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Q4 2025 Hess Midstream LP Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the fourth quarter 2025 Hess Midstream Conference Call. My name is Gigi, and I'll be your operator for today.
Operator: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q4 2025 Hess Midstream conference call. My name is Gigi, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Gordon, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.
Operator: Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Q4 2025 Hess Midstream conference call. My name is Gigi, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Gordon, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed.
Speaker #1: At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone.
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Speaker #1: I would now like to turn the conference over to Jennifer Gordon, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please.
Speaker #1: proceed. Thank you,
Jennifer Gordon: Thank you, Gigi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in our fourth quarter earnings conference call. Our earnings release was issued this morning and appears on our website, www.hessmidstream.com. Today's conference call contains projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied in such statements. These risks include those set forth in the Risk Factors section of Hess Midstream's filings with the SEC. Also, on today's conference call, we may discuss certain GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the differences between these non-GAAP financial measures and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the earnings release. With me today are Jonathan Stein, Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Chadwick, Chief Financial Officer.
Jennifer Gordon: Thank you, Gigi. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in our fourth quarter earnings conference call. Our earnings release was issued this morning and appears on our website, www.hessmidstream.com. Today's conference call contains projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied in such statements. These risks include those set forth in the Risk Factors section of Hess Midstream's filings with the SEC. Also, on today's conference call, we may discuss certain GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the differences between these non-GAAP financial measures and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the earnings release. With me today are Jonathan Stein, Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Chadwick, Chief Financial Officer.
Speaker #2: Gigi: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for participating in our fourth quarter earnings conference call. Our earnings release was issued this morning and appears on our website, www.hessmidstream.com.
Speaker #2: Today's conference call contains projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied in such statements.
Speaker #2: These risks include those set forth in the risk factors section of Hess Midstream's filings with the SEC. Also, on today's conference call, we may discuss certain GAAP financial measures.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of the differences between these non-GAAP financial measures and the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in the earnings release.
Speaker #2: With me today are Jonathan Stein, Chief Executive Officer, and Mike Chadwick, Chief Financial Officer. I'll now turn the call over to Jonathan.
Jennifer Gordon: I'll now turn the call over to Jonathan Stein.
I'll now turn the call over to Jonathan Stein.
Speaker #2: Stein. Thanks, Jennifer.
Jonathan Stein: Thanks, Jennifer. Welcome everyone to our Q4 2025 Earnings Call. Today, I will review our 2025 performance, our 2026, and long-term guidance issued in December, and then I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financials. In 2025, we continued our record of strong performance execution, completing our multi-year projects on time and on budget, and strategically growing our gas gathering and compression system. With the system now substantially built, our projected capital spending will be significantly lower. For 2026, we expect to spend approximately $150 million, a 40% reduction in capital spending relative to 2025. We expect our capital spend to decrease even further in 2027 and 2028 to less than $75 million per year.
Jonathan Stein: Thanks, Jennifer. Welcome everyone to our Q4 2025 Earnings Call. Today, I will review our 2025 performance, our 2026, and long-term guidance issued in December, and then I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financials. In 2025, we continued our record of strong performance execution, completing our multi-year projects on time and on budget, and strategically growing our gas gathering and compression system. With the system now substantially built, our projected capital spending will be significantly lower. For 2026, we expect to spend approximately $150 million, a 40% reduction in capital spending relative to 2025. We expect our capital spend to decrease even further in 2027 and 2028 to less than $75 million per year.
Speaker #3: Welcome, everyone, to our fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. Today, I will review our 2025 performance, our 2026 and long-term guidance issued in December, and then I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financials.
Speaker #3: In 2025, we continued our record of strong performance execution, completing our multi-year projects on time and on budget, and strategically growing our gas gathering and compression system.
Speaker #3: With the system now substantially built, our projected capital spending will be significantly lower. For 2026, we expect to spend approximately $150 million—a 40% reduction in capital spending relative to 2025.
Speaker #3: We expect our capital spend to decrease even further in 2027 and 2028 to less than $75 million per year. This lower capital highlights our ability to leverage our historical investments to drive significant free cash flow generation that supports our unique combination of shareholder returns and balance sheet strength.
Jonathan Stein: This lower capital highlights our ability to leverage our historical investments to drive significant free cash flow generation that supports our unique combination of shareholder returns and balance sheet strength, through a combination of targeted 5% distribution per Class A share growth through 2028, potential incremental share repurchases, and debt repayment. Now turning to Hess Midstream results. Q4 volumes were generally flat year-over-year, but down relative to the Q3 due to severe weather through the month of December. Gas processing volumes averaged 444 million cubic feet per day. Crude terminal volumes averaged 122,000 barrels of oil per day, and while the gathering volumes averaged 124,000 barrels of water per day.
Jonathan Stein: This lower capital highlights our ability to leverage our historical investments to drive significant free cash flow generation that supports our unique combination of shareholder returns and balance sheet strength, through a combination of targeted 5% distribution per Class A share growth through 2028, potential incremental share repurchases, and debt repayment. Now turning to Hess Midstream results. Q4 volumes were generally flat year-over-year, but down relative to the Q3 due to severe weather through the month of December. Gas processing volumes averaged 444 million cubic feet per day. Crude terminal volumes averaged 122,000 barrels of oil per day, and while the gathering volumes averaged 124,000 barrels of water per day.
Speaker #3: Through a combination of targeted 5% distribution per Class A share ratio growth through 2028, potential incremental share repurchases, and debt repayment, now turning to Hess Midstream results.
Speaker #3: Fourth quarter volumes were generally flat year over year, but down relative to the third quarter due to severe weather throughout the month of December.
Speaker #3: Gas processing volumes averaged 444 million cubic feet per day, crude terminal volumes averaged 122,000 barrels of oil per day, and gathering volumes averaged 124,000 barrels of water per day.
Speaker #3: For full year 2025, Hess Midstream’s gas processing volumes averaged 445 million cubic feet per day, crude terminal volumes averaged 129,000 barrels of oil per day, and water gathering volumes averaged 131,000 barrels of water per day.
Jonathan Stein: For full year 2025, Hess Midstream's gas processing volumes averaged 445 million cubic feet per day, crude terminal volumes averaged 129,000 barrels of oil per day, and water gathering volumes averaged 131,000 barrels of water per day, resulting in full-year Adjusted EBITDA of $1,238 million. Looking forward, for Q1 2026, we expect low volumes across our systems as severe winter weather has continued through January and into the start of February, together with normal contingencies for the rest of the winter period. On a full year basis, we are reiterating the volume guidance that we gave in December for the full year of 2026, and expect growth in volumes across our systems through the rest of the year, consistent with historical seasonal volume expectation.
For full year 2025, Hess Midstream's gas processing volumes averaged 445 million cubic feet per day, crude terminal volumes averaged 129,000 barrels of oil per day, and water gathering volumes averaged 131,000 barrels of water per day, resulting in full-year Adjusted EBITDA of $1,238 million. Looking forward, for Q1 2026, we expect low volumes across our systems as severe winter weather has continued through January and into the start of February, together with normal contingencies for the rest of the winter period. On a full year basis, we are reiterating the volume guidance that we gave in December for the full year of 2026, and expect growth in volumes across our systems through the rest of the year, consistent with historical seasonal volume expectation.
Speaker #3: Resulting in full-year adjusted EBITDA of $1.238 billion. Looking forward to the first quarter of 2026, we expect lower volumes across our systems, and severe winter weather has continued through January and into the start of February.
Speaker #3: Together with normal contingencies for the rest of the winter period, on a full-year basis, we are reiterating the volume guidance that we gave in December for the full year of 2026 and expect growth in volumes across our systems through the rest of the year, consistent with historical seasonal volume expectations.
Speaker #3: With revenues that are approximately 95% protected by MVCs on a full-year basis, we anticipate net income and adjusted EBITDA to be higher through the rest of 2026 relative to our first quarter guidance.
Jonathan Stein: With revenues that are approximately 95% protected by MVCs on a full year basis, we anticipate net income and Adjusted EBITDA to be higher through the rest of 2026 relative to our Q1 guidance. Looking beyond 2026, leveraging our historical investment in infrastructure and consistent with Chevron's optimized development program for the Bakken, we continue to expect 5% annualized net income and Adjusted EBITDA growth at approximately 10% annualized Adjusted free cash flow growth through 2028. That is supported by gas volume growth, contracted annual inflation tariff rate adjustments, and lower operating and capital spend.
With revenues that are approximately 95% protected by MVCs on a full year basis, we anticipate net income and Adjusted EBITDA to be higher through the rest of 2026 relative to our Q1 guidance. Looking beyond 2026, leveraging our historical investment in infrastructure and consistent with Chevron's optimized development program for the Bakken, we continue to expect 5% annualized net income and Adjusted EBITDA growth at approximately 10% annualized Adjusted free cash flow growth through 2028. That is supported by gas volume growth, contracted annual inflation tariff rate adjustments, and lower operating and capital spend.
Speaker #3: Looking beyond 2026, leveraging our historical investment in infrastructure and consistent with Chevron's optimized development program for the Balkans, we continue to expect 5% annualized net income and adjusted EBITDA growth and approximately 10% annualized adjusted free cash flow growth through 2028. This is supported by gas volume growth, contracted annual inflation tariff rate adjustments, and lower operating and capital spend.
Speaker #3: In summary, with adjusted EBITDA growth and a moderating capital program, we expect significant adjusted free cash flow generation in 2026 of $850 to $900 million.
Jonathan Stein: In summary, with adjusted EBITDA growth and a moderating capital program, we expect significant adjusted free cash flow generation in 2026 of $850 to 900 million, reflecting 12% growth over 2025 at the midpoint, followed by annualized growth of approximately 10% through 2028, which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment above and beyond our 5% targeted distribution growth that can be delivered even at already set MVC levels. With that, I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financial performance for Q4 and guidance.
In summary, with adjusted EBITDA growth and a moderating capital program, we expect significant adjusted free cash flow generation in 2026 of $850 to 900 million, reflecting 12% growth over 2025 at the midpoint, followed by annualized growth of approximately 10% through 2028, which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment above and beyond our 5% targeted distribution growth that can be delivered even at already set MVC levels. With that, I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financial performance for Q4 and guidance.
Speaker #3: Reflecting 12% growth over 2025 at the midpoint, followed by annualized growth of approximately 10% through 2028, which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment above and beyond our 5% targeted distribution growth that can be delivered even at already set MVC levels.
Speaker #3: With that, I'll hand the call over to Mike to review our financial performance for the fourth quarter and guidance.
Speaker #4: Thanks, Jonathan, and good morning, everyone. Today, I will summarize our financial highlights for 2025, provide details on our first quarter financial guidance, and outlook through 2028, which we issued in December.
Michael Chadwick: Thanks, Jonathan, and good morning, everyone. Today, I will summarize our financial highlights for 2025, provide details on our first quarter financial guidance and outlook through 2028, which we issued in December. For 2025, we delivered strong results, with full year net income of approximately $685 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $1,238 million. This adjusted EBITDA represents a growth of approximately 9% from 2024. For the fourth quarter, net income was $168 million, compared to approximately $176 million in the third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $309 million, compared with approximately $321 million in the third quarter.
Michael Chadwick: Thanks, Jonathan, and good morning, everyone. Today, I will summarize our financial highlights for 2025, provide details on our first quarter financial guidance and outlook through 2028, which we issued in December. For 2025, we delivered strong results, with full year net income of approximately $685 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $1,238 million. This adjusted EBITDA represents a growth of approximately 9% from 2024. For the fourth quarter, net income was $168 million, compared to approximately $176 million in the third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $309 million, compared with approximately $321 million in the third quarter.
Speaker #4: For 2025, we delivered strong results. With full-year net income of approximately $685 million and adjusted EBITDA of $1.238 billion, this adjusted EBITDA represents a growth of approximately 9% from 2024.
Speaker #4: For the fourth quarter, net income was $168 million, compared to approximately $176 million in the third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $309 million, compared with approximately $321 million in the third quarter.
Speaker #4: The decrease is primarily due to lower revenues, caused by severe winter weather followed by a slow recovery through December, as well as lower interruptible third-party volumes and annual maintenance at LM4.
Michael Chadwick: The decrease is primarily due to lower revenues caused by severe winter weather, followed by a slow recovery through December, as well as lower interruptible third-party volumes and annual maintenance at LM4. Total revenues, excluding pass-through revenues, decreased by approximately $19 million, resulting in segment revenue changes as follows: Gathering revenues decreased by approximately $11 million, processing revenues decreased by approximately $6 million, and terminaling revenues decreased by approximately $2 million. Total costs and expenses, excluding depreciation and amortization, pass-through costs, and net of our proportional share of LM4 earnings, decreased by approximately $7 million, primarily from lower allocations under our omnibus and employee secondment agreements. Lower seasonal maintenance activity, partially offset by higher processing fees, resulting in Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 of $309 million.
The decrease is primarily due to lower revenues caused by severe winter weather, followed by a slow recovery through December, as well as lower interruptible third-party volumes and annual maintenance at LM4. Total revenues, excluding pass-through revenues, decreased by approximately $19 million, resulting in segment revenue changes as follows: Gathering revenues decreased by approximately $11 million, processing revenues decreased by approximately $6 million, and terminaling revenues decreased by approximately $2 million. Total costs and expenses, excluding depreciation and amortization, pass-through costs, and net of our proportional share of LM4 earnings, decreased by approximately $7 million, primarily from lower allocations under our omnibus and employee secondment agreements. Lower seasonal maintenance activity, partially offset by higher processing fees, resulting in Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 of $309 million.
Speaker #4: Total revenues excluding pass-through revenues decreased by approximately $19 million, resulting in segment revenue changes as follows: gathering revenues decreased by approximately $11 million, processing revenues decreased by approximately $6 million, and terminal revenues decreased by approximately $2 million.
Speaker #4: Total costs and expenses, excluding depreciation and amortization pass-through costs and net of our proportional share of LM4 earnings, decreased by approximately $7 million, primarily from lower allocations under our omnibus and employee secondment agreements and lower seasonal maintenance activity, partially offset by higher processing fees, resulting in adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of $309 million.
Speaker #4: Our gross adjusted EBITDA margin for the fourth quarter was maintained at approximately 83%, above our 75% target, highlighting our continued strong operating leverage. Fourth quarter capital expenditures were approximately $47 million, marking lower fourth quarter activity as well as the completion of our compression buildout.
Michael Chadwick: Our gross adjusted EBITDA margin for Q4 was maintained at approximately 83%, above our 75% target, highlighting our continued strong operating leverage. Q4 capital expenditures were approximately $47 million, marking lower Q4 activity, as well as the completion of our compression build-out. Net interest, excluding amortization of deferred finance costs, was approximately $54 million, resulting in adjusted free cash flow of approximately $208 million. We had a drawn balance of $338 million on our revolving credit facility at year-end.
Our gross adjusted EBITDA margin for Q4 was maintained at approximately 83%, above our 75% target, highlighting our continued strong operating leverage. Q4 capital expenditures were approximately $47 million, marking lower Q4 activity, as well as the completion of our compression build-out. Net interest, excluding amortization of deferred finance costs, was approximately $54 million, resulting in adjusted free cash flow of approximately $208 million. We had a drawn balance of $338 million on our revolving credit facility at year-end.
Speaker #4: And net interest, excluding amortization of deferred finance costs, was approximately $54 million, resulting in adjusted free cash flow of approximately $208 million. We had a drawn balance of $338 million on our revolving credit facility at year-end.
Speaker #4: For the first quarter of 2026, we expect net income to be approximately $150 million to $160 million, and adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $295 million to $305 million, including the impact of severe winter weather that continued through January and the potential for additional winter weather events through the quarter.
Michael Chadwick: For Q1 2026, we expect net income to be approximately $150 to 160 million, and Adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $295 to 305 million, including the impact of severe winter weather that continued through January, and the potential for additional winter weather events through the quarter. We expect Adjusted free cash flow in Q1 2026 to increase relative to Q4 2025, as capital expenditures in the first quarter are projected to be lower than the fourth quarter. Turning to our rates for 2026 and beyond. The majority of our systems, that represent approximately 85% of our revenues, are fixed fee, with rates increasing each year based on an inflation escalator capped at 3%.
For Q1 2026, we expect net income to be approximately $150 to 160 million, and Adjusted EBITDA to be approximately $295 to 305 million, including the impact of severe winter weather that continued through January, and the potential for additional winter weather events through the quarter. We expect Adjusted free cash flow in Q1 2026 to increase relative to Q4 2025, as capital expenditures in the first quarter are projected to be lower than the fourth quarter. Turning to our rates for 2026 and beyond. The majority of our systems, that represent approximately 85% of our revenues, are fixed fee, with rates increasing each year based on an inflation escalator capped at 3%.
Speaker #4: We expect adjusted free cash flow in the first quarter of 2026 to increase relative to the fourth quarter of 2025, as capital expenditures in the first quarter are projected to be lower than in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #4: Turning to our rates for 2026 and beyond, the majority of our systems that represent approximately 85% of our revenues are fixed fee, with rates increasing each year based on an inflation escalator capped at 3%.
Speaker #4: For our terminal systems, Altogether systems, and a gas gathering subsystem that represents approximately 15% of our revenues, we continue to reset our rates through our annual rate redetermination process through 2033.
Michael Chadwick: For our terminaling systems, water gathering systems, and a gas gathering subsystem that represents approximately 15% of our revenues, we continue to reset our rates through our annual rate redetermination process through 2033. In general, tariff rates across most of our systems are higher in 2026 than 2025 rates. For the full year 2026, we continue to expect net income of between $650 million and $700 million, and Adjusted EBITDA of between $1.225 billion and $1.275 billion in 2026, approximately flat at the midpoint compared with 2025. As Jonathan mentioned, approximately 95% of our revenues are covered by minimum volume commitments in 2026.
For our terminaling systems, water gathering systems, and a gas gathering subsystem that represents approximately 15% of our revenues, we continue to reset our rates through our annual rate redetermination process through 2033. In general, tariff rates across most of our systems are higher in 2026 than 2025 rates. For the full year 2026, we continue to expect net income of between $650 million and $700 million, and Adjusted EBITDA of between $1.225 billion and $1.275 billion in 2026, approximately flat at the midpoint compared with 2025. As Jonathan mentioned, approximately 95% of our revenues are covered by minimum volume commitments in 2026.
Speaker #4: In general, tariff rates across most of our systems are higher in 2026 than 2025 rates. For the full year 2026, we continue to expect net income of between $650 million and $700 million and adjusted EBITDA of between $1,225 million and $1,275 million in 2026, approximately flat at the midpoint compared with 2025.
Speaker #4: As Jonathan mentioned, approximately 95% of our revenues are covered by minimum volume commitments in 2026. We continue to target a gross adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 75% in 2026, with total expected capital expenditures of approximately $150 million.
Michael Chadwick: We continue to target a Gross adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 75% in 2026, with total expected capital expenditures of approximately $150 million. We expect to generate adjusted free cash flow of between $850 million and $900 million, and excess adjusted free cash flow of approximately $210 million after fully funding our targeted 5% annual distribution growth, which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment.
We continue to target a Gross adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 75% in 2026, with total expected capital expenditures of approximately $150 million. We expect to generate adjusted free cash flow of between $850 million and $900 million, and excess adjusted free cash flow of approximately $210 million after fully funding our targeted 5% annual distribution growth, which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment.
Speaker #4: We expect to generate adjusted free cash flow of between $850 million and $900 million, and excess adjusted free cash flow of approximately $210 million after fully funding our targeted 5% annual distribution growth.
Speaker #4: Which we expect to use for incremental shareholder returns and debt repayment. Looking beyond 2026, we have visible drivers, including gas volume growth that continues to make up 75% of our revenues, inflation escalators, and lower capital spend. These support the guidance we provided for annualized adjusted free cash flow growth through 2028, which results in approximately 10% growth from 2026 levels.
Michael Chadwick: Looking beyond 2026, we have visible drivers, including gas volume growth, that continue to make up 75% of our revenues, inflation escalators, and lower capital spend that support the guidance we issued through 2028, that results in annualized adjusted free cash flow growth of approximately 10% through 2028 from 2026 levels, generating approximately $1 billion of financial flexibility to continue return of capital to shareholders and pay down debt. This concludes my remarks. We'll be happy to answer any questions. I'll now turn the call over to the operator.
Looking beyond 2026, we have visible drivers, including gas volume growth, that continue to make up 75% of our revenues, inflation escalators, and lower capital spend that support the guidance we issued through 2028, that results in annualized adjusted free cash flow growth of approximately 10% through 2028 from 2026 levels, generating approximately $1 billion of financial flexibility to continue return of capital to shareholders and pay down debt. This concludes my remarks. We'll be happy to answer any questions. I'll now turn the call over to the operator.
Speaker #4: Generating approximately $1 billion of financial flexibility to continue return of capital to shareholders and pay down debt. This concludes my remarks. We'll be happy to answer any questions. I'll now turn the call over to the
Speaker #4: operator. Thank
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Speaker #1: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Doug Irwin from Citi.
Speaker #2: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. I just wanted to start maybe with the balance sheet—you've made a few mentions here of debt repayment, maybe taking more of a priority this year.
Doug Irwin: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. I'm just trying to start maybe with the balance sheet. You've made a few mentions here of debt repayment maybe taking more of a priority this year. Historically, I know you've pointed to about three times leverage being the optimal level for SM. Just curious, is that still the right way to think about it, or are you maybe targeting a lower level today? And if so, could you maybe just provide some more commentary around maybe what drove that decision, and then how that might impact capital allocation decisions here moving forward?
Doug Irwin: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. I'm just trying to start maybe with the balance sheet. You've made a few mentions here of debt repayment maybe taking more of a priority this year. Historically, I know you've pointed to about three times leverage being the optimal level for SM. Just curious, is that still the right way to think about it, or are you maybe targeting a lower level today? And if so, could you maybe just provide some more commentary around maybe what drove that decision, and then how that might impact capital allocation decisions here moving forward?
Speaker #2: Historically, I know you've pointed to about three times leverage being the optimal level for Hess Midstream. I'm just curious, is that still the right way to think about it, or are you maybe targeting a lower level today?
Speaker #2: And if so, could you maybe just provide some more commentary around maybe what drove that decision, and then how that might affect capital allocation decisions here moving forward?
Speaker #3: Can I take that one, Jonathan? So, we plan to use a portion of our free future cash flow after distributions to pay down debt, as the guidance in December indicated.
Michael Chadwick: Can I take that one, Jonathan? We plan to use a portion of our free future cash flow after distributions to pay down debt, as the guidance in December indicated. The conservative financial strategy we're following there is consistent with our volume profile and Chevron's target of 200,000 barrels of oil per day plateau production in the Bakken. We'll still have a balanced strategy that includes the incremental return of capital beyond our 5% annual distribution growth and balance sheet strength. In terms of our 3x leverage, we will expect to naturally delever below the 3x in the next few years. Our EBITDA will grow, but we won't be increasing the absolute level of debt.
Michael Chadwick: Can I take that one, Jonathan? We plan to use a portion of our free future cash flow after distributions to pay down debt, as the guidance in December indicated. The conservative financial strategy we're following there is consistent with our volume profile and Chevron's target of 200,000 barrels of oil per day plateau production in the Bakken. We'll still have a balanced strategy that includes the incremental return of capital beyond our 5% annual distribution growth and balance sheet strength. In terms of our 3x leverage, we will expect to naturally delever below the 3x in the next few years. Our EBITDA will grow, but we won't be increasing the absolute level of debt.
Speaker #3: And the conservative financial strategy we're following there is consistent with our volume profile and Chevron's target of $200,000 per day plateau production and the bargain.
Speaker #3: So, we'll still have a balanced strategy. That includes the incremental return of capital beyond our 5% annual distribution growth, and balance sheet strength.
Speaker #3: So in terms of our three times leverage, we will expect to naturally deliver below the three times in the next few years. Our EBITDA will grow, but we won't be increasing the absolute level of debt.
Speaker #3: So, with some portion of our free cash flow after distributions being used for debt repayment, we expect to deliver below this level of three.
Michael Chadwick: So with some portion of our free cash flow after distributions being used for debt repayment, we expect to delever below this level of 3. As we said in our December guidance release, we're also funding incremental shareholder returns from free cash flow after distributions, rather than leverage buybacks. And so it's just a bit more of a conservative approach that we're following that is in line with our profile and Chevron's target of 200,000 barrels of oil per day plateau. Having said that, we've got significant free cash flow that we see being generated that'll enable both the paydown of debt and further distributions back to shareholders. I don't know, Jonathan, if you wanna add anything there.
So with some portion of our free cash flow after distributions being used for debt repayment, we expect to delever below this level of 3. As we said in our December guidance release, we're also funding incremental shareholder returns from free cash flow after distributions, rather than leverage buybacks. And so it's just a bit more of a conservative approach that we're following that is in line with our profile and Chevron's target of 200,000 barrels of oil per day plateau. Having said that, we've got significant free cash flow that we see being generated that'll enable both the paydown of debt and further distributions back to shareholders. I don't know, Jonathan, if you wanna add anything there.
Speaker #3: As we said in our December guidance release, we're also funding incremental shareholder returns from free cash flow after distributions, rather than leveraging buybacks, and so it's just a bit more of a conservative approach that we're following.
Speaker #3: That is in line with our profile and Chevron's target of $200,000 per day plateau. Having said that, we've got significant free cash flow that we see being generated that'll enable both the paydown of debt and further distributions back to shareholders.
Speaker #3: I don't know, Jonathan, if you want to add anything.
Speaker #3: there. Nope, that was
Operator: Nope, that was great.
Jonathan Stein: Nope, that was great.
Speaker #2: Understood. Thanks for that. And great. Then, a follow-up, maybe just on the third-party outlook. We've heard commentary from at least one big player in the back end talking about scaling back activity in the current crude environment.
Doug Irwin: Understood. Thanks for that. Then a follow-up, maybe just on the third-party outlook. We've heard commentary from at least one big player in the Bakken talking about scaling back activity in the current crude environment. Just curious what you see as the impact to SM there, if at all, and if you could maybe just provide a bit more commentary around what you're hearing from third-party customers in general?
Doug Irwin: Understood. Thanks for that. Then a follow-up, maybe just on the third-party outlook. We've heard commentary from at least one big player in the Bakken talking about scaling back activity in the current crude environment. Just curious what you see as the impact to SM there, if at all, and if you could maybe just provide a bit more commentary around what you're hearing from third-party customers in general?
Speaker #2: Just curious what you see as the impact to Hess Midstream there, if at all, and if you could maybe just provide a bit more commentary around what you're hearing from third-party customers in general.
Michael Chadwick: ... and then I guess tying on to that, I know you mentioned the 200,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day from Chevron, which they've kind of stood by. I guess, is there an environment where that outlook might be at risk in your view, but just based on the discussions you've had with them?
Michael Chadwick: ... and then I guess tying on to that, I know you mentioned the 200,000 barrels of oil equivalent a day from Chevron, which they've kind of stood by. I guess, is there an environment where that outlook might be at risk in your view, but just based on the discussions you've had with them?
Speaker #2: And then I guess tying on to that, I know you mentioned the 200,000 barrel of oil equivalent per day from Chevron, which they've kind of stood by.
Speaker #2: I guess, is there an environment where that outlook might be at risk in your view, just based on the discussions you've had with them?
Speaker #4: Sure. Okay. So, on the third-party, really no change to our outlook there—still expecting 10% on average across oil and gas. Of course, quarter to quarter, that could have some variability if you go back to the third quarter of last year.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Okay, so on the third party, really no change to our outlook there. Still expecting 10% on average across oil and gas. Of course, you know, quarter-to-quarter, that could have, you know, some variability. You know, if you go back to the Q3 of last year, we had probably higher. We did have higher third parties as there was maintenance on Northern Border, and we were able to provide additional optionality for third parties to be able to do additional routes, alternative routes, to get to Northern Border, as well as optionality for other takeaways.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Okay, so on the third party, really no change to our outlook there. Still expecting 10% on average across oil and gas. Of course, you know, quarter-to-quarter, that could have, you know, some variability. You know, if you go back to the Q3 of last year, we had probably higher. We did have higher third parties as there was maintenance on Northern Border, and we were able to provide additional optionality for third parties to be able to do additional routes, alternative routes, to get to Northern Border, as well as optionality for other takeaways.
Speaker #4: We had probably higher. We did have higher third parties, as there was maintenance on Northern Border. And we were able to provide additional optionality for third parties to be able to use additional routes, alternative routes to get to Northern Border, as well as optionality for other takeaways.
Speaker #4: So, from time to time, we may see a little bit more, sometimes a little bit less, but on average, we expect to continue to see 10% third parties as part of our volumes, and no change to that going forward.
Jonathan Stein: So from time to time, we may see a little bit more, sometimes see a little bit less, but on average, we expect to continue to see 10% third party as part of our volumes and no change to that going forward. In terms of the 200,000, I mean, no, no change there. You just heard Chevron recently just Friday on their call, reiterating the 200,000 barrel a day target with continued optimization program. And I think it's important to highlight the guidance that we've given out in terms of the volume guidance and the EBITDA growth through 2028, as well as reduced capital spending with that supports our free cash flow growth over this period is also consistent, you know, with that plan.
So from time to time, we may see a little bit more, sometimes see a little bit less, but on average, we expect to continue to see 10% third party as part of our volumes and no change to that going forward. In terms of the 200,000, I mean, no, no change there. You just heard Chevron recently just Friday on their call, reiterating the 200,000 barrel a day target with continued optimization program. And I think it's important to highlight the guidance that we've given out in terms of the volume guidance and the EBITDA growth through 2028, as well as reduced capital spending with that supports our free cash flow growth over this period is also consistent, you know, with that plan.
Speaker #4: In terms of the $200,000, I mean, no change there. You just heard Chevron recently just Friday on their call, reiterating the $200,000 barrel of a day target, with continued optimization program.
Speaker #4: And I think it's important to highlight the guidance that we've given out in terms of the volume guidance and the EBITDA growth through 2028, as well as the reduced capital spending that supports our free cash flow growth over this period, which is also consistent with that plan.
Speaker #4: So, no change there is expected, and we're continuing to work with Chevron to work through the optimized development program and optimize our volumes as—
Speaker #4: So, no change there expected, and we're continuing to work with Chevron to work through the optimized development program and optimize our volumes as well.
Jonathan Stein: So, no, no change there expected, and we're continuing to, you know, work with Chevron to work through the, optimized development program and optimize, our volumes as well.
So, no, no change there expected, and we're continuing to, you know, work with Chevron to work through the, optimized development program and optimize, our volumes as well.
Michael Chadwick: Understood. Thanks for the time.
Michael Chadwick: Understood. Thanks for the time.
Speaker #2: Understood. time.
Speaker #2: Thanks for the Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonet from J.P. Morgan Securities LLC.
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Speaker #1: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Tonne from JPMorgan Securities.
Speaker #1: LLC. Hey, good morning, everyone.
Elias Jossen: Hey, good morning, everyone. This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to get a sense of growth drivers further out in the forecast horizon in that 2028 timeframe. How much of the outlook is based on cost cutting? And, you know, how does that contribute to the growth outlook? Thanks.
Eli Jossen: Hey, good morning, everyone. This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to get a sense of growth drivers further out in the forecast horizon in that 2028 timeframe. How much of the outlook is based on cost cutting? And, you know, how does that contribute to the growth outlook? Thanks.
Speaker #5: This is Eli on for Jeremy. Just wanted to get a sense of growth drivers further out in the forecast horizon. In that 2028 timeframe, how much of the outlook is based on cost cutting?
Speaker #5: And how does that contribute to the growth outlook? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Sure. Let me just start and say that as we look forward, right, as I just mentioned, the plan that we've given out—the guidance, which includes the EBITDA growth and net income growth, as well as our free cash flow growth—is consistent with the plan that Chevron's laid out.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Let me, let me just start and say that, you know, as we look forward, right, as I just mentioned, the plan that we've given out, the guidance, which includes, the EBITDA growth, the net income growth, as well as our free cash flow growth, is consistent with the plan that, that Chevron's laid out. You know, that growth, in terms of EBITDA, is really driven by, we have inflation escalators, a bit of growth in gas as well, and then the free cash flow growth is, also increasing even more than that as a result of, as a result in reduced capital as we go from our, you know, complete the infrastructure build-out and move to even a lower, capital level going forward.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Let me, let me just start and say that, you know, as we look forward, right, as I just mentioned, the plan that we've given out, the guidance, which includes, the EBITDA growth, the net income growth, as well as our free cash flow growth, is consistent with the plan that, that Chevron's laid out. You know, that growth, in terms of EBITDA, is really driven by, we have inflation escalators, a bit of growth in gas as well, and then the free cash flow growth is, also increasing even more than that as a result of, as a result in reduced capital as we go from our, you know, complete the infrastructure build-out and move to even a lower, capital level going forward.
Speaker #4: That growth in terms of the EBITDA is really driven by inflation escalators, a bit of growth in gas as well. And then the free cash flow growth is also increasing even more than that as a result of the result in reduced capital as we go from our complete the infrastructure build-out and move to even a lower capital level going forward.
Speaker #4: So, down $150 million this year, 40% lower than $75 million in 2017, 2018. So those are really the drivers of the growth. And I think it's important as we think about this long-term and the business plan going forward for Hess Midstream.
Jonathan Stein: So down to $150 million this year, 40% lower than $75 million in 2027, 2028. So those are really the drivers of the growth. And I think, you know, I think it's important as we think about this long term and the business plan going forward for Hess Midstream, you know, we've gone through a period here of transition and gone through a period here of integration with Chevron. And while, you know, many things have changed, and as we've optimized our plan together with Chevron, I think it's also important to highlight, take a moment just to highlight the unique combination of elements that's still a part of our plan.
So down to $150 million this year, 40% lower than $75 million in 2027, 2028. So those are really the drivers of the growth. And I think, you know, I think it's important as we think about this long term and the business plan going forward for Hess Midstream, you know, we've gone through a period here of transition and gone through a period here of integration with Chevron. And while, you know, many things have changed, and as we've optimized our plan together with Chevron, I think it's also important to highlight, take a moment just to highlight the unique combination of elements that's still a part of our plan.
Speaker #4: We've gone through a period here of transition and gone through a period here of integration with Chevron. And while many things have changed, and as we've optimized our plan together with Chevron, I think it's also important to take a moment just to highlight the unique combination of elements that's still a part of our plan.
Speaker #4: That includes significant free cash flow generation, leveraging the historical spend with significantly lower capital that I just talked about, and that's driving that 10% free cash flow growth through 2028.
Jonathan Stein: That includes significant free cash flow generation, leveraging the historical spend with significantly lower capital that I just talked about, that's driving that 10% free cash flow growth through 2028. We have distributions that are continued to target to grow at 5% per share annually, fully funded by free cash flow, and able to achieve that growth even at MVC levels. And we have significant free cash flow after distributions that supports, as Mike said, both incremental shareholder returns and balance sheet strength. And all of this is consistent, as we said, with Chevron's development plan that targets 200,000 BOE per day, with continuing opportunities for optimization, as well as 95% MVC revenue protection this year in 2026, and 90% MVC revenue protection in 2027.
That includes significant free cash flow generation, leveraging the historical spend with significantly lower capital that I just talked about, that's driving that 10% free cash flow growth through 2028. We have distributions that are continued to target to grow at 5% per share annually, fully funded by free cash flow, and able to achieve that growth even at MVC levels. And we have significant free cash flow after distributions that supports, as Mike said, both incremental shareholder returns and balance sheet strength. And all of this is consistent, as we said, with Chevron's development plan that targets 200,000 BOE per day, with continuing opportunities for optimization, as well as 95% MVC revenue protection this year in 2026, and 90% MVC revenue protection in 2027.
Speaker #4: We have distributions that have continued to target to grow at 5% per share annually, fully funded by free cash flow and able to achieve that growth even at MVC levels.
Speaker #4: And we have significant free cash flow after distributions that supports, as Mike said, both incremental shareholder returns and balance sheet strength.
Speaker #4: And all of this is consistent, as we said, with Chevron's development plan that targets 200,000 BOE per day, with continuing opportunities for optimization, as well as 95% MVC revenue protection this year and in 2026, and 90% MVC revenue protection in 2027.
Speaker #4: So we've talked a lot about changes as a result of transition, but I think it's important to highlight that we continue to have the elements of visibility and consistency to shareholder returns and balance sheet strength that have been, and continue to be, the hallmark of Hess Midstream—and really, a differentiator in the strategy.
Jonathan Stein: So you know, we've talked a lot about changes as a result of transition, but I think it's important to highlight that we continue to have the elements of visibility and consistency, the shareholder returns and balance sheet strength, that have been and continue to be the hallmark of Hess Midstream and really a differentiator in the strategy. So when we talk about the long term, for Hess Midstream, while things have changed, it's really a lot more of the same unique combination that has always been our hallmark.
So you know, we've talked a lot about changes as a result of transition, but I think it's important to highlight that we continue to have the elements of visibility and consistency, the shareholder returns and balance sheet strength, that have been and continue to be the hallmark of Hess Midstream and really a differentiator in the strategy. So when we talk about the long term, for Hess Midstream, while things have changed, it's really a lot more of the same unique combination that has always been our hallmark.
Speaker #4: So, when we talk about the long-term for Hess Midstream, while things have changed, it's really a lot more of the same unique combination that has always been our hallmark.
Speaker #5: Got it. That's great color, thanks. And then, maybe just to pick up on some of the remarks you made about CapEx just there, how low could we see CapEx actually be flexed?
Elias Jossen: Got it. That's great color. Thanks. And then maybe just to pick up on some of the remarks you made about CapEx just there. You know, how low could we see CapEx actually be flexed? I think you've given some parameters around it, but just get a sense of, you know, how low that could get. Thanks.
Eli Jossen: Got it. That's great color. Thanks. And then maybe just to pick up on some of the remarks you made about CapEx just there. You know, how low could we see CapEx actually be flexed? I think you've given some parameters around it, but just get a sense of, you know, how low that could get. Thanks.
Speaker #5: I think you've given some parameters around it, but just to get a sense of how low that could get. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Mike, you want to start?
Jonathan Stein: Mike, you want to start?
Jonathan Stein: Mike, you want to start?
Speaker #5: Yeah, sure. So, in the first quarter, we're expecting CapEx, as I said in my remarks, to be lower than the fourth quarter. And we've guided $150 million for 2026, and $25 million of that is for completing the compression and gathering pipeline build-out.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah, sure. So in Q1, you know, we're expecting CapEx, as I said in my remarks, to be lower than Q4. And, you know, we've guided $150 million for 2026, and $25 million of that is for completing the compression and gathering pipeline build-out. And then we've got about another $125 million for the gathering systems in well connects and maintenance. We've guided that in 2027 and 2028, we expect to be about $75 million, if not lower. And, you know, this is a trend that is following the reset that we said earlier, about 2026, following the rigs coming down from 4 to 3 from Chevron. And, you know, it's consistent with that plan. Jonathan, I don't know if you want to add any further color around that?
Michael Chadwick: Yeah, sure. So in Q1, you know, we're expecting CapEx, as I said in my remarks, to be lower than Q4. And, you know, we've guided $150 million for 2026, and $25 million of that is for completing the compression and gathering pipeline build-out. And then we've got about another $125 million for the gathering systems in well connects and maintenance. We've guided that in 2027 and 2028, we expect to be about $75 million, if not lower. And, you know, this is a trend that is following the reset that we said earlier, about 2026, following the rigs coming down from 4 to 3 from Chevron. And, you know, it's consistent with that plan. Jonathan, I don't know if you want to add any further color around that?
Speaker #5: And then we've got about another $125 million for the gathering systems and well connects and maintenance. We've guided that in 2027 and 2028. We expect it to be about $75 million, if not lower.
Speaker #5: And this is a trend that is following the reset that we said earlier about 2026, following the rigs coming down from four to three from Chevron.
Speaker #5: And it's consistent with that plan. Don't know if you want to add any further color around, Jonathan, I
Speaker #5: That—yeah, the one thing I would just add
Jonathan Stein: Yeah. The one, the one thing I would just add is, you know, there's been a lot of discussion. Obviously, we're, as we've kind of gotten to the end here of our big build-out, you know, we've really spent years building out our gathering and compression system. And just a couple of things to highlight. First is, our ability now to go to this lower CapEx level, you know, really leveraging the historic investment. You know, first is a function of the partnership that we have, the tight integration that we have with Chevron, that historically with Hess and now with Chevron, that allows us, it has allowed us to optimize our upstream and midstream investments, so we don't overbuild and overinvest.
Jonathan Stein: Yeah. The one, the one thing I would just add is, you know, there's been a lot of discussion. Obviously, we're, as we've kind of gotten to the end here of our big build-out, you know, we've really spent years building out our gathering and compression system. And just a couple of things to highlight. First is, our ability now to go to this lower CapEx level, you know, really leveraging the historic investment. You know, first is a function of the partnership that we have, the tight integration that we have with Chevron, that historically with Hess and now with Chevron, that allows us, it has allowed us to optimize our upstream and midstream investments, so we don't overbuild and overinvest.
Speaker #4: There's been a lot of discussion, obviously, where as we've kind of gotten to the end here of our big build-out, we've really spent years building out our gathering and compression system.
Speaker #4: And just a couple of things to highlight. First is our ability now to go to this lower CapEx level, really leveraging their Stark investment.
Speaker #4: First, it is a function of the partnership that we have, the tight integration that we have with Chevron. That, historically with Hess and now with Chevron, allows us—and has allowed us—to optimize our upstream and midstream investments so we don't overbuild and overinvest.
Jonathan Stein: And that's the result of that, is one of the best EBITDA build multiples in the sector. The second thing I would say is that, as Chevron talked about the development plan and optimizing the plan, that is also driving, of course, lower CapEx for us. And, you know, one of the things, just as, as an example, you know, as you heard Chevron talk about having, increasing percentage of longer laterals. So if you think about that from our point of view, longer laterals, you know, not only make the wells more economic, so, you know, significantly increasing the breakeven, but also, in general, produce essentially the same volume, but with less wells, reducing our well connect capital requirements. So also, a very positive effect there. So all that means that, you know, we can really continue to see this downtrend.
Speaker #4: And the result of that is one of the best EBITDA build multiples in the sector. The second thing I would say is that, as Chevron talked about the development plan and optimizing the plan, that is also driving, of course, lower CapEx for us.
And that's the result of that, is one of the best EBITDA build multiples in the sector. The second thing I would say is that, as Chevron talked about the development plan and optimizing the plan, that is also driving, of course, lower CapEx for us. And, you know, one of the things, just as, as an example, you know, as you heard Chevron talk about having, increasing percentage of longer laterals. So if you think about that from our point of view, longer laterals, you know, not only make the wells more economic, so, you know, significantly increasing the breakeven, but also, in general, produce essentially the same volume, but with less wells, reducing our well connect capital requirements. So also, a very positive effect there. So all that means that, you know, we can really continue to see this downtrend.
Speaker #4: And one of the things, just as an example, as you heard Chevron talk about, having an increasing percentage of longer laterals. So, if you think about that from our point of view—longer laterals not only make the wells more economic, so significantly increasing the break-even, but also in general, produce essentially the same volume but with fewer wells, reducing our well connect capital requirements.
Speaker #4: So, also a very positive effect there. So all that means that we can really continue to see this downtrend this year. We have a little bit left to do in terms of pipeline build-out at $150 million, still 40% less than last year.
Jonathan Stein: This year, we have a little bit left to do in terms of pipeline build-out at $150 million, still 40% less than last year. And then we're moving down to a much lower level at that, less than $75 million on an ongoing basis, as we really just have ongoing capital going forward to support the system and drive the significant free cash flow that comes out of this business model. Great, thanks for all the color. I'll leave it there.
This year, we have a little bit left to do in terms of pipeline build-out at $150 million, still 40% less than last year. And then we're moving down to a much lower level at that, less than $75 million on an ongoing basis, as we really just have ongoing capital going forward to support the system and drive the significant free cash flow that comes out of this business model. Great, thanks for all the color. I'll leave it there.
Speaker #4: And then we're moving down to a much lower level at less than $75 million on an ongoing basis, as we really just have ongoing capital going forward to support the system and drive the significant free cash flow that comes out of this business model.
Speaker #5: Great. Thanks for all the color. I'll leave it there.
Speaker #1: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John McKay from Goldman Sachs.
Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Mackay from Goldman Sachs and Company.
Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of John Mackay from Goldman Sachs and Company.
Speaker #1: Company. Hey, good morning,
John Mackay: Hey, good morning, team. Thanks for the time. I think a lot of them have been answered. I wanna just zoom in a little bit more on the weather piece, though. Is there any, you know, way you can kind of give us a snapshot of what you're seeing on the ground right now? Particularly, are you seeing, you know, some of the issues we've seen in past years with power down, et cetera? Or, you know, once the weather starts to improve a little bit, once the temperatures start to improve a little bit, should we start to see production coming back online? Maybe just frame it for us relative to maybe some prior years.
John Mackay: Hey, good morning, team. Thanks for the time. I think a lot of them have been answered. I wanna just zoom in a little bit more on the weather piece, though. Is there any, you know, way you can kind of give us a snapshot of what you're seeing on the ground right now? Particularly, are you seeing, you know, some of the issues we've seen in past years with power down, et cetera? Or, you know, once the weather starts to improve a little bit, once the temperatures start to improve a little bit, should we start to see production coming back online? Maybe just frame it for us relative to maybe some prior years.
Speaker #6: I want to just zoom in a little bit more on team. Thanks for the time. I think a lot of them have been answered.
Speaker #6: The weather piece, though— is there any way you can kind of give us a snapshot of what you're seeing on the ground right now? Particularly, are you seeing some of the issues we've seen in past years with power down, etc.? Or, once the weather starts to improve a little bit, once the temperatures start to improve a little bit, should we start to see production coming back online?
Speaker #6: Maybe just frame it for us relative to maybe some prior years.
Speaker #4: Sure. Yeah, I don't think this is—you think back a few years ago, where we had the significant power lines down across the state, and that really went on for the first half of the year.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Yeah, I don't think this is. You know, you think back a few years ago where we had, you know, the significant power, you know, power lines down across the state, and, you know, that really went on for, you know, the first half of the year. We're really just seeing, you know, significantly extreme cold weather, you know, some snow, but really the cold, which has an impact on our system, across the board, and so particularly on the gas side. So, you know, that I think as we do start to see improving weather, certainly that would be helpful and that, you know, allows more activity to occur and also just to begin the recovery, in terms of, getting more, you know, production online and getting our-- making our system, optimizing it back again.
Jonathan Stein: Sure. Yeah, I don't think this is. You know, you think back a few years ago where we had, you know, the significant power, you know, power lines down across the state, and, you know, that really went on for, you know, the first half of the year. We're really just seeing, you know, significantly extreme cold weather, you know, some snow, but really the cold, which has an impact on our system, across the board, and so particularly on the gas side. So, you know, that I think as we do start to see improving weather, certainly that would be helpful and that, you know, allows more activity to occur and also just to begin the recovery, in terms of, getting more, you know, production online and getting our-- making our system, optimizing it back again.
Speaker #4: We're really just seeing significantly extreme cold weather—some snow, but really the cold—which has an impact on our system across the board, and so particularly on the gas side.
Speaker #4: So that, I think, as we do start to see improving weather, certainly that would be helpful, and that allows more activity to occur and also just to begin the recovery in terms of getting more production online and getting our system, optimizing it back again.
Speaker #4: So, we do still have in our, as we mentioned, contingencies in the, I'd say, the weather has continued certainly all through the month of January, and a bit here into February, just getting started.
Jonathan Stein: So, we do still have in our, as we mentioned, contingencies, you know, in the, I'd say, the weather has continued certainly all through the month of January and a bit here into February, just getting started. You know, we have continuing contingencies in our forecast, in our guidance, you know, for the rest of the winter. But certainly, you know, as we come out of the winter, we certainly, as we talked about, we expect to see increasing volumes seasonally as we get into Q2 and Q3. I don't know if, Mike, you wanna just talk about the, the-
So, we do still have in our, as we mentioned, contingencies, you know, in the, I'd say, the weather has continued certainly all through the month of January and a bit here into February, just getting started. You know, we have continuing contingencies in our forecast, in our guidance, you know, for the rest of the winter. But certainly, you know, as we come out of the winter, we certainly, as we talked about, we expect to see increasing volumes seasonally as we get into Q2 and Q3. I don't know if, Mike, you wanna just talk about the, the-
Speaker #4: We have continued contingencies in our forecast, in our guidance for the rest of the winter. But certainly, as we come out of the winter, we're certainly, as we talked about, we expect to see increasing volumes seasonally as we get into the second and third quarter.
Speaker #4: I don't know if, Mike, you want to just talk about the deepening for the rest of the year?
Michael Chadwick: Yeah.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah.
Jonathan Stein: Something of the year, the rest of the year?
Jonathan Stein: Something of the year, the rest of the year?
Speaker #5: Yeah, I think, as Jonathan said in his opening remarks, that we're going to see the first half of the year's volumes lower than the second half.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah, I think we, you know, as Jonathan said in his opening remarks, that we're gonna see the first half of the year's volumes lower than the second half, so there'll be a pickup in the second half of the year. One thing I'd highlight, though, is obviously we're at 95% coverage with our MVCs, so there's a floor. You know, if production were to be lower, we've got 95% covered with MVCs, and that translates into 2027 as well, at 90%, you know, before getting to 80% in 2028. So there's good protection for a mini downside. You know, in terms of phasing, as Jonathan's described, you know, Q1, we've been, you know, hit by the weather, and we'll be recovering from that.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah, I think we, you know, as Jonathan said in his opening remarks, that we're gonna see the first half of the year's volumes lower than the second half, so there'll be a pickup in the second half of the year. One thing I'd highlight, though, is obviously we're at 95% coverage with our MVCs, so there's a floor. You know, if production were to be lower, we've got 95% covered with MVCs, and that translates into 2027 as well, at 90%, you know, before getting to 80% in 2028. So there's good protection for a mini downside. You know, in terms of phasing, as Jonathan's described, you know, Q1, we've been, you know, hit by the weather, and we'll be recovering from that.
Speaker #5: So there'll be a pickup in the second half of the year. One thing I'd highlight, though, is obviously we're at 95% coverage with our MVCs.
Speaker #5: So, there's a flaw if production were to be lower—we've got 95% covered with MVCs. And that translates into 2027 as well, at 90%, before getting to 80% in 2028.
Speaker #5: So, there’s good protection for a mini downside. In terms of phasing, as Jonathan’s described, first quarter, we’ve been hit by the weather and we’ll be recovering from that.
Speaker #5: Second and third quarters—typically better months—and we'll get more production from that. And then, the fourth quarter, we typically dial in some conservatism because we start getting back into winter weather again.
Michael Chadwick: Second and third quarters are typically better months, and we'll get more production from that. And then the fourth quarter, we typically dial in some conservatism, because we start getting back into winter weather again. And the OpEx again there as well will have an element of reduced, yeah, and that's just phasing, seasonal phasing.
Second and third quarters are typically better months, and we'll get more production from that. And then the fourth quarter, we typically dial in some conservatism, because we start getting back into winter weather again. And the OpEx again there as well will have an element of reduced, yeah, and that's just phasing, seasonal phasing.
Speaker #5: And the OPEX, again, there as well will have an element of reduced, and that's just phasing—seasonal phasing.
Speaker #6: That's great. I appreciate all the color. Super quick, second one for me—just following up on Doug's question. And apologies if I missed it.
John Mackay: That's great. Appreciate all the color. Super quick second one for me, just following up on, on Doug's question, and apologies if I missed it, but do you guys have a kind of longer-term leverage target in mind now specifically? Or is it just a, "Hey, we expected kind of, you know, put some more cash towards that over time and, and delever as, as EBITDA grows?" I'm just trying to think if you have a new target.
John Mackay: That's great. Appreciate all the color. Super quick second one for me, just following up on, on Doug's question, and apologies if I missed it, but do you guys have a kind of longer-term leverage target in mind now specifically? Or is it just a, "Hey, we expected kind of, you know, put some more cash towards that over time and, and delever as, as EBITDA grows?" I'm just trying to think if you have a new target.
Speaker #6: But do you guys have a kind of longer-term leverage target in mind now specifically? Or is it just, say, 'Hey, we expect to kind of put some more cash towards that over time and delever as EBITDA grows?'
Speaker #6: I'm just trying to think if you have
Speaker #6: a new target. Yeah.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah. Yeah, I think what we're planning to do over the next three years with our free cash flow after distributions is just use that to both strengthen the balance sheet by delevering, by paying down debt, and including that as part of our fundamental, you know, incremental shareholder returns. So it's not a designed level that we wanna get to. It's just gonna naturally occur, that as EBITDA starts to build up, as we don't increase the absolute level of debt, and as we include some free cash flow towards paying down debt, our 3x, you know, our 3x leverage is naturally gonna delever. But there's no specific target we're gonna get to.
Michael Chadwick: Yeah. Yeah, I think what we're planning to do over the next three years with our free cash flow after distributions is just use that to both strengthen the balance sheet by delevering, by paying down debt, and including that as part of our fundamental, you know, incremental shareholder returns. So it's not a designed level that we wanna get to. It's just gonna naturally occur, that as EBITDA starts to build up, as we don't increase the absolute level of debt, and as we include some free cash flow towards paying down debt, our 3x, you know, our 3x leverage is naturally gonna delever. But there's no specific target we're gonna get to.
Speaker #5: Yeah, I think what we're planning to do over the next three years with our free cash flow after distributions is just use that to both strengthen the balance sheet by delivering, by paying down debt, and including that as part of our fundamental incremental shareholder returns.
Speaker #5: So, it's not a designed level that we want to get to. It's just going to naturally occur that, as EBITDA starts to build back up, as we don't increase the absolute level of debt, and as we include some free cash flow toward paying down debt, our 3%—or three times—leverage is naturally going to deliver.
Speaker #5: But there's no specific target we're going to get to. One of the key things that Jonathan's highlighted, obviously, is the free cash flow that we expect to generate over the next three years.
Michael Chadwick: One of the key things that Jonathan's highlighted, obviously, is the free cash flow that we expect to generate over the next three years, and that's gonna be substantial in the context of being able to fund not only our growth of 5% on distributions within the MVCs, but also to pay down debt, and also provide shareholder returns, you know, over the next few years, supported by our strong MVC position.
One of the key things that Jonathan's highlighted, obviously, is the free cash flow that we expect to generate over the next three years, and that's gonna be substantial in the context of being able to fund not only our growth of 5% on distributions within the MVCs, but also to pay down debt, and also provide shareholder returns, you know, over the next few years, supported by our strong MVC position.
Speaker #5: And that's going to be substantial in the context of being able to fund not only our growth of 5% on distributions within the MVCs, but also to pay down debt and also provide shareholder returns.
Speaker #5: Over the next three years, supported by our strong MVC position.
John Mackay: All right. Got it. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it.
John Mackay: All right. Got it. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it.
Speaker #6: Got it. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Michael Chadwick: Thank you.
Michael Chadwick: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. At this time, there are no further questions. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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