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Q4 2025 Galaxy Digital Holdings Ltd Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good morning, and welcome to the Galaxy Digital 4th quarter 2025 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Galaxy Digital Q4 2025 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jonathan Gudowski, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to the Galaxy Digital Q4 2025 earnings call. Today's call is being recorded. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad, and to withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jonathan Gudowski, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Speaker #1: To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two.
Speaker #1: At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Jonathan Goldowsky, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: sir. Good morning and welcome
Jonathan Goldowsky: Good morning, and welcome to Galaxy's Q4 and full year 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that our remarks, including answers to your questions, may include forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those described in these statements as a result of various factors, including those identified in the disclaimers in our earnings release or other filings, which have been filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission and on SEDAR Plus. Forward-looking statements speak only as of today and will not be updated. Additionally, we may discuss references to non-GAAP metrics, the reconciliations of which can also be found in our earnings release. Finally, none of the information on this call constitutes a recommendation, solicitation, or offer by Galaxy or its affiliates to buy or sell any securities. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Galaxy.
Jonathan Goldowsky: Good morning, and welcome to Galaxy's Q4 and full year 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that our remarks, including answers to your questions, may include forward-looking statements. Actual results could differ materially from those described in these statements as a result of various factors, including those identified in the disclaimers in our earnings release or other filings, which have been filed with the US Securities and Exchange Commission and on SEDAR Plus. Forward-looking statements speak only as of today and will not be updated. Additionally, we may discuss references to non-GAAP metrics, the reconciliations of which can also be found in our earnings release. Finally, none of the information on this call constitutes a recommendation, solicitation, or offer by Galaxy or its affiliates to buy or sell any securities. With that, I'll turn it over to Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO of Galaxy.
Speaker #2: to Galaxy's fourth quarter and full year 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, please note that our remarks, including answers to your questions, may include forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: Actual results could differ materially from those described in these statements as a result of various factors, including those identified in the disclaimers in our earnings release or other filings, which have been filed with the U.S.
Speaker #2: Securities and Exchange Commission and on Cedar Plus. Forward-looking statements speak only as of today and will not be updated. Additionally, we may discuss references to non-GAAP metrics, the reconciliations of which can also be found in our earnings release.
Speaker #2: Finally, none of the information on this call constitutes a recommendation, solicitation, or offer by Galaxy or its affiliates to buy or sell any securities.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn it over to Mike Novogratz, founder and CEO of Galaxy.
Speaker #3: And good morning, everybody. We're a New York City. We've got ice in the Hudson. Still chilly out here. Listen, I think about this quarter and our year a lot.
Mike Novogratz: Hey, good morning, everybody. We're New York City. We've got ice in the Hudson. Still chilly out here. Listen, I think about this quarter and our year a lot, and I thought in a perfect Dickensian way, that this is a tale of three cities, not two cities. So I'm gonna start with the shiny one. Listen, our data center business, I couldn't be more excited for it. We're now over 1.6 gigawatts of improved capacity. If you haven't followed our stock as closely as I think you have, we got 830 megawatts of additional power approved recently. I wanna give a shout-out to the state of Texas. They've proven to be great to do business with.
Michael Novogratz: Hey, good morning, everybody. We're New York City. We've got ice in the Hudson. Still chilly out here. Listen, I think about this quarter and our year a lot, and I thought in a perfect Dickensian way, that this is a tale of three cities, not two cities. So I'm gonna start with the shiny one. Listen, our data center business, I couldn't be more excited for it. We're now over 1.6 gigawatts of improved capacity. If you haven't followed our stock as closely as I think you have, we got 830 megawatts of additional power approved recently. I wanna give a shout-out to the state of Texas. They've proven to be great to do business with.
Speaker #3: And I thought in a perfect Dickinsonian way that this is a tale of three cities. Not two cities. And so I'm going to start with the shiny one.
Speaker #3: Listen, our data center business—I couldn't be more excited for it. We're now over 1.6 gigawatts of approved capacity. If you haven't followed our stock as closely as I think you have, we got 830 megawatts of additional power approved recently.
Speaker #3: I want to give a shout-out to the state of Texas. They've proven to be great to do business with. I literally have got an extra set of cowboy boots every month.
Mike Novogratz: I literally have got an extra set of cowboy boots every month. And so we're excited. Listen, there is not a lot of 830-MW new sites of power being granted in the United States. We are engaging with potential tenants and, you know, hopefully in the next, you know, period of time, have news on who's gonna occupy that site. At the same time, we've got over 1,000 employees or 1,000 workers, I should say, they're not employees, building out the site for CoreWeave. We hope to have, or we will have, our first data halls delivered by the end of Q1. And so the data center business will start cash flowing, you know, quite quickly.
I literally have got an extra set of cowboy boots every month. And so we're excited. Listen, there is not a lot of 830-MW new sites of power being granted in the United States. We are engaging with potential tenants and, you know, hopefully in the next, you know, period of time, have news on who's gonna occupy that site. At the same time, we've got over 1,000 employees or 1,000 workers, I should say, they're not employees, building out the site for CoreWeave. We hope to have, or we will have, our first data halls delivered by the end of Q1. And so the data center business will start cash flowing, you know, quite quickly.
Speaker #3: And so we're excited. Listen, there are not a lot of 830-megawatt new sites of power being granted in the United States. We are engaging with potential tenants and hopefully in the next period of time have news on who's going to occupy that site.
Speaker #3: At the same time, we've got over 1,000 employees—or 1,000 workers, I should say; they're not employees—building out the site for CoreWeave. We hope to have, or we will have, our first data halls delivered by the end of Q1.
Speaker #3: And so the data center business will start cash flowing quite quickly. On top of that, we're engaged in conversations with other sites, both in Texas and in another state.
Mike Novogratz: On top of that, you know, we're engaged in conversations with other sites, both in Texas and in other states. And so, the data center business is growing. It is a macro environment still where the demand for power is strong. You see that in everywhere you're reading and looking. It's usually the same five or six major players, but underneath that, there are a whole lot of other players that are, you know, building out data centers themselves. And so couldn't be more bullish on the data center business. You know, the crypto business or the digital assets business, that itself is a tale of two cities. You know, both internally at Galaxy and broadly macro. So macro-wise, you have the crypto coins, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, you name them, have been in a bear market.
On top of that, you know, we're engaged in conversations with other sites, both in Texas and in other states. And so, the data center business is growing. It is a macro environment still where the demand for power is strong. You see that in everywhere you're reading and looking. It's usually the same five or six major players, but underneath that, there are a whole lot of other players that are, you know, building out data centers themselves. And so couldn't be more bullish on the data center business. You know, the crypto business or the digital assets business, that itself is a tale of two cities. You know, both internally at Galaxy and broadly macro. So macro-wise, you have the crypto coins, Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, you name them, have been in a bear market.
Speaker #3: And so the data center business is growing. It is a macro environment still where the demand for power is strong. You see that everywhere you're reading and looking.
Speaker #3: It's usually the same five or six major players. But underneath that, there are a whole lot of other players that are building out data centers themselves.
Speaker #3: And so couldn't be more bullish on the data center business. You know, the crypto business or the digital assets business, that itself is a tale of two cities.
Speaker #3: You know, both internally at Galaxy and broadly, macro-wise. So, macro-wise, you have the crypto coins—Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, you name them—have been in a bear market.
Mike Novogratz: When we cracked 100 in Bitcoin, there was a lot of price action above that. Ever since then, I thought it's been in a, you know, 75 to 100 range. We're at the lower end of that range right now. If you had told me a year ago with gold at the highs and Nasdaq at the highs and a very friendly administration, that we would be lower, I'd have said, "No way." So when that happens, you gotta think through what, what's gone on. I think there's a lot that's gone on. I think people got excited over 100,000 and felt like the race was won. You know, all the hard work over 15 years to get there.
Speaker #3: When we cracked 100 in Bitcoin, there was a lot of price action above that. Ever since then, I've thought it's been in a, you know, 75 to 100 range where at the lower end of that range right now, if you had told me a year ago with gold at the highs and Nasdaq at the highs, and a very friendly administration that we would be lower, I'd have said no way.
When we cracked 100 in Bitcoin, there was a lot of price action above that. Ever since then, I thought it's been in a, you know, 75 to 100 range. We're at the lower end of that range right now. If you had told me a year ago with gold at the highs and Nasdaq at the highs and a very friendly administration, that we would be lower, I'd have said, "No way." So when that happens, you gotta think through what, what's gone on. I think there's a lot that's gone on. I think people got excited over 100,000 and felt like the race was won. You know, all the hard work over 15 years to get there.
Speaker #3: And so, when that happens, you’ve got to think through what’s gone on. And I think there’s a lot that’s gone on. I think people got excited over $100,000 and felt like the race was won.
Speaker #3: You know, all the hard work over 15 years to get there. Felt like some relief that the community had done something so amazing and that somehow allowed people to take profit.
Mike Novogratz: Felt like some relief that the community had done something so amazing, and that somehow allowed people to take profit, and then that profit-taking became a bit of a virus. And so we are distributing a lot of those HODLed coins into new buyers. And I learned early on, as a trader, prices are set at the margin. Obviously, there have been more sellers than buyers, and the question just is when to stop. You know, do we find sellers' exhaustion at one point? And what are the catalysts to turn it around? I do think we're at the lower end of the range, and what I would say is we've been here before.
Felt like some relief that the community had done something so amazing, and that somehow allowed people to take profit, and then that profit-taking became a bit of a virus. And so we are distributing a lot of those HODLed coins into new buyers. And I learned early on, as a trader, prices are set at the margin. Obviously, there have been more sellers than buyers, and the question just is when to stop. You know, do we find sellers' exhaustion at one point? And what are the catalysts to turn it around? I do think we're at the lower end of the range, and what I would say is we've been here before.
Speaker #3: And then that profit taking became a bit of a virus. And so we are distributing a lot of those huddled coins into new buyers.
Speaker #3: And I learned early on as a trader, prices are set at the margin. Obviously, there have been more sellers than buyers. And the question just is when to stop.
Speaker #3: You know, do we find seller's exhaustion at one point? And what are the catalysts to turn it around? I do think we're at the lower end of the range.
Speaker #3: And what I would say is we've been here before. Anyone who's been in crypto for more than five years realized that part of the ethos of this whole industry is pain.
Mike Novogratz: Anyone who's been in crypto for more than five years realize that part of the ethos of this whole industry is pain, and that often, when things feel worse, it's time to be very focused and potentially accumulating or at least getting prepared to, because when the tide turns, it turns quick. Potential catalysts are if we finally pass this crypto legislation here in the US. We just got a new Fed governor; we can talk about that later. He is not as dovish as people had hoped, right?
Anyone who's been in crypto for more than five years realize that part of the ethos of this whole industry is pain, and that often, when things feel worse, it's time to be very focused and potentially accumulating or at least getting prepared to, because when the tide turns, it turns quick. Potential catalysts are if we finally pass this crypto legislation here in the US. We just got a new Fed governor; we can talk about that later. He is not as dovish as people had hoped, right?
Speaker #3: And that often, when things feel worse, it's time to be very focused and potentially accumulating or at least getting prepared to. Because when the tide turns—and it turns quick—potential catalysts are if we finally pass this crypto legislation here in the US. We just got a new Fed governor.
Speaker #3: We can talk about that later. He is not as dovish as people had hoped, right? You were hoping that you were going to get someone who would do the president's bidding.
Mike Novogratz: You were hoping that you were gonna get someone who would do the president's bidding, and I think the market reaction, both in precious metals and in crypto, was telling and was a nod of recognition to Kevin Warsh, as a man of integrity. That said, the budget deficit is still 6.5%, our debt is $40 trillion, and the broad story that brought people into Bitcoin as a store of value, as a digital gold, is intact. And so we certainly haven't given up on our bullishness around the long-term prospects of crypto. So our balance sheet took a hit in Q4. In some ways, it was unfortunately the mirror of Q3, where we had a great balance sheet and gave a lot of that back.
You were hoping that you were gonna get someone who would do the president's bidding, and I think the market reaction, both in precious metals and in crypto, was telling and was a nod of recognition to Kevin Warsh, as a man of integrity. That said, the budget deficit is still 6.5%, our debt is $40 trillion, and the broad story that brought people into Bitcoin as a store of value, as a digital gold, is intact. And so we certainly haven't given up on our bullishness around the long-term prospects of crypto. So our balance sheet took a hit in Q4. In some ways, it was unfortunately the mirror of Q3, where we had a great balance sheet and gave a lot of that back.
Speaker #3: And I think the market reaction, both in precious metals and in crypto, was telling. And it was a nod of recognition to Kevin Warsh as a man of integrity.
Speaker #3: That said, the budget deficit is still 6.5%. Our debt is $40 trillion. And the broad story that brought people into Bitcoin as a store of value, as a digital gold, is intact.
Speaker #3: And so we certainly haven't given up on our bullishness around the long-term prospects of crypto. So our balance sheet took a hit in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #3: In some ways, it was unfortunately the mirror of the third quarter, where we had a great balance sheet and gave a lot of that back.
Mike Novogratz: Our underlying business, however, again, back to my tale of two cities within crypto, has had a great year, right? We did over $500 million in operating revenue, and so again, strip out the balance sheet, Galaxy's digital assets business is a big business. It's got a great brand. We've got great relationships with a lot of institutional customers. We had record trading volumes. Our loan book has grown immensely, $12 billion of assets on our platform. And so I feel really good about our overall business, and, you know, I would say neutral to getting ready to hopefully feel bullish about the overall crypto market. The last thing I'd say is, there's a very big and exciting bull market in what I call blockchain plumbing or digital asset plumbing, right?
Speaker #3: Our underlying business, however, again, back to my tale of two cities within crypto, has had a great year, right? We did over $500 million in operating revenue.
Our underlying business, however, again, back to my tale of two cities within crypto, has had a great year, right? We did over $500 million in operating revenue, and so again, strip out the balance sheet, Galaxy's digital assets business is a big business. It's got a great brand. We've got great relationships with a lot of institutional customers. We had record trading volumes. Our loan book has grown immensely, $12 billion of assets on our platform. And so I feel really good about our overall business, and, you know, I would say neutral to getting ready to hopefully feel bullish about the overall crypto market. The last thing I'd say is, there's a very big and exciting bull market in what I call blockchain plumbing or digital asset plumbing, right?
Speaker #3: And so again, strip out the balance sheet, Galaxy's digital assets business is a big business. It's got a great brand. We've got great relationships with a lot of institutional customers.
Speaker #3: We had record trading volumes. Our loan book has grown immensely. We now have $12 billion of assets on our platform, and so I feel really good about our overall business.
Speaker #3: And you know, I would say neutral to getting ready to hopefully feel bullish about the overall crypto market. The last thing I'd say is there's a very big and exciting bull market in what I call blockchain plumbing.
Speaker #3: Our digital asset plumbing, right? Even before the passage of this market structure bill, every trade by institution that we're in touch with is figuring out in a much, much quicker pace how they're going to participate in this transition to a digital world.
Mike Novogratz: Even before the passage of this market structure bill, every TradFi institution that we're in touch with is figuring out, in a much, much quicker pace, how they're gonna participate in this transition to a digital world, where wallets replace accounts. And so you read about the, kind of the stablecoin debates that are going on in DC. Hopefully, in the next, you know, period of time, we're gonna have some big announcements about, you know, different endeavors we're taking with TradFi companies. But Galaxy sees ourselves as a partner for lots of these people. We're gonna partner with some. We sit in our office, we're like, "Are they a collaborator or a competitor or a client," right? They're a little bit of all of them, and so that's a bull market for us.
Even before the passage of this market structure bill, every TradFi institution that we're in touch with is figuring out, in a much, much quicker pace, how they're gonna participate in this transition to a digital world, where wallets replace accounts. And so you read about the, kind of the stablecoin debates that are going on in DC. Hopefully, in the next, you know, period of time, we're gonna have some big announcements about, you know, different endeavors we're taking with TradFi companies. But Galaxy sees ourselves as a partner for lots of these people. We're gonna partner with some. We sit in our office, we're like, "Are they a collaborator or a competitor or a client," right? They're a little bit of all of them, and so that's a bull market for us.
Speaker #3: Where wallets replace accounts. And so you read about the kind of the stablecoin debates that are going on in D.C. Hopefully, in the next period of time, we're going to have some big announcements about different endeavors we're taking with TradFi companies.
Speaker #3: But Galaxy sees ourselves as a partner for lots of these people. We're going to partner with some. We sit in our office and we're like, are they a collaborator, or a competitor, or a client, right?
Speaker #3: They're a little bit of all of them. And so that's a bull market. For us. And it feels that way. And so you know, we could go into a period where the old business doesn't do as well.
Mike Novogratz: And it feels that way. And so, you know, we could go into a period where the old business doesn't do as well, but you're building into the new business. And what is that new business? That new business is gonna be more on-chain stuff, but it's gonna be traditional assets that use crypto rails. You already see it. There's a protocol called XYZ, which trades on the Hyperliquid platform, and full disclosure, we are long Hyperliquid. That is doing $4 billion of revenue already. It did 4% of the CME volume in silver. And so as we see assets that are traditionally not trading on blockchain rails shift to the blockchain, we think that's, you know, ripe opportunity for Galaxy and for the whole space.
And it feels that way. And so, you know, we could go into a period where the old business doesn't do as well, but you're building into the new business. And what is that new business? That new business is gonna be more on-chain stuff, but it's gonna be traditional assets that use crypto rails. You already see it. There's a protocol called XYZ, which trades on the Hyperliquid platform, and full disclosure, we are long Hyperliquid. That is doing $4 billion of revenue already. It did 4% of the CME volume in silver. And so as we see assets that are traditionally not trading on blockchain rails shift to the blockchain, we think that's, you know, ripe opportunity for Galaxy and for the whole space.
Speaker #3: But you're building into the new business. And what is that new business? That new business is going to be more on-chain stuff, but it's going to be traditional assets that use crypto rails.
Speaker #3: You already see it. There's a protocol called XYZ, which trades on the Hyperliquid platform in full disclosure. We are long Hyperliquid. That is doing $4 billion of revenue already.
Speaker #3: It did 4% of the CME volume in silver. And so as we see assets that are traditionally not trading on blockchain rails shift to the blockchain, we think that's ripe opportunity for Galaxy and for the whole space.
Speaker #3: So with that, I will say I'm hoping that Chris or Tony has a literary metaphor for their piece. And I'm going to pass the ball.
Mike Novogratz: So with that, I will say, I'm hoping that Chris or Tony has a literary metaphor for their piece, and I'm gonna pass the ball.
So with that, I will say, I'm hoping that Chris or Tony has a literary metaphor for their piece, and I'm gonna pass the ball.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Mike. And thanks everyone for joining us on the call today. It's my pleasure to present the results for Q4 and full year 2025 before turning it over to Chris to provide a little more context on the data centers.
Tony Paquette: Thanks, Mike. Thanks, everyone, for joining us on the call today. It's my pleasure to present the results for Q4 and full year 2025, before turning it over to Chris to provide a little more context on the data centers. First, starting with our full year 2025, we reported a GAAP net loss of $241 million or $0.61 per share. These results were impacted by approximately $160 million in one-time items that occurred earlier in the year, including write-downs and other expenses related to our legacy Bitcoin mining infrastructure, costs tied to our US listing and corporate reorganization, and a negative mark-to-market adjustment on the embedded derivative associated with our exchangeable notes, which no longer impacts results following our Q2 2025 reorganization.
Tony Paquette: Thanks, Mike. Thanks, everyone, for joining us on the call today. It's my pleasure to present the results for Q4 and full year 2025, before turning it over to Chris to provide a little more context on the data centers. First, starting with our full year 2025, we reported a GAAP net loss of $241 million or $0.61 per share. These results were impacted by approximately $160 million in one-time items that occurred earlier in the year, including write-downs and other expenses related to our legacy Bitcoin mining infrastructure, costs tied to our US listing and corporate reorganization, and a negative mark-to-market adjustment on the embedded derivative associated with our exchangeable notes, which no longer impacts results following our Q2 2025 reorganization.
Speaker #2: First, starting with our full year 2025, we reported a gap net loss of $241 million or 61 cents per share. These results were impacted by approximately $160 million in one-time items that occurred early in the earlier in the year, including write-downs and other expenses related to our legacy Bitcoin mining infrastructure, costs tied to our US listing and corporate reorganization, and a negative mark-to-market adjustment on the embedded derivative associated with our exchangeable notes, which no longer impacts results following our Q2 2025 reorganization.
Speaker #2: Despite these non-recurring charges, our business delivered $34 million of adjusted EBITDA in 2025. This performance came against the backdrop of a 10% decline in the total crypto market cap, driven by a 24% drop in Q4.
Tony Paquette: Despite these non-recurring charges, our business delivered $34 million of adjusted EBITDA in 2025. This performance came against the backdrop of a 10% decline in the total crypto market cap, driven by a 24% drop in Q4... This profitable performance also underscores the growing scale of our business and the increasing contribution of recurring fee and transaction-oriented revenue within our earnings mix. In our digital assets operating segment, we generated record adjusted gross profit of $505 million in the year, up from $303 million in 2024, representing a 67% year-over-year growth, an acceleration that reflects both operating leverage and the strength of our diversified business model. Growth was broad-based, with strong contributions across trading, investment banking, lending, asset management, and staking.
Despite these non-recurring charges, our business delivered $34 million of adjusted EBITDA in 2025. This performance came against the backdrop of a 10% decline in the total crypto market cap, driven by a 24% drop in Q4... This profitable performance also underscores the growing scale of our business and the increasing contribution of recurring fee and transaction-oriented revenue within our earnings mix. In our digital assets operating segment, we generated record adjusted gross profit of $505 million in the year, up from $303 million in 2024, representing a 67% year-over-year growth, an acceleration that reflects both operating leverage and the strength of our diversified business model. Growth was broad-based, with strong contributions across trading, investment banking, lending, asset management, and staking.
Speaker #2: This profitable performance also underscores the growing scale of our business and the increasing contribution of recurring fee and transaction-oriented revenue within our earnings mix.
Speaker #2: In our digital assets operating segment, we generated record-adjusted gross profit of $505 million in the year, up from $303 in 2024, representing a 67% year-over-year growth.
Speaker #2: An acceleration that reflects both operating leverage and the strength of our diversified business model. Growth was broad-based, with strong contributions across trading, investment banking, lending, asset management, and staking.
Speaker #2: In Treasury and Corporate, we reported an adjusted gross loss of $86 million in 2025, primarily reflecting the unrealized losses in our digital asset and investment portfolio during the year as a result of lower digital asset prices.
Tony Paquette: In treasury and corporate, we reported an adjusted gross loss of $86 million in 2025, primarily reflecting the unrealized losses in our digital asset and investment portfolio during the year as a result of lower digital asset prices. In data centers, as we've discussed previously, we expect financial results in this segment to remain de minimis until we begin recognizing revenue under phase one of our CoreWeave lease agreement, which we expect to start later in Q1. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the year with 11.3 billion in total assets and over $3 billion in equity capital, with roughly 60% allocated to our operating businesses.
In treasury and corporate, we reported an adjusted gross loss of $86 million in 2025, primarily reflecting the unrealized losses in our digital asset and investment portfolio during the year as a result of lower digital asset prices. In data centers, as we've discussed previously, we expect financial results in this segment to remain de minimis until we begin recognizing revenue under phase one of our CoreWeave lease agreement, which we expect to start later in Q1. Turning to the balance sheet. We ended the year with 11.3 billion in total assets and over $3 billion in equity capital, with roughly 60% allocated to our operating businesses.
Speaker #2: In data centers, as we've discussed previously, we expect financial results in this segment to remain de minimis until we begin recognizing revenue under phase one of our CoreWeave lease agreement, which we expect to start later in Q1.
Speaker #2: Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the year with $11.3 billion in total assets and over $3 billion in equity capital, with roughly 60% allocated to our operating businesses.
Speaker #2: That mix will fluctuate quarter over quarter with movements in our treasury portfolio, but as stated previously, over time we expect the percentage of allocated to our operating businesses to increase as we scale across both digital assets and data centers.
Tony Paquette: That mix will fluctuate quarter-over-quarter with movements in our treasury portfolio, but as stated previously, over time, we expect the percentage of allocated to our operating businesses to increase as we scale across both digital assets and data centers. Within treasury and corporate, we held approximately $1.7 billion of net digital assets and investments at year-end, down 22% quarter-over-quarter. That decline primarily reflects market depreciation, as Mike discussed, which resulted in unrealized losses across our investment portfolio. We also closed the year with $2.6 billion of cash and stablecoins on balance sheet, up approximately $700 million from Q3.
That mix will fluctuate quarter-over-quarter with movements in our treasury portfolio, but as stated previously, over time, we expect the percentage of allocated to our operating businesses to increase as we scale across both digital assets and data centers. Within treasury and corporate, we held approximately $1.7 billion of net digital assets and investments at year-end, down 22% quarter-over-quarter. That decline primarily reflects market depreciation, as Mike discussed, which resulted in unrealized losses across our investment portfolio. We also closed the year with $2.6 billion of cash and stablecoins on balance sheet, up approximately $700 million from Q3.
Speaker #2: Within Treasury and Corporate, we held approximately $1.7 billion of net digital assets and investments at year-end, down 22% quarter over quarter. That decline primarily reflects market depreciation, as Mike discussed, which resulted in unrealized losses across our investment portfolio.
Speaker #2: We also closed the year with $2.6 billion of cash and stablecoins. On balance sheet, up approximately $700 million from Q3. That increase reflects two strategic capital raises in Q4.
Tony Paquette: That increase reflects two strategic capital raises in Q4, a $1.3 billion exchangeable note issuance, and a $325 million equity investment in Galaxy by one of the world's largest asset managers, which together resulted in approximately $1.6 billion of net proceeds to the company. Cash raised in Q4 went to two primary uses: continued investments in data center infrastructure to ensure we stay on track for upcoming data hall deliveries and paying down short-term borrowings. Going forward, uses will be focused on continued data center build, as well as general corporate purposes, including ensuring sufficient liquidity for the potential repayment of the $445 million of exchangeable notes that mature in December 2026.
That increase reflects two strategic capital raises in Q4, a $1.3 billion exchangeable note issuance, and a $325 million equity investment in Galaxy by one of the world's largest asset managers, which together resulted in approximately $1.6 billion of net proceeds to the company. Cash raised in Q4 went to two primary uses: continued investments in data center infrastructure to ensure we stay on track for upcoming data hall deliveries and paying down short-term borrowings. Going forward, uses will be focused on continued data center build, as well as general corporate purposes, including ensuring sufficient liquidity for the potential repayment of the $445 million of exchangeable notes that mature in December 2026.
Speaker #2: A $1.3 billion exchangeable note issuance and a $325 million equity investment in Galaxy by one of the world's largest asset managers, which together resulted in approximately $1.6 billion of net proceeds to the company.
Speaker #2: Cash raised in Q4 went to two primary uses: continued investments in data center infrastructure to ensure we stay on track for upcoming data halt deliveries, and paying down short-term borrowings.
Speaker #2: Going forward, uses will be focused on continued data center build, as well as general corporate purposes, including ensuring sufficient liquidity for the potential repayment of the $445 million of exchangeable notes that mature in December 2026.
Speaker #2: Maintaining disciplined risk and balance sheet management, focused on strong capital and liquidity, remains a critical priority as we execute our multi-pronged growth strategy across digital assets and data centers.
Tony Paquette: Maintaining disciplined risk and balance sheet management focused on strong capital and liquidity remains a critical priority as we execute our multipronged growth strategy across digital assets and data centers. Now shifting to our digital assets business. As Mike mentioned, Q4 reflected lower digital asset prices, softer sentiment, and reduced activity industry-wide. Coming off a record Q3, that shift was more pronounced, but we maintained strong client engagement throughout the quarter. In our global markets business, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $30 million in Q4, bringing our full year global markets adjusted gross profit to $423 million, up 88% year-over-year. Our average loan book held steady at $1.8 billion, despite broader market pressures, which is a strong indication of the business resilience and sustained client demand.
Maintaining disciplined risk and balance sheet management focused on strong capital and liquidity remains a critical priority as we execute our multipronged growth strategy across digital assets and data centers. Now shifting to our digital assets business. As Mike mentioned, Q4 reflected lower digital asset prices, softer sentiment, and reduced activity industry-wide. Coming off a record Q3, that shift was more pronounced, but we maintained strong client engagement throughout the quarter. In our global markets business, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $30 million in Q4, bringing our full year global markets adjusted gross profit to $423 million, up 88% year-over-year. Our average loan book held steady at $1.8 billion, despite broader market pressures, which is a strong indication of the business resilience and sustained client demand.
Speaker #2: Now shifting to our digital assets business. Q4, as Mike mentioned, Q4 reflected lower digital asset prices, softer sentiment, and reduced activity industry-wide. Coming off a record Q3, that shift was more pronounced, but we maintained strong client engagement throughout the quarter.
Speaker #2: In our global markets business, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $30 million in Q4, bringing our full-year global markets adjusted gross profit to $423 million, up 88% year over year.
Speaker #2: Our average loan book held steady at $1.8 billion, despite broader market pressures, which is a strong indication of the business resilience and sustained client demand.
Speaker #2: Digital asset trading volumes declined approximately 40% quarter over quarter, largely reflecting softer client activity on the back of a record Q3 and lower industry-wide volumes.
Tony Paquette: Digital asset trading volumes declined approximately 40% quarter over quarter, largely reflecting softer client activity on the back of a record Q3 and lower industry-wide volumes. That said, we're starting to see capital formation migrate onto blockchain rails, and we're deeply engaged with some of the world's largest banks, asset managers, and hedge funds across everything from credit and on-chain markets to electronic trading and ETF create redeem workflows. For a quick update on Galaxy One, we're continuing to make progress here as well. While it's still early days, we're encouraged by the momentum we've seen over the first 4 months since our launch. We've seen strong adoption of our high-yield products, which offer market-leading yield and serve as a compelling entry point into Galaxy One. We've also been listening closely to our user feedback on what they want from their accounts.
Digital asset trading volumes declined approximately 40% quarter over quarter, largely reflecting softer client activity on the back of a record Q3 and lower industry-wide volumes. That said, we're starting to see capital formation migrate onto blockchain rails, and we're deeply engaged with some of the world's largest banks, asset managers, and hedge funds across everything from credit and on-chain markets to electronic trading and ETF create redeem workflows. For a quick update on Galaxy One, we're continuing to make progress here as well. While it's still early days, we're encouraged by the momentum we've seen over the first 4 months since our launch. We've seen strong adoption of our high-yield products, which offer market-leading yield and serve as a compelling entry point into Galaxy One. We've also been listening closely to our user feedback on what they want from their accounts.
Speaker #2: That said, we're starting to see capital formation migrate onto blockchain rails, and we're deeply engaged with some of the world's largest banks, asset managers, and hedge funds across everything from credit and on-chain markets to electronic trading and ETF redeem workflows.
Speaker #2: For a quick update on Galaxy One, we're continuing to make progress here as well. While it's still early days, we're encouraged by the momentum we've seen over the first four months since our launch.
Speaker #2: We've seen strong adoption of our high-yield products, which offer market-leading yield and serve as a compelling entry point into Galaxy One. We've also been listening closely to our user feedback on what they want from their accounts.
Speaker #2: That's already led to the launch of Daily Buys, more accessible account minimums, and in-app staking and custody, which are coming soon. Now turning to asset management and infrastructure solutions, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $21 million in Q4 and $82 million in 2025, up roughly 5% year over year.
Tony Paquette: That's already led to the launch of daily buys, more accessible account minimums, and in-app staking and custody, which are coming soon. Now, turning to asset management and infrastructure solutions, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $21 million in Q4 and $82 million in 2025, up roughly 5% year-over-year. Galaxy ended Q4 with $12 billion in assets on platform, down approximately 15% quarter-over-quarter, reflecting the impact of digital asset price depreciation. While overall flows were more muted in Q4, we continued to expand our product suite to meet the needs of our clients. We partnered with Invesco to launch the Invesco Galaxy Solana ETP. We collaborated with State Street Global Advisors to tokenize a private liquidity fund, which is a step forward toward broader adoption of tokenized investment vehicles.
That's already led to the launch of daily buys, more accessible account minimums, and in-app staking and custody, which are coming soon. Now, turning to asset management and infrastructure solutions, we delivered adjusted gross profit of $21 million in Q4 and $82 million in 2025, up roughly 5% year-over-year. Galaxy ended Q4 with $12 billion in assets on platform, down approximately 15% quarter-over-quarter, reflecting the impact of digital asset price depreciation. While overall flows were more muted in Q4, we continued to expand our product suite to meet the needs of our clients. We partnered with Invesco to launch the Invesco Galaxy Solana ETP. We collaborated with State Street Global Advisors to tokenize a private liquidity fund, which is a step forward toward broader adoption of tokenized investment vehicles.
Speaker #2: Galaxy ended Q4 with $12 billion in assets on platform, down approximately 15% quarter over quarter, reflecting the impact of digital asset price depreciation. While overall flows were more muted in Q4, we continued to expand our product suite to meet the needs of our clients.
Speaker #2: We partnered with Invesco to launch the Invesco Galaxy Solana ETP, we collaborated with State Street Global Advisors to tokenize a private liquidity fund, which is a step forward toward broader adoption of tokenized investment vehicles, and post-quarter-end we announced the initial closing of our debut tokenized CLO, a major step towards building a tokenized credit platform.
Tony Paquette: And post-quarter end, we announced the initial closing of our debut tokenized CLO, a major step towards building a tokenized credit platform. On the infrastructure solution side, in Q4, we completed our fifth integration with a leading custodian and closed the acquisition of Alluvial Finance. This acquisition marks a key milestone, bringing us into liquid staking, which we see as essential for institutional adoption, given its capital efficiency and alignment with broader DeFi and yield strategies. In all, Galaxy's digital asset business made significant strides in 2025, with momentum building both strategically and operationally.... In global markets, we delivered record trading volumes, including executing one of the largest notional Bitcoin transactions in digital asset history, and a record average loan book size.
And post-quarter end, we announced the initial closing of our debut tokenized CLO, a major step towards building a tokenized credit platform. On the infrastructure solution side, in Q4, we completed our fifth integration with a leading custodian and closed the acquisition of Alluvial Finance. This acquisition marks a key milestone, bringing us into liquid staking, which we see as essential for institutional adoption, given its capital efficiency and alignment with broader DeFi and yield strategies. In all, Galaxy's digital asset business made significant strides in 2025, with momentum building both strategically and operationally.... In global markets, we delivered record trading volumes, including executing one of the largest notional Bitcoin transactions in digital asset history, and a record average loan book size.
Speaker #2: And on the infrastructure solutions side, in Q4 we completed our fifth integration with a leading custodian and closed the acquisition of Alluvial Finance. This acquisition marks a key milestone, bringing us into liquid staking, which we see as essential for institutional adoption given its capital efficiency and alignment with broader DeFi and yield strategies.
Speaker #2: In all, Galaxy's digital asset business made significant strides in 2025, with momentum building both strategically and operationally. In global markets, we delivered record trading volumes, including executing one of the largest notional Bitcoin transactions in digital asset history, and a record average loan book size.
Speaker #2: Asset management rolled out several new ETF and alternative investment products and delivered $2 billion of net inflows during the year, representing a 30% organic growth.
Tony Paquette: Asset Management rolled out several new ETF and alternative investment products and delivered 2 billion of net inflows during the year, representing 30% organic growth. In infrastructure solutions, we grew our assets under stake by $750 million and scaled our platform, deepening access for clients and solidifying Galaxy's position in institutional workflows. As we head into 2026, we're building with a clear focus, aligning the momentum in digital assets with the long-term needs of our clients. Across our platform, we're seeing deeper engagement, not just access seeking, but demand for infrastructure, product, and partnership. As Mike said, the line between traditional and digital finance is disappearing, and we're designing for where institutional demand is going, not where it's been.
Asset Management rolled out several new ETF and alternative investment products and delivered 2 billion of net inflows during the year, representing 30% organic growth. In infrastructure solutions, we grew our assets under stake by $750 million and scaled our platform, deepening access for clients and solidifying Galaxy's position in institutional workflows. As we head into 2026, we're building with a clear focus, aligning the momentum in digital assets with the long-term needs of our clients. Across our platform, we're seeing deeper engagement, not just access seeking, but demand for infrastructure, product, and partnership. As Mike said, the line between traditional and digital finance is disappearing, and we're designing for where institutional demand is going, not where it's been.
Speaker #2: And in infrastructure solutions, we grew our assets under stake by $750 million and scaled our platform, deepening access for clients and solidifying Galaxy's position in institutional workflows.
Speaker #2: As we head into 2026, we're building with a clear focus, aligning the momentum in digital assets with the long-term needs of our clients. Across our platform, we're seeing deeper engagement—not just access-seeking, but demand for infrastructure, product, and partnership.
Speaker #2: As Mike said, the line between traditional and digital finance is disappearing, and we're designing for where institutional demand is going, not where it's been.
Speaker #2: We're meeting that moment with a unified strategy, scaling structured products like our tokenized CLO, launching targeted investment strategies such as our newly formed fintech fund, and delivering on-chain solutions built for institutional scale.
Tony Paquette: We're meeting that moment with a unified strategy, scaling structured products like our tokenized CLO, launching targeted investment strategies, such as our newly formed Fintech fund, and delivering on-chain solutions built for institutional scale. We've also realigned our leadership and operating teams behind this strategy, enhancing coordination across product, infrastructure, and go-to-market as we serve increasingly sophisticated institutional clients who are looking for integrated solutions across our platform. This is where Galaxy, Galaxy stands apart, investing ahead of the curve with technology, foundation, and operational strength to be a full stack partner through this transition. Despite the recent pullback in crypto prices, we enter the year with conviction and the platform to lead. With that, let me turn it over to Chris to discuss the data center business.
We're meeting that moment with a unified strategy, scaling structured products like our tokenized CLO, launching targeted investment strategies, such as our newly formed Fintech fund, and delivering on-chain solutions built for institutional scale. We've also realigned our leadership and operating teams behind this strategy, enhancing coordination across product, infrastructure, and go-to-market as we serve increasingly sophisticated institutional clients who are looking for integrated solutions across our platform. This is where Galaxy, Galaxy stands apart, investing ahead of the curve with technology, foundation, and operational strength to be a full stack partner through this transition. Despite the recent pullback in crypto prices, we enter the year with conviction and the platform to lead. With that, let me turn it over to Chris to discuss the data center business.
Speaker #2: We've also realigned our leadership and operating teams behind this strategy, enhancing coordination across product, infrastructure, and go-to-market as we serve increasingly sophisticated institutional clients who are looking for integrated solutions across our platform.
Speaker #2: This is where Galaxy stands apart—investing ahead of the curve with technology, foundation, and operational strength to be a full-stack partner through this transition.
Speaker #2: Despite the recent pullback in crypto prices, we enter the year with conviction and the platform to lead. With that, let me turn it over to Chris to discuss the data center business.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Tony, and Mike. I would normally go with we are John Gault, but I think today we're going to go with go West Young Man and grow with the country.
Chris Ferraro: Thanks, Tony and Mike. I would normally go with, We are John Galt, but I think today we're going to go with, go west, young man, and grow with the country. I could not be more pleased to share that subsequent to quarter end, we completed a large load interconnect study and received approval from ERCOT for an additional 830MW of power capacity at the Helios campus. This approval more than doubles Helios' footprint of approved power capacity and represents a significant milestone in the long-term expansion of our flagship campus. With 800MW now contracted under our lease agreement with CoreWeave, this recent approval of incremental capacity expands our leasing optionality, providing additional power that can be allocated to existing or new tenants during a period of intense demand for large-scale AI data center capacity.
Chris Ferraro: Thanks, Tony and Mike. I would normally go with, We are John Galt, but I think today we're going to go with, go west, young man, and grow with the country. I could not be more pleased to share that subsequent to quarter end, we completed a large load interconnect study and received approval from ERCOT for an additional 830MW of power capacity at the Helios campus. This approval more than doubles Helios' footprint of approved power capacity and represents a significant milestone in the long-term expansion of our flagship campus. With 800MW now contracted under our lease agreement with CoreWeave, this recent approval of incremental capacity expands our leasing optionality, providing additional power that can be allocated to existing or new tenants during a period of intense demand for large-scale AI data center capacity.
Speaker #2: I could not be more pleased to share that subsequent to quarter end, we completed a large load interconnect study and received approval from ERCOT for an additional $830 megawatts of power capacity at the Helios campus.
Speaker #2: This approval more than doubles Helios' footprint of approved power capacity and represents a significant milestone in the long-term expansion of our flagship campus. With 800 megawatts now contracted under our lease agreement with CoreWeave, this recent approval of incremental capacity expands our leasing optionality, providing additional power that can be allocated to existing or new tenants during a period of intense demand for large-scale AI data center capacity.
Speaker #2: The timeline to energize the next 830 megawatts of capacity will depend on several factors, including the completion of certain approved transmission infrastructure, including a private substation.
Chris Ferraro: The timeline to energize the next 830 megawatts of capacity will depend on several factors, including the completion of certain approved transmission infrastructure, including a private substation. Based on current procurement and construction schedules, we expect to begin energizing this additional capacity in late 2028 through early 2029. With more than 1.6 gigawatts of approved power capacity, Helios is among the largest AI data center campuses currently under development and is projected to be the largest known 100% front-of-the-meter data center campus. We continue to pursue ambitious expansion plans. Beyond the capacity already approved, we have two applications totaling approximately 1.8 gigawatts of incremental requests progressing through various stages of the load study process.
The timeline to energize the next 830 megawatts of capacity will depend on several factors, including the completion of certain approved transmission infrastructure, including a private substation. Based on current procurement and construction schedules, we expect to begin energizing this additional capacity in late 2028 through early 2029. With more than 1.6 gigawatts of approved power capacity, Helios is among the largest AI data center campuses currently under development and is projected to be the largest known 100% front-of-the-meter data center campus. We continue to pursue ambitious expansion plans. Beyond the capacity already approved, we have two applications totaling approximately 1.8 gigawatts of incremental requests progressing through various stages of the load study process.
Speaker #2: Based on current procurement and construction schedules, we expect to begin energizing this additional capacity in late 2028 through early 2029. With more than 1.6 gigawatts of approved power capacity, Helios is among the largest AI data center campuses currently under development and is projected to be the largest known 100% front-of-the-meter data center campus.
Speaker #2: We continue to pursue ambitious expansion plans. Beyond the capacity already approved, we have two applications totaling approximately 1.8 gigawatts of incremental requests progressing through various stages of the load study process.
Speaker #2: We are actively engaged with ERCOT and closely following guidance on the timelines and requirements under the new batch process, and we're encouraged by the continued evolution and increased clarity of those procedures.
Chris Ferraro: We are actively engaged with ERCOT and closely following guidance on the timelines and requirements under the new batch process, and we're encouraged by the continued evolution and increased clarity of those procedures. Turning to construction. We're prepared to deliver the first data hall to CoreWeave later in Q1 as part of our phase one project, and remain on track to deliver the remaining data halls, representing the full 133MW of critical IT for phase one within the first half of the year. In order to make this possible, the team has been incredibly busy. In Q4, the building was completely dried in, meaning the structure was fully enclosed and protected from the elements, allowing us to proceed efficiently with interior work regardless of weather conditions.
We are actively engaged with ERCOT and closely following guidance on the timelines and requirements under the new batch process, and we're encouraged by the continued evolution and increased clarity of those procedures. Turning to construction. We're prepared to deliver the first data hall to CoreWeave later in Q1 as part of our phase one project, and remain on track to deliver the remaining data halls, representing the full 133MW of critical IT for phase one within the first half of the year. In order to make this possible, the team has been incredibly busy. In Q4, the building was completely dried in, meaning the structure was fully enclosed and protected from the elements, allowing us to proceed efficiently with interior work regardless of weather conditions.
Speaker #2: Turning to construction, we're prepared to deliver the first data hall to CoreWeave later in Q1 as part of our phase one project, and remain on track to deliver the remaining data halls, representing the full 133 megawatts of critical IT for phase one, within the first half of the year.
Speaker #2: In order to make this possible, the team has been incredibly busy. In the fourth quarter, the building was completely dried in, meaning the structure was fully enclosed and protected from the elements, allowing us to proceed efficiently with interior work regardless of weather conditions.
Speaker #2: All generators and E-houses to support the first data hall are fully set in place, and importantly, every major component required to energize that first data hall is on site and installed.
Chris Ferraro: All generators and E-houses to support the first data hall are fully set in place, and importantly, every major component required to energize that first data hall is on-site and installed. With materials in position, we transition into commissioning. As a reminder, commissioning is a multilevel process that validates the electrical and mechanical infrastructure is installed, configured, and operating correctly. We began commissioning activities in Q4 and have continued moving through the process. Recently, severe winter weather swept across much of the country, including Texas, as Winter Storm Fern and heavy snow and ice moved through the region. During that period, construction was temporarily paused as several inches of snow and ice accumulated across the campus. Even so, the team responded quickly and decisively, protecting critical mechanical equipment and preparing the site for rapid restart.
All generators and E-houses to support the first data hall are fully set in place, and importantly, every major component required to energize that first data hall is on-site and installed. With materials in position, we transition into commissioning. As a reminder, commissioning is a multilevel process that validates the electrical and mechanical infrastructure is installed, configured, and operating correctly. We began commissioning activities in Q4 and have continued moving through the process. Recently, severe winter weather swept across much of the country, including Texas, as Winter Storm Fern and heavy snow and ice moved through the region. During that period, construction was temporarily paused as several inches of snow and ice accumulated across the campus. Even so, the team responded quickly and decisively, protecting critical mechanical equipment and preparing the site for rapid restart.
Speaker #2: With materials in position, we transition into commissioning. As a reminder, commissioning is a multi-level process that validates the electrical and mechanical infrastructure is installed, configured, and operating correctly.
Speaker #2: We began commissioning activities in the fourth quarter and have continued moving through the process. Recently, severe winter weather swept across much of the country, including Texas, as winter storm Fern and heavy snow and ice moved through the region.
Speaker #2: During that period, construction was temporarily paused as several inches of snow and ice accumulated across the campus. Even so, the team responded quickly and decisively.
Speaker #2: Protecting critical mechanical equipment and preparing the site for rapid restart. Within five days of the storm, more than 1,000 subcontractors were back on site, and construction resumed.
Chris Ferraro: Within five days of the storm, more than 1,000 subcontractors were back on site and construction resumed. We remain on track to turn over the first data hall in Q1, with the remaining data halls coming online by the end of Q2. Looking ahead, we've kicked off earth, concrete, and steelwork associated with our phase two development of the Helios campus. We've issued purchase orders to secure critical long lead equipment to support the additional building development that will house the 260MW of incremental critical IT capacity for phase two. Overall, execution remains strong, construction is tracking well, and Helios continues to transition from a large-scale construction project into an operational AI data center campus, positioning us to be recognized as one of the few companies that has proven its ability to execute on a hyperscale AI data center development.
Within five days of the storm, more than 1,000 subcontractors were back on site and construction resumed. We remain on track to turn over the first data hall in Q1, with the remaining data halls coming online by the end of Q2. Looking ahead, we've kicked off earth, concrete, and steelwork associated with our phase two development of the Helios campus. We've issued purchase orders to secure critical long lead equipment to support the additional building development that will house the 260MW of incremental critical IT capacity for phase two. Overall, execution remains strong, construction is tracking well, and Helios continues to transition from a large-scale construction project into an operational AI data center campus, positioning us to be recognized as one of the few companies that has proven its ability to execute on a hyperscale AI data center development.
Speaker #2: We remain on track to turn over the first data hall in the first quarter with the remaining data halls coming online by the end of the second quarter.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead, we've kicked off Earth, Concrete, and Steel work associated with our phase two development of the Helios campus. We've issued purchase orders to secure critical long lead equipment to support the additional building development that will house the 260 megawatts of incremental critical IT capacity for phase two.
Speaker #2: Overall, execution remains strong. Construction is tracking well, and Helios continues to transition from a large-scale construction project into an operational AI data center campus, positioning us to be recognized as one of the few companies that has proven its ability to execute in a hyperscale AI data center development.
Speaker #2: Turning briefly to phase two financing, we're continuing to evaluate various debt financing structures and are having productive conversations with a select number of potential partners.
Chris Ferraro: Turning briefly to phase two financing. We're continuing to evaluate various debt financing structures and are having productive conversations with a select number of potential partners. Our focus is on maintaining a disciplined capital structure that supports long-term scalability at Helios. Scaling Helios is just the first step in our vision of building Galaxy's data center business into a multi-gigawatt, multi-tenant, multi-campus platform. Beyond Helios, we continue to evaluate a robust pipeline of expansion opportunities across a range of possible developments. We've evaluated more than 100 campuses across the US, including many in Texas, giving our deep familiarity with ERCOT and existing development footprint. At the same time, we are actively exploring additional markets where power availability, permitting timelines, and grid dynamics may offer more attractive paths to accelerate time to power.
Turning briefly to phase two financing. We're continuing to evaluate various debt financing structures and are having productive conversations with a select number of potential partners. Our focus is on maintaining a disciplined capital structure that supports long-term scalability at Helios. Scaling Helios is just the first step in our vision of building Galaxy's data center business into a multi-gigawatt, multi-tenant, multi-campus platform. Beyond Helios, we continue to evaluate a robust pipeline of expansion opportunities across a range of possible developments. We've evaluated more than 100 campuses across the US, including many in Texas, giving our deep familiarity with ERCOT and existing development footprint. At the same time, we are actively exploring additional markets where power availability, permitting timelines, and grid dynamics may offer more attractive paths to accelerate time to power.
Speaker #2: Our focus is on maintaining a disciplined capital structure that supports long-term scalability at Helios. Scaling Helios is just the first step in our vision of building Galaxy's data center business into a multi-gigawatt, multi-tenant, multi-campus platform.
Speaker #2: Beyond Helios, we continue to evaluate a robust pipeline of expansion opportunities across a range of possible developments. We've evaluated more than 100 campuses across the US, including many in Texas, giving our deep familiarity with ERCOT and existing development footprint.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we are actively exploring additional markets where power availability, permitting timelines, and grid dynamics may offer more attractive paths to accelerate time to power.
Speaker #2: We're seeing tremendous opportunities to scale the business, and we'll be focused on that growth in a measured and disciplined manner. We're entering 2026 now from a position of strength.
Chris Ferraro: We're seeing tremendous opportunities to scale the business, and we'll be focused on that growth in a measured and disciplined manner. We're entering 2026 now from a position of strength. We've laid the foundation, physically, operationally, and organizationally, to transition Helios from construction into an operating campus. The work over the past year has been about preparation and precision. The work ahead is about execution and scale. In starting off 2026 by doubling the approved capacity, power capacity at Helios Campus and preparing to power on our first data center development, we expect this year will be a pivotal one as we continue to relentlessly execute on our plans. We are confident in the team, the strategy, and the progress we've made, and we're excited about what 2026 will bring for Helios and for Galaxy. Now, back to the operator for questions. Thank you all.
We're seeing tremendous opportunities to scale the business, and we'll be focused on that growth in a measured and disciplined manner. We're entering 2026 now from a position of strength. We've laid the foundation, physically, operationally, and organizationally, to transition Helios from construction into an operating campus. The work over the past year has been about preparation and precision. The work ahead is about execution and scale. In starting off 2026 by doubling the approved capacity, power capacity at Helios Campus and preparing to power on our first data center development, we expect this year will be a pivotal one as we continue to relentlessly execute on our plans. We are confident in the team, the strategy, and the progress we've made, and we're excited about what 2026 will bring for Helios and for Galaxy. Now, back to the operator for questions. Thank you all.
Speaker #2: We've laid the foundation—physically, operationally, and organizationally—to transition Helios from construction into an operating campus. The work over the past year has been about preparation and precision.
Speaker #2: The work ahead is about execution and scale. In starting off 2026 by doubling the approved capacity, power capacity at Helios campus, and preparing to power on our first data center development, we expect this year will be a pivotal one as we continue to relentlessly execute on our plans.
Speaker #2: We are confident in the team, the strategy, and the progress we've made, and we're excited about what 2026 will bring for Helios and for Galaxy.
Speaker #2: Now, back to the operator for questions. Thank you
Speaker #2: all. Thank you.
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Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed, and you'd like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note, once your question has been addressed, we will be moving on to the next caller. If you have more than one question, please rejoin the question queue as needed. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Today's first question comes from Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #1: And today's first question comes from Patrick Moley with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: ahead. Yes, good
[Analyst] (Piper Sandler): Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Mike, maybe to start things off, would love to get your thoughts on everything that's been going on in Washington around the crypto market structure bill. What are you hearing about the chances that bill passes? Is this a bill that you think is necessary to kinda advance that, you know, transformation of the digital asset plumbing this year? And then as you look at the bill as it sits today, what aspects are you most excited for as it relates to Galaxy's business? Thanks.
Patrick Moley: Yes, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. Mike, maybe to start things off, would love to get your thoughts on everything that's been going on in Washington around the crypto market structure bill. What are you hearing about the chances that bill passes? Is this a bill that you think is necessary to kinda advance that, you know, transformation of the digital asset plumbing this year? And then as you look at the bill as it sits today, what aspects are you most excited for as it relates to Galaxy's business? Thanks.
Speaker #2: Morning. Thanks for making the question. Mike, maybe to start things off, would love to get your thoughts on everything that's been going on in Washington around the crypto market structure bill.
Speaker #2: What are you hearing about the chances that bill passes? Is this a bill that you think is necessary to kind of advance that transformation of the digital asset plumbing this year?
Speaker #2: And then, as you look at the bill as it sits today, what aspects are you most excited for as it relates to Galaxy's business?
Speaker #2: Thanks.
Mike Novogratz: Yeah, great question. First, I would say, we have spent a lot of time on this. We've got a great team in DC. I have been down myself a bunch, and have literally spent more time with senators, both on the left and the right, in the last eight weeks than I have in my life combined. I guess the top line is, I think a deal gets done. If you had to put a percentage on it, I would say it's 75-80% right now. And that's for a bunch of reasons. Both parties feel a necessity to get it done, right? The Republicans kind of took all this crypto money and ran, that they were gonna be the party of crypto and get stuff done, and so they have a tremendous amount of pressure on their side.
Michael Novogratz: Yeah, great question. First, I would say, we have spent a lot of time on this. We've got a great team in DC. I have been down myself a bunch, and have literally spent more time with senators, both on the left and the right, in the last eight weeks than I have in my life combined. I guess the top line is, I think a deal gets done. If you had to put a percentage on it, I would say it's 75-80% right now. And that's for a bunch of reasons. Both parties feel a necessity to get it done, right? The Republicans kind of took all this crypto money and ran, that they were gonna be the party of crypto and get stuff done, and so they have a tremendous amount of pressure on their side.
Speaker #3: question. First, I would say we have spent a lot of time on this, we've got a great team in DC, I have been down myself a bunch and have literally spent more time with senators both on the left and the right in the last eight weeks than I have in my life combined.
Speaker #3: I guess the top line is, I think a deal gets done. If you had to put a percentage on it, I would say it's 75, 80% right now.
Speaker #3: And that's for a bunch of reasons. Both parties feel the necessity to get it done. The Republicans kind of took all this crypto money and ran, saying that they were going to be the party of crypto.
Speaker #3: And get stuff done. And so they have a tremendous amount of pressure on their side. And quite frankly, the Democrats realized last election cycle that being anti-crypto was a really dumb political strategy.
Mike Novogratz: And quite frankly, Democrats realized last election cycle that being anti-crypto was a really dumb political strategy. And, you know, the whole party didn't have enough knowledge about crypto. It was really being driven by a small faction led by Elizabeth Warren, Gary Gensler. You've heard that story. But broadly, the moderates in the party now say, "Hey, this should be a bipartisan issue, and we want it off the table politically." And so the politics lines up. I would say, you know, we're on the putting green between the Republican version and the Democratic version. There have been a couple of really controversial pieces to it. I think there's agreement now on most of those, the last one being interest on stablecoin. And there was a meeting in DC yesterday. Both sides laid out their cases again.
And quite frankly, Democrats realized last election cycle that being anti-crypto was a really dumb political strategy. And, you know, the whole party didn't have enough knowledge about crypto. It was really being driven by a small faction led by Elizabeth Warren, Gary Gensler. You've heard that story. But broadly, the moderates in the party now say, "Hey, this should be a bipartisan issue, and we want it off the table politically." And so the politics lines up. I would say, you know, we're on the putting green between the Republican version and the Democratic version. There have been a couple of really controversial pieces to it. I think there's agreement now on most of those, the last one being interest on stablecoin. And there was a meeting in DC yesterday. Both sides laid out their cases again.
Speaker #3: And the whole party didn't have enough knowledge about crypto. It was really being driven by a small faction, led by Elizabeth Warren, Gary Gensler—you've heard that story.
Speaker #3: But broadly, the moderates in the party now say, hey, this should be a bipartisan issue. And we want it off the table politically. And so the politics lines up.
Speaker #3: I would say we're on the putting green, between the Republican version and the Democratic version. There have been a couple of really controversial pieces to it.
Speaker #3: I think there's agreement now on most of those. The last one being interest on stablecoins. And there was a meeting in D.C. yesterday. Both sides laid out their cases again.
Mike Novogratz: The White House is putting pressure and say: Guys, you're gonna come up with a solution yourselves. And I do think the crypto industry, you know, when you think about it, the revolutionary, transformative technology would be an interest-bearing stablecoin. That's not gonna happen. Some version of that and no interest is gonna be the compromise. And so I do think we'll get to a compromise in the next, you know, 2 to 6 weeks, and you'll get a bill passed. It's important for a lot of reasons. I said earlier, all the trade buy companies are already working on their transition, right, to where... I mean, listen, BlackRock says, "I want every market, you know, on-chain," and you're seeing a bunch of on-chain activity, both in sandboxes and actually on public chains.
Speaker #3: The White House is putting pressure and saying, guys, you're going to come up with a solution yourselves. And I do think the crypto industry, when you think about it, the revolutionary, transformative technology would be an interest-bearing stablecoin.
The White House is putting pressure and say: Guys, you're gonna come up with a solution yourselves. And I do think the crypto industry, you know, when you think about it, the revolutionary, transformative technology would be an interest-bearing stablecoin. That's not gonna happen. Some version of that and no interest is gonna be the compromise. And so I do think we'll get to a compromise in the next, you know, 2 to 6 weeks, and you'll get a bill passed. It's important for a lot of reasons. I said earlier, all the trade buy companies are already working on their transition, right, to where... I mean, listen, BlackRock says, "I want every market, you know, on-chain," and you're seeing a bunch of on-chain activity, both in sandboxes and actually on public chains.
Speaker #3: That's not going to happen. Some version of that, and no interest, is going to be the compromise. And so I do think we'll get to a compromise in the next two to six weeks, and you'll get a bill passed.
Speaker #3: It's important for a lot of reasons. I said earlier, all the trade fight companies are already working on their transition to where—I mean, listen, while Akin says, 'I want every market on chain,' and you're seeing a bunch of on-chain activity both in sandboxes and actually on public chains.
Mike Novogratz: That's gonna wildly accelerate post the clarity that comes with the Clarity bill. And so, you know, DeFi is a space to watch, right? How DeFi impacts the traditional exchanges. I already talked about both Hyperliquid and XYZ, and just the explosive growth those things have. There's a regulatory arm in that, right? They have less overhead if they have a different regulatory environment. Very similar, quite frankly, to what we're seeing with prediction markets, traditional gambling, and sports betting. And so I do think that's like the flag, the checkered flag going down. I think there's a lot of trade buy companies that probably feel short, and so you'll see a pickup in M&A post that bill passing.
Speaker #3: That's going to wildly accelerate post the clarity that comes with the clarity bill. And so DeFi is a space to watch. How DeFi impacts the traditional exchanges.
That's gonna wildly accelerate post the clarity that comes with the Clarity bill. And so, you know, DeFi is a space to watch, right? How DeFi impacts the traditional exchanges. I already talked about both Hyperliquid and XYZ, and just the explosive growth those things have. There's a regulatory arm in that, right? They have less overhead if they have a different regulatory environment. Very similar, quite frankly, to what we're seeing with prediction markets, traditional gambling, and sports betting. And so I do think that's like the flag, the checkered flag going down. I think there's a lot of trade buy companies that probably feel short, and so you'll see a pickup in M&A post that bill passing.
Speaker #3: I already talked about both Hyperliquid and XYZ and just the explosive growth those things have. A, there's a regulatory arm in that. They have less overhead if they have a different regulatory environment.
Speaker #3: Very similar, quite frankly, to what we're seeing with prediction markets and traditional gambling and sports betting. And so I do think that's like the flag—the checkered flag—going down.
Speaker #3: I think there’s a lot of trade fight companies that probably feel short. And so you’ll see a pickup in M&A post that bill passing.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Brett Novogratz for Sheryl. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Brett Knoblauch, Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Brett Knoblauch, Cantor Fitzgerald. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Hi, guys. This is Garethon for Brett. I was just wondering if you could go into kind of the future potential buildout at Helios? So I know you guys recently talked about the incremental $830 megawatts with ERCOT.
[Analyst] (Cantor Fitzgerald): ... guys, this is Gareth on for Brett. I was just wondering if you could go into kind of the future potential build-out at Helios. So I know you guys recently talked about the incremental 830 megawatts with ERCOT. We were wondering if throughout that study, you could provide kind of how it went and if there were any glaring constraints. And also, I know you talked about kind of two applications totaling 1.8 gigawatts in process. Maybe if you could kind of touch on if you think that process to go similarly with this incremental 830 you just received.
Gareth Gacetta: ... guys, this is Gareth on for Brett. I was just wondering if you could go into kind of the future potential build-out at Helios. So I know you guys recently talked about the incremental 830 megawatts with ERCOT. We were wondering if throughout that study, you could provide kind of how it went and if there were any glaring constraints. And also, I know you talked about kind of two applications totaling 1.8 gigawatts in process. Maybe if you could kind of touch on if you think that process to go similarly with this incremental 830 you just received.
Speaker #4: We were wondering if throughout that study, you could provide kind of how it went and if there were any glaring constraints. And also, I know you talked about kind of two applications totaling $1.8 gigawatts in process.
Speaker #4: Maybe if you could kind of touch on if you think that process will go similarly with this incremental $830 you just received.
Speaker #2: Sure. I will—yeah, I'll take the first crack at that. So we have had, between the prior interconnect requests put in from the Helios campus that we purchased from Argo...
Chris Ferraro: Sure. Yeah, I'll take the first crack at that. So, you know, we have had between the prior interconnect request put in from the Helios campus that we purchased from Argo back in 2022, plus some incremental interconnect requests that we've accumulated through land acquisitions adjacent to Helios. We've had north of 3.5 gigawatts in total, 800 approved, plus the remaining amount with ERCOT at various stages of either internal study on our side or study with ERCOT and yet to get done.
Chris Ferraro: Sure. Yeah, I'll take the first crack at that. So, you know, we have had between the prior interconnect request put in from the Helios campus that we purchased from Argo back in 2022, plus some incremental interconnect requests that we've accumulated through land acquisitions adjacent to Helios. We've had north of 3.5 gigawatts in total, 800 approved, plus the remaining amount with ERCOT at various stages of either internal study on our side or study with ERCOT and yet to get done.
Speaker #2: Back in 2022, plus some incremental interconnect requests that we've accumulated through land acquisitions adjacent to Helios. We've had north of $3.5 gigawatts in total or $800 approved plus the remaining amount with ERCOT at various stages of either internal study on our side or study with ERCOT and WET.
Speaker #2: To get done. The $830 that we received firm approval for ERCOT was part of actually a larger request that ultimately ERCOT, in looking at where we were in the queue and the current grid capacity at the time, concluded through various stages of study that the grid could accept an additional $830 megawatts today, which is what we got firm approval for.
Chris Ferraro: The 830 that we received firm approval for, for ERCOT, was part of actually a larger request that ultimately ERCOT, in looking at where we were in the queue and the current grid capacity at the time, concluded, through various stages of study, that the grid could accept an additional 830MW today, which is what we got firm approval for. As I said in my comments, we currently have various different studies and requests into ERCOT for an incremental 1.8GW on top of now our 1.6GW, that is, that is already over 1.6GW, that's already approved.
The 830 that we received firm approval for, for ERCOT, was part of actually a larger request that ultimately ERCOT, in looking at where we were in the queue and the current grid capacity at the time, concluded, through various stages of study, that the grid could accept an additional 830MW today, which is what we got firm approval for. As I said in my comments, we currently have various different studies and requests into ERCOT for an incremental 1.8GW on top of now our 1.6GW, that is, that is already over 1.6GW, that's already approved.
Speaker #2: We, as I said in my comments, we currently have various different studies and requests into ERCOT for an incremental $1.8 gigawatts on top of now our $1.6 that is already over $1.6 that's already approved.
Chris Ferraro: That 1.8 gigawatts of incremental load, which is different than our 830 that we just received, is now very clearly gonna be part of a new set of frameworks that ERCOT has worked out and is still sort of working through, which is this batch processing, where they're gonna look at various batches of requests, given how large the queue has grown in ERCOT for requests, and sort of look at groups of requests together, and in each group, look at what the grid can absorb today, where those requests are coming, what infrastructure upgrades need to be made, and then sort of pro rata part out new approvals in a step-by-step process.
Speaker #2: That 1.8 gigawatts of incremental load is now very clearly—which is different than our $830 million that we just received—is now very clearly going to be part of a new set of frameworks that ERCOT has worked out and is still sort of working through.
That 1.8 gigawatts of incremental load, which is different than our 830 that we just received, is now very clearly gonna be part of a new set of frameworks that ERCOT has worked out and is still sort of working through, which is this batch processing, where they're gonna look at various batches of requests, given how large the queue has grown in ERCOT for requests, and sort of look at groups of requests together, and in each group, look at what the grid can absorb today, where those requests are coming, what infrastructure upgrades need to be made, and then sort of pro rata part out new approvals in a step-by-step process.
Speaker #2: This is batch processing, where they're going to look at various batches of requests, given how large the queue has grown in ERCOT for requests, and sort of look at groups of requests together. In each group, they'll look at what the grid can absorb today, where those requests are coming from, what infrastructure upgrades need to be made, and then sort of pro rata part out new approvals in a step-by-step process.
Speaker #2: And so it's a little the timing on the next incremental load approvals for us or anyone else in the queue is still a little unknown and we think is going to take a lot of time for ERCOT to really sort out the process on.
Chris Ferraro: It's a little uncertain, the timing on the next incremental load approvals for us or anyone else in the queue is still a little unknown, and we think it's gonna take a lot of time for ERCOT to really sort out the process on. And so, you know, from our seat, getting the 830 in one large chunk, fully approved from us before the new batch process is in place, was sort of worth its weight for us. And so we're very excited about that. I think on a go-forward basis, us and everyone else in the queue are gonna have a number of new processes to go through.
It's a little uncertain, the timing on the next incremental load approvals for us or anyone else in the queue is still a little unknown, and we think it's gonna take a lot of time for ERCOT to really sort out the process on. And so, you know, from our seat, getting the 830 in one large chunk, fully approved from us before the new batch process is in place, was sort of worth its weight for us. And so we're very excited about that. I think on a go-forward basis, us and everyone else in the queue are gonna have a number of new processes to go through.
Speaker #2: And so from our seat, getting the $830 in one large chunk, fully approved from us before the new batch process is in place, was sort of worth its weight for us.
Speaker #2: And so we’re very excited about that. I think, going forward, both us and everyone else in the queue are going to have a number of new processes to go through.
Speaker #2: And so we're very focused on now working through and understanding what is important to ERCOT and where those stand in the queue.
Chris Ferraro: We're very focused on now working through and understanding what is important to ERCOT and where those stand in the queue.
We're very focused on now working through and understanding what is important to ERCOT and where those stand in the queue.
Speaker #3: Let me just add, given those dynamics, first, shout out to our whole mining team. Data center team, both here in New York and in Texas, because in lots of ways, we got in under the line.
Mike Novogratz: Let me just add, you know, given those dynamics, first, a shout-out to our whole mining team, data center team, both here in New York and in Texas, because, you know, in lots of ways, we got in under the line, and that was because we were prepared way ahead, and we were very diligent the whole process, and so could not be more thrilled. You know, it makes that power more valuable. There are not a lot of 830MW chunks of power available in Texas or the United States. You know, there's a lot of people building for the future behind the meter. And so I think, you know, we'll see how the negotiations go with our next group of tenants, but it leaves me pretty bullish.
Michael Novogratz: Let me just add, you know, given those dynamics, first, a shout-out to our whole mining team, data center team, both here in New York and in Texas, because, you know, in lots of ways, we got in under the line, and that was because we were prepared way ahead, and we were very diligent the whole process, and so could not be more thrilled. You know, it makes that power more valuable. There are not a lot of 830MW chunks of power available in Texas or the United States. You know, there's a lot of people building for the future behind the meter. And so I think, you know, we'll see how the negotiations go with our next group of tenants, but it leaves me pretty bullish.
Speaker #3: And that was because we were prepared way ahead, and we were very diligent the whole process. And so, could it be more thrilled? It makes that power more valuable.
Speaker #3: There are not a lot of $830 megawatt chunks of power available in Texas or the United States. There's a lot of people building for the future behind the meter.
Speaker #3: And so, I think we'll see how the negotiations go with our next group of tenants, but it leaves me pretty
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question today comes from James Yarrow at Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Cantor Fitzgerald): Thank you. And our next question today comes from James Yaro at Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from James Yaro at Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Mike, I really appreciate your comments on the crypto backdrop. I just wanted to expand on one element of what you touched on in your prepared remarks.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Mike, I really appreciate your comments on the crypto backdrop. I just wanted to expand on one element of what you touched on in your prepared remarks. You've been through a lot of cycles here. Are we heading into another crypto winter or not? How long until the cycle could begin to recover? And then, you know, you're a trader, you look for these signals. So what should we be paying attention to, to mark this cycle, either continuing to deteriorate or potentially inflecting?
James Yaro: Good morning, and thanks for taking the question. Mike, I really appreciate your comments on the crypto backdrop. I just wanted to expand on one element of what you touched on in your prepared remarks. You've been through a lot of cycles here. Are we heading into another crypto winter or not? How long until the cycle could begin to recover? And then, you know, you're a trader, you look for these signals. So what should we be paying attention to, to mark this cycle, either continuing to deteriorate or potentially inflecting?
Speaker #4: You've been through a lot of cycles here. Are we heading into another crypto winter or not? How long until the cycle could begin to recover?
Speaker #4: And then, if you're a trader, you look for these signals. So, what should we be paying attention to in order to mark the cycle either continuing to deteriorate, or potentially reversing?
Speaker #4: inflecting? Yeah, that's a great
Mike Novogratz: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, listen, it feels pretty chilly right now, given that we were at $100 and... What was the high? $130, and we're currently. I haven't seen the market in the last two minutes, you know, $78, $80 or something. You know, look, when you look on the charts, it feels to me we're kind of $70 to $100 range until we take out $100. There is, like, the idea that Bitcoin is now a macro asset, I think is solidified, right? There are too many people that have own it, that have bought into it, that believe in it, that have institutions built around it, and so this is not going away. You are having a supply-demand imbalance.
Michael Novogratz: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, listen, it feels pretty chilly right now, given that we were at $100 and... What was the high? $130, and we're currently. I haven't seen the market in the last two minutes, you know, $78, $80 or something. You know, look, when you look on the charts, it feels to me we're kind of $70 to $100 range until we take out $100. There is, like, the idea that Bitcoin is now a macro asset, I think is solidified, right? There are too many people that have own it, that have bought into it, that believe in it, that have institutions built around it, and so this is not going away. You are having a supply-demand imbalance.
Speaker #3: question. I mean, listen, it feels pretty chilly right now given that we were at 100 and what was the high, 130, and we're currently I haven't seen the market in the last two minutes.
Speaker #3: 78, 80 or something. Listen, when you look on the charts, it feels to me we're kind of a 70 to 100 range until we take out 100.
Speaker #3: There is like the idea that Bitcoin is now a macro asset, I think is solidified, right? There are too many people that have owned it, that have bought into it, that believe in it, that have institutions built around it.
Speaker #3: And so this is not going away. You are having a supply-demand imbalance. And when I think about potential catalysts, you think about this market structure bill and really turning on Wall Street.
Mike Novogratz: And, you know, when I think about potential catalyst, you think about this market structure bill and really turning on Wall Street. And I said this before, Wall Street is a selling machine. That's what Wall Street's built to do, if it's mortgages or equities or government bonds, the structure is set up to sell. And as you start putting crypto through the traditional Wall Street selling machine, you're just gonna see demand pick up from pockets that we haven't seen yet. And again, that is what has kept, you know, crypto, the two-way price action you've seen, 'cause it has been a one directional move, has been a more broader distribution coming in against big, chunky positions, big whales getting out of their long-held positions.
And, you know, when I think about potential catalyst, you think about this market structure bill and really turning on Wall Street. And I said this before, Wall Street is a selling machine. That's what Wall Street's built to do, if it's mortgages or equities or government bonds, the structure is set up to sell. And as you start putting crypto through the traditional Wall Street selling machine, you're just gonna see demand pick up from pockets that we haven't seen yet. And again, that is what has kept, you know, crypto, the two-way price action you've seen, 'cause it has been a one directional move, has been a more broader distribution coming in against big, chunky positions, big whales getting out of their long-held positions.
Speaker #3: I said this before, Wall Street is a selling machine. That's what Wall Street is built to do. If it's mortgages or equities or government bonds, the structure is set up to sell.
Speaker #3: And as you start putting crypto through the traditional Wall Street selling machine, you're just going to see demand pick up from pockets that we haven't seen yet.
Speaker #3: And again, that is what has kept crypto—the two-way price action you've seen—because it has been a one-directional move, has been more broader distribution coming in against big chunky positions, big whales getting out of their long-held positions.
Speaker #3: And so, again, my instinct is we're closer to the bottom of the range than the beginning of a bear market. I think we've had a bear market.
Mike Novogratz: And so, again, my instinct is we're closer to the bottom of the range than the beginning of a bear market. I think we've had a bear market. Could things go lower? Of course, they could. But what I learned about, you know, painfully in three cycles now is, you know, you don't necessarily have to pick the bottom, but you've got a sense of when it turns, and like pornography, you know it when you see it. Right? There will be a catalytic event. And so that's Judge Lorna Hand for you guys, who think I made that quote up. And so again, like I said, I think we're closer to the bottom. I'm not sure we've reached it yet, but we'll tell you when we think we have.
And so, again, my instinct is we're closer to the bottom of the range than the beginning of a bear market. I think we've had a bear market. Could things go lower? Of course, they could. But what I learned about, you know, painfully in three cycles now is, you know, you don't necessarily have to pick the bottom, but you've got a sense of when it turns, and like pornography, you know it when you see it. Right? There will be a catalytic event. And so that's Judge Lorna Hand for you guys, who think I made that quote up. And so again, like I said, I think we're closer to the bottom. I'm not sure we've reached it yet, but we'll tell you when we think we have.
Speaker #3: Could things go lower? Of course, they could. But what I learned about painfully in three cycles now is you don't necessarily have to pick the bottom, but you've got a sense of when it turns and like pornography, you know it when you see it.
Speaker #3: There will be a catalytic event. And so that's judged, learned at hand, for you guys who think I made that quote up. And so again, like I said, I think we're closer to the bottom.
Speaker #3: I'm not sure we've reached it yet. But we'll tell you what we think we have.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Devin Ryan with Citizen Bank. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Devin Ryan with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): Great. Thank you, good morning. Question just on kind of market structure clarity. You talked about that, Mike. I mean, as we try to map this out, and we're getting questions from investors, trying to understand kind of where Galaxy fits – blur between crypto and kind of TradFi over time. And, you know, obviously, the large banks are gonna need to participate in this world of tokenizing markets, and that'll probably bring them closer to trading the tokens themselves. On the flip side, you know, it's a very technical space, so it's not gonna be easy for many of them to just enter.
Speaker #4: Great, thank you. Good morning. Question just on kind of market structure clarity—to talk about that, Mike. I mean, as we try to map this out and we're getting questions from investors, trying to understand kind of where Galaxy fits; the blur between crypto and kind of TradFi over time.
Devin Ryan: Great. Thank you, good morning. Question just on kind of market structure clarity. You talked about that, Mike. I mean, as we try to map this out, and we're getting questions from investors, trying to understand kind of where Galaxy fits – blur between crypto and kind of TradFi over time. And, you know, obviously, the large banks are gonna need to participate in this world of tokenizing markets, and that'll probably bring them closer to trading the tokens themselves. On the flip side, you know, it's a very technical space, so it's not gonna be easy for many of them to just enter.
Speaker #4: And obviously, the large banks are going to need to participate in this world of tokenizing markets, and they'll probably bring them closer to trading the tokens themselves.
Speaker #4: On the flip side, it's a very technical space, so it's not going to be easy for many of them to just enter. So I'm curious, kind of, how you think about Galaxy's position in that, the moats, and then what role you want to see Galaxy play as we move to a market where more assets are tokenized and probably have more of the large banks involved in the same space as you.
[Analyst] (Citizens JMP): And so curious kind of how you think about Galaxy's position in that, you know, the moats, and then kind of what role you want to see Galaxy play as we move to a market where more assets are tokenized, and you probably have more of the large banks involved in the same space as you. Thanks.
And so curious kind of how you think about Galaxy's position in that, you know, the moats, and then kind of what role you want to see Galaxy play as we move to a market where more assets are tokenized, and you probably have more of the large banks involved in the same space as you. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #3: Yeah, it's a great question.
Mike Novogratz: Yeah, it's a great question. We think about it a ton. I think a couple areas where we think we need to win and have a right to be significant players, one is credit. Right, we've got a great credit business, and you're gonna see an on-chain credit world explode, right? There already is an on-chain credit world, and we're participating. But I think in the next three years, it could be one of the big growth areas for both the market and for Galaxy. You know, one of the complaints in DC was, well, if we, you know, allow interest-bearing stablecoins and you get deposit flight, what does it do for credit creation? And I'm like, guys, credit creation is already starting on-chain, and it's gonna explode on-chain.
Michael Novogratz: Yeah, it's a great question. We think about it a ton. I think a couple areas where we think we need to win and have a right to be significant players, one is credit. Right, we've got a great credit business, and you're gonna see an on-chain credit world explode, right? There already is an on-chain credit world, and we're participating. But I think in the next three years, it could be one of the big growth areas for both the market and for Galaxy. You know, one of the complaints in DC was, well, if we, you know, allow interest-bearing stablecoins and you get deposit flight, what does it do for credit creation? And I'm like, guys, credit creation is already starting on-chain, and it's gonna explode on-chain.
Speaker #3: think about it a ton. I think a couple of areas where we think we need to win and have a right to be significant players.
Speaker #3: One is credit. We've got a great credit business and you're going to see an unchained credit world explode. There already is an untrained credit world.
Speaker #3: The more participating. But I think in the next three years, it could be one of the big growth areas for both the market and for Galaxy.
Speaker #3: One of the complaints in DC was, well, if we allow interest-bearing stablecoins and you get deposits light, what does it do for credit creation?
Speaker #3: And I'm like, guys, credit creation is already starting on chain. And it's going to explode on chain. And so I could see a future, not in the next few years, but in the next 10 years where on your cell phone, you've got your bank account, i.e., a stablecoin that pays some kind of interest, and you've got your lending account, right, where you're picking your from a menu of potential places to lend money.
Mike Novogratz: And so I could see a future, not in the next few years, but in the next 10 years, where on your cell phone, you've got your bank account, i.e., a stablecoin that pays some kind of interest, and you've got your lending account, right? Where you're picking your from a menu of potential places to lend money. And that, that's already in existence in a, in what I'll call, like, a beta stage in the market, but that's gonna be a big part of it. And the second piece is really infrastructure, right? All of these financial market players, banks, fincos, neobanks, need staking, they need wallet infrastructure, and our infra, infra team is growing. We're adding to it, and we're engaged in conversation around how do we help?
And so I could see a future, not in the next few years, but in the next 10 years, where on your cell phone, you've got your bank account, i.e., a stablecoin that pays some kind of interest, and you've got your lending account, right? Where you're picking your from a menu of potential places to lend money. And that, that's already in existence in a, in what I'll call, like, a beta stage in the market, but that's gonna be a big part of it. And the second piece is really infrastructure, right? All of these financial market players, banks, fincos, neobanks, need staking, they need wallet infrastructure, and our infra, infra team is growing. We're adding to it, and we're engaged in conversation around how do we help?
Speaker #3: And that's already in existence in what I'll call, like, a beta stage in the market, but that's going to be a big part of it.
Speaker #3: And the second piece is really infrastructure, right? All of these financial market players, banks, FinCos, neobanks, need staking; they need wallet infrastructure. And our infra team is growing; we're adding to it, and we're engaged in conversation around how do we help?
Speaker #3: And, like I said, hopefully we get some announcements publicly in the next period of time. But that has to be a big business for us.
Mike Novogratz: Like I said, hopefully, we get some announcements publicly in the next, you know, period of time, but that, that has to be a big business for us, and we're, we're really focused on it. Because that, they're coming. Listen, at one point, you know, JPMorgan will trade Bitcoin derivatives and Bitcoin, and that's gonna make our Bitcoin derivative and Bitcoin business, you know, it's gonna be competition for it, and it's gonna be a bit more difficult. And so we're hoping the pie expands, but that we're skating into the edges where those guys aren't. We use our domain expertise to help those players into the market.
Like I said, hopefully, we get some announcements publicly in the next, you know, period of time, but that, that has to be a big business for us, and we're, we're really focused on it. Because that, they're coming. Listen, at one point, you know, JPMorgan will trade Bitcoin derivatives and Bitcoin, and that's gonna make our Bitcoin derivative and Bitcoin business, you know, it's gonna be competition for it, and it's gonna be a bit more difficult. And so we're hoping the pie expands, but that we're skating into the edges where those guys aren't. We use our domain expertise to help those players into the market.
Speaker #3: And we're really focused on it. Because they're coming. Listen, at one point, J.P. Morgan will trade Bitcoin derivatives and Bitcoin, and that's going to make our Bitcoin derivative and Bitcoin business—it's going to be competition for it, and it's going to be more difficult.
Speaker #3: And so we're hoping the pie expands, but that we're skating into the edges where those guys aren't. We use our domain expertise to help those players into the market.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And our next question today comes from James Foster with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from James Faucette with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: ahead. Thank you so much.
[Analyst] (Morgan Stanley): Thank you so much. Thanks for all the comments this morning. I wanted to follow up on kind of what's happening beyond just the allocation and approvals of power. I really appreciate the color there, and certainly you guys have done good work. Wondering if you can give more color on how we should be thinking about the engagements with potential tenants and kind of how they're looking at it. I get the sense that they wanna do bigger pieces if they can, particularly the hyperscalers, but just love to hear any more details you can provide around that, and how you're thinking about potential partners, et cetera, and timing.
James Faucette: Thank you so much. Thanks for all the comments this morning. I wanted to follow up on kind of what's happening beyond just the allocation and approvals of power. I really appreciate the color there, and certainly you guys have done good work. Wondering if you can give more color on how we should be thinking about the engagements with potential tenants and kind of how they're looking at it. I get the sense that they wanna do bigger pieces if they can, particularly the hyperscalers, but just love to hear any more details you can provide around that, and how you're thinking about potential partners, et cetera, and timing.
Speaker #4: Thanks for all the comments this morning. I wanted to follow up on kind of what's happening beyond just the allocation and approvals of power.
Speaker #4: I really appreciate the color there and certainly you guys have done good work. I'm wondering if you can give more color on how we should be thinking about the engagements with potential tenants and kind of how they're looking at it.
Speaker #4: I get the sense that they want to do bigger pieces if they can, particularly the hyperscalers, but I'd just love to hear any more details you can provide around that and how you're thinking about potential partners, etc.
Speaker #4: and timing.
Speaker #5: Sure. Thanks for joining, James,
Chris Ferraro: Sure. Thanks for joining, James, as well. I think you're right that for us, the major tenant category we are focused on, I'll call them hyperscalers, but I think that term is actually broadening out a little further as it relates to traditional hyperscalers. Now, what neoclouds are getting larger and larger, maybe the direct model builders themselves, et cetera. Like, that's the universe of tenant, and perhaps even some equipment manufacturers. That's the universe of tenant that is out there, who we are talking to and looking at, who are looking for large chunks of power capacity that they can put to work in the billions and billions and billions of dollars and gigawatts of size.
Chris Ferraro: Sure. Thanks for joining, James, as well. I think you're right that for us, the major tenant category we are focused on, I'll call them hyperscalers, but I think that term is actually broadening out a little further as it relates to traditional hyperscalers. Now, what neoclouds are getting larger and larger, maybe the direct model builders themselves, et cetera. Like, that's the universe of tenant, and perhaps even some equipment manufacturers. That's the universe of tenant that is out there, who we are talking to and looking at, who are looking for large chunks of power capacity that they can put to work in the billions and billions and billions of dollars and gigawatts of size.
Speaker #1: well . As The I think you're right that a for us , the major tenant for us , the major tenant category , we are focused on .
Speaker #1: I'll call them , I'll call them hyperscalers . But I think that that term is actually broadening out a little further it as relates to traditional hyperscalers .
Speaker #1: Now neo clouds are getting larger and larger . Maybe the direct model builders themselves , etc. , like that's the universe of of tenants even some and perhaps equipment manufacturers .
Speaker #1: That's the the universe of tenant that that is out there are talking who we to and who are looking looking at , for large chunks of power capacity that they can put to work in the billions and billions and billions of dollars and gigawatts of size .
Chris Ferraro: Because this truly is the new modern space race for control of who's going to have the most frontier model and the smartest brain offering to power the sort of the future of automated everything. So the ambitions have not shrunk at all. In fact, they've grown on the tenant client side, and we've seen reiterated and elevated CapEx expectations from a lot of companies already sort of supporting that data.
Because this truly is the new modern space race for control of who's going to have the most frontier model and the smartest brain offering to power the sort of the future of automated everything. So the ambitions have not shrunk at all. In fact, they've grown on the tenant client side, and we've seen reiterated and elevated CapEx expectations from a lot of companies already sort of supporting that data.
Speaker #1: this truly Because is a a the new modern space race for control of who's going to have the most frontier model and the smartest brain offering to power the sort of the future of automated everything .
Speaker #1: And so the ambitions have not shrunk at all . In fact , they've grown on the tenant client side , and we've seen reiterated and elevated CapEx expectations from a companies lot of already sort of supporting that that data us for .
Chris Ferraro: For us, we've talked over and over again about our decision-making on the first 800 megawatts to partner with CoreWeave, who themselves, I think, have emerged, sort of, without debate as a one-of-one partner for, and most of the large model builders and hyperscalers themselves, as an expert in arranging and automating and running, ever more complex, large GPU clusters for those end clients. For the next 830 megawatts, I think, all potential tenants are on the table. We do recognize, with extreme clarity that, availability of capital and credit on, on economically attractive terms is paramount, to being able to develop, a multi-billion dollar data center campus on time, on budget, et cetera.
For us, we've talked over and over again about our decision-making on the first 800 megawatts to partner with CoreWeave, who themselves, I think, have emerged, sort of, without debate as a one-of-one partner for, and most of the large model builders and hyperscalers themselves, as an expert in arranging and automating and running, ever more complex, large GPU clusters for those end clients. For the next 830 megawatts, I think, all potential tenants are on the table. We do recognize, with extreme clarity that, availability of capital and credit on, on economically attractive terms is paramount, to being able to develop, a multi-billion dollar data center campus on time, on budget, et cetera.
Speaker #1: We've we've talked over and over again about our decision making on the first 800MW to partner with Core . We've who themselves , I think have emerged sort of without debate as a of one partner for one of the most large model builders and hyperscalers themselves .
Speaker #1: As an expert in arranging and automating and running . Ever more complex large GPU clusters for those clients for for the next 830MW , I think all potential tenants are on the table .
Speaker #1: We do recognize with with extreme clarity that availability of capital and credit on on a on economically attractive terms is paramount to being able to develop a multibillion dollar data center on campus time , on budget , etc.
Chris Ferraro: And the credit markets have had a little bit of a tough go in 2025, absorbing the sheer amount of this first wave of capital that's come into the markets. And you've seen a real divergence, you know, first in non-IG credit with CoreWeave, although there's been some letup recently, and I think their continued partnership with NVIDIA and the large investment NVIDIA made helps a lot on that front. But you've also seen it creep into IG concerns, initially in 2025 with Oracle. And yet, you know, I think just last night, overnight, after the close, Oracle successfully punched out close to $30 billion of new bonds and preferred equity at pretty attractive rates.
And the credit markets have had a little bit of a tough go in 2025, absorbing the sheer amount of this first wave of capital that's come into the markets. And you've seen a real divergence, you know, first in non-IG credit with CoreWeave, although there's been some letup recently, and I think their continued partnership with NVIDIA and the large investment NVIDIA made helps a lot on that front. But you've also seen it creep into IG concerns, initially in 2025 with Oracle. And yet, you know, I think just last night, overnight, after the close, Oracle successfully punched out close to $30 billion of new bonds and preferred equity at pretty attractive rates.
Speaker #1: and the credit markets have had have had a little bit of a tough go in 2025 , absorbing the the sheer amount of first wave of capital that's come into the markets .
Speaker #1: And you've seen a real divergence . You first in in non IG credit with there's although core . led up been We've some some recently and I think their continued partnership with Nvidia investment and the large made Nvidia helps a lot on that front .
Speaker #1: But you've also seen you've also seen it into creep IG concerns initially in 2025 with Oracle . And yet you know I think just overnight after the close Oracle successfully punched out close to $30 billion of of new bonds and preferred equity at pretty attractive rates .
Chris Ferraro: And so for us, already having such a large exposure to CoreWeave, means a natural focus on higher credit quality tenants going forward. And I think that that's not a comment at all about CoreWeave and their position. I think they would be happy with us working directly with tenant counterparties, which also offers them an opportunity to be an orchestration agent and a GPU cluster management partner as well, which we value a lot going forward. So that's how we're thinking about the landscape.
And so for us, already having such a large exposure to CoreWeave, means a natural focus on higher credit quality tenants going forward. And I think that that's not a comment at all about CoreWeave and their position. I think they would be happy with us working directly with tenant counterparties, which also offers them an opportunity to be an orchestration agent and a GPU cluster management partner as well, which we value a lot going forward. So that's how we're thinking about the landscape.
Speaker #1: And so for us, already having such a large exposure to Core, we've—means a natural credit, higher quality tenants on the go forward.
Speaker #1: that that's And I think not a comment at all about about about quarry and their think position . they I happy would be with with us working with directly with IG tenant counterparties , which also offers them an opportunity to be an orchestration agent and a GPU cluster management partner as well , which we , we we value a lot going forward .
Speaker #1: So that's how we're thinking about the landscape.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Martin Toner with ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question today comes from Martin Toner with ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: you . And our next question today comes from Martin Toner with ATB Capital Markets . Please go ahead . Hi guys .
[Analyst] (ATB Capital Markets): Hi, guys, thank you very much for taking my questions. So, you know, the last deal we saw, I believe, was from Cipher Mining, was on the best terms we've seen yet, and we haven't yet got into a stage where each successive HPC deal is on improved terms. The terms have really varied depending on partners and customers. But if data centers in space make sense, then data centers in Texas must make a lot of sense. And so should CoreWeave, sorry, should Galaxy, be driving a harder bargain on new HPC deals?
Martin Toner: Hi, guys, thank you very much for taking my questions. So, you know, the last deal we saw, I believe, was from Cipher Mining, was on the best terms we've seen yet, and we haven't yet got into a stage where each successive HPC deal is on improved terms. The terms have really varied depending on partners and customers. But if data centers in space make sense, then data centers in Texas must make a lot of sense. And so should CoreWeave, sorry, should Galaxy, be driving a harder bargain on new HPC deals?
Speaker #3: Thank you very much for taking my questions. So you know, the last deal we saw, I believe, was from Cypher and was on the best terms we've seen yet.
Speaker #3: And we hadn't we haven't yet got into a stage where each successive HPC deal is on improved terms , the terms are really varied depending on partners and and customers .
Speaker #3: But if data centers and space make sense, then data centers in Texas must make a lot of sense. And so should Corps.
Speaker #3: We're sorry, should Galaxy be driving a harder bargain on new HPC deals?
Mike Novogratz: Well, I'll answer this one 'cause, you know, a markets guy, first and foremost. Listen, the market's going to dictate. We want strong partners that we have a long-term partnership with, people that feel comfortable working with us and that we feel comfortable working with, and we're going to balance that versus the best price. We watch the market like hawks, and certainly, you know, it's not all apples to apples, and so Chris has this very elaborate spreadsheet with his team, where he tries to make it apples to apples. And, you know, we listen, on CoreWeave, we took a risk, the first train, I think it's going to be a great risk, that we got paid extra because we took credit risk with CoreWeave, right?
Michael Novogratz: Well, I'll answer this one 'cause, you know, a markets guy, first and foremost. Listen, the market's going to dictate. We want strong partners that we have a long-term partnership with, people that feel comfortable working with us and that we feel comfortable working with, and we're going to balance that versus the best price. We watch the market like hawks, and certainly, you know, it's not all apples to apples, and so Chris has this very elaborate spreadsheet with his team, where he tries to make it apples to apples. And, you know, we listen, on CoreWeave, we took a risk, the first train, I think it's going to be a great risk, that we got paid extra because we took credit risk with CoreWeave, right?
Speaker #4: I'll answer this , you know , the markets guy . First and foremost , listen , the market's going to dictate . We want strong partners that we have a long term partnership with people that feel comfortable working with us and that we feel comfortable working with .
Speaker #4: And we're going to balance that first , the best price . We watch the market like Hawks and certainly , you know , it's not all apples to apples .
Speaker #4: And so Chris has this very elaborate spreadsheet with his team where he tries to make it apples to apples and you know , we listen on core .
Speaker #4: We took a risk the first—the first train. I think it's gonna be a great risk that we got paid extra because we took credit risk with Core.
Mike Novogratz: They were at a time of their development, that we thought it was the right bet to make, and I think we're going to be prove it out to be a winner on that bet. And so we'll look at, you know, rate plus counterparty and get the best price. You know, there are enough players around the table that there's a tension. You know, if there was one, it's a very different story, but... And you don't need ten.
They were at a time of their development, that we thought it was the right bet to make, and I think we're going to be prove it out to be a winner on that bet. And so we'll look at, you know, rate plus counterparty and get the best price. You know, there are enough players around the table that there's a tension. You know, if there was one, it's a very different story, but... And you don't need ten.
Speaker #4: We . Right . They were at a time of their development and we were that we thought it was a the right bet to make .
Speaker #4: And I think we're going to be proven out to be a winner on that bet . And so we'll we'll look at , you know , plus rate counterparty and , and get the best price , you know , there there are enough players around the table that there's attention .
Speaker #4: You know, if there was one. It's a very different story. But, and you don't need ten.
Chris Ferraro: Yeah. I, the only thing I'll add is I think you did rightly point out a dynamic which probably has surprised us a little to the upside, which we're happy about, which is initial instinct, way back when, was you know, the $ per kilowatt rental per month, rental price would start out high and then over time, sort of go down and normalize to a market clearing level as bigger and bigger potential clients come in. But as you pointed out, there isn't actually a very good downward trend.
Chris Ferraro: Yeah. I, the only thing I'll add is I think you did rightly point out a dynamic which probably has surprised us a little to the upside, which we're happy about, which is initial instinct, way back when, was you know, the $ per kilowatt rental per month, rental price would start out high and then over time, sort of go down and normalize to a market clearing level as bigger and bigger potential clients come in. But as you pointed out, there isn't actually a very good downward trend.
Speaker #1: And the Yeah . only thing I'll add is I think I think you did you did rightly point out a dynamic which probably has surprised us a little to the upside , which we're happy about , which is initial instinct .
Speaker #1: Way back when was , you know , the the dollar per kilowatt rental per month rental price was would start out high . And then over time , sort of go down and normalize to a market clearing level as bigger and bigger potential clients come in .
Speaker #1: But as you've pointed out , this isn't actually a very good downward trend . And in fact , given that there's there's a real choke point in available future capacity for electricity at scale , we've actually seen seen base rental prices go up in a lot of cases .
Chris Ferraro: And in fact, given that there's a real choke point in available future capacity for electricity at scale, we've actually seen base rental prices go up in a lot of cases, and with Cipher as well. And so that's a dynamic that I think actually plays very favorably to what we were initially underwritten way back when, when we started this journey.
And in fact, given that there's a real choke point in available future capacity for electricity at scale, we've actually seen base rental prices go up in a lot of cases, and with Cipher as well. And so that's a dynamic that I think actually plays very favorably to what we were initially underwritten way back when, when we started this journey.
Speaker #1: And with Cypher as well, that's an 'and so' dynamic that I think actually plays very favorably to what we would have initially underwritten way back when we started this journey.
Operator: ... Thank you. And our next question today comes from Ed Engel at Compass Point. Please go ahead.
Operator: ... Thank you. And our next question today comes from Ed Engel at Compass Point. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you . And our next question comes from Ed Engel with Compass Point . Please go ahead .
[Analyst] (Canaccord): Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just another follow-up on Helios. I guess if you were to secure a new tenant there, could construction be done concurrently with CoreWeave's existing build-outs, or do you think you kind of need to complete phases one, two, and three before really starting any new developments? Thanks.
Ed Engel: Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just another follow-up on Helios. I guess if you were to secure a new tenant there, could construction be done concurrently with CoreWeave's existing build-outs, or do you think you kind of need to complete phases one, two, and three before really starting any new developments? Thanks.
Speaker #5: Hi . Thanks for taking the question . Just another follow up on Helios . I guess if you were to secure a new tenant , there could construction be done concurrently with existing build outs ?
Speaker #5: Or do you think you kind of need to . Complete phases one , two , and three before really starting any new developments ?
Speaker #5: Thanks .
Chris Ferraro: Yeah, so there, there's a couple different dimensions to the, to the answer to that question. So one, the new 800+ megawatts that were approved require infrastructure build, not just on the Galaxy side, but also on the grid side as well. And so the availability of that, of that power, regardless of, you know, if, if we could, if we could snap our fingers and move mountains ourselves, still can't, won't come online until late 2028, at the earliest.
Chris Ferraro: Yeah, so there, there's a couple different dimensions to the, to the answer to that question. So one, the new 800+ megawatts that were approved require infrastructure build, not just on the Galaxy side, but also on the grid side as well. And so the availability of that, of that power, regardless of, you know, if, if we could, if we could snap our fingers and move mountains ourselves, still can't, won't come online until late 2028, at the earliest.
Speaker #1: Yeah . So there's a couple different dimensions to to the answer to that question . So one , the new 830 plus megawatts that were approved require infrastructure build not just on the Galaxy side , but also on the on the grid side as well .
Speaker #1: And the so availability of that that , of power , regardless of , you know , if we could , if we could snap our fingers and move mountains ourselves , still cannot won't come , can't , online until late 2028 on the earliest .
Chris Ferraro: And so, you know, we're we will, we will be doing everything we can along the way to parallelize the, you know, the site work and the concrete and the ground clearing and development for all the adjacent land that we've acquired over the last few years that allows us to actually execute on this. But the practical reality is we will be fully developed and delivered on the CoreWeave Helios One side, largely in advance of you know, the practical ability to come online for the next 830 megawatts. So we will parallelize, but it will come at like, I'll call it sort of the back end of the CoreWeave phase one project, anyway.
And so, you know, we're we will, we will be doing everything we can along the way to parallelize the, you know, the site work and the concrete and the ground clearing and development for all the adjacent land that we've acquired over the last few years that allows us to actually execute on this. But the practical reality is we will be fully developed and delivered on the CoreWeave Helios One side, largely in advance of you know, the practical ability to come online for the next 830 megawatts. So we will parallelize, but it will come at like, I'll call it sort of the back end of the CoreWeave phase one project, anyway.
Speaker #1: And so , you know , we're we will we will be doing everything we can along the way to parallelize the , you know , the the site work and the and the concrete and the ground clearing and development for all of the adjacent land that we've acquired over the over the last few years .
Speaker #1: That allows us to actually execute on this . But the practical reality is we will be we will be fully developed and delivered on the core .
Speaker #1: We’ve Helios one side largely in advance of the practical ability to come online for the next 830 MW. So we will parallelize. But it will come at, like, I’ll call it, sort of the back end of the core.
Speaker #1: We phase one project . Anyway .
[Company Representative] (Galaxy Digital Holdings Ltd.): So yes, we can have multiple tenants.
Michael Novogratz: So yes, we can have multiple tenants.
Speaker #4: So , so so yes , we can have multiple tenants .
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Greg Lewis at BTIG. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Greg Lewis at BTIG. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: our next Thank you . And Btig , question Lewis from Greg today comes please go ahead .
[Analyst] (BTIG): Yeah. Hey, thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I did want you to kind of talk about, if you could, you know, the step-up in the loan book. You know, I guess kind of curious, you know, just maybe if you could provide any color around maybe what was driving that, you know, how that might have looked in a recovery in the market. Is it largely with incremental customers? Are we adding any new customers? Any kind of color you're comfortable sharing around the loan book would be helpful.
Gregory Lewis: Yeah. Hey, thank you. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I did want you to kind of talk about, if you could, you know, the step-up in the loan book. You know, I guess kind of curious, you know, just maybe if you could provide any color around maybe what was driving that, you know, how that might have looked in a recovery in the market. Is it largely with incremental customers? Are we adding any new customers? Any kind of color you're comfortable sharing around the loan book would be helpful.
Speaker #6: Yeah . Hey thank you . Good morning . Thanks for taking my questions . I did want you to kind of talk about , if you could , the , you know , the step up in the loan book .
Speaker #6: You know , I guess kind of curious , you know , maybe if you could provide any color around maybe what was driving that , you know , how that might have looked if in a recovery in the ?
Speaker #6: You know , I guess kind of curious , you know , maybe if you could provide any color around maybe what was driving that , you know , how that might have looked if in a recovery in the market Or is it largely with incremental customers , are we adding any new customers , any kind of color ?
Speaker #6: You're comfortable sharing around? The loan book would be helpful.
Chris Ferraro: Yeah, Greg, it's Tony. Thanks. I'll take that one. I mean, as we mentioned, the loan book grew pretty healthily throughout the course of 2025. We ended the year at, you know, $1.8 billion, a little over $1.8 billion in average total for Q4. That was up slightly from Q3, and I guess the way to contextualize that is in a market where the underlying asset class was down 24-25% on average. It tells you that the loan originations and loan quantums were up to offset that value because, you know, these are obviously backed by crypto. There wasn't a ton of change underneath the surface.
Tony Paquette: Yeah, Greg, it's Tony. Thanks. I'll take that one. I mean, as we mentioned, the loan book grew pretty healthily throughout the course of 2025. We ended the year at, you know, $1.8 billion, a little over $1.8 billion in average total for Q4. That was up slightly from Q3, and I guess the way to contextualize that is in a market where the underlying asset class was down 24-25% on average. It tells you that the loan originations and loan quantums were up to offset that value because, you know, these are obviously backed by crypto. There wasn't a ton of change underneath the surface.
Speaker #1: Yeah , Greg , it's Tony . Thanks . I'll take that one . I mean , as we mentioned , the loan book grew pretty healthily throughout the course of 2025 .
Speaker #1: We ended the year at $1.8 billion, a little over $1.8 billion in average total for Q4. That was up slightly from Q3.
Speaker #1: And I guess the way to contextualize that is in a market where the underlying asset class was down 24 , 25% on average , it tells you that the loan originations and loan quantums were up to offset that value because , you know , these are obviously backed backed by crypto .
Speaker #1: wasn't There a ton of change underneath the surface . I would say the the net interest margins , you know , as we mentioned , I think last quarter did compress a little bit earlier in the year .
Chris Ferraro: I would say the net interest margins, you know, as we mentioned, I think last quarter, did compress a little bit earlier in the year. They have roughly held steady, over the last, you know, kind of period of time. We have continued to grow our client base. The loan originations were up, and overall, you know, we see it as a healthy business. You know, we've talked about the collateralization on the book being somewhere, you know, 130% or north of that. That has all been fairly consistent.
I would say the net interest margins, you know, as we mentioned, I think last quarter, did compress a little bit earlier in the year. They have roughly held steady, over the last, you know, kind of period of time. We have continued to grow our client base. The loan originations were up, and overall, you know, we see it as a healthy business. You know, we've talked about the collateralization on the book being somewhere, you know, 130% or north of that. That has all been fairly consistent.
Speaker #1: They have roughly held steady over the last , you know , kind of period of time . We have continued to grow our client base .
Speaker #1: The loan loan originations were up overall , you know , we . see it as And a as a , as a as a healthy business .
Speaker #1: You know , we've talked about the collateralization on the on the book being somewhere , you know , one 130% or north of that that has all been fairly consistent .
Chris Ferraro: So, you know, it can be a fluctuating business as a function of, you know, the underlying market cap for crypto, but I would say our demand in that space has remained pretty healthy, which, you know, lends to the point Mike made around our confidence in on-chain credit, you know, continuing to become a more stable and more, you know, visible path forward for the industry. Yeah. The only other thing I'll add to what Tony said, being a lender at my core by background is, you know, growing the loan book as a KPI is a real double-edged sword for most companies. Like, giving money away to grow your loan book is actually a pretty easy thing to do.
So, you know, it can be a fluctuating business as a function of, you know, the underlying market cap for crypto, but I would say our demand in that space has remained pretty healthy, which, you know, lends to the point Mike made around our confidence in on-chain credit, you know, continuing to become a more stable and more, you know, visible path forward for the industry. Yeah. The only other thing I'll add to what Tony said, being a lender at my core by background is, you know, growing the loan book as a KPI is a real double-edged sword for most companies. Like, giving money away to grow your loan book is actually a pretty easy thing to do.
Speaker #1: So , you know , it can be a , a fluctuating business as a function of , you know , the underlying market cap for crypto .
Speaker #1: But , but I would say our demand in that space is has healthy , which lends to the point Mike made confidence around our in on chain credit .
Speaker #1: You know , continuing to be become a more , more stable and more , you know , visible path forward for the industry .
Speaker #7: Yeah .
Speaker #8: The only other thing I'll add to what Tony said , being a lender at my core by background , is , you know , growing the loan book as a KPI is is a real double edged sword for , for most companies , giving like money away to grown .
Chris Ferraro: Growing your loan book while maintaining the right overcollateralization and risk weighting so that you don't lose the money you give away is the most important thing. And so like, that that's at the core of our DNA from when we started this business. We are very focused on growing the loan book, but we're very focused on growing the loan book without taking any incremental net risk along the way, because it's just, it's just it's not worth it at the end of the day. So that's that has never, that we've never wavered from that, and that hasn't changed.
Growing your loan book while maintaining the right overcollateralization and risk weighting so that you don't lose the money you give away is the most important thing. And so like, that that's at the core of our DNA from when we started this business. We are very focused on growing the loan book, but we're very focused on growing the loan book without taking any incremental net risk along the way, because it's just, it's just it's not worth it at the end of the day. So that's that has never, that we've never wavered from that, and that hasn't changed.
Speaker #8: Your loan book is actually pretty easy thing to do . Growing your loan book while maintaining the right the right over causation and risk weighting so that you don't lose the money you give away .
Speaker #8: Is is the most important thing . And so , that that's at the core of our of our DNA . From when we started this business , we are very focused on growing the loan book , but very focused on growing the loan book without taking any incremental net risk along the way , because it's just it's just it's not worth it at the end of the day .
Speaker #8: So that's—that has never—we have never wavered from that. And that hasn't changed.
[Company Representative] (Galaxy Digital Holdings Ltd.): Yeah, if you guys, if this was on video, you would look at both Tony and Chris's outfits, and you'd realize that this is a pretty conservative firm.
Michael Novogratz: Yeah, if you guys, if this was on video, you would look at both Tony and Chris's outfits, and you'd realize that this is a pretty conservative firm.
Speaker #4: If you guys if this was on video , you would look at both Tony and Chris's outfits and you'd realize that this is a pretty conservative firm .
Operator: Thank you.
Gregory Lewis: Thank you.
Chris Ferraro: I have no comment on Mike's outfit.
Chris Ferraro: I have no comment on Mike's outfit.
Speaker #2: Thank you . And our next .
Speaker #1: Question . Outfit .
Operator: Thank you. The next question today comes from Joe Vafi with Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. The next question today comes from Joe Vafi with Canaccord. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. The next question today comes from Joseph Vafi with Canaccord. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Canaccord): Hey, guys, good morning. Congrats on the new Helios announcement. Just maybe go back to price action here and Bitcoin and some of the other coins real quick. I know, Mike, you know that you had the big OG profit-taking. You know, we've heard things about, you know, maybe a little overleverage in the system. You know, is Bitcoin a risk asset? Is it a store of value? Is it trying to be both? Just, you know, it was a little surprising to see, and I think it was surprising to everyone to see, you know, that price action. You know, maybe just some more color on, you know, where maybe you were seeing selling. Was it broad-based across all these groups, or? You know, was it over-leveraged?
Joseph Vafi: Hey, guys, good morning. Congrats on the new Helios announcement. Just maybe go back to price action here and Bitcoin and some of the other coins real quick. I know, Mike, you know that you had the big OG profit-taking. You know, we've heard things about, you know, maybe a little overleverage in the system. You know, is Bitcoin a risk asset? Is it a store of value? Is it trying to be both? Just, you know, it was a little surprising to see, and I think it was surprising to everyone to see, you know, that price action. You know, maybe just some more color on, you know, where maybe you were seeing selling. Was it broad-based across all these groups, or? You know, was it over-leveraged?
Speaker #9: Hey , guys . Good morning . Congrats on the new Helios announcement . Just I just maybe we go back to price action here and Bitcoin and some of the other coins real quick .
Speaker #9: I know , Mike , you know that you had the big OG profit taking . You know we've heard things about you know , maybe a little over in the system .
Speaker #9: You know, is Bitcoin a risk asset? Is it a store of value? Is it trying to be both? Just, you know, it was a little surprising to see.
Speaker #9: And I think it was surprising to everyone to see , you know that price action . You know maybe it's just some more color on , you know , where maybe you were seeing selling .
Speaker #9: Was it broad based across all these groups or , you know , was it was it overleveraged ? You know , rogues really kind of , you know , maybe profit taking a little more than we thought , just whatever you might want to add .
[Analyst] (Canaccord): You know, are OGs really kind of, you know, maybe profit-taking a little more than we thought? Just whatever you might want to add. Thanks.
You know, are OGs really kind of, you know, maybe profit-taking a little more than we thought? Just whatever you might want to add. Thanks.
Mike Novogratz: I think the OG profit-taking more than we thought is a real thing. And, you know, I think the psychology is, you know, if you've ever been like a speculator, once you start selling, it becomes like an idea, a reaction function. Then you sell a little more, you sell a little more, and it is so hard to HODL, to literally hold a position and ride it for a long, long trend. And there were a tremendous amount of kind of religious believers in this concept of HODLing, of holding, you know, and not letting go of your Bitcoin. And somehow that virus or that fever broke, and you started seeing some selling. Quantum has been the big excuse for people. Now, you know, you're seeing some reaction function from the industry.
Michael Novogratz: I think the OG profit-taking more than we thought is a real thing. And, you know, I think the psychology is, you know, if you've ever been like a speculator, once you start selling, it becomes like an idea, a reaction function. Then you sell a little more, you sell a little more, and it is so hard to HODL, to literally hold a position and ride it for a long, long trend. And there were a tremendous amount of kind of religious believers in this concept of HODLing, of holding, you know, and not letting go of your Bitcoin. And somehow that virus or that fever broke, and you started seeing some selling. Quantum has been the big excuse for people. Now, you know, you're seeing some reaction function from the industry.
Speaker #9: Thanks .
Speaker #4: I think the the OG profit taking more than we thought is a real thing . And , you know , I think the psychology is , you know , if you've ever been a like a speculator , once you start selling , it becomes like a , an idea , a reaction function .
Speaker #4: Then you sell a little more , you sell a little more and and it is so hard to , to hodl , to literally hold a position and ride it for a long , long trend .
Speaker #4: And there were a tremendous amount of kind of religious believers in this concept of hodling , of holding , you know , and not letting go of your Bitcoin and somehow that fever that broke virus or and you started seeing some selling quantum has been the big excuse for people .
Speaker #4: Now , you know , and you're seeing some reaction function from the industry . I think the industry has been slow to kind of like fund the quantum institutes to say , hey , this is the real , this is the real story , right ?
Mike Novogratz: I think the industry has been slow to kind of like fund the quantum institutes to say, "Hey, this is the real, this is the real story," right? The story in layman's terms, which has always been told to me by the quote smart guys who in and around the Bitcoin core developers, is: As we get closer to quantum, we're going to get closer to quantum resistant, and you will have the Bitcoin code changed in time. So the risk, of course, to the Bitcoin ecosystem is the developers all get obstinate, and they fight amongst each other, and they don't... And they nihilistically blow themselves up. I just don't see that happening. And so I think in the long run, quantum will not be a huge issue for crypto.
I think the industry has been slow to kind of like fund the quantum institutes to say, "Hey, this is the real, this is the real story," right? The story in layman's terms, which has always been told to me by the quote smart guys who in and around the Bitcoin core developers, is: As we get closer to quantum, we're going to get closer to quantum resistant, and you will have the Bitcoin code changed in time. So the risk, of course, to the Bitcoin ecosystem is the developers all get obstinate, and they fight amongst each other, and they don't... And they nihilistically blow themselves up. I just don't see that happening. And so I think in the long run, quantum will not be a huge issue for crypto.
Speaker #4: The story in layman's terms , which has always been told to me by the quote , smart guys who in and around the Bitcoin Core developers is , as we get closer to quantum , we're going to get closer to quantum resistant .
Speaker #4: you will have the And Bitcoin code changed in time . So the risk , of course , to the Bitcoin ecosystem is the developers all get obstinate and they fight amongst each other and they don't .
Speaker #4: And they nihilistically blow themselves up . I just don't see that happening . And so I think in the long run , quantum will not be a issue for crypto .
Mike Novogratz: It'll be a big issue for the world, but crypto, Bitcoin especially, will be able to handle it. But that's been the excuse, and I think that selling has. And listen, we had one customer alone who sold $9 billion worth. And to put that in context, that was one quarter or 1/3 of all of iBit's inflows last year, right? You know, the biggest player in this market. And so these big, chunky positions take a while to work their way through. You know, someone wrote an article, it's like distributing an IPO. Price usually goes down, then the distribution ends, and it goes back up. And I think that's the, that's the part of the cycle we're in right now. And I said earlier, I don't know when the seller's exhaustion happens.
It'll be a big issue for the world, but crypto, Bitcoin especially, will be able to handle it. But that's been the excuse, and I think that selling has. And listen, we had one customer alone who sold $9 billion worth. And to put that in context, that was one quarter or 1/3 of all of iBit's inflows last year, right? You know, the biggest player in this market. And so these big, chunky positions take a while to work their way through. You know, someone wrote an article, it's like distributing an IPO. Price usually goes down, then the distribution ends, and it goes back up. And I think that's the, that's the part of the cycle we're in right now. And I said earlier, I don't know when the seller's exhaustion happens.
Speaker #4: big issue huge for the world . crypto But Bitcoin especially will be able to handle it . But that's been the excuse . And and I think that selling has .
Speaker #4: And listen we had one customer alone who sold $9 billion worth . And to put that in context , that was one quarter or one third of all of IBM's inflows last year .
Speaker #4: Right? You know, the biggest player in this market. And so, these big, chunky positions take a while to work their way through.
Speaker #4: You know, someone wrote an article. It's like, during the IPO, the price usually goes down. Then the distribution ends, and it goes back up.
Speaker #4: And I think that's the that's the part of the cycle we're in right now . And I said earlier , I don't know when the seller's exhaustion happens .
Mike Novogratz: There is not a lot of leverage in the system anymore. And so Bitcoin specifically, and crypto in general, always need a new story, a new catalyst, something that happens, and it's always hard to predict what it's going to be, and it shows up, and then all of a sudden, like a wildfire, everyone kind of gets excited again. And I'm blowing smoke on the embers, hoping the wildfire, you know, picks up. I... You know, it, it's not here yet, obviously, by the price action.
There is not a lot of leverage in the system anymore. And so Bitcoin specifically, and crypto in general, always need a new story, a new catalyst, something that happens, and it's always hard to predict what it's going to be, and it shows up, and then all of a sudden, like a wildfire, everyone kind of gets excited again. And I'm blowing smoke on the embers, hoping the wildfire, you know, picks up. I... You know, it, it's not here yet, obviously, by the price action.
Speaker #4: There is not a lot of leverage in the system anymore . And so Bitcoin specifically and crypto in general always need a new story , a new catalyst , something that happens .
Speaker #4: And it's always hard to predict what it's going to be . And it shows up . And then all of a sudden like like a wildfire , everyone kind of gets excited again and I'm blowing smoke on the embers , hoping the wildfire , you know , picks up .
Speaker #4: I, you know, it's not here yet. Obviously, by the price action.
Operator: Thank you. And our final question today comes from Chris Brendler at Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you. And our final question today comes from Chris Brendler at Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you. And our final question today comes from Chris Brendler at Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
[Analyst] (Rosenblatt Securities): Hey, thanks. Good morning, and thanks for squeezing me in. I'm actually going to ask two quick ones, if that's okay. The first one is on the new 830MW of power. Does the timeline of late 2028, early 2029, you know, sort of slow the pace of current negotiations? Like, is this something that could take place, you know, over the course of a year, or do you expect it to be shorter than that, just given the voracious demand out there for power? And the second question I wanted to ask was, on Galaxy One, the 8% yield that that product is offering, is that in any way at risk from the CLARITY Act and the compromise on stablecoin rewards? Thanks.
Chris Brendler: Hey, thanks. Good morning, and thanks for squeezing me in. I'm actually going to ask two quick ones, if that's okay. The first one is on the new 830MW of power. Does the timeline of late 2028, early 2029, you know, sort of slow the pace of current negotiations? Like, is this something that could take place, you know, over the course of a year, or do you expect it to be shorter than that, just given the voracious demand out there for power? And the second question I wanted to ask was, on Galaxy One, the 8% yield that that product is offering, is that in any way at risk from the CLARITY Act and the compromise on stablecoin rewards? Thanks.
Speaker #10: Thanks. Hey, good morning, and thanks for squeezing me in. I'm actually going to ask two quick ones, if that's okay.
Speaker #10: The first one is on the new 830MW of power . Does the timeline of late 28 , early 29 , you know , sort of slow the pace of current negotiations ?
Speaker #10: Like , is this something that could take place , you know , over the course of a year , or do you expect it to be shorter than that , just given the voracious demand out there for power ?
Speaker #10: And the second question I wanted to ask was on Galaxy One. The 8% yield that that product is offering, is that in any way at risk from a compromise on stablecoin rewards?
Chris Ferraro: Sure. I'll take the first one, at least. On the 830MW, if the negotiations with the tenant goes a year, I'll be somewhere between fired and/or and/or tied up in a closet by Mike, I think. We do have a lot of time, and we want to be prudent and thoughtful about who our next partner or partners will be and the economics associated with that. That being said, it is clear that all the market participants have the capital available today and are in a race to secure future capacity.
Chris Ferraro: Sure. I'll take the first one, at least. On the 830MW, if the negotiations with the tenant goes a year, I'll be somewhere between fired and/or and/or tied up in a closet by Mike, I think. We do have a lot of time, and we want to be prudent and thoughtful about who our next partner or partners will be and the economics associated with that. That being said, it is clear that all the market participants have the capital available today and are in a race to secure future capacity.
Speaker #10: Thanks . Sure .
Speaker #8: I'll take the first one , at least on on the 830MW . If if the negotiations , the tenant goes a year , I'll be somewhere between fired and or and or tied up in a closet by Mike .
Speaker #8: I think the the we we do have a lot of time and and we want to be prudent and thoughtful about who our our next partner or partners will be .
Speaker #8: And the economics associated with that, with that. That being said, it is clear that all the market participants have the capital available today and are in a race to secure future capacity.
Chris Ferraro: And the timelines that we were originally looking at when we started with Helios and people looking at, you know, very focused on, well, 2026 and 2027 power, have very quickly moved to 2028, 2029, 2030 power in terms of all the major players looking to lock that up for themselves. And so, you know, we're going to balance that very strong, voracious demand that we see with a little bit of prudence in making sure we make the right decision. But I think we're in no way looking to watch the market for the next year or couple of years to see how it develops in terms of partnering.
And the timelines that we were originally looking at when we started with Helios and people looking at, you know, very focused on, well, 2026 and 2027 power, have very quickly moved to 2028, 2029, 2030 power in terms of all the major players looking to lock that up for themselves. And so, you know, we're going to balance that very strong, voracious demand that we see with a little bit of prudence in making sure we make the right decision. But I think we're in no way looking to watch the market for the next year or couple of years to see how it develops in terms of partnering.
Speaker #8: And the timelines that we were originally looking at when we started with Helios and people looking at , you know , very focused on , well , 26 and 27 power have very quickly moved to 28 , 29 , 30 power in terms of all the major players to lock for that up looking themselves .
Speaker #8: And so , you know , we're going to balance that , that very strong , voracious demand that we see with a little bit of prudence and making sure we make the right decision .
Speaker #8: But but I think we're , we're we're in no ways looking to watch the market for the next , next year or a couple of years to see how it develops in terms of in terms of partnering in particular , because the reality is 28 , 29 power , given the lead times for the large electrical infrastructure that need to get built , you know , those those lead times today sort of push you up into into early 28 at a minimum anyway .
Chris Ferraro: In particular, because the reality is 2028, 2029 power, given the lead times for the large electrical infrastructure that need to get built, you know, those lead times today sort of push you up into early 2028 at a minimum anyway. So you got to pick your partner quick, you got to make your decisions on what you're going to do, and you got to start locking up supply chain so that you can actually deliver that far out. So that's how we're thinking about prosecuting an opportunity. On the Galaxy One side, I'll pitch it to Tony, and I'll kick in if I can be helpful.
In particular, because the reality is 2028, 2029 power, given the lead times for the large electrical infrastructure that need to get built, you know, those lead times today sort of push you up into early 2028 at a minimum anyway. So you got to pick your partner quick, you got to make your decisions on what you're going to do, and you got to start locking up supply chain so that you can actually deliver that far out. So that's how we're thinking about prosecuting an opportunity. On the Galaxy One side, I'll pitch it to Tony, and I'll kick in if I can be helpful.
Speaker #8: And so you got to pick your partner quick . You got to make your decisions on what you're going to do , and you got to start locking up supply chains so that you can actually deliver that far out .
Speaker #8: And so that's how we're thinking about prosecuting that opportunity on the Galaxy side. I'll pitch it to Tony, and I'll kick in if I can be helpful.
Tony Paquette: Yeah, Chris. So the short answer is, you're talking about the premium yield, 8%, that we're offering on the Galaxy One platform right now. Short answer is no, that is not at risk from the CLARITY Act, at least as our understanding, the way that anything in the CLARITY Act is proposed. That is a... It's an offering that is available to accredited investors only. We have, you know, certain customer limits and a total portfolio limit on how much we're offering there. But it is really in the interest of, you know, growing our overall, you know, client, you know, base as that business gets off the ground.
Tony Paquette: Yeah, Chris. So the short answer is, you're talking about the premium yield, 8%, that we're offering on the Galaxy One platform right now. Short answer is no, that is not at risk from the CLARITY Act, at least as our understanding, the way that anything in the CLARITY Act is proposed. That is a... It's an offering that is available to accredited investors only. We have, you know, certain customer limits and a total portfolio limit on how much we're offering there. But it is really in the interest of, you know, growing our overall, you know, client, you know, base as that business gets off the ground.
Speaker #1: Yeah . Chris . So the short answer is you're talking about the premium yield 8% that we're offering on the Galaxy One platform right now .
Speaker #1: Short answer is no . That not at risk Act , at Clarity from the that is least as our understanding the way anything in the Clarity Act is , is proposed .
Speaker #1: That is a it's an offering that is available to accredited investors only . We have , certain customer limits and a total portfolio limit on on how much we're offering .
Speaker #1: There . But it is really in the interest of growing our , you overall know , client , you know , base as , as that , as that business gets off the ground , that rate is is obviously subject to change with a period of notice .
Tony Paquette: That rate is obviously subject to change with, you know, a period of notice, and that'll be driven by sort of broad supply and demand. But we also think about it more generally as diversifying our funding sources for the markets business more broadly, obviously within a box of, you know, disciplined asset liability management. But it's not. It's a rate that we control, and it's not subject to the CLARITY Act at all. Hopefully, that answers your question.
That rate is obviously subject to change with, you know, a period of notice, and that'll be driven by sort of broad supply and demand. But we also think about it more generally as diversifying our funding sources for the markets business more broadly, obviously within a box of, you know, disciplined asset liability management. But it's not. It's a rate that we control, and it's not subject to the CLARITY Act at all. Hopefully, that answers your question.
Speaker #1: And that will be driven by sort of broad supply and demand . But we also think about it more , more generally as diversifying our our funding sources for the markets business more broadly .
Speaker #1: Obviously , within within a of box disciplined asset liability management . But but it's not it's a rate that we control and it's not subject to to the Clarity Act at all .
Speaker #1: Hopefully that answers your question .
Operator: Thank you. That concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO, for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. That concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mike Novogratz, Founder and CEO, for any closing remarks.
Speaker #2: And that concludes the questions and answers. Thank you. That concludes the session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mike Novogratz, founder and CEO, for any closing remarks.
Mike Novogratz: Guys, thanks a lot. We appreciate all the insightful questions and your support. I just want you all to know that we are, we're working our tails off here, and, you know, our eye is certainly on the prize. And so hopefully come back next quarter with better numbers and a better story. Have a great day.
Michael Novogratz: Guys, thanks a lot. We appreciate all the insightful questions and your support. I just want you all to know that we are, we're working our tails off here, and, you know, our eye is certainly on the prize. And so hopefully come back next quarter with better numbers and a better story. Have a great day.
Speaker #4: Guys , thanks a lot . We appreciate all the insightful questions and your support just want . you all to I know that we are we're working our tails off here and , you know , our eye is certainly on the prize .
Speaker #4: And so hopefully, come back next quarter with better numbers and a better story. Have a great day.
Operator: Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
Operator: Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
Speaker #2: Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.
