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Q4 2025 General Dynamics Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good morning and welcome to the General Dynamics Fourth Quarter 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be on a listen-only mode. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the General Dynamics Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Shelton, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the General Dynamics Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Shelton, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key, followed by the number one, on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Nicole Shelton, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go
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Speaker #2: Operator, good morning, everyone. Welcome to—thank you,
Nicole Shelton: Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the General Dynamics Q4 2025 conference call. Any forward-looking statements made today represent our estimates regarding the company's outlook. These estimates are subject to some risks and uncertainties. Additional information regarding these factors is contained in the company's 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K filings. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. For additional disclosures about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, please see the slides that accompany this webcast, which are available on the investor relations page of our website, investorrelations.gd.com. On the call today are Phebe Novakovic, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Danny Deep, President, and Kim Kuryea, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Phebe.
Nicole Shelton: Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the General Dynamics Q4 2025 conference call. Any forward-looking statements made today represent our estimates regarding the company's outlook. These estimates are subject to some risks and uncertainties. Additional information regarding these factors is contained in the company's 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K filings. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. For additional disclosures about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, please see the slides that accompany this webcast, which are available on the investor relations page of our website, investorrelations.gd.com. On the call today are Phebe Novakovic, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Danny Deep, President, and Kim Kuryea, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Phebe.
Speaker #2: the General Dynamics Fourth Quarter 2025 conference call. Any forward-looking statements made today represent our estimates regarding the company's outlook. These estimates are subject to some risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: Additional information regarding these factors is contained in the company's 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K filings. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. For additional disclosures about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations to comparable GAAP measures, please see the slides that accompany this webcast, which are available on the Investor Relations page of our website investorrelations.gd.com.
Speaker #2: On the call today are Phebe Novakovic, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Danny Deep, President, and Kim Kuryea, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Phebe.
Speaker #2: On the call today are Phebe Novakovic, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Danny Deep, President; and Kim Kuryea, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Phebe.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Nicole. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for being with us. Earlier this morning, we reported Fourth Quarter earnings of $4.17 per diluted share on revenue of $14,379, operating earnings of $1,452, and net earnings of $1,143.
Phebe Novakovic: Thank you, Nicole. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for being with us. Earlier this morning, we reported Q4 earnings of $4.17 per diluted share on revenue of $14.379 billion, operating earnings of $1.452 billion, and net earnings of $1.143 billion. To briefly summarize, on a quarter-over-quarter basis, revenue is up 7.8% and operating earnings are up 2%. Net earnings and diluted earnings per share are relatively flat to the year-ago quarter, which you may recall was a terrific quarter. It included some significant one-time items, which drove unusually high margins, but more about that later. The sequential comparisons are quite attractive.
Phebe Novakovic: Thank you, Nicole. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for being with us. Earlier this morning, we reported Q4 earnings of $4.17 per diluted share on revenue of $14.379 billion, operating earnings of $1.452 billion, and net earnings of $1.143 billion. To briefly summarize, on a quarter-over-quarter basis, revenue is up 7.8% and operating earnings are up 2%. Net earnings and diluted earnings per share are relatively flat to the year-ago quarter, which you may recall was a terrific quarter. It included some significant one-time items, which drove unusually high margins, but more about that later. The sequential comparisons are quite attractive.
Speaker #3: To briefly summarize, on a quarter-over-quarter basis, revenue is up 7.8% and operating earnings are up 2%. Net earnings and diluted earnings per share are relatively flat to the year-ago quarter.
Speaker #3: What you may recall was a terrific quarter. It included some significant one-time items, which drove unusually high margins, but more about that later. The sequential comparisons are quite attractive.
Speaker #3: Here, we beat the prior quarter's revenue by 11.4%, operating earnings by 9.1%, net earnings by 7.9%, and fully diluted EPS by $0.29. Full-year numbers are absolutely terrific.
Phebe Novakovic: Here, we beat the prior quarter's revenue by 11.4%, operating earnings by 9.1%, net earnings by 7.9%, and fully diluted EPS by $0.29. Full year numbers are absolutely terrific. Revenue is up 10.1%, operating earnings are up 11.7%, net earnings are up 11.3%, and fully diluted EPS is up 13.4%. Both revenue and operating earnings were up for each of the segments, led by Marine Systems and Aerospace, with revenue growth of 16.6% and 16.5%, respectively. They also led the parade in operating earnings, with Marine Systems up 25.9% and Aerospace up 19.3% for the year. All of this follows terrific revenue and earnings growth in 2024 over 2023.
Here, we beat the prior quarter's revenue by 11.4%, operating earnings by 9.1%, net earnings by 7.9%, and fully diluted EPS by $0.29. Full year numbers are absolutely terrific. Revenue is up 10.1%, operating earnings are up 11.7%, net earnings are up 11.3%, and fully diluted EPS is up 13.4%. Both revenue and operating earnings were up for each of the segments, led by Marine Systems and Aerospace, with revenue growth of 16.6% and 16.5%, respectively. They also led the parade in operating earnings, with Marine Systems up 25.9% and Aerospace up 19.3% for the year. All of this follows terrific revenue and earnings growth in 2024 over 2023.
Speaker #3: Revenue is up 10.1%, operating earnings are up 11.7%, net earnings are up 11.3%, and fully diluted EPS is up 13.4%. Both revenue and operating earnings were up for each of the segments led by marine systems and aerospace, with revenue growth of 16.6% and 16.5%, respectively.
Speaker #3: Operating earnings, with Marine, also led the parade in systems—up 25.9%, and Aerospace up 19.3% for the year. All of this follows terrific revenue and earnings growth in 2024 over 2023.
Speaker #3: It would appear that we beat analyst consensus for both the year and the quarter. So, let's move on to the business units. First, Aerospace.
Phebe Novakovic: It would appear that we beat analyst consensus for both the year and the quarter. So let's move on to the business units. First, Aerospace. In Aerospace for the year, we experienced continuing growth of both revenue and earnings, continuing strong demand for Gulfstream aircraft, overall strength in Gulfstream service business, and continued growth and performance improvement at Jet Aviation. In the quarter, Aerospace had revenue of $3.788 billion and earnings of $481 million. This represents a 1.2% increase in revenue, but $104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis. While the earning numbers are very good on a standalone basis, they do not compare favorably to a standout fourth quarter in the prior year, aided by a number of discrete positive items that were significant increments to earnings.
It would appear that we beat analyst consensus for both the year and the quarter. So let's move on to the business units. First, Aerospace. In Aerospace for the year, we experienced continuing growth of both revenue and earnings, continuing strong demand for Gulfstream aircraft, overall strength in Gulfstream service business, and continued growth and performance improvement at Jet Aviation. In the quarter, Aerospace had revenue of $3.788 billion and earnings of $481 million. This represents a 1.2% increase in revenue, but $104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis. While the earning numbers are very good on a standalone basis, they do not compare favorably to a standout fourth quarter in the prior year, aided by a number of discrete positive items that were significant increments to earnings.
Speaker #3: In Aerospace for the year, we experienced continuing growth of both revenue and demand for Gulfstream aircraft, earnings, continuing strong Gulfstream services business, and continued overall strength in growth and performance improvement at Jet Aviation.
Speaker #3: In the quarter, aerospace had revenue of $3,788, and earnings of $481. This represents a 1.2% increase in revenue, but 104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis.
Speaker #3: good on a standalone basis, they do While the earning numbers are very not compare favorably to a standout Fourth Quarter in the prior year, aided by a number of discrete positive items that were significant increments to earnings.
Speaker #3: However, the sequential numbers are very positive with a 17.1% increase in revenue, coupled with an 11.9% increase in operating earnings. Importantly for the year, aerospace revenue of 13.1 billion is 16.5% greater than 2024.
Phebe Novakovic: However, the sequential numbers are very positive, with a 17.1% increase in revenue, coupled with an 11.9% increase in operating earnings. Importantly, for the year, Aerospace revenue of $13.1 billion is 16.5% greater than 2024. This is on top of a 30.5% growth in 2024 over 2023. Revenue growth was driven in large part by the delivery of 158 new aircraft, which is 22 more than the year ago. Earnings of $1.75 billion are up 19.3% over 2024. So let's talk a little about demand. It was a strong quarter, bordering on exceptional.
However, the sequential numbers are very positive, with a 17.1% increase in revenue, coupled with an 11.9% increase in operating earnings. Importantly, for the year, Aerospace revenue of $13.1 billion is 16.5% greater than 2024. This is on top of a 30.5% growth in 2024 over 2023. Revenue growth was driven in large part by the delivery of 158 new aircraft, which is 22 more than the year ago. Earnings of $1.75 billion are up 19.3% over 2024. So let's talk a little about demand. It was a strong quarter, bordering on exceptional.
Speaker #3: This is on top of a 30.5% growth in 2024 over 2023. Revenue growth was driven in large part by the delivery of 158 new aircraft, which is 22 more than a year ago.
Speaker #3: Earnings of $1.75 billion are up 19.3% over 2024. So let's talk a little about demand. It was a strong quarter boarding on exceptional. Aerospace had a book-to-bill of $1.3 times in the quarter, and Gulfstream alone had an aircraft book-to-bill of $1.4 times.
Phebe Novakovic: Aerospace had a book-to-bill of 1.3 times in the quarter, and Gulfstream alone had an aircraft book-to-bill of 1.4 times, even as deliveries increased significantly in the quarter. Orders exceeded our internal plan.... The delivery of the G700 and G800, and their performance in customer hands is driving increased demand for them, which we experienced in the quarter. We continue to see improved interest across all models in all sales jurisdictions. Interestingly, the overall number of prospects in all areas continues to increase. Let me turn the discussion over to Danny Deep for his perspective on the quarter.
Aerospace had a book-to-bill of 1.3 times in the quarter, and Gulfstream alone had an aircraft book-to-bill of 1.4 times, even as deliveries increased significantly in the quarter. Orders exceeded our internal plan.... The delivery of the G700 and G800, and their performance in customer hands is driving increased demand for them, which we experienced in the quarter. We continue to see improved interest across all models in all sales jurisdictions. Interestingly, the overall number of prospects in all areas continues to increase. Let me turn the discussion over to Danny Deep for his perspective on the quarter.
Speaker #3: Even as deliveries increased significantly at the end of the quarter, orders exceeded our internal plan. The delivery of the G700 and G800 and their performance in customer hands is driving increased demand for them, which we experienced in the quarter.
Speaker #3: We continue to see improved interest across all models in all sales number of prospects in all jurisdictions. Interestingly, the overall areas continues to increase.
Speaker #3: Let me turn the discussion over to Danny for his perspective on the
Speaker #3: quarter.
Speaker #4: Thank you. So I want to spend some
Speaker #4: time exploring the 104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis. As you might imagine, there were lots of puts and takes in the quarter.
Danny Deep: Thank you. So I want to spend some time exploring the $104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis. As you might imagine, there were lots of puts and takes in the quarter. The margin issue was the G600 product line, which had $75 million less in earnings. That was attributable to the delivery of three fewer aircraft in the quarter, a $21 million variance in liquidated damages and favorable settlements in the prior year's quarter, some higher overhead than in the prior quarter, and the imposition of tariffs in this quarter, but not in the Q4 of 2024. If we adjust for these items, the earnings and margin rate on the G600 are very similar for both quarters. On a quarter-over-year-ago quarter basis, earnings on the G500, Gulfstream services, and Jet Aviation were down modestly.
Danny Deep: Thank you. So I want to spend some time exploring the $104 million decrease in operating earnings on a quarter-over-quarter basis. As you might imagine, there were lots of puts and takes in the quarter. The margin issue was the G600 product line, which had $75 million less in earnings. That was attributable to the delivery of three fewer aircraft in the quarter, a $21 million variance in liquidated damages and favorable settlements in the prior year's quarter, some higher overhead than in the prior quarter, and the imposition of tariffs in this quarter, but not in the Q4 of 2024. If we adjust for these items, the earnings and margin rate on the G600 are very similar for both quarters. On a quarter-over-year-ago quarter basis, earnings on the G500, Gulfstream services, and Jet Aviation were down modestly.
Speaker #4: The margin issue was the G600 product line, which had 75 million less in earnings. That was attributable to the delivery of three fewer aircraft in the quarter, a 21 million variance in liquidated damages and favorable settlements in the prior year's quarter, some higher overhead than in the prior quarter, and the imposition of tariffs in this quarter but not in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Speaker #4: If we adjust for these items, the earnings and margin rate on the G600 are very similar for both quarters. On a quarter-over-year-over-quarter basis, earnings on the G500, Gulfstream services, and jet aviation were down modestly.
Speaker #4: Now, in all of this, there is some good news. The earnings for the G800 more than replaced the G650 earnings on the same basis.
Danny Deep: Now, in all of this, there are some good news. The earnings for the G800 more than replaced the G650 earnings on the same basis. The G700 also experienced higher earnings despite two fewer deliveries. Obviously, margins are improving nicely on that product. Phebe?
Now, in all of this, there are some good news. The earnings for the G800 more than replaced the G650 earnings on the same basis. The G700 also experienced higher earnings despite two fewer deliveries. Obviously, margins are improving nicely on that product. Phebe?
Speaker #4: The G700 also experienced higher earnings despite two fewer deliveries. Obviously, margins are improving nicely on that product.
Speaker #4: Phebe? So, let's move on to the
Speaker #1: defense businesses. First, combat systems. Combat systems had revenue of $2.5 billion for the quarter, $5.8% more than the year-ago quarter. Earnings of $381 million are also up 7% on a 10 basis point operating margin improvement.
Phebe Novakovic: So let's move on to the defense businesses. First, Combat Systems. Combat Systems had revenue of $2.5 billion for the quarter, 0.8% more than the year ago quarter. Earnings of $381 million are also up 7% on a 10 basis point operating margin improvement. Operating margin of 15% is very good. The sequential growth of revenue and earnings at 12.6% and 13.7% is even stronger, with particular strength at OTS. For the full year, revenue of $9.2 billion is up 2.8%, and earnings of $1.33 billion are up 4.3% as a result of a 20 basis point increase in operating margins as compared to a year ago. All in all, a very nice profile, but the real story is in the order book.
Phebe Novakovic: So let's move on to the defense businesses. First, Combat Systems. Combat Systems had revenue of $2.5 billion for the quarter, 0.8% more than the year ago quarter. Earnings of $381 million are also up 7% on a 10 basis point operating margin improvement. Operating margin of 15% is very good. The sequential growth of revenue and earnings at 12.6% and 13.7% is even stronger, with particular strength at OTS. For the full year, revenue of $9.2 billion is up 2.8%, and earnings of $1.33 billion are up 4.3% as a result of a 20 basis point increase in operating margins as compared to a year ago. All in all, a very nice profile, but the real story is in the order book.
Speaker #1: Operating margin of 15% is very good. The sequential growth of revenue and earnings is 12.6% and 13.7% is even stronger, with particular strength at OTF.
Speaker #1: Full year revenue of $9.2 billion is up 2.8%, and earnings of $1.33 billion are up 4.3%, as a result of a 20 basis point increase in operating margins as compared to a year ago.
Speaker #1: All in all, a very nice profile. But the real story is in the order book. Combat saw robust order intake for the fourth quarter, resulting in book-to-bill of $4.3 to $1.
Phebe Novakovic: Combat Systems saw robust order intake for Q4, resulting in book-to-bill of 4.3 to 1. Orders came from across the portfolio, with notable awards in munitions, but exceptional intake in wheeled and tracked vehicle programs at European Land Systems. The book-to-bill for the year is 2.1 times. This all rolls up to a total backlog of $27.2 billion and total estimated contract value of almost $42 billion. This positions Combat Systems very well for the future. In short, this group had a very solid year operationally, with expanded margins, explosive order activity, and a strong order pipeline as we go forward. But before I turn to Marine Systems, I'd like to ask Danny to provide some additional color.
Combat Systems saw robust order intake for Q4, resulting in book-to-bill of 4.3 to 1. Orders came from across the portfolio, with notable awards in munitions, but exceptional intake in wheeled and tracked vehicle programs at European Land Systems. The book-to-bill for the year is 2.1 times. This all rolls up to a total backlog of $27.2 billion and total estimated contract value of almost $42 billion. This positions Combat Systems very well for the future. In short, this group had a very solid year operationally, with expanded margins, explosive order activity, and a strong order pipeline as we go forward. But before I turn to Marine Systems, I'd like to ask Danny to provide some additional color.
Speaker #1: across the portfolio with notable Orders came from awards and munitions, but exceptional intake in wheels and tracked vehicle programs at European land systems. The book-to-bill for the year is $2.1 times.
Speaker #1: This all rolls up to a total backlog of $27.2 billion and total estimated contract value of almost $42 billion. This positions Combat Systems very well for the future.
Speaker #1: In short, this group had a very solid year operationally, with expanded margins, strong order pipeline as we go explosive order activity, and a forward.
Speaker #1: But before I turn to Marine Systems, I'd like to ask Danny to provide some additional
Speaker #1: color. So let me give you some
Speaker #4: additional detail in several key awards. For some time, we have been talking about the strong demand signals we are observing. Particularly in our international portfolio, and as Phoebe mentioned, that demand transitioned to some significant awards in the fourth quarter.
Danny Deep: So let me give you some additional detail on several key awards. For some time, we have been talking about the strong demand signals we were observing, particularly in our international portfolio, and as Phoebe mentioned, that demand transitioned to some significant awards in Q4. In Germany, we received two awards for more than $4 billion for our EAGLE tactical vehicles. In Norway and the United Kingdom, we were awarded $600 million for our bridges, and in Canada, we received awards for $640 million for light armored vehicles, and additional logistics vehicles. Altogether, a nice order distribution, both geographically and across our product portfolio. Here in the United States, working closely with the US Army, we continue to make good progress on the acceleration of the next generation M1E3 main battle tank.
Danny Deep: So let me give you some additional detail on several key awards. For some time, we have been talking about the strong demand signals we were observing, particularly in our international portfolio, and as Phoebe mentioned, that demand transitioned to some significant awards in Q4. In Germany, we received two awards for more than $4 billion for our EAGLE tactical vehicles. In Norway and the United Kingdom, we were awarded $600 million for our bridges, and in Canada, we received awards for $640 million for light armored vehicles, and additional logistics vehicles. Altogether, a nice order distribution, both geographically and across our product portfolio. Here in the United States, working closely with the US Army, we continue to make good progress on the acceleration of the next generation M1E3 main battle tank.
Speaker #4: In Germany, we received two awards for more than $4 billion for our Eagle tactical vehicles. In Norway and the United Kingdom, we were awarded $600 million for our bridges, and in Canada, we received awards for $640 million for light armored vehicles and additional logistics vehicles.
Speaker #4: Altogether, a nice order distribution both geographically and across our product portfolio. Here in the United States, working closely with the U.S. Army, we continue to make good progress on the acceleration of the next-generation M1E3 main battle tank.
Speaker #4: All of this provides a strong base for continued strength at combat. I'll pass it back to
Danny Deep: All of this provides a strong base for continued strength at Combat. I'll pass it back to Phoebe.
All of this provides a strong base for continued strength at Combat. I'll pass it back to Phoebe.
Speaker #4: Phoebe. So turning to marine.
Speaker #1: Once again, our shipbuilding group had exceptional revenue growth. Marine systems revenue of $4.8 billion is up 21.7% against the year-ago quarter. All the shipyards were up, but the submarine programs and electric boat were the real drivers of this growth.
Phebe Novakovic: So, turning to Marine. Once again, our shipbuilding group had exceptional revenue growth. Marine Systems revenue of $4.8 billion is up 21.7% against the year-ago quarter. All the shipyards were up, but the submarine programs at Electric Boat were the real drivers of this growth. I am very pleased to report that operating earnings of $345 million are up 72.5% on a 210 basis point improvement in operating margin. To be fair, the fourth quarter of 2024 was the group's poorest operating earnings in that year. Nevertheless, 7.2% last quarter represents a meaningful improvement and real progress in submarine construction. Sequentially, the numbers are much the same. Revenue increased 17.6%, and operating earnings 18.6%.
Phebe Novakovic: So, turning to Marine. Once again, our shipbuilding group had exceptional revenue growth. Marine Systems revenue of $4.8 billion is up 21.7% against the year-ago quarter. All the shipyards were up, but the submarine programs at Electric Boat were the real drivers of this growth. I am very pleased to report that operating earnings of $345 million are up 72.5% on a 210 basis point improvement in operating margin. To be fair, the fourth quarter of 2024 was the group's poorest operating earnings in that year. Nevertheless, 7.2% last quarter represents a meaningful improvement and real progress in submarine construction. Sequentially, the numbers are much the same. Revenue increased 17.6%, and operating earnings 18.6%.
Speaker #1: I am very pleased to report that operating earnings of $345 million are up 72.5% on a $210 basis point improvement in operating margin. To be fair, the fourth quarter of 2024 was the group's poorest operating earnings in $7.2% last quarter represents a meaningful improvement and real progress in submarine construction.
Speaker #1: Sequentially, the numbers are much the same. Revenue increased 17.6% in operating earnings 18.6%. For the full year, marine billion is up 16.6%, and earnings of $1.18 billion are up 25.9%.
Phebe Novakovic: For the full year, Marine revenue of $1.7 billion is up 16.6%, and earnings of $1.18 billion are up 25.9%. So the story of revenue growth continues with some improvement in operating margin and measurable improvement in productivity. Once again, the operating metrics tell us that we have, in fact, increased our productivity at all shipyards. Danny, feel free to interject your thoughts on Marine from an operating perspective.
For the full year, Marine revenue of $1.7 billion is up 16.6%, and earnings of $1.18 billion are up 25.9%. So the story of revenue growth continues with some improvement in operating margin and measurable improvement in productivity. Once again, the operating metrics tell us that we have, in fact, increased our productivity at all shipyards. Danny, feel free to interject your thoughts on Marine from an operating perspective.
Speaker #1: So the story of revenue growth continues with some improvement in operating margin and measurable improvement in productivity. Once again, the operating metrics tell us that we have in fact increased our productivity at all shipyards.
Speaker #1: Danny, feel free to interject your thoughts on marine from an operating
Speaker #1: perspective. As Phoebe just
Speaker #4: mentioned, we have seen demonstrable increases in productivity and throughput at our shipyards. At electric boat, as you all know, we have made considerable investments over the last several years, and those investments have enabled a significant increase in output.
Danny Deep: As Phoebe just mentioned, we have seen demonstrable increases in productivity and throughput at our shipyards. At Electric Boat, as you all know, we have made considerable investments over the last several years, and those investments have enabled a significant increase in output.... One key measure of output is submarine tonnage produced, and Electric Boat is up 13% over last year. At Bath Iron Works, we are seeing consistent ship-over-ship learning, and at NASSCO, we are seeing a very positive trend in terms of schedule variances against plan for each successive ship we build. Our priority in the marine group is to remain laser-focused on execution and continue to accelerate production, and we are seeing good progress on that front.
Danny Deep: As Phoebe just mentioned, we have seen demonstrable increases in productivity and throughput at our shipyards. At Electric Boat, as you all know, we have made considerable investments over the last several years, and those investments have enabled a significant increase in output.... One key measure of output is submarine tonnage produced, and Electric Boat is up 13% over last year. At Bath Iron Works, we are seeing consistent ship-over-ship learning, and at NASSCO, we are seeing a very positive trend in terms of schedule variances against plan for each successive ship we build. Our priority in the marine group is to remain laser-focused on execution and continue to accelerate production, and we are seeing good progress on that front.
Speaker #4: One key measure of output is submarine tonnage produced, and electric boat is up 13% over last year. At Bath Ironworks, we are seeing consistent ship-over-ship learning, and at NASCO, we are seeing a very positive trend in terms of schedule variances against plan for each successive ship we build.
Speaker #4: Our priority in the Marine group is to remain laser-focused on execution and continue to accelerate production, and we are seeing good progress on that front.
Speaker #1: And lastly, Technologies. It was a solid but no-growth quarter, with revenue of $3.24 billion—about the same as the year-ago quarter. Operating earnings in the quarter of $290 million are down $29 million, on an 80 basis point decrease in operating margin.
Phebe Novakovic: Lastly, technologies. It was a solid but no-growth quarter, with revenue of $3.24 billion, about the same as a year-ago quarter. Operating earnings in the quarter of $290 million are down $29 million on an 80 basis point decrease in operating margin. The full year comparisons are somewhat better. Revenue at $13.5 billion is up 2.6%. Earnings of $1.28 billion are up 1.3% on a very similar operating margin. Let me say that these businesses did very well in an extremely difficult market. The long continuing resolution was particularly impactful, and the examination of all contracts by the Department of Government Efficiency hurt growth and slowed contracting activity early in the year. Nevertheless, these businesses persevered and came through it all on a very good basis.
Phebe Novakovic: Lastly, technologies. It was a solid but no-growth quarter, with revenue of $3.24 billion, about the same as a year-ago quarter. Operating earnings in the quarter of $290 million are down $29 million on an 80 basis point decrease in operating margin. The full year comparisons are somewhat better. Revenue at $13.5 billion is up 2.6%. Earnings of $1.28 billion are up 1.3% on a very similar operating margin. Let me say that these businesses did very well in an extremely difficult market. The long continuing resolution was particularly impactful, and the examination of all contracts by the Department of Government Efficiency hurt growth and slowed contracting activity early in the year. Nevertheless, these businesses persevered and came through it all on a very good basis.
Speaker #1: The full-year comparisons are somewhat better. Revenue at $13.5 billion is up 2.6%, and earnings of $1.28 billion are up 1.3% on a very similar operating margin.
Speaker #1: Let me say that these businesses did very well in an extremely difficult market. The long continuing resolution was particularly impactful, and the examination of all contracts by the Department of Government Efficiency hurt growth and slowed contracting activity early in the year.
Speaker #1: Nevertheless, these businesses persevered and came through it all on a very good basis. Given all of that, the group had very nice order activity for the year.
Speaker #1: Total orders for the group reached $15.9 billion, resulting in a book-to-bill of $0.9 to $1 for the quarter and 1.2 times for the year.
Phebe Novakovic: Given all of that, the group had very nice order activity for the year. Total orders for the group reached $15.9 billion, resulting in a book-to-bill of 0.9 to 1 for the quarter and 1.2 times for the year. This left the group with an increased year-over-year backlog at $16.7 billion and total estimated contract value of $49.9 billion. Pretty well done under the circumstances. Danny will give you a little bit more here.
Given all of that, the group had very nice order activity for the year. Total orders for the group reached $15.9 billion, resulting in a book-to-bill of 0.9 to 1 for the quarter and 1.2 times for the year. This left the group with an increased year-over-year backlog at $16.7 billion and total estimated contract value of $49.9 billion. Pretty well done under the circumstances. Danny will give you a little bit more here.
Speaker #1: This left the group with an increased year-over-year backlog at $16.7 billion, and total estimated contract value of $49.9 billion—pretty well done under the circumstances.
Speaker #1: Danny will give you a little bit more here.
Speaker #4: I'll just give a little more color on how this group is positioned going forward. Phebe mentioned the very solid backlog to end the year.
Danny Deep: I'll just give a little more color on how this group is positioned going forward. Phebe mentioned the very solid backlog to end the year. This, combined with a robust order pipeline of close to $120 billion of qualified opportunities, certainly presents a healthy market picture as we look forward. In addition, at Mission Systems, the transition from legacy programs is complete, allowing them to focus where they have deep domain expertise. This expertise aligns well with their customers' priorities in areas including encryption, subsea warfare, and strategic deterrence. The market outlook, coupled with very solid win and capture rates, positions this group for durable growth beyond this year. I'll turn it back to Phebe.
Danny Deep: I'll just give a little more color on how this group is positioned going forward. Phebe mentioned the very solid backlog to end the year. This, combined with a robust order pipeline of close to $120 billion of qualified opportunities, certainly presents a healthy market picture as we look forward. In addition, at Mission Systems, the transition from legacy programs is complete, allowing them to focus where they have deep domain expertise. This expertise aligns well with their customers' priorities in areas including encryption, subsea warfare, and strategic deterrence. The market outlook, coupled with very solid win and capture rates, positions this group for durable growth beyond this year. I'll turn it back to Phebe.
Speaker #4: This, combined with a robust order pipeline of close to 120 billion dollars of qualified opportunities, certainly presents a healthy market picture as we look forward.
Speaker #4: In addition, at mission systems, the transition from legacy programs is complete, allowing them to focus where they have deep domain expertise. This expertise aligns well with their customers' priorities in areas including encryption, subsea warfare, and strategic deterrence.
Speaker #4: The market outlook, coupled with very solid win and capture rates, positions this group for durable growth beyond this year. I'll turn it back to Phebe.
Speaker #1: Thanks. And let me ask Kim to provide details on our cash performance for the quarter and the year. Overall order activity and backlog, and any other items she might like to address.
Phebe Novakovic: Thanks. And let me ask Kim to provide details on our cash performance for the quarter and the year, overall order activity and backlog, and any other items she might like to address. I'll then come back to discuss our thoughts on 2026.
Phebe Novakovic: Thanks. And let me ask Kim to provide details on our cash performance for the quarter and the year, overall order activity and backlog, and any other items she might like to address. I'll then come back to discuss our thoughts on 2026.
Speaker #1: I'll then come back to discuss our thoughts on 2026.
Speaker #2: morning. Let me first start with orders and backlog. Our order activity Thank you, Phoebe, and good and backlog continued to be a strong story and a highlight for us in 2025.
Kimberly Kuryea: Thank you, Phoebe, and good morning. Let me first start with orders and backlog. Our order activity and backlog continued to be a strong story and a highlight for us in 2025. We achieved an overall book-to-bill ratio for the year of 1.5 to 1, even as revenue grew by 10%. Let me go through the full year book-to-bill rates for 2025 at each of the segments. First, the defense segments. Combat Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 2.1 times, driven by continued robust demand at each business, particularly at European Land Systems, where we received over $10 billion in new awards. Marine Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 1.7 times, with each of our shipyards receiving awards for additional ships in 2025. And Technologies achieved 1.2 times on nice award activity at both GDIT and Mission Systems.
Kimberly Kuryea: Thank you, Phoebe, and good morning. Let me first start with orders and backlog. Our order activity and backlog continued to be a strong story and a highlight for us in 2025. We achieved an overall book-to-bill ratio for the year of 1.5 to 1, even as revenue grew by 10%. Let me go through the full year book-to-bill rates for 2025 at each of the segments. First, the defense segments. Combat Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 2.1 times, driven by continued robust demand at each business, particularly at European Land Systems, where we received over $10 billion in new awards. Marine Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 1.7 times, with each of our shipyards receiving awards for additional ships in 2025. And Technologies achieved 1.2 times on nice award activity at both GDIT and Mission Systems.
Speaker #2: of 1.5 to 1, even book-to-bill ratio for the year We achieved an overall as revenue grew by 10%. Let me go through the full year book-to-bill rates for 2025 at each of the segments.
Speaker #2: First, the defense segments. Combat Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 2.1 times, driven by continued robust demand at each business, particularly at European Land Systems, where we received over $10 billion in new awards.
Speaker #2: Marine Systems achieved a book-to-bill of 1.7 times, with each of our shipyards receiving awards for additional ships in 2025. And Technologies achieved 1.2 times, with nice award activity at both GDIT and Mission Systems.
Speaker #2: Moving to Aerospace, Gulfstream finished the year really strong with their second-best orders quarter since the second quarter of 2008. The full-year, dollar-based book-to-bill for the segment was 1.2 times, marking the fifth consecutive year achieving a book-to-bill greater than one, demonstrating robust demand across our line.
Kimberly Kuryea: Moving to Aerospace, Gulfstream finished the year really strong with their second-best orders quarter since Q2 2008. The full-year dollar-based book-to-bill for this segment was 1.2 times, marking the fifth consecutive year achieving a book-to-bill greater than one. The robust demand across our portfolio resulted in finishing the year with a record total backlog of $118 billion, an astonishing 30% increase over last year. Total estimated contract value, which includes options and IDIQ contracts, ended the year also at a record level of $179 billion, a 24% increase from last year. It's interesting to note that each of the defense segments ended the year at record levels for both of these metrics, and Aerospace ended at levels not seen since the announcement of the G650 in 2008. Turning now to our cash performance for 2025.
Moving to Aerospace, Gulfstream finished the year really strong with their second-best orders quarter since Q2 2008. The full-year dollar-based book-to-bill for this segment was 1.2 times, marking the fifth consecutive year achieving a book-to-bill greater than one. The robust demand across our portfolio resulted in finishing the year with a record total backlog of $118 billion, an astonishing 30% increase over last year. Total estimated contract value, which includes options and IDIQ contracts, ended the year also at a record level of $179 billion, a 24% increase from last year. It's interesting to note that each of the defense segments ended the year at record levels for both of these metrics, and Aerospace ended at levels not seen since the announcement of the G650 in 2008. Turning now to our cash performance for 2025.
Speaker #2: The portfolio resulted in finishing the year with a record total backlog of 118 billion dollars, an astonishing 30% increase over last year. Total estimated contract value which includes options and IDIQ contracts ended the year also at a record level of 179 billion dollars, a 24% increase from last year.
Speaker #2: It's interesting to note that each of the defense segments ended the year at record levels, for both of these metrics, and aerospace ended at levels not seen since the announcement of the G650 in 2008.
Speaker #2: Turning now to our cash performance for 2025. I think it's worth noting how we started the year. As a reminder, at the beginning of 2025, we were expecting a free cash flow conversion rate between 80 and 85% as we worked through some working capital challenges.
Kimberly Kuryea: I think it's worth noting how we started the year. As a reminder, at the beginning of 2025, we were expecting a free cash flow conversion rate between 80 and 85% as we worked through some working capital challenges. As we progressed through the year, we upped that projection to the low 90s. Well, I'm happy to report that we ended 2025 in line with our Q3 expectations. Let's get to the specifics. The Q4 was another strong cash quarter, with operating cash flow of $1.6 billion, which brought us to $5.1 billion of operating cash flow for 2025, $1 billion higher than 2024. After considering capital expenditures, our free cash flow for the year was just shy of $4 billion, for a cash conversion rate of 94%.
I think it's worth noting how we started the year. As a reminder, at the beginning of 2025, we were expecting a free cash flow conversion rate between 80 and 85% as we worked through some working capital challenges. As we progressed through the year, we upped that projection to the low 90s. Well, I'm happy to report that we ended 2025 in line with our Q3 expectations. Let's get to the specifics. The Q4 was another strong cash quarter, with operating cash flow of $1.6 billion, which brought us to $5.1 billion of operating cash flow for 2025, $1 billion higher than 2024. After considering capital expenditures, our free cash flow for the year was just shy of $4 billion, for a cash conversion rate of 94%.
Speaker #2: As we progressed through the year, we upped that projection to the low 90s. Well, I'm happy to report that we ended 2025 in line with our third quarter expectations.
Speaker #2: Let's get to the specifics. The fourth quarter was another strong cash quarter with operating cash flow of 1.6 billion dollars, which brought us to $5.1 billion of operating cash flow for 2025, a billion dollars higher than 2024.
Speaker #2: After considering capital expenditures, our free cash flow for the year was just shy of $4 billion, for a cash conversion rate of 94%. Working capital for the year improved nicely over our original plan due to stronger-than-expected collections and inventory reductions at Gulfstream.
Kimberly Kuryea: Working capital for the year improved nicely over our original plan due to stronger-than-expected collections and inventory reductions at Gulfstream. While all of our business units contributed nicely to our cash flow for the year, during Q4, Combat Systems and Aerospace had particularly strong cash generation. As we signaled, capital expenditures were up significantly in Q4 to $609 million, which adds up to $1.2 billion spent for the full year. For 2025, capital expenditures were in line with our expectations and up almost 30% over 2024. In Q4, we also paid $490 million to purchase assets that were originally under lease. Combined, we invested 3.1% of revenue on assets to support the facilities and fixtures that enabled the continued growth of our businesses.
Working capital for the year improved nicely over our original plan due to stronger-than-expected collections and inventory reductions at Gulfstream. While all of our business units contributed nicely to our cash flow for the year, during Q4, Combat Systems and Aerospace had particularly strong cash generation. As we signaled, capital expenditures were up significantly in Q4 to $609 million, which adds up to $1.2 billion spent for the full year. For 2025, capital expenditures were in line with our expectations and up almost 30% over 2024. In Q4, we also paid $490 million to purchase assets that were originally under lease. Combined, we invested 3.1% of revenue on assets to support the facilities and fixtures that enabled the continued growth of our businesses.
Speaker #2: While all of our business units contributed nicely to our cash flow for the year, during the fourth quarter, combat systems and aerospace had particularly strong cash generation.
Speaker #2: As we signaled, capital expenditures were up significantly in the fourth quarter to $609 million, which adds up to $1.2 billion spent for the full year.
Speaker #2: For 2025, capital expenditures were in line with our expectations and up almost 30% over 2024. In the fourth quarter, we also paid $490 million to purchase assets that were originally under lease.
Speaker #2: Combined, we invested $3.1% of revenue on assets to support the facilities and fixtures that enabled the continued growth of our businesses. During the fourth quarter, we were in the commercial paper market to support our liquidity during the government shutdown, but ended the year with no commercial paper outstanding.
Kimberly Kuryea: During Q4, we were in the commercial paper market to support our liquidity during the government shutdown, but ended the year with no commercial paper outstanding. Our cash balance as of year-end was $2.3 billion, with a net debt position of $5.7 billion, down $1.4 billion from 2024. Moving on to our 2026 cash flow projections. We expect to return to our free cash flow conversion rate goal of 100% of net income. This is based on particularly strong operating cash flow, offsetting elevated levels of continued investment across our businesses. Capital expenditures are expected to increase over $900 million or 79% from 2025.
During Q4, we were in the commercial paper market to support our liquidity during the government shutdown, but ended the year with no commercial paper outstanding. Our cash balance as of year-end was $2.3 billion, with a net debt position of $5.7 billion, down $1.4 billion from 2024. Moving on to our 2026 cash flow projections. We expect to return to our free cash flow conversion rate goal of 100% of net income. This is based on particularly strong operating cash flow, offsetting elevated levels of continued investment across our businesses. Capital expenditures are expected to increase over $900 million or 79% from 2025.
Speaker #2: Our cash balance as of year-end was $2.3 billion, with a net debt position of $5.7 billion down 1.4 billion dollars from 2024. Moving on to our 2026 cash flow projections.
Speaker #2: We expect a return to our free cash flow conversion rate goal of 100% of net income. This is based on particularly strong operating cash flow, offsetting elevated levels of continued investment across our businesses.
Speaker #2: Capital expenditures are expected to increase over $900 million, or 79%, from 2025. Our capital expenditures will equal between 3.5% and 4% of sales as we continue to invest, especially in our shipyards, to accelerate production and meet future demand.
Kimberly Kuryea: Our capital expenditures will equal between 3.5 and 4% of sales as we continue to invest, especially in our shipyards, to accelerate production and meet future demand. The free cash flow for the year breaks down as follows: The quarters are expected to each be positive and grow slightly, with the fourth quarter still representing the largest, but much less of a climb as compared to 2025's plan. We have $1 billion of notes coming due in 2026. Our plan assumes these notes will be refinanced, but this is something that we will continue to evaluate as time approaches. Turning to interest. Our net interest expense in the fourth quarter was $63 million, bringing interest expense for the full year to $314 million.
Our capital expenditures will equal between 3.5 and 4% of sales as we continue to invest, especially in our shipyards, to accelerate production and meet future demand. The free cash flow for the year breaks down as follows: The quarters are expected to each be positive and grow slightly, with the fourth quarter still representing the largest, but much less of a climb as compared to 2025's plan. We have $1 billion of notes coming due in 2026. Our plan assumes these notes will be refinanced, but this is something that we will continue to evaluate as time approaches. Turning to interest. Our net interest expense in the fourth quarter was $63 million, bringing interest expense for the full year to $314 million.
Speaker #2: The free cash flow for the year breaks down as follows: the quarters are expected to each be positive and gross slightly, with the fourth quarter still representing the largest, but much less of a climb as compared to 2025's plan.
Speaker #2: We have $1 billion of notes coming due in 2026. Our plan assumes these notes will be refinanced, but this is something that we will continue to evaluate as time approaches.
Speaker #2: Turning to interest. Our net interest expense in the fourth quarter was $63 million, bringing interest expense for the full year to $314 million. That compares to $76 million and $324 million in the respective 2024 periods.
Speaker #2: Under the assumption that we refinance the maturing notes, we expect interest expense to increase to approximately $340 million due to higher expected interest rates on the new debt.
Kimberly Kuryea: That compares to $76 million and $324 million in the respective 2024 periods. Under the assumption that we refinance the maturing notes, we expect interest expense to increase to approximately $340 million due to higher expected interest rates on the new debt. Wrapping up with income taxes. Our 2025 full-year effective tax rate ended up at 17.5%, consistent with our guidance. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect the tax rate to remain at a similar level. Additionally, our cash taxes should remain around the same level, with both years receiving some benefit from the R&D capitalization recovery. That concludes my remarks. I'll turn it back over to you, Phoebe.
Kimberly Kuryea: That compares to $76 million and $324 million in the respective 2024 periods. Under the assumption that we refinance the maturing notes, we expect interest expense to increase to approximately $340 million due to higher expected interest rates on the new debt. Wrapping up with income taxes. Our 2025 full-year effective tax rate ended up at 17.5%, consistent with our guidance. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect the tax rate to remain at a similar level. Additionally, our cash taxes should remain around the same level, with both years receiving some benefit from the R&D capitalization recovery. That concludes my remarks. I'll turn it back over to you, Phoebe.
Speaker #2: Wrapping up with income taxes. Our 2025 full-year effective tax rate ended up at 17.5%, consistent with our guidance. Looking ahead to 2026, we expect the tax rate to remain at a similar level.
Speaker #2: Additionally, our cash taxes should remain around the same level, with both years receiving some benefit from the R&D capitalization recovery. That concludes my remarks.
Speaker #2: I'll turn it back over to
Speaker #2: you, Phebe.
Speaker #1: Thank you,
Speaker #1: Kim. So let me provide our operating forecast for 2026, with some color around our outlook for each business group, and then the company-wide rollout.
Phebe Novakovic: Thank you, Kim. So let me provide our operating forecast for 2026 with some color around our outlook for each business group and then the company-wide roll-up. In 2026, we expect Aerospace revenue to be about $13.6 billion, up around $500 million over 2025. Operating margin is expected to be increased to around 14%. This should result in operating earnings of around $1.9 billion. Gulfstream deliveries will be 160 with a little upside. This is fairly close to 2025. In Combat Systems, we expect revenue in a range of $9.6 to 9.7 billion, coupled with an operating margin of 14.1%. This should lead to improved earnings around $1.36 billion at the midpoint of the revenue range.
Phebe Novakovic: Thank you, Kim. So let me provide our operating forecast for 2026 with some color around our outlook for each business group and then the company-wide roll-up. In 2026, we expect Aerospace revenue to be about $13.6 billion, up around $500 million over 2025. Operating margin is expected to be increased to around 14%. This should result in operating earnings of around $1.9 billion. Gulfstream deliveries will be 160 with a little upside. This is fairly close to 2025. In Combat Systems, we expect revenue in a range of $9.6 to 9.7 billion, coupled with an operating margin of 14.1%. This should lead to improved earnings around $1.36 billion at the midpoint of the revenue range.
Speaker #1: In 2026, we expect aerospace revenue to be about $13.6 billion, up around $500 million over 2025. Operating margin is expected to increase to around 14%.
Speaker #1: This should result in operating earnings of around $1.9 billion. Gulfstream deliveries will be $160, with a little upside. This is fairly close to 2025.
Speaker #1: In Combat Systems, we expect revenue in a range of $9.6 to $9.7 billion, coupled with an operating margin of 14.1%. This should lead to improved earnings at the midpoint of the revenue, around $1.36 billion at range.
Speaker #1: As I noted earlier, the marine group has been on a remarkable growth story. It will continue in 2026. Our outlook for this year anticipates revenue in a range of $17.3 billion and $17.7 billion, with a 30 basis point improvement at the operating margin line.
Phebe Novakovic: As I noted earlier, the marine group has been on a remarkable growth story. It will continue in 2026. Our outlook for this year anticipates revenue in a range of $17.3 to 17.7 billion, with a 30 basis point improvement at the operating margin line. This should result in operating earnings around $1.3 billion. In technologies, 2026 revenue is expected to be up to $13.8 billion. Operating margins are expected to decrease around 30 basis points to 9.2%. We continue to see long-term, low single-digit growth from the group and continued industry-leading margins. The EBITDA margin is quite impressive. This should leave operating earnings of about $1.3 billion. So for 2026 company-wide, we expect to see revenue in the range of $54.3 to 54.8 billion.
As I noted earlier, the marine group has been on a remarkable growth story. It will continue in 2026. Our outlook for this year anticipates revenue in a range of $17.3 to 17.7 billion, with a 30 basis point improvement at the operating margin line. This should result in operating earnings around $1.3 billion. In technologies, 2026 revenue is expected to be up to $13.8 billion. Operating margins are expected to decrease around 30 basis points to 9.2%. We continue to see long-term, low single-digit growth from the group and continued industry-leading margins. The EBITDA margin is quite impressive. This should leave operating earnings of about $1.3 billion. So for 2026 company-wide, we expect to see revenue in the range of $54.3 to 54.8 billion.
Speaker #1: This should result in operating earnings around $1.3 billion. In Technologies, 2026 revenue is expected to be up to $13.8 billion. Operating margins are expected to decrease around 30 basis points to 9.2%.
Speaker #1: We continue to see long-term, low single-digit growth from the group and continued industry-leading margins. The EBITDA margin is quite impressive. This should leave operating earnings of about $1.3 billion.
Speaker #1: So, for 2026 company-wide, we expect to see revenue in the range of $54.3 billion to $54.8 billion. We anticipate operating margins of 10.4%, up 20 basis points from 2025 actuals.
Phebe Novakovic: We anticipate operating margins of 10.4%, up 20 basis points from the 2025 actuals. This should leave us with operating earnings around $5.7 billion at the midpoint of the anticipated revenue range. All of this rolls up to an EPS forecast between $16.10 and $16.20. None of this contemplates or includes any capital deployment. On a quarter basis, if one were to assume an average of $4 per quarter, Q1 would be off $0.40, Q2 off $0.30, Q3 off $0.10, and Q4 up $0.80 on a typical fourth quarter increase volume. To wrap up, as we go into 2026, we feel very good about our business and the prospects for the year.
We anticipate operating margins of 10.4%, up 20 basis points from the 2025 actuals. This should leave us with operating earnings around $5.7 billion at the midpoint of the anticipated revenue range. All of this rolls up to an EPS forecast between $16.10 and $16.20. None of this contemplates or includes any capital deployment. On a quarter basis, if one were to assume an average of $4 per quarter, Q1 would be off $0.40, Q2 off $0.30, Q3 off $0.10, and Q4 up $0.80 on a typical fourth quarter increase volume. To wrap up, as we go into 2026, we feel very good about our business and the prospects for the year.
Speaker #1: This should leave us with operating earnings around $5.7 billion at the midpoint of the anticipated revenue range. All of this rolls up to an EPS forecast between $16.10 and $16.20.
Speaker #1: None of this contemplates or includes any capital deployment. On a quarter basis, if one were to assume an average of $4 per quarter, the first quarter would be off $0.40, the second off $0.30, the third off $0.10, and the fourth up $0.80 on a typical fourth quarter increase volume.
Speaker #1: To wrap up, as we go into 2026, we feel very good about our business and the prospects for the year. We will do our level best to execute and beat the forecast we have given you.
Speaker #1: As always, we will be laser-focused on operations.
Phebe Novakovic: We will do our level best to execute and beat the forecast we have given you. As always, we will be laser-focused on operations. Nicole, back to you.
We will do our level best to execute and beat the forecast we have given you. As always, we will be laser-focused on operations. Nicole, back to you.
Speaker #1: Nicole back to you. Thank
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Kimberly Kuryea: Thank you, Phebe. As a reminder, we ask participants to ask one question and one follow-up so that everyone has a chance to participate. Operator, could you please remind participants how to enter the queue?
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Speaker #4: Hey, thanks very much. And good morning, everyone.
Speaker #1: Good morning,
Speaker #1: Seth. I
Speaker #4: I wanted to start off by asking maybe about aerospace profitability, and if you can talk about the margin path from here through the product transition to $700 and $800, and $600 going away.
Seth Seifman: Hey, thanks very much, and good morning, everyone.
Seth Seifman: Hey, thanks very much, and good morning, everyone.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning, Seth.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning, Seth.
Seth Seifman: Wanted to start off asking maybe about aerospace profitability, and if you can talk about the margin pattern here for kind of through the product transitions to 700 and 800 and 600 going away. There's some market expense for this year, but-
Seth Seifman: Wanted to start off asking maybe about aerospace profitability, and if you can talk about the margin pattern here for kind of through the product transitions to 700 and 800 and 600 going away. There's some market expense for this year, but-
Speaker #4: There's some margin expense for this year. But.
Speaker #1: Seth, you breaking up a bit. Are you asking about margin?
Speaker #4: Sorry, can you hear me a little bit better now?
Speaker #4: Sorry, can you hear me a little bit better now? Oh, okay. Great. that's better.
Speaker #1: Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Speaker #1: So, if you could say it again, because—thanks.
Phebe Novakovic: Seth, you're breaking up a bit. Are you asking about margin on?
Phebe Novakovic: Seth, you're breaking up a bit. Are you asking about margin on?
Speaker #4: Yeah.
Speaker #1: We got every other word.
Seth Seifman: Yeah, sorry. Can you, can you hear me a little bit better now?
Seth Seifman: Yeah, sorry. Can you, can you hear me a little bit better now?
Speaker #4: Cool. Aerospace profitability, I guess, now that we're through the product transitions, there's some improvement expected in 2026 here. But I think the hope is that those margins become more robust.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah, that's better. Thank you.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah, that's better. Thank you.
Seth Seifman: Oh, okay. Great, thanks.
Seth Seifman: Oh, okay. Great, thanks.
Phebe Novakovic: So if you could say it again, because-
Phebe Novakovic: So if you could say it again, because-
Seth Seifman: Yeah, so-
Seth Seifman: Yeah, so-
Phebe Novakovic: We got every other word.
Phebe Novakovic: We got every other word.
Seth Seifman: Cool. Aerospace profitability, I guess now that we're through the product transitions, you know, there's some improvement expected in 2026 here, but you know, I think the hope is that those margins become more robust. And so how do you think about getting there? And is it the supply chain that's the chief impediment, as you know, we're seeing in some other places as well, and what are the plans to mitigate that?
Seth Seifman: Cool. Aerospace profitability, I guess now that we're through the product transitions, you know, there's some improvement expected in 2026 here, but you know, I think the hope is that those margins become more robust. And so how do you think about getting there? And is it the supply chain that's the chief impediment, as you know, we're seeing in some other places as well, and what are the plans to mitigate that?
Speaker #4: And so, how do you think about getting there? And is it the supply chain that's the chief impediment, as we're seeing in some other places as well?
Speaker #4: And what are the plans to mitigate?
Speaker #4: That? Yeah, I can take that.
Speaker #5: This is Danny here. Yeah, look, we think margins are going to continue to improve as you said, we're up about 70 basis points in 2026 versus 2024.
Danny Deep: Yeah, I can take that. This is Danny here. Yeah, look, we think margins are going to continue to improve. As you said, you know, we're up about 70 basis points in 2026 versus 2024. I think we'll see some improved pricing, improved efficiency, some lower overheads and some lower research and development costs, so that will be helpful. I think right now we have headwinds around tariffs. Some of the cost increases that we've incurred in the supply chain happened before we're able to reflect them in our increased pricing. And we do have the opportunity to increase pricing, but that's often in periods subsequent to when the cost increase has been incurred from the supply chain. But we continue to expect improvement there.
Danny Deep: Yeah, I can take that. This is Danny here. Yeah, look, we think margins are going to continue to improve. As you said, you know, we're up about 70 basis points in 2026 versus 2024. I think we'll see some improved pricing, improved efficiency, some lower overheads and some lower research and development costs, so that will be helpful. I think right now we have headwinds around tariffs. Some of the cost increases that we've incurred in the supply chain happened before we're able to reflect them in our increased pricing. And we do have the opportunity to increase pricing, but that's often in periods subsequent to when the cost increase has been incurred from the supply chain. But we continue to expect improvement there.
Speaker #5: I think we'll see some improved pricing, improved efficiency, some lower overheads, and some lower research and development costs. And that will be helpful. I think right now we have headwinds around tariffs.
Speaker #5: Some of the cost increases that we've incurred in the supply chain happened before we're able to reflect them in our increased pricing. And we do have the opportunity to increase pricing, but that's often in periods subsequent to when the cost increase has been incurred from the supply chain.
Speaker #5: But we continue to expect improvement there.
Speaker #4: All right. Okay. Okay, great. And then maybe if you can update us on your expectations for future submarine contracts—for both Columbia and Virginia—that would be great, in terms of maybe timing and in terms of how they are different than in the...
Seth Seifman: All right. Okay, okay, great. And then, maybe if you can update us on your expectations for future submarine contracts for both Columbia and Virginia, that would be great in terms of maybe timing and in terms of how they are different than in the past.
Seth Seifman: All right. Okay, okay, great. And then, maybe if you can update us on your expectations for future submarine contracts for both Columbia and Virginia, that would be great in terms of maybe timing and in terms of how they are different than in the past.
Speaker #4: past.
Speaker #1: So to be quite honest,
Speaker #1: We don't know. We know that both of those contracts are out there. The demand is there. And it's simply up to the government when they come to us.
Phebe Novakovic: So to be quite honest, we don't know. We know that both of those contracts are out there, the demand is there, and it's simply up to the government when they come to us. So we don't know very much, but when we do, we'll tell you.
Phebe Novakovic: So to be quite honest, we don't know. We know that both of those contracts are out there, the demand is there, and it's simply up to the government when they come to us. So we don't know very much, but when we do, we'll tell you.
Speaker #1: So we don't know very much. But when we do, we'll tell
Speaker #1: you. Okay.
Speaker #4: Great. Thanks very much.
Speaker #3: We'll move next to Doug Harnett at Bernstein.
Speaker #6: Good morning. Thank
Seth Seifman: Okay, great. Thanks very much.
Seth Seifman: Okay, great. Thanks very much.
Speaker #6: you. Hi,
Speaker #6: Hi. Doug. revenues Hang on, Marine. The are look great. The clearly, it appears your throughput's going way up. The Navy has been pushing so long to get throughput up, get to the Virginia class for a year, right?
Operator: We'll move next to Doug Harned at Bernstein.
Operator: We'll move next to Doug Harned at Bernstein.
Doug Harned: Good morning. Thank you.
Doug Harned: Good morning. Thank you.
Phebe Novakovic: Hi, Doug.
Phebe Novakovic: Hi, Doug.
Doug Harned: You know, hi, hanging on Marine. You know, the revenues look great. You know, clearly your throughput's going way up. You know, the Navy has been pushing so long to get throughput up, get to the Virginia-class per year rate. And how would you describe Marine now in terms of kind of closing that gap on where the Navy ultimately wants to be here, given that you've got so much money in the budget right now?
Doug Harned: You know, hi, hanging on Marine. You know, the revenues look great. You know, clearly your throughput's going way up. You know, the Navy has been pushing so long to get throughput up, get to the Virginia-class per year rate. And how would you describe Marine now in terms of kind of closing that gap on where the Navy ultimately wants to be here, given that you've got so much money in the budget right now?
Speaker #6: And how would you describe Marine now, in terms of kind of closing that gap on where the Navy ultimately wants to be here, given that you've got so much money in the budget right now?
Speaker #1: So I'd say we are continuing to improve efficiency. Retention at Electric Boat and throughput, as you know, is up. And the proficiency is really key.
Phebe Novakovic: So I'd say we are continuing to improve efficiency, retention at Electric Boat. Our throughput, as you know, is up, and proficiency is really key, as is retention. The supply chain remains the gating item, and we have seen significant improvement in some areas, but we still have some suppliers and parts of the supply chain that are at risk. The government has been heavily investing in the supply chain, which is why we've seen some improvement. But we need to focus and do more, particularly with respect to sole source suppliers, where they are bottlenecks. So as the supply chain begins to improve and increase their productivity, and by the way, the quality still remains high.
Phebe Novakovic: So I'd say we are continuing to improve efficiency, retention at Electric Boat. Our throughput, as you know, is up, and proficiency is really key, as is retention. The supply chain remains the gating item, and we have seen significant improvement in some areas, but we still have some suppliers and parts of the supply chain that are at risk. The government has been heavily investing in the supply chain, which is why we've seen some improvement. But we need to focus and do more, particularly with respect to sole source suppliers, where they are bottlenecks. So as the supply chain begins to improve and increase their productivity, and by the way, the quality still remains high.
Speaker #1: As is retention. The supply chain remains the gating item, and we have seen significant improvement in some areas, but we still have some suppliers and parts of the supply chain that are at risk.
Speaker #1: The government has been heavily investing in the supply chain. Which is why we've seen some improvement. But we need to focus and do more particularly with respect to sole source suppliers.
Speaker #1: Where they are the bottlenecks. So as the supply chain begins to improve and increase their productivity—and, by the way, the quality still remains high.
Speaker #1: This is not an issue. It's simply really about the constraints that they have in capacity and getting their throughput up. But once they do, that will improve—that will be the next big step in improving our productivity, throughput, and the ability to further accelerate deliveries to the customer.
Phebe Novakovic: So it's not an issue, it's simply really about the constraints that they have and capacity and getting their throughput up. But once they do, that will improve. That will be the next big step in improving our productivity throughput and the ability to further accelerate deliveries to the customer.
So it's not an issue, it's simply really about the constraints that they have and capacity and getting their throughput up. But once they do, that will improve. That will be the next big step in improving our productivity throughput and the ability to further accelerate deliveries to the customer.
Speaker #6: And then on combat, I mean, the backlog story was really strong and clearly high. Europe European demand is very And our assumption would be that that kind of demand growth would continue.
Doug Harned: And then on combat, I mean, you know, the backlog story was really strong, and clearly, European demand is very high. And you know, our assumption would be that that kind of demand growth would continue. When you look at the scale of the backlog increase you're seeing there, how, you know, how long will it take or how, what are your expectations in the ability to convert that to revenue growth over time?
Doug Harned: And then on combat, I mean, you know, the backlog story was really strong, and clearly, European demand is very high. And you know, our assumption would be that that kind of demand growth would continue. When you look at the scale of the backlog increase you're seeing there, how, you know, how long will it take or how, what are your expectations in the ability to convert that to revenue growth over time?
Speaker #6: When you look at the scale of the backlog increase you're seeing there, how long will it take, or what are your expectations in the ability to convert that to revenue growth over time?
Speaker #1: So we'll see some increase in revenue growth this year, and then accelerating into 2027, when we begin to move into production of some of these programs in Europe.
Phebe Novakovic: So we'll see some increase in revenue growth this year and accelerating into 2027, when we begin to move into production of some of these programs in Europe. This year will be largely planning and engineering R&D work, and then as we move into production. So we have a pretty smooth path, we believe, to transition from our engineering work into production, and now we've got the resources, property, plant, and equipment, personnel to execute.
Phebe Novakovic: So we'll see some increase in revenue growth this year and accelerating into 2027, when we begin to move into production of some of these programs in Europe. This year will be largely planning and engineering R&D work, and then as we move into production. So we have a pretty smooth path, we believe, to transition from our engineering work into production, and now we've got the resources, property, plant, and equipment, personnel to execute.
Speaker #1: This year will be largely planning and engineering R&D work. And then as we move into production. So we have a pretty smooth path. We believe to transition from our engineering work into production and now we've got the resources property plant and equipment personnel to
Speaker #1: execute. Very
Speaker #6: good. Thank
Speaker #6: you. We'll go
Speaker #3: Next to Gautam Kana at TD Cowen.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Danny, you made a reference to a tariff impact at Gulfstream at Arrow. I was wondering, how much you guys absorbed in '25, and what are you expecting in '26 if you could frame that?
Scott Deuschle: ... Very good. Thank you.
Scott Deuschle: ... Very good. Thank you.
Operator: We'll go next to Gautam Khanna at TD Cowen.
Operator: We'll go next to Gautam Khanna at TD Cowen.
Gautam Khanna: Yeah, thanks. Good morning.
Gautam Khanna: Yeah, thanks. Good morning.
Danny Deep: Good morning.
Danny Deep: Good morning.
Gautam Khanna: Danny, you made a, you made a reference to the tariff impact at Gulfstream, at Aero. I was wondering, how much you guys absorbed in, in 2025, and what are you expecting in 2026, if you could frame that for us?
Gautam Khanna: Danny, you made a, you made a reference to the tariff impact at Gulfstream, at Aero. I was wondering, how much you guys absorbed in, in 2025, and what are you expecting in 2026, if you could frame that for us?
Speaker #7: that for us? Yeah. Sure.
Speaker #5: Sure. So the impact of tariffs in 2025 was 41 million dollars. But let me help you a little bit with tariff as best I can.
Danny Deep: Yeah, sure.
Danny Deep: Yeah, sure.
Gautam Khanna: Uh, yeah.
Gautam Khanna: Uh, yeah.
Danny Deep: Sure. The impact of tariffs in 2025 was $41 million. But let me help you a little bit with tariff as best as I can. There's a cash outlay when the tariff is imposed, when the material is coming into the country, and but the cost to earnings happens at a different point. As you know, we recognize revenue and earnings when we actually deliver the plane, and that's also when we recognize the tariff impact. And so then there's this other element where how much of that can we get back in terms of some sort of reimbursement, and that's difficult to predict. The tariffs that we are going to see in 2026 are largely based on cash that we expended in 2025.
Danny Deep: Sure. The impact of tariffs in 2025 was $41 million. But let me help you a little bit with tariff as best as I can. There's a cash outlay when the tariff is imposed, when the material is coming into the country, and but the cost to earnings happens at a different point. As you know, we recognize revenue and earnings when we actually deliver the plane, and that's also when we recognize the tariff impact. And so then there's this other element where how much of that can we get back in terms of some sort of reimbursement, and that's difficult to predict. The tariffs that we are going to see in 2026 are largely based on cash that we expended in 2025.
Speaker #5: So there's a cash outlay when the tariff is imposed on the material is coming into the country. And the cost to earnings happens at a different point.
Speaker #5: As you know, we recognize revenue and earnings when we actually deliver the plane, and that's also when we recognize the tariff impact. And so there's this other element, where how much of that can we get back in terms of some sort of reimbursement?
Speaker #5: And that's difficult to predict. So the tariffs that we are going to see in 2026 are largely based on cash that we expended in 2025.
Speaker #5: It will be higher than in 2025, so higher than the 41 million. But those tariffs are contemplated in our 2026
Danny Deep: It will be higher than in 2025, so higher than the $41 million, but those tariffs are contemplated in our 2026 margins.
It will be higher than in 2025, so higher than the $41 million, but those tariffs are contemplated in our 2026 margins.
Speaker #7: Gotcha. Thank you. That's helpful. And if we could just shift to Marine. The increase in 18% sequentially, how much is that at the yard itself in terms of productivity versus in the supply chain?
Gautam Khanna: Gotcha. Thank you. That's helpful. If we're going to shift to Marine, the increase in 18% sequentially, how much is that at the yard itself in terms of productivity versus in the supply chain? Because historically, you guys have called out the supply chain kind of being a constraint, and I'm just wondering how that has improved relative to before.
Gautam Khanna: Gotcha. Thank you. That's helpful. If we're going to shift to Marine, the increase in 18% sequentially, how much is that at the yard itself in terms of productivity versus in the supply chain? Because historically, you guys have called out the supply chain kind of being a constraint, and I'm just wondering how that has improved relative to before.
Speaker #7: Because historically, you guys have called out the supply chain kind of being a constraint. And I was wondering how that has improved. Relative to
Speaker #7: before. Yeah.
Speaker #5: Look, I mean, I don't know how to apportion both of those impacts. But they're both impactful on the margins. I think as Phoebe said, when we get the supply chain operating at a full cadence and at full efficiency, that will have an impact on margins.
Danny Deep: Yeah, look, I mean, I don't know how to apportion both of those impacts, but they're both impactful on the margins. I think as Phoebe said, when we get the supply chain operating at a full cadence and at full efficiency, that will have an impact on margins. And then equally so, our own productivity and focus on execution. As we continue to improve, and we're on that path, we should expect to see improvements in margins, and we think those improvements will be durable and steady, as you've seen from 2024 to 2025, we'll see continued strength there and increases.
Danny Deep: Yeah, look, I mean, I don't know how to apportion both of those impacts, but they're both impactful on the margins. I think as Phoebe said, when we get the supply chain operating at a full cadence and at full efficiency, that will have an impact on margins. And then equally so, our own productivity and focus on execution. As we continue to improve, and we're on that path, we should expect to see improvements in margins, and we think those improvements will be durable and steady, as you've seen from 2024 to 2025, we'll see continued strength there and increases.
Speaker #5: And then equally so, our own productivity and focus on execution as we continue to improve and we're on that path, we should expect to see improvements in margins.
Speaker #5: And we think those improvements will be durable and steady. As you've seen, from 2024 to 2025, we'll see continued strength there, and
Speaker #5: increases. Thank
Speaker #7: You. We'll take our next question from Scott.
Speaker #3: Deutschel at Deutsche
Speaker #3: Bank. Hey, good morning.
Speaker #8: Kim, can you walk us through what drives free cash flow conversion to the 100% range in '26, despite that big step up in CapEx?
Gautam Khanna: Thank you.
Gautam Khanna: Thank you.
Operator: We'll take our next question from Scott Deuschle at Deutsche Bank.
Operator: We'll take our next question from Scott Deuschle at Deutsche Bank.
Speaker #1: Yeah, sure. So we're really looking at basically strong operating performance out of the business units. And that's the major driver. Obviously, we are increasing CapEx to a significant extent.
Scott Deuschle: Hey, good morning. Kim, can you walk us through what drives free cash flow conversion to the 100% range in 2026-
Scott Deuschle: Hey, good morning. Kim, can you walk us through what drives free cash flow conversion to the 100% range in 2026-
Phebe Novakovic: Sure.
Phebe Novakovic: Sure.
Scott Deuschle: -despite that big step up in CapEx?
Scott Deuschle: -despite that big step up in CapEx?
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah, sure. So we're really looking at, you know, basically strong operating performance out of the business units, and that's the major driver. Obviously, we are increasing CapEx to a significant extent, but that's factored in. You know, our goal is to be at 100%, and that's what we're targeting for 2026, and quite frankly, into the next couple of years.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah, sure. So we're really looking at, you know, basically strong operating performance out of the business units, and that's the major driver. Obviously, we are increasing CapEx to a significant extent, but that's factored in. You know, our goal is to be at 100%, and that's what we're targeting for 2026, and quite frankly, into the next couple of years.
Speaker #1: But that's factored in. And we our goal is to be at 100%. And that's what we're targeting for 2026. And quite frankly, into the next couple of
Speaker #1: But that's factored in. And our goal is to be at 100%. That's what we're targeting for 2026, and, quite frankly, into the next couple of years.
Speaker #8: Okay. Just to clarify, is the Navy offering some working capital support for the Navy CapEx?
Speaker #1: Not at this point.
Scott Deuschle: Okay, just to clarify, is the Navy offering some working capital support for the Navy CapEx?
Scott Deuschle: Okay, just to clarify, is the Navy offering some working capital support for the Navy CapEx?
Speaker #1: Not to our knowledge. Okay.
Speaker #8: Okay. And then, Danny, given the strong orders and demand at Gulfstream, as well as the strength on the production and supply chain side, I guess why wouldn't the delivery growth in 2026 be higher than this 1% increase?
Phebe Novakovic: Not at this point.
Phebe Novakovic: Not at this point.
Scott Deuschle: Okay.
Scott Deuschle: Okay.
Phebe Novakovic: Not to our knowledge.
Phebe Novakovic: Not to our knowledge.
Scott Deuschle: Okay. And then, Danny, given the strong orders and demand at Gulfstream, as well as the strength on the production and supply chain side, I guess, why wouldn't the delivery growth in 2026 be higher than this 1% increase? To ask another way, what's the limiting factor on delivery growth at Gulfstream?
Scott Deuschle: Okay. And then, Danny, given the strong orders and demand at Gulfstream, as well as the strength on the production and supply chain side, I guess, why wouldn't the delivery growth in 2026 be higher than this 1% increase? To ask another way, what's the limiting factor on delivery growth at Gulfstream?
Speaker #8: That's another way. What's the limiting factor on delivery growth at Gulfstream?
Speaker #1: So, let me take that on. We have provided you with the deliveries that we are quite comfortable, at the moment, that we can execute.
Phebe Novakovic: Well, let me take that on. We have provided you with the deliveries that we are quite comfortable at the moment that we can execute. Completion, final test, delivery tend to be the long poles in the tent, but we are working to expand our completion capacity through increased efficiency and, where necessary, additional tooling and fixtures. But let's just put this in some perspective. In 2024, we had a 30.5% increase in revenues, and in 2025, we had a 16.5%. That's in the hard-to-do category. So what we're doing right now is working to absorb that growth while increasing margins. So we believe this is a prudent plan. It's focused on meeting our obligations to our customers and expanding our productivity.
Phebe Novakovic: Well, let me take that on. We have provided you with the deliveries that we are quite comfortable at the moment that we can execute. Completion, final test, delivery tend to be the long poles in the tent, but we are working to expand our completion capacity through increased efficiency and, where necessary, additional tooling and fixtures. But let's just put this in some perspective. In 2024, we had a 30.5% increase in revenues, and in 2025, we had a 16.5%. That's in the hard-to-do category. So what we're doing right now is working to absorb that growth while increasing margins. So we believe this is a prudent plan. It's focused on meeting our obligations to our customers and expanding our productivity.
Speaker #1: Completion, final test, and delivery tend to be the long poles in the tent. But we're working to expand our completion capacity through increased efficiency and, where necessary, additional tooling and fixtures.
Speaker #1: But let's just put this in some perspective. In '24, we had a 30 and a half percent increase in revenues. And from in '25, we had a 16 and a half percent.
Speaker #1: That's in the hard-to-do category. So what we're doing right now is working to absorb that growth while increasing margins. We believe this is a prudent plan.
Speaker #1: It's focused on meeting our obligations to our customers, and expanding our productivity.
Speaker #8: Makes sense. Thank you.
Speaker #3: We'll move next to Sheila Gayoglu at
Speaker #3: Jefferies. Good morning, everyone, and great
Speaker #9: Quarter. Maybe, Phebe, I'm just on your last comments, given we're on aviation. The order momentum has been super. Can you talk a little bit about what's driving that?
Scott Deuschle: Makes sense. Thank you.
Scott Deuschle: Makes sense. Thank you.
Operator: We'll move next to Sheila Kahyaoglu at Jefferies.
Operator: We'll move next to Sheila Kahyaoglu at Jefferies.
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Good morning, everyone, and great quarter.
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Good morning, everyone, and great quarter.
Speaker #9: Maybe by geography, was it bonus depreciation or is it the new model introductions you have going
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Maybe, Phoebe, just on your last comments, given we're on aviation, the order momentum has been superb. Can you talk a little bit about what's driving that, maybe by geography? Was it bonus depreciation, or is it the new model introductions you have going in?
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Maybe, Phoebe, just on your last comments, given we're on aviation, the order momentum has been superb. Can you talk a little bit about what's driving that, maybe by geography? Was it bonus depreciation, or is it the new model introductions you have going in?
Speaker #9: in? I think a number of factors have
Speaker #1: Driven the increased demand certainly our new products have. The 800 led the demand, followed by the 700 and the 600. I suspect bonus depreciation was a factor, as is the strength of various economies.
Phebe Novakovic: I think a number of factors have driven the increased demand. Certainly our new products have. The 800 led the demand, followed by the 700 and the 600. I suspect bonus depreciation was a factor, as is the strength of various economies. I would also tell you that the pipeline is active and growing, and we have a good activity. So we like what we see on the demand side.
Phebe Novakovic: I think a number of factors have driven the increased demand. Certainly our new products have. The 800 led the demand, followed by the 700 and the 600. I suspect bonus depreciation was a factor, as is the strength of various economies. I would also tell you that the pipeline is active and growing, and we have a good activity. So we like what we see on the demand side.
Speaker #1: I would also tell you that the pipeline is active and growing, and we have good activity. So, we like what we see on the demand side.
Speaker #9: Great. And if I could follow up maybe on the capital deployment comments. How do we think about GD combat and what's going on there?
Speaker #9: There's been a lot of press about capacity and munitions and ammo. How are you thinking about capacity coming online for combat and how that factors into the 3.5% of CapEx to sales ratio over the next
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Great. And if I could follow up maybe on the capital deployment comments, how do we think about GD combat and what's going on there? There's been a lot of press about capacity and munitions and ammo. You know, how are you thinking about capacity coming online for combat and how that,
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Great. And if I could follow up maybe on the capital deployment comments, how do we think about GD combat and what's going on there? There's been a lot of press about capacity and munitions and ammo. You know, how are you thinking about capacity coming online for combat and how that,
Speaker #9: few years? So the
Speaker #1: majority of or half at least of the CapEx for this coming year is at electric boat. We have been investing in combat systems across the portfolio and will continue to do so.
Robert Stallard: ... factors into that 3.5% of CapEx to sales ratio over the next few years?
... factors into that 3.5% of CapEx to sales ratio over the next few years?
Phebe Novakovic: So the majority, or half at least, of the CapEx for this coming year is at Electric Boat. We have been investing in combat systems across the portfolio, and we'll continue to do so. On the munition side, we have capacity and have executed that capacity up in Northeast Pennsylvania at 36 rounds a month for the last 12 months. We've increased the load pack and established a load pack and assembly facility, and with the capacity of 50,000 rounds a month, and we've increased our propellant capacity. So all in all, we're we see some instances of need for additional investment, and we'll make that accordingly.
Phebe Novakovic: So the majority, or half at least, of the CapEx for this coming year is at Electric Boat. We have been investing in combat systems across the portfolio, and we'll continue to do so. On the munition side, we have capacity and have executed that capacity up in Northeast Pennsylvania at 36 rounds a month for the last 12 months. We've increased the load pack and established a load pack and assembly facility, and with the capacity of 50,000 rounds a month, and we've increased our propellant capacity. So all in all, we're we see some instances of need for additional investment, and we'll make that accordingly.
Speaker #1: On the munitions side, we have capacity and have executed that capacity up in Northeast Pennsylvania: 36 rounds a month for the last 12 months.
Speaker #1: We've increased the load pack and established a load pack and assembly facility with a capacity of 550,000 rounds a month. And we've increased our propellant capacity.
Speaker #1: So all All in all , we are see . We in some instances of need for additional investment , and we'll make that accordingly .
Speaker #1: And we'll make that accordingly
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Speaker #3: From the next question, Matt Acres at BNP.
Speaker #4: Hey good morning everybody . Thanks for taking my question . I guess Phoebe , historically , you guys have usually guided X capital deployment , and I think probably a lot of us just go ahead and stick it in our models anyway .
Robert Stallard: Great. Thank you.
Sheila Kahyaoglu: Great. Thank you.
Operator: We'll take our next question from Matt Akers at BNP.
Operator: We'll take our next question from Matt Akers at BNP.
Matt Akers: Yeah, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, Phoebe, historically, you guys have usually guided ex capital deployment, and I think probably a lot of us just go ahead and stick it in our models anyway. But just, I guess, given some of the pressure we've seen on the industry on buybacks, I guess, could you comment on maybe whether we should be a little bit more cautious on assuming that this year?
Matt Akers: Yeah, good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. I guess, Phoebe, historically, you guys have usually guided ex capital deployment, and I think probably a lot of us just go ahead and stick it in our models anyway. But just, I guess, given some of the pressure we've seen on the industry on buybacks, I guess, could you comment on maybe whether we should be a little bit more cautious on assuming that this year?
Speaker #4: But just I guess given some of the pressure we've seen on the industry , on , on buybacks , I guess , could you comment on maybe whether we should be a little bit more cautious on on assuming that this year .
Speaker #5: So our capital .
Speaker #1: Deployment strategy for the last number of years has been to continue to invest in our growing business, resulted in that's increased backlog. So we think, we believe, and plan on additional investments in our portfolio to ensure that we're able to efficiently execute that backlog and provide for the demands and needs of our customer.
Phebe Novakovic: So our capital deployment strategy for the last number of years has been to continue to invest in our growing business. That's resulted in increased backlog. So we think, we believe, and plan on additional investments in our portfolio to ensure that we're able to efficiently execute that backlog and provide for the demands and needs of our customer. On the dividend, you know, we've paid a dividend for over 25 years, and every year in March, the board decides the extent of any increase, but we're committed to the dividend, and we never comment on share repurchase. I'd note that it's not particularly popular right now, so our habit and penchant for not commenting on share repurchases, I believe, appropriate.
Phebe Novakovic: So our capital deployment strategy for the last number of years has been to continue to invest in our growing business. That's resulted in increased backlog. So we think, we believe, and plan on additional investments in our portfolio to ensure that we're able to efficiently execute that backlog and provide for the demands and needs of our customer. On the dividend, you know, we've paid a dividend for over 25 years, and every year in March, the board decides the extent of any increase, but we're committed to the dividend, and we never comment on share repurchase. I'd note that it's not particularly popular right now, so our habit and penchant for not commenting on share repurchases, I believe, appropriate.
Speaker #1: We have for let's on this on the dividend . We've we've paid a dividend for over 25 years . And every in board year March , the decides extent the of any increase .
Speaker #1: But we're committed to the dividend and we never comment on on share repurchase . I'd note that it's not particularly popular right now , so our our our habit and penchant for not commenting on on share repurchases of believe appropriate .
Speaker #1: But I think it's our strategy remains heavily invested in the business because it's justified given the demand and the backlog .
Phebe Novakovic: But I think it's our strategy remains heavily invested in the business because it's justified, given the demand and the backlog.
But I think it's our strategy remains heavily invested in the business because it's justified, given the demand and the backlog.
Speaker #4: Yeah . Got it . Thanks . And then I guess just one more on the CapEx with the step this year , should we think of this as kind of a multi-year investment that needs to be made , or is this more something that will kind of revert to more normalized levels in 27 and beyond ?
Matt Akers: Yeah, got it. Thanks. And then I guess just one more on kind of the CapEx with the step this year. I mean, should we think of this as kind of a multiyear investment that needs to be made, or is this more something that will kind of revert to more normalized levels in 27 and beyond? Thanks.
Matt Akers: Yeah, got it. Thanks. And then I guess just one more on kind of the CapEx with the step this year. I mean, should we think of this as kind of a multiyear investment that needs to be made, or is this more something that will kind of revert to more normalized levels in 27 and beyond? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks .
Speaker #1: We'll continue to invest year over year in our businesses because we have the long-term growth there. And it's embedded in our backlog.
Phebe Novakovic: We'll continue to invest, year over year in our businesses, because we have the long-term growth there, and it's embedded in our backlog. We believe that that's appropriate. So the investments year over year, in CapEx may vary a bit, but you should expect that strategy going forward.
Phebe Novakovic: We'll continue to invest, year over year in our businesses, because we have the long-term growth there, and it's embedded in our backlog. We believe that that's appropriate. So the investments year over year, in CapEx may vary a bit, but you should expect that strategy going forward.
Speaker #1: We believe that that's over appropriate . year So the investments year in CapEx vary a may bit , but you should expect that strategy going forward .
Speaker #4: Great . Thank you .
Speaker #3: We'll move next to Myles Walton at Wolfe Research .
Speaker #6: morning Thanks . Good . You've previously given medium margin term expansion sort of color for aerospace . Is curious if you could update those those margin maybe outlook targets .
Matt Akers: Great. Thank you.
Matt Akers: Great. Thank you.
Operator: We'll move next to Myles Walton at Wolfe Research.
Operator: We'll move next to Myles Walton at Wolfe Research.
Myles Walton: Thanks. Good morning. You've previously given medium-term margin expansion, sort of color for aerospace. I was curious if you could maybe update those, those margin outlook targets.
Myles Walton: Thanks. Good morning. You've previously given medium-term margin expansion, sort of color for aerospace. I was curious if you could maybe update those, those margin outlook targets.
Speaker #1: We believe there’s margin improvement headroom at Gulfstream, and we’ll continue to pursue that. You know, it’s not about necessarily pursuing growth.
Phebe Novakovic: We believe there's margin improvement headroom at Gulfstream, and we'll continue to pursue that. You know, it's not about necessarily pursuing growth that's in our backlog, but it's about execution, execution, execution. That's throughout the whole company. It's really a strategy. Gulfstream and Jet Aviation are no different. So we all continue to push margin, and we see high probability of improved margins over time.
Phebe Novakovic: We believe there's margin improvement headroom at Gulfstream, and we'll continue to pursue that. You know, it's not about necessarily pursuing growth that's in our backlog, but it's about execution, execution, execution. That's throughout the whole company. It's really a strategy. Gulfstream and Jet Aviation are no different. So we all continue to push margin, and we see high probability of improved margins over time.
Speaker #1: That's in our backlog . But it's about execution execution execution that's throughout the whole company . That's really a strategy . Gulfstream and Jet Aviation are no different .
Speaker #1: So we'll continue to push margin . we And high see probability of improved margins over time .
Speaker #6: Is mid-to-high teens still reasonable for 2027?
Speaker #1: Look well I think as we execute this backlog we'll continue to push margins . We've there are lots of puts and takes in this business as you all know and how all of the costs and the pricing opportunities play out over the next couple of years will drive it , but you should expect significant and consistent margin improvement over time throughout our plan period .
Myles Walton: Is mid to high teens still reasonable for 2027?
Myles Walton: Is mid to high teens still reasonable for 2027?
Phebe Novakovic: Look, we'll—I think as we execute this backlog, we'll continue to push margins. There are lots of puts and takes in this business, as you well know, and how all of the costs and the pricing opportunities play out over the next couple of years will drive it. But you should expect significant and, and consistent margin improvement over time throughout our plan period.
Phebe Novakovic: Look, we'll—I think as we execute this backlog, we'll continue to push margins. There are lots of puts and takes in this business, as you well know, and how all of the costs and the pricing opportunities play out over the next couple of years will drive it. But you should expect significant and, and consistent margin improvement over time throughout our plan period.
Speaker #6: And is the combat growth in 26 absorbing headwind much of any on the Ajax program ? And if you could size that , thanks .
Speaker #6: .
Speaker #1: Wouldn't say there's any headwind on the Ajax program . We have a pause in the fielding , but we are highly , highly confident in this vehicle .
Myles Walton: Is the combat growth in 26 absorbing much of any headwind on the Ajax program, if you could size that? Thanks.
Myles Walton: Is the combat growth in 26 absorbing much of any headwind on the Ajax program, if you could size that? Thanks.
Phebe Novakovic: Wouldn't say there's any headwind on the AJAX program. We have a pause in the fielding, but we are highly, highly confident in this vehicle. It has been tested for tens of thousands of miles, and we have great confidence in it.
Phebe Novakovic: Wouldn't say there's any headwind on the AJAX program. We have a pause in the fielding, but we are highly, highly confident in this vehicle. It has been tested for tens of thousands of miles, and we have great confidence in it.
Speaker #1: It has been tested for tens of thousands of miles , and we have great confidence in it
Speaker #1: .
Speaker #6: Thank you Okay . .
Speaker #3: Next question from Robert Stallard at Vertical Research.
Myles Walton: Okay. Thank you.
Myles Walton: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #7: much . Good Thanks so morning .
Speaker #1: Good morning .
Speaker #7: Phoebe the . Given some of geopolitical activities over the last few as if weeks , you've seen any change in the conversation with your European customers with regards to buying us sourced equipment rather than stuff you actually make in Europe .
Operator: We'll take our next question from Robert Stallard at Vertical Research.
Operator: We'll take our next question from Robert Stallard at Vertical Research.
Robert Stallard: Thanks so much. Good morning.
Robert Stallard: Thanks so much. Good morning.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Robert Stallard: Phoebe, given some of the geopolitical activities over the last few weeks, I was wondering if you've seen any change in the conversation with your European customers with regards to buying US-sourced equipment rather than stuff you actually make in Europe?
Robert Stallard: Phoebe, given some of the geopolitical activities over the last few weeks, I was wondering if you've seen any change in the conversation with your European customers with regards to buying US-sourced equipment rather than stuff you actually make in Europe?
Speaker #1: We have not . But but let me remind you , the biggest source of business that we have in Europe you . Are and based almost fully sourced ?
Phebe Novakovic: We have not, but let me remind you, the biggest source of business that we have in Europe are European-based and almost fully sourced, European businesses. They're indigenous businesses that we've had for, in some cases, over 25 years, and they are manned, run, led, and sourced in Europe.
Phebe Novakovic: We have not, but let me remind you, the biggest source of business that we have in Europe are European-based and almost fully sourced, European businesses. They're indigenous businesses that we've had for, in some cases, over 25 years, and they are manned, run, led, and sourced in Europe.
Speaker #1: European Are businesses . indigenous businesses that we've had for in some over cases 25 years . And they are manned , run led and sourced in Europe .
Speaker #6: Okay .
Speaker #7: And then secondly , side aerospace , there's been on the the last months , few perhaps over this bubble . AI I was wondering if there has been any change in your notable backlog here and whether there has been any increase in AI related orders over the last , say , 6 to 12 months .
Robert Stallard: ... Okay. And then secondly, on the aerospace side, you know, there's been concerns over the last few months, perhaps, over this AI bubble. I was wondering if there has been any notable change in your backlog here, and whether there has been any increase in AI-related orders over the last, say, 6 to 12 months?
Robert Stallard: ... Okay. And then secondly, on the aerospace side, you know, there's been concerns over the last few months, perhaps, over this AI bubble. I was wondering if there has been any notable change in your backlog here, and whether there has been any increase in AI-related orders over the last, say, 6 to 12 months?
Speaker #1: You mean at Gulfstream AI driven from AI driven companies ? We haven't seen any of that . I'd say the demand is across the portfolio , very heavy in the fortune 500 , high net and worth fortune 500 companies , high worth individuals .
Phebe Novakovic: You mean at Gulfstream, AI-driven?
Phebe Novakovic: You mean at Gulfstream, AI-driven?
Robert Stallard: Yes.
Robert Stallard: Yes.
Phebe Novakovic: From AI-driven companies? We haven't seen any of that. I'd say the demand is across the portfolio, very heavy in the Fortune 500, high net worth and Fortune 500 companies, high net worth individuals, but there's no one particular segment that jumps out or is anomalous.
Phebe Novakovic: From AI-driven companies? We haven't seen any of that. I'd say the demand is across the portfolio, very heavy in the Fortune 500, high net worth and Fortune 500 companies, high net worth individuals, but there's no one particular segment that jumps out or is anomalous.
Speaker #1: But there's no one particular segment that jumps out, or is anomalous.
Speaker #6: Okay .
Speaker #7: That's great . Thank you very much .
Speaker #3: next We'll go to Ron Epstein at Bank of America .
Robert Stallard: Okay, that's great. Thank you very much.
Robert Stallard: Okay, that's great. Thank you very much.
Speaker #6: Hey, good morning, everybody.
Speaker #8: How are you ? Good morning Ron .
Speaker #6: couple Just a quick ones here for you . If you'd be battleships . How are you thinking about battleships ? Battleships ? Golden dome .
Operator: We'll go next to Ron Epstein at Bank of America.
Operator: We'll go next to Ron Epstein at Bank of America.
Ron Epstein: Hey, good morning, everybody. How are you?
Ron Epstein: Hey, good morning, everybody. How are you?
Speaker #6: I mean , lot of stuff going on . How do that's a you think about that with ship your ?
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning, Ron.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning, Ron.
Ron Epstein: Just a couple quick ones here for you, Phoebe. Battleships. How do you think about battleships? Battleships, Golden Dome, I mean, that's a lot of stuff going on. How do you think about that with your ship business?
Ron Epstein: Just a couple quick ones here for you, Phoebe. Battleships. How do you think about battleships? Battleships, Golden Dome, I mean, that's a lot of stuff going on. How do you think about that with your ship business?
Speaker #1: Bass is participating in the design with other industry on partners that battleship . Just recently announced . So I think it'll be quite some time in playing out , but it really is at its beginning .
Phebe Novakovic: Bath is participating in the design, with other industry partners on that battleship. It's just recently announced, so I think it'll be quite some time in playing out. But it really is at its beginning design phases, so really too soon to project anything in terms of time and-
Phebe Novakovic: Bath is participating in the design, with other industry partners on that battleship. It's just recently announced, so I think it'll be quite some time in playing out. But it really is at its beginning design phases, so really too soon to project anything in terms of time and-
Speaker #1: Design phases. So, really too soon to project anything in terms of timing.
Speaker #6: Is there going to be a Downselect ? Have awarded it ? is it You know , I mean , I don't know how to think about it .
Speaker #6: Is it going to be like a...
Speaker #1: Typical I don't believe we know the competition strategy right now .
Ron Epstein: Is there, like, gonna be a down select? I mean, have they aborted it? You know what I mean? Is it... I don't know how to think about it. Is it gonna be, like, a circle?
Speaker #6: Got it . Okay . Yeah . Fair enough . And then is this too simple of a way to think about Gulf Stream ?
Ron Epstein: Is there, like, gonna be a down select? I mean, have they aborted it? You know what I mean? Is it... I don't know how to think about it. Is it gonna be, like, a circle?
Phebe Novakovic: I don't believe we know the competition strategy right now.
Speaker #6: So let me just , you know , everybody's been asking this question . So sorry . one , Apologies to do but kind of in really simple terms , you guys have brought to market sort of a refreshed fleet of of of kit .
Phebe Novakovic: I don't believe we know the competition strategy right now.
Ron Epstein: Got it. Okay, yeah, fair enough. And then, is this too simple of a way to think about Gulfstream? So let me just, you know, everybody's been asking this jet question, so sorry, apologies everyone. But in kind of really simple terms, you guys have brought to market sort of a refreshed fleet of kit, right? So a bunch of new airplanes. That's driving demand, right? Because you got the new stuff out there. You know, it's early days in many of these programs, so as you go down the learning curve, naturally you should get some margin expansion. So as we walk out over the next several years, naturally, should we just see margins improve because you just get better at building the new airplanes, and you're presumably, not to put words in anybody's mouth, not gonna launch anything immediately.
Ron Epstein: Got it. Okay, yeah, fair enough. And then, is this too simple of a way to think about Gulfstream? So let me just, you know, everybody's been asking this jet question, so sorry, apologies everyone. But in kind of really simple terms, you guys have brought to market sort of a refreshed fleet of kit, right? So a bunch of new airplanes. That's driving demand, right? Because you got the new stuff out there. You know, it's early days in many of these programs, so as you go down the learning curve, naturally you should get some margin expansion. So as we walk out over the next several years, naturally, should we just see margins improve because you just get better at building the new airplanes, and you're presumably, not to put words in anybody's mouth, not gonna launch anything immediately.
Speaker #6: Right ? So a bunch of new airplanes that's driving demand , new stuff right ? Because you've out there know , . You it's days in many of programs .
Speaker #6: So as you go down the learning curve these naturally you should get some margin expansion . So as we walk out over the next several years , naturally , just see margins improve should we just get because you better at building the new airplanes and you're presumably not to put words in his not going to launch mouth .
Speaker #6: immediately . So you've got this stuff I'm maturing margins go and up demand stays good because you've got a new product out there that's too simple a way to think about it .
Speaker #1: I think And you have . Quite eloquently defined and expressed our our strategy , our new are are airplanes driving demand . We continue to come down our learning curves , the supply chain is improving , has a ways to go , but it's definitely than it better was .
Ron Epstein: So you've got this stuff maturing, margins go up, and demand stays good because you've got a new product out there. Is that too simple a way to think about it?
So you've got this stuff maturing, margins go up, and demand stays good because you've got a new product out there. Is that too simple a way to think about it?
Phebe Novakovic: I think you have quite eloquently defined and expressed our strategy. Our new airplanes are driving demand. We continue to come down our learning curves. The supply chain is improving. It has a ways to go, but it's definitely better than it was, and all of that will drive additional margin improvement measured over time.
Phebe Novakovic: I think you have quite eloquently defined and expressed our strategy. Our new airplanes are driving demand. We continue to come down our learning curves. The supply chain is improving. It has a ways to go, but it's definitely better than it was, and all of that will drive additional margin improvement measured over time.
Speaker #1: And all of that will drive additional margin improvement measured over time . But the investments we made years are products ago in these are coming to And fruition .
Speaker #1: , and and the market is benefiting from this whole new family of clean sheet airplanes . Nobody else has anything like it . We worked hard .
Ron Epstein: Sure.
Ron Epstein: Sure.
Phebe Novakovic: But the investments we made years ago in these new products are coming to fruition, and the market is benefiting from this whole new family of clean sheet airplanes. Nobody else has anything like it. We worked hard. We earned it. This isn't something that just happened overnight.
Phebe Novakovic: But the investments we made years ago in these new products are coming to fruition, and the market is benefiting from this whole new family of clean sheet airplanes. Nobody else has anything like it. We worked hard. We earned it. This isn't something that just happened overnight.
Speaker #1: earned it . This We isn't something that just happened overnight . There's a lot of long , thoughtful , targeted R&D and capital investments .
Speaker #6: Got it , got it . And then maybe if I can just slip in one . One last one . Sure . running the You've been company for a while and you've been on the hill .
Ron Epstein: No, sure.
Ron Epstein: No, sure.
Phebe Novakovic: There's a lot of long, thoughtful, targeted R&D and capital investments.
Phebe Novakovic: There's a lot of long, thoughtful, targeted R&D and capital investments.
Speaker #6: Been over . all you think about some of the stuff coming out of the administration directing defense companies on what how to deploy I mean , as a as a capital ?
Ron Epstein: Got it. Got it. And then maybe if I can just slip in one last one.
Ron Epstein: Got it. Got it. And then maybe if I can just slip in one last one.
Phebe Novakovic: Sure.
Phebe Novakovic: Sure.
Ron Epstein: You've been running the company for a while, and you've been on the Hill, been all over. How do you think about some of the stuff coming out of the administration, directing defense companies on what, how to deploy capital? I mean, you know, as a leader of an organization that's, you know, deployed capital arguably pretty prudently over the years, how do you think about that?
Ron Epstein: You've been running the company for a while, and you've been on the Hill, been all over. How do you think about some of the stuff coming out of the administration, directing defense companies on what, how to deploy capital? I mean, you know, as a leader of an organization that's, you know, deployed capital arguably pretty prudently over the years, how do you think about that?
Speaker #6: As the leader of an organization, you've deployed capital, arguably pretty prudently, over the years. How do you think about that?
Speaker #1: Well , our strategy over the last several years is aligned with the administration's and commitment to an intent to increase production . And we are an increased in demand .
Phebe Novakovic: Well, our strategy over the last several years is aligned with the administration's commitment to an intent to increase production, and we are an increased member. Demand signals are very strong. So we have been investing in our business, and we'll continue to do so. I think that's the best way to think about it.
Phebe Novakovic: Well, our strategy over the last several years is aligned with the administration's commitment to an intent to increase production, and we are an increased member. Demand signals are very strong. So we have been investing in our business, and we'll continue to do so. I think that's the best way to think about it.
Speaker #1: Signals are very strong. So, we have been investing in our business, and we'll continue to do so. I think that's the best way to think about it.
Speaker #6: All right. Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #6: .
Speaker #3: We'll take our next question from John Gordon at Citi.
Speaker #9: Hey , thanks for taking my question . I wanted to keep digging into the trend in munitions . You had so many positive call outs in the prepared remarks .
Ron Epstein: Got it. All right. Thank you.
Ron Epstein: Got it. All right. Thank you.
Operator: We'll take our next question from John Godin at Citi.
Operator: We'll take our next question from John Godin at Citi.
Speaker #9: You know , obviously , we've seen a lot of growth in the weapon systems and munitions subsegment within combat systems , and I get a lot of questions on how long that might last , where production rates and revenue run rate can go over multiple years .
John Godin: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Phoebe, I wanted to keep getting into the trend in munitions. You had so many positive callouts in the prepared remarks. You know, obviously, we've seen a lot of growth in the weapon systems and in munitions subsegment within combat systems. And I get a lot of questions on how long that strength might last, where production rates and run rate revenue can go over multiple years, and what incremental margins on munitions revenue, like, look like versus overall combat systems margins. So I know you might not want to give all that detail, but I was hoping we could just dialogue a bit about the trajectory just to get a better handle on the shape of the business over the coming years.
John Godin: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Phoebe, I wanted to keep getting into the trend in munitions. You had so many positive callouts in the prepared remarks. You know, obviously, we've seen a lot of growth in the weapon systems and in munitions subsegment within combat systems. And I get a lot of questions on how long that strength might last, where production rates and run rate revenue can go over multiple years, and what incremental margins on munitions revenue, like, look like versus overall combat systems margins. So I know you might not want to give all that detail, but I was hoping we could just dialogue a bit about the trajectory just to get a better handle on the shape of the business over the coming years.
Speaker #9: And what incremental margins on munitions revenue like look like versus overall combat systems margins ? I know you might not want to give all that was hoping detail , but I we could just dialogue a bit about the trajectory just to get a better handle on the shape , on the over the business coming years .
Speaker #1: We we have a good business in munitions . We are a supplier to many of the missile companies . So we expect the the demand signals that the administration and US have been outside the issuing are are manifesting in contracts .
Phebe Novakovic: We have a good business in munitions. We are a supplier to many of the missile companies. So we expect the demand signals that the administration and outside the US have been issuing are manifesting in contracts. We expect that to continue. Stores and inventories are low, and those inventories need to be replaced. So we are well positioned. We'll continue to work our margins as we always do. This is a business that tends to be in the 14 to 15% margin range. We expect that to continue with some variability. It's all about their operating leverage and their ability to come down their learning curves and control their costs.
Phebe Novakovic: We have a good business in munitions. We are a supplier to many of the missile companies. So we expect the demand signals that the administration and outside the US have been issuing are manifesting in contracts. We expect that to continue. Stores and inventories are low, and those inventories need to be replaced. So we are well positioned. We'll continue to work our margins as we always do. This is a business that tends to be in the 14 to 15% margin range. We expect that to continue with some variability. It's all about their operating leverage and their ability to come down their learning curves and control their costs.
Speaker #1: We can we expect that to continue stores and inventories are low and those inventories need to be replaced . So we are well positioned .
Speaker #1: We'll continue to work our margins always as we do . This business that is a tends to be in the 14 to 15% margin range .
Speaker #1: We expect that to continue with with some variability . It's all about their operating leverage and their ability to come down , their learning curves and control their costs .
Speaker #9: Okay . That's that's very helpful . And if I could just ask one more on supply chain and Gulfstream . And I know there's been some dialogue on that already on the call , but specifically with commercial aerospace productions volumes ramping , do you think there's any knock on impact on Bizjet supply chain , whether it's demand for materials , subcomponents , labor , etc.
John Godin: ... That's very helpful. And if I could just ask one more on supply chain and Gulfstream. And I know there's been some dialogue on that already on the call, but specifically, with commercial aerospace production volumes ramping, do you think there's any knock-on impact on biz jet supply chain, whether it's demand for materials, subcomponents, labor, et cetera? Anything there to think through?
John Godin: ... That's very helpful. And if I could just ask one more on supply chain and Gulfstream. And I know there's been some dialogue on that already on the call, but specifically, with commercial aerospace production volumes ramping, do you think there's any knock-on impact on biz jet supply chain, whether it's demand for materials, subcomponents, labor, et cetera? Anything there to think through?
Speaker #9: ? Anything there to think through ?
Speaker #1: Well , labor is not a problem . Are you ? Are you asking see we whether material issues in the supply chain .
Speaker #9: With Boeing ramping dramatically , production our buses ? Well , is there a knock on effect ?
Phebe Novakovic: Well, labor is not a problem. Are you asking whether we see material issues in the supply chain?
Phebe Novakovic: Well, labor is not a problem. Are you asking whether we see material issues in the supply chain?
Speaker #1: I'd say .
Speaker #9: That some .
Speaker #1: Well , let me let me answer it this that way . Say some of the suppliers have ramped more successfully than others . We know the ones who still work to go .
John Godin: With Boeing ramping production dramatically, Airbus as well-
John Godin: With Boeing ramping production dramatically, Airbus as well-
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah.
John Godin: Is there a knock-on effect in biz jet supply chain?
John Godin: Is there a knock-on effect in biz jet supply chain?
Speaker #1: They're the to committed making investments to capacity increase their . So it's really about capacity , throughput and the causes for for that constrained environment .
Phebe Novakovic: I'd say that some—Well, let me answer it this way. I'd say that some of the suppliers have ramped more successfully than others. We know the ones who still have some work to go. They're committed to making the investments to increase their capacity. So it's really about capacity throughput. And the causes for that constrained environment in some of those suppliers is really just about the investment in capacity, training a workforce, but quality remains good, which is critical.
Phebe Novakovic: I'd say that some—Well, let me answer it this way. I'd say that some of the suppliers have ramped more successfully than others. We know the ones who still have some work to go. They're committed to making the investments to increase their capacity. So it's really about capacity throughput. And the causes for that constrained environment in some of those suppliers is really just about the investment in capacity, training a workforce, but quality remains good, which is critical.
Speaker #1: And some of those suppliers is really just the about investment in capacity , training and workforce . But quality remains good , which is critical .
Speaker #1: So , Audra .
Speaker #10: I think we have time for one more question.
Speaker #3: Thank you. That question comes from Andre Madrid at BTIG.
Speaker #6: Thank you for taking .
Speaker #4: My question .
Speaker #11: Good morning .
Speaker #8: I wanted .
Nicole Shelton: So Audra-
Nicole Shelton: So Audra-
John Godin: Yeah, thank you.
John Godin: Yeah, thank you.
Nicole Shelton: I think we have time for one more question.
Nicole Shelton: I think we have time for one more question.
Speaker #11: I wanted to really nail down into International a bit. Could you maybe tell us what the book-to-bill was for the quarter and for the year?
Operator: Thank you. That question comes from Andre Madrid at BTIG.
Operator: Thank you. That question comes from Andre Madrid at BTIG.
Andre Madrid: Thank you for taking my question. Good morning.
Andre Madrid: Thank you for taking my question. Good morning.
Speaker #11: And I mean , how thinking about are you demand moving into 26 ? I know we've talked about it in each of the individual segments , but is it fair to say that growth and international will outpace the thought of business next in the year probably ?
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Phebe Novakovic: Good morning.
Andre Madrid: I wanted to really nail down into international a bit. Could you maybe tell us what the book-to-bill was for the quarter and for the year? And, I mean, how are you thinking about demand moving into 2026? I know we've talked about it in each of the individual segments, but is it fair to say that growth on international will probably outpace the broader business in the next year?
Andre Madrid: I wanted to really nail down into international a bit. Could you maybe tell us what the book-to-bill was for the quarter and for the year? And, I mean, how are you thinking about demand moving into 2026? I know we've talked about it in each of the individual segments, but is it fair to say that growth on international will probably outpace the broader business in the next year?
Speaker #1: Are you talking about combat systems primarily because there is none in marine group , Gulfstream ?
Speaker #8: Yeah , yeah , yeah . Okay .
Speaker #1: Yeah .
Speaker #12: Yeah yeah , I can answer that . Yeah . So I think as as Kim said , we had a book to bill in the fourth quarter at .
Phebe Novakovic: Are you talking about Combat Systems primarily because there is none in Marine Systems, Gulfstream?
Phebe Novakovic: Are you talking about Combat Systems primarily because there is none in Marine Systems, Gulfstream?
Speaker #12: Specifically at European Land Systems of four over 4 to 1 . So that was by far the biggest impact . And I think as you think about it in the context of combat , which is is where the bulk of our international activity is , European land systems will be the fastest grower by far .
Andre Madrid: Yeah. Yeah.
Andre Madrid: Yeah. Yeah.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Phebe Novakovic: Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Danny Deep: Yeah. Yeah, I can answer that. Yeah, so I think, as Kim said, we had a book-to-bill in the fourth quarter at, specifically at European Land Systems of 4, over 4 to 1. So that was by far the biggest impact. And I think as you think about it in the context of combat, which is where the bulk of our international activity is, European Land Systems will be the fastest grower, by far. And so we expect to see really, really positive growth over the plan period, and you'll start to see the real acceleration, as Phoebe said earlier, in 2027 and beyond. Some of these are long cycle programs, but certainly at European Land Systems, we expect to grow quickly.
Danny Deep: Yeah. Yeah, I can answer that. Yeah, so I think, as Kim said, we had a book-to-bill in the fourth quarter at, specifically at European Land Systems of 4, over 4 to 1. So that was by far the biggest impact. And I think as you think about it in the context of combat, which is where the bulk of our international activity is, European Land Systems will be the fastest grower, by far. And so we expect to see really, really positive growth over the plan period, and you'll start to see the real acceleration, as Phoebe said earlier, in 2027 and beyond. Some of these are long cycle programs, but certainly at European Land Systems, we expect to grow quickly.
Speaker #12: And so we expect to see really , really positive growth over the planned period . And you'll start to see the real acceleration .
Speaker #12: As Phebe said earlier, in '27 and beyond, some long—some of these are cycle programs. But certainly at European Land Systems, we expect to grow quickly.
Speaker #11: Got it. And then, if I could squeeze one more in, I know back at AUSA in October, you highlighted some demand that you're seeing around UVs.
Speaker #11: We've seen them being of the used to , you know , effect in extreme Europe Eastern now . What do you think the market looks like for unmanned ground ?
Andre Madrid: Got it. And then if I could squeeze one more in. I know back at AUSA in October, you highlighted some of the demand that you're seeing around UGVs. We've seen them being used to, you know, extreme effect in Eastern Europe right now. What do you think the market looks like for unmanned ground? I mean, is that something that might be much more tangible in the years to come? Is there, like, kind of a, you know, a benchmark that you guys are setting to, for how that business might perform?
Andre Madrid: Got it. And then if I could squeeze one more in. I know back at AUSA in October, you highlighted some of the demand that you're seeing around UGVs. We've seen them being used to, you know, extreme effect in Eastern Europe right now. What do you think the market looks like for unmanned ground? I mean, is that something that might be much more tangible in the years to come? Is there, like, kind of a, you know, a benchmark that you guys are setting to, for how that business might perform?
Speaker #11: I mean , is that something that be much more tangible in the years to come ? might Is there like kind of a , you know , a benchmark that you guys are setting to for how that business might perform ?
Speaker #1: We're a not setting particular benchmark , but I would say that the US Army is in a period of transition . Why they moved to the most advanced technologically capable systems , both in in their unmanned their systems , mobile protected firepower , communications in , in .
Phebe Novakovic: We're not setting a particular benchmark, but I would say that the US Army is in a period of transition, where they move to the most advanced, technologically capable, systems, both in their unmanned systems, Mobile Protected Firepower, communications in GPS denied environments. So we're seeing really a transition as the US Army modernizes its forces. And we don't have any particular benchmarks, with respect to some of the smaller areas of investment for us, but we've made those investments to support that growth, and we're quite confident that we are well positioned to support them going forward.
Phebe Novakovic: We're not setting a particular benchmark, but I would say that the US Army is in a period of transition, where they move to the most advanced, technologically capable, systems, both in their unmanned systems, Mobile Protected Firepower, communications in GPS denied environments. So we're seeing really a transition as the US Army modernizes its forces. And we don't have any particular benchmarks, with respect to some of the smaller areas of investment for us, but we've made those investments to support that growth, and we're quite confident that we are well positioned to support them going forward.
Speaker #1: In GPS , denied environments . So we're seeing really a transition as the US Army modernizes its forces and we don't have any particular benchmarks with respect to some of the smaller areas of investment for us .
Speaker #1: But we've made those growth and support, and we're quite confident that we are well positioned to support them going forward.
Speaker #6: Thank you .
Speaker #8: Appreciate it .
Speaker #10: All right. Well, thank you, everyone, for joining our call today. Please refer to the General Dynamics website for the fourth quarter earnings release and highlights presentation.
Speaker #10: If you have additional questions, I can be reached at (703) 876-3152.
Andre Madrid: Thank you. Appreciate this.
Andre Madrid: Thank you. Appreciate this.
Nicole Shelton: All right. Well, thank you everyone for joining our call today. Please refer to the General Dynamics website for the fourth quarter earnings release and highlights presentation. If you have additional questions, I can be reached at 703-876-3152.
Nicole Shelton: All right. Well, thank you everyone for joining our call today. Please refer to the General Dynamics website for the fourth quarter earnings release and highlights presentation. If you have additional questions, I can be reached at 703-876-3152.
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