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Q4 2025 Carlyle Group Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day, and welcome to the Carlyle Group Fourth Quarter 2025 earnings call. At this time, all participants are on listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session.
Operator: Good day and welcome to The Carlyle Group Q4 2025 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star 11. To remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again. As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would like to turn the call over to Daniel Harris, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Good day and welcome to The Carlyle Group Q4 2025 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question, please press star 11. To remove yourself from the queue, press star 11 again. As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would like to turn the call over to Daniel Harris, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #2: Thank you, Michelle. Good morning, and welcome to Carlyle's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2025 earnings call. With me on the call this morning is our Chief Executive Officer, Harvey Schwartz, and our Chief Financial Officer, Justin Pluff.
Daniel Harris: Thank you, Michelle. Good morning and welcome to Carlyle's Q4 and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. With me on the call this morning is our Chief Executive Officer, Harvey Schwartz, and our Chief Financial Officer, Justin Pluff. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and a detailed earnings presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available. We will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures during today's call. These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. We have provided reconciliation of these measures to GAAP in our earnings release to the extent reasonably available. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and undue reliance should not be placed on them.
Daniel Harris: Thank you, Michelle. Good morning and welcome to Carlyle's Q4 and Full Year 2025 Earnings Call. With me on the call this morning is our Chief Executive Officer, Harvey Schwartz, and our Chief Financial Officer, Justin Pluff. Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and a detailed earnings presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available. We will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures during today's call. These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. We have provided reconciliation of these measures to GAAP in our earnings release to the extent reasonably available. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and undue reliance should not be placed on them.
Speaker #2: Earlier this morning, we issued a press release and a detailed earnings presentation, which is available on our Investor Relations website. This call is being webcast and a replay will be available.
Speaker #2: We will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures during today's call. These measures should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles.
Speaker #2: We have provided reconciliation of these measures to GAAP in our earnings release, to the extent reasonably available. Any forward-looking statements made today do not guarantee future performance, and undue reliance should not be placed on them.
Speaker #2: These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties including those identified in the risk factor section of our annual report on Form 10-K that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated.
Daniel Harris: These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the risk factor section of our annual report on Form 10-K, that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. Carlyle assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. In order to ensure participation by everyone on the call today, please limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for any additional follow-ups. And with that, let me turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Harvey Schwartz.
Daniel Harris: These statements are based on current management expectations and involve inherent risks and uncertainties, including those identified in the risk factor section of our annual report on Form 10-K, that could cause actual results to differ materially from those indicated. Carlyle assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. In order to ensure participation by everyone on the call today, please limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for any additional follow-ups. And with that, let me turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Harvey Schwartz.
Speaker #2: Carlyle assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements at any time. In order to ensure participation by everyone on the call today, please limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for any additional follow-ups, and with that, let me turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer,
Speaker #2: Harvey Schwartz. Thanks,
Harvey Schwartz: Thanks, Dan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. 2025 was a record year for Carlyle. We significantly outperformed the targets we identified at the beginning of the year. We delivered record fee-related earnings, up 12% year-over-year, materially exceeding our original forecast. We also had record FRE margins, 47%. We generated $54 billion of inflows, again significantly outperforming our original $40 billion target. Engagement across the global franchise and all client segments, from institutional to wealth, continued to build throughout the year. Transaction fees were a record $225 million, up almost 40% year-over-year. We closed out the year with record assets under management of $477 billion, driven by strong investment performance and robust fundraising across the platform. Importantly, our 2025 results demonstrate the breadth, the depth, and the durability of our global business.
Harvey Schwartz: Thanks, Dan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. 2025 was a record year for Carlyle. We significantly outperformed the targets we identified at the beginning of the year. We delivered record fee-related earnings, up 12% year-over-year, materially exceeding our original forecast. We also had record FRE margins, 47%. We generated $54 billion of inflows, again significantly outperforming our original $40 billion target. Engagement across the global franchise and all client segments, from institutional to wealth, continued to build throughout the year. Transaction fees were a record $225 million, up almost 40% year-over-year. We closed out the year with record assets under management of $477 billion, driven by strong investment performance and robust fundraising across the platform. Importantly, our 2025 results demonstrate the breadth, the depth, and the durability of our global business.
Speaker #3: Dan. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. 2025 was a record year for Carlyle. We significantly outperformed our targets we identified at the beginning of the year.
Speaker #3: We delivered record fee-related earnings up 12% year over year, materially exceeding our original forecast. We also had record FRE margins: 47%. We generated $54 billion of inflows again significantly outperforming our original $40 billion target.
Speaker #3: Engagement across the global franchise and all client segments to build throughout the from institutional to wealth continued Transaction fees were a record $225 million, up almost 40% year over year.
Speaker #3: We closed out the year with record assets under management of $477 billion, driven by strong investment performance and robust fundraising across the platform. Importantly, our 2025 results demonstrate the breadth, the depth, and the durability of our global business.
Speaker #3: Before I walk through our results in more detail, let me just briefly comment on the macro environment. Looking back at 2025, despite concerns around shifting geopolitical dynamics, the market proved to be resilient.
Harvey Schwartz: Before I walk through our results in more detail, let me just briefly comment on the macro environment. Looking back at 2025, despite concerns around shifting geopolitical dynamics, the market proved to be resilient. M&A and IPO activity accelerated as market sentiment improved. 2025 ended with credit spreads near all-time tights and equity markets at all-time highs. Over the last several years, a lot has been written about low levels of monetizations in the private equity industry. Carlyle has proven to be an exception to that narrative. Since 2024, we have been the No. 1 private equity sponsor globally by IPO proceeds, generating roughly $10 billion of IPO issuance over the past two years. This number is more than any other firm in our industry: $10 billion. The most recent example of this is Medline.
Harvey Schwartz: Before I walk through our results in more detail, let me just briefly comment on the macro environment. Looking back at 2025, despite concerns around shifting geopolitical dynamics, the market proved to be resilient. M&A and IPO activity accelerated as market sentiment improved. 2025 ended with credit spreads near all-time tights and equity markets at all-time highs. Over the last several years, a lot has been written about low levels of monetizations in the private equity industry. Carlyle has proven to be an exception to that narrative. Since 2024, we have been the No. 1 private equity sponsor globally by IPO proceeds, generating roughly $10 billion of IPO issuance over the past two years. This number is more than any other firm in our industry: $10 billion. The most recent example of this is Medline.
Speaker #3: M&A and IPO activity accelerated as market sentiment improved. 2025 ended with credit spreads near all-time tights, and equity markets at all-time highs. Over the last several years, a lot has been written about low levels of monetizations in the private equity industry.
Speaker #3: Carlyle has proven to be an exception to that narrative. Since 2024, we have been the number one private equity sponsor globally by IPO proceeds.
Speaker #3: Generating roughly $10 billion of IPO issuance over the past two years. This number is more than any other firm in our industry. $10 billion.
Speaker #3: The most recent example of this is Medline. The IPO raised more than $7 billion in equity valuation of $49 billion, a milestone transaction for Carlyle and the broader market.
Harvey Schwartz: The IPO raised more than $7 billion and an equity valuation of $49 billion, a milestone transaction for Carlyle and the broader market. This was the largest sponsor-backed IPO of all time, the largest healthcare IPO ever, and the largest IPO of 2025. The transaction was meaningfully oversubscribed, and today is trading more than 50% above its IPO price. Medline is a great example of the types of businesses our teams look to invest in: a market leader in their sector with a great management team. Medline has an exceptional track record with more than 50 years of consecutive sales growth since inception, and Carlyle is quite proud to have partnered with Medline's founders and leadership team over the last 4 years. But it's not just Medline. StandardAero marked the second-largest sponsor-backed US IPO in 2024 and has appreciated approximately 30% since its public offering.
Harvey Schwartz: The IPO raised more than $7 billion and an equity valuation of $49 billion, a milestone transaction for Carlyle and the broader market. This was the largest sponsor-backed IPO of all time, the largest healthcare IPO ever, and the largest IPO of 2025. The transaction was meaningfully oversubscribed, and today is trading more than 50% above its IPO price. Medline is a great example of the types of businesses our teams look to invest in: a market leader in their sector with a great management team. Medline has an exceptional track record with more than 50 years of consecutive sales growth since inception, and Carlyle is quite proud to have partnered with Medline's founders and leadership team over the last 4 years. But it's not just Medline. StandardAero marked the second-largest sponsor-backed US IPO in 2024 and has appreciated approximately 30% since its public offering.
Speaker #3: This was the largest sponsor-backed IPO of all time, the largest healthcare IPO ever, and the largest IPO of 2025. The transaction was meaningfully oversubscribed and today is trading more than 50% above its IPO price.
Speaker #3: Medline is a great example of the types of businesses our teams look to invest in. A market leader in their sector with a great management team.
Speaker #3: Medline has an exceptional track record with more than 50 years of consecutive sales growth since inception, and Carlyle is quite proud to have partnered with Medline's founders and leadership team over the last four years.
Speaker #3: But it's not just Medline. Standard Error marked the second largest sponsor-backed US IPO in 2024 and is appreciated approximately 30% since its public offering.
Speaker #3: With the two companies in Japan, Orion Breweries and Rigaku. Rigaku is the largest ever sponsor-backed IPO in Japan. And we IPO'd Hexaware, which was the largest ever sponsor-backed IPO in India and the largest technology services IPO globally in more than a decade.
Harvey Schwartz: We listed two companies in Japan, Orion Breweries and Rigaku. Rigaku was the largest-ever sponsor-backed IPO in Japan, and we IPOed Hexaware, which was the largest-ever sponsor-backed IPO in India and the largest technology services IPO globally in more than a decade. While it's clearly worth noting that we've been industry-leading in IPOs over the past two years, what's equally important is the breadth and diversity of these offerings across geographies and sectors. More broadly, across our GP portfolio, activity remained quite strong. We returned $18 billion of capital to investors in 2025 and $18 billion in 2024. Our teams remain highly focused on returning capital to our investors, and we expect exits momentum to continue into 2026. All of this has contributed to our strong performance across our corporate private equity funds. Our latest vintage US buyout fund appreciated 17% for the year.
Harvey Schwartz: We listed two companies in Japan, Orion Breweries and Rigaku. Rigaku was the largest-ever sponsor-backed IPO in Japan, and we IPOed Hexaware, which was the largest-ever sponsor-backed IPO in India and the largest technology services IPO globally in more than a decade. While it's clearly worth noting that we've been industry-leading in IPOs over the past two years, what's equally important is the breadth and diversity of these offerings across geographies and sectors. More broadly, across our GP portfolio, activity remained quite strong. We returned $18 billion of capital to investors in 2025 and $18 billion in 2024. Our teams remain highly focused on returning capital to our investors, and we expect exits momentum to continue into 2026. All of this has contributed to our strong performance across our corporate private equity funds. Our latest vintage US buyout fund appreciated 17% for the year.
Speaker #3: While it's clearly worth noting that we have industry-leading ing IPOs over the past two years, what's equally important is the breadth and diversity of these offerings across geographies, and sectors.
Speaker #3: More broadly across our GP portfolio, activity remained quite strong. We returned $18 billion of capital to investors in 2025 and $18 billion in 2024.
Speaker #3: Our teams remain highly focused on returning capital to our investors, and we expect exit momentum to continue into '26. All of this has contributed to our strong performance across our corporate private equity funds.
Speaker #3: Our latest vintage US bio fund appreciated 17% for the year. Our third and fourth vintage Japan bio funds appreciated 60% and 30% respectively and our most recent European technology fund was up 20%.
Harvey Schwartz: Our third and fourth vintage Japan buyout funds appreciated 60% and 30%, respectively, and our most recent European technology fund was up 20%. Moving on to Carlyle AlpInvest, 2025 was a record year of growth, reinforcing AlpInvest's position as one of the most influential private market solutions platforms globally. AlpInvest returned over $10 billion to our investors and invested a record $14 billion, highlighting both the breadth of the market opportunity and the scale at which the platform is operating. We closed our largest-ever secondary strategy at $20 billion, continuing to grow our co-investment platform and expanded our portfolio finance strategies. Demand for secondary solutions remains strong as investors seek liquidity and portfolio optimization, and Carlyle AlpInvest continues to be a meaningful contributor to FRE growth and platform differentiation. In global credit and insurance, we continue to see strong momentum across the platform.
Harvey Schwartz: Our third and fourth vintage Japan buyout funds appreciated 60% and 30%, respectively, and our most recent European technology fund was up 20%. Moving on to Carlyle AlpInvest, 2025 was a record year of growth, reinforcing AlpInvest's position as one of the most influential private market solutions platforms globally. AlpInvest returned over $10 billion to our investors and invested a record $14 billion, highlighting both the breadth of the market opportunity and the scale at which the platform is operating. We closed our largest-ever secondary strategy at $20 billion, continuing to grow our co-investment platform and expanded our portfolio finance strategies. Demand for secondary solutions remains strong as investors seek liquidity and portfolio optimization, and Carlyle AlpInvest continues to be a meaningful contributor to FRE growth and platform differentiation. In global credit and insurance, we continue to see strong momentum across the platform.
Speaker #3: Moving on to Carlyle App Invest. 2025 was a record year of growth, reinforcing App Invest's position as one of the most influential private market solutions platforms globally.
Speaker #3: App Invest returned over $10 billion to our investors and invested a record $14 billion highlighting both the breadth of the market opportunity and the scale at which the platform is operating.
Speaker #3: We closed our largest ever secondary strategy at $20 billion continuing to grow our co-investment platform and expanded our portfolio finance strategies. Demand for secondary solutions remained strong as investors seek liquidity and portfolio optimization.
Speaker #3: And Carlyle App Invest continues to be a meaningful contributor to FRE growth and platform differentiation. In global credit and insurance, we continue to see strong momentum across the platform.
Harvey Schwartz: Direct lending had a record quarter of originations. We continue to grow and invest in the platform, adding key leaders and talent. We've added a new head of direct lending and senior origination professionals, enhancing origination and integration across our private credit strategies. Our performance continues to be strong, with realized losses across the portfolio running at an average of just 10 basis points per year over the past decade. Additionally, we continue our leadership position in CLOs. Amidst a record level of industry-wide issuance, Carlyle priced a record 39 CLOs last year. Carlyle was the most active CLO manager for US activity, and CLO inflows of $7 billion in 2025 were up almost 20% from the prior year. I also want to touch on the momentum we have in global wealth. In 2025, we continue to see significant progress in our strategic approach to global wealth.
Harvey Schwartz: Direct lending had a record quarter of originations. We continue to grow and invest in the platform, adding key leaders and talent. We've added a new head of direct lending and senior origination professionals, enhancing origination and integration across our private credit strategies. Our performance continues to be strong, with realized losses across the portfolio running at an average of just 10 basis points per year over the past decade. Additionally, we continue our leadership position in CLOs. Amidst a record level of industry-wide issuance, Carlyle priced a record 39 CLOs last year. Carlyle was the most active CLO manager for US activity, and CLO inflows of $7 billion in 2025 were up almost 20% from the prior year. I also want to touch on the momentum we have in global wealth. In 2025, we continue to see significant progress in our strategic approach to global wealth.
Speaker #3: lending had a record quarter of Direct originations. We continue to grow and invest in the platform, adding key leaders and talent. We've added a new head of direct lending and senior origination professionals enhancing origination and integration across our private credit strategies.
Speaker #3: Our performance continues to be strong, with realized losses across the portfolio running at an average of just 10 basis points per year over the past decade.
Speaker #3: Additionally, we continue our leadership position in CLOs. Amidst a record level of industry-wide issuance, Carlyle priced a record $39 CLOs last year. Carlyle was the most active CLO manager for US activity and CLO inflows of $7 billion in 2025 were up almost 20% from the prior year.
Speaker #3: I also want to touch on the momentum we have in global wealth. In 2025, we continue to see significant progress in our strategic approach to global wealth.
Speaker #3: We had another year of record inflows, almost doubling evergreen wealth AUM year over year. Demand was strong across our evergreen suite. We saw launched CPEP, our private equity solution for individual investors.
Harvey Schwartz: We had another year of record inflows, almost doubling Evergreen Wealth AUM year-over-year. Demand was strong across our Evergreen suite. We soft-launched CPEP, our private equity solution for individual investors in the US with a select group of leading RIAs. With the launch of CPEP, we've established our three key solutions across each of our businesses, with options to access Carlyle for credit, secondaries, and now PE. This is all the result of the strategic investment that we started to make three years ago. We continue to invest in resources across the entire wealth spectrum, including mass affluent, retail, and retirement. We expanded our wealth organization meaningfully this year, growing headcount by approximately 50%, and added specialized capabilities to support sustained growth across channels.
Harvey Schwartz: We had another year of record inflows, almost doubling Evergreen Wealth AUM year-over-year. Demand was strong across our Evergreen suite. We soft-launched CPEP, our private equity solution for individual investors in the US with a select group of leading RIAs. With the launch of CPEP, we've established our three key solutions across each of our businesses, with options to access Carlyle for credit, secondaries, and now PE. This is all the result of the strategic investment that we started to make three years ago. We continue to invest in resources across the entire wealth spectrum, including mass affluent, retail, and retirement. We expanded our wealth organization meaningfully this year, growing headcount by approximately 50%, and added specialized capabilities to support sustained growth across channels.
Speaker #3: In the US, with a select group of leading RIAs. With the launch of CPEP, we've established our three key solutions across each of our businesses.
Speaker #3: With options to access Carlyle for credit, secondaries, and now PE, this is all the result of the strategic investment that we started to make three years ago.
Speaker #3: We continue to invest in resources across the entire wealth spectrum, including mass affluent, retail, and retirement. We expanded our wealth organization meaningfully this year, growing headcount by approximately 50%, and added specialized capabilities to support sustained growth across channels.
Speaker #3: We hired a head of retirement solutions, a new role at Carlyle, reinforcing our conviction that wealth and retirement are long-term growth engines for the firm.
Harvey Schwartz: We hired a head of retirement solutions, a new role at Carlyle, reinforcing our conviction that wealth and retirement are long-term growth engines for the firm. In conclusion, we entered 2026 with strong momentum. In 2025, we delivered on our strategy in a very concrete way, growing fee-related earnings, significantly exceeding our inflows target, deploying a record amount of capital, turning money to investors, and positioning our portfolios to take advantage of a more functional exit environment. We will continue to build on the strategy and foundation we've established over the last several years. Our focus remains on investment performance, disciplined capital allocation, and delivering long-term value for our global investors and shareholders. We also announced that we are hosting a shareholder update at the end of February. Look forward to seeing you there.
Harvey Schwartz: We hired a head of retirement solutions, a new role at Carlyle, reinforcing our conviction that wealth and retirement are long-term growth engines for the firm. In conclusion, we entered 2026 with strong momentum. In 2025, we delivered on our strategy in a very concrete way, growing fee-related earnings, significantly exceeding our inflows target, deploying a record amount of capital, turning money to investors, and positioning our portfolios to take advantage of a more functional exit environment.
Speaker #3: In conclusion, we enter 2026 with strong momentum, and 2025 we delivered on our strategy in a very concrete way. Growing fee-related earnings, significantly exceeding our inflows target, deploying a record amount of capital, turning money to investors, and positioning our portfolios to take advantage of a more functional exit environment.
Speaker #3: We will continue to build on this strategy and foundation we've established over the last several years. Our focus remains on investment performance, disciplined capital allocation, and delivering long-term value for our global investors and shareholders.
Harvey Schwartz: We will continue to build on the strategy and foundation we've established over the last several years. Our focus remains on investment performance, disciplined capital allocation, and delivering long-term value for our global investors and shareholders. We also announced that we are hosting a shareholder update at the end of February. Look forward to seeing you there. At the event, we will share multi-year financial targets, more insights into the strategic direction of the firm, and how we will continue to build on our success. With that, let me turn the call over to Justin.
Speaker #3: We also announced that we are hosting a shareholder update at the end of February. We look forward to seeing you there. At the event, we will share multi-year financial targets, more insights into the strategic direction of the firm, and how we will continue to build on our success.
Harvey Schwartz: At the event, we will share multi-year financial targets, more insights into the strategic direction of the firm, and how we will continue to build on our success. With that, let me turn the call over to Justin.
Speaker #3: With that, let me turn the call over to Justin.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Harvey. Good morning, everyone. I'd just like to start by saying how excited I am to assume the CFO role and have the opportunity to work more with each of you.
Daniel Harris: Thanks, Harvey. Good morning, everyone. I'd just like to start by saying how excited I am to assume the CFO role and have the opportunity to work more with each of you. Of course, a big thank you to John Redett for his time and leadership as CFO and for his help and guidance, which has made this transition so seamless. Turning to our results, in 2025, we had our third-best year ever in terms of distributable earnings. We generated $1.7 billion in DE for the year for $4.02 per share. This was up 11% from the prior year and is our highest level since 2022. For the fourth quarter, we generated $436 million of DE for $1.01 per share. Fee-related earnings were a record, $1.24 billion in 2025, a 12% organic growth rate, driven by sustained operating momentum across the firm.
Daniel Harris: Thanks, Harvey. Good morning, everyone. I'd just like to start by saying how excited I am to assume the CFO role and have the opportunity to work more with each of you. Of course, a big thank you to John Redett for his time and leadership as CFO and for his help and guidance, which has made this transition so seamless. Turning to our results, in 2025, we had our third-best year ever in terms of distributable earnings. We generated $1.7 billion in DE for the year for $4.02 per share. This was up 11% from the prior year and is our highest level since 2022. For the fourth quarter, we generated $436 million of DE for $1.01 per share. Fee-related earnings were a record, $1.24 billion in 2025, a 12% organic growth rate, driven by sustained operating momentum across the firm.
Speaker #2: And, of course, a big thank you to John Redett for his time and leadership as CFO, and for his help and guidance, which have made this transition so seamless.
Speaker #2: Turning to our results. In 2025, we had our third-best year ever in terms of distributable earnings. We generated $1.7 billion in DE for the year, or $4.02 per share.
Speaker #2: This was up 11% from the prior year, and is our highest level since 2022. For the fourth quarter, we generated $436 million of DE or $1.01 per share.
Speaker #2: Fee-related earnings were a record, $1.24 billion in 2025, a 12% organic growth rate. Driven by sustained operating momentum across the firm. The full year results significantly exceeded our initial guidance.
Daniel Harris: The full-year results significantly exceeded our initial guidance, and for the fourth quarter, FRE was $290 million. Total fee revenues were a record, $2.6 billion for the full year, a 10% organic growth rate. Fee revenues were primarily driven by Carlyle AlpInvest, which was up 46%, and Global Credit, which was up 13%. For the quarter, fee revenues were $670 million, an increase of 2% year over year. Our full-year FRE margin was also a record, 47%, up from 46% last year. This margin expansion reflects continued operating discipline and the scalability of our model. Three years ago, we outlined an organic growth strategy, which has clearly been successful as we have delivered consistent earnings growth. We continue to invest in priority growth initiatives such as global wealth, insurance solutions, and asset-backed finance, among others, and see significant opportunity in each for continued growth.
Daniel Harris: The full-year results significantly exceeded our initial guidance, and for the fourth quarter, FRE was $290 million. Total fee revenues were a record, $2.6 billion for the full year, a 10% organic growth rate. Fee revenues were primarily driven by Carlyle AlpInvest, which was up 46%, and Global Credit, which was up 13%. For the quarter, fee revenues were $670 million, an increase of 2% year over year. Our full-year FRE margin was also a record, 47%, up from 46% last year. This margin expansion reflects continued operating discipline and the scalability of our model. Three years ago, we outlined an organic growth strategy, which has clearly been successful as we have delivered consistent earnings growth. We continue to invest in priority growth initiatives such as global wealth, insurance solutions, and asset-backed finance, among others, and see significant opportunity in each for continued growth.
Speaker #2: And for the fourth quarter, FRE was $290 million. Total fee revenues were a record $2.6 billion for the full year, a 10% organic growth rate.
Speaker #2: Fee revenues were primarily driven by Carlyle App Invest, which was up 46%, and global credit, 13%. For the quarter, fee revenues were $670 million, an increase of 2% year over year.
Speaker #2: Our full year FRE margin was also a record, 47%, up from 46% last year. This margin expansion reflects continued operating discipline, and the scalability of our model.
Speaker #2: Three years ago, we outlined an organic growth strategy, which has clearly been successful as we have delivered consistent earnings growth. We continue to invest in priority growth initiatives such as global wealth, insurance solutions, and asset-backed finance, among others.
Speaker #2: And see significant opportunity in each for continued growth. We remain focused on investing for growth and expect that margins will further expand as revenues continue to scale.
Daniel Harris: We remain focused on investing for growth and expect that margins will further expand as revenues continue to scale. In addition to record financial metrics, we had an incredible year of activity across the platform in 2025. Inflows totaled $54 billion, well above our initial guidance in our third-best year on record. Inflows increased 32% year-over-year, led by Global Credit and Carlyle AlpInvest, which each increased by more than 60%. Evergreen Wealth inflows were also a record in 2025, which more than doubled the prior record set in 2024. For the fourth quarter, we generated $9.2 billion of inflows across the firm, with more than half of that total from a diverse set of strategies in Global Credit.
Daniel Harris: We remain focused on investing for growth and expect that margins will further expand as revenues continue to scale. In addition to record financial metrics, we had an incredible year of activity across the platform in 2025. Inflows totaled $54 billion, well above our initial guidance in our third-best year on record. Inflows increased 32% year-over-year, led by Global Credit and Carlyle AlpInvest, which each increased by more than 60%. Evergreen Wealth inflows were also a record in 2025, which more than doubled the prior record set in 2024. For the fourth quarter, we generated $9.2 billion of inflows across the firm, with more than half of that total from a diverse set of strategies in Global Credit.
Speaker #2: In addition to record financial metrics, we had an incredible year of activity across the platform in 2025. Inflows totaled $54 billion, well above our initial guidance in our third best year on record.
Speaker #2: Inflows increased 32% year over year, led by Global Credit and Carlyle App Invest, which each increased by more than 60%. Evergreen Wealth inflows were also a record in 2025, more than doubling the prior record set in 2024.
Speaker #2: For the fourth quarter, we generated $9.2 billion of inflows across the firm, with more than half of that total from a diverse set of strategies and global credit.
Speaker #2: Deployment was a record $54 billion in 2025, up more than 25% versus last year, led by a more than 40% increase at Carlyle App Invest and nearly 30% growth in global private equity.
Daniel Harris: Deployment was a record $54 billion in 2025, up more than 25% versus last year, led by a more than 40% increase at Carlyle AlpInvest and nearly 30% growth in global private equity. We deployed $17 billion in capital in the fourth quarter alone. With $88 billion of available capital across the firm, we are well-positioned to continue deploying capital throughout our business. Realized proceeds totaled $34 billion, almost 20% higher year-over-year, and our second-best year on record, reflecting improving exit conditions. We returned 17% of beginning value over the past year, significantly higher than the industry average. We realized $12 billion of proceeds in the fourth quarter alone for our fund investors. Turning now to segment performance, Carlyle AlpInvest generated a record $274 million of FRE for the year, up nearly 60% and almost four times the level from just two years ago.
Daniel Harris: Deployment was a record $54 billion in 2025, up more than 25% versus last year, led by a more than 40% increase at Carlyle AlpInvest and nearly 30% growth in global private equity. We deployed $17 billion in capital in the fourth quarter alone. With $88 billion of available capital across the firm, we are well-positioned to continue deploying capital throughout our business. Realized proceeds totaled $34 billion, almost 20% higher year-over-year, and our second-best year on record, reflecting improving exit conditions. We returned 17% of beginning value over the past year, significantly higher than the industry average. We realized $12 billion of proceeds in the fourth quarter alone for our fund investors. Turning now to segment performance, Carlyle AlpInvest generated a record $274 million of FRE for the year, up nearly 60% and almost four times the level from just two years ago.
Speaker #2: We deployed $17 billion in capital in the fourth quarter alone. With $88 billion of available capital across the firm, we are well positioned to continue deploying capital throughout our business.
Speaker #2: Realized proceeds totaled $34 billion, almost 20% higher year over year, and our second best year on record, reflecting improving exit conditions. We returned 17% of beginning value over the past year, significantly higher than the industry average.
Speaker #2: We realized $12 billion of proceeds in the fourth quarter alone for our fund investors. Turning now to segment performance, Carlyle App Invest generated a record $274 million of FRE for the year, up nearly 60%, and almost four times the level from just two years ago.
Speaker #2: Growth was driven by strong institutional and global wealth fundraising, and continued scale benefits across the platform. App Invest distributable earnings were also a record, at $319 million in 2025, almost 70% higher than last year.
Daniel Harris: Growth was driven by strong institutional and global wealth fundraising, and continued scale benefits across the platform. Alpha Invest's distributable earnings were also a record, $319 million in 2025, almost 70% higher than last year. The business remains well-positioned for further growth as net accrued carry, end of the year, at $656 million, up 21% year-over-year. For the fourth quarter, Alpha Invest's DE was $67 million, up 12% from the fourth quarter of 2024. In global credit, we delivered a record $402 million of FRE for 2025, up 21% from the prior year. FRE has grown at a 20% organic CAGR over the past three years. Net realized performance revenue tripled year-over-year, contributing to a record $481 million of DE in 2025. For the quarter, FRE increased 4% year-over-year to $102 million, and DE was up 7% to $123 million.
Daniel Harris: Growth was driven by strong institutional and global wealth fundraising, and continued scale benefits across the platform. Alpha Invest's distributable earnings were also a record, $319 million in 2025, almost 70% higher than last year. The business remains well-positioned for further growth as net accrued carry, end of the year, at $656 million, up 21% year-over-year. For the fourth quarter, Alpha Invest's DE was $67 million, up 12% from the fourth quarter of 2024. In global credit, we delivered a record $402 million of FRE for 2025, up 21% from the prior year. FRE has grown at a 20% organic CAGR over the past three years. Net realized performance revenue tripled year-over-year, contributing to a record $481 million of DE in 2025. For the quarter, FRE increased 4% year-over-year to $102 million, and DE was up 7% to $123 million.
Speaker #2: The business remains well positioned for further growth as net accrued carry end of the year at $656 million up 21% year over year. For the fourth quarter, App Invest DE was $67 million, up 12% from the fourth quarter of 2024.
Speaker #2: In global credit, we delivered a record $402 million of FRE for 2025, up 21% from the prior year. FRE has grown at a 20% organic CAGR over the past three years.
Speaker #2: Net realized performance revenue tripled year over year, contributing to a record $481 million of DE in 2025. For the quarter, FRE increased 4% year over year, to $102 million.
Speaker #2: And DE was up 7% to $123 million. Global private equity realized over $18 billion of proceeds in 2025, the highest level in the past three years.
Daniel Harris: Global private equity realized over $18 billion of proceeds in 2025, the highest level in the past three years. In addition, we've already signed or closed $7 billion of proceeds in corporate private equity just year to date. Strong appreciation in our two most recent U.S. buyout funds drove net accrued performance revenue to nearly $2 billion. Finally, I'll say a few words on capital management and the balance sheet. We ended 2025 with a strong balance sheet, including $2 billion of cash, over $3 billion of investments, and almost $3 billion of net accrued carry. Our net accrued carry was up 9% sequentially in Q4, driven by strong appreciation in several of our largest funds. Together, these assets represent approximately $23 per share of pre-tax value. On capital management, we returned a record $1.2 billion of capital to shareholders between dividends and share buybacks during 2025.
Daniel Harris: Global private equity realized over $18 billion of proceeds in 2025, the highest level in the past three years. In addition, we've already signed or closed $7 billion of proceeds in corporate private equity just year to date. Strong appreciation in our two most recent U.S. buyout funds drove net accrued performance revenue to nearly $2 billion. Finally, I'll say a few words on capital management and the balance sheet. We ended 2025 with a strong balance sheet, including $2 billion of cash, over $3 billion of investments, and almost $3 billion of net accrued carry. Our net accrued carry was up 9% sequentially in Q4, driven by strong appreciation in several of our largest funds. Together, these assets represent approximately $23 per share of pre-tax value. On capital management, we returned a record $1.2 billion of capital to shareholders between dividends and share buybacks during 2025.
Speaker #2: In addition, we've already signed or closed $7 billion of proceeds in corporate private equity, just year to date. Strong appreciation in our two most recent US buyout funds drove net accrued performance revenue to nearly $2 billion.
Speaker #2: Finally, I'll say a few words on capital management and the balance sheet. We ended 2025 with a strong balance sheet, including $2 billion of cash, over $3 billion of investments, and almost $3 billion of net accrued carry.
Speaker #2: Our net accrued carry was up 9% sequentially in the fourth quarter, driven by strong appreciation in several of our largest funds. Together, these assets represent approximately $23 per share of pre-tax value.
Speaker #2: And on capital management, we returned a record $1.2 billion of capital to shareholders between dividends and share buybacks during 2025. Looking ahead, we entered 2026 with solid momentum across the platform.
Daniel Harris: Looking ahead, we enter 2026 with solid momentum across the platform. We expect continued growth supported by a diversified fundraising pipeline, expansion in global wealth, and improving capital markets conditions. While the macro environment remains complex, it is generally constructive for deployment and realization activity. We look forward to providing additional detail at our 2026 shareholder update on 26 February 2026. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator to take your questions.
Daniel Harris: Looking ahead, we enter 2026 with solid momentum across the platform. We expect continued growth supported by a diversified fundraising pipeline, expansion in global wealth, and improving capital markets conditions. While the macro environment remains complex, it is generally constructive for deployment and realization activity. We look forward to providing additional detail at our 2026 shareholder update on 26 February 2026. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator to take your questions.
Speaker #2: We expect continued growth, supported by a diversified fundraising pipeline, expansion in global wealth, and improving capital markets conditions. While the macro environment remains complex, it is generally constructive for deployment and realization activity.
Speaker #2: We look forward to providing additional detail at our 2026 shareholder update on February 26. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator to take your questions.
Speaker #1: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1. And our first question comes from Alex Blowstein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11. Our first question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11. Our first question comes from Alex Blostein with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Hey, good morning, Harvey. Welcome, Justin officially, to the CFO role. So good morning. So Harvey, to your point, Carlos showed a lot of momentum in beginning to drive pretty meaningful realizations in the private equity portfolio in 2025.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Hey, good morning, Harvey. Welcome, Justin, officially to the CFO role. So, Harvey.
Alex Blostein: Hey, good morning, Harvey. Welcome, Justin, officially to the CFO role. So, Harvey.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, good morning, Alex.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, good morning, Alex.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Good morning. So Harvey, to your point, Carlyle showed a lot of momentum in beginning to drive pretty meaningful realizations in the private equity portfolio in 2025. You sound constructive, but obviously, the environment's changed a bit just in the last couple of days here. So would love to get your thoughts on how you're thinking about sort of sustainability in this monetization momentum into 2026. How dependent are you guys on the equity market exits versus more M&A transactions that you might see in your backlog? Thanks.
Alex Blostein: Good morning. So Harvey, to your point, Carlyle showed a lot of momentum in beginning to drive pretty meaningful realizations in the private equity portfolio in 2025. You sound constructive, but obviously, the environment's changed a bit just in the last couple of days here. So would love to get your thoughts on how you're thinking about sort of sustainability in this monetization momentum into 2026. How dependent are you guys on the equity market exits versus more M&A transactions that you might see in your backlog? Thanks.
Speaker #2: You sound constructive, but obviously the environment has changed a bit just in the last couple of days here. So we'd love to get your thoughts on how you're thinking about sort of sustainability in this monetization momentum into 2026, how dependent are you guys on the equity market exits versus more M&A transactions that you might see in your backlog?
Speaker #2: Thanks.
Speaker #3: You know, I'd be reluctant to extrapolate the last week's volatility into something that becomes longer stretched; we're all going to have to see how the market responds to this kind of reallocation of capital and some concerns about capital spending.
Harvey Schwartz: I'd be reluctant to extrapolate the last week's volatility into something that becomes longer stretched. We're all going to have to see how the market responds to this kind of reallocation of capital and some concerns about capital spending. I'll tell you, when we get our best information, Alex, we talked about this before, from our proprietary data in our portfolio. And when we look across all the companies that we own and interact with, the January data looks very good. So if you were just to look at that data, you would feel very good about GDP growth, margins, EBITDA generation. And so I can extrapolate that, obviously, from our portfolio, given the size of it, to the broader economy in the US and globally. But it looks pretty good. Obviously, the markets have demonstrated some jitters, and we'll all navigate through that.
Harvey Schwartz: I'd be reluctant to extrapolate the last week's volatility into something that becomes longer stretched. We're all going to have to see how the market responds to this kind of reallocation of capital and some concerns about capital spending. I'll tell you, when we get our best information, Alex, we talked about this before, from our proprietary data in our portfolio. And when we look across all the companies that we own and interact with, the January data looks very good. So if you were just to look at that data, you would feel very good about GDP growth, margins, EBITDA generation. And so I can extrapolate that, obviously, from our portfolio, given the size of it, to the broader economy in the US and globally. But it looks pretty good. Obviously, the markets have demonstrated some jitters, and we'll all navigate through that.
Speaker #3: I'll tell you, when we get our best information out, as we talked about this before, from our proprietary data in our portfolio, and when we look across all the companies that we own and interact with, the January data looks very good.
Speaker #3: So if you were just to look at that data, you would feel very good about GDP growth, margins, EBITDA generation, and so I can extrapolate that, obviously, from our portfolio, given the size of it to the broader economy, in the US and globally.
Speaker #3: But it looks pretty good. Obviously, the markets have demonstrated some jitters and we'll all navigate through that. But I would say, in aggregate, again, we're all going to deal with the market environment we get.
Harvey Schwartz: But I would say, in aggregate, again, we're all going to deal with the market environment we get. But credit spreads have moved a bit. There's a bit of hesitation. It's a bit of a how would I say it? A bit of a self-first, ask questions later as people readjust their portfolios. But the economic engine feels quite good. Having said that, the markets have demonstrated some fragility, and we've talked about that. But I don't think that should be too surprising, given we're at record highs. But again, going back to the engine and the performance, it feels very good.
Harvey Schwartz: But I would say, in aggregate, again, we're all going to deal with the market environment we get. But credit spreads have moved a bit. There's a bit of hesitation. It's a bit of a how would I say it? A bit of a self-first, ask questions later as people readjust their portfolios. But the economic engine feels quite good. Having said that, the markets have demonstrated some fragility, and we've talked about that. But I don't think that should be too surprising, given we're at record highs. But again, going back to the engine and the performance, it feels very good.
Speaker #3: But credit spreads have moved a bit. There's a bit of hesitation. It's a bit of a—how would I say it—a bit of a self-first, ask-questions-later as people readjust their portfolios.
Speaker #3: But the economic engine feels quite good. Having said that, the markets have demonstrated some fragility, and we've talked about that. But I don't think that should be too surprising, given we're at record highs.
Speaker #3: But again, going back to the engine, it feels very
Speaker #3: good. Thank
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Glenn Schorr with Evercore. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Glenn Schorr with Evercore. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: you. Our next question comes from Glenn Score with Evercore. Your line is open.
Speaker #4: Hey, Glenn.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, Glenn.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, Glenn.
Speaker #2: Hello there. How are you?
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Hello there. How are you?
Alex Blostein: Hello there. How are you?
Harvey Schwartz: Great.
Harvey Schwartz: Great.
Speaker #2: So Great. look, you're an interesting on what's going on in perception versus reality in the direct lending and credit world. Because you have a piece in CTAC, you have a piece in your secured lending fund.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): So look, you're in an interesting spot to comment on what's going on in perception versus reality in the direct lending and credit world because you have a piece in CTAC. You have a piece in your secured lending fund. But for the most part, you've built a big credit business outside of what's in the line of fire right now, at least publicly, right, in your CLO and your ABS business. So my gut is, forgive me for putting words in your mouth, you've been probably thinking about having a bigger presence in the direct lending world over the last couple of years as you've seen the growth and software exposure excluded. I'm curious how you think about the state of play, how you think about credit quality and exposures out there.
Alex Blostein: So look, you're in an interesting spot to comment on what's going on in perception versus reality in the direct lending and credit world because you have a piece in CTAC. You have a piece in your secured lending fund. But for the most part, you've built a big credit business outside of what's in the line of fire right now, at least publicly, right, in your CLO and your ABS business. So my gut is, forgive me for putting words in your mouth, you've been probably thinking about having a bigger presence in the direct lending world over the last couple of years as you've seen the growth and software exposure excluded. I'm curious how you think about the state of play, how you think about credit quality and exposures out there.
Speaker #2: But for the most part, you've built a big credit business outside of what's in the line of fire right now, at least publicly, right?
Speaker #2: So, in your CLO and your ABF business—so, my gut is, forgive me for putting words in your mouth—you've been probably thinking about having a bigger presence in the direct lending world over the last couple of years as you've seen the growth.
Speaker #2: And software exposure excluded. I'm curious how you think about the state of play, how you think about credit quality and exposures out there, and more importantly, how does any of this inform how you're thinking about growing your credit platform, including a bigger presence in the wealth channel?
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): And more importantly, how does any of this inform how you're thinking about growing your credit platform, including a bigger presence in the wealth channel? Thanks. Appreciate the thoughts.
Alex Blostein: And more importantly, how does any of this inform how you're thinking about growing your credit platform, including a bigger presence in the wealth channel? Thanks. Appreciate the thoughts.
Speaker #2: Thanks. Appreciate the thoughts.
Speaker #4: All right. Thanks, Glenn. I'll maybe need to let Justin fill in some details on the credit business because he was a key driver of building that over the last 20 years.
Harvey Schwartz: All right. Thanks, Glenn. Well, maybe if needed, I'll let Justin fill in some details on the credit business because he was a key driver of building that over the last 20 years. But what I would say with regards to how we're being informed by all this, there was a lot of discussion last year about direct lending and sort of marginal market participants coming in and sort of driving spreads tighter and maybe terms a bit too aggressively. Ironically, when I showed up 3 years ago, some of the conversations I had with you were things like, "Hey, you guys should be bigger in direct lending." Now, we've been very systematic and thoughtful about how we've been doing that. But we've really been, I'd say, kind of positioning for the opportunity set to open up like this.
Harvey Schwartz: All right. Thanks, Glenn. Well, maybe if needed, I'll let Justin fill in some details on the credit business because he was a key driver of building that over the last 20 years. But what I would say with regards to how we're being informed by all this, there was a lot of discussion last year about direct lending and sort of marginal market participants coming in and sort of driving spreads tighter and maybe terms a bit too aggressively. Ironically, when I showed up 3 years ago, some of the conversations I had with you were things like, "Hey, you guys should be bigger in direct lending." Now, we've been very systematic and thoughtful about how we've been doing that. But we've really been, I'd say, kind of positioning for the opportunity set to open up like this.
Speaker #4: But what I would say with regards to how we're being informed by all this, there was a lot of discussion last year about direct lending and sort of marginal market participants coming in and sort of driving spreads tighter and maybe terms a bit too aggressively.
Speaker #4: Ironically, when I showed up three years ago, some of the conversations I had about I had with you were things like, "Hey, you guys should be bigger in direct lending." Now, we've been very systematic and thoughtful about how we've been doing that.
Speaker #4: But we really have been I'd say kind of positioning for the opportunity set to open up like this. And so we feel quite good about it, given our footprint and ability to scale from here.
Harvey Schwartz: And so we feel quite good about it given our footprint and ability to scale from here. As I mentioned, we've added a new head of direct lending, and Justin drove a lot of that along with Mark Jenkins, obviously, and new origination. So we feel quite front-footed. On the wealth front, we continue to add to platforms. Actually, we were positive on all our flows in Q4. It was one of our best quarters ever across the entire platform, including credit. And we're launching on more platforms. And so again, momentum feels good. There's this nervousness that has gripped the market for the last couple of days. But again, we're being thoughtful, very thoughtful about deployment. But we feel good about the positioning, the breadth of the franchise. I don't know, Justin, if you'd add anything.
Harvey Schwartz: And so we feel quite good about it given our footprint and ability to scale from here. As I mentioned, we've added a new head of direct lending, and Justin drove a lot of that along with Mark Jenkins, obviously, and new origination. So we feel quite front-footed. On the wealth front, we continue to add to platforms. Actually, we were positive on all our flows in Q4. It was one of our best quarters ever across the entire platform, including credit. And we're launching on more platforms. And so again, momentum feels good. There's this nervousness that has gripped the market for the last couple of days. But again, we're being thoughtful, very thoughtful about deployment. But we feel good about the positioning, the breadth of the franchise. I don't know, Justin, if you'd add anything.
Speaker #4: As I mentioned, we've added a new head of direct lending, and Justin drove a lot of that along with Mark Jenkins, obviously, and new origination.
Speaker #4: So, we feel quite front-footed on the wealth front. We continue to have the platforms. Actually, we were positive on all our flows in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #4: It was one of our best quarters ever across the entire platform, including Credit. And we're launching on more platforms, and so, again, momentum feels good.
Speaker #4: There's just nervousness that has gripped the market for the last couple of days. But again, we're being thoughtful—very thoughtful—about deployment. But we feel good about the positioning, the breadth of the franchise.
Speaker #4: I don't know, Justin, if you'd add anything.
Speaker #2: No, that's exactly right. I mean, we've built our credit business specifically to cover really the full universe of what private credit has to offer, to be diversified and build durable portfolios that should do well through cycles.
Justin Pluff: No, that's exactly right. I mean, we've built our credit business specifically to cover really the full universe of what private credit has to offer, to be diversified and build durable portfolios that should do well through cycles. And of course, we've been managing credit for more than 25 years through multiple cycles. So I think our credit business is really an all-weather business. I think it's incredibly well-positioned to weather any of this volatility. And we're seeing that result in terms of investors' appetite. As Harvey said, we had significant inflows into our credit wealth funds this quarter. So we're in a good position. We feel really good about our portfolio and our business.
Justin Plouffe: No, that's exactly right. I mean, we've built our credit business specifically to cover really the full universe of what private credit has to offer, to be diversified and build durable portfolios that should do well through cycles. And of course, we've been managing credit for more than 25 years through multiple cycles. So I think our credit business is really an all-weather business. I think it's incredibly well-positioned to weather any of this volatility. And we're seeing that result in terms of investors' appetite. As Harvey said, we had significant inflows into our credit wealth funds this quarter. So we're in a good position. We feel really good about our portfolio and our business.
Speaker #2: And of course, we've been managing credit for more than 25 years through multiple cycles. So I think our credit business is really an all-weather business.
Speaker #2: I think it's incredibly well-positioned to weather any of this volatility. And we're seeing that result in terms of investors' appetite. As Harvey said, we had significant inflows into our credit wealth funds this quarter.
Speaker #2: So we're in a good position. We feel really good about our portfolio and our business.
Speaker #4: I don't know what we do with the detail that we got yesterday, but a lot of the companies were able to provide the software and related exposures as a percentage of AUM, a percentage of each of the businesses.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): I don't know what we'd do with the detail that we got yesterday, but a lot of the companies were able to provide the software-related exposure as a percentage of AUM, a percentage of each of the businesses. Are you able to give us a little apples to apples to put things in perspective?
Alex Blostein: I don't know what we'd do with the detail that we got yesterday, but a lot of the companies were able to provide the software-related exposure as a percentage of AUM, a percentage of each of the businesses. Are you able to give us a little apples to apples to put things in perspective?
Speaker #4: Are you able to give us a little apples-to-apples to put things in perspective?
Speaker #4: perspective? Yeah.
Justin Pluff: Yeah. Software investing has never been a big driver for Carlyle. As you know, our power alleys have been in things like aerospace and defense, healthcare, and industrial. So it's never been a huge driver of our business. I think others were giving a percentage of AUM. Ours is 6% of total AUM, which I believe is below others. But again, not a huge driver of our business and not something we think is problematic.
Justin Plouffe: Yeah. Software investing has never been a big driver for Carlyle. As you know, our power alleys have been in things like aerospace and defense, healthcare, and industrial. So it's never been a huge driver of our business. I think others were giving a percentage of AUM. Ours is 6% of total AUM, which I believe is below others. But again, not a huge driver of our business and not something we think is problematic.
Speaker #2: Software investing has never been a big driver for Carlyle. As you know, our power alleys have been in things like aerospace and defense, healthcare, and industrial.
Speaker #2: So it's never been a huge driver of our business. I think others were giving a percentage of AUM. Ours is 6% of total AUM, which I believe is below others.
Speaker #2: But again, not a huge driver of our business and not something we think is problematic.
Speaker #4: We try to use the broadest possible
Speaker #4: We try to use the broadest possible definition of that 6% too, Glenn. That's All-inclusive is
Harvey Schwartz: We try to use the broadest possible definition of that 6% too, Glenn.
Harvey Schwartz: We try to use the broadest possible definition of that 6% too, Glenn.
Justin Pluff: That's right. Exactly.
Justin Plouffe: That's right. Exactly.
Speaker #2: right. Exactly.
Harvey Schwartz: All-inclusive, however you could think about it. Top part of CapEx everywhere it could be. But as Justin said, this is not a piston in the engine that has been a key driver of Carlyle's strategy.
Harvey Schwartz: All-inclusive, however you could think about it. Top part of CapEx everywhere it could be. But as Justin said, this is not a piston in the engine that has been a key driver of Carlyle's strategy.
Speaker #4: However you could think about it—top part of caps, tax, everywhere you could be. But as Justin said, this is not a piston in the engine that has been a key driver of Carlyle's.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Brown with UBS. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Mike Brown with UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: you. Our next question comes from Mike Brown, with UBS. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Great. Good morning, guys. Good
[Analyst] (UBS): Great. Good morning, guys.
Harvey Schwartz: Great. Good morning, guys.
Speaker #4: morning, Mike.
Harvey Schwartz: Morning, Mike.
Harvey Schwartz: Morning, Mike.
[Analyst] (UBS): Hey.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey.
Speaker #4: So maybe I'll ask on the Hey. margin here. So it reached 47% here in 2025. And looking at the segments, it looks like Alpha Invest was the best driver, followed by credit, GPE's margin declined a bit here.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Maybe I'll ask on the margin here. It reached 47% here in 2025. Looking at the segments, it looks like Alpha Invest was the best driver, followed by credit. GPE's margin declined a bit here. Alpha Invest had some tailwinds from catch-up fees. Just looking forward here, Justin, you mentioned that expect margins can continue to expand. Can you maybe just touch on each segment, which segment could see the most expansion in 2026, and then longer term, which segment drives the margin higher longer term? Which one could kind of be the biggest growth engine there?
Alex Blostein: Maybe I'll ask on the margin here. It reached 47% here in 2025. Looking at the segments, it looks like Alpha Invest was the best driver, followed by credit. GPE's margin declined a bit here. Alpha Invest had some tailwinds from catch-up fees. Just looking forward here, Justin, you mentioned that expect margins can continue to expand. Can you maybe just touch on each segment, which segment could see the most expansion in 2026, and then longer term, which segment drives the margin higher longer term? Which one could kind of be the biggest growth engine there?
Speaker #4: Alpha Invest had some tailwinds from catch-up fees. And just looking forward here—so, Justin, you mentioned that you expect margins can continue to expand.
Speaker #4: Can you maybe just touch on each segment? Which segment could see the most expansion in 2026? And then, longer term, which segment drives the margin higher over the long term?
Speaker #4: Which one could kind of be the biggest growth engine there? So we'll go into more detail that on the '26. I really hope you can join us for that and when we go through the multi-year plan.
Harvey Schwartz: So we'll go into more detail of that on the 2026. I really hope you can join us for that when we go through the multi-year plan. What I will say about the margin, just reflecting on the past three years, is I think what the team has done is pretty remarkable because they've managed to invest in the business, add resources, grow headcount, really reposition the platform, and drive the margins 1,000 basis points, basically, since the day I showed up. And so it's been a really remarkable effort. But we'll go into more detail on all those things on the 2026 in terms of the forward outlook.
Harvey Schwartz: So we'll go into more detail of that on the 2026. I really hope you can join us for that when we go through the multi-year plan. What I will say about the margin, just reflecting on the past three years, is I think what the team has done is pretty remarkable because they've managed to invest in the business, add resources, grow headcount, really reposition the platform, and drive the margins 1,000 basis points, basically, since the day I showed up. And so it's been a really remarkable effort. But we'll go into more detail on all those things on the 2026 in terms of the forward outlook.
Speaker #4: What I will say about the margin, just reflecting on the past three years, is I think what the team has done is pretty remarkable because they've managed to invest in the business, add resources, grow headcount, really reposition the platform, and drive the margins 1,000 basis points basically since the day I showed up.
Speaker #4: remarkable And so it's been a really effort. But we'll go into more detail on all those things on the '26. In terms of the forward
Speaker #4: outlook. Okay.
Justin Pluff: Okay. Looking forward to the update. Thanks.
Justin Plouffe: Okay. Looking forward to the update. Thanks.
Speaker #3: Looking forward to the update.
Speaker #3: Thanks. Yeah.
Harvey Schwartz: Yeah. Thanks so much.
Harvey Schwartz: Yeah. Thanks so much.
Speaker #4: Thanks so much.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Katz, with TD Cowan. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Katz with TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Katz with TD Cowen. Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thank you very much. I presume the answer will be CU on the '26, but I'll ask it anyway. I was wondering if you could maybe talk a little bit about where you might stand in terms of capital raising, particularly for the fund nine.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Okay. Thank you very much. I presume the answer will be see you in 2026, but I'll ask it anyway. I was wondering if you could maybe talk a little bit about where you might stand in terms of capital raising, particularly for the Fund 9. It looks like Fund 8 had really good appreciation. Hear your comments on the realization pace and the DPI metrics as well. And then I'm curious; you are running up against the conclusion of your repurchase program. I'm wondering how you're thinking about capital priorities into the new year. Thank you.
Alex Blostein: Okay. Thank you very much. I presume the answer will be see you in 2026, but I'll ask it anyway. I was wondering if you could maybe talk a little bit about where you might stand in terms of capital raising, particularly for the Fund 9. It looks like Fund 8 had really good appreciation. Hear your comments on the realization pace and the DPI metrics as well. And then I'm curious; you are running up against the conclusion of your repurchase program. I'm wondering how you're thinking about capital priorities into the new year. Thank you.
Speaker #3: It looks like Fund Eight had really good appreciation here. Your comments on the realization pace and the DPI metrics as well. And then I'm curious, you are running up against the conclusion of your repurchase program.
Speaker #3: I'm wondering how you're thinking about capital priorities into the new year. Thank you.
Speaker #3: you. Thanks, Bill.
Harvey Schwartz: Thanks, Bill. So I'm trying to figure out what I say before I say see you on the 2026. So a lot of the forward-looking stuff, we are going to go into, obviously, much more detail on the 2026. I would say that the client engagement and the fundraising is impressive for a whole host of reasons. But when I think about it and what the team has accomplished over the last couple of years, it really is about the diversification in the business mix, both across institutional clients, so it's pension funds, it's insurance, it's sovereigns. And obviously, the strategic pivot in the wealth channel, now having basically all three flagship funds up and running. But it's also geographic.
Harvey Schwartz: Thanks, Bill. So I'm trying to figure out what I say before I say see you on the 2026. So a lot of the forward-looking stuff, we are going to go into, obviously, much more detail on the 2026. I would say that the client engagement and the fundraising is impressive for a whole host of reasons. But when I think about it and what the team has accomplished over the last couple of years, it really is about the diversification in the business mix, both across institutional clients, so it's pension funds, it's insurance, it's sovereigns. And obviously, the strategic pivot in the wealth channel, now having basically all three flagship funds up and running. But it's also geographic.
Speaker #4: So I'm trying to figure out what I say before I say C on the '26. stuff, we are going to go into obviously much So a lot of the forward-looking more detail on the '26.
Speaker #4: would say I that the plan engagement and the fundraising is impressive for a whole host of reasons. But when I think about it and what the team has accomplished over the last couple of years, it really is about the diversification in the business mix, both across institutional clients.
Speaker #4: also geographic. And so you have this nice diversified set across clients and geographies. And opportunities that's really driving all of it and the success of the 54 billion that we brought in last year and the success of the last couple of years.
Harvey Schwartz: So you have this nice diversified set across clients, geographies, and opportunities that's really driving all of it and the success of the $54 billion that we brought in last year and the success of the last couple of years. But we'll give you more insights. But I would say, again, we feel quite well-positioned for forward trajectory given, when we look at the fundraising over the next couple of years, flagship vehicles that'll be in the market, but everything that's gone into building and supporting those flagship vehicles and resources we've added. But we will see on the 2026.
Harvey Schwartz: So you have this nice diversified set across clients, geographies, and opportunities that's really driving all of it and the success of the $54 billion that we brought in last year and the success of the last couple of years. But we'll give you more insights. But I would say, again, we feel quite well-positioned for forward trajectory given, when we look at the fundraising over the next couple of years, flagship vehicles that'll be in the market, but everything that's gone into building and supporting those flagship vehicles and resources we've added. But we will see on the 2026.
Speaker #4: And so we'll give you more insights. But I would say, again, we feel quite well-positioned. For forward trajectory, given the when we look at the fundraising over the next couple of years, flagship vehicles, that'll be in the market.
Speaker #4: But everything that's gone into building and supporting those flagship vehicles and resources we've added. But we will see on the '26.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Patrick David, with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Patrick Davitt with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hey, good morning, everyone. I appreciate the software exposure at 6%, but I would imagine you're CLOs have a fair amount of exposure and those loans are obviously down a lot.
[Analyst] (Autonomous Research): Hey. Good morning, everyone. I appreciate the software exposure at 6%. But I would imagine your CLOs have a fair amount of exposure, and those loans are obviously down a lot. So could you frame the exposure, just in the CLO bucket, and to what extent performance as a result of this recent volatility could impact over-collateralization tests? Thank you.
Patrick Davitt: Hey. Good morning, everyone. I appreciate the software exposure at 6%. But I would imagine your CLOs have a fair amount of exposure, and those loans are obviously down a lot. So could you frame the exposure, just in the CLO bucket, and to what extent performance as a result of this recent volatility could impact over-collateralization tests? Thank you.
Speaker #6: So could you frame the exposure just in the CLO bucket and to what extent performance as a result of this recent volatility could impact over collateralization tests?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Our CLO performance has been among the best in the industry. Our team has done a phenomenal job. Our software exposure is right on top of the index.
Justin Pluff: Our CLO performance has been among the best in the industry. Our team has done a phenomenal job. Our software exposure is right on top of the index. We're not overweight. We're not underweight. And look, when we invest in software, we've been doing this for many, many years, right? So we've had disruptive technologies before, and our teams are very, very well-positioned to address these. So look, our CLO business is the best in the world, in my view. Their performance has been fantastic. I don't expect this recent volatility to affect them at all.
Justin Plouffe: Our CLO performance has been among the best in the industry. Our team has done a phenomenal job. Our software exposure is right on top of the index. We're not overweight. We're not underweight. And look, when we invest in software, we've been doing this for many, many years, right? So we've had disruptive technologies before, and our teams are very, very well-positioned to address these. So look, our CLO business is the best in the world, in my view. Their performance has been fantastic. I don't expect this recent volatility to affect them at all.
Speaker #2: We're not overweight. We're not underweight. And look, when we invest in software—we've been doing this for many, many years, right? So we've had disruptive technologies before, and our teams are very, very well-positioned to address these.
Speaker #2: So look, our CLO business is the best in the world, in my view. Their performance has been fantastic. I don't expect this recent volatility to affect them at all.
Speaker #4: If anything, again, I don't want to make near-term market predictions because things are so sort of, I don't know, one day we could be tired, one day we could be looser.
Harvey Schwartz: If anything, again, I don't want to make near-term market predictions because things are so sort of I don't know. One day, we could be tighter. One day, we could be looser. But there may be some technical opportunities here in the marketplace across that business, which give us the opportunity, actually, to launch a few deals. But again, I think look, Justin grew up in that business. The team's world-class. But we're kind of, as you said, right there with the index.
Harvey Schwartz: If anything, again, I don't want to make near-term market predictions because things are so sort of I don't know. One day, we could be tighter. One day, we could be looser. But there may be some technical opportunities here in the marketplace across that business, which give us the opportunity, actually, to launch a few deals. But again, I think look, Justin grew up in that business. The team's world-class. But we're kind of, as you said, right there with the index.
Speaker #4: But there may be some technical opportunities here in the marketplace across that business, which give us the opportunity actually to launch a few deals.
Speaker #4: So but again, I think look, Justin grew up in that business. The team's world-class. But that's a we're kind of, as you said, right there with the index.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brendan Hawkins with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brennan Hawken with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brennan Hawken with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: open. Thanks for taking my
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Thanks for taking my question. This is Mark Palucian for Brennan Hawken. Within Alpha Invest, catch-up fees preceding this quarter, I believe, exceeded the $56 million reported for the full year. Could we read that to imply there were negative catch-up fees this quarter?
Alex Blostein: Thanks for taking my question. This is Mark Palucian for Brennan Hawken. Within Alpha Invest, catch-up fees preceding this quarter, I believe, exceeded the $56 million reported for the full year. Could we read that to imply there were negative catch-up fees this quarter?
Speaker #5: question. This is Mark Pulitrion for Brendan Hawkins. Within Alpha Invest, the fees preceding this quarter, I believe it exceeded the 56 million reported for the full year.
Speaker #5: Could we read that to imply there was negative catch-up fees this quarter?
Speaker #4: Not negative.
Harvey Schwartz: Not negative.
Harvey Schwartz: Not negative.
Justin Pluff: No. They're not negative catch-up fees this quarter. We did have catch-up fees earlier in the year. But if you actually strip those out, Alpha Invest management fees were up 4% quarter-over-quarter. So the momentum there is still good.
Justin Plouffe: No. They're not negative catch-up fees this quarter. We did have catch-up fees earlier in the year. But if you actually strip those out, Alpha Invest management fees were up 4% quarter-over-quarter. So the momentum there is still good.
Speaker #2: They're not negative catch-up fees this quarter. We did have catch-up fees earlier in the year, but if you actually strip those out, Alpha Invest management fees were up 4% quarter over quarter.
Speaker #2: So the momentum there is still good.
Speaker #3: Yeah. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Yeah. Thank you.
Alex Blostein: Yeah. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Chubak, with Wolf Research. Your line is
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Chubak with Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: open.
Speaker #6: Hi, good
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Hi. Good morning, Harvey. Welcome, Justin. Appreciate you guys taking my question. So I wanted to ask on.
Steven Chubak: Hi. Good morning, Harvey. Welcome, Justin. Appreciate you guys taking my question. So I wanted to ask on.
Speaker #6: morning. Harvey, and welcome, Justin. Appreciate you guys taking my question. So I wanted to ask on trend hey, guys. So I wanted to ask on transaction fees.
Justin Pluff: Hey, David.
Justin Plouffe: Hey, David.
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Hey, guys. So I wanted to ask on transaction fees. Had another really strong year. You indicated you anticipate a more active monetization backdrop for next year with transaction fees just nearly tripling over a year time frame. Is there any way for you to help frame the revenue upside or potential? Are there any areas where you feel like you're under-earning? And are there any remaining gaps on the platform in terms of your overall offering?
Steven Chubak: Hey, guys. So I wanted to ask on transaction fees. Had another really strong year. You indicated you anticipate a more active monetization backdrop for next year with transaction fees just nearly tripling over a year time frame. Is there any way for you to help frame the revenue upside or potential? Are there any areas where you feel like you're under-earning? And are there any remaining gaps on the platform in terms of your overall offering?
Speaker #6: I had another really strong year. You indicated you anticipate a more active monetization backdrop for next year. With transaction fees just nearly tripling over two-year timeframe, is there any way for you to help frame the revenue upside or potential?
Speaker #6: Are there any areas where you feel like you're under-earning? And are there any remaining gaps on the platform in terms of your overall offering?
Speaker #4: We'll give you more insights into that on the '26 in terms of the forward. I think you really I'm sorry, but you really kind of nailed it in terms of what I think is most impressive is this basically was almost a zero when I showed up three years ago.
Harvey Schwartz: We'll give you more insights into that on the 2026 in terms of the forward. I think you really. I'm sorry. But you really kind of nailed it in terms of what I think is most impressive is this basically was almost at zero when I showed up three years ago. And what I think it really demonstrates is the agility of the platform, the way the team has led and built this business, and really flexibly focused on a strategic priority. You may remember a couple of years ago, one of the workstreams I talked about was capital markets and transaction fees. And I think there were some skeptical people that thought we wouldn't be able to build this out. The short answer is, and we've talked about it before, there are some gaps. There's still some businesses that, because of historical fund documents, will come online.
Harvey Schwartz: We'll give you more insights into that on the 2026 in terms of the forward. I think you really. I'm sorry. But you really kind of nailed it in terms of what I think is most impressive is this basically was almost at zero when I showed up three years ago. And what I think it really demonstrates is the agility of the platform, the way the team has led and built this business, and really flexibly focused on a strategic priority. You may remember a couple of years ago, one of the workstreams I talked about was capital markets and transaction fees. And I think there were some skeptical people that thought we wouldn't be able to build this out. The short answer is, and we've talked about it before, there are some gaps. There's still some businesses that, because of historical fund documents, will come online.
Speaker #4: And when I think it really demonstrates is the agility of the platform, the way the team has led and built this business, and really flexibly focused on a strategic priority.
Speaker #4: You may remember a couple of years ago, one of the workstreams I talked about was capital markets and transaction fees. And I think there were some skeptical people that thought we wouldn't be able to build this out.
Speaker #4: The short answer is, and we've talked about it before, there are some gaps. There's still some businesses that, because of fund historical fund documents, will come online.
Speaker #4: So there's an opportunity set. But we still see upside, but we'll give you more color on that on the
Harvey Schwartz: So it's an opportunity set. But we still see upside. But we'll give you more color on that on the 2026.
Harvey Schwartz: So it's an opportunity set. But we still see upside. But we'll give you more color on that on the 2026.
Speaker #4: '26.
Speaker #6: Fair enough. Thanks for taking my
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Fair enough. Thanks for taking my question.
Steven Chubak: Fair enough. Thanks for taking my question.
Speaker #6: question. Thank you.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian McKenna with Citizens. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian McKenna with Citizens. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: Our next question comes from Brian McKenna, with Citizens. Your line is
Speaker #1: open. Thanks.
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So there's clearly a ton of momentum in the wealth channel, and it feels like flows are really beginning to inflect here. I suspect a lot of this has to do with your efforts on the branding front and what Carlyle has to offer these clients globally. But can you spend a minute talking about the Carlyle story you're telling in the wealth channel today? What's resonating with these distribution partners and their clients? And then are there still opportunities to further enhance your brand in the channel?
Brian McKenna: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. So there's clearly a ton of momentum in the wealth channel, and it feels like flows are really beginning to inflect here. I suspect a lot of this has to do with your efforts on the branding front and what Carlyle has to offer these clients globally. But can you spend a minute talking about the Carlyle story you're telling in the wealth channel today? What's resonating with these distribution partners and their clients? And then are there still opportunities to further enhance your brand in the channel?
Speaker #7: Good morning, everyone. So there's clearly a ton of momentum in the wealth channel and it feels like flows are really beginning to inflect here.
Speaker #7: I suspect a lot of this has to do with your efforts on the branding front and what Carlyle has to offer these clients globally.
Speaker #7: But can you spend a minute talking about the Carlyle story you're telling in the wealth channel today? What's resonating with these distribution partners and their clients?
Speaker #7: And then are there still opportunities to further enhance your brand in the channel?
Speaker #4: So this was obviously a strategic pivot three years ago. And this is what we've done. First of all, the brand is global. Iconic, long, long history.
Harvey Schwartz: This was obviously a strategic pivot three years ago. This is what we've done. First of all, the brand is global, iconic, long, long history. That is fundamental to being on platforms, being recognized globally. David Rubenstein and the team, they've been going to the Middle East since the 1990s. We were the first to have a franchise in Japan. We stayed in Japan for 25 years. We were the only firm that didn't leave. It's this commitment geographically and the brand recognition, which is a cornerstone of an ability to deliver solutions. Obviously, performance is a key driver here. The way the teams have thought about driving these solutions is about creating diversification. So the breadth of diversification is quite important to our clients.
Harvey Schwartz: This was obviously a strategic pivot three years ago. This is what we've done. First of all, the brand is global, iconic, long, long history. That is fundamental to being on platforms, being recognized globally. David Rubenstein and the team, they've been going to the Middle East since the 1990s. We were the first to have a franchise in Japan. We stayed in Japan for 25 years. We were the only firm that didn't leave. It's this commitment geographically and the brand recognition, which is a cornerstone of an ability to deliver solutions. Obviously, performance is a key driver here. The way the teams have thought about driving these solutions is about creating diversification. So the breadth of diversification is quite important to our clients.
Speaker #4: And that is fundamental to being on platforms, being recognized globally. We've been David Rubenstein and the team have been going to the Middle East since the '90s.
Speaker #4: We were the first to have a franchise in Japan. We stayed in Japan for 25 years. We're the only firm that didn't leave. So it's this commitment geographically and the brand recognition, which is a cornerstone of an ability to deliver solutions.
Speaker #4: Obviously, performance is a key driver here. And the way the teams have thought about driving these solutions is about creating diversification. And so the breadth of diversification is quite important to our clients.
Speaker #4: And then, of course, there's the client engagement. Working with our partners all over the world, getting very close to the advisors. I personally spend time with advisors.
Harvey Schwartz: And then, of course, there's the client engagement, working with our partners all over the world, getting very close to the advisors. I personally spend time with advisors. It's quite critical for us to understand their needs. We're not in the business of telling everybody that in every single person's portfolio, they should have private markets. But where it makes sense, we want to make sure that we're providing the most value add in terms of a series of options with diversification that can be durable and deliver over the long term. So we're very, very focused on that. But I will say the team's done a remarkable job of adding resources. We've done things that have been received very well by the market, like the Oracle Red Bull partnership. So there's been a multi-pronged investment here, which has really driven this. And we think there's very, very long-term upside.
Harvey Schwartz: And then, of course, there's the client engagement, working with our partners all over the world, getting very close to the advisors. I personally spend time with advisors. It's quite critical for us to understand their needs. We're not in the business of telling everybody that in every single person's portfolio, they should have private markets. But where it makes sense, we want to make sure that we're providing the most value add in terms of a series of options with diversification that can be durable and deliver over the long term. So we're very, very focused on that. But I will say the team's done a remarkable job of adding resources. We've done things that have been received very well by the market, like the Oracle Red Bull partnership. So there's been a multi-pronged investment here, which has really driven this. And we think there's very, very long-term upside.
Speaker #4: It's quite critical for us to understand their needs. We're not in the business of telling everybody that in every single person's portfolio they should have private markets, but we're a make-sense.
Speaker #4: We want to make sure that we're providing the most value-add in terms of a series of options with diversification that can be durable and delivered over the long term.
Speaker #4: So we're very, very focused on that. But I will say the team's done a remarkable job of adding resources. We've done things that have been received very well by the market, like the Oracle Red Bull partnership.
Speaker #4: So there's been a multi-pronged investment here, which is really driven this. And we think there's very, very long-term upside. And we're enthusiastic to see what happens ultimately in the retirement channel.
Harvey Schwartz: We're enthusiastic to see what happens ultimately in the retirement channel. So again, long-term driver, but we're being very disciplined about it.
Harvey Schwartz: We're enthusiastic to see what happens ultimately in the retirement channel. So again, long-term driver, but we're being very disciplined about it.
Speaker #4: So again, long-term driver, but we're being very disciplined about
Speaker #4: it. Great.
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): Great. Thanks, Harvey.
Brian McKenna: Great. Thanks, Harvey.
Speaker #7: Thanks, Harvey.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Buddish, with Barclays. Your line is open. Our next question comes from Ben.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Budish with Barclays. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ben Budish with Barclays. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: open. Hey, good morning, and thank you for
[Analyst] (Barclays): Hey. Good morning, and thank you for taking the question. Harvey, most of the forward-looking questions, I appreciate your saving for the investor update, but I'll ask maybe a two-parter anyway. Specifically for 2026, I'm just curious if you could talk about what you're expecting in terms of management fee growth. I think this year should be a bit of a funky year with some large flagships coming to market later in the year, realizations picking up, which could be a headwind to fee-earning AUM in the private equity segment. So probably this year, not quite as indicative, at least from a management fee growth perspective of what I suspect you're going to talk about. Curious if you can give any color there. And if you can't, maybe just one other question on the realization side.
Ben Budish: Hey. Good morning, and thank you for taking the question. Harvey, most of the forward-looking questions, I appreciate your saving for the investor update, but I'll ask maybe a two-parter anyway. Specifically for 2026, I'm just curious if you could talk about what you're expecting in terms of management fee growth. I think this year should be a bit of a funky year with some large flagships coming to market later in the year, realizations picking up, which could be a headwind to fee-earning AUM in the private equity segment. So probably this year, not quite as indicative, at least from a management fee growth perspective of what I suspect you're going to talk about. Curious if you can give any color there. And if you can't, maybe just one other question on the realization side.
Speaker #8: The forward-looking questions—I appreciate you taking the question. Harvey, most of them are for the investor update, but I'll ask maybe a two-parter anyway. Specifically for 2026, I'm just curious if you could talk about what you're expecting in terms of management fee growth.
Speaker #8: I think this year should be a bit of a funky year with some large flagships coming to market later in the year, realizations picking up, which could be a headwind to fear in the AUM in the private equity segment.
Speaker #8: And so probably this year, not quite as indicative, at least from a management fee growth perspective of what I suspect you're going to talk about.
Speaker #8: So curious if you can give any color there. And if you can't, maybe just one other question on the realization side. Given where CP7 and 8 are I think there's an expectation we should see realizations before realized performance revenues come in.
[Analyst] (Barclays): Given where CP7 and 8 are, I think there's an expectation we should see realizations before really performance revenues come in. Just curious how we might think about that trajectory as well over the course of this year? Thank you.
Ben Budish: Given where CP7 and 8 are, I think there's an expectation we should see realizations before really performance revenues come in. Just curious how we might think about that trajectory as well over the course of this year? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Just curious how we might think about that trajectory as well over the course of this year. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah, again, so I don't want to disappoint you, but we're going to go on such a level of detail on this on the '26 that I think giving you a fuller picture makes a lot more sense in terms of the strategy and how everything's coming together.
Harvey Schwartz: Yeah. Again, so I don't want to disappoint you, but we're going to go in such a level of detail on this on the 2026 that I think giving you a fuller picture makes a lot more sense in terms of the strategy and how everything's coming together. Again, the only thing I'll go back to on realizations is how proud we are of our team. A couple of years ago, the global private equity leadership really decided that our clients wanted monetizations. They took advantage of a very attractive market environment. It was a very deliberate strategic decision across the platform. As I said before, it was global. We were a market leader. We monetized more IPO assets really than anybody in the world. And so we're quite proud of what they've done. But this is strategically how they position the platform.
Harvey Schwartz: Yeah. Again, so I don't want to disappoint you, but we're going to go in such a level of detail on this on the 2026 that I think giving you a fuller picture makes a lot more sense in terms of the strategy and how everything's coming together. Again, the only thing I'll go back to on realizations is how proud we are of our team. A couple of years ago, the global private equity leadership really decided that our clients wanted monetizations. They took advantage of a very attractive market environment. It was a very deliberate strategic decision across the platform. As I said before, it was global. We were a market leader. We monetized more IPO assets really than anybody in the world. And so we're quite proud of what they've done. But this is strategically how they position the platform.
Speaker #4: Again, the only thing I'll go back to on realizations is how proud we are of our team. A couple of the global private equity leadership really decided years ago, that our clients wanted monetizations they took advantage of a very attractive market environment that was a very deliberate strategic decision across the platform.
Speaker #4: As I said before, it was global. We were a market leader. We monetized more IPO assets really than anybody in the world. And so we're quite proud of what they've done.
Speaker #4: But this is strategically how they position the platform. But we'll go into a whole host of detail on the '26, but so I apologize for leaving you a little bit short on the kind of near-term questions.
Harvey Schwartz: But we'll go into a whole host of detail on the 2026. So I apologize for leaving you a little bit short on the kind of near-term questions.
Harvey Schwartz: But we'll go into a whole host of detail on the 2026. So I apologize for leaving you a little bit short on the kind of near-term questions.
Speaker #8: All right. No worries. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Autonomous Research): All right. No worries. Thank you.
Patrick Davitt: All right. No worries. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Worthington, with JPMorgan. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So, 2025 was a good environment for the CLO market. How is 2026 looking for Carlyle here for CLOs, sort of inside and outside the U.S.?
[Analyst] (Wolfe Research): Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So 2025 was a good environment for the CLO market. How is 2026 looking for Carlyle here for CLOs sort of inside and outside the US? And does the software and AI angst sort of impact the outlook here? And then along the same lines, you set up a fund to help with the equity pieces. To what extent are you utilizing that equity, and how much dry powder does that fund still have?
Steven Chubak: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So 2025 was a good environment for the CLO market. How is 2026 looking for Carlyle here for CLOs sort of inside and outside the US? And does the software and AI angst sort of impact the outlook here? And then along the same lines, you set up a fund to help with the equity pieces. To what extent are you utilizing that equity, and how much dry powder does that fund still have?
Speaker #6: And does the software and AI angst sort of impact the outlook here? And then along the same lines, you set up a pieces. To what extent are you utilizing that equity?
Speaker #6: And how much dry powder does that fund still have?
Speaker #4: I'll let Justin get into the details of the CLO business. What I would say on the AI impact of things—again, this is more of a broad market, environmental, atmospheric, I think.
Harvey Schwartz: I'll let Justin get into the details of the CLO business. What I would say on the AI impact of things, again, this is more of a broad market, environmental, atmospheric, I think. I mean, again, we've seen the fragility in the markets. I think they're really just trying to process what the implication is across markets and industries. But specifically on the CLO business, I'll turn it over to Justin in terms of how we feel about the marketplace and environment.
Harvey Schwartz: I'll let Justin get into the details of the CLO business. What I would say on the AI impact of things, again, this is more of a broad market, environmental, atmospheric, I think. I mean, again, we've seen the fragility in the markets. I think they're really just trying to process what the implication is across markets and industries. But specifically on the CLO business, I'll turn it over to Justin in terms of how we feel about the marketplace and environment.
Speaker #4: I mean, again, we've seen the fragility in the markets. I think implication is, across markets, they're really just trying to process what the— and industries.
Speaker #4: But specifically on the CLO business, I'll turn it over to Justin in terms of how we feel about the marketplace and environment.
Speaker #8: Yeah. We've had an incredible two years in our CLO business in terms of issuing new deals, but also resetting deals and extending the life of those deals.
Justin Pluff: Yeah. We've had an incredible two years in our CLO business in terms of issuing new deals, but also resetting deals and extending the life of those deals. So the team has been incredibly active in that regard. And that makes our business just more durable, right, over time. Now, the year has started off in CLOs constructive, I'd say. Spreads are tight on both sides of the arbitrage. I think we're going to have another active year. I don't know if it'll be the record year of the last two years, but our team is, in my view, the best in the business. If there is activity in the CLO market, we will be participating. And the business is really well-positioned now that we've extended the life of so many deals over the last two years.
Justin Plouffe: Yeah. We've had an incredible two years in our CLO business in terms of issuing new deals, but also resetting deals and extending the life of those deals. So the team has been incredibly active in that regard. And that makes our business just more durable, right, over time. Now, the year has started off in CLOs constructive, I'd say. Spreads are tight on both sides of the arbitrage. I think we're going to have another active year. I don't know if it'll be the record year of the last two years, but our team is, in my view, the best in the business. If there is activity in the CLO market, we will be participating. And the business is really well-positioned now that we've extended the life of so many deals over the last two years.
Speaker #8: So the team has been incredibly active in that regard. And that makes our business just more durable, right, over time. Now, the year has started off in CLOs constructive, I'd say, spreads are tight on both sides of the arbitrage.
Speaker #8: I think we're going to have another active year. I don't know if it'll be the record year of the last two years, but our team is, in my view, the best in the business.
Speaker #8: If there is activity in the CLO market, we will be participating. And the business has really well positioned now that we've extended the life of so many deals over the last two years.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Cyprus, with Morgan Stanley. Your line is
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Cyprys with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
Speaker #1: open. Great.
[Analyst] (Barclays): Great. Thank you. Just a question on the credit business.
Ben Budish: Great. Thank you. Just a question on the credit business.
Speaker #8: Thank you. Just a question on the credit business. Hi, continues to—hey, good—
Speaker #4: Michael.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, Michael.
Harvey Schwartz: Hey, Michael.
[Analyst] (Barclays): Hey. Good morning. Question on the credit business, continues to put up meaningful growth across the overall credit platform. Just curious if you could elaborate a bit on some of the steps you're taking to enhance originations, expand your sourcing funnel, and what actions might you look to take here in 2026?
Ben Budish: Hey. Good morning. Question on the credit business, continues to put up meaningful growth across the overall credit platform. Just curious if you could elaborate a bit on some of the steps you're taking to enhance originations, expand your sourcing funnel, and what actions might you look to take here in 2026?
Speaker #8: morning. Question on the credit business continues to put out meaningful growth across the overall credit platform. Just curious if you could elaborate a bit on some of the steps you're taking to enhance originations, expand your sourcing funnel, and what actions might you look to take here in
Speaker #8: '26. Yeah.
Justin Pluff: Yeah. We've done a number of things to enhance originations, really not just last year, but over the past five years under Mark Jenkins' leadership. I mean, recently, just in the past year, we did hire Alex Chi from Goldman Sachs to come in. Fantastic track record, 30 years at Goldman in that business. We hired Mike Meagher, who's got decades of experience in origination. We've actually built out our origination team even beyond that just in the last few months. And that's just in direct lending alone. So we've got a fantastic origination engine. We did the most originations we've ever done in credit in the past years in the past year in 2025 with almost $30 billion of originations. So that engine is hitting on all cylinders. And as I said, it's a broad-based, durable business. It crosses many, many different parts of the private credit universe.
Justin Plouffe: Yeah. We've done a number of things to enhance originations, really not just last year, but over the past five years under Mark Jenkins' leadership. I mean, recently, just in the past year, we did hire Alex Chi from Goldman Sachs to come in. Fantastic track record, 30 years at Goldman in that business. We hired Mike Meagher, who's got decades of experience in origination. We've actually built out our origination team even beyond that just in the last few months. And that's just in direct lending alone. So we've got a fantastic origination engine. We did the most originations we've ever done in credit in the past years in the past year in 2025 with almost $30 billion of originations. So that engine is hitting on all cylinders. And as I said, it's a broad-based, durable business. It crosses many, many different parts of the private credit universe.
Speaker #4: We've done a number of things to enhance originations. Really, not just last year, but over the past five years under Mark Jenkins' leadership. I mean, recently, just in the past year, we did hire Alex Qi from Goldman Sachs to come in.
Speaker #4: Fantastic track record—30 years at Goldman in that business. We hired Mike Mayer, who's got decades of experience in origination. We've actually built out our origination team even beyond that, just in the last few months.
Speaker #4: And that's just in direct lending alone. So we've got a fantastic origination engine. We did the most originations we've ever done in credit in the past years.
Speaker #4: And in the past year in 2025 with almost $30 billion of originations. So that engine is hitting on all cylinders. And as I said, it's a broad-based, durable business.
Speaker #4: It crosses many, many different parts of the private credit universe. And so no matter where the market goes, we have the strategy, we have a team that we think is ready to take advantage of it.
Justin Pluff: No matter where the market goes, we have a strategy. We have a team that we think is ready to take advantage of it. We feel great going into 2026.
Justin Plouffe: No matter where the market goes, we have a strategy. We have a team that we think is ready to take advantage of it. We feel great going into 2026.
Speaker #4: So we feel great going into 2026.
Speaker #8: Any steps you might take here in '26 around expanding sourcing from here, or is it all done enhancing the—
[Analyst] (Barclays): Any steps you might take here in 2026 around expanding sourcing from here, or is it all done enhancing the origination machine?
Ben Budish: Any steps you might take here in 2026 around expanding sourcing from here, or is it all done enhancing the origination machine?
Speaker #8: origination machine? It's
Harvey Schwartz: It's mostly done, but we'll get more into the strategy on the 2026 in terms of how we're positioning because we do think we have some unique levers we can pull. But in terms of the resource buildout, Justin and the team have done a great job in the past year.
Harvey Schwartz: It's mostly done, but we'll get more into the strategy on the 2026 in terms of how we're positioning because we do think we have some unique levers we can pull. But in terms of the resource buildout, Justin and the team have done a great job in the past year.
Speaker #4: mostly done, but we'll give more into the strategy on the '26 in terms of how we're positioning. Because we do think we have some unique levers we can pull.
Speaker #4: But in terms of the resource build-out, Justin and the team have done a great job in the past year.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Daniel Harris for closing remarks.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Daniel Harris for closing remarks.
Speaker #1: I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Daniel Harris for closing remarks.
Speaker #4: Thank you, everyone, for your time today. I know it's been a very busy week. We look forward to seeing all of you on February 26th for the shareholder update.
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): Thanks, everyone, for your time today. I know it's been a very busy week. We look forward to seeing all of you on 26 February for the shareholder update. And if you have any questions following today's call, feel free to follow up with investor relations. Have a great weekend.
Brian McKenna: Thanks, everyone, for your time today. I know it's been a very busy week. We look forward to seeing all of you on 26 February for the shareholder update. And if you have any questions following today's call, feel free to follow up with investor relations. Have a great weekend.
Speaker #4: And if you have any questions following today's call, feel free to follow up with investor relations. Have a great weekend.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Good day.
Harvey Schwartz: Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Good day.
