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Q4 2025 Crown Castle International Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day, and welcome to the CROWN CASTLE Quarter 4, 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero.
Kris Hinson: Thank you, Bailey, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we discuss our Q4 2025 results. With me on the call this afternoon are Chris Levendos, Crown Castle's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sunit Patel, Crown Castle's Chief Financial Officer. To aid the discussion, we have posted supplemental materials in the investor section of our website at crowncastle.com that will be referenced throughout the call. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and actual results may vary materially from those expected. Information about potential factors which could affect our results is available in the press release and the Risk Factors sections of the company's SEC filings. Our statements are made as of today, 4 February 2026, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Kris Hinson: Thank you, Bailey, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we discuss our Q4 2025 results. With me on the call this afternoon are Chris Levendos, Crown Castle's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sunit Patel, Crown Castle's Chief Financial Officer. To aid the discussion, we have posted supplemental materials in the investor section of our website at crowncastle.com that will be referenced throughout the call. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and actual results may vary materially from those expected. Information about potential factors which could affect our results is available in the press release and the Risk Factors sections of the company's SEC filings. Our statements are made as of today, 4 February 2026, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we discuss our fourth quarter 2025 results. With me on the call this afternoon are Kris Hildebrandt, CROWN CASTLE's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sunit Patel, CROWN CASTLE's Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: To aid the crowncastle.com that will be referenced throughout the call. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements, which are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and assumptions, and actual results may vary materially from those expected.
Speaker #2: discussion, we have posted supplemental materials in the
Q4 2025 Crown Castle International Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #2: Information about potential factors which could affect our results is available in the press release and the risk factor sections of the company's SEC filings.
Speaker #2: Our statements are made as of today, February 4th, 2026, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. In addition, today's call includes discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures.
Kris Hinson: In addition, today's call includes discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Tables reconciling these non-GAAP financial measures are available in the supplemental information package in the Investor section of the company's website at crowncastle.com. I would like to remind everyone that having an agreement to sell our fiber segment means that the fiber segment results are required to be reported within Crown Castle's financial statements as discontinued operations. Consistent with last quarter, the company's full year 2026 outlook and Q4 results do not include contributions from what we previously reported under the fiber segment, except as otherwise noted. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris.
Kris Hinson: In addition, today's call includes discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Tables reconciling these non-GAAP financial measures are available in the supplemental information package in the Investor section of the company's website at crowncastle.com. I would like to remind everyone that having an agreement to sell our fiber segment means that the fiber segment results are required to be reported within Crown Castle's financial statements as discontinued operations. Consistent with last quarter, the company's full year 2026 outlook and Q4 results do not include contributions from what we previously reported under the fiber segment, except as otherwise noted. With that, let me turn the call over to Chris.
Speaker #2: Tables reconciling these non-GAAP financial measures are available in the supplemental information package in the investor section of the company's website at crowncastle.com. I would like to remind everyone that having an agreement to sell our fiber segment means that the fiber segment results are required to be reported within Crown Castle's financial statements as discontinued operations.
Speaker #2: Consistent with last quarter, the company's full year 2026 outlook and fourth quarter results do not include contributions from what we previously reported under the fiber noted.
Speaker #2: segment except as otherwise With that, let me turn the call over to
Speaker #3: Thank you, Kris, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered the full year 2025 guide exceeding the midpoint across all key metrics as we focused on operational execution across our portfolio.
Chris Levendos: Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered the full year 2025 guide, exceeding the midpoint across all key metrics as we focused on operational execution across our portfolio. As we turn to 2026, we are in the middle of major changes across our business as we take several actions to position Crown Castle to maximize shareholder value. First, we remain on track to close the sale of our small cell and fiber businesses, which we anticipate will occur in the first half of 2026. We are completing the operational separation of our three businesses and executing on our transition plans. Upon the close of our small cell and fiber businesses, approximately 60% of our consolidated workforce will move with the sale as we transition to a simpler US-only tower business.
Chris Levendos: Thank you, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered the full year 2025 guide, exceeding the midpoint across all key metrics as we focused on operational execution across our portfolio. As we turn to 2026, we are in the middle of major changes across our business as we take several actions to position Crown Castle to maximize shareholder value. First, we remain on track to close the sale of our small cell and fiber businesses, which we anticipate will occur in the first half of 2026. We are completing the operational separation of our three businesses and executing on our transition plans. Upon the close of our small cell and fiber businesses, approximately 60% of our consolidated workforce will move with the sale as we transition to a simpler US-only tower business.
Speaker #3: As we turn to 2026, we are in the middle of major changes across our business as we take several actions to position Crown Castle to maximize shareholder value.
Speaker #3: First, we remain on track to close the sale of our small cell and fiber businesses, which we anticipate will occur in the first half of 2026.
Speaker #3: We are completing the operational separation of our three businesses, and executing on our transition plans. Upon the close of our small cell and fiber businesses, approximately 60% of our consolidated workforce will move with the sale as we transition to a simpler U.S.-only tower business.
Speaker #3: We have been notified that the Department of Justice has closed its Hart-Scott-Rodino review and is not requiring any action related to the transaction.
Chris Levendos: We have been notified that the Department of Justice has closed its Hart-Scott-Rodino review and is not requiring any action related to the transaction. We only have a handful of approvals remaining at the state and federal level. Second, we continue to enforce our rights under the terms of our agreement with Dish. After Dish defaulted on its payment obligations back in January, Crown Castle exercised its right to terminate the agreement. As a result, we are seeking to recover in excess of $3.5 billion from Dish in remaining payments owed under the agreement. Crown Castle was supportive of AT&T and SpaceX obtaining the announced 3.45GHz, 600MHz, AWS-4, H Block, and unpaired AWS-3 spectrum bands, which would put this valuable public resource into active use for the wireless industry and the American people.
Chris Levendos: We have been notified that the Department of Justice has closed its Hart-Scott-Rodino review and is not requiring any action related to the transaction. We only have a handful of approvals remaining at the state and federal level. Second, we continue to enforce our rights under the terms of our agreement with Dish. After Dish defaulted on its payment obligations back in January, Crown Castle exercised its right to terminate the agreement. As a result, we are seeking to recover in excess of $3.5 billion from Dish in remaining payments owed under the agreement. Crown Castle was supportive of AT&T and SpaceX obtaining the announced 3.45GHz, 600MHz, AWS-4, H Block, and unpaired AWS-3 spectrum bands, which would put this valuable public resource into active use for the wireless industry and the American people.
Speaker #3: We only have a handful of approvals remaining at the state and federal levels. Second, we continue to enforce our rights under the terms of our agreement with DISH.
Speaker #3: After DISH defaulted on its payment obligations back in January, Crown Castle exercised its right to terminate the agreement. As a result, we are seeking to recover in excess of $3.5 billion from DISH in remaining payments owed under the agreement.
Speaker #3: Crown Castle is supportive of AT&T and SpaceX obtaining the announced 3.45 gigahertz, 600 megahertz, AWS-4, H Block, and unpaired AWS-3 spectrum bands, which would put this valuable public resource into active use for the wireless industry and the American people.
Speaker #3: That said, we will continue to do everything possible to enforce our rights under our contract with DISH. Third, we are taking decisive action to maximize value for our shareholders actions.
Chris Levendos: That said, we will continue to do everything possible to enforce our rights under our contract with Dish. Third, we are taking decisive action to maximize value for our shareholders in response to Dish's actions by announcing a restructuring plan to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of our standalone US tower business following the anticipated close of our small cell and fiber business sale. Due to Dish's contractual default, we have accelerated and expanded our restructuring plan to realign staffing levels consistent with the removal of all future Dish activity. In total, we are reducing our tower and corporate workforce in continuing operations by approximately 20%, ending at about 1,250 full-time employees. In combination with other cost reductions, we expect to deliver a $65 million reduction in annualized run rate operating costs.
Chris Levendos: That said, we will continue to do everything possible to enforce our rights under our contract with Dish. Third, we are taking decisive action to maximize value for our shareholders in response to Dish's actions by announcing a restructuring plan to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of our standalone US tower business following the anticipated close of our small cell and fiber business sale. Due to Dish's contractual default, we have accelerated and expanded our restructuring plan to realign staffing levels consistent with the removal of all future Dish activity. In total, we are reducing our tower and corporate workforce in continuing operations by approximately 20%, ending at about 1,250 full-time employees. In combination with other cost reductions, we expect to deliver a $65 million reduction in annualized run rate operating costs.
Speaker #3: By announcing a restructuring plan to enhance the efficiency and effectiveness of our standalone U.S. tower business, following the anticipated close of our small cell and fiber business sale.
Speaker #3: Due to DISH's contractual default, we have accelerated and expanded our restructuring plan to realign staffing levels consistent with the removal of all future DISH activity.
Speaker #3: In total, we are reducing our tower and corporate workforce and continuing operations by approximately 20%, ending at about 1,250 full-time employees. In combination with other cost reductions, we expect to deliver a $65 million reduction in annualizing run-rate operating costs.
Speaker #3: The majority of staffing reductions will take effect in the first quarter, while the non-labor reductions will be phased in throughout the year following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale.
Chris Levendos: The majority of staffing reductions will take effect in Q1, while the non-labor reductions will be phased in throughout the year following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale. Finally, I would like to reaffirm our capital allocation framework and update our expected use of proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale. First, when we reset our dividend last year, we considered the composition and risk profile of our cash flows, and as a result, we expect to maintain our dividend per share at $4.25 on an annualized basis until reaching our targeted payout ratio of 75% to 80% of AFFO, excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent. Thereafter, we intend to grow the dividend in line with AFFO, excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent.
Chris Levendos: The majority of staffing reductions will take effect in Q1, while the non-labor reductions will be phased in throughout the year following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale. Finally, I would like to reaffirm our capital allocation framework and update our expected use of proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale. First, when we reset our dividend last year, we considered the composition and risk profile of our cash flows, and as a result, we expect to maintain our dividend per share at $4.25 on an annualized basis until reaching our targeted payout ratio of 75% to 80% of AFFO, excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent. Thereafter, we intend to grow the dividend in line with AFFO, excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent.
Speaker #3: Finally, I would like to reaffirm our capital allocation framework and update our expected use of proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale.
Speaker #3: First, when we reset our dividend last year, we considered the composition and risk profile of our cash flows and, as a result, we expect to maintain our dividend per share at $4.25 on an annualized basis until reaching our targeted payout ratio of 75 to 80% of AFFO.
Speaker #3: Excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent. Thereafter, we intend to grow the dividend in line with AFFO, excluding the impact of amortization of prepaid rent.
Speaker #3: Second, we plan to invest between $150 million and $250 million of annual net capital expenditures to add and modify our towers, to purchase land under our towers, and to invest in technology to enhance and automate our systems and processes.
Chris Levendos: Second, we plan to invest between $150 million to 250 million dollars of annual net capital expenditures to add and modify our towers, to purchase land under our towers, and to invest in technology to enhance and automate our systems and processes. Third, we plan to utilize the cash flow we generate to repurchase shares while maintaining our investment-grade credit rating. Fourth, and finally, we plan to remain at a target leverage range between 6 and 6.5 times, using the proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale. As a result, we plan to allocate approximately $1 billion to share repurchases and approximately $7 billion to repay debt.
Chris Levendos: Second, we plan to invest between $150 million to 250 million dollars of annual net capital expenditures to add and modify our towers, to purchase land under our towers, and to invest in technology to enhance and automate our systems and processes. Third, we plan to utilize the cash flow we generate to repurchase shares while maintaining our investment-grade credit rating. Fourth, and finally, we plan to remain at a target leverage range between 6 and 6.5 times, using the proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale. As a result, we plan to allocate approximately $1 billion to share repurchases and approximately $7 billion to repay debt.
Speaker #3: Third, we plan to utilize the cash flow we generate to repurchase shares while maintaining our investment-grade credit rating. Fourth, and finally, we plan to remain at a target leverage range between 6 and 6.5 times, using the proceeds from the small cell and fiber business sale.
Speaker #3: As a result, we plan to allocate approximately $1 billion to share repurchases and approximately $7 billion to repaid debt. As I look forward to a full year 2026 and beyond, I am excited by Crown Castle's opportunity as the only large publicly traded tower operator with an exclusive focus on the U.S.
Chris Levendos: As I look forward to a full year 2026 and beyond, I'm excited by Crown Castle's opportunity as the only large, publicly traded tower operator with an exclusive focus on the US. The US tower model continues to benefit from attractive business characteristics, including long-term revenues from investment-grade customers, contracted escalators, and high incremental margins. I believe that these characteristics will be supported by continued mobile data demand growth and a significant volume of spectrum being made available to motivated mobile network operators. To maximize revenue growth and profitability, we are focusing on becoming the best operator of US towers with the following strategic priorities. One, we are empowering the Crown Castle team to make the best and timely business decisions by investing in our systems to improve the quality and accessibility of asset information, and improving customer experience on cycle time and their interactions with us.
Chris Levendos: As I look forward to a full year 2026 and beyond, I'm excited by Crown Castle's opportunity as the only large, publicly traded tower operator with an exclusive focus on the US. The US tower model continues to benefit from attractive business characteristics, including long-term revenues from investment-grade customers, contracted escalators, and high incremental margins. I believe that these characteristics will be supported by continued mobile data demand growth and a significant volume of spectrum being made available to motivated mobile network operators. To maximize revenue growth and profitability, we are focusing on becoming the best operator of US towers with the following strategic priorities. One, we are empowering the Crown Castle team to make the best and timely business decisions by investing in our systems to improve the quality and accessibility of asset information, and improving customer experience on cycle time and their interactions with us.
Speaker #3: The U.S. tower model continues to benefit from attractive business characteristics, including long-term revenues from investment-grade customers, contracted escalators, and high incremental margins. I believe that these characteristics will be supported by continued mobile data demand growth and a significant volume of spectrum being made available to motivated mobile network operators.
Speaker #3: To maximize revenue growth and profitability, we are focusing on becoming the best operator of U.S. towers with the following strategic priorities. One, we are empowering the CROWN CASTLE team to make the best and timely business decisions by investing in our systems to improve the quality and accessibility of asset information and improving customer experience on cycle time and their interactions with us.
Speaker #3: Two, we are strengthening our ability to meet the business's needs by streamlining and automating processes to enhance operational effectiveness. And three, we will continue to drive efficiencies across the business.
Chris Levendos: 2, we are strengthening our ability to meet the business's needs by streamlining and automating processes to enhance operational effectiveness. And 3, we will continue to drive efficiencies across the business. We believe that these strategic priorities, combined with our disciplined capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet, will drive attractive risk-adjusted returns. With that, I'll turn it over to Sunit to walk us through the details of the quarter and our full year 2026 outlook.
Chris Levendos: 2, we are strengthening our ability to meet the business's needs by streamlining and automating processes to enhance operational effectiveness. And 3, we will continue to drive efficiencies across the business. We believe that these strategic priorities, combined with our disciplined capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet, will drive attractive risk-adjusted returns. With that, I'll turn it over to Sunit to walk us through the details of the quarter and our full year 2026 outlook.
Speaker #3: We believe that these strategic priorities combined with our disciplined capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet will drive attractive risk-adjusted returns. With that, I'll turn it over to Sunit to walk us through the details of the quarter and our full year 2026
Speaker #3: outlook. Thanks, Chris, and good
Sunit Patel: Thanks, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. Our full year 2025 results were highlighted by 4.9% organic growth, excluding the impact of Sprint churn, as our customers continue to augment their 5G networks. Due to our outperformance at organic growth, we ended the year near the high end of the guidance range for 2025 site rental revenues. The outperformance at revenues, combined with higher-than-expected services contribution, ongoing efficiency initiatives, and lower interest expense, allowed us to exceed the high end of the guidance range for 2025 Adjusted EBITDA and FFO. Turning to our 2026 outlook. At the midpoints, we are projecting site rental revenues, Adjusted EBITDA, and AFFO of $3.9 billion, $2.7 billion, and $1.9 billion, which are meaningfully impacted by the following three items.
Sunit Patel: Thanks, Chris, and good afternoon, everyone. Our full year 2025 results were highlighted by 4.9% organic growth, excluding the impact of Sprint churn, as our customers continue to augment their 5G networks. Due to our outperformance at organic growth, we ended the year near the high end of the guidance range for 2025 site rental revenues. The outperformance at revenues, combined with higher-than-expected services contribution, ongoing efficiency initiatives, and lower interest expense, allowed us to exceed the high end of the guidance range for 2025 Adjusted EBITDA and FFO. Turning to our 2026 outlook. At the midpoints, we are projecting site rental revenues, Adjusted EBITDA, and AFFO of $3.9 billion, $2.7 billion, and $1.9 billion, which are meaningfully impacted by the following three items.
Speaker #1: Afternoon, everyone. Our full-year 2025 results were highlighted by 4.9% organic growth, excluding the impact of spring churn, as our customers continue to augment their 5G networks.
Speaker #1: Due to our outperformance at organic growth, we ended the year near the high end of the guidance range for 2025 site rental revenues. The outperformance at revenues combined with higher-than-expected services contributions, ongoing efficiency, initiatives, and lower interest expense allowed us to exceed the high end of the guidance range for 2025 adjusted EBITDA and FFO.
Speaker #1: our 2026 outlook, at Turning to the midpoints, we are projecting site rental revenues adjusted EBITDA and FFO of $3.9 billion to $2.7 billion and $1.9 billion, which are meaningfully impacted by the following three items: first, due to the termination of our contract with DISH Wireless announced in January, our 2026 full-year guidance does not include any contributions from DISH resulting in $220 million of churn in full year 2026.
Sunit Patel: First, due to the termination of our contract with Dish Wireless, announced in January, our 2026 full-year guidance does not include any contributions from Dish, resulting in $220 million of churn in full year 2026. Second, for the purposes of building our full year 2026 outlook, we have assumed the small cell and fiber business sale transaction will close on 30 June. Third, as Chris mentioned, we're reducing our run rate operating costs by $65 million on an annualized basis, resulting in a $55 million impact to full year 2026 and a $10 million incremental impact to 2027 due to timing. Moving to page 5, our full year 2026 outlook includes organic growth at the midpoint of 3.3%, or $130 million, excluding the impact of Sprint cancellations and Dish terminations in 2026.
Sunit Patel: First, due to the termination of our contract with Dish Wireless, announced in January, our 2026 full-year guidance does not include any contributions from Dish, resulting in $220 million of churn in full year 2026. Second, for the purposes of building our full year 2026 outlook, we have assumed the small cell and fiber business sale transaction will close on 30 June. Third, as Chris mentioned, we're reducing our run rate operating costs by $65 million on an annualized basis, resulting in a $55 million impact to full year 2026 and a $10 million incremental impact to 2027 due to timing. Moving to page 5, our full year 2026 outlook includes organic growth at the midpoint of 3.3%, or $130 million, excluding the impact of Sprint cancellations and Dish terminations in 2026.
Speaker #1: Second, for the purposes of building our full-year 2026 outlook, we have assumed the small cell and fiber business sale transaction will close on June 30.
Speaker #1: Third, as Chris mentioned, we are reducing our run-rate operating costs by 65 million on an annualized basis resulting in a $55 million impact to full year 2026 and a $10 million incremental impact to 2027 due to timing.
Speaker #1: Moving to page five, our full year 2026 outlook includes organic growth at the midpoint of $3.3% or $130 million excluding the impact of spring cancellations and DISH terminations in 2026.
Speaker #1: Full year 2026 organic growth is expected to be $3.5% at the midpoint if DISH revenues are excluded from prior year site rental billings. This compares to $3.8% for full year 2025 on a comparable basis excluding DISH revenues from prior year.
Sunit Patel: Full year 2026 organic growth is expected to be 3.5% at the midpoint if Dish revenues are excluded from prior year site rental billings. This compares to 3.8% for full year 2025 on a comparable basis, excluding Dish revenues from prior year. We expect our 2026 organic growth guide of 3.5% growth to mark the low point. This expected growth is more than offset at site rental revenues due to the $20 million impact of Sprint cancellations, $220 million of Dish churn, and a $90 million decrease in non-cash straight-line revenues and amortization of prepaid rent. Turning to slide six. The expected $110 million decrease to site rental billings is more than offset by the following items, resulting in an anticipated $15 million increase in 2026 AFFO compared to 2025.
Sunit Patel: Full year 2026 organic growth is expected to be 3.5% at the midpoint if Dish revenues are excluded from prior year site rental billings. This compares to 3.8% for full year 2025 on a comparable basis, excluding Dish revenues from prior year. We expect our 2026 organic growth guide of 3.5% growth to mark the low point. This expected growth is more than offset at site rental revenues due to the $20 million impact of Sprint cancellations, $220 million of Dish churn, and a $90 million decrease in non-cash straight-line revenues and amortization of prepaid rent. Turning to slide six. The expected $110 million decrease to site rental billings is more than offset by the following items, resulting in an anticipated $15 million increase in 2026 AFFO compared to 2025.
Speaker #1: We expect our 2026 organic growth guide of 3.5% growth to mark the low point. This expected growth is more than offset at site rental revenues due to the $20 million impact of spring cancellations and $220 million of DISH churn, and a $90 million decrease in non-cash straight-line revenues and amortization of prepaid rent.
Speaker #1: Turning to slide six, the expected $110 million decrease to site rental billings is more than offset by the following items resulting in an anticipated $15 million increase in 2026 FFO compared to 2025.
Speaker #1: A $25 million reduction in expenses, as the staffing and other cost reductions drive $50 million of expense savings in full year 2026, partially offset by standard increases on the remaining cost base.
Sunit Patel: A $25 million reduction in expenses as the staffing and other cost reductions drive $50 million of expense savings in full year 2026, partially offset by standard increases on the remaining cost base. A $5 million increase in service contribution as service activity levels, similar to 2025, are complemented by $5 million of expense savings from the workforce reduction. A $120 million decrease in interest expense, primarily from the repayment of approximately $7 billion of about 4% interest rate debt, following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber businesses sale, partially offset by refinancing. A $25 million decrease in other items, driven primarily by a decrease in amortization of prepaid rent. Turning to page 7, we decreased our guidance for AFFO in the 12 months following close by $240 million to $2.1 billion at the midpoint.
Sunit Patel: A $25 million reduction in expenses as the staffing and other cost reductions drive $50 million of expense savings in full year 2026, partially offset by standard increases on the remaining cost base. A $5 million increase in service contribution as service activity levels, similar to 2025, are complemented by $5 million of expense savings from the workforce reduction. A $120 million decrease in interest expense, primarily from the repayment of approximately $7 billion of about 4% interest rate debt, following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber businesses sale, partially offset by refinancing. A $25 million decrease in other items, driven primarily by a decrease in amortization of prepaid rent. Turning to page 7, we decreased our guidance for AFFO in the 12 months following close by $240 million to $2.1 billion at the midpoint.
Speaker #1: A $5 million increase in service contribution as service activity levels similar to 2025 are complemented by $5 million of expense savings from the workforce reduction.
Speaker #1: in interest expense primarily from A $120 million decrease the repayment of approximately $7 billion of about 4% interest rate debt following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business cell partially offset by refinancings.
Speaker #1: A $25 million decrease in other items, driven primarily by a decrease in amortization of prepaid rent. Turning to page seven, we decreased our guidance for FFO in the 12 months following close by $240 million to $2.1 billion at the midpoint.
Speaker #1: Our original guidance of $2.34 billion at the midpoint included a $280 million contribution from DISH in the second half of 2026 and the first half of 2027, which we have removed.
Sunit Patel: Our original guidance of $2.34 billion at the midpoint included a $280 million contribution from DISH in the second half of 2026 and the first half of 2027, which we have removed. This is partially offset by a $40 million reduction in interest expense from increasing the assumed debt repayment following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale by approximately $1 billion to approximately $7 billion.
Sunit Patel: Our original guidance of $2.34 billion at the midpoint included a $280 million contribution from DISH in the second half of 2026 and the first half of 2027, which we have removed. This is partially offset by a $40 million reduction in interest expense from increasing the assumed debt repayment following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale by approximately $1 billion to approximately $7 billion.
Speaker #1: This is partially offset by a $40 million reduction in interest expense from increasing the assumed debt repayment following the anticipated close of the small cell and fiber business sale by approximately $1 billion to approximately $7 billion.
Speaker #1: Turning to page nine, the revised guide for FFO for the 12 months following the close of the small cell and fiber business, which includes a half-year of growth compared to full year 2026, is $180 million higher and consists of $120 million of interest expense savings, related to the anticipated debt repayments made with the small cell and fiber business cell proceeds, $50 million of growth in the underlying business, and $10 million of cost savings related to the 2026 reduction in force.
Sunit Patel: Turning to page 9, the revised guide for AFFO for the 12 months following the close of the small cell and fiber business, which includes a half year of growth compared to full year 2026, is $180 million higher and consists of $120 million of interest expense savings related to the anticipated debt repayments made with the small cell and fiber business sale proceeds, $50 million of growth in the underlying business, and $10 million of cost savings related to the 2026 reduction in force. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with significant liquidity and flexibility, positioning us to efficiently maintain, effectively maintain our investment grade rating after the sale of the small cell and fiber business, based on the target capital structure and capital allocation framework that Chris mentioned earlier.
Sunit Patel: Turning to page 9, the revised guide for AFFO for the 12 months following the close of the small cell and fiber business, which includes a half year of growth compared to full year 2026, is $180 million higher and consists of $120 million of interest expense savings related to the anticipated debt repayments made with the small cell and fiber business sale proceeds, $50 million of growth in the underlying business, and $10 million of cost savings related to the 2026 reduction in force. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with significant liquidity and flexibility, positioning us to efficiently maintain, effectively maintain our investment grade rating after the sale of the small cell and fiber business, based on the target capital structure and capital allocation framework that Chris mentioned earlier.
Speaker #1: Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with significant liquidity and flexibility positioning us to efficiently maintain effective our investment grade rating after the sale of the small cell and fiber business based on the target capital structure and capital allocation framework that Chris mentioned earlier.
Speaker #1: In conclusion, we're pleased with our full year 2025 results and believe we are well positioned to deliver our outlook for full year 2026 and our updated range for estimated FFO for the 12 months following the small cell and fiber business sale closing of $2.1 billion at the midpoint.
Sunit Patel: In conclusion, we're pleased with our full year 2025 results, and believe we are well positioned to deliver our outlook for full year 2026 and our updated range for estimated AFFO for the twelve months following the small cell and fiber business sale closing of $2.1 billion at the midpoint. Longer term, we're excited by the opportunity for Crown Castle, and we believe we are taking the necessary actions to become a best-in-class US tower operator. We believe our focus on operational execution, combined with our capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet, will deliver attractive long-term, risk-adjusted returns for shareholders. With that, operator, I'd like to open the line for questions.
Sunit Patel: In conclusion, we're pleased with our full year 2025 results, and believe we are well positioned to deliver our outlook for full year 2026 and our updated range for estimated AFFO for the twelve months following the small cell and fiber business sale closing of $2.1 billion at the midpoint. Longer term, we're excited by the opportunity for Crown Castle, and we believe we are taking the necessary actions to become a best-in-class US tower operator. We believe our focus on operational execution, combined with our capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet, will deliver attractive long-term, risk-adjusted returns for shareholders. With that, operator, I'd like to open the line for questions.
Speaker #1: Longer term, we're excited by the opportunity for CROWN CASTLE, and we believe we are taking the necessary actions to become a best-in-class US tower operator.
Speaker #1: We believe our focus on operational execution, combined with our capital allocation framework and investment-grade balance sheet, will deliver attractive long-term risk-adjusted returns for shareholders.
Speaker #1: With that, Operator, I'd like to open the line for
Speaker #1: questions. We will now begin the question and
Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw the question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Ric Prentiss with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
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Speaker #2: Our first question comes from Rick Prentice with Raymond James. Please go
Speaker #2: ahead. Thanks.
Ric Prentiss: Thanks, and good afternoon, everybody.
Ric Prentiss: Thanks, and good afternoon, everybody.
Speaker #3: Good afternoon,
Speaker #3: Everybody, hey. Rick, hey. I want to focus my questions wrapped around, obviously, DISH, but then also the fiber/small cell sale—a couple of quick ones, maybe you can elaborate a little bit further on.
Sunit Patel: Hey, Rick.
Sunit Patel: Hey, Ric.
Ric Prentiss: I want to focus my questions wrapped around, obviously, DISH, but then also the fiber small cell sale. A couple of quick ones, maybe you can elaborate a little bit further on. Any update on the status of working with DISH? Why terminate the agreement, and what do you get out of terminating the agreement? And then I'll have a couple other quick ones.
Ric Prentiss: I want to focus my questions wrapped around, obviously, DISH, but then also the fiber small cell sale. A couple of quick ones, maybe you can elaborate a little bit further on. Any update on the status of working with DISH? Why terminate the agreement, and what do you get out of terminating the agreement? And then I'll have a couple other quick ones.
Speaker #3: Any update on the status of working with DISH? Why terminate the agreement, and what do you get out of terminating the agreement? And then I'll have a couple of other quick ones.
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think simply spoken, why do we terminate? DISH stopped performing under the contract. Our contract was very clear with DISH, and we're enforcing it to best protect the value of the
Chris Levendos: Yeah, I, I think simply spoken, why, why do we terminate? DISH stopped performing under the contract. Our contract was very clear with DISH, and we're enforcing it the-- to best protect the value of the contract.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, I, I think simply spoken, why, why do we terminate? DISH stopped performing under the contract. Our contract was very clear with DISH, and we're enforcing it the-- to best protect the value of the contract.
Speaker #4: contract.
Speaker #3: And so terminating,
Ric Prentiss: And so, terminating, you feel, gets the best, kind of, protect the value. Obviously, we appreciate knowing what the number was, over $3.5 billion owed.
Ric Prentiss: And so, terminating, you feel, gets the best, kind of, protect the value. Obviously, we appreciate knowing what the number was, over $3.5 billion owed.
Speaker #3: You feel gets the best kind of protective value. Obviously, we appreciate knowing what the number was over three and a half.
Speaker #3: billion owed. Yeah.
Speaker #4: I mean, in the end of the day, Rick, we had a contract with DISH. DISH has chosen DISH in default. We exercised the termination rights for the agreement and can accelerate the entire obligations now.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, I mean, in the end of the day, Ric, you know, we had a contract with DISH. DISH has chosen not to honor it. With DISH in default, we exercised the termination rights for the agreement and can accelerate the entire obligations now. And this termination was because this is the remedy that was called for when a party defaults. And so, in the end, we're vigorously enforcing our rights and trying to protect our shareholders for the terms of the agreement.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, I mean, in the end of the day, Ric, you know, we had a contract with DISH. DISH has chosen not to honor it. With DISH in default, we exercised the termination rights for the agreement and can accelerate the entire obligations now. And this termination was because this is the remedy that was called for when a party defaults. And so, in the end, we're vigorously enforcing our rights and trying to protect our shareholders for the terms of the agreement.
Speaker #4: And this termination was because this is the remedy that was called for when a party defaults. And so, in the end, we're vigorously enforcing our rights and trying to protect our shareholders for the terms of the agreement.
Speaker #3: Okay. And obviously, we'll be taking the DISH stuff out of our model. Guidance looks pretty close to what we had laid out there. Appreciate all those details.
Ric Prentiss: Okay. And obviously, we had taken the DISH stuff out of our model. Guidance looks pretty close to what we had laid out there. Appreciate all those details. One piece I'm wondering on is, is there any change to the purchase price of $8.5 billion for the fiber small cell transaction? Because you're noting approximately $7 billion of debt paydown, which makes sense, given where you want to keep leverage, cut interest costs, and then stock buyback at just $1 billion. So is there any change to the fiber small cell proceeds and how you think about using what was originally $8.5 billion, it might still be?
Ric Prentiss: Okay. And obviously, we had taken the DISH stuff out of our model. Guidance looks pretty close to what we had laid out there. Appreciate all those details. One piece I'm wondering on is, is there any change to the purchase price of $8.5 billion for the fiber small cell transaction? Because you're noting approximately $7 billion of debt paydown, which makes sense, given where you want to keep leverage, cut interest costs, and then stock buyback at just $1 billion. So is there any change to the fiber small cell proceeds and how you think about using what was originally $8.5 billion, it might still be?
Speaker #3: One piece I'm wondering on is, is there any change to the purchase price of eight and a half billion for the fiber small cell transaction?
Speaker #3: Because you're noting approximately $7 billion of debt paid down, which we make sense given where you want to keep leverage, cut interest costs, and then stock buyback at just a billion.
Speaker #3: So, is there any change to the fiber small cell proceeds and how you think about using what was originally $8.5 billion, and might still be?
Speaker #4: Yeah. So, Rick, there's no change to the purchase price. Obviously, you have normal transaction costs and closing adjustments. Those sorts of things. But so we just kept it at approximately $7 billion and $1 billion pending the close of the transaction.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So, Rick, there's no change to the purchase price. Obviously, you have normal transaction costs and closing adjustments, those sorts of things. But, so we just kept it at approximately $7 billion and $1 billion, pending the close of the transaction. So no other reason other than that, there's no change to the $8.5 billion purchase price that we announced.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So, Rick, there's no change to the purchase price. Obviously, you have normal transaction costs and closing adjustments, those sorts of things. But, so we just kept it at approximately $7 billion and $1 billion, pending the close of the transaction. So no other reason other than that, there's no change to the $8.5 billion purchase price that we announced.
Speaker #4: So, no other reason other than that. There's no change to the $8.5 billion purchase price that we announced.
Speaker #3: Okay. And then as far as the timing of the buyback, obviously, this deal to close fiber small cell has been going on a long time.
Ric Prentiss: Okay. And then as far as the timing of the buyback, obviously, this deal to close fiber small cell has been going on a long time. You really couldn't say much until you got closer to the deal closing. We're into February, first half isn't that far away. Sounds like, quote, "A handful of state and federal approvals are left." How should we think about the execution then of a billion-dollar buyback? How fast could or should that be put to work?
Ric Prentiss: Okay. And then as far as the timing of the buyback, obviously, this deal to close fiber small cell has been going on a long time. You really couldn't say much until you got closer to the deal closing. We're into February, first half isn't that far away. Sounds like, quote, "A handful of state and federal approvals are left." How should we think about the execution then of a billion-dollar buyback? How fast could or should that be put to work?
Speaker #3: You really couldn't say much until you got closer to the deal closing. We're into February. First half isn't that far away. Sounds like a handful of state and federal approvals are execution, then of a billion-dollar left. How should we think about the buyback?
Speaker #3: How fast could or should that be put to work?
Sunit Patel: ... I think at this point, not knowing exactly when the transaction will close, we are thinking about that, and we'll have more specifics to share about that, you know, as we get through closing. So not much detail at this point, but we're clearly committed to making that happen.
Sunit Patel: ... I think at this point, not knowing exactly when the transaction will close, we are thinking about that, and we'll have more specifics to share about that, you know, as we get through closing. So not much detail at this point, but we're clearly committed to making that happen.
Speaker #4: I think at this point, not knowing exactly when the transaction will close, we are thinking about that, and we'll have more specifics to share about that as we get through closing.
Speaker #4: So not much detail at this point, but we're clearly committed to making that happen.
Speaker #3: And last one for me, wrapping it all together. You mentioned a handful of state and federal level approvals left. Any lessons learned from Frontier Verizon through California or other processes or where you think the long pull in the tent might be as far as getting those final handful over the finish
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Last one for me, wrapping it all together. You mentioned a handful of state and federal level approvals left. Any lessons learned from, like, Frontier, Verizon through California or other processes, or where you think the long pole in the tent might be, as far as getting those final handful over the finish line?
Ric Prentiss: Last one for me, wrapping it all together. You mentioned a handful of state and federal level approvals left. Any lessons learned from, like, Frontier, Verizon through California or other processes, or where you think the long pole in the tent might be, as far as getting those final handful over the finish line?
Speaker #3: line? Yeah.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So I think our team, together with the teams at Zayo and EQT, have made pretty solid progress. As you point out, California is always a sensitive one. I think we're adequately focused on all of those, but you know, pleased with the DOJ thing happening. But I think that yeah, we hope to get all of these worked through and still stick with the original timeline we have of closing in the first half. But in terms of lessons learned, I don't know if there are any specific lessons learned, but we do keep up with what's going on with the other transactions.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So I think our team, together with the teams at Zayo and EQT, have made pretty solid progress. As you point out, California is always a sensitive one. I think we're adequately focused on all of those, but you know, pleased with the DOJ thing happening. But I think that yeah, we hope to get all of these worked through and still stick with the original timeline we have of closing in the first half. But in terms of lessons learned, I don't know if there are any specific lessons learned, but we do keep up with what's going on with the other transactions.
Speaker #4: So I think our team together with the teams that Zayo and EQT have made pretty solid progress. As you point out, California is always sensitive one.
Speaker #4: I think we're adequately focused on all of those, but pleased with the DOJ thing happening. But I think that, yeah, we hope to get all of these worked through and still stick with the original timeline we have of closing in the first half.
Speaker #4: But in terms of lessons learned, I don't think there are any specific lessons learned, but we do keep up
Speaker #4: with what's going on with the other transactions, I
Chris Levendos: I would just say, more broadly, Ric, you know, I've been here four and a half months, and what I've seen is a steady pace of progress along that time period. Nothing has jumped out as unexpected, and I think our teams working collectively are doing a great job of threading the needle and getting all the approvals in place.
Chris Levendos: I would just say, more broadly, Ric, you know, I've been here four and a half months, and what I've seen is a steady pace of progress along that time period. Nothing has jumped out as unexpected, and I think our teams working collectively are doing a great job of threading the needle and getting all the approvals in place.
Speaker #3: would just say more broadly, Rick, I've been here four and a half months, and what I've seen is a steady pace of progress along that time period.
Speaker #3: Nothing has jumped out as unexpected. And I think our team's working collectively are doing a great job of threading the needle and getting all the approvals in
Speaker #3: place. Great.
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Great. Thanks. Appreciate it, guys. Have a good day.
Ric Prentiss: Great. Thanks. Appreciate it, guys. Have a good day.
Speaker #4: And thanks. Appreciate it, guys. Have a good day.
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Michael Rawlins with Citi. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Rollins with Citi. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Rollins with Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thanks, and good afternoon. I'm just curious if you could provide more characterization of the leasing environment, and over the last few months, as carriers have been working their budgets, some have access to more spectrum that's readily deployable in their networks.
Michael Rollins: Thanks, and good afternoon. I'm just curious if you could provide more characterization of the leasing environment. And over the last few months, as carriers have been working their budgets, you know, some have access to more spectrum that's readily deployable in their networks, have you seen a shift or change in how they're approaching, whether it's densification and colo, whether it's the amendment strategy and activity? And, can you maybe give a little bit more characterization of, you know, you mentioned, I think, in the prepared comments that that 3.5% you're expecting to be kind of the low. Maybe a little bit more detail as to what can drive that higher over the next few years. Thanks.
Michael Rollins: Thanks, and good afternoon. I'm just curious if you could provide more characterization of the leasing environment. And over the last few months, as carriers have been working their budgets, you know, some have access to more spectrum that's readily deployable in their networks, have you seen a shift or change in how they're approaching, whether it's densification and colo, whether it's the amendment strategy and activity? And, can you maybe give a little bit more characterization of, you know, you mentioned, I think, in the prepared comments that that 3.5% you're expecting to be kind of the low. Maybe a little bit more detail as to what can drive that higher over the next few years. Thanks.
Speaker #5: Have you seen a shift or change in how they're approaching whether it's densification and colo? Whether it's the amendment strategy and activity? And can you maybe give a little bit more characterization of you mentioned I think in the prepared comments that three and a half percent you're expecting to be kind of a low.
Speaker #5: Maybe a little bit more detail as to what can drive that higher. Over the next few years? Thanks.
Speaker #3: Yeah. I'll start, maybe hand over soon. So thanks, Michael. I think if you think back at where we are at this point, there's a couple of headwinds, if you will, around—it's a cyclical 5G coverage in the deployment cycle, say, a 10-year, decade-long deployment cycle, and there's been great progress made by the operators.
Chris Levendos: I'll start and maybe hand it over to Sunit. So, thanks, Michael. I think if you think back at where we are at this point, there's a couple headwinds, if you will, around it's a cyclical 5G coverage in the deployment cycle of, say, a 10-year, decade-long deployment cycle, and there's been great progress made by the operators in getting initial coverage out. You have a couple new CEOs in the MNOs in place, which are obviously coming on strong, finding their ways and talking about overall cost reductions and focus within their businesses as they revise their strategy.
Chris Levendos: I'll start and maybe hand it over to Sunit. So, thanks, Michael. I think if you think back at where we are at this point, there's a couple headwinds, if you will, around it's a cyclical 5G coverage in the deployment cycle of, say, a 10-year, decade-long deployment cycle, and there's been great progress made by the operators in getting initial coverage out. You have a couple new CEOs in the MNOs in place, which are obviously coming on strong, finding their ways and talking about overall cost reductions and focus within their businesses as they revise their strategy.
Speaker #3: And getting initial coverage out, you have a couple of new CEOs in the MNOs in place, which are obviously coming on strong, finding their ways and talking about overall cost businesses.
Speaker #3: As they revise their strategy, I think that's counterweighed by tailwinds, which were mentioned, which are all around the frequency bands that are becoming available—both in the last year, as well as the plan for the FCC to auction off at least another 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning in 2027.
Chris Levendos: I think that's counterweighed by tailwinds, which were mentioned, which are all around the frequency bands that are becoming available both in the last year, as well as the plan for the FCC to auction off at least another 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning in 2027. And the nature of the spectrum, although we don't know the exact frequencies, we see them as higher band frequencies, will naturally drive a higher densification of cell site deployment. And so we do expect that that becomes a tailwind, both for the industry and for Crown, as those plans come to fruition. So these are kind of the market dynamics that are shaping the industry right now.
Chris Levendos: I think that's counterweighed by tailwinds, which were mentioned, which are all around the frequency bands that are becoming available both in the last year, as well as the plan for the FCC to auction off at least another 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning in 2027. And the nature of the spectrum, although we don't know the exact frequencies, we see them as higher band frequencies, will naturally drive a higher densification of cell site deployment. And so we do expect that that becomes a tailwind, both for the industry and for Crown, as those plans come to fruition. So these are kind of the market dynamics that are shaping the industry right now.
Speaker #3: And the nature of the spectrum, although we don't know the exact frequencies, we see them as higher band frequencies, will naturally drive a higher densification of cell site deployment.
Speaker #3: And so we do expect that that becomes a tailwind both for the industry and for Crown as those plans come to fruition. So these are kind of the market dynamics that are shaping the industry right now.
Speaker #3: And I don't know—soon, if you want to talk specifically about 2026. But...
Chris Levendos: I don't know, Sunit, if you want to talk specifically about 2026, but.
Chris Levendos: I don't know, Sunit, if you want to talk specifically about 2026, but.
Speaker #4: Yeah. I think what I would say is just for the supporting what Chris said, I mean, we think the mobile data demand continues a pace at pretty healthy growth rates as we talked about last quarter.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I think what I would say is just further supporting what Chris said. I mean, we think the mobile data demand continues apace at pretty healthy terms, pretty healthy growth rates, as we talked about last quarter. All the three major MNOs have acquired spectrum in the last year. The FCC is auctioning 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning next year. And then when we look at our leasing activity, from a, you know, current leasing activity gives us, you know, some visibility into future activity. So when you put all that together, yeah, we think that the 3.5% is a low point for us, and we should do better from there.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I think what I would say is just further supporting what Chris said. I mean, we think the mobile data demand continues apace at pretty healthy terms, pretty healthy growth rates, as we talked about last quarter. All the three major MNOs have acquired spectrum in the last year. The FCC is auctioning 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning next year. And then when we look at our leasing activity, from a, you know, current leasing activity gives us, you know, some visibility into future activity. So when you put all that together, yeah, we think that the 3.5% is a low point for us, and we should do better from there.
Speaker #4: All the three major MNOs have acquired spectrum in the last year. The FCC is auctioning 800 megahertz of spectrum beginning next year. And then when we look at our leasing activity, from a current leasing activity gives us some visibility into future activity.
Speaker #4: So when you put all that together, yeah, we think that the three and a half percent is a low point for us, and we should do better.
Speaker #4: From there. And then the other point to mention also is if you were to look at our other billings, both in terms of the guide this year and last year, it's about a $10 million swing.
Sunit Patel: Then the other point to mention also is if you were to look at our other billings both in terms of the guide this year and last year, it's about a $10 million swing. If you adjust for that, I think that the growth levels are about the same last year, this year. So as we look forward, we think this should mark a low point, and we should do better.
Sunit Patel: Then the other point to mention also is if you were to look at our other billings both in terms of the guide this year and last year, it's about a $10 million swing. If you adjust for that, I think that the growth levels are about the same last year, this year. So as we look forward, we think this should mark a low point, and we should do better.
Speaker #4: If you adjust for that, I think that the growth levels are about the same last year, this year. So as we look forward, we think this should mark a low point, and we should do better.
Speaker #5: Thank
Speaker #5: you. Our next question comes from
Michael Rollins: Thank you.
Michael Rollins: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Hi, this is Josh on for Jim. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you help us bridge the 2026 leasing outlook versus what you reported in '25?
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Hi, this is Josh on for Jim. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you help us bridge the 2026 leasing outlook versus what you reported in 2025? We know Dish was 0 revenue a few years ago and has stepped up, but what's the best way to think about how much they've been contributing on an annual basis, so we can see what's happening kind of underlying with the carriers? And then similar to that, if we look at 2019 and 2020, before 5G deployments and before Dish and before Sprint, T-Mobile integration work, your leasing activity, your leasing was about $100 to $125 million. Can you help us think about what's changed or the moving parts to get from then to now? Thanks.
Jim Schneider: Hi, this is Josh on for Jim. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you help us bridge the 2026 leasing outlook versus what you reported in 2025? We know Dish was 0 revenue a few years ago and has stepped up, but what's the best way to think about how much they've been contributing on an annual basis, so we can see what's happening kind of underlying with the carriers? And then similar to that, if we look at 2019 and 2020, before 5G deployments and before Dish and before Sprint, T-Mobile integration work, your leasing activity, your leasing was about $100 to $125 million. Can you help us think about what's changed or the moving parts to get from then to now? Thanks.
Speaker #6: We know DISH was zero revenue a few years ago and has stepped up, but what's the best way to think about how much they've been contributing on an annual basis so we can see what's happening, kind of, underlying with the carriers?
Speaker #6: And then, similar to that, if we look at 2019 and 2020, before 5G deployments and before DISH and before Sprint-T-Mobile integration work, your activity, your new leasing, was about $100 to $125 million.
Speaker #6: Can you help us think about what’s changed, or the moving parts, to get there? Thanks.
Speaker #6: from then to now?
Sunit Patel: ... Yeah, let me handle the DISH contribution. So I mean, as you can see, last year, organic growth was 4.9% on a comparable growth, excluding DISH, in both periods is 3.8%. When you look at that difference, I think what it says is that DISH contributed about $50 million roughly to organic growth in 2025. And as we said previously, this was all contractual, not, not really activity driven, including what was expected for this year. And then on your other comment, I mean, when you, when you look back at the 5G cycle, I mean, I think that T-Mobile, at one point while they were concluding the Sprint T-Mobile merger, which was closed in April of 2020, there was a pretty aggressive deployment of 5G.
Sunit Patel: ... Yeah, let me handle the DISH contribution. So I mean, as you can see, last year, organic growth was 4.9% on a comparable growth, excluding DISH, in both periods is 3.8%. When you look at that difference, I think what it says is that DISH contributed about $50 million roughly to organic growth in 2025. And as we said previously, this was all contractual, not, not really activity driven, including what was expected for this year. And then on your other comment, I mean, when you, when you look back at the 5G cycle, I mean, I think that T-Mobile, at one point while they were concluding the Sprint T-Mobile merger, which was closed in April of 2020, there was a pretty aggressive deployment of 5G.
Speaker #4: Yeah. Let me handle
Speaker #4: The DISH contribution—so, I mean, you can see last year, organic growth was 4.9%. On a comparable growth, excluding DISH in both periods, it's 3.8%.
Speaker #4: When you look at that difference, I think what it says is that DISH contributed about $50 million roughly to organic growth in all contractual, not really activity-driven.
Speaker #4: Including what was expected for this year. And then on your other comment, I mean, when you look back at the 5G cycle, I mean, I think that T-Mobile upon a while they were concluding the Sprint T-Mobile merger, which was closed in April of 2020, there was a pretty aggressive deployment of 5G.
Speaker #4: So, when we always see people, whether it's densification, amendments, that activity continues. So, I don't have the exact numbers for back then, but I think it's comparable to what we were seeing back.
Sunit Patel: So when you look beyond that late in the cycle, you know, we always, we always see people, you know, whether it's densification, amendments, that, that activity, continues. So, don't have the exact numbers from back then, but I think it's comparable to, to what we were seeing back then.
Sunit Patel: So when you look beyond that late in the cycle, you know, we always, we always see people, you know, whether it's densification, amendments, that, that activity, continues. So, don't have the exact numbers from back then, but I think it's comparable to, to what we were seeing back then.
Speaker #4: then. Got it.
Chris Levendos: Got it. Understand. Thank you.
Jim Schneider: Got it. Understand. Thank you.
Speaker #6: Understand. Thank
Speaker #6: you.
Speaker #2: Our next
Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Funk with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Michael Funk with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: The next question comes from Michael Funk with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: ahead. Yeah.
Michael Funk: Yeah, thank you for taking the question. So you have a multipronged approach with DISH. Obviously, you've sued under your rights for the termination, presumably lobbying the FCC and then, you know, also through the court. So can you update us on the process and expected timing around the different approaches you're pursuing?
Michael Funk: Yeah, thank you for taking the question. So you have a multipronged approach with DISH. Obviously, you've sued under your rights for the termination, presumably lobbying the FCC and then, you know, also through the court. So can you update us on the process and expected timing around the different approaches you're pursuing?
Speaker #3: Thank you for taking the question. So you have a multi-prong approach with DISH. Obviously, you've sued under your rights for the termination presumably lobbying the FCC and then also through the court.
Speaker #3: So, can you update us on the process and expected timing around the different approaches that you're
Speaker #3: pursuing? I
Speaker #4: mean, I don't think we want to go into the specifics about our legal strategy and the timing of that. I think if we kind of take a step back and say a recap, we've taken steps, we've filed suit, again, DISH.
Chris Levendos: I mean, I don't think we want to go into the specifics about our legal strategy and the timing of that. I think, you know, if we kind of take a step back and say and recap, we've taken steps. We've, we filed suit against DISH. We have, as an industry, under the auspices of WIA, gone in to meet with the FCC, a commissioner, to kind of make our case of why we believe that DISH should be obligated to pay for its bills. And we continue to take a number of steps, which I won't list here in details, but include all manner of activities, as Crown specifically to be aggressive in defending, you know, our shareholder interests.
Chris Levendos: I mean, I don't think we want to go into the specifics about our legal strategy and the timing of that. I think, you know, if we kind of take a step back and say and recap, we've taken steps. We've, we filed suit against DISH. We have, as an industry, under the auspices of WIA, gone in to meet with the FCC, a commissioner, to kind of make our case of why we believe that DISH should be obligated to pay for its bills. And we continue to take a number of steps, which I won't list here in details, but include all manner of activities, as Crown specifically to be aggressive in defending, you know, our shareholder interests.
Speaker #4: We have, as an industry, under the auspices of WIA, gone in to meet with the of make our case of why we believe that DISH should be obligated to pay for its bills.
Speaker #4: And we continue to take a number of steps which I, as FCC Commissioner, to kind of won't list here in detail, but include all manner of activities as Crown specifically to be aggressive in defending our shareholder interests.
Chris Levendos: You know, this, unfortunately, with the courts working its way through, you know, this could be anywhere from a year or longer until we start to see things back from the courts, and therefore, it won't be something that we'll be updating you in the short term, but we will continue to drive and defend our position against the actions that DISH has taken.
Chris Levendos: You know, this, unfortunately, with the courts working its way through, you know, this could be anywhere from a year or longer until we start to see things back from the courts, and therefore, it won't be something that we'll be updating you in the short term, but we will continue to drive and defend our position against the actions that DISH has taken.
Speaker #4: This, unfortunately, with the courts working its way through, this could be anywhere from a year or longer until we start to see things back from the courts.
Speaker #4: And therefore, it won't be something that will be updating you in the short term, but we will continue to drive and defend our position against the actions that DISH has taken.
Speaker #3: Great. Thank you for that.
Michael Funk: Great. Thank you for that.
Michael Funk: Great. Thank you for that.
Speaker #2: Our next question comes from Eric Lubchow with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Eric Luebchow with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Eric Luebchow with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Eric Luebchow: Great. I just wanted to follow up on one of the questions earlier. I think, Sunit, you talked about how organic growth this year, you expect it to, you know, improve somewhat in 2027 and beyond. Maybe you could just talk through, you know, what gives you confidence there, whether that's, you know, anything you're seeing from a densification standpoint on new billings, whether there's, you know, ways to drive steady state churn down, particularly now that you'll just have three, you know, well-capitalized large carriers comprising the majority of revenue. Anything you could offer there would be helpful.
Speaker #3: Great. I just wanted to follow up on one of the questions
Eric Luebchow: Great. I just wanted to follow up on one of the questions earlier. I think, Sunit, you talked about how organic growth this year, you expect it to, you know, improve somewhat in 2027 and beyond. Maybe you could just talk through, you know, what gives you confidence there, whether that's, you know, anything you're seeing from a densification standpoint on new billings, whether there's, you know, ways to drive steady state churn down, particularly now that you'll just have three, you know, well-capitalized large carriers comprising the majority of revenue. Anything you could offer there would be helpful.
Speaker #1: Earlier , I about you talked how growth this organic , you year to think expect it improve somewhat . In 20 , improve in 27 and beyond .
Speaker #1: could just talk And through what gives you confidence there , whether somewhat anything you're seeing from a diversification standpoint that's on new whether there's , ways to drive state steady down , churn maybe you , particularly you'll just have three well-capitalized , large carriers comprising revenue .
Speaker #1: majority of the Anything you could offer there would be helpful . Well .
Sunit Patel: Well, with respect to churn, I don't think we see much change in the churn outlook we've provided previously, but I think, in terms of specific, as we said earlier, we do have some visibility into leasing activity. So that's helpful, you know, as we look at next year. But I think if you look at comments made by our clients so far, I mean, they bought more spectrum. They're gonna deploy most... They want to deploy more spectrum. The data demand growth cycles continue. So, you know, we think we'll do better than where we are here.
Sunit Patel: Well, with respect to churn, I don't think we see much change in the churn outlook we've provided previously, but I think, in terms of specific, as we said earlier, we do have some visibility into leasing activity. So that's helpful, you know, as we look at next year. But I think if you look at comments made by our clients so far, I mean, they bought more spectrum. They're gonna deploy most... They want to deploy more spectrum. The data demand growth cycles continue. So, you know, we think we'll do better than where we are here.
Speaker #2: With respect to churn , I don't think we see change much in the churn We've provided previously , but I think in terms of specific as we said as earlier , we did have the outlook .
Speaker #2: we the some do have visibility into leasing activity . So that's helpful as we as we look at , as we look at next year .
Speaker #2: But think at comments I made by if you look our clients so far , I mean , they bought more spectrum . They got to deploy most .
Speaker #2: They want to deploy more spectrum . demand growth cycles continue . we So so you know , we think we think we'll we'll we'll than are here .
Sunit Patel: If you look at our performance last couple of years, it's been a little better on the margin, so that's why we think this is a low point for us.
Sunit Patel: If you look at our performance last couple of years, it's been a little better on the margin, so that's why we think this is a low point for us.
Speaker #2: If you look at performance over our last couple of years, it's been a little better on the margin. This is a low point for us, but we know we can do better than where we are.
Chris Levendos: And specifically, I think we have a good view into our contract and leasing activity from our MLAs, gives us pretty good, pretty good visibility into the future activity levels, which is why we're able to say that.
Chris Levendos: And specifically, I think we have a good view into our contract and leasing activity from our MLAs, gives us pretty good, pretty good visibility into the future activity levels, which is why we're able to say that.
Speaker #3: And have a good specifically , I view contracted leasing activity our from our MLS . Gives us think we pretty good , pretty good visibility into the future .
Speaker #3: Activity levels , which is why we're able to say that .
Eric Luebchow: Great, appreciate that. And then just one follow-up. I know you talked about reducing, I believe, 20% of your operating expenses. Maybe you could just talk about, you know, the flow-through between SG&A and gross margin, kind of where we're going to see the biggest impact there, and any kind of indication on, you know, where you can get cash SG&A down to the next couple of years as you go through this cost restructuring.
Eric Luebchow: Great, appreciate that. And then just one follow-up. I know you talked about reducing, I believe, 20% of your operating expenses. Maybe you could just talk about, you know, the flow-through between SG&A and gross margin, kind of where we're going to see the biggest impact there, and any kind of indication on, you know, where you can get cash SG&A down to the next couple of years as you go through this cost restructuring.
Speaker #1: Great , appreciate that . And then just one I follow up . talked about know you reducing , I believe , 20% of your operating expenses .
Speaker #1: Maybe you could just talk about the flow between G and A and gross margin , kind of where we're through going to see impact there .
Speaker #1: the biggest And indication any kind of where you can on get to the next couple of years go as you through cost restructuring
Speaker #1: the biggest And indication any kind of where you can on get to the next couple of years go as you through cost restructuring .
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So I mean, we talked about $65 million or run rate, operating cost savings. So in year, we'll see $55 million. Most of that is through the SG&A line. So, you know, of that fifty-five, forty-five roughly will hit the SG&A line, and then, five million will come in site rental cost of sales and about five million on the services side. And then from a run rate perspective for those same items, which adds to $65 million, it's about $50 million from the SG&A side, $5 million from the site rental cost of sales, and $10 million from the services, cost of sales. That's why I said it'd be, you know, the sixty-five, we'll see fifty-five in year, and then incremental $10 million next year. So those are the components.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So I mean, we talked about $65 million or run rate, operating cost savings. So in year, we'll see $55 million. Most of that is through the SG&A line. So, you know, of that fifty-five, forty-five roughly will hit the SG&A line, and then, five million will come in site rental cost of sales and about five million on the services side. And then from a run rate perspective for those same items, which adds to $65 million, it's about $50 million from the SG&A side, $5 million from the site rental cost of sales, and $10 million from the services, cost of sales. That's why I said it'd be, you know, the sixty-five, we'll see fifty-five in year, and then incremental $10 million next year. So those are the components.
Speaker #2: we So , talked Yeah . 65 million of run rate operating savings . year we'll about in a see 55 million . Most of that is cost line .
Speaker #2: you So that will hit the SG&A 5545 roughly And line . then in site rental cost of sales . And about 5 million will come 5 million on the side services .
Speaker #2: from a And then run rate perspective for those same items , which adds to 65 million , it's about 50 million from the SG&A side , 5 million from the site rental cost of sales and 10 million from the services cost of sales .
Speaker #2: That's why I said it be , would you know , the 65 , we'll see 55 in And year . then incremental 10 million next those are the So year .
Chris Levendos: I mean, I think the reality is, we've started to size up the opportunity longer term. But wanna remind everybody, this is a year of transition for our company. You know, we're executing the sale agreement, we're managing through Dish, we're putting a reorganization of the go-forward team in place. And so while we're focused on working to become the best-in-class operator and updating systems and improving operational effectiveness by streamlining and automating processes and tools, it's gonna take a while. So we accelerated our activity now as a response to the current situation with Dish.
Chris Levendos: I mean, I think the reality is, we've started to size up the opportunity longer term. But wanna remind everybody, this is a year of transition for our company. You know, we're executing the sale agreement, we're managing through Dish, we're putting a reorganization of the go-forward team in place. And so while we're focused on working to become the best-in-class operator and updating systems and improving operational effectiveness by streamlining and automating processes and tools, it's gonna take a while. So we accelerated our activity now as a response to the current situation with Dish.
Speaker #2: components .
Speaker #3: mean , I I think reality the is we've started to size up the opportunity longer term . But want to remind everybody this is this transition for our You know , we're company .
Speaker #3: executing the sale agreement . We're managing through Dish . We're putting a of the reorganization go forward team in place . And so focused on working to become a best operator and updating in class improving systems and operational effectiveness by streamlining and automating processes and tools , it's take a going to while .
Speaker #3: So we accelerated our activity . as a to the current situation with Dish . we And response have we have good we're going ideas of where to go .
Chris Levendos: We have good ideas of where we're gonna go, but I think we'll have to guide in the future as we make progress, as we really need to focus in on execution, given all that's coming at us this year. This is really a plan of execution for Crown as we become a standalone US-focused tower company.
Chris Levendos: We have good ideas of where we're gonna go, but I think we'll have to guide in the future as we make progress, as we really need to focus in on execution, given all that's coming at us this year. This is really a plan of execution for Crown as we become a standalone US-focused tower company.
Speaker #3: to guide But I think future as we'll have we make progress , as we need to really on execution focus in . Given given all that's coming at us this year , this in the really a plan of of execution for Crown as we become a standalone , US focused company
Nick Del Deo: All right, thanks, guys.
Eric Luebchow: All right, thanks, guys.
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Operator: Our next question comes from Richard Choe with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Richard Choe with J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Richard Cho with JP Morgan . Please go ahead
Richard Choe: Hi, I wanted to follow up on the discretionary CapEx and the augmentation of the $150 to 250 million. As you deploy that, how will that contribute to, I guess, new leasing revenue? Do you expect to see some of that this year, or is it more for future years, and where could that go over time?
Richard Choe: Hi, I wanted to follow up on the discretionary CapEx and the augmentation of the $150 to 250 million. As you deploy that, how will that contribute to, I guess, new leasing revenue? Do you expect to see some of that this year, or is it more for future years, and where could that go over time?
Speaker #5: I wanted
Speaker #5: up on to follow discretionary CapEx . and the augmentation Hi . . The 150 to 250 million , as deploy that , how will that to , I guess , new leasing contribute revenue ?
Speaker #5: Do you expect to see some of that this year, or is it more for the future? Could we go over that time?
Sunit Patel: Yeah, so I think some of that, we have the opportunity to do ground lease buyouts, which I think benefits our cash flows going forward. Some of it is for new tower builds. We see opportunities for that. So those, and then the third component would be investments in systems and platforms, which should drive, you know, better operating effectiveness and efficiency going forward.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, so I think some of that, we have the opportunity to do ground lease buyouts, which I think benefits our cash flows going forward. Some of it is for new tower builds. We see opportunities for that. So those, and then the third component would be investments in systems and platforms, which should drive, you know, better operating effectiveness and efficiency going forward.
Speaker #2: Yeah . So I think that had the opportunity to ground do lease we buyouts , think benefits our cash flows going some of forward .
Speaker #2: Some of is for it new builds tower . We see opportunities for So those and then and the third component would be investments in systems .
Speaker #2: And platforms which which you drive better you know operating forward going and efficiency
Speaker #2: And platforms which which you drive better you know operating forward going and efficiency effectiveness
Richard Choe: As we look forward, what's the willingness for Crown to do more MLAs, and is it something the carriers still want, or are we moving more to a pay-as-you-go type of method over the next few years?
Richard Choe: As we look forward, what's the willingness for Crown to do more MLAs, and is it something the carriers still want, or are we moving more to a pay-as-you-go type of method over the next few years?
Speaker #5: forward as we look And
Speaker #5: willingness what's the Crown to for do . more MLAs . And is it something carriers the still want or are we moving more to a pay as you go type of method over the next few years ?
Sunit Patel: I mean, I don't think we've seen any change there. We've generally operated with MLAs with our clients. You obviously go through various phases here and there, but that's been our general approach.
Sunit Patel: I mean, I don't think we've seen any change there. We've generally operated with MLAs with our clients. You obviously go through various phases here and there, but that's been our general approach.
Speaker #2: I think we've seen any change there . We've operated with generally the with our MLS , You obviously go mean , I don't through clients .
Speaker #2: and there , phases here various that's been a general .
Chris Levendos: In general, I would say that operators prefer having the certainty of understanding an operating agreement and being able to anticipate cost, and therefore, it's something that I think the industry as a whole prefers, along with the customers.
Chris Levendos: In general, I would say that operators prefer having the certainty of understanding an operating agreement and being able to anticipate cost, and therefore, it's something that I think the industry as a whole prefers, along with the customers.
Speaker #3: general . I would say that In operators having the of understanding and prefer operating agreement and being able to anticipate and
Speaker #3: something that cost it's as a whole therefore industry prefers , along with the customers .
Richard Choe: Thank you.
Richard Choe: Thank you.
Speaker #5: you Thank .
Operator: Our next question comes from Nick Del Deo with MoffettNathanson. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Nick Del Deo with MoffettNathanson. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: question comes Our next Nick from Delgadillo with Moffett . .
Nick Del Deo: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First, Sunit, just a moment ago, you alluded to new tower builds, you know, as a use of CapEx and seeing opportunities. I know that Crown has done a lot from a new build perspective, at least in a material way, for a number of years. Are you able to dimension, you know, the number of new builds you're targeting, or, you know, at least how it's changed versus recent years, or any attributes of the towers you're looking at, like initial yields?
Nick Del Deo: Hey, thanks for taking my questions. First, Sunit, just a moment ago, you alluded to new tower builds, you know, as a use of CapEx and seeing opportunities. I know that Crown has done a lot from a new build perspective, at least in a material way, for a number of years. Are you able to dimension, you know, the number of new builds you're targeting, or, you know, at least how it's changed versus recent years, or any attributes of the towers you're looking at, like initial yields?
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Speaker #6: thanks for taking . First , just a moment ago , you my to new tower approach builds . You know , as a use of CapEx seeing
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Speaker #6: new build perspective , at least in a material for a number of years . way , Are you able to you and number of new builds you're opportunities .
Speaker #6: targeting or , you know at least how it's changed versus recent any years or attributes of the towers you're looking initial at , like .
Sunit Patel: Yeah, tough to quantify it at this point. I mean, our key criteria is, have the capital, willing to do it if it makes economic sense. We do know that as data demands are growing, people have needs in various areas. One key example of this, I think, just in general, is you've seen recently Verizon close the Frontier deal, AT&T close the Lumen deal, is a big move towards convergence. So when you think about the geographies of where Frontier operates or where, you know, the Lumen properties are, we think there'll be opportunities as they look to provide a converged offering, which means they'll need both wireless coverage, including fiber to the home. So, you know, that's just one example of an area where there might be opportunities in the others.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, tough to quantify it at this point. I mean, our key criteria is, have the capital, willing to do it if it makes economic sense. We do know that as data demands are growing, people have needs in various areas. One key example of this, I think, just in general, is you've seen recently Verizon close the Frontier deal, AT&T close the Lumen deal, is a big move towards convergence. So when you think about the geographies of where Frontier operates or where, you know, the Lumen properties are, we think there'll be opportunities as they look to provide a converged offering, which means they'll need both wireless coverage, including fiber to the home. So, you know, that's just one example of an area where there might be opportunities in the others.
Speaker #2: Yeah to quantify it at , tough this point . our key I mean , criteria is have the capital willing it if it makes to do economic do .
Speaker #2: We know that as data demands are growing , people have needs in various areas . One one key example of think just this , I in general is you've seen recently Verizon closed the frontier deal .
Speaker #2: We know that as data demands are growing , people have needs in various areas . One one key example of think just this , I in general is you've seen recently Verizon closed the frontier
Speaker #2: grows the lumen deal . There's a big towards when you think about convergence . So of the where frontier operates or where geographies you know , yields the properties , we think there'll are opportunities as they look to provide a converged offering , which means they'll need wireless coverage , including fiber , know , So , you that's just to the home .
Speaker #2: an area where there might be opportunities in the others . for a tough to this point So in time . Nick . you at But it's just I think quantify we're willing to look at that when it makes economic sense .
Sunit Patel: So tough to quantify, for you at this point in time, Nick, but I think it's just saying, we're willing to look at that when it makes economic sense.
Sunit Patel: So tough to quantify, for you at this point in time, Nick, but I think it's just saying, we're willing to look at that when it makes economic sense.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, maybe to build on that. One is we've said we're gonna be very selective and really only pursue opportunities that have those attractive economics that Sunit mentioned. But more importantly, if you look at the dynamics of the industry, one of the things that's happened since COVID is the price to build a new tower has gone up considerably. And so, it has a headwind for the industry in terms of build overall, in terms of the business case that you have to have. And oftentimes, in the past you would build a single carrier tower and hope to get additional co-locators, that's become increasingly difficult.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, maybe to build on that. One is we've said we're gonna be very selective and really only pursue opportunities that have those attractive economics that Sunit mentioned. But more importantly, if you look at the dynamics of the industry, one of the things that's happened since COVID is the price to build a new tower has gone up considerably. And so, it has a headwind for the industry in terms of build overall, in terms of the business case that you have to have. And oftentimes, in the past you would build a single carrier tower and hope to get additional co-locators, that's become increasingly difficult.
Speaker #3: Yeah . Maybe that one .
Speaker #3: industry , one of the things that's happened since Covid is to build a new tower has gone very And so the price it considerably .
Speaker #3: industry in build overall that have , in terms of the business case that you have to have oftentimes if and in the would past you a carrier tower and hope to get additional co-location , that's become difficult .
Speaker #3: industry in build overall that have , in terms of the business case that you have to have oftentimes if and in the would past you a carrier tower and hope to get additional co-location , that's become increasingly for us , although volume is not high , it's And so typically we will focus in on those towers a our two customers committed .
Chris Levendos: And so for us, although our volume is not high, it is typically we will focus in on those towers where we have a minimum of two customers committed, so that we know that the economics make sense and the return profiles are correct. And it's something that, you know, if you look back historically over the last 10 years, and I know because I've worked both in the disruptive part of the tower industry and now here as a leader of the Big Three, is that traditionally, MNOs haven't always looked for the Big Three tower companies to provide those new tower builds.
Chris Levendos: And so for us, although our volume is not high, it is typically we will focus in on those towers where we have a minimum of two customers committed, so that we know that the economics make sense and the return profiles are correct. And it's something that, you know, if you look back historically over the last 10 years, and I know because I've worked both in the disruptive part of the tower industry and now here as a leader of the Big Three, is that traditionally, MNOs haven't always looked for the Big Three tower companies to provide those new tower builds.
Speaker #3: So that we know that the economics And the return profiles are correct . And it's something that , if you know , you look back historically over the last ten years .
Speaker #3: For the big three tower companies, to new tower—but that's starting to change. And it builds ease of doing business with, and having strategic partnerships with, tower companies like Crown.
Chris Levendos: But that's starting to change, and the conversations we're having with customers are that they would like a one-stop shop, based on ease of doing business with and strategic partnerships with tower companies like Crown. And so we think there's an opportunity there. We're sizing that up, we're exploring it, but we will be incredibly disciplined in the go forward because that CapEx spend has to be with the right return before we move forward in any kind of scale in this part of the industry. Okay, okay. That's great color. Thanks for sharing all that. Can I ask one about the 26 leasing forecast?
Chris Levendos: But that's starting to change, and the conversations we're having with customers are that they would like a one-stop shop, based on ease of doing business with and strategic partnerships with tower companies like Crown. And so we think there's an opportunity there. We're sizing that up, we're exploring it, but we will be incredibly disciplined in the go forward because that CapEx spend has to be with the right return before we move forward in any kind of scale in this part of the industry. Okay, okay. That's great color. Thanks for sharing all that. Can I ask one about the 26 leasing forecast?
Speaker #3: So we think there's an opportunity there. We're sizing that up, exploring it, but we will be incredibly disciplined in that, because any CapEx we spend has to come with the right return before we move forward at any kind of scale.
Speaker #3: In the this part of
Speaker #6: okay . That's
Speaker #6: I have a question about the forecast, I guess. Can you share anything about the 2026 leasing—how much of the amount you're budgeting for is locked in to a degree, whether due to MLA commitments or because you have leases that are already signed, versus activity that you have yet to sign?
Speaker #6: I ask one about the the forecast ? I guess . Can you share anything about the 26 leasing which the amount you're budgeting for is locked in degree to , whether due to MLA commitments or because you have leases that are already signed go
Chris Levendos: I guess, can you share anything about the degree to which the amount you're budgeting for is locked in, you know, whether due to MLA commitments or because you have leases that are already signed versus activity that you've estimated?
Chris Levendos: I guess, can you share anything about the degree to which the amount you're budgeting for is locked in, you know, whether due to MLA commitments or because you have leases that are already signed versus activity that you've estimated?
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I think at this point, about 80% of our organic growth is contracted.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I think at this point, about 80% of our organic growth is contracted.
Speaker #2: about organic growth 80% of our contracted is .
Chris Levendos: Okay, great. Thank you both.
Chris Levendos: Okay, great. Thank you both.
Speaker #6: . Great . Okay both estimated . Thank you
Sunit Patel: Yep.
Sunit Patel: Yep.
Operator: Our next question comes from Brandon Nispel with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Brandon Nispel with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Knispel with KeyBanc Capital Please go ahead Markets .
Brandon Nispel: Hey, guys. Two questions, pretty similar. On the leasing, core leasing numbers, the $65 million, is that weighted more first half, second half this year? And really, is it concentrated in any one of the big three customers or more evenly split? And then, I'm not sure I heard it, but post the fiber transaction, have your thoughts around what you want your financial leverage to be changed, just given the leasing levels are quite a bit lower than when you initially announced the transaction? Thanks.
Brandon Nispel: Hey, guys. Two questions, pretty similar. On the leasing, core leasing numbers, the $65 million, is that weighted more first half, second half this year? And really, is it concentrated in any one of the big three customers or more evenly split? And then, I'm not sure I heard it, but post the fiber transaction, have your thoughts around what you want your financial leverage to be changed, just given the leasing levels are quite a bit lower than when you initially announced the transaction? Thanks.
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Speaker #8: guys . Hey , Two questions . Pretty similar the leasing on or leasing number . Yeah , I weighted 65 million . Is that more first half .
Speaker #8: Second half . year . And This The really is it concentrated in any one of the big three customers evenly split . And more then or not sure I heard it , but post the fiber transaction .
Speaker #8: Have you thoughts what you want your financial leverage to given leasing are quite a just levels be than when the you the announced transaction .
Speaker #8: initially Thanks .
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I mean, as we said, our framework hasn't changed in terms of our capital allocation, so we still look to keep our leverage in that 6 to 6.5 range that we've announced last March, I think. So no change there per se. And in terms of leasing activity, I think it'll be a little more weighted towards the back half.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I mean, as we said, our framework hasn't changed in terms of our capital allocation, so we still look to keep our leverage in that 6 to 6.5 range that we've announced last March, I think. So no change there per se. And in terms of leasing activity, I think it'll be a little more weighted towards the back half.
Speaker #2: as we Yeah . I mean , our framework terms of our capital said , So we're still look to keep in leverage in that 6 to 6 and a half range we've changed that March .
Speaker #2: as we Yeah . I mean , our framework terms of our capital said , So we're still look to keep in leverage in that 6 to 6 and a half range we've changed allocation . no announced no no change there So .
Speaker #2: as we Yeah . I mean , our framework terms of our capital said , So we're still look to keep in leverage in that 6 to 6 and a half range we've changed allocation .
Speaker #2: And in terms of hasn't leasing activity , I So think it'll be a little more towards weighted the back half .
Brandon Nispel: Thank you.
Brandon Nispel: Thank you.
Speaker #8: you Thank .
Operator: Our next question comes from Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Our next question comes from Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Brendan Lynch: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start on a longer term outlook, appreciate that the 3.5% is kind of the trough here in 2026, but you've previously guided to a 5% growth through 2027. Obviously, with Dish, that probably doesn't seem achievable at this point, but maybe you could give some color on what the longer term growth rate might be, either out through 2027 or if you could give even further commentary, that would be helpful.
Brendan Lynch: Great, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to start on a longer term outlook, appreciate that the 3.5% is kind of the trough here in 2026, but you've previously guided to a 5% growth through 2027. Obviously, with Dish, that probably doesn't seem achievable at this point, but maybe you could give some color on what the longer term growth rate might be, either out through 2027 or if you could give even further commentary, that would be helpful.
Speaker #9: for taking my questions . Maybe start on the just to longer
Speaker #9: Appreciate that . The 3.5% is kind of the trough here in 2026 , but you've previously guided to . Great . growth through 2027 .
Speaker #9: Appreciate that . The 3.5% is kind of the trough here in 2026 , but you've previously guided to . Great . growth through Thanks with dish achievable doesn't seem at this point .
Speaker #9: But maybe you could give some on what the that's term growth might be rate either out through color you give further commentary that would could be
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I mean, I don't think, at least from my recollection, in the last years, we've provided any outlook beyond the current year. So I think, no, no, no, no specifics to provide there other than I'll just mention that the combination, the backdrop of sort of constant demand growth on mobile data traffic continue to grow, combined with our clients, you know, buying more spectrum and having plans to more deploy more spectrum and more spectrum being available, we feel pretty good about the long-term outlook. But I don't think we've provided outlook beyond the current year, at least for the last years today, so.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, I mean, I don't think, at least from my recollection, in the last years, we've provided any outlook beyond the current year. So I think, no, no, no, no specifics to provide there other than I'll just mention that the combination, the backdrop of sort of constant demand growth on mobile data traffic continue to grow, combined with our clients, you know, buying more spectrum and having plans to more deploy more spectrum and more spectrum being available, we feel pretty good about the long-term outlook. But I don't think we've provided outlook beyond the current year, at least for the last years today, so.
Speaker #9: . mean , I
Speaker #2: I don't think, at least from my recollection, the last—yeah, in the last few years, we've—
Speaker #2: provided any even outlook beyond the the current year . So I think no , no , no , no specifics to There provide .
Speaker #2: other than I'll just mention that the backdrop combination , was of constant demand growth mobile data traffic on continue to combined with our clients .
Speaker #2: You know , buying more having plans to more deploy , more spectrum and more being available . spectrum We feel pretty good about the the long outlook , but I don't think we provided outlook current year , at least for the last few beyond the years , that .
Speaker #2: You know , buying more having plans to more deploy , more spectrum and more being available . spectrum We feel pretty good about the the long outlook , but I don't think we provided outlook current year , at least for the last few beyond the years , that I
Brendan Lynch: Okay, thank you for that. Maybe just on software upgrades, obviously, that has been a consideration more recently. Your customers are clamoring for more spectrum. Nobody denies that, but maybe the potential for them to deploy more of it via software upgrades instead of new leasing might be a headwind all as equal. Can you just give some commentary on how you think that's gonna affect the industry going forward?
Brendan Lynch: Okay, thank you for that. Maybe just on software upgrades, obviously, that has been a consideration more recently. Your customers are clamoring for more spectrum. Nobody denies that, but maybe the potential for them to deploy more of it via software upgrades instead of new leasing might be a headwind all as equal. Can you just give some commentary on how you think that's gonna affect the industry going forward?
Speaker #9: software upgrades , obviously that has been a consideration more recently . Your customers are clamoring for more spectrum . Nobody that . But maybe the potential to deploy via software instead of more of it new leasing for them upgrades a else equal , might can you headwind .
Speaker #9: give All just some commentary on how you think that's the going to affect industry going forward ?
Chris Levendos: Yeah, maybe I start, and you can jump in. So, I think if you're referencing as an example, AT&T's deployment of the 3.45 spectrum, specifically where they had already deployed radios and antennas that could utilize that band on a portion of their portfolio and were able to very rapidly roll out that spectrum, basically with just a software to unlock those channels. That certainly does exist in some cases. But as an example, the other spectrum that AT&T purchased, the 600 MHz, these are typically new radios and new antennas, because the physics are such that, you know, you have these massive MIMO antennas for the low bands that provide the... It's called the beachfront property spectrum, in terms of the spectrum goes further, it penetrates in buildings for urban and suburban type scenarios.
Chris Levendos: Yeah, maybe I start, and you can jump in. So, I think if you're referencing as an example, AT&T's deployment of the 3.45 spectrum, specifically where they had already deployed radios and antennas that could utilize that band on a portion of their portfolio and were able to very rapidly roll out that spectrum, basically with just a software to unlock those channels. That certainly does exist in some cases. But as an example, the other spectrum that AT&T purchased, the 600 MHz, these are typically new radios and new antennas, because the physics are such that, you know, you have these massive MIMO antennas for the low bands that provide the... It's called the beachfront property spectrum, in terms of the spectrum goes further, it penetrates in buildings for urban and suburban type scenarios.
Speaker #3: Maybe I should So I if you're can jump referencing as start and you an example , AT&T deployment of the 3.45 spectrum , specifically they had already radios where that antennas that could utilize that band on a their portion of portfolio .
Speaker #3: And we're very rapidly roll out spectrum , basically software to just a unlock those with channels . That certainly does exist that in some cases .
Speaker #3: But as an example , the other AT&T purchased , these are the 600MHz , typically new new radios and antennas because the physics are such that , massive you know , you Mimo antennas for the bands that low provide the deployed called the beachfront property it's spectrum .
Speaker #3: In terms of the spectrum further . penetrates It in buildings goes urban and suburban type type scenarios is something that they currently have deployed and would potentially involve don't new new antennas and new radios deployed , type at sites out in order to take advantage of that spectrum .
Chris Levendos: This is something that they don't currently have deployed and would potentially involve having new, new antennas and new radios deployed out at sites in order to take advantage of that spectrum. So it really depends on the exact frequencies and whether those frequencies that have been purchased have already been pre-deployed on a certain number of sites, whether they're able to do that. And in the case of AT&T, as I just said a second ago, it's a portion of the sites that they had the equipment on. There's still a number of additional sites they would have to deploy in order to take advantage of deploying frequencies. So that's, that's a good case study, I think, hopefully in answering your question.
Chris Levendos: This is something that they don't currently have deployed and would potentially involve having new, new antennas and new radios deployed out at sites in order to take advantage of that spectrum. So it really depends on the exact frequencies and whether those frequencies that have been purchased have already been pre-deployed on a certain number of sites, whether they're able to do that. And in the case of AT&T, as I just said a second ago, it's a portion of the sites that they had the equipment on. There's still a number of additional sites they would have to deploy in order to take advantage of deploying frequencies. So that's, that's a good case study, I think, hopefully in answering your question.
Speaker #3: So really depends on the exact it whether those frequencies and frequencies that have been purchased have already deployed on a certain number of whether they're do been the that .
Speaker #3: In the case of AT&T, as I said a second ago, and in a portion of the sites that they're able to turn on, there's the equipment. The number of additional sites that they would have to— in order to deploy, to take advantage of— to deploying frequencies.
Speaker #3: So that’s that case study. I still think—hopefully, in answering your
Sunit Patel: Yeah, and also, software upgrades are very helpful, but at the same time, remember there are, there are limits to how much data rates can be pushed through and the power required to do that. So, so ultimately, you know, like any of these things, if you look at the rate of bit growth, you know, that's why radios and antennas have to keep getting replaced over time, so.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, and also, software upgrades are very helpful, but at the same time, remember there are, there are limits to how much data rates can be pushed through and the power required to do that. So, so ultimately, you know, like any of these things, if you look at the rate of bit growth, you know, that's why radios and antennas have to keep getting replaced over time, so.
Speaker #2: much data be pushed through . And the power required to do that . So so ultimately , you know , like any of these things , you look at the rate of if you big growth , know , that's why radios and antennas have to keep getting replaced over time .
Brendan Lynch: Okay, thank you very much.
Brendan Lynch: Okay, thank you very much.
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Operator: Our next question comes from David Barden with New Street Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from David Barden with New Street Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Our next question from comes David Barden with New Street Research . Please go ahead .
David Brown: Hey, guys. Thank you so much for taking the question. It's nice to talk to you again. So my first question is, I don't wanna throw Ric under the bus, but Ric and I are probably the two oldest guys on this call, and I don't remember the last time that there was a time when a carrier decided, "We're not gonna pay our bills." So could you walk us through exactly what happens when the carrier doesn't pay their bills? Are you gonna go send a team of guys out there and snip wires? Or are you gonna, like, rip this stuff down and sell it to China for scrap metal? Like, what, what does that look like, and how do you account for that? Like, I just don't know. So that's question number one.
David Barden: Hey, guys. Thank you so much for taking the question. It's nice to talk to you again. So my first question is, I don't wanna throw Ric under the bus, but Ric and I are probably the two oldest guys on this call, and I don't remember the last time that there was a time when a carrier decided, "We're not gonna pay our bills." So could you walk us through exactly what happens when the carrier doesn't pay their bills? Are you gonna go send a team of guys out there and snip wires? Or are you gonna, like, rip this stuff down and sell it to China for scrap metal? Like, what, what does that look like, and how do you account for that? Like, I just don't know. So that's question number one.
Speaker #10: My first question is, I don't want to throw Rick under the bus, but Rick and I are probably the two oldest guys on this call.
Speaker #10: And I don't think that there—last time, remember there was a time when a carrier decided, 'We're not going to pay our bills.' So, could you walk us through exactly what happens when the carrier doesn't pay their bills?
Speaker #10: Are you going to send a team of guys out there and snip wires, or are you going to, like, rip this stuff down and sell it to China as scrap metal?
Speaker #10: for Like , what does that look like ? And how do you account for that ? Like , I just don't know . So that's question number one .
David Brown: And then the second question would be, just your guys' understanding. So, you know, we've been talking a lot to government, to the carriers about the C-Band, upper C-Band auction, its proximity to the radio altimeter band up at the 4.2 to 4.4, and, you know, how that could slow down deployment. I'm wondering if you guys have a view on kind of how the next big, massive spectrum auction that's gonna happen in the United States could ultimately affect the tower industry. Thank you.
David Barden: And then the second question would be, just your guys' understanding. So, you know, we've been talking a lot to government, to the carriers about the C-Band, upper C-Band auction, its proximity to the radio altimeter band up at the 4.2 to 4.4, and, you know, how that could slow down deployment. I'm wondering if you guys have a view on kind of how the next big, massive spectrum auction that's gonna happen in the United States could ultimately affect the tower industry. Thank you.
Speaker #10: second question would be And then the just your guys's understanding . So you know , we've been talking a lot to governments to carriers about the the , upper C-band proximity auction .
Speaker #10: to Its the radio C-band band the up at altimeter 4.2 to 4.4 . And that how could down deployment slow . And and I'm wondering if you guys have a view on kind of how the next big massive on that's going to happen in the United States could ultimately affect the tower industry .
Chris Levendos: Yeah, well, maybe just start with the first one. I mean, we don't really wanna go into disclosure of our specific commercial agreements with a specific customer as a practice. But at the end of the day, if a customer doesn't pay and they're in default, and you serve them, and you terminate a contract, then there's an obligation for them to remove their equipment in a timely basis as per the terms of the contract, right? So, and-
Chris Levendos: Yeah, well, maybe just start with the first one. I mean, we don't really wanna go into disclosure of our specific commercial agreements with a specific customer as a practice. But at the end of the day, if a customer doesn't pay and they're in default, and you serve them, and you terminate a contract, then there's an obligation for them to remove their equipment in a timely basis as per the terms of the contract, right? So, and-
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Speaker #3: just start with Yeah . the first Well , one . I mean , we don't really want to go into disclosure of of our specific commercial with the specific customer as a agreements practice .
Speaker #3: At the end of the day, if a customer doesn't pay and they're in, and you serve them and you terminate a contract, then there's a default for them to remove their equipment in a timely basis as per the terms of the contract.
Speaker #3: obligation So and .
David Brown: It's on them. It's not you, it's them?
David Barden: It's on them. It's not you, it's them?
Chris Levendos: It's them, it's them. So ultimately-
Chris Levendos: It's them, it's them. So ultimately-
Speaker #10: It's them . It's not you , it's them .
Speaker #10: It's them . It's not you , it's them on
Speaker #10: It's them. It's not you, it's them. It's on them.
David Brown: There's no way Dish is gonna do that. You know Dish is not gonna do that.
David Barden: There's no way DISH is gonna do that. You know DISH is not gonna do that.
Speaker #3: It's them. So, them, and ultimately.
Speaker #10: There's no way this is going to do that. To do an know dish is not going to do that.
Chris Levendos: Yeah. Yeah. So, well, we'll see. We'll see, we'll, we'll see what happens there, as they, as they approach their cure period.
Chris Levendos: Yeah. Yeah. So, well, we'll see. We'll see, we'll, we'll see what happens there, as they, as they approach their cure period.
Speaker #3: Yeah . Yeah . So well we'll see we'll see . we'll see We'll they , as . As what there happens they approach their cure .
David Brown: Okay.
David Barden: Okay.
Chris Levendos: The contract has been terminated, and they – it's their obligation to remove the equipment. You know, more broadly speaking, I've been in the industry a long time as well, almost 30 years, or 30 years, half of it as an operator, and I also can't remember a time since maybe before the consolidation of those regional carriers that ultimately became T-Mobile, or part of AT&T or Verizon, where we had somebody just turn out the lights and walk away from obligations like they have. It's pretty amazing, actually, to have witnessed this in my lifetime.
Chris Levendos: The contract has been terminated, and they – it's their obligation to remove the equipment. You know, more broadly speaking, I've been in the industry a long time as well, almost 30 years, or 30 years, half of it as an operator, and I also can't remember a time since maybe before the consolidation of those regional carriers that ultimately became T-Mobile, or part of AT&T or Verizon, where we had somebody just turn out the lights and walk away from obligations like they have. It's pretty amazing, actually, to have witnessed this in my lifetime.
Speaker #3: speaking I've industry a long time as well . been in the Almost 30 years or 30 years . it as an Half of also I've can't time since maybe before the consolidation of those regional carriers that ultimately became T-Mobile remember a , part AT&T of Verizon , where we had somebody turn out just the lights walk away from obligations like they and have .
Speaker #3: It's it's it's pretty amazing , actually , to to have witnessed this in my lifetime or On your second question , to try to answer it .
Chris Levendos: On your second question, to try to answer it: so if you recall, when the initial C-Band auctions had occurred and they started to deploy, there was a number of concerns about potential interference with the altimeters and the avionics, and it caused a bunch of headaches working with the FAA and the industry in order to come up with a plan on how they would deploy that, which has subsequently been fixed. I think there were some good lessons learned there of how the MNOs can work alongside with government to come up with solutions to be able to deploy it. And so it's not as if this will be the first time that they had to navigate through these types of challenges.
Chris Levendos: On your second question, to try to answer it: so if you recall, when the initial C-Band auctions had occurred and they started to deploy, there was a number of concerns about potential interference with the altimeters and the avionics, and it caused a bunch of headaches working with the FAA and the industry in order to come up with a plan on how they would deploy that, which has subsequently been fixed. I think there were some good lessons learned there of how the MNOs can work alongside with government to come up with solutions to be able to deploy it. And so it's not as if this will be the first time that they had to navigate through these types of challenges.
Speaker #3: So recall , when the initial C-band auctions had occurred they and started to deploy , there was a number of concerns about potential interference with with the and the altimeters avionics caused a , and it bunch of headaches working FAA and the with the industry in to come up order with a plan on how they would that , which is subsequently been fixed .
Speaker #3: deploy think there were some good lessons learned there of how the work minnows can with government to to come up with alongside able to deploy it .
Speaker #3: And so it's the if this will be the first time that they had to navigate through these types of And challenges . again , while there was an initial hiccup deployment , they very rapidly solved it .
Chris Levendos: And again, while there was an initial hiccup in the deployment, they very rapidly solved it, and I think are in a much better position now overall as a result, with a solution that worked for all parties. So, these will consistently be challenges as you start to auction off spectrum that is in use by others, including government entities, of figuring out how to best clear the bands and provide the use of that spectrum, putting it to work. There's clearly a huge demand by operators to have access to additional spectrum, and from what the FCC has signaled, they're in a position with that 800 megahertz that they've indicated that they intend to auction in 2027, is to take rapid action to put it to use.
Chris Levendos: And again, while there was an initial hiccup in the deployment, they very rapidly solved it, and I think are in a much better position now overall as a result, with a solution that worked for all parties. So, these will consistently be challenges as you start to auction off spectrum that is in use by others, including government entities, of figuring out how to best clear the bands and provide the use of that spectrum, putting it to work. There's clearly a huge demand by operators to have access to additional spectrum, and from what the FCC has signaled, they're in a position with that 800 megahertz that they've indicated that they intend to auction in 2027, is to take rapid action to put it to use.
Speaker #3: the better position now in overall result , with And I think the solution that worked for all parties . So these will these will as a consistently be challenges as you start to auction off spectrum that use has is in use by others , including government entities .
Speaker #3: Figuring out how to best clear the bands and provide use of that the spectrum . Putting it to work . There's clearly a huge demand by to have access to additional spectrum from what , and the FCC has they're in a signaled , position with indicated that they intend to to auction that in 27 is to take rapid action , to 800MHz that they've they've it to operators and more importantly , that rises the tide for all boats and all tower companies .
Chris Levendos: And more importantly, that rises the tide for all boats and all tower companies, as a result of that spectrum being deployed. So we support it. We believe it's the right thing to do for a public resource, which is, again, why we support ultimately Dish's sale of the spectrum to AT&T and SpaceX.
Chris Levendos: And more importantly, that rises the tide for all boats and all tower companies, as a result of that spectrum being deployed. So we support it. We believe it's the right thing to do for a public resource, which is, again, why we support ultimately Dish's sale of the spectrum to AT&T and SpaceX.
Speaker #3: As a result of that spectrum being So we're we deployed . support it . We believe it's the right thing for public to do resource , which is again , why we support ultimately dishes sale of the spectrum to AT&T in space .
David Brown: So thank you, Chris, and I really appreciate that. If I could ask one follow-up. Sunit, when Charlie fails to follow through on his obligation to remove the equipment, how long does it take before we find out? And then, what happens?
David Barden: So thank you, Chris, and I really appreciate that. If I could ask one follow-up. Sunit, when Charlie fails to follow through on his obligation to remove the equipment, how long does it take before we find out? And then, what happens?
Speaker #10: So thank you , Chris , and I really appreciate that . And if I could ask one follow soon , it up when Charlie fails to through on follow obligation to remove the equipment , how long does it take before we then what happens ?
Speaker #10: find out ?
Sunit Patel: Again, I hesitate to answer specifics on that because you can imagine these are fairly large contracts with all kinds of provisions. So, I mean, I just leave it at that. But what I will say is we are doing everything we can within the contract in Washington, as Chris was talking about, to make sure we are enforcing our rights and being aggressive about it.
Sunit Patel: Again, I hesitate to answer specifics on that because you can imagine these are fairly large contracts with all kinds of provisions. So, I mean, I just leave it at that. But what I will say is we are doing everything we can within the contract in Washington, as Chris was talking about, to make sure we are enforcing our rights and being aggressive about it.
Speaker #2: Again , I , I hesitate to answer
Speaker #2: because as you can imagine , these are fairly large contracts with all kinds of provisions . So mean , I , I just leave that .
Speaker #2: But what I will say is are doing we everything we can within the contract in as Washington , talking about , to make sure we are enforcing our rights and being aggressive about it .
David Brown: Understand. Thank you, guys, so much. I appreciate it.
David Barden: Understand. Thank you, guys, so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker #10: understand . Thank I you guys so much . I appreciate it .
Chris Levendos: You bet.
Chris Levendos: You bet.
Operator: Our next question comes from Batya Levy with UBS. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our next question comes from Batya Levi with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: You bet
Speaker #4: Next, our question comes from Bhatia Levy with UBS. Please go ahead.
Batya Levy: Great. Thank you. One more follow-up on the leasing question. The slowdown that we're potentially seeing, excluding Dish, is that across the board or maybe specific to a player? And can you help us understand the amendment versus densification mix? Is the back half weighted more related to potential densification efforts flowing through? And another one on the cost side. How does the $65 million lower cost outlook compare to your prior expectations, given the progress you've made last year? Thank you.
Batya Levi: Great. Thank you. One more follow-up on the leasing question. The slowdown that we're potentially seeing, excluding Dish, is that across the board or maybe specific to a player? And can you help us understand the amendment versus densification mix? Is the back half weighted more related to potential densification efforts flowing through? And another one on the cost side. How does the $65 million lower cost outlook compare to your prior expectations, given the progress you've made last year? Thank you.
Speaker #11: Great . Thank One more follow up on the you . leasing question . The slowdown
Speaker #11: potentially seeing , you excluding dish is that across Or maybe specific the board . to a player . can you And help us understand the amendment versus densification mix the back half more weighted related to is potentially densification efforts flowing through .
Speaker #11: And another one on the cost side , how does the 65 million lower cost outlook compared to your prior given the progress expectations , you've year ?
Speaker #11: made last Thank you
Speaker #11: Made last. Thank you.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, thanks. I think, first of all, on the slowdown point, as I was saying, if you look at the 25 numbers and the 26 guide, if you were to adjust for the change in other billings, the growth this year is about where it was last year in the same zip code. So not much change there, I would say, compared to last year. Most of it is account for change in other billings. And then in terms of the proportion on call versus amendment, we haven't seen anything. It's about the same ratio as we've seen last year.
Sunit Patel: Yeah, thanks. I think, first of all, on the slowdown point, as I was saying, if you look at the 25 numbers and the 26 guide, if you were to adjust for the change in other billings, the growth this year is about where it was last year in the same zip code. So not much change there, I would say, compared to last year. Most of it is account for change in other billings. And then in terms of the proportion on call versus amendment, we haven't seen anything. It's about the same ratio as we've seen last year.
Speaker #2: I think , first of slowdown the all , on Yeah , was saying , if you look at the 25 . as I Numbers in the 26 guide , if you were to adjust for the change in other billings , the activity , the the growth this year is about .
Speaker #2: Boy was last year in the same zip So , so not much change . There would say compared to last year . I .
Speaker #2: Most of it's change in other billings . And then in terms proportion on call versus we haven't we haven't seen anything . It's about the same amendment , same we've ratio as seen last year .
Sunit Patel: And then, yeah, I mean, the leasing activity, as I said, is in line with what we are seeing last year, excluding the impact of DISH in both periods.
Sunit Patel: And then, yeah, I mean, the leasing activity, as I said, is in line with what we are seeing last year, excluding the impact of DISH in both periods.
Speaker #2: And then the the of the yeah , I mean the the , activity as leasing , is I said in line what we are last year , excluding the impact of Dish in both periods .
Speaker #2: And then the the of the yeah , I mean the the , activity as leasing , is I said in line what we are last year , excluding the impact of Dish in both periods seeing
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): On the cost side?
Jim Schneider: On the cost side?
Sunit Patel: On the cost side, I think that, you know, we did say upon the announcement of the transaction, when we provided the guide, post the close of the transaction, that we are, you know, take some costs out. So I think what you're seeing here is in line, but I think the bigger point that we've talked about in previous calls is, we think there is continued opportunity for us to make some investments in platforms and systems in the next couple of years, drive better customer experience, whether it's cycle times or interactions with customers, more efficiency, higher productivity levels.
Sunit Patel: On the cost side, I think that, you know, we did say upon the announcement of the transaction, when we provided the guide, post the close of the transaction, that we are, you know, take some costs out. So I think what you're seeing here is in line, but I think the bigger point that we've talked about in previous calls is, we think there is continued opportunity for us to make some investments in platforms and systems in the next couple of years, drive better customer experience, whether it's cycle times or interactions with customers, more efficiency, higher productivity levels.
Speaker #11: .
Speaker #2: On the cost side , I think that did say upon , you know , we the the transaction when we provided the guide post , the close of the transaction , that we are , you know , take some cost out .
Speaker #2: I think what seeing here is you're in line , but I think the bigger point that we've talked about in previous calls is we they think is continued opportunity for us to make some investments in platforms and systems in the next couple of years , drive better customer experience , whether it's cycle times or interactions with customers , more efficiency , higher productivity levels .
Sunit Patel: So I think, as Chris Levendos mentioned, we are on a pathway to pursue a series of initiatives that we think, both in terms of investments, and automation, that we think, including some AI efforts, that we think will continue to drive improvement on the cost side over the next couple of years.
Sunit Patel: So I think, as Chris Levendos mentioned, we are on a pathway to pursue a series of initiatives that we think, both in terms of investments, and automation, that we think, including some AI efforts, that we think will continue to drive improvement on the cost side over the next couple of years.
Speaker #2: think So Chris , as I Hillebrand mentioned , we we are on a pathway to pursue a to series of initiatives that we think both in terms of investments and automation , that we think including some AI think efforts that we will will continue to drive improvement on the cost side over the next couple of years
[Analyst] (Goldman Sachs): Got it. Thank you.
Jim Schneider: Got it. Thank you.
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Operator: Our final question comes from Ari Kline with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: Our final question comes from Ari Klein with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: final question comes Our Ari from Thank BMO Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Ari Kline: Thanks. I imagine there are some legal costs associated with DISH. Is that in G&A, and is it of any significance? And then the composition of share repurchase and debt repayments a little different than previously discussed with less repurchases. Is that largely to maintain leverage ex DISH?
Ari Klein: Thanks. I imagine there are some legal costs associated with DISH. Is that in G&A, and is it of any significance? And then the composition of share repurchase and debt repayments a little different than previously discussed with less repurchases. Is that largely to maintain leverage ex DISH?
Speaker #12: Thanks imagine there are some legal costs Klein with with dish . Is that in DNA and is it of any significance ? And then the composition of share .
Speaker #12: repayments a little different than previously discussed with less repurchases ? Is that largely to maintain leverage ? Ex dish .
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So let me cover the legal costs. So yeah, I mean, we've thought about it as we provided our guidance. You know, there can always be something extreme, but I think it's factored into the guidance that we provided. On your second question, I think that... Sorry, give me a second. Yeah, I mean, on your second question, I think, we - the capital allocation framework we'd outlined was for a leverage of 6 to 6.5. So if you look through that, with the change in the DISH outlook, and you look at our EBITDA and AFFO outlook, we thought it made sense, to pay down more debt and stay within the range, 'cause, as we've said, previously, the key for us is to be Investment Grade.
Sunit Patel: Yeah. So let me cover the legal costs. So yeah, I mean, we've thought about it as we provided our guidance. You know, there can always be something extreme, but I think it's factored into the guidance that we provided. On your second question, I think that... Sorry, give me a second. Yeah, I mean, on your second question, I think, we - the capital allocation framework we'd outlined was for a leverage of 6 to 6.5. So if you look through that, with the change in the DISH outlook, and you look at our EBITDA and AFFO outlook, we thought it made sense, to pay down more debt and stay within the range, 'cause, as we've said, previously, the key for us is to be Investment Grade.
Speaker #2: Yeah . me cover the legal costs . So yeah I mean we've thought about it as we provided our guidance . You know they can always be something extreme .
Speaker #2: I think it's factored into the
Speaker #2: that we provided on your second question , I think that
Speaker #2: . Sorry . I Give me But a mean , on your second repurchases and debt question , I we think capital allocation we outlined was for leverage of 6 to 6 and a Yeah . half .
Speaker #2: . Sorry . I Give me But a mean , on your second repurchases and debt question , I we think capital allocation we outlined was for leverage of 6 to 6 and a Yeah .
Speaker #2: , with the change in the dish outlook and you look at our EBITDA and FFO outlook , we thought it made sense to pay down more debt and within the stay range because as we've said previously , the key for us is to be investment grade .
Sunit Patel: This keeps us in the leverage ratio as outlined and continues to preserve financial flexibility and also provide good risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders.
Sunit Patel: This keeps us in the leverage ratio as outlined and continues to preserve financial flexibility and also provide good risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders.
Speaker #2: So, this keeps us in the leverage ratio with our client and continues to preserve financial flexibility, and also provides good risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders.
Ari Kline: Thank you.
Ari Klein: Thank you.
Speaker #12: Thank you .
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