% of our leadership are now women. We do believe that in the next years, that will increase. If it's 50% or 48 or 52, it doesn't really matter, but we should be a company that has gender balance, not necessarily because we have to, but actually because it makes sense to be a good company making the right products and concepts for our consumer. If you go into what you are interested in, the numbers, again, I'm probably just repeating what you already know, but Q4 was also better than we had expected.
Bjørn Gulden: Although in some parts of the world, gender equality is not something to be measured and talked about, we actually do, and it's nice to see that 41% of our leadership are now women. We do believe that in the next years, that will increase. If it's 50% or 48 or 52, it doesn't really matter, but we should be a company that has gender balance, not necessarily because we have to, but actually because it makes sense to be a good company making the right products and concepts for our consumer. If you go into what you are interested in, the numbers, again, I'm probably just repeating what you already know, but Q4 was also better than we had expected.
Speaker #18: And although in some parts of the world, gender equality is not something to be measured, and talked about, we actually do, and it's nice to see that 41% of our leadership, are now women.
Speaker #18: And we do believe, that in the next years that will increase. And if it's 50% or 48 or 52, it doesn't really matter. But we should be, a company that has gender balance, not necessarily because we have to, but actually because it makes sense, to be a good company making the right, products and concepts, for our consumer.
Speaker #18: If you then go into what you are interested in, the numbers, again, I'm probably just repeating what you already know. but Q4 was also better than we had, expected.
Bjørn Gulden: As you can see, we grew 11% currency neutral for the adidas brand in Q4. Remember that we're also comparing, against the year before where we had Yeezy, and there's a 1 percentage difference in those numbers. Especially proud is, of course, that we had a more than 50, almost 51% gross margin in Q4, which is normally a quarter where you lose margin. That showcases again that the quality of our sales was very high in a pretty, I would say, discounted and volatile market. That gave us a profit of EUR 164. That is almost up 3 times what we had last year. Remember that Q4 is always from a profitability in our industry, especially for us, but also for all the company, almost a break-even quarter.
Bjørn Gulden: As you can see, we grew 11% currency neutral for the adidas brand in Q4. Remember that we're also comparing, against the year before where we had Yeezy, and there's a 1 percentage difference in those numbers. Especially proud is, of course, that we had a more than 50, almost 51% gross margin in Q4, which is normally a quarter where you lose margin. That showcases again that the quality of our sales was very high in a pretty, I would say, discounted and volatile market. That gave us a profit of EUR 164. That is almost up 3 times what we had last year. Remember that Q4 is always from a profitability in our industry, especially for us, but also for all the company, almost a break-even quarter.
Speaker #18: And as you can see, we grew 11% currency neutral for the adidas brand in Q4. And remember that we're also comparing, against the year before when we had Yeezy, and there's a 1 percentage difference in those, numbers.
Speaker #18: Especially proud is, of course, that we had a more than 50, almost 51% gross margin, in Q4, which is normally a quarter where you lose margin.
Speaker #18: and that showcases, again, that the quality of our sales was very high in, a pretty, I would say, discounted and volatile, market. That gave us a profit of the 164.
Speaker #18: That is almost up, three times what we had, last year. Remember that Q4 is always, from a profitability in our industry, especially for us, but also for other companies, almost a break-even quarter, and again, that's why we were very happy with that result.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, that's why we were very happy with that result. That gave us then the 13% growth. When you look at the adidas brand, the 3% difference to the 10 is of course the old Yeezy, that's a sale of almost EUR 25 billion. A gross margin approaching 52%, which I think is all-time high without Yeezy. A profitability on an EBIT level of EUR 2.056 billion, which is up 54%. To be honest with you, higher than what we would have expected both 1, 2, and 3 years ago. When you look at where the growth is coming from, the left side is Q4, the right side is the full year. You see that even in North America, we grew 10%.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, that's why we were very happy with that result. That gave us then the 13% growth. When you look at the adidas brand, the 3% difference to the 10 is of course the old Yeezy, that's a sale of almost EUR 25 billion. A gross margin approaching 52%, which I think is all-time high without Yeezy. A profitability on an EBIT level of EUR 2.056 billion, which is up 54%. To be honest with you, higher than what we would have expected both 1, 2, and 3 years ago. When you look at where the growth is coming from, the left side is Q4, the right side is the full year. You see that even in North America, we grew 10%.
Speaker #18: That gave us, then, the 13% growth. When you look at the adidas brand, the 3% difference to the 10 is, of course, the old Yeezy.
Speaker #18: and that's a sale of almost 25 billion. A gross margin approaching 52%, which I think is all-time high without Yeezy. And then, a profitability on a limited level of 2 billion and 56 million, which is up 54%.
Speaker #18: and to be honest with you, higher than what we would have expected, both the 1, 2, and 3, years ago. When you look at where the growth is coming from, the left side is Q4, and the right side, is the full year.
Speaker #18: And you see that even in North America, we grew 10%. And yes, I think we've said it many times, our focus going forward is, of course, to improve our business, in the US.
Bjørn Gulden: Yes, I think we've said it many times, our focus going forward is of course to improve our business in the US. We are not by far where we should be, and that's not necessarily due to the American team, but more us as a company. We will talk more about that, as we move ahead. Europe, after two fantastic years with growth, another one at 10%. Of course, Europe, we have much higher market share and we are market leader in many markets. The growth here going forward will probably not be at the level that in other regions, but a very, very strong performance. Again, it should be like that since we have our headquarters sitting in the middle of Europe. Greater China, another year, up 13%.
Bjørn Gulden: Yes, I think we've said it many times, our focus going forward is of course to improve our business in the US. We are not by far where we should be, and that's not necessarily due to the American team, but more us as a company. We will talk more about that, as we move ahead. Europe, after two fantastic years with growth, another one at 10%. Of course, Europe, we have much higher market share and we are market leader in many markets. The growth here going forward will probably not be at the level that in other regions, but a very, very strong performance. Again, it should be like that since we have our headquarters sitting in the middle of Europe. Greater China, another year, up 13%.
Speaker #18: We are not by far where we should be. and that's not necessarily due to the American team, but more us as a company. and we will talk more about that, as we, move, ahead.
Speaker #18: Europe, after two fantastic years with growth, another one at 10%. of course, Europe, we have much higher market share, and we are market leader in many markets.
Speaker #18: so the growth here going forward will probably not be at the level that in other regions. But a very, very strong, performance, and again, it should be like that since we have our headquarters sitting in the middle of, Europe.
Speaker #18: Greater China, another year, up 13—very happy with the development of the business and the team. And I think you also start to see a lot of influence, actually, of the Chinese organization in other parts of the world.
Bjørn Gulden: Very happy with the development of the business and the team. I think you also start to see a lot of influence actually of the Chinese organization in other parts of the world. We'll get back to that when we talk about the product. Japan and South Korea, the same, growing at 14%. We used to be market leader in those markets, and we are gaining share. Same thing here. Very, very happy with the development. LatAm has been on fire for the last 3 years. We are market leader in the region and in most of the countries, again, growing at 22%. Emerging markets, which again, you know, are in a very, very tough situation. Remember that they are responsible, I think, for 72 different countries.
Bjørn Gulden: Very happy with the development of the business and the team. I think you also start to see a lot of influence actually of the Chinese organization in other parts of the world. We'll get back to that when we talk about the product. Japan and South Korea, the same, growing at 14%. We used to be market leader in those markets, and we are gaining share. Same thing here. Very, very happy with the development. LatAm has been on fire for the last 3 years. We are market leader in the region and in most of the countries, again, growing at 22%. Emerging markets, which again, you know, are in a very, very tough situation. Remember that they are responsible, I think, for 72 different countries.
Speaker #18: And we'll get back to that when we talk about the product. Japan and South Korea are the same, growing at 14%. We used to be market leader in those markets, and we are gaining share.
Speaker #18: Same thing here, very, very happy with the development. LATAM has been on fire for the last three years. We are market leader. In the region and in most, of the countries, and again, growing at 22.
Speaker #18: Emerging markets, which, again, you know, are in a very, very tough situation. Remember that they are responsible, I think, for 72 different countries. And right now, sitting in Dubai as an organization and looking into the terrible conflict that we have in the area.
Bjørn Gulden: Right now sitting in Dubai as organization and looking into the terrible conflict that we have in the area. Happy to report that no one is injured, of course, they're having a terrible situation, many of them sitting in shelters. We also had one franchise store has actually been hit by a rocket and destroyed. Again, I am very proud of the team, and also, of course, maybe not so important now, the performance in 2025 being up 17%, very impressive. That gives us then an 11% growth in Q4 for the brand and 13% for the full year. We talked about the channels every time we speak. You see here a very balanced, what should I say, growth in wholesale, own retail, which is brick-and-mortar, and e-com.
Bjørn Gulden: Right now sitting in Dubai as organization and looking into the terrible conflict that we have in the area. Happy to report that no one is injured, of course, they're having a terrible situation, many of them sitting in shelters. We also had one franchise store has actually been hit by a rocket and destroyed. Again, I am very proud of the team, and also, of course, maybe not so important now, the performance in 2025 being up 17%, very impressive. That gives us then an 11% growth in Q4 for the brand and 13% for the full year. We talked about the channels every time we speak. You see here a very balanced, what should I say, growth in wholesale, own retail, which is brick-and-mortar, and e-com.
Speaker #18: happy to report that no one is injured. but of course, they're having a terrible situation. Many of them sitting in shelters. And we also had one, franchise store was actually being hit by a rocket and destroyed.
Speaker #18: so again, I am very proud of the team, and also, of course, maybe not so important now, but the performance in 25 being up 17%, very impressive.
Speaker #18: That gives us then an 11%, growth in Q4, for the brand and then 13, for the full year. We talked about the channels. Every time we speak, you see here a very balanced, what should I say, growth in wholesale, on retail, which is brick and mortar, and e-comm.
Bjørn Gulden: Happy to report that we comped, you know, in our full-price stores and in our factory outlets. We added, you know, around 90 net stores during the year. I think we opened 247 new ones and we closed 158. Growth both on the like for like, which is important, but also expanding into better stores. You see the e-com, very, very good development. Again, our global e-com team working very well with the markets. We are slowly becoming a very good e-com operator again, which I think adidas used to be. That gives us the famous 60% wholesale and 40% D2C. I think we told you about that already 3 years ago. Own retail, meaning brick-and-mortar at 23% and e-com at 17%.
Bjørn Gulden: Happy to report that we comped, you know, in our full-price stores and in our factory outlets. We added, you know, around 90 net stores during the year. I think we opened 247 new ones and we closed 158. Growth both on the like for like, which is important, but also expanding into better stores. You see the e-com, very, very good development. Again, our global e-com team working very well with the markets. We are slowly becoming a very good e-com operator again, which I think adidas used to be. That gives us the famous 60% wholesale and 40% D2C. I think we told you about that already 3 years ago. Own retail, meaning brick-and-mortar at 23% and e-com at 17%.
Speaker #18: Happy to report that we comped, you know, in our full price stores, and in our factory outlets, and we added, you know, around 90, net stores, during the year.
Speaker #18: I think we opened 247 new ones, and we closed 158. so, growth both on the like-for-like, which is important, but also expanding into, better stores.
Speaker #18: And you see the e-comm, very, very good development. and again, our global e-comm team working very well with the markets. we are slowly becoming a very good e-comm operator again, which I think adidas, used to be.
Speaker #18: That gives us the famous 60% wholesale and 40% D2C. I think we told you about that already three years ago. And on retail, meaning brick-and-mortar at 23, and e-comm at 17.
Bjørn Gulden: There's not a goal in itself to be 60/40, that's actually mathematically what happens with the geographical mix we have. As I've said before, there are markets that will be more e-com because that's, you know, the distribution. There will be markets that will have more D2C. Again, depending on the growth rate we have in the different parts of the world, this, what should I say, ratio might change. We actually do believe that 60/40 is very healthy currently. Same thing here, you know, because we repeat it again and again, that our markets should adopt, you know, retail concepts that fits into their market, both from a cultural and architectural point of view.
Bjørn Gulden: There's not a goal in itself to be 60/40, that's actually mathematically what happens with the geographical mix we have. As I've said before, there are markets that will be more e-com because that's, you know, the distribution. There will be markets that will have more D2C. Again, depending on the growth rate we have in the different parts of the world, this, what should I say, ratio might change. We actually do believe that 60/40 is very healthy currently. Same thing here, you know, because we repeat it again and again, that our markets should adopt, you know, retail concepts that fits into their market, both from a cultural and architectural point of view.
Speaker #18: There's not a goal in itself to be 60/40, but that's actually mathematically what happens with the geographical mix we have. And as I said before, there are markets that will be more e-comm because that's, you know, the distribution.
Speaker #18: There will be markets that will have more D2C. and again, depending on the growth rate we have in the different parts of the world, this, what should I say, ratio might change.
Speaker #18: But we actually do believe that 60/40 is, currently. same thing here, you know, because we repeated again and again that our markets should adopt, you know, retail concepts that fits into their market, both from a cultural and an architectural point of view.
Bjørn Gulden: You see here stores around the world where the storefronts are not the same, because we don't want to have all the stores look the same. We wanna look great in the market. That's also what we feel the teams are doing. The same thing goes actually, believe it or not, for e-com. The pipes are global, meaning that the buildup of the sites are the same. They have access to all the same content, but it probably makes sense, as you see here, that we're using different celebrities or different culturally relevant persons to market the same things in the different markets. The local teams, again, adapt them to optimize the performance of the sites in the different markets.
Bjørn Gulden: You see here stores around the world where the storefronts are not the same, because we don't want to have all the stores look the same. We wanna look great in the market. That's also what we feel the teams are doing. The same thing goes actually, believe it or not, for e-com. The pipes are global, meaning that the buildup of the sites are the same. They have access to all the same content, but it probably makes sense, as you see here, that we're using different celebrities or different culturally relevant persons to market the same things in the different markets. The local teams, again, adapt them to optimize the performance of the sites in the different markets.
Speaker #18: And you see here stores around the world where the storefronts are not the same, because we don't want to have all the stores look the same.
Speaker #18: We want to look great, in the markets. and that's also, what we feel, the teams, are doing. and the same thing goes actually, believe it or not, for e-comm.
Speaker #18: the pipes are global, meaning that the build-up of, the sites are the same. they have access to all the same content, but it probably makes sense as you see here that we're re using, different, celebrities or different, cultural relevant persons to market, the same things in the different markets.
Speaker #18: And the local teams, again, adopt them to optimize the performance of the sites in the different markets. So exactly the same logic in the digital world as we do, in the physical world.
Bjørn Gulden: Exactly the same logic in the digital world as we do in the physical world. When it gets to the divisions, we have said in the three years that we need growth and lead in footwear. You can see here again growing 12%. We also said that there is a time when apparel needs to get into the lead because the visibility of the brand and the chances to actually build brand heat on apparel has been around the corner. You have seen an accelerated growth in apparel during the year. I'm very happy then to showcase that we actually grew apparel during the full year at 15%. Accessories, building the growth. Remember we told you that we had some issues in sourcing for the US market, meaning that we were negative in the last quarter.
Bjørn Gulden: Exactly the same logic in the digital world as we do in the physical world. When it gets to the divisions, we have said in the three years that we need growth and lead in footwear. You can see here again growing 12%. We also said that there is a time when apparel needs to get into the lead because the visibility of the brand and the chances to actually build brand heat on apparel has been around the corner. You have seen an accelerated growth in apparel during the year. I'm very happy then to showcase that we actually grew apparel during the full year at 15%. Accessories, building the growth. Remember we told you that we had some issues in sourcing for the US market, meaning that we were negative in the last quarter.
Speaker #18: When it gets to the divisions, we have said in the three years that we need, growth and lead in footwear. You can see here, again, growing 12%.
Speaker #18: But we also said that there is a time, and a parallel needs to get into the lead because the visibility of the brand and the chances to actually build brand hit on a parallel has been around the corner.
Speaker #18: And you have seen an accelerated growth in a parallel during the year, and very happy then to showcase that we actually grew a parallel during the full year, 15%.
Speaker #18: Accessories, building the growth. Remember we told you that we had some issues in sourcing for the US market, meaning that we have a negative, in the last quarter.
Bjørn Gulden: The US business is now flattish, we have sorted out some of the problems. Globally, especially accessories that are linked to World Cup, especially balls, are highly up, and you should expect this number to continue to actually be positive during the quarters of 2026. That gives us that 58% footwear, 35% apparel, and 7% accessories. Again, a very healthy growth, where the, what should I say, most of the business then being in footwear. You should expect that apparel growth rate could be actually higher than footwear for a period. That is probably also what will be best for our P&L, at least, short term. Our performance business now growing at 15%. Mathematically, you will then understand that performance grows quicker than lifestyle, which again, is positive.
Bjørn Gulden: The US business is now flattish, we have sorted out some of the problems. Globally, especially accessories that are linked to World Cup, especially balls, are highly up, and you should expect this number to continue to actually be positive during the quarters of 2026. That gives us that 58% footwear, 35% apparel, and 7% accessories. Again, a very healthy growth, where the, what should I say, most of the business then being in footwear. You should expect that apparel growth rate could be actually higher than footwear for a period. That is probably also what will be best for our P&L, at least, short term. Our performance business now growing at 15%. Mathematically, you will then understand that performance grows quicker than lifestyle, which again, is positive.
Speaker #18: The US business is now flattish, so we have sorted out some of the problems. and then globally, especially accessories that are linked to soccer World Cup, especially balls, are highly, highly up.
Speaker #18: And you should expect this number to continue to actually be positive during the quarters of '26. That gives us the 58% footwear, 35% apparel, and 7% accessories.
Speaker #18: Again, they're very healthy growth, where the, what should I say, most of the business then being in footwear. But you should expect that apparel growth rate could be actually higher than footwear for a period.
Speaker #18: and that is probably also what would be best for our P&L, at least, short term. Our performance business now growing at 15. so mathematically, you will then understand that performance grows quicker than lifestyle, which again, is positive.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, sometimes lifestyle will grow quicker and sometimes performance. In the long run, it is of course important that we establish a very solid performance business in all categories, being both the global ones and the local ones. Important here, football, our DNA growing at 12. I think it's fair to say that wherever you research, you will probably agree that we now are the market leader again in football. Running, coming, of course, from a lower base, but accelerating the growth. I think the Q4 had a growth of 36%, that means 29 for the full year. Training, you know, becoming a real growth vehicle again at 13. Basketball, negative through the first three quarters, positive in Q4. Now that is also growing. Outdoor, a little bit better than flattish. Golf, slightly down.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, sometimes lifestyle will grow quicker and sometimes performance. In the long run, it is of course important that we establish a very solid performance business in all categories, being both the global ones and the local ones. Important here, football, our DNA growing at 12. I think it's fair to say that wherever you research, you will probably agree that we now are the market leader again in football. Running, coming, of course, from a lower base, but accelerating the growth. I think the Q4 had a growth of 36%, that means 29 for the full year. Training, you know, becoming a real growth vehicle again at 13. Basketball, negative through the first three quarters, positive in Q4. Now that is also growing. Outdoor, a little bit better than flattish. Golf, slightly down.
Speaker #18: and you know, sometimes lifestyle will grow quicker, and sometimes performance. But in the long run, it is, of course, important, that we establish a very solid performance business in all categories, being both the global ones and the local ones.
Speaker #18: Important here, football, our DNA growing at 12. I think it's fair to say that wherever you research, you will probably agree that we now are the market leader again in football.
Speaker #18: Running, coming, of course, from a lower base, but accelerating the growth. I think the Q4 quarter had a growth of 36%, so that means 29% for the full year.
Speaker #18: Training, you know, becoming, a, a real growth vehicle again at 13. Basketball, negative through the first three quarters, but then positive in Q4. So now that is also growing.
Speaker #18: Outdoor, a little bit better than flattish. Golf, slightly down, and, you know, I think that's following the market. Specialized sports, which also are there for sports marketing visibility, growing at 12%.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, I think that's following the market. Specialized sports, which also are there for sports marketing visibility growing at 12. The US sports, then being up 9 following the growth in the US market. A very solid, I would say, pattern for our performance business. We told you, I think since a year, that the 4 categories we need to win in globally is football. It's our DNA. Running, because it's the biggest category. Training, because it's important, because globally every, what should I say, consumer trains. It might be different way of doing it, but very important for us. Basketball, of course, because of the cultural relevance in the US, but also globally.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, I think that's following the market. Specialized sports, which also are there for sports marketing visibility growing at 12. The US sports, then being up 9 following the growth in the US market. A very solid, I would say, pattern for our performance business. We told you, I think since a year, that the 4 categories we need to win in globally is football. It's our DNA. Running, because it's the biggest category. Training, because it's important, because globally every, what should I say, consumer trains. It might be different way of doing it, but very important for us. Basketball, of course, because of the cultural relevance in the US, but also globally.
Speaker #18: And the US sports, then being up 9, following the growth, in the US market. a very solid, I would say, pattern for our performance business.
Speaker #18: We told you, I think since a year, that the four categories we need to win in globally is football. It's our DNA, running, because it's the biggest category.
Speaker #18: Training, because it's important, because globally every, what should I say, consumer trains. It might be different, way of doing it, but very important for us.
Speaker #18: And then basketball, of course, because of the cultural relevance in the US. But also, globally. I hope and think you agree that our football business did extremely well in '25, not only from the 12% growth, but also from the visibility, and the way we looked, and of course, also the way our teams, and players, what should I say, performed.
Bjørn Gulden: I hope and think you agree that our football business did extremely well in 2025, not only from the 12% growth, but also from the visibility, and the way we looked, and of course, also the way our teams and players, what should I say, performed. I am very proud to say that adidas is back again as a leader, in where adidas was probably the pioneer, in the industry. Running for 3 years, we've said it has our priority. We spent a lot of time establishing credibility again, signing athletes, developing, you know, the best performance shoes, that exist. We are winning a lot of races because we have the best athletes and the best shoes. Extremely proud of what we did in the majors.
Bjørn Gulden: I hope and think you agree that our football business did extremely well in 2025, not only from the 12% growth, but also from the visibility, and the way we looked, and of course, also the way our teams and players, what should I say, performed. I am very proud to say that adidas is back again as a leader, in where adidas was probably the pioneer, in the industry. Running for 3 years, we've said it has our priority. We spent a lot of time establishing credibility again, signing athletes, developing, you know, the best performance shoes, that exist. We are winning a lot of races because we have the best athletes and the best shoes. Extremely proud of what we did in the majors.
Speaker #18: I am very proud, to say that adidas is back again as a leader, in, where adidas was probably the pioneer, in the industry. Running for three years, we've said it has our priority.
Speaker #18: we spent a lot of time establishing credibility again. signing athletes, developing, you know, the best performance shoes, that exist. we are winning, a lot of races because we have the best athletes and the best shoes.
Speaker #18: Extremely proud of what we did in the majors. You know, there are six majors, so you can win 12 times in the two genders.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, there are six majors, you can win 12 times in the two genders. We won more than half of them. Not only did we win, we were on the podium, I think, in all of the majors. It wasn't only in 2025, it started now also in 2026. The first marathon was now in Tokyo, our male runners were one and three with Tadese and Alex. In women, we were two and three. We took four out of six podium places, again, showcasing that our product is really, really, really good. In running, again, the Adizero range is for those people who like to run fast. It's been, you know, the credit builder, credibility.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, there are six majors, you can win 12 times in the two genders. We won more than half of them. Not only did we win, we were on the podium, I think, in all of the majors. It wasn't only in 2025, it started now also in 2026. The first marathon was now in Tokyo, our male runners were one and three with Tadese and Alex. In women, we were two and three. We took four out of six podium places, again, showcasing that our product is really, really, really good. In running, again, the Adizero range is for those people who like to run fast. It's been, you know, the credit builder, credibility.
Speaker #18: We want more than half of them, and not only did we win, we were on the podium, I think, in all, of the majors.
Speaker #18: And it wasn't only in '25. It started now also in '26, the first marathon was now in Tokyo. And our male, runners were one and three, with, Tadeus and Alex.
Speaker #18: And in women, we were two and three, so we took four out of six podium places. Again, showcasing that our product is really, really, really good.
Speaker #18: In running, again, there are the zero range, is for those people who like to run credit builder, credibility leader. We then said that we will take a look, and bring it into a normal runner, and we did that with the Evo SL.
Bjørn Gulden: We then said that we will take the look and bring it into a normal runner. We did that with the Evo SL. Maybe the most seen running shoes in the market right now. The volume on the shoe is approaching 10 million pairs. It's been a very successful, what should I say, launch and execution. We have then gone further with the everyday runner with Supernova, modern version, a really good franchise for normal people like myself. Where we have not been competitive is in what we call comfort running, which we will talk about later, but that's where we're launching Hyperboost in the next couple of weeks and months as the most comfortable foam that you can find in the industry. We talked about training.
Bjørn Gulden: We then said that we will take the look and bring it into a normal runner. We did that with the Evo SL. Maybe the most seen running shoes in the market right now. The volume on the shoe is approaching 10 million pairs. It's been a very successful, what should I say, launch and execution. We have then gone further with the everyday runner with Supernova, modern version, a really good franchise for normal people like myself. Where we have not been competitive is in what we call comfort running, which we will talk about later, but that's where we're launching Hyperboost in the next couple of weeks and months as the most comfortable foam that you can find in the industry. We talked about training.
Speaker #18: Maybe the most seen running shoes in the market right now, the volume on the shoe is approaching 10 million pairs. So it's been a very successful, what should I say, launch, and execution.
Speaker #18: We are then, gone further with the everyday, runner, with Supernova, modern version, a really, really good, franchise, for normal people like myself. And then where we have not been competitive is in what we call comfort running, which we will talk about later, but that's where we're launching hyper boost, in the next couple of weeks and months.
Speaker #18: As the most comfortable form that you can find in the industry. We talked about training. As I said, there are many versions of training, and people train differently in different regions.
Bjørn Gulden: As I said, there's many versions of training, and people train differently in different regions. We have seen a huge development in so-called hybrid training, and therefore, we have signed a lot of athletes, and we have built special product for hybrid training. Hybrid is, of course, where you combine running, cardio with strength. It is then logic that we take a running shoe and we combine it with a strength shoe, and that's what we've done with the Adizero Dropset Elite, which has tested fantastic and has a huge order book for the next, what should I say, season. As an example of how serious we take this, we actually, what should I say? Almost build a hybrid, what should I say? stadium in our brand center.
Bjørn Gulden: As I said, there's many versions of training, and people train differently in different regions. We have seen a huge development in so-called hybrid training, and therefore, we have signed a lot of athletes, and we have built special product for hybrid training. Hybrid is, of course, where you combine running, cardio with strength. It is then logic that we take a running shoe and we combine it with a strength shoe, and that's what we've done with the Adizero Dropset Elite, which has tested fantastic and has a huge order book for the next, what should I say, season. As an example of how serious we take this, we actually, what should I say? Almost build a hybrid, what should I say? stadium in our brand center.
Speaker #18: We have seen, huge development in so-called hybrid training, and therefore we have signed a lot of athletes, and we have built special product for hybrid training.
Speaker #18: And hybrid is, of course, where you combine, running, cardio, with, strength. And it is then logic that we take a running shoe and we combine it with a strength shoe, and that's what we've done with the other zero drop set, which has tested fantastic and has a huge order book, for the next, what should I say, season.
Speaker #18: As an example of how serious we take this, we actually, what should I say, almost built a hybrid, what should I say, stadium in our Brand Center, and last week we had both the world-class athletes, many world champions, together with our own employees, then doing a full, what should I say, competition in our facilities.
Bjørn Gulden: Last week, we had both the world-class athletes, many world champions together with our own employees, then doing a full, what should I say? Competition in our facilities. Again, it showcases how great it is to work for a sports company like ours when you can do these things. A great engagement, many of our people were really exhausted, which was cool to see. We also see a clear, what should I say? Development in the training fitness area for her, where there is a blend of lifestyle, fashion, and sports. You have seen many collabs happening in the market.
Bjørn Gulden: Last week, we had both the world-class athletes, many world champions together with our own employees, then doing a full, what should I say? Competition in our facilities. Again, it showcases how great it is to work for a sports company like ours when you can do these things. A great engagement, many of our people were really exhausted, which was cool to see. We also see a clear, what should I say? Development in the training fitness area for her, where there is a blend of lifestyle, fashion, and sports. You have seen many collabs happening in the market.
Speaker #18: And again, it showcases how great it is to work for a sports company like ours when you can do these things great engagement, and many of our people were really exhausted, which was cool to see.
Speaker #18: We also see a clear, what should I say, development, in the training fitness area for HER, where there is a blend of lifestyle, fashion, and sports.
Speaker #18: And you have seen many collabs happening in the market. We do, of course, also do collabs, but I think the best collab we do is that we actually are now doing original sport, where we take the trifold, the three stripes, and the original—what should I say—fashion direction, and we do it with the functional, performance fabrics.
Bjørn Gulden: We do, of course, also do collabs. I think the best collab we do is that we actually are now doing original sport, where we take the tree form, the three stripes, and the original, what should I say? Fashion direction, and we do it with the functional performance fabrics. The pictures you see here is examples of it. I don't need to tell you that the reaction from the trade, actually globally, has been extremely positive. We see this as a game changer for us in the women's training area. It might be that we will also see similar development on the men's side. Basketball. Yes, we know that we have not been competitive compared to our biggest competitor. There is a huge way to go.
Bjørn Gulden: We do, of course, also do collabs. I think the best collab we do is that we actually are now doing original sport, where we take the tree form, the three stripes, and the original, what should I say? Fashion direction, and we do it with the functional performance fabrics. The pictures you see here is examples of it. I don't need to tell you that the reaction from the trade, actually globally, has been extremely positive. We see this as a game changer for us in the women's training area. It might be that we will also see similar development on the men's side. Basketball. Yes, we know that we have not been competitive compared to our biggest competitor. There is a huge way to go.
Speaker #18: The pictures you see here as examples of it—and I don't need to tell you that the reaction from the trade, actually globally, has been extremely positive.
Speaker #18: and we see this as a game changer for us in, the women's, training area. And it might be, that we will also see similar development, on the men's side.
Speaker #18: And then basketball, yes, we know that we have not been competitive, compared to our biggest competitor, and there's a huge way to go. But again, the new team who has been in place for another 12 months have, been game changer, we have built a lot of new products, we have, innovation pipeline, and when you look at the players, they all star weekend, you know, Anthony Edwards was named, MVP, Vijay Edgecombe won the rookie MVP, and Damien, although he's injured, even won the three-point contest.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, the new team who has been in place for around 12 months have been game changer. We have built a lot of new products. We have a innovation pipeline. When you look at the players at the All-Star weekend, you know Anthony Edwards was named MVP. RJ Hamann won the rookie MVP. Damian, although he's injured, even won the three-point contest. Again, the visibility of adidas in All-Star was great. I know that both on the performance shoes, the signature shoes, and the lifestyle, there is a lot of good expectations in the market about our product. Motorsport, we have 1 year behind us with the relationship with Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, the new team who has been in place for around 12 months have been game changer. We have built a lot of new products. We have a innovation pipeline. When you look at the players at the All-Star weekend, you know Anthony Edwards was named MVP. RJ Hamann won the rookie MVP. Damian, although he's injured, even won the three-point contest. Again, the visibility of adidas in All-Star was great. I know that both on the performance shoes, the signature shoes, and the lifestyle, there is a lot of good expectations in the market about our product. Motorsport, we have 1 year behind us with the relationship with Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS.
Speaker #18: So, again, the visibility of adidas in all-star was great. and I know that both, on the performance shoes, the signature shoes, and the lifestyle, there is a lot of, good expectations, in the market about, our product.
Speaker #18: motorsport, we have one year behind us with the relationship with, Mercedes, AMG Petronas. successful both, the way we look, the way we produce content, and actually the commercial side of it is more than 100 million, so we achieved all, what should I say, the targets we have, and are very, very close to the two drivers and the team in developing new products, for the future.
Bjørn Gulden: Successful both, the way we look, the way we produce content, and actually the commercial side of it is more than EUR 100 million. We achieved all, what should I say? The targets we have, and are very, very close to the two drivers and the team in developing new products for the future. You know that we added our neighbor. I mean, the Audi headquarter is 100 km from here. When they went into Formula 1, it was a natural thing that we do it together. They debut in Formula 1 next week. Again, the reaction to the range has been great. The two drivers have been here many, many times.
Bjørn Gulden: Successful both, the way we look, the way we produce content, and actually the commercial side of it is more than EUR 100 million. We achieved all, what should I say? The targets we have, and are very, very close to the two drivers and the team in developing new products for the future. You know that we added our neighbor. I mean, the Audi headquarter is 100 km from here. When they went into Formula 1, it was a natural thing that we do it together. They debut in Formula 1 next week. Again, the reaction to the range has been great. The two drivers have been here many, many times.
Speaker #18: You know that we added our neighbor. I mean, the Audi headquarter is 100 kilometers from here, so when they went in to Formula One, it was a natural thing that we do it together.
Speaker #18: their debut, in Formula One next week, and again, the reaction, to the range has been great. and the two drivers had been here many, many times, and, we will then have two, I would call them German rooted teams, together with adidas and three stripes in the Formula One circus, and we really look forward to that.
Bjørn Gulden: We will then have two, I would call them German-rooted teams together with adidas and three stripes in the Formula 1 circus. We really look forward to that, knowing that the merchandise, the fan base is increasing. It's a good thing for our brand, both from an image and from a commercial point of view. In the, what should I say? Footsteps of Adi Dassler, we are back again focusing on many local sports and also smaller sports, both to get credibility and visibility. That also goes into the US. Yes, we have a long way to go to be a real sports brand in the US.
Bjørn Gulden: We will then have two, I would call them German-rooted teams together with adidas and three stripes in the Formula 1 circus. We really look forward to that, knowing that the merchandise, the fan base is increasing. It's a good thing for our brand, both from an image and from a commercial point of view. In the, what should I say? Footsteps of Adi Dassler, we are back again focusing on many local sports and also smaller sports, both to get credibility and visibility. That also goes into the US. Yes, we have a long way to go to be a real sports brand in the US.
Speaker #18: Knowing, that the merchandise, the fan base is increasing, and it's a good, good thing for our brand, both from an image, and from a commercial point of view.
Speaker #18: And then, in the, what should I say, footsteps of adidas HER, we are back again focusing on many, many local sports and also smaller sports, both to get credibility and visibility.
Speaker #18: and that also goes into the US. yes, we have a long way to go to be a real, real, real sports brand in the US.
Bjørn Gulden: Of course, we would like to have more college teams, and we would like to have more athletes, and we would like to have leagues, but it takes a while. I think it's extremely cool to see that we have both teams in the NCAA final. You know, when Indiana beat Miami, all the players in adidas, that was a great feeling. It wasn't only there. You know, we also won the volleyball tournament, and we won the NCAA soccer. Again, this showcases again that our sports marketing people in US now have the freedom and the resources to do what is right for the American market. That will, of course, continue, although we all know that it will take time to get the visibility and credibility that we need to be fully competitive in that market.
Bjørn Gulden: Of course, we would like to have more college teams, and we would like to have more athletes, and we would like to have leagues, but it takes a while. I think it's extremely cool to see that we have both teams in the NCAA final. You know, when Indiana beat Miami, all the players in adidas, that was a great feeling. It wasn't only there. You know, we also won the volleyball tournament, and we won the NCAA soccer. Again, this showcases again that our sports marketing people in US now have the freedom and the resources to do what is right for the American market. That will, of course, continue, although we all know that it will take time to get the visibility and credibility that we need to be fully competitive in that market.
Speaker #18: and of course, we would like to have more college teams, and we would like to have more athletes, and we would like to have leagues, but it takes a while.
Speaker #18: But I think it's extremely cool to see that we have both teams, in the NCAA final, you know, when Indiana beat, Miami. All the players in adidas, that was a great feeling.
Speaker #18: But it wasn't only there. You know, we also won the volleyball tournament, and we won the NCAA soccer. And again, this showcases, again, that our sports marketing people in the US now have the freedom and the resources to do what is right for the American market, and that will, of course, continue, although we all know that it will take time to get the visibility and credibility that we need to be fully competitive in that market.
Bjørn Gulden: This page is probably the one I'm mostly proud of, because two years ago, people said that adidas didn't have the right product and they didn't have, you know, performance product. I would say that we are more than competitive in all sports we compete, and you will see that on this page. Our product, people, our development, design, and innovation people are as good as anybody else, if not better. I'm very, very happy with the pipeline of product that is currently hitting the market and actually a little bit proud of it, which I think is in line with what Adi Dassler would have wished from us. Same thing in apparel. It is important for us that our athletes look good, feel good, and perform well. It's the same thing there.
Bjørn Gulden: This page is probably the one I'm mostly proud of, because two years ago, people said that adidas didn't have the right product and they didn't have, you know, performance product. I would say that we are more than competitive in all sports we compete, and you will see that on this page. Our product, people, our development, design, and innovation people are as good as anybody else, if not better. I'm very, very happy with the pipeline of product that is currently hitting the market and actually a little bit proud of it, which I think is in line with what Adi Dassler would have wished from us. Same thing in apparel. It is important for us that our athletes look good, feel good, and perform well. It's the same thing there.
Speaker #18: This page is probably the one I'm mostly proud of, because two years ago people said that adidas didn't have the right product, and they didn't have, you know, performance product.
Speaker #18: I would say that we are more than competitive in all sports we compete. and you will see that on this page. Our product, people, our development, design, and innovation people are as good as anybody else, if not better, and I'm very, very happy with the pipeline of product that is currently hitting the market, and actually a little bit proud of it.
Speaker #18: which I think, is in line with what adidas HER would have wished from us. Same thing in apparel. it is important for us that our athletes look good, feel good, and perform well.
Bjørn Gulden: We are innovating and investing in product development in all the sports we are in. I would say in 99% of the, what should I say, situation, we also look good. There was a couple of things that wasn't that good, but that will always happen. Back to innovation. Innovation is, of course, an investment where people are allowed to try things that haven't existed before. We have you know, quite some innovation when it gets to foam, when it gets to carbon, and when it gets to how to treat it. You see it here with actually with oxygen and the coolness. We are working a lot on additive or printed, and we're very, very close to actually launching performance shoes that are printed. We are working both with heating and with the Climacool systems.
Bjørn Gulden: We are innovating and investing in product development in all the sports we are in. I would say in 99% of the, what should I say, situation, we also look good. There was a couple of things that wasn't that good, but that will always happen. Back to innovation. Innovation is, of course, an investment where people are allowed to try things that haven't existed before. We have you know, quite some innovation when it gets to foam, when it gets to carbon, and when it gets to how to treat it. You see it here with actually with oxygen and the coolness. We are working a lot on additive or printed, and we're very, very close to actually launching performance shoes that are printed. We are working both with heating and with the Climacool systems.
Speaker #18: And it's the same thing there. We are innovating and investing in product development in all the sports we are in. And I would say in 99% of the, what should I say, situations, we also look good.
Speaker #18: There was a couple of, things that wasn't that good, but that will always, happen. And then back to innovation. innovation is, of course, an investment where people are allowed to try things that haven't existed before.
Speaker #18: we have, you know, quite some innovation when it gets to foam, when it gets to carbon, when it gets to how to treat it.
Speaker #18: You see it here. It actually is with oxygen, and with coldness. We are working a lot on additive or printed, and we're very, very close to actually launching performance shoes that are printed.
Speaker #18: We are working both with heating and with the climate cool systems. and there are some really interesting, what should I say, technologies now coming out also in apparel when it gets to fit, compression, and also climate cool.
Bjørn Gulden: There are some really interesting, what should I say, technologies now coming out also in apparel when it gets to fit, compression, and also Climacool. Again, same thing here. A lot of very, very energetic innovators that we give the freedom also to bring people or bring product to the market. Sometimes, like you see here, you know, we were able to take together with Mercedes-AMG product to the, what should I say, to real activities and set world record. You know, Sibusiso running 5:59:20 on a 100K in a very, very good documented, what should I say, event. An enormous effort from, of course, the athletes, but also from our own people and from Mercedes-AMG. Again, showcasing something that you can see online. It's a very, very emotional project.
Bjørn Gulden: There are some really interesting, what should I say, technologies now coming out also in apparel when it gets to fit, compression, and also Climacool. Again, same thing here. A lot of very, very energetic innovators that we give the freedom also to bring people or bring product to the market. Sometimes, like you see here, you know, we were able to take together with Mercedes-AMG product to the, what should I say, to real activities and set world record. You know, Sibusiso running 5:59:20 on a 100K in a very, very good documented, what should I say, event. An enormous effort from, of course, the athletes, but also from our own people and from Mercedes-AMG. Again, showcasing something that you can see online. It's a very, very emotional project.
Speaker #18: So again, same thing here. a lot of, very, very energetic, innovators, that we give the freedom also to bring people or bring product to the market.
Speaker #18: And sometimes, like you see here, you know, we were able to take, together with Mercedes-AMG, product to the, to the—what should I say—to real activities and set world records.
Speaker #18: You know, Sibusu running 5:59.20 on 100K. In a very, very good documented, what should I say, event, and enormous effort from, of course, the athletes, but also from our own people and from Mercedes, AMG, again, showcasing something that you can see online.
Speaker #18: it's a very, very emotional project, and, and out of that, you will see many products that will also go, commercial. And then I mentioned comfort.
Bjørn Gulden: Out of that, you will see many products that will also go commercial. I mentioned comfort. I personally believe that comfort is something that we and other sports brand maybe haven't focused enough on. We do know that some brands have had tremendous success focusing on comfort. Now we are at the point where we also focus on it. On this slide, you see, a lot of footwear models that has been, you know, designed and developed with comfort in mind. The most important thing there is, of course, the new Boost foam, which is HyperBoost. You remember probably that Boost, you know, was the most comfortable foam in the industry. Shoes like NMD and UltraBoost, but also the most successful Yeezy shoes all had Boost in them.
Bjørn Gulden: Out of that, you will see many products that will also go commercial. I mentioned comfort. I personally believe that comfort is something that we and other sports brand maybe haven't focused enough on. We do know that some brands have had tremendous success focusing on comfort. Now we are at the point where we also focus on it. On this slide, you see, a lot of footwear models that has been, you know, designed and developed with comfort in mind. The most important thing there is, of course, the new Boost foam, which is HyperBoost. You remember probably that Boost, you know, was the most comfortable foam in the industry. Shoes like NMD and UltraBoost, but also the most successful Yeezy shoes all had Boost in them.
Speaker #18: I personally believe that comfort is something that we, and other sports brands, maybe haven't focused enough on. We do know that some brands have had tremendous success focusing on comfort, and now we are at the point where we also focus on it.
Speaker #18: On this slide, you see, a lot of footwear models that has been, you know, designed and developed with comfort in mind. And the most important thing there is, of course, the new boost foam, which is hyper boost.
Speaker #18: you remember probably that boost, you know, was the most comfortable foam in the industry. shoes like NMD and ultra boost, but also, the most successful Yeezy shoes all had boost in them.
Bjørn Gulden: Boost had one problem, it was too heavy. That's why our innovation team had the brief since three years to develop Boost, but to be much lighter. The answer is HyperBoost, 40% lighter than the old Boost, and therefore a performance foam, extremely comfortable and light. You see here some of the silhouettes that are on the way of hitting the market, both in performance but also in lifestyle. Now as performance, you know, growing at 15%, lifestyle growing at 12%, and you see both Originals and sportswear growing double digit. I think that you would agree that we have partners that are extremely relevant on a global scale. You see some of them here. I mean, newly signed Kendall Jenner. I mean, we know about Grace.
Bjørn Gulden: Boost had one problem, it was too heavy. That's why our innovation team had the brief since three years to develop Boost, but to be much lighter. The answer is HyperBoost, 40% lighter than the old Boost, and therefore a performance foam, extremely comfortable and light. You see here some of the silhouettes that are on the way of hitting the market, both in performance but also in lifestyle. Now as performance, you know, growing at 15%, lifestyle growing at 12%, and you see both Originals and sportswear growing double digit. I think that you would agree that we have partners that are extremely relevant on a global scale. You see some of them here. I mean, newly signed Kendall Jenner. I mean, we know about Grace.
Speaker #18: Boost had one problem. It was too heavy, and that's why our innovation team had the brief, since three years, to develop Boost but to be much lighter. And the answer is Hyper Boost.
Speaker #18: 40% lighter than the old boost, and therefore, a performance foam, extremely comfortable and light. And you see here some of the silhouettes that are on the way of hitting the market, both in performance, but also, in, lifestyle.
Speaker #18: That was performance. you know, growing at 15%, lifestyle growing at 12. And you see both originals and sports were growing double digit. I think, that you would agree, that we have partners that are extremely relevant on a global scale.
Speaker #18: You see some of them here. I'm in newly signed Kendall Jenner, I mean, we know about Grace, and the other ones I probably don't need to present.
Bjørn Gulden: The other ones I probably don't need to present. I hope that you saw Bad Bunny at Super Bowl halftime. I think it's the first time in the history where, you know, the halftime show was dominated by one brand. Not only him wearing his own shoe, the BadBo 1.0, but also the dancers being, you know, in three stripes. Again, very, very proud to see that halftime show, but also proud to see that the shoes blew out very quickly. Of course, there will be releases now in different colors around the world that you can actually buy. Same, with our, what should I say, very close relationship to Pharrell. His own development with us, the Jellyfish, was Shoe of the Year in the US.
Bjørn Gulden: The other ones I probably don't need to present. I hope that you saw Bad Bunny at Super Bowl halftime. I think it's the first time in the history where, you know, the halftime show was dominated by one brand. Not only him wearing his own shoe, the BadBo 1.0, but also the dancers being, you know, in three stripes. Again, very, very proud to see that halftime show, but also proud to see that the shoes blew out very quickly. Of course, there will be releases now in different colors around the world that you can actually buy. Same, with our, what should I say, very close relationship to Pharrell. His own development with us, the Jellyfish, was Shoe of the Year in the US.
Speaker #18: I hope that you saw Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl halftime. I think it's the first time in history where, you know, the halftime show was dominated by one brand.
Speaker #18: Not only him wearing his own shoe, the Bad Bowl one, but also the dancers being, you know, in three stripes, and again, very, very proud to see, that halftime show, but also proud to see that the shoes blew out very quickly.
Speaker #18: And of course, there will be releases now in different colors around the world that you can actually buy. Same with our, what should I say, very close relationship to Pharrell.
Speaker #18: he's own development with Austin Jellyfish. Was shoe of the year in the US. and you will see his design direction, both on the high end and the more commercial, rolling out in different versions and colors.
Bjørn Gulden: You will see his design direction both on the high-end and the more commercial, rolling out in different versions and colors. Here you see the XLG, which is already doing very well in the US. Again, lifestyle. Yes, there has been a lot of talk about, you know, our Terrace, the Samba, Gazelle, and Spezial. I think you now have to widen it because all the shoes you see here from the Samba all the way down to running and actually soccer culture, shoes are selling at quite some high volumes everywhere. I think right now, it is important to extend the range globally, and not forget that the Terrace product is actually continuing to be very, very strong.
Bjørn Gulden: You will see his design direction both on the high-end and the more commercial, rolling out in different versions and colors. Here you see the XLG, which is already doing very well in the US. Again, lifestyle. Yes, there has been a lot of talk about, you know, our Terrace, the Samba, Gazelle, and Spezial. I think you now have to widen it because all the shoes you see here from the Samba all the way down to running and actually soccer culture, shoes are selling at quite some high volumes everywhere. I think right now, it is important to extend the range globally, and not forget that the Terrace product is actually continuing to be very, very strong.
Speaker #18: And here you see the XLG, which is already doing very well, in the US. And again, lifestyle, yes, there has been a lot of talk about, you know, our terrace, the Samba Gazelle and Special.
Speaker #18: But I think you now have to widen it because all the shoes you see here from the Samba all the way, down to running and, and actually soccer culture, shoes are selling at quite some high volumes everywhere.
Speaker #18: and I think right now, it is important to extend the range globally, and not forget that the terrace product is actually continuing to be very, very strong.
Bjørn Gulden: I would remind you that the Stan Smith is a look that you will see more and more of at the back end of 2026. I don't think I'm wrong if I believe that you and maybe your kids would like to wear a Stan Smith in 2027. There are very clear indications that that is going to be a big shoe. Of course, you're also allowed to carry any of the other shoes. Apparel. We did talk about the need 3 years ago to innovate in apparel. 3 years ago, most of our lifestyle product, both in Originals and in sportswear, were fleece. Now you see denim, you see satin, you see knit, and you see completely new design elements. A great job from our apparel team.
Bjørn Gulden: I would remind you that the Stan Smith is a look that you will see more and more of at the back end of 2026. I don't think I'm wrong if I believe that you and maybe your kids would like to wear a Stan Smith in 2027. There are very clear indications that that is going to be a big shoe. Of course, you're also allowed to carry any of the other shoes. Apparel. We did talk about the need 3 years ago to innovate in apparel. 3 years ago, most of our lifestyle product, both in Originals and in sportswear, were fleece. Now you see denim, you see satin, you see knit, and you see completely new design elements. A great job from our apparel team.
Speaker #18: I would remind you that the Stan Smith is a look that you will see more and more of at the back end of '26.
Speaker #18: and I don't, think I'm wrong if I believe that you and maybe your kids would like to wear a Stan Smith in '27. They are very clear indications that that is going to be a big shoe.
Speaker #18: But of course, you're also allowed to carry any of the other shoes. Apparel, we did talk about the need three years ago to innovate in apparel, three years ago.
Speaker #18: Most of our lifestyle product, both in Originals and in Sportswear, were fleece, fleece, fleece. Now you see denim, you see satin, you see knit, and you see completely new design elements.
Speaker #18: A great job from our apparel team, and I don't need to tell you that right now, many of these products are really flying off the shelf.
Bjørn Gulden: I don't need to tell you that right now, many of these products are really flying off the shelf, and especially online, where some of the good online players are really able to showcase newness and freshness all the time. We continue to see three stripes. Again, three stripes may be the most known element of any sports brand in the world. It's fair to say that we now have a run on three stripes, and we try also, of course, to do that in a very, what should I say, adidas-like way, taking care of it with not overdoing a bit, but at the same time showing it in many innovative way.
Bjørn Gulden: I don't need to tell you that right now, many of these products are really flying off the shelf, and especially online, where some of the good online players are really able to showcase newness and freshness all the time. We continue to see three stripes. Again, three stripes may be the most known element of any sports brand in the world. It's fair to say that we now have a run on three stripes, and we try also, of course, to do that in a very, what should I say, adidas-like way, taking care of it with not overdoing a bit, but at the same time showing it in many innovative way.
Speaker #18: And especially online, where some of the good online players are really, really able to showcase newness and freshness all the time. So we continue to see three stripes, you know, dominating the sportswear side.
Speaker #18: And again, three stripes, maybe the most known element, of any sports brand in the world. and it's fair to say that we now have a run on three stripes, and, and we try also, of course, to do that in a very, very, what should I say, Adidas, like way, taking care of it, with not overdoing it, but, but at the same time, showing it in, in many innovative, way.
Bjørn Gulden: I think with that, I've tried to tell you the story of what's going on with the brand, and then I'll hand over to Harm, that Harm can actually do the details of the numbers.
Bjørn Gulden: I think with that, I've tried to tell you the story of what's going on with the brand, and then I'll hand over to Harm, that Harm can actually do the details of the numbers.
Speaker #18: So I think with that, I've tried to tell you the story of what's going on with the brand. And then I'll hand over to Harm, that Harm can actually do, the details, of the numbers.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Thank you, Bjørn, ready to break now for a couple of minutes as I go through the financial update. Good morning, good afternoon from my side as well. As always, I want to shed some light into the P&L, the balance sheet, but also an update on the share buyback, you know, where we are. Starting with the P&L, as always, Bjørn alluded to some of these numbers already. The most important one is a 13% currency neutral growth for the adidas brand. I want to highlight that again. We can't say it often enough. I mean, the total company grew currency neutral, including the Yeezy impact, 10% and reported 5%. There's a 5 percentage point difference between currency neutral and reported. That is around EUR 1 billion.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Thank you, Bjørn, ready to break now for a couple of minutes as I go through the financial update. Good morning, good afternoon from my side as well. As always, I want to shed some light into the P&L, the balance sheet, but also an update on the share buyback, you know, where we are. Starting with the P&L, as always, Bjørn alluded to some of these numbers already. The most important one is a 13% currency neutral growth for the adidas brand. I want to highlight that again. We can't say it often enough. I mean, the total company grew currency neutral, including the Yeezy impact, 10% and reported 5%. There's a 5 percentage point difference between currency neutral and reported. That is around EUR 1 billion.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Björn. And ready to have a break now for a couple of minutes as I go through the financial updates. So good morning, good afternoon from my side as well.
Speaker #2: And as always, I want to shed some light into the P&L, the balance sheet, but also an update on the share buyback, you know, where we are.
Speaker #2: So, starting with the P&L, as always—Björn alluded to some of these numbers already—the most important one is the 13% currency-neutral growth for the adidas brand.
Speaker #2: I want to highlight that again. We can't say it often enough. I mean, the total company grew currency neutral, including the Yeezy impact, 10%, and reported 5%.
Speaker #2: So there's a 5 percentage point difference between currency neutral and reported. That is around a billion. I come back to that in a in a second, because that's an important number, to remember in '25 when it comes to the operational performance, whether it's a reported performance.
Harm Ohlmeyer: I come back to that in a second, because that's an important number to remember in 25 when it comes to the operational performance versus the reported performance. Of course, gross profit, very solid. I give some details, a double click on that as well. operating profit, as Bjørn mentioned, EUR 2 billion and EUR 56 million, 54% up in a very difficult market. Definitely very proud of what we have achieved. When you look at the guidance on how we started, we started 5 March 2023 with double-digit for the adidas brand. We have always been very confident on that one.
Harm Ohlmeyer: I come back to that in a second, because that's an important number to remember in 25 when it comes to the operational performance versus the reported performance. Of course, gross profit, very solid. I give some details, a double click on that as well. operating profit, as Bjørn mentioned, EUR 2 billion and EUR 56 million, 54% up in a very difficult market. Definitely very proud of what we have achieved. When you look at the guidance on how we started, we started 5 March 2023 with double-digit for the adidas brand. We have always been very confident on that one.
Speaker #2: Of course, gross profit—very solid. I'll give you some details. I'll double-click on that as well. And the operating profit, as Björn mentioned, €2 billion and €56 million.
Speaker #2: 54% up, in a very difficult market. So definitely very proud of what we have achieved. When you look at the guidance and how we started, we started in March 5th last year with double digit for the Adidas brand.
Speaker #2: We have always been very confident on that one. We said high single digit, you know, currency neutral on the reported, including the Yeezy impact from ’24, where we had around, you know, €700 million of Yeezy sales.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We said high single digit, you know, currency neutral on the reported, including the Yeezy impact from 2024, where we had around, you know, 700 million EUR of Yeezy sales and an operating profit of EUR 1.7 to 1.8 billion. I know at some stage I got criticized that we changed the guidance four times in 2024. We told you that we're not gonna change it four times again, but we did once on 21 October 2024. What we changed there is not the double digit for the adidas brand, but we still had the higher single digit net sales growth, but improved the operating profit to EUR 2 billion.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We said high single digit, you know, currency neutral on the reported, including the Yeezy impact from 2024, where we had around, you know, 700 million EUR of Yeezy sales and an operating profit of EUR 1.7 to 1.8 billion. I know at some stage I got criticized that we changed the guidance four times in 2024. We told you that we're not gonna change it four times again, but we did once on 21 October 2024. What we changed there is not the double digit for the adidas brand, but we still had the higher single digit net sales growth, but improved the operating profit to EUR 2 billion.
Speaker #2: And an operating profit of 1.7 to 1.8 billion. I know at some stage I got criticized that we changed the guidance four times in '24.
Speaker #2: So we told you that we're not going to change it four times again, but we did once on October '21. and what we changed there is, not the double digit for the Adidas brand, but we still had the high single digit net sales growth, but improved the operating profit to 2 billion.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Now finally, we came in, as you read this morning, actually, you know, the pre-release already, 30% growth for the adidas brand, 10% reported currency neutral, including the Yeezy impact and an operating profit of EUR 2,000,000,056. Now, I think what's important, coming back to the currency impact and the Yeezy sales, you see the quarterly breakdown and the growth percentages in Q1, Q2, Q3, and Q4: the 70%, 12, and 11, overall 13%, pretty significant. When you look at the quarterly breakdown, I think it's important sometimes you get lost in the percentages. It's important, and probably even going forward even more so, that we talk about absolute growth.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Now finally, we came in, as you read this morning, actually, you know, the pre-release already, 30% growth for the adidas brand, 10% reported currency neutral, including the Yeezy impact and an operating profit of EUR 2,000,000,056. Now, I think what's important, coming back to the currency impact and the Yeezy sales, you see the quarterly breakdown and the growth percentages in Q1, Q2, Q3, and Q4: the 70%, 12, and 11, overall 13%, pretty significant. When you look at the quarterly breakdown, I think it's important sometimes you get lost in the percentages. It's important, and probably even going forward even more so, that we talk about absolute growth.
Speaker #2: And now finally we came in, as you read, this morning and actually, you know, in the pre-release already, 30% growth for the Adidas brand, 10% reported currency-neutral, including the Yeezy impact, and an operating profit of €2.056 billion.
Speaker #2: Now I think what's important coming back to the currency impact and the Yeezy sales, you see the quarterly breakdown, and the gross percentages in the first quarter, second, third, and fourth.
Speaker #2: The 70%, 12, 12, and 11, overall 13. pretty significant. And then when you look at the quarterly breakdown, I think it's important something you get lost in is the pen probably even going forward even more so that we talk about absolute growth.
Harm Ohlmeyer: When you see the quarters, pretty much every quarter is, you know, growing absolutely the amount that, you know, Honor is growing, which is of course celebrated quite a bit and rightfully so. This absolute amount, you know, shows you with progress that we have done. For the full year, it would have been or it was actually EUR 2.8 billion on operational growth for the Adidas brand. Yes, part of the truth is that we couldn't come to Yeezy sales from 2024, which is EUR 700 million. As I just mentioned, the five percentage points has a negative FX of around EUR 1 billion. That's why in the books you only see the EUR 1.1 billion growth.
Harm Ohlmeyer: When you see the quarters, pretty much every quarter is, you know, growing absolutely the amount that, you know, Honor is growing, which is of course celebrated quite a bit and rightfully so. This absolute amount, you know, shows you with progress that we have done. For the full year, it would have been or it was actually EUR 2.8 billion on operational growth for the Adidas brand. Yes, part of the truth is that we couldn't come to Yeezy sales from 2024, which is EUR 700 million. As I just mentioned, the five percentage points has a negative FX of around EUR 1 billion. That's why in the books you only see the EUR 1.1 billion growth.
Speaker #2: And when you see the quarters, pretty much every quarter is, you know, growing absolutely in the amount that, you know, on is growing, which is of course celebrated quite a bit, and rightfully so.
Speaker #2: But this absolute amount, you know, shows you the progress that we have done. And for the full year, it would have been—or it was actually—$2.8 billion in operational growth for the adidas brand. And then, yes, part of the truth is that we couldn't count on Yeezy sales from '24, which is $700 million, and as I just mentioned, the 5 percentage points.
Speaker #2: has a negative FX of around a billion. That's why in the books you only see the 1.1 billion growth, but I think the most important number here is the 2.8 billion that we grew operationally, credit to all the marketing and sales teams, around the world.
Harm Ohlmeyer: I think the most important number here is the EUR 2.8 billion that we grew operationally, credit to all the marketing and sales teams around the world. Talk about the Q4 real quick. Again, you know, great trajectory with 11% growth for the adidas brand. There again, it's a big gap between, you know, currency neutral and reported 8 percentage points. The main reason for that is not just, you know, FX overall, but it's also hyperinflation when it comes to Argentina and Turkey. As you guys in the investors community know, when it comes to hyperinflation, we always need to use the spot rate at the, you know, last month to apply it for the full year. That's why the impact in Q4 is always a little bigger than the previous quarters.
Harm Ohlmeyer: I think the most important number here is the EUR 2.8 billion that we grew operationally, credit to all the marketing and sales teams around the world. Talk about the Q4 real quick. Again, you know, great trajectory with 11% growth for the adidas brand. There again, it's a big gap between, you know, currency neutral and reported 8 percentage points. The main reason for that is not just, you know, FX overall, but it's also hyperinflation when it comes to Argentina and Turkey. As you guys in the investors community know, when it comes to hyperinflation, we always need to use the spot rate at the, you know, last month to apply it for the full year. That's why the impact in Q4 is always a little bigger than the previous quarters.
Speaker #2: Talking about the fourth quarter real quick, again, you know, great trajectory with 11% growth for the Adidas brand. There again, it's a big gap between, you know, currency neutral and reported, 8 percentage points.
Speaker #2: The main reason for that is not just, you know, FX overall, but it's also hyperinflation when it comes to Argentina and Turkey. As you guys in the investor community know, when it comes to hyperinflation, we always need to use the spot rate.
Speaker #2: It's, you know, the last months to apply it for the full year. That's why the impact in Q4 is always a little bigger than in the previous quarters.
Harm Ohlmeyer: That's why it is 8 percentage points in Q4. Bjørn mentioned already the improvement on the bottom line, I don't need to repeat that again. From the top line going to gross profit, I don't want to double click on that one, you know, right away, because it's more important to dissect that a little bit. Again, coming from 50.8% in 2024, now underlying again, similar to the EUR 2.8 billion, you know, growth that we have on the top line, we also make good progress to improve our gross margin. Product costs, not just because the volume is growing and we are doing a good job in sourcing, but we are also the brand or meaningful brand that gives our suppliers, you know, margin because we are growing the business.
Harm Ohlmeyer: That's why it is 8 percentage points in Q4. Bjørn mentioned already the improvement on the bottom line, I don't need to repeat that again. From the top line going to gross profit, I don't want to double click on that one, you know, right away, because it's more important to dissect that a little bit. Again, coming from 50.8% in 2024, now underlying again, similar to the EUR 2.8 billion, you know, growth that we have on the top line, we also make good progress to improve our gross margin. Product costs, not just because the volume is growing and we are doing a good job in sourcing, but we are also the brand or meaningful brand that gives our suppliers, you know, margin because we are growing the business.
Speaker #2: and that's why, it is 8 percentage points in Q4. Björn mentioned already the improvement on the bottom line, so I don't need to repeat that again.
Speaker #2: From the top line, going to gross profit, and I want to double-click on that one. You know, right away, because it's more important to, dissect that a little bit.
Speaker #2: So again, coming from 50.8% in '24, now underlying again, similar to the 2.8 billion, you know, growth that we have on the top line, we also make good progress to improve our gross margin.
Speaker #2: Product cost, not just because the volume is growing and, and we are doing a good job in sourcing, but we are also the brand or meaningful brand that gives our suppliers, you know, margin because we are growing the business.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Not every brand can say that nowadays. That's why we have an improvement there. The freight costs have more than normalized. It's normal course of business in a volatile environment, of course. Business mix, you know, Bjorn mentioned the 60/40. We still made some improvements from a D2C point of view. That's a positive business mix and also across the categories. Pricing and discounting, we have remained very disciplined. It's a neutral, you know, e-element in that underlying driving as other brands are much more discounting and being promotional, not just in Q4, you know, in 2025. Of course, here you have an FX again. Again, the FX is not just a US dollar topic.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Not every brand can say that nowadays. That's why we have an improvement there. The freight costs have more than normalized. It's normal course of business in a volatile environment, of course. Business mix, you know, Bjorn mentioned the 60/40. We still made some improvements from a D2C point of view. That's a positive business mix and also across the categories. Pricing and discounting, we have remained very disciplined. It's a neutral, you know, e-element in that underlying driving as other brands are much more discounting and being promotional, not just in Q4, you know, in 2025. Of course, here you have an FX again. Again, the FX is not just a US dollar topic.
Speaker #2: Not every brand, can say that nowadays. and that's why we have an improvement there. The freight costs have more than normalized. it's normal cost of business.
Speaker #2: in a volatile environment, of course. business mix, you know, Björn mentioned it's a 60/40. we still made some improvements from a D2C point of view.
Speaker #2: So that's a positive business mix, and also across the categories. And then, pricing and discounting—we have remained very disciplined. It's a neutral element in that underlying driving, as other brands are much more discounting and being promotional, not just in Q4.
Speaker #2: you know, in '25. Of course, here you have an FX again. And again, the FX is not just, a US dollar topic. It's definitely, you know, other currencies as well, whether it's the Argentinian peso, Japanese yen, Korean won, it's Turkish lira, and, and even nowadays it's British pound.
Harm Ohlmeyer: It's definitely, you know, other currencies as well, whether it's the Argentinian peso, Japanese yen, Korean won. It's Turkish lira, and even nowadays it's British pound. I come back to that when it comes to 2026, what that really means. The tariffs we talked about a lot since April, but also here you see the, you know, gross effect and then the mitigation that we had, which is primarily in 2025, the discounts that we get from our suppliers. There's a net, you know, impact of roughly, you know, 50 basis points. Again, you know, when we promised a healthy company in 2026, we also said, ideally, we get to a 52% margin.
Harm Ohlmeyer: It's definitely, you know, other currencies as well, whether it's the Argentinian peso, Japanese yen, Korean won. It's Turkish lira, and even nowadays it's British pound. I come back to that when it comes to 2026, what that really means. The tariffs we talked about a lot since April, but also here you see the, you know, gross effect and then the mitigation that we had, which is primarily in 2025, the discounts that we get from our suppliers. There's a net, you know, impact of roughly, you know, 50 basis points. Again, you know, when we promised a healthy company in 2026, we also said, ideally, we get to a 52% margin.
Speaker #2: So, and I come back to that when it comes to '26, what that really means. the tariffs we talked about a lot, since April, but also here you see the, you know, gross effect and then the mitigation that we had, which is primarily, in '25, the discounts that we get from our suppliers.
Speaker #2: So there's a net, you know, impact of roughly, you know, 50 basis points. And again, you know, when we promised, a healthy company in, in '26, we also said ideally we get to a 52% margin.
Harm Ohlmeyer: As Björn said, we are probably even ahead of it as the tariffs haven't been hit us, and it would have been 50 basis points on top of the 51.6. We would have exceeded the 52% already and would have called out being a healthy company. Now going into 2026, what is the first indication for the gross margin driver to be transparent to all of you? We believe we have done a, you know, great job on the product cost, so we are considering that as being neutral. The same on freight. Whatever's happening in the Middle East, I think we can manage it. We're on top of it. We build a lot of resilience when it comes to our supply chain and logistics, so probably more neutral effect. The same on the business mix.
Harm Ohlmeyer: As Björn said, we are probably even ahead of it as the tariffs haven't been hit us, and it would have been 50 basis points on top of the 51.6. We would have exceeded the 52% already and would have called out being a healthy company. Now going into 2026, what is the first indication for the gross margin driver to be transparent to all of you? We believe we have done a, you know, great job on the product cost, so we are considering that as being neutral. The same on freight. Whatever's happening in the Middle East, I think we can manage it. We're on top of it. We build a lot of resilience when it comes to our supply chain and logistics, so probably more neutral effect. The same on the business mix.
Speaker #2: as Björn said, we are probably even ahead of it as the tariffs haven't been hit us. And it would have been 50 basis points on top of the 51.6.
Speaker #2: So we would have exceeded, the 52% already, and it would have called out being a healthy company. Now going into, into '26, what is the first indication for the gross margin driver to be transparent to all of you?
Speaker #2: we believe we have done a, you know, great job on the product cost. So we are considering that as being neutral. The same on freight.
Speaker #2: Whatever's happening in the Middle East, I think we can manage it. We are on top of it. We built a lot of resilience when it comes to our supply chain and logistics.
Speaker #2: So probably more neutral effect. The same on the business mix. We always talked about the 60/40 wholesale and D2C. But also the categories, as Performance is now even growing faster than, than Lifestyle.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We always talked about the 60/40 wholesale and D2C, but also the categories as performance is now even growing faster than lifestyle. It's probably a neutral one as well. Still, opportunities in pricing and discounting, it differences by market, but overall, we still believe there are opportunities unlike other brands, and we see that as a slight positive. I have to talk about, you know, FX and tariffs a little bit, which is a negative, which is again, on the FX, on the transactional side, we have a positive on the euro to the US dollar. It's not as positive as you all might hope for in 2026, but rest assured, as we are moving into 2027, and Björn will talk about later on, we have significant benefits coming towards us in 2027.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We always talked about the 60/40 wholesale and D2C, but also the categories as performance is now even growing faster than lifestyle. It's probably a neutral one as well. Still, opportunities in pricing and discounting, it differences by market, but overall, we still believe there are opportunities unlike other brands, and we see that as a slight positive. I have to talk about, you know, FX and tariffs a little bit, which is a negative, which is again, on the FX, on the transactional side, we have a positive on the euro to the US dollar. It's not as positive as you all might hope for in 2026, but rest assured, as we are moving into 2027, and Björn will talk about later on, we have significant benefits coming towards us in 2027.
Speaker #2: It's probably a neutral one as well. Still, opportunities and pricing and discounting—it differs by market—but overall, we still believe there are opportunities, unlike other brands, and we see that as a slight positive.
Speaker #2: But then I have to talk about, you know, FX and tariffs a little bit, which is a negative. Which is, again, on the FX, on the transactional side, we have a positive on the euro to the US dollar.
Speaker #2: it's not as positive as you all might hope for in '26, but rest assured as we are moving into '27 and Björn will talk about it later on, we have significant benefits coming towards us in '27 because don't forget, just 14 months ago, the, the euro to the US dollar was around 1.03.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Don't forget, just 14 months ago the euro to US dollar was around 1.03. Then we had times of 1.20. We are very comfortably hedged going into 2027, but there's already some benefits in 2026. Unfortunately, we have other currencies in very significant markets as well, like Turkey, Argentina, Japan, Korea, Brazil, Mexico, but also, you know, the UK. These are significant markets. They are all, you know, significantly above, you know, EUR 500 million in size, and they weigh on our transactional FX as well. That's what you will see later on on the bridge. This roughly is, you know, EUR 100 million, and then there's another EUR 100 million on the FX that we get on the translation again.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Don't forget, just 14 months ago the euro to US dollar was around 1.03. Then we had times of 1.20. We are very comfortably hedged going into 2027, but there's already some benefits in 2026. Unfortunately, we have other currencies in very significant markets as well, like Turkey, Argentina, Japan, Korea, Brazil, Mexico, but also, you know, the UK. These are significant markets. They are all, you know, significantly above, you know, EUR 500 million in size, and they weigh on our transactional FX as well. That's what you will see later on on the bridge. This roughly is, you know, EUR 100 million, and then there's another EUR 100 million on the FX that we get on the translation again.
Speaker #2: Then we had times of 1.20. We are very comfortably hedged going into '27, but there's already some benefits in '26. But unfortunately, we have other currencies and very significant markets as well, like Turkey, Argentina, Japan, Korea, Brazil, Mexico, but also, you know, the UK.
Speaker #2: these are significant markets. They are all, you know, significantly above, you know, 500 million in size. and they weigh on our transactional FX as well.
Speaker #2: that's what you will see later on on the bridge. This roughly is, you know, 100 million, and then there's another 100 million on the FX that we get on the translation again.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You will see that later on in the bridge, very much looking forward to 2027 as well when we get some of the benefits of the currencies. Going further down the line, it's a story of investing into marketing. We always said the last three years we're not gonna saving ourselves to profitability through saving on marketing, even as a percentage, 12.4%. That is probably, you know, close to the highest we have ever done. You see that the trajectory on the top line as well, that we are very well invested from a marketing point of view.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You will see that later on in the bridge, very much looking forward to 2027 as well when we get some of the benefits of the currencies. Going further down the line, it's a story of investing into marketing. We always said the last three years we're not gonna saving ourselves to profitability through saving on marketing, even as a percentage, 12.4%. That is probably, you know, close to the highest we have ever done. You see that the trajectory on the top line as well, that we are very well invested from a marketing point of view.
Speaker #2: You will see that later on on the bridge. But very much looking forward to '27 as well, when we get some of the benefits of the currencies.
Speaker #2: Going further down the line, it's a story of investing into marketing. We always said the last three years we're not gonna save ourselves to profitability through saving on marketing.
Speaker #2: even as a percentage, 12.4%. that is probably, you know, close to the highest we have ever done. and you see that in the trajectory on the top line as well that we are very, well invested, from a marketing point of view.
Harm Ohlmeyer: What's even important, and you all want to see that, tremendous leverage on the operating overheads coming from 34.2% to 31.4%, so 280 basis points or, you know, 4% down. Yes, some help is currencies. Yes, some help is one time in 2024, but overall, definitely going the right direction. Without that, we couldn't have grown our, you know, operating profit by 54%. Of course, we looked critically at Q3 when we came from, you know, operating profit to net income, but also here for the full year and with help in Q4, you know, you see that we are translating the 54% growth in operating profit to a 67% net income growth. How did we do that? The net financial expenses went up by 10%.
Harm Ohlmeyer: What's even important, and you all want to see that, tremendous leverage on the operating overheads coming from 34.2% to 31.4%, so 280 basis points or, you know, 4% down. Yes, some help is currencies. Yes, some help is one time in 2024, but overall, definitely going the right direction. Without that, we couldn't have grown our, you know, operating profit by 54%. Of course, we looked critically at Q3 when we came from, you know, operating profit to net income, but also here for the full year and with help in Q4, you know, you see that we are translating the 54% growth in operating profit to a 67% net income growth. How did we do that? The net financial expenses went up by 10%.
Speaker #2: And what's even important, and you all want to see that, is the tremendous leverage on the operating overheads. Coming from 34.2% to 31.4%—so 280 basis points or, you know, 4% down.
Speaker #2: Yes, some help with currencies. Yes, some help with one-time in '24. But overall, definitely going the right direction. And without that, we couldn't have grown our, you know, operating profit by 54%.
Speaker #2: Then of course, we looked, critically at Q3 when we came from, you know, operating profit, to net income, but also here for the full year.
Speaker #2: And with help in Q4, you know, you see that we are translating the 54% growth in operating profit to a 67% net income growth.
Speaker #2: How did we do that? The net financial expenses went up by 10%. That is, on the one hand, because we carry less cash on the balance sheet.
Harm Ohlmeyer: That is on the one hand, because we carry less cash on the balance sheet, and because of that, we have less interest income. Primarily because of Turkey, the hyperinflation weighs on financial expenses. That is the main reason why we are slightly up compared to 2024, but also that is normalizing in 2026. You see that we have a good trajectory on the income taxes. We went down from 26.5% to 24.3%. We always said, as we become a normal and healthy company, we will see the benefits in our tax rate as well as we become more profitable. You should assume also in 2026 that we will, you know, play around 24% to 25% of tax rate as you start updating your financial models.
Harm Ohlmeyer: That is on the one hand, because we carry less cash on the balance sheet, and because of that, we have less interest income. Primarily because of Turkey, the hyperinflation weighs on financial expenses. That is the main reason why we are slightly up compared to 2024, but also that is normalizing in 2026. You see that we have a good trajectory on the income taxes. We went down from 26.5% to 24.3%. We always said, as we become a normal and healthy company, we will see the benefits in our tax rate as well as we become more profitable. You should assume also in 2026 that we will, you know, play around 24% to 25% of tax rate as you start updating your financial models.
Speaker #2: And because of that, we have less interest income. And primarily because of Turkey, the hyperinflation weighs on financial expenses; that is the main reason why we are slightly up compared to '24.
Speaker #2: But also that is normalizing in '26. And you see that we have, a good trajectory on the income taxes. We went down from 26.5% to 24.3%.
Speaker #2: We always said, as we become a normal and healthy company, you will see the benefits in our tax rate as well as we become more profitable.
Speaker #2: And you should assume, also in '26, that we will, you know, play around 24 to 25 percent tax rate as you start updating your financial models.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Overall, very, very good net income growth of 67% and even more so on basic earnings per share of 76%. Now that's the P&L. Now moving to the balance sheet. Inventories up 70% or currency neutral, 23%. I want to deep dive into that one right away. You might remember that we started 2023 with a challenge in inventories with EUR 6 billion coming out of 2022. In hindsight, we believe we have been too disciplined on the inventory in 2023, coming down to EUR 4.5 billion. One reason was, yes, very disciplined because it was a problem. Secondly, you know, our top line grew faster than we would have expected, and that's why we went too low. It normalized in 2024, and now we have some special effects in 2025.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Overall, very, very good net income growth of 67% and even more so on basic earnings per share of 76%. Now that's the P&L. Now moving to the balance sheet. Inventories up 70% or currency neutral, 23%. I want to deep dive into that one right away. You might remember that we started 2023 with a challenge in inventories with EUR 6 billion coming out of 2022. In hindsight, we believe we have been too disciplined on the inventory in 2023, coming down to EUR 4.5 billion. One reason was, yes, very disciplined because it was a problem. Secondly, you know, our top line grew faster than we would have expected, and that's why we went too low. It normalized in 2024, and now we have some special effects in 2025.
Speaker #2: So overall, very, very good in net income growth of 67%, and even more so on basic earnings per share of 76%. Now, that's the P&L.
Speaker #2: Now, moving to the balance sheet. Inventories are up 70%, or currency neutral, 23%. I want to deep dive into that one right away. You might remember that we started '23 with a challenge in inventories, with €6 billion coming out of '22.
Speaker #2: in hindsight, we believe we have been, too disciplined on the inventory in '23. Coming down to 4.5 billion. One reason was, yes, very disciplined because it was a problem.
Speaker #2: Secondly, you know, our top line grew faster than we would have expected, and that's why we went too low. It normalized in '24, and now we have some special effects in '25. On the one hand, of course, we are preparing for further top line growth in '26.
Harm Ohlmeyer: On the one hand, of course, we are preparing for further top-line growth in 2026. This is the real volume growth, not just what you see reported, because there's FX impacts. We have some early product purchases to secure availability for our World Cup, because that's important. You all know it's a not just significant event for the brand, but also commercially significant for us. You know, after some challenges with supply chain hiccups here and there for the industry, we actually managed to have some, you know, earlier inbounds, you know, at year-end. Rest assured that, for the quarters to come, we will bring that, you know, further down.
Harm Ohlmeyer: On the one hand, of course, we are preparing for further top-line growth in 2026. This is the real volume growth, not just what you see reported, because there's FX impacts. We have some early product purchases to secure availability for our World Cup, because that's important. You all know it's a not just significant event for the brand, but also commercially significant for us. You know, after some challenges with supply chain hiccups here and there for the industry, we actually managed to have some, you know, earlier inbounds, you know, at year-end. Rest assured that, for the quarters to come, we will bring that, you know, further down.
Speaker #2: And this is the real volume growth, not just what you see reported because there are FX impacts. We have some early product purchases to secure availability for our World Cup, because that's important.
Speaker #2: You all know to not just significant event for the brand, but also commercially significant for us. And, you know, after some challenges with supply chain, hiccups here and there for the industry, we actually managed to have some, you know, earlier inbounds, you know, at year-end.
Speaker #2: So rest assured that, for the quarters to come, we will bring that, you know, further down. And you should assume that we make, you know, progress in the first half of '26.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You should assume that we make, you know, progress in the first half of 2026, and you can take me serious that by the year-end 2026, you will see a number that is below EUR 5.8 billion. Now, what's even more important and testament to a good inventory position, what is the goods on hand and goods in transit and what is actually current inventory. You see that the goods on hand, that is what we have in our DCs around the world, is actually 72% and only 7% of the total inventory is not, you know, current season. These are things that are sitting in factory outlets. That's what we say again, we have good full price sell through. We have current inventory, 28% is actually goods in transit.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You should assume that we make, you know, progress in the first half of 2026, and you can take me serious that by the year-end 2026, you will see a number that is below EUR 5.8 billion. Now, what's even more important and testament to a good inventory position, what is the goods on hand and goods in transit and what is actually current inventory. You see that the goods on hand, that is what we have in our DCs around the world, is actually 72% and only 7% of the total inventory is not, you know, current season. These are things that are sitting in factory outlets. That's what we say again, we have good full price sell through. We have current inventory, 28% is actually goods in transit.
Speaker #2: And, and, and you can take me serious that at year-end, '26, you will see a number that is below the 5.8 billion. Now what's even more important and, and, and testament to, a good inventory position, what is the goods on hand and goods in transit, and what is actually current inventory.
Speaker #2: You see that the goods on hand—that is, what we have in our DCs around the world—is actually 72%. And only 7% of the total inventory is not, you know, currencies.
Speaker #2: And these are things that are sitting in factory outlets. That's what we say again. We have good full price sell-through. We have current inventory.
Speaker #2: And 28% is actually goods in transit, so on the ship, somewhere around the world or on a train or on a truck, wherever we are around the world.
Harm Ohlmeyer: On the ship, somewhere around the world or on a train or on a truck, wherever we are around the world. Very, very current, and it's the most current inventory we have seen for many, many years. Really quick, the rest of the balance sheet. Accounts receivable, of course, up as we are growing with our, you know, retail partners. That's normal, especially, you know, in Q4 as we have shipped in, you know, quite a bit with the growth that we had. Accounts payable are slightly down. That is, as you know, what we need to pay to our suppliers in Asia as we, you know, get the shipments going. The operating working capital is of course up as well, but that is mainly attributable to the inventories that I just, you know, explained.
Harm Ohlmeyer: On the ship, somewhere around the world or on a train or on a truck, wherever we are around the world. Very, very current, and it's the most current inventory we have seen for many, many years. Really quick, the rest of the balance sheet. Accounts receivable, of course, up as we are growing with our, you know, retail partners. That's normal, especially, you know, in Q4 as we have shipped in, you know, quite a bit with the growth that we had. Accounts payable are slightly down. That is, as you know, what we need to pay to our suppliers in Asia as we, you know, get the shipments going. The operating working capital is of course up as well, but that is mainly attributable to the inventories that I just, you know, explained.
Speaker #2: So very, very current. And it's the most current inventory we have seen for many, many years. Really quick, the rest of the balance sheet—accounts receivable, of course, up as we are growing with our, you know, retail partners.
Speaker #2: that's normal, especially, you know, in Q4 as we have, shipped in, you know, quite a bit with the growth that we had. Accounts payable are slightly down.
Speaker #2: that is, as you know, what we need to pay to our suppliers shipments going. And then the operating working capital, of course, up as well, but that is mainly attributable to the inventories that are just, you know, explained.
Harm Ohlmeyer: When we go to the deep dive, we came from a not so good average working capital, you know, over net sales in 2022 and 2023. We went probably too low in 2024. It was 90.7%. I always said if you get below 20%, you're an excellent company, but we are definitely a healthy company if you're anywhere between 21% to 22%. We are slightly up, you know, given the reasons that I explained around the inventory, but I'm pretty sure we will get that to the range of 21% to 22% in 2026. Talking about capital expenditures as well. Another piece where we have been very disciplined, so we spent, you know, less in 2025. Where do we spend it?
Harm Ohlmeyer: When we go to the deep dive, we came from a not so good average working capital, you know, over net sales in 2022 and 2023. We went probably too low in 2024. It was 90.7%. I always said if you get below 20%, you're an excellent company, but we are definitely a healthy company if you're anywhere between 21% to 22%. We are slightly up, you know, given the reasons that I explained around the inventory, but I'm pretty sure we will get that to the range of 21% to 22% in 2026. Talking about capital expenditures as well. Another piece where we have been very disciplined, so we spent, you know, less in 2025. Where do we spend it?
Speaker #2: And also there when we go to the deep dive, we came from, not so good, average working capital, you know, over, over net sales.
Speaker #2: In '22 and '23, we went probably too low in '24. It was 19.7%. I always said if you get below 20%, you're an excellent company.
Speaker #2: But we have definitely a healthy company if you're anywhere between 21 to 22 percent. So we are slightly up, you know, given the reason that I explained around the inventory, but I'm pretty sure we will get that to the range of 21 to 22 percent in '26.
Speaker #2: Now, talking about capital expenditures as well—another piece where we have been very disciplined. So, we spent, you know, less in '25. And where do we spend it?
Harm Ohlmeyer: It's most importantly that we spend more than half of it in areas where the consumer will see it. These are new retail stores. As Björn mentioned, there's 90 net openings. We have, you know, renovated or upgraded some retail stores around the world. We are investing into shop in shop. That's where the majority of the CapEx is going into, where the consumer sees it. We are investing into our IT infrastructure, whether it's, you know, S/4HANA that we are rolling out around the world. Definitely also in our digital ecosystem, which will always be updated, will never be finished, and that's where the investment is going into and also there the consumer will see it. On logistics, you see it's pretty small. Why we always said we have an infrastructure that can cater to the EUR 30 billion business.
Harm Ohlmeyer: It's most importantly that we spend more than half of it in areas where the consumer will see it. These are new retail stores. As Björn mentioned, there's 90 net openings. We have, you know, renovated or upgraded some retail stores around the world. We are investing into shop in shop. That's where the majority of the CapEx is going into, where the consumer sees it. We are investing into our IT infrastructure, whether it's, you know, S/4HANA that we are rolling out around the world. Definitely also in our digital ecosystem, which will always be updated, will never be finished, and that's where the investment is going into and also there the consumer will see it. On logistics, you see it's pretty small. Why we always said we have an infrastructure that can cater to the EUR 30 billion business.
Speaker #2: It's most importantly that we spend more than half of it in areas where the consumer will see it. It's either new retail stores, as Björn mentioned, there's 90 net openings.
Speaker #2: We have, you know, renovated or upgraded some retail stores around the world. We are investing into shop-in-shop. That's where the majority of the company is going into.
Speaker #2: where the consumer sees it. We are investing in our IT infrastructure. Whether it's, you know, S/4HANA that we are rolling out around the world, but definitely also in our digital ecosystem, which will always be updated.
Speaker #2: It will never be finished. And that's where the investment is going into. And also there, the consumer will see it. And on logistics, you see it’s pretty small.
Speaker #2: Why? We always said we have an infrastructure that can cater towards the $30 billion business. The truth is also that there will be some markets where we are by far the market leader in Latin America or some of the emerging markets.
Harm Ohlmeyer: The truth is also that there will be some markets where we are by far the market leader in Latin America or some of the emerging markets, where we need to invest in the one or the other DC. You see from a CapEx point of view, it's not dramatic. We have the infrastructure that we need for the future. Of course, the working capital, especially the inventory, led to less cash than we originally had planned. It's EUR 1.6 billion at year-end. It's down from last year. It's also important that we put that in correlation to what is our, you know, cash overall, what is our adjusted net borrowings, and most importantly, what are our net leverage ratios. That is important for our credit agencies as well.
Harm Ohlmeyer: The truth is also that there will be some markets where we are by far the market leader in Latin America or some of the emerging markets, where we need to invest in the one or the other DC. You see from a CapEx point of view, it's not dramatic. We have the infrastructure that we need for the future. Of course, the working capital, especially the inventory, led to less cash than we originally had planned. It's EUR 1.6 billion at year-end. It's down from last year. It's also important that we put that in correlation to what is our, you know, cash overall, what is our adjusted net borrowings, and most importantly, what are our net leverage ratios. That is important for our credit agencies as well.
Speaker #2: where we need to invest in the one or the other DC, but you see from a CapEx point of view, it's, not dramatic. so we have the infrastructure that we need for the future.
Speaker #2: Of course, the working capital, and especially the inventory, led to less cash than we, you know, originally had planned. It's $1.6 billion at year-end.
Speaker #2: It's down from last year. but it's also important that we put that in correlation to, what is our, you know, cash overall, what is our adjusted net borrowings, and most importantly, what are our net leverage ratios and, and that is important for our, credit agencies as well.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We are very, very strong from a leverage ratio. We have an internal policy of being below 2.0. We are still coming from, you know, above 3 to now 1.4 in 2025, and that's why it's important to mention, even given the cash that we have on the balance sheet, we have a strong investment-grade rating from both S&P, with A and stable outlook and also Moody's and A3 and a stable outlook because we've made a lot of progress the last couple of years and is being recognized by them with the effort that we have done. Because we have a strong balance sheet, we also, you know, propose an increase of 40% of the dividend, so going from EUR 2 per share to EUR 2.80. We believe that's the right amount.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We are very, very strong from a leverage ratio. We have an internal policy of being below 2.0. We are still coming from, you know, above 3 to now 1.4 in 2025, and that's why it's important to mention, even given the cash that we have on the balance sheet, we have a strong investment-grade rating from both S&P, with A and stable outlook and also Moody's and A3 and a stable outlook because we've made a lot of progress the last couple of years and is being recognized by them with the effort that we have done. Because we have a strong balance sheet, we also, you know, propose an increase of 40% of the dividend, so going from EUR 2 per share to EUR 2.80. We believe that's the right amount.
Speaker #2: So we are very, very strong from a leverage ratio. We have an internal policy of being below 2.0. We are still coming from, you know, above 3 to now 1.4 in '25.
Speaker #2: And that's why it's important to mention, even given the cash, that we have on the balance sheet, we have a strong investment grade rating from both S&P, with A, and stable outlook, and also Mo-Moody's in A3 and a stable outlook because we made a lot of progress the last couple of years, and it's being recognized, by done.
Speaker #2: Because we have a strong balance sheet, we also, you know, propose an increase of 40% of the dividend. So, going from €2 per share to €2.80, we believe that's the right amount.
Harm Ohlmeyer: The shares outstanding, of course, is the number that was at year-end. That is changing as we do the share buyback. That would amount, you know, result to share buyback to EUR 500 million dividend. It's a payout ratio of 36%. We believe that's around right amount absolute and also ratio, considering our share buyback of up to EUR 1 billion in 2026. You know that we had a first tranche that is finishing latest by 18 March of EUR 500 million. You see here as of yesterday evening, we have already, you know, bought back the amount of EUR 400 million or 2.6 billion shares. Definitely the banks have accelerated the last couple of days, but also well progressed, and you will see the benefit of that, you know, in the future.
Harm Ohlmeyer: The shares outstanding, of course, is the number that was at year-end. That is changing as we do the share buyback. That would amount, you know, result to share buyback to EUR 500 million dividend. It's a payout ratio of 36%. We believe that's around right amount absolute and also ratio, considering our share buyback of up to EUR 1 billion in 2026. You know that we had a first tranche that is finishing latest by 18 March of EUR 500 million. You see here as of yesterday evening, we have already, you know, bought back the amount of EUR 400 million or 2.6 billion shares. Definitely the banks have accelerated the last couple of days, but also well progressed, and you will see the benefit of that, you know, in the future.
Speaker #2: The shares outstanding, of course, is the number that was at year-end. That is changing as we do the share buyback. But that would amount, you know, without the share buyback, to €500 million dividend.
Speaker #2: It's a payout ratio of 36%. We believe, that's around, right, amount absolute and also ratio considering our share buyback of up to €1 billion in '26.
Speaker #2: And you know that we had a first tranche that is finishing latest by March 18th of €500 million you see here, here as of yesterday evening.
Speaker #2: We have already, you know, bought back the amount of €400 million, or 2.6 million shares. So, definitely, the banks have accelerated the last couple of days, but also well progressed.
Speaker #2: And you will see the benefit of that. you know, in the future. So overall, when you see the return to shareholders, which, of course, all of you are interested in, we had 357 million in the year '24 only through dividends.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Overall, when you see the return to shareholders, which of course all of you are interested in, we had EUR 357 million in the year 2024 only through dividends. You see now the combination of dividend and the share buyback in 2026 will return EUR 1.5 billion, around EUR 1.5 billion to shareholders. We believe that's pretty significant. We also believe you can only do that if you carry a strong balance sheet and if you're a healthy company, which we believe we are, and you will see further on that we will strengthen that bond with our midterm plan. With that, I'm happy to hand over to Björn again.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Overall, when you see the return to shareholders, which of course all of you are interested in, we had EUR 357 million in the year 2024 only through dividends. You see now the combination of dividend and the share buyback in 2026 will return EUR 1.5 billion, around EUR 1.5 billion to shareholders. We believe that's pretty significant. We also believe you can only do that if you carry a strong balance sheet and if you're a healthy company, which we believe we are, and you will see further on that we will strengthen that bond with our midterm plan. With that, I'm happy to hand over to Björn again.
Speaker #2: And you see now, the combination of dividend and the share buyback in '26 will return $1.5 billion—around $1.5 billion—to shareholders. And we believe that's pretty significant.
Speaker #2: and we also believe we can only do that if you carry a strong balance sheet and if you're a healthy company which we believe we are.
Speaker #2: And you will see, further on, that we will strengthen that one with our mid-term plan. With that, I'm happy to hand over to Björn again.
Bjørn Gulden: Thanks, Harm. You probably remember our roadmap that we started talking about 4 years ago that said, 2025, we should be a good company. In 2026 we wanted to define ourselves to be a healthy company. We have now added successful because with the numbers we're showing you and the evolution we've had over the 4 years, we think adidas stand healthy and successful. I want, again, although I do it many, many, many times, again, repeat the way we look at our business model, and I hope you agree that it all has to start with the consumer and the athlete because that's in the end, our customer. The closer you are to the consumer or the athlete, the better decisions will you do.
Bjørn Gulden: Thanks, Harm. You probably remember our roadmap that we started talking about 4 years ago that said, 2025, we should be a good company. In 2026 we wanted to define ourselves to be a healthy company. We have now added successful because with the numbers we're showing you and the evolution we've had over the 4 years, we think adidas stand healthy and successful. I want, again, although I do it many, many, many times, again, repeat the way we look at our business model, and I hope you agree that it all has to start with the consumer and the athlete because that's in the end, our customer. The closer you are to the consumer or the athlete, the better decisions will you do.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Harm. and then you probably remember our roadmap, that we started talking about four years ago. that said 25, we should be a good company.
Speaker #2: And then in '26, we wanted to define ourselves to be a healthy company. And I think we have now added 'successful,' because with the numbers we're showing you, and the evolution we've had over the four years, we think Ideas East and healthy and successful.
Speaker #2: I want again, although I do it many, many, many times, again repeat, the way we look at our business model and I hope you agree that it all has to start with the consumer and the athlete, because that's in the end our customer.
Speaker #2: And the closer you are to the consumer or the athlete, the better decisions you will make. And that's why we believe in a world that is getting more and more complicated, and more and more diversified.
Bjørn Gulden: That's why we believe in a world that is getting more and more complicated and more and more diversified. We need to be closer to the consumer. That means that the markets will have to take more responsibility in the decisions. Whatever we define a market to be, it can be a country or it can be a region. Important is that we define where we wanna go to make what decisions. That's not sitting in a central office and believing that we know what's happening all over the world. This is important because if you wanna be EUR 25 billion, EUR 30 billion, EUR 35 billion, EUR 40 billion, you need to make good decisions when it gets to what kind of product are you bringing, developing and sourcing where, and not try to believe that you can do the same all over the world.
Bjørn Gulden: That's why we believe in a world that is getting more and more complicated and more and more diversified. We need to be closer to the consumer. That means that the markets will have to take more responsibility in the decisions. Whatever we define a market to be, it can be a country or it can be a region. Important is that we define where we wanna go to make what decisions. That's not sitting in a central office and believing that we know what's happening all over the world. This is important because if you wanna be EUR 25 billion, EUR 30 billion, EUR 35 billion, EUR 40 billion, you need to make good decisions when it gets to what kind of product are you bringing, developing and sourcing where, and not try to believe that you can do the same all over the world.
Speaker #2: We need to be closer to the consumer. And that means that the markets will have to take more responsibility in the decisions. Whatever we define a market to be—it can be a country, or it can be a region.
Speaker #2: But what's important is that we define where we want to go, to make what decisions. And that's not sitting in a central office and believing that we know what's happening all over the world.
Speaker #2: And this is important because if you want to be 25, 30, 35, 40 billion, you need to make good decisions when it gets to what kind of product are you bringing, developing, and sourcing where, and not try to believe that you can do the same all over the world.
Bjørn Gulden: Global will always exist and headquarter will stay here in Herzog. We will of course develop systems, processes and frames and also innovation and even run some of the categories very stringent. We will be more and more local in the way we actually make decisions because there is no alternative at this size. That means, again, that we will make decisions as close as we can to the consumer. We need very, very good people, not only in headquarter, but also in the local market. I am extremely proud to see the energy we have now all over the world, and the positivity our management in the market show on how they think they can reach, you know, growth in the future.
Bjørn Gulden: Global will always exist and headquarter will stay here in Herzog. We will of course develop systems, processes and frames and also innovation and even run some of the categories very stringent. We will be more and more local in the way we actually make decisions because there is no alternative at this size. That means, again, that we will make decisions as close as we can to the consumer. We need very, very good people, not only in headquarter, but also in the local market. I am extremely proud to see the energy we have now all over the world, and the positivity our management in the market show on how they think they can reach, you know, growth in the future.
Speaker #2: So global will always exist, and headquarters will stay here in Herzogenaurach, and we will, of course, develop systems, processes, and frameworks, and also innovation, and even run some of the categories very stringently, but we will be more and more local in the way we actually make decisions, because there is no alternative at this size.
Speaker #2: And that means, again, that we will make decisions as close as we can to the consumer, and we need very, very good people not only in headquarters but also in the local market. I am extremely proud to see the energy we have now all over the world, and the positivity our management in the market shows—how they think they can reach, you know, growth in the future.
Bjørn Gulden: When you then look at it, living this kind of world means that not everything looks the same. There are stores that look different. There are products that are hot in one market and not exist in others. This is the way the world currently is. I know there are different opinion about this, but I think we all agree here that there is no alternative. It could look like when we do a Superstar campaign. Don't forget, Superstar is not only a shoe, Superstar is also an apparel world, and it is an expression of a consumer. Then the frame of the campaign will look the same. How we execute it, where we execute it, can actually be then different, from market to market. You see some examples of it here.
Bjørn Gulden: When you then look at it, living this kind of world means that not everything looks the same. There are stores that look different. There are products that are hot in one market and not exist in others. This is the way the world currently is. I know there are different opinion about this, but I think we all agree here that there is no alternative. It could look like when we do a Superstar campaign. Don't forget, Superstar is not only a shoe, Superstar is also an apparel world, and it is an expression of a consumer. Then the frame of the campaign will look the same. How we execute it, where we execute it, can actually be then different, from market to market. You see some examples of it here.
Speaker #2: And when you then, look at it, leaving this kind of world means that not everything looks the same. there are stores that look different, there are products that are hot in one market and not exist in others.
Speaker #2: And this is the way the world currently is, and, and I know there are different opinions about this, but I think we all agree here that there is no alternative.
Speaker #2: And it could look like when we do a superstar campaign and forg don't forget superstar is not only a shoe. Superstar is also an apparel world, and it is an expression of a consumer.
Speaker #2: Then the frame of the campaign will look the same, but how we execute it, where we execute it, can actually be then different from market to market.
Speaker #2: And you see some examples of it here. It is also true that creativity doesn't only happen in Hertzow in our headquarter, but it happens all over the world.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also true that creativity doesn't only happen in Herzogenaurach, in our headquarters, but it happens all over the world. I assume if you are on social media, you've seen the tank jacket. This China design that was meant to be, you know, for the Chinese New Year went viral all over the world. Now we have a demand in every market around the globe. That showcases again the creativity power that we have and that we can exploit when we have the right attitude and the right systems. It is also true that there are local developments and local fashion shows and local relevance that we do only for the market like you see here. That's not only in China, it is of course also in other markets.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also true that creativity doesn't only happen in Herzogenaurach, in our headquarters, but it happens all over the world. I assume if you are on social media, you've seen the tank jacket. This China design that was meant to be, you know, for the Chinese New Year went viral all over the world. Now we have a demand in every market around the globe. That showcases again the creativity power that we have and that we can exploit when we have the right attitude and the right systems. It is also true that there are local developments and local fashion shows and local relevance that we do only for the market like you see here. That's not only in China, it is of course also in other markets.
Speaker #2: And I assume if you are on social media, you've seen the tank jacket, and is China the sign that was meant to be, you know, for the Chinese New Year went viral all over the world, and now we have a demand in every market around the globe.
Speaker #2: And that showcases, again, the creative power that we have, and that we can exploit when we have the right attitude and the right systems.
Speaker #2: It is also true that there are local developments and local fashion shows and local relevance that we do only for the market, like you see here.
Speaker #2: And that's not only in China. It is, of course, also in other markets. It is also true that, to be a sports brand, we need to make sure we are in the sports that are relevant.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also true that to be a sports brand, we need to make sure we are in the sports that are relevant. I don't need to tell you that parts of the problem we had in the US of not being what we should be is of course that we haven't been visible in American sports the way we should, for many, many years. Again, I can assure you that we are doing everything we can to build that over time. Of course we also have to admit that it takes time. You can't sign the biggest colleges or sign any leagues, or the biggest players unless they are free or unless you identify them early.
Bjørn Gulden: It is also true that to be a sports brand, we need to make sure we are in the sports that are relevant. I don't need to tell you that parts of the problem we had in the US of not being what we should be is of course that we haven't been visible in American sports the way we should, for many, many years. Again, I can assure you that we are doing everything we can to build that over time. Of course we also have to admit that it takes time. You can't sign the biggest colleges or sign any leagues, or the biggest players unless they are free or unless you identify them early.
Speaker #2: And I don't need to tell you that parts of the problem we had in the U.S. of not being what we should be is, of course, that we haven't been visible in American sports the way we should.
Speaker #2: For many, many years. And again, I can assure you that we are doing everything we can to build that over time. But of course, we also have to admit that it takes time.
Speaker #2: You can't sign the biggest colleges or sign any leagues, or the biggest players unless they are free or unless you identify them early. But our sports marketing teams, both globally and especially now in the US, are, of course, very, very active making sure that we can build a base that we can grow from.
Bjørn Gulden: Our sports marketing teams, both globally and especially now in the US, are of course very, very active, making sure that we can build a base that we can grow from. It's not only in the US. This is a topic we have talked about many times. The cricket in India or the rugby in New Zealand or even rugby in France. I mean, the cultural relevance of that is very important. It could also be netball for the women in Australia, or you know, winter sport for that sake in my country, Norway. We wanna be like adidas laminated a sports brand that are in the relevant sports, both commercially and non-commercially. We can have the ambition of being the number one sports brand in all the markets. We do know that we will not be the number one in all markets.
Bjørn Gulden: Our sports marketing teams, both globally and especially now in the US, are of course very, very active, making sure that we can build a base that we can grow from. It's not only in the US. This is a topic we have talked about many times. The cricket in India or the rugby in New Zealand or even rugby in France. I mean, the cultural relevance of that is very important. It could also be netball for the women in Australia, or you know, winter sport for that sake in my country, Norway. We wanna be like adidas laminated a sports brand that are in the relevant sports, both commercially and non-commercially. We can have the ambition of being the number one sports brand in all the markets. We do know that we will not be the number one in all markets.
Speaker #2: But it's not only in the US, this is a topic we have talked about many times, the cricket in the India or the rugby in New Zealand, or even rugby in France.
Speaker #2: I mean, the cultural relevance of that is very important. It could also be netball for the women in Australia, or, you know, winter sport for that sake in my country, Norway.
Speaker #2: We want to be like Adidas Limited, a sports brand that are in the relevant sports, both commercially and non-commercially, so we can have the ambition of being the number one sports brand in all the markets.
Speaker #2: We do know that we will not be the number one in all markets. We should have the ambition, except for in the US where I think the distance to Nike is so big, that we should first have a target of actually doubling our business.
Bjørn Gulden: We should have the ambition, except for in the US, where I think the distance to Nike is so big that we should first have a target of actually doubling our business. All other responsible people in the market should have the ambition of being number one. That doesn't mean we will be it, but it means that they have to identify what they would need to theoretically be number one. It is a priority for global. In what markets we have the resources to do it and where the priorities sit. Again, there's no doubt that from the global point of view, it is mostly important now that we keep the leadership where we have it, that we ambition in all markets. Specifically target the American consumer from America.
Bjørn Gulden: We should have the ambition, except for in the US, where I think the distance to Nike is so big that we should first have a target of actually doubling our business. All other responsible people in the market should have the ambition of being number one. That doesn't mean we will be it, but it means that they have to identify what they would need to theoretically be number one. It is a priority for global. In what markets we have the resources to do it and where the priorities sit. Again, there's no doubt that from the global point of view, it is mostly important now that we keep the leadership where we have it, that we ambition in all markets. Specifically target the American consumer from America.
Speaker #2: All our responsible people in the markets should have the ambition of being number one. That doesn't mean we will be it, but it means that they have to identify what they would need to theoretically be number one, and then it is a priority for global then in what markets we have the resources to do it, and where the priorities sit.
Speaker #2: And again, it is no doubt that, from the global point of view, it is mostly important now that we keep the leadership where we have it, that we ambition in all markets, and then we, in addition to that, specifically target the American consumer, from America.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, for the people that are afraid that we will lose the control of the brand, you shouldn't be, because an adidas employee sitting in China or sitting in India or sitting in America is absolutely as much worth and should be as knowledgeable as a Norwegian sitting here in Germany. We have to, and unfortunately, we see it again, we are in a very, very fast changing environment. You have seen all these headlines. There are jobs being cut in Germany. There are conflicts that are terrible. That, of course, means again, that we need an extremely agile organization with people that are, A, allowed to make decisions and have the attitude of making decisions.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, for the people that are afraid that we will lose the control of the brand, you shouldn't be, because an adidas employee sitting in China or sitting in India or sitting in America is absolutely as much worth and should be as knowledgeable as a Norwegian sitting here in Germany. We have to, and unfortunately, we see it again, we are in a very, very fast changing environment. You have seen all these headlines. There are jobs being cut in Germany. There are conflicts that are terrible. That, of course, means again, that we need an extremely agile organization with people that are, A, allowed to make decisions and have the attitude of making decisions.
Speaker #2: And again, for the people that are afraid that we will lose control of the brand, you shouldn't be, because an adidas employee sitting in China, or sitting in India, or sitting in America is absolutely as much worth and should be as knowledgeable as a Norwegian sitting here in Germany.
Speaker #2: And then we have to, and, and unfortunately, we see it again, we are in a very, very fast-changing environment. and, you have seen all these headlines.
Speaker #2: There are jobs being cut in Germany. There are conflicts that are terrible. And that, of course, means again that we need an extremely agile organization with people that are A, allowed to make decisions and have the attitude of making decisions.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, you know, being a global brand with a local mindset is easy to say, but it also has to do with the people and the culture. I hope you agree that over the last three years, we have created brand heat and credibility in all our divisions, and we have connected much better with our consumer. We have taken leadership in many markets and in many categories. Of course, we are not where we think we should be at the end. We still have many things to improve. If you look at the sales increases of the adidas brand, you see that we have grown now twice 13%. If you really look at the real growth of the adidas brand, it's even much higher. You know, the brand growth of adidas was EUR five and a half billion.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, you know, being a global brand with a local mindset is easy to say, but it also has to do with the people and the culture. I hope you agree that over the last three years, we have created brand heat and credibility in all our divisions, and we have connected much better with our consumer. We have taken leadership in many markets and in many categories. Of course, we are not where we think we should be at the end. We still have many things to improve. If you look at the sales increases of the adidas brand, you see that we have grown now twice 13%. If you really look at the real growth of the adidas brand, it's even much higher. You know, the brand growth of adidas was EUR five and a half billion.
Speaker #2: And again, you know, being a global brand with a local mindset is easy to say, but it also has to do with the people and the culture.
Speaker #2: And I hope you agree that over the last three years, we have created brand heat and credibility in all our divisions, and we have connected much better with our consumer.
Speaker #2: We have taken leadership in many markets, and in many categories. But of course, we are not where we think we should be at the end.
Speaker #2: We still have many things, to improve. But if you look at the sales increases of the Adidas brand, you see that we have grown now twice, 13%.
Speaker #2: And if you really look at the real growth of the Adidas brand, it's even much higher. You know, the brand growth of Adidas was five and a half billion.
Bjørn Gulden: You have to remember that we lost EUR 1.3 billion of the Yeezy business, and we had an FX impact on our top line of almost EUR 2 billion. That, of course, then reduces this growth to be then only EUR 2.3 billion, when the original growth was actually EUR five and a half. I think it's important that you don't forget that. It is the same on the profit side. You know, we went from EUR 268 up to EUR 256, so more than EUR 2 billion in profit. If you look at adidas brand's operating profit growth is even EUR 2.3 billion on top of the EUR 669. The Yeezy business we lost contributed to EUR 700 million. The FX impact on the bottom line was EUR 300 million.
Bjørn Gulden: You have to remember that we lost EUR 1.3 billion of the Yeezy business, and we had an FX impact on our top line of almost EUR 2 billion. That, of course, then reduces this growth to be then only EUR 2.3 billion, when the original growth was actually EUR five and a half. I think it's important that you don't forget that. It is the same on the profit side. You know, we went from EUR 268 up to EUR 256, so more than EUR 2 billion in profit. If you look at adidas brand's operating profit growth is even EUR 2.3 billion on top of the EUR 669. The Yeezy business we lost contributed to EUR 700 million. The FX impact on the bottom line was EUR 300 million.
Speaker #2: Because then you have to remember that we lost 1.3 billion of the EC business, and we had an FX impact on our top line of almost 2 billion, and that, of course, then reduces, this growth to be then only 2.3 billion when the original growth was actually five and a half, I think it's important that you don't forget that.
Speaker #2: And it is the same on the profit side. You know, we went from 268 up to 2056, so more than 2 billion in profit.
Speaker #2: But again, if you look at the Adidas brand's operating profit growth, it's even 2.3 billion on top of the 669. The EC business we lost contributed to 700 million.
Speaker #2: The FX impact on the bottom line was 300 million, and then the tariffs that hit us in '25 were also 100 million, and that gives you then, you know, the reduction in the profit from what we really created.
Bjørn Gulden: The tariffs that hit us in 2025 were also EUR 100 million. That gives you then, you know, the reduction in the profit from what we really created. I think you need to give us some credibility for this because it's reality, and it's not really in our control. Again, I'm not saying that everything we do is great, but I'm saying we work for a fantastic company and a fantastic brand, and we have moved in the right direction, and we are very, very aware of what our challenges are. We believe in an operating model that empower more the markets, and of course, that has many, many, what should I say, tasks that we need to solve, but we think it's the only way.
Bjørn Gulden: The tariffs that hit us in 2025 were also EUR 100 million. That gives you then, you know, the reduction in the profit from what we really created. I think you need to give us some credibility for this because it's reality, and it's not really in our control. Again, I'm not saying that everything we do is great, but I'm saying we work for a fantastic company and a fantastic brand, and we have moved in the right direction, and we are very, very aware of what our challenges are. We believe in an operating model that empower more the markets, and of course, that has many, many, what should I say, tasks that we need to solve, but we think it's the only way.
Speaker #2: And I, and I think you need to give us some credibility for this because it's reality. And it's not really in our control. So again, I'm not saying that everything we do is great, but I'm saying we work for a fantastic company and a fantastic brand.
Speaker #2: And we have moved in the wire right direction, and we are very, very aware of what our challenges are. We believe in an operating model that empowers more of the markets, and of course, that has many, many what should I say, tasks that we need to solve, but we think it's the only way.
Bjørn Gulden: If you then look at the 26, the underlying growth for the adidas brand is actually EUR 2 billion. That is then, you know, the high single-digit growth that we talk about. Again, sitting in Europe, the FX impact will reduce the reported one by an estimate around EUR 800 to 900 million that we currently see. Again, this is just because we're sitting in a Euro land in Germany, and it's not operational. If you then look at the profit bridge, it's the same. You started with the 2.056, which we rounded here to 2.1. The underlying development that we promised you is actually EUR 650 million improvement. There are non-mitigated tariffs over EUR 200 million and an FX impact of around EUR 200 million that actually reduces this then by EUR 400 million.
Bjørn Gulden: If you then look at the 26, the underlying growth for the adidas brand is actually EUR 2 billion. That is then, you know, the high single-digit growth that we talk about. Again, sitting in Europe, the FX impact will reduce the reported one by an estimate around EUR 800 to 900 million that we currently see. Again, this is just because we're sitting in a Euro land in Germany, and it's not operational. If you then look at the profit bridge, it's the same. You started with the 2.056, which we rounded here to 2.1. The underlying development that we promised you is actually EUR 650 million improvement. There are non-mitigated tariffs over EUR 200 million and an FX impact of around EUR 200 million that actually reduces this then by EUR 400 million.
Speaker #2: If you then look at, '26, the underlying growth for the Adidas brand is actually 2 billion. and that is then, you know, the high single-digit growth that we talk about.
Speaker #2: But again, sitting in Europe the FX impact will reduce the reported one by an estimate around 8 to 9 hundred million that we currently see.
Speaker #2: And, and again, this is just because we're sitting in a euro land. In Germany, and it's not, operational. If you then look at the profit bridge, it's the same.
Speaker #2: You started with a 2056, which we rounded here to 2.1. The underlying development that we promised you is actually 650 million improvement. But then there are non-mitigated tariffs of a 200 million, and an FX, impact of around 200 million.
Speaker #2: That actually reduces this, then by 400 million. It is a little bit strange, but if that hadn't happened, and again, these two things are outside of our thing, you would actually be at the 10% EBIT, which was the number we talked about four or three and a half years ago.
Bjørn Gulden: It is a little bit strange, if that hadn't happened, again, these two things are outside of our thing, you would actually be at the 10% EBIT, which was the number we talked about 4 or 3.5 years ago. Again, not an excuse, but it is things that you have to have in our mind. When it gets to the tariffs, you could ask, So why can't you mitigate them all? Well, you cannot get the price increases through the market right now because of discounts. It doesn't help if you put up the price on the shoe box if discounts increases. I think it's fair to say in the American market and actually also in the US market, there's a lot of deals in the market from other brands that takes down the realized price.
Bjørn Gulden: It is a little bit strange, if that hadn't happened, again, these two things are outside of our thing, you would actually be at the 10% EBIT, which was the number we talked about 4 or 3.5 years ago. Again, not an excuse, but it is things that you have to have in our mind. When it gets to the tariffs, you could ask, So why can't you mitigate them all? Well, you cannot get the price increases through the market right now because of discounts. It doesn't help if you put up the price on the shoe box if discounts increases. I think it's fair to say in the American market and actually also in the US market, there's a lot of deals in the market from other brands that takes down the realized price.
Speaker #2: Again, not an excuse. But it is things that you have to have in our mind. When it gets to the tariffs, you could ask, "So why can't you mitigate them all?" Well, you cannot get the price increases through the market right now because of discounts.
Speaker #2: And it doesn't help if you put up the price on the shoe box if discounts increases. And I think it's fair to say in the American market, and actually also in the US market, there's a lot of deals in the market from other brands.
Speaker #2: That takes down, the realized, price. We also, in all these numbers that we talk about, have not adjusted any tariffs for the changes that you see in the last two weeks.
Bjørn Gulden: We also, in all these numbers that we talk about, have not adjusted any tariffs for the changes that you see in the last 2 weeks. The High Court's or the Supreme Court's decision that all the tariffs were illegal, we are not taking any positive things into these numbers. Also the lower rate of the 10% and 15% that they issued compared to the 19, 20 and other, this upside is also not in the numbers. If the Supreme Court's decision should be upheld and we could, what should I say, get back tariffs, you're talking about EUR 300 million to 400 million that we have paid of so-called illegal tariffs.
Bjørn Gulden: We also, in all these numbers that we talk about, have not adjusted any tariffs for the changes that you see in the last 2 weeks. The High Court's or the Supreme Court's decision that all the tariffs were illegal, we are not taking any positive things into these numbers. Also the lower rate of the 10% and 15% that they issued compared to the 19, 20 and other, this upside is also not in the numbers. If the Supreme Court's decision should be upheld and we could, what should I say, get back tariffs, you're talking about EUR 300 million to 400 million that we have paid of so-called illegal tariffs.
Speaker #2: And so the high courts, or the Supreme Court's decision that, the all the tariffs were illegal, we have not taken any positive things into these numbers.
Speaker #2: And also the lower rate of the 10 and 15 percent that, they issued compared to the 19, 20, and other, these upside is also not in the numbers.
Speaker #2: If, the Supreme Court's decision should be upheld, and we could, what should I say, get back tariffs, you're talking about three, four hundred million that we have paid of so-called illegal, tari tariffs.
Bjørn Gulden: I think we all know that there's a long way to get that back, and we are not accounting for it at this point in time, but there is an upside to it. With all that, our official guidance is high single-digit growth in local currencies and an operating profit on EBIT of EUR 2.3 billion with all the considerations that we have talked about. Again, I didn't have to repeat that, you know, in the four-year plan, we said healthy company, it was a 10% EBIT with the 50%, 52%, 12%, and 30%, which ironically is what we would actually hit if we didn't have the FX and the tariff thing in 2026. We actually believe that we have, from an operational point of view, delivered what we should do.
Bjørn Gulden: I think we all know that there's a long way to get that back, and we are not accounting for it at this point in time, but there is an upside to it. With all that, our official guidance is high single-digit growth in local currencies and an operating profit on EBIT of EUR 2.3 billion with all the considerations that we have talked about. Again, I didn't have to repeat that, you know, in the four-year plan, we said healthy company, it was a 10% EBIT with the 50%, 52%, 12%, and 30%, which ironically is what we would actually hit if we didn't have the FX and the tariff thing in 2026. We actually believe that we have, from an operational point of view, delivered what we should do.
Speaker #2: But I think we all know, that there's a long way to get that back, and we are not accounting for it at this point in time.
Speaker #2: But there is an upside to it. So with all that, our official guidance is that high single-digit growth in local currencies, and an operating profit on EBIT of 2.3, billion, with all the considerations that we have, talked about.
Speaker #2: And again, I then have to repeat again that, you know, in the four-year plan, we said healthy, company was a 10% EBIT. With the 50.
Speaker #2: 52, the 12, and the 30, which ironically is what we would actually hit, if we didn't have the FX and the tariff thing, in '26.
Speaker #2: So we actually believe, that we have from an operational point of view delivered what we should do, and, you know, what there is an upside after this in '27 and '28 that things will turn.
Bjørn Gulden: You know what? There is an upside after this in 27 and 28 that things will turn, and that's why we probably feel a little bit more comfortable than maybe some of you do. For 27 and 28, we want to stay a successful company, and to do that, we need to optimize our working model, and that means decrease complexity or increase simplicity, which is kind of the same thing, and then optimize both processes, systems, and, of course, the organization to also formally work towards this new world. We have broken a lot of internal processes and systems to actually be where we are because we have focused so hard on the consumer that we have not been able to catch up to actually formalize that.
Bjørn Gulden: You know what? There is an upside after this in 27 and 28 that things will turn, and that's why we probably feel a little bit more comfortable than maybe some of you do. For 27 and 28, we want to stay a successful company, and to do that, we need to optimize our working model, and that means decrease complexity or increase simplicity, which is kind of the same thing, and then optimize both processes, systems, and, of course, the organization to also formally work towards this new world. We have broken a lot of internal processes and systems to actually be where we are because we have focused so hard on the consumer that we have not been able to catch up to actually formalize that.
Speaker #2: And that's why we probably feel a little bit more comfortable, than maybe some of you do. For '27 and '28, we wanna stay a successful company.
Speaker #2: and to do that, we need to optimize our working model, and that means, decrease complexity or increase simplicity, which is kind of the same thing.
Speaker #2: And then optimize both processes, systems, and of course, the organization to also formally work towards this new world. Because we have broken a lot of internal processes and systems to actually be where we are.
Speaker #2: Because we have focused so hard on the consumer, that we have not been able to catch up to actually formalize that. and of course, that's a stress on both organization and systems.
Bjørn Gulden: Of course, that's a stress on both organization and systems and still, with quite some deficiencies. We think we have to do this to win in the new global real world, short and long term, because we don't believe that the world will go back again to be one global marketplace where everybody wants the same and where your supply chain can be one big systems that works on averages. We actually believe, unfortunately, that the complexity when it gets to consumer demand and supply chain will continue to be very complicated. We think the brands that maneuver through that the best way will actually win, and we want to win. When you look at then the period 25 through to 28, you know the results for 25.
Bjørn Gulden: Of course, that's a stress on both organization and systems and still, with quite some deficiencies. We think we have to do this to win in the new global real world, short and long term, because we don't believe that the world will go back again to be one global marketplace where everybody wants the same and where your supply chain can be one big systems that works on averages. We actually believe, unfortunately, that the complexity when it gets to consumer demand and supply chain will continue to be very complicated. We think the brands that maneuver through that the best way will actually win, and we want to win. When you look at then the period 25 through to 28, you know the results for 25.
Speaker #2: And still, with quite some disefficiencies. We, we think we have to do this to win in the new global real world, short and long term.
Speaker #2: Because we don't believe that the world will go back again to be one global marketplace where everybody wants the same, and where your supply chain can be one big systems that works on averages, we actually believe unfortunately, that the complexity when it gets to consumer demand and supply chain will continue to be very complicated.
Speaker #2: and we think the brands that, maneuver through that the best way will actually win. And we wanna win. So when you look at then the period '25 through to '28, you know the results for '25.
Bjørn Gulden: We told you that 2026 is high single-digit growth for the brand, EUR 2.3 billion in EBIT. We will continue to add around EUR 2 billion on the top line, that would then course with everything that we are aware of, around 10% EBIT in 2027. We think we can continue to do EUR 2 billion in increase also in 2028, that would then with some leverage, then actually be EBIT margin about 10%. Again, I think it's important that we don't only talk percentages because the percentage we don't sell, we actually sell, you know, money or gain money. I think you agree that EUR 2 billion yearly growth is more important than a percentage number. That means, that, you know, from a operating profit point of view, you are in the mid-teens CAGR.
Bjørn Gulden: We told you that 2026 is high single-digit growth for the brand, EUR 2.3 billion in EBIT. We will continue to add around EUR 2 billion on the top line, that would then course with everything that we are aware of, around 10% EBIT in 2027. We think we can continue to do EUR 2 billion in increase also in 2028, that would then with some leverage, then actually be EBIT margin about 10%. Again, I think it's important that we don't only talk percentages because the percentage we don't sell, we actually sell, you know, money or gain money. I think you agree that EUR 2 billion yearly growth is more important than a percentage number. That means, that, you know, from a operating profit point of view, you are in the mid-teens CAGR.
Speaker #2: We told you that '26 is high single-digit growth for the brand, 2.3 billion in an EBIT. we will continue to add around 2 billion on the top line, and that would then course with everything that we are aware of, around 10% EBIT in '27.
Speaker #2: We think we can continue to do 2 billion in increase, also in '28. And that would then, with some leverage, then actually be, EBIT margin about 10%.
Speaker #2: And again, I think it's important that we don't only talk percentages because the percentage we don't sell. We actually sell, you know, money, or gain money.
Speaker #2: And I think you agree that 2 billion yearly growth, is more important than a percentage number. That means, that, you know, from a from a operating profit point of view, you are in the mid-teens CAGR.
Bjørn Gulden: That will of course, if we execute properly and the world are somewhat stable, generate a very strong cash flow. In addition to the share buyback we announced for 2026, we have been authorized by the supervisory board to actually buy back shares up to EUR 1 billion each year. I think that's also what you can expect should we be able to do what we think we should, and of course, in a world that is somewhat working stable. We have not talked about the Capital Markets Day to showcase what we do, because we have said we wanna focus in the next months on really getting ready for the World Cup.
Bjørn Gulden: That will of course, if we execute properly and the world are somewhat stable, generate a very strong cash flow. In addition to the share buyback we announced for 2026, we have been authorized by the supervisory board to actually buy back shares up to EUR 1 billion each year. I think that's also what you can expect should we be able to do what we think we should, and of course, in a world that is somewhat working stable. We have not talked about the Capital Markets Day to showcase what we do, because we have said we wanna focus in the next months on really getting ready for the World Cup.
Speaker #2: And that will, of course, if we execute properly and the world is somewhat stable, generate a very strong cash flow. And in addition to the share buyback we announced for '26, we have been authorized by the supervisory board to actually buy back shares up to €1 billion each year.
Speaker #2: And I think that's also what you could expect. Should we be able to do what we think we should? And of course, in a world that is somewhat working, stable.
Speaker #2: We have not talked about the capital markets day to showcase what we do, because we have said we wanna focus in the next months, or really getting ready for the World Cup.
Bjørn Gulden: Yes, there are certainly currently in Middle East are asking some questions, but I'm pretty sure that it will be a very successful World Cup, and we have a lot of work to do to make sure that we will show up and that all our marketing that actually starts very soon, are going to be as good as we want it to be. We would then to showcase the confidence that we have after World Cup, invite you in September, I think the preliminary date is the 23rd and 24th, to actually show you the pipeline of innovation and product going forward. There's a lot of innovation, especially in the performance product, but of course also in lifestyle, that I think you will be interesting to see.
Bjørn Gulden: Yes, there are certainly currently in Middle East are asking some questions, but I'm pretty sure that it will be a very successful World Cup, and we have a lot of work to do to make sure that we will show up and that all our marketing that actually starts very soon, are going to be as good as we want it to be. We would then to showcase the confidence that we have after World Cup, invite you in September, I think the preliminary date is the 23rd and 24th, to actually show you the pipeline of innovation and product going forward. There's a lot of innovation, especially in the performance product, but of course also in lifestyle, that I think you will be interesting to see.
Speaker #2: Yes, the uncertainty currently in the Middle East are asking some questions. but I'm pretty sure that there will be a very successful World Cup, and, and we have a lot of work to do, to make sure, that we will show up.
Speaker #2: And that all our marketing that actually starts very soon, are going to be, as good as we want it to be. But we would then to showcase the confidence, that we have after World Cup, invite you in September.
Speaker #2: I think the preliminary date is the 23rd and 24th to actually show you the pipeline of innovation and product going forward. Because there's a lot of innovation, especially in the performance product, but of course, also in lifestyle, that I think you would be interesting to see.
Bjørn Gulden: We will call it an innovation day and invite you, and I'm sure Sebastian Steffen will inform you about that in the near future. I think that's kind of the story. I think you saw in the announcement a couple of other what should I announcement. One is that Thomas Rabe, you know, has been our Chairman for a long time and which I think we all have worked very well with, has told us that he will resign as the Chairman by the AGM. Again, I think we're all very thankful, at least in the time that I've been here, we've had a very, very good and close relationship, and I wish him all the best. We have, you know, been able to talk Nassef Sawiris to be our Chairman.
Bjørn Gulden: We will call it an innovation day and invite you, and I'm sure Sebastian Steffen will inform you about that in the near future. I think that's kind of the story. I think you saw in the announcement a couple of other what should I announcement. One is that Thomas Rabe, you know, has been our Chairman for a long time and which I think we all have worked very well with, has told us that he will resign as the Chairman by the AGM. Again, I think we're all very thankful, at least in the time that I've been here, we've had a very, very good and close relationship, and I wish him all the best. We have, you know, been able to talk Nassef Sawiris to be our Chairman.
Speaker #2: So, we would call it an Innovation Day, and invite you, and I'm sure Sebastian will inform you about that in the near future. I think that's kind of the story.
Speaker #2: I think you saw in the announcement a couple of other, what should I announcement. one is that Thomas, which, you know, has been our chairman for a long time, and which I think we all have worked very well with, has told us that he will resign as a chairman, by the AGM.
Speaker #2: and again, I think we already thankful, at least in the time that I've been here, we've had a very, very good and close relationship.
Speaker #2: And I wish him all the, the best. We have then, you know, been able, to talk Nassef Saviris, to be our chairman. I mean, he's been with the company for a long, long time.
Bjørn Gulden: I mean, he's been with the company for a long, long time. He's a big fan of the brand, he's very interested in our industry, very knowledgeable, and again, a person that we have worked with for a long time and look forward to. We hope that he will be confirmed, you know, at the AGM. Ian Gallienne, we hope will be reelected, same profile and extremely close to the brand. As a new member, the proposal is Mathias Döpfner, who will bring a lot of expertise and a global knowledge that I think will do our board well.
Bjørn Gulden: I mean, he's been with the company for a long, long time. He's a big fan of the brand, he's very interested in our industry, very knowledgeable, and again, a person that we have worked with for a long time and look forward to. We hope that he will be confirmed, you know, at the AGM. Ian Gallienne, we hope will be reelected, same profile and extremely close to the brand. As a new member, the proposal is Mathias Döpfner, who will bring a lot of expertise and a global knowledge that I think will do our board well.
Speaker #2: He's a big fan of the brand. he's very interested in our industry. Very knowledgeable, and again, a person that we have worked with for a long time and look forward to.
Speaker #2: So we hope, that he will be confirmed, you know, at the AGM. Ian Gallien, we hope will be reelected. Same profile and extremely close to the brand.
Speaker #2: And then as a new member, the proposal is Matthias Döpfner, who, who will bring a lot of expertise, and a global knowledge that I think will do our board well.
Bjørn Gulden: We all look forward to work with these people, and at the same time, wish Thomas all the best. In addition to that, I think we're all extremely happy that Michelle agreed, you know, to extend her contract. She is a long-term adidas employee, knows the industry, has a great heart for our people and a really good understanding of what is needed and works very close with all of us. Not only congratulations, but thank you. Yes, you can get rid of me again. I will stay around because I don't know what else to do, and I feel energized, and I feel I can bring something. Again, it is an honor actually to sit with the three stripes and be part of it also for the future.
Bjørn Gulden: We all look forward to work with these people, and at the same time, wish Thomas all the best. In addition to that, I think we're all extremely happy that Michelle agreed, you know, to extend her contract. She is a long-term adidas employee, knows the industry, has a great heart for our people and a really good understanding of what is needed and works very close with all of us. Not only congratulations, but thank you. Yes, you can get rid of me again. I will stay around because I don't know what else to do, and I feel energized, and I feel I can bring something. Again, it is an honor actually to sit with the three stripes and be part of it also for the future.
Speaker #2: and, we all look forward to work, with these people, and at the same time, wish Thomas, all the best. In addition to that, I think we're all extremely happy that Michel, agreed, you know, to extend her contract, she is a long-term Adidas employee, knows the industry, has a great, great heart for our people, and a really good understanding of what is needed.
Speaker #2: and works very close with all of us. so not only congratulations, but, thank you. And then yes, you can get the rhythm here again.
Speaker #2: I will stay around, because I don't know what else to do. And I feel energized, and I feel I can bring something. and again, it is an honor actually to, sit with the three stripes and be part of it also for the future.
Bjørn Gulden: I wouldn't do it if I didn't believe that we have a great future, and I can contribute, at least for another, what should I say, time period. I think with that, I'll hand back again to you, Seb. We see where we go from there.
Bjørn Gulden: I wouldn't do it if I didn't believe that we have a great future, and I can contribute, at least for another, what should I say, time period. I think with that, I'll hand back again to you, Seb. We see where we go from there.
Speaker #2: and I wouldn't do it if I didn't believe, that we have a great future and I can contribute, at least for, another, what should I say, time period.
Speaker #2: I think with that, I'll hand back again, to you, Seb, and then we see where we go from there. Yeah. Thanks very much, Björn and Harm, and of course, also congratulations, to Björn.
Sebastian Steffen: Yeah. Thanks very much, Björn and Harmon. Of course, also congratulations to Björn. Maura, we're now ready to take questions.
Sebastian Steffen: Yeah. Thanks very much, Björn and Harm. Of course, also congratulations to Björn. Maura, we're now ready to take questions.
Speaker #2: Maura, we're now ready to take questions.
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Edouard Aubin: Yeah, good afternoon. Indeed, congratulations, Bjørn, for getting your contract extended. Two for me on the top line, actually. The first one is on lifestyle, which was still up 3% year-over-year in the Q4. You mentioned in the preliminary remarks that Terrace was still strong, if I understood correctly, but maybe it was strong but negative year-over-year. If that's the case, you know, which kind of other franchises more than offset this headwind? Looking ahead, how do you see the different, you know, lifestyle franchise evolving in 2026? That's question number one. Question number two, and sorry to go into the granularities of the guidance. Apologies.
Edouard Aubin: Yeah, good afternoon. Indeed, congratulations, Bjørn, for getting your contract extended. Two for me on the top line, actually. The first one is on lifestyle, which was still up 3% year-over-year in the Q4. You mentioned in the preliminary remarks that Terrace was still strong, if I understood correctly, but maybe it was strong but negative year-over-year. If that's the case, you know, which kind of other franchises more than offset this headwind? Looking ahead, how do you see the different, you know, lifestyle franchise evolving in 2026? That's question number one. Question number two, and sorry to go into the granularities of the guidance. Apologies.
Speaker #3: Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Good afternoon. And indeed, congratulations, Björn, for getting your contract extended. So two for me on the top line, actually. The, the first one is on lifestyle, which was still up 3% year over year in the in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #4: you mentioned in the preliminary remarks that, TERAS was, still strong, if I understood correctly. But maybe it was strong, but negative year over year.
Speaker #4: if that's the case, you know, which kind of other franchises, more than offset, you know, these, these headwind? A-and looking ahead, how do you see the, the different, you know, lifestyle franchise evolving in '26?
Speaker #4: So that's question number one. And then question number two, and sorry to go into the maybe the granularities of the guidance, apologies, but if you look at, you know, the, benefit from the World Cup, Björn, I think in the past you had kind of comment the 1 billion euro type of top line.
Edouard Aubin: If you look at, you know, the benefit from the World Cup, Björn, I think in the past you had kind of comment the EUR 1 billion type of top line. I know you already had some in 2025, as for my calculation, would help about the top line 3% in 2026. If I'm right with the math, you know, that would imply kind of a mid-single digit X World Cup in 2026 and then reaccelerating in 2027 and 2028. If that's the case, kind of what makes you confident that you will have a reacceleration in 2027 and 2028? Thank you.
Edouard Aubin: If you look at, you know, the benefit from the World Cup, Björn, I think in the past you had kind of comment the EUR 1 billion type of top line. I know you already had some in 2025, as for my calculation, would help about the top line 3% in 2026. If I'm right with the math, you know, that would imply kind of a mid-single digit X World Cup in 2026 and then reaccelerating in 2027 and 2028. If that's the case, kind of what makes you confident that you will have a reacceleration in 2027 and 2028? Thank you.
Speaker #4: I know you already had some in, in '25, but as for my calculation, would help about the top line 3% in '26. So, if, if I'm right with the math, you know, that would imply kind of a mid-single digit ex-World Cup in '26, and then re-accelerating in '27 and '28.
Speaker #4: and if that's the case, kind of what makes you confident that you would have a re-acceleration in '27 and '28? Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: I'll start with the second first. You know, when you have EUR 1 billion in World Cup product, it doesn't mean that that doesn't cannibalize something else. You know, in a merchandise, it's always like when you sell a lot of a national team, you will sell less of some clubs. You have to be careful to believe that one sale is kind of just on top. If you think about a store that has four walls, where there are World Cup products now, there will be other products next year. Last year there were other products. When we talk about the business, you can't just plug in that business and saying everything is equal.
Bjørn Gulden: I'll start with the second first. You know, when you have EUR 1 billion in World Cup product, it doesn't mean that that doesn't cannibalize something else. You know, in a merchandise, it's always like when you sell a lot of a national team, you will sell less of some clubs. You have to be careful to believe that one sale is kind of just on top. If you think about a store that has four walls, where there are World Cup products now, there will be other products next year. Last year there were other products. When we talk about the business, you can't just plug in that business and saying everything is equal.
Speaker #5: I'll, I'll start with the second first. you know, when you have a billion, in World Cup product, it doesn't mean that that doesn't cannibalize something else, you know?
Speaker #5: In merchandise, it's always like, when you sell a lot of a national team, you will sell less of some club. So you have to be careful to believe that one sale is kind of just on top.
Speaker #5: If you think about a store, that has four walls, where there are World Cup products now, there would be other products next year. And last year, there were other products.
Speaker #5: So when we talk about the business, you can't just plug in that business and saying everything is equal. so we are very confident that, yes, the World Cup is part of it, and a billion, you do the math and you say it's 3%, yes.
Bjørn Gulden: We are very confident that, yes, the World Cup is part of it, and EUR 1 billion, you do the math and you say it's 3%, yes. It doesn't mean that the 3% is then missing when we get into 2027, because it doesn't work like that. We are confident that we can take any event, or any merchandising team, and we can replace businesses as we go ahead. There isn't any, what should I say, hole in the collection for 2027 that doesn't give us the confidence. When it gets to your question about the headwind, I think it's a little bit tough to talk about headwind. We have generated a lifestyle business that I think grew 12%, you know, for the full year, and I think everybody has been surprised by the longevity of Terrace.
Bjørn Gulden: We are very confident that, yes, the World Cup is part of it, and EUR 1 billion, you do the math and you say it's 3%, yes. It doesn't mean that the 3% is then missing when we get into 2027, because it doesn't work like that. We are confident that we can take any event, or any merchandising team, and we can replace businesses as we go ahead. There isn't any, what should I say, hole in the collection for 2027 that doesn't give us the confidence. When it gets to your question about the headwind, I think it's a little bit tough to talk about headwind. We have generated a lifestyle business that I think grew 12%, you know, for the full year, and I think everybody has been surprised by the longevity of Terrace.
Speaker #5: But it doesn't mean that the 3% is then missing when we get into '27, because it doesn't work like that. so we are confident that we can take any event, or any merchandising team, and we can replace businesses as we go ahead.
Speaker #5: So, so, so there isn't any, what should I say, hole in the collection for '27 that doesn't give us the confidence. When it gets to your question about the headwind, I think it's a little bit headwind.
Speaker #5: We have generated a lifestyle business that I think grew 12%, you know, for the full year. And I think everybody has been surprised by the longevity of TERAS.
Bjørn Gulden: We have, of course, not believed that we will grow Terrace double digit every quarter for the next 10 years. We have said that we are launching, you know, newness in Terrace, and we're launching a lot of silhouettes in addition to it to grow the lifestyle business over time. What we also told you was that when we have created the heat on footwear, there is a time when we will be ready to also grow in apparel, because you need to also grow in both areas, right? Maybe with different, timing. You know, with luck or good planning or execution, the second half accelerated the lifestyle part of apparel. When you know that footwear is almost 60% and apparel is mid-thirties, it is obvious for a while that you can grow then apparel quicker, than footwear.
Bjørn Gulden: We have, of course, not believed that we will grow Terrace double digit every quarter for the next 10 years. We have said that we are launching, you know, newness in Terrace, and we're launching a lot of silhouettes in addition to it to grow the lifestyle business over time. What we also told you was that when we have created the heat on footwear, there is a time when we will be ready to also grow in apparel, because you need to also grow in both areas, right? Maybe with different, timing. You know, with luck or good planning or execution, the second half accelerated the lifestyle part of apparel. When you know that footwear is almost 60% and apparel is mid-thirties, it is obvious for a while that you can grow then apparel quicker, than footwear.
Speaker #5: and we have, of course, not believed that we will grow TERAS double digit every quarter for the next 10 years. We have said that we are, launching, you know, newness in TERAS, and we're launching a lot of silhouettes in addition to it to grow the lifestyle business over time.
Speaker #5: And what we also told you was that when we have created the heat on footwear, there is a time when we will be ready to also grow in apparel because you need to also grow in both areas, right?
Speaker #5: Maybe with different, timing. And, you know, with luck or good planning or execution, the second half accelerated the lifestyle part of apparel. And when you know that footwear is mid-30s, it is obvious for a while that you can grow then apparel quicker, than footwear.
Bjørn Gulden: When you look at the franchises, Terrace is of course stagnating, but it's still at an extremely high level. I think you see it in the stores and you see it in the street. We said we were extending court into Campus, into Superstar, and eventually even into Stan Smith. I think, you know, yes, many people would say, Oh, Superstar is not working that well. Well, Superstar is not only a shoe. Superstar campaign is a look. It's also an apparel collection that is doing excellent. When you look at Kendall Jenner, the way she's dressing, that is a whole statement for the brand. It might be that Superstar is not going to be the biggest shoe in the next, I would say, quarters.
Bjørn Gulden: When you look at the franchises, Terrace is of course stagnating, but it's still at an extremely high level. I think you see it in the stores and you see it in the street. We said we were extending court into Campus, into Superstar, and eventually even into Stan Smith. I think, you know, yes, many people would say, Oh, Superstar is not working that well. Well, Superstar is not only a shoe. Superstar campaign is a look. It's also an apparel collection that is doing excellent. When you look at Kendall Jenner, the way she's dressing, that is a whole statement for the brand. It might be that Superstar is not going to be the biggest shoe in the next, I would say, quarters.
Speaker #5: When you look at the franchises, then TERAS is, of course, stagnating, but it's still at an extremely high level. I think you see it in the stores, and you see it in the street.
Speaker #5: Then we said we were extending court into campus, into Superstar, and eventually, even into Stansmit. and I think, you know, yes, many people were saying, "Oh, Superstar is not working that well." Well, Superstar is not only a shoe.
Speaker #5: Superstar campaign is a look, so it's also an apparel collection that is doing excellent. And when you look at Kendall Jenner, the way she's dressing—that is a whole statement for the brand.
Speaker #5: So it might be that Superstar is not going to be the biggest shoe in the next, I would say, quarters, but the court side of the business, if you add, you know, TERAS, if you add Superstar, and then the introduction of Stansmit, you will see that the dominance of Adidas on the court side will continue.
Bjørn Gulden: The court side of the business, if you add, you know, Terrace, if you add Superstar, then the introduction of Stan Smith, you will see that the dominance of adidas on the court side will continue. What no one talks about more is that, you know, the low-profile piece is an extension of that. I don't need to tell you when the weather went warm now, I mean, Ballerinas was going through the sky. I'm not worried that we don't have the pipeline of classics to actually continue to grow, especially on the court side. When it gets to the running lifestyle side, I have to admit that there has been older brands. I mean, New Balance with the Retro, ASICS with the Retro, and HOKA and only the comfort, that, of course, has been more dominant.
Bjørn Gulden: The court side of the business, if you add, you know, Terrace, if you add Superstar, then the introduction of Stan Smith, you will see that the dominance of adidas on the court side will continue. What no one talks about more is that, you know, the low-profile piece is an extension of that. I don't need to tell you when the weather went warm now, I mean, Ballerinas was going through the sky. I'm not worried that we don't have the pipeline of classics to actually continue to grow, especially on the court side. When it gets to the running lifestyle side, I have to admit that there has been older brands. I mean, New Balance with the Retro, ASICS with the Retro, and HOKA and only the comfort, that, of course, has been more dominant.
Speaker #5: And then what no one talks about more is that, you know, the low-profile piece is an extension of that. And I don't need to tell you when the weather, went, warm now.
Speaker #5: I mean, ballerinas was going through the sky. So I'm not worried that we don't have the pipeline of classics to actually continue to grow.
Speaker #5: Especially on the court side. When it gets to the running, lifestyle side, then I have to admit that there have been other brands. I mean, I mean, New Balance with the retro, ASICS with the retro, and Hoka and On with the comfort that, of course, has been more dominant.
Bjørn Gulden: We said that we need to bring newness, and we didn't have the right silhouettes. We've done quite some business on retro too, and that's why, you know, the whole Hyperboost is so important because that is the extension of performance into lifestyle that we've been looking for. Remember, again, I wasn't here, so other people should take the success. Shoes like NMD, UltraBoost, and everything we did with our friend at Yeezy was clearly because also of the Boost form. We think we have engineered, you know, the products to be successful. Then again, not everything can grow higher than average. It doesn't work. That's why we think that the growth we had during the year was very healthy. We see where we are now in Q1.
Bjørn Gulden: We said that we need to bring newness, and we didn't have the right silhouettes. We've done quite some business on retro too, and that's why, you know, the whole Hyperboost is so important because that is the extension of performance into lifestyle that we've been looking for. Remember, again, I wasn't here, so other people should take the success. Shoes like NMD, UltraBoost, and everything we did with our friend at Yeezy was clearly because also of the Boost form. We think we have engineered, you know, the products to be successful. Then again, not everything can grow higher than average. It doesn't work. That's why we think that the growth we had during the year was very healthy. We see where we are now in Q1.
Speaker #5: we, said that we need to bring newness, and we didn't have the right silhouettes. We've done quite some business on retro too. And that's why, you know, the whole hyper boost is so important because that is the extension of performance into lifestyle that we've been looking for.
Speaker #5: And remember, again, I wasn't here, so other people should take the success. But shoes like NMD, Ultra Boost, and everything we did with our friend, Yeezy, was clearly, clearly because also of the boost form.
Speaker #5: So we think we have engineered, you know, the products to be successful. and then again, not everything can grow higher than average. It doesn't work.
Speaker #5: and that's why we think that the growth we had during the year was very healthy. we see where we are now in Q1. so we feel, you know, except for the circumstances right now when it gets to the terrible thing happening in the Middle East, we actually feel that the pipeline of product and what's going into market is very, very strong.
Bjørn Gulden: We feel, you know, except for the circumstances right now, when it gets to the terrible thing happening in Middle East, we actually feel that the pipeline of product and what's going into market is very, very strong. Yeah, we feel comfortable.
Bjørn Gulden: We feel, you know, except for the circumstances right now, when it gets to the terrible thing happening in Middle East, we actually feel that the pipeline of product and what's going into market is very, very strong. Yeah, we feel comfortable.
Speaker #5: So, yeah, we feel comfortable.
Erwan Rambourg: Okay, great. Thanks.
Edouard Aubin: Okay, great. Thanks.
Speaker #6: Okay. Great. Thanks.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Erwan Rambourg from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Erwan Rambourg from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Next question comes from the line of Erwin Ramburg from HSBC. Please go ahead.
Erwan Rambourg: Yeah. Hi, good afternoon, gentlemen. I'd like to add my congrats to Bjørn for sticking around for longer if I could put it that way. I'll stick to two. China, very fast-growing in Q4 last year. Does this continue? Are you seeing any change in the landscape vis-à-vis local competition? Is there a reason for China to continue to outperform other markets? Naively, I get the sense that football might be more relevant for LATAM and Europe than it might be for China, but I might be wrong on that. Any sense on whether China continues to outperform? Second question, possibly more for Harm, in terms of margin expansion.
Erwan Rambourg: Yeah. Hi, good afternoon, gentlemen. I'd like to add my congrats to Bjørn for sticking around for longer if I could put it that way. I'll stick to two. China, very fast-growing in Q4 last year. Does this continue? Are you seeing any change in the landscape vis-à-vis local competition? Is there a reason for China to continue to outperform other markets? Naively, I get the sense that football might be more relevant for LATAM and Europe than it might be for China, but I might be wrong on that. Any sense on whether China continues to outperform? Second question, possibly more for Harm, in terms of margin expansion.
Speaker #8: Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon, gentlemen. And, I'd like to add my, congrats to Bjorn for sticking around for longer, if I can put it that way.
Speaker #8: so I'll stick to two. China, very fast-growing in Q4 last year. does this continue? Are, are you seeing any change in the landscape, vis-à-vis local com-competition?
Speaker #8: And is there a reason for China to continue to outperform other markets? naively, I get the sense that football might be more relevant for LATAM in Europe than it might be for China, but I might be wrong on that.
Speaker #8: Any, any sense on, on, whether China continues to outperform? And then second question, possibly more for Harm, in terms of margin expansion, if you look the, you know, the two, three years out that you detailed, if you look at, gross margin expansion versus operating leverage, I suspect given what you're mentioning about tariffs and FX, gross margin might not contribute that much this year, but maybe.
Erwan Rambourg: If you look the, you know, the 2, 3 years out that you detailed, if you look at gross margin expansion versus operating leverage, I suspect, given what you're mentioning about tariffs and FX, gross margin might not contribute that much this year. Maybe you have a more balanced contribution from gross margin expansion and operating leverage in the outer years. Is that the way to think about it? Maybe if you can help us think about the different buckets. Thank you.
Erwan Rambourg: If you look the, you know, the 2, 3 years out that you detailed, if you look at gross margin expansion versus operating leverage, I suspect, given what you're mentioning about tariffs and FX, gross margin might not contribute that much this year. Maybe you have a more balanced contribution from gross margin expansion and operating leverage in the outer years. Is that the way to think about it? Maybe if you can help us think about the different buckets. Thank you.
Speaker #8: You have a more balanced, contribution from gross margin expansion and operating leverage in the outer years. Is that the way to think about it?
Speaker #8: Maybe if you can help us, think about the different buckets. Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: I think you're right that, you know, football and the World Cup in China is not a game-changing thing. We see that the Chinese business is built on lifestyle. It's also built on running, and it's built on silhouettes that not necessarily is linked to football. Although the soccer culture is actually doing also pretty well in China. We are extremely confident with the development in China because our team has really found a business model where they both develop and design their own stuff, but they also tweak, you know, global stuff. Because you can produce in the local market, in the factories, and as you know, the Chinese retail market is mono-branded, where you control the space, even if you don't own the stores.
Bjørn Gulden: I think you're right that, you know, football and the World Cup in China is not a game-changing thing. We see that the Chinese business is built on lifestyle. It's also built on running, and it's built on silhouettes that not necessarily is linked to football. Although the soccer culture is actually doing also pretty well in China. We are extremely confident with the development in China because our team has really found a business model where they both develop and design their own stuff, but they also tweak, you know, global stuff. Because you can produce in the local market, in the factories, and as you know, the Chinese retail market is mono-branded, where you control the space, even if you don't own the stores.
Speaker #9: I think you're right that, you know, football and the World Cup in China is not a game-changing thing. We see that the Chinese business is built on lifestyle.
Speaker #9: It's also built on running, and it's built on silhouettes that are not necessarily linked to football, although the soccer culture is actually doing also pretty well in China.
Speaker #9: We are extremely confident with the development in China, because our team has really found a business model where they both develop and design their own stuff, but they also tweak, you know, global stuff.
Speaker #9: and because you can produce in the local market in the factories, and as you know, the Chinese retail market is monobranded, where you control the space, even if you don't own the stores.
Bjørn Gulden: I think that's the business model where we have most the tools to actually be successful. The local brands, you know, have made huge improvements when you go back to the time after COVID. You probably remember also that Western brands were struggling with all the conflict coming from the Xinjiang cotton issue. Since then, I would say that we have answered in a way that we have focused on the Chinese consumer through our Chinese organization, giving them freedom and support to actually compete on the same level. Remember, our management in China are Chinese. They are adidas people that used to work for us, that then left and worked for Chinese brands and then came back again, so they understand the model.
Bjørn Gulden: I think that's the business model where we have most the tools to actually be successful. The local brands, you know, have made huge improvements when you go back to the time after COVID. You probably remember also that Western brands were struggling with all the conflict coming from the Xinjiang cotton issue. Since then, I would say that we have answered in a way that we have focused on the Chinese consumer through our Chinese organization, giving them freedom and support to actually compete on the same level. Remember, our management in China are Chinese. They are adidas people that used to work for us, that then left and worked for Chinese brands and then came back again, so they understand the model.
Speaker #9: I think that's the business model where we have most tools to actually be successful. The local brands, you know, have made huge, improvements when you go back to the time after COVID.
Speaker #9: You probably remember also that Western brands were struggling with all the conflict, coming from the Xinjiang cotton issue. Since then, I would say that we have answered, in a way, that we have focused on the Chinese consumer, to our Chinese organization, giving them freedom and support to actually compete on the same level.
Speaker #9: and remember, our management in China are Chinese. They are leaders people that used to work for us. that then left and worked for Chinese brands and then came back again, so they understand the model.
Bjørn Gulden: I am actually, if I should look at it, probably most confident in the Chinese market, compared to any other markets, because I'm not sure what negativity should actually hit China, to be honest. I think that China will continue to outperform. And as you know, it's a pretty profitable market. And again, very, very happy with the development. Then I think, I'm handing over to you, Harm.
Bjørn Gulden: I am actually, if I should look at it, probably most confident in the Chinese market, compared to any other markets, because I'm not sure what negativity should actually hit China, to be honest. I think that China will continue to outperform. And as you know, it's a pretty profitable market. And again, very, very happy with the development. Then I think, I'm handing over to you, Harm.
Speaker #9: So, I—I am actually, if I should look at it, probably most confident with the Chinese market compared to any other markets, because I'm not sure what negativity should actually hit China, to be honest.
Speaker #9: so, I, I'm I, I think that China will continue to outperform, and as you know, it's a it's a pretty profitable market. and, and, and again, very, very happy with the development.
Speaker #9: And then I think I'm handing over to you, Harm.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Yeah. Thanks, Erwan. A very good question. I start probably with the gross margin. You're absolutely right. I mean, 26, what we indicated earlier, we have, you know, EUR 200 million in tariffs.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Yeah. Thanks, Erwan. A very good question. I start probably with the gross margin. You're absolutely right. I mean, 26, what we indicated earlier, we have, you know, EUR 200 million in tariffs.
Speaker #6: Yeah, thanks, Erwin. A very good question. And I'll start probably with the gross margin. You're absolutely right. I mean, '26, what we indicated earlier, we have, you know, $200 million in tariffs.
Bjørn Gulden: That we have in the gross margin, and it's EUR 100 million more than in 2025, and we have a EUR 100 million transactional FX impact in the margin. That's why we look at 2026 as being more, you know, stable compared to 2025. That shows you already that operationally we make good progress and they're not gonna go entertain the discounting or promotion that other brands are doing. Otherwise it can't be done. Also rest assured, we know exactly how we have hedged for 2027 already, especially for spring, summer. We started early also when the, you know, US dollar was, you know, pretty weak and weaker than today, going into fall, winter 2027 already, which is earlier than usual. We know that we have a very good gross margin going into 2027.
Bjørn Gulden: That we have in the gross margin, and it's EUR 100 million more than in 2025, and we have a EUR 100 million transactional FX impact in the margin. That's why we look at 2026 as being more, you know, stable compared to 2025. That shows you already that operationally we make good progress and they're not gonna go entertain the discounting or promotion that other brands are doing. Otherwise it can't be done. Also rest assured, we know exactly how we have hedged for 2027 already, especially for spring, summer. We started early also when the, you know, US dollar was, you know, pretty weak and weaker than today, going into fall, winter 2027 already, which is earlier than usual. We know that we have a very good gross margin going into 2027.
Speaker #6: that, that we have in the gross margin. And it's 100 million more than in, in, in 25. And we have 100 million transactional FX impact in the margin.
Speaker #6: So, that's why we look at 26 as being more of, you know, stable compared to 25. That shows you already that operationally we make good progress.
Speaker #6: And they're not going to go entertain the discounting or promotion that other brands are doing. Otherwise, it can't be done. But also, rest assured, we know exactly how we have hedged for '27 already, especially for spring/summer.
Speaker #6: But we started early also in the, you know, dollar was, you know, pretty weak and weaker than today. Going into fall, winter '27 already, which is earlier than usual.
Speaker #6: So we know that we have a very, very good gross margin going into '27. That's the gross margin piece. So you're absolutely right, stable in '26.
Bjørn Gulden: That's the gross margin piece. You're absolutely right. Stable in 26, you know, benefits in 27. On the operating overhead leverage, you saw was a 31.4%. We are not yet where we want to be with the 30% or lower. We'll definitely make progress here in 26 and we'll continue to make progress into 27 as well to get, you know, eventually to that 30% or lower. You also need to see now it's becoming a ratio game. Of course, when you lose EUR 1 billion in top line and you have a lot of, you know, operating overheads, in euro, it's tougher to hit the ratio, right? That's also part of the equation.
Bjørn Gulden: That's the gross margin piece. You're absolutely right. Stable in 26, you know, benefits in 27. On the operating overhead leverage, you saw was a 31.4%. We are not yet where we want to be with the 30% or lower. We'll definitely make progress here in 26 and we'll continue to make progress into 27 as well to get, you know, eventually to that 30% or lower. You also need to see now it's becoming a ratio game. Of course, when you lose EUR 1 billion in top line and you have a lot of, you know, operating overheads, in euro, it's tougher to hit the ratio, right? That's also part of the equation.
Speaker #6: You know, benefits in 27, and on the operating overhead leverage, you saw it was at 31.4%. We are not yet where we want to be.
Speaker #6: We see 30% or lower. So we'll definitely make progress here in 26. And, and we'll continue to make progress into 27 as well to get, you know, eventually to that 30% or lower.
Speaker #6: You also need to see now, it's becoming a ratio game. Of course, when you lose a billion in top line, and you have a lot of, you know, operating overheads in euro, it's tougher to hit the ratio, right?
Speaker #6: So, that's also part of the, the equation. But that also leads me to the third topic, as, Bjorn indicated that we lost, you know, almost 2 billion, in translation impact on the top line.
Bjørn Gulden: That also leads me to the third topic, as Björn indicated, that we lost, you know, almost EUR 2 billion in translation impact on the top line. I mean, this could also flip at some stage, and then we have a different P&L, whether it's ratio absolute, so we become a much bigger net sales company all of a sudden, and that will definitely lead to absolute benefits, right? Whatever the ratio will be. That's pretty much where we are. It's a very important question that we definitely don't take lightly.
Bjørn Gulden: That also leads me to the third topic, as Björn indicated, that we lost, you know, almost EUR 2 billion in translation impact on the top line. I mean, this could also flip at some stage, and then we have a different P&L, whether it's ratio absolute, so we become a much bigger net sales company all of a sudden, and that will definitely lead to absolute benefits, right? Whatever the ratio will be. That's pretty much where we are. It's a very important question that we definitely don't take lightly.
Speaker #6: I mean, this could also flip at some stage. And then we have a different P&L, whether it's ratio or absolute. So we become a much bigger, bigger net sales company all of a sudden.
Speaker #6: And that will definitely lead to absolute benefits, right? whatever the ratio will be. So that's pretty much where we are. So it's a very important question.
Speaker #6: That we definitely don't take lightly.
[Company Representative] (adidas): Thank you so much.
Erwan Rambourg: Thank you so much.
Speaker #10: Thank you so much.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Jürgen Kolb from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Jürgen Kolb from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Next question comes from the line of Jürgen Kolb from Kepler Chevreuse. Please go ahead.
Jürgen Kolb: Yes, thank you very much for the questions. Again, Björn, good that you don't have anything else to do and stay with us for some more years. Good to hear that. On the question side, on China, coming back to that. We know that China, there are two major trends, running and outdoor is actually quite strong. I was wondering how Terrex is doing, especially in China and if that is a real driving force for you guys, maybe also going to other markets. Coming back to the gross margin side again. In raw material, maybe how are you hedged there? How long can you kind of sustain the rising pressure from oil and oil derivatives? When would that become a nagging problem for the gross margin also going maybe into 2027?
Jürgen Kolb: Yes, thank you very much for the questions. Again, Björn, good that you don't have anything else to do and stay with us for some more years. Good to hear that. On the question side, on China, coming back to that. We know that China, there are two major trends, running and outdoor is actually quite strong. I was wondering how Terrex is doing, especially in China and if that is a real driving force for you guys, maybe also going to other markets. Coming back to the gross margin side again. In raw material, maybe how are you hedged there? How long can you kind of sustain the rising pressure from oil and oil derivatives? When would that become a nagging problem for the gross margin also going maybe into 2027?
Speaker #12: Yes, thank you very much for the questions. And again, Bjorn, good that you don't have anything else to do. And, stay with us for some more years.
Speaker #12: Good, good to hear that. On the question side, on China—coming back to that—we know that in China, there are two major trends running, and outdoors is actually quite strong.
Speaker #12: So I was wondering how tariffs are doing, especially in China, and if that is a real driving force for you guys maybe also going to other markets.
Speaker #12: And then, coming back to the gross margin side again—raw material—maybe how are you hedged there? How long can you kind of sustain the rising pressure from oil and oil derivatives?
Speaker #12: When would that become a nagging problem for the gross margin, also going maybe into 2027? Thank you, guys.
Jürgen Kolb: Thank you, guys.
Jürgen Kolb: Thank you, guys.
Bjørn Gulden: The China market is of course not only running in outdoor, but from an activity point of view, you're pretty spot on that running is booming. As you know, we have worked very hard to kind of build credibility and then take the credibility down in price. You know, the EOSL is currently our best-selling shoe. Then in China, we also built even products below that with technology. The pipeline in running, both from a visibility, having events and having runners and also answering that with an offer that is targeting, I think we are in very good control. When it gets to outdoor, you are actually right. Although the outdoor in China goes in the street and a little bit up the mountain. It's not on the top of the mountain, so it's a combination of lifestyle and performance.
Bjørn Gulden: The China market is of course not only running in outdoor, but from an activity point of view, you're pretty spot on that running is booming. As you know, we have worked very hard to kind of build credibility and then take the credibility down in price. You know, the EOSL is currently our best-selling shoe. Then in China, we also built even products below that with technology. The pipeline in running, both from a visibility, having events and having runners and also answering that with an offer that is targeting, I think we are in very good control. When it gets to outdoor, you are actually right. Although the outdoor in China goes in the street and a little bit up the mountain. It's not on the top of the mountain, so it's a combination of lifestyle and performance.
Speaker #13: The China market is, of course, not only running and outdoor, but from an activity point of view, you're pretty spot on that running is booming.
Speaker #13: and as you know, we have worked very hard, to kind of build credibility and then take the credibility down in price. You know, the EYSL is currently our best-selling shoe.
Speaker #13: And then in China, we also build even products below that, with technology. So, the pipeline in running, both from a visibility, having events, and having runners, and also answering that with an offer that is targeting, I think we are in very good control.
Speaker #13: When it gets to outdoor, you are actually right. Although the outdoor in China goes in the street and a little bit up the mountain, it's not, not the top of the mountain.
Speaker #13: So it's a combination of lifestyle and performance. and you probably referring to, some of our competitors, the Chinese, that has bought Western brands, has done excellent in that area.
Bjørn Gulden: You're probably referring to some of our competitors, the Chinese, that has bought Western brands, has done excellent in that area. Terrex, which is our answer to it, has starting to build the same thing. We are building, I would call it EUR 150 shoes and below, with, I would say full technology, but that goes in the street and a little bit up the mountain. We are building, you know, light down jackets, we are building fleece and we're building collections that goes both on the street and a little bit up the mountain. Let's put it this way. It's actually doing very well, and it's probably going to be our strongest Terrex market quickly if it isn't already.
Bjørn Gulden: You're probably referring to some of our competitors, the Chinese, that has bought Western brands, has done excellent in that area. Terrex, which is our answer to it, has starting to build the same thing. We are building, I would call it EUR 150 shoes and below, with, I would say full technology, but that goes in the street and a little bit up the mountain. We are building, you know, light down jackets, we are building fleece and we're building collections that goes both on the street and a little bit up the mountain. Let's put it this way. It's actually doing very well, and it's probably going to be our strongest Terrex market quickly if it isn't already.
Speaker #13: And tariffs, which is our answer to it, has starting to build the same thing. So we are building, I will call it 150 euro shoes and below.
Speaker #13: with, I would say, full technology, but that goes in the street and a little bit up the, mountain. We are building, you know, light down jackets.
Speaker #13: we are building fleece and, and we're building collections that goes both on the street and, and, and a little bit up the mountains. Let's put it this way.
Speaker #13: and it's actually doing very well. And it's probably going to be our strongest tariffs, market, quickly. If it isn't already. So, you have identified two areas, that are right.
Bjørn Gulden: You have identified two areas that are right. Again, not a surprise to you probably, the Chinese team are then building, you know, tweaking products for local production to actually then achieve high margin and also targeting the specs that is needed for China. That is correct. When it gets to the raw materials, we don't hedge raw materials. You have to remember that we develop materials together with the suppliers, and then suppliers gives us prices normally for a season. They actually, if at all, are hedging the materials. We don't see a price increase in materials currently. When you look at the oil price and the short-term thing, the only place where we see it right now is on air freight, because that has exploded for obvious reasons.
Bjørn Gulden: You have identified two areas that are right. Again, not a surprise to you probably, the Chinese team are then building, you know, tweaking products for local production to actually then achieve high margin and also targeting the specs that is needed for China. That is correct. When it gets to the raw materials, we don't hedge raw materials. You have to remember that we develop materials together with the suppliers, and then suppliers gives us prices normally for a season. They actually, if at all, are hedging the materials. We don't see a price increase in materials currently. When you look at the oil price and the short-term thing, the only place where we see it right now is on air freight, because that has exploded for obvious reasons.
Speaker #13: And again, not a surprise to you, probably, but the Chinese team are then building, you know, tweaking products for local production to actually then achieve high margin, and also targeting the specs that are needed for China, so that is correct.
Speaker #13: When it gets to the raw materials, we don't hedge raw materials. you have to remember that, we develop materials together with the suppliers. And then suppliers gives us prices, normally for a season.
Speaker #13: So, they actually, if at all, are hedging the materials. We don't see a price increase in materials currently. So, when you look at the oil price and the short-term thing, the only place where we see it right now is on air freight, because that has exploded.
Bjørn Gulden: We don't know yet what will happen to materials prices, we are okay in our pricing, I would say, through at least Q1 2027 when it gets to the agreements we have with the suppliers. Should this conflict cause other areas, then I'm sure we will have areas in freight and maybe even in materials. Right now, we don't have anything in the pipeline that you need to worry about, that would have a major impact. Again, I hope both of us hope. Should be no rockets left, so they need to talk, right? I mean, that would be the objective, and the dream, to be honest.
Bjørn Gulden: We don't know yet what will happen to materials prices, we are okay in our pricing, I would say, through at least Q1 2027 when it gets to the agreements we have with the suppliers. Should this conflict cause other areas, then I'm sure we will have areas in freight and maybe even in materials. Right now, we don't have anything in the pipeline that you need to worry about, that would have a major impact. Again, I hope both of us hope. Should be no rockets left, so they need to talk, right? I mean, that would be the objective, and the dream, to be honest.
Speaker #13: So, obvious reasons. And we, we don't know yet what will happen to Madeira's prices. But we are okay in our pricing, I would say, through at least the first quarter of '27 when it gets to the agreements we have with the suppliers.
Speaker #13: Should this conflict cause other areas, then I'm sure we will have areas in freight and maybe even in materials. But right now, we don't we don't have anything in the pipeline, that you need to worry about, that, that would have a major impact.
Speaker #13: And, and again, I hope both of us hope that there will soon be no rockets left. So they need to talk, right? I mean, that would be the, the, the, the, the objective, and, and, and the dream, to be honest.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Very good dream indeed. Thank you very much, guys. All the best.
Jürgen Kolb: Very good dream indeed. Thank you very much, guys. All the best.
Speaker #12: Very good dream, indeed. Thank you very much, guys. All the best.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Geoff Lowery from Rothschild & Co Redburn. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Geoff Lowery from Rothschild & Co Redburn. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Next question comes from the line of Geoflurry from Rothschild & Co. Redburn. Please go ahead.
Geoff Lowery: Hi. Afternoon, team. Just one question, please. You've referenced a few times, a promotional environment. I was just interested in your perspective on what sat behind that. Is that particular brands with particular product issues or inventory issues that they'll gradually work through? Do you think this is a new cost of doing business more generally in terms of activating consumers? Thank you.
Geoff Lowery: Hi. Afternoon, team. Just one question, please. You've referenced a few times, a promotional environment. I was just interested in your perspective on what sat behind that. Is that particular brands with particular product issues or inventory issues that they'll gradually work through? Do you think this is a new cost of doing business more generally in terms of activating consumers? Thank you.
Speaker #10: Hi. Afternoon, team. just one question, please. You've, you've referenced a few times, a promotional environment. I was just interested in your perspective on what's sat behind that.
Speaker #10: Is that particular brands with particular product issues or inventory issues that they'll gradually work through? Or do you think this is a new cost of doing business more generally in terms of activating consumers?
Speaker #10: Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: No, I do think that, especially in Europe and America, these are issues to keep the space in distribution, and of course also inventory issues, and also retailers that are nervous, so they're buying deals. It's a combination of many things. I think if you've been in the stores over the last six months, I think you've seen a lot of red marked product that normally wouldn't be red marked. I think it's a combination of those two things. I don't think this is a long-term sustainable way because it doesn't make any sense for neither brands or retailers. We are counting on that this will, what should I say, disappear over time.
Bjørn Gulden: No, I do think that, especially in Europe and America, these are issues to keep the space in distribution, and of course also inventory issues, and also retailers that are nervous, so they're buying deals. It's a combination of many things. I think if you've been in the stores over the last six months, I think you've seen a lot of red marked product that normally wouldn't be red marked. I think it's a combination of those two things. I don't think this is a long-term sustainable way because it doesn't make any sense for neither brands or retailers. We are counting on that this will, what should I say, disappear over time.
Speaker #13: no, I do think that especially in Europe and America, these are issues, to, keep the space in distribution, and of course, also inventory issues.
Speaker #13: And also, retailers that are nervous, so they're buying deals. There's a combination of many things. I think if you've been in the stores over the last six months, you've seen a lot of red-marked product that normally wouldn't be red-marked.
Speaker #13: So, I think it's a combination of those two things. I don't think this is a long-term sustainable way, because it doesn't make any sense for any of the brands or retail.
Speaker #13: So, we, we are counting on that this will, what should I say? Disappear over time.
Geoff Lowery: Understood. Thank you.
Geoff Lowery: Understood. Thank you.
Speaker #12: Understood. Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Warwick Okines from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Warwick Okines from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: The next question comes from the line of Warwick O'Keane from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Warwick Okines: Thanks very much. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask the sort of same outlook question you've had already, but put in millions of euros rather than percentages. In the profit bridges you've given are very helpful, but in 2025 you grew operating profits by EUR 700 million despite EUR 300 million in headwinds of Yeezy and tariffs. In 2026 the headwinds are a bit bigger, EUR 400 million, but you're only expecting a EUR 250 million increase this year. What is that bridge, please? The second question is, what would the EUR 200 million tariff headwind in 2026 be if you were to take into account the news of the last two weeks? Thank you.
Warwick Okines: Thanks very much. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask the sort of same outlook question you've had already, but put in millions of euros rather than percentages. In the profit bridges you've given are very helpful, but in 2025 you grew operating profits by EUR 700 million despite EUR 300 million in headwinds of Yeezy and tariffs. In 2026 the headwinds are a bit bigger, EUR 400 million, but you're only expecting a EUR 250 million increase this year. What is that bridge, please? The second question is, what would the EUR 200 million tariff headwind in 2026 be if you were to take into account the news of the last two weeks? Thank you.
Speaker #14: Oh, thanks very much. Good afternoon. I wanted to ask the sort of same outlook question you've had already, but put in millions, of, of euros rather than percentages.
Speaker #14: in, in the, the, the profit bridges you've, you've given a very helpful. But in, in '25, you grew operating profits by 700 million despite 300 million headwinds of easy and, and tariffs.
Speaker #14: And in '26, the, the headwinds are a bit bigger, 400 million. But, but you're only expecting a 250 million increase this year. So, so, so what is that bridge, please?
Speaker #14: and, and the second question is, w-what would the 200 million tariff headwind in '26 be if you were to take into account the news of the last two weeks?
Speaker #14: Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: You have to remember that the tariffs that has happened since he installed them, there's part of those that he just installed that has been deemed illegal, right. There are agreements between nations that are bilateral, that are not illegal, because if you make an agreement with a country like he did with India, that is not illegal. There are different, what should I say, topics. If we calculate through all this, which is not easy because there are markets like China that have five different duty rates for 12 months received, then the impact of the changes that he did, you know, the 10 and the 15 after Supreme Court compared to what it used to be, I would say it's probably EUR 30, 40 million. It's not really that relevant.
Bjørn Gulden: You have to remember that the tariffs that has happened since he installed them, there's part of those that he just installed that has been deemed illegal, right. There are agreements between nations that are bilateral, that are not illegal, because if you make an agreement with a country like he did with India, that is not illegal. There are different, what should I say, topics. If we calculate through all this, which is not easy because there are markets like China that have five different duty rates for 12 months received, then the impact of the changes that he did, you know, the 10 and the 15 after Supreme Court compared to what it used to be, I would say it's probably EUR 30, 40 million. It's not really that relevant.
Speaker #12: you ha you have to remember that the tariffs that has happened since he, installed them, there's part of those that he just installed, that has been deemed illegal, right?
Speaker #12: And then there are agreements between nation that are bilateral, that are not illegal because if, if you make an agreement with a country, like he did with India, that is not illegal.
Speaker #12: So there are different, what should I say, topics. If we calculate through all this, which is not easy, because, there are markets like China that has five different, duty rates for 12 months, receipt.
Speaker #12: then the impact of the changes that he did, you know, the 10 and the 15 after Supreme Court compared to what it used to be, I would say, is probably 30, 40 million.
Bjørn Gulden: If you look at all the duties or the tariffs that we have paid for the period, that could be illegal, you are speaking close to EUR 400 million. There is a big variance here between the different things, and I don't think any brand right now knows what we can expect, right? It cannot be anything negative other than what you have seen. What you see is the worst case, right? It is the duties that were there before the Supreme Court said it was illegal, and there is no, what should I say, positivity on maybe claiming back paid duties. I think that's the only thing that I can tell you.
Bjørn Gulden: If you look at all the duties or the tariffs that we have paid for the period, that could be illegal, you are speaking close to EUR 400 million. There is a big variance here between the different things, and I don't think any brand right now knows what we can expect, right? It cannot be anything negative other than what you have seen. What you see is the worst case, right? It is the duties that were there before the Supreme Court said it was illegal, and there is no, what should I say, positivity on maybe claiming back paid duties. I think that's the only thing that I can tell you.
Speaker #12: But it so it's not really that relevant. If you look at all, the duties or the tariffs that we have paid for the period, that could be illegal.
Speaker #12: You are speaking close to 400 million. So, so there is a big variance here between the different things. And I don't think any brand right now knows what we can expect, right?
Speaker #12: But it cannot be anything negative, other than what you have seen. What you see is the worst case, right? It is the, the duties that were there before the Supreme Court said it was illegal.
Speaker #12: and there is no, what should I say, positivity on maybe claiming back paid duties. I think that's the only thing, that I can tell you.
Bjørn Gulden: On your first question, I'm not 100% sure what you asked, but the improvement in the profitability, everything being equal, is actually EUR 650 million. You have the duty and the FX that takes you back EUR 400 million, right? That's the only bridge I can do. The EUR 650 is of course leverage and gross margin on the growth that you're having. I don't know how else to answer it.
Bjørn Gulden: On your first question, I'm not 100% sure what you asked, but the improvement in the profitability, everything being equal, is actually EUR 650 million. You have the duty and the FX that takes you back EUR 400 million, right? That's the only bridge I can do. The EUR 650 is of course leverage and gross margin on the growth that you're having. I don't know how else to answer it.
Speaker #12: on your first question, I'm not 100% sure what you asked. But the improvement in the profitability everything being equal is actually 650 million. And then you have the duty and the effects that takes you back 400 million, right?
Speaker #12: So that's the only bridge I can do. The 650 is, of course, leverage and gross margin on the growth that you're having. So, I—I don't know how else to answer it.
Warwick Okines: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Warwick Okines: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you very much.
Bjørn Gulden: Yep.
Bjørn Gulden: Yep.
Harm Ohlmeyer: No, just real quick, Warwick, I understand that you compare, like, the improvement that we did in 25 as improvement that we plan to do in 26, right? The detail is that is in the FX, where the FX impact is coming from the respective countries, and if the FX is primarily coming from the US dollar, it's less of an impact what we saw in 25. It's across many countries, and when it comes to Argentina, Turkey, and Japan and Korea, what I just said, it's across countries that are more profitable, and that's part of the answer. Again, it's complex with all the countries that we're operating in.
Harm Ohlmeyer: No, just real quick, Warwick, I understand that you compare, like, the improvement that we did in 25 as improvement that we plan to do in 26, right? The detail is that is in the FX, where the FX impact is coming from the respective countries, and if the FX is primarily coming from the US dollar, it's less of an impact what we saw in 25. It's across many countries, and when it comes to Argentina, Turkey, and Japan and Korea, what I just said, it's across countries that are more profitable, and that's part of the answer. Again, it's complex with all the countries that we're operating in.
Speaker #14: Okay. That, that's helpful. Thank you very much.
Speaker #12: Yep.
Speaker #14: No, just, just real quick, Warwick, I understand that you compare, like, the improvements that we did in '25 versus improvements that we plan to do in '26, right?
Speaker #14: But, but, but the detail is that it's in the effects, where the effects impact is coming from the respective countries. And, and if the effects is primarily coming from the US dollar, it's less of an impact.
Speaker #14: What we saw in '25, if it's across many countries, and when it comes to Argentina, Turkey, and, and Japan, and Korea, what I just said, it's across countries that are more profitable.
Speaker #14: And that's, that's part of the answer. so again, it's, it's complex with all the countries that we're operating in. So there's not an easy bridge that we normally have in gross margin when it comes to across all these, you know, you know, countries and the currency, impacts of all these detailed currencies.
Harm Ohlmeyer: There's not an easy bridge that we normally have in gross margin when it comes across all these, you know, you know, countries and the currency impacts of all these detailed currencies, so. I'm happy to do that in a one-on-one when we see each other on a roadshow.
Harm Ohlmeyer: There's not an easy bridge that we normally have in gross margin when it comes across all these, you know, you know, countries and the currency impacts of all these detailed currencies, so. I'm happy to do that in a one-on-one when we see each other on a roadshow.
Speaker #14: So but I'm happy to do that, in a one-on-one when we see each other on a roadshow. Okay. Thanks, Tom.
Warwick Okines: Okay. Thanks, Jan.
Warwick Okines: Okay. Thanks, Jan.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Robert Krankowski from UBS. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Robert Krankowski from UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: The next question comes from the line of Robert Krankowski from UBS. Please go ahead.
Robert Krankowski: Hi. Hello. Two questions for me, please. We talked about the gross margin that is going to be stable, and then there is a big benefit from the hedging of FX in 2027. Could you talk a bit about the, what kind of a gross margin level you are assuming for by 2028? Previously we talked about 50% to 52% to get to 10% EBIT margin, 12% marketing spend. Is it the same? Also what kind of impact does the performance, I guess, skew to the growth at the beginning versus lifestyle? I mean, like, what kind of gross margin gap are we talking about? Is it now better than it was historically given some changes that you did? Maybe secondly, if you could touch on, like, what has been the performance year to date?
Robert Krankowski: Hi. Hello. Two questions for me, please. We talked about the gross margin that is going to be stable, and then there is a big benefit from the hedging of FX in 2027. Could you talk a bit about the, what kind of a gross margin level you are assuming for by 2028? Previously we talked about 50% to 52% to get to 10% EBIT margin, 12% marketing spend. Is it the same? Also what kind of impact does the performance, I guess, skew to the growth at the beginning versus lifestyle? I mean, like, what kind of gross margin gap are we talking about? Is it now better than it was historically given some changes that you did? Maybe secondly, if you could touch on, like, what has been the performance year to date?
Speaker #15: Hi. Hello. two questions for me, please. we talked about the gross margin that is going to be stable, and then there is a big benefit from the hedging of effects in 2027.
Speaker #15: But could you talk a bit about the what kind of, of gross margin level you're assuming for by 2028? Previously, we talked about 50 to 52 percent to get to 10% EBIT margin, 12% marketing spend.
Speaker #15: Is it the same? And also, w-what kind of impact does it performance, I guess, skew to the growth at the beginning versus lifestyle? I mean, like, what kind of gross margin gap are we talking about?
Speaker #15: Is it now better than it was historically given some change that you did? And maybe secondly, if you could touch on, like, what has been the performance year to date, I guess, the environment is very volatile.
Robert Krankowski: I guess the environment is very volatile. Are we talking about the growth above high single digit? What is the shape of the order book, if you could comment? Thanks.
Robert Krankowski: I guess the environment is very volatile. Are we talking about the growth above high single digit? What is the shape of the order book, if you could comment? Thanks.
Speaker #15: But are we talking about the growth above high single digit? And what is the shape of the order book, if you could comment? Thanks.
Bjørn Gulden: That was many questions and many difficult ones. I'll start with the last one is that the start of the year has been good. I think I'll leave it like that in a very volatile marketplace, that's both for retail and wholesale. We are happy with where we are end of February. I think on all the other, when you start talking about margin in 2028, you're jumping a little bit ahead. I do think that if we bring, you know, EUR 2 billion every year on the top line, there should be leverage on every cost line that you can think about. We know that we can improve, you know, our processes and systems, and we do know there's something called AI that we haven't even priced into the leverage.
Bjørn Gulden: That was many questions and many difficult ones. I'll start with the last one is that the start of the year has been good. I think I'll leave it like that in a very volatile marketplace, that's both for retail and wholesale. We are happy with where we are end of February. I think on all the other, when you start talking about margin in 2028, you're jumping a little bit ahead. I do think that if we bring, you know, EUR 2 billion every year on the top line, there should be leverage on every cost line that you can think about. We know that we can improve, you know, our processes and systems, and we do know there's something called AI that we haven't even priced into the leverage.
Speaker #14: that was many questions and many difficult ones. I, I'll start with the last one. Is that the start of the year has been good?
Speaker #14: I think I'll leave it like that in a very volatile marketplace. that's both for retail and wholesale. So, we, we are happy with where we are.
Speaker #14: end of February. I think on all the other, when you start talking about margin in 28, you, you're jumping a little bit ahead. I do think that if we bring, you know, 2 billion every year on the top line, there should be leverage on every cost line that you can think about.
Speaker #14: We know that we can improve, you know, our processes and systems. And we do know there's something called AI that we haven't even priced into the leverage.
Bjørn Gulden: I think we should continue to say that we think we can take market share, that the growth in absolute terms that we talk about, realistically is around EUR 2 billion a year. I think how far we get then on the EBIT margin then depends on all the other elements. I think it would be very crazy for us now to start to define those bridges for 2028, because I wouldn't know other than there should be improvements on many levels that then should please you as an investor. I don't know, Harm, if you wanna add something to that?
Bjørn Gulden: I think we should continue to say that we think we can take market share, that the growth in absolute terms that we talk about, realistically is around EUR 2 billion a year. I think how far we get then on the EBIT margin then depends on all the other elements. I think it would be very crazy for us now to start to define those bridges for 2028, because I wouldn't know other than there should be improvements on many levels that then should please you as an investor. I don't know, Harm, if you wanna add something to that?
Speaker #14: So, I think we should continue to say that we think we can take market share; that the growth, in absolute terms, that we talk about realistically is around $2 billion a year.
Speaker #14: And then I think how far we get then on the on the, EBIT margin, then depends on all the other elements. And I, I think it would be very crazy for us now to start to define those bridges for 28, because I wouldn't know other than, there should be, improvements on many levels that then should please you as an investor.
Harm Ohlmeyer: No, absolutely. Now mapping our 28 gross margin, I mean, it's probably the most difficult KPI to manage even on a quarterly basis. I mean, whether it's the hedging, and it's not just the US dollar, it's many currencies that we're hedging or not actually hedging because they're too expensive. There's footwear, apparel, there's categories, there's country mix. I mean, a lot of things are happening. You know, looking forward, why we are so confident about where we are heading and that we are going beyond the 10%, you know, EBIT margin is definitely coming out of the cost leverage. We will be a more sizable company, there's no question. Again, if we are getting to a 52%, you know, margin or better, the key is that we leverage our infrastructure, right?
Harm Ohlmeyer: No, absolutely. Now mapping our 28 gross margin, I mean, it's probably the most difficult KPI to manage even on a quarterly basis. I mean, whether it's the hedging, and it's not just the US dollar, it's many currencies that we're hedging or not actually hedging because they're too expensive. There's footwear, apparel, there's categories, there's country mix. I mean, a lot of things are happening. You know, looking forward, why we are so confident about where we are heading and that we are going beyond the 10%, you know, EBIT margin is definitely coming out of the cost leverage. We will be a more sizable company, there's no question. Again, if we are getting to a 52%, you know, margin or better, the key is that we leverage our infrastructure, right?
Speaker #14: I, I don't know harm if you wanna add something to that. No, absolutely. Now, mapping out 28 gross margin, I mean, it's probably the most difficult KPI to manage even on a quarterly basis.
Speaker #14: But I mean, whether it's the hedging—and it's not just the US dollar, it's many currencies that we're hedging, or not actually hedging because it's too expensive.
Speaker #14: there's footwear apparel. There's categories. There's country mix. I mean, a lot of things are happening. But, you know, looking forward, why we're so confident about where we are heading and that we're going beyond the 10%, you know, EBIT margin is, is definitely coming out of the cost leverage.
Speaker #14: We will be a more sizable company. There's no question. And, and again, if we if we are getting to a 52%, you know, margin or better, the key is that we leverage our infrastructure, right?
Harm Ohlmeyer: We will be much, you know, bigger company. The key to watch is how we leverage our infrastructure and our cost overall. That's where we can do a lot, whether it's AI or other things where we can run the company differently. That is definitely the element that will bring us, you know, beyond the 10% EBIT.
Harm Ohlmeyer: We will be much, you know, bigger company. The key to watch is how we leverage our infrastructure and our cost overall. That's where we can do a lot, whether it's AI or other things where we can run the company differently. That is definitely the element that will bring us, you know, beyond the 10% EBIT.
Speaker #14: And we will be a much, you know, bigger company. And the key to watch is how we leverage our infrastructure and our costs overall. And that's where we can do a lot, whether it's AI or other things, where we can run the company differently.
Speaker #14: that is definitely the element that will bring us, you know, beyond the 10% EBIT.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman from Bernstein Societe Generale. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman from Bernstein Societe Generale. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Next question comes from the line of Anisha Sherman from Bernstein Société Générale. Please go ahead.
Aneesha Sherman: Thank you so much. I have two, please. Bjørn, the first one is when you first joined, you inherited a very early stage Samba launch in early 2023. You were able to grow it and make Karat such a powerful driver over the last three years. You're now looking at the next stage. Rather than one kind of blockbuster product, you've got a wide range of products in performance, lifestyle, apparel, et cetera. How do you think about that ramp-up in brand heat that you saw with Karat playing out across a wider range of products? Do you need to have those one to three blockbuster products that really carry the brand, or is it possible with a much wider range of products where each individual franchise is not as powerful? Just curious about your philosophy.
Aneesha Sherman: Thank you so much. I have two, please. Bjørn, the first one is when you first joined, you inherited a very early stage Samba launch in early 2023. You were able to grow it and make Karat such a powerful driver over the last three years. You're now looking at the next stage. Rather than one kind of blockbuster product, you've got a wide range of products in performance, lifestyle, apparel, et cetera. How do you think about that ramp-up in brand heat that you saw with Karat playing out across a wider range of products? Do you need to have those one to three blockbuster products that really carry the brand, or is it possible with a much wider range of products where each individual franchise is not as powerful? Just curious about your philosophy.
Speaker #15: Thank you so much. I have two, please. Bjørn, the first one is when you first joined, you inherited a very early-stage Samba launch in early 2023.
Speaker #15: And you were able to grow it and make Caris such a powerful driver over the next over the last three years. You're now looking at the next stage and rather than one kind of blockbuster product, you've got a wide range of products in performance, lifestyle, apparel, etc.
Speaker #15: How do you think about that ramp-up in brand heat that you saw with Caris playing out across a wider range of products? Do you need to have those one to three blockbuster products that really carry the brand?
Speaker #15: Or is it possible with a much wider range of products where each individual franchise is not as powerful? Just curious about your philosophy. And then a second one, for Harm, please.
Aneesha Sherman: A second one for Harm, please. When you think about cost, the cost base for 2026, you know, you just said on the prior answer that you should have leverage on every item if you can get to that EUR 2 billion incremental sales. For overheads, you've been at about EUR 7.8 billion for the last 2 years, if I take out those one-off costs for 2024. Is that a pretty steady state level you think you can stay at, in which case you should see more leverage on the overheads line item? I'm just trying to bridge, you know, your operating margin guidance and see where the leverage could come from versus where there could be some deleverage. That would be helpful. Thank you.
Aneesha Sherman: A second one for Harm, please. When you think about cost, the cost base for 2026, you know, you just said on the prior answer that you should have leverage on every item if you can get to that EUR 2 billion incremental sales. For overheads, you've been at about EUR 7.8 billion for the last 2 years, if I take out those one-off costs for 2024. Is that a pretty steady state level you think you can stay at, in which case you should see more leverage on the overheads line item? I'm just trying to bridge, you know, your operating margin guidance and see where the leverage could come from versus where there could be some deleverage. That would be helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #15: When you think about costs, the cost base for 2026, you know, you just said on the prior answer that you should have leverage on every item if you can get to that 2 billion incremental sales.
Speaker #15: For overheads, you've been at about 7.8 billion for the last two years, if I take out those one-off costs for 2024. Is that a pretty steady state level you think you can stay at, in which case you should see more leverage on the overheads line item?
Speaker #15: I'm just trying to bridge, you know, your, your, operating margin guidance and see where the leverage could come from versus where there could be some de-leverage.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, I can tell you that I feel a lot better having many franchises doing well on both performance and lifestyle and both footwear and apparel doing well than putting my destiny on one franchise. I think we have to be very honest that at the beginning of 2023 when the negativity and the performance of the company was not that great, it was a gift from heaven to see that we had a Samba that actually was in high demand. I think we then did a great job scaling it, and it ended up not being only the Samba, but what we later, you know, teach people, and it's called Karat, and it included, you know, Gazelle, and Spezial, and then later Campus, and more shoes.
Speaker #15: That would be helpful. Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, I can tell you that I feel a lot better having many franchises doing well on both performance and lifestyle and both footwear and apparel doing well than putting my destiny on one franchise. I think we have to be very honest that at the beginning of 2023 when the negativity and the performance of the company was not that great, it was a gift from heaven to see that we had a Samba that actually was in high demand. I think we then did a great job scaling it, and it ended up not being only the Samba, but what we later, you know, teach people, and it's called Karat, and it included, you know, Gazelle, and Spezial, and then later Campus, and more shoes.
Speaker #14: well, I can tell you that I feel a lot better having many franchises doing well, both performance, and lifestyle, and both footwear and apparel doing well.
Speaker #14: That putting, my destiny on one franchise, I think we have to be very honest that, at the beginning of '23, when the negativity and the performance of the company was not that great, it was a gift from heaven to see that we had a Samba that actually was in high demand.
Speaker #14: and I think we, then did a great job scaling it. and it ended up not being only the Samba but what we later, you know, teach people that it's called Caris, and it included, you know, Gazelle and Special and then later Campus and more shoes.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, the risk we took at that point in time, I think was for many outsiders, "Oh, you crazy." You know, we did what we felt we had to do. Of course, the portfolio product we have now is much, much more healthy. I think many companies today, without mentioning name, are now hanging on one franchise or actually hanging on one look, which of course is not very pleasant. It is a clear goal for us to have a wider portfolio product and to always have the possibility to also create brand heat on apparel. Let's face it, footwear has a much more narrow, what should I say, platform, and there's not that many trends.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, the risk we took at that point in time, I think was for many outsiders, "Oh, you crazy." You know, we did what we felt we had to do. Of course, the portfolio product we have now is much, much more healthy. I think many companies today, without mentioning name, are now hanging on one franchise or actually hanging on one look, which of course is not very pleasant. It is a clear goal for us to have a wider portfolio product and to always have the possibility to also create brand heat on apparel. Let's face it, footwear has a much more narrow, what should I say, platform, and there's not that many trends.
Speaker #14: So, you know, the risk we took at that point in time, I think, was for many outsiders, "Oh, you're crazy." but, you know, we, we did what we felt we had to do.
Speaker #14: And, of course, the portfolio product we have now is much, much more healthy. I think many companies today, without mentioning names, are now hanging on one franchise or actually hanging on one look.
Speaker #14: which, of course, is not very pleasant. so, it is a clear, clear call for us, to have a wider portfolio product, and to always have the possibility to also create brand heat on apparel.
Speaker #14: Because let's face it, footwear has a much more narrow, what should I say, platform. And there's not that many trends, if you do apparel well.
Bjørn Gulden: If you do apparel well in addition to your performance and your lifestyle footwear business, you have a much, much bigger area to play in. I think you also agree that on apparel, the regional differences, from a tank jacket in Japan to a soccer cultural item in UK, that there are many variables that you are much more easier to play on, to be honest, to get business going. Very, very proud of what the product teams have done to expand the ranges. We're not dependent on only the Samba, which, you know, for maybe 12 months was very unpleasant, because if that hadn't worked, I might not have extended my contract. Let's put it that way. Harm.
Bjørn Gulden: If you do apparel well in addition to your performance and your lifestyle footwear business, you have a much, much bigger area to play in. I think you also agree that on apparel, the regional differences, from a tank jacket in Japan to a soccer cultural item in UK, that there are many variables that you are much more easier to play on, to be honest, to get business going. Very, very proud of what the product teams have done to expand the ranges. We're not dependent on only the Samba, which, you know, for maybe 12 months was very unpleasant, because if that hadn't worked, I might not have extended my contract. Let's put it that way. Harm.
Speaker #14: In addition to your performance and your lifestyle footwear business, you have a much, much bigger, what should I say, area to play in. And, and I think you also agree that on apparel, the regional differences, from a tank jacket in Japan to a soccer culture item in the UK, that there are many, many variables that you are much, much, much more easier to play on, to be honest, to get business going.
Speaker #14: So, very, very proud of what the product teams have done to expand the ranges, so we're not, dependent on only the Samba. which, you know, for maybe 12 months was very unpleasant, because if that hadn't worked, I might not have extended my contract.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Yeah. When it comes to the cost base, you listened very well in the past. We indeed, excluding the one knows we are around EUR 7.8 billion. Of course, there's some FX impact in that one as well, especially in 2025. But on the other hand, I mean, when you're growing high single digit, you know, in 2026 of the years to come, of course you drive more volume. This is not just, you know, done through pricing. You need to see that the absolute increase that we might have in cost is coming from freight costs. Either you bring the product, you know, into the markets or you ship out to the retailers or to the consumers, because you move more volume. Secondly, we said earlier that we have net 90 more retail stores.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Yeah. When it comes to the cost base, you listened very well in the past. We indeed, excluding the one knows we are around EUR 7.8 billion. Of course, there's some FX impact in that one as well, especially in 2025. But on the other hand, I mean, when you're growing high single digit, you know, in 2026 of the years to come, of course you drive more volume. This is not just, you know, done through pricing. You need to see that the absolute increase that we might have in cost is coming from freight costs. Either you bring the product, you know, into the markets or you ship out to the retailers or to the consumers, because you move more volume. Secondly, we said earlier that we have net 90 more retail stores.
Speaker #14: Let's put it that way. Harm. Yeah. When it comes to the cost base, you listened very well in the past. we indeed, excluding the Wandaus, we're around the 7.8 billion.
Speaker #14: Of course, there are some FX impact in that one as well. especially in '25. So, but on the other hand, I mean, when you're growing high single digit, you know, in '26 or the years to come, of course, you drive more volume.
Speaker #14: This is not just, you know, done through pricing end. So you need to see that, the absolute increase that we might have in cost is coming from freight costs, either you bring the product, you know, into the markets or you ship out to the retailers or to the consumers.
Speaker #14: because you move more volume. Secondly, we said earlier that we have net 90 more retail stores. So you got to pay, you know, rent.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You got to pay, you know, rent, you have depreciation, you have people in running these retail stores as well. You have some annualization effect. When it comes to overall the personal expenses that we have, we try to, you know, keep it where it is because there's an expectation of salary increases, not just here in Europe, but also in some markets where you have inflation. It's going up more than here, probably in the headquarter. Of course, you know, through some programs, we have fewer people. We can become more efficient over time, and that's what we are working through. We definitely can do better. The leverage really comes through our DC infrastructure. It comes through our IT infrastructure.
Harm Ohlmeyer: You got to pay, you know, rent, you have depreciation, you have people in running these retail stores as well. You have some annualization effect. When it comes to overall the personal expenses that we have, we try to, you know, keep it where it is because there's an expectation of salary increases, not just here in Europe, but also in some markets where you have inflation. It's going up more than here, probably in the headquarter. Of course, you know, through some programs, we have fewer people. We can become more efficient over time, and that's what we are working through. We definitely can do better. The leverage really comes through our DC infrastructure. It comes through our IT infrastructure.
Speaker #14: You have depreciation. you have people in running these retail stores as well. There are some annualization effect. When it comes to all of the overall, the personal expenses that we have, we try to, you know, keep it at where it is because there's an expectation of seller increases, not just here in Europe but also in some markets where you have inflation.
Speaker #14: So it's going up more than here, probably in the headquarters. But of course, you know, through some programs, we have fewer people. We can become more efficient over time.
Speaker #14: And that's what we're working through. So we definitely can do better. And then the leverage really comes through our DC infrastructure. It comes through our IT infrastructure.
Harm Ohlmeyer: It comes through normal office costs that we have or less depreciation because we invest more disciplined on CapEx. Just staying flat on the 7.8 is not that easy if you're growing the volume as well. Again, there's focus on it. We are first and foremost looking at the ratio and the leverage, but we can definitely do better, you know, not even bringing out the big word of AI, but there are a lot of things that we can do better to become more efficient. It's not always the same absolute number, right? The leverage is what we are focusing on.
Harm Ohlmeyer: It comes through normal office costs that we have or less depreciation because we invest more disciplined on CapEx. Just staying flat on the 7.8 is not that easy if you're growing the volume as well. Again, there's focus on it. We are first and foremost looking at the ratio and the leverage, but we can definitely do better, you know, not even bringing out the big word of AI, but there are a lot of things that we can do better to become more efficient. It's not always the same absolute number, right? The leverage is what we are focusing on.
Speaker #14: It comes through normal office costs that we have, or less depreciation because we invest, more disciplined on CapEx. So but, but just staying flat on the 7.8 is not that easy.
Speaker #14: if you're growing the volume as well. but again, there's focus on it. we have four first and foremost looking at the ratio and the leverage.
Speaker #14: But we can definitely do better, you know, not even, bringing out the big word of AI, but there are a lot of things that we can do better to become more efficient.
Speaker #14: But it's not always the same absolute number, right? The leverage is what we are focusing on.
[Company Representative] (adidas): That's really helpful. Thank you both.
Aneesha Sherman: That's really helpful. Thank you both.
Speaker #15: That's really helpful. Thank you both.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of James Grzinic from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of James Grzinic from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #16: Next question comes from the line of James Greenwich from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
James Grzinic: Thank you. Yes, good afternoon. Just a quick one really for Bjorn, a follow-up, I guess, to your answer to Jeff's question in terms of over-inventory position in the industry, especially in North America and Europe. Do you feel that more broadly for the industry, we are in a bigger over-inventory situation now compared to a year or 2 years ago? Just curious about hearing your thoughts on that and perhaps if you can comment specifically even in big parts of the world like the US and China, for instance. Thank you.
James Grzinic: Thank you. Yes, good afternoon. Just a quick one really for Bjorn, a follow-up, I guess, to your answer to Jeff's question in terms of over-inventory position in the industry, especially in North America and Europe. Do you feel that more broadly for the industry, we are in a bigger over-inventory situation now compared to a year or 2 years ago? Just curious about hearing your thoughts on that and perhaps if you can comment specifically even in big parts of the world like the US and China, for instance. Thank you.
Speaker #17: Thank you. Yes. Good afternoon. just a quick one really for Bjorn, a follow-up, I guess, to your answer to Jeff's question in terms of, overall inventory position in the industry, especially in North America and Europe.
Speaker #17: do you feel that more broadly for the industry, the we, we are in a bigger overall inventory situation now compared to a year or two years ago?
Speaker #17: Just curious, but hearing your thoughts on that and perhaps if you can comment specifically, even in big parts of the world like the US and China, for instance.
Bjørn Gulden: No, I don't think I even said over-inventory. I, I would say that I think brands are fighting to keep their sales by making deals with retailers. That doesn't necessarily have to be old inventory. I don't think there's a huge inventory problem as such like we had, you know, if you go three years back, especially in China and the US, there was a lot of inventory, including ourselves. I think it's that people are uncertain and to make sure that their wholesale business is holding up, people are making deals, and the retailers are nervous, so they are asking for deals. I think it's the right, the, the special attitude that the business is currently having more than there is a lot of inventory hanging around. I would describe it like that.
Bjørn Gulden: No, I don't think I even said over-inventory. I, I would say that I think brands are fighting to keep their sales by making deals with retailers. That doesn't necessarily have to be old inventory. I don't think there's a huge inventory problem as such like we had, you know, if you go three years back, especially in China and the US, there was a lot of inventory, including ourselves. I think it's that people are uncertain and to make sure that their wholesale business is holding up, people are making deals, and the retailers are nervous, so they are asking for deals. I think it's the right, the, the special attitude that the business is currently having more than there is a lot of inventory hanging around. I would describe it like that.
Speaker #17: Thank you.
Speaker #18: No. I, I don't think I even said over inventory. I, I, I would say that I think brands are fighting to keep their sales by making deals with retailers.
Speaker #18: That doesn't necessarily have to be all the inventory. so I, I don't think there's a huge inventory problem as such. like we had, you know, coming, if you go three years back, especially in China and the US, there was a lot of inventory including ourself.
Speaker #18: I think it's, people are uncertain and to make sure that their wholesale business is holding up. People are making deals. and the retailers are nervous.
Speaker #18: So they are asking for deals. so, I, I think it's the right, the, the, the special attitude that the business is currently having more than there is a lot of inventory hanging around.
Bjørn Gulden: I'm sure there are some inventory for certain brands who are negative in their top line in certain markets like in China, and they want to get rid of that inventory. I think the issue is more people are afraid of losing top line, and therefore, making deals. I think that's the description I would give.
Bjørn Gulden: I'm sure there are some inventory for certain brands who are negative in their top line in certain markets like in China, and they want to get rid of that inventory. I think the issue is more people are afraid of losing top line, and therefore, making deals. I think that's the description I would give.
Speaker #18: I would describe it like that. I'm sure there is some inventory for certain brands who are negative in the top line in certain markets, like in China, and they want to get rid of that inventory.
Speaker #18: But I think the issue is more, people are afraid of losing top line, and therefore, making deals. I think that's the that's the, description I would give.
James Grzinic: Very clear. Thank you.
James Grzinic: Very clear. Thank you.
Speaker #19: Very clear. Thank you.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Andreas Riemann from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.
Operator: Next question comes from the line of Andreas Riemann from ODDO BHF. Please go ahead.
Speaker #16: Next question comes from the line of Andreas Riemann from Adobe HF. Please go ahead.
Harm Ohlmeyer: Yes, good afternoon. Two questions, also on the brand. Bjørn, you are broadening the range with more categories. You add more wholesale partners every year. How do you make sure that you don't stretch the adidas brand too far? From a different perspective, what are the things that you don't do to keep the brand hot? Any insight here would be appreciated. The second one is related to takedown versions. You're not talking about takedown versions anymore. Are those products still growing? In what categories are you offering these products if you do that? This would be my two questions.
Andreas Riemann: Yes, good afternoon. Two questions, also on the brand. Bjørn, you are broadening the range with more categories. You add more wholesale partners every year. How do you make sure that you don't stretch the adidas brand too far? From a different perspective, what are the things that you don't do to keep the brand hot? Any insight here would be appreciated. The second one is related to takedown versions. You're not talking about takedown versions anymore. Are those products still growing? In what categories are you offering these products if you do that? This would be my two questions.
Speaker #20: Yes. good afternoon. two questions. also on the brands. So beyond your broadening the range with more categories, you add more wholesale partners every year.
Speaker #20: So how do you make sure that you don't stretch the Adidas brand too far? Or from a different perspective, what are the things that you don't do, to keep the brand hot?
Speaker #20: So any, insight here would be appreciated. And the second one, is related to takedown versions. you're not talking about takedown versions anymore. so are those products still growing?
Speaker #20: And then what categories, are you offering these products, if you do that? this would be my two questions.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, first of all, adding retail partners, I don't think I ever said that. What I've said is that we are servicing retail partners better in the sense that we take care of them and we have a much tighter dialogue with them, what kind of product we can build together. That's both in performance, added lifestyle, and it also includes in many areas, what you call takedowns in sportswear. I don't feel that we have an issue of controlling the brand, because, you know, the people that are dealing with the retail in China and developing products in the US or here are all adidas employees. We all have the same interests. We have the same creative direction, we have the same color card, we have the same technologies. The point is that.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, first of all, adding retail partners, I don't think I ever said that. What I've said is that we are servicing retail partners better in the sense that we take care of them and we have a much tighter dialogue with them, what kind of product we can build together. That's both in performance, added lifestyle, and it also includes in many areas, what you call takedowns in sportswear. I don't feel that we have an issue of controlling the brand, because, you know, the people that are dealing with the retail in China and developing products in the US or here are all adidas employees. We all have the same interests. We have the same creative direction, we have the same color card, we have the same technologies. The point is that.
Speaker #18: Well, first of all, adding retail partners, I don't think I ever said that. what I've said is that we are servicing retail partners better in the sense that we take care of them.
Speaker #18: We have a much tighter dialogue with them. What kind of product we can build together. And that's both in performance, adding lifestyle, and it also includes, in many areas, what you call takedowns in sportswear.
Speaker #18: I don't feel that we have an issue of controlling the brand. because, you know, the people that are dealing with the retail in China and developing products, in the US or here, are all Adidas employees.
Speaker #18: And we all have the same interests. We have the same creative direction. We have the same color card. We have the same technologies. But the point is that if you decide that China should have a lot of local in running shoes at price points between €50 and €100, I think the Chinese team knows that better than global product managers sitting in Germany.
Bjørn Gulden: decide that China should have a lot of local in running shoes at price points between EUR 50 and 100. I think the Chinese teams knows that better than global product managers sitting in Germany. It's not necessarily that we widening need a distribution, which we're not, nor widening the categories that you said. It is more that we make much better decisions where the consumer is. Don't forget that the biggest mistake you can do in this industry is to essentially push concepts out in the markets that no one wants, because then they get discounted. I think you agree that product that are heavily discounted does not bring A, brand heat, and B, does not bring you any margin.
Bjørn Gulden: decide that China should have a lot of local in running shoes at price points between EUR 50 and 100. I think the Chinese teams knows that better than global product managers sitting in Germany. It's not necessarily that we widening need a distribution, which we're not, nor widening the categories that you said. It is more that we make much better decisions where the consumer is. Don't forget that the biggest mistake you can do in this industry is to essentially push concepts out in the markets that no one wants, because then they get discounted. I think you agree that product that are heavily discounted does not bring A, brand heat, and B, does not bring you any margin.
Speaker #18: So, it's not necessarily that we're widening neither distribution, which we're not, nor widening the categories. that you said. It is more that we make much better decisions where the consumer is.
Speaker #18: Don't forget that the biggest mistake you can do in this industry is to centrally push concepts out in the markets that no one wants.
Speaker #18: Because then they get discounted. And I think you agree that product that are heavily discounted does not bring A brand heat and B does not bring you any margin.
Bjørn Gulden: I think if you go through the PNLs of many brands right now, you can measure the brand heat and assortment on the gross margin. I think when you look at our gross margin build over the last three years, knowing that Yeezy is not there and we're approaching 52, I don't think anybody can raise the question if we have the right range or if we're stretching the range. So I don't think... I don't know who told you this, but I don't agree with you that this is the case. What was the other one?
Bjørn Gulden: I think if you go through the PNLs of many brands right now, you can measure the brand heat and assortment on the gross margin. I think when you look at our gross margin build over the last three years, knowing that Yeezy is not there and we're approaching 52, I don't think anybody can raise the question if we have the right range or if we're stretching the range. So I don't think... I don't know who told you this, but I don't agree with you that this is the case. What was the other one?
Speaker #18: And I think if you go through the P&L, so many brands right now, you can measure the brand heat and, assortment on the gross margin.
Speaker #18: and, I think when you look at our gross margin build over the last three years, knowing that yeast is not there and we are approaching 52, I don't think anybody can raise the question if we have the right range or if we're stretching the range.
Speaker #18: And so, I, I, I don't think I don't know who told you this, but I don't agree with you that this is the case.
Andreas Riemann: The other one was the takedowns.
Andreas Riemann: The other one was the takedowns.
Speaker #18: what was the other one?
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah. The takedown is again, if you look at footwear, I mean, let's face it, every brand are doing takedowns. There aren't gazillions of variations. If you look at our competitors, you will see that you see the same look in many price points. If you look at Nike Vomero, you will see that in five different price points. If you look at New Balance, you will see the same look in all kinds of price points. I think takedowns, and we could call them something else, but taking a trend and then multiply, you know, the offer to different distribution and price points has always been in this industry. I don't see that as an issue either.
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah. The takedown is again, if you look at footwear, I mean, let's face it, every brand are doing takedowns. There aren't gazillions of variations. If you look at our competitors, you will see that you see the same look in many price points. If you look at Nike Vomero, you will see that in five different price points. If you look at New Balance, you will see the same look in all kinds of price points. I think takedowns, and we could call them something else, but taking a trend and then multiply, you know, the offer to different distribution and price points has always been in this industry. I don't see that as an issue either.
Speaker #20: Do you have other one for takedowns?
Speaker #18: Yeah. The, the takedown is, again, if you look at footwear, I mean, let's face it. Every brand are doing takedowns. The, there aren't, you know, gazillions of variations.
Speaker #18: so if you look at our competitors, you will see that you see the same look in many price points. If you look at Nike Vomero, you will see that in five different price points.
Speaker #18: If you look at New Balance, you will see the same look in all kinds of price points. So, I think take, takedowns, and we could call them something else, but taking a trend and then multiplying, you know, the offer to different distribution and price points has always been in this industry.
Bjørn Gulden: What has been good for us, or you can say negative, is that the growth in Originals has been higher than in sportswear, which would tell you that the higher end has actually been more in demand, or we have supplied it more than we have on the lower end. You know, people tend to say we are, or I am too commercial, and they try to build that story. I don't know if that's maybe too, what should I say? They're less focused on themselves. I would measure the growth margin on the different brands. When they say they don't wanna distribute where maybe we are distributing, I don't know any place where we distribute our product that our competitors are not.
Bjørn Gulden: What has been good for us, or you can say negative, is that the growth in Originals has been higher than in sportswear, which would tell you that the higher end has actually been more in demand, or we have supplied it more than we have on the lower end. You know, people tend to say we are, or I am too commercial, and they try to build that story. I don't know if that's maybe too, what should I say? They're less focused on themselves. I would measure the growth margin on the different brands. When they say they don't wanna distribute where maybe we are distributing, I don't know any place where we distribute our product that our competitors are not.
Speaker #18: so, I, I don't see that as an issue either. what has been good for us, or you can say negative, is that the growth, in originals has been higher than in sportswear, which would tell you that the higher end has actually been more in demand, or we have supplied it more than we have, on the lower end.
Speaker #18: So, so y-you know, people tend to say we are or I am too commercial and they try to build that story. I don't know if that's maybe too, how should I say?
Speaker #18: too less focused on themselves. I would measure the gross margin, on the different brands. and then when they say they don't wanna distribute, where maybe we are distributing, I don't know any place where we distribute our product.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, it's very easy if you go to a store to see what brands are there. I have never gone into a distribution where I'm the only brand, not in my previous jobs or on this job. I think the brands that end up in the wrong channels are maybe because what they tried to do in the right channels didn't work, and then they have to clear it, right?
Speaker #18: That our competitors are not. and, and, and, you know, it's very easy if you go to a store to see what brands are there and I have never gone into a distribution where I'm the only brand.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, it's very easy if you go to a store to see what brands are there. I have never gone into a distribution where I'm the only brand, not in my previous jobs or on this job. I think the brands that end up in the wrong channels are maybe because what they tried to do in the right channels didn't work, and then they have to clear it, right?
Speaker #18: Not in my previous jobs or on this job. So, I, I think the brands that end up in the wrong channels are maybe because what they try to do in the right channels didn't work, and then they have to clear it, right?
Andreas Riemann: Mm-hmm.
Andreas Riemann: Mm-hmm.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, I don't agree with the stretching distribution because I don't think you will find us in any distribution that you will say is wrong. If you do, then please call me, because then I would like to know about it myself.
Bjørn Gulden: Again, I don't agree with the stretching distribution because I don't think you will find us in any distribution that you will say is wrong. If you do, then please call me, because then I would like to know about it myself.
Speaker #18: so.
Speaker #20: Mm-hmm.
Speaker #18: again, I, I, I don't agree with, with, stretching distribution because I, I don't think you will find those in any distribution that you will say is wrong.
Speaker #18: If you do, then please call me, because I would like to know about it myself.
Andreas Riemann: No, I only made the point because the number of wholesale partners, if I'm not mistaken, was growing from 100+ to 200+ in the last 3 years, if I'm not mistaken, right? That's why my question.
Andreas Riemann: No, I only made the point because the number of wholesale partners, if I'm not mistaken, was growing from 100+ to 200+ in the last 3 years, if I'm not mistaken, right? That's why my question.
Speaker #20: No, I mean, you made the point because the number of wholesale partners, if I'm not mistaken, was growing from 100-plus to 200-plus in the last three years, if I'm not mistaken, right?
Bjørn Gulden: I don't know what number you're talking about.
Bjørn Gulden: I don't know what number you're talking about.
Speaker #20: That's why my question.
Andreas Riemann: Okay.
Andreas Riemann: Okay.
Bjørn Gulden: Oh, you're talking about visiting headquarters. The number you're referring to-
Bjørn Gulden: Oh, you're talking about visiting headquarters. The number you're referring to-
Speaker #18: I, I don't know what number you're talking about. Oh, do you talk about visiting headquarter? You, you that number you're.
Andreas Riemann: Yeah.
Andreas Riemann: Yeah.
Bjørn Gulden: Is that we double the amount of customers that can see our range here in Herzogenaurach.
Bjørn Gulden: Is that we double the amount of customers that can see our range here in Herzogenaurach.
Speaker #20: Yeah.
Speaker #18: Referring to is that we doubled the amount of customers that can see our range here in Herzl. But that's the same.
Andreas Riemann: Yes.
Andreas Riemann: Yes.
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah, it's just better service. That doesn't mean that they're new customers.
Bjørn Gulden: Yeah, it's just better service. That doesn't mean that they're new customers.
Speaker #20: Yeah.
Speaker #18: It's just yeah, but it's just better service. That doesn't mean that the new customers.
Andreas Riemann: Okay. Okay.
Andreas Riemann: Okay. Okay.
Bjørn Gulden: We don't have more customers now as partners than we had 3 years ago. It is true that they're all allowed, or not all, but many of them are allowed to actually come here to Herzogenaurach because that's why we have the campus, you know. It's not a secret place. This is a place where, you know, the adidas family, both our partners, our athletes, customers can come. That's where you have the number from. We don't have more distribution points, and we can call it the distribution points now than we had 3 year. I would say it's opposite because we had a lot of clearance back in 2023, so there might have been products in the wrong channels, and I don't think you find that now.
Bjørn Gulden: We don't have more customers now as partners than we had 3 years ago. It is true that they're all allowed, or not all, but many of them are allowed to actually come here to Herzogenaurach because that's why we have the campus, you know. It's not a secret place. This is a place where, you know, the adidas family, both our partners, our athletes, customers can come. That's where you have the number from. We don't have more distribution points, and we can call it the distribution points now than we had 3 year. I would say it's opposite because we had a lot of clearance back in 2023, so there might have been products in the wrong channels, and I don't think you find that now.
Speaker #20: Okay. Okay.
Speaker #18: we, we, we, we don't have more customers now as partners than we had three years ago. So, but it is true that they all allowed or not all, but many of them are allowed to actually come here to Herzl because that's why we have the campus, you know?
Speaker #18: It's not the secret place. This is a place where, you know, the Adidas family bought our partners, our athletes, customers, can come. So, that's where you have the number from.
Speaker #18: But, but we don't have more distribution points. and weaker quality distribution points now than we had three years. I would say it's the opposite because we had a lot of clearance back in '23.
Speaker #18: So there might have been products in the wrong channels, and I don't think you find that now.
Andreas Riemann: Okay. Okay, thanks for clarifying.
Andreas Riemann: Okay. Okay, thanks for clarifying.
Bjørn Gulden: No problem.
Bjørn Gulden: No problem.
Sebastian Steffen: Maura, we have time for one more question.
Sebastian Steffen: Maura, we have time for one more question.
Speaker #20: Okay. Okay. Thanks for clarifying.
Speaker #18: No problem.
Operator: Our last question for today comes from the line of Thomas Chauvet from Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #20: Maura, we have time for one more question.
Operator: Our last question for today comes from the line of Thomas Chauvet from Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #21: So our last question for today comes from the line of Monique Pauillard from Citi. Please go ahead.
Monique Pollard: Hi. Afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. Just two from me. The first question was just, you know, given your commentary about being conservative on the wholesale sell-in for Europe and North America, and also, you know, your comments on the level of discounting by some of the retailers in those markets. Just wondered if you had continued being so conservative with the wholesale sell-in in those regions into Q1 or whether you've been a bit more bullish on the sell-in there. The final question, obviously understand that the situation at the moment, very volatile, but just wondered within your EM segment, whether you could break out sort of meaner exposure for the key countries that have been impacted. Thank you.
Thomas Chauvet: Hi. Afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. Just two from me. The first question was just, you know, given your commentary about being conservative on the wholesale sell-in for Europe and North America, and also, you know, your comments on the level of discounting by some of the retailers in those markets. Just wondered if you had continued being so conservative with the wholesale sell-in in those regions into Q1 or whether you've been a bit more bullish on the sell-in there. The final question, obviously understand that the situation at the moment, very volatile, but just wondered within your EM segment, whether you could break out sort of meaner exposure for the key countries that have been impacted. Thank you.
Speaker #22: Hi. Afternoon, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions just to from me. the first question was just, you know, given your commentary about being conservative on the wholesale sell-in for Europe and North America and also, you know, your comments on the level of discounting, by some of the retailers, in those markets.
Speaker #22: Just wondered if you had continued, being so conservative with the wholesale sell-in in those regions into the first quarter, or whether, you'd been a bit more bullish on, on the sell-in there.
Speaker #22: and then the final question obviously understands that the situation at the moment is very volatile, but just wondered, within your EM, segment, whether you could break out sort of meaner exposure for the key countries, that have been impacted.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, I'll start with the emerging markets and the situation. You know that we have six subsidiaries that are affected by this, that are run out of the Dubai office, and of course, they are in a terrible situation, and most of them sitting in lockdowns. Also, you know, from time to time sitting in shelters. The only focus in those markets, the last couple of days has been the safety of our people. Business issues is not really relevant. When it gets to older markets in the regions, there are stores that are actually open. In certain of the markets, the government are asking us to keep them open. If our people are then willing or want to keep them open, we do.
Bjørn Gulden: Well, I'll start with the emerging markets and the situation. You know that we have six subsidiaries that are affected by this, that are run out of the Dubai office, and of course, they are in a terrible situation, and most of them sitting in lockdowns. Also, you know, from time to time sitting in shelters. The only focus in those markets, the last couple of days has been the safety of our people. Business issues is not really relevant. When it gets to older markets in the regions, there are stores that are actually open. In certain of the markets, the government are asking us to keep them open. If our people are then willing or want to keep them open, we do.
Speaker #22: Thank you.
Speaker #18: Well, I'll start with the emerging markets and the situation. You know that we have six subsidiaries that are affected by this, that are run out of the Dubai office.
Speaker #18: And of course, they are in a terrible situation. And most of them sitting in lockdowns. And also, you know, from time to time, sitting in shelters.
Speaker #18: So, the only focus in those markets the last couple of days has been the safety of our people. Business issues are not really relevant.
Speaker #18: when it gets to other markets in the regions, there are stores that are actually open. and in certain of the markets, the government are asking us to keep them open.
Bjørn Gulden: It's again, the local decision on how we or how they, what should I say, behave in a very difficult situation. Our job from a headquarter is just to support them. We even offer to charter planes and fly people out if that's what they want. There's no financial limitation on anything that they can do. As always in these situations, the people that are used to living in a volatile world have a different attitude than us and are extremely strong. Again, are doing fantastic things. The impact on the business is impossible to say right now, and it's not even something we look at, to be honest. When it gets to the global business, we don't see any impact short term on this.
Speaker #18: And if our people are unwilling or want to, to keep them open, we do. so, it's again, the local decision on how, we or how they, what should I say, behave.
Bjørn Gulden: It's again, the local decision on how we or how they, what should I say, behave in a very difficult situation. Our job from a headquarter is just to support them. We even offer to charter planes and fly people out if that's what they want. There's no financial limitation on anything that they can do. As always in these situations, the people that are used to living in a volatile world have a different attitude than us and are extremely strong. Again, are doing fantastic things. The impact on the business is impossible to say right now, and it's not even something we look at, to be honest. When it gets to the global business, we don't see any impact short term on this.
Speaker #18: in a very difficult situation, and our job from a headquarters is just to support them. we even offer to charter planes and fly people out if that's what they want.
Speaker #18: and there's no financial limitation on anything that, they can do. situations, the people that are used to living in a volatile world have a different attitude than us.
Speaker #18: And are extremely strong, and, and, and again, are, are doing fantastic things. The impact on the business, it's impossible to say right now, and it's not even something we look at, to be honest.
Speaker #18: When it gets to the global business, we don't see any impact short-term on this. and there's no what should I say? Other means than being very close to everything that we can.
Bjørn Gulden: There is no, what should I say? All the means and being very close to everything that we can. There is an area where we will see problems, that's on air freight, you know, because of the situation in the airspace, and a lot of planes being grounded, that we will have delays on certain, what should I say? Products that needs air freight. That could be samples that we need for meetings. It could be, you know, special products for special events. Also that there is no impact right now that would adjust any numbers, to be honest. Same thing on the cost base. It's like, yes, we see oil going up, but we currently don't have any guesstimates or estimates what impact that could have.
Bjørn Gulden: There is no, what should I say? All the means and being very close to everything that we can. There is an area where we will see problems, that's on air freight, you know, because of the situation in the airspace, and a lot of planes being grounded, that we will have delays on certain, what should I say? Products that needs air freight. That could be samples that we need for meetings. It could be, you know, special products for special events. Also that there is no impact right now that would adjust any numbers, to be honest. Same thing on the cost base. It's like, yes, we see oil going up, but we currently don't have any guesstimates or estimates what impact that could have.
Speaker #18: There is an area where we will see problems. That's on air freight, you know, because of the situation in the airspace. and a lot of planes being grounded that we will have delays on, on certain, what should I say, products.
Speaker #18: That means air freight that could be samples that we need for meetings. it could be, you know, special products for special events. but also that, there is no impact right now that we'd adjust any numbers, to be honest.
Speaker #18: same thing on the cost base. It's like, yes, we see oil going up, but we currently don't have any guesstimates or estimates what impact that could have.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, in freight and all that, we currently have long-term contracts that also doesn't react short term. It's too early to say, and I think you agree, we all hope that, as I said, that some of these countries will run out of rockets so that people will talk instead of shooting at each other. The hope is, of course, that talking will cause some kind of peace. I think that's the only thing that I can say. When it gets to the conservative selling in the wholesale, I think there's, the quote is more coming from that we have currently not been willing to do these deals that we talked about. You know, a lot of retailers, and I can understand them, are looking for deals.
Bjørn Gulden: You know, in freight and all that, we currently have long-term contracts that also doesn't react short term. It's too early to say, and I think you agree, we all hope that, as I said, that some of these countries will run out of rockets so that people will talk instead of shooting at each other. The hope is, of course, that talking will cause some kind of peace. I think that's the only thing that I can say. When it gets to the conservative selling in the wholesale, I think there's, the quote is more coming from that we have currently not been willing to do these deals that we talked about. You know, a lot of retailers, and I can understand them, are looking for deals.
Speaker #18: And you know, in, in, in freight and all that, we currently have long-term contracts that, that also doesn't, react short-term. So, it's too early to say, and I think you agree, we all hope, that, as I said, that some of these, countries will run out of rockets so that people will talk instead of shooting at each other, and then the hope is, of course, that talking will cause some kind of peace.
Speaker #18: I think that's, that's the only thing that, that I can say. When it gets to the conservative sell-in in the wholesale, I think there's, the quote is more coming from that we have currently not been willing to do these deals that we talked about.
Speaker #18: you know, a lot of retailers, and I can understand them, are looking for deals. If it's clearance or if it is, you know, even production if they commit to bigger volumes where they will get a, a higher discount.
Bjørn Gulden: If it's clearance or if it is, you know, even production, if they commit to bigger volumes where they will get a higher discount, and then that allows them again to sell discount. I think if you follow the retail environment, especially in Europe and US, you will see that a lot of products that used to be full price are now discounted. We have... I mean, Matthew is not here, but our commercial director has so far avoided to do these deals, because it's obvious as soon as you start to do it's like a drug, right? I mean, if you are onto it's hard to get off it.
Bjørn Gulden: If it's clearance or if it is, you know, even production, if they commit to bigger volumes where they will get a higher discount, and then that allows them again to sell discount. I think if you follow the retail environment, especially in Europe and US, you will see that a lot of products that used to be full price are now discounted. We have... I mean, Matthew is not here, but our commercial director has so far avoided to do these deals, because it's obvious as soon as you start to do it's like a drug, right? I mean, if you are onto it's hard to get off it.
Speaker #18: and then that allows them again to sell discount. And I think if you follow, the retail environment, especially in Europe and the US, you will see that a lot of products that used to be full price allow and, we have, I mean, Mathieu, he's not here, but our commercial director has so far avoided to do these deals.
Speaker #18: because it's obvious as soon as you start to do it, it's like a drug, right? I mean, if you are onto it, it's hard to get off it.
Bjørn Gulden: I think you see that in our gross margin that we have been able to kind of, at least in our own business and also the wholesale business, to avoid it. That our product is being discounted is of course there because if a retailer does 20% in the window or does vouchers on online, it also affect us, but it doesn't take our margin down because then it's the cost of the retailer, right? Again, we are looking at it, but we're not running after every sale by making deals and are hoping and believing that the market will dry up in the sense that it is not necessary.
Bjørn Gulden: I think you see that in our gross margin that we have been able to kind of, at least in our own business and also the wholesale business, to avoid it. That our product is being discounted is of course there because if a retailer does 20% in the window or does vouchers on online, it also affect us, but it doesn't take our margin down because then it's the cost of the retailer, right? Again, we are looking at it, but we're not running after every sale by making deals and are hoping and believing that the market will dry up in the sense that it is not necessary.
Speaker #18: and I think you see that in our gross margin that we have been able to kind of, at least in our own business and also the wholesale business, to avoid it.
Speaker #18: That our product has been discounted is, of course, there because if a retailer does 20% in, in the window or does vouchers on online, it also aff-affects us, but it doesn't take our margin down because then it's the cost of the retailer, right?
Speaker #18: So, so again, we are looking at it. but we're not running after every sale. by making deals, and our hoping and believing that the market will dry up in the sense that it is not necessary.
Bjørn Gulden: We hope that all the companies, our industry have the health that we can actually avoid it because it of course takes the profit pool in the industry down.
Bjørn Gulden: We hope that all the companies, our industry have the health that we can actually avoid it because it of course takes the profit pool in the industry down.
Speaker #18: and, we hope that all the companies of industry have the health that we can actually avoid it because it, it, it, of course, takes the profit pool in the industry down.
[Company Representative] (adidas): Very clear. Thank you.
Thomas Chauvet: Very clear. Thank you.
Bjørn Gulden: Thanks, Monique. Thanks, Maura. Thanks very much to Björn and Harm. Of course, as always, thanks very much to all of you for participating in our call today. As always, if you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to Adrian, Philip, Chiara, or myself. We very much look forward to speaking with you. In fact, we're actually looking forward to meeting with you as we will be on the road quite a bit, both here in Europe and also in the US. Lastly, you've heard it from Björn. We of course hope to welcome all of you here on our beautiful campus later this year for our Innovation Day. The details about this, the detailed timing at the end of September will follow soon. Thanks again for your participation. Speak soon. All the best. Bye-bye.
Sebastian Steffen: Thanks, Thomas. Thanks, Maura. Thanks very much to Björn and Harm. Of course, as always, thanks very much to all of you for participating in our call today. As always, if you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to Adrian, Philip, Chiara, or myself. We very much look forward to speaking with you. In fact, we're actually looking forward to meeting with you as we will be on the road quite a bit, both here in Europe and also in the US. Lastly, you've heard it from Björn. We of course hope to welcome all of you here on our beautiful campus later this year for our Innovation Day. The details about this, the detailed timing at the end of September will follow soon. Thanks again for your participation. Speak soon. All the best. Bye-bye.
Speaker #1: Very clear. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Monique. thanks, Maura. Thanks very much to Björn and Harm, and of course, as always, thanks very much to all of you for participating in our call today.
Speaker #2: As always, if you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to Adrian, Philip, Chiara, or myself. We very much look forward to speaking with you.
Speaker #2: In fact, we're actually looking forward to meeting with you as we will be on the road quite a bit, both here in, Europe and also in the US.
Speaker #2: And, lastly, you've heard it from Björn, we, of course, hope to welcome all of you here on our beautiful campus, later this year for our Innovation Day.
Speaker #2: The details about this, and the detailed timing at the end of September, will follow soon. So, thanks again for your participation. Speak soon. All the best.