Speaker #1: I will now turn the call to Mrs. Stephen Ferranti, MACOM Senior Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations, Mr. Ferranti, please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Olivia. Good morning and welcome to our call to discuss quarter of 2026. I would like to remind everyone that our discussion today will contain forward-looking MACOM's financial results for the first fiscal statements which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties as defined in the Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Stephen Ferranti: Thank you, Livia. Good morning, and welcome to our call to discuss MACOM's financial results for Q1 2026. I would like to remind everyone that our discussion today will contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties as defined in the safe harbor for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that result in those differences, we refer you to MACOM's filings with the SEC. Management statements during this call will also include a discussion of certain adjusted non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted non-GAAP results is provided in the company's press release and related Form 8-K, which was filed with the SEC today.
Stephen Ferranti: Thank you, Livia. Good morning, and welcome to our call to discuss MACOM's financial results for Q1 2026. I would like to remind everyone that our discussion today will contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks and uncertainties as defined in the safe harbor for forward-looking statements contained in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that result in those differences, we refer you to MACOM's filings with the SEC. Management statements during this call will also include a discussion of certain adjusted non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted non-GAAP results is provided in the company's press release and related Form 8-K, which was filed with the SEC today.
Speaker #2: Actual results may differ materially from those discussed today. For a more detailed discussion of the risks and uncertainties that result in those differences, SEC.
Speaker #2: Management statements during this call will also include a discussion of certain adjusted results. We refer you to MACOM's filings for more information. A reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted non-GAAP results is provided in the company's press release and related Form 8-K, which was filed with the SEC today.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn non-GAAP financial over the call to Steve Daly, President MACOM.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn non-GAAP financial over the call to Steve Daly, President MACOM. and CEO of Thank you and good morning.
Stephen Ferranti: With that, I'll turn over the call to Steve Daly, President and CEO of MACOM.
Stephen Ferranti: With that, I'll turn over the call to Steve Daly, President and CEO of MACOM.
Stephen Daly: Thank you, and good morning. I will begin today's call with a general company update. After that, Jack Cober, our Chief Financial Officer, will review our Q1 results for fiscal year 2026. When Jack is finished, I will provide revenue and earnings guidance for the second quarter of FY 2026, and then we will be happy to take some questions. Revenue for the first quarter of fiscal 2026 was $271.6 million, and adjusted EPS was $1.02 per diluted share. Customer demand for our products is strong across our three end markets, and our backlog continues to build. Our financial performance improved across most key metrics in Q1. At quarter end, we held approximately $768 million in cash and short-term investments on our balance sheet.
Steve Daly: Thank you, and good morning. I will begin today's call with a general company update. After that, Jack Cober, our Chief Financial Officer, will review our Q1 results for fiscal year 2026. When Jack is finished, I will provide revenue and earnings guidance for the second quarter of FY 2026, and then we will be happy to take some questions. Revenue for the first quarter of fiscal 2026 was $271.6 million, and adjusted EPS was $1.02 per diluted share. Customer demand for our products is strong across our three end markets, and our backlog continues to build. Our financial performance improved across most key metrics in Q1. At quarter end, we held approximately $768 million in cash and short-term investments on our balance sheet.
Speaker #3: I will begin today's call with a general company update. After that, John Kober, our Chief Financial Officer, will review our Q1 results for fiscal year 2026.
Speaker #3: When Jack is finished, I will provide revenue and earnings guidance for the second quarter of FY26, and then we will take some questions. Revenue for the first quarter of fiscal 2026 was $271.6 million, and adjusted EPS was $1.02 per diluted share.
Speaker #3: Demand for our products is strong across our three end markets and our backlog continues to build. Our financial performance improved across most key metrics in Q1.
Speaker #3: At quarter end, we held approximately $768 million in cash and short-term investments on our balance sheet. Our Q1 book-to-bill ratio was 1.3 to 1, and orders booked and shipped within the quarter were 23% of total revenue.
Stephen Daly: Our Q1 book-to-bill ratio was 1.3 to 1, and orders booked and shipped within the quarter was 23% of total revenue. Our Q1 turns business was higher than recent quarters due to strong early quarter bookings. Our current backlog remains at record level. Turning to other recent trends. Q1 revenue performance by end market was as expected, and all end markets grew sequentially. Industrial and Defense was $117.7 million, Data Center was $85.8 million, and Telecom was $68.1 million. Data Center was up approximately 8% sequentially, Telecom was up 3% sequentially, and I&D was up 2% sequentially. Both I&D and Data Center revenues were at record levels. As we review our full fiscal year forecasts, we are gaining confidence that our Data Center revenue could achieve 35% to 40% year-over-year growth.
Steve Daly: Our Q1 book-to-bill ratio was 1.3 to 1, and orders booked and shipped within the quarter was 23% of total revenue. Our Q1 turns business was higher than recent quarters due to strong early quarter bookings. Our current backlog remains at record level. Turning to other recent trends. Q1 revenue performance by end market was as expected, and all end markets grew sequentially. Industrial and Defense was $117.7 million, Data Center was $85.8 million, and Telecom was $68.1 million. Data Center was up approximately 8% sequentially, Telecom was up 3% sequentially, and I&D was up 2% sequentially. Both I&D and Data Center revenues were at record levels. As we review our full fiscal year forecasts, we are gaining confidence that our Data Center revenue could achieve 35% to 40% year-over-year growth.
Speaker #3: Our Q1 turns business was higher than recent quarters due to strong early quarter bookings. Our current backlog remains at record level. Turning to other recent trends, Q1 revenue performance by end market was as expected and all end markets grew sequentially.
Speaker #3: Industrial and defense was 117.7 million, data center was 85.8 million, and telecom was 68.1 million. Data center was up approximately 8% sequentially, telecom was up 3% sequentially, and IND was up 2% sequentially.
Speaker #3: Both IND and data center Hyperscalers capital investments are robust, which is driving demand for our 800 and 1.6T optical and high-speed analog on this opportunity, we have been products.
Speaker #3: revenues were at record levels. As we review our full fiscal year forecasts, center revenue could achieve we are gaining confidence that our data $35 to 40% year-over-year growth.
Stephen Daly: Hyperscalers' capital investments are robust, which is driving demand for our 800 and 1.6T optical and high-speed analog products. To capitalize on this opportunity, we have been expanding, and we will continue to expand our data center product portfolio. As a reminder, our portfolio currently supports NRZ, PAM4, and coherent modulations. We provide products that support VCSEL, EML, and silicon photonic-based optical transmission technologies, as well as electrical connectivity solutions over copper. Revenue growth inside the data center is robust, primarily in pluggable optical modules and optical cables with our 800G and 1.6T PAM4 products. We support our customers' DSP, LPO, and LRO module architectures. We also support customer requirements for coherent DCI hardware, including ZR and ZR Lite.
Steve Daly: Hyperscalers' capital investments are robust, which is driving demand for our 800 and 1.6T optical and high-speed analog products. To capitalize on this opportunity, we have been expanding, and we will continue to expand our data center product portfolio. As a reminder, our portfolio currently supports NRZ, PAM4, and coherent modulations. We provide products that support VCSEL, EML, and silicon photonic-based optical transmission technologies, as well as electrical connectivity solutions over copper. Revenue growth inside the data center is robust, primarily in pluggable optical modules and optical cables with our 800G and 1.6T PAM4 products. We support our customers' DSP, LPO, and LRO module architectures. We also support customer requirements for coherent DCI hardware, including ZR and ZR Lite.
Speaker #3: To expand our data center product portfolio. As a reminder, our portfolio currently supports NRZ, PAM4, and coherent modulations. We provide products that support VCSEL, EML, and silicon photonic-based optical transmission technologies, as well as electrical connectivity solutions over copper.
Speaker #3: Revenue growth inside the data center is robust, primarily in pluggable optical modules and optical cables with our 800G and products. We support our customers' 1.6T PAM4 DSP, LPO, and LRO module architectures.
Speaker #3: We also support customer requirements for coherent DCI hardware including ZR and ZR-Lite. solutions designed for shorter reach coherent applications enable higher bandwidth performance with significantly improved power efficiency compared to traditional coherent systems.
Stephen Daly: MACOM's coherent light solutions, designed for shorter reach coherent applications, enable higher bandwidth performance with significantly improved power efficiency compared to traditional coherent systems. Interest in LPO continues to spread, and we are further supporting customers as they leverage the benefits of a low power and low latency, 400G and 800G optical interconnect solution. In addition, we see interest in enabling a similar value proposition at 1.6T using LRO or LPO implementations. In this case, a 200G per lane solution would be used. We're also supporting LPO use in PCIe and NPO implementations as the industry strives to optimize interconnects for both scale up and scale out. Notably, we are starting to see interest in LPO from telecom front haul applications.
Steve Daly: MACOM's coherent light solutions, designed for shorter reach coherent applications, enable higher bandwidth performance with significantly improved power efficiency compared to traditional coherent systems. Interest in LPO continues to spread, and we are further supporting customers as they leverage the benefits of a low power and low latency, 400G and 800G optical interconnect solution. In addition, we see interest in enabling a similar value proposition at 1.6T using LRO or LPO implementations. In this case, a 200G per lane solution would be used. We're also supporting LPO use in PCIe and NPO implementations as the industry strives to optimize interconnects for both scale up and scale out. Notably, we are starting to see interest in LPO from telecom front haul applications.
Speaker #3: Interest in LPO continues to spread and we are further supporting customers as they leverage the benefits of a low power and low latency 400G and 800G optical interconnect solution.
Speaker #3: In addition, we see interest in enabling a similar value proposition at 1.6T using LRO or LPO 200 gig per lane solution would be used.
Speaker #3: We're also supporting LPO use in PCIe and NPO implementations. In this case, a implementations as the industry strives to optimize interconnects for both scale-up and scale-out.
Speaker #3: And notably, we are starting to see interest in LPO from telecom front-haul applications. Demand for our 200 gig per grow. Supporting 800G and 1.6T lane photodetectors continues to connectivity.
Stephen Daly: Demand for our 200 gig per lane photodetectors continues to grow, supporting 800G and 1.6T connectivity. As I highlighted on our last earnings call, we are adding manufacturing capacity to keep up with our customers' forecasted demand. We have indications that demand will remain strong in calendar 2027, into calendar 2027. Further, MACOM is positioning itself to support next-generation optical receiver platforms at speeds beyond 200 gig per lane. Part of our near-term and long-term growth strategy is to expand our photonics portfolio with higher speed photodetectors and new CW Lasers. We are also seeing renewed interest in our linear equalizer products that help extend the reach of copper interconnects in 800G and 1.6T. Linear equalizers enable longer reach active copper cables, or ACCs, and can enhance signal integrity when used in backplane applications.
Steve Daly: Demand for our 200 gig per lane photodetectors continues to grow, supporting 800G and 1.6T connectivity. As I highlighted on our last earnings call, we are adding manufacturing capacity to keep up with our customers' forecasted demand. We have indications that demand will remain strong in calendar 2027, into calendar 2027. Further, MACOM is positioning itself to support next-generation optical receiver platforms at speeds beyond 200 gig per lane. Part of our near-term and long-term growth strategy is to expand our photonics portfolio with higher speed photodetectors and new CW Lasers. We are also seeing renewed interest in our linear equalizer products that help extend the reach of copper interconnects in 800G and 1.6T. Linear equalizers enable longer reach active copper cables, or ACCs, and can enhance signal integrity when used in backplane applications.
Speaker #3: As I highlighted on our last earnings call, we are adding manufacturing capacity to keep up with our customers' forecasted demand will remain strong in demand.
Speaker #3: calendar 2027 into We have indications that calendar 2027. Further, MACOM is positioning itself to support next generation optical receiver platforms at speeds beyond 200 gig per lane.
Speaker #3: Part of our near-term and long-term growth strategy is to expand our photonics portfolio with higher speed photodetectors and new CW lasers. We are also seeing renewed interest in our linear equalizer products that help extend the reach of copper interconnects in 800G and 1.6T.
Speaker #3: Linear equalizers enable longer reach active copper cables or ACCs and can enhance signal integrity when used in backplane applications. We are working closely with multiple customers to requirements and various use address their program specific cases.
Stephen Daly: We are working closely with multiple customers to address their program-specific requirements and various use cases. MACOM's roadmap extends to 3.2T technologies, and we have aligned our product roadmaps and resources with our customers' needs to ensure we deliver the right technology at the right time. Our future products are increasingly optimized for co-packaged and highly integrated architectures, like CPO and NPO. We can differentiate in this market based on our strong customer relationships, IC and system design expertise, as well as our unique photonic materials and product design expertise. And finally, we have successfully launched a PCIe 6 optical chipset that supports sideband data streams over fiber, and we have expanded the portfolio with a new PCIe 7 equalizer. These ICs provide new exposure to the compute side of the data center network.
Steve Daly: We are working closely with multiple customers to address their program-specific requirements and various use cases. MACOM's roadmap extends to 3.2T technologies, and we have aligned our product roadmaps and resources with our customers' needs to ensure we deliver the right technology at the right time. Our future products are increasingly optimized for co-packaged and highly integrated architectures, like CPO and NPO. We can differentiate in this market based on our strong customer relationships, IC and system design expertise, as well as our unique photonic materials and product design expertise. And finally, we have successfully launched a PCIe 6 optical chipset that supports sideband data streams over fiber, and we have expanded the portfolio with a new PCIe 7 equalizer. These ICs provide new exposure to the compute side of the data center network.
Speaker #3: MACOM's roadmap extends to 3.2T technologies and we have aligned our product roadmaps and resources with our customers' needs to ensure we deliver the right technology at the right time.
Speaker #3: Our future products are co-packaged and highly integrated architectures like CPO and increasingly optimized for NPO. We can differentiate in this market based on our strong customer relationships, IC and system design expertise, as well as our unique photonic materials and product design expertise.
Speaker #3: And finally, we have successfully launched a PCIe 6 optical chipset that supports sideband data streams over fiber, and we have expanded the portfolio with a new PCIe 7 equalizer.
Speaker #3: These ICs provide new exposure to the compute side of the data center network. These products and associated solutions will be on display at the design con show in Santa Clara, California later this month.
Stephen Daly: These products and associated solutions will be on display at the DesignCon show in Santa Clara, California, later this month. Similar to the data center, we see many growth opportunities across the industrial and defense markets, but primarily in the defense segment. Advanced radars, electronic warfare, and new communication systems are using higher frequencies, higher RF or microwave power levels, and higher levels of integration. These requirements play to our strengths, and we offer our customers turnkey support from custom chip design to subsystem solutions. We are a supplier of choice among many of the large US defense OEMs, and we continue to work to expand MACOM's presence and brand in Europe. The pace of innovation in the defense market is accelerating by both the traditional defense primes and the newer, more nimble defense companies.
Steve Daly: These products and associated solutions will be on display at the DesignCon show in Santa Clara, California, later this month. Similar to the data center, we see many growth opportunities across the industrial and defense markets, but primarily in the defense segment. Advanced radars, electronic warfare, and new communication systems are using higher frequencies, higher RF or microwave power levels, and higher levels of integration. These requirements play to our strengths, and we offer our customers turnkey support from custom chip design to subsystem solutions. We are a supplier of choice among many of the large US defense OEMs, and we continue to work to expand MACOM's presence and brand in Europe. The pace of innovation in the defense market is accelerating by both the traditional defense primes and the newer, more nimble defense companies.
Speaker #3: Similar to the data center, we see many growth opportunities across the industrial and defense markets. But primarily in the defense segment. Advanced radars, electronic warfare, and new communication systems are using higher frequencies, higher RF or microwave power levels, and higher levels of integration.
Speaker #3: These requirements play to our strengths, and we offer our customers turnkey support from custom chip design to subsystem solutions. We are a supplier of choice among many of the large U.S. defense OEMs, and we continue to work to expand MACOM's presence and brand in Europe.
Speaker #3: The pace of innovation in the defense market is accelerating by both the traditional defense primes and the newer, more nimble defense companies. As an example, new risks from drone attacks are driving the need for an entirely new platform to detect, identify, track, and respond to these threats.
Stephen Daly: As an example, new risks from drone attacks are driving the need for an entirely new platform to detect, identify, track, and respond to these threats. MACOM has a portfolio of products and system engineering capabilities to support our customers' fast design and manufacturing timelines. Our defense customer base is large and very broad, and we typically support radar systems, missile and missile defense systems, drone and drone defense systems, and wideband electronic warfare systems. I'll illustrate four examples where our products have a competitive advantage in the defense market. MACOM has developed a family of industry-leading, high efficient, wideband gain MMIC amplifiers that significantly reduce the transmitter's heat dissipation. This is critical for small form factor applications. Our GaN technology supports directed RF energy solutions. Our 7kW devices lead the industry.
Steve Daly: As an example, new risks from drone attacks are driving the need for an entirely new platform to detect, identify, track, and respond to these threats. MACOM has a portfolio of products and system engineering capabilities to support our customers' fast design and manufacturing timelines. Our defense customer base is large and very broad, and we typically support radar systems, missile and missile defense systems, drone and drone defense systems, and wideband electronic warfare systems. I'll illustrate four examples where our products have a competitive advantage in the defense market. MACOM has developed a family of industry-leading, high efficient, wideband gain MMIC amplifiers that significantly reduce the transmitter's heat dissipation. This is critical for small form factor applications. Our GaN technology supports directed RF energy solutions. Our 7kW devices lead the industry.
Speaker #3: MACOM has a portfolio of products and system engineering capabilities to support our customers' fast design and manufacturing timelines. Our defense customer base is large and very broad and we typically support radar systems, missile and missile defense systems, drone and drone defense systems, and wideband electronic warfare systems.
Speaker #3: I'll illustrate four examples where our products have a competitive advantage in the defense market. MACOM has developed a family of industry-leading, high-efficiency, wideband gain mimic amplifiers that significantly reduce the transmitter's heat dissipation.
Speaker #3: This is critical for small form factor applications. Argand Technology supports directed RF energy solutions. Our industry—our RF distributed distribution of RF over fiber products enable and microwave signals over long, seven-kilowatt devices lead the distances using linear photonics.
Stephen Daly: Our RF over fiber products enable distribution of RF and microwave signals over long distances using linear photonics. Our products are typically used in phased array radars, remote antennas, and towed decoy applications. When it comes to receiver protection diodes, whether in a radio or a radar, MACOM is the golden standard in the industry for performance and quality. We like to combine our proprietary core technologies with microwave systems engineering capabilities. This enables us to engage much earlier in our customers' project design cycles and presents the full scope of MACOM's capabilities to help solve the customer's technical challenges. Within the telecom end market, satellite-based broadband access and direct-to-cell opportunities remain robust, with numerous LEO networks in the planning stages.
Steve Daly: Our RF over fiber products enable distribution of RF and microwave signals over long distances using linear photonics. Our products are typically used in phased array radars, remote antennas, and towed decoy applications. When it comes to receiver protection diodes, whether in a radio or a radar, MACOM is the golden standard in the industry for performance and quality. We like to combine our proprietary core technologies with microwave systems engineering capabilities. This enables us to engage much earlier in our customers' project design cycles and presents the full scope of MACOM's capabilities to help solve the customer's technical challenges. Within the telecom end market, satellite-based broadband access and direct-to-cell opportunities remain robust, with numerous LEO networks in the planning stages.
Speaker #3: Our products are typically used in phased array radars, remote antennas, and towed decoy applications. And when it comes to receiver protection diodes, whether in a radio or a radar, MACOM is the golden standard in the industry for performance and quality.
Speaker #3: We like to combine our proprietary core technologies with microwave systems engineering capabilities. This enables us to engage much earlier in our customers' project design cycles and presents the full scope of MACOM's capabilities to help solve customer's technical challenges.
Speaker #3: Within the telecom end market, satellite-based broadband access and direct-to-sell opportunities remain robust with stages. The number of LEO satellites planned to be launched continues to grow as more companies compete to provide commercial broadband data, voice, and video communications by satellite.
Stephen Daly: The number of LEO satellites planned to be launched continues to grow as more companies compete to provide commercial broadband data, voice, and video communications by satellite. These networks typically use microwave or millimeter wave frequencies and free space optics, or FSO, communications for satellite-to-satellite or satellite-to-ground communications. LEO and MEO constellations have many key areas where MACOM can contribute, including large phased array antennas with active beam steering, direct-to-device links operating at UHF or S-band, backhaul links operating at Ka, Q, V, and E-band, data center-like electronics with high-speed optical links transferring data within or across the satellite, free space optics for satellite-to-satellite communications, and ground terminal and gateway linearization for high-power transmitters. Ground stations and gateways are a key part of the LEO networks. MACOM specializes in designing products and solutions that overcome nonlinearity of RF, microwave, and millimeter wave signal transmission for satellite communication systems.
Steve Daly: The number of LEO satellites planned to be launched continues to grow as more companies compete to provide commercial broadband data, voice, and video communications by satellite. These networks typically use microwave or millimeter wave frequencies and free space optics, or FSO, communications for satellite-to-satellite or satellite-to-ground communications. LEO and MEO constellations have many key areas where MACOM can contribute, including large phased array antennas with active beam steering, direct-to-device links operating at UHF or S-band, backhaul links operating at Ka, Q, V, and E-band, data center-like electronics with high-speed optical links transferring data within or across the satellite, free space optics for satellite-to-satellite communications, and ground terminal and gateway linearization for high-power transmitters. Ground stations and gateways are a key part of the LEO networks. MACOM specializes in designing products and solutions that overcome nonlinearity of RF, microwave, and millimeter wave signal transmission for satellite communication systems.
Speaker #3: These networks typically use microwave or millimeter wave frequencies and free space optics, or FSO, communications for satellite-to-satellite or satellite-to-ground communications. LEO and MEO constellations have many key areas where MACOM can contribute, including large phased array antennas with active beam steering, direct-to-device links operating at UHF or S-band, backhaul links operating at KA, Q, V, and E-band, data center-like electronics with high-speed optical links transferring data within or across the satellite, free space optics for satellite-to-satellite communications and ground terminal and gateway linearization for high-power transmitters.
Speaker #3: Ground stations and gateways are a key part of the LEO networks. MACOM specializes in designing products and solutions that RF, microwave, and millimeter wave overcome non-linearity of signal transmission for satellite communication systems.
Speaker #3: In many cases, ground-to-satellite links prefer linearization of SSPAs or TWTAs to boost the linear power efficiency of the link. I would like to update investors on the status of our $55 million satellite contract that we were awarded and announced previously.
Stephen Daly: In many cases, ground-to-satellite links prefer linearization of SSPAs or TWTAs to boost the linear power efficiency of the link. I would like to update investors on the status of our $55 million satellite contract that we were awarded and announced previously. Production is planned to start in the second half of calendar 2026. The schedule delay is primarily driven by satellite system changes flowed down from our customer, which impact the design of the hardware we deliver. Overall, we view this as a positive because the system changes can add new functionality, which broadens the application space for the constellation. Turning towards the 5G segment we serve, our global team continues to secure new business in the macro base station market, driven by the need for high-performance amplifiers and multiband radios.
Steve Daly: In many cases, ground-to-satellite links prefer linearization of SSPAs or TWTAs to boost the linear power efficiency of the link. I would like to update investors on the status of our $55 million satellite contract that we were awarded and announced previously. Production is planned to start in the second half of calendar 2026. The schedule delay is primarily driven by satellite system changes flowed down from our customer, which impact the design of the hardware we deliver. Overall, we view this as a positive because the system changes can add new functionality, which broadens the application space for the constellation. Turning towards the 5G segment we serve, our global team continues to secure new business in the macro base station market, driven by the need for high-performance amplifiers and multiband radios.
Speaker #3: Production is planned to start in the second half of calendar 2026. The schedule delay is primarily driven by satellite system changes flowed down from our customer, which impact the design of the hardware we deliver.
Speaker #3: Overall, we view this as a positive because the system changes can add new functionality which broadens the application space for the constellation. Turning towards the 5G segment we serve, our global team continues to secure new business in the macro base station market.
Speaker #3: Driven by the need for high-performance amplifiers and multiband radios, we are making good progress improving the overall performance and competitiveness of our base station portfolio with major improvements in the 2.7 and 3.5 gigahertz bands.
Stephen Daly: We are making good progress improving the overall performance and competitiveness of our base station portfolio, with major improvements in the 2.7 GHz and 3.5 GHz bands. Our RF power team is sampling products using our new GaN 4 technology, which will further improve our competitiveness. We recognize the two major European base station OEMs expect the global RAN market to be flat in 2026, with regional variations. Both companies recently commented on a significant potential upside from the EU's high-risk vendor replacement initiative, and this might provide MACOM upside growth over the long term. Future base station demand is supported by additional 5G rollouts, growing AI-driven connectivity needs, and emerging mission-critical defense markets. We believe the cable infrastructure market segment is also improving.
Steve Daly: We are making good progress improving the overall performance and competitiveness of our base station portfolio, with major improvements in the 2.7 GHz and 3.5 GHz bands. Our RF power team is sampling products using our new GaN 4 technology, which will further improve our competitiveness. We recognize the two major European base station OEMs expect the global RAN market to be flat in 2026, with regional variations. Both companies recently commented on a significant potential upside from the EU's high-risk vendor replacement initiative, and this might provide MACOM upside growth over the long term. Future base station demand is supported by additional 5G rollouts, growing AI-driven connectivity needs, and emerging mission-critical defense markets. We believe the cable infrastructure market segment is also improving.
Speaker #3: Our RF Power team is sampling products using our new GAN4 technology, which will further improve our competitiveness. We recognize the two major European base station OEMs expect the global RAN market to be flat in 2026, with regional variations.
Speaker #3: Both companies recently commented on a significant potential upside from the EU's high-risk vendor replacement initiative and this might provide MACOM upside growth over the long term.
Speaker #3: Future base station demand is supported by additional 5G rollouts growing AI-driven connectivity needs and emerging mission-critical defense markets. We believe the cable infrastructure market segment is also improving.
Speaker #3: Cable networks are in transition from DOCSIS 3.1 to DOCSIS 4.0 and we have been releasing new products and working with customers on design wins to support this upgrade.
Stephen Daly: Cable networks are in transition from DOCSIS 3.1 to DOCSIS 4.0, and we have been releasing new products and working with customers on design wins to support this upgrade. We expect the cable TV market will be a modest contributor to our telecom revenue growth in FY 2026. Next, I'll quickly summarize progress on our five goals for FY 2026, which we outlined on our last earnings call. First, take advantage of the data center opportunity. We continue to enhance our design teams and expand our presence in the data center, and we are raising our data center year-over-year revenue growth base case from 20% to 35% to 40%. Second, to expand our 5G market share. We are excited to be sampling our next generation GaN 4 products to our customers.
Steve Daly: Cable networks are in transition from DOCSIS 3.1 to DOCSIS 4.0, and we have been releasing new products and working with customers on design wins to support this upgrade. We expect the cable TV market will be a modest contributor to our telecom revenue growth in FY 2026. Next, I'll quickly summarize progress on our five goals for FY 2026, which we outlined on our last earnings call. First, take advantage of the data center opportunity. We continue to enhance our design teams and expand our presence in the data center, and we are raising our data center year-over-year revenue growth base case from 20% to 35% to 40%. Second, to expand our 5G market share. We are excited to be sampling our next generation GaN 4 products to our customers.
Speaker #3: We expect the cable TV market will be a modest contributor to our telecom revenue growth and FY26. Next, I'll quickly summarize progress on our five goals for our last earnings call.
Speaker #3: First, take advantage of the data center opportunity. and expand our presence in the data We continue to enhance our design teams center and we are raising our data center year-over-year revenue growth base case from 20% to 35% to 40%.
Speaker #3: Second, to expand our 5G market share. We are excited to be sampling our next generation GAN4 products to our customers. In addition, we see that one of our competitors is exiting the 5G RF power GAN market and we hope to benefit from this competitive landscape shift.
Stephen Daly: In addition, we see that one of our competitors is exiting the 5G RF power GaN market, and we hope to benefit from this competitive landscape shift. Related to this event, we recently hired a team of experienced engineers to complement our existing RF power team. Third, extend leadership in A&D. Our defense business continues to grow, and our team continues to win large IC module and subsystem programs. Fourth, continue to develop advanced III-V semiconductor technologies. Our technology teams are making progress developing advanced GaN-on-silicon processes, while also installing new equipment to modernize and expand manufacturing capabilities. And last, to manage our capital and investments.
Steve Daly: In addition, we see that one of our competitors is exiting the 5G RF power GaN market, and we hope to benefit from this competitive landscape shift. Related to this event, we recently hired a team of experienced engineers to complement our existing RF power team. Third, extend leadership in A&D. Our defense business continues to grow, and our team continues to win large IC module and subsystem programs. Fourth, continue to develop advanced III-V semiconductor technologies. Our technology teams are making progress developing advanced GaN-on-silicon processes, while also installing new equipment to modernize and expand manufacturing capabilities. And last, to manage our capital and investments.
Speaker #3: Related to this event, we recently hired a team of experienced engineers to complement our existing RF power team, A&D. Our defense business continues to grow and our team continues to win large IC module and subsystem programs.
Speaker #3: Fourth, continue to develop advanced 3.5 semiconductor technologies. Our technology teams are making progress developing advanced GaN-on-silicon processes while also installing new equipment to modernize and expand manufacturing capabilities.
Speaker #3: And last, to manage our capital and investments. As Jack will note, our return on capital metrics and trends continue to improve and we plan to manage investments to achieve superior returns.
Stephen Daly: As Jack will note, our return on capital metrics and trends continue to improve, and we plan to manage investments to achieve superior returns. In summary, our strategy is to continue to build a best-in-class and diversified semiconductor portfolio that will enable MACOM to capture a larger share of the three markets we focus on. Our agility and strong teamwork across our organization helps us address opportunities and ultimately beat our competitors that are often larger and have more resources. Jack will now provide a more detailed review of our financial results.
Steve Daly: As Jack will note, our return on capital metrics and trends continue to improve, and we plan to manage investments to achieve superior returns. In summary, our strategy is to continue to build a best-in-class and diversified semiconductor portfolio that will enable MACOM to capture a larger share of the three markets we focus on. Our agility and strong teamwork across our organization helps us address opportunities and ultimately beat our competitors that are often larger and have more resources. Jack will now provide a more detailed review of our financial results.
Speaker #3: In summary, our strategy is to continue to build a best-in-class and diversified semiconductor portfolio that will enable MACOM to capture a larger share of the three markets we focus on.
Speaker #3: Our agility and strong teamwork across our organization helps us address opportunities and ultimately beat our competitors that are often larger and have more resources.
Speaker #3: Jack will now provide a more detailed review of our financial results.
John Kober: Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. The results from our first quarter were solid, and MACOM achieved a few new quarterly records associated with our financial performance. Our teams continue to focus on executing our strategic plan and driving increased revenue and profitability. Fiscal Q1 revenue was $271.6 million, up 4% sequentially and up 24.5% year-over-year, driven by growth across all three of our end markets. We have seen continued strong bookings across all of our end markets, resulting in a book to bill, which increased to 1.3 to 1. This was one of our strongest quarterly bookings in the company's history and our highest quarterly book to bill ratio since Q3 2021.
Jack Kober: Thanks, Steve, and good morning, everyone. The results from our first quarter were solid, and MACOM achieved a few new quarterly records associated with our financial performance. Our teams continue to focus on executing our strategic plan and driving increased revenue and profitability. Fiscal Q1 revenue was $271.6 million, up 4% sequentially and up 24.5% year-over-year, driven by growth across all three of our end markets. We have seen continued strong bookings across all of our end markets, resulting in a book to bill, which increased to 1.3 to 1. This was one of our strongest quarterly bookings in the company's history and our highest quarterly book to bill ratio since Q3 2021.
Speaker #2: Steve, and good morning, everyone. The Thanks, results from our first quarter were solid and MACOM achieved a few new quarterly records associated with our financial performance.
Speaker #2: Our teams continue to focus on executing our strategic plan and driving increased revenue and profitability. Fiscal Q1 revenue was $271.6 million, up 4% sequentially and up 24.5% year-over-year, driven by growth across all three of our end markets.
Speaker #2: We have seen continued strong bookings across all of our end markets, resulting in a book-to-bill which increased to 1.3 to 1. This was one of our strongest quarterly bookings in the company's history and our highest quarterly book-to-bill ratio since Q3 2021.
Speaker #2: On a geographic basis, revenue from U.S. domestic customers represented approximately 45.6% of our fiscal Q1 results, a slight increase over both the prior quarter and Q1 of fiscal year 2025.
John Kober: On a geographic basis, revenue from US domestic customers represented approximately 45.6% of our fiscal Q1 results, a slight increase over both the prior quarter and Q1 of fiscal year 2025. Adjusted gross profit for fiscal Q1 was $156.5 million, or 57.6% of revenue. Through the diligent and consistent hard work of our dedicated operations team, we have continued to increase our capacity and improve yields, and we expect to see ongoing incremental progress across all four of our fab operations during fiscal 2026. The increase in product demand across our internal fabs has resulted in improving utilization and associated incremental gross margin improvement. As a result, we continue to expect sequential quarterly gross margin improvements of between 25 to 50 basis points as we move through the remainder of fiscal 2026.
Jack Kober: On a geographic basis, revenue from US domestic customers represented approximately 45.6% of our fiscal Q1 results, a slight increase over both the prior quarter and Q1 of fiscal year 2025. Adjusted gross profit for fiscal Q1 was $156.5 million, or 57.6% of revenue. Through the diligent and consistent hard work of our dedicated operations team, we have continued to increase our capacity and improve yields, and we expect to see ongoing incremental progress across all four of our fab operations during fiscal 2026. The increase in product demand across our internal fabs has resulted in improving utilization and associated incremental gross margin improvement. As a result, we continue to expect sequential quarterly gross margin improvements of between 25 to 50 basis points as we move through the remainder of fiscal 2026.
Speaker #2: Adjusted gross profit for fiscal Q1 was $156.5 million, or 57.6% of revenue. Through the diligent and consistent hard work of our dedicated operations team, we have continued to increase our capacity and improve yields.
Speaker #2: And we expect to see ongoing incremental progress across all four of our fab operations during fiscal 2026. The increase in product demand across our internal fabs has resulted in improving utilization and associated incremental gross margin to expect sequential improvement.
Speaker #2: As a result, we continue quarterly gross margin improvements of between 25% to 50 basis points as we move through the remainder of 2026. These improvements include any potential offsets to cost increases, such as gold and other precious fiscal metals, depreciation, and labor costs.
John Kober: These improvements include any potential offsets to cost increases, such as gold and other precious metals, depreciation, and labor costs. Total adjusted operating expense for our first quarter was $82.5 million, consisting of research and development expense of $55.8 million, and selling general and administrative expense of $26.7 million. The anticipated sequential increase in adjusted operating expense compared to Q4 was primarily driven by ongoing R&D investments and employee-related costs. As our business continues to grow, we expect associated OpEx growth, primarily related to higher R&D and higher variable costs. Consistent with our practice, we will remain very focused on managing our OpEx to balance long-term revenue growth and profitability with continued investment in the business. Depreciation expense for fiscal Q1 2026 remained stable at $8.7 million, the same as the prior quarter.
Jack Kober: These improvements include any potential offsets to cost increases, such as gold and other precious metals, depreciation, and labor costs. Total adjusted operating expense for our first quarter was $82.5 million, consisting of research and development expense of $55.8 million, and selling general and administrative expense of $26.7 million. The anticipated sequential increase in adjusted operating expense compared to Q4 was primarily driven by ongoing R&D investments and employee-related costs. As our business continues to grow, we expect associated OpEx growth, primarily related to higher R&D and higher variable costs. Consistent with our practice, we will remain very focused on managing our OpEx to balance long-term revenue growth and profitability with continued investment in the business. Depreciation expense for fiscal Q1 2026 remained stable at $8.7 million, the same as the prior quarter.
Speaker #2: Total adjusted operating expense for our first quarter was $82.5 million, consisting of $55.8 million, and selling general and administrative expense of $26.7 million. The anticipated sequential increase in adjusted operating expense compared to Q4 was primarily driven by ongoing R&D investments and employee-related costs.
Speaker #2: As our business continues to grow, we expect associated OPEX growth, primarily related to higher R&D and higher variable costs. Consistent with our practice, we will remain very focused on managing our OPEX to balance long-term revenue growth and profitability, with continued investment in the business.
Speaker #2: Depreciation expense for fiscal Q1 2026 remained stable at $8.7 million, the same as the prior quarter. Adjusted operating income in fiscal Q1 was another record coming in at $74 million, up 10.4% sequentially from $67 million in fiscal Q4 2025 and up 33.5% year-over-year.
John Kober: Adjusted operating income in fiscal Q1 was another record, coming in at $74 million, up 10.4% sequentially from $67 million in fiscal Q4 2025, and up 33.5% year-over-year. For fiscal Q1, we had adjusted net interest income of $6.7 million, a slight decrease of less than $100,000 sequentially from $6.6 million in Q4. Our adjusted income tax rate in fiscal Q1 was 3% and resulted in an expense of approximately $2.4 million. As of 2 January 2026, our deferred tax asset balances remained at $208 million. We anticipate further utilizing our deferred tax asset balances, including R&D tax credits, through fiscal 2026 and beyond, helping to keep our cash tax payments relatively low over these periods.
Jack Kober: Adjusted operating income in fiscal Q1 was another record, coming in at $74 million, up 10.4% sequentially from $67 million in fiscal Q4 2025, and up 33.5% year-over-year. For fiscal Q1, we had adjusted net interest income of $6.7 million, a slight decrease of less than $100,000 sequentially from $6.6 million in Q4. Our adjusted income tax rate in fiscal Q1 was 3% and resulted in an expense of approximately $2.4 million. As of 2 January 2026, our deferred tax asset balances remained at $208 million. We anticipate further utilizing our deferred tax asset balances, including R&D tax credits, through fiscal 2026 and beyond, helping to keep our cash tax payments relatively low over these periods.
Speaker #2: For fiscal Q1, we had adjusted net interest income of $6.7 million, a slight decrease of less than $100,000 sequentially from $6.6 million in Q4.
Speaker #2: Our adjusted income tax rate in fiscal Q1 was 3% and resulted in an expense of approximately $2.4 million. As of January 2, asset balances remained at $208 2026, our deferred tax million.
Speaker #2: We anticipate further utilizing our deferred tax asset balances including R&D tax credits, through fiscal 2026 and beyond, helping to keep our cash tax payments relatively low over these periods.
Speaker #2: expect our adjusted income tax rate to remain at 3% as We we continue through fiscal 2026. Depending on the jurisdictional mix of our income, we expect the US government's recent tax legislation to support a low to mid-single-digit adjusted tax rate for the next few fiscal years.
John Kober: We expect our adjusted income tax rate to remain at 3% as we continue through fiscal 2026. Depending on the jurisdictional mix of our income, we expect the US government's recent tax legislation to support a low to mid-single digit adjusted tax rate for the next few fiscal years. Fiscal Q1 adjusted net income increased approximately 9.6% to $78.2 million, compared to $71.4 million in fiscal Q4 2025. Adjusted earnings per fully diluted share was $1.02, utilizing a share count of 76.7 million shares, compared to $0.94 of adjusted earnings per share in fiscal Q4 2025. I'll note, exceeding $1 per share of quarterly EPS is a milestone for the company.
Jack Kober: We expect our adjusted income tax rate to remain at 3% as we continue through fiscal 2026. Depending on the jurisdictional mix of our income, we expect the US government's recent tax legislation to support a low to mid-single digit adjusted tax rate for the next few fiscal years. Fiscal Q1 adjusted net income increased approximately 9.6% to $78.2 million, compared to $71.4 million in fiscal Q4 2025. Adjusted earnings per fully diluted share was $1.02, utilizing a share count of 76.7 million shares, compared to $0.94 of adjusted earnings per share in fiscal Q4 2025. I'll note, exceeding $1 per share of quarterly EPS is a milestone for the company.
Speaker #2: Fiscal Q1 adjusted net income increased approximately 9.6% to $78.2 million, compared to $71.4 million in fiscal Q4 2025. Adjusted earnings per fully diluted share was $1.02, utilizing a share count of 76.7 million shares, compared to 94 cents of adjusted earnings per share in fiscal Q4 2025.
Speaker #2: I'll note exceeding $1 per share of quarterly EPS is a milestone for the company. Our team continues to optimize the business's performance, which has resulted in sequential increases in our adjusted operating income and EPS over the past 10 quarters.
John Kober: Our team continues to optimize the business's performance, which has resulted in sequential increases in our adjusted operating income and EPS over the past 10 quarters. Now, on to operational balance sheet and cash flow items. Our Q1 accounts receivable balance was $160 million, up from $148.6 million in fiscal Q4 2025. The increase in our accounts receivable balance was driven by sequential quarterly revenue growth, as well as timing of customer shipments and payments. Our day sales outstanding averaged 54 days compared to the previous quarter at 52 days. Inventories were $238.9 million at quarter end, up sequentially from $237.8 million, largely driven by additional work in process inventory at the RTP and Lowell fabs, as well as higher balances to support anticipated future demand across the business.
Jack Kober: Our team continues to optimize the business's performance, which has resulted in sequential increases in our adjusted operating income and EPS over the past 10 quarters. Now, on to operational balance sheet and cash flow items. Our Q1 accounts receivable balance was $160 million, up from $148.6 million in fiscal Q4 2025. The increase in our accounts receivable balance was driven by sequential quarterly revenue growth, as well as timing of customer shipments and payments. Our day sales outstanding averaged 54 days compared to the previous quarter at 52 days. Inventories were $238.9 million at quarter end, up sequentially from $237.8 million, largely driven by additional work in process inventory at the RTP and Lowell fabs, as well as higher balances to support anticipated future demand across the business.
Speaker #2: Now, onto operational balance sheet and cash flow items. Our Q1 accounts receivable balance was $160 million, up from $148.6 million in fiscal Q4 2025.
Speaker #2: The increase in our accounts receivable balance was driven by sequential quarterly revenue growth, as well as timing of customer shipments and payments. Our day sales outstanding averaged $54 days compared to the previous quarter at $52 days.
Speaker #2: Inventories were $238.9 million at quarter end, up sequentially from $237.8 million. Largely driven by additional work in process inventory at the RTP and Lowell fabs.
Speaker #2: As well as higher balances to support anticipated future demand across the business. Inventory turns remained steady at 1.9 times, the same level as the preceding quarter.
John Kober: Inventory turns remained steady at 1.9 times, the same level as the preceding quarter. Fiscal Q1 cash flow from operations was approximately $42.9 million, down $26.7 million sequentially. The sequential decrease was primarily due to the typical timing of supplier and employee-related payments, as well as other changes in working capital balances during the quarter. We expect that our Q2 cash flow from operations will be in excess of $60 million. Capital expenditures totaled $12.9 million for fiscal Q1. We continue to estimate fiscal year 2026 CapEx to be in the range of $50 to 55 million as we upgrade and enhance our production and engineering equipment, facilities, and expand capacity where needed. Moving on to other balance sheet items. Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments for the first fiscal quarter were $768 million.
Jack Kober: Inventory turns remained steady at 1.9 times, the same level as the preceding quarter. Fiscal Q1 cash flow from operations was approximately $42.9 million, down $26.7 million sequentially. The sequential decrease was primarily due to the typical timing of supplier and employee-related payments, as well as other changes in working capital balances during the quarter. We expect that our Q2 cash flow from operations will be in excess of $60 million. Capital expenditures totaled $12.9 million for fiscal Q1. We continue to estimate fiscal year 2026 CapEx to be in the range of $50 to 55 million as we upgrade and enhance our production and engineering equipment, facilities, and expand capacity where needed. Moving on to other balance sheet items. Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments for the first fiscal quarter were $768 million.
Speaker #2: Fiscal Q1 cash flow from operations was approximately $42.9 million, down 26.7 million sequentially. The sequential decrease was primarily due to the typical timing of supplier and employee-related payments as well as other changes in working capital balances during the quarter.
Speaker #2: We expect that our Q2 cash flow from operations will be in excess of $60 million. Capital expenditures totaled $12.9 million for fiscal Q1. We continue to estimate fiscal year 2026 CapEx to be in the range of $50 to $55 million, as we upgrade and enhance our production and engineering equipment, facilities, and expand capacity where needed.
Speaker #2: Moving on to other balance sheet items. Cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investments for the first fiscal quarter were $768 million. We are in a net cash position of more than $268 million as of January 2, 2026, when comparing our cash and short-term investments to the book value of our convertible notes.
John Kober: We are in a net cash position of more than $268 million as of 2 January 2026, when comparing our cash and short-term investments to the book value of our convertible notes. In mid-March, we anticipate retiring our 2021 convertible notes by paying out $161 million of principal value in cash and settling any conversion premium with shares of our common stock. Shares associated with this settlement have been included in our fully diluted share count, as well as our guidance for Q2. Our remaining debt balance is approximately $340 million of convertible notes, which mature in December 2029. I would like to highlight that over the past several years, we have been focused on growing our profitability and carefully managing our operating asset base, resulting in an improving return on invested capital.
Jack Kober: We are in a net cash position of more than $268 million as of 2 January 2026, when comparing our cash and short-term investments to the book value of our convertible notes. In mid-March, we anticipate retiring our 2021 convertible notes by paying out $161 million of principal value in cash and settling any conversion premium with shares of our common stock. Shares associated with this settlement have been included in our fully diluted share count, as well as our guidance for Q2. Our remaining debt balance is approximately $340 million of convertible notes, which mature in December 2029. I would like to highlight that over the past several years, we have been focused on growing our profitability and carefully managing our operating asset base, resulting in an improving return on invested capital.
Speaker #2: In mid-March, we anticipate retiring our 2021 convertible notes by paying out $161 million of principal value in cash and settling any conversion premium with shares of our common stock.
Speaker #2: Shares our fully diluted share count as well as our guidance for Q2. Our remaining debt balance is associated with this settlement have been included in approximately $340 million, of convertible notes which mature in December 2029.
Speaker #2: I would like to highlight that over the past several years, we have been focused on growing our profitability and carefully managing our operating asset base, resulting in an improving return on invested capital.
Speaker #2: We feel this ROIC improvement demonstrates the effectiveness of our business strategy and furthers our goal of building long-term financial strength for the company. Thanks to the entire MACOM team for their contributions to help make this another quarter which included the achievement of additional record results.
John Kober: We feel this ROIC improvement demonstrates the effectiveness of our business strategy and furthers our goal of building long-term financial strength for the company. Thanks to the entire MACOM team for their contributions to help make this another quarter, which included the achievement of additional record results. Now back over to Steve.
Jack Kober: We feel this ROIC improvement demonstrates the effectiveness of our business strategy and furthers our goal of building long-term financial strength for the company. Thanks to the entire MACOM team for their contributions to help make this another quarter, which included the achievement of additional record results. Now back over to Steve.
Speaker #2: Now back over to Steve. Thank you, Jack. MACOM expects revenue in fiscal Q2 ending April 3, 2026, to be in the range of $281 to $289 million.
Stephen Daly: Thank you, Jack. MACOM expects revenue in fiscal Q2, ending 3 April 2026, to be in the range of $281 to $289 million. Adjusted gross margin is expected to be in the range of 57% to 59%, and adjusted earnings per share is expected to be between $1.05 and $1.09, based on 77.7 million fully diluted shares. We expect sequential revenue growth in each of our three end markets. We expect that data center will achieve low to mid-teens sequential growth, and we expect telecom, industrial, and defense will achieve low single-digit sequential growth. As Jack highlighted, we expect to make incremental progress, improving our profitability and financial performance in Q2. Last, I would like to welcome Brian Ingram, who joined our board of directors on 12 January.
Steve Daly: Thank you, Jack. MACOM expects revenue in fiscal Q2, ending 3 April 2026, to be in the range of $281 to $289 million. Adjusted gross margin is expected to be in the range of 57% to 59%, and adjusted earnings per share is expected to be between $1.05 and $1.09, based on 77.7 million fully diluted shares. We expect sequential revenue growth in each of our three end markets. We expect that data center will achieve low to mid-teens sequential growth, and we expect telecom, industrial, and defense will achieve low single-digit sequential growth. As Jack highlighted, we expect to make incremental progress, improving our profitability and financial performance in Q2. Last, I would like to welcome Brian Ingram, who joined our board of directors on 12 January.
Speaker #2: Adjusted gross margin is expected to be in the range of $59%. An adjusted earnings per $57 to share is expected to be between $1.05 and $1.09, based on 77.7 million fully diluted shares.
Speaker #2: We expect sequential revenue growth in each of our that data center will achieve low to mid-teens sequential growth, and we expect telecom and industrial and defense will achieve low single-digit sequential growth.
Speaker #2: As Jack highlighted, we expect to make incremental progress improving our profitability and financial performance in Q2. And last, I would like to welcome Brian Ingram, who joined our Board of Directors on January 12.
Speaker #2: Brian's industry experience and strategic acumen managing large, multibillion-dollar businesses will be an asset to our management team and the Board. I would now like to ask the operator to take any questions.
Stephen Daly: Brian's industry experience and strategic acumen, managing large multibillion-dollar businesses, will be an asset to our management team and the board. I would now like to ask the operator to take any questions.
Steve Daly: Brian's industry experience and strategic acumen, managing large multibillion-dollar businesses, will be an asset to our management team and the board. I would now like to ask the operator to take any questions.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Laisa, and gentlemen, to ask a question at this time, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.
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Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question at this time, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, simply press star one one again. As a reminder, in the consideration of time, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Please stand by for our first question. Now, first question coming from the line of Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company. Your line is now open.
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Quinn Bolton: Hey, guys. Congratulations on the nice results. Steve, I wanted to ask, obviously, a nice uptick in your annual outlook for the data center business, from 20% to 35 to 40 percent this year. Wondering if you could just spend a minute talking what gives you the confidence to raise that outlook? Is it just sort of the rising tide? Do you now have better visibility as orders have filled in? Is it driven by share gains? What's, what's driving the improved outlook in data center?
Quinn Bolton: Hey, guys. Congratulations on the nice results. Steve, I wanted to ask, obviously, a nice uptick in your annual outlook for the data center business, from 20% to 35 to 40 percent this year. Wondering if you could just spend a minute talking what gives you the confidence to raise that outlook? Is it just sort of the rising tide? Do you now have better visibility as orders have filled in? Is it driven by share gains? What's, what's driving the improved outlook in data center?
Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Congratulations on the nice results. Steve, I wanted to ask obviously a nice uptick in your annual outlook for the data center business from 20% to 35 to 40% this year.
Speaker #4: Wondering if you could just spend a minute talking about what gives you the confidence to raise that outlook. Is it just sort of the rising tide?
Speaker #4: Do you now have better visibility as orders have filled in? Is it driven by share gains? What's driving the improved outlook in data?
Speaker #4: center? Thanks,
Stephen Daly: Thanks, Quinn, for the question, and to some degree, it's a little bit of all of the above, per your question. But the key underlying driver is 1.6 T. That's where we see the most activity, the most design wins transitioning into production runs. So I would just highlight 1.6 T as really the long term or near—I would say, the long-term trend that will be very favorable to MACOM. And you're correct that as we look at our data center business today, we have a very healthy backlog. We think our second half will be stronger than our first half in terms of the overall, you know, absolute dollars of revenue shipped. So we are in a very good position.
Steve Daly: Thanks, Quinn, for the question, and to some degree, it's a little bit of all of the above, per your question. But the key underlying driver is 1.6 T. That's where we see the most activity, the most design wins transitioning into production runs. So I would just highlight 1.6 T as really the long term or near—I would say, the long-term trend that will be very favorable to MACOM. And you're correct that as we look at our data center business today, we have a very healthy backlog. We think our second half will be stronger than our first half in terms of the overall, you know, absolute dollars of revenue shipped. So we are in a very good position.
Speaker #2: Quinn, for the question. And to some degree, it's a little bit of all of the above. Per your question, but the key underlying driver is $1.6T.
Speaker #2: That's where we see the most activity, the most design wins, transitioning into production runs. So I would just highlight $1.6T as really the long-term or near, I would say the long-term trend that will be very favorable to MACOM.
Speaker #2: as we look at our data center And you're correct that business today, we have a very healthy backlog. We think our second half will be stronger than our first half.
Speaker #2: In terms of the overall absolute dollars of revenue shift. So we are in a very good position. We have programs that are ramping that give us confidence to, as a base case, hit 35 to 40%.
Stephen Daly: We have programs that are ramping that gives us confidence to, as a base case, hit 35 to 40%. There's also upside to that number, which is a bit unquantifiable right now, and we'll update everybody certainly on our next call as to, you know, more specific guidance for Q3 and Q4.
Steve Daly: We have programs that are ramping that gives us confidence to, as a base case, hit 35 to 40%. There's also upside to that number, which is a bit unquantifiable right now, and we'll update everybody certainly on our next call as to, you know, more specific guidance for Q3 and Q4.
Speaker #2: There's also upside to that number, which is a bit unquantifiable right now. And we'll update everybody certainly on our next call as guidance for Q3 and Q4.
Speaker #4: Excellent. And Steve, you'd mentioned—I mean, there's been a lot of talk about CPO in the past couple of weeks and months, I guess.
Quinn Bolton: Excellent. And, Steve, you'd mentioned, I mean, there's been a lot of talk about CPO in the past couple of weeks and months, I guess. You mentioned NPO, maybe even CPO in your prepared script, but maybe just spend a minute talking about how MACOM could benefit to the extent we start to see a shift more towards either near packaged or co-packaged optics?
Quinn Bolton: Excellent. And, Steve, you'd mentioned, I mean, there's been a lot of talk about CPO in the past couple of weeks and months, I guess. You mentioned NPO, maybe even CPO in your prepared script, but maybe just spend a minute talking about how MACOM could benefit to the extent we start to see a shift more towards either near packaged or co-packaged optics?
Speaker #4: You mentioned NPO maybe even CPO in your prepared script, but maybe just spend a minute talking about how MACOM could benefit to the extent we start to see a shift more towards either NER packaged or co-packaged
Speaker #4: optics. Yes.
Stephen Daly: Yes, and the product set that we would sell into a CPO or NPO platform is very similar to what we sell into pluggable modules. So it's the same drivers, TIAs, photodetectors, and possibly lasers. I will highlight that a lot of these platforms are moving quickly to silicon photonic-based solutions, which is putting a heavy demand on the optic, certainly the CW laser and the photodetector optical, you know, optical chips. And so we have a very competitive photodetector today. It's ramping in production, primarily for pluggables. And we're making very quick progress on our CW lasers. We now have two customers that have confirmed that our CW lasers are meeting their requirements electrically.
Steve Daly: Yes, and the product set that we would sell into a CPO or NPO platform is very similar to what we sell into pluggable modules. So it's the same drivers, TIAs, photodetectors, and possibly lasers. I will highlight that a lot of these platforms are moving quickly to silicon photonic-based solutions, which is putting a heavy demand on the optic, certainly the CW laser and the photodetector optical, you know, optical chips. And so we have a very competitive photodetector today. It's ramping in production, primarily for pluggables. And we're making very quick progress on our CW lasers. We now have two customers that have confirmed that our CW lasers are meeting their requirements electrically.
Speaker #2: the product set that we And would sell into a CPO or NPO platform is very similar to what we sell into pluggable modules. So it's the same drivers, TIAs, photo detectors, and possibly lasers.
Speaker #2: I will highlight that a lot of these quickly to silicon photonic-based platforms are moving solutions, which is putting a heavy demand on the optic certainly the CW laser and the photo detector optical chips.
Speaker #2: And so we have a very competitive photo detector today. It's ramping in production. Primarily for pluggables. And we're making very quick progress on our CW lasers.
Speaker #2: customers that have confirmed We now have two that our CW lasers are meeting their requirements electrically. And so now we are going through a qualification phase, which will last some number of months and also looking at the production readiness of our fab.
Stephen Daly: And so now we are going through a qualification phase, which will last some number of months, and also looking at, you know, the production readiness of our fab. These are 75-milliwatt lasers. These are not what I would consider the higher power, 400-milliwatt class lasers. Those are not the type of lasers that we make today. But we do think that the CPO and the NPO sort of transition is a benefit to MACOM. I'll also add that from an overall architecture, you see many, many channels in a smaller form factor. So a lot of the traditional chips that we sold into pluggables are becoming more complex for NPO and CPO.
Steve Daly: And so now we are going through a qualification phase, which will last some number of months, and also looking at, you know, the production readiness of our fab. These are 75-milliwatt lasers. These are not what I would consider the higher power, 400-milliwatt class lasers. Those are not the type of lasers that we make today. But we do think that the CPO and the NPO sort of transition is a benefit to MACOM. I'll also add that from an overall architecture, you see many, many channels in a smaller form factor. So a lot of the traditional chips that we sold into pluggables are becoming more complex for NPO and CPO.
Speaker #2: are 75 milliwatt lasers. These are not what I would consider the higher power These 400 milliwatt class lasers. Those are not the type of lasers that we make today.
Speaker #2: that the CPO and the NPO sort of transition is a benefit But we do think to MACOM. I'll also add that from an overall architecture, you see many, many channels in a smaller form factor.
Speaker #2: So a lot of the traditional chips that we sold into pluggables are becoming more complex for NPO and CPO. There's far more channels per chip.
Stephen Daly: There's far more channels per chip, and this is a change that we have a lot of strength in terms of a design capability. And then the last thing I'll add is, some of these systems are actually moving towards coherent modulation and coherent light specifically. And so in this case, we have a very strong design capability, given the history with our metro long haul chips that we've been shipping for years.
Steve Daly: There's far more channels per chip, and this is a change that we have a lot of strength in terms of a design capability. And then the last thing I'll add is, some of these systems are actually moving towards coherent modulation and coherent light specifically. And so in this case, we have a very strong design capability, given the history with our metro long haul chips that we've been shipping for years.
Speaker #2: And this is a change that we have a lot of strength in in terms of a design capability. And then the last thing I'll add is some of these systems are actually moving towards coherent modulation and coherent light specifically.
Speaker #2: And so in this case, we have a very strong design capability given the history with our Metro Longhaul chips that we've been shipping for years.
Operator: Thank you. Now, next question, coming from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America Securities. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Now, next question, coming from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America Securities. Your line is now open.
Speaker #3: Thank you. Now, next question. Coming from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America Securities. Yoland is now open.
Vivek Arya: Thanks for taking my question. Steve, you were nice enough to give us the prospects for data center growth this year. I was hoping you could give us kind of some similar growth potential in your other two segments also. And I'm particularly interested in the telecom side, because of this RF power exit that NXP announced. I think they had close to a $300 million or so business last year, which is, you know, larger than your entire telecom segment. So I'm curious, when do you think you can start to gain some share? When does it start to, you know, really become accretive to your base telecom business? Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thanks for taking my question. Steve, you were nice enough to give us the prospect for data center growth this year. I was hoping you could give us kind of some similar growth potential in your other two segments also.
Vivek Arya: Thanks for taking my question. Steve, you were nice enough to give us the prospects for data center growth this year. I was hoping you could give us kind of some similar growth potential in your other two segments also. And I'm particularly interested in the telecom side, because of this RF power exit that NXP announced. I think they had close to a $300 million or so business last year, which is, you know, larger than your entire telecom segment. So I'm curious, when do you think you can start to gain some share? When does it start to, you know, really become accretive to your base telecom business? Thank you.
Speaker #5: And I'm particularly interested in the telecom side because of this RF power exit that NXP announced I think they had close to a $300 million or so business last year, which is larger than your entire telecom segment.
Speaker #5: So I'm curious, when do you think you can start to gain some share? When does it start to really become accretive to your base telecom business?
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yes. So it was certainly a fortunate stroke of serendipity that one of our competitors is exiting the business. I can't really comment on how much market share this will translate to.
Stephen Daly: Yes. So it was certainly a fortunate stroke of serendipity that one of our competitors is exiting the business. I can't really comment on how much market share this will translate to. I think it will take, you know, one or two years for that to play out. And so our goal is to strengthen our design team, accelerate product development, go to the market with more intensity to try to maximize the opportunity. But I think it's sort of premature today to put a dollar value on that. I think, you know, the 5G market space, you know, is a relatively slow moving market, where it might take, you know, one year to get a design win, and then after that, you have a ramp.
Steve Daly: Yes. So it was certainly a fortunate stroke of serendipity that one of our competitors is exiting the business. I can't really comment on how much market share this will translate to. I think it will take, you know, one or two years for that to play out. And so our goal is to strengthen our design team, accelerate product development, go to the market with more intensity to try to maximize the opportunity. But I think it's sort of premature today to put a dollar value on that. I think, you know, the 5G market space, you know, is a relatively slow moving market, where it might take, you know, one year to get a design win, and then after that, you have a ramp.
Speaker #2: one or two years for that to play out. And so our goal is I think it will take to strengthen our design team, accelerate product development, go to the market with more intensity, to try to maximize the opportunity.
Speaker #2: But I think it's sort of premature today to put a dollar value on that. I think the 5G market space is a relatively slow-moving market where it might take one year to get a design win and then after that you have a ramp.
Stephen Daly: And so we want to basically engage the same customer base that we have today with more intensity. And we also want to let them know that we're gonna be there, not only for the current 5G generation, but also, you know, the next generation platforms. And as they move to different architectures, some of which will include more fiber right up to the remote radio unit, we wanna be there and offer the full suite of products. And so we do find this to be sort of a very exciting time to be addressing the market. Now, with that said, the market is flat, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. So the overall number of radios being manufactured per year is relatively flat, but we believe we can grow through share gains.
Speaker #2: And so we want to basically engage the same customer base that we have today with more intensity. And we also want to let them know that we're going to be there not only for the current 5G generation, but also the next generation platforms.
Steve Daly: And so we want to basically engage the same customer base that we have today with more intensity. And we also want to let them know that we're gonna be there, not only for the current 5G generation, but also, you know, the next generation platforms. And as they move to different architectures, some of which will include more fiber right up to the remote radio unit, we wanna be there and offer the full suite of products. And so we do find this to be sort of a very exciting time to be addressing the market. Now, with that said, the market is flat, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. So the overall number of radios being manufactured per year is relatively flat, but we believe we can grow through share gains.
Speaker #2: And as they move to different architectures, some of which will include remote radio unit, we more fiber right up to the products and so we do find this to be sort of a very exciting time to be addressing the market.
Speaker #2: Now, with that said, the market is flat, as I mentioned in our My Prepared Remarks. So the overall number of radios being manufactured per year is relatively flat.
Speaker #2: But we believe we can grow through share gains. And so that is certainly front of mind for us. The other important area that we focus on in the telecom space is SATCOM and as I mentioned, we have a very large backlog.
Stephen Daly: And so that is certainly front of mind for us. The other important area that we focus on in the telecom space is Satcom. And as I mentioned, we have a very large backlog. We have a LEO program moving into production in the second half of calendar 2026. And we have many, I would say, significant opportunities that we're working on, which will really provide growth in our 2027 and beyond timeframe. And what we basically see is an incredible amount of investment going into LEO constellations for direct-to-device applications. And we think that there's certain structural reasons why the market wants, you know, space-based direct-to-cell connectivity, and we wanna make sure that we offer the full suite of products to these different satellite systems. And every customer is doing something a little different.
Steve Daly: And so that is certainly front of mind for us. The other important area that we focus on in the telecom space is Satcom. And as I mentioned, we have a very large backlog. We have a LEO program moving into production in the second half of calendar 2026. And we have many, I would say, significant opportunities that we're working on, which will really provide growth in our 2027 and beyond timeframe. And what we basically see is an incredible amount of investment going into LEO constellations for direct-to-device applications. And we think that there's certain structural reasons why the market wants, you know, space-based direct-to-cell connectivity, and we wanna make sure that we offer the full suite of products to these different satellite systems. And every customer is doing something a little different.
Speaker #2: We have a Leo program moving into production in the second half of calendar '26. And we have many I would say significant opportunities that we're working on, which will really provide growth in timeframe.
Speaker #2: our 2027 and beyond And what we basically see as an incredible amount of investment going into Leo constellations for direct-to-device applications and we think that there's certain certain structural reasons why the market wants space-based direct-to-cell connectivity.
Speaker #2: And we want to make sure that we offer the full suite of products to these different satellite systems. And every customer is doing something a little different.
Speaker #2: Our content varies dramatically from customer to customer. But we rich treasure trove of technology we have just a really can offer our customers
Stephen Daly: Our content varies dramatically from customer to customer, but we have just a really rich treasure trove of technology we can offer our customers here.
Steve Daly: Our content varies dramatically from customer to customer, but we have just a really rich treasure trove of technology we can offer our customers here.
Speaker #2: here. And anything on the
Vivek Arya: Anything on the overall segment growth for this year? And if I could just kind of squeeze in my second-
Vivek Arya: Anything on the overall segment growth for this year? And if I could just kind of squeeze in my second-
Speaker #6: overall segment growth my second question for this year? And if I could just kind of squeeze in there, on the growth margins, if you're making shifts to data center and more optical components, several of your peers tend to have somewhat lower margins but I don't know what is the right way to do apples to apples margin comparison between several of your optical peers because they sell complete transceivers and modules.
Tom O'Malley: ... Second question there, on the gross margins. If your mix shifts to data center and more optical components, you know, several of your peers, you know, tend to have somewhat lower margins. But I don't know what is the right way to do apples-to-apples margin comparison between several of your optical peers, because they sell, you know, complete transceivers and modules as well, which you don't. So I'm just curious if the mix shifts to data center, what that does to gross margins, and if, Steve, if you could help us with just kind of the overall growth prospects for I&D this year. Thank you.
Vivek Arya: ... Second question there, on the gross margins. If your mix shifts to data center and more optical components, you know, several of your peers, you know, tend to have somewhat lower margins. But I don't know what is the right way to do apples-to-apples margin comparison between several of your optical peers, because they sell, you know, complete transceivers and modules as well, which you don't. So I'm just curious if the mix shifts to data center, what that does to gross margins, and if, Steve, if you could help us with just kind of the overall growth prospects for I&D this year. Thank you.
Speaker #6: As well, which you don't. So I'm just curious if the makeshift to data center, what that does to gross margins and if Steve, if you could help us with just kind of the overall growth prospects you.
Speaker #2: Sure. And why don't I start with the first part of that question and then Jack can address the second part. So we don't give full-year guidance and I think you're sort of asking what is the rest of our fiscal '26 look like.
Stephen Daly: Sure. And why don't I start with the first part of that question, and then Jack can address the second part. So, you know, we don't give full year guidance, and I think you're sort of asking, what does the rest of our fiscal 2026 look like? And as you know, last year, we grew by 32%, and in fact, that was driven a lot in part by our telecom business that grew over 40% last year. This year, we don't expect the same level of growth. It's more likely going to be high single digit, maybe low double digit, but we'll have to wait and see on the timing of some of the programs that I've talked about. But it is growing.
Steve Daly: Sure. And why don't I start with the first part of that question, and then Jack can address the second part. So, you know, we don't give full year guidance, and I think you're sort of asking, what does the rest of our fiscal 2026 look like? And as you know, last year, we grew by 32%, and in fact, that was driven a lot in part by our telecom business that grew over 40% last year. This year, we don't expect the same level of growth. It's more likely going to be high single digit, maybe low double digit, but we'll have to wait and see on the timing of some of the programs that I've talked about. But it is growing.
Speaker #2: And as you know, last year we grew by 32%. And in fact, that was driven a lot in part by our telecom business that grew over 40% last year.
Speaker #2: don't expect the same level of growth. It's more likely going to be high single-digit maybe low double-digit. But we'll have to wait and see on This year we about.
Speaker #2: But it is growing. As I talked about, the market opportunities for us don't only in 5G but also the SATCOM and of course cable improving is providing us with those growth opportunities.
Stephen Daly: As I talked about, the market opportunities for us, not only in 5G, but also the SATCOM and, of course, cable improving is providing us with those growth opportunities. And then the last segment, just for completeness, I'll talk about, is our I&D. I&D last year also did very well, close to 20% year-over-year growth. And as we look out into the second half of the year and our look at the tea leaves, again, we probably are unlikely to hit 20% growth. It's probably somewhere between 15% and 20% if we, you know, sort of look at our backlog and all the different moving parts. So collectively, you know, MACOM should grow, and we have internal targets that put us, you know, somewhere in the 20% range, ±.
Steve Daly: As I talked about, the market opportunities for us, not only in 5G, but also the SATCOM and, of course, cable improving is providing us with those growth opportunities. And then the last segment, just for completeness, I'll talk about, is our I&D. I&D last year also did very well, close to 20% year-over-year growth. And as we look out into the second half of the year and our look at the tea leaves, again, we probably are unlikely to hit 20% growth. It's probably somewhere between 15% and 20% if we, you know, sort of look at our backlog and all the different moving parts. So collectively, you know, MACOM should grow, and we have internal targets that put us, you know, somewhere in the 20% range, ±.
Speaker #2: And then the last segment just for completeness, I'll talk about is our IND. IND last year also did very well close to 20% year-over-year growth.
Speaker #2: And as we look out into the second half of the year and look at the tea leaves, again, we probably are unlikely to hit 20% growth.
Speaker #2: It's probably somewhere between 15 and 20% if we sort of look at our backlog and all the different moving parts. So collectively, MACOM should grow and we have internal targets.
Speaker #2: That put us somewhere in the 20% range plus or minus. But of course, all of this is dependent on booking orders, ramping successfully, executing on various programs.
Stephen Daly: But of course, all of this is dependent on booking orders, ramping successfully, executing on various programs. But there are fundamental growth opportunities that are intact. The movement to higher data rates inside the data center, the movement to more optics in the data center. This is a tailwind for us. In our R&D, more and more GaN on silicon carbide, and we're providing more modules and subsystems to our customers. And then in the telecom space, as I talked about, we see opportunities with LEO and 5G. So these are really the primary pieces that we get excited about. And then on the profitability side, and as Jack mentioned, we do expect incremental improvements during the course of the year, and I'll let him comment further.
Steve Daly: But of course, all of this is dependent on booking orders, ramping successfully, executing on various programs. But there are fundamental growth opportunities that are intact. The movement to higher data rates inside the data center, the movement to more optics in the data center. This is a tailwind for us. In our R&D, more and more GaN on silicon carbide, and we're providing more modules and subsystems to our customers. And then in the telecom space, as I talked about, we see opportunities with LEO and 5G. So these are really the primary pieces that we get excited about. And then on the profitability side, and as Jack mentioned, we do expect incremental improvements during the course of the year, and I'll let him comment further.
Speaker #2: But there are fundamental growth opportunities that are intact: the movement to higher data rates inside the data center, and the movement to more optics in the data center.
Speaker #2: This is a tailwind for us. And our IND, more and more gain on Silicon Carbide. And we're providing more modules and subsystems to our customers.
Speaker #2: And then in the telecom space, as I talked about, we see opportunities with Leo in 5G. So these are really the primary pieces that we get excited about.
Speaker #2: And then on the profitability side, and as Jack mentioned, we do expect incremental improvements during the course of the year. And I'll let him comment further.
John Kober: Back to the root of your question, Vivek, with regard to our profitability profile versus some of our other peers. You know, we're gonna be different in terms of how those peers may look, whether it's within the data center end market or within I&D and telecom. So the mix of fabs that we have versus things that are maybe fabbed externally may create a different answer.
Speaker #3: And back to the root of your question, Vivek, with regard to our profitability profile versus some of our other peers, we're going to be different in terms of how those peers may look, whether it's within the data center end market or within IND and telecom.
Jack Kober: Back to the root of your question, Vivek, with regard to our profitability profile versus some of our other peers. You know, we're gonna be different in terms of how those peers may look, whether it's within the data center end market or within I&D and telecom. So the mix of fabs that we have versus things that are maybe fabbed externally may create a different answer.
Speaker #3: So the mix of fabs that we have externally may create a different answer. As Steve had mentioned, that versus things that are maybe fabbed, points of sequential quarterly increases—25 to 50 basis points on the gross margin side—which we think are working in our favor, including some volume increases as well as some new product introductions across the business, that is supporting that expected gross margin improvement as we work our way through the remainder of the year.
John Kober: As Steve had mentioned, that 25 to 50 basis points of sequential quarterly increases on the gross margin side is comprised of a number of different items that we've got, which we think are working in our favor, including some volume increases, as well as some new product introductions across the business, that is supporting that expected gross margin improvement as we work our way through the remainder of the year.
Jack Kober: As Steve had mentioned, that 25 to 50 basis points of sequential quarterly increases on the gross margin side is comprised of a number of different items that we've got, which we think are working in our favor, including some volume increases, as well as some new product introductions across the business, that is supporting that expected gross margin improvement as we work our way through the remainder of the year.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question coming from the lineup, Tom O'Malley with Barclays, CLN is now
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Tom O'Malley with Barclays. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: open.
Speaker #7: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.
Tom O'Malley: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dive a little bit more on the gross margin line. You pulled in the RTP fab in-house. You talked previously about bringing more products into that fab that MACOM used to run externally. Can you maybe give us an update on how that's going so far? And then you've guided that 25 to 50 basis points of incremental improvement. Over time, do you think that RTP could contribute a little bit more to the upside on that gross margin profile? Any update there would be helpful.
Tom O'Malley: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to dive a little bit more on the gross margin line. You pulled in the RTP fab in-house. You talked previously about bringing more products into that fab that MACOM used to run externally. Can you maybe give us an update on how that's going so far? And then you've guided that 25 to 50 basis points of incremental improvement. Over time, do you think that RTP could contribute a little bit more to the upside on that gross margin profile? Any update there would be helpful.
Speaker #7: I just wanted to dive a little bit more on the gross margin line. You pulled in the RTP fab in-house you talked previously about bringing more products into that fab that MACOM used to run externally.
Speaker #7: Can you maybe give us an update on how that's going so far? And then you've guided that 25 to 50 basis points of incremental improvement over time.
Speaker #7: Do you think that RTP could contribute a little bit more to the upside on that gross margin profile? Any update there would be—
Speaker #7: helpful. Thanks for the question,
Stephen Daly: Thanks for the question, Tom. Just to highlight, since we closed that acquisition of the RTP fab, our team in North Carolina has been incrementally improving the profitability ever since we purchased the fab. So almost every quarter, we've seen positive movement in terms of cost of manufacturing, improving yields, lowering the scrap, improving overall efficiencies throughout the building, and removing costs. And so the team has done a phenomenal job there. The improvements that we're seeing this year and going into next year for gross margins will, I think, primarily revolve around improving the utilization of our Massachusetts-based fab and to some degree, our French-based fab.
Steve Daly: Thanks for the question, Tom. Just to highlight, since we closed that acquisition of the RTP fab, our team in North Carolina has been incrementally improving the profitability ever since we purchased the fab. So almost every quarter, we've seen positive movement in terms of cost of manufacturing, improving yields, lowering the scrap, improving overall efficiencies throughout the building, and removing costs. And so the team has done a phenomenal job there. The improvements that we're seeing this year and going into next year for gross margins will, I think, primarily revolve around improving the utilization of our Massachusetts-based fab and to some degree, our French-based fab.
Speaker #2: Tom. Just to highlight, since we closed that acquisition of the RTP fab, our team in North Carolina has been incrementally improving the profitability ever since we purchased the fab.
Speaker #2: So almost every quarter, we've seen positive movement in terms of cost of manufacturing—improving yields, lowering the scrap, improving overall efficiencies throughout the building, and removing costs. And so the team has done a phenomenal job there.
Speaker #2: The improvements that we're seeing this year and going into next year for gross margins will, I think, primarily revolve around improving the utilization of our Massachusetts-based fab and to some degree our French-based fab.
Speaker #2: We do see increased demand and that is improving the overall gross margin and operating margin models. And that's being driven by the market. I will say that there's significant more work to do at our North Carolina fab.
Stephen Daly: We do see increased demand, and that is improving the overall gross margin and operating margin models, and that's being driven by the market. I will say that there's significant more work to do at our North Carolina fab. One of the primary goals there is to increase output. We have a very aggressive plan to increase output by 30%. We have bought some amount of equipment to support that, but a big part of that added capacity will be reducing the cycle times. That is that site's number one corporate priority, is to speed up not only development wafers, but also production wafers, and that just has so many benefits to the business. So that is a key focus for that particular fab.
Steve Daly: We do see increased demand, and that is improving the overall gross margin and operating margin models, and that's being driven by the market. I will say that there's significant more work to do at our North Carolina fab. One of the primary goals there is to increase output. We have a very aggressive plan to increase output by 30%. We have bought some amount of equipment to support that, but a big part of that added capacity will be reducing the cycle times. That is that site's number one corporate priority, is to speed up not only development wafers, but also production wafers, and that just has so many benefits to the business. So that is a key focus for that particular fab.
Speaker #2: One of the primary goals there is output. output by to increase We have a very aggressive plan to increase 30%. We have bought some amount of equipment to support that.
Speaker #2: But a big part of that added capacity will be reducing the cycle times. That is that site's number one corporate priority is to speed up not only development wafers but also production wafers.
Speaker #2: And that just has so many benefits to the business. So that is a key focus for it relates to insourcing some of the that particular fab.
Speaker #2: As components that we currently outsource, those benefits have not hit the P&L. Those items will really come on most likely into 27 and 2027 and beyond because you're talking about taking IPDs or capacitors from a third-party vendor and replacing it in new products with MACOM content.
Stephen Daly: As it relates to insourcing some of the components that we currently outsource, those benefits have not hit the P&L. They won't. Those items will really come on, most likely, into 2027 and beyond, because you're talking about taking IPDs or capacitors from any, you know, from a third-party vendor, and replacing it in new products with MACOM content. And so that has to go through a design cycle, and those benefits will come on incrementally over time. There, it's not. You're not seeing that shine through today. The last thing I'll highlight is our French fab is doing a phenomenal job with the transition of their technology from a 3-inch wafer to a 6-inch wafer.
Steve Daly: As it relates to insourcing some of the components that we currently outsource, those benefits have not hit the P&L. They won't. Those items will really come on, most likely, into 2027 and beyond, because you're talking about taking IPDs or capacitors from any, you know, from a third-party vendor, and replacing it in new products with MACOM content. And so that has to go through a design cycle, and those benefits will come on incrementally over time. There, it's not. You're not seeing that shine through today. The last thing I'll highlight is our French fab is doing a phenomenal job with the transition of their technology from a 3-inch wafer to a 6-inch wafer.
Speaker #2: And so that has to go through a design cycle. And those benefits will come on incrementally over time. It's not you're not seeing that shine through today.
Speaker #2: The last thing I'll highlight is our French fab is doing a phenomenal job with the transition of their technology from a three-inch wafer to a six-inch wafer.
Stephen Daly: We are just about ready to wrap up that work and release to production all of the different processes. We sort of have a goal of by June of 2026, everything will be fully qualified and released to production. And so as we go into 2027, that will also provide a benefit, not only from a quality point of view and efficiency point of view, but just, we're also seeing improved performance of some of our chips in the processes as we migrate to newer equipment. In our Lowell fab, I'll just add one other item. It's a high-mix fab, so we're running GaAs, GaN, silicon, Indium Phosphide, and the team here does a phenomenal job balancing all of the different technologies.
Steve Daly: We are just about ready to wrap up that work and release to production all of the different processes. We sort of have a goal of by June of 2026, everything will be fully qualified and released to production. And so as we go into 2027, that will also provide a benefit, not only from a quality point of view and efficiency point of view, but just, we're also seeing improved performance of some of our chips in the processes as we migrate to newer equipment. In our Lowell fab, I'll just add one other item. It's a high-mix fab, so we're running GaAs, GaN, silicon, Indium Phosphide, and the team here does a phenomenal job balancing all of the different technologies.
Speaker #2: about ready to wrap up that work and release to production all of the different processes. We sort of And we are just have a goal of by June of 2026.
Speaker #2: Everything will be fully qualified and released to production. And so as we go into 27, that will also provide a benefit not only from a quality point of view and efficiency point of view, but just we're also seeing improved performance of some of our chips in the processes as we migrate to newer equipment.
Speaker #2: And our low fab, I'll just add one other item, it's a high mix fab. So we're running gas, gas, silicon, indium phosphide, and we continue to the team here does a phenomenal job balancing all of the different technologies.
Speaker #2: So you're starting to see that come through now, Tom, is the conclusion. And Jack, I know that was a
Stephen Daly: So you're starting to see that come through now, Tom, is the conclusion. And Jack, I know that was a long-winded answer. Do you wanna add to that?
Steve Daly: So you're starting to see that come through now, Tom, is the conclusion. And Jack, I know that was a long-winded answer. Do you wanna add to that?
Speaker #2: long-winded answer. Do you want to add to that? I think the short
John Kober: I think the short answer, Tom, is it's, it's not any one specific item that we have that's helping to drive the improvement that we see in front of us. It's a combination of a lot of things happening across the entire organization, where we're looking to take out costs where it makes sense, try and be more efficient, work with our suppliers. So, there's a lot of contributing factors to this as we go forward from a gross margin standpoint.
Jack Kober: I think the short answer, Tom, is it's, it's not any one specific item that we have that's helping to drive the improvement that we see in front of us. It's a combination of a lot of things happening across the entire organization, where we're looking to take out costs where it makes sense, try and be more efficient, work with our suppliers. So, there's a lot of contributing factors to this as we go forward from a gross margin standpoint.
Speaker #3: answer, Tom, is it's not any one specific item that we have that's helping to drive the improvement that we see in front of us.
Speaker #3: It's a combination of a lot of things happening across the entire organization where we're looking to take out costs where it makes sense, try and be more efficient, work with our suppliers.
Speaker #3: So there's a lot of contributing factors to this as we go forward from a gross margin
Speaker #7: Super helpful. Just as a
Tom O'Malley: Super helpful. Just as a follow-up, I'm gonna cheat here and kind of ask on two at once, but two growth drivers where people are really focused this year, SATCOM and then also ACCs. It's difficult to get the relative sizing of these, given they live within larger buckets. Historically, you haven't really broken that out, but any help on the relative sizing of those two drivers? And then as you look into the out year, I think you've talked about strong telco growth and pointed to SATCOM specifically. You spent most of your time on the data center talking about 1.6 modules and optical side. Maybe a little bit on the ACC market and how that can contribute to data center growth as well.
Tom O'Malley: Super helpful. Just as a follow-up, I'm gonna cheat here and kind of ask on two at once, but two growth drivers where people are really focused this year, SATCOM and then also ACCs. It's difficult to get the relative sizing of these, given they live within larger buckets. Historically, you haven't really broken that out, but any help on the relative sizing of those two drivers? And then as you look into the out year, I think you've talked about strong telco growth and pointed to SATCOM specifically. You spent most of your time on the data center talking about 1.6 modules and optical side. Maybe a little bit on the ACC market and how that can contribute to data center growth as well.
Speaker #7: Follow-up, I'm going to cheat here and kind of ask on two at once, but from a growth standpoint, drivers where people are really focused this year are SATCOM and then also ACCs.
Speaker #7: It's difficult to get the relative sizing of these given they live within larger out. But any help on the relative buckets. sizing of those two drivers?
Speaker #7: And Historically, you haven't really broken that then as you look into the out year, I think you've talked about strong telco growth and pointed to SATCOM specifically.
Speaker #7: You spent most of your time on the data center talking about 1.6T modules and optical side. Maybe a little bit on the ACC market and how that can contribute to data center growth as well.
Speaker #2: Sure. And certainly, I tried to address the ACC question in my prepared remarks. I'll just add to that, as we look at our revenue for Q1, there was no ACC revenue in there.
Stephen Daly: Sure. And certainly, I tried to address the ACC question in my prepared remarks. I'll just add to that, you know, as we look at our revenue for Q1, there was no ACC revenue in there. In terms of the SATCOM market, it is a growth market, not only on the commercial side, I'll add, but also on the military side and the DoD side. And so, we do expect our SATCOM business to grow very nicely as we move into 2027. We have multiple SATCOM LEO programs in the design phase today.
Steve Daly: Sure. And certainly, I tried to address the ACC question in my prepared remarks. I'll just add to that, you know, as we look at our revenue for Q1, there was no ACC revenue in there. In terms of the SATCOM market, it is a growth market, not only on the commercial side, I'll add, but also on the military side and the DoD side. And so, we do expect our SATCOM business to grow very nicely as we move into 2027. We have multiple SATCOM LEO programs in the design phase today.
Speaker #2: In terms of the SATCOM market, it is a growth market, not only on the commercial side, I'll add, but also on the military side and the DOD side.
Speaker #2: And so we do expect our SATCOM business to grow very nicely as we move into 2027. We have multiple SATCOM LEO programs in the design phase today.
Speaker #2: And by the way, I'll also highlight that the telecom revenue last year growing the drivers, not the only, but one of the drivers was some of our LEO business.
Stephen Daly: By the way, I'll also highlight that the telecom revenue last year growing by 40%, one of, one of the drivers, not the only, but one of the drivers was some of our LEO business. We don't – and then last, Tom, we don't typically size product lines or market segments. We have our own – I mean, we do it internally, but we don't typically share that externally. I know there's certainly a lot of very good information in the industry about sort of peeling the onion back on those, on market sizes, and we would deflect the answer to maybe having you look at those, you know, that other information. But we don't typically give out SAMs by product line or market segment.
Steve Daly: By the way, I'll also highlight that the telecom revenue last year growing by 40%, one of, one of the drivers, not the only, but one of the drivers was some of our LEO business. We don't – and then last, Tom, we don't typically size product lines or market segments. We have our own – I mean, we do it internally, but we don't typically share that externally. I know there's certainly a lot of very good information in the industry about sort of peeling the onion back on those, on market sizes, and we would deflect the answer to maybe having you look at those, you know, that other information. But we don't typically give out SAMs by product line or market segment.
Speaker #2: We don't and then last time, we don't by 40%. One of segments; we have our own I mean, we do it internally, but we don't typically share that externally.
Speaker #2: I know there's certainly a lot of very good information in the typically size industry about sort of peeling the onion back on those market sizes, and we would deflect the answer to maybe having you look at those that other information.
Speaker #2: But we don't typically give out SAMs by product line or market.
Speaker #2: segment. Thank
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Karl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: you. Now, next question. the lineup, Carl Ackerman Coming from with BNP Paribas, he wanted to to know.
Karl Ackerman: Yes, good morning, gentlemen. Two for me as well, please. Steve, going back to SATCOM, if I could, for a moment. You know, you indicated that that satellite system changes can support more functionality than before. Is it fair to assume the size of the satellite program is the same or larger than your previous view? And as you address that, could you also speak to the breadth of satellite programs as you are engaged on?
Karl Ackerman: Yes, good morning, gentlemen. Two for me as well, please. Steve, going back to SATCOM, if I could, for a moment. You know, you indicated that that satellite system changes can support more functionality than before. Is it fair to assume the size of the satellite program is the same or larger than your previous view? And as you address that, could you also speak to the breadth of satellite programs as you are engaged on?
Speaker #4: gentlemen. Two, for me as well, please. Steve, going back to SATCOM, if I could Yes. for a moment, you indicated Good morning, that satellite system changes can support more functionality than before.
Speaker #4: Is it fair to assume the size of the satellite program is the same or larger than your previous view? And as you address that, could you also speak to the breadth of satellite programs that you are engaged on?
Speaker #4: Is it fair to assume the size of the satellite program is the same or larger than your previous view? And as you address that, could you also speak to the breadth of satellite programs that you are engaged
Speaker #2: So we think that, if you're referring to the large contract that I mentioned, we believe our customers are adding functionality that will bring that constellation, which is a positive for the long-term prospects of that platform.
Stephen Daly: So we think that, if you're referring to the large contract that I mentioned, we believe our customer is adding functionality that will bring new customers to that constellation, which is a positive for the long-term prospects of that platform. And so that, I hope I answered that particular question.
Steve Daly: So we think that, if you're referring to the large contract that I mentioned, we believe our customer is adding functionality that will bring new customers to that constellation, which is a positive for the long-term prospects of that platform. And so that, I hope I answered that particular question.
Speaker #2: And so I hope I answered that particular question. And what was the second
Karl Ackerman: Yes.
Karl Ackerman: Yes.
Stephen Daly: What was the second part, second question?
Steve Daly: What was the second part, second question?
Speaker #2: question? Just the breadth
Karl Ackerman: Just the breadth of satellite programs that you have engaged on.
Karl Ackerman: Just the breadth of satellite programs that you have engaged on.
Speaker #4: of satellite programs that you have engaged
Speaker #4: on? Yeah.
Stephen Daly: Yeah. So, we have multiple, as I mentioned. We are addressing not only on the microwave side, which would be either a backhaul link, ground to satellite. Also, we're engaged with satellite-to-satellite communications. We're engaged with optics. We're pretty much. It's probably fair to say that we are engaged at some level with all of the major LEO constellations today. Some of that is a narrow support. Maybe it's direct to device or direct to cell circuitry or electronics. Some of it's on the optics side, some of it's on the microwave side, some of it's on the ground station side. But it's fair to say that we have blanketed the major players as well as the up-and-coming companies that are trying to produce their first satellites.
Steve Daly: Yeah. So, we have multiple, as I mentioned. We are addressing not only on the microwave side, which would be either a backhaul link, ground to satellite. Also, we're engaged with satellite-to-satellite communications. We're engaged with optics. We're pretty much. It's probably fair to say that we are engaged at some level with all of the major LEO constellations today. Some of that is a narrow support. Maybe it's direct to device or direct to cell circuitry or electronics. Some of it's on the optics side, some of it's on the microwave side, some of it's on the ground station side. But it's fair to say that we have blanketed the major players as well as the up-and-coming companies that are trying to produce their first satellites.
Speaker #2: So we have multiple as I mentioned. We are addressing not only on the microwave side, which would be either a backhaul link ground to satellite, also we're engaged with satellite-to-satellite communications.
Speaker #2: We're engaged with optics; we're pretty much it's probably fair to say that we are engaged at some level with all of the major LEO constellations today.
Speaker #2: Some of that is narrow support, maybe it's direct-to-device or direct-to-cell circuitry or electronics. Some of it's on the optics side. Some of it's on the microwave side.
Speaker #2: Some of it's on the ground station side. But it's fair to say that we have blanketed the major players as well as the up-and-coming companies that are trying to produce their first satellites.
Stephen Daly: So it's a strategic focus for the company. We have a lot to offer, and I think over time, the business will grow. Just maybe more specifically on that larger contract, I think we said previously it was a $55 million contract with the potential of an additional $25 million add-on. And in our minds, what we think will happen is once we're in steady state production, we'll be turned on for additional orders that will dovetail onto the back end of the contract.
Steve Daly: So it's a strategic focus for the company. We have a lot to offer, and I think over time, the business will grow. Just maybe more specifically on that larger contract, I think we said previously it was a $55 million contract with the potential of an additional $25 million add-on. And in our minds, what we think will happen is once we're in steady state production, we'll be turned on for additional orders that will dovetail onto the back end of the contract.
Speaker #2: strategic focus for the company. We have a lot to offer. And I think And so it's a over time, the business will grow. And just maybe more specifically on that larger contract, I think we said previously it was a $55 million contract with the potential of an additional $25 million add-on and in our minds, what we think will happen is once we're in steady-state production, we'll be turned on for additional orders that will dovetail onto the back end of the
Speaker #2: contract. Very helpful.
John Kober: Very helpful. Thank you.
Karl Ackerman: Very helpful. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of David Williams with The Benchmark Company. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. And our next question coming from the line of David Williams with The Benchmark Company. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: question. Coming from the lineup, Thank you. Now, next David Williams with the benchmark company, he'll let us now
Speaker #5: Hey, good morning. Let me add my open. congratulations to the really solid progress and the demand here. I guess maybe first, gentlemen, thinking about your demand across the data center, is there a way to kind of think about that from a regional perspective?
David Williams: Hey, good morning, and let me add my congratulations to the really solid progress and demand here. I guess maybe first, gentlemen, thinking about your demand across the data center, is there a way to kind of think about that from a regional perspective, and are there transitions or maybe the pace of transition that's happening in terms of the speeds between the different regions you service?
David Williams: Hey, good morning, and let me add my congratulations to the really solid progress and demand here. I guess maybe first, gentlemen, thinking about your demand across the data center, is there a way to kind of think about that from a regional perspective, and are there transitions or maybe the pace of transition that's happening in terms of the speeds between the different regions you service?
Speaker #5: Are there transitions, or maybe the pace and the speeds, between the different regions you service?
Stephen Daly: There is certainly a geographic spread, but I would highlight maybe more, you know, one area that we focus on in the way we look at the data is also by data rate. And so a significant portion of our data center revenues is 400G and above, with the fastest growing portion of the market being the 1.6T applications. Now, we do, as you know, still service a lot of the other traditional, older style data centers. For example, we still sell today 25G per lane NRZ chips with CDRs. That business is hanging in there and doing reasonably well. Our 50G per lane PAM4 business is also, I would say, sort of flat, not really growing.
Speaker #2: There is. There is certainly a geographic spread, but I would highlight maybe more one area that we focus on and the way we look at the data is also by data rate.
Steve Daly: There is certainly a geographic spread, but I would highlight maybe more, you know, one area that we focus on in the way we look at the data is also by data rate. And so a significant portion of our data center revenues is 400G and above, with the fastest growing portion of the market being the 1.6T applications. Now, we do, as you know, still service a lot of the other traditional, older style data centers. For example, we still sell today 25G per lane NRZ chips with CDRs. That business is hanging in there and doing reasonably well. Our 50G per lane PAM4 business is also, I would say, sort of flat, not really growing.
Speaker #2: And so a significant portion of our data center revenue is 400 gig and above. With the fastest-growing portion of the market being the 1.6T, applications.
Speaker #2: Now, we do, as you know, still service a lot of the other traditional older-style data centers. For example, we still sell today 25 gig per lane NRZ chips with CDRs.
Speaker #2: That there and doing reasonably well. business is hanging in Our 50 gig per lane PAM4 business is also I would say sort of flat, not really growing.
Stephen Daly: Our traditional 100 gig per lane PAM4 business is solid, both in multi-mode and single mode fiber. And then, of course, the real action's at 200 gig per lane PAM4, and also some of the next generation coherent systems is an area of intense focus for us. I would also just add that, it's fair to say that we are supporting all of the hyperscalers here in the US, as well as international hyperscalers. So we typically find our products being sold into people building modules, AOCs, or cables, and they are disseminated across the various hyperscalers.
Speaker #2: Our traditional 100 gig per lane PAM4 business is solid. Both in multimode and single-mode fiber. And then, of course, the real actions at 200 gig per the next-generation coherent systems is an area of intense focus for us.
Steve Daly: Our traditional 100 gig per lane PAM4 business is solid, both in multi-mode and single mode fiber. And then, of course, the real action's at 200 gig per lane PAM4, and also some of the next generation coherent systems is an area of intense focus for us. I would also just add that, it's fair to say that we are supporting all of the hyperscalers here in the US, as well as international hyperscalers. So we typically find our products being sold into people building modules, AOCs, or cables, and they are disseminated across the various hyperscalers.
Speaker #2: I would also just add that it's fair to say that we are supporting all of US. hyperscalers. So we typically find our As well as international products being sold into people building modules AOCs, the hyperscalers here in the or cables, and they are disseminated across the various hyperscalers.
Speaker #5: Great, thanks for the color there. And then maybe just secondly, in terms of shortages and pricing, just what you're seeing in terms of your supply on the INP side and anything that's impacting you there and its pricing?
David Williams: Great. Thanks for the color there. And then maybe just secondly, in terms of shortages and pricing environment, can you talk maybe about just what you're seeing in terms of your supply on the INP side and anything that's impacting you there, and how the pricing environment as we kind of think about going through the rest of the year? Thank you.
David Williams: Great. Thanks for the color there. And then maybe just secondly, in terms of shortages and pricing environment, can you talk maybe about just what you're seeing in terms of your supply on the INP side and anything that's impacting you there, and how the pricing environment as we kind of think about going through the rest of the year? Thank you.
Speaker #5: How's the pricing environment as we kind of think about going through the rest of the year? Thank you.
Stephen Daly: Yeah, I think on the pricing side, I think our competitors and MACOM are being rational. So, you know, I don't think there's any news there. It's certainly all of our markets are very competitive. The customers are price sensitive. We try to balance, you know, our pricing with the value we're offering. But I would say we're in an environment where there is scarcity in some areas, and in that case, one would generally not be lowering their prices, but that's not always the case. And then on the supply side, we are absolutely in ramp mode in various programs, and there's always stress on the supply chain as well as on the execution side.
Steve Daly: Yeah, I think on the pricing side, I think our competitors and MACOM are being rational. So, you know, I don't think there's any news there. It's certainly all of our markets are very competitive. The customers are price sensitive. We try to balance, you know, our pricing with the value we're offering. But I would say we're in an environment where there is scarcity in some areas, and in that case, one would generally not be lowering their prices, but that's not always the case. And then on the supply side, we are absolutely in ramp mode in various programs, and there's always stress on the supply chain as well as on the execution side.
Speaker #2: pricing side, I Yeah. I think on the rational. So think our competitors in MACOM are being I don't think there's any news there. It's certainly all of our markets are very competitive.
Speaker #2: pricing side, I Yeah. I think on the rational. So think our competitors in MACOM are being I don't think there's
Speaker #2: The value we're offering. But I would say we're in an environment where there is scarcity in some areas. And in that case, one would generally not be lowering their prices.
Speaker #2: But that's not always the case. And then on the supply side, we are absolutely always stress on the supply chain, as well as on the execution in ramp mode in various programs and there's side.
Speaker #2: And our global supply chain management team does an outstanding job making sure we have what we need when we environment, can you talk maybe about need it.
Stephen Daly: And our global supply chain management team does an outstanding job making sure we have what we need, when we need it. So, it's certainly a key area of focus, especially as it relates to, as you mentioned, Indium Phosphide, but also other exotic materials. We're always keeping an eye on availability and potential constraints around those areas.
Steve Daly: And our global supply chain management team does an outstanding job making sure we have what we need, when we need it. So, it's certainly a key area of focus, especially as it relates to, as you mentioned, Indium Phosphide, but also other exotic materials. We're always keeping an eye on availability and potential constraints around those areas.
Speaker #2: It's certainly a key area of SO focus, especially as it relates to, as you mentioned, indium phosphide, but also other exotic materials. We're always keeping an eye on availability and potential constraints around those.
Speaker #2: areas.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: next question coming from the
Speaker #1: Harsh Kumar with Piper
Speaker #1: Sandler, he'll let us now open. Yeah.
Harsh Kumar: Yeah. Hey, guys, congratulations on very good results and possibly even better guidance. Maybe, Jack, one for you, housekeeping, and then I'll ask my real question. The 1.3 book to bill is very strong. I think you mentioned, Steve, that it's the strongest probably in the last 4 or 5 years. Is that primarily driven by data center, or are there other components that you're seeing within that? And then, I wanted to kind of, for my main question, wanted to go back to the one that Vivek asked about, gross margins on the data center business. Is it fair for me to assume that your margins on the data center business are below your corporate goal of 60%?
Harsh Kumar: Yeah. Hey, guys, congratulations on very good results and possibly even better guidance. Maybe, Jack, one for you, housekeeping, and then I'll ask my real question. The 1.3 book to bill is very strong. I think you mentioned, Steve, that it's the strongest probably in the last 4 or 5 years. Is that primarily driven by data center, or are there other components that you're seeing within that? And then, I wanted to kind of, for my main question, wanted to go back to the one that Vivek asked about, gross margins on the data center business. Is it fair for me to assume that your margins on the data center business are below your corporate goal of 60%?
Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Congratulations on very good results, and possibly even better guidance. Maybe, Jack, one for you—housekeeping—and then I'll ask my real question.
Speaker #4: The 1.3 book-to-bill is very strong. I think you mentioned Steve that it's the strongest probably in the last four or five years. Is that primarily driven by data center or are there other components that you're seeing within that?
Speaker #4: then I wanted to kind of, for my main question, I wanted to go back to the one that Vivek asked And about gross margins on the data center business.
Speaker #4: Is it fair for me to assume that your margins on the data center business are below your corporate goal of
Speaker #4: 60%?
John Kober: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Harsh. And with regard to the book to bill, you know, we generally don't break it out by end market. But obviously, based on the guide that we put out there and some of the other items, we did see a fair amount of strength within the December quarter as it relates to the data center book to bill. So things are definitely going in the right direction there. In terms of, you know, the data center profile, margin profile, as I said, we manage a portfolio of products, and gross margins will vary across the business. And Steve, I don't know if there's any other commentary that you'd like to add on that.
Jack Kober: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Harsh. And with regard to the book to bill, you know, we generally don't break it out by end market. But obviously, based on the guide that we put out there and some of the other items, we did see a fair amount of strength within the December quarter as it relates to the data center book to bill. So things are definitely going in the right direction there. In terms of, you know, the data center profile, margin profile, as I said, we manage a portfolio of products, and gross margins will vary across the business. And Steve, I don't know if there's any other commentary that you'd like to add on that.
Speaker #2: question, Harsh. And with regard to the Yeah. Thanks for the book-to-bill, we generally don't break it out by end market. But obviously, based on the guide that we put out there and some of the other items we did see a fair amount of strength within the December quarter as it relates to the lineup.
Speaker #2: data center book-to-bill. So things are definitely going in the right direction
Speaker #2: data center margin profile, as I said, we manage a portfolio of products and gross margins will vary across the business. And Steve, I don't know if there's any other commentary that you'd like to add on that.
Speaker #3: That's a perfect answer, Jack.
Stephen Daly: That's a perfect answer, Jack.
Steve Daly: That's a perfect answer, Jack.
Speaker #4: Okay. Great. And maybe one thing that didn't get touched upon on the call is the LPO business. So I think you mentioned in one of the earlier quarters that you were expecting revenues I think maybe last quarter already.
John Kober: ... Okay, great. And maybe one thing that didn't get touched upon on the call is the LPO business. So I think you mentioned in one of the earlier quarters that you were expecting revenues, I think maybe last quarter already. If you can just update if you already have commercial revenues, and then also I wanted to ask about kind of how you're thinking about the LPO business. You talked about it in your commentary; seems like a lot of exciting things going on. What kind of market size do you think LPO can deserve for your company or TAM, or however you wanna scope it in the next two to three years?
Harsh Kumar: ... Okay, great. And maybe one thing that didn't get touched upon on the call is the LPO business. So I think you mentioned in one of the earlier quarters that you were expecting revenues, I think maybe last quarter already. If you can just update if you already have commercial revenues, and then also I wanted to ask about kind of how you're thinking about the LPO business. You talked about it in your commentary; seems like a lot of exciting things going on. What kind of market size do you think LPO can deserve for your company or TAM, or however you wanna scope it in the next two to three years?
Speaker #4: If you can just update if you already have commercial revenues. And then also, I wanted to ask about kind of how you're thinking about the LPO business.
Speaker #4: You talked about it in your commentary. Seems like a lot of exciting things going on. What kind of market size do you think LPO can deserve for your company or TAM or however you years?
Stephen Daly: Thanks for the question. So, we are very bullish on LPO. In fact, we now have three hyperscalers embracing LPO, and we are in various phases of production with those three hyperscalers. Just to remind everybody, these are typically, or in all cases, 100 gig per lane for generally 800 gig modules. And so we also see that LPO will evolve to NPO and CPO or XPO, if you wanna include everything, and so we're following that trail into different form factors. So we, we'd like to, we, you know, we're finally getting success here. I think it's still a small part of the market, in some, we get various data points from various resources about how big the market could be.
Speaker #2: Thanks for the question.
Steve Daly: Thanks for the question. So, we are very bullish on LPO. In fact, we now have three hyperscalers embracing LPO, and we are in various phases of production with those three hyperscalers. Just to remind everybody, these are typically, or in all cases, 100 gig per lane for generally 800 gig modules. And so we also see that LPO will evolve to NPO and CPO or XPO, if you wanna include everything, and so we're following that trail into different form factors. So we, we'd like to, we, you know, we're finally getting success here. I think it's still a small part of the market, in some, we get various data points from various resources about how big the market could be.
Speaker #2: So we are very bullish on LPO, in fact, we now have three hyperscalers embracing LPO. And we are in various want to scope it in the next two to three phases of production with those three everybody, these are typically or in all cases 100 gig per lane.
Speaker #2: For, generally, 800-gig hyperscaler modules. And so, we also see that LPO will, just to remind, evolve to NPO and CPO, or XPO if you want to include everything.
Speaker #2: And so we're following that trail into different form like the we're finally getting success here I think it's still a small part of the market in some we get various data points from various resources about how big the market could be.
Speaker #2: But I it will remain relatively small in the next one to two years. And maybe over time it grows. But it is a you have to be careful with the use case.
Stephen Daly: But I think, today it's small. I would expect it will remain relatively small in the next 1 to 2 years, and maybe over time it grows. But it, it is you have to be careful with the use case. It is certainly compelling. The power savings that you're getting with LPO is compelling for the end users. But we again, as I mentioned earlier, we're a little hesitant to size the market because we really have to wait and see. But we do have a full suite of products here, and the fact that we have 3 hyperscalers in production or at various stages is great.
Steve Daly: But I think, today it's small. I would expect it will remain relatively small in the next 1 to 2 years, and maybe over time it grows. But it, it is you have to be careful with the use case. It is certainly compelling. The power savings that you're getting with LPO is compelling for the end users. But we again, as I mentioned earlier, we're a little hesitant to size the market because we really have to wait and see. But we do have a full suite of products here, and the fact that we have 3 hyperscalers in production or at various stages is great.
Speaker #2: It is certainly compelling. The power savings that you're getting with LPO is compelling for the end users. But we, again, as I mentioned earlier, we're a little hesitant to size the market because we really have to wait and see.
Speaker #2: But we do have a full suite of products here. And the fact that we have three hyperscalers in production or at various maybe that I should highlight in stages is great.
Speaker #2: And I think the one thing the my answer is we're seeing our customers also investigate LRO at 1.6T. Using 200 gig per lane chips.
Stephen Daly: I think the one thing maybe that I should highlight in my answer is, we're also seeing our customers investigate LRO at 1.6T, using 200G per lane chips. And so that is exciting for us, and that is an area of focus currently.
Steve Daly: I think the one thing maybe that I should highlight in my answer is, we're also seeing our customers investigate LRO at 1.6T, using 200G per lane chips. And so that is exciting for us, and that is an area of focus currently.
Speaker #2: And so that is exciting for us. And that is an area of focus
Speaker #2: currently.
Speaker #1: Thank
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Blaine Curtis with Jefferies. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Blaine Curtis with Jefferies. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: you. Our next question coming from the lineup. Blaine Curtis, with Jeffries.
Speaker #1: open. Hey, guys.
Blaine Curtis: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question and nice results. I just wanna go back to the strength in the data center. Obviously, 1.6T is ramping. The market is very strong. I'm just kind of curious for you, in particular, you know, whether there's a share aspect as well to the growth you're seeing in 1.6T for the analog components, which I'm assuming is the bulk of that growth.
Blayne Curtis: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question and nice results. I just wanna go back to the strength in the data center. Obviously, 1.6T is ramping. The market is very strong. I'm just kind of curious for you, in particular, you know, whether there's a share aspect as well to the growth you're seeing in 1.6T for the analog components, which I'm assuming is the bulk of that growth.
Speaker #5: Thanks for taking my question in the nice results. I just want to go back to the strength in the data center.
Speaker #5: Obviously, 1.6 is ramping. The market is very strong. I'm just kind of curious for you in particular, He'll let us now whether there's a share aspect as well to the growth you're seeing in 1.6T for the analog components, which I'm assuming is the bulk of that
Speaker #5: growth. I'm not sure it's so
Stephen Daly: I'm not sure it's so much share growth per se. I mean, if as we look at our dashboards and where we have content and where we don't have content, we see competitors on all sides. And so, you know, I wouldn't necessarily say that this is a share gain. I think it's the market's growing; we're winning designs. We always go up against the same competitors, you know, and it's a combination of timing and support and having new products. I mean, one of the key growth drivers for MACOM, of course, is the 200 gig per lane portfolio, but also on the optics side.
Steve Daly: I'm not sure it's so much share growth per se. I mean, if as we look at our dashboards and where we have content and where we don't have content, we see competitors on all sides. And so, you know, I wouldn't necessarily say that this is a share gain. I think it's the market's growing; we're winning designs. We always go up against the same competitors, you know, and it's a combination of timing and support and having new products. I mean, one of the key growth drivers for MACOM, of course, is the 200 gig per lane portfolio, but also on the optics side.
Speaker #2: Much share growth per se. I mean, as we look at our dashboards and where we have content and where we don't have content, we see competitors on all sides.
Speaker #2: And so I wouldn't necessarily say that this is a share gain. I think it's the market's growing where we're winning designs. We always go up against the same competitors.
Speaker #2: And it's a combination of timing and support and having new products. I mean, one of the key growth drivers for MACOM, of course, is the 200 gig per lane portfolio, but also on the optic side.
Stephen Daly: We do see significant opportunities with our photodiodes, and as I mentioned, we have, I think, arguably one of the best 200 gig PDs in the market today, and we are working on higher speed PDs to support higher data rates. And then last, as I mentioned, we have 2 customers that are very excited about our CW lasers for their silicon photonics solutions, and this would certainly be picking up market share because today we don't sell lasers into 1.6T applications.
Speaker #2: And we do see significant opportunities with our photo diodes and, as I mentioned, we have I think arguably one of the best 200 gig PDs in the market today.
Steve Daly: We do see significant opportunities with our photodiodes, and as I mentioned, we have, I think, arguably one of the best 200 gig PDs in the market today, and we are working on higher speed PDs to support higher data rates. And then last, as I mentioned, we have 2 customers that are very excited about our CW lasers for their silicon photonics solutions, and this would certainly be picking up market share because today we don't sell lasers into 1.6T applications.
Speaker #2: support higher data rates. And then last, as I mentioned, we have two customers that are very excited about our CW lasers for their silicon photonics, and we are working on that.
Speaker #2: Solutions. And this would certainly be picking up market share, because today we don't sell lasers into 1.6T applications.
Speaker #4: Perfect. And then maybe just some housekeeping with Jack. I just want to understand the impacts. I always hate modeling converts. So when you look at March and maybe just comment on I think you said the shares to settle are already in the share count.
Blaine Curtis: Perfect. And then maybe just some housekeeping with Jack. I just wanna understand the impacts. I always hate modeling converts. So when you look at March, and maybe just comment on, I think you said the shares to settle are already in the share count. What's the impact, positive or negative, on OI&E? Just trying to triangulate, you know, kind of how the rest of the P&L and OpEx is guided. And then maybe you could just also talk about capital returns. I think you had signaled maybe you'd do some share buybacks, but I'm assuming this debt retirement takes precedence in March. How are you thinking about it for the rest of the year?
Blayne Curtis: Perfect. And then maybe just some housekeeping with Jack. I just wanna understand the impacts. I always hate modeling converts. So when you look at March, and maybe just comment on, I think you said the shares to settle are already in the share count. What's the impact, positive or negative, on OI&E? Just trying to triangulate, you know, kind of how the rest of the P&L and OpEx is guided. And then maybe you could just also talk about capital returns. I think you had signaled maybe you'd do some share buybacks, but I'm assuming this debt retirement takes precedence in March. How are you thinking about it for the rest of the year?
Speaker #4: What's the impact positive or negative on OI&E? Just trying to triangulate kind of how the rest of the then maybe you could just also talk P&L and OPEX is guided.
Speaker #4: And about capital returns. I think you had signaled maybe you'd do some share buybacks, but I'm assuming this debt retirement takes precedent.
Speaker #4: year?
John Kober: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Blaine. Yeah, with regard to the share count, yeah, there's a number of factors that can contribute to share count as we go forward. Part of it is just our normal employee equity that's awarded, and we've kept pretty well control over that in terms of adding to our outstanding share count over the past number of years. And then the convert is another piece, and we've been adding some of the additional shares to the share count as we work our way through the year and leading up to the final settlement, which we expect to be in mid-March.
Jack Kober: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Blaine. Yeah, with regard to the share count, yeah, there's a number of factors that can contribute to share count as we go forward. Part of it is just our normal employee equity that's awarded, and we've kept pretty well control over that in terms of adding to our outstanding share count over the past number of years. And then the convert is another piece, and we've been adding some of the additional shares to the share count as we work our way through the year and leading up to the final settlement, which we expect to be in mid-March.
Speaker #2: Thanks for the question, Blaine. Yeah, with regard to the share count, yeah, there's a number of
Speaker #2: factors that can contribute to share count as we go forward. Part of it is just our normal employee equity that's awarded. And we've kept pretty well control over that in terms of adding to our outstanding share count over the past number of years.
Speaker #2: And then the convert is another piece. And we've been in March. adding some of the additional shares to the share count as we work our way through
Speaker #2: the year and leading up to the final settlement, which we expect to be in mid-March. And then with regard to your capital through this debt I think our primary focus is getting repayment, which is $161 million, in the mid-March time period.
John Kober: And then, with regard to your capital allocation question, yeah, I think our, our primary focus is getting through this debt repayment, which is $161 million in the mid-March time period.
Jack Kober: And then, with regard to your capital allocation question, yeah, I think our, our primary focus is getting through this debt repayment, which is $161 million in the mid-March time period.
Stephen Daly: I'll just add to that, as it relates to share buybacks, that is not something that we're contemplating, and you should not expect that in the future.
Speaker #2: I'll just add to that And that as it relates to share buybacks, that is not something How are you thinking about it for the rest of the that we're contemplating.
Steve Daly: I'll just add to that, as it relates to share buybacks, that is not something that we're contemplating, and you should not expect that in the future.
Speaker #2: That in the end, you should not expect future.
Operator: Thank you. Now, next question coming from the line of Tore Svanberg with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Now, next question coming from the line of Tore Svanberg with Stifel. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Now, next question coming from the lineup. Sorry, Sandberg with Stifel. He'll let us now open.
Speaker #6: Yes, thank you. And congrats on the record a comment you made on results. Steve, I wanted to go back to growth in telecom for this year.
Tore Svanberg: Yes, thank you, and congrats on the record results. Steve, I wanted to go back to a comment you made on growth in telecom for this year. I mean, I know, I know it wasn't guidance per se, but it just feels like, you know, high single digit or low double digit for telecom growth this year, it seems quite conservative, especially given your position in Satcom, 5G coming back and so on and so forth. So, I mean, is that kind of just like a really base case number? Yeah, anything you can add there would be great.
Tore Svanberg: Yes, thank you, and congrats on the record results. Steve, I wanted to go back to a comment you made on growth in telecom for this year. I mean, I know, I know it wasn't guidance per se, but it just feels like, you know, high single digit or low double digit for telecom growth this year, it seems quite conservative, especially given your position in Satcom, 5G coming back and so on and so forth. So, I mean, is that kind of just like a really base case number? Yeah, anything you can add there would be great.
Speaker #6: I mean, I know it wasn't guidance per se, but it just feels like high signal digital, low double digit for telecom growth this especially given your position in SATCOM, 5G coming back, and so on and so forth.
Speaker #6: So, I mean, is that kind of just like a really base case number? Yeah, anything you can add there would be...
Speaker #6: great. Yeah, I year.
Stephen Daly: Yeah, I think also keeping in perspective that last year we had about 40% growth, so we're coming off a pretty high base there. I highlighted that the RAN market is sort of relatively flat, with us having potential to pick up market share. We have a great position in the Satcom market, and these are generally long design cycle, complex builds that take time, and a lot of the growth in Satcom. I would say is more of a late 2026, early 2027, which makes it difficult for us today to sort of settle in on a, let's say a best case number. So I think thinking below 10% is a good way to think about it today.
Steve Daly: Yeah, I think also keeping in perspective that last year we had about 40% growth, so we're coming off a pretty high base there. I highlighted that the RAN market is sort of relatively flat, with us having potential to pick up market share. We have a great position in the Satcom market, and these are generally long design cycle, complex builds that take time, and a lot of the growth in Satcom. I would say is more of a late 2026, early 2027, which makes it difficult for us today to sort of settle in on a, let's say a best case number. So I think thinking below 10% is a good way to think about it today.
Speaker #2: perspective that last year we had about
Speaker #2: Coming off a pretty high base there. I highlighted that the RAN market has potential to pick up market share. We have a great position in the SATCOM market.
Speaker #2: And these are cycle complex builds that take time and a lot It seems quite conservative, SATCOM, I would say, is more of a late 26, early 27, which makes it difficult for us today to sort of settle in on a, let's say, a best case number.
Speaker #2: So I think thinking below 10% is a good way to think about it
Speaker #2: today. That's fair.
Tore Svanberg: That's fair. And then as my follow-up, I believe last year at OFC, you guys were sampling a 1.6T LPO solution. Now, when you talk about LPO with 1.6, there's more references to LRO. So I'm just curious, based on, you know, your conversations, are we gonna see 1.6 LPO, or is the thinking now that, you know, LRO is probably the better way to go, specifically for 1.6?
Tore Svanberg: That's fair. And then as my follow-up, I believe last year at OFC, you guys were sampling a 1.6T LPO solution. Now, when you talk about LPO with 1.6, there's more references to LRO. So I'm just curious, based on, you know, your conversations, are we gonna see 1.6 LPO, or is the thinking now that, you know, LRO is probably the better way to go, specifically for 1.6?
Speaker #4: And then as my follow-up, I believe last year at OFC, you guys were sampling a 1.6T LPO solution now when you talk about LPO with 1.6, there's more references to LRO.
Speaker #4: So I'm just curious based on your conversations are we going to see 1.6 LPO, or is the thinking now that LRO is probably the better way to go specifically for 1.6?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I would have to go back and check on that. I know we certainly were demonstrating 1.6T ACCs and AOCs, but I'd have to go back, Tory, and check on the LPO version of that.
Stephen Daly: Yeah, I would have to go back and check on that one. I know we certainly were demonstrating 1.6T ACCs and AOCs, but I'd have to go back, Tore, and check on the at the LPO version of that. Certainly, we were demonstrating 400G and 800G modules in the booth from our customers. I think that the answer to your question is the customers are evaluating both right now, but there's significant benefits even with LRO, and it gets down to the specifics around really the DSP, the power budget, the link length, and so it's really TBD. And so, you know, there's a higher probability of the of LRO working than LPO working because there's just more capability from the the ASIC itself, let's say, to support the interface.
Steve Daly: Yeah, I would have to go back and check on that one. I know we certainly were demonstrating 1.6T ACCs and AOCs, but I'd have to go back, Tore, and check on the at the LPO version of that. Certainly, we were demonstrating 400G and 800G modules in the booth from our customers. I think that the answer to your question is the customers are evaluating both right now, but there's significant benefits even with LRO, and it gets down to the specifics around really the DSP, the power budget, the link length, and so it's really TBD. And so, you know, there's a higher probability of the of LRO working than LPO working because there's just more capability from the the ASIC itself, let's say, to support the interface.
Speaker #2: Certainly, we were demonstrating 400 and 800-gig modules in the booth from our customers. I think that the answer to your question is the customers are evaluating both right now, but there are significant benefits even with LRO, and it gets down to the specific DSP, the power budget, the link length.
Speaker #2: And so it's really TBD. And probability of the LRO working than LPO working, because there's just more capability from the ASIC itself, let's say, so there's a higher chance to support the interface.
Stephen Daly: So, you know, we would, you know, from a probability point of view, I would say LRO is more likely to happen first and then LPO, and there's still more work that needs to be done there. But we see that work happening at our customers.
Steve Daly: So, you know, we would, you know, from a probability point of view, I would say LRO is more likely to happen first and then LPO, and there's still more work that needs to be done there. But we see that work happening at our customers.
Speaker #2: So we would, from a probability point of view, I would say LRO is more likely to happen first. And then LPO. there. But we see that work And there's still more work that needs to be done happening.
Speaker #2: At our customers.
Speaker #1: Thank you. Our next question coming from the lineup. Sean O'Loughlin with TD Cohen. He'll let us now
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Sean O'Loughlin with TD Cowen. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Sean O'Loughlin with TD Cowen. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: open. Hey, guys.
Sean O'Loughlin: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the nice set of results. Had a quick question about the CW laser customer commentary. Just wanted to clear up: are those customers, if you're able to disclose, are we talking about module maker customers, or was that a reference to more hyperscale type customers?
Sean O'Loughlin: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the nice set of results. Had a quick question about the CW laser customer commentary. Just wanted to clear up: are those customers, if you're able to disclose, are we talking about module maker customers, or was that a reference to more hyperscale type customers?
Speaker #7: Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the nice set of results. Had a quick question about the CW Laser customer commentary. Just wanted to clear up.
Speaker #7: Are those customers, if you're able to disclose, are we talking about module maker customers or was that a reference to more hyperscale type customers?
Speaker #2: Yeah, I would say more of the former. So it's really the module customers that are our first line of— I mean, I would say that they are able to use our laser.
Stephen Daly: Yeah, I mean, I would say that, we're engaging with the, more of the former, so it's really the module customers that are our first line of entry. So we wanna make sure that they are able to use our laser; they're getting good module level results. The next step is to collect a large body of reliability data, and when our customer is happy with that data set, then they go to the hyperscalers and, you know, run through a PCN process to get us on the approved vendor list, let's say. And so we're early in that phase, but it is a watershed moment because, six months ago, we were not in a position where we had a compliant laser. Today, we do. And so that-- we're excited about that.
Steve Daly: Yeah, I mean, I would say that, we're engaging with the, more of the former, so it's really the module customers that are our first line of entry. So we wanna make sure that they are able to use our laser; they're getting good module level results. The next step is to collect a large body of reliability data, and when our customer is happy with that data set, then they go to the hyperscalers and, you know, run through a PCN process to get us on the approved vendor list, let's say. And so we're early in that phase, but it is a watershed moment because, six months ago, we were not in a position where we had a compliant laser. Today, we do. And so that-- we're excited about that.
Speaker #2: They're getting good module-level results. The next step is to collect a large body of reliability data and when our customers are happy with that data set, then they go to the hyperscalers to get us on the approved vendor list, let's say.
Speaker #2: And so we're early in that phase, but it is a watershed moment because six months ago, we were not in a position where we had a compliant laser.
Speaker #2: Today, we do, and so we're excited about that. Now, we also run through a PCN process in the early stages of
Stephen Daly: Now, we also recognize there's a process to get into production, and we're in the early stages of that.
Steve Daly: Now, we also recognize there's a process to get into production, and we're in the early stages of that.
Speaker #2: that. Great.
Sean O'Loughlin: Great. Thanks, yeah, and it's great to hear on the progress there. And then just, you know, sort of a blue sky question. I was interested to hear you mention front haul as an application for LPO. As you know, you've often reminded us that LPO is typically suited for, you know, short reach applications within the data center. Typically, I don't think of front haul as a short reach application, so would love to hear just, you know, any more details on that application potential for linear pluggable optics. Thanks, guys.
Sean O'Loughlin: Great. Thanks, yeah, and it's great to hear on the progress there. And then just, you know, sort of a blue sky question. I was interested to hear you mention front haul as an application for LPO. As you know, you've often reminded us that LPO is typically suited for, you know, short reach applications within the data center. Typically, I don't think of front haul as a short reach application, so would love to hear just, you know, any more details on that application potential for linear pluggable optics. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #7: Thanks. Yeah, and it's great to hear on the progress there. And then just sort of blue sky question, I was interested to application for LPO.
Speaker #7: that LPO is typically suited You've often reminded us applications within the data center. And for short reach typically, I don't think of front haul as a short reach application.
Speaker #7: So we'd love to hear just any more details on that linear pluggable option. Thanks, guys.
Speaker #7: So we'd love to hear just any more details on that linear pluggable option. Thanks, application potential for a Yes.
Stephen Daly: Yes. Yeah, and I think your question speaks to the fact that our customers are critically looking at the network connections and where they use optics for their next generation systems, and how do they reduce cost and complexity. And LPO brings that as a, you know, brings that benefit. So we have to. So, yes, we are going through design and trials with various customers to see if it, it works in system. The benefit they see, quite frankly, is that it is a low latency solution, so there's, you know... it's more of a real-time transmission, let's say, than a retime solution. So we'll have to wait and see. As AI starts to creep into the networks and as things move towards the edge, a lot of the optical interconnect becomes more relevant.
Steve Daly: Yes. Yeah, and I think your question speaks to the fact that our customers are critically looking at the network connections and where they use optics for their next generation systems, and how do they reduce cost and complexity. And LPO brings that as a, you know, brings that benefit. So we have to. So, yes, we are going through design and trials with various customers to see if it, it works in system. The benefit they see, quite frankly, is that it is a low latency solution, so there's, you know... it's more of a real-time transmission, let's say, than a retime solution. So we'll have to wait and see. As AI starts to creep into the networks and as things move towards the edge, a lot of the optical interconnect becomes more relevant.
Speaker #4: question speaks to the fact that Yeah, and I think your our customers are critically looking at the the network connections and where they use optics.
Speaker #4: For their next generation systems and how do they reduce costs and complexity. And LPO brings that as a brings that benefit so we have to so yes, we are going through to see if it works in design and trials with various customers system.
Speaker #4: The benefit they see, quite frankly, is that it is a low latency solution. So there's it's more of a real-time transmission, let's say, than a retime solution.
Speaker #4: So we'll have to wait and see. As AI starts to creep into the networks, and as things move towards the edge, a lot of the optical interconnect becomes more relevant.
Speaker #4: And then the other sort of tangent, I'll add, is we are engaged also to help customers rearchitect remote radios where you bring fiber right to the radio.
Stephen Daly: And then the other sort of tangent I'll add is we are engaged also to help customers rearchitect remote radios, where you bring fiber right to the radio, and we wanna be involved in that, that part of the network as well.
Steve Daly: And then the other sort of tangent I'll add is we are engaged also to help customers rearchitect remote radios, where you bring fiber right to the radio, and we wanna be involved in that, that part of the network as well.
Speaker #4: And we want to be involved in that part of
Speaker #4: well. Thank
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Christopher Rolland with Susquehanna. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question coming from the line of Christopher Rolland with Susquehanna. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: you. Our next question coming from the network as the lineup. Christopher Roland with Siska Hana. He'll let us now open.
Speaker #8: Hi, guys. Thank you for the question. I guess my question here is around linear equalizers. I in your prepared remarks, if you could talk a little bit think on PCB, which you mentioned more about that, the growing interest there, do you think this could be a bigger than ACCs, linear product equalizers and ACCs?
Christopher Rolland: Hi, guys. Thank you for the question. I guess my question here is around linear equalizers, I think on PCB, which you mentioned in your prepared remarks. If you could talk a little bit more about that, the growing interest there. Do you think this could be a bigger product than ACCs, linear equalizers and ACCs? And what does that—what do the economics here look like for you versus the ACC approach? Thank you.
Christopher Rolland: Hi, guys. Thank you for the question. I guess my question here is around linear equalizers, I think on PCB, which you mentioned in your prepared remarks. If you could talk a little bit more about that, the growing interest there. Do you think this could be a bigger product than ACCs, linear equalizers and ACCs? And what does that—what do the economics here look like for you versus the ACC approach? Thank you.
Speaker #8: And what does that what do the economics here look like for you versus the ACC approach? Thank
Speaker #8: you. Yeah, so
Stephen Daly: Yeah, so adding the linear equalizers to various backplanes is of interest to lots of customers, not only in the traditional sort of AI construct, but also closer to the, you know, as you get into the compute, we see opportunities to eliminate retimers in various compute connections. That's number one. Number two, as things move to 400 gig per lane, having equalization on these boards is gonna be very important, and so customers recognize there's trace losses and interface issues, and they're gonna need something to compensate. And so the use case at a 400 gig lane speed is compelling. Today, though, with our 200 gig per lane, you looking to, you know, augment passive DACs is, you know, something we're looking at.
Steve Daly: Yeah, so adding the linear equalizers to various backplanes is of interest to lots of customers, not only in the traditional sort of AI construct, but also closer to the, you know, as you get into the compute, we see opportunities to eliminate retimers in various compute connections. That's number one. Number two, as things move to 400 gig per lane, having equalization on these boards is gonna be very important, and so customers recognize there's trace losses and interface issues, and they're gonna need something to compensate. And so the use case at a 400 gig lane speed is compelling. Today, though, with our 200 gig per lane, you looking to, you know, augment passive DACs is, you know, something we're looking at.
Speaker #2: Adding the linear equalizers to various backplanes is not the only, so let's say, area of interest to lots of traditional sort customers. Not only in that, as you get into the compute, we see opportunities to eliminate retimers in various compute connections.
Speaker #2: That's number one. Number two, as things move to 400 gig per lane having equalization on these boards is going to be very important and so customers recognize there's trace something to compensate.
Speaker #2: Losses in interface issues, and they're going to need— and so 400-gig lane speed is compelling. Today, though, with our 200-gig per lane, you're looking to augment passive DACs. This is something we're looking at.
Speaker #2: But I don't think all of those things combined will be as big as the ACC opportunity where it becomes architectural and there's lots of cables and we just see that as sort of a bigger growth opportunity.
Stephen Daly: But I don't think all of those things combined will be as big as the ACC opportunity, where it becomes architectural and there's lots of cables, and we just see that as sort of a bigger growth opportunity. So the, the volumes that some talk about on the ACC side are quite large, compared to the, let's say, the backplane applications. And then the last thing I'll add is we also have customers looking at AECs and asking themselves, "Do I-- can I convert this to an ACC?" And we're trying to help them with those, you know, answer that question as well.
Steve Daly: But I don't think all of those things combined will be as big as the ACC opportunity, where it becomes architectural and there's lots of cables, and we just see that as sort of a bigger growth opportunity. So the, the volumes that some talk about on the ACC side are quite large, compared to the, let's say, the backplane applications. And then the last thing I'll add is we also have customers looking at AECs and asking themselves, "Do I-- can I convert this to an ACC?" And we're trying to help them with those, you know, answer that question as well.
Speaker #2: So the volumes that some talk about on the ACC side are quite large compared applications. And then the last thing I'll add is we also have customers looking at AECs and asking themselves, do I can I convert this to an ACC?
Speaker #2: And we're trying to question as help them with those answer that
Speaker #2: well. Very
Christopher Rolland: Very helpful. Thank you. And then I was wondering if maybe you could just provide a kind of a big picture answer here. You have such a diverse product set. You also have new products coming onto your roadmap. What are the, in your opinion, like, biggest needle-moving new offerings that you think is really going to make a difference on the top line for MACOM over the next couple of years? Thank you.
Christopher Rolland: Very helpful. Thank you. And then I was wondering if maybe you could just provide a kind of a big picture answer here. You have such a diverse product set. You also have new products coming onto your roadmap. What are the, in your opinion, like, biggest needle-moving new offerings that you think is really going to make a difference on the top line for MACOM over the next couple of years? Thank you.
Speaker #8: Helpful. Thank you. And then I was wondering if maybe you could just provide kind of a big-picture answer here. You have such a diverse product set.
Speaker #8: You also have new products coming onto your roadmap. What are the, in your opinion, biggest needle moving new offerings that you think is really going to make a difference on the top line for MACOM over the next couple of years?
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Stephen Daly: Well, I think that's a great question, and I'll just highlight that, you know, this management team, in about 6 years, has doubled the size of the company. Our fundamental focus has been on high power, high frequency, and high data rate. When we look ahead, we, we wanna double the size of this company and not take 6 years. We wanna do it faster. So we're trying to execute our strategic plan that gets us to $2 billion with a reasonable CAGR, and we wanna double the share price, the earnings per share. And so that is our focus, and that means non-commodity, differentiated products, stay with the large growing markets, but also diversify.
Steve Daly: Well, I think that's a great question, and I'll just highlight that, you know, this management team, in about 6 years, has doubled the size of the company. Our fundamental focus has been on high power, high frequency, and high data rate. When we look ahead, we, we wanna double the size of this company and not take 6 years. We wanna do it faster. So we're trying to execute our strategic plan that gets us to $2 billion with a reasonable CAGR, and we wanna double the share price, the earnings per share. And so that is our focus, and that means non-commodity, differentiated products, stay with the large growing markets, but also diversify.
Speaker #2: great question and I'll just highlight that this management team and about six years Well, I think that's a has doubled the size of the company.
Speaker #2: Our fundamental focus has been on high power, high frequency, and high data rate. When we look ahead, we want to double the want to do it faster.
Speaker #2: Size of this company and not take six years. We plan that gets us to $2 billion with a reasonable CAGR, and we want to double the share price.
Speaker #2: The earnings per share, and means non-commodity differentiated, so that is our focus. And that products stay with the large, growing markets, but to execute our strategic, also diversify.
Stephen Daly: And that is a big part of our story here, and that differentiates us, I think, from a lot of the companies that are very focused on, let's say, Indium Phosphide components for the data center. These are, these are structural organizations that do not have diversity, and our approach to these large opportunities is to bring the diversity. So when you look at our fabs, as an example, they're running lots of different technologies, and there'll be periods where some, some technologies grow very quickly and periods where they don't. So fundamental to our business model is diversification in product lines, geography, and markets. Excuse me.
Steve Daly: And that is a big part of our story here, and that differentiates us, I think, from a lot of the companies that are very focused on, let's say, Indium Phosphide components for the data center. These are, these are structural organizations that do not have diversity, and our approach to these large opportunities is to bring the diversity. So when you look at our fabs, as an example, they're running lots of different technologies, and there'll be periods where some, some technologies grow very quickly and periods where they don't. So fundamental to our business model is diversification in product lines, geography, and markets. Excuse me.
Speaker #2: And that is a big part of our story here and that differentiates us, I think, from a lot of the companies that are very focused on, let's say, Indian phosphite components for the data center.
Speaker #2: These are structural organizations that do not have diversity and our approach to these large opportunities is to bring the diversity. So when you look at they're running lots of different our fabs as an example, technologies and there'll be periods where some technologies grow very quickly and periods where they don't.
Speaker #2: So fundamental is diversification in product lines, geography, and markets. Excuse me.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Tim Savageaux with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from the line of Tim Savageaux with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: lineup. Tim Sepson with Northland Capital question will come from the
Speaker #1: open. Good morning Markets.
Speaker #1: open. Good morning Markets. He'll let us now and congrats on the results.
Tim Savageaux: Good morning, and congrats on the results, and good timing here, given you just mentioned Indium Phosphide. That's my question. Actually, as you mentioned capacity addition. I wonder, I'm really looking for kind of magnitude and timing for that capacity addition, say, from the beginning to the end of the fiscal year. What are you targeting there? And as a quick follow-up, you know, how material are those optical devices within the overall data center unit right now, and where do you expect that to go? Thanks.
Tim Savageaux: Good morning, and congrats on the results, and good timing here, given you just mentioned Indium Phosphide. That's my question. Actually, as you mentioned capacity addition. I wonder, I'm really looking for kind of magnitude and timing for that capacity addition, say, from the beginning to the end of the fiscal year. What are you targeting there? And as a quick follow-up, you know, how material are those optical devices within the overall data center unit right now, and where do you expect that to go? Thanks.
Speaker #9: And good timing here given you just mentioned Indian phosphide. question. Actually, is you That's my mentioned capacity addition. I wonder I'm really looking for kind of magnitude and timing for that capacity addition, say, from the you targeting there?
Speaker #9: And as a quick follow-up, how material are devices within the overall data center unit right now? And where do you expect that to go?
Speaker #9: Thanks. Thank
Stephen Daly: Thank you. So we're, we're not gonna really disclose the amount of capacity we're adding for competitive reasons. I can tell you that our our Indium Phosphide PD business is growing rapidly. It's primarily focused on 200 gig per lane. But we I, I don't really wanna sort of talk about the number of wafer starts or where we started the fiscal year and where we'll end the year. I will say that there's a it's a major focus to bring on capacity, and we've been doing that. So, the results of that will be reflected in the the guide in in our general comments.
Steve Daly: Thank you. So we're, we're not gonna really disclose the amount of capacity we're adding for competitive reasons. I can tell you that our our Indium Phosphide PD business is growing rapidly. It's primarily focused on 200 gig per lane. But we I, I don't really wanna sort of talk about the number of wafer starts or where we started the fiscal year and where we'll end the year. I will say that there's a it's a major focus to bring on capacity, and we've been doing that. So, the results of that will be reflected in the the guide in in our general comments.
Speaker #2: you. So we're not going to really disclose the amount of capacity we're adding for competitive our Indian phosphite PD business is growing reasons. I can tell you that rapidly.
Speaker #2: It's primarily focused on 200 gig per lane. But I don't really want to sort of or where we started the fiscal year when we'll end the year.
Speaker #2: I will say that it's a major focus to bring on capacity, and we've been doing that. And so the results of that will be reflected in the guide and our general comments. In terms of, and again, akin to that, the materiality of—don't disclose the revenue by product technology.
Stephen Daly: In terms of, and again, akin to that, the materiality of our of that business, we, you know, we really don't disclose the revenue by product line or by technology. Again, I would just highlight that we, as I just mentioned, we do have a diversity, a diversified business, and when we look at our data center revenue, today it consists of TIAs, drivers, combo chips that are basically TIAs and CDRs. We've now added photodiodes or photodetectors. The next step is to add lasers. We also have, in the back room, we're working on EML lasers, and we have various versions of that in test right now.
Steve Daly: In terms of, and again, akin to that, the materiality of our of that business, we, you know, we really don't disclose the revenue by product line or by technology. Again, I would just highlight that we, as I just mentioned, we do have a diversity, a diversified business, and when we look at our data center revenue, today it consists of TIAs, drivers, combo chips that are basically TIAs and CDRs. We've now added photodiodes or photodetectors. The next step is to add lasers. We also have, in the back room, we're working on EML lasers, and we have various versions of that in test right now.
Speaker #2: line or by Again, I would just highlight that we, as I just mentioned, we do have a diversified business and when we look at our data center revenue, today it consists of TIAs, drivers, combo chips that are basically TIAs and CDRs with now added photo diodes or photo detectors the next step is to add lasers.
Speaker #2: We're working on EML. We also have, in the back room, lasers, and we have various versions of that in test right now. So, I think you should think of our data center business as diversified by end customer, by data rate, and by product family.
Stephen Daly: So I think you should think of our data center business as diversified by end customer, by, by data rate, and by product family, both on the optical side and on the electrical side. And we, and we do recognize, as an example, there's opportunities for us on the compute side of the network, and we're investigating and designing products, for things like PCIe 6, that will also add new growth vectors.
Steve Daly: So I think you should think of our data center business as diversified by end customer, by, by data rate, and by product family, both on the optical side and on the electrical side. And we, and we do recognize, as an example, there's opportunities for us on the compute side of the network, and we're investigating and designing products, for things like PCIe 6, that will also add new growth vectors.
Speaker #2: Both on the optical side and on the electrical side. And we do, for example, there's opportunities for us on network, and we're investigating and designing products for things like PCIe 6 that will also add new growth vectors.
Speaker #1: Thank will come from the lineup. William Stein open.
Operator: Thank you. Now, our last questioner will come from the line of William Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.
Operator: Thank you. Now, our last questioner will come from the line of William Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.
Speaker #1: Now our last question
William Stein: Great. Two quick questions. First, on the LEO satellite business, can you talk about average dollar content per satellite and the duration between your rev rec and a satellite launch? Is that like a quarter or like a year? Any color there would help.
William Stein: Great. Two quick questions. First, on the LEO satellite business, can you talk about average dollar content per satellite and the duration between your rev rec and a satellite launch? Is that like a quarter or like a year? Any color there would help.
Speaker #10: the LEO satellite Great. Two quick questions. First, on business, can you talk about average dollar content per satellite and the duration between your RevRec and a satellite launch?
Speaker #10: Is that like a quarter or like a year? Any color there would help.
Stephen Daly: Sure. Well, we recognize the revenue when we ship our products to the customer. It's hardware deliverable, so that, you know, it's a hardware shipment. We don't wait for the customer to launch the satellite to take our revenue. And then in terms of the dollar content per satellite, it varies quite a bit. As I mentioned, there's a lot of variation in the construct of these satellites. Some of them have very large beam steered arrays, some of them have very complex optics, some of them have data center-centric electronics, so moving high-speed data across the bus of the satellite. Some are using linearizers to communicate back to the ground. So it would be very difficult to put a dollar value on that. So it varies quite a bit.
Steve Daly: Sure. Well, we recognize the revenue when we ship our products to the customer. It's hardware deliverable, so that, you know, it's a hardware shipment. We don't wait for the customer to launch the satellite to take our revenue. And then in terms of the dollar content per satellite, it varies quite a bit. As I mentioned, there's a lot of variation in the construct of these satellites. Some of them have very large beam steered arrays, some of them have very complex optics, some of them have data center-centric electronics, so moving high-speed data across the bus of the satellite. Some are using linearizers to communicate back to the ground. So it would be very difficult to put a dollar value on that. So it varies quite a bit.
Speaker #2: Well, we recognize the revenue
Speaker #2: when we ship our products to you.
Speaker #2: customer. It's hardware deliverable. Sure. that it's a hardware shipment. We don't wait for the customer to launch the satellite to take our revenue. And then in terms of the satellite, it varies quite a bit.
Speaker #2: of variation in the construct of the satellites. Some of them have very As I mentioned, there's a lot large beam steered arrays. Some of them have very complex optics.
Speaker #2: Some of them have data center-centric high-speed data across the bus of electronics. So moving the satellite. Some are using linearizers to communicate back to the ground.
Speaker #2: So it would be very difficult to put a dollar value on that. So it varies quite a bit. And I'll also argue we're dealing with all of that, as I mentioned earlier, major constellations in different ways.
Stephen Daly: I'll also argue that, as I mentioned earlier, we're dealing with all the major constellations in different ways. As an example, some customers wanna buy wafers from us. They wanna be a foundry customer, and we have other customers that want us to design an entire subsystem. So we have the full gamut.
Steve Daly: I'll also argue that, as I mentioned earlier, we're dealing with all the major constellations in different ways. As an example, some customers wanna buy wafers from us. They wanna be a foundry customer, and we have other customers that want us to design an entire subsystem. So we have the full gamut.
Speaker #2: As an example, some customers want to buy wafers from us. They want to be a foundry customer. And we have other customers that want us to design an entire subsystem.
Speaker #2: So we have the full
Speaker #2: gamut. Thank
William Stein: Thank you. To clarify the first part of my question, I fully understand that you rev rec when you ship, but we don't necessarily, you know, get alerts to that, whereas we do get alerts as to launches. And so I'm just trying to line up, you know, when we see a launch happen, what that relates to in terms of your revenue. Is that revenue that you would have recognized a quarter ago, a month ago, a year ago, so we can try to sort of align the parts of the market that are visible to us with your revenue generation?
William Stein: Thank you. To clarify the first part of my question, I fully understand that you rev rec when you ship, but we don't necessarily, you know, get alerts to that, whereas we do get alerts as to launches. And so I'm just trying to line up, you know, when we see a launch happen, what that relates to in terms of your revenue. Is that revenue that you would have recognized a quarter ago, a month ago, a year ago, so we can try to sort of align the parts of the market that are visible to us with your revenue generation?
Speaker #10: you. To clarify, the first part of my question, I fully understand that you RevRec when you ship, but we don't necessarily get alerts to that, whereas we do get alerts as to launches and so I'm just trying to line up when we see a launch relates to in terms would have recognized a quarter ago, a of your revenue.
Speaker #10: month ago, a year ago, so we can try to sort of align the parts of the market that are visible to us with your revenue generation?
Speaker #10: month ago, a year ago, so we can try to sort of align the parts of the market that are visible to us with your revenue Is that revenue that you
Stephen Daly: Yeah, I mean, I think those are dots that it would be difficult for us to connect here on the call. But I understand. Certainly, it's measured in many months, and beyond that, we would have to do work, and it would be very situational. Jack, did you wanna add to that?
Steve Daly: Yeah, I mean, I think those are dots that it would be difficult for us to connect here on the call. But I understand. Certainly, it's measured in many months, and beyond that, we would have to do work, and it would be very situational. Jack, did you wanna add to that?
Speaker #2: difficult for us to connect here mean, I think those are dots that it would be Certainly, it's measured in many months and on the call.
Speaker #2: difficult for us to connect here mean, I think those are dots that it would be
Speaker #2: But I understand. work and it would be very situational. Jack, did you want to add to
Speaker #2: that?
Speaker #11: Even though it would be situational, it probably wouldn't be
John Kober: Even though it would be situational, it probably wouldn't be accurate either, just based on the ebbs and flows of this end market.
Jack Kober: Even though it would be situational, it probably wouldn't be accurate either, just based on the ebbs and flows of this end market.
Speaker #11: accurate either just based on the ebbs and flows of this end market.
Speaker #10: Got it. Thank Thank
William Stein: Got it. Thank you.
William Stein: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #10: you.
Speaker #2: you.
Stephen Daly: Thank you.
Steve Daly: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you, and I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Steve Daly for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you, and I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Steve Daly for any closing remarks.
Speaker #1: Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to Mr. Stephen Daly for any closing remarks.
Speaker #2: Thank you. In closing, I would like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work and dedication. Which has made these a nice day.
Speaker #2: Thank you. In closing, I would like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work and dedication, which has made these a nice
Stephen Daly: Thank you. In closing, I would like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work and dedication, which has made these results possible. Have a nice day.
Steve Daly: Thank you. In closing, I would like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work and dedication, which has made these results possible. Have a nice day.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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