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Q1 2026 Insteel Industries Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Hello, and welcome everyone to the Insteel Industries Q1 2026 earnings call. My name is Becky, and I will be your operator today. All lines will be muted throughout the presentation portion of the call, with a chance for Q&A at the end.
Operator: Hello and welcome everyone to the Insteel Industries Q1 2026 earnings call. My name is Becky, and I will be your operator today. All lines will be muted throughout the presentation portion of the call, with a chance for Q&A at the end. If you wish to ask a question at this time, please press star, followed by 1 on your telephone keypads. I will now hand over to your host, H.O. Woltz, CEO, to begin. Please go ahead.
Operator: Hello and welcome everyone to the Insteel Industries Q1 2026 earnings call. My name is Becky, and I will be your operator today. All lines will be muted throughout the presentation portion of the call, with a chance for Q&A at the end. If you wish to ask a question at this time, please press star, followed by 1 on your telephone keypads. I will now hand over to your host, H.O. Woltz, CEO, to begin. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: If you wish to ask a question at this time, please press Start, followed by 1 on your telephone keypads. I will now hand over to your host, H.
Speaker #1: Woltz, CEO, to begin. Please go.
Speaker #1: ahead. Good morning.
H.O. Woltz III: Good morning. Thank you for your interest in Insteel, and welcome to our Q1 2026 conference call, which will be conducted by Scot Jafroodi, our Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer, M.E. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of the comments made in our presentation are considered to be forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These risk factors are described in our periodic filings with the SEC. The upturn in business activity we reported previously continued during our Q1, and our fiscal 2025 acquisitions continue to perform well.
H.O. Woltz III: Good morning. Thank you for your interest in Insteel, and welcome to our Q1 2026 conference call, which will be conducted by Scot Jafroodi, our Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer, M.E. Before we begin, let me remind you that some of the comments made in our presentation are considered to be forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. These risk factors are described in our periodic filings with the SEC. The upturn in business activity we reported previously continued during our Q1, and our fiscal 2025 acquisitions continue to perform well.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your interest in Insteel, and welcome to our first quarter 2026 conference call, which will be conducted by Scot Jafroodi, our Vice President, CFO, and Treasurer, ME.
Speaker #2: Before we begin, let me remind you that some of the comments made in our presentation are considered to be forward-looking statements that are subject to various risks and uncertainties, which could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected.
Speaker #2: These risk factors are described in our periodic filings with the SEC. The upturn in business activity we reported previously continued during our first quarter, and our fiscal 2025 acquisitions continue to perform well.
Speaker #2: While our ability to forecast future activity is limited, we are encouraged by the level of optimism in our markets, as well as brisk order entry up to this point in January, that causes us to believe that 2026 will be a strong year for the company.
H.O. Woltz III: While our ability to forecast future activity is limited, we are encouraged by the level of optimism in our markets, as well as brisk order entry up to this point in January, that causes us to believe that 2026 will be a strong year for the company. While the relative strength of our markets is real, we are aware of uncertainties created by the administration's trade policies, the nation's fiscal conditions, and by the economic cycle. I'm going to turn the call over to Scot to comment on our financial results, and following Scot's comments, I'll pick the call back up to discuss our business outlook.
While our ability to forecast future activity is limited, we are encouraged by the level of optimism in our markets, as well as brisk order entry up to this point in January, that causes us to believe that 2026 will be a strong year for the company. While the relative strength of our markets is real, we are aware of uncertainties created by the administration's trade policies, the nation's fiscal conditions, and by the economic cycle. I'm going to turn the call over to Scot to comment on our financial results, and following Scot's comments, I'll pick the call back up to discuss our business outlook.
Speaker #2: While the relative strength of our markets is real, we are aware of uncertainties created by the administration's trade policies, the nation's fiscal conditions, and by the economic cycle.
Speaker #2: I'm going to turn the call over to Scott to comment on our financial results, and following Scott's comments, I'll take the call back up to discuss our business outlook.
Speaker #2: Thank you, H. And good morning to everyone joining us today. As highlighted in this morning's press release, we delivered a strong start to the year.
Scot Jafroodi: Thank you, H. And good morning to everyone joining us today. As highlighted in this morning's press release, we delivered a strong start to the year. Q1 results benefited from improved demand for our concrete reinforcing products, with support at wider spreads between selling prices and raw material costs. Net earnings for the quarter rose $7.6 million or $0.39 per share, compared with $1.1 million or $0.06 per share in the same period last year. It's also worth noting that last year's Q1 results included $1 million of restructuring charges and acquisition-related costs, which collectively reduced earnings per share by $0.04. Q1 shipments, which are typically our softest period due to winter weather conditions and holiday schedules, increased 3.8% year over year. On a sequential basis, shipments declined 9.7% from the Q4, which is consistent with normal seasonal patterns.
Scot Jafroodi: Thank you, H. And good morning to everyone joining us today. As highlighted in this morning's press release, we delivered a strong start to the year. Q1 results benefited from improved demand for our concrete reinforcing products, with support at wider spreads between selling prices and raw material costs. Net earnings for the quarter rose $7.6 million or $0.39 per share, compared with $1.1 million or $0.06 per share in the same period last year. It's also worth noting that last year's Q1 results included $1 million of restructuring charges and acquisition-related costs, which collectively reduced earnings per share by $0.04. Q1 shipments, which are typically our softest period due to winter weather conditions and holiday schedules, increased 3.8% year over year. On a sequential basis, shipments declined 9.7% from the Q4, which is consistent with normal seasonal patterns.
Speaker #2: First quarter results benefited from improved demand for our concrete reinforcing products, which support a wider spread between selling prices and raw material costs. Net earnings for the quarter rose to $27.6 million, or $0.39 per share, compared with $1.1 million, or $0.06 per share, in the same period last year.
Speaker #2: It's also worth noting that last year's first quarter results included $1 million of restructuring charges and acquisition-related costs, which collectively reduced earnings per share by 4 cents.
Speaker #2: First quarter shipments, which are typically our softest period due to winter weather conditions and holiday schedules, increased 3.8% year over year. On a sequential basis, shipments declined 9.7% from the fourth quarter, which is consistent with normal seasonal patterns.
Speaker #2: The year-over-year growth in shipments reflects improved demand across our commercial and infrastructure markets, along with incremental buying from the acquisitions we completed early last year.
Scot Jafroodi: The year-over-year growth in shipments reflects improved demand across our commercial and infrastructure markets, along with incremental buying from the acquisitions we completed early last year. As we move forward, our year-over-year buying comparisons will normalize now that these acquisitions are fully integrated into our run rate. Turning to pricing, average selling prices increased 18.8% year over year. This reflects the pricing actions we took throughout fiscal 2025 to offset higher steel wire rod costs, which were driven by tight domestic supply conditions and increased Section 232 steel tariffs, as well as to address rising operating costs. Sequentially, average selling prices were essentially unchanged from the Q4, as we did not take additional pricing actions during the current period. However, with scrap and wire rod prices now moving higher again, we implemented our own price increases across most product lines, which took effect earlier this month.
The year-over-year growth in shipments reflects improved demand across our commercial and infrastructure markets, along with incremental buying from the acquisitions we completed early last year. As we move forward, our year-over-year buying comparisons will normalize now that these acquisitions are fully integrated into our run rate. Turning to pricing, average selling prices increased 18.8% year over year. This reflects the pricing actions we took throughout fiscal 2025 to offset higher steel wire rod costs, which were driven by tight domestic supply conditions and increased Section 232 steel tariffs, as well as to address rising operating costs. Sequentially, average selling prices were essentially unchanged from the Q4, as we did not take additional pricing actions during the current period. However, with scrap and wire rod prices now moving higher again, we implemented our own price increases across most product lines, which took effect earlier this month.
Speaker #2: As we move forward, our year-over-year buying comparisons will normalize now that these acquisitions are fully integrated into our run rate. Turning to pricing, average selling prices increased 18.8% year over year.
Speaker #2: This reflects the pricing actions we took throughout fiscal 2025 to offset higher steel wire rod costs, which were driven by tight domestic supply conditions and increased Section 232 steel tariffs, as well as to address rising operating costs.
Speaker #2: Sequentially, average selling prices were essentially unchanged from the fourth quarter, as we did not take additional pricing actions during the current period. However, with scrap and wire rod prices now moving higher again, we implemented our own price increases across most product lines, which took effect earlier this month.
Speaker #2: Gross profit for the quarter improved to $18.1 million from $9.5 million a year ago, with gross margin expanding 400 basis points to 11.3% from 7.3%.
Scot Jafroodi: Gross profit for the quarter improved to $18.1 million from $9.5 million a year ago, with gross margin expanding 400 basis points to 11.3% from 7.3%. This improvement was driven by widening spreads, higher shipment volumes, and lower unit manufacturing costs. On a sequential basis, gross profit declined by $10.5 million from the Q4, and gross margin narrowed by 480 basis points, driven primarily by the consumption of higher cost inventory. As I just mentioned, the price increase implemented in January is expected to benefit Q2 spreads and margins as higher selling prices begin to align with the consumption of lower cost inventories under the first-in-first-out accounting methodology. SG&A expenses for the quarter rose by approximately $900,000 to $8.8 million, or 5.5% of net sales, compared with $7.9 million, or 6.1% of net sales, in the prior year.
Gross profit for the quarter improved to $18.1 million from $9.5 million a year ago, with gross margin expanding 400 basis points to 11.3% from 7.3%. This improvement was driven by widening spreads, higher shipment volumes, and lower unit manufacturing costs. On a sequential basis, gross profit declined by $10.5 million from the Q4, and gross margin narrowed by 480 basis points, driven primarily by the consumption of higher cost inventory. As I just mentioned, the price increase implemented in January is expected to benefit Q2 spreads and margins as higher selling prices begin to align with the consumption of lower cost inventories under the first-in-first-out accounting methodology. SG&A expenses for the quarter rose by approximately $900,000 to $8.8 million, or 5.5% of net sales, compared with $7.9 million, or 6.1% of net sales, in the prior year.
Speaker #2: This improvement was driven by widening spreads, higher shipment volumes, and lower unit manufacturing costs. On a sequential basis, gross profit declined by $10.5 million from the fourth quarter, and gross margin narrowed by 480 basis points, driven primarily by the consumption of higher cost inventory.
Speaker #2: As I just mentioned, the price increase implemented in January is expected to benefit second quarter spreads and margins, as higher selling prices begin to align with the consumption of lower cost inventories under the first-in, first-out accounting methodology.
Speaker #2: SG&A expenses for the quarter rose by approximately $900,000 to $8.8 million, or 5.5% of net sales, compared with $7.9 million, or 6.1% of net sales in the prior year.
Speaker #2: The year-over-year increase was driven primarily by an $800,000 rise in compensation expense under our return on capital-based incentive plans, reflecting stronger financial performance in the current year.
Scot Jafroodi: The year-over-year increase was driven primarily by an $800,000 rise in compensation expense under our return on capital-based incentive plans, reflecting stronger financial performance in the current year. As you may recall, we did not incur any incentive compensation expense in the Q1 of last year. Our effective tax rate decreased to 21% compared to 26.1% in the prior year period. The decline was primarily driven by a reduction in valuation allowance on deferred tax assets, along with a discrete tax item related to the calculation of state deferred taxes. Looking ahead, we expect our effective tax rate for the remainder of the year to be approximately 23%, subject to the level of pre-tax earnings, book-to-tax differences, and the other assumptions and estimates underlying our tax provision calculation.
The year-over-year increase was driven primarily by an $800,000 rise in compensation expense under our return on capital-based incentive plans, reflecting stronger financial performance in the current year. As you may recall, we did not incur any incentive compensation expense in the Q1 of last year. Our effective tax rate decreased to 21% compared to 26.1% in the prior year period. The decline was primarily driven by a reduction in valuation allowance on deferred tax assets, along with a discrete tax item related to the calculation of state deferred taxes. Looking ahead, we expect our effective tax rate for the remainder of the year to be approximately 23%, subject to the level of pre-tax earnings, book-to-tax differences, and the other assumptions and estimates underlying our tax provision calculation.
Speaker #2: As you may recall, we did not incur any incentives compensation expense in the first quarter of last year. Our effective tax rate decreased to 21%, compared to 26.1% in the prior-year period.
Speaker #2: The decline was primarily driven by a reduction in the valuation allowance on deferred tax assets along with a discrete tax item related to the calculation of state deferred taxes.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we expect our effective tax rate for the remainder of the year to be approximately 23%, subject to the level of pre-tax earnings, both to tax differences and the other assumptions and estimates underlying our tax provision calculation.
Speaker #2: Moving to the cash flow statement and balance sheet. Cash flow from operations used $700,000 in the quarter compared to providing $19 million last year.
Scot Jafroodi: Moving to the cash flow statement and balance sheet, cash flow from operations used $700,000 in the quarter compared to providing $19 million last year. Net working capital used $16.6 million in cash in Q1, driven primarily by a $34.5 million increase in inventories, partially offset by a $14.1 million reduction in accounts receivable. The inventory increase reflects higher raw material purchases, including a meaningful amount of offshore material, along with an increase in the average carrying value of inventory. On the receivable side, the decline was largely tied to lower shipments, which is consistent with the normal seasonal slowdown in sales we see this time of year. Our inventory position represented approximately 3.9 months of shipments on a forward-looking basis, calculated off of our forecasted Q2 volumes, compared with 3.5 months at the end of Q4.
Moving to the cash flow statement and balance sheet, cash flow from operations used $700,000 in the quarter compared to providing $19 million last year. Net working capital used $16.6 million in cash in Q1, driven primarily by a $34.5 million increase in inventories, partially offset by a $14.1 million reduction in accounts receivable. The inventory increase reflects higher raw material purchases, including a meaningful amount of offshore material, along with an increase in the average carrying value of inventory. On the receivable side, the decline was largely tied to lower shipments, which is consistent with the normal seasonal slowdown in sales we see this time of year. Our inventory position represented approximately 3.9 months of shipments on a forward-looking basis, calculated off of our forecasted Q2 volumes, compared with 3.5 months at the end of Q4.
Speaker #2: Net working capital used $16.6 million in cash in the first quarter, driven primarily by a $34.5 million increase in inventories, partially offset by a $14.1 million reduction in accounts receivable.
Speaker #2: The inventory increase reflects higher raw material purchases, including a meaningful amount of offshore material, along with an increase in the average carrying value of inventory.
Speaker #2: And on the receivable side, the decline was largely tied to lower shipments, which is consistent with the normal seasonal slowdown in sales we see at this time of year.
Speaker #2: Per quarter, an inventory position represented approximately 3.9 months of shipments on a forward-looking basis, calculated off of our forecasted second quarter volumes. Compared with 3.5 months at the end of the fourth quarter, as we discussed on our prior call, we expected a temporary inventory build in the first quarter as we supplemented domestic wire rod supply with offshore purchases.
Scot Jafroodi: As we discussed on our prior call, we expected a temporary inventory build in the Q1, as we supplemented domestic wire rod supply with offshore purchases. Looking ahead, we expect inventory levels to moderate over the course of the Q2 as purchasing activity normalizes and shipment volumes increase. It's also worth noting that our Q1 inventories are carried at an average unit cost that is generally in line with our Q1 cost of sales and remain below current replacement levels. We incurred $1.5 million in capital expenditures in the Q1 and remain committed to our full-year target of $20 million. H. will provide more detail on this topic in his remarks. In December, we returned $19.4 million of capital to our shareholders through the payment of a $1 per share special cash dividend, in addition to our regular quarterly dividend.
As we discussed on our prior call, we expected a temporary inventory build in the Q1, as we supplemented domestic wire rod supply with offshore purchases. Looking ahead, we expect inventory levels to moderate over the course of the Q2 as purchasing activity normalizes and shipment volumes increase. It's also worth noting that our Q1 inventories are carried at an average unit cost that is generally in line with our Q1 cost of sales and remain below current replacement levels. We incurred $1.5 million in capital expenditures in the Q1 and remain committed to our full-year target of $20 million. H. will provide more detail on this topic in his remarks. In December, we returned $19.4 million of capital to our shareholders through the payment of a $1 per share special cash dividend, in addition to our regular quarterly dividend.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we expect inventory levels to moderate over the course of the second quarter as purchasing activity normalizes and shipment volumes increase. It is also worth noting that our first-quarter inventories are carried at an average unit cost that is generally in line with our first-quarter cost of sales, and remain below current replacement levels.
Speaker #2: We incurred $1.5 million in capital expenditures in the first quarter and remain committed to our full-year target of $20 million. Howard will provide more detail on this topic in his remarks.
Speaker #2: In December, we returned $19.4 million of capital to our shareholders due to payment of a $1 per share special cash dividend in addition to our regular quarterly dividend.
Speaker #2: This marks the ninth time in the last 10 years that we have issued a special dividend and also during the first quarter, we continued our share buyback, repurchasing 745,000 dollars of common equity equal to approximately 24,000 shares.
Scot Jafroodi: This marks the ninth time in the last 10 years that we have issued a special dividend. Also during the Q1, we continued our share buyback, repurchasing $745,000 of common equity, equal to approximately 24,000 shares. From a liquidity perspective, we ended the quarter with $15.6 million in cash on hand and no borrowings outstanding on our $100 million revolving credit facility. Turning to the macro indicators for our construction and markets, the latest readings from two key leading measures, the Architectural Billings Index and the Dodge Momentum Index, continue to signal a mixed and somewhat cautious outlook for non-residential construction activity. In November, the ABI registered 45.3, remaining firmly in negative territory, as any readings below 50 indicates a contraction in activity. This marks the 13th consecutive month of declining billings.
This marks the ninth time in the last 10 years that we have issued a special dividend. Also during the Q1, we continued our share buyback, repurchasing $745,000 of common equity, equal to approximately 24,000 shares. From a liquidity perspective, we ended the quarter with $15.6 million in cash on hand and no borrowings outstanding on our $100 million revolving credit facility. Turning to the macro indicators for our construction and markets, the latest readings from two key leading measures, the Architectural Billings Index and the Dodge Momentum Index, continue to signal a mixed and somewhat cautious outlook for non-residential construction activity. In November, the ABI registered 45.3, remaining firmly in negative territory, as any readings below 50 indicates a contraction in activity. This marks the 13th consecutive month of declining billings.
Speaker #2: From a liquidity perspective, we ended the quarter with $15.6 million in cash on hand and no borrowings outstanding on our $100 million revolving credit facility.
Speaker #2: Turning to the macro indicators for our construction end markets, the latest readings from two key leading measures—the Architectural Billing Index and the Dodge Amendment Index—continue to signal a mixed and somewhat cautious outlook for non-residential commercial construction activity.
Speaker #2: In November, the ABI registered 45.3, remaining firmly in negative territory, as any readings below 50 indicate a contraction in activity. This marks the 13th consecutive month of declining billings.
Speaker #2: Enquiries for new projects showed only modest improvement, and the value of newly signed design contracts continued to soften. In contrast, the Dodge Amendment Index signaled strengthening activity, rising 7% in December and supported by more than 3.5% growth in commercial planning, driven in large part by data center construction.
Scot Jafroodi: Inquiries for new projects showed only modest improvement, and the value of newly signed design contracts continued to soften. In contrast, the Dodge Momentum Index signaled strengthening activity, rising 7% in December and supported by more than 3.5% growth in commercial planning, driven in large part by data center construction. Year over year, the DMI was up 50% overall, including a 45% increase in the commercial segment. Turning to the broader market backdrop, the most recent construction spending data from the US Department of Commerce shows that through August, total construction spending on a seasonally adjusted basis was down about 1.6% year over year. Non-residential spending declined 1.5%, and public highway and street construction, one of our key end markets, was down about 1% compared to the same period last year. Finally, the US.
Inquiries for new projects showed only modest improvement, and the value of newly signed design contracts continued to soften. In contrast, the Dodge Momentum Index signaled strengthening activity, rising 7% in December and supported by more than 3.5% growth in commercial planning, driven in large part by data center construction. Year over year, the DMI was up 50% overall, including a 45% increase in the commercial segment. Turning to the broader market backdrop, the most recent construction spending data from the US Department of Commerce shows that through August, total construction spending on a seasonally adjusted basis was down about 1.6% year over year. Non-residential spending declined 1.5%, and public highway and street construction, one of our key end markets, was down about 1% compared to the same period last year. Finally, the US.
Speaker #2: Year over year, the DMI was up over 50% overall, including a 45% increase in the commercial segment. Turning to the broader market backdrop, the most recent construction spending data from the U.S.
Speaker #2: The Department of Commerce shows that, through August, total construction spending on a seasonally adjusted basis was down about 1.6% year over year. Non-residential spending declined 1.5%, and public highway and street construction, one of our key end markets, was down about 1% compared to the same period last year.
Speaker #2: Finally, the U.S. cement shipments, another key measure that we monitor, fell 4.3% in August and were down 3.4% year to date. That said, as we close out the first quarter of fiscal 2026, we are encouraged by the steady demand we are seeing across our core markets.
Scot Jafroodi: Cement shipments, another key measure that we monitored, fell 4.3% in August and were down 3.4% year to date. That said, as we close out the Q1 of fiscal 2026, we are encouraged by the steady demand we are seeing across our core markets. While we recognize the broader economic backdrop remains uncertain, the demand trends we're seeing and the conversations we're having with customers give us confidence as we look ahead to the balance of the year. This concludes my prepared remarks, and I'll turn the call back over to H.
Cement shipments, another key measure that we monitored, fell 4.3% in August and were down 3.4% year to date. That said, as we close out the Q1 of fiscal 2026, we are encouraged by the steady demand we are seeing across our core markets. While we recognize the broader economic backdrop remains uncertain, the demand trends we're seeing and the conversations we're having with customers give us confidence as we look ahead to the balance of the year. This concludes my prepared remarks, and I'll turn the call back over to H.
Speaker #2: While we recognize the broader economic backdrop remains uncertain, the demand trends we're seeing and the conversations we're having with customers give us confidence as we look ahead to the balance of the year.
Speaker #2: This concludes my prepared remarks. I'll now turn the call back over to H. Thank you, Scott. As I noted in my opening comments, we're pleased with the acceleration in business activity that continued through our first quarter.
H.O. Woltz III: Thank you, Scot. As I noted in my opening comments, we're pleased with the acceleration in business activity that continued through our Q1. Our Q1 performance will never be strong due to the limited number of working days in the quarter after giving effect to Thanksgiving and Christmas shutdowns through much of the industry, and to seasonal weather patterns. So our Q1 results are never indicative of the level of demand for our products, but nevertheless, we're pleased with the performance for the quarter and see no indication that the level of activity in our markets is poised to subside. As we consider the drivers of demand for our products, the facts are no clearer to us today than they have been in the past.
H.O. Woltz III: Thank you, Scot. As I noted in my opening comments, we're pleased with the acceleration in business activity that continued through our Q1. Our Q1 performance will never be strong due to the limited number of working days in the quarter after giving effect to Thanksgiving and Christmas shutdowns through much of the industry, and to seasonal weather patterns. So our Q1 results are never indicative of the level of demand for our products, but nevertheless, we're pleased with the performance for the quarter and see no indication that the level of activity in our markets is poised to subside. As we consider the drivers of demand for our products, the facts are no clearer to us today than they have been in the past.
Speaker #2: Our first quarter performance will never be strong due to the limited number of working days in the quarter, after giving effect to Thanksgiving and Christmas shutdowns through much of the industry, and to seasonal weather patterns.
Speaker #2: So our first quarter results are never indicative of the level of demand for our products, but nevertheless, we're pleased with the performance for the quarter and see no indication that the level of activity in our markets is poised to subside.
Speaker #2: As we consider the drivers of demand for our products, the facts are no clearer to us today than they have been in the past.
Speaker #2: We believe, however, that funding from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is responsible for much of the uptick in demand we've experienced, although we cannot definitively state that any single project was funded by the IIJA.
H.O. Woltz III: We believe, however, that funding from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is responsible for much of the uptick in demand we've experienced, although we cannot definitively state that any single project was funded by IIJA. I suspect the same is true for our customers. They have enjoyed better volume levels without knowing the precise source of funding that drives demand for their products. While IIJA funding expires in the fall of 2026, funded projects will proceed into 2027 and beyond, and the consensus today is that there's bipartisan support for a replacement infrastructure funding mechanism. Of course, that remains to be seen. The other notable source of demand that we expect to remain robust into 2027 is from the data center construction boom that has been well publicized.
We believe, however, that funding from the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is responsible for much of the uptick in demand we've experienced, although we cannot definitively state that any single project was funded by IIJA. I suspect the same is true for our customers. They have enjoyed better volume levels without knowing the precise source of funding that drives demand for their products. While IIJA funding expires in the fall of 2026, funded projects will proceed into 2027 and beyond, and the consensus today is that there's bipartisan support for a replacement infrastructure funding mechanism. Of course, that remains to be seen. The other notable source of demand that we expect to remain robust into 2027 is from the data center construction boom that has been well publicized.
Speaker #2: I suspect the same is true for our customers. They have enjoyed better volume levels without knowing the precise source of funding that drives demand for their products.
Speaker #2: While IIJA funding expires in the fall of 2026, funded projects will proceed into 2027 and beyond, and the consensus today is that there's bipartisan support for a replacement infrastructure funding mechanism.
Speaker #2: Of course, that remains to be seen. The other notable source of demand that we expect to remain robust into 2027 is from the data center construction boom that has been well publicized.
Speaker #2: While community pushback seems to be growing as the scale of data center resource intensity is more fully appreciated, we have commitments from customers for projects that have been approved and funded, and that should run through calendar 2026.
H.O. Woltz III: While community pushback seems to be growing as the scale of data center resource intensity is more fully appreciated, we have commitments from customers for projects that have been approved and funded and that should run through calendar 2026. The timing of the data center activity is fortuitous since other sectors of the private non-residential construction market are weak. We believe the data center work will serve as a timely bridge while we wait for a recovery of more traditional private non-residential projects. Turning to another subject, the steel industry may have been more affected by the administration's tariff policy than any other industry. The Section 232 tariff of 50% on imports of steel has caused market prices in the US for hot-rolled wire rod, our primary raw material, to rise to a level that is 50% to 100% higher than the global market price.
While community pushback seems to be growing as the scale of data center resource intensity is more fully appreciated, we have commitments from customers for projects that have been approved and funded and that should run through calendar 2026. The timing of the data center activity is fortuitous since other sectors of the private non-residential construction market are weak. We believe the data center work will serve as a timely bridge while we wait for a recovery of more traditional private non-residential projects. Turning to another subject, the steel industry may have been more affected by the administration's tariff policy than any other industry. The Section 232 tariff of 50% on imports of steel has caused market prices in the US for hot-rolled wire rod, our primary raw material, to rise to a level that is 50% to 100% higher than the global market price.
Speaker #2: The timing of the data center activity is fortuitous, since other sectors of the private non-residential construction market are weak. We believe the data center work will serve as a timely bridge while we wait for recovery of more traditional private non-residential products.
Speaker #2: Turning to another subject, the steel industry may have been more affected by the administration's tariff policy than any other industry. The Section 232 tariff of 50% on imports of steel has caused market prices in the U.S.
Speaker #2: For hot-rolled wire rod, our primary raw material, to rise to a level that is 50% to 100% higher than the global market price. While we're fortunate that imports of PC strand are now subject to the Section 232 tariff under the derivative products provision, domestic wire rod prices have risen to an extent that dilutes the benefit of the Section 232 tariff on PC strand.
H.O. Woltz III: While we're fortunate that imports of PC strand are now subject to the Section 232 tariff under the Derivative Products Provision, domestic wire rod prices have risen to an extent that dilutes the benefit of the Section 232 tariff on PC strand. Probably of more importance is the uncertainty that continues to surround the administration's tariff policy. Recently, I read that the Secretary of Commerce had speculated that the 232 tariff might be modified or removed with respect to the Europeans if the right trade deal were struck between the US and European Union. It's reasonable to assume that this could be true with respect to other countries as well. Notably, negotiations surrounding USMCA comes to mind. Such speculation by the administration increases uncertainty and instability in US markets. It's important for investors to understand that Insteel operates in a small segment of the domestic hot-rolled carbon steel market.
While we're fortunate that imports of PC strand are now subject to the Section 232 tariff under the Derivative Products Provision, domestic wire rod prices have risen to an extent that dilutes the benefit of the Section 232 tariff on PC strand. Probably of more importance is the uncertainty that continues to surround the administration's tariff policy. Recently, I read that the Secretary of Commerce had speculated that the 232 tariff might be modified or removed with respect to the Europeans if the right trade deal were struck between the US and European Union. It's reasonable to assume that this could be true with respect to other countries as well. Notably, negotiations surrounding USMCA comes to mind. Such speculation by the administration increases uncertainty and instability in US markets. It's important for investors to understand that Insteel operates in a small segment of the domestic hot-rolled carbon steel market.
Speaker #2: Probably of more importance is the uncertainty that continues to surround the administration's tariff policy. Recently, I read that the Secretary of Commerce had speculated that the 232 tariff might be modified or removed with respect to the Europeans if the right trade deal were struck between the U.S.
Speaker #2: and European Union. It's reasonable to assume that this could be true with respect to other countries as well. Notably, negotiations surrounding U.S. MCA come to mind.
Speaker #2: Such speculation by the administration increases uncertainty and instability in U.S. markets. It's important for investors to understand that Insteel operates in a small segment of the domestic hot-rolled carbon steel market.
Speaker #2: Domestic production of wire rod, our primary raw material, is approximately 3.5 million tons per year, while U.S. production of all hot-rolled carbon steel is roughly 100 million tons per year.
H.O. Woltz III: Domestic production of wire rod, our primary raw material, is approximately 3.5 million tons per year, while US production of all hot-rolled carbon steel is roughly 100 million tons per year. Difficult economic conditions in recent years for producers of wire rod resulted in the permanent closure of two producing mills and financial struggles, together with significantly diminished output, for a third producer. Altogether, these curtailments reduced actual domestic production of wire rod by more than 800,000 tons per year and reduced domestic capacity to produce wire rod by nearly 1.2 million tons per year relative to apparent domestic consumption of approximately 5 million tons per year. So, by our calculation, capacity equal to nearly 25% of apparent domestic consumption is offline, most of it permanently. These capacity curtailments, together with the imposition of the Section 232 tariff, caused the US.
Domestic production of wire rod, our primary raw material, is approximately 3.5 million tons per year, while US production of all hot-rolled carbon steel is roughly 100 million tons per year. Difficult economic conditions in recent years for producers of wire rod resulted in the permanent closure of two producing mills and financial struggles, together with significantly diminished output, for a third producer. Altogether, these curtailments reduced actual domestic production of wire rod by more than 800,000 tons per year and reduced domestic capacity to produce wire rod by nearly 1.2 million tons per year relative to apparent domestic consumption of approximately 5 million tons per year. So, by our calculation, capacity equal to nearly 25% of apparent domestic consumption is offline, most of it permanently. These capacity curtailments, together with the imposition of the Section 232 tariff, caused the US.
Speaker #2: Difficult economic conditions in recent years for producers of wire rod resulted in the permanent closure of two producing mills and financial struggles, together with significantly diminished output, for a third producer.
Speaker #2: Altogether, these curtailments reduced actual domestic production of wire rod by more than 800,000 tons per year and reduced domestic capacity to produce wire rod by nearly 1.2 million tons per year, relative to apparent domestic consumption of approximately 5 million tons per year.
Speaker #2: So, by our calculation, capacity equal to nearly 25% of apparent domestic consumption is offline, most of it permanently. These capacity curtailments, together with the imposition of the Section 232 tariff, caused the U.S.
Speaker #2: The wire rod market tightened significantly and created serious questions about the adequacy of domestic supply. Insteel, therefore, turned to the offshore market for a portion of its supply.
H.O. Woltz III: Wire rod market to tighten significantly and created serious questions about the adequacy of domestic supply. Insteel, therefore, turned to the offshore market for a portion of its supply. The economics of offshore transactions, which include substantial freight costs, require the purchase of large quantities, with a resulting impact on inventories and net working capital requirements, as reflected on our balance sheet. Net working capital has risen over $50 million in the last 12 months. We expect to continue importing a portion of our raw material requirement until such time as domestic availability improves. We believe, however, that the net working capital impact of importing will be more muted going forward and that we'll see significant working capital release as market conditions normalize. But it's not possible to quantify this at the present time.
Wire rod market to tighten significantly and created serious questions about the adequacy of domestic supply. Insteel, therefore, turned to the offshore market for a portion of its supply. The economics of offshore transactions, which include substantial freight costs, require the purchase of large quantities, with a resulting impact on inventories and net working capital requirements, as reflected on our balance sheet. Net working capital has risen over $50 million in the last 12 months. We expect to continue importing a portion of our raw material requirement until such time as domestic availability improves. We believe, however, that the net working capital impact of importing will be more muted going forward and that we'll see significant working capital release as market conditions normalize. But it's not possible to quantify this at the present time.
Speaker #2: The economics of offshore transactions, which include substantial freight costs, require the purchase of large quantities, with a resulting impact on inventories and net working capital requirements as reflected on our balance sheet.
Speaker #2: Net working capital has risen over $50 million in the last 12 months. We expect to continue importing a portion of our raw material requirement until such time as domestic availability improves.
Speaker #2: We believe, however, that the working capital impact of importing will be more muted going forward, and that we'll see significant working capital release as market conditions normalize.
Speaker #2: But it's not possible to quantify this at the present time. Finally, turning to CapEx, as mentioned in the release and by Scott, we expect to invest approximately $20 million in our plants and information systems infrastructure during 2026.
H.O. Woltz III: Finally, turning to CapEx, as mentioned in the release and by Scot, we expect to invest approximately $20 million in our plants and information systems infrastructure during 2026. You can expect our investments to support the growth of our engineered structural mesh business, to reduce our cash production costs, and to enhance the robust nature of our information systems. Consistent with past practice, we'll provide quarterly updates of our investment activities and expectations as the year progresses, and we believe our estimate is conservative in keeping with prior forecasts for CapEx levels. Looking ahead, we're aware of substantial risks related to the state of the economy and the administration's tariff policies. Regardless of developments in these areas, we are well positioned to pursue growth-related activities, both organic and through acquisition, and actions to optimize our costs. This concludes our prepared remarks and will now take your questions.
Finally, turning to CapEx, as mentioned in the release and by Scot, we expect to invest approximately $20 million in our plants and information systems infrastructure during 2026. You can expect our investments to support the growth of our engineered structural mesh business, to reduce our cash production costs, and to enhance the robust nature of our information systems. Consistent with past practice, we'll provide quarterly updates of our investment activities and expectations as the year progresses, and we believe our estimate is conservative in keeping with prior forecasts for CapEx levels. Looking ahead, we're aware of substantial risks related to the state of the economy and the administration's tariff policies. Regardless of developments in these areas, we are well positioned to pursue growth-related activities, both organic and through acquisition, and actions to optimize our costs. This concludes our prepared remarks and will now take your questions.
Speaker #2: You can expect our investments to support the growth of our engineered structural mesh business, reduce our cash production costs, and enhance the robust nature of our information systems.
Speaker #2: Consistent with past practice, we'll provide quarterly updates of our investment activities and expectations as the year progresses, and we believe our estimate is conservative, in keeping with prior forecasts for CapEx levels.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we're aware of substantial risk related to the state of the economy and the administration's tariff policies. Regardless of developments in these areas, we are well positioned to pursue growth-related activities, both organic and through acquisition, and actions to optimize our costs.
Speaker #2: This concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now take your questions. Becky, would you please explain the procedure for asking questions? Of course. If you wish to ask a question, please press star, followed by one, on your telephone keypad now.
H.O. Woltz III: Becky, would you please explain the procedure for asking questions?
Becky, would you please explain the procedure for asking questions?
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Speaker #2: ahead. Thanks.
Julio Romero: Thanks. Hey, good morning, H. and Scot. To begin, you sounded pretty constructive on the overall demand outlook, particularly with the data centers and IIJA-related projects. And you mentioned the commitments you have from customers on the data center side that have been approved, funded, and run through calendar 2026. Can you give us a little bit more color on these commitments? Are these new commitments in your pipeline? Have they been accelerating? And what's your sense of how far out these commitments are beyond calendar 2026?
Julio Romero: Thanks. Hey, good morning, H. and Scot. To begin, you sounded pretty constructive on the overall demand outlook, particularly with the data centers and IIJA-related projects. And you mentioned the commitments you have from customers on the data center side that have been approved, funded, and run through calendar 2026. Can you give us a little bit more color on these commitments? Are these new commitments in your pipeline? Have they been accelerating? And what's your sense of how far out these commitments are beyond calendar 2026?
Speaker #3: Hey, good morning, H and Scott. To begin, you sounded pretty constructive on the overall demand outlook, particularly with the data center and IIJA-related projects. You mentioned the commitments you have from customers on the data center side that haven't approved and funded and run through calendar '26.
Speaker #3: Can you give us a little bit more color on these commitments? Are these new commitments in your pipeline? Have they been accelerating, and what's your sense of how far out these commitments are beyond calendar?
Speaker #3: '26? Well,
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I mean, the data center business is new to Insteel as it's new to much of the economy. I think 2025 was the first year we had done any significant data center business. But certainly, now that we're in that market and connected with some of the customers that regularly do that business, we're seeing repeat opportunities and robust demand, which comes as no surprise based on what's been publicized about that industry and that buildout.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I mean, the data center business is new to Insteel as it's new to much of the economy. I think 2025 was the first year we had done any significant data center business. But certainly, now that we're in that market and connected with some of the customers that regularly do that business, we're seeing repeat opportunities and robust demand, which comes as no surprise based on what's been publicized about that industry and that buildout.
Speaker #4: I mean, the data center business is new to Insteel, as it's new to much of the economy. I think 2025 was the first year we had done any significant data center business, but certainly, now that we're in that market and connected with some of the customers that regularly do that business, we're seeing repeat opportunities and robust demand, which comes as no surprise based on what's been publicized about that industry and that—
Speaker #4: I mean, the data center business is new to Insteel, as it's new to much of the economy. I think 2025 was the first year we had done any significant data center business, but certainly now that we're in that market and connected with some of the customers that regularly do that business, we're seeing repeat opportunities and robust demand, which comes as no surprise based on what's been publicized about that industry and that buildout.
Speaker #3: Got it. That's helpful. And talking about the volumes in the quarter that you experienced—growth of roughly 4%—can you talk about how that was affected, if at all, by constraints of wire rod, both in this quarter and on a go-forward basis?
Speaker #3: Got it. That's helpful. And talking about the volumes in the quarter that you experienced, growth of roughly 4%, can you talk about how that was affected, if at all, by constraints of wire rod—both on this quarter and on a go-forward basis?
Julio Romero: Got it. That's helpful. Talking about the volumes in the quarter that you experienced, a growth of roughly 4%, can you talk about how that was affected, if at all, by constraints of wire rod, both on this quarter and on a go-forward basis?
Julio Romero: Got it. That's helpful. Talking about the volumes in the quarter that you experienced, a growth of roughly 4%, can you talk about how that was affected, if at all, by constraints of wire rod, both on this quarter and on a go-forward basis?
Speaker #4: Do you mean just the domestic?
H.O. Woltz III: Do you mean just the domestic situation?
H.O. Woltz III: Do you mean just the domestic situation?
Speaker #4: situation? Yeah.
Julio Romero: Yeah. I think the last couple of quarters you called out that raw material constraints have kind of constrained your volume output in the quarter, but it sounds like that was less of an effect this quarter.
Julio Romero: Yeah. I think the last couple of quarters you called out that raw material constraints have kind of constrained your volume output in the quarter, but it sounds like that was less of an effect this quarter.
Speaker #3: I think the last couple of quarters you called out that raw material constraints have kind of constrained your volume output in the
Speaker #3: Quarter. But it sounds like that, yeah.
Speaker #4: Well, that was less of an effect this quarter. So the reason that I went through the mill closures and sort of the macro picture with respect to wire rod supply and demand is to give readers of our release and participants on this call a sense for why our inventories have grown.
H.O. Woltz III: So the reason that I went through the mill closures and sort of the macro picture with respect to wire rod supply and demand is to give readers of our release, and participants on this call a sense for why our inventories have grown. Our inventories have grown because we are unable to acquire sufficient quantities of wire rod domestically, and we are forced to go offshore. And I'll point out that the situation in the wire rod market is very different than the situation that confronts purchasers of other hot-rolled steel products because the wire rod capacity has contracted significantly, and capacity has expanded significantly in other hot-rolled products. So when we concluded that it was unlikely we could support our business objectives by buying solely domestically, we went to the offshore market to fill the gaps.
H.O. Woltz III: So the reason that I went through the mill closures and sort of the macro picture with respect to wire rod supply and demand is to give readers of our release, and participants on this call a sense for why our inventories have grown. Our inventories have grown because we are unable to acquire sufficient quantities of wire rod domestically, and we are forced to go offshore. And I'll point out that the situation in the wire rod market is very different than the situation that confronts purchasers of other hot-rolled steel products because the wire rod capacity has contracted significantly, and capacity has expanded significantly in other hot-rolled products. So when we concluded that it was unlikely we could support our business objectives by buying solely domestically, we went to the offshore market to fill the gaps.
Speaker #4: Our inventories have grown because we are unable to acquire sufficient quantities of wire rod domestically, and we are forced to go offshore. And I'll point out that the situation in the wire rod market is very different than the situation that confronts purchasers of other hot roll steel products, because wire rod capacity has contracted significantly and capacity has expanded significantly in other hot roll products.
Speaker #4: So, when we concluded that it was unlikely we could support our business objectives by buying solely domestically, we went to the offshore market to fill the gaps.
Speaker #4: And we'll continue to do so until such time as we see that availability improves in the U.S. and that suppliers again are willing to work for an
H.O. Woltz III: We'll continue doing so until such time as we see that availability improves in the US and that suppliers, again, are willing to work for an order.
We'll continue doing so until such time as we see that availability improves in the US and that suppliers, again, are willing to work for an order.
Speaker #4: order. Very helpful context
Julio Romero: Very helpful context there. Last one, if I may, and I'll pass it on, is on the SG&A front. You were able to grow sales by 23% while SG&A grew by 11%. My question is, are you beginning to realize SG&A leverage from your acquisitions of EWP and OWP at this point in time, or is that leverage still coming to your view?
Julio Romero: Very helpful context there. Last one, if I may, and I'll pass it on, is on the SG&A front. You were able to grow sales by 23% while SG&A grew by 11%. My question is, are you beginning to realize SG&A leverage from your acquisitions of EWP and OWP at this point in time, or is that leverage still coming to your view?
Speaker #3: There. Last one, if I may, and I'll pass it on, is on the SG&A front. You were able to grow sales by 23%, while SG&A grew by 11%.
Speaker #3: My question is, are you beginning to realize SG&A leverage from your acquisitions of EWP and OWP at this point in time, or is that leverage still coming in your view?
Speaker #4: Well, I mean, we've certainly realized the synergies we expected to come from the acquisition. And I would say that's really—that, together with the added shipments and sales volume, is really what that acquisition was all about.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I mean, we've certainly realized the synergies we expected to come from the acquisition. I would say that's really that, together with the added shipments and sales volume, is really what that acquisition was all about. We're pleased with its performance, and we're moving along well.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I mean, we've certainly realized the synergies we expected to come from the acquisition. I would say that's really that, together with the added shipments and sales volume, is really what that acquisition was all about. We're pleased with its performance, and we're moving along well.
Speaker #4: And we're pleased with its performance, and we're moving along.
Speaker #4: And we're pleased with its performance, and we're moving along well. Excellent.
Julio Romero: Excellent. I'll pass it on. Thanks very much.
Julio Romero: Excellent. I'll pass it on. Thanks very much.
Speaker #3: I'll pass it on. Thanks very much.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
H.O. Woltz III: Thank you.
H.O. Woltz III: Thank you.
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Speaker #5: Good morning, gentlemen.
Tyson Bauer: Good morning, gentlemen.
Tyson Bauer: Good morning, gentlemen.
Speaker #4: Good morning,
Speaker #4: Good morning, Tyson. Insteel has
H.O. Woltz III: Good morning, Tyson.
H.O. Woltz III: Good morning, Tyson.
Tyson Bauer: Insteel has consistently been able to run counter to the industry stats as far as your ability to grow shipments, your ability to grow as a company versus, I think you mentioned, 13 straight months of billings, ABI billings below 50, and some of the other general industry stats. What has allowed you to run counter to those? And are we seeing an underlying acceleration away from just standard rebar to more of your ESM products and other products that would account to your ability to grow facing those kinds of industry headwinds?
Tyson Bauer: Insteel has consistently been able to run counter to the industry stats as far as your ability to grow shipments, your ability to grow as a company versus, I think you mentioned, 13 straight months of billings, ABI billings below 50, and some of the other general industry stats. What has allowed you to run counter to those? And are we seeing an underlying acceleration away from just standard rebar to more of your ESM products and other products that would account to your ability to grow facing those kinds of industry headwinds?
Speaker #5: You've consistently been able to run counter to the industry stats as far as your ability to grow shipments—your ability to grow as a company.
Speaker #5: Versus, I think you mentioned 13 straight months of billings, ABI billings below 50, and some of the other general industry stats. What has allowed you to run counter to those?
Speaker #5: And are we seeing an underlying acceleration away from just standard rebar to more of your ESM products and other products that would account for your ability to grow, facing those kinds of industry headwinds?
Speaker #4: Well, if I remember correctly, Tyson, the first time that business conditions for Insteel seemed to diverge significantly from what the major macro indices would indicate was 2025.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, if I remember correctly, Tyson, the first time that business conditions for Insteel seemed to diverge significantly from what the major macro indices would indicate was 2025. Several things have happened internally that have helped us with that. Our work in the cast-in-place market has helped. Our acquisitions have helped. So I think there are things going on internally that are different than what you may see in macro indicators for construction activity in the US market. We'll continue pursuing the path that we're pursuing now.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, if I remember correctly, Tyson, the first time that business conditions for Insteel seemed to diverge significantly from what the major macro indices would indicate was 2025. Several things have happened internally that have helped us with that. Our work in the cast-in-place market has helped. Our acquisitions have helped. So I think there are things going on internally that are different than what you may see in macro indicators for construction activity in the US market. We'll continue pursuing the path that we're pursuing now.
Speaker #4: And several things have happened internally that have helped us with that. Our work in the cast-in-place market has helped. Our acquisitions have helped. So I think there are things going on internally that are different than what you may see in macro indicators for construction activity in the U.S. market.
Speaker #4: And we'll continue pursuing the paths that we're pursuing.
Speaker #4: And we'll continue pursuing the paths that we're pursuing now. Okay.
Tyson Bauer: Okay. In the past, you benefited from when we were going into 2000, 2001 with the distribution centers. Now we're looking at data centers, both DC, ironically. You're working with those contractors that specialize there. Are you being specced into those designs as you were with some of the online retail customers before in the DCs? And as we see that develop and that industry grow, you're kind of locked up with that?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. In the past, you benefited from when we were going into 2000, 2001 with the distribution centers. Now we're looking at data centers, both DC, ironically. You're working with those contractors that specialize there. Are you being specced into those designs as you were with some of the online retail customers before in the DCs? And as we see that develop and that industry grow, you're kind of locked up with that?
Speaker #5: In the past, you benefited from when we were going into 2000, 2001, with the distribution centers. Now we're looking at data centers, both DC, ironically.
Speaker #5: You're working with those contractors that specialize there. Are you being specced into those designs as you were with some of the online retail customers before in the DCs?
Speaker #5: And that's—as we see that develop and that industry grow—you're kind of in lockstep with that?
Speaker #4: Yeah, I think every project is different. But as a general rule, I would say no, we are not spec'd in. Rebar is spec'd in.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. I think every project is different. But as a general rule, I would say no, we are not specced in. Rebar is specced in. And we make a conversion of rebar applications to engineered structural mesh applications and rely on the value proposition of our product. And particularly with respect to data centers, one of the significant value propositions that we offer is speed. And these owners and lessors of these centers are really focused on constructing them and getting them up and operating quickly. And our product helps with that whole charge.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. I think every project is different. But as a general rule, I would say no, we are not specced in. Rebar is specced in. And we make a conversion of rebar applications to engineered structural mesh applications and rely on the value proposition of our product. And particularly with respect to data centers, one of the significant value propositions that we offer is speed. And these owners and lessors of these centers are really focused on constructing them and getting them up and operating quickly. And our product helps with that whole charge.
Speaker #4: And we make a conversion of rebar applications to engineered structural mesh applications. And rely on the value proposition of our product, and particularly with respect to data centers, one of the significant value propositions that we offer is speed.
Speaker #4: And these owners and lessors of these centers are really focused on constructing them and getting them up and operating quickly. And our product helps with that whole
Speaker #4: charge. So, you do have an inherent
Tyson Bauer: So you do have an inherent advantage based on what your product is to grow along with that growing segment, that niche?
Tyson Bauer: So you do have an inherent advantage based on what your product is to grow along with that growing segment, that niche?
Speaker #5: Advantage based on what your product is, to grow along with that growing segment, that niche.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I mean, I think the value proposition of our product relative to rebar is solid. There's no question about that.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. I mean, I think there is the value proposition of our product relative to rebar, is solid. There's no question about that.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. I mean, I think there is the value proposition of our product relative to rebar, is solid. There's no question about that.
Speaker #5: Okay. Inventory levels—it sounds like that may have peaked this past quarter. We'll see a gradual downtick. Will that downtick accelerate as we get into fiscal Q3 and Q4?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Inventory levels, it sounds like that may have peaked this past quarter. We'll see a gradual downtick. Will that downtick accelerate as we get into fiscal Q3 and Q4?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Inventory levels, it sounds like that may have peaked this past quarter. We'll see a gradual downtick. Will that downtick accelerate as we get into fiscal Q3 and Q4?
Speaker #4: Well, I think it depends on the level of shipments that we see, and if the scenario that we believe will unfold actually unfolds—and that is one of strong business conditions in 2026—then I think that's correct.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I think it depends on the level of shipments that we see and if the scenario that we believe will unfold actually unfolds, and that is one of strong business conditions in 2026, then I think that's correct. But keep in mind that we will go back to the offshore market for Q3 and Q4 if we don't see significant improvements in the balance of supply and demand domestically.
H.O. Woltz III: Well, I think it depends on the level of shipments that we see and if the scenario that we believe will unfold actually unfolds, and that is one of strong business conditions in 2026, then I think that's correct. But keep in mind that we will go back to the offshore market for Q3 and Q4 if we don't see significant improvements in the balance of supply and demand domestically.
Speaker #4: But keep in mind that we will go back to the offshore market for Q3 and Q4 if we don't see significant improvements in the balance of supply and demand domestically.
Speaker #5: Okay. The CapEx—$20 million—is that roughly split 50/50? Maintenance, $10 million, $10 million for, whether it be cost reductions or product line expansions, more on the growth side or improvement in margin?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. The CapEx $20 million, is that roughly split 50/50? Maintenance $10 million, $10 million for whether it be cost reductions or product line expansions, more of the growth side or improvement in margin? Is that kind of the split you're looking at?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. The CapEx $20 million, is that roughly split 50/50? Maintenance $10 million, $10 million for whether it be cost reductions or product line expansions, more of the growth side or improvement in margin? Is that kind of the split you're looking at?
Speaker #5: Is that kind of the split you're looking for?
Speaker #5: Is that kind of the split you're looking at? I'd say.
H.O. Woltz III: I'd say that's close to correct. We're still identifying some of the capacity expansion opportunities that exist out there. Of course, we're always interested in incorporating new technology into our manufacturing operations that will help us reduce the cash cost of operation. We still have the underlying labor availability issue. As you might suspect, the more new technology we bring into the plants, the less labor-intensive our operation is. So we're very much oriented toward looking at that.
H.O. Woltz III: I'd say that's close to correct. We're still identifying some of the capacity expansion opportunities that exist out there. Of course, we're always interested in incorporating new technology into our manufacturing operations that will help us reduce the cash cost of operation. We still have the underlying labor availability issue. As you might suspect, the more new technology we bring into the plants, the less labor-intensive our operation is. So we're very much oriented toward looking at that.
Speaker #4: That's close to correct. We're still identifying some of the capacity expansion opportunities that exist out there. And of course, we're always interested in incorporating new technology into our manufacturing operations that will help us reduce the cash cost of operation.
Speaker #4: And we still have the underlying labor availability issue, as you might suspect. The more new technology we bring into the plants, the less labor-intensive our operation is.
Speaker #4: So, we're very much oriented toward looking at that.
Speaker #5: Okay, last one for me. As the administration goes to Davos and splits the LA plan to increase and incentivize greater activity in the residential side, which is about 15% of your overall business, betting against the administration has proved that futile.
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Last one for me. As the administration goes to Davos, it's supposed to lay a plan to increase and incentivize greater activity in the residential side, which is about 15% of your overall business. Betting against the administration has proved futile. So you kind of go with what they're pushing, especially in an election year. How quickly can that residential market for you turn where it becomes a benefit as opposed to just kind of being stuck in the mud the last couple of years?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Last one for me. As the administration goes to Davos, it's supposed to lay a plan to increase and incentivize greater activity in the residential side, which is about 15% of your overall business. Betting against the administration has proved futile. So you kind of go with what they're pushing, especially in an election year. How quickly can that residential market for you turn where it becomes a benefit as opposed to just kind of being stuck in the mud the last couple of years?
Speaker #5: So, you kind of go with what they're pushing, especially in an election year. How quickly can that residential market, for you, turn where it becomes a benefit as opposed to just kind of being stuck in the mud the last couple of years?
Speaker #4: My view would be probably not fast enough to have any meaningful impact on 2026 for Insteel. More importantly, our participation in residential markets would be related to slab-on-grade construction of housing units, where those slabs are post-tensioned.
H.O. Woltz III: My view would be probably not fast enough to have any meaningful impact on 2026 for Insteel. More importantly, our participation in residential markets would be related to slab-on-grade construction of housing units where those slabs are post-tensioned and we're using PC strand. That is the segment of business where we knock heads with the imports most closely.
H.O. Woltz III: My view would be probably not fast enough to have any meaningful impact on 2026 for Insteel. More importantly, our participation in residential markets would be related to slab-on-grade construction of housing units where those slabs are post-tensioned and we're using PC strand. That is the segment of business where we knock heads with the imports most closely.
Speaker #4: And we're using PC strand. And that is the segment of the business where we knock heads with the imports most.
Speaker #4: closely. Okay.
Tyson Bauer: Okay. I'm going to sneak one in. The labor costs outlook, we've heard other companies talk about general wage increases, health costs, on that side of it. Have you indexed or looked at labor cost increases for this year and what kind of offsets you have there?
Tyson Bauer: Okay. I'm going to sneak one in. The labor costs outlook, we've heard other companies talk about general wage increases, health costs, on that side of it. Have you indexed or looked at labor cost increases for this year and what kind of offsets you have there?
Speaker #5: I'm going to sneak one in. Labor costs outlook – we've heard other companies talk about general wage increases, health costs, and that side of it.
Speaker #5: Have you indexed or looked at labor cost increases for this year, and what kind of offsets you have there?
Speaker #4: Yeah. So, we have 11 or 12 different considerations, because we look at prevailing labor markets in each of the areas where we operate. And they're each different.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. So we have 11 or 12 different considerations because we look at prevailing labor markets in each of the areas where we operate, and they're each different. But the upward pressure on labor costs still exists. We're incurring significant reciprocal and Section 232 tariff expenses in purchases of non-raw material items like spare parts. We're seeing energy increase. The inflationary environment is alive and well within our operations. And really, like I say, everyone is an independent event.
H.O. Woltz III: Yeah. So we have 11 or 12 different considerations because we look at prevailing labor markets in each of the areas where we operate, and they're each different. But the upward pressure on labor costs still exists. We're incurring significant reciprocal and Section 232 tariff expenses in purchases of non-raw material items like spare parts. We're seeing energy increase. The inflationary environment is alive and well within our operations. And really, like I say, everyone is an independent event.
Speaker #4: But the upward pressure on labor costs still exists, where incurring significant reciprocal and Section 232 tariff expenses in purchases of non-raw material items like spare parts. We're seeing energy increase.
Speaker #4: The inflationary environment is alive and well within our operations. And really, like I say, everyone's an independent is an independent
Speaker #4: event. Okay.
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Thank you, gentlemen.
Tyson Bauer: Okay. Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker #5: Thank you, gentlemen.
Speaker #1: Thank you. We currently have no further questions, so I'll hand back over to the management team for closing.
Operator: Thank you. We currently have no further questions, so I'll hand back over to the management team for closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. We currently have no further questions, so I'll hand back over to the management team for closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Okay. We appreciate your interest in Insteel and its operating results, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. In the meantime, if you have questions, don't hesitate to follow up with us.
H.O. Woltz III: Okay. We just appreciate your interest in Insteel and its operating results, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. In the meantime, if you have questions, don't hesitate to follow up with us. Thank you.
H.O. Woltz III: Okay. We just appreciate your interest in Insteel and its operating results, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. In the meantime, if you have questions, don't hesitate to follow up with us. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank
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