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Q4 2025 Silgan Holdings Inc Earnings Call
Operator: Please stand by. Your conference is about to begin. Good day, and welcome to the Silgan Holdings Q4 2025 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Alex Hutter, Senior Vice President, Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Operator: Please stand by. Your conference is about to begin. Good day, and welcome to the Silgan Holdings Q4 2025 Earnings Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Alex Hutter, Senior Vice President, Strategy and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Please stand by. Your conference is about to begin. Good day and welcome
Speaker #1: quarter 2025 earnings call. recorded. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Alex Hutter, Senior Vice President, Strategy and Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go
Speaker #2: Thank you and good morning. Joining me on the
Alexander Hutter: Thank you, and good morning. Joining me on the call today are Adam Greenlee, President and CEO; Philippe Chevrier, EVP and COO; Shawn Fabry, EVP and CFO; and Bob Lewis, EVP, Corporate Development and Administration. Before we begin the call today, we would like to make it clear that certain statements made on this conference call may be forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are made based upon management's expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and therefore involve a number of uncertainties and risks, including, but not limited to, those described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for 2024 and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements.
Alexander Hutter: Thank you, and good morning. Joining me on the call today are Adam Greenlee, President and CEO; Philippe Chevrier, EVP and COO; Shawn Fabry, EVP and CFO; and Bob Lewis, EVP, Corporate Development and Administration. Before we begin the call today, we would like to make it clear that certain statements made on this conference call may be forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are made based upon management's expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and therefore involve a number of uncertainties and risks, including, but not limited to, those described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for 2024 and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: call today are Adam Greenlee, President and CEO, Philippe Chevrier, EVP and ahead. COO, Sean Fabry, EVP and CFO, and Bob Lewis, EVP Corporate Development and Administration.
Speaker #2: today, we would like to make it clear that certain Before we begin the call statements made on this conference call may be forward-looking statements.
Speaker #2: forward-looking statements are made based upon These management's expectations and beliefs concerning future events impacting the company and therefore involve a number of uncertainties and risks, including but not limited to those described in the annuals in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for 2024 and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker #2: Therefore, the actual results of operations or financial condition of the company could differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements. In addition, commentary on today's call may contain references to certain non-GAAP financial metrics, including adjusted EBIT, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted diluted EPS, adjusted free cash flow, and adjusted net income per share.
Alexander Hutter: In addition, commentary on today's call may contain references to certain non-GAAP financial metrics, including adjusted EBIT, adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow, and adjusted net income per diluted share or adjusted EPS. A reconciliation of these metrics, which should not be considered substitutes for similar GAAP metrics, can be found in today's press release and under the Non-GAAP Financial Information portion of the Investor Relations section of our website at silganholdings.com. With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Alexander Hutter: In addition, commentary on today's call may contain references to certain non-GAAP financial metrics, including adjusted EBIT, adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow, and adjusted net income per diluted share or adjusted EPS. A reconciliation of these metrics, which should not be considered substitutes for similar GAAP metrics, can be found in today's press release and under the Non-GAAP Financial Information portion of the Investor Relations section of our website at silganholdings.com. With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Speaker #2: A reconciliation of these metrics, similar GAAP metrics, can be found in today's press release and under the non-GAAP financial information portion of the investor relations section of our website at silganholdings.com.
Speaker #2: With that, let me turn it over to Adam.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Alex. And we'd like to welcome everyone to SILGAN's fourth quarter earnings call. Before we begin our discussion on our fourth quarter and full year results
Adam Greenlee: Thank you, Alex, and we'd like to welcome everyone to Silgan's Q4 earnings call. Before we begin our discussion on our Q4 and full year results and our outlook for 2026, I want to welcome Shawn Fabry, who was promoted to CFO in November, to the call. Shawn joined the company through the Ipec Closures acquisition in 2010 and has served in senior finance roles in each of our operating segments, and most recently on our corporate development team. Shawn brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to his new role that I know will make him and our company successful well into the future. Shawn's looking forward to meeting our analysts and investors in the coming quarters, so please join me in welcoming Shawn to the call.
Adam Greenlee: Thank you, Alex, and we'd like to welcome everyone to Silgan's Q4 earnings call. Before we begin our discussion on our Q4 and full year results and our outlook for 2026, I want to welcome Shawn Fabry, who was promoted to CFO in November, to the call. Shawn joined the company through the Ipec Closures acquisition in 2010 and has served in senior finance roles in each of our operating segments, and most recently on our corporate development team. Shawn brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to his new role that I know will make him and our company successful well into the future. Shawn's looking forward to meeting our analysts and investors in the coming quarters, so please join me in welcoming Shawn to the call.
Speaker #3: was promoted to CFO in November to the call. Sean joined the company through the IPEC Closures Acquisition in 2010 and has served in senior finance roles in each of our operating segments.
Speaker #3: And most recently on our corporate development, which should not be considered substitutes for his new role that I know will make him and our company successful well into the future.
Speaker #3: Sean's looking forward to meeting I want to welcome Sean Fabry, who our analysts and investors in the coming quarters, so please join me in welcoming Sean to the call.
Adam Greenlee: I also would like to take a moment to thank Bob Lewis, who informed the company of his decision to retire at the end of March, for his over 21 years of steadfast commitment to our company. Since Bob joined the company in 2004, our sales have nearly tripled, and our stock price has appreciated over 7 times, representing a 10% compound annual growth rate. And Bob's leadership in our finance and corporate development efforts have contributed meaningfully to our growth and value creation. He's been a trusted and valued partner to me, our executive team, and to our advisors, and we wish Bob all the same success as he enters his retirement. Moving now to our results.
Adam Greenlee: I also would like to take a moment to thank Bob Lewis, who informed the company of his decision to retire at the end of March, for his over 21 years of steadfast commitment to our company. Since Bob joined the company in 2004, our sales have nearly tripled, and our stock price has appreciated over 7 times, representing a 10% compound annual growth rate. And Bob's leadership in our finance and corporate development efforts have contributed meaningfully to our growth and value creation. He's been a trusted and valued partner to me, our executive team, and to our advisors, and we wish Bob all the same success as he enters his retirement. Moving now to our results.
Speaker #3: moment to thank Bob Lewis, who informed the company of his decision to retire at the end of March for his over 21 years of steadfast commitment to our I also would like to take a company.
Speaker #3: Since Bob joined the company in 2004, our sales have nearly tripled and our stock price has appreciated over seven times, representing a 10% compound annual growth rate.
Speaker #3: And Bob's leadership in our finance and corporate development efforts have contributed meaningfully to our growth and value creation. He's been a trusted and valued partner to me, our executive team, and to our advisors, and we wish Bob all the same success as he enters his retirement.
Speaker #3: results. Our team continued to show Moving now to our exceptional focus and determination in 2025 as our business navigated evolving consumer spending trends throughout the year that created a more challenging operating environment for our customers and our company.
Adam Greenlee: Our team continued to show exceptional focus and determination in 2025 as our business navigated evolving consumer spending trends throughout the year that created a more challenging operating environment for our customers and our company. We delivered our second highest adjusted earnings and free cash flow in the history of the company, returned approximately $160 million in capital to our shareholders, and returned to within our target leverage range just over a year after closing the Wagner acquisition. We made significant progress towards our strategic goals in 2025 as we successfully integrated the Wagner acquisition, continued to outpace the market and our peers in target organic growth products and end markets, and completed our multiyear cost savings program as expected.
Adam Greenlee: Our team continued to show exceptional focus and determination in 2025 as our business navigated evolving consumer spending trends throughout the year that created a more challenging operating environment for our customers and our company. We delivered our second highest adjusted earnings and free cash flow in the history of the company, returned approximately $160 million in capital to our shareholders, and returned to within our target leverage range just over a year after closing the Wagner acquisition. We made significant progress towards our strategic goals in 2025 as we successfully integrated the Wagner acquisition, continued to outpace the market and our peers in target organic growth products and end markets, and completed our multiyear cost savings program as expected.
Speaker #3: We delivered our second highest adjusted earnings and free cash flow in the history of the company. Returned approximately 160 million in capital to our shareholders and returned to within our target leverage range just over a year after closing the Vayner acquisition.
Speaker #3: We made significant progress towards our strategic goals in 2025 as we successfully integrated the Vayner acquisition, continued to outpace the market and our peers in target organic growth products and end markets, and completed our multi-year cost savings program as our unique operating model and our customer partnerships.
Adam Greenlee: We continue to validate the success of our unique operating model and our customer partnerships and are being rewarded in the market with new business opportunities and awards as a result of our unmatched focus, operational excellence, market-leading innovation, and relentless efforts to provide the best total value solutions to our customers. Our Dispensing and Specialty Closures segment, which now represents over half of our Adjusted EBITDA, delivered another year of record sales, Adjusted EBIT, and Adjusted EBITDA, with continued EBITDA margin expansion and significant free cash flow generation. With the Wagner acquisition now fully integrated and our run rate synergies fully achieved, the business is positioned to continue to achieve organic growth well in excess of our peers as we continue to win an outsized proportion of new product launches in the market....
Adam Greenlee: We continue to validate the success of our unique operating model and our customer partnerships and are being rewarded in the market with new business opportunities and awards as a result of our unmatched focus, operational excellence, market-leading innovation, and relentless efforts to provide the best total value solutions to our customers. Our Dispensing and Specialty Closures segment, which now represents over half of our Adjusted EBITDA, delivered another year of record sales, Adjusted EBIT, and Adjusted EBITDA, with continued EBITDA margin expansion and significant free cash flow generation. With the Wagner acquisition now fully integrated and our run rate synergies fully achieved, the business is positioned to continue to achieve organic growth well in excess of our peers as we continue to win an outsized proportion of new product launches in the market....
Speaker #3: being rewarded in the market with new business expected. We continued to validate the success of opportunities and awards as a result of our unmatched focus, operational excellence, market-leading innovation, and relentless efforts to provide the best total value solutions to our customers.
Speaker #3: Our dispensing and specially closure segment, which now represents over half of our adjusted EBITDA, delivered another year of record sales, adjusted EBIT, and adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #3: continued EBITDA margin expansion With and significant free cash flow generation. With the Vayner acquisition now fully integrated and our run rate synergies fully achieved, the business is positioned to continue to achieve organic growth well and excess of our peers as we continue to win an outsized proportion of new product launches in the market.
Speaker #3: The combined innovation engine of these two market leading businesses has already yielded additional contractual business wins and the business pipeline and dispensing products continues to accelerate.
Adam Greenlee: The combined innovation engine of these two market-leading businesses has already yielded additional contractual business wins, and the business pipeline and dispensing products continues to accelerate. While 2025 included some unforeseen challenges, our team adapted during the year to the changing landscape, and more importantly, have used the learnings from 2025 to further strengthen our processes that will help the businesses operate and serve their markets in an even more agile and adaptive way in the future. Our Metal Containers business delivered another year of positive earnings and volume trends, with 4% growth in volumes, led by 7% growth in pet food products.
Adam Greenlee: The combined innovation engine of these two market-leading businesses has already yielded additional contractual business wins, and the business pipeline and dispensing products continues to accelerate. While 2025 included some unforeseen challenges, our team adapted during the year to the changing landscape, and more importantly, have used the learnings from 2025 to further strengthen our processes that will help the businesses operate and serve their markets in an even more agile and adaptive way in the future. Our Metal Containers business delivered another year of positive earnings and volume trends, with 4% growth in volumes, led by 7% growth in pet food products.
Speaker #3: While 2025 included some unforeseen challenges, our team adapted during the year to the changing landscape and, more importantly, to further strengthen our processes, that will help the businesses operate and serve their markets in an even more agile and adaptive way in the future.
Speaker #3: While 2025 included some unforeseen challenges, our team adapted during the year to the changing landscape and, more importantly, to further strengthen our processes, that will help the businesses operate and serve their markets in an even more agile and adaptive way in have used the learnings from 2025 Our metal containers business delivered another year of positive earnings and volume trends, with 4% growth in in pet food products.
Speaker #3: While our volumes led by 7% growth business was faced with a very challenging long-term customers during the circumstance, as one of our year, our team's protecting our business ahead of this focus our teams were focused on outcome and were diligently to nearly fully offset the secondary impact of this customer exiting certain markets.
Adam Greenlee: While our business was faced with a very challenging circumstance as one of our long-term customers during the year, our teams were focused on protecting our business ahead of this outcome and worked diligently to nearly fully offset the secondary impact of this customer exiting certain markets. More importantly, with the most recently announced developments with this customer, we believe we are uniquely positioned to continue to supply this business in the future, and at this time, do not anticipate any further impact from this situation. In Custom Containers, our teams continue to build on our commercial success, and despite significant destocking in personal and home care products in the fourth quarter, delivered a record year of profitability, driven by our cost reduction programs and continued commercial successes.
Adam Greenlee: While our business was faced with a very challenging circumstance as one of our long-term customers during the year, our teams were focused on protecting our business ahead of this outcome and worked diligently to nearly fully offset the secondary impact of this customer exiting certain markets. More importantly, with the most recently announced developments with this customer, we believe we are uniquely positioned to continue to supply this business in the future, and at this time, do not anticipate any further impact from this situation. In Custom Containers, our teams continue to build on our commercial success, and despite significant destocking in personal and home care products in the fourth quarter, delivered a record year of profitability, driven by our cost reduction programs and continued commercial successes.
Speaker #3: More importantly, with the recently announced developments with this customer, we believe we are uniquely positioned to continue to supply this business in the future and, at this time, do not anticipate any further impact from this situation.
Speaker #3: And custom containers, our teams continue to build on our commercial success. And despite significant destocking in personal and home care products in the fourth quarter, we delivered a record year of profitability driven by our cost reduction programs and continued commercial successes.
Speaker #3: Our adjusted EBIT and EBITDA margins expanded by 150 basis points to a level well above the target we laid out about a decade ago.
Adam Greenlee: Our adjusted EBIT and EBITDA margins expanded by 150 basis points to a level well above the target we laid out about a decade ago, and the business is now in a strong position to transition into an accelerated growth phase over the next several years. Our team continues to demonstrate and validate our unique position in this market, and despite being a smaller scale than some of our competitors, the levels of service we provide, new product innovation, and the value of our long-term customer partnerships create significant opportunity to deliver organic growth in this business. As we turn our focus to 2026, we continue to see significant opportunities to grow our company, both organically and inorganically.
Adam Greenlee: Our adjusted EBIT and EBITDA margins expanded by 150 basis points to a level well above the target we laid out about a decade ago, and the business is now in a strong position to transition into an accelerated growth phase over the next several years. Our team continues to demonstrate and validate our unique position in this market, and despite being a smaller scale than some of our competitors, the levels of service we provide, new product innovation, and the value of our long-term customer partnerships create significant opportunity to deliver organic growth in this business. As we turn our focus to 2026, we continue to see significant opportunities to grow our company, both organically and inorganically.
Speaker #3: And the business is now in a strong position to transition into an accelerated growth phase over the next several years. Our team continues to demonstrate and validate our unique position in this market.
Speaker #3: And despite being a smaller scale than some of our competitors, the levels of service we provide, new product innovation, and the value of our long-term customer partnerships create significant opportunity to deliver organic growth in this business.
Speaker #3: As we turn our focus to 2026, we continue to see significant company both organically and inorganically. Our teams remain focused, our strategic initiatives continue to bear fruit, our balance sheet is opportunities to grow our within our target leverage range, and we believe the opportunities for significant value creation for shareholders in 2026 and beyond remain as compelling as at any time in our history.
Adam Greenlee: Our teams remain focused, our strategic initiatives continue to bear fruit, our balance sheet is within our target leverage range, and we believe the opportunities for significant value creation for shareholders in 2026 and beyond remain as compelling as at any time in our history. At the segment level, we are expecting Dispensing and Specialty Closures organic volumes to grow by a low to mid-single-digit rate in 2026, driven by another year of growth in our dispensing products and improved mix. We expect Metal Containers volumes to grow by a low single-digit percentage, driven primarily by another year of mid-single-digit growth in pet food. In Custom Containers, after a record year of profitability, volumes are expected to be flat, as Q1 is expected to see some continued but limited impact from customer destocking.
Adam Greenlee: Our teams remain focused, our strategic initiatives continue to bear fruit, our balance sheet is within our target leverage range, and we believe the opportunities for significant value creation for shareholders in 2026 and beyond remain as compelling as at any time in our history. At the segment level, we are expecting Dispensing and Specialty Closures organic volumes to grow by a low to mid-single-digit rate in 2026, driven by another year of growth in our dispensing products and improved mix. We expect Metal Containers volumes to grow by a low single-digit percentage, driven primarily by another year of mid-single-digit growth in pet food. In Custom Containers, after a record year of profitability, volumes are expected to be flat, as Q1 is expected to see some continued but limited impact from customer destocking.
Speaker #3: At the segment level, we are expecting dispensing and specially closures organic volumes to grow by a low to mid-single digit rate in 2026, driven by another year of growth in our dispensing products and improved mix.
Speaker #3: We expect metal containers volumes to grow by a low single digit percentage, driven primarily by another year of mid-single digit growth in pet food.
Speaker #3: record year of profitability, And custom containers, after a volumes are expected to be flat as the first quarter is expected to see some continued but limited impact from customer destocking.
Adam Greenlee: Importantly, we anticipate this impact to be offset in the remaining three quarters as the business repositions to longer-term growth with key franchise customers. As we enter 2026, we remain excited about the opportunities that lay ahead for the company, and are confident that the structural changes and evolution in our portfolio have positioned us to drive growth in our business in the near and long term. Our teams remain focused on meeting the unique needs of our customers as we continue to compete and win in the markets we serve, and our strategic growth initiatives continue to shape the company's future. The power of our portfolio, the strength of our teams, and the discipline of our capital deployment model continue to drive significant opportunity to create value for shareholders in 2026 and beyond.
Adam Greenlee: Importantly, we anticipate this impact to be offset in the remaining three quarters as the business repositions to longer-term growth with key franchise customers. As we enter 2026, we remain excited about the opportunities that lay ahead for the company, and are confident that the structural changes and evolution in our portfolio have positioned us to drive growth in our business in the near and long term. Our teams remain focused on meeting the unique needs of our customers as we continue to compete and win in the markets we serve, and our strategic growth initiatives continue to shape the company's future. The power of our portfolio, the strength of our teams, and the discipline of our capital deployment model continue to drive significant opportunity to create value for shareholders in 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #3: impact to be offset in the remaining three Importantly, we anticipate this quarters as the business repositions to longer-term growth with key franchise customers. As we enter 2026, we remain excited about the opportunities that lay ahead.
Speaker #3: For the company, and our confidence that the structural changes and evolution in our portfolio have positioned us to drive growth in our business in the near and long term.
Speaker #3: Our teams remain focused on meeting the unique needs of our customers as we continue to compete and win in the markets we serve. And our strategic growth initiatives continue to shape the company's future.
Speaker #3: The power of our portfolio, the strength of our deployment model continue to drive teams, and the discipline of our capital significant opportunity to create value for shareholders in 2026 and beyond.
Adam Greenlee: With that, Shawn will take you through the financials for the quarter and our estimates for the first quarter and full year of 2026.
Adam Greenlee: With that, Shawn will take you through the financials for the quarter and our estimates for the first quarter and full year of 2026.
Speaker #3: SILGAN will take you through the financials for the quarter and our estimates for the first With that, quarter and full year of
Speaker #3: 2026.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Adam.
Shawn Fabry: Thank you, Adam. As Adam highlighted, we reported another year of strong financial results for 2025, driven by the continued success of our long-term strategic initiatives, the discipline of our capital deployment model, and the resilience and growth of our products and end markets. During the year, we successfully integrated the Vander transaction and achieved full run rate synergies, returned our balance sheet leverage to within our target range in just over a year following the closing of the transaction, and completed our multiyear cost reduction program. Turning to the Q4 2025 results, net sales of approximately $1.5 billion increased 4% from the prior year period, driven primarily by the contractual pass-through of higher raw materials, mostly in our metal containers business, and favorable foreign currency translation.
Shawn Fabry: Thank you, Adam. As Adam highlighted, we reported another year of strong financial results for 2025, driven by the continued success of our long-term strategic initiatives, the discipline of our capital deployment model, and the resilience and growth of our products and end markets. During the year, we successfully integrated the Vander transaction and achieved full run rate synergies, returned our balance sheet leverage to within our target range in just over a year following the closing of the transaction, and completed our multiyear cost reduction program. Turning to the Q4 2025 results, net sales of approximately $1.5 billion increased 4% from the prior year period, driven primarily by the contractual pass-through of higher raw materials, mostly in our metal containers business, and favorable foreign currency translation.
Speaker #2: As Adam highlighted, we reported another year of strong financial results for 2025, driven by the continued success of our long-term strategic initiatives, the discipline of our capital deployment model, and the resilience and growth of our products and end markets.
Speaker #2: During the year, we successfully integrated the Vayner transaction and achieved full run rate synergies. Returned our balance sheet leverage to within our target range in just over a year following the closing of the transaction, and completed our multi-year cost reduction program.
Speaker #2: Turning to the fourth quarter 2025 results, net sales of approximately 1.5 billion increased 4% from the prior year period, driven primarily by the contractual pass-through of higher raw materials, mostly in our metal containers business, and favorable foreign currency translation.
Speaker #2: Total adjusted EBIT for the quarter of 150.6 million was relatively flat from the prior year, with higher adjusted EBIT in our metal containers segment offset primarily by higher corporate expense.
Shawn Fabry: Total adjusted EBIT for the quarter of $150.6 million was relatively flat from the prior year, with higher adjusted EBIT in our metal containers segment, offset primarily by higher corporate expense. Adjusted EPS of $0.67 decreased by $0.18 from the prior year period due to higher interest expense, and a higher tax rate in the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter tax rate was negatively impacted by certain non-recurring, non-cash tax items, which impacted the tax rate in the quarter by approximately 3% and the year by approximately 0.5%. Turning to our segments. Fourth quarter sales in our dispensing and specialty closures segment increased 1% versus the prior year, primarily as a result of foreign currency translation of 4%.
Shawn Fabry: Total adjusted EBIT for the quarter of $150.6 million was relatively flat from the prior year, with higher adjusted EBIT in our metal containers segment, offset primarily by higher corporate expense. Adjusted EPS of $0.67 decreased by $0.18 from the prior year period due to higher interest expense, and a higher tax rate in the fourth quarter. The fourth quarter tax rate was negatively impacted by certain non-recurring, non-cash tax items, which impacted the tax rate in the quarter by approximately 3% and the year by approximately 0.5%. Turning to our segments. Fourth quarter sales in our dispensing and specialty closures segment increased 1% versus the prior year, primarily as a result of foreign currency translation of 4%.
Speaker #2: Adjusted EPS of 67 cents decreased by 18 cents from the prior year period due to higher interest expense and a higher tax rate in the fourth quarter.
Speaker #2: The fourth quarter tax rate was negatively impacted by certain non-recurring, non-cash tax items, which impacted the tax rate in the quarter by approximately 3% and the year by approximately a half percent.
Speaker #2: Turning to our segments, fourth quarter sales in our dispensing and specially closures segment increased 1% versus the prior year, primarily as a result of foreign currency translation of anticipated destocking impact for products fragrance and beauty products were offset by the 4%.
Shawn Fabry: Higher volumes for high-value fragrance and beauty products were offset by the anticipated destocking impact for products in the personal and home care markets. Fourth quarter 2025 Dispensing and Specialty Closures Adjusted EBIT was comparable to the record level in the prior year. As expected, the contribution of double-digit growth in high-value fragrance and beauty products and favorable foreign currency translation were largely offset by the anticipated impact of lower volumes of products for personal care and home care markets and related under absorbed costs for production and inventory reductions in the quarter. Relative to our expectations entering the quarter, both sales and Adjusted EBIT in Dispensing and Specialty Closures were largely in line.
Shawn Fabry: Higher volumes for high-value fragrance and beauty products were offset by the anticipated destocking impact for products in the personal and home care markets. Fourth quarter 2025 Dispensing and Specialty Closures Adjusted EBIT was comparable to the record level in the prior year. As expected, the contribution of double-digit growth in high-value fragrance and beauty products and favorable foreign currency translation were largely offset by the anticipated impact of lower volumes of products for personal care and home care markets and related under absorbed costs for production and inventory reductions in the quarter. Relative to our expectations entering the quarter, both sales and Adjusted EBIT in Dispensing and Specialty Closures were largely in line.
Speaker #2: in the personal and home care markets. Fourth quarter 2025 dispensing and specially Higher volumes for high-value closures adjusted EBIT was comparable to the record level in the prior year.
Speaker #2: As expected, the contribution of double-digit growth in high-value fragrance and beauty products and favorable foreign currency translation was largely offset by the anticipated impact of lower volumes of products for personal care and home care markets.
Speaker #2: And the related under-absorbed cost for production and inventory reductions in the quarter. Relative to our expectations entering the quarter, both sales and adjusted EBIT in Dispensing and Specialty Closures were largely in line.
Speaker #2: In our metal container segment, sales increased 11% versus the prior-year quarter as a result of the contractual pass-through of higher raw material costs, principally for steel and aluminum, and higher volumes of 4%.
Shawn Fabry: In our Metal Containers segment, sales increased 11% versus the prior year quarter as a result of the contractual pass-through of higher raw material costs, principally for steel and aluminum, and higher volumes of 4%. Our volume growth in the quarter was largely a result of higher volumes for pet food markets of 7%, as we continue to experience strong volume growth in this category. Additionally, we did see a limited amount of pre-buy volume in the Q4, as certain customers pulled forward volume ahead of the anticipated raw material inflation in 2026.
Shawn Fabry: In our Metal Containers segment, sales increased 11% versus the prior year quarter as a result of the contractual pass-through of higher raw material costs, principally for steel and aluminum, and higher volumes of 4%. Our volume growth in the quarter was largely a result of higher volumes for pet food markets of 7%, as we continue to experience strong volume growth in this category. Additionally, we did see a limited amount of pre-buy volume in the Q4, as certain customers pulled forward volume ahead of the anticipated raw material inflation in 2026.
Speaker #2: Our volume growth in the quarter was largely a result of higher volumes for pet food markets of 7% as we continue to experience strong volume growth in this category.
Speaker #2: Additionally, we did see a limited amount of pre-buy volume in the fourth quarter as certain customers pulled forward volume ahead of the anticipated raw material inflation in 2026.
Shawn Fabry: Metal Containers Adjusted EBIT increased approximately 5% versus the prior year quarter, as the segment benefited from both strong operational cost management, which was responsible for the majority of the outperformance in the segment versus our expectation entering the quarter, and a limited impact from pre-buy volumes and additional raw material inflation in 2026. We estimate the impact of pre-buy volumes to 2025 Adjusted EBIT was approximately $2 million. In Custom Containers, our results were largely consistent with our expectations, as sales decreased 8% compared to the prior year quarter due to lower margin business exited as a result of a planned footprint optimization. Excluding these volumes, our volume increased 1% versus the prior year quarter. Custom Containers Adjusted EBIT was comparable to the prior year levels.
Shawn Fabry: Metal Containers Adjusted EBIT increased approximately 5% versus the prior year quarter, as the segment benefited from both strong operational cost management, which was responsible for the majority of the outperformance in the segment versus our expectation entering the quarter, and a limited impact from pre-buy volumes and additional raw material inflation in 2026. We estimate the impact of pre-buy volumes to 2025 Adjusted EBIT was approximately $2 million. In Custom Containers, our results were largely consistent with our expectations, as sales decreased 8% compared to the prior year quarter due to lower margin business exited as a result of a planned footprint optimization. Excluding these volumes, our volume increased 1% versus the prior year quarter. Custom Containers Adjusted EBIT was comparable to the prior year levels.
Speaker #2: adjusted EBIT increased approximately 5% Metal containers versus the prior year quarter. As a segment benefited from both strong operational cost management, which was responsible for the majority of the outperformance in this segment versus our expectation entering the quarter, and a limited impact from pre-buy volumes.
Speaker #2: Ahead of additional raw material inflation in 2026, we estimate the impact of pre-buy volumes to 2025 adjusted EBIT was approximately $2 million. In custom containers, our results were largely consistent with our expectations, as sales decreased 8% compared to the prior year quarter due to lower margin business exited as a result of a planned footprint optimization.
Speaker #2: Excluding these volumes, our volume increased 1% versus the prior-year quarter. Custom Containers adjusted EBIT was comparable to the prior-year levels. Looking ahead to 2026, we are estimating EPS in the range of $3.70 to $3.90, as compared to $3.72 in 2025, with higher operating income, partially offset by higher interest and tax expense during the year.
Shawn Fabry: Looking ahead to 2026, we are estimating EPS in the range of $3.70 to 3.90, as compared to $3.72 in 2025, with higher operating income partially offset by higher interest and tax expense during the year. This estimate includes interest expense of approximately $205 million, a tax rate of approximately 25% to 26%, corporate expense of approximately $45 million, and a weighted average share count of approximately 106 million shares. Interest expense is expected to be above 2025 levels, due primarily to the maturity of our 1.4% senior secured notes that come due in April. At the midpoint of our 2025 Adjusted EPS range, we will exceed the prior year levels of Adjusted EBIT and Adjusted EBITDA achieved in 2025.
Shawn Fabry: Looking ahead to 2026, we are estimating EPS in the range of $3.70 to 3.90, as compared to $3.72 in 2025, with higher operating income partially offset by higher interest and tax expense during the year. This estimate includes interest expense of approximately $205 million, a tax rate of approximately 25% to 26%, corporate expense of approximately $45 million, and a weighted average share count of approximately 106 million shares. Interest expense is expected to be above 2025 levels, due primarily to the maturity of our 1.4% senior secured notes that come due in April. At the midpoint of our 2025 Adjusted EPS range, we will exceed the prior year levels of Adjusted EBIT and Adjusted EBITDA achieved in 2025.
Speaker #2: This estimate includes interest expense of approximately $205 million, a tax rate of approximately 25 to 26 percent, corporate expense of approximately $45 million, and a weighted average share count of approximately 106 million shares.
Speaker #2: Interest expense is expected to be above 2025 levels due primarily to the maturity of our 4.1% senior secured notes that come due in April.
Speaker #2: At the midpoint of our 2025 adjusted EPS range, we will exceed the prior year levels of adjusted EBIT and adjusted EBITDA achieved in 2025.
Speaker #2: From a segment perspective, low to mid-single-digit percentage total adjusted EBIT growth in 2026 is expected to be driven primarily by a low to mid-single-digit percent increase in dispensing and specially closures adjusted EBIT and a low single-digit percent increase in metal containers adjusted EBIT.
Shawn Fabry: From a segment perspective, low- to mid-single-digit % total Adjusted EBIT growth in 2026 is expected to be driven primarily by a low- to mid-single-digit % increase in Dispensing and Specialty Closures Adjusted EBIT and a low single-digit % increase in Metal Containers Adjusted EBIT. Custom Containers segment Adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to 2025 levels as the business completes its multiyear cost reduction initiative and transitions to organic growth during 2026. Volumes in 2026 are expected to grow by a low- to mid-single-digit % in Dispensing and Specialty Closures, driven by a mid-single-digit increase in dispensing products. Metal Containers volumes are expected to grow by a low single-digit rate as a result of a mid-single-digit growth in products for pet food markets, which now represent more than half of the segment volume.
Shawn Fabry: From a segment perspective, low- to mid-single-digit % total Adjusted EBIT growth in 2026 is expected to be driven primarily by a low- to mid-single-digit % increase in Dispensing and Specialty Closures Adjusted EBIT and a low single-digit % increase in Metal Containers Adjusted EBIT. Custom Containers segment Adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to 2025 levels as the business completes its multiyear cost reduction initiative and transitions to organic growth during 2026. Volumes in 2026 are expected to grow by a low- to mid-single-digit % in Dispensing and Specialty Closures, driven by a mid-single-digit increase in dispensing products. Metal Containers volumes are expected to grow by a low single-digit rate as a result of a mid-single-digit growth in products for pet food markets, which now represent more than half of the segment volume.
Speaker #2: Custom container segment adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to 2025 levels as the business completes its multi-year cost reduction initiative and transitions to organic growth during 2026.
Speaker #2: Volumes in 2026 are expected to grow by a low to mid-single-digit percentage in dispensing and specially closures driven by a mid-single-digit increase in dispensing products.
Speaker #2: Metal containers volumes are expected to grow by a low single-digit rate as a result of a mid-single-digit growth in products for pet food markets.
Speaker #2: Which now represent more than half of the segment volume. Custom containers volumes are expected to be comparable to prior year levels, as first quarter volume will be lower than the prior year due to a limited carryover of destocking activity, which is expected to be offset by growth in the subsequent quarters.
Shawn Fabry: Custom Containers volumes are expected to be comparable to prior year levels as Q1 volume will be lower than the prior year due to a limited carryover of destocking activity, which is expected to be offset by growth in the subsequent quarters. Based on our current earnings outlook for 2026, we are providing an estimate of Free Cash Flow of approximately $450 million, as operating earnings growth will be partly offset by higher cash interest, tax, and slightly higher CapEx of approximately $310 million to support investments in future growth in dispensing and pet food products. Turning to our outlook for the Q1 of 2026, we are providing an estimate of adjusted earnings in the range of $0.70 to $0.80 per diluted share, as compared to adjusted EPS of $0.82 in the prior year period.
Shawn Fabry: Custom Containers volumes are expected to be comparable to prior year levels as Q1 volume will be lower than the prior year due to a limited carryover of destocking activity, which is expected to be offset by growth in the subsequent quarters. Based on our current earnings outlook for 2026, we are providing an estimate of Free Cash Flow of approximately $450 million, as operating earnings growth will be partly offset by higher cash interest, tax, and slightly higher CapEx of approximately $310 million to support investments in future growth in dispensing and pet food products. Turning to our outlook for the Q1 of 2026, we are providing an estimate of adjusted earnings in the range of $0.70 to $0.80 per diluted share, as compared to adjusted EPS of $0.82 in the prior year period.
Speaker #2: Based on our current earnings outlook for 2026, we are providing an estimate of three cash flow of approximately $450 million. As operating earnings growth will be permanently offset by higher cash interest and tax, and slightly higher capex of approximately $310 million, to support investments in future growth in dispensing and pet food products.
Speaker #2: Turning to our outlook for the first quarter of 2026, we are providing an estimate of adjusted earnings in the range of $0.70 to $0.80 per diluted share, as compared to adjusted EPS of $0.82 in the prior year period.
Speaker #2: First quarter interest expense is anticipated to be in the range of $45 million, with a tax rate of approximately 25 to 26 percent. From a segment standpoint, first quarter dispensing and specially closures adjusted EBIT is expected to be below the prior year period, principally as a result of the year-over-year impact of the benefit of selling through prior year inventory and an inflationary environment in 2025, as compared to the headwind of selling through prior year inventory in 2026.
Shawn Fabry: First quarter interest expense is anticipated to be in the range of $45 million, with a tax rate of approximately 25% to 26%. From a segment standpoint, first quarter dispensing and specialty closures adjusted EBIT is expected to be below the prior year period, principally as a result of the year-over-year impact of the benefit of selling through prior year inventory in an inflationary environment in 2025, as compared to the headwind of selling through prior year inventory in 2026 for steel, food, and beverage products in Europe. Metal containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to slightly below the prior year level in the first quarter as a result of the impact of limited pre-buy volume in the fourth quarter of 2025 that pulled volume forward from the first quarter of 2026.
Shawn Fabry: First quarter interest expense is anticipated to be in the range of $45 million, with a tax rate of approximately 25% to 26%. From a segment standpoint, first quarter dispensing and specialty closures adjusted EBIT is expected to be below the prior year period, principally as a result of the year-over-year impact of the benefit of selling through prior year inventory in an inflationary environment in 2025, as compared to the headwind of selling through prior year inventory in 2026 for steel, food, and beverage products in Europe. Metal containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to slightly below the prior year level in the first quarter as a result of the impact of limited pre-buy volume in the fourth quarter of 2025 that pulled volume forward from the first quarter of 2026.
Speaker #2: For steel food and beverage products in Europe. Metal containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be comparable to slightly below the prior year level in the first quarter, as a result of the impact of limited pre-buy volume in the fourth quarter of 2025 that pooled volume forward from the first quarter of 2026.
Speaker #2: Custom containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be modestly below prior year levels in the first quarter due to the carryover of destocking activity into January.
Shawn Fabry: Custom Containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be modestly below prior year levels in Q1 due to the carryover of destocking activity into January. With that, we'll open the call for questions. Melinda, would you kindly provide the directions for the question and answer session?
Shawn Fabry: Custom Containers adjusted EBIT is expected to be modestly below prior year levels in Q1 due to the carryover of destocking activity into January. With that, we'll open the call for questions. Melinda, would you kindly provide the directions for the question and answer session?
Speaker #2: With that, we'll open the call for questions. Melinda, would you kindly provide the directions for the question and answer session? Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one on your telephone keypad.
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Speaker #2: ahead. Thanks very much, everyone.
George Staphos: Thanks very much, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details, Bob. Congratulations, well-earned retirement. And, Shawn, nice to chat with you again, and welcome to the call. I guess my first question, Shawn, could you give us a bit more detail in terms of the Q1 outlook for DSC, just kind of the puts and takes that you see. I think you mentioned there was also some impact from pre-buy. More broadly, with DSC having grown now to being the largest business, I would imagine maybe you disagree, that the order patterns, the operations, the way that business runs might be different than what, you know, you normally would have seen in a traditional Silgan business, say, you know, 5 and 10 years ago. Philippe and Shawn, what and Adam, you know, how do you manage the business?
George Staphos: Thanks very much, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the details, Bob. Congratulations, well-earned retirement. And, Shawn, nice to chat with you again, and welcome to the call. I guess my first question, Shawn, could you give us a bit more detail in terms of the Q1 outlook for DSC, just kind of the puts and takes that you see. I think you mentioned there was also some impact from pre-buy. More broadly, with DSC having grown now to being the largest business, I would imagine maybe you disagree, that the order patterns, the operations, the way that business runs might be different than what, you know, you normally would have seen in a traditional Silgan business, say, you know, 5 and 10 years ago. Philippe and Shawn, what and Adam, you know, how do you manage the business?
Speaker #3: Good morning. Thanks for the details, Bob. Congratulations—well-earned retirement. And Sean, nice to chat with you again and welcome to the call. I guess my first question, Sean: could you give us a bit more detail in terms of the first quarter outlook for DSC?
Speaker #3: Just kind of the puts and takes that you see. I think you mentioned there was also some impact from pre-buy. More broadly, with DSC having grown now to being the largest business, I would imagine—maybe you disagree—that the order patterns, the operations, the way that business runs, might be different than what you normally would have seen in a traditional Silicon business, say, five and ten years ago.
Speaker #3: Philippe and Sean, what and Adam, how do you manage the business? How do you manage forecasts? Do you keep your customers in a narrower band, well, to say what traditionally you would have seen in metal?
George Staphos: How do you manage forecasts? Do you keep your customers in a narrower band, well, to say what traditionally you would have seen in metal? And then I might have one follow on after that. Thank you.
George Staphos: How do you manage forecasts? Do you keep your customers in a narrower band, well, to say what traditionally you would have seen in metal? And then I might have one follow on after that. Thank you.
Speaker #3: And then I might have one follow-on after that. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Sure. So I'll take the first part of that question, and Adam will take the second part. For the DSC segment in the first quarter, we're seeing low to mid-single-digit volumes.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. So I'll take the first part of that question, and Adam will take the second part. For the DSC segment in Q1, we're seeing low to mid-single digit volumes, and one of the challenges that we're facing there is that we do have some low-cost inventory that we put through the system in Q1 2025. So a little bit of a headwind going into the quarter to overcome that EBIT benefit from that position.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. So I'll take the first part of that question, and Adam will take the second part. For the DSC segment in Q1, we're seeing low to mid-single digit volumes, and one of the challenges that we're facing there is that we do have some low-cost inventory that we put through the system in Q1 2025. So a little bit of a headwind going into the quarter to overcome that EBIT benefit from that position.
Speaker #4: And one of the challenges that we're facing there is that we do have some low-cost inventory that we put through the system in the first quarter of 2025.
Speaker #4: So a little bit of a headwind going into the quarter to overcome that EBIT benefit from
Speaker #3: Gotcha. that position.
George Staphos: Got you.
George Staphos: Got you.
Speaker #4: And then, George, on the dispensing and specially closures business, the portfolio evolution that we've been talking about for the last decade, you're right, has moved that business to our largest business in the portfolio now.
Adam Greenlee: And then, George, on the dispensing, especially closures business, you know, the portfolio evolution that we've been talking about for the last decade, you're right, has moved that business to our largest business in the portfolio now. And you're also correct that, you know, that it's a bit of a business, different business than kind of the historic food can business for Silgan, or maybe even some of the rigid plastic packaging businesses that, you know, the company started with when we were founded, back in the eighties. You know, you think about co-located facilities that, you know, you're integrated very deeply into your customers. In many cases, you're buying customer assets, so you're part of their production model already right out of the gate.
Adam Greenlee: And then, George, on the dispensing, especially closures business, you know, the portfolio evolution that we've been talking about for the last decade, you're right, has moved that business to our largest business in the portfolio now. And you're also correct that, you know, that it's a bit of a business, different business than kind of the historic food can business for Silgan, or maybe even some of the rigid plastic packaging businesses that, you know, the company started with when we were founded, back in the eighties. You know, you think about co-located facilities that, you know, you're integrated very deeply into your customers. In many cases, you're buying customer assets, so you're part of their production model already right out of the gate.
Speaker #4: And you're also correct that it's a bit of a business different business than kind of the historic food can business for Silicon or maybe even some of the rigid plastic packaging businesses that the company started with when we were founded back in the '80s.
Speaker #4: You think about co-located facilities that you're integrated very deeply into your customers. In many cases, you're buying customer assets, so you're part of their production model already right out of the gate.
Speaker #4: And I think as you think about the growth that we've had in fragrance and beauty and some of the personal care and home care products and dispensing, especially closures, it is a bit of a different supply relationship or more of a supply partner with an outside-in perspective versus being kind of on-site and deep in the weeds with how they're running their business.
Adam Greenlee: I think as you think about, you know, the growth that we've had in fragrance and beauty and some of the personal care and home care products and dispensing, especially closures, it is a bit of a different supply relationship or more of a supply partner, with an outside-in perspective, versus being kind of on-site and deep in the weeds with how they're running their business. So I think, you know, it has. We have some learnings from 25. We'll be very clear about that.
Adam Greenlee: I think as you think about, you know, the growth that we've had in fragrance and beauty and some of the personal care and home care products and dispensing, especially closures, it is a bit of a different supply relationship or more of a supply partner, with an outside-in perspective, versus being kind of on-site and deep in the weeds with how they're running their business. So I think, you know, it has. We have some learnings from 25. We'll be very clear about that.
Speaker #4: So I think it has we have some learnings from '25. We'll be very clear about that. And I think part of those learnings are taking a broader view, a broader perspective on the macro environment and other influences that may affect our customer businesses more so than maybe just what's within our own two, four walls as we are on-site, near-site in those kind of food can operations.
Adam Greenlee: I think one, you know, part of those learnings are taking a broader view, a broader perspective on the macro environment and other influences that may affect our customer businesses, more so than maybe just what's within our own four walls, as we are on site, near site, in those kind of food can operations. So, you know, part of that, George, is, as we've talked, you know, we've taken a broader view of risk as we've come out with our guidance now for Q1 and also for 2026, to try to take into account some of the unknown risks that maybe we hadn't included in guidance before, again, taking those learnings from 2025.
Adam Greenlee: I think one, you know, part of those learnings are taking a broader view, a broader perspective on the macro environment and other influences that may affect our customer businesses, more so than maybe just what's within our own four walls, as we are on site, near site, in those kind of food can operations. So, you know, part of that, George, is, as we've talked, you know, we've taken a broader view of risk as we've come out with our guidance now for Q1 and also for 2026, to try to take into account some of the unknown risks that maybe we hadn't included in guidance before, again, taking those learnings from 2025.
Speaker #4: So part of that, George, is as we've talked, we've taken a broader view of risk as we've come out with our guidance now for Q1 and also for 2026, to try to take into account some of the unknown risks that maybe we hadn't included in guidance before—again, taking those learnings from 2025.
Speaker #3: Adam, thanks for that. My follow-on—I'll turn it over to everyone else. For you to be—and recognizing there are no guarantees in life, right?
George Staphos: Adam, thanks for that. My follow-on, I'll turn it over to everyone else. It's for you to be... And recognizing there are no guarantees in life, right? Forecasts can be significantly above or below. That's the world that we're all in. At the low end of your guidance, what would be some of the key volume and margin considerations across the business? So again, not saying that's where you're necessarily going, nothing's guaranteed, but at your low end of guidance, what's embedded in that? Thank you.
George Staphos: Adam, thanks for that. My follow-on, I'll turn it over to everyone else. It's for you to be... And recognizing there are no guarantees in life, right? Forecasts can be significantly above or below. That's the world that we're all in. At the low end of your guidance, what would be some of the key volume and margin considerations across the business? So again, not saying that's where you're necessarily going, nothing's guaranteed, but at your low end of guidance, what's embedded in that? Thank you.
Speaker #3: Forecasts can be significantly above or below—that’s the world that we’re all in. At the low end of your guidance, what would be some of the key volume and margin considerations across the business?
Speaker #3: So again, not saying that's where you're necessarily going, nothing's guaranteed, but at your low end of guidance, what's embedded in that? Thank
Speaker #3: you. Yeah, I think,
Adam Greenlee: Yeah, I think, George, you know, I mean, Shawn walked through kind of our, our volume expectations for each of the segments. I, I think, you know, we've got a pretty good feel for demand profiles and patterns with our customers and, and with the business that we have. I think maybe to try to answer your question, I would say, you know, broader market conditions that might influence our customers' demand for their products probably is, is one of the, the items I would point you to that could move us closer to the low end of the range. But again, we've taken a, a very broad approach to taking those risks into consideration, to develop the range that we have, and that's included in our, our guidance to the midpoint as well.
Adam Greenlee: Yeah, I think, George, you know, I mean, Shawn walked through kind of our, our volume expectations for each of the segments. I, I think, you know, we've got a pretty good feel for demand profiles and patterns with our customers and, and with the business that we have. I think maybe to try to answer your question, I would say, you know, broader market conditions that might influence our customers' demand for their products probably is, is one of the, the items I would point you to that could move us closer to the low end of the range. But again, we've taken a, a very broad approach to taking those risks into consideration, to develop the range that we have, and that's included in our, our guidance to the midpoint as well.
Speaker #4: George, I mean, Sean walked through kind of our volume expectations for each of the segments. I think we've got a pretty good feel for demand profiles and patterns with our customers, and with the business that we have.
Speaker #4: I think maybe to try to answer your question, I would say broader market conditions that might influence our customers' demand for their products. Probably is one of the items I would point you to that could move us closer to the low end of the range.
Speaker #4: But again, we've taken a very broad approach to taking those risk into consideration to develop the range that we have and that's included in our guidance to the midpoint as well.
Speaker #3: Okay. Thank
George Staphos: Okay, thank you.
George Staphos: Okay, thank you.
Speaker #3: you. If you find that your
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Matt Roberts: Hey, Adam, Sean, Alex, good morning. Congratulations to Sean and Alex on your new roles. First on the DSC volume for 2026, I wonder if you could help me parse that out. I think I'm gonna play about 3 in 1 here, but first on hot fill beverage, how volumes were performing in Q4 and the outlook there for 2026 or contribution from new contracts there. In home and personal care destocking, was there any lingering impact in Q1 in DSC? I might have missed that. And lastly, in fragrance, I mean, that continues to grow at double-digit growth, and by math or comps alone, you would think that I would have to slow at some point, but based on customer orders or innovation pipeline, what are you expecting there?
Matthew D. Roberts: Hey, Adam, Sean, Alex, good morning. Congratulations to Sean and Alex on your new roles. First on the DSC volume for 2026, I wonder if you could help me parse that out. I think I'm gonna play about 3 in 1 here, but first on hot fill beverage, how volumes were performing in Q4 and the outlook there for 2026 or contribution from new contracts there. In home and personal care destocking, was there any lingering impact in Q1 in DSC? I might have missed that. And lastly, in fragrance, I mean, that continues to grow at double-digit growth, and by math or comps alone, you would think that I would have to slow at some point, but based on customer orders or innovation pipeline, what are you expecting there?
Speaker #5: Hey, Adam, Sean, Alex, good morning. Congratulations to the Sean and Alex on your new roles. First, on the DSC volume for 2026, I wonder if you could help me parse that out and bear with me.
Speaker #5: I've got to think about three and one here, but first, on hot fill beverage, how do volumes perform in four Q and the outlook there for '26 that were contribution from new contracts there?
Speaker #5: In Home and Personal Care stocking, was there any lingering impact in one quarter in DSC that I might have missed? And lastly, in Fragrance, I mean, that continues to grow at double-digit growth.
Speaker #5: And by now, if there are comps alone, you would think that I would have to slow at some point, but based on customer orders or innovation pipeline, what are you expecting there?
Speaker #5: And is it a function of high-end consumer doing well or continued new product launches or partners expanding distribution channels? What's going to sustain momentum
Matt Roberts: Is it a function of high-end consumer doing well, or continued new product launches, or partners expanding distribution channels? What's gonna sustain momentum there?
Matthew D. Roberts: Is it a function of high-end consumer doing well, or continued new product launches, or partners expanding distribution channels? What's gonna sustain momentum there?
Speaker #5: there? Sure.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. So maybe just jumping back to kind of fourth quarter volume. So you know, for DSC, Matt, really, volumes were very close to what we expected, right? So, you know, as Sean pointed out, double-digit growth in our fragrance and beauty volumes. You know, personal care and home care, we had anticipated the destocking. It did happen in Q4, essentially right in line with our expectation. I think there is a slightly different answer here than custom containers. So to be really clear, we think the destocking activity is complete in our dispensing, especially closure segment. And so, you know, volumes were right in line with expectations, including food and beverage as well. So fourth quarter played out pretty close to what we thought.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. So maybe just jumping back to kind of fourth quarter volume. So you know, for DSC, Matt, really, volumes were very close to what we expected, right? So, you know, as Sean pointed out, double-digit growth in our fragrance and beauty volumes. You know, personal care and home care, we had anticipated the destocking. It did happen in Q4, essentially right in line with our expectation. I think there is a slightly different answer here than custom containers. So to be really clear, we think the destocking activity is complete in our dispensing, especially closure segment. And so, you know, volumes were right in line with expectations, including food and beverage as well. So fourth quarter played out pretty close to what we thought.
Speaker #4: So maybe just jumping back to kind of fourth quarter volume. So for DSC, Matt, really volumes were very close to what we expected, right?
Speaker #4: So, as Sean pointed out, we saw double-digit growth in our fragrance and beauty volumes. In personal care and home care, we had anticipated the destocking; it did happen in Q4.
Speaker #4: Essentially, right in line with our expectation. I think there is a slightly different answer here than custom containers. So, to be really clear, we think the destocking activity is complete in our Dispensing and Specialty Closures segment.
Speaker #4: And so volumes were right in line with expectations, including food and beverage as well. So, fourth quarter played out pretty close to what we thought.
Speaker #4: As we turn to the full year of 2026, again, as Sean just outlined, significant growth, again, expected in fragrance and beauty. You think about food and beverage, and maybe some of my comments I just made to George, our assumption for volume right now is going to be comparable.
Adam Greenlee: As we turn to the full year of 2026, you know, again, as Shawn just outlined, you know, significant growth, again, expected in fragrance and beauty. You think about food and beverage and maybe some of my comments I just made to George. Our assumption for volume right now is gonna be comparable. So you mentioned, you know, new contractual wins. Yes, there are some. We've taken an approach that we're going to include some conservative guidance for the market for our food and beverage, hot fill products and sports drinks, et cetera, as we're looking at 2026, and we'll see how that plays out. Fragrance and beauty, it's really more of the same story. And I think, Matt, as we've talked before, you know, the development pipeline for these products, it is multiyear.
Adam Greenlee: As we turn to the full year of 2026, you know, again, as Shawn just outlined, you know, significant growth, again, expected in fragrance and beauty. You think about food and beverage and maybe some of my comments I just made to George. Our assumption for volume right now is gonna be comparable. So you mentioned, you know, new contractual wins. Yes, there are some. We've taken an approach that we're going to include some conservative guidance for the market for our food and beverage, hot fill products and sports drinks, et cetera, as we're looking at 2026, and we'll see how that plays out. Fragrance and beauty, it's really more of the same story. And I think, Matt, as we've talked before, you know, the development pipeline for these products, it is multiyear.
Speaker #4: So, you mentioned new contractual winds. Yes, there are some. We've taken an approach that we're going to include some conservative guidance for the market for our food and beverage hot fill products and sports drinks, etc.
Speaker #4: as we're looking at 2026, and we'll see how that plays out. Fragrance and beauty, it's really more of the same story. And I think, Matt, as we've talked products, it is multi-year.
Speaker #4: as we're looking at 2026, and we'll see how that plays out. Fragrance and beauty, it's really more of the same story. And I think, Matt, as we've talked before, the development pipeline for these It's probably not quite as long as some of our healthcare products, but you're talking two to three years.
Adam Greenlee: It's probably not quite as long as some of our healthcare products, but you're talking 2 to 3 years. So all of this volume that we're going to deliver in 2026 has really been in the innovation pipeline for us for several years. So, you know, there's really no surprise to us. I think the really important point here is that we keep getting rewarded with our performance from our customers with new business wins. We get a disproportionate amount of the new product launches they have, and that's what's continuing to drive, you know, I'll say, the double-digit growth that we had in the last 2 quarters of 2025 and our estimate for 2026 as well. So, I maybe to go back to your question, Matt, I'd say it's for fragrance and beauty; it's all of the above.
Adam Greenlee: It's probably not quite as long as some of our healthcare products, but you're talking 2 to 3 years. So all of this volume that we're going to deliver in 2026 has really been in the innovation pipeline for us for several years. So, you know, there's really no surprise to us. I think the really important point here is that we keep getting rewarded with our performance from our customers with new business wins. We get a disproportionate amount of the new product launches they have, and that's what's continuing to drive, you know, I'll say, the double-digit growth that we had in the last 2 quarters of 2025 and our estimate for 2026 as well. So, I maybe to go back to your question, Matt, I'd say it's for fragrance and beauty; it's all of the above.
Speaker #4: So all of this volume that we're going to deliver in 2026 has really been in the innovation pipeline for us for several years. So there's really no surprise to us.
Speaker #4: I think the really important point here is that we keep getting rewarded with our performance from our customers with new business winds. We get a disproportionate amount of the new product launches they have, and that's what's continuing to drive I'll say the double-digit growth that we had in the last two quarters of 2025 and our estimate for 2026 as well.
Speaker #4: So maybe to go back to your question, Matt, I'd say it's for fragrance and beauty, it's all of the above. All of the things that you outlined are the reasons why we continue to grow faster than the market.
Adam Greenlee: All of the things that you outlined are the reasons why we continue to grow faster than the market. And again, we take a lot of pride in that. We take it very seriously. We're working right now on 27 and 28 product launches and have a pretty good feel for what that's gonna look like at this point, given that development pipeline. So hopefully, that covered all your items.
Adam Greenlee: All of the things that you outlined are the reasons why we continue to grow faster than the market. And again, we take a lot of pride in that. We take it very seriously. We're working right now on 27 and 28 product launches and have a pretty good feel for what that's gonna look like at this point, given that development pipeline. So hopefully, that covered all your items.
Speaker #4: And again, we take a lot of pride in that. We take it very seriously. We're working right now on 27 and 28 product launches.
Speaker #4: And have a pretty good feel for what that's going to look like at this point, given that development pipeline. So hopefully that covered all your
Speaker #4: items. Certainly did.
Matt Roberts: Certainly did. Appreciate all the detail there. And as a follow-on, I'd like to ask about metal. So Q4, EBIT came in better than I think your prior expectations, and margin even improved with the higher pet volume mix. So as you continue to invest and see pet food growth there, are there any contractual changes in metal that are going on as you continue margin expansion, excluding any raw materials impact, of course? Or was it cost outs that are driving strong results there? Any additional color you could have on, like, margin expectations, absent raws in 2026?
Matthew D. Roberts: Certainly did. Appreciate all the detail there. And as a follow-on, I'd like to ask about metal. So Q4, EBIT came in better than I think your prior expectations, and margin even improved with the higher pet volume mix. So as you continue to invest and see pet food growth there, are there any contractual changes in metal that are going on as you continue margin expansion, excluding any raw materials impact, of course? Or was it cost outs that are driving strong results there? Any additional color you could have on, like, margin expectations, absent raws in 2026?
Speaker #5: Appreciate all the detail there. And as a follow-on, if I could ask about metal. So four Q, it came in better than I think your prior expectations in margin even improved.
Speaker #5: With the higher pet volume mix. So as you continue to invest and see pet food growth there, are there any contractual changes in metals that are going on that you continue margin expansion excluding any raw materials impact?
Speaker #5: Of course, or was it cost outs that are driving strong results there? Any additional color you could have on margin expectations absent raws in '26?
Speaker #4: Sure. There are probably three things to really think about. I think the single largest is the cost reduction initiatives that we put forward and actually all three of our segments.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. There are probably three things to really think about. I think the single largest is the cost reduction initiatives that we put forward in actually all three of our segments. Certainly, metal containers have had a good portion of that cost savings program over the last two years. So they've executed really well against that cost savings initiative and have lowered the overall cost structure. As you can imagine, you know, volume leverage in this business is incredibly important. So as you continue to deliver growth in pet food and 4% growth in the entirety of the business, that leverage is pretty strong as well. So that it is helpful for the operating margin. And then finally, you know, you're right, we continue to invest to grow with our largest customers.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. There are probably three things to really think about. I think the single largest is the cost reduction initiatives that we put forward in actually all three of our segments. Certainly, metal containers have had a good portion of that cost savings program over the last two years. So they've executed really well against that cost savings initiative and have lowered the overall cost structure. As you can imagine, you know, volume leverage in this business is incredibly important. So as you continue to deliver growth in pet food and 4% growth in the entirety of the business, that leverage is pretty strong as well. So that it is helpful for the operating margin. And then finally, you know, you're right, we continue to invest to grow with our largest customers.
Speaker #4: Containers have had a good portion of, certainly, metal that cost savings program over the last two years. So they've executed really well against that cost savings initiative.
Speaker #4: And have lowered the overall cost structure. As you can imagine, volume leverage in this business is incredibly important. So as you continue to deliver growth in pet food and 4% growth in the entirety of the business, that leverage is pretty strong as well.
Speaker #4: So it is helpful for the operating margin. And then finally, you're right. We continue to invest to grow with our largest customers. I think it was, and guys correct me if I've got it wrong, it was 2024 that we announced a significant long-term extension with our single largest customer.
Adam Greenlee: I think it was, and guys, correct me if I've got it wrong, it was 2024, that we announced a significant long-term extension with our single largest customer. And we said at that time that, you know, there's nothing structurally changing about the contract, Matt, but we thought that contract would be margin accretive over the life of the agreement. And it is playing out the way we anticipated. So it's, that's a little bit more on the margin versus our cost reduction initiative. But, you know, our anticipation is our largest contracts are going to be slightly margin accretive over the life of those agreements as well.
Adam Greenlee: I think it was, and guys, correct me if I've got it wrong, it was 2024, that we announced a significant long-term extension with our single largest customer. And we said at that time that, you know, there's nothing structurally changing about the contract, Matt, but we thought that contract would be margin accretive over the life of the agreement. And it is playing out the way we anticipated. So it's, that's a little bit more on the margin versus our cost reduction initiative. But, you know, our anticipation is our largest contracts are going to be slightly margin accretive over the life of those agreements as well.
Speaker #4: And we said at that time that there's nothing structurally changing about the contract, Matt, but we thought that contract would be margin accretive over the life of the agreement.
Speaker #4: And it is playing out the way we anticipated. So that's a little bit more on the margin versus our cost reduction initiatives, but our anticipation is our largest contracts are going to be slightly margin accretive over the life of those agreements as well.
Alexander Hutter: Matt, the only other thing to add is, as you think about 2026, remember, we have, you know, again, raw material inflation in this segment, so that'll have a mathematical impact on margins, so probably stable on margins for 2026, given the incremental leverage on pet food, offset partly by the higher sales from pass-through of raw materials.
Alexander Hutter: Matt, the only other thing to add is, as you think about 2026, remember, we have, you know, again, raw material inflation in this segment, so that'll have a mathematical impact on margins, so probably stable on margins for 2026, given the incremental leverage on pet food, offset partly by the higher sales from pass-through of raw materials.
Speaker #1: Matthew, any other thing to add as you think about 2026? Remember, we have again, raw material inflation in this segment. So that'll have a mathematical impact on margins.
Speaker #1: So probably stable on margins for 2026 given the incremental leverage on pet food offset partly by the higher sales from past the roof raw materials.
Speaker #5: And I'm not super helpful. Thank you again.
Matt Roberts: Adam and Alex, super helpful. Thank you again.
Matthew D. Roberts: Adam and Alex, super helpful. Thank you again.
Speaker #6: We'll go next to Goncham Punjabi with Baird. Please go ahead.
Operator: We'll go next to Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please go ahead.
Operator: We'll go next to Ghansham Panjabi with Baird. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Yeah, thanks, Alfred. Good morning, everybody. And my congrats to Sean, Bob, and Alex as well for all the news and the promotions. Best wishes into the future.
Ghansham Panjabi: Yeah. Thanks, operator. Good morning, everybody, and my congrats to Shawn, Bob, and Alex as well for all the news and the promotions. Best wishes into the future. I guess, you know, Adam, if we go back to the dispensing closure segment and thinking back from a high-level standpoint on 2025, right? So you know, I think you started to see the destocking impact on beverage pretty early on, relative to your initial guidance, and then it broadened to other categories as the year unfolded. Have you seen normalization in demand for the categories that were initially into the downturn? And just more broadly, where are we on destocking? Do you still see some lingering impacts into, you know, early part of the year, just given the sequence of what unfolded last year?
Ghansham Panjabi: Yeah. Thanks, operator. Good morning, everybody, and my congrats to Shawn, Bob, and Alex as well for all the news and the promotions. Best wishes into the future. I guess, you know, Adam, if we go back to the dispensing closure segment and thinking back from a high-level standpoint on 2025, right? So you know, I think you started to see the destocking impact on beverage pretty early on, relative to your initial guidance, and then it broadened to other categories as the year unfolded. Have you seen normalization in demand for the categories that were initially into the downturn? And just more broadly, where are we on destocking? Do you still see some lingering impacts into, you know, early part of the year, just given the sequence of what unfolded last year?
Speaker #7: I guess, Adam, if we go back to the dispensing closure segment and think about it from a high-level standpoint for 2025, right? So, I think you started to see the destocking impact on beverage pretty early on, relative to the initial guidance, and then it broadened to other categories as the year unfolded.
Speaker #7: Have you seen normalization in demand for the categories that were initially into the downturn and just more broadly where are we on destocking? Do you still see some lingering impacts into early part of the year just given the sequence of what unfolded last year?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Yeah, I think you've pretty much got that right, Ghansham. So, the food and beverage destocking activity really took place for us. We saw that in Q2. And to your point, you know, the rest of the year in food and beverage roughly played out as we expected. We think those volumes are now normalized. We think that year-end inventory levels in the system are at the level that our customers had targeted for year-end. And as we turn the page going to 2026, you know, we're calling out comparable volumes for food and beverage. So, we had a little bit of destocking in Q4 for our personal care and home care products in the segment.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Yeah, I think you've pretty much got that right, Ghansham. So, the food and beverage destocking activity really took place for us. We saw that in Q2. And to your point, you know, the rest of the year in food and beverage roughly played out as we expected. We think those volumes are now normalized. We think that year-end inventory levels in the system are at the level that our customers had targeted for year-end. And as we turn the page going to 2026, you know, we're calling out comparable volumes for food and beverage. So, we had a little bit of destocking in Q4 for our personal care and home care products in the segment.
Speaker #4: Sure. Yeah, I think you pretty much got that right, Goncham. So the food and beverage destocking activity really took place for us. We saw that in Q2.
Speaker #4: And to your point, the rest of the year in Food and Beverage roughly played out as we expected. We think those volumes are now normalized.
Speaker #4: We think that year-end inventory levels in the system are at the level that our customers had targeted for year-end. And as we turn the page going to 2026, we're calling out comparable volumes for food and beverage.
Speaker #4: So we had a little bit of destocking in Q4 for our personal care and home care products in the segment. We believe that is completed in Q4 and won't have an impact on Q1 volumes for the dispensing, especially closure segment.
Adam Greenlee: We believe that is completed in Q4 and won't have an impact on Q1 volumes for the dispensing, especially closure segment. Shifting gears slightly, there is a little bit of a carryover of destocking for custom containers, and really, that just is the simple a probably unique position that that business has in our portfolio. As you know, Ghansham, most of our customer relationships are direct. We've got a 10% to 15% distribution business in our custom containers or our plastic bottle business. And typically, destocking just takes a slightly different timeline in that distribution segment. Again, thinking just the simple fact that there's another layer of inventory in the supply chain.
Adam Greenlee: We believe that is completed in Q4 and won't have an impact on Q1 volumes for the dispensing, especially closure segment. Shifting gears slightly, there is a little bit of a carryover of destocking for custom containers, and really, that just is the simple a probably unique position that that business has in our portfolio. As you know, Ghansham, most of our customer relationships are direct. We've got a 10% to 15% distribution business in our custom containers or our plastic bottle business. And typically, destocking just takes a slightly different timeline in that distribution segment. Again, thinking just the simple fact that there's another layer of inventory in the supply chain.
Speaker #4: Shifting gears slightly, there is a little bit of a carryover of destocking for custom containers. And really, that just is the simple I probably unique position that that business has in our portfolio as you know, Goncham, most of our customer relationships are direct.
Speaker #4: We've got a 10 to 15 percent distribution business in our custom containers or our plastic bottle business. And typically, destocking just takes a slightly different timeline in that distribution segment.
Speaker #4: Again, thinking just the simple fact that there's another layer of inventory in the supply chain. So, typically, destocking starts a little bit later and ends a little bit later.
Adam Greenlee: So typically, destocking starts a little bit later, ends a little bit later, and so we're seeing that carry over a little bit into Q1, saw that activity a little bit in January as well, so that's included in our guidance. But to be really clear about DSC, that destocking activity is now completed as of the end of 2025.
Adam Greenlee: So typically, destocking starts a little bit later, ends a little bit later, and so we're seeing that carry over a little bit into Q1, saw that activity a little bit in January as well, so that's included in our guidance. But to be really clear about DSC, that destocking activity is now completed as of the end of 2025.
Speaker #4: And so we're seeing that carryover a little bit into Q1. Saw that activity a little bit in January as well. So that's included in our guidance.
Speaker #4: But to be really clear about DSC, that destocking activity is now completed as of the end of
Speaker #4: 2025.
Speaker #7: Gotcha. Perfect. Thanks
Ghansham Panjabi: Got you. Perfect. Thanks for that. And then on Wagner Packaging, you know, I think originally when you outlined the logic behind the transaction, it was gonna be additive as it relates to growth, it was very complementary, et cetera. It sounds like the integration is well underway. What about the commercial synergy specific to the asset, you know, the underlying growth that you're seeing there? Any specific wins you can cite as it relates to, you know, strengthening your position in pharmaceuticals and healthcare and so on?
Ghansham Panjabi: Got you. Perfect. Thanks for that. And then on Wagner Packaging, you know, I think originally when you outlined the logic behind the transaction, it was gonna be additive as it relates to growth, it was very complementary, et cetera. It sounds like the integration is well underway. What about the commercial synergy specific to the asset, you know, the underlying growth that you're seeing there? Any specific wins you can cite as it relates to, you know, strengthening your position in pharmaceuticals and healthcare and so on?
Speaker #7: For that. And then on Wiener packaging, I think originally when you outlined the logic behind the transaction, it was going to be additive as it relates to growth.
Speaker #7: It was very complimentary, etc. It sounds like the integration is well underway. What about the commercial synergy specific to the asset? The underlying growth that you're seeing there, any specific wins you can cite as it relates to stuff functioning, your position in pharmaceuticals and healthcare and so on?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. You're right. It's been a great addition to our portfolio. I would say the acquisition integration is now complete. We achieved our synergy targets. You know, we're now 15 months, let's call it, post-acquisition. We've achieved our run rate synergy targets. And I think, you know, you're touching on an item, the commercial synergies, Ghansham. That's really not something we typically include in our synergies, but they're absolutely there in this business, and you're taking two market-leading dispensing businesses and combining them. You know, particularly when you think about Wagner's position in North America, great products, very limited reach, and very limited scope in North America. We've been able to take some of their products, their technology to our large food customers that Silgan has such a great history and relationship with.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. You're right. It's been a great addition to our portfolio. I would say the acquisition integration is now complete. We achieved our synergy targets. You know, we're now 15 months, let's call it, post-acquisition. We've achieved our run rate synergy targets. And I think, you know, you're touching on an item, the commercial synergies, Ghansham. That's really not something we typically include in our synergies, but they're absolutely there in this business, and you're taking two market-leading dispensing businesses and combining them. You know, particularly when you think about Wagner's position in North America, great products, very limited reach, and very limited scope in North America. We've been able to take some of their products, their technology to our large food customers that Silgan has such a great history and relationship with.
Speaker #4: Sure. You're right. It's been a great addition to our portfolio. I would say the acquisition integration is now complete. We achieved our synergy targets; we're now 15 months, let's call it, post-acquisition.
Speaker #4: We've achieved our run-rate synergy targets. And I think you're touching on an item, the commercial synergies, Goncham. That's really not something we typically include in our synergies, but they're absolutely there in this business.
Speaker #4: market-leading dispensing And you're taking two businesses and combining them particularly when you think about Vayner's position in North America, great products, very limited reach, and very limited scope in North America.
Speaker #4: We've been able to take some of their products, their technology, to our large food customers. Silga has such a great history and relationship with.
Speaker #4: And we have been awarded new business, not only on the food side, but some of our other consumer products as well. So I think we're getting the best of both worlds between the two businesses, leveraging those relationships wherever they may exist, whether it's legacy Silgan dispensing or at the Vayner customer relationship level.
Adam Greenlee: We have been awarded new business, not only on the food side, but some of our other consumer products as well. So, you know, I think it's, we're getting the best of both worlds between the two businesses, leveraging those relationships, wherever they may exist, whether it's legacy Silgan dispensing or at the Wagner, customer relationship level, and, and we're seeing growth opportunities on both sides of that equation.
Adam Greenlee: We have been awarded new business, not only on the food side, but some of our other consumer products as well. So, you know, I think it's, we're getting the best of both worlds between the two businesses, leveraging those relationships, wherever they may exist, whether it's legacy Silgan dispensing or at the Wagner, customer relationship level, and, and we're seeing growth opportunities on both sides of that equation.
Speaker #4: And we're seeing growth opportunities on both sides of that equation.
Speaker #7: Okay. Thanks for that.
Ghansham Panjabi: Okay, thanks for that.
Ghansham Panjabi: Okay, thanks for that.
Speaker #6: We go next to the line of Gabe Hady with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Gabe Hady, your line is
Operator: We go next to the line of Gabe Hajde with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Gabe Hajde, your line is open.
Operator: We go next to the line of Gabe Hajde with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Gabe Hajde, your line is open.
Speaker #6: open. Yep.
Gabe Hajde: Yep, sorry about that. Adam, Alex, Sean, good morning. Wanted to ask, we're hearing a lot of mixed messaging from some of your peers as well as, you know, customers trying to navigate the current environment. Don't wanna go down the laundry list, but population trends, affordability, GLP-1, et cetera. We're seeing some restagings, some strategy changes at big CPGs. I'm just curious, in this type of an environment, obviously, nothing has been sort of normal, let's say in the past five, six years. But just as you look across your portfolio, think about your go-to-market strategy, your long-term relationships and contracts, et cetera, do you see the current environment where it seems like customers are looking to reduce cost, complexity, things like that in the supply chain, as an opportunity for Silgan?
Gabriel Hajde: Yep, sorry about that. Adam, Alex, Sean, good morning. Wanted to ask, we're hearing a lot of mixed messaging from some of your peers as well as, you know, customers trying to navigate the current environment. Don't wanna go down the laundry list, but population trends, affordability, GLP-1, et cetera. We're seeing some restagings, some strategy changes at big CPGs. I'm just curious, in this type of an environment, obviously, nothing has been sort of normal, let's say in the past five, six years. But just as you look across your portfolio, think about your go-to-market strategy, your long-term relationships and contracts, et cetera, do you see the current environment where it seems like customers are looking to reduce cost, complexity, things like that in the supply chain, as an opportunity for Silgan?
Speaker #8: Sorry about that. Adam, Alex, Sean, good morning. Wanted to ask, we're hearing a lot of mixed messaging from some of your peers as well as customers trying to navigate the current environment and don't want to go down the laundry list, but population trends, affordability, GLP-1, etc.
Speaker #8: We're seeing some restagings, some strategy changes at big CPGs. I'm just curious, in this type of an environment, obviously, nothing has been sort of normal.
Speaker #8: Let's say in the past five, six years. But just as you look across your portfolio, think about your go-to-market strategy, your long-term relationships and contracts, etc., do you see the current environment where it seems like customers are looking to reduce costs, complexity, things like that in the supply chain, as an opportunity for Silgan?
Speaker #8: And how would you say that's incorporated into your thinking and/or the guidance for—
Gabe Hajde: You know, how would you say that's incorporated into your thinking and/or the guidance for 2026?
Gabriel Hajde: You know, how would you say that's incorporated into your thinking and/or the guidance for 2026?
Speaker #8: '26?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. I mean, I think, you know, 2025 was a very volatile year for all those same reasons that you outlined, Gabe. And, you know, I think, you know, we all had to deal with that one way or another. And I think, you know, for us, you know, the vast majority, I mean, almost all of our products are in the consumer staples category. So, you know, we get away from the discretionary spend quite a bit of our portfolio. So, you know, I think we feel confident that our products continue to have good underlying demand, even with population trends and affordability conversations. You know, the food can, we'll continue to say, even with some inflation that we pass through, is the lowest cost means of getting nutrition to consumers that need it.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. I mean, I think, you know, 2025 was a very volatile year for all those same reasons that you outlined, Gabe. And, you know, I think, you know, we all had to deal with that one way or another. And I think, you know, for us, you know, the vast majority, I mean, almost all of our products are in the consumer staples category. So, you know, we get away from the discretionary spend quite a bit of our portfolio. So, you know, I think we feel confident that our products continue to have good underlying demand, even with population trends and affordability conversations. You know, the food can, we'll continue to say, even with some inflation that we pass through, is the lowest cost means of getting nutrition to consumers that need it.
Speaker #4: mean, I think '25 was a very volatile year for all those same reasons that you outlined, Gabe. And I think we all had to deal with that one way or another.
Speaker #4: think for And I us, the vast majority—I mean, almost all of our products are in the consumer staples category. So we get away from the discretionary spend quite a bit of our portfolio so I think we feel confident that our products continue to have good underlying demand.
Speaker #4: Even with population trends and affordability conversations, the food can will continue to say, even with some inflation, that we pass through is the lowest cost means of getting nutrition to consumers that need it.
Speaker #4: So we feel like our portfolio of products is advantaged in this kind of environment. And I would agree with you that we think there's quite a bit of opportunity.
Adam Greenlee: So we feel like our portfolio of products is advantaged in this kind of environment, and I would agree with you that we think there's quite a bit of opportunity with our customer relationships, our portfolio of products, and, you know, some of the sustainability initiatives that we've got underway, not only just at Silgan, but with our customers as well. Whether it's light weighting or other cost out initiatives, you know, those are always top of mind activities between us and our customers. So to answer your question, Gabe, you know, yes, we think those are opportunities. How that fits into our guidance for 2026, what I'd tell you is, we've actually broadened the kind of view of the unknown risk as it relates to things like population trends, GLP-1s, affordability discussions.
Adam Greenlee: So we feel like our portfolio of products is advantaged in this kind of environment, and I would agree with you that we think there's quite a bit of opportunity with our customer relationships, our portfolio of products, and, you know, some of the sustainability initiatives that we've got underway, not only just at Silgan, but with our customers as well. Whether it's light weighting or other cost out initiatives, you know, those are always top of mind activities between us and our customers. So to answer your question, Gabe, you know, yes, we think those are opportunities. How that fits into our guidance for 2026, what I'd tell you is, we've actually broadened the kind of view of the unknown risk as it relates to things like population trends, GLP-1s, affordability discussions.
Speaker #4: With our customer relationships, our portfolio of products, and some of the sustainability initiatives that we've got, underway not only just at Silgan, but with our customers as well.
Speaker #4: Whether it's lightweighting or other cost-out initiatives, those are always top of mind activities between us and our customers. So to answer your question, Gabe, yes, we think those are opportunities.
Speaker #4: fits into our guidance for How that 2026, what I'd tell you is we've actually broadened the kind of view of the unknown risk as it relates to things like population trends, GLP-1s, affordability discussions.
Adam Greenlee: You know, we've taken probably a more conservative approach to how those opportunities might play out. But, you know, it gives us confidence that our products are well positioned for the marketplace and the volatility that we're all dealing with.
Adam Greenlee: You know, we've taken probably a more conservative approach to how those opportunities might play out. But, you know, it gives us confidence that our products are well positioned for the marketplace and the volatility that we're all dealing with.
Speaker #4: we've taken probably a more conservative approach to how those opportunities might play out. But it gives us confidence that our products are well-positioned for the marketplace and the volatility that we're all dealing
Speaker #4: with. All right.
Gabe Hajde: All right. Thank you for that. One, I guess, digging into maybe Ghansham's question a little bit with Wagner as well, is I wanna say in 2021, you guys had acquired Unicep. But just, anything that you can talk about, maybe higher margin products beyond fragrance, in the dispensing business, where you're seeing growth opportunities. I think you guys were working on a couple of maybe unidose products and things like that.
Gabriel Hajde: All right. Thank you for that. One, I guess, digging into maybe Ghansham's question a little bit with Wagner as well, is I wanna say in 2021, you guys had acquired Unicep. But just, anything that you can talk about, maybe higher margin products beyond fragrance, in the dispensing business, where you're seeing growth opportunities. I think you guys were working on a couple of maybe unidose products and things like that.
Speaker #8: Thank you for that. One, I guess, digging into maybe Goncham's question a little bit with Vayner, as well as I want to say in 2021, you guys had acquired UNICEP.
Speaker #8: But just anything that you can talk about, maybe higher margin products beyond fragrance, in the dispensing business where you're seeing growth opportunities? I think you guys were working on a couple of maybe Unidos products and things like that.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Look, I think healthcare and pharma is probably the next logical step of the conversation, as we've talked about before. And clearly, the margin profile, the growth rates of that part of our portfolio really are similar, if not even stronger than what we've seen in our fragrance and beauty business. The size and scale of our pharma healthcare business, you know, it's growing rapidly, but it started from a much smaller starting point at Silgan. Obviously, with the Vayner acquisition, what we brought in from their healthcare assets and business portfolio has been very complementary, very beneficial. We are continuing to grow. It's a longer development cycle than what I mentioned on fragrance and beauty, as I think you'll all appreciate.
Speaker #4: Sure. Look, I think healthcare and pharma is probably the next logical step of the conversation. As we've talked about before and clearly the margin profile, the growth rates of that part of our portfolio really are similar, if not even stronger, than what we've seen in our fragrance and beauty business.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Look, I think healthcare and pharma is probably the next logical step of the conversation, as we've talked about before. And clearly, the margin profile, the growth rates of that part of our portfolio really are similar, if not even stronger than what we've seen in our fragrance and beauty business. The size and scale of our pharma healthcare business, you know, it's growing rapidly, but it started from a much smaller starting point at Silgan. Obviously, with the Vayner acquisition, what we brought in from their healthcare assets and business portfolio has been very complementary, very beneficial. We are continuing to grow. It's a longer development cycle than what I mentioned on fragrance and beauty, as I think you'll all appreciate.
Speaker #4: The size and scale of our pharma healthcare business—it's growing rapidly, but it started from a much smaller starting point at Silgan. Obviously, with the Vayner acquisition, what we brought in from their healthcare assets and business portfolio has been very complementary, very beneficial.
Speaker #4: We are continuing to grow. It's a longer development cycle than what I mentioned on fragrance and beauty, as I think you'll all appreciate. So yes, we've been working for many years on some of these products.
Adam Greenlee: So yes, we've been working for many years on, on some of these products and, and have some that are reaching market now, some that are in final stage development. But the pipeline is as strong and active as we've seen, you know, really since you go all the way back to, to, the acquisition of WestRock. And I think as, you know, we were talking at one point that it would be disappointing if we didn't double the size of our healthcare business in, in call it, the next three to five years.
Adam Greenlee: So yes, we've been working for many years on, on some of these products and, and have some that are reaching market now, some that are in final stage development. But the pipeline is as strong and active as we've seen, you know, really since you go all the way back to, to, the acquisition of WestRock. And I think as, you know, we were talking at one point that it would be disappointing if we didn't double the size of our healthcare business in, in call it, the next three to five years.
Speaker #4: And have some that are reaching market now, some that are in final stage development. But the pipeline is as strong and active as we've seen really since you go all the way back to the acquisition of Westrock.
Speaker #4: And I think we were talking at one point that it would be disappointing if we didn't double the size of our healthcare business and call it the next three to five
Speaker #4: And I think we were talking at one point that it would be disappointing if we didn't double the size of our healthcare business and call it the next three to five years.
Speaker #8: Great. Thank you.
Gabe Hajde: Great. Thank you.
Gabriel Hajde: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Sure. We turn next to Mike
Operator: We turn next to Mike Roxland with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: We turn next to Mike Roxland with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Roxland with Truist Securities. Your line is
Speaker #6: open. Thanks, guys, for taking my
Mike Roxland: Thanks, guys, for taking my questions. Shawn, congrats on the role. Bob, congrats on your upcoming retirement. It's been great working with you. First question, and I just wanna follow up on what Gabe mentioned in terms of Vayner: can you provide some more color just around the wins that you achieved? You mentioned that in your, in some of your remarks. So tell me the type of products that were, or maybe speak broadly about the type of products that you gained wins in and what type of growth you're expecting this year from Vayner with those wins.
Michael Roxland: Thanks, guys, for taking my questions. Shawn, congrats on the role. Bob, congrats on your upcoming retirement. It's been great working with you. First question, and I just wanna follow up on what Gabe mentioned in terms of Vayner: can you provide some more color just around the wins that you achieved? You mentioned that in your, in some of your remarks. So tell me the type of products that were, or maybe speak broadly about the type of products that you gained wins in and what type of growth you're expecting this year from Vayner with those wins.
Speaker #9: questions. Sean, congrats on the role. Bob, congrats on your upcoming retirement. It's been great working with you. First question that, Adam, I just want to follow up on what Gabe mentioned in terms of Vayner.
Speaker #9: Can you provide some more color just around the wins that you achieved? You mentioned that in your in some of your remarks. So comment on the type of products that were or maybe speak broadly about the type of products that you've gained wins in and what type of growth you're expecting this year from Vayner with those wins.
Speaker #4: Yeah, I think, again, I'll try to say, Mike, that Vayner has been fully integrated into our dispensing business. So, when we talk about dispensing products growing at a mid-single digit, that's including Vayner.
Adam Greenlee: Yeah, I think, you know, again, we'll try to say, Mike, that, you know, Vayner's been fully integrated into our dispensing business. So when we talk about dispensing products growing at a mid-single digit, that's including Vayner. And again, we fully lapped the comparative. You know, we acquired the business, I think, in the middle of October 2024. So you know, those results, for the most part, were already fully comparable in our Q4 results. So, you know, I think combined, we feel confident with that mid-single digit growth. I mean, you know, the product portfolio and where we're able to get new business awards with the combination. I'll give you a great example again.
Adam Greenlee: Yeah, I think, you know, again, we'll try to say, Mike, that, you know, Vayner's been fully integrated into our dispensing business. So when we talk about dispensing products growing at a mid-single digit, that's including Vayner. And again, we fully lapped the comparative. You know, we acquired the business, I think, in the middle of October 2024. So you know, those results, for the most part, were already fully comparable in our Q4 results. So, you know, I think combined, we feel confident with that mid-single digit growth. I mean, you know, the product portfolio and where we're able to get new business awards with the combination. I'll give you a great example again.
Speaker #4: And again, we fully lapped the comparative we acquired the business, I think, in the middle of October of 2024. So those results for the most part were already fully comparable in our fourth quarter results.
Speaker #4: So I think combined we feel confident with that mid-single digit growth. I mean, the product portfolio and where we're able to get new business awards with the combination I'll give you a great example.
Speaker #4: Again, in the North American market, we talked a lot about during the acquisition that they have a terrific valve technology. For their business and for their portfolio of products.
Adam Greenlee: In the North American market, you know, we talked a lot about during the acquisition that they have a terrific valve technology for their business and for their portfolio of products. That's really something that we were very small in at Silgan, and we've been able to take that technology and apply it with other customers that really advanced kind of Silgan technology with existing customers. So, you know, I don't know how we wanna give credit there. It's an existing customer for Silgan, and we're using Vayner's technology, so I think we all win in that scenario, including our customers. But it's really the power of the combination is, I think, the bigger part of the discussion. We have some other products, again, just that, you know, deodorant products that are winning.
Adam Greenlee: In the North American market, you know, we talked a lot about during the acquisition that they have a terrific valve technology for their business and for their portfolio of products. That's really something that we were very small in at Silgan, and we've been able to take that technology and apply it with other customers that really advanced kind of Silgan technology with existing customers. So, you know, I don't know how we wanna give credit there. It's an existing customer for Silgan, and we're using Vayner's technology, so I think we all win in that scenario, including our customers. But it's really the power of the combination is, I think, the bigger part of the discussion. We have some other products, again, just that, you know, deodorant products that are winning.
Speaker #4: And that's really something that we were very small in at Silgan. And we've been able to take that technology and apply it with other customers that really advance kind of Silgan technology with existing customers.
Speaker #4: So I don't know how we want to give credit there. It's an existing customer for Silgan. think we all win in that scenario, And we're using Vayner's technology.
Speaker #4: So I including our customers. But it's really the power of the combination, as I think the bigger part of the discussion. We have some other products, again, just that deodorant products that are winning.
Speaker #4: I think they were a little stronger in some of their personal care kind of shower, multi-use products with dispensing closures. And we've just been able to continue to leverage that strength on the Vayner side and grow out that part of our portfolio particularly in North America with our existing customer
Adam Greenlee: I think they were a little stronger in some of their personal care, kind of shower, you know, multi-use products with dispensing closures. We've just been able to continue to leverage that strength on the Vayner side and grow out that part of our portfolio, particularly in North America with our existing customer base.
Adam Greenlee: I think they were a little stronger in some of their personal care, kind of shower, you know, multi-use products with dispensing closures. We've just been able to continue to leverage that strength on the Vayner side and grow out that part of our portfolio, particularly in North America with our existing customer base.
Speaker #4: base. Got it.
Mike Roxland: Got it. Very helpful. Appreciate the color there, Adam. And just one quick follow-up. In the past, I believe one of your peers around metal containers may have picked up some of the tomato business, which cost you some share. With this bankruptcy settlement, it appears that one of the asset buyers is getting some of that business back. And so could you potentially regain some of the tomato share that you previously lost? And then relatedly, you mentioned in your script that you'd expect no further issues from this customer that was in bankruptcy. If there are no other changes and the assets continue to run as is, can you remind us as to the total EBITDA loss in metal containers, if any?
Michael Roxland: Got it. Very helpful. Appreciate the color there, Adam. And just one quick follow-up. In the past, I believe one of your peers around metal containers may have picked up some of the tomato business, which cost you some share. With this bankruptcy settlement, it appears that one of the asset buyers is getting some of that business back. And so could you potentially regain some of the tomato share that you previously lost? And then relatedly, you mentioned in your script that you'd expect no further issues from this customer that was in bankruptcy. If there are no other changes and the assets continue to run as is, can you remind us as to the total EBITDA loss in metal containers, if any?
Speaker #9: Very helpful. Appreciate the color there, Adam. Just one quick follow-up. In the past, I believe one of your peers around medical containers may have picked up some of the tomato business.
Speaker #9: Which costs you some share. With this bankruptcy settlement, it appears that one of the asset buyers is getting some of that business back. And so could you potentially regain some of the tomato share that you previously lost?
Speaker #9: And then relatedly, you mentioned in your script that you'd expect no further issues from this customer that was in bankruptcy. If there are no other changes on the assets continue to run as is, can you remind us as to the total EBITDA loss in medical containers if any?
Mike Roxland: I'm not saying there is any, but if there is any EBITDA, if there's a reset lower, could you remind us what that is, and does Silgan still intend to pursue M&A, any asset rationalization and consolidation in metal containers? Thank you.
Speaker #9: I'm not saying there is any, but if there is any EBITDA, if there's a reset lower, could you remind us what that is? And the Silgan still intends to pursue any asset rationalization and consolidation in medical containers?
Michael Roxland: I'm not saying there is any, but if there is any EBITDA, if there's a reset lower, could you remind us what that is, and does Silgan still intend to pursue M&A, any asset rationalization and consolidation in metal containers? Thank you.
Speaker #9: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Sure. And maybe I think the first thing I would say, Mike, is that the situation with that customer is not fully resolved. It's a process.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. And maybe... I think the first thing I would say, Mike, is that, you know, the situation with that customer is not fully resolved. It's a process, and they're making progress in the process. So you're right, there was an auction, and there were 3 winners of the auction. I mean, the business that we're talking about really falls into 3 categories. There's a broth business, a fruit business, and a core vegetable business. So, good news for us is that, from an outcome, again, there's still procedural steps that have to be taken before, you know, the winners of the auction actually take over the assets and the brands. But, the broth and the fruit are going to our customers, that we supply today, and so we feel pretty good about the ongoing relationship there.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. And maybe... I think the first thing I would say, Mike, is that, you know, the situation with that customer is not fully resolved. It's a process, and they're making progress in the process. So you're right, there was an auction, and there were 3 winners of the auction. I mean, the business that we're talking about really falls into 3 categories. There's a broth business, a fruit business, and a core vegetable business. So, good news for us is that, from an outcome, again, there's still procedural steps that have to be taken before, you know, the winners of the auction actually take over the assets and the brands. But, the broth and the fruit are going to our customers, that we supply today, and so we feel pretty good about the ongoing relationship there.
Speaker #4: And they're making progress in the process. So you're right. There was an auction, and there were three winners of the auction. I mean, the business that we're talking about really falls into three categories.
Speaker #4: There's a broth business, a fruit business, and a core vegetable business. So good news for us is that from an outcome, again, there's still procedural steps that have to be taken before the winners of the auction actually take over
Speaker #1: and the assets Over brands , but the the broth and the fruit are going to our customers . That we today . supply And so we feel pretty good about the ongoing relationship .
Speaker #1: There . The veg business is a new player that we supply today , and so we feel pretty good about the ongoing relationship .
Adam Greenlee: The veg business is a new player into canned vegetables, but a prominent player in the fresh category. So you know, I look at that and I say, you know, on the veg side, we are co-located. It's we are incredibly well positioned to continue to supply all of the can requirements that that new customer would need to continue to operate the facility, where we are co-located. So, I think that, you know, again, we'll see what happens as final resolution plays out. You know, we're taking, again, a cautious approach to our thoughts here. We don't think there's significant upside. We don't think there's significant risk from where we are either because of those ongoing relationships and the supply situation of where we are.
Adam Greenlee: The veg business is a new player into canned vegetables, but a prominent player in the fresh category. So you know, I look at that and I say, you know, on the veg side, we are co-located. It's we are incredibly well positioned to continue to supply all of the can requirements that that new customer would need to continue to operate the facility, where we are co-located. So, I think that, you know, again, we'll see what happens as final resolution plays out. You know, we're taking, again, a cautious approach to our thoughts here. We don't think there's significant upside. We don't think there's significant risk from where we are either because of those ongoing relationships and the supply situation of where we are.
Speaker #1: There . The veg business is a new player into canned vegetables , but a prominent player in fresh the category , so you know , I look at that and say , you know on the veg side we are I co-located .
Speaker #1: we are It's incredibly well positioned to continue to supply all of the canned requirements that that new customer would need to continue to , operate the facility where we are co-located .
Speaker #1: So I that , you know , again , think we'll see what happens as final resolution plays out . You know , taking a we're a again , cautious approach to to our thoughts here .
Speaker #1: We don't think there's significant don't think upside . We there's significant risk we are from where either because of those ongoing relationships and the supply situation of where we are regarding our facilities .
Adam Greenlee: Regarding our facilities, again, we're gonna wait and make sure we understand exactly what the go forward position is once the proceedings have reached a resolution. But, you know, we—as part of our $50 million cost reduction program, we had closed a facility in 2024 that was supplying fruit products to that customer, and we consolidated that into other operations to get the benefit of the consolidation. So really nothing to do from that perspective. And, you know, I think it's a great question for the next earnings call. Hopefully, the entire process will be resolved. But, you know, for us, Mike, I don't view 2026 as having any further risk than what we experienced in 2025.
Adam Greenlee: Regarding our facilities, again, we're gonna wait and make sure we understand exactly what the go forward position is once the proceedings have reached a resolution. But, you know, we—as part of our $50 million cost reduction program, we had closed a facility in 2024 that was supplying fruit products to that customer, and we consolidated that into other operations to get the benefit of the consolidation. So really nothing to do from that perspective. And, you know, I think it's a great question for the next earnings call. Hopefully, the entire process will be resolved. But, you know, for us, Mike, I don't view 2026 as having any further risk than what we experienced in 2025.
Speaker #1: Again , we're going to wait and make sure we understand exactly what the go forward position is proceedings have have reached a . Once the resolution , but , you know , as part of our $50 million cost reduction program , we had closed a facility in 2024 that was supplying fruit products to that customer .
Speaker #1: And we consolidated that into other operations to get the benefit of the consolidation . So really from that nothing to do perspective . And , you know , it's a the next Hopefully earnings the great call .
Speaker #1: process will be resolved . But , you know , for us . Mike , I don't don't view 2026 as having any risk than what we experienced further in 2025 .
Mike Roxland: Got it. Great to hear, Adam. Good luck in the quarter and the year.
Michael Roxland: Got it. Great to hear, Adam. Good luck in the quarter and the year.
Adam Greenlee: Thank you.
Adam Greenlee: Thank you.
Operator: Our next question comes from Anthony Pettinari with Citi. Your line's open.
Operator: Our next question comes from Anthony Pettinari with Citi. Your line's open.
Speaker #2: Got it . Great to hear Adam . Good luck in in the quarter and the year .
Speaker #1: you Thank .
Anthony Pettinari: Good morning. You know, with regards to the steel and aluminum tariffs, you know, is it your view that customers and consumers have sort of fully absorbed the impact of the tariffs, and it's, you know, reflected in their behavior and the price of the package? Or is it possible that you could see some kind of lagged customer change or consumer change over the course of the year, you know, either changing product positioning or consumer change in behavior? Just wondering how you kind of think about that in 2026.
Anthony Pettinari: Good morning. You know, with regards to the steel and aluminum tariffs, you know, is it your view that customers and consumers have sort of fully absorbed the impact of the tariffs, and it's, you know, reflected in their behavior and the price of the package? Or is it possible that you could see some kind of lagged customer change or consumer change over the course of the year, you know, either changing product positioning or consumer change in behavior? Just wondering how you kind of think about that in 2026.
Speaker #3: next Our comes question from Anthony Pettinari with Citi . Your line is open .
Speaker #4: Good morning You know , with . with regards the to steel and aluminum tariffs , is it your view that customers and consumers have sort of fully absorbed the impact of the it's , you tariffs .
Speaker #4: And reflected in their behavior and the price of the package. Or is it possible that you could see kind of some lagged customer change or consumer change over the course of the year?
Speaker #4: You know , either changing product positioning or consumer change in behavior , just just wondering how you kind of think about that in 2026 .
Adam Greenlee: Yeah. Well, and maybe let's start with 25. It was a very volatile year on raw material costs because of those tariffs and, you know, kind of the limited notice that we had to deal with that prior to the implementation of those tariffs. And Anthony, as you very well know, you know, our contracts are sort of designed to make sure we are insulated from those kinds of activities. So, you know, we contractually pass through those costs and those tariffs onto our customers and they then onto the consumer. So, you know, I think, you know, those tariffs were kind of, let's just round about call it mid-year, you know, April, May, June of 2025. So there is some full year annualization of those costs in 2026 as we get a full year impact of those.
Adam Greenlee: Yeah. Well, and maybe let's start with 25. It was a very volatile year on raw material costs because of those tariffs and, you know, kind of the limited notice that we had to deal with that prior to the implementation of those tariffs. And Anthony, as you very well know, you know, our contracts are sort of designed to make sure we are insulated from those kinds of activities. So, you know, we contractually pass through those costs and those tariffs onto our customers and they then onto the consumer. So, you know, I think, you know, those tariffs were kind of, let's just round about call it mid-year, you know, April, May, June of 2025. So there is some full year annualization of those costs in 2026 as we get a full year impact of those.
Speaker #1: Yeah . Well , and maybe let's start with 25 . It was a very volatile year on on raw material costs because of those tariffs .
Speaker #1: And , you know , kind of the , the limited notice that we had to deal with that prior to the implementation of those tariffs .
Speaker #1: And Anthony as you know , well know , contracts our of are you very are sort designed to make sure we are insulated kinds of from those activities .
Speaker #1: So , you know , we contractually pass through those costs and those tariffs onto our customers . And they then onto the consumer .
Speaker #1: So , you know , I think , you know , those were kind of tariffs let's just round about call it mid-year . You know April , May June of 25 .
Speaker #1: So there is some full year annualization of of those costs in 2026 as we get a full impact year of those . I do think the market has those absorbed costs in many cases .
Adam Greenlee: I do think the market has absorbed those costs. In many cases, our customers have passed those costs on through to consumers, and they're now really challenging themselves on kind of promotional activity, trying to understand what the price elasticity is across the board for those products. But to be really clear, the food can, we still think is competitively advantaged from a cost standpoint on the store shelf. Again, for those consumers that are looking for nutrition, we think it's the lowest cost means of getting nutrition to those consumers. So you know, we're still talking to our customers about their pricing activities for 2026. And it's a blend. It's different by customer, as you can imagine. There's a blend of promotional activity trying to drive some volume. There's also, you know, still some conversation about cost recovery.
Adam Greenlee: I do think the market has absorbed those costs. In many cases, our customers have passed those costs on through to consumers, and they're now really challenging themselves on kind of promotional activity, trying to understand what the price elasticity is across the board for those products. But to be really clear, the food can, we still think is competitively advantaged from a cost standpoint on the store shelf. Again, for those consumers that are looking for nutrition, we think it's the lowest cost means of getting nutrition to those consumers. So you know, we're still talking to our customers about their pricing activities for 2026. And it's a blend. It's different by customer, as you can imagine. There's a blend of promotional activity trying to drive some volume. There's also, you know, still some conversation about cost recovery.
Speaker #1: Our customers had passed those costs on through to consumers , and they're now really challenging themselves on kind of promotional activity , trying to understand what the price elasticity is across the board for those products .
Speaker #1: But to be really clear , the food can we still think is competitively a from standpoint cost on the store shelf . Again , for those consumers that for nutrition , we think it's the lowest are looking cost means of of getting those nutrition to consumers .
Speaker #1: So , you know , there we're still talking to our customers about their their pricing activities for 2026 . And it's a blend .
Speaker #1: It's different by customers . You can imagine blend there's a of of promotional activity trying to drive some volume . There's also , you know , still some conversation about cost recovery .
Adam Greenlee: So I think we'll see it play out more as we get through the year, but I think it's a balanced approach that all of that means. I think it's fairly well absorbed in the market. I think our volumes, again, nice growth for food cans in 2025. We'll see continued growth in 2026 as well. So we think that particular package is positioned very well, even with the tariffs that they've already incurred.
Adam Greenlee: So I think we'll see it play out more as we get through the year, but I think it's a balanced approach that all of that means. I think it's fairly well absorbed in the market. I think our volumes, again, nice growth for food cans in 2025. We'll see continued growth in 2026 as well. So we think that particular package is positioned very well, even with the tariffs that they've already incurred.
Speaker #1: So I think we'll see it play out more as we get through the year. But I think it's a balanced approach—that's what all of that means.
Speaker #1: I think it's fairly well absorbed in the market . I think our volumes again , nice food growth for cans in 2025 . We'll see continued growth in 2026 as well .
Speaker #1: So we think that particular package is positioned very well , even with the they've already incurred tariffs that .
Anthony Pettinari: Got it. Got it. That's very helpful. And then just switching gears and following up on healthcare and the opportunity there. I think you disclosed that healthcare was 3% of sales in 2024, maybe at better than company margins. When you talked about doubling, I think, over the next few years. So I guess, just to make sure I got it right, should we think about healthcare maybe going from low single digit percentage sales, maybe to high single digit percent of sales, you know, in the next, you know, 3 years or so, or something like that? And I guess, related, are there acquisitions that could really accelerate that exposure, or is it really more kind of the organic growth with, you know, clean rooms and all the stuff that you're doing internally?
Anthony Pettinari: Got it. Got it. That's very helpful. And then just switching gears and following up on healthcare and the opportunity there. I think you disclosed that healthcare was 3% of sales in 2024, maybe at better than company margins. When you talked about doubling, I think, over the next few years. So I guess, just to make sure I got it right, should we think about healthcare maybe going from low single digit percentage sales, maybe to high single digit percent of sales, you know, in the next, you know, 3 years or so, or something like that? And I guess, related, are there acquisitions that could really accelerate that exposure, or is it really more kind of the organic growth with, you know, clean rooms and all the stuff that you're doing internally?
Speaker #4: Got it , got it . That's very helpful . And then switching just gears healthcare on and and the opportunity there , I think you disclosed healthcare was 3% of sales in 2024 .
Speaker #4: Maybe at better than company margins . When you talked about doubling , I think over the next few years . So I guess just to make sure I got it right , should we think about healthcare , maybe going from low single percentage digit sales maybe to high single digit percent of sales , you know , in the next three years or so or something like that .
Speaker #4: And I guess related , are there acquisitions that could really accelerate that exposure it really more kind of the organic growth with clean rooms and all the stuff that you're doing internally ?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. You know, again, it's a great market. We're excited that we're continuing to grow and what the future looks like for our healthcare business. So I think you're right. I think you mentioned the 2024 number, so it's grown a little bit beyond kind of that number. I would say we're still in that $200-ish million, just as a proxy of total revenue. So could that easily get to $400 million over the course of the next couple of years? Yes, we absolutely think so. How do we get there?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. You know, again, it's a great market. We're excited that we're continuing to grow and what the future looks like for our healthcare business. So I think you're right. I think you mentioned the 2024 number, so it's grown a little bit beyond kind of that number. I would say we're still in that $200-ish million, just as a proxy of total revenue. So could that easily get to $400 million over the course of the next couple of years? Yes, we absolutely think so. How do we get there?
Speaker #1: . You know , again , Sure it's a great market . We're we're excited that we're continuing to grow . And what the future looks like for our healthcare business .
Speaker #1: So I think you're right . I think you mentioned a 2024 number . So it's it's little bit beyond kind grown a of that number .
Speaker #1: I would say we're still in that $200 million-ish range, just as a proxy of total revenue. Could that easily get to $400 million over the course of the next couple of years?
Adam Greenlee: That's with our own pipeline, and that's with our own kind of contractual obligations that we've already secured over the next 3 to 5 years with the drugs and pharma and healthcare products that, that are in development with our largest customers. I think you raised a really good point, Anthony, that, you know, I think as we, you know, have continued to expand our Dispensing and Specialty Closures segment, with each acquisition, we say it, it opens a broader horizon for future acquisition opportunities. Vayner is a great example. It brought a lot of different products, but it brought a very strong healthcare business with it, and we think that opens up even more opportunities from a corporate development perspective and where we can inorganically continue to grow out the business as we've done in the past.
Adam Greenlee: That's with our own pipeline, and that's with our own kind of contractual obligations that we've already secured over the next 3 to 5 years with the drugs and pharma and healthcare products that, that are in development with our largest customers. I think you raised a really good point, Anthony, that, you know, I think as we, you know, have continued to expand our Dispensing and Specialty Closures segment, with each acquisition, we say it, it opens a broader horizon for future acquisition opportunities. Vayner is a great example. It brought a lot of different products, but it brought a very strong healthcare business with it, and we think that opens up even more opportunities from a corporate development perspective and where we can inorganically continue to grow out the business as we've done in the past.
Speaker #1: Yes , we absolutely think . How do we get there ? That's with our own pipeline . And that's with our own kind of contractual obligations that we've already secured over the next 3 to 5 years with the drugs and pharma and healthcare products that that are in development with our largest customers .
Speaker #1: I think you raised a really good point , Anthony , that , you know , I think as we , you know , have continued to expand our dispensing and specialty closures segment with each acquisition .
Speaker #1: We say it opens a broader horizon for future acquisition opportunities . Vayner is a great example . It brought a lot of different products , but it brought a very strong healthcare business it .
Speaker #1: And we think that with up even more opens opportunities from a corporate development perspective . And where we can inorganically continue to the business grow out as we've done in the past .
Adam Greenlee: So, I think we even said it in maybe some of the prepared remarks. You know, the opportunities for organic and inorganic growth for Silgan are probably as great as at any time in my 21 years that I've been with the company. And, you know, we're extremely positive and excited about what the future, particularly in healthcare products, looks like for the company.
Adam Greenlee: So, I think we even said it in maybe some of the prepared remarks. You know, the opportunities for organic and inorganic growth for Silgan are probably as great as at any time in my 21 years that I've been with the company. And, you know, we're extremely positive and excited about what the future, particularly in healthcare products, looks like for the company.
Speaker #1: So I think we even said it and maybe some of the prepared remarks , you know , the opportunities for organic and inorganic growth for Silgan are probably as great as at any time in my 21 years that I've been with the company .
Speaker #1: And , you know , we're we're extremely positive and excited about what the future , particularly in healthcare products , looks like for the company .
Anthony Pettinari: Great, that's very helpful. I'll turn it over, and congrats to Bob and Shawn.
Anthony Pettinari: Great, that's very helpful. I'll turn it over, and congrats to Bob and Shawn.
Operator: Once again, that is star one to signal for a question. We'll move next to Daniel Rizzo with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Operator: Once again, that is star one to signal for a question. We'll move next to Daniel Rizzo with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Great , great . That's that's very helpful . I'll turn it over and congrats to Bob and Sean .
Speaker #3: Once again , that is star one to signal for a question . We'll move next to Daniel Rizzo with Jefferies . Please go ahead .
Daniel Rizzo: Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. So, not to belabor the point, but on the last call, I thought the consumer caution within the dispensing and also in custom containers was kind of a something that bore watching because of, because of, again, affordability issues and things like that. But it does, it seems to have faded. So I was wondering if that was just kind of a temporary blip amongst your customers or something that kind of bears monitoring over the rest of the year?
Daniel Rizzo: Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. So, not to belabor the point, but on the last call, I thought the consumer caution within the dispensing and also in custom containers was kind of a something that bore watching because of, because of, again, affordability issues and things like that. But it does, it seems to have faded. So I was wondering if that was just kind of a temporary blip amongst your customers or something that kind of bears monitoring over the rest of the year?
Speaker #5: Good morning . Thank you for taking my questions . So not to belabor the point , but on the last call , I thought the consumer caution within dispensing and also in custom containers was kind of a something that bear watching because of , because of , again , affordability issues and things like that .
Speaker #5: But it seems to have faded . So I was was just kind of a blip wondering if that amongst your customers something that's , or it's kind of bears monitoring over the rest of the year .
Adam Greenlee: Well, I definitely think it bears monitoring over the course of the year. I think, you know, what I was trying to convey, Dan, is that in that affordability discussion, we think our products are incredibly well positioned to be a very positive value driver for customers that are seeking affordability across a whole bunch of different products. And that's really where a good swath of our portfolio sits. So we actually encourage that conversation and, you know, we'll be watching it closely, but we think our products are very well positioned for that discussion.
Adam Greenlee: Well, I definitely think it bears monitoring over the course of the year. I think, you know, what I was trying to convey, Dan, is that in that affordability discussion, we think our products are incredibly well positioned to be a very positive value driver for customers that are seeking affordability across a whole bunch of different products. And that's really where a good swath of our portfolio sits. So we actually encourage that conversation and, you know, we'll be watching it closely, but we think our products are very well positioned for that discussion.
Speaker #1: Well , I definitely think it bears monitoring over the course of the year . I think , you know , what I was trying to convey , Dan , is that that in affordability discussion , we think our are incredibly well positioned to be a a very positive value driver for customers that are seeking affordability across a whole bunch of different products .
Speaker #1: And and that's really where a good swath of our portfolio sits . So we , we actually encourage that conversation . And , you know , we'll be watching it closely .
Daniel Rizzo: Right. And then with everything that's happened with your the bankruptcy with the customer, does that change how you kind of, I don't know, design contracts or do business with a customer like that, or just in Metal Containers in general? I mean, is this just kind of a one-off thing that you just move past?
Daniel Rizzo: Right. And then with everything that's happened with your the bankruptcy with the customer, does that change how you kind of, I don't know, design contracts or do business with a customer like that, or just in Metal Containers in general? I mean, is this just kind of a one-off thing that you just move past?
Speaker #1: But we think our products are very well positioned for that discussion .
Speaker #5: right . All And then with everything that's happened with your the customer , bankruptcy , with does that change how you kind of I don't know , design contracts or do business with the customer like that or just in in metal containers in general ?
Adam Greenlee: Well, and again, I think since our, our founding, this would be the first large customer bankruptcy that we dealt with in our, our metal containers business. And I, you know, I, I go back to the contractual nature of, of this part of our portfolio, that it's just the contracts have, have been so well written, so well written over a long period of time that, you know, the, the company did not face any detriment, during the course of one of our large customers going bankruptcy during the year. So, you know, our teams did a great job of protecting the company, but in fairness, the, the contracts allows us to do that as well.
Adam Greenlee: Well, and again, I think since our, our founding, this would be the first large customer bankruptcy that we dealt with in our, our metal containers business. And I, you know, I, I go back to the contractual nature of, of this part of our portfolio, that it's just the contracts have, have been so well written, so well written over a long period of time that, you know, the, the company did not face any detriment, during the course of one of our large customers going bankruptcy during the year. So, you know, our teams did a great job of protecting the company, but in fairness, the, the contracts allows us to do that as well.
Speaker #5: mean , is this just kind of a one off I thing that you just past ?
Speaker #1: Well , again , I think since our founding , this would be the first large customer bankruptcy that we dealt with in our metal containers business .
Speaker #1: And I , you know , I go back to the contractual nature of of this part of our portfolio that it's just the contracts have been so well written , so well written over a long period of time that , you know , the company did not face any detriment during the course of one of our large customers going bankruptcy during the year .
Adam Greenlee: So, you know, I think it's just, Dan, it's more of the same as far as the contractual nature and the protections that we build into those contracts to make sure we protect our company and our shareholders from any adverse outcome.
Adam Greenlee: So, you know, I think it's just, Dan, it's more of the same as far as the contractual nature and the protections that we build into those contracts to make sure we protect our company and our shareholders from any adverse outcome.
Speaker #1: you know , our teams did So , job of protecting the company . But in fairness , the the contracts allows us to do that as well .
Speaker #1: So , you know , I think it's just Dan , it's more of the same as far as the contractual nature and the protections that we build to in those contracts to make sure protect our company we and our shareholders from , from any adverse outcome .
Daniel Rizzo: All right. Thank you very much.
Daniel Rizzo: All right. Thank you very much.
Operator: We'll go next to Anojja Shah with UBS. Please go ahead.
Operator: We'll go next to Anojja Shah with UBS. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: Thank you very much .
Anojja Shah: Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. We have some new FDA food guidelines that came out recently promoting protein, and it seems to me like that would be pretty positive for your metal cans business. Do you see that as a significant opportunity for you, or are there offsets elsewhere in the portfolio from these guidelines?
Anojla Shah: Hi, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. We have some new FDA food guidelines that came out recently promoting protein, and it seems to me like that would be pretty positive for your metal cans business. Do you see that as a significant opportunity for you, or are there offsets elsewhere in the portfolio from these guidelines?
Speaker #3: We'll go next to Anna Shah with Please go UBS . ahead
Speaker #3: .
Speaker #6: Hi. Thanks to everyone this morning for taking my questions. We have some new FDA food guidelines that came out recently promoting protein.
Speaker #6: And it seems that would be pretty positive to me, like for your metal cans business. Do you see that as a significant opportunity for you there, or are there offsets elsewhere in the portfolio from these guidelines?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. I think, you know, we're working very closely with our customers to make sure that we help them position products into the marketplace to really accommodate or maybe incorporate the new FDA guidelines. So, you know, we look at protein as part of our portfolio and, you know, our high protein products. Again, the can is a great vehicle to get that nutritional value to consumers. And sure, I mean, we think it's an opportunity, but there are several opportunities that we continue to work on. You know, so I do think we're working with our customers. There's nothing specific that we're outlining in our guidance or anything at all. It's just one of the puts and takes that we would typically consider as we give forward guidance.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. I think, you know, we're working very closely with our customers to make sure that we help them position products into the marketplace to really accommodate or maybe incorporate the new FDA guidelines. So, you know, we look at protein as part of our portfolio and, you know, our high protein products. Again, the can is a great vehicle to get that nutritional value to consumers. And sure, I mean, we think it's an opportunity, but there are several opportunities that we continue to work on. You know, so I do think we're working with our customers. There's nothing specific that we're outlining in our guidance or anything at all. It's just one of the puts and takes that we would typically consider as we give forward guidance.
Speaker #1: Sure . I think , you know , we're very closely with working our customers to make sure that help that we them position products into the marketplace to really accommodate or maybe incorporate the new FDA guidelines .
Speaker #1: So , you know , we look at protein part of our as portfolio , and , you know , our high protein products .
Speaker #1: Again , the can is a great vehicle to get that value nutritional to consumers . And sure , I mean , we think it's an opportunity , but there are several opportunities that we continue to work on , you know , so I do think we're working with our customers .
Speaker #1: There's nothing specific that we're guiding or anything at all. It's just one of the puts and takes that we would typically consider as we go forward, guidance.
Shawn Fabry: Those are just for context, protein's about 10% of the metal containers volume.
Shawn Fabry: Those are just for context, protein's about 10% of the metal containers volume.
Anojja Shah: Great. Thank you. Okay, thank you for that. And then also just your CapEx this year is stepping up modestly, I think about $10 million year-over-year, and you mentioned dispensing and pet food growth sort of driving that. Any details you can give there on what, where you expect CapEx to step up? And I'll turn it over.
Anojla Shah: Great. Thank you. Okay, thank you for that. And then also just your CapEx this year is stepping up modestly, I think about $10 million year-over-year, and you mentioned dispensing and pet food growth sort of driving that. Any details you can give there on what, where you expect CapEx to step up? And I'll turn it over.
Speaker #7: And and noted just for context , protein is about 10% of the metal containers volume
Speaker #7: And and noted just for context , protein is about 10% of the metal containers volume . Right .
Speaker #6: Thank you . Okay . Thank you for that . And then also just your CapEx this year is stepping up modestly . I think about 10 million year over year .
Speaker #6: And you mentioned dispensing and pet food growth sort of driving that . Any can give there on what details you where you expect CapEx to step up .
Shawn Fabry: Yeah, I think our guidance was $310 million for 2026, and really that's driven by increased growth in pet food, as you mentioned, and dispensing products. We're really happy with our pet food customers, and we were continuing to invest money in that space where we see the growth prospects. And honestly, we're under a long-term agreement to do so. So we're happy to do it and continue to invest in that space where we see the growth.
Shawn Fabry: Yeah, I think our guidance was $310 million for 2026, and really that's driven by increased growth in pet food, as you mentioned, and dispensing products. We're really happy with our pet food customers, and we were continuing to invest money in that space where we see the growth prospects. And honestly, we're under a long-term agreement to do so. So we're happy to do it and continue to invest in that space where we see the growth.
Speaker #6: turn it And I'll over .
Speaker #8: Yeah , I think our this is Sean . I think our guidance 310 million was for And really 2026 . that's by driven that's increased growth in pet food .
Speaker #8: As you and dispensing mentioned, products. We're really happy with our pet food and we customers. We are continuing to invest money in that space where we see the growth prospects.
Speaker #8: honestly , And we're under a long term agreement to do so . So we're happy to and do it continue in that to invest see the growth space where we
Adam Greenlee: And I think, just maybe to add to that, if you look back over the last 30 years of our CapEx portfolio, you know, investments in wet pet food have been very consistent in our CapEx profile. It might not be every year, but we are investing to support that customer growth, again, driving significant volume growth for the company over a very long period of time.... Great. Thank you.
Adam Greenlee: And I think, just maybe to add to that, if you look back over the last 30 years of our CapEx portfolio, you know, investments in wet pet food have been very consistent in our CapEx profile. It might not be every year, but we are investing to support that customer growth, again, driving significant volume growth for the company over a very long period of time.... Great. Thank you.
Speaker #8: .
Speaker #1: I think I just
Speaker #1: maybe to add to that , if And back over the you look last 30 years of of our CapEx portfolio , know , investments in you wet pet food have been very consistent in our CapEx profile might not year , but be every we are investing to support that customer growth .
Speaker #1: Again , driving significant volume growth for the company over a very long of time period .
Operator: We go next to Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: We go next to Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: Great . Thank you .
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks for taking my question. I guess, yeah, first off, congrats to Bob. Great working with you over the last several years, and Shawn, look forward to working with you as well. And then just on the results. So, the guides, I guess, first on volume. So I think you said low to mid single digits in DSC and low single digits in metal, driven by pet food. Just curious on the pet food item, because you do face a pretty tough comp there, and you've seen some volatility. So maybe you can just kind of parse out what drives that and, I guess, where are you in kind of penetration in wet pet?
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks for taking my question. I guess, yeah, first off, congrats to Bob. Great working with you over the last several years, and Shawn, look forward to working with you as well. And then just on the results. So, the guides, I guess, first on volume. So I think you said low to mid single digits in DSC and low single digits in metal, driven by pet food. Just curious on the pet food item, because you do face a pretty tough comp there, and you've seen some volatility. So maybe you can just kind of parse out what drives that and, I guess, where are you in kind of penetration in wet pet?
Speaker #3: go next We to Arun Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets . Please go ahead .
Speaker #9: Thanks for taking my question . I guess first off , congrats to Bob . Great work with you . Over the last several years .
Speaker #9: And Sean, look forward to as well. And just on the then results. So the guides, I guess, first on volume.
Speaker #9: So I think you said low to mid single digits in DSC, and low single digits in metal, driven by pet food. Just curious on the pet food item because you do face a pretty tough comp there.
Speaker #9: And you've seen some volatility, so maybe you can just kind of parse out what drives that. And I guess, where are you in kind of penetration in Wet Pet?
Arun Viswanathan: And then on DSC, you know, I think you had a relatively kind of choppy year last year, just given some of those consumer trends. Would you say that, you know, you've kind of settled down? And were there any execution issues that you had last year that you've maybe addressed, or was it just mainly market impacts? Thanks.
Arun Viswanathan: And then on DSC, you know, I think you had a relatively kind of choppy year last year, just given some of those consumer trends. Would you say that, you know, you've kind of settled down? And were there any execution issues that you had last year that you've maybe addressed, or was it just mainly market impacts? Thanks.
Speaker #9: And then on DSC , you know , I think you had a , you know , relatively kind of choppy year last year just given some of those consumer trends , would you say that , you know , you've kind of settled down and were there any execution issues that you had you've maybe last year that addressed , or was it just mainly market impacts ?
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Maybe to address the DSC item, I think really the big items that we talked about during the year were much more market related, right? So you had the food and beverage item and sports drinks in Q2 that we talked about earlier on the call. You had some little destocking in Q4 for personal care and home care products. Those are definitely market-related activities that were the two items, I think, in DSC, that went a long way to challenge kind of the performance and fragrance and beauty that was fantastic through the course of the year. So moving over to metal containers.
Adam Greenlee: Sure. Maybe to address the DSC item, I think really the big items that we talked about during the year were much more market related, right? So you had the food and beverage item and sports drinks in Q2 that we talked about earlier on the call. You had some little destocking in Q4 for personal care and home care products. Those are definitely market-related activities that were the two items, I think, in DSC, that went a long way to challenge kind of the performance and fragrance and beauty that was fantastic through the course of the year. So moving over to metal containers.
Speaker #9: Thanks .
Speaker #1: Sure . Maybe to address the DSC item , I think the really that we talked about big items during the year much more market related .
Speaker #1: were were Right ? So you had the food and item beverage and sports drinks in Q2 that we talked about earlier on the call , little yet a destocking in Q4 for personal care and home products .
Speaker #1: are care Those definitely market related activities that were the the two items , I think , in DSC that went a long way to challenge kind of the performance and fragrance and beauty that was course of the year .
Adam Greenlee: Again, you know, I think if you think about wet pet food, this has been an annual grower for us for decades, and we've been a requirement supplier to our largest customer since we bought assets associated with their business. You know, they've continued to invest in capacity. Arun, you know, I know we've talked about this before, but the primary animals that we're talking about here are cats, and it's primarily cats and a little bit of small dog as well. So those populations have grown over time. They continue to grow going forward. I think wet pet food in these categories is considered to be a premium product.
Adam Greenlee: Again, you know, I think if you think about wet pet food, this has been an annual grower for us for decades, and we've been a requirement supplier to our largest customer since we bought assets associated with their business. You know, they've continued to invest in capacity. Arun, you know, I know we've talked about this before, but the primary animals that we're talking about here are cats, and it's primarily cats and a little bit of small dog as well. So those populations have grown over time. They continue to grow going forward. I think wet pet food in these categories is considered to be a premium product.
Speaker #1: fantastic for the So moving metal over to containers again , I think you know , if you think about wet pet food , this has been a annual an grower for us for decades , and we've been a requirements supplier to our , our largest customer since bought we assets associated with their business .
Speaker #1: And you know , they've continued to invest in capacity . Arun , you know , I know we've talked about this before , but the the primary animals that we're talking about here are cats .
Speaker #1: And it's primarily cats, and a little bit of small dog as well. So those populations have grown over time. They continue to grow going forward.
Adam Greenlee: So, you know, we haven't talked a lot about the K-shaped economy on this call, but as you get back to some of those larger macro trends, the high-end consumer is still seemingly doing pretty darn well, and we see that in our wet pet food segment. And then the last piece of it, and we've seen this for decades again, once pet owners feed their animals wet pet food, it is very rare that they move out of the category in a cat or a small dog. Large dog moves in and out, and we've always talked about that. It's a very small part of our portfolio, but for cats, you know, we've seen the stickiness of that product with pet owners and with the consuming animals for a very, very long time.
Adam Greenlee: So, you know, we haven't talked a lot about the K-shaped economy on this call, but as you get back to some of those larger macro trends, the high-end consumer is still seemingly doing pretty darn well, and we see that in our wet pet food segment. And then the last piece of it, and we've seen this for decades again, once pet owners feed their animals wet pet food, it is very rare that they move out of the category in a cat or a small dog. Large dog moves in and out, and we've always talked about that. It's a very small part of our portfolio, but for cats, you know, we've seen the stickiness of that product with pet owners and with the consuming animals for a very, very long time.
Speaker #1: I think wet pet food in these categories is considered to be a premium product . So , you know , we haven't talked a lot about the k-shaped economy on this call , but is is you get back to some of those larger macro trends , the high end consumers still seemingly doing pretty darn well .
Speaker #1: And we see that in our wet pet food segment. And then the last piece of it, and we've seen this for decades.
Speaker #1: Again , once pet owners feed their animals wet pet food , it is very rare that they move out of the category in a in a cat or a small dog .
Speaker #1: Large dog moves in and out , and we've always talked about that . The very small part of our portfolio . But for cats , you know , we've seen the of that stickiness product with pet owners and consuming for a animals very , very long time .
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks for that. And just as a quick follow-up, just on the cash flow, so the $450 guide, was there any inventory impact, or. And is there, you know, potential for upside if, you know, that's not as bad? Or, or how would you kind of characterize that $450? Is it, is there any, you know, kind of variability in that? Thanks.
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks for that. And just as a quick follow-up, just on the cash flow, so the $450 guide, was there any inventory impact, or. And is there, you know, potential for upside if, you know, that's not as bad? Or, or how would you kind of characterize that $450? Is it, is there any, you know, kind of variability in that? Thanks.
Speaker #10: Thanks for that . And just as follow up , a quick just on the So the cash flow . , was 450 guide there inventory any impact or there , you know is and , potential for you if upside know that's not as bad or how would you that characterize ?
Shawn Fabry: Yeah. No, this is Shawn. We normally have working capital improvement initiatives every year in our free cash flow, and 2026 is no different in that regard. I'd call it a modest amount of working capital improvement, but generally speaking, we're expecting our operating earnings to go up, call it $20 to 25 million, and that's offset mostly by higher cash interest and taxes in the year. And that gets us to the $450 for 2026, bridging that versus our 2025 number.
Shawn Fabry: Yeah. No, this is Shawn. We normally have working capital improvement initiatives every year in our free cash flow, and 2026 is no different in that regard. I'd call it a modest amount of working capital improvement, but generally speaking, we're expecting our operating earnings to go up, call it $20 to 25 million, and that's offset mostly by higher cash interest and taxes in the year. And that gets us to the $450 for 2026, bridging that versus our 2025 number.
Speaker #10: 450 is it is there any kind of that ? Thanks .
Speaker #8: Yeah . This is Sean . We normally have working capital improvement initiatives every year in our free cash flow . And 2026 is no different in that regard .
Speaker #8: I'd call it a modest amount of working capital improvement. But generally speaking, we're expecting our operating earnings to go up.
Speaker #8: Call it 2025 million . And that's offset mostly by cash , cash higher interest and taxes in the year . And that gets us to the 450 for 26 .
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks a lot.
Arun Viswanathan: Thanks a lot.
Operator: We'll return back to the line of George Staphos with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Operator: We'll return back to the line of George Staphos with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: Bridging that versus our 25 number .
Speaker #10: Thanks a .
Speaker #11: Lot .
George Staphos: Hi, guys. I'll try to make it quick. So you've talked a lot about on this call here and there, kind of the impact of healthier living and the like. As you've analyzed across your categories, is it a net positive, neutral, negative, all that commentary relative to the end market growth and demand you'd see across, you know, food can, DSC and custom containers, as you've analyzed it? Second question related, you know, we've seen over the last year or so, new products, zero-calorie products on the beverage side. Anything that we should be aware of that could perhaps help growth in the dispensing segment for this year or in the next couple of years that you know? Last question from me, just on availability and supply chain and metal, steel, and aluminum. I assume you're doing fine.
George Staphos: Hi, guys. I'll try to make it quick. So you've talked a lot about on this call here and there, kind of the impact of healthier living and the like. As you've analyzed across your categories, is it a net positive, neutral, negative, all that commentary relative to the end market growth and demand you'd see across, you know, food can, DSC and custom containers, as you've analyzed it? Second question related, you know, we've seen over the last year or so, new products, zero-calorie products on the beverage side. Anything that we should be aware of that could perhaps help growth in the dispensing segment for this year or in the next couple of years that you know? Last question from me, just on availability and supply chain and metal, steel, and aluminum. I assume you're doing fine.
Speaker #3: And we'll return back to the line of George Staphos with Bank of America. Please.
Speaker #12: Hi go guys . I'll try quick . So you've talked a lot about on this call here and there . Kind of the impact of healthier living and the like , as you've analyzed across your categories , is it a net positive , neutral or negative ?
Speaker #12: that All commentary relative to the end market growth and demand you'd see across , you know , food can and DSC and custom containers as you've analyzed it .
Speaker #12: Second question , related know , we've . You seen over the last year or so new products , zero calorie side , anything that we should be aware of that could perhaps help growth in the dispensing segment for this year or in the next couple of years that , you know , last question from me .
George Staphos: Just wanted to check the box on that. Has there been any commentary at all from your suppliers about maybe bringing back some tinplate capacity to the US? So thanks for that, guys. Again, congratulations to everybody, to Shawn, Alex, and bon voyage, Bob. Talk to you guys soon.
George Staphos: Just wanted to check the box on that. Has there been any commentary at all from your suppliers about maybe bringing back some tinplate capacity to the US? So thanks for that, guys. Again, congratulations to everybody, to Shawn, Alex, and bon voyage, Bob. Talk to you guys soon.
Speaker #12: Just on availability and supply chain metal , steel and and aluminum , I assume you're doing fine . Just wanted to check the box on that .
Speaker #12: And has there been any commentary at all from your suppliers about maybe bringing back some tinplate capacity to the US ? So thanks for that , guys .
Adam Greenlee: Great. Thanks. Thanks, George. As far as, you know, the healthier conversation that we were having and its impact to our volume growth, I mean, I think it's relatively neutral to our volume. I mean, I think we're, you know, we're well-positioned already for a variety of outcomes across the portfolio that we have. It's a bit of the intentional nature of how we've built out the portfolio that we can do well in different economic circumstances. We can do well with different consumer preference patterns evolving and feel pretty good that, you know, we've got that captured and we'll support our customers in whatever way we need to. You're right, I think 2026 on the food and beverage side is going to be a year of innovation.
Adam Greenlee: Great. Thanks. Thanks, George. As far as, you know, the healthier conversation that we were having and its impact to our volume growth, I mean, I think it's relatively neutral to our volume. I mean, I think we're, you know, we're well-positioned already for a variety of outcomes across the portfolio that we have. It's a bit of the intentional nature of how we've built out the portfolio that we can do well in different economic circumstances. We can do well with different consumer preference patterns evolving and feel pretty good that, you know, we've got that captured and we'll support our customers in whatever way we need to. You're right, I think 2026 on the food and beverage side is going to be a year of innovation.
Speaker #12: Again, congratulations to everybody. That's Alex, and bon voyage to you guys soon, Bob. Talk, okay.
Speaker #1: Thanks . Thanks , Great . George . As far as you know , the healthier conversation that we were having and impact to our its volume growth , I mean , it's I think it's relatively neutral to our volume growth .
Speaker #1: I mean, I think we're, you know, we're well positioned already for a variety of outcomes across the portfolio that we have.
Speaker #1: It's a bit of the intentional nature of how we've built out the portfolio, that we can do well in different economic circumstances. We can do well with different consumer preference patterns.
Speaker #1: Evolving, and feel pretty good that, you know, we've got that captured, and we'll support our customers in whatever way we need to.
Adam Greenlee: You know, one of our largest customers has clearly stated that. And, you know, whether it's zero calorie or better-for-you products, you know, we're watching very carefully to see what is new volume brought into the category versus cannibalizing some of the existing products. So, you know, again, I'd say roughly we're neutral in that scenario because the cannibalization is just, it's a similar volume, comparable volume to what we already had. And I think they're looking at it from a value perspective as well, with potentially healthier-for-you products requiring a premium in the marketplace. And then as we think about, you know, aluminum and steel supply, you know, our two largest expenditures that we have and critically important to our customer success as well.
Adam Greenlee: You know, one of our largest customers has clearly stated that. And, you know, whether it's zero calorie or better-for-you products, you know, we're watching very carefully to see what is new volume brought into the category versus cannibalizing some of the existing products. So, you know, again, I'd say roughly we're neutral in that scenario because the cannibalization is just, it's a similar volume, comparable volume to what we already had. And I think they're looking at it from a value perspective as well, with potentially healthier-for-you products requiring a premium in the marketplace. And then as we think about, you know, aluminum and steel supply, you know, our two largest expenditures that we have and critically important to our customer success as well.
Speaker #1: You're right , I think 26 on the food and beverage on the beverage side is going to be a year of innovation . You know , one of our largest customers has has clearly stated that .
Speaker #1: And , you know , whether it's zero calorie or better for you products , you know , we're we're watching very carefully to see what is is new into the volume brought category versus cannibalizing some of the existing products .
Speaker #1: So , you know , again , I'd say roughly we're neutral in that scenario because the cannibalization is it's a similar just volume , comparable volume to what we already had .
Speaker #1: And I think they're looking at it from a value perspective as well , with potentially healthier for you products requiring a premium in the marketplace .
Speaker #1: And then as we think about , you know , aluminum and steel supply , you know , our two largest expenditures that we have and critically important to our customer success as well .
Adam Greenlee: You know, we've talked a lot about tinplate, in particular in the US market, and the US market being a net importer now with significant tariffs. So, it's a challenging environment. You know, we're one of the largest buyers for both steel and aluminum can sheet anywhere in the world. So, you're right, you can check the box for us. We get the products that we need. Our contracts allow us to pass through those costs, whatever they may be to our customers. We take that very seriously, and we fight like crazy to get the lowest cost for ourselves and for our customers, George. But, you know, I think the market dynamics are continuing to evolve. I'd love to tell you there might be more tinplate capacity coming on in the US.
Adam Greenlee: You know, we've talked a lot about tinplate, in particular in the US market, and the US market being a net importer now with significant tariffs. So, it's a challenging environment. You know, we're one of the largest buyers for both steel and aluminum can sheet anywhere in the world. So, you're right, you can check the box for us. We get the products that we need. Our contracts allow us to pass through those costs, whatever they may be to our customers. We take that very seriously, and we fight like crazy to get the lowest cost for ourselves and for our customers, George. But, you know, I think the market dynamics are continuing to evolve. I'd love to tell you there might be more tinplate capacity coming on in the US.
Speaker #1: You know , we've talked a lot about template in particular in the US market and the US market net being a importer . significant tariffs .
Speaker #1: So it's a challenging environment . know we're for buyers one of the largest steel and aluminum can sheet anywhere in the world . So you're right .
Speaker #1: You can check the box for us . We get the products that we need our contracts allow us to pass through those costs whatever they may be , to our customers .
Speaker #1: We take that very seriously and we fight like crazy to get the lowest cost for ourselves and for our customers . George . , you But I think the market dynamics are continuing to evolve .
Adam Greenlee: It has to be high quality, wide tinplate capacity, for it to really work well in the manufacturing systems, and not just Silgan, but can manufacturers have assembled now over time. So, there will be some hurdles to that. So I think our perspective is it's gonna be more of the same as we go forward. We'll continue to get the products that we need, and regardless of where that supply comes in from. We'd love to buy product, raw materials in the market where we're making products and selling products. Unfortunately, the way the tinplate market in the US has evolved over time, we're no longer able to do that.
Adam Greenlee: It has to be high quality, wide tinplate capacity, for it to really work well in the manufacturing systems, and not just Silgan, but can manufacturers have assembled now over time. So, there will be some hurdles to that. So I think our perspective is it's gonna be more of the same as we go forward. We'll continue to get the products that we need, and regardless of where that supply comes in from. We'd love to buy product, raw materials in the market where we're making products and selling products. Unfortunately, the way the tinplate market in the US has evolved over time, we're no longer able to do that.
Speaker #1: I'd love to tell you there might be more tinplate coming on in capacity in the US. It has to be high quality, wide tinplate capacity.
Speaker #1: For it to work really well in the manufacturing systems and not just Silgan , but can manufacturers have have assembled now over time ?
Speaker #1: So, there will be some hurdles to that. So I think our perspective is it's going to be more of the same as we go forward.
Speaker #1: We'll continue to get the products that we need where that regardless of . And supply comes from , in we'd love to to buy product raw materials in the market where we're making products and selling products .
Matt Roberts: Okay. Thank you, Adam.
Matthew D. Roberts: Okay. Thank you, Adam.
Speaker #1: Unfortunately, the way the template market in the US has evolved over time, we're no longer able to do that.
Adam Greenlee: Sure.
Adam Greenlee: Sure.
Operator: We have no further questions. I'll turn the floor back over to Adam Greenlee, President and CEO, for any additional or closing remarks.
Operator: We have no further questions. I'll turn the floor back over to Adam Greenlee, President and CEO, for any additional or closing remarks.
Speaker #12: Okay. Thank you, Adam.
Speaker #13: Sure .
Speaker #3: We have no further questions. I'll turn the floor back over to Adam Greenlee, President and CEO, for any additional closing remarks.
Adam Greenlee: Great. Thanks very much, Melinda. We appreciate everyone's interest in the company, and we look forward to discussing our first quarter results near the end of April. Thank you.
Adam Greenlee: Great. Thanks very much, Melinda. We appreciate everyone's interest in the company, and we look forward to discussing our first quarter results near the end of April. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Great . Thanks Melinda . very much , We appreciate everyone's interest in the company and we look forward to discussing our first quarter results near the end of April .
Operator: This concludes today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.
Operator: This concludes today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.
