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Q4 2025 TTM Technologies Inc Earnings Call
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Sean Hannan: Greetings, everyone. Welcome, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Sean Hannan, Vice President of Investor Relations for TTM. With me on the call are Edwin Roks, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Dan Bailey, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everybody that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements related to TTM's future business outlook. Actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to one or more risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors we provide in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which we encourage you to review. These forward-looking statements represent management's expectations and assumptions based on currently available information. TTM does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or other circumstances, except as required by law. We will also discuss on this call certain Non-GAAP financial measures, such as Adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #3: everyone. Welcome, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Sean Hannon, Vice President of Investor Relations for TTM. With me on the call are Edwin Roks, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Dan Bailey, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.
Operator: With me on the call are Edwin Roks, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Dan Bailey, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everybody that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements related to TTM's future business outlook. Actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to one or more risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors we provide in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which we encourage you to review. These forward-looking statements represent management's expectations and assumptions based on currently available information. TTM does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or other circumstances, except as required by law. We will also discuss on this call certain Non-GAAP financial measures, such as Adjusted EBITDA.
Speaker #3: Before we get started, I'd like to remind everybody that today's call contains forward-looking statements, including statements related to TTM's future business outlook. Actual results could differ materially from these forward-looking statements due to one or more risks and uncertainties, including the risk factors we provide in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which we encourage you to review.
Speaker #3: These forward-looking statements represent management's expectations and assumptions based on currently available information. TTM does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or other circumstances, except as required by law.
Speaker #3: We will also discuss on this call certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA. Such measures should not be considered as a substitute for the measures prepared and presented in accordance with GAAP, and we direct you to the reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures included in your company's earnings release.
Operator: Such measures should not be considered as a substitute for the measures prepared and presented in accordance with GAAP, and we direct you to the reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures included in your company's earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of TTM's website at investors.ttm.com. We have also posted on the website an earnings presentation that we will refer to during our call. Here is Edwin. Thank you, Sean. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 conference call. At TTM Technologies, we are focused on designing and manufacturing complex products and solutions in two strategic directions. The first is Advanced Interconnect, which includes highly complex printed circuit boards, substrates, and advanced packaging. The second strategic direction builds on our Advanced Interconnect technology to design and manufacture sophisticated modules, subsystems, and systems.
Sean Hannan: Such measures should not be considered as a substitute for the measures prepared and presented in accordance with GAAP, and we direct you to the reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP measures included in your company's earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of TTM's website at investors.ttm.com. We have also posted on the website an earnings presentation that we will refer to during our call. Here is Edwin.
Speaker #3: Which is available on the Investor Relations section of TTM's website at investors.ttm.com. We have also posted on the website an earnings presentation that we will refer to during our call.
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Speaker #3: Edwin. Thank you, Sean.
Edwin Roks: Thank you, Sean. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 conference call. At TTM Technologies, we are focused on designing and manufacturing complex products and solutions in two strategic directions. The first is Advanced Interconnect, which includes highly complex printed circuit boards, substrates, and advanced packaging. The second strategic direction builds on our Advanced Interconnect technology to design and manufacture sophisticated modules, subsystems, and systems.
Speaker #4: Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 conference call. At TTM Technologies, we are focused on designing and manufacturing complex products and solutions in two strategic directions.
Speaker #4: The first is advanced interconnect, which includes highly complex printed circuit boards, substrates, and advanced packaging. The second strategic direction builds on our advanced interconnect technology to design and manufacture sophisticated modules, subsystems, and systems.
Speaker #4: Examples of this include our in-house developed RF modules, thermal and power management systems, etch and AI processing products, as well as complex subsystems and fully integrated mission We believe the future of systems.
Operator: Examples of this include our in-house developed RF modules, thermal and power management systems, edge and AI processing products, as well as complex subsystems and fully integrated mission systems. We believe the future of electronics lies in speed to markets, high reliability, and efficient technology integration. The market in which we do business continue to demand highly complex technology solutions in an increasingly compact size and footprint. Our strategy is to stay at the cutting edge of Advanced Interconnect technologies through innovation and continue to move up the value chain into complex modules and subsystems that combine sensors, actuators, RF, and photonics. We engage early with our customers to ensure alignment with product development, which helps optimize their sourcing of leading technologies and streamlines their supply chain.
Edwin Roks: Examples of this include our in-house developed RF modules, thermal and power management systems, edge and AI processing products, as well as complex subsystems and fully integrated mission systems. We believe the future of electronics lies in speed to markets, high reliability, and efficient technology integration. The market in which we do business continue to demand highly complex technology solutions in an increasingly compact size and footprint. Our strategy is to stay at the cutting edge of Advanced Interconnect technologies through innovation and continue to move up the value chain into complex modules and subsystems that combine sensors, actuators, RF, and photonics. We engage early with our customers to ensure alignment with product development, which helps optimize their sourcing of leading technologies and streamlines their supply chain.
Speaker #4: electronics lies in speed to market, high reliability, and efficient technology integration. The market in which we do business continues to demand highly complex technology solutions in an increasingly compact size and footprint.
Speaker #4: Our strategy is to stay at the cutting edge of advanced interconnect technologies through innovation and continue to move up the value chain into complex modules and subsystems that combine sensors, actuators, RF, and photonics.
Speaker #4: We engage early with our customers to ensure alignment and product development, which helps optimize their sourcing of leading technologies and streamlines their supply chain.
Speaker #4: From a demand standpoint, we expect healthy tailwinds due to our participation in two key mega trends currently driving economic growth. Artificial intelligence and defense.
Operator: From a demand standpoint, we expect healthy tailwinds due to our participation in two key megatrends currently driving economic growth: artificial intelligence and defense. As stated previously, approximately 80% of our net sales are related to these two megatrends. Our ability to seize these organic growth opportunities requires our continued focus on technological innovation, as well as expanding our capacity across our strategic footprint. We are further investing capital and resources to take full advantage of these opportunities today and in the future through our global footprint, which offers our customers manufacturing options across 24 sites located in China, Malaysia, Canada, and the United States.
Edwin Roks: From a demand standpoint, we expect healthy tailwinds due to our participation in two key megatrends currently driving economic growth: artificial intelligence and defense. As stated previously, approximately 80% of our net sales are related to these two megatrends. Our ability to seize these organic growth opportunities requires our continued focus on technological innovation, as well as expanding our capacity across our strategic footprint. We are further investing capital and resources to take full advantage of these opportunities today and in the future through our global footprint, which offers our customers manufacturing options across 24 sites located in China, Malaysia, Canada, and the United States.
Speaker #4: As stated previously, approximately 80% of our net sales are related to these two mega trends. Our ability to seize these organic growth opportunities requires our continued focus on technological innovation as well as expanding our capacity across our strategic footprint.
Speaker #4: We are further investing capital and resources to take full advantage of these opportunities today and in the future through our global footprint, which offers our customers manufacturing options across 24 sites located in China, Malaysia, Canada, and the United States.
Speaker #4: We stand well positioned to support this growth across our end markets and are on track towards our ambition to grow revenues 15 to 20% per year for the next three years.
Operator: We stand well positioned to support this growth across our end markets and are on track towards our ambition to grow revenues 15% to 20% per year for the next 3 years and to double our earnings from 25 to 27, which were goals previously shared on 13 January. In our commercial segment, we are highly focused on supporting the demand wave of artificial intelligence in the data center computing and networking end markets. In our aerospace and defense end market, we continue to excel with our leading position in Advanced Interconnect products as we work to expand our product offerings in integrated electronics, including modules, subsystems, and into mission systems. We are also focused on technological opportunities arising through increased use of automation and AI applications in our medical, industrial, and instrumentation end markets while we remain strategically positioned in high-value automotive solutions.
Edwin Roks: We stand well positioned to support this growth across our end markets and are on track towards our ambition to grow revenues 15% to 20% per year for the next 3 years and to double our earnings from 25 to 27, which were goals previously shared on 13 January. In our commercial segment, we are highly focused on supporting the demand wave of artificial intelligence in the data center computing and networking end markets. In our aerospace and defense end market, we continue to excel with our leading position in Advanced Interconnect products as we work to expand our product offerings in integrated electronics, including modules, subsystems, and into mission systems. We are also focused on technological opportunities arising through increased use of automation and AI applications in our medical, industrial, and instrumentation end markets while we remain strategically positioned in high-value automotive solutions.
Speaker #4: And to double our earnings from 25 to 27, which were goals previously shared on January 13th. In our commercial segment, we are highly focused on supporting the demand wave of artificial intelligence in the data center computing and networking end markets.
Speaker #4: In our aerospace and defense end market, we continue to excel with our leading position in advanced interconnect products as we work to expand our product offerings in integrated electronics, including modules, subsystems, and into mission systems.
Speaker #4: We are also focused on technological opportunities arising through increased use of automation and AI applications in our medical, industrial, and instrumentation end markets, while we remain strategically positioned in high-value automotive solutions.
Speaker #4: I now begin with an overview of our business highlights from the quarter. Then we'll follow with a summary of our Q4 and fiscal 2025 financial performance and our Q1 and fiscal 2026 sales guidance.
Operator: I now begin with an overview of our business highlights from the quarter. Then we'll follow with a summary of our Q4 and fiscal 2025 financial performance and our Q1 and fiscal 2026 sales guidance. We will then open the call for your questions. We delivered an excellent fourth quarter of 2025, and I would like to thank our employees for delivering these results. We achieved sales of $774.3 million, above the high end of our guided range, and non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share met the high end of our guided range. Sales grew 19% year-over-year, reflecting continued demand strength in our data center computing and networking end markets, driven by the requirements of generative AI, while our medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets also experienced solid to strong growth.
Edwin Roks: I now begin with an overview of our business highlights from the quarter. Then we'll follow with a summary of our Q4 and fiscal 2025 financial performance and our Q1 and fiscal 2026 sales guidance. We will then open the call for your questions. We delivered an excellent fourth quarter of 2025, and I would like to thank our employees for delivering these results. We achieved sales of $774.3 million, above the high end of our guided range, and non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share met the high end of our guided range. Sales grew 19% year-over-year, reflecting continued demand strength in our data center computing and networking end markets, driven by the requirements of generative AI, while our medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets also experienced solid to strong growth.
Speaker #4: We will then open the call for your questions. We delivered an excellent fourth quarter of 2025, and I would like to thank our employees for delivering these results.
Speaker #4: We achieved sales of $774.3 million, above the high end of our guided range, and on GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share, met the high end of our guided range.
Speaker #4: Sales grew 19% year on year, reflecting continued demand strength in our data center computing and networking end markets, driven by the requirements of generative AI while our medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets also experienced solid to strong growth.
Speaker #4: The company's adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.3% in the fourth quarter of 2025, a strong result compared to the 14.7% in the prior year, reflecting continued improvement in execution.
Operator: The company's Adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.3% in the fourth quarter of 2025, a strong result compared to the 14.7% in the prior year, reflecting continued improvements in execution. Non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share was an all-time quarterly record high for TTM. Cash flow from operations were $63 million, or 8.1% of sales, which brings fiscal 2025 cash flow from operations to $292 million, or 10% of sales. The aerospace and defense end market represented 41% of fourth quarter 2025 sales. Sales in the aerospace and defense market grew 5% year-over-year for the fourth quarter and 13% year-over-year for the full year of 2025. The sales growth in the defense market as a result of positive tailwinds in defense budgets, our strong strategic program alignment, and the key bookings for ongoing programs.
Edwin Roks: The company's Adjusted EBITDA margin was 16.3% in the fourth quarter of 2025, a strong result compared to the 14.7% in the prior year, reflecting continued improvements in execution. Non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share was an all-time quarterly record high for TTM. Cash flow from operations were $63 million, or 8.1% of sales, which brings fiscal 2025 cash flow from operations to $292 million, or 10% of sales. The aerospace and defense end market represented 41% of fourth quarter 2025 sales. Sales in the aerospace and defense market grew 5% year-over-year for the fourth quarter and 13% year-over-year for the full year of 2025. The sales growth in the defense market as a result of positive tailwinds in defense budgets, our strong strategic program alignment, and the key bookings for ongoing programs.
Speaker #4: Non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share was an all-time quarterly record high for TTM. And cash flow from operations was $63 million, or 8.1% of sales, which brings fiscal 2025 cash flow from operations to $292 million, or 10% of sales.
Speaker #4: The aerospace and defense end market represented 41% of four quarter 2025 sales. Sales in the aerospace and defense market grew 5% year on year for the fourth quarter and 13% year on year for the full year of 2025.
Speaker #4: The sales growth in the defense market as a result of positive tailwinds in defense budgets are strong strategic program alignment and key bookings for ongoing programs.
Speaker #4: During the fourth quarter of 2025, we saw significant A&D bookings related to the APS 153 airborne surveillance radar, LTAMS air defense radar, MRAM air dominance missile, and Javelin anti-armor missile system.
Operator: During the fourth quarter of 2025, we saw significant A&D bookings related to the AN/APS-153 airborne surveillance radar, LTAMDS air defense radar, AMRAAM air dominance missile, and Javelin anti-armor missile system. In addition, we continue to see an increase in bookings for restricted programs. A&D book-to-bill was 1.46 for the quarter and 1.04 for the full year of 2025, which increased program backlog to $1.6 billion compared to $1.56 billion a year ago. We expect sales in Q1 2026 from this end market to represent 42% of our total sales. Sales in the data center computing end market represented 20% of fourth quarter 2025 sales. This end market experienced 57% year-on-year growth in the fourth quarter and 36% year-on-year growth in the full year of 2025, which reflects continued demand strength from our data center customers building products for AI applications.
Edwin Roks: During the fourth quarter of 2025, we saw significant A&D bookings related to the AN/APS-153 airborne surveillance radar, LTAMDS air defense radar, AMRAAM air dominance missile, and Javelin anti-armor missile system. In addition, we continue to see an increase in bookings for restricted programs. A&D book-to-bill was 1.46 for the quarter and 1.04 for the full year of 2025, which increased program backlog to $1.6 billion compared to $1.56 billion a year ago. We expect sales in Q1 2026 from this end market to represent 42% of our total sales. Sales in the data center computing end market represented 20% of fourth quarter 2025 sales. This end market experienced 57% year-on-year growth in the fourth quarter and 36% year-on-year growth in the full year of 2025, which reflects continued demand strength from our data center customers building products for AI applications.
Speaker #4: In addition, we continue to see an increase in bookings for restricted programs. A&D book-to-bill was 1.46 for the quarter and 1.04 for the full year of 2025.
Speaker #4: Which increased program backlog to 1.6 billion compared to 1.56 billion a year ago. We expect sales in Q1 2026 from this end market to represent 42% of our total sales.
Speaker #4: Sales in the data center computing end market represented 20% of fourth quarter 2025 sales, this end market experienced 57% year on year growth in the fourth quarter and 36% year on year growth in the full year of 2025, which reflects continued demand strength from our data center customers building products for AI applications.
Speaker #4: The networking end market represented 8% of fourth quarter 2025 sales, year on year growth was 23% for the fourth quarter and 43% for the full year of 2025, as this market continues to become more correlated with the AI-related demand for more complex switching technology.
Operator: The networking end market represented 8% of Q4 2025 sales. Year-on-year growth was 23% for the Q4 and 43% for the full year of 2025, as this market continues to become more correlated with the AI-related demand for more complex switching technology. Due to the AI-related correlation between data center computing and networking end markets, we will begin reporting them as a single combined end market in 2026, and consequently, we will be reporting on four end markets going forward. For the Q4 of 2025, the combined sales for data center and networking would have represented 36% of total sales, and we expect the Q1 2026 to represent 37% of total sales. The medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market represented 14% of Q4 2025 sales.
Edwin Roks: The networking end market represented 8% of Q4 2025 sales. Year-on-year growth was 23% for the Q4 and 43% for the full year of 2025, as this market continues to become more correlated with the AI-related demand for more complex switching technology. Due to the AI-related correlation between data center computing and networking end markets, we will begin reporting them as a single combined end market in 2026, and consequently, we will be reporting on four end markets going forward. For the Q4 of 2025, the combined sales for data center and networking would have represented 36% of total sales, and we expect the Q1 2026 to represent 37% of total sales. The medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market represented 14% of Q4 2025 sales.
Speaker #4: Due to the AI-related correlation between data center computing and networking end markets, we will begin reporting them as a single combined end market in 2026 and consequently we will be reporting on four end markets going forward.
Speaker #4: For the fourth quarter of 2025, the combined sales for data center and networking would have represented 36% of total sales, and we expect the first quarter 2026 to represent 37% of total sales.
Speaker #4: The medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market represented 14% of fourth quarter 2025 sales. This end market saw year-on-year growth of 28% during the fourth quarter and 22% for the full year of 2025 as medical and industrial areas saw increased demand for AI-enabled robotics and more complex sensing applications, and the automated testing instrumentation areas saw increased demand for equipment and AI applications.
Operator: This end market saw a year-on-year growth of 28% during Q4 and 22% for the full year of 2025, as medical and industrial areas saw increased demand for AI-enabled robotics and more complex sensing applications, and the instrumentation areas saw increased demand for automated testing equipment and AI applications. For Q1 of 2026, we expect the medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market to represent 14% of total sales. Automotive sales represented 9% for Q4 2025 sales. We will be increasingly selective in this market to focus on higher-value-add products that carry margin profile consistent with our financial growth. We expect the automotive end market to represent about 8% of total sales in Q1 of 2026.
Edwin Roks: This end market saw a year-on-year growth of 28% during Q4 and 22% for the full year of 2025, as medical and industrial areas saw increased demand for AI-enabled robotics and more complex sensing applications, and the instrumentation areas saw increased demand for automated testing equipment and AI applications. For Q1 of 2026, we expect the medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market to represent 14% of total sales. Automotive sales represented 9% for Q4 2025 sales. We will be increasingly selective in this market to focus on higher-value-add products that carry margin profile consistent with our financial growth. We expect the automotive end market to represent about 8% of total sales in Q1 of 2026.
Speaker #4: For the first quarter of 2026, we expect the medical, industrial, and instrumentation end market to represent 14% of total sales. Automotive sales represented 9% for the fourth quarter 2025 sales.
Speaker #4: We will be increasingly selective in this market to focus on higher value-add products that carry a margin profile consistent with our financial growth. We expect the automotive end market to represent about 8% of total sales in the first quarter of 2026.
Speaker #4: The overall book-to-bill ratio was 1.35 for the fourth quarter of 2025, with the commercial reporting segment at 1.28, the A&D reporting segment at 1.46, and the RF&S reporting segment at 0.94.
Operator: The overall book-to-bill ratio was 1.35 for Q4 2025, with the commercial reporting segment at 1.28, the A&D reporting segment at 1.46, and the RF&S reporting segment at 0.94. At the end of 2025, the 90-day backlog, which is subject to cancellations, was $654.9 million compared to $502.1 million at the end of last year. Now, Dan Bailey will summarize our financial performance for Q4 and full year. Dan? Thanks, Edwin, and good afternoon, everyone. I will review our financial results for Q4 and full year of 2025 that were included in the press release distributed today. Key financial highlights are also summarized in the earnings presentation posted on our website. For Q4, net sales were $774.3 million compared to $651 million in Q4 2024.
Edwin Roks: The overall book-to-bill ratio was 1.35 for Q4 2025, with the commercial reporting segment at 1.28, the A&D reporting segment at 1.46, and the RF&S reporting segment at 0.94. At the end of 2025, the 90-day backlog, which is subject to cancellations, was $654.9 million compared to $502.1 million at the end of last year. Now, Dan Bailey will summarize our financial performance for Q4 and full year. Dan?
Speaker #4: At the end of 2025, the 90-day backlog, which is subject to cancellations, was $654.9 million compared to $502.1 million at the end of last year.
Speaker #4: Now Dan Bailey will summarize our financial performance for the fourth quarter and full year. Dan.
Speaker #2: Thanks, Edwin, and good afternoon, everyone. I will review our financial results for the fourth quarter and full year 2025 that were included in the press release distributed today.
Dan Bailey: Thanks, Edwin, and good afternoon, everyone. I will review our financial results for Q4 and full year of 2025 that were included in the press release distributed today. Key financial highlights are also summarized in the earnings presentation posted on our website. For Q4, net sales were $774.3 million compared to $651 million in Q4 2024.
Speaker #2: Key financial highlights are also summarized in the earnings presentation posted on our website. For the fourth quarter, net sales were 774.3 million dollars, compared to 651 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2024.
Speaker #2: The 19% year-over-year increase was due to continued strong growth in our data center computing, networking, medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets.
Operator: The 19% year-over-year increase was due to continued strong growth in our data center computing, networking, medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets, partially offset by a decline in our automotive end market. For the full year, net sales were $2.9 billion compared to $2.4 billion in 2024. The 19% increase for fiscal 2025 was driven by the same end market dynamics that drove growth in Q4. GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $80.7 million compared to GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of $9 million, inclusive of a $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S Components segment. For the full year of 2025, GAAP operating income was $264.7 million compared to $116 million in 2024, inclusive of the $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S Components segment.
Dan Bailey: The 19% year-over-year increase was due to continued strong growth in our data center computing, networking, medical, industrial, and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense end markets, partially offset by a decline in our automotive end market. For the full year, net sales were $2.9 billion compared to $2.4 billion in 2024. The 19% increase for fiscal 2025 was driven by the same end market dynamics that drove growth in Q4. GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $80.7 million compared to GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of $9 million, inclusive of a $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S Components segment. For the full year of 2025, GAAP operating income was $264.7 million compared to $116 million in 2024, inclusive of the $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S Components segment.
Speaker #2: Partially offset by a decline in market. For the full year, net sales were 2.9 billion dollars, compared to 2.4 billion dollars in 2024. The 19% increase for fiscal 2025 was driven by the same end market dynamics that drove growth in Q4.
Speaker #2: GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $80.7 million. This compares to GAAP operating income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of $9 million, inclusive of a $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, gap-operated income was 264.7 million dollars. Compared to 116 million dollars in 2024. Inclusive of the 32.6 million dollar goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment.
Speaker #2: On a gap basis, net income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was 50.7 million dollars, a 48 cents per diluted share. This compares to gap net income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of 5.2 million dollars, or 5 cents per diluted share, inclusive of a 32.6 million dollar goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment.
Operator: On a GAAP basis, net income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $50.7 million or $0.48 per diluted share. This compares to GAAP net income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of $5.2 million or $0.05 per diluted share, inclusive of a $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment. For the full year of 2025, net income was $177.4 million or $1.68 per diluted share. This compares to $56.3 million or $0.54 per diluted share in 2024, inclusive of the $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment. The remainder of my comments will focus on our non-GAAP financial performance.
Dan Bailey: On a GAAP basis, net income for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $50.7 million or $0.48 per diluted share. This compares to GAAP net income for the fourth quarter of 2024 of $5.2 million or $0.05 per diluted share, inclusive of a $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment. For the full year of 2025, net income was $177.4 million or $1.68 per diluted share. This compares to $56.3 million or $0.54 per diluted share in 2024, inclusive of the $32.6 million goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment. The remainder of my comments will focus on our non-GAAP financial performance.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, net income was 177.4 million dollars, or 1 dollar and 68 cents per diluted share. This compares to 56.3 million dollars, or 54 cents per diluted share in 2024, inclusive of the 32.6 million dollar goodwill impairment charge related to the RF&S component segment.
Speaker #2: The remainder of my comments will focus on our non-GAAP financial performance. Our non-GAAP performance excludes M&A-related costs, restructuring costs, certain non-cash expense items such as amortization of intangibles, impairment of goodwill, stock compensation, gains on the sale of property, unrealized gains or losses on foreign exchange, and other unusual or infrequent items.
Operator: Our non-GAAP performance excludes M&A-related costs, restructuring costs, certain non-cash expense items such as amortization of intangibles, impairment of goodwill, stock compensation, gains on the sale of property, unrealized gains or losses on foreign exchange, and other unusual or infrequent items. We present non-GAAP financial information to enable investors to see the company through the eyes of management and to facilitate comparisons with expectations and prior periods. Gross margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 21.7% and compares to 20.5% in the fourth quarter of 2024. For the full year of 2025, gross margin was 21.3% and compares to 20.4% in 2024. The year-over-year improvement in both periods was due primarily to higher sales volume and favorable product mix, particularly in the data center computing, networking, and aerospace and defense end markets, as well as improved operational execution.
Dan Bailey: Our non-GAAP performance excludes M&A-related costs, restructuring costs, certain non-cash expense items such as amortization of intangibles, impairment of goodwill, stock compensation, gains on the sale of property, unrealized gains or losses on foreign exchange, and other unusual or infrequent items. We present non-GAAP financial information to enable investors to see the company through the eyes of management and to facilitate comparisons with expectations and prior periods. Gross margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 21.7% and compares to 20.5% in the fourth quarter of 2024. For the full year of 2025, gross margin was 21.3% and compares to 20.4% in 2024. The year-over-year improvement in both periods was due primarily to higher sales volume and favorable product mix, particularly in the data center computing, networking, and aerospace and defense end markets, as well as improved operational execution.
Speaker #2: We present non-GAAP financial information to enable investors to see the company through the eyes of management and to facilitate comparisons with expectations and prior periods.
Speaker #2: Gross margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 21.7%, compared to 20.5% in the fourth quarter of 2024. For the full year of 2025, gross margin was 21.3%, compared to 20.4% in 2024.
Speaker #2: The year-on-year improvement in both periods was due primarily to higher sales volume and favorable product mix. Particularly in the data center computing, networking, and aerospace and defense end markets.
Speaker #2: As well as improved operational execution. Selling and marketing expense was 19.8 million dollars in the fourth quarter, or 2.6% of net sales. Versus 18.9 million dollars, or 2.9% of net sales a year ago.
Operator: Selling and marketing expense was $19.8 million in the fourth quarter, or 2.6% of net sales, versus $18.9 million or 2.9% of net sales a year ago. For the full year of 2025, selling and marketing expense was $80.8 million or 2.8% of net sales, compared to $76.2 million or 3.1% of net sales in 2024. Fourth quarter general and administrative expenses was $43.1 million or 5.6% of net sales, compared to $40.9 million or 6.3% of net sales in the same quarter a year ago. For the full year of 2025, general and administrative expense was $168.3 million or 5.8% of net sales, compared to $156.6 million or 6.4% of net sales in 2024. Our operating margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 12.7%, a 260 basis points improvement from 10.1% in the same quarter last year.
Dan Bailey: Selling and marketing expense was $19.8 million in the fourth quarter, or 2.6% of net sales, versus $18.9 million or 2.9% of net sales a year ago. For the full year of 2025, selling and marketing expense was $80.8 million or 2.8% of net sales, compared to $76.2 million or 3.1% of net sales in 2024. Fourth quarter general and administrative expenses was $43.1 million or 5.6% of net sales, compared to $40.9 million or 6.3% of net sales in the same quarter a year ago. For the full year of 2025, general and administrative expense was $168.3 million or 5.8% of net sales, compared to $156.6 million or 6.4% of net sales in 2024. Our operating margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 12.7%, a 260 basis points improvement from 10.1% in the same quarter last year.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, selling and marketing expense, or 2.8% of net sales, was $80.8 million, compared to $76.2 million, or 3.1% of net sales, in 2024.
Speaker #2: Fourth quarter general and administrative expenses was 43.1 million dollars, or 5.6% of net sales. Compared to 40.9 million dollars, or 6.3% of net sales in the same quarter a year ago.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, general and administrative expense was 168.3 million dollars, or 5.8% of net sales. Compared to 156.6 million dollars, or 6.4% of net sales in 2024.
Speaker #2: Our operating margin in the fourth quarter of 2025 was 12.7%, a 260-basis-point improvement from 10.1% in the same quarter last year. For the full year 2025, operating margin was 11.7% as compared to 9.6% in 2024.
Operator: For the full year of 2025, operating margin was 11.7% as compared to 9.6% in 2024. The increase in both periods was due to the improvement in gross margin as well as continued spending discipline in selling general and administrative expenses. Interest expense was $11.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to $10.7 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, interest expense was $43.2 million compared to $45.5 million in 2024. Interest income was $2.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to $2.1 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, interest income was $10.4 million compared to $10.9 million in 2024. Other non-operating income and expenses in the fourth quarter of 2025 totaled a net expense of $3 million as compared to net income of $1.4 million in the same quarter last year.
Dan Bailey: For the full year of 2025, operating margin was 11.7% as compared to 9.6% in 2024. The increase in both periods was due to the improvement in gross margin as well as continued spending discipline in selling general and administrative expenses. Interest expense was $11.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to $10.7 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, interest expense was $43.2 million compared to $45.5 million in 2024. Interest income was $2.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to $2.1 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, interest income was $10.4 million compared to $10.9 million in 2024. Other non-operating income and expenses in the fourth quarter of 2025 totaled a net expense of $3 million as compared to net income of $1.4 million in the same quarter last year.
Speaker #2: The increase in both periods was due to the improvement in gross margin, as well as continued spending discipline in selling, general, and administrative expenses.
Speaker #2: Interest expense was 11.8 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 10.7 million dollars in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, interest expense was 43.2 million dollars, compared to 2024.
Speaker #2: Interest income 45.5 million dollars in was 2.8 million dollars in the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 2.1 million dollars in the same quarter last year.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, interest income was $10.4 million, compared to $10.9 million in 2024. Other non-operating income and expenses in the fourth quarter of 2025 totaled a net expense of $3 million.
Speaker #2: As compared to net income of 1.4 million dollars in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, other non-operating income and expenses totaled a net expense of 4.8 million dollars, compared to net income of 3.5 million dollars in 2024.
Operator: For the full year of 2025, other non-operating income and expenses totaled a net expense of $4.8 million compared to net income of $3.5 million in 2024. Our effective tax rate was 13.2% in Q4 2025, resulting in tax expense of $11.4 million. This compares to an effective tax rate of 12.2% or a tax expense of $7.2 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, the effective tax rate was 14.5%, resulting in tax expense of $43.9 million compared to an effective tax rate of 12.4% and tax expense of $25.2 million in 2024. Q4 2025 net income was $74.8 million or $0.70 per diluted share. This compares to Q4 2024 net income of $51.4 million or $0.49 per diluted share.
Dan Bailey: For the full year of 2025, other non-operating income and expenses totaled a net expense of $4.8 million compared to net income of $3.5 million in 2024. Our effective tax rate was 13.2% in Q4 2025, resulting in tax expense of $11.4 million. This compares to an effective tax rate of 12.2% or a tax expense of $7.2 million in the same quarter last year. For the full year of 2025, the effective tax rate was 14.5%, resulting in tax expense of $43.9 million compared to an effective tax rate of 12.4% and tax expense of $25.2 million in 2024. Q4 2025 net income was $74.8 million or $0.70 per diluted share. This compares to Q4 2024 net income of $51.4 million or $0.49 per diluted share.
Speaker #2: Our effective tax rate was 13.2% in the fourth quarter of 2025, resulting in a tax expense of $11.4 million. This compares to an effective tax rate of 12.2%, or a tax expense of $7.2 million in the same quarter last year.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, the effective tax rate was 14.5%, resulting in tax expense of $43.9 million, compared to an effective tax rate of 12.4% and tax expense of $25.2 million in 2024.
Speaker #2: Full quarter 2025 net income was $74.8 million, or $0.70 per diluted share. This compares to fourth quarter 2024 net income of $51.4 million, or $0.49 per diluted share.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, net income was 259 million dollars, or 2 dollars and 46 cents per diluted share. Compared to 177.5 million dollars, or 1 dollar and 70 cents per diluted share in 2024.
Operator: For the full year of 2025, net income was $259 million or $2.46 per diluted share, compared to $177.5 million or $1.70 per diluted share in 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $126.2 million or 16.3% of net sales, compared to fourth quarter 2024 adjusted EBITDA of $95.7 million or 14.7% of net sales. For the full year of 2025, adjusted EBITDA was $456.3 million or 15.7% of net sales, compared to $351.5 million or 14.4% of net sales in 2024. I will now turn to our guidance for the first quarter of 2026. We project net sales for the first quarter of 2026 to be in the range of $770 million to $810 million, and Non-GAAP earnings to be in the range of $0.64 to $0.70 per diluted share.
Dan Bailey: For the full year of 2025, net income was $259 million or $2.46 per diluted share, compared to $177.5 million or $1.70 per diluted share in 2024. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $126.2 million or 16.3% of net sales, compared to fourth quarter 2024 adjusted EBITDA of $95.7 million or 14.7% of net sales. For the full year of 2025, adjusted EBITDA was $456.3 million or 15.7% of net sales, compared to $351.5 million or 14.4% of net sales in 2024. I will now turn to our guidance for the first quarter of 2026. We project net sales for the first quarter of 2026 to be in the range of $770 million to $810 million, and Non-GAAP earnings to be in the range of $0.64 to $0.70 per diluted share.
Speaker #2: Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2025 was $126.2 million, or 16.3% of net sales. This compares to fourth quarter 2024 adjusted EBITDA of $95.7 million, or 14.7% of net sales.
Speaker #2: For the full year of 2025, adjusted EBITDA was 456.3 million dollars, or 15.7% of net sales. Compared to 351.5 million dollars, or 14.4% of net sales in 2024.
Speaker #2: I will now turn to our guidance for the first quarter of 2026. We project net sales for the first quarter of 2026 to be in the range of $770 million to $810 million.
Speaker #2: And non-gap earnings to be in the range of 64 cents to 70 cents per diluted share. As a reminder, we expect first quarter profitability to be typically impacted by increased operating costs, particularly labor costs, resulting from the Chinese New Year holiday.
Operator: As a reminder, we expect Q1 profitability to be typically impacted by increased operating costs, particularly labor costs, resulting from the Chinese New Year holiday. In addition, we expect our full year 2026 total net sales to increase in the range of 15% to 20% over 2025 total net sales. The Q1 2026 EPS forecast is based on a diluted share count of approximately 106.7 million shares, which includes the dilutive effect of outstanding stock options and other stock awards. We expect SG&A expense to be about 8.5% of net sales in Q1, and R&D expenditures to be about 1% of net sales. We expect interest expense of approximately $10.6 million, interest income of approximately $2.2 million, and other non-operating expense of approximately $2.7 million. We estimate our effective tax rate to be between 12% and 17%.
Dan Bailey: As a reminder, we expect Q1 profitability to be typically impacted by increased operating costs, particularly labor costs, resulting from the Chinese New Year holiday. In addition, we expect our full year 2026 total net sales to increase in the range of 15% to 20% over 2025 total net sales. The Q1 2026 EPS forecast is based on a diluted share count of approximately 106.7 million shares, which includes the dilutive effect of outstanding stock options and other stock awards. We expect SG&A expense to be about 8.5% of net sales in Q1, and R&D expenditures to be about 1% of net sales. We expect interest expense of approximately $10.6 million, interest income of approximately $2.2 million, and other non-operating expense of approximately $2.7 million. We estimate our effective tax rate to be between 12% and 17%.
Speaker #2: In addition, we expect our full year 2026 total net sales to increase in the range of 15% to 20% over 2025 total net sales.
Speaker #2: The first quarter 2026 EPS forecast is based on a diluted share count of approximately 106.7 million shares, which includes the dilutive effect of outstanding stock options and other stock awards.
Speaker #2: We expect SG&A expense to be about 8.5% of net sales in the first quarter, and R&D expenditures to be about 1% of net sales.
Speaker #2: We expect interest expense of approximately 10.6 million dollars, interest income of approximately 2.2 million dollars, and other non-operating expenses of approximately 2.7 million dollars.
Speaker #2: We estimate our effective tax rate to be between 12 and 17%. Further, we expect to record depreciation in approximately of approximately 29.8 million dollars, amortization of intangibles of approximately 9.2 million dollars, stock-based compensation expense of approximately 11.5 million dollars, and non-cash interest expense of approximately 0.5 million dollars.
Operator: Further, we expect to record depreciation of approximately $29.8 million, amortization of intangibles of approximately $9.2 million, stock-based compensation expense of approximately $11.5 million, and non-cash interest expense of approximately $0.5 million. Finally, I'd like to announce that we will be participating in the Citi Industrial Tech and Mobility Conference in Miami, Florida, on 19 February, and the J.P. Morgan Leveraged Finance Conference in Miami, Florida, on 3 March. That concludes our prepared remarks. Now I'll turn it over for questions. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press star 11 again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
Dan Bailey: Further, we expect to record depreciation of approximately $29.8 million, amortization of intangibles of approximately $9.2 million, stock-based compensation expense of approximately $11.5 million, and non-cash interest expense of approximately $0.5 million. Finally, I'd like to announce that we will be participating in the Citi Industrial Tech and Mobility Conference in Miami, Florida, on 19 February, and the J.P. Morgan Leveraged Finance Conference in Miami, Florida, on 3 March. That concludes our prepared remarks. Now I'll turn it over for questions.
Speaker #2: And finally, I'd like to announce that we will be participating in the City Industrial Tech and Mobility Conference in Miami, Florida, on February 19, and the JP Morgan Leveraged Finance Conference in Miami, Florida, on March 3.
Speaker #2: That concludes our prepared remarks. Now I'll turn it over for questions. Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced.
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, press star 11 again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.Our first question will come from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham & Co. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: To withdraw your question, press star 11 again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question.
Speaker #2: Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question will come from the line of Jim Rashuti with Needham & Co.
Operator: Our first question will come from the line of Jim Ricchiuti with Needham & Co. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Your line is open.
Speaker #3: Hi, thank you. Good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter. First question is regarding capacity, and I wonder if you could talk about where you stand with respect to adding additional data center capacity in China.
Jim Ricchiuti: Thank you. Good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter. First question is regarding capacity, and I wonder if you could talk about where you stand with respect to adding additional data center capacity in China as needed. Second question is just where you stand with Syracuse in terms of the ramp of the new capacity there. Then I have a follow-up question on margins. Thank you.
James Ricchiuti: Thank you. Good afternoon. Congrats on the quarter. First question is regarding capacity, and I wonder if you could talk about where you stand with respect to adding additional data center capacity in China as needed. Second question is just where you stand with Syracuse in terms of the ramp of the new capacity there. Then I have a follow-up question on margins. Thank you.
Speaker #3: As needed. And second question is just where you stand with Syracuse in terms of the ramp of the new capacity there. And then I have a follow-up question on margins.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Yeah, thank you very much, Jim. And good afternoon. To answer your first question, we're making very good progress, both in China and the US, on expanding our capacity and remember that we guided, let's say, our growth 15 to 20% over the coming three years.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Thank you very much, Jim, and good afternoon. To answer your first question, we're making very good progress both in China and the US on extending our capacity. And remember that we guided, let's say, our growth 15% to 20% over the coming three years. That capacity will do the job, let's say. And we have even more capacity to do even more, depending on the demand, of course. So capacity is not the issue. Also, the supply chain is not the issue. The equipment is not the issue. So we're well on track. We were there, let's say, last week in China. Things are going very, very, very smooth. To answer your second question on Syracuse, same thing. Same thing. We have our lead customers there. The building is up, as you know. The equipment is in. We are basically doing the tie-ins now.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Thank you very much, Jim, and good afternoon. To answer your first question, we're making very good progress both in China and the US on extending our capacity. And remember that we guided, let's say, our growth 15% to 20% over the coming three years. That capacity will do the job, let's say. And we have even more capacity to do even more, depending on the demand, of course. So capacity is not the issue. Also, the supply chain is not the issue. The equipment is not the issue. So we're well on track. We were there, let's say, last week in China. Things are going very, very, very smooth. To answer your second question on Syracuse, same thing. Same thing. We have our lead customers there. The building is up, as you know. The equipment is in. We are basically doing the tie-ins now.
Speaker #4: Capacity will do that job, let's say. And we have even more capacity to do even more, depending on the demand, of course.
Speaker #4: So, capacity is not the issue. Also, the supply chain is not the issue. The equipment is not the issue. So we're well on track.
Speaker #4: We were there, let's say, last week in China; things are going very, very, very smooth. To answer your second question on Syracuse, same thing.
Speaker #4: Same thing. We have our lead customers there. The building is up, as you know. The equipment is in. We are basically doing the tile rinse now.
Speaker #4: And as we said, three months ago, we're exactly on track. For the second half of this year, we will see first avenues coming from Syracuse Diamond, which is a really, really nice milestone.
Edwin Roks: As we said three months ago, we're exactly on track. For the second half of this year, we will see first avenues coming from Syracuse Diamond, which is a really, really nice milestone.
Edwin Roks: As we said three months ago, we're exactly on track. For the second half of this year, we will see first avenues coming from Syracuse Diamond, which is a really, really nice milestone.
Speaker #3: And the question—just a final question from me—is just on gross margins, the improvement you saw. You highlighted that it was volume-driven and mix.
Jim Ricchiuti: A question, just a final question from me is just on gross margins, the improvement you saw. You highlighted that it was volume-driven and mixed. I wonder if you could also give us a sense of what the headwind was from Penang. And was it more mix-related or volume-related in terms of A&D and data center? Thank you.
James Ricchiuti: A question, just a final question from me is just on gross margins, the improvement you saw. You highlighted that it was volume-driven and mixed. I wonder if you could also give us a sense of what the headwind was from Penang. And was it more mix-related or volume-related in terms of A&D and data center? Thank you.
Speaker #3: I wonder if you could also give us a sense of what the headwind was from Penang, and was it more mix-related or volume-related in terms of A&D and data center?
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Speaker #4: Jim, hi, this is Dan. I'll take that one. So Q4, first to address your Penang question, Q4 at the gross profit level still had headwind of about 180.
Dan Bailey: Jim, hi. This is Dan. I'll take that one. So, Q4, first to address your Penang question, Q4 at the gross profit level still had headwind of about 180. And we had guided 160, so a little bit worse than expected there on Q4, but still, as you noted, improved gross margins. So that gross margin improvement was primarily mixed, data center and networking, as well as we did have improved margins in A&D, those two, in that order. So you're right on with that. But about 180 basis points on Penang, that will improve throughout this year. And as we guided before, it'll be about half of that by the end of the year.
Dan Bailey: Jim, hi. This is Dan. I'll take that one. So, Q4, first to address your Penang question, Q4 at the gross profit level still had headwind of about 180. And we had guided 160, so a little bit worse than expected there on Q4, but still, as you noted, improved gross margins. So that gross margin improvement was primarily mixed, data center and networking, as well as we did have improved margins in A&D, those two, in that order. So you're right on with that. But about 180 basis points on Penang, that will improve throughout this year. And as we guided before, it'll be about half of that by the end of the year.
Speaker #4: So, a little— and we had guided 160, bit worse than expected there on Q4. But still, as you noted, improved gross margins. So that gross margin improvement was primarily mix, and data center and networking.
Speaker #4: As well as we did have improved margins in A&D, those two in that order. So you’re right on with that. But about 180 basis points on Penang that will improve throughout this year.
Speaker #4: And as we guided before, it'll be about half of that by the end of the year. Yeah, maybe, Jim, some additional on Penang. We basically doubled revenues versus last quarter.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Maybe, Jim, some additional color on Penang. We basically doubled revenues versus last quarter. So that's going in the right direction. Also, if I look at the yield numbers and again, we look at these yield numbers every week on the lead vehicles, we see that that is going in the right direction. I will be there, let's say, in one week from now. It is going really, really smooth in Penang. So I really hope we do better, let's say, than the 160 basis point that cut it in half for the end of the year, what we said before. We're making good progress. So I really hope we do a lot better.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Maybe, Jim, some additional color on Penang. We basically doubled revenues versus last quarter. So that's going in the right direction. Also, if I look at the yield numbers and again, we look at these yield numbers every week on the lead vehicles, we see that that is going in the right direction. I will be there, let's say, in one week from now. It is going really, really smooth in Penang. So I really hope we do better, let's say, than the 160 basis point that cut it in half for the end of the year, what we said before. We're making good progress. So I really hope we do a lot better.
Speaker #4: So that's going in the right direction. Also, if I look at the yield numbers—and again, we look at these yield numbers every week—yeah, on the lead vehicles, we see that it's going in the right direction.
Speaker #4: I will be there, let's say, in one week from now. It is going really, really smooth in Penang. So I really hope we do better, let's say, than the 160 basis points that kept it in half for the end of the year, what we've said before.
Speaker #4: We're making good progress, so I really hope we do a lot.
Speaker #3: Thanks very much for that additional
Jim Ricchiuti: Thanks very much for that additional color.
James Ricchiuti: Thanks very much for that additional color.
Speaker #3: Color. One moment for our next
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: And that will come from the line of Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #5: Great, thanks for taking strong results and outlook. Edwin, a moment ago, you referred to capacity in the United States. I suspect you're talking about Eau Claire.
William Stein: Great. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the strong results and outlook. Edwin, a moment ago, you referred to capacity in the United States. I suspect you're talking about Eau Claire. Could you give us any update as to what the plans are to equip that facility and when we might see any revenue from it, any longer-term plans you can tell us about Eau Claire?
William Stein: Great. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the strong results and outlook. Edwin, a moment ago, you referred to capacity in the United States. I suspect you're talking about Eau Claire. Could you give us any update as to what the plans are to equip that facility and when we might see any revenue from it, any longer-term plans you can tell us about Eau Claire?
Speaker #5: Could you give us any update as to what the plans are to equip that facility and when we might see any revenue from it, any longer-term plans you can tell us about Eau Claire?
Speaker #5: Could you give us any update as to what the plans are to equip that facility and when we might see any revenue from it, any longer-term plans you can tell us about Eau
Speaker #4: Yeah, absolutely, Bill. Pleasure to do that. First of all, I was referring to China. And to the existing facilities in the US, but I'm happy to talk about Eau Claire.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Absolutely. It'll be a pleasure to do that. First of all, I was referring to China and to the existing facilities in the US. But I'm happy to talk about Eau Claire. Eau Claire is an amazing site. It's the largest site, if I exclude some of the in-house activities of some of our customers. But if I look at the bigger scheme, it's the largest PCB site in the US. It's 750,000sq ft, and it's based on 3 different modules. I was there 2 weeks ago, and it is really, really big. Well maintained. The previous owner, TDK, did a really good job. It's well maintained. So what we are going to do is the coming 18 months and 2 years, let's say, we're going to tool up that facility.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Absolutely. It'll be a pleasure to do that. First of all, I was referring to China and to the existing facilities in the US. But I'm happy to talk about Eau Claire. Eau Claire is an amazing site. It's the largest site, if I exclude some of the in-house activities of some of our customers. But if I look at the bigger scheme, it's the largest PCB site in the US. It's 750,000sq ft, and it's based on 3 different modules. I was there 2 weeks ago, and it is really, really big. Well maintained. The previous owner, TDK, did a really good job. It's well maintained. So what we are going to do is the coming 18 months and 2 years, let's say, we're going to tool up that facility.
Speaker #4: Eau Claire is an amazing site. It's the largest site, if I exclude some of the in-house activities of some of our customers. But if I look at the bigger scheme, it's the largest PCB site in the US.
Speaker #4: It's 750,000 square feet, and it's based on three—it's 750,000 different modules. I was there two weeks ago, and it is really, really big. Well maintained.
Speaker #4: The previous owner, TDK, did a really good job as well is the coming 18 months and two years, let's say, we're going to tool up that facility we are discussing right now.
Edwin Roks: We are discussing right now, and this is a work in progress right now, with our lead customers, both on the commercial side and the defense side. So that's still a mix. They need the capacity. So I think we're in a good position there. But again, this is going hand in hand. The thing is, the facility is there. It will take us, let's say, 18 to 24 months to get first revenues, but it's going really, really smooth. And by the way, Eau Claire is not built in the capacity plans we described.
Edwin Roks: We are discussing right now, and this is a work in progress right now, with our lead customers, both on the commercial side and the defense side. So that's still a mix. They need the capacity. So I think we're in a good position there. But again, this is going hand in hand. The thing is, the facility is there. It will take us, let's say, 18 to 24 months to get first revenues, but it's going really, really smooth. And by the way, Eau Claire is not built in the capacity plans we described.
Speaker #4: And this is a work in progress right now with our lead customers, both on the commercial side and the defense side. So that's still a mix.
Speaker #4: They need the capacity, so I think we're in a good position there. But again, this is going hand in hand. The thing is, the facility is there.
Speaker #4: It will take us, let's say, 18 to 24 months to get first revenues that it's going really, really smooth. And by the way, Eau Claire is not built in the capacity plans we described.
William Stein: Okay. So it sounds like that's 18 to 24 months out.
William Stein: Okay. So it sounds like that's 18 to 24 months out.
Speaker #3: it sounds like that's 18 to 24
Speaker #3: months out. Eau Claire.
Speaker #4: Yeah, Eau Claire will be on top of. Yeah.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Eau Claire will be on top of. Yeah.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Eau Claire will be on top of. Yeah.
Speaker #3: Got it. Thank you. Maybe one other the very large book-to-bill you had this quarter, it's clearly there's a lot in defense, but even in the commercial part of the business, it was strong.
William Stein: Got it. Thank you. Maybe one other, the very large book-to-bill you had this quarter. Clearly, there's a lot in defense, but even in the commercial part of the business, it was strong. And yet, you also disclosed the 90-day book-to-bill. So it sounds like this is not so much sort of rush orders for the next quarter, but it's providing you greater visibility. Any color on the orders by end market, or sort of what's I guess I'm trying to ask whether that's driven by just trying to lock in capacity or if it's a matter of providing a commitment to TTM so that you can then commit to add capacity.
William Stein: Got it. Thank you. Maybe one other, the very large book-to-bill you had this quarter. Clearly, there's a lot in defense, but even in the commercial part of the business, it was strong. And yet, you also disclosed the 90-day book-to-bill. So it sounds like this is not so much sort of rush orders for the next quarter, but it's providing you greater visibility. Any color on the orders by end market, or sort of what's I guess I'm trying to ask whether that's driven by just trying to lock in capacity or if it's a matter of providing a commitment to TTM so that you can then commit to add capacity.
Speaker #3: And yet you also disclosed the 90-day book-to-bill. So it sounds like this is not so much sort of rush orders for the next quarter, but it's providing you greater visibility any color on the orders by end market or sort of what's is that I guess I'm trying to ask whether that's driven by just trying to lock in capacity or if it's a matter of providing a commitment to TTM so that you can then commit to add capacity.
Speaker #4: Yeah, yeah, happy to do that. So if you look at our visibility, that business—the ongoing business, the commercial side—mostly data centers and networking.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Yeah. Happy to do that. So if you look at our visibility, that didn't change, let's say, for the business, the ongoing business, the commercial side, mostly data centers and networking. That's still about 6 to 9 months. Yeah. That's our outlook, which is a normal number. Over time, we will get, let's say, on some more strategic elements of these same customers, we get some more visibility. Yeah. But on the running business, it's about 6 to 9 months, and that was the case, and that's still the case. On the defense side, it's, of course, a different story. The backlog we have, the $1.6 billion, is a big number. The pipeline is even bigger. And as you know, this is going over multiple years. So in general, let's say, 2 years or even 2 and a half years, that's where we use these $1.6 billion for.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Yeah. Happy to do that. So if you look at our visibility, that didn't change, let's say, for the business, the ongoing business, the commercial side, mostly data centers and networking. That's still about 6 to 9 months. Yeah. That's our outlook, which is a normal number. Over time, we will get, let's say, on some more strategic elements of these same customers, we get some more visibility. Yeah. But on the running business, it's about 6 to 9 months, and that was the case, and that's still the case. On the defense side, it's, of course, a different story. The backlog we have, the $1.6 billion, is a big number. The pipeline is even bigger. And as you know, this is going over multiple years. So in general, let's say, 2 years or even 2 and a half years, that's where we use these $1.6 billion for.So it's still in that same order in this case.
Speaker #4: That's still about 6 to 9 months. Yeah, that's our ur outlook. Which is a normal number. Over time, we will get let's say on some more strategic elements of these same customers, we get some more visibility.
Speaker #4: Yeah, but on the running business, it is about six to nine months. And that was the case, and that's still the case. On the defense side, there's, of course, a different story.
Speaker #4: There the backlog we have, the 1.6 number, the pipeline is even billion, is a big bigger. And as you know, this is going over multiple years.
Speaker #4: So in general, let's say two years or even two and a half use these 1.6 billion for. So it's still in that years, that's where we case.
Edwin Roks: So it's still in that same order in this case.
Speaker #3: Great. Thank
William Stein: Great. Thank you.
William Stein: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #3: you.
Speaker #2: And one moment for our next
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Ruben Roy with Stifel. Your line is open.
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Ruben Roy with Stifel. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: And that will come from the line of Ruben Roy with T4. Your line is open.
Speaker #6: Hi, this is Hedge. On for Ruben. Congrats on the quarter. I guess I want to ask about the CapEx and how fungible that is relative to aerospace and defense, and about that growth relative to the sort of updated long-term 2027 targets you provided.
Ruben Roy: Hi. This is the question for Ruben. Congrats on the quarter. I guess I want to ask about the CapEx and how fungible that is relative to aerospace and defense, and data center and how you're thinking about that growth relative to the sort of updated long-term 27 targets you provided earlier.
Ruben Roy: Hi. This is the question for Ruben. Congrats on the quarter. I guess I want to ask about the CapEx and how fungible that is relative to aerospace and defense, and data center and how you're thinking about that growth relative to the sort of updated long-term 27 targets you provided earlier.
Speaker #6: earlier. Yeah.
Dan Bailey: Yeah. So we had also given some guidance before that for the data center and compute capacity that we're putting on in China, that'll be an additional incremental capital expenditure of about $200 to 300 million over the next two to three years. So that's above the 4% to 5% normal capital expenditures that we have. So frankly, going in from this year to next year, we'll probably see about almost the same level of CapEx. We'll disclose in our 10-K the expected CapEx for 2026, which is in the range of $240 to 260. And then that'll grow into the following year as well, so.
Dan Bailey: Yeah. So we had also given some guidance before that for the data center and compute capacity that we're putting on in China, that'll be an additional incremental capital expenditure of about $200 to 300 million over the next two to three years. So that's above the 4% to 5% normal capital expenditures that we have. So frankly, going in from this year to next year, we'll probably see about almost the same level of CapEx. We'll disclose in our 10-K the expected CapEx for 2026, which is in the range of $240 to 260. And then that'll grow into the following year as well, so.
Speaker #4: Given some guidance before that for the data center and compute capacity that we're putting on in China, that'll be an additional incremental capital expenditure of about $200 to $300 million over the next two to three years.
Speaker #4: So that's above the 4 to 5 percent normal capital expenditures that we have. So frankly, going in from this year to next year, we'll probably see about almost the same level of CapEx.
Speaker #4: We'll disclose in our 10K the is in the range of 240 to expected CapEx for 2026, which 260. And then that'll grow into the following year as
Speaker #4: well. Okay.
Ruben Roy: Okay. And in terms of the doubling in earnings, are you thinking of that purely organically or inorganically? How are you thinking about M&A in this scenario?
Ruben Roy: Okay. And in terms of the doubling in earnings, are you thinking of that purely organically or inorganically? How are you thinking about M&A in this scenario?
Speaker #6: And in terms of the doubling in earnings, are you thinking that purely organically or inorganically? How are you thinking about M&A in this scenario?
Speaker #4: Yeah, we've been happy to answer that question. This is all organic—organic growth, yeah? Because there is so much demand, and we are investing in our capacity.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Ruben, happy to answer that question. This is all organic growth. Yeah. There is so much demand, and we are investing in our capacity. So based on that, let's say, and based on, let's say, the traction we make on yield and all the other operational elements, we think we can double the earnings in two years.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Ruben, happy to answer that question. This is all organic growth. Yeah. There is so much demand, and we are investing in our capacity. So based on that, let's say, and based on, let's say, the traction we make on yield and all the other operational elements, we think we can double the earnings in two years.
Speaker #4: So based on that, let's say, and based on, let's say, the traction we make on yield and all the other operational elements, we think we can double the earnings in two years.
Speaker #6: Understood. Thank you.
Ruben Roy: Understood. Thank you.
Ruben Roy: Understood. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And one moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Mike Crawford with B Rally Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Mike Crawford with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Mike Crawford with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #7: And thank you. Just digging in deeper into the additional data center capacity you're putting in place in China, the I believe the most advanced printed circuit boards you're making now are Dongguan with maybe 87 layers asymmetric designs.
Mike Crawford: Thank you. Just digging in deeper into the additional data center capacity you're putting in place in China, I believe the most advanced printed circuit boards you're making now are Dongguan with maybe 87 layers, asymmetric designs. Are those processes being ported to these other facilities in China as well, and how long does that take?
Mike Crawford: Thank you. Just digging in deeper into the additional data center capacity you're putting in place in China, I believe the most advanced printed circuit boards you're making now are Dongguan with maybe 87 layers, asymmetric designs. Are those processes being ported to these other facilities in China as well, and how long does that take?
Speaker #7: And is that are those processes being ported to these other facilities in China as well? And how long does that take?
Speaker #4: Yeah. Mike, that's a good question. Indeed. Indeed. layers, yeah, so we hear numbers. We hear different numbers. The 78, not the 87. The 78 layers is one of Everything, let's say, beyond the 60 the boards where we're working on.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Mike, that's a good question. Indeed. Indeed. Everything, let's say, beyond the 60 layers. Yeah. So we hear numbers. We hear different numbers. The 78, not the 87. The 78 layers is one of the boards we're working on, and that's going very smooth. But I can tell you that the numbers go up. Yeah. If we speak with and of course, we speak with our customers on a daily basis. The demand is high, but the number of layers is going up. There are numbers, let's say, beyond the 100 layers already, which are required. Of course, these systems become more and more and more and more compact. That requires more layers and more complexity. And we are well positioned there. We're happy to see that because we are well positioned to do these multiple layers.
Edwin Roks: Yeah. Mike, that's a good question. Indeed. Indeed. Everything, let's say, beyond the 60 layers. Yeah. So we hear numbers. We hear different numbers. The 78, not the 87. The 78 layers is one of the boards we're working on, and that's going very smooth. But I can tell you that the numbers go up. Yeah. If we speak with and of course, we speak with our customers on a daily basis. The demand is high, but the number of layers is going up. There are numbers, let's say, beyond the 100 layers already, which are required. Of course, these systems become more and more and more and more compact. That requires more layers and more complexity. And we are well positioned there. We're happy to see that because we are well positioned to do these multiple layers.
Speaker #4: And that's going very smooth. But I can tell you that the numbers go we speak with our customers on a daily basis, the demand is up.
Speaker #4: up. There are numbers, let's say, beyond the 100 layers already, which are required. Yeah? If we speak with and of course, more and more compact that require small layers and more complexity.
Speaker #4: positioned to do these multiple there. layers.
Speaker #6: And Mike,
Dan Bailey: And Mike, I'll just add that you mentioned the site. So Dongguan and Guangzhou, those two sites both are where we do the artificial intelligence boards now. And the capital expenditures that we are doing out there are additional equipment and facilitation and optimization of those lines in those same factories. So it's not new factories. And so to your question, it will very easily and efficiently be able to get that new capacity up and running.
Dan Bailey: And Mike, I'll just add that you mentioned the site. So Dongguan and Guangzhou, those two sites both are where we do the artificial intelligence boards now. And the capital expenditures that we are doing out there are additional equipment and facilitation and optimization of those lines in those same factories. So it's not new factories. And so to your question, it will very easily and efficiently be able to get that new capacity up and running.
Speaker #6: I'll just add that you mentioned the site. So We are happy to see that because we are well Dongguang and Guangzhou, those two sites both are where we do the artificial intelligence the capital expenditures that we are doing out boards now.
Speaker #6: there are additional equipment and And lines in those same factories. So it's not new factories. And so to your question, it will very easily and efficiently be able to facilitization and optimization of those get that new capacity up and
Speaker #6: running. Okay.
Mike Crawford: Okay. Thanks for that clarification. Then a follow-up is regarding space. So historically, I think defense has been maybe 90% of your aerospace and defense business with maybe 5% space. But now, there's talks of putting as many as 1 million data center satellites in the low Earth orbit. So I would imagine those might have different properties required of the printed circuit boards going into such equipment. Is that something that you're working on now, or is that another future opportunity?
Mike Crawford: Okay. Thanks for that clarification. Then a follow-up is regarding space. So historically, I think defense has been maybe 90% of your aerospace and defense business with maybe 5% space. But now, there's talks of putting as many as 1 million data center satellites in the low Earth orbit. So I would imagine those might have different properties required of the printed circuit boards going into such equipment. Is that something that you're working on now, or is that another future opportunity?
Speaker #7: Thanks for that clarification. And then a So historically, I think defense has been maybe 90% of your aerospace and follow-up is regarding space. defense business with maybe 5% space.
Speaker #7: But now there's talks of putting as many as a million data center satellites in the low Earth orbit. And so I would imagine those might have different properties required of the printed circuit boards going into such equipment.
Speaker #7: Something that you're working on now, and is that opportunity?
Speaker #4: Both. Both, Mike. It is something we're working on right now. We have the technologies, but it is also space is absolutely one of our strategic directions.
Edwin Roks: Both, Mike. It is something we're working on right now. We have the technologies, but it is also. Space is absolutely one of our strategic directions and requiring more PCBs, but not only PCBs, also integrated modules, radiation-hard, and so on and so forth. So that's absolutely on our radar and absolutely in our strategic plan.
Edwin Roks: Both, Mike. It is something we're working on right now. We have the technologies, but it is also. Space is absolutely one of our strategic directions and requiring more PCBs, but not only PCBs, also integrated modules, radiation-hard, and so on and so forth. So that's absolutely on our radar and absolutely in our strategic plan.
Speaker #4: And requiring more PCBs, but not only PCBs, also integrated modules radiation hard. And so on and so forth. So that's absolutely on our radar and absolutely in our strategic
Speaker #7: Great. Thank you very much.
Mike Crawford: Great. Thank you very much.
Mike Crawford: Great. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Edwin Roks: Thank you.
Edwin Roks: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. We do have a follow-up question, and that will come from the line of Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Operator: Thank you. We do have a follow-up question, and that will come from the line of Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #2: Thank you.
Speaker #2: And that will come from the line of have a follow-up question. Will Stein with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Speaker #8: Thanks. Follow-up is a cost question on copper has traditionally been significant expense for TTM. I think the price has been quite you hedge it, but can you us?
William Stein: Thanks. Follow-up is a cost question on copper. Copper has traditionally been a significant expense for TTM. I think the price has been quite volatile and rising. I believe you hedge it, but can you just sensitize us? What should we expect the impact of volatile copper prices to be on the P&L over the next few quarters?
William Stein: Thanks. Follow-up is a cost question on copper. Copper has traditionally been a significant expense for TTM. I think the price has been quite volatile and rising. I believe you hedge it, but can you just sensitize us? What should we expect the impact of volatile copper prices to be on the P&L over the next few quarters?
Speaker #8: volatile and rising. What should we I believe expect that impact of volatile copper prices to be on the P&L over the next few just sensitize quarters?
Speaker #4: Sure. Thanks for your question, Will. We don't expect any significant impacts from it. Generally, the volatility into our pricing, right? So we build our pricing.
Dan Bailey: Sure. Thanks for your question, Will. We don't expect any significant impacts from it. Generally, we build the volatility into our pricing, right? So if we see it going up, we're going to add that into our pricing. We're able to pass that through our customers. So we're quickly able to update our pricing models, right? And then to your point, we do hedge it so that offsets and mitigates some of the risk as well. But most of the biggest mitigation is that we're able to price it in.
Dan Bailey: Sure. Thanks for your question, Will. We don't expect any significant impacts from it. Generally, we build the volatility into our pricing, right? So if we see it going up, we're going to add that into our pricing. We're able to pass that through our customers. So we're quickly able to update our pricing models, right? And then to your point, we do hedge it so that offsets and mitigates some of the risk as well. But most of the biggest mitigation is that we're able to price it in.
Speaker #4: if we see it going up, we're going to add that into We're able to pass that through to our customers. So we're quickly able to update our pricing models, right?
Speaker #4: And then to your point, we do hedge it so that offsets and mitigates some of the risk as well. But most the biggest mitigation is that we're able to price it
William Stein: Great. Thank you.
William Stein: Great. Thank you.
Speaker #8: Great. Thank
Speaker #8: you. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to management for any closing remarks.
Operator: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to management for any closing remarks.
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Speaker #2: at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to management for any closing
Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you. To close, by you, Sheree. First of all, we are growing. We deliver, so I'd like strong sales growth in Q4 of 90% year-on-year in computing, networking, medical, industrial and instrumentation, and aerospace and defense markets.
Edwin Roks: Okay. Thank you, Sherie. So I'd like to close by summarizing three items. First of all, we are growing. We deliver strong sales growth in Q4 of 90% year-over-year, driven by increases in our data center computing, networking, medical, industrial, and instrumentation in aerospace and defense markets. Second, our Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 16.3% reflected strong operating performance, leading to an all-time high record quarterly Non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share. And third, we continue to generate solid cash flow from operations, which enables us to invest in our projected continued growth. In closing, I would like to thank all employees of TTM, our customers, our suppliers, and our shareholders for their continued support. So thank you very much, and goodbye.
Edwin Roks: Okay. Thank you, Sherie. So I'd like to close by summarizing three items. First of all, we are growing. We deliver strong sales growth in Q4 of 90% year-over-year, driven by increases in our data center computing, networking, medical, industrial, and instrumentation in aerospace and defense markets. Second, our Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 16.3% reflected strong operating performance, leading to an all-time high record quarterly Non-GAAP EPS of $0.70 per diluted share. And third, we continue to generate solid cash flow from operations, which enables us to invest in our projected continued growth. In closing, I would like to thank all employees of TTM, our customers, our suppliers, and our shareholders for their continued support. So thank you very much, and goodbye.
Speaker #4: Second, our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 16.3% reflected strong operating performance of $0.70 per diluted share—record quarterly non-GAAP EPS. And third, we had strong operations, which enables us to invest in our projected continued growth.
Speaker #4: In closing, I would like to thank all employees of TTM, our customers, our suppliers, and our shareholders for our continued support. So thank you very
Speaker #4: much. And
Speaker #4: goodbye. This concludes today's
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