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Q4 2025 Bullish Global Earnings Call
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David Bonanno: Good morning and welcome to our Q4 earnings call. I'm Michael Fedele, Vice President of Finance, and I'm joined on today's call by our Chief Executive Officer Thomas Farley, Chief Financial Officer David Bonanno, and Director of Corporate Development Liam Foley. This call will contain forward-looking statements, including those relating to our expected performance and business opportunities. These statements are not assurances of future performance. They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially. For more details on these risks, please refer to today's earnings press release and our SEC filings, including our prospectus dated 12 August 2025. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. This call will also include a discussion of non-IFRS financial measures.
David Bonanno: Good morning and welcome to our Q4 earnings call. I'm Michael Fedele, Vice President of Finance, and I'm joined on today's call by our Chief Executive Officer Thomas Farley, Chief Financial Officer David Bonanno, and Director of Corporate Development Liam Foley. This call will contain forward-looking statements, including those relating to our expected performance and business opportunities. These statements are not assurances of future performance. They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our actual results could differ materially. For more details on these risks, please refer to today's earnings press release and our SEC filings, including our prospectus dated 12 August 2025. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. This call will also include a discussion of non-IFRS financial measures.
Speaker #2: quarter earnings call. I'm Michael Fedele, Vice President of Finance, and I'm joined on today's call by our Chief Executive Officer, Tom David Bonanno, and Director of Foley.
Speaker #2: This call will contain forward-looking statements, including those relating to business opportunities. These refer to our expected performance and future performance. They are subject to risks and uncertainties, and our statements are not assurances of results materially.
Speaker #2: For more details on these risks, please refer to today's earnings press release and our SEC filings, including our perspectives dated August 12th, 2025. We undertake no obligation to update or revise statements.
Speaker #2: For more details on these risks, please refer to today's earnings press release and our SEC filings, including our perspectives dated August 12th, 2025. We undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking This call will also include a discussion of non-IFRS financial measures.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of these metrics to the most directly comparable IFRS metrics can and presentation, which also contain additional information regarding non-IFRS financial measures and key performance indicators.
David Bonanno: A reconciliation of these metrics to the most directly comparable IFRS metrics can be found in our earnings press release and presentation, which also contain additional information regarding non-IFRS financial measures and key performance indicators. I'll now turn the call over to Tom.
David Bonanno: A reconciliation of these metrics to the most directly comparable IFRS metrics can be found in our earnings press release and presentation, which also contain additional information regarding non-IFRS financial measures and key performance indicators. I'll now turn the call over to Tom.
Speaker #2: I'll now turn the call over to
Speaker #2: Tom. Thanks, Michael.
Thomas Farley: Thanks, Michael. Thanks, everyone, for joining our call. Good morning. It is great to be with you. I'm Tom Farley, Chairman and CEO of Bullish. We have a lot to cover today. We closed 2025 with strong momentum and have continued to execute on the vision we laid out during our IPO process and in the subsequent quarters. We focus on serving institutions, and we are winning a wave of institutional business in the US and globally. The next wave of digital assets growth is taking shape in the form of tokenization of real-world assets and the institutional adoption of blockchain technology. I believe this will be a huge 20-year-long institutional flood powered by Bullish's purpose-built offerings. In 2025, we executed on our core objectives. We captured the first wave of traditional finance institutions flowing into the digital assets space.
Thomas Farley: Thanks, Michael. Thanks, everyone, for joining our call. Good morning. It is great to be with you. I'm Tom Farley, Chairman and CEO of Bullish. We have a lot to cover today. We closed 2025 with strong momentum and have continued to execute on the vision we laid out during our IPO process and in the subsequent quarters. We focus on serving institutions, and we are winning a wave of institutional business in the US and globally. The next wave of digital assets growth is taking shape in the form of tokenization of real-world assets and the institutional adoption of blockchain technology. I believe this will be a huge 20-year-long institutional flood powered by Bullish's purpose-built offerings. In 2025, we executed on our core objectives. We captured the first wave of traditional finance institutions flowing into the digital assets space.
Speaker #3: Thanks, everyone, for joining our call, and good morning. It is great to be with you. I'm Tom Farley, Chairman and CEO of Bullish. We have a lot to cover today.
Speaker #3: We and have continued to execute on the vision closed 2025 with strong momentum we laid out during our IPO process and in the subsequent quarters.
Speaker #3: We focus on serving institutions, and we are winning a wave of institutional business in the US and globally. The next wave of digital assets growth is taking shape in the form of tokenization of real-world assets, and the institutional adoption of blockchain technology.
Speaker #3: I believe this will be a huge 20-year-long institutional flood powered by Bullish's purpose-built offerings. In 2025, we executed on our core objectives: we captured the first wave of traditional finance institutions flowing into the digital assets space.
Speaker #3: We scaled our liquidity services into an indispensable tokenization offering for issuers of stablecoins, and other digital assets. We launched options trading in Q4 and scaled position.
Thomas Farley: We scaled our liquidity services into an indispensable tokenization offering for issuers of stablecoins and other digital assets. We launched options trading in Q4 and scaled rapidly in terms of our market position. We locked down our Tier 1 licenses, including the New York BitLicense, MiCA in Europe, and additional authorizations from Hong Kong's SFC and Germany's BaFin. We achieved a key milestone of entering the public markets. We executed on a strong Q4 financially as well. We earned record SS&O revenue of $54.6 million, an increase of 284% year-over-year, and our adjusted EBITDA was $44.5 million, an increase of 55% from the prior quarter and 181% from the same period in the preceding year. While 2025 was a great year, I'm even more excited for 2026.
Thomas Farley: We scaled our liquidity services into an indispensable tokenization offering for issuers of stablecoins and other digital assets. We launched options trading in Q4 and scaled rapidly in terms of our market position. We locked down our Tier 1 licenses, including the New York BitLicense, MiCA in Europe, and additional authorizations from Hong Kong's SFC and Germany's BaFin. We achieved a key milestone of entering the public markets. We executed on a strong Q4 financially as well. We earned record SS&O revenue of $54.6 million, an increase of 284% year-over-year, and our adjusted EBITDA was $44.5 million, an increase of 55% from the prior quarter and 181% from the same period in the preceding year. While 2025 was a great year, I'm even more excited for 2026.
Speaker #3: We locked down rapidly in terms of our market our Tier 1 licenses, including the New York BIT license, MiCA in Europe, and additional authorizations from Hong Kong's SFC and Germany's BaFin.
Speaker #3: And we achieved a key milestone of entering the public markets. We executed on a strong fourth quarter financial as well. We earned record SS&O revenue of $54.6 million, an increase of 284% year-over-year, and our adjusted million, an increase of EBITDA was $44.5 55% from the prior quarter, and $181% from the same period in the preceding year.
Speaker #3: While 2025 was a great year, I'm even more excited for 2026. For several years now, Bullish has intentionally positioned ourselves at the intersection of three strong ongoing trends that are driving digital assets evolution: Trend 1 is that increasing regulatory clarity is requiring infrastructure businesses like Bullish and their customers to operate in a compliant and responsible fashion.
Thomas Farley: For several years now, Bullish has intentionally positioned ourselves at the intersection of three strong ongoing trends that are driving digital assets evolution. Trend 1 is that increasing regulatory clarity is requiring infrastructure businesses like Bullish and their customers to operate in a compliant and responsible fashion. Trend 2 is that the number of traditional finance institutions operating in digital assets is increasing dramatically. Trend 3 is that tokenization use cases are expanding exponentially, including for major asset classes on the back of the successful tokenization of the US dollar via stablecoins. These trends happen sequentially, and now they're happening all at once, with each trend reinforcing the momentum of the others. We're hitting this inflection point here in 2026. In 2026, we are laser-focused on our top three priorities that position us at the intersection of these trends.
Thomas Farley: For several years now, Bullish has intentionally positioned ourselves at the intersection of three strong ongoing trends that are driving digital assets evolution. Trend 1 is that increasing regulatory clarity is requiring infrastructure businesses like Bullish and their customers to operate in a compliant and responsible fashion. Trend 2 is that the number of traditional finance institutions operating in digital assets is increasing dramatically. Trend 3 is that tokenization use cases are expanding exponentially, including for major asset classes on the back of the successful tokenization of the US dollar via stablecoins. These trends happen sequentially, and now they're happening all at once, with each trend reinforcing the momentum of the others. We're hitting this inflection point here in 2026. In 2026, we are laser-focused on our top three priorities that position us at the intersection of these trends.
Speaker #3: Trend 2 is that the number of traditional finance institutions operating in digital assets is increasing dramatically, and Trend 3 is that tokenization use cases are expanding exponentially, including for major asset classes on the back of the successful tokenization of the US dollar via stablecoins.
Speaker #3: These trends happen sequentially, and now they're happening all at once with each trend reinforcing the momentum of the others. We're hitting this inflection point here in 2026.
Speaker #3: In 2026, we are laser-focused on our top three priorities that position us at the intersection First, we will continue our of these trends. exchange, prioritizing growth in the exceptional growth in our regulated institutional derivatives market, as well as building our US presence for all products.
Thomas Farley: First, we will continue our exceptional growth in our exchange, prioritizing growth in the regulated institutional derivatives market as well as building our US presence for all products. Second, we will further establish ourselves as a clear market leader in successful tokenization of real-world assets by scaling our liquidity services offering and widening our tokenization services and global regulatory footprint to meet the market's needs. Third, we will accelerate our already market-leading positions in the digital assets indices and insights spaces. While the last four months have seen digital asset prices drop precipitously, our business continues to grow. We were built to take advantage of opportunities created by volatility in bear markets as well. In fact, we believe that this current malaise will present promising opportunities to grow Bullish organically as well as through M&A.
Thomas Farley: First, we will continue our exceptional growth in our exchange, prioritizing growth in the regulated institutional derivatives market as well as building our US presence for all products. Second, we will further establish ourselves as a clear market leader in successful tokenization of real-world assets by scaling our liquidity services offering and widening our tokenization services and global regulatory footprint to meet the market's needs. Third, we will accelerate our already market-leading positions in the digital assets indices and insights spaces. While the last four months have seen digital asset prices drop precipitously, our business continues to grow. We were built to take advantage of opportunities created by volatility in bear markets as well. In fact, we believe that this current malaise will present promising opportunities to grow Bullish organically as well as through M&A.
Speaker #3: Second, we will further establish ourselves as a clear market leader in successful tokenization of real-world assets by scaling our liquidity services offering and widening our tokenization services and global regulatory footprint to meet the market's needs.
Speaker #3: And third, we will accelerate our already market-leading position in the digital assets indices and insight spaces. While the last four months have seen digital asset prices drop precipitously, our business continues to grow.
Speaker #3: And we were built to take advantage of opportunities created by, well. In fact, we believe that this current malaise will present promising opportunities to grow Bullish organically, as well as through M&A.
Speaker #3: We are more convicted than ever that our institutional positioning is the right approach at the right time. The next big leg of digital assets growth will be driven by institutional adoption.
Thomas Farley: We are more convicted than ever that our institutional positioning is the right approach at the right time. The next big leg of digital assets growth will be driven by institutional adoption. During tough times like these, our strong balance sheet and solid reputation positions us to bring on institutional clients that other less reputable or less capitalized firms simply cannot. In summary, we expect that Bullish can and will thrive in 2026 despite a rough macro beginning to the year for our industry. Shifting to the business update, in the Q4 and sequentially over each month of 2025, we hit all-time highs in monthly active customers and set records for total customer funds on platform, and open interest for PERPS and options. The growth of active trading clients on our platform is accelerating around the world.
Thomas Farley: We are more convicted than ever that our institutional positioning is the right approach at the right time. The next big leg of digital assets growth will be driven by institutional adoption. During tough times like these, our strong balance sheet and solid reputation positions us to bring on institutional clients that other less reputable or less capitalized firms simply cannot. In summary, we expect that Bullish can and will thrive in 2026 despite a rough macro beginning to the year for our industry. Shifting to the business update, in the Q4 and sequentially over each month of 2025, we hit all-time highs in monthly active customers and set records for total customer funds on platform, and open interest for PERPS and options. The growth of active trading clients on our platform is accelerating around the world.
Speaker #3: During tough times like these, our strong balance sheet and solid reputation positions us to bring on institutional clients that other less reputable or less capitalized firms simply cannot.
Speaker #3: In summary, we expect that Bullish can and will thrive in 2026, despite a rough macro beginning to the year for our industry. Shifting to the business update, in the fourth quarter, and sequentially over each month of 2025, we hit all-time highs in monthly active customers and set records for total customer funds on platform and open interest for perps and options.
Speaker #3: The growth of active trading clients on our platform is accelerating around the world, in Europe, Asia, and the United States. We are seeing a wave of institutions onboarding that include notable broker-dealers, divisions of commercial banks, and the world's largest digital assets electronic communications network, for example, among others.
Thomas Farley: In Europe, Asia, and the United States, we are seeing a wave of institutions onboarding that include notable broker-dealers, divisions of commercial banks, and the world's largest digital assets electronic communications network, for example, among others. The launch of options has attracted a whole new set of institutional clients onto our platform. These new customers are now initiating trades across our spot and PERPs products as well. Honing in on the options launch, we went live on 29 October, and the uptake in volumes and open interest has been remarkable over just about three months. By the end of the quarter, we were over $2 billion in open interest. Earlier this year, we hit a high of more than $4 billion of open interest, as well as reaching a high of 29% volume market share. We are now the clear number two Bitcoin options platform by open interest globally.
Thomas Farley: In Europe, Asia, and the United States, we are seeing a wave of institutions onboarding that include notable broker-dealers, divisions of commercial banks, and the world's largest digital assets electronic communications network, for example, among others. The launch of options has attracted a whole new set of institutional clients onto our platform. These new customers are now initiating trades across our spot and PERPs products as well. Honing in on the options launch, we went live on 29 October, and the uptake in volumes and open interest has been remarkable over just about three months. By the end of the quarter, we were over $2 billion in open interest. Earlier this year, we hit a high of more than $4 billion of open interest, as well as reaching a high of 29% volume market share. We are now the clear number two Bitcoin options platform by open interest globally.
Speaker #3: The launch of options has attracted a whole new set of institutional clients customers are now initiating trades across onto our platform. our spot and perps products as These new well.
Speaker #3: Honing in on the options launch, we went live on October 29th. And the uptake in volumes and open interest has been remarkable over just about three months.
Speaker #3: By the end of the quarter, we were over $2 billion in open interest. And earlier this year, we hit a high of interest, as well as reaching a high of more than $4 billion of open $29% volume market share.
Speaker #3: We are now the clear number two Bitcoin options platform by open interest globally. The launch phase of our option strategy is complete. We are now focused on continuing to gain share and aspire to be the options trading market leader.
Thomas Farley: The launch phase of our options strategy is complete. We are now focused on continuing to gain share and aspire to be the options trading market leader. Our tight spreads and one global order book continue to resonate with clients and set us apart from the competition. Our singular order book allows our institutional clients to cross-margin their spot, futures, and options positions in real time and also to access deep liquidity. We have reacted to client demand and are proud of the progress we have made in the short time since launching. We're also continuing to add to our regulatory toolkit. We're now registered to act as a Transfer Agent, and we're actively exploring other licenses, including DCO, DCM, Broker-Dealer, and ATS licenses in the United States to help enhance our positioning in the multi-year tokenization megatrend.
Thomas Farley: The launch phase of our options strategy is complete. We are now focused on continuing to gain share and aspire to be the options trading market leader. Our tight spreads and one global order book continue to resonate with clients and set us apart from the competition. Our singular order book allows our institutional clients to cross-margin their spot, futures, and options positions in real time and also to access deep liquidity. We have reacted to client demand and are proud of the progress we have made in the short time since launching. We're also continuing to add to our regulatory toolkit. We're now registered to act as a Transfer Agent, and we're actively exploring other licenses, including DCO, DCM, Broker-Dealer, and ATS licenses in the United States to help enhance our positioning in the multi-year tokenization megatrend.
Speaker #3: Our tight spreads and one global order book continue to resonate with clients and set us apart from the competition. Our singular order book allows our institutional clients to cross-margin their spot, futures, and options positions in real time, and also to access deep liquidity.
Speaker #3: We have reacted to client demand and are proud of the progress we have made in the short time since launching. We're also continuing to add to our regulatory toolkit.
Speaker #3: We're now registered to act as a transfer agent. And we're actively exploring other licenses, including DCO, DCM, broker-dealer, and ATS licenses in the United States.
Speaker #3: To help enhance our positioning in the multi-year tokenization megatrend, the ability to gain broad regulatory access throughout the world is a feature of our business model that we believe is rare in our industry and has only become more important over time.
Thomas Farley: The ability to gain broad regulatory access throughout the world is a feature of our business model that we believe is rare in our industry and is only becoming more important over time. We intend to list tokenized securities here in 2026, and we're working with the market and regulators to successfully execute on this objective. We look forward to keeping everyone updated on progress throughout the year. Speaking of tokenization, our liquidity services business continues to find new use cases and deliver exceptional value to our partners. We believe the service is tailor-made for tokenization, and we are increasingly seeing demand from asset issuers tokenizing real-world assets. To take a step back, imagine you're a tokenized asset issuer. To launch that token, you'd need to design the token, write the smart contract code, possibly perform KYC and AML, and hold a whitelist, and finally, tabulate ownership.
Thomas Farley: The ability to gain broad regulatory access throughout the world is a feature of our business model that we believe is rare in our industry and is only becoming more important over time. We intend to list tokenized securities here in 2026, and we're working with the market and regulators to successfully execute on this objective. We look forward to keeping everyone updated on progress throughout the year. Speaking of tokenization, our liquidity services business continues to find new use cases and deliver exceptional value to our partners. We believe the service is tailor-made for tokenization, and we are increasingly seeing demand from asset issuers tokenizing real-world assets. To take a step back, imagine you're a tokenized asset issuer. To launch that token, you'd need to design the token, write the smart contract code, possibly perform KYC and AML, and hold a whitelist, and finally, tabulate ownership.
Speaker #3: We intend to list tokenized securities here in 2026, and we're working with the market and objective. We look forward to keeping everyone updated on progress throughout the year.
Speaker #3: Speaking of tokenization, our liquidity services business regulators to successfully execute on this partners. We believe the service is tailor-made for tokenization. And we are increasingly seeing demand from asset issuers, tokenizing real-world back, imagine you're a tokenized launch that token, you'd need to design asset issuer.
Speaker #3: the token, write the smart contract code, possibly perform KYC and AML, and hold a whitelist and finally tabulate To ownership. The good news is that you've tokenized your asset.
Thomas Farley: The good news is that you've tokenized your asset. The bad news is that that was the easy part. For your token to truly be a success, there are several value-added services that you still require. First, you must get the token listed. The listing is typically on regulated and unregulated venues. Second, you must ensure a two-sided marketplace with ample liquidity to allow for efficient trading. Third, you must ensure that the token is being marketed properly and is amply visible to the broader market. High-caliber assets also tend to have research reports. Research analysts, not dissimilar from many of our friends here on this call, help investors better understand the asset, its value proposition, and its potential. Bullish is now powering our partners' growth with the listing, liquidity, marketing, and now research that they need to maximize their success.
Thomas Farley: The good news is that you've tokenized your asset. The bad news is that that was the easy part. For your token to truly be a success, there are several value-added services that you still require. First, you must get the token listed. The listing is typically on regulated and unregulated venues. Second, you must ensure a two-sided marketplace with ample liquidity to allow for efficient trading. Third, you must ensure that the token is being marketed properly and is amply visible to the broader market. High-caliber assets also tend to have research reports. Research analysts, not dissimilar from many of our friends here on this call, help investors better understand the asset, its value proposition, and its potential. Bullish is now powering our partners' growth with the listing, liquidity, marketing, and now research that they need to maximize their success.
Speaker #3: The bad news is that that was the easy a success, there are several value-added services that you still require. First, part. you must get the token listed.
Speaker #3: For your token to truly be The listing is typically on regulated and unregulated venues. Second, you must ensure a two-sided marketplace with ample liquidity to allow for Third, you must ensure that the token is being efficient trading.
Speaker #3: amply visible to the broader marketed properly and is market. High-caliber assets also tend to have research reports. Research analysts, not dissimilar from many of our friends here on this call, help investors better understand the asset.
Speaker #3: Its value proposition and its potential. Bullish is now powering our partners' growth with the listing, liquidity, marketing, and now research that they need to maximize their success.
Speaker #3: These value-added services are required both for tokenization of real-world assets such as dollars in the form of stablecoins as well as tokenization of other financial market products.
Thomas Farley: These value-added services are required both for tokenization of real-world assets such as dollars in the form of stablecoins, as well as tokenization of other financial market products. We remain exceptionally pleased with the growth of liquidity services for all of these types of customers. In Q4, we added IOTA, VeChain, Paxos, and Midnight. We've also added Canton, the token for the real-world asset-focused chain, and earlier this year, USDAI, the first decentralized credit protocol that connects stablecoin liquidity directly to real-world compute cash flows. Looking ahead, our pipeline remains strong. We continue with a rapid new listing pace, expecting to list 5 new partner assets, including Fidelity's new stablecoin, in this week alone.
Thomas Farley: These value-added services are required both for tokenization of real-world assets such as dollars in the form of stablecoins, as well as tokenization of other financial market products. We remain exceptionally pleased with the growth of liquidity services for all of these types of customers. In Q4, we added IOTA, VeChain, Paxos, and Midnight. We've also added Canton, the token for the real-world asset-focused chain, and earlier this year, USDAI, the first decentralized credit protocol that connects stablecoin liquidity directly to real-world compute cash flows. Looking ahead, our pipeline remains strong. We continue with a rapid new listing pace, expecting to list 5 new partner assets, including Fidelity's new stablecoin, in this week alone.
Speaker #3: We remain exceptionally pleased with the growth of liquidity services for all of these types of customers. In Q4, we added IOTA, VeChain, Paxos, and Midnight.
Speaker #3: We've also added Canton. The token for the real-world asset-focused chain. And earlier this year, USDAI, the first decentralized credit protocol, that connects stablecoin liquidity directly to real-world compute cash flows.
Speaker #3: ahead, our pipeline Looking remains strong. We continue with a rapid new listing pace, expecting to list five new partner assets, including Fidelity's new stablecoin, in this week alone.
Speaker #3: When major financial institutions, stablecoin issuers, and other digital asset clients choose a partner for liquidity services, they gravitate to Bullish because we are the only solution of its kind in the market offering listing, liquidity, marketing, and research.
Thomas Farley: When major financial institutions, stablecoin issuers, and other digital asset clients choose a partner for liquidity services, they gravitate to Bullish because we are the only solution of its kind in the market offering, listing, liquidity, marketing, and research. Shifting gears to our information services business, CoinDesk Indices completed a breakout year. We served as benchmark data provider for 30 different single-token ETFs launched in 2025 and were especially dominant in the Q4, listing 15 of the 39 new digital asset ETFs brought to market. We're winning mandates from top-tier issuers like ARK and ProShares, and we're well-positioned to win license agreements for upcoming single-token ETFs from other major traditional finance players. Next week, we expect Intercontinental Exchange, or ICE, to launch a series of futures benchmarked to our CoinDesk Indices.
Thomas Farley: When major financial institutions, stablecoin issuers, and other digital asset clients choose a partner for liquidity services, they gravitate to Bullish because we are the only solution of its kind in the market offering, listing, liquidity, marketing, and research. Shifting gears to our information services business, CoinDesk Indices completed a breakout year. We served as benchmark data provider for 30 different single-token ETFs launched in 2025 and were especially dominant in the Q4, listing 15 of the 39 new digital asset ETFs brought to market. We're winning mandates from top-tier issuers like ARK and ProShares, and we're well-positioned to win license agreements for upcoming single-token ETFs from other major traditional finance players. Next week, we expect Intercontinental Exchange, or ICE, to launch a series of futures benchmarked to our CoinDesk Indices.
Speaker #3: Shifting gears to our information services business, CoinDesk Indices completed a breakout year. We served as benchmark data provider for 30 different single-token ETFs launched in 2025, and we're especially dominant in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #3: Listing 15 of the 39 new digital asset ETFs brought to market. We're winning mandates from top-tier issuers like ARK and ProShares, and we're well-positioned to win license agreements for upcoming single-token ETFs from other major traditional finance players.
Speaker #3: Next week, we expect Intercontinental Exchange, or ICE, to launch a series of futures benchmarked to our CoinDesk Indices. This includes cash-settled futures tracking the CoinDesk 20, CoinDesk 5, and five single-token indices, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, XRP, and—we believe—the first regulated exposure to BNB in the U.S. markets.
Thomas Farley: This includes cash-settled futures tracking the CoinDesk 20, CoinDesk 5, and five single-token indices, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, XRP, and we believe the first regulated exposure to BNB in the US markets. This partnership will better help us integrate our leading digital assets capabilities with ICE's traditional finance customers. On the insights side, CoinDesk Insights is among the most recognized brands in the digital assets space, and we've continued to leverage this notoriety to better cross-sell our top customers and drive our flywheel of organic revenue growth across all layers of our business. Our research solutions are also growing since the Q3 2025 launch, and we have had nine distinct customers pay for our research in the Q4 alone, our first full quarter of offering this service. I'm also excited to quickly touch on Consensus Hong Kong due to occur next week. The lineup is terrific.
Thomas Farley: This includes cash-settled futures tracking the CoinDesk 20, CoinDesk 5, and five single-token indices, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, XRP, and we believe the first regulated exposure to BNB in the US markets. This partnership will better help us integrate our leading digital assets capabilities with ICE's traditional finance customers. On the insights side, CoinDesk Insights is among the most recognized brands in the digital assets space, and we've continued to leverage this notoriety to better cross-sell our top customers and drive our flywheel of organic revenue growth across all layers of our business. Our research solutions are also growing since the Q3 2025 launch, and we have had nine distinct customers pay for our research in the Q4 alone, our first full quarter of offering this service. I'm also excited to quickly touch on Consensus Hong Kong due to occur next week. The lineup is terrific.
Speaker #3: This partnership will better help us integrate our leading digital assets capabilities with ICE's traditional finance customers. On the insight side, recognized brands in the digital asset space, CoinDesk Insights is among the most and we've continued to leverage this notoriety to better cross-sell our top customers and drive our flywheel of organic revenue growth across all layers of our business.
Speaker #3: Our research solutions are also growing since the Q3 2025 launch, and we have had nine distinct customers alone. pay for our research in the fourth quarter Our first full quarter of offering this service.
Speaker #3: I'm also excited to quickly touch on consensus Hong Kong. Due to occur next week, the lineup is terrific. The exhibition floor is packed. over 300 side events around Enthusiasm around the event is sky-high.
Thomas Farley: The exhibition floor is packed. Enthusiasm around the event is sky-high. We have over 300 side events around Hong Kong, and we have several notable Hong Kong officials, including the Honorable John Lee, the Chief Executive of Hong Kong, and key partnerships with Solana and Salt. We see this event as an opportunity to drive additional business to Bullish and believe it will serve as an accelerant for our sales pipeline in Asia. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave to discuss our financial performance and business drivers.
Thomas Farley: The exhibition floor is packed. Enthusiasm around the event is sky-high. We have over 300 side events around Hong Kong, and we have several notable Hong Kong officials, including the Honorable John Lee, the Chief Executive of Hong Kong, and key partnerships with Solana and Salt. We see this event as an opportunity to drive additional business to Bullish and believe it will serve as an accelerant for our sales pipeline in Asia. With that, I'll turn it over to Dave to discuss our financial performance and business drivers.
Speaker #3: Hong Kong, and we have several notable Hong Kong We have officials, including Honorable John Casey Lee, the Chief Executive of all of Hong Kong, and key partnerships with Solana and Salt.
Speaker #3: We see this event as an opportunity to drive additional business to Bullish and believe it will serve as an accelerant for our sales that, I'll turn it over to Dave to pipeline in Asia.
Speaker #3: With drivers.
Speaker #3: discuss our financial performance and business
Speaker #2: Thank you, Tom. And
David Bonanno: Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. I'm David Bonanno, CFO of Bullish. This morning, we published Bullish's preliminary Q4 and full year 2025 financial results covering our 6K filed with the SEC, as well as our earnings release, investor presentation, and January's monthly exchange metrics found on our IR website. We plan to publish our full year 2025 Form 20F in early March. As a reminder, reconciliations of our non-IFRS metrics can be found in today's earnings presentation and 6K. Turning to today's financial results, total adjusted revenue for the full year and Q4 2025 were $288.5 million and $92.5 million, respectively, representing approximately 35% full year growth and nearly 70% growth in the Q4 of '25 versus the Q4 of 2024.
David Bonanno: Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. I'm David Bonanno, CFO of Bullish. This morning, we published Bullish's preliminary Q4 and full year 2025 financial results covering our 6K filed with the SEC, as well as our earnings release, investor presentation, and January's monthly exchange metrics found on our IR website. We plan to publish our full year 2025 Form 20F in early March. As a reminder, reconciliations of our non-IFRS metrics can be found in today's earnings presentation and 6K. Turning to today's financial results, total adjusted revenue for the full year and Q4 2025 were $288.5 million and $92.5 million, respectively, representing approximately 35% full year growth and nearly 70% growth in the Q4 of '25 versus the Q4 of 2024.
Speaker #2: Good morning, everyone. I'm David Bonanno, CFO of Bullish. This morning, we published Bullish's preliminary fourth quarter and full-year 2025 financial results covering our 6-K filed with the SEC, as well as our earnings release, investor presentation, and January's monthly exchange metrics found on our IR website.
Speaker #2: We plan to publish our full year 2025 Form 20F in early March. As a reminder, reconciliations of our earnings presentation and non-IFRS metrics can be found in today's 6K.
Speaker #2: Turning to today's financial results, adjusted total adjusted revenue for the full year and fourth quarter 2025 were $288.5 million and $92.5 million, respectively. This represents approximately 35% full-year growth and nearly 70% growth in the fourth quarter of '25 versus the fourth quarter of 2024.
Speaker #2: Fourth quarter assets and O revenue of $54.6 million exceeded the high end of our previously provided guidance and brought full year 2025 assets and O revenue to $157.7 million up nearly 160% from 2024.
David Bonanno: Q4 SS&O revenue of $54.6 million exceeded the high end of our previously provided guidance and brought full-year 2025 SS&O revenue to $157.7 million, up nearly 160% from 2024. Q4 adjusted operating expenses were $48.1 million, roughly flat from the prior quarter and at the bottom end of our guidance, resulting in Q4 2025 adjusted EBITDA of $44.5 million, a record high 48% margin, and nearly half of the full-year 2025's $94.3 million in adjusted EBITDA. Finally, our adjusted net income in Q4 was $28.9 million and $38.8 million for the full-year 2025. Before I turn to our 2026 outlook, I want to take a moment to highlight a partner whose services illustrate the types of exciting new tokenization and on-chain capital markets innovations enabled by blockchain technology.
David Bonanno: Q4 SS&O revenue of $54.6 million exceeded the high end of our previously provided guidance and brought full-year 2025 SS&O revenue to $157.7 million, up nearly 160% from 2024. Q4 adjusted operating expenses were $48.1 million, roughly flat from the prior quarter and at the bottom end of our guidance, resulting in Q4 2025 adjusted EBITDA of $44.5 million, a record high 48% margin, and nearly half of the full-year 2025's $94.3 million in adjusted EBITDA. Finally, our adjusted net income in Q4 was $28.9 million and $38.8 million for the full-year 2025. Before I turn to our 2026 outlook, I want to take a moment to highlight a partner whose services illustrate the types of exciting new tokenization and on-chain capital markets innovations enabled by blockchain technology.
Speaker #2: Fourth quarter adjusted operating expenses were $48.1 million, roughly flat from the prior quarter and at the bottom end of our guidance, resulting in four Q25 adjusted EBITDA a record high, 48% margin in nearly half of the full year 2025's 94.3 million in adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #2: Finally, our adjusted net income in Q4 was $28.9 million, and $38.8 million 2025. Before I turn to our 2026 outlook, I want to take a moment to highlight a partner for the full year who services illustrate the types of exciting new tokenization and on-chain capital markets innovations enabled by blockchain technology.
Speaker #2: USDAI's DeFi platform and tokenized dollar product allows users to invest directly into a pool of tokenized treasury bills and fully secured GPU-backed loans with AUM currently exceeding $650 million.
David Bonanno: USDAI's DeFi platform and tokenized dollar product allows users to invest directly into a pool of tokenized treasury bills and fully secured GPU-backed loans with AUM currently exceeding $650 million. These loans benefit from traditional credit protections afforded to secured creditors such as perfected liens and third-party collateral verification, combined with full on-chain transparency and reporting. USDAI's products and services are bringing new investment alternatives directly to consumers and have established clear product-market fit for this emerging asset class. As USDAI and other innovators are bringing new assets and investment opportunities on-chain, we believe Bullish's full suite of services will continue to remain indispensable for our partner's success, and we look forward to continued collaboration with USDAI in the future. Now, turning to our 2026 guidance, we expect SS&O revenue between $220 and 250 million and adjusted operating expenses between $210 and 230 million.
David Bonanno: USDAI's DeFi platform and tokenized dollar product allows users to invest directly into a pool of tokenized treasury bills and fully secured GPU-backed loans with AUM currently exceeding $650 million. These loans benefit from traditional credit protections afforded to secured creditors such as perfected liens and third-party collateral verification, combined with full on-chain transparency and reporting. USDAI's products and services are bringing new investment alternatives directly to consumers and have established clear product-market fit for this emerging asset class. As USDAI and other innovators are bringing new assets and investment opportunities on-chain, we believe Bullish's full suite of services will continue to remain indispensable for our partner's success, and we look forward to continued collaboration with USDAI in the future. Now, turning to our 2026 guidance, we expect SS&O revenue between $220 and 250 million and adjusted operating expenses between $210 and 230 million.
Speaker #2: These protections afforded to secured loans benefit from traditional credit creditors such as perfected liens verification combined with full and third-party collateral on-chain transparency and reporting.
Speaker #2: USDAI's products and services are bringing new investment consumers and have established clear product-market fit for this emerging asset class. As USDAI and other innovators are bringing new assets and investment opportunities alternatives directly to on-chain, we believe Bullish's full suite of services will continue to remain indispensable for our partners' success, and we look forward to continued collaboration with USDAI in the future.
Speaker #2: Now, turning to our 2026 guidance. We expect assets and O revenue between $220 and $250 million and adjusted operating expenses between $210 and $230 million.
Speaker #2: We are not providing full year adjusted transaction revenue guidance and instead encourage investors to review our monthly exchange metrics such as this morning's previously mentioned, our adjusted transaction revenue can be volatile and we need to look no further than the January release.
David Bonanno: We are not providing full-year adjusted transaction revenue guidance, and instead encourage investors to review our monthly exchange metrics, such as this morning's January release. As previously mentioned, our adjusted transaction revenue can be volatile, and we need to look no further than the month of February, where we've already exceeded 50% of January's entire adjusted transaction revenue. I encourage everyone to continue following our monthly exchange disclosures to track our progress throughout the year.
David Bonanno: We are not providing full-year adjusted transaction revenue guidance, and instead encourage investors to review our monthly exchange metrics, such as this morning's January release. As previously mentioned, our adjusted transaction revenue can be volatile, and we need to look no further than the month of February, where we've already exceeded 50% of January's entire adjusted transaction revenue. I encourage everyone to continue following our monthly exchange disclosures to track our progress throughout the year.
Speaker #2: already exceeded 50% month of February where we've adjusted transaction revenue. I encourage everyone to continue following our monthly exchange disclosures to track our progress throughout the year.
Speaker #2: Turning to our assets and O revenue guidance, the midpoint of the range reflects approximately 50% year-over-year growth driven by a combination of expected As positive tailwinds from continued strong momentum across all our business lines, including steadily increasing tokenized RWA liquidity service bookings as we move through the year as well as expanded and more intelligent cross-selling, pricing, and product development throughout the entire organization partially offset by unfavorable comparable market conditions for asset prices and interest rates as compared to 2025 and selective sunsetting of older liquidity service products as we continue optimizing resources for margin expansion.
David Bonanno: Turning to our SS&O revenue guidance, the midpoint of the range reflects approximately 50% year-over-year growth driven by a combination of expected positive tailwinds from continued strong momentum across all our business lines, including steadily increasing tokenized RWA liquidity service bookings as we move through the year, as well as expanded and more intelligent cross-selling, pricing, and product development throughout the entire organization, partially offset by unfavorable comparable market conditions for asset prices and interest rates as compared to 2025, and selective sunsetting of older liquidity service products as we continue optimizing resources for margin expansion.
David Bonanno: Turning to our SS&O revenue guidance, the midpoint of the range reflects approximately 50% year-over-year growth driven by a combination of expected positive tailwinds from continued strong momentum across all our business lines, including steadily increasing tokenized RWA liquidity service bookings as we move through the year, as well as expanded and more intelligent cross-selling, pricing, and product development throughout the entire organization, partially offset by unfavorable comparable market conditions for asset prices and interest rates as compared to 2025, and selective sunsetting of older liquidity service products as we continue optimizing resources for margin expansion.
Speaker #2: For adjusted operating expenses, the midpoint of our guidance reflects low single-digit growth in our existing cost structure plus incremental expenses associated with moving our flagship consensus North America conference to Miami from Toronto.
David Bonanno: For adjusted operating expenses, the midpoint of our guidance reflects low single-digit growth in our existing cost structure plus incremental expenses associated with moving our flagship Consensus North America conference to Miami from Toronto, as well as new performance-based incentives designed for and triggered by very specific growth outcomes generated by our salesforce as well as exchange participants. And finally, 2026 finance expense is expected to be between $52 and $60 million, which is flat to slightly down from the Q4 run rate. We appreciate everyone's time this morning, and with that, I'll turn it back to Tom for closing remarks.
David Bonanno: For adjusted operating expenses, the midpoint of our guidance reflects low single-digit growth in our existing cost structure plus incremental expenses associated with moving our flagship Consensus North America conference to Miami from Toronto, as well as new performance-based incentives designed for and triggered by very specific growth outcomes generated by our salesforce as well as exchange participants. And finally, 2026 finance expense is expected to be between $52 and $60 million, which is flat to slightly down from the Q4 run rate. We appreciate everyone's time this morning, and with that, I'll turn it back to Tom for closing remarks.
Speaker #2: As well as new performance-based incentives designed for, and triggered by, very specific growth outcomes generated by our Salesforce as well as exchange participants. And finally, 2026 finance expense is expected to be between $52 million and $60 million, which is flat to slightly down from the fourth quarter run rate.
Speaker #2: time this morning. And with that, We appreciate everyone's I'll turn it back to Tom for closing
Speaker #2: remarks.
Speaker #1: Actually, we're going to open it
Thomas Farley: Actually, we're going to open it up for Q&A.
Thomas Farley: Actually, we're going to open it up for Q&A.
Speaker #1: up for Q&A.
Speaker #3: At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.
Operator: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Owen Lau with Clear Street. Please go ahead.
Operator: At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Owen Lau with Clear Street. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: And your first question comes from the line of Owen Lau with Clear Street. Please go
Speaker #3: Ahead. Good morning, and thank you.
[Analyst] (Clear Street): Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Going back to your 2026 SS&O guidance, could you please talk about your key assumptions? What are the variables that can get you to the high end versus the low end of your guidance range? Thanks a lot.
Owen Lau: Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Going back to your 2026 SS&O guidance, could you please talk about your key assumptions? What are the variables that can get you to the high end versus the low end of your guidance range? Thanks a lot.
Speaker #4: Thank you for taking my questions. Going back to your 2026 assets and O guidance, could you please talk about your key assumptions? What are the variables that can get you to the high end versus the low end of your guidance range?
Speaker #4: for taking my questions. Going back to your 2026 assets and O guidance, could you please talk about your key assumptions? What are the variables that can get you to the high end versus the low end of your guidance range?
Speaker #4: lot.
David Bonanno: Thanks, Owen, good to hear from you. In terms of the key factors influencing the SS&O guide for 2026, I laid them out in my prepared remarks. For potential upsides, we would expect that swift and effective passage of an infrastructure bill here in the United States will unlock and accelerate our pipeline in the SS&O line item. Macro headwinds, we already highlighted, those are baked into the guidance, and we think that the range reflects a good conservative mix of the expected outcomes both from an idiosyncratic, regulatory, and market-based perspective for 2026.
David Bonanno: Thanks, Owen, good to hear from you. In terms of the key factors influencing the SS&O guide for 2026, I laid them out in my prepared remarks. For potential upsides, we would expect that swift and effective passage of an infrastructure bill here in the United States will unlock and accelerate our pipeline in the SS&O line item. Macro headwinds, we already highlighted, those are baked into the guidance, and we think that the range reflects a good conservative mix of the expected outcomes both from an idiosyncratic, regulatory, and market-based perspective for 2026.
Speaker #5: of the key factors influencing you. In terms the assets and O guide for 2026, I laid them out in my prepared remarks. For potential upsides, we would expect
Speaker #5: infrastructure bill here in the United States will unlock an accelerate our pipeline in the assets and O line Thanks a item. Macro headwinds we already highlighted, those are baked into the guidance.
Speaker #5: And we think that the range reflects a good, conservative mix of the expected outcomes, both from an idiosyncratic, regulatory, and market-based perspective for 2026.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Biddell with Deutsche Bank. Please go
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brian Bedell with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: ahead. Great.
[Analyst] (Deutsche Bank): Great, thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just also focusing on SSO, can you talk about the contribution from the Consensus conferences that you're expecting within the SS&O revenue this year? And just a little bit more on the tokenization, RWA, of real-world assets, the progression of that during the year. And I don't know if you want to just, if I can layer on another one in there just on the USDAI, maybe just a couple of use cases to just better flesh that out in terms of how that might develop and contribute to SSO during the year.
Brian Bedell: Great, thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just also focusing on SSO, can you talk about the contribution from the Consensus conferences that you're expecting within the SS&O revenue this year? And just a little bit more on the tokenization, RWA, of real-world assets, the progression of that during the year. And I don't know if you want to just, if I can layer on another one in there just on the USDAI, maybe just a couple of use cases to just better flesh that out in terms of how that might develop and contribute to SSO during the year.
Speaker #1: Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just also focusing on SSO. Can you talk about the contribution from the consensus conferences that you're expecting within the SSO assets and O revenue this year?
Speaker #1: And the just a little bit more on the tokenization RWA of real world assets. The progression of that during the year. And I don't know if you want to just if I can layer on another one in there, just on the USDAI maybe just a couple of use cases to just better flesh that out in terms of how that might develop and contribute to SSO during the
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure.
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure. Thanks. Appreciate the year, questions, Brian. With regards to the Consensus events and assets and O, we expect those events to both be larger than they were in 2025.
David Bonanno: Yeah, sure, thanks. Appreciate the questions, Brian. With regards to the Consensus events in SS&O, we expect those events to both be larger than they were in 2025. We also expect to continue expanding the way that we use the Consensus conference and franchise to fuel the growth of our remaining business. We often use that as an additional product to help serve our partners and give them visibility around their products and key leaders. We expect that part of our SS&O to continue to grow, but it's probably at the lower end of all the growth rates within that bucket.
David Bonanno: Yeah, sure, thanks. Appreciate the questions, Brian. With regards to the Consensus events in SS&O, we expect those events to both be larger than they were in 2025. We also expect to continue expanding the way that we use the Consensus conference and franchise to fuel the growth of our remaining business. We often use that as an additional product to help serve our partners and give them visibility around their products and key leaders. We expect that part of our SS&O to continue to grow, but it's probably at the lower end of all the growth rates within that bucket.
Speaker #5: We also expect to continue expanding the way that we use the consensus conference and franchise to fuel the growth of our remaining business. We often use that as additional product to help serve our partners and give them around their products and key visibility and visibility our assets and O to continue to grow, but it's probably at the lower end of all leaders.
Speaker #5: the growth rates within that
Speaker #3: Your next question comes
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rayna.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rayna.
Speaker #3: from the line of Reina
Thomas Farley: My question was, how do we expect tokenization to roll out in terms of SS&O?
Brian Bedell: My question was, how do we expect tokenization to roll out in terms of SS&O?
Speaker #3: was. How do we expect
Speaker #1: tokenization to roll out in terms of assets and O?
Speaker #5: Sure. Yeah. In terms of the tokenization within assets and, O Brian, as we announced this morning, we signed a USDAI, which I'll touch—we expect that part of—on in a second.
David Bonanno: Sure, yeah, in terms of the tokenization within SS&O, Brian, as we announced this morning, we signed USDAI, which I'll touch on in a second. They're an example of just one type of tokenization partner. Again, I do think the Clarity Act and the Infrastructure Bill getting passed will unlock and rapidly unlock a new wave of potential customers across all of our different products. We are seeing that in the international market already. We do expect to get regulatory approvals to list, trade, and provide liquidity for securities and other tokenized assets outside of the United States, but we believe that hopefully in the back half of the year, we'll have a positive outcome on the market Infrastructure Bill as well as being able to improve and expand our regulatory footprint here in the United States, specifically around RWAs and tokenized assets.
David Bonanno: Sure, yeah, in terms of the tokenization within SS&O, Brian, as we announced this morning, we signed USDAI, which I'll touch on in a second. They're an example of just one type of tokenization partner. Again, I do think the Clarity Act and the Infrastructure Bill getting passed will unlock and rapidly unlock a new wave of potential customers across all of our different products. We are seeing that in the international market already. We do expect to get regulatory approvals to list, trade, and provide liquidity for securities and other tokenized assets outside of the United States, but we believe that hopefully in the back half of the year, we'll have a positive outcome on the market Infrastructure Bill as well as being able to improve and expand our regulatory footprint here in the United States, specifically around RWAs and tokenized assets.
Speaker #5: They're an example of just one type of tokenization partner. Again, I do think the clarity act and the infrastructure bill getting passed will unlock and rapidly unlock a new wave of potential customers across all of our different products.
Speaker #5: We are seeing that in the international market already. We do expect to get regulatory approvals to list and trade and provide liquidity for securities and other tokenized assets.
Speaker #5: Outside of the United States, but we believe that hopefully in the back half of the year, we'll have a positive outcome on the market infrastructure bill, as well as being able to improve and expand our regulatory footprint here in the United States, specifically around RWAs and—
Speaker #5: tokenized assets. Yeah.
Thomas Farley: Just to add one thing to that, Brian, if you remember, our liquidity services business came about in 2023, and it came about because this concept of tokenizing the dollar was really gaining steam. If you go back to 2022, there was only a handful of billion stablecoins in the world, and fast forward to today, there's $300 billion. So people like Ripple and PayPal were coming to us saying, "Hey, creating the token is the easy part," although they would solicit our feedback and advice on perhaps how best to design the token. But do you have any tokenization services that you can offer that will make this thing a success? And that's the business that we built. We chose to call it liquidity services, could have very easily called it tokenization, but in those days, that was not a buzzword like it is today.
Speaker #1: Just to we if you add one thing to that, Brian, remember, our liquidity services business came about in 2023, and it came about because this concept of tokenizing the dollar was really gaining steam.
Thomas Farley: Just to add one thing to that, Brian, if you remember, our liquidity services business came about in 2023, and it came about because this concept of tokenizing the dollar was really gaining steam. If you go back to 2022, there was only a handful of billion stablecoins in the world, and fast forward to today, there's $300 billion. So people like Ripple and PayPal were coming to us saying, "Hey, creating the token is the easy part," although they would solicit our feedback and advice on perhaps how best to design the token. But do you have any tokenization services that you can offer that will make this thing a success? And that's the business that we built. We chose to call it liquidity services, could have very easily called it tokenization, but in those days, that was not a buzzword like it is today.
Speaker #1: You go back to 2022, there was only a handful of billion stablecoins in the world, and fast forward to today, there's 300 billion. And so people like Ripple and PayPal were coming to us saying, "Hey, creating the token is the easy part." Although they would solicit our feedback and advice on perhaps how best to design the token.
Speaker #1: But do you have any tokenization services that you can offer that will make this thing a success? And that's the business that we built.
Speaker #1: We chose to call it liquidity services. Could have very easily called it tokenization. But in those days, that was not a buzzword like it is today.
Speaker #1: As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the easy part is designing a token, choosing the so-called tokenomics, how many tokens will you have, who will own them, so on and so forth.
Thomas Farley: As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the easy part is designing a token, choosing the so-called tokenomics, how many tokens will you have, who will own them, so on and so forth, and writing the Smart Contract code. I mean, we have dozens of great developers here in Bullish that write Smart Contract code. That's not a complicated concept. The hard part is making the thing a success. So we are already in the tokenization business. This is what I referred to. We're listing these products. We're providing liquidity for them. We're doing marketing. We're now writing research. So answering your question specifically, like, "Hey, how do you see tokenization rolling out in SS&O?" It's already rolling out, and it's why this business has grown so dramatically and continues to grow. But now think about the future when you have I'll pick one at random.
Thomas Farley: As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, the easy part is designing a token, choosing the so-called tokenomics, how many tokens will you have, who will own them, so on and so forth, and writing the Smart Contract code. I mean, we have dozens of great developers here in Bullish that write Smart Contract code. That's not a complicated concept. The hard part is making the thing a success. So we are already in the tokenization business. This is what I referred to. We're listing these products. We're providing liquidity for them. We're doing marketing. We're now writing research. So answering your question specifically, like, "Hey, how do you see tokenization rolling out in SS&O?" It's already rolling out, and it's why this business has grown so dramatically and continues to grow. But now think about the future when you have I'll pick one at random.
Speaker #1: And writing the smart contract code. I mean, we have dozens of great developers here in Bullish that write smart contract code. That's not a complicated concept.
Speaker #1: The hard part is making the thing a success. So we are already in the tokenization business. This is what I referred to. We're lifting these products.
Speaker #1: We're providing liquidity for them. We're doing marketing. We're now writing research. So the answering your question specifically, like, "Hey, how do you see tokenization rolling out in assets and O?" It's already rolling out, and it's why this business has grown so dramatically and continues to grow, but now think about the future when you have I'll pick one at random.
Speaker #1: The US equities market or market starts to move into this on-chain future. All of the global fixed income those same requirements still exist from the base level.
Thomas Farley: The US equities market or the global fixed income market starts to move into this on-chain future. All of those same requirements still exist from the base level. "Hey, Bullish, help us design this thing. Help us write a smart contract." Okay, easy enough. But what about the hard stuff listed on a regulated venue? It's not easy to establish a regulated venue in the United States, in Europe. You have to be a credible player like we are with a balance sheet. You have to be compliant. You have to have a history of three lines of defense and real people you can put in front of a regulator. So that business, we're already in it today. We are already a market leader today, and the industry is going to grow hugely.
Thomas Farley: The US equities market or the global fixed income market starts to move into this on-chain future. All of those same requirements still exist from the base level. "Hey, Bullish, help us design this thing. Help us write a smart contract." Okay, easy enough. But what about the hard stuff listed on a regulated venue? It's not easy to establish a regulated venue in the United States, in Europe. You have to be a credible player like we are with a balance sheet. You have to be compliant. You have to have a history of three lines of defense and real people you can put in front of a regulator. So that business, we're already in it today. We are already a market leader today, and the industry is going to grow hugely.
Speaker #1: Hey, Bullish, help us design this thing. Help us write a smart contract. Okay, easy enough. But what about the hard stuff? Listed on a regulated venue.
Speaker #1: It's not easy to establish a regulated venue in the United States. In Europe, you have to be a credible player like we are with the balance sheet.
Speaker #1: You have to be compliant. You have to have a history of three lines of defense and real people you can put in front of a regulator.
Speaker #1: So that business, we're already in it today. We are already a market leader today. And the industry is going to grow hugely and the way we're thinking about evolving our product offering is to be able to meet the needs of the market in that
Thomas Farley: The way we're thinking about evolving our product offering is to be able to meet the needs of the market in that eventuality.
Thomas Farley: The way we're thinking about evolving our product offering is to be able to meet the needs of the market in that eventuality.
Speaker #1: eventuality. Your next question comes from
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rayna Kumar with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Rayna Kumar with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: The line of Reina Kumar with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: ahead.
Speaker #6: Good morning. Thanks for
Rayna Kumar: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to ask about the Clarity Act. Could you comment where Bullish stands on the Clarity Act and what your thoughts are on some of the key provisions, including tokenization, DeFi, and stablecoin yields? And also, what do you think is the likely timeline for passage? Thank you.
Rayna Kumar: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just want to ask about the Clarity Act. Could you comment where Bullish stands on the Clarity Act and what your thoughts are on some of the key provisions, including tokenization, DeFi, and stablecoin yields? And also, what do you think is the likely timeline for passage? Thank you.
Speaker #6: Thank you for taking my question. I just want to ask about the Clarity Act. Could you comment on where Bullish stands on the Clarity Act and what your thoughts are on some of the key provisions, including tokenization, DeFi, and stablecoin yields?
Speaker #6: And also, what do you think is the likely timeline for passage? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Sure, Reina. Thanks. Thanks for the question. Good question. Very relevant. I've spent a lot of time in Washington. I'm not a market prognosticator in the same way I'm not a legislative prognosticator.
Thomas Farley: Sure, Rayna. Thanks for the question. Good question, very relevant. I've spent a lot of time in Washington. I'm not a market prognosticator in the same way. I'm not a legislative prognosticator. I'll give you my innermost thoughts, but don't hold me to them. It does feel like the bill is moving to passage. If you recall, on the last earnings call, I was a little less optimistic. But having spent time in Washington, having met one-on-one with most, nearly all of the US senators that are actively working on the bill on both Senate Ag and Senate Banking, it feels like there is a path. There's three key issues that require resolution. You hit two of them, and a third is the so-called ethics or conflicts of interest issues.
Thomas Farley: Sure, Rayna. Thanks for the question. Good question, very relevant. I've spent a lot of time in Washington. I'm not a market prognosticator in the same way. I'm not a legislative prognosticator. I'll give you my innermost thoughts, but don't hold me to them. It does feel like the bill is moving to passage. If you recall, on the last earnings call, I was a little less optimistic. But having spent time in Washington, having met one-on-one with most, nearly all of the US senators that are actively working on the bill on both Senate Ag and Senate Banking, it feels like there is a path. There's three key issues that require resolution. You hit two of them, and a third is the so-called ethics or conflicts of interest issues.
Speaker #5: I'll give you my innermost thoughts, but don't hold me to them. It does feel like the bill is moving to passage. If you recall, on the last earnings call, I was a little less optimistic.
Speaker #5: But having spent time in Washington, having met one-on-one with most, nearly all of the US senators that are actively working on the bill, on both Senate Ag and Senate Banking, it feels like there is a path.
Speaker #5: There are three key issues that require resolution. You hit two of them, and a third is the so-called ethics or conflicts of interest issues. Think of those as the Dems wanting to put handcuffs on the ability for the administration to be involved in crypto.
Thomas Farley: Think of those as the Dems wanting to put handcuffs on the ability for the administration to be involved in crypto. So those three are all thorny for different reasons, but I see a path through for all of them. I think with respect to the yield question, the level of disingenuousness is almost befitting an SNL skit where all of the largest global banks in the world go down to Washington and then say, "Hey, we're really just here because of community banks and protecting community banks," which, by the way, represent about 11% of total deposits in the US. God forbid we would allow exchanges and intermediaries to pay yield because these community banks would be significantly impacted. So I don't think this is really about the community banks.
Thomas Farley: Think of those as the Dems wanting to put handcuffs on the ability for the administration to be involved in crypto. So those three are all thorny for different reasons, but I see a path through for all of them. I think with respect to the yield question, the level of disingenuousness is almost befitting an SNL skit where all of the largest global banks in the world go down to Washington and then say, "Hey, we're really just here because of community banks and protecting community banks," which, by the way, represent about 11% of total deposits in the US. God forbid we would allow exchanges and intermediaries to pay yield because these community banks would be significantly impacted. So I don't think this is really about the community banks.
Speaker #5: So those three are all thorny for different reasons, but I see a path through for all of them. I think with respect to the yield question, the level of disingenuousness is almost befitting an SNL global banks in the world go down to Washington and then say, "Hey, we're really just here because of community skit where all of the largest banks and protecting community banks," which, by the way, represent about 11% of total deposits in the US, God forbid we would allow exchanges and intermediaries to pay yield because these community banks would be significantly impacted.
Speaker #5: this is really about the community banks. I think it's a competitive So I don't think issue. But I think there will be a negotiated settlement through this or negotiated agreement through this that all sides can live with.
Thomas Farley: I think it's a competitive issue, but I think there will be a negotiated settlement through this or negotiated agreement through this that all sides can live with. The second issue around DeFi, the big issue to keep an eye on is what will the KYC and AML requirements be for a DeFi platform? And that's the tough part because on the one hand, the DeFi folks just want to have zero KYC, AML. And on the other hand, the heavily regulated folks or the people who espouse heavy regulation want to tie the hands of DeFi entirely, which could really curtail innovation. Again, I think there will be a negotiated path through somewhere in the middle. And then on the conflicts of interest issues, I've spoken to the White House this week.
Thomas Farley: I think it's a competitive issue, but I think there will be a negotiated settlement through this or negotiated agreement through this that all sides can live with. The second issue around DeFi, the big issue to keep an eye on is what will the KYC and AML requirements be for a DeFi platform? And that's the tough part because on the one hand, the DeFi folks just want to have zero KYC, AML. And on the other hand, the heavily regulated folks or the people who espouse heavy regulation want to tie the hands of DeFi entirely, which could really curtail innovation. Again, I think there will be a negotiated path through somewhere in the middle. And then on the conflicts of interest issues, I've spoken to the White House this week.
Speaker #5: The second issue around DeFi, the big issue to keep an eye on is what will the KYC and AML requirements be? For a DeFi platform.
Speaker #5: And that's the tough part, because on the one hand, the DeFi folks just want to have zero KYC, AML. And on the other hand, the heavily regulated folks, or the people who espouse heavy regulation, want to tie the hands of DeFi entirely, which could really curtail innovation.
Speaker #5: Again, I think there will be a negotiated path through somewhere in the middle. And then on the conflicts of interest issues, I've spoken to the White House this week.
Speaker #5: I've spoken to offices of US senators. And also there, it seems like there's a couple of paths that perhaps both sides can live with, but that perhaps is the thorniest of all the issues.
Thomas Farley: I've spoken to offices of US senators, and also there, it seems like there's a couple of paths that perhaps both sides can live with, but that perhaps is the thorniest of all the issues because of the potential for presidential politics, 2028 presidential politics, to be in play. To put a timeline on it, truthfully, I have no clue, but I'm actually personally hopeful and even a little bit optimistic that it could be before the summer.
Thomas Farley: I've spoken to offices of US senators, and also there, it seems like there's a couple of paths that perhaps both sides can live with, but that perhaps is the thorniest of all the issues because of the potential for presidential politics, 2028 presidential politics, to be in play. To put a timeline on it, truthfully, I have no clue, but I'm actually personally hopeful and even a little bit optimistic that it could be before the summer.
Speaker #5: potential for presidential politics Because of the 2028, presidential politics. To be in play. To put a timeline on it, truthfully, I have no clue.
Speaker #5: But I'm actually personally hopeful. And even a little bit optimistic that it could be before the
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Ken Worthington with JP Morgan. Please go
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Speaker #3: ahead. Hi, good morning.
Madeline Delaidon: Hi, good morning. This is Madeline Delaidon for Ken. Thanks for taking our question. To actually follow up on the previous question on market structure legislation, if the banks were to get their way, could you please discuss the impact, if any, that intermediaries no longer paying interest on stablecoins would have on the stablecoin industry broadly, but then your stablecoin promotion business specifically as well? Thank you.
Madeline Daleiden: Hi, good morning. This is Madeline Delaidon for Ken. Thanks for taking our question. To actually follow up on the previous question on market structure legislation, if the banks were to get their way, could you please discuss the impact, if any, that intermediaries no longer paying interest on stablecoins would have on the stablecoin industry broadly, but then your stablecoin promotion business specifically as well? Thank you.
Speaker #7: This is Madeline Delighton on for Ken. Thanks for taking our question. To actually follow up on the previous question on market structure legislation, if the banks were to get their way, could you please discuss the impact if any that intermediaries no longer paying interest on stablecoin industry broadly, but stablecoins would have on the industry, then your stablecoin promotion business specifically as well?
Speaker #7: Thank
Speaker #7: you.
Speaker #5: Sure. Great to hear from prevailing text of the multiple markups we've seen so far, we would expect should the final legislation land in camps, there would be minimal to really no financial impact on our liquidity services business.
David Bonanno: Sure, great to hear from you, Madeline. Appreciate the question. Given the prevailing texts of the multiple markups we've seen so far, we would expect, should the final legislation land in either of those two camps, there would be minimal to really no financial impact on our liquidity services business. You'll note in there, there are specific carve-outs for people providing liquidity and other services to stablecoin issuers to receive rewards. And we believe that in any eventual outcome, our product will continue to thrive. And we're not expecting, based on the likely potential outcomes we see from current drafting of the legislation, any negative impact that would occur to our stablecoin business at this time.
David Bonanno: Sure, great to hear from you, Madeline. Appreciate the question. Given the prevailing texts of the multiple markups we've seen so far, we would expect, should the final legislation land in either of those two camps, there would be minimal to really no financial impact on our liquidity services business. You'll note in there, there are specific carve-outs for people providing liquidity and other services to stablecoin issuers to receive rewards. And we believe that in any eventual outcome, our product will continue to thrive. And we're not expecting, based on the likely potential outcomes we see from current drafting of the legislation, any negative impact that would occur to our stablecoin business at this time.
Speaker #5: You'll note in there, there are specific carve-outs for people providing liquidity. And other services, the stablecoin issuers to receive rewards and we believe that in any eventual outcome, our product will continue to thrive and we're not expecting based on the likely potential outcomes we see from current drafting of the legislation any negative impact that would occur to our stablecoin business at this time.
Speaker #5: And if I could just add one note, Reina had asked kind of what is the impact on Bullish. the bill as it sits. There's a whole bunch we would change in a perfect world.
Thomas Farley: If I could just add one note, Rayna had asked kind of what is the impact on Bullish. We're broadly fine with the bill as it sits. There's a whole bunch we would change in a perfect world, but it all kind of works for us. And the most important thing to us, frankly, is getting a bill passed because we've seen it. We saw it with the Clarity Act where all of a sudden, you had a rush of credible issuers of stablecoins that didn't want to get involved until there was kind of federal law that provides some sort of safe harbor. That's how we feel generally about market structure. In fact, we think the absence of the market structure bill has probably contributed in some small- to medium-sized way in the swoon in crypto prices.
Thomas Farley: If I could just add one note, Rayna had asked kind of what is the impact on Bullish. We're broadly fine with the bill as it sits. There's a whole bunch we would change in a perfect world, but it all kind of works for us. And the most important thing to us, frankly, is getting a bill passed because we've seen it. We saw it with the Clarity Act where all of a sudden, you had a rush of credible issuers of stablecoins that didn't want to get involved until there was kind of federal law that provides some sort of safe harbor. That's how we feel generally about market structure. In fact, we think the absence of the market structure bill has probably contributed in some small- to medium-sized way in the swoon in crypto prices.
Speaker #5: most important thing to us, frankly, is getting But it all kind of works for us. And the because we've seen it. We saw it with the Genius Act where all of a sudden you had a rush of credible issuers of stablecoins that didn't want to get involved until there was kind of federal law that provides some sort of safe harbor.
Speaker #5: That's how we feel generally about market structure. In fact, we think the absence of the market structure bill has probably contributed in some small to medium-sized way in So first and foremost, we'd like to see a bill the swoon in crypto prices.
Thomas Farley: So first and foremost, we'd like to see a bill get done. But we have been received, warmly received, I will say, in DC as an honest broker. And I didn't know what to expect. If I'm candid, I personally have been out of the lobbying game now for kind of six or seven years. I had enjoyed that reprieve. But jumping back in, we've been received as an honest broker, and where we kind of saw flaws in the text, we've been able to influence changes that will result in better legislation.
Thomas Farley: So first and foremost, we'd like to see a bill get done. But we have been received, warmly received, I will say, in DC as an honest broker. And I didn't know what to expect. If I'm candid, I personally have been out of the lobbying game now for kind of six or seven years. I had enjoyed that reprieve. But jumping back in, we've been received as an honest broker, and where we kind of saw flaws in the text, we've been able to influence changes that will result in better legislation.
Speaker #5: get done. But we have been received warmly received, I will say, in DC as an honest broker. And I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker #5: If I'm candid, I personally have been out of the lobbying game now for kind of six or seven years. I had enjoyed that. That reprieve.
Speaker #5: back in, we've been received as an honest But jumping broker. And where we kind of saw flaws in the text we've been able to influence changes that will result in better
Speaker #5: legislation. Your next question comes from the
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Pete Christiansen with Citi. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Pete Christiansen with Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: line of Pete Christensen with City. Please go
Speaker #3: ahead. Thank you.
Pete Christiansen: Thank you. Good morning. Nice to have two Houston guys, and Tom, great to hear that Bullish is at the table during some of these negotiations. Just had a question about pipeline growth. Granted, we've had a lot of bouts of volatility in the crypto markets over the years. Just curious, how do you see the pipeline activity amassed during these periods of heightened volatility? And then just a quick follow-up, I think you mentioned M&A as a potential tool going forward. Is that scale? Is that capabilities, licensure? Just some color on that. Would just be a little bit helpful. Thank you so much.
Pete Christiansen: Thank you. Good morning. Nice to have two Houston guys, and Tom, great to hear that Bullish is at the table during some of these negotiations. Just had a question about pipeline growth. Granted, we've had a lot of bouts of volatility in the crypto markets over the years. Just curious, how do you see the pipeline activity amassed during these periods of heightened volatility? And then just a quick follow-up, I think you mentioned M&A as a potential tool going forward. Is that scale? Is that capabilities, licensure? Just some color on that. Would just be a little bit helpful. Thank you so much.
Speaker #5: Good morning. Nice execution, that Bullish is at the table during some of these negotiations. Just had a guys, and Tom, great to hear question about pipeline growth.
Speaker #5: Granted, we've had a lot of bouts of volatility in the crypto markets over the years. Just curious how you see the pipeline activity amassed during these periods of heightened volatility.
Speaker #5: And then just a quick follow-up. I think you mentioned M&A was a potential tool going forward. Is that scale? Is that capabilities, licensure to some color on that?
Speaker #5: We'll just be a little bit helpful. Thank you so much.
Speaker #5: much. Sure,
Thomas Farley: Sure, Pete. Pardon me. I'll let Dave give his perspective on the pipeline as well. The build in the pipeline has been steady and consistent, and I would say really starting with kind of early summer last year, increasing. But look, I've been around markets for a while, and this is a particularly volatile period, and the price performance has been particularly disappointing. And so I, like you, am waiting to see does that continue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a little bit of a slowdown in terms of the size and the expansion of the pipeline. I mean, this degradation of prices across, and it's not just crypto, right? Now it's software, and we all see what's happening in silver. Basically, anything risk-on has kind of seen serious price degradation. So it's possible that that will slow down a little bit.
Thomas Farley: Sure, Pete. Pardon me. I'll let Dave give his perspective on the pipeline as well. The build in the pipeline has been steady and consistent, and I would say really starting with kind of early summer last year, increasing. But look, I've been around markets for a while, and this is a particularly volatile period, and the price performance has been particularly disappointing. And so I, like you, am waiting to see does that continue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a little bit of a slowdown in terms of the size and the expansion of the pipeline. I mean, this degradation of prices across, and it's not just crypto, right? Now it's software, and we all see what's happening in silver. Basically, anything risk-on has kind of seen serious price degradation. So it's possible that that will slow down a little bit.
Speaker #6: let pardon me. I'll let Dave give his perspective on the pipeline as Pete. I'll well. The build in the pipeline has been steady, and consistent, and I would say really starting with kind of early summer last year increasing but look, I've been around markets for a while, and this is a particularly volatile period.
Speaker #6: been particularly And the price performance has disappointing. And so I like you in waiting to see does that continue. It wouldn't surprise me to see a little bit of a slowdown in terms expansion of the pipeline.
Speaker #6: I mean, this degradation of prices across and it's not just crypto, right? It's now it's software and we all see what's happening in silver.
Speaker #6: Basically, anything risk-on has kind of seen serious price degradation. So it's possible that that will slow down a little bit. I would just say we're up to our eyeballs in being able to service the current pipeline.
Thomas Farley: I would just say we're up to our eyeballs in being able to service the current pipeline. In fact, if there's a governor on growth for us at this point in our liquidity services business, it's been the ability to add new layer ones and new crypto projects because we have so many in the pipeline. So even if there's a temporary kind of slowdown in the build, that's something that will be fine for us, financially speaking. Obviously, if that continued for a long period of time, that would not be a good thing. But in general, this tokenization thing, it's real, Pete. So if you're running, let's say, a major global prime broker or you're one of these global transfer agents or you're a CFD, a data repository somewhere around the world, you are working on this. You're getting involved in this.
Thomas Farley: I would just say we're up to our eyeballs in being able to service the current pipeline. In fact, if there's a governor on growth for us at this point in our liquidity services business, it's been the ability to add new layer ones and new crypto projects because we have so many in the pipeline. So even if there's a temporary kind of slowdown in the build, that's something that will be fine for us, financially speaking. Obviously, if that continued for a long period of time, that would not be a good thing. But in general, this tokenization thing, it's real, Pete. So if you're running, let's say, a major global prime broker or you're one of these global transfer agents or you're a CFD, a data repository somewhere around the world, you are working on this. You're getting involved in this.
Speaker #6: In fact, if there's a governor on growth for us at this point in our liquidity services business, it's been the ability to add new layer ones and new crypto projects because we have so many in the pipeline.
Speaker #6: So even if there's a temporary kind of slowdown in the build, that's something that will be fine for us financially speaking. Obviously, if that continued for a long period of time, that would not be a good thing.
Speaker #6: in general, this But tokenization thing, it's real, Pete. So if you're running, let's say, a major global prime broker or you're one of these global transfer agents or you're a CFD, a data repository somewhere around the world, you are working on this.
Speaker #6: You're getting involved in this. The money is being spent and that is not going to stop just because Bitcoin's down 40%.
Thomas Farley: The money is being spent, and that is not going to stop just because Bitcoin's down 40%.
Thomas Farley: The money is being spent, and that is not going to stop just because Bitcoin's down 40%.
Speaker #5: Yeah. And I just echo Tom's statements and we've been through a lot of volatility before in this industry. I think if you zoom out and you kind of look at our progress over the last year, the combination of the license footprint expansion, notably MiCA, SFC, New York Bit license, and US access combined with the launch of options in particular, subset to Bullish has all which brought a new customer layered on top of each other in kind of rapid succession.
David Bonanno: Yeah, and I'd just echo Tom's statements. We've been through a lot of volatility before in this industry. I think if you zoom out and you kind of look at our progress over the last year, the combination of the license footprint expansion, notably MiCA, SFC, New York BitLicense, and US access, combined with the launch of options in particular, which brought a new customer subset to Bullish, has all layered on top of each other in kind of rapid succession to bring on, as Tom mentioned, waves of new trading customers. Every metric of active customers has been hitting new all-time highs, literally, as we said in the prepared remarks, every single month over the course of the year, with this year looking like no exception. So we'll see how long the volatility and bad price action persists.
David Bonanno: Yeah, and I'd just echo Tom's statements. We've been through a lot of volatility before in this industry. I think if you zoom out and you kind of look at our progress over the last year, the combination of the license footprint expansion, notably MiCA, SFC, New York BitLicense, and US access, combined with the launch of options in particular, which brought a new customer subset to Bullish, has all layered on top of each other in kind of rapid succession to bring on, as Tom mentioned, waves of new trading customers. Every metric of active customers has been hitting new all-time highs, literally, as we said in the prepared remarks, every single month over the course of the year, with this year looking like no exception. So we'll see how long the volatility and bad price action persists.
Speaker #5: To bring on, as Tom mentioned, waves of new trading customers, every metric of active customer has been hitting new all-time highs—literally, as we said in the prepared remarks—every single month over the course of the year, with this year looking like no exception.
Speaker #5: So we'll see how long the volatility and bad price action persists. But underneath the hood, we're seeing strong, strong continued growth. And frankly, looking at our internal metrics, you wouldn't be aware of the external environment.
David Bonanno: But underneath the hood, we're seeing strong, strong continued growth. Frankly, looking at our internal metrics, you wouldn't be aware of the external environment.
David Bonanno: But underneath the hood, we're seeing strong, strong continued growth. Frankly, looking at our internal metrics, you wouldn't be aware of the external environment.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Brett Noblock with Pinterest Gerald. Please go
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brett Knoblauch with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Brett Knoblauch with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: ahead. Hi, guys.
Gareth Om: Hi, guys. This is Gareth Om for Brett. I was hoping we could dig in on SS&O revenue for Q4 here. Could you maybe provide some color on the mix of revenue between services, liquidity, and events?
Gareth Walsh: Hi, guys. This is Gareth Om for Brett. I was hoping we could dig in on SS&O revenue for Q4 here. Could you maybe provide some color on the mix of revenue between services, liquidity, and events?
Speaker #7: This is Gareth Thom for Brett. I was hoping we could dig in on SSNO revenue for the fourth quarter here. Could you maybe provide some color on the mix of revenue between services, liquidity, and
Speaker #5: Sure.
David Bonanno: Sure. Appreciate the question. Yeah, as you know, we don't break out the internals of the SS&O revenue line item because we tend to cross-sell them very aggressively. And oftentimes, we will discount certain products or include complementary certain other products, or find the right combination of products and services that meet the customer's demands and get the job to be done, completed for that partner. With regards to events revenue in Q4, I was actually mistaken on the last call. I had previously mentioned Q4 had no events revenue. That was incorrect. There was events revenue in Q4 similar to the amount that we had in Q3. Both of those were fairly de minimis, given the seasonality of our events is focused in the first half of the year. That probably will be the same trajectory in 2026.
David Bonanno: Sure. Appreciate the question. Yeah, as you know, we don't break out the internals of the SS&O revenue line item because we tend to cross-sell them very aggressively. And oftentimes, we will discount certain products or include complementary certain other products, or find the right combination of products and services that meet the customer's demands and get the job to be done, completed for that partner. With regards to events revenue in Q4, I was actually mistaken on the last call. I had previously mentioned Q4 had no events revenue. That was incorrect. There was events revenue in Q4 similar to the amount that we had in Q3. Both of those were fairly de minimis, given the seasonality of our events is focused in the first half of the year. That probably will be the same trajectory in 2026.
Speaker #5: Appreciate the question. Yeah, as you know, we don't break out events? the internals of the SSNO revenue line item because we tend to cross-sell them very aggressively.
Speaker #5: discount certain products or include complimentary certain other products or find the right combination of And oftentimes, we will products and services that meet the customer's demands and get the job to be done completed for that partner.
Speaker #5: With regards to events revenue in the fourth quarter, I was actually mistaken on the last call. I had previously mentioned the fourth quarter had no events revenue.
Speaker #5: That was incorrect. There was events revenue in the fourth quarter, similar to the amount that we had in the third quarter. Both of those were fairly de minimis.
Speaker #5: Given the seasonality of our events, it's focused in the first half of the year and that probably will be the same trajectory in 2026.
Speaker #3: Your next Fafi with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Mr. Fafi, your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Mr. Vafi, your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead. Mr. Vafi, your line is open.
Joseph Vafi: Hello. Can you hear me? Hello?
Joseph Vafi: Hello. Can you hear me? Hello?
Speaker #8: Hello? Hello. Can you hear me?
Speaker #6: Yeah. Hi. Loud and clear, Joe.
Thomas Farley: Yeah, hi. Loud and clear, Joe.
Thomas Farley: Yeah, hi. Loud and clear, Joe.
Speaker #8: Okay. Great. Yeah. Good morning. Sorry about that. Congrats on the execution here in the quarter, guys. Just what would be interesting to hear with this macro?
Joseph Vafi: Okay, great. Yeah, good morning. Sorry about that. Congrats on the execution here in the quarter, guys. Just, what would be interesting to hear with this macro, what customers are saying about their crypto strategies, digital asset strategies, tokenization strategies. Maybe tokenization moves forward as a value prop, but as the asset class has kind of come in here, how are they thinking about it from your conversations with them? Thanks.
Joseph Vafi: Okay, great. Yeah, good morning. Sorry about that. Congrats on the execution here in the quarter, guys. Just, what would be interesting to hear with this macro, what customers are saying about their crypto strategies, digital asset strategies, tokenization strategies. Maybe tokenization moves forward as a value prop, but as the asset class has kind of come in here, how are they thinking about it from your conversations with them? Thanks.
Speaker #8: What customers are saying about their crypto strategies? Digital asset strategies? Tokenization strategies? Maybe tokenization moves but as the asset forward as a value prop, here, how are they thinking about it from your conversations with them?
Speaker #8: Thanks.
Speaker #6: Yeah. Hey, Joe. I wish I had knew kind of new commentary, new profound commentary over and above what we've already said. I'm largely going to be repeating myself because I was just telling you what's on the ground.
Thomas Farley: Yeah. Hey, Joe. I wish I had kind of new commentary, new profound commentary over and above what we've already said. I'm largely going to be repeating myself because I'm just telling you what's on the ground. I'm very involved with new business opportunities, as is Dave. There really is no change in tone. I know that sounds ridiculous because with each passing day, we're seeing the price of Bitcoin go down by several thousand. But I want to caution. I think it was Brett who asked the question before. I want to add a note of caution, which is this is happening in real time. I do think there is going to be some form of recalibration. Oh, just how big is my investment, in particular from crypto-native types, because a lot of crypto-native types, look, not dissimilar from Bullish, they own some crypto.
Thomas Farley: Yeah. Hey, Joe. I wish I had kind of new commentary, new profound commentary over and above what we've already said. I'm largely going to be repeating myself because I'm just telling you what's on the ground. I'm very involved with new business opportunities, as is Dave. There really is no change in tone. I know that sounds ridiculous because with each passing day, we're seeing the price of Bitcoin go down by several thousand. But I want to caution. I think it was Brett who asked the question before. I want to add a note of caution, which is this is happening in real time. I do think there is going to be some form of recalibration. Oh, just how big is my investment, in particular from crypto-native types, because a lot of crypto-native types, look, not dissimilar from Bullish, they own some crypto.
Speaker #6: And I'm very involved with new business opportunities as is Dave and there really is no change in tone. And I know that sounds ridiculous because with each passing day, we're seeing the price of Bitcoin go down by several thousand.
Speaker #6: But I want to caution, I think it was Brett who asked the question before, I want to add a note of caution, which real time.
Thomas Farley: So when crypto is down 40%, when Bitcoin is down 40%, they're feeling a little less eager to go spend a lot of money on the next new project. So I expect there to be some hiccups coming out of this period of extreme volatility, but it's really kind of breaking, and it's accelerated over the last couple of weeks. We have not detected any change of tone. The good news is, on the tokenization front, I do not expect to see much moderation at all. Why? Because it works. Because it's not just the 24x7 nature of it. In fact, that's just an interesting byproduct of it. It's the ability to lend and borrow assets much more simply. It's the ability to have an immutable ledger. It's the ability to have many fewer layers of intermediaries involved in the plumbing of global financial markets.
Thomas Farley: So when crypto is down 40%, when Bitcoin is down 40%, they're feeling a little less eager to go spend a lot of money on the next new project. So I expect there to be some hiccups coming out of this period of extreme volatility, but it's really kind of breaking, and it's accelerated over the last couple of weeks. We have not detected any change of tone. The good news is, on the tokenization front, I do not expect to see much moderation at all. Why? Because it works. Because it's not just the 24x7 nature of it. In fact, that's just an interesting byproduct of it. It's the ability to lend and borrow assets much more simply. It's the ability to have an immutable ledger. It's the ability to have many fewer layers of intermediaries involved in the plumbing of global financial markets.
Speaker #6: when crypto is down 40%, when Bitcoin is down 40%, they're feeling a little less eager to go spend a lot of money on the next new project.
Speaker #6: So I expect there to be some hiccups. Coming out of this period of extreme volatility, but it's really the last couple of weeks. We have not kind of breaking and it's accelerated over detected any change of tone.
Speaker #6: The good news is on the tokenization front, I do not expect to see much moderation at all. Why? Because it works. Because it's not just the 24x7 nature of it.
Speaker #6: In fact, that's just an interesting byproduct of it. It's the ability to lend and borrow assets much more simply. It's the ability to have many fewer layers of intermediaries involved in the plumbing of global financial ability to have an immutable ledger.
Speaker #6: markets. It's the ability to allow, and this people don't talk about this as much, but some brilliant 22-year-old kid to go build using the composable nature of public blockchains to go build some new novel innovative exchanging risk, exchanging It's the titles, so on and so forth.
Thomas Farley: It's the ability to allow, and people don't talk about this as much, but some brilliant 22-year-old kid to go build, using the composable nature of public blockchains, to go build some new, novel, innovative platform that enables lending, borrowing, exchanging risk, exchanging titles, so on and so forth. That is independent from the price of Bitcoin. So we expect to see this market continue. We expect to continue to see investment. But in some corners, I think there will be some form of a slowdown, but unclear exactly what shape that will take. And for us, as I said, the pipeline is so full right now in the near term that that wouldn't be something that would have a meaningful impact.
Thomas Farley: It's the ability to allow, and people don't talk about this as much, but some brilliant 22-year-old kid to go build, using the composable nature of public blockchains, to go build some new, novel, innovative platform that enables lending, borrowing, exchanging risk, exchanging titles, so on and so forth. That is independent from the price of Bitcoin. So we expect to see this market continue. We expect to continue to see investment. But in some corners, I think there will be some form of a slowdown, but unclear exactly what shape that will take. And for us, as I said, the pipeline is so full right now in the near term that that wouldn't be something that would have a meaningful impact.
Speaker #6: from the price of That is independent platform that enables lending, borrowing, Bitcoin. to see investment. But in some So we expect to see this corners, I think there will be some form of a slowdown.
Speaker #6: Exactly what shape that will take—and for us, as I said, the pipeline is so full right now. But it's unclear. In the near term, that wouldn't be something that would have a meaningful impact.
Speaker #5: Yeah. And Joe, and I'd also just note focus and focus on the that our institutional highest quality assets in crypto. We believe may make us a little bit more insulated from negative reactions to broader crypto asset prices.
David Bonanno: Yeah, and Joe, I'd also just note that our institutional focus and focus on the highest quality assets in crypto, we believe, may make us a little bit more insulated from negative reactions to broader crypto asset prices. What we're seeing in our pipeline across the board is continued strong momentum, onboardings, bookings, and activity. We think that's probably partially and part due to our focus on institutions, high-quality assets, and crypto's most liquid assets.
David Bonanno: Yeah, and Joe, I'd also just note that our institutional focus and focus on the highest quality assets in crypto, we believe, may make us a little bit more insulated from negative reactions to broader crypto asset prices. What we're seeing in our pipeline across the board is continued strong momentum, onboardings, bookings, and activity. We think that's probably partially and part due to our focus on institutions, high-quality assets, and crypto's most liquid assets.
Speaker #5: What board is continued strong we're seeing in our pipeline across the momentum onboardings, bookings, and probably partially in part due, but to activity. our focus on institutions, high-quality We think that's liquid assets, and crypto's most assets.
Speaker #5: What board is continued strong we're seeing in our pipeline across the momentum onboardings, bookings, and probably partially in part due, but to activity. our focus on institutions, high-quality We think that's liquid assets, and crypto's most assets.
Speaker #3: Your next question comes from the line of Ed Engle.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ed Engel with Compass Point. Please go ahead.
Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Ed Engel with Compass Point. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: with Compass Point. Please go
Speaker #3: ahead. Hi.
Ed Engel: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just wondering, could you comment on maybe some of the progress you're seeing with the US launch and whether that's having any impact to volumes, whether it's in the Q4 or kind of your outlook for this year?
Ed Engel: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Just wondering, could you comment on maybe some of the progress you're seeing with the US launch and whether that's having any impact to volumes, whether it's in the Q4 or kind of your outlook for this year?
Speaker #9: Thanks for taking my question. Just you're seeing with the US launch and whether that's having any
Speaker #9: Impact to volumes, whether it's in the fourth quarter, or—kind of wondering—could you comment on maybe some of the progress, your outlook for this year?
David Bonanno: Yeah. Great, great question there, Ed. As you know, we only got our New York BitLicense about midway through Q4. And as we've previously explained and as I just referenced, our focus is on institutions, regulated entities, people handling customer funds, fiduciaries. That onboarding, testing, integration process is a several-month process. That said, we do have several active trading customers here in the United States. And most importantly, our pipeline here in the United States is the most dense pipeline we have by far of high-quality trading customers, servicing customer flow for natural buys and sells. We expect that those types of customers have a duplicative effect, maybe even possibly more than that, on our trading activity. Every time an uninformed order hits the order books, it results in at least one, two, three more trades that otherwise wouldn't have occurred.
David Bonanno: Yeah. Great, great question there, Ed. As you know, we only got our New York BitLicense about midway through Q4. And as we've previously explained and as I just referenced, our focus is on institutions, regulated entities, people handling customer funds, fiduciaries. That onboarding, testing, integration process is a several-month process. That said, we do have several active trading customers here in the United States. And most importantly, our pipeline here in the United States is the most dense pipeline we have by far of high-quality trading customers, servicing customer flow for natural buys and sells.
Speaker #6: only got our New York BIT license Yeah. Great, great question there, Ed. As you know, we about midway through the fourth quarter. And as we've previously explained, and as I just referenced, our focus is on institutions, regulated entities, people handing customer funds, fiduciaries.
Speaker #6: That onboarding testing integration process is a several-month process. That said, we do have several active trading customers here in the United States is the most dense pipeline we have by pipeline here in the United far of high-quality trading customers servicing customer flow for natural buys and sells.
David Bonanno: We expect that those types of customers have a duplicative effect, maybe even possibly more than that, on our trading activity. Every time an uninformed order hits the order books, it results in at least one, two, three more trades that otherwise wouldn't have occurred.
Speaker #6: those types of customers have a duplicative effect, maybe even possibly more than that on our trading We expect that activity every time an uninformed order hits the order two, three more trades that otherwise wouldn't have occurred.
David Bonanno: We view the volume and activity that we will be generating out of the United States, increasing throughout the year, as more additive than dollar for dollar in terms of trading volume due to the high quality of customers we're bringing on. As Tom mentioned, we're having particular success here in the US with large retail brokerages. We particularly like those customers and the mix they add to our platform. We're very excited about what the United States can bring to our exchange business.
David Bonanno: We view the volume and activity that we will be generating out of the United States, increasing throughout the year, as more additive than dollar for dollar in terms of trading volume due to the high quality of customers we're bringing on. As Tom mentioned, we're having particular success here in the US with large retail brokerages. We particularly like those customers and the mix they add to our platform. We're very excited about what the United States can bring to our exchange business.
Speaker #6: will be generating out of the United And so we States increasing throughout the year. As more additive than dollar for dollar in terms of trading volume due to the high quality of customers we're having particular success here in the US with large retail brokerages.
Speaker #6: will be generating out of the United And so we States increasing throughout the year. As more additive than dollar for dollar in terms of trading volume due to the high quality of customers we're having particular success here in the US with large retail bringing on, as Tom mentioned, we're We particularly like those customers in the mix they add to our platform.
Speaker #6: So we're very excited about what the United States can bring to our exchange business. We had hypothesis a we postulate we had a that the US would be particularly fertile for us because there's a lot of firms that have broad retail and professional trader customer classes that are wildly successful.
Thomas Farley: We had a hypothesis that the US would be particularly fertile for us because there's a lot of firms that have broad retail and professional trader customer bases in other asset classes that are wildly successful, tens of millions of customers in some cases. Many of those don't necessarily want to. They want really great flow, and they want to do it with a partner who's not in competition with them. They want to do it with a regulated partner. In other words, a partner that's actively seeking out, in our case, exchange regulation all over the world. For brand reasons, they don't necessarily want to just be dealing with one-off counterparties. That has proven to be true. That is an excellent development for us. It just takes time.
Thomas Farley: We had a hypothesis that the US would be particularly fertile for us because there's a lot of firms that have broad retail and professional trader customer bases in other asset classes that are wildly successful, tens of millions of customers in some cases. Many of those don't necessarily want to. They want really great flow, and they want to do it with a partner who's not in competition with them. They want to do it with a regulated partner. In other words, a partner that's actively seeking out, in our case, exchange regulation all over the world. For brand reasons, they don't necessarily want to just be dealing with one-off counterparties. That has proven to be true. That is an excellent development for us. It just takes time.
Speaker #6: Tens of millions of customers in some cases. bases in other asset And many of those don't necessarily want to they want really great flow.
Speaker #6: And they want to do it with a partner who's not in competition with them. And they want to do it with a regulated partner in other words, a partner that's actively seeking out, in our case, exchange world.
Speaker #6: For brand reasons, they don't necessarily want to just be regulation all over the dealing with one-off counterparties. And that has proven to be excellent development for us.
Speaker #6: It true and that is an just takes time. These are the same sort of people who are very careful about their the partners they choose.
Thomas Farley: These are the same sort of people who are very careful about the partners they choose. It's interesting. I thought our onboarding for customers was tough. The reverse onboarding that they are doing for us is even tougher. And so those things take time. But the beauty is once you've done that and they've done the work to connect to you and you've done the work to connect to them and you've proven yourself a worthy counterparty, those are decade-long or multi-decade-long relationships. So it feels good so far in the US. And as Dave said, the hope and belief and this is already happening, but the hope and belief is that over the quarters ahead, you will see incremental volume, in many cases, coming from outside the United States that is only happening because of this volume that originated inside the United States.
Thomas Farley: These are the same sort of people who are very careful about the partners they choose. It's interesting. I thought our onboarding for customers was tough. The reverse onboarding that they are doing for us is even tougher. And so those things take time. But the beauty is once you've done that and they've done the work to connect to you and you've done the work to connect to them and you've proven yourself a worthy counterparty, those are decade-long or multi-decade-long relationships. So it feels good so far in the US. And as Dave said, the hope and belief and this is already happening, but the hope and belief is that over the quarters ahead, you will see incremental volume, in many cases, coming from outside the United States that is only happening because of this volume that originated inside the United States.
Speaker #6: It's customers was tough. The reverse onboarding that they are doing for us is even tougher. And so those things take time. But the beauty is once you've done that and they've done the work to connect to you and you've done the work to connect to them and you've proven yourself a worthy counterparty, those are decade-long or interesting.
Speaker #6: I thought our onboarding for
Speaker #6: feels good so multi-decade-long relationships. far in the US. And as Dave So it said, the hope and belief, and this has already happening, quarters ahead, you will see incremental volume in many cases coming from outside the United States.
Speaker #6: That is only happening because of this volume that originated inside the United
Speaker #6: States. Again, if you would like to
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Chris Brendler: Hi. Thanks. Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the results here. I wanted to ask a follow-up on the options business. It seems like it's really hit the ground running, spooling up faster than I would have expected. I think it's actually greatly exceeding the sort of expectations that were laid out at the IPO. So I just wanted to see your thoughts there on how much that can continue. The momentum in that kind of business, I would think, would sort of beget more volume. The more liquidity you bring to your customers, the more likely they're to continue to trade with you. So how much bigger does the options business be in 2026 than maybe your expectations were three or four months ago? Thanks.
Chris Brendler: Hi. Thanks. Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the results here. I wanted to ask a follow-up on the options business. It seems like it's really hit the ground running, spooling up faster than I would have expected. I think it's actually greatly exceeding the sort of expectations that were laid out at the IPO. So I just wanted to see your thoughts there on how much that can continue.
Speaker #10: Thanks. Good morning, and thanks for taking my questions. Hi. Congrats on the results here. I wanted to ask a follow-up on the options business.
Speaker #10: It seems like it's really hit the ground running, spooling up faster than I would have expected. I think it actually greatly exceeded its expectations that were laid out at the IPO.
Speaker #10: So, I just wanted to see your thoughts there on how that—much that—but the hope and belief is that, over the—can continue.
Chris Brendler: The momentum in that kind of business, I would think, would sort of beget more volume. The more liquidity you bring to your customers, the more likely they're to continue to trade with you. So how much bigger does the options business be in 2026 than maybe your expectations were three or four months ago? Thanks.
Speaker #10: Does the momentum in that kind of business, I would think, would sort of be getting more volume? More liquidity you bring to your customers, the more likely they're to continue to trade with you.
Speaker #10: much bigger the options business be in 2026 than maybe your expectations
Speaker #10: Thanks. No, thank were three or four months ago?
Thomas Farley: No, thank you. We took a little bit of a flyer on options. Basically, we looked at the data. This was round about 15 months ago. We looked at the data, and what we saw was that crypto options was a tiny, tiny market relative to the rest of crypto. We just said, "Hey, pattern recognition, no matter where you look, US equities, global FX, global interest rate swaps, big markets, the options market in relationship to the linear market is always larger than it is in crypto. Sure feels like over time, it will grow." So we started building that, and we saw that bear out in real time. If you look at crypto options growth over the last 6 months, well greater than the growth of the linear market. That trend that we bet on actually came to fruition.
Thomas Farley: No, thank you. We took a little bit of a flyer on options. Basically, we looked at the data. This was round about 15 months ago. We looked at the data, and what we saw was that crypto options was a tiny, tiny market relative to the rest of crypto. We just said, "Hey, pattern recognition, no matter where you look, US equities, global FX, global interest rate swaps, big markets, the options market in relationship to the linear market is always larger than it is in crypto. Sure feels like over time, it will grow." So we started building that, and we saw that bear out in real time. If you look at crypto options growth over the last 6 months, well greater than the growth of the linear market. That trend that we bet on actually came to fruition.
Speaker #6: you. We took a little bit of a flyer on options. Basically, we looked at the data and this was roundabout 15 months ago. And we looked at the data and what we saw was that crypto options was a tiny, tiny market relative to the rest of crypto.
Speaker #6: We just said, 'Hey, pattern recognition—no matter where you look: US equities, global FX, global interest and rate swaps, big markets—the options market is always larger than it is in crypto.'
Speaker #6: It sure feels like, over time, it will grow. And so we started building that, and we saw that bear out in real time. So if you look at crypto options growth over the last six months, it's well greater than the growth of the linear market.
Speaker #6: So that trend that we bet on actually came to fruition. But there were other competitors. There's kind of five or six notable competitors in crypto.
Thomas Farley: But there were other competitors. There's kind of five or six notable competitors in crypto. And so we just said, "Hey, we're going to do the best we can. We're going to stick to what we know, which is let's go after institutions in a regulated setting. But importantly, let's do it with one global order book. Let's do it with one account." So when a customer signs up with us, they don't have to hook to five different matching engines in different locales to trade different products. There's no confusion like that. Just write to our API or trade on our screen. In one account, you can have spot, options, and futures with one global order book. Order books don't like to be split. That's why the New York Stock Exchange for 200 years, it was the only place you could trade Coca-Cola stock.
Thomas Farley: But there were other competitors. There's kind of five or six notable competitors in crypto. And so we just said, "Hey, we're going to do the best we can. We're going to stick to what we know, which is let's go after institutions in a regulated setting. But importantly, let's do it with one global order book. Let's do it with one account." So when a customer signs up with us, they don't have to hook to five different matching engines in different locales to trade different products. There's no confusion like that. Just write to our API or trade on our screen. In one account, you can have spot, options, and futures with one global order book. Order books don't like to be split. That's why the New York Stock Exchange for 200 years, it was the only place you could trade Coca-Cola stock.
Speaker #6: And so we just said, "Hey, we're going to do the best we can. We're going to stick to what market in relationship to the linear we know, which is let's go after institutions in a regulated setting." But importantly, let's do it with one global order book.
Speaker #6: signs up with us, they don't have to hook to Let's do it with one account. So when a customer five different matching engines in different locales to trade different products.
Speaker #6: There's no confusion like that. Just write to our API or trade on our have spot, options, and futures. With one global order book. screen in one account.
Speaker #6: the New York Stock Exchange for 200 years, it was the only place you could trade Coca-Cola You can stock. Markets want to occur in a single global order book because that's where you get the deepest liquidity.
Thomas Farley: Markets want to occur in a single global order book because that's where you get the deepest liquidity. So we stuck to our knitting. We built exactly that. And the exciting byproduct we got from that is it gets really easy to provide significant margin offsets where we're still protecting the sanctity of the clearing operation that we run. But because it's all in one global account, we can provide the maximum offset for the customer. So we have kind of ripped through the competition. And we've passed numbers 6, 5, 4, 3. We're now 2, we hope and believe, on our way to number 1. Stay tuned. It's not a promise. But it's all moving the right direction. Open interest is up to the right. Volumes are up to the right. Customer counts are up to the right.
Thomas Farley: Markets want to occur in a single global order book because that's where you get the deepest liquidity. So we stuck to our knitting. We built exactly that. And the exciting byproduct we got from that is it gets really easy to provide significant margin offsets where we're still protecting the sanctity of the clearing operation that we run. But because it's all in one global account, we can provide the maximum offset for the customer. So we have kind of ripped through the competition. And we've passed numbers 6, 5, 4, 3. We're now 2, we hope and believe, on our way to number 1. Stay tuned. It's not a promise. But it's all moving the right direction. Open interest is up to the right. Volumes are up to the right. Customer counts are up to the right.
Speaker #6: So we stuck to our knitting. We built exactly that. And the exciting byproduct we got from that is it gets really easy to provide significant margin offsets where we're still Order books don't like to be split. protecting the sanctity of the clearing operation that we run.
Speaker #6: So we stuck to our knitting. We built exactly that. And the exciting byproduct we got from that is it gets really easy to provide significant margin offsets where we're still Order books don't like to be split.
Speaker #6: But because it's all in one global account, we can provide the maximum offset for the customer. So we have kind of ripped through the 6543.
Speaker #6: Now, 2. We hope and believe in competition, and we've passed our way to number 1. Stay—we're tuned. It's not a promise, but it's all moving in the right direction.
Speaker #6: Open interest is up to the right. Volumes are up to the right. Customer counts are up to the right. And we think that this market, to answer your question directly in terms of growth, we think there's a lot of growth left, not that's a minority of it.
Thomas Farley: We think that this market, to answer your question directly in terms of growth, we think there's a lot of growth left, not just market share growth. In fact, we think that's a minority of it. We think it's more about options growth in crypto, which is still relatively immature.
Thomas Farley: We think that this market, to answer your question directly in terms of growth, we think there's a lot of growth left, not just market share growth. In fact, we think that's a minority of it. We think it's more about options growth in crypto, which is still relatively immature.
Speaker #6: We think it's more about options growth in crypto which is just market share growth. still relatively In fact, we think
Speaker #6: immature.
Speaker #3: There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Tom Farley for closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Tom Farley for closing remarks.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I'll now turn the call back over to Tom Farley for closing remarks.
Speaker #6: Everyone, we believe we're at a turning point here for digital That's why assets. Notwithstanding the extreme volatility we're aware of that as well. Yes.
Thomas Farley: Everyone, we believe we're at a turning point here for digital assets, notwithstanding the extreme volatility. We're aware of that as well, yes. But notwithstanding that or the cyclical nature, this vision of faster, better, cheaper, permissionless capital, it's happening. It's being unlocked. We're seeing the examples. A market structure bill will only turbocharge that, will ensure that we bring all these global markets on-chain. Frankly, that's why Dave and I are here at Bullish. That's why we're super excited, slightly less excited on days when Bitcoin's down by several thousand. But we came here for that, that vision, and we've positioned Bullish for this moment. So we hope you'll be there with us. We appreciate you being on this call and listening to the story and what's clearly a hectic day, and a hectic couple of months here.
Thomas Farley: Everyone, we believe we're at a turning point here for digital assets, notwithstanding the extreme volatility. We're aware of that as well, yes. But notwithstanding that or the cyclical nature, this vision of faster, better, cheaper, permissionless capital, it's happening. It's being unlocked. We're seeing the examples. A market structure bill will only turbocharge that, will ensure that we bring all these global markets on-chain. Frankly, that's why Dave and I are here at Bullish. That's why we're super excited, slightly less excited on days when Bitcoin's down by several thousand. But we came here for that, that vision, and we've positioned Bullish for this moment. So we hope you'll be there with us. We appreciate you being on this call and listening to the story and what's clearly a hectic day, and a hectic couple of months here.
Speaker #6: But notwithstanding that, or the cyclical nature, this vision of faster, better, cheaper, permissionless capital—it's happening. It's being unlocked. And we're seeing the bill will only turbocharge examples: a market structure that—
Speaker #6: We'll ensure that we bring all these global markets on chain. And frankly, that's why Dave and And that's why we're super excited slightly less excited on Dave's when Bitcoin's down by several thousand.
Speaker #6: But I are here at Bullish. we came here for that. That vision and we've positioned Bullish for this moment and so we hope you'll be there with us.
Speaker #6: And we appreciate you being on this call and listening to the story and what's clearly a hectic day and a hectic couple of months here.
Speaker #6: Thank you, everyone, and have a great day.
Thomas Farley: Thank you, everyone, and have a great day.
Thomas Farley: Thank you, everyone, and have a great day.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.
