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Q4 2025 DHI Group Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good day, and welcome to the DHI Group fourth quarter and full year 2025 financial results conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode.
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Speaker #2: Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon and welcome to DHI Group's fourth quarter and year-end earnings conference call for 2025. Joining me today are DHI's CEO, Art Zeile, and CFO, Greg Schippers.
Todd Kehrli: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to DHI Group's Fourth Quarter and Year-End Earnings Conference Call for 2025. Joining me today are DHI's CEO, Art Zeile, and CFO, Greg Schippers. Before I hand the call over to Art, I'd like to address a few quick items. This afternoon, DHI issued a press release announcing its financial results for the fourth quarter and year-end 2025. The release is available on the company's website at dhigroupinc.com. This call is being broadcast live over the internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website. I want to remind everyone that during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Please note that except for historical information, statements on today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws.
Todd Kehrli: Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to DHI Group's Fourth Quarter and Year-End Earnings Conference Call for 2025. Joining me today are DHI's CEO, Art Zeile, and CFO, Greg Schippers. Before I hand the call over to Art, I'd like to address a few quick items. This afternoon, DHI issued a press release announcing its financial results for the fourth quarter and year-end 2025.
Speaker #2: Before I hand the call over to Art, I'd like to address a few quick items. This afternoon, DHI issued a press release announcing its financial results for the fourth quarter and year-end 2025.
Todd Kehrli: The release is available on the company's website at dhigroupinc.com. This call is being broadcast live over the internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the investor relations page of the company's website. I want to remind everyone that during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties.
Speaker #2: The release is available on the company's website at dhigroupinc.com. This call is being broadcast live over the internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the Investor Relations page of the company's website.
Speaker #2: during today's call, management will make I want to remind everyone that uncertainties. Please note that except for historical information, statements on today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws.
Todd Kehrli: Please note that except for historical information, statements on today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws.
Speaker #2: These forward-looking statements reflect DHI management's current views concerning future events and financial performance, and are subject to risk and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from the outcomes statements.
Todd Kehrli: These forward-looking statements reflect DHI management's current views concerning future events and financial performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from the outcomes contained in any forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause these forward-looking statements to differ from actual results include risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's periodic reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. DHI undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Lastly, on today's call, management will reference specific financial measures, including Adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted EBITDA Margin, Free Cash Flow, and non-GAAP earnings per share, which are not prepared in accordance with US GAAP. Information regarding these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release, which again, can be found on our website at dhigroupinc.com in the Investor Relations section.
Todd Kehrli: These forward-looking statements reflect DHI management's current views concerning future events and financial performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from the outcomes contained in any forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause these forward-looking statements to differ from actual results include risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's periodic reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Speaker #2: Factors that could cause these forward-looking contained in any forward-looking include risk and uncertainties, discussed in statements to differ from actual results the company's periodic reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Todd Kehrli: DHI undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Lastly, on today's call, management will reference specific financial measures, including Adjusted EBITDA, Adjusted EBITDA Margin, Free Cash Flow, and non-GAAP earnings per share, which are not prepared in accordance with US GAAP. Information regarding these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release, which again, can be found on our website at dhigroupinc.com in the Investor Relations section.
Speaker #2: undertakes no obligation to update DHI or revise any forward-looking statements. Lastly, on today's call, management will reference specific financial measures including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin, free cash flow, and non-GAAP earnings per share.
Speaker #2: Which are not prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP. Information regarding these non-GAAP measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release which again can be found on our website at dhigroupinc.com in the Investor Relations section.
Speaker #2: With that, I'll turn the call over to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI GROUP.
Todd Kehrli: With that, now I'll turn the call over to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group.
Todd Kehrli: With that, now I'll turn the call over to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group.
Art Zeile: Thank you, Todd. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group, and with me is Greg Schippers, our CFO. To start, I want to remind everyone that at DHI, our mission is simple: We help employers find and connect with the technology professionals who drive innovation across the US economy. We do this through our two brands, ClearanceJobs and Dice, both with strong positions and attractive markets. Our model is straightforward. More than 90% of our revenue comes from annual or multi-year subscriptions. Customers, who are employers or recruiters, use our platforms to search for, engage with, and recruit tech talent. Our exclusive focus on tech occupations, along with our ongoing product innovation, gives us a durable, competitive advantage.
Art Zeile: Thank you, Todd. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group, and with me is Greg Schippers, our CFO. To start, I want to remind everyone that at DHI, our mission is simple: We help employers find and connect with the technology professionals who drive innovation across the US economy. We do this through our two brands, ClearanceJobs and Dice, both with stro
Speaker #3: Todd. Thank you, Good afternoon. Everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm Art Zeile, CEO of DHI GROUP, and with me is Greg Schippers, our remind everyone that at CFO.
Speaker #3: DHI, our mission is simple: To start, I want to we help employers find and connect with the technology professionals who drive innovation across the U.S.
Speaker #3: do this through our two economy. We brands: Clarence Jobs and Dice. Both with strong positions and attractive markets. Our model is straightforward: more than 90% of our revenue comes from annual, or multi-year, subscriptions.
Art Zeile: ng positions and attractive markets. Our model is straightforward. More than 90% of our revenue comes from annual or multi-year subscriptions. Customers, who are employers or recruiters, use our platforms to search for, engage with, and recruit tech talent. Our exclusive focus on tech occupations, along with our ongoing product innovation, gives us a durable, competitive advantage.
Speaker #3: Customers, who are employers or recruiters, use our platforms to search for, tech talent. Our exclusive focus on tech engage with, and recruit occupations along with our ongoing product innovation gives us a durable, competitive advantage.
Art Zeile: ClearanceJobs is the leading marketplace for professionals with active US security clearances, serving approximately 1,800 customers, including Lockheed, Booz Allen Hamilton, Leidos, Raytheon, and many others. With 1.9 million candidates on our platform, we have the largest number of profiles of US-cleared professionals, giving CJ a significant competitive advantage as a platform for hiring cleared tech talent for the defense sector. Dice is essentially LinkedIn for tech hiring, built over 35 years with 7.7 million profiles in our database, representing the vast majority of technology professionals in the United States. While LinkedIn emphasizes a person's title, we focus on tech skills, of which there are over 100,000 distinct skills in our data model. Tech professionals on Dice actively update their profiles with new skills, making Dice the most relevant platform for recruiters who need to source tech talent.
Art Zeile: ClearanceJobs is the leading marketplace for professionals with active US security clearances, serving approximately 1,800 customers, including Lockheed, Booz Allen Hamilton, Leidos, Raytheon, and many others. With 1.9 million candidates on our platform, we have the largest number of profiles of US-cleared professionals, giving CJ a significant competitive advantage as a platform for hiring cleared tech talent for the defense sector.
Speaker #3: leading marketplace for professionals with Clarence Jobs is the active, U.S. security clearances. Serving approximately 1,800 customers, Leidos, Raytheon, and many others. With 1.9 Allen Hamilton, million candidates on our platform, we have the largest number of profiles of including Lockheed, Booz U.S.
Speaker #3: cleared professionals. Giving CJ a significant competitive advantage as a platform for defense sector. Dice is essentially LinkedIn hiring cleared tech talent for the 35 years with 7.7 million profiles in our database, representing for tech hiring.
Art Zeile: Dice is essentially LinkedIn for tech hiring, built over 35 years with 7.7 million profiles in our database, representing the vast majority of technology professionals in the United States. While LinkedIn emphasizes a person's title, we focus on tech skills, of which there are over 100,000 distinct skills in our data model. Tech professionals on Dice actively update their profiles with new skills, making Dice the most relevant platform for recruiters who need to source tech talent.
Speaker #3: The vast majority of technology is built over professionals in the United States. While LinkedIn emphasizes a person's title, we focus on tech skills—of which there are over 100,000 distinct skills in our data model.
Speaker #3: professionals on Dice actively update their Tech Dice the most relevant platform for profiles with new skills, making recruiters who need to source tech businesses generate strong recurring revenue and robust EBITDA margins.
Art Zeile: Both businesses generate strong recurring revenue and robust EBITDA margins, particularly at ClearanceJobs, where margins run at or above 40% and helps drive strong free cash flow conversion. Investors often mistake us for a staffing and recruiting firm, but we are an essential software tool used by employers and recruiters to find top tech talent for their open positions. Approximately 6,000 employers and staffing companies subscribe to our two SaaS platforms. Now, I would like to provide an overview of our brand performance this quarter and outline the steps we've taken to improve our position moving forward. Starting with ClearanceJobs, we believe the Q4 marked an inflection point. Bookings returned to positive year-over-year growth in the quarter, following a decline in the Q3. This improvement reflects both market tailwinds and improved sales execution following leadership changes earlier in the year.
Art Zeile: Both businesses generate strong recurring revenue and robust EBITDA margins, particularly at ClearanceJobs, where margins run at or above 40% and helps drive strong free cash flow conversion. Investors often mistake us for a staffing and recruiting firm, but we are an essential software tool used by employers and recruiters to find top tech talent for their open positions. Approximately 6,000 employers and staffing companies subscribe to our two SaaS platforms.
Speaker #3: Clarence Jobs, where margins run Particularly at at or above 40%. strong free cash flow conversion. Investors often mistake us for a staffing and recruiting firm.
Speaker #3: But we are an essential software tool used by employers and recruiters to find top tech talent positions. Approximately 6,000 employers and staffing companies subscribe to our two SaaS platforms.
Art Zeile: Now, I would like to provide an overview of our brand performance this quarter and outline the steps we've taken to improve our position moving forward. Starting with ClearanceJobs, we believe the Q4 marked an inflection point. Bookings returned to positive year-over-year growth in the quarter, following a decline in the Q3. This improvement reflects both market tailwinds and improved sales execution following leadership changes earlier in the year.
Speaker #3: I would like to provide an overview of our Now, outline the steps we've taken to improve our position moving forward. Starting with Clarence Jobs, we believe the fourth quarter marked an inflection point.
Speaker #3: Bookings returned quarter, following a decline in the third quarter. This improvement reflects both market tailwinds and improved sales execution following leadership changes earlier in the year.
Art Zeile: The $1 trillion US defense budget for fiscal year 2026 marks an enormous single-year increase over the previous year's budget. Historically, the defense budget has grown roughly in line with GDP growth rates of around 3%, so this is a significant year-over-year increase. Also, NATO countries are boosting defense spending with a target of 5% of their GDPs, which would represent a spending increase of more than $500 billion per year, with US contractors likely to secure a significant portion of this incremental spend. Traditionally, over 60% of EU defense procurement spending goes to US military contractors. These dynamics are promising for ClearanceJobs. With over 10,000 employers of cleared tech professionals and more than 100 government agencies in need of cleared tech professionals, CJ has a significant growth opportunity as government contractors look to staff new projects.
Art Zeile: The $1 trillion US defense budget for fiscal year 2026 marks an enormous single-year increase over the previous year's budget. Historically, the defense budget has grown roughly in line with GDP growth rates of around 3%, so this is a significant year-over-year increase. Also, NATO countries are boosting defense spending with a target of 5% of their GDPs, which would represent a spending increase of more than $500 billion per year, with US contractors likely to secure a significant portion of this incremental spend.
Speaker #3: trillion U.S. defense budget for fiscal year 2026 marks an enormous single-year increase over the previous year's budget. Historically, the defense budget has grown roughly in line with GDP growth rates of around 3%.
Speaker #3: So this is a significant year-over-year increase. Also, NATO countries are boosting defense spending with a target of 5% of their The $1 GDPs. Which would represent a spending increase of more than $500 billion per likely to secure a significant portion of this incremental spend.
Speaker #3: year. Traditionally, over 60% of EU defense procurement With U.S. spending goes to U.S. contractors military contractors. These dynamics are promising for Clarence Jobs. With over 10,000 employers of cleared 100 government agencies in need of tech professionals and more than CJ has a significant growth cleared tech professionals, opportunity as government contractors look to staff new also excited about the progress that we have projects.
Art Zeile: Traditionally, over 60% of EU defense procurement spending goes to US military contractors. These dynamics are promising for ClearanceJobs. With over 10,000 employers of cleared tech professionals and more than 100 government agencies in need of cleared tech professionals, CJ has a significant growth opportunity as government contractors look to staff new projects.
Art Zeile: We are also excited about the progress that we have made with our Agile ATS acquisition. It has been integrated with ClearanceJobs, and we have doubled its revenue in less than six months. This acquisition is a clear illustration of what we can, that we can, quote, unquote, "expand the mission" for ClearanceJobs and leverage the solid relationships we have built with 1,800 military contractors over the past 24 years. Looking back, we have almost doubled the revenue of ClearanceJobs in the last five years, and we continue to expect ClearanceJobs to be our primary growth engine in the near and medium term, as defense contractors are increasingly ramping up hiring activity in anticipation of funded programs. We also continue to innovate within ClearanceJobs. During the quarter, we piloted a premium candidate subscription, initially marketing it to a very small subset of our database.
Art Zeile: We are also excited about the progress that we have made with our Agile ATS acquisition. It has been integrated with ClearanceJobs, and we have doubled its revenue in less than six months. This acquisition is a clear illustration of what we can, that we can, quote, unquote, "expand the mission" for ClearanceJobs and leverage the solid relationships we have built with 1,800 military contractors over the past 24 years.
Speaker #3: made with our Agile ATS acquisition. It has been integrated with Clarence Jobs, and we have We are doubled its revenue in less than six months.
Speaker #3: This acquisition is a clear illustration of how we can 'expand the mission' for Clarence Jobs and leverage relationships built with 1,800 military contractors over the past 24 years.
Art Zeile: Looking back, we have almost doubled the revenue of ClearanceJobs in the last five years, and we continue to expect ClearanceJobs to be our primary growth engine in the near and medium term, as defense contractors are increasingly ramping up hiring activity in anticipation of funded programs. We also continue to innovate within ClearanceJobs. During the quarter, we piloted a premium candidate subscription, initially marketing it to a very small subset of our database.
Speaker #3: Looking back, we have almost doubled the revenue of Clarence Jobs in the last five years, and we continue to expect Clarence Jobs to be our primary growth engine in the near and medium term, as defense contractors are increasingly ramping up hiring activity in anticipation of funded programs.
Speaker #3: We also continue to innovate within Clarence Jobs. During the quarter, we piloted a premium small subset of our marketing it to a very database.
Speaker #3: Early results were encouraging, validating the concept as a new stream. Broader marketing to our full candidate base will occur in stages during 2026, and we expect this to become a more meaningful contributor over time.
Art Zeile: Early results were encouraging, validating the concept as a new recurring revenue stream. Broader marketing to our full candidate base will occur in stages during 2026, and we expect this to become a more meaningful contributor over time. Turning to Dice, the commercial technology hiring environment remains challenging. Dice's performance in Q4 improved in that the rate of decline narrowed, but both bookings and revenue were still down year-over-year. We believe Dice is well-positioned to benefit as broader commercial tech hiring accelerates, but we are not assuming a return to bookings growth in Dice until the tech hiring market returns to growth. Industry data continues to show that overall tech job postings are largely flat compared with late 2024, neither materially better nor worse. That said, tech staffing trends have improved meaningfully.
Art Zeile: Early results were encouraging, validating the concept as a new recurring revenue stream. Broader marketing to our full candidate base will occur in stages during 2026, and we expect this to become a more meaningful contributor over time. Turning to Dice, the commercial technology hiring environment remains challenging. Dice's performance in Q4 improved in that the rate of decline narrowed, but both bookings and revenue were still down year-over-year.
Speaker #3: Turning to Dice, the commercial technology hiring environment remains challenging. Dice's performance in the fourth quarter improved in that the rate of decline narrowed, but both bookings and revenue were still down year over year.
Speaker #3: We believe Dice is well-positioned to benefit as broader commercial tech hiring accelerates, but we are not assuming a return to bookings growth in Dice until the tech hiring market returns to growth.
Art Zeile: We believe Dice is well-positioned to benefit as broader commercial tech hiring accelerates, but we are not assuming a return to bookings growth in Dice until the tech hiring market returns to growth. Industry data continues to show that overall tech job postings are largely flat compared with late 2024, neither materially better nor worse. That said, tech staffing trends have improved meaningfully.
Speaker #3: Industry data continues to show that overall tech job postings are largely flat compared with late 2024, neither materially better nor worse. That said, tech staffing trends have improved meaningfully.
Speaker #3: Staffing Industry Analysts, or SIA, now suggest that U.S. tech staffing declined by about 10% in 2023, about 6% in 2024, and about 2% in 2025, with growth expected in 2026.
Art Zeile: Staffing Industry Analysts, SIA, now suggests that US tech staffing declined by about 10% in 2023, 6% in 2024, and about 2% in 2025, with growth projected to return in 2026. During the quarter, we continued our rollout of the Dice Employer Experience, an online self-service platform. The platform serves two strategic purposes. First, it expands our addressable market, particularly among commercial employers who want flexible, lower commitment, access to Dice through monthly subscriptions or individual job postings. Second, it improves operating efficiency by enabling greater self-service in all our customer relationships. Importantly, Dice Employer Experience is a platform transition, a full-scale rewrite of our Dice code base. Customers will be fully migrated into the new platform by the end of Q1, moving to a modernized interface and workflow, allowing for faster and more efficient, new and enhanced product releases.
Art Zeile: Staffing Industry Analysts, SIA, now suggests that US tech staffing declined by about 10% in 2023, 6% in 2024, and about 2% in 2025, with growth projected to return in 2026. During the quarter, we continued our rollout of the Dice Employer Experience, an online self-service platform. The platform serves two strategic purposes. First, it expands our addressable market, particularly among commercial employers who want flexible, lower commitment, access to Dice through monthly subscriptions or individual job postings.
Speaker #3: During the quarter, we continued our rollout of the Dice Employer Experience. An online self-service platform. The platform serves two strategic purposes. First, it expands our addressable market, particularly among commercial employers who want flexible, lower commitment access to or individual job Dice through monthly subscriptions postings.
Art Zeile: Second, it improves operating efficiency by enabling greater self-service in all our customer relationships. Importantly, Dice Employer Experience is a platform transition, a full-scale rewrite of our Dice code base. Customers will be fully migrated into the new platform by the end of Q1, moving to a modernized interface and workflow, allowing for faster and more efficient, new and enhanced product releases.
Speaker #3: efficiency by enabling greater Second, it improves operating self-service in all our customer relationships. Importantly, Dice Employer Experience is a platform transition. A full-scale rewrite of our Dice code base.
Speaker #3: Customers will be fully migrated into the new Q1, moving to a modernized interface and workflow allowing for faster and more efficient new and enhanced product releases.
Speaker #3: A key long-term demand driver across market continues to be AI-related hiring. At the end of 2025, 55% of Dice job postings required AI-related 28% a year earlier.
Art Zeile: A key long-term demand driver across Dice and the broader tech labor market continues to be AI-related hiring. At the end of 2025, 55% of Dice job postings required AI-related skills, up from 28% a year earlier. Dice differentiates itself through its deep AI skills taxonomy, which covers more than 360 distinct AI-related skills. Rather than treating AI as a single generic category, Dice enables employers to identify and match candidates based on specific, validated skill sets, an increasingly critical capability as AI roles become more specialized... We believe this depth of skill intelligence positions Dice as a differentiated platform for AI talent over the long term. Looking ahead, we expect ClearanceJobs to deliver continued growth driven by defense spending, improved execution, and our expanded offerings.
Art Zeile: A key long-term demand driver across Dice and the broader tech labor market continues to be AI-related hiring. At the end of 2025, 55% of Dice job postings required AI-related skills, up from 28% a year earlier. Dice differentiates itself through its deep AI skills taxonomy, which covers more than 360 distinct AI-related skills. Rather than treating AI as a single generic category, Dice enables employers to identify and match candidates based on specific, validated skill sets, an increasingly critical capability as AI roles become more specialized...
Speaker #3: Dice differentiates itself through its skills, up from deep AI skills taxonomy, which covers more than 360 distinct AI-related skills. enables employers to identify and match generic category, Dice candidates based on specific, validated skill sets.
Speaker #3: Rather than treating AI as a single increasingly critical capability as AI roles become more specialized. We believe this depth of skill intelligence positions Dice as a differentiated platform for AI talent over the long term.
Art Zeile: We believe this depth of skill intelligence positions Dice as a differentiated platform for AI talent over the long term. Looking ahead, we expect ClearanceJobs to deliver continued growth driven by defense spending, improved execution, and our expanded offerings.
Speaker #3: Looking ahead, we expect Clarence Jobs to deliver continued growth driven by defense spending, improved execution, and our expanded offerings. Clarence Jobs operates in a market at the intersection of defense, security, and a specialized high-barrier technology.
Art Zeile: ClearanceJobs operates in a specialized, high-barrier market at the intersection of defense, security, and technology, with significant upside from defense budget growth and NATO spending. For Dice, while we believe it is increasingly becoming the go-to destination for AI talent acquisition, we expect it to continue to be challenged until the commercial tech hiring market returns to growth. Having said that, our subscription model and margin structure give us resilience and allows us to deliver significant free cash flow. We are confident in our ability to deliver strong free cash flow going forward and continue to believe the market doesn't fully reflect the value of each of our distinct brands today, which is why our board authorized a new $10 million buyback program starting this month.
Art Zeile: ClearanceJobs operates in a specialized, high-barrier market at the intersection of defense, security, and technology, with significant upside from defense budget growth and NATO spending. For Dice, while we believe it is increasingly becoming the go-to destination for AI talent acquisition, we expect it to continue to be challenged until the commercial tech hiring market returns to growth.
Speaker #3: With significant upside from defense budget growth and NATO spending. For Dice, while we believe it is increasingly becoming the go-to destination for AI talent acquisition, we expect it to continue to be challenged until the commercial tech hiring market returns to growth.
Speaker #3: Having said that, our subscription model and margin structure give us resilience and allows us to deliver significant free cash flow. We are confident in our ability to deliver strong free cash flow going forward and continue to believe the market doesn't fully reflect the value of each of our distinct brands today.
Art Zeile: Having said that, our subscription model and margin structure give us resilience and allows us to deliver significant free cash flow. We are confident in our ability to deliver strong free cash flow going forward and continue to believe the market doesn't fully reflect the value of each of our distinct brands today, which is why our board authorized a new $10 million buyback program starting this month.
Speaker #3: Which is why our board authorized a new $10 million buyback program starting this month. Over time, as we execute, grow our customer base, and deliver solid profits and robust free cash flow, we see a clear path to continued meaningful shareholder value creation.
Art Zeile: Over time, as we execute, grow our customer base, and deliver solid profits and robust free cash flow, we see a clear path to continued meaningful shareholder value creation. With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg to walk you through the financial results and our guidance in more detail. Greg?
Art Zeile: Over time, as we execute, grow our customer base, and deliver solid profits and robust free cash flow, we see a clear path to continued meaningful shareholder value creation. With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg to walk you through the financial results and our guidance in more detail. Greg?
Speaker #3: With that, I'll turn the call over to Greg to walk you through the financial results and our guidance in more detail. Greg?
Speaker #2: Thank you, Art. Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Jumping right in, we reported total revenue of $32.4 million, which was down 10% on a year-over-year basis and roughly flat compared to the third quarter.
Greg Schippers: Thank you, Art, and good afternoon, everyone. Jumping right in, we reported total revenue of $32.4 million for Q4, which was down 10% on a year-over-year basis and roughly flat compared to Q3. Total bookings for the quarter were $31.2 million, down 5% year-over-year. Our total recurring revenue was down 12% compared to the prior year, and the bookings that drive our recurring revenue were down 6% for the quarter. ClearanceJobs revenue was $13.9 million, up 1% year-over-year and flat sequentially. Bookings for CJ were $14.6 million, up 3% year-over-year.
Greg Schippers: Thank you, Art, and good afternoon, everyone. Jumping right in, we reported total revenue of $32.4 million for Q4, which was down 10% on a year-over-year basis and roughly flat compared to Q3. Total bookings for the quarter were $31.2 million, down 5% year-over-year. Our total recurring revenue was down 12% compared to the prior year, and the bookings that drive our recurring revenue were down 6% for the quarter. ClearanceJobs revenue was $13.9 million, up 1% year-over-year and flat sequentially. Bookings for CJ were $14.6 million, up 3% year-over-year.
Speaker #2: $31.2 million, down 5% year-over-year. Our total recurring revenue was down 12% compared to the prior year. Total bookings for the quarter were, and the bookings that drive our recurring revenue were, down 6% for the quarter.
Speaker #2: Clarence Jobs revenue was $13.9 million, up 1% year-over-year and flat sequentially. Bookings for CJ were $14.6 million, up 3% year-over-year. We ended the fourth quarter with $1,775 CJ recruitment package customers, which was down 9% on a year-over-year basis and down 3% on a sequential basis.
Greg Schippers: We ended the fourth quarter with 1,775 CJ Recruitment Package customers, which was down 9% on a year-over-year basis and down 3% on a sequential basis. This reduction continues to be attributable to churn, with customers spending less than $15,000 in annual recurring revenue. CJ account spending greater than $15,000 in annual recurring revenue increased by approximately 60 accounts versus the prior year and includes approximately 25 accounts that upgraded from a lower tier. Our average annual revenue per CJ Recruitment Package customer was up 8% year-over-year and up 2% sequentially to $27,246. Approximately 90% of CJ revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. For the quarter, CJ's revenue renewal rate was 90%, and CJ's retention rate was 109%.
Greg Schippers: We ended the fourth quarter with 1,775 CJ Recruitment Package customers, which was down 9% on a year-over-year basis and down 3% on a sequential basis. This reduction continues to be attributable to churn, with customers spending less than $15,000 in annual recurring revenue. CJ account spending greater than $15,000 in annual recurring revenue increased by approximately 60 accounts versus the prior year and includes approximately 25 accounts that upgraded from a lower tier.
Speaker #2: This reduction continues to be attributable to churn with $15,000 in annual recurring customers spending less than revenue. CJ accounts spending greater than $15,000 in annual recurring revenue increased by approximately 60 accounts versus the prior year, and includes approximately 25 accounts that upgraded from a Our average annual revenue for CJ lower tier.
Greg Schippers: Our average annual revenue per CJ Recruitment Package customer was up 8% year-over-year and up 2% sequentially to $27,246. Approximately 90% of CJ revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. For the quarter, CJ's revenue renewal rate was 90%, and CJ's retention rate was 109%.
Speaker #2: Recruitment package customer was up $27,246. Approximately 90% of CJ revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multi-year contracts, and was up 2% sequentially.
Speaker #2: For the quarter, CJ's revenue renewal rate was 90%, and CJ's retention rate was 109%. These solid rates demonstrate the continued value CJ delivers in recruitment of cleared professionals.
Greg Schippers: These solid rates demonstrate the continued value CJ delivers in recruitment of cleared professionals. Dice revenue was $17.4 million, which was down 17% year-over-year and down 4% sequentially. Dice bookings were $16.6 million, down 11% year-over-year. We ended the fourth quarter with 4,132 Dice Recruitment Package customers, which is down 3% from last quarter and down 12% year-over-year. Dice revenue renewal rate was 78% for the quarter, and its retention rate was 94%. The reduction in customer count from the prior year quarter continues to be attributable to churn, with smaller customers spending less than $15,000 per year, which represent approximately 75% of the total churn on count and who are more likely to be impacted by the difficult macro environment and uncertainty.
Greg Schippers: These solid rates demonstrate the continued value CJ delivers in recruitment of cleared professionals. Dice revenue was $17.4 million, which was down 17% year-over-year and down 4% sequentially. Dice bookings were $16.6 million, down 11% year-over-year. We ended the fourth quarter with 4,132 Dice Recruitment Package customers, which is down 3% from last quarter and down 12% year-over-year.
Speaker #2: Dice revenue was $17.4 million, which was down 17% year-over-year and down 4% sequentially. Dice bookings were $16.6 million, down 11% year-over-year. We ended the fourth quarter with $4,132 Dice recruitment package customers, which is down 3% from last quarter and down 12% year-over-year.
Speaker #2: Dice revenue renewal rate was 78% for the quarter, and its retention rate was 94%. The reduction in customer count from the prior year quarter continues to be attributable to churn with smaller customers spending less than $15,000 per year which represent approximately 75% of the total churn on count and who are more likely to be impacted by the difficult macro environment and uncertainty.
Greg Schippers: Dice revenue renewal rate was 78% for the quarter, and its retention rate was 94%. The reduction in customer count from the prior year quarter continues to be attributable to churn, with smaller customers spending less than $15,000 per year, which represent approximately 75% of the total churn on count and who are more likely to be impacted by the difficult macro environment and uncertainty.
Speaker #2: We believe the introduction of our new Dice flexibility of monthly subscriptions, will help reduce future churn among smaller accounts by lowering upfront commitment and improving affordability.
Greg Schippers: We believe the introduction of our new Dice platform, which offers customers the flexibility of monthly subscriptions, will help reduce future churn among smaller accounts by lowering upfront commitment and improving affordability. Our average annual revenue per Dice Recruitment Package customer was $15,635, down 5% year-over-year and down 1% sequentially. Approximately 90% of Dice revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. Both brands continued to onboard notable new clients. In Q4, ClearanceJobs secured annual contracts with ServiceNow, Forward Edge AI, and Pennsylvania State University, while Dice landed Ameriprise Financial, Atlas Copco Group, and the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, demonstrating that employers outside the traditional tech industry are using our platforms to hire talent to fulfill their tech development needs. Now, let's move to operating expenses.
Greg Schippers: We believe the introduction of our new Dice platform, which offers customers the flexibility of monthly subscriptions, will help reduce future churn among smaller accounts by lowering upfront commitment and improving affordability. Our average annual revenue per Dice Recruitment Package customer was $15,635, down 5% year-over-year and down 1% sequentially.
Speaker #2: Our average annual revenue per Dice recruitment package customer was $15,635, down 5% year-over-year and down 1% sequentially. Approximately 90% of Dice revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multi-year contracts.
Greg Schippers: Approximately 90% of Dice revenue is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. Both brands continued to onboard notable new clients. In Q4, ClearanceJobs secured annual contracts with ServiceNow, Forward Edge AI, and Pennsylvania State University, while Dice landed Ameriprise Financial, Atlas Copco Group, and the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, demonstrating that employers outside the traditional tech industry are using our platforms to hire talent to fulfill their tech development needs. Now, let's move to operating expenses.
Speaker #2: Both brands continue to onboard notable new clients. In the fourth quarter, Clarence Jobs secured annual contracts with ServiceNow, Forward Edge AI, and Pennsylvania State University.
Speaker #2: While Dice landed Ameriprise Financial, Atlas Copco Group, and the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, demonstrating that employers outside the traditional tech industry are using our platforms to hire talent to fulfill their tech development needs.
Speaker #2: Now, let's move to operating expenses. For the fourth quarter, our operating expenses decreased 5.3 million to $27.7 million, when compared to $33.1 million in the year-ago quarter, and includes a $1.4 million impairment of a right-of-use asset, as we intend to sublease our New York City office space.
Greg Schippers: For the fourth quarter, our operating expenses decreased $5.3 million to $27.7 million when compared to $33.1 million in the year-ago quarter and includes a $1.4 million impairment of a right-of-use asset, as we intend to sublease our New York City office space. Excluding the impairment, our fourth quarter operating expenses declined $6.7 million, or 20%. Improvements to our operating efficiency, including the Dice Employer Experience platform, along with adjusting the business for the difficult market environment over the past few years, we've reduced our annual operating expenses and capitalized development costs by approximately $35 million. For the quarter, we had income tax expense of $800,000 on income before taxes of $2.2 million.
Greg Schippers: For the fourth quarter, our operating expenses decreased $5.3 million to $27.7 million when compared to $33.1 million in the year-ago quarter and includes a $1.4 million impairment of a right-of-use asset, as we intend to sublease our New York City office space. Excluding the impairment, our fourth quarter operating expenses declined $6.7 million, or 20%.
Speaker #2: Excluding the impairment, our fourth quarter operating expenses declined 6.7 million or 20%. Improvements to our operating efficiency, including the Dice employer experience platform, along with adjusting the business for the difficult market environment over the past few years, we've reduced our annual operating expenses and capitalized development costs by approximately $35 million.
Greg Schippers: Improvements to our operating efficiency, including the Dice Employer Experience platform, along with adjusting the business for the difficult market environment over the past few years, we've reduced our annual operating expenses and capitalized development costs by approximately $35 million. For the quarter, we had income tax expense of $800,000 on income before taxes of $2.2 million.
Speaker #2: For the quarter, we had income tax expense of $800,000 on income before taxes of $2.2 million. Our tax rate for the quarter differed from our approximate statutory rate of impairment.
Greg Schippers: Our tax rate for the quarter differed from our approximate statutory rate of 25% due to a nondeductible impairment. Tax law changes, which allowed for the immediate deduction of R&D costs, helped reduce our 2025 income tax payments by $3.1 million as compared to 2024, and will favorably affect our 2026 cash outlay for income taxes. Moving on to the bottom line, we recorded net income of $1.3 million, or $0.03 per diluted share in Q4. For the prior year quarter, we reported net income of $1 million, or $0.02 per diluted share. Net income for the quarter was impacted by the previously mentioned $1.4 million dollar impairment and a $900,000 dollar impairment of an investment.
Greg Schippers: Our tax rate for the quarter differed from our approximate statutory rate of 25% due to a nondeductible impairment. Tax law changes, which allowed for the immediate deduction of R&D costs, helped reduce our 2025 income tax payments by $3.1 million as compared to 2024, and will favorably affect our 2026 cash outlay for income taxes. Moving on to the bottom line, we recorded net income of $1.3 million, or $0.03 per diluted share in Q4.
Speaker #2: Tax law 25% due to a non-deductible changes, which allowed for the immediate deduction of R&D costs, helped reduce our 2025 income tax payments by 3.1 million as compared to 2024, and will favorably affect our 2026 cash outlay for income taxes.
Speaker #2: Moving on to the bottom line, we recorded net income of $1.3 million or 3 cents per diluted share in the fourth quarter. For the prior year quarter, we reported net income of $1 million or 2 cents per diluted share.
Greg Schippers: For the prior year quarter, we reported net income of $1 million, or $0.02 per diluted share. Net income for the quarter was impacted by the previously mentioned $1.4 million dollar impairment and a $900,000 dollar impairment of an investment.
Speaker #2: Net income for mentioned $1.4 million impairment and a $900,000 impairment of an investment. Non-GAAP earnings per share for the quarter was $0.09 per share compared to $0.07 per share for the prior year quarter.
Greg Schippers: Non-GAAP earnings per share for the quarter was $0.09 per share, compared to $0.07 per share for the prior year quarter. Diluted shares outstanding for the quarter were 44.6 million shares, down 1.3 million shares or 3% from the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $9.4 million, a margin of 30%, compared to $9.2 million or a margin of 26% in the fourth quarter a year ago. On a segmented basis, CJ adjusted EBITDA remained strong at $6 million in the fourth quarter, representing a 43% adjusted EBITDA margin, as compared to adjusted EBITDA of $6.4 million or a margin of 47% in the prior year period.
Greg Schippers: Non-GAAP earnings per share for the quarter was $0.09 per share, compared to $0.07 per share for the prior year quarter. Diluted shares outstanding for the quarter were 44.6 million shares, down 1.3 million shares or 3% from the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $9.4 million, a margin of 30%, compared to $9.2 million or a margin of 26% in the fourth quarter a year ago. On a segmented basis, CJ adjusted EBITDA remained strong at $6 million in the fourth quarter, representing a 43% adjusted EBITDA margin, as compared to adjusted EBITDA of $6.4 million or a margin of 47% in the prior year period.
Speaker #2: Diluted shares outstanding for the quarter were $44.6 million shares, down 1.3 million shares or 3% from the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter was $9.4 million, a margin of 30% compared to $9.2 million or a margin of 26% in the fourth quarter a year ago.
Speaker #2: On a segmented basis, CJ adjusted EBITDA remained strong at $6 million in the fourth quarter, representing a 43% adjusted EBITDA margin, as compared to adjusted EBITDA of $6.4 million, or a margin of 47%, in the prior year period.
Speaker #2: Dice's adjusted EBITDA increased to $5.2 million representing a 30% adjusted EBITDA margin, compared to $4.3 million and a 20% margin last year. Operating cash flow for the million, compared to fourth quarter was $7.2 $4.4 million in the prior year period.
Greg Schippers: Dice's Adjusted EBITDA increased to $5.2 million, representing a 30% Adjusted EBITDA margin, compared to $4.3 million and a 20% margin last year. Operating Cash Flow for the fourth quarter was $7.2 million, compared to $4.4 million in the prior year period. Free Cash Flow, which is operating cash flows less Capital Expenditures, was $5.7 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $1.6 million in the fourth quarter of last year. Our Capital Expenditures, which consist primarily of capitalized development costs, were $1.4 million in the fourth quarter, compared to $2.7 million in the fourth quarter last year, a savings of $1.3 million or 47%.
Greg Schippers: Dice's Adjusted EBITDA increased to $5.2 million, representing a 30% Adjusted EBITDA margin, compared to $4.3 million and a 20% margin last year. Operating Cash Flow for the fourth quarter was $7.2 million, compared to $4.4 million in the prior year period. Free Cash Flow, which is operating cash flows less Capital Expenditures, was $5.7 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $1.6 million in the fourth quarter of last year. Our Capital Expenditures, which consist primarily of capitalized development costs, were $1.4 million in the fourth quarter, compared to $2.7 million in the fourth quarter last year, a savings of $1.3 million or 47%.
Speaker #2: Free cash flow, which is operating cash flows less capital expenditures, was $5.7 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $1.6 million in the fourth quarter of last year.
Speaker #2: Our capital expenditures which consist primarily of capitalized development costs were $1.4 million in the fourth quarter, compared to $2.7 million in the fourth quarter last year, a savings of $1.3 million or 47%.
Speaker #2: Capitalized development costs in the fourth quarter of 2025 for CJ were $454,000, compared to $524,000 in the 2024 period, while capitalized development costs for Dice were $1 million this quarter, as compared to $1.6 million in the 2024 period.
Greg Schippers: Capitalized development costs in Q4 2025 for CJ were $454,000, compared to $524,000 in the 2024 period, while capitalized development costs for Dice were $1 million this quarter, as compared to $1.6 million in the 2024 period. We are targeting total capital expenditures in 2026 to range between $6 and 7 million, as compared to $7.3 million last year. For the full year, we generated $13.8 million of free cash flow, compared to $7.1 million last year.
Greg Schippers: Capitalized development costs in Q4 2025 for CJ were $454,000, compared to $524,000 in the 2024 period, while capitalized development costs for Dice were $1 million this quarter, as compared to $1.6 million in the 2024 period. We are targeting total capital expenditures in 2026 to range between $6 and 7 million, as compared to $7.3 million last year. For the full year, we generated $13.8 million of free cash flow, compared to $7.1 million last year.
Speaker #2: We are targeting total capital expenditures in 2026 to range between $6 and $7 million, as compared to $7.3 million last year. For the full year, we generated $13.8 million of free cash flow, compared to $7.1 million last year.
Speaker #2: From a liquidity perspective, at the end of the quarter, we had $2.9 million in cash, and our total debt was $30 million under our $100 million revolver.
Greg Schippers: From a liquidity perspective, at the end of the quarter, we had $2.9 million in cash, and our total debt was $30 million under our $100 million dollar revolver, resulting in leverage at 0.85 times our Adjusted EBITDA. We continue to target 1 times leverage for the business. Deferred revenue at the end of the quarter was $39.9 million, down 12% from Q4 of last year. Our total committed contract backlog at the end of the quarter was $99.6 million, which was down 5% from the end of Q4 last year. Short-term backlog was $76.1 million at the end of Q4, a decrease of $2.6 million or 3% year-over-year.
Greg Schippers: From a liquidity perspective, at the end of the quarter, we had $2.9 million in cash, and our total debt was $30 million under our $100 million dollar revolver, resulting in leverage at 0.85 times our Adjusted EBITDA. We continue to target 1 times leverage for the business. Deferred revenue at the end of the quarter was $39.9 million, down 12% from Q4 of last year. Our total committed contract backlog at the end of the quarter was $99.6 million, which was down 5% from the end of Q4 last year. Short-term backlog was $76.1 million at the end of Q4, a decrease of $2.6 million or 3% year-over-year.
Speaker #2: Resulting in leverage at 0.85 times our adjusted EBITDA. We continue to target one-times leverage for the business. Deferred revenue at the end of the quarter was $39.9 million, down 12% from the fourth quarter of last year.
Speaker #2: Our total committed contract backlog at the end of the quarter was $99.6 million, which was down 5% for the end of the fourth quarter last year.
Speaker #2: Short-term backlog was $76.1 million, at the end of the fourth quarter, a decrease of 2.6 million or 3% year over year. Long-term backlog, that is revenue to be recognized in 13 or more months, was $23.5 million, at the end of the quarter, a decrease of 2.6 million or 10% from the prior year quarter.
Greg Schippers: Long-term backlog, that is revenue to be recognized in 13 or more months, was $23.5 million at the end of the quarter, a decrease of $2.6 million or 10% from the prior year quarter. During the quarter, we repurchased 2.9 million shares for $5.2 million under our stock repurchase program. For the year, we've repurchased a total of 5.5 million shares for $11.4 million, and over the past three years, we've repurchased 9.1 million shares for $26.5 million, all under our stock repurchase programs and from the vesting of share-based awards.
Greg Schippers: Long-term backlog, that is revenue to be recognized in 13 or more months, was $23.5 million at the end of the quarter, a decrease of $2.6 million or 10% from the prior year quarter. During the quarter, we repurchased 2.9 million shares for $5.2 million under our stock repurchase program. For the year, we've repurchased a total of 5.5 million shares for $11.4 million, and over the past three years, we've repurchased 9.1 million shares for $26.5 million, all under our stock repurchase programs and from the vesting of share-based awards.
Speaker #2: During the quarter, we repurchased 2.9 million shares for $5.2 million under our stock repurchase program. For the year, we've repurchased a total of 5.5 million shares for $11.4 million, and over the past three years, we've repurchased 9.1 million shares for $26.5 million, all under our stock repurchase programs and from the vesting of share-based awards.
Speaker #2: Following the close of the fourth quarter, we completed the $5 million plan authorized in November 2025, and last week, our board approved a new $10 million stock repurchase program, which will begin this month and will run through February of 2027.
Greg Schippers: Following the close of the fourth quarter, we completed the $5 million plan authorized in November 2025, and last week, our board approved a new $10 million stock repurchase program, which will begin this month and will run through February 2027. Moving on to guidance. We expect ClearanceJobs bookings to grow in 2026. However, we do not anticipate Dice bookings growth resuming until tech hiring improves. As a result, we expect DHI revenue of $118 to 122 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $28 to 30 million. For CJ, we expect revenue of $56 to 58 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $13 to 14 million.
Greg Schippers: Following the close of the fourth quarter, we completed the $5 million plan authorized in November 2025, and last week, our board approved a new $10 million stock repurchase program, which will begin this month and will run through February 2027. Moving on to guidance. We expect ClearanceJobs bookings to grow in 2026. However, we do not anticipate Dice bookings growth resuming until tech hiring improves.
Speaker #2: Moving on to guidance, we expect clearance jobs bookings to grow in 2026. However, we do not anticipate Dice bookings growth resuming until tech hiring improves.
Speaker #2: As a result, we expect DHI revenue of $118 to $122 million for the full year, and for the first quarter, we expect revenue of $28 million to $30 million.
Greg Schippers: As a result, we expect DHI revenue of $118 to 122 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $28 to 30 million. For CJ, we expect revenue of $56 to 58 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $13 to 14 million.
Speaker #2: For CJ, we expect revenue of $56 to $58 million, for the full year, and for the first quarter, we expect revenue of $13 to $14 million.
Speaker #2: At Dice, we expect revenue of $62 to $64 million for the full year, and for the first quarter, we expect revenue of $15 to $16 million.
Greg Schippers: At Dice, we expect revenue of $62 to 64 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $15 to 16 million. We expect the CJ bookings miss that occurred in Q3 of 2025 to cause a small sequential and year-over-year revenue decline for CJ in Q1, but returning to growth in Q2 of 2026. From a profitability standpoint, we are targeting a full year Adjusted EBITDA margin for DHI of 25% and margins of 40% for CJ and 22% for Dice. The lower year-over-year margins are driven by bookings challenges in 2025 related to the continued soft tech hiring environment and uncertainty surrounding government defense spending. These bookings challenges in 2025 drive the lower revenue in 2026.
Greg Schippers: At Dice, we expect revenue of $62 to 64 million for the full year, and for Q1, we expect revenue of $15 to 16 million. We expect the CJ bookings miss that occurred in Q3 of 2025 to cause a small sequential and year-over-year revenue decline for CJ in Q1, but returning to growth in Q2 of 2026. From a profitability standpoint, we are targeting a full year Adjusted EBITDA margin for DHI of 25% and margins of 40% for CJ and 22% for Dice.
Speaker #2: We expect the CJ bookings miss that occurred in the third quarter of 2025 to cause a small sequential and year-over-year revenue decline for CJ in the first quarter, but returning to growth in the second quarter of 2026.
Speaker #2: From a profitability standpoint, we are targeting a full-year adjusted EBITDA margin for DHI of 25%, and margins of 40% for CJ and 22% for Dice.
Speaker #2: The lower year-over-year margins are driven by bookings challenges in 2025 related to the continued soft tech hiring environment and uncertainty surrounding government defense spending.
Greg Schippers: The lower year-over-year margins are driven by bookings challenges in 2025 related to the continued soft tech hiring environment and uncertainty surrounding government defense spending. These bookings challenges in 2025 drive the lower revenue in 2026.
Speaker #2: These bookings challenges in 2025 drive the lower revenue in 2026. Our focus remains on delivering long-term, sustainable, and profitable revenue growth, leading to strong free cash flow generation averaging at or above 10% of revenues.
Greg Schippers: Our focus remains on delivering long-term, sustainable, and profitable revenue growth, leads to strong free cash flow generation, averaging at or above 10% of revenues. To wrap up, although the hiring environment over the past 2+ years has impacted our revenue growth, we remain optimistic about the road ahead. We anticipate the record-breaking defense budget will be a growth driver for CJ, and that companies across all industries will steadily increase their investments in technology initiatives, creating a strong growth opportunity for both ClearanceJobs and Dice. We remain focused on strengthening our industry-leading solutions, optimizing our go-to-market strategy, and executing with efficiency, ensuring we are well positioned to capitalize on the opportunities that lie ahead. And with that, let me turn the call back to Art.
Greg Schippers: Our focus remains on delivering long-term, sustainable, and profitable revenue growth, leads to strong free cash flow generation, averaging at or above 10% of revenues. To wrap up, although the hiring environment over the past 2+ years has impacted our revenue growth, we remain optimistic about the road ahead.
Speaker #2: To wrap up, although the hiring environment over the past two-plus years has impacted our revenue growth, we remain optimistic about the road ahead. We anticipate the record-breaking defense budget will be a growth driver for CJ and that companies across all industries will steadily increase their investments in technology initiatives, creating a strong growth opportunity for both clearance jobs and Dice.
Greg Schippers: We anticipate the record-breaking defense budget will be a growth driver for CJ, and that companies across all industries will steadily increase their investments in technology initiatives, creating a strong growth opportunity for both ClearanceJobs and Dice.
Speaker #2: We remain focused on strengthening our industry-leading solutions, optimizing our go-to-market strategy, and executing with efficiency, ensuring we are well positioned to capitalize on the opportunities that lie ahead.
Greg Schippers: We remain focused on strengthening our industry-leading solutions, optimizing our go-to-market strategy, and executing with efficiency, ensuring we are well positioned to capitalize on the opportunities that lie ahead. And with that, let me turn the call back to Art.
Speaker #2: And with that, let me turn the call back to Art. Thanks, Greg. I want to thank all of our employees once again for their outstanding work this quarter.
Art Zeile: Thanks, Greg. I want to thank all of our employees once again for their outstanding work this quarter. It is a pleasure to be part of such a great team. That said, we are happy to answer your questions.
Art Zeile: Thanks, Greg. I want to thank all of our employees once again for their outstanding work this quarter. It is a pleasure to be part of such a great team. That said, we are happy to answer your questions.
Speaker #2: It is a pleasure to be part of such a great team. That said, we are happy to answer your questions.
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Speaker #3: ahead. Hi, good afternoon.
Zach Cummins: Hi, good afternoon, Art and Greg. Congrats on the solid results here in Q4, and nice to see ClearanceJobs moving towards sustained growth here in 2026. Just starting with ClearanceJobs. Yeah, I'm curious on your assumptions around just the bookings trajectory in business. Obviously, potentially a lot of tailwinds with the strong defense spending environment that we're seeing going into next year. So just curious of your assumptions that you're making on the bookings front with your initial guidance for ClearanceJobs in 2026.
Zach Cummins: Hi, good afternoon, Art and Greg. Congrats on the solid results here in Q4, and nice to see ClearanceJobs moving towards sustained growth here in 2026. Just starting with ClearanceJobs. Yeah, I'm curious on your assumptions around just the bookings trajectory in business. Obviously, potentially a lot of tailwinds with the strong defense spending environment that we're seeing going into next year. So just curious of your assumptions that you're making on the bookings front with your initial guidance for ClearanceJobs in 2026.
Speaker #4: Art and Greg, congrats on the solid results here in Q4, and nice to see ClearanceJobs moving towards sustained growth here in 2026. Just starting with ClearanceJobs—yeah, I'm curious on your assumptions around just the bookings trajectory in the business.
Speaker #4: Obviously, potentially a lot of tailwinds with the strong defense spending environment that we're seeing going into next year. So just curious of your assumptions that you're making on the bookings front with your initial guidance for clearance jobs in 2026.
Speaker #2: Well, first and foremost, Zach, that's a great question. I will tell you that we think that part of the results of last year was due to sales execution and leadership.
Art Zeile: Well, first and foremost, Zach, that's a great question. I will tell you that we think that part of the results of last year was due to sales execution and leadership, and we do have a new leader coming on board. We did have our president, who's the previous VP of sales for CJ, drop into the role in late October, and he made an immediate difference. And you can see that obviously swinging from -7% year-over-year bookings for Q3 to +3% in Q4. I would say we do foundationally believe that the new defense budget that was just passed yesterday is gonna be a tailwind for CJ.
Art Zeile: Well, first and foremost, Zach, that's a great question. I will tell you that we think that part of the results of last year was due to sales execution and leadership, and we do have a new leader coming on board. We did have our president, who's the previous VP of sales for CJ, drop into the role in late October, and he made an immediate difference. And you can see that obviously swinging from -7% year-over-year bookings for Q3 to +3% in Q4. I would say we do foundationally believe that the new defense budget that was just passed yesterday is gonna be a tailwind for CJ.
Speaker #2: And we do have a new leader coming on board. We did have our president, who's the previous VP of Sales for CJ, drop into the role in late October, and he made an immediate difference.
Speaker #2: And you can see that, obviously, swinging from negative 7% year-over-year bookings for Q3 to plus 3% in Q4. I would say we do foundationally believe that the new defense budget that was just passed yesterday is going to be a tailwind for CJ.
Speaker #2: We could see visibly the larger customers in Q4, despite having the States, feel very confident in their position and renew at elevated rates. So we think that that's going to be more pervasive in kind of the community as we move forward into 2026, especially in the aftermath of that defense budget being passed and then obviously put into law by President Trump.
Art Zeile: We could see visibly the larger customers in Q4, despite having the largest government shutdown in the history of the United States, feel very confident in their position and renew at elevated rates. So we think that that's gonna be more pervasive in kind of the community as we move forward into 2026, especially in the aftermath of that defense budget being passed and, and then obviously put into law by President Trump.
Art Zeile: We could see visibly the larger customers in Q4, despite having the largest government shutdown in the history of the United States, feel very confident in their position and renew at elevated rates. So we think that that's gonna be more pervasive in kind of the community as we move forward into 2026, especially in the aftermath of that defense budget being passed and, and then obviously put into law by President Trump.
Speaker #4: Understood. And then just shifting over to Dice, obviously, nice to see some green shoots with the overall staffing side of it potentially returning to growth this year, but as the mix of overall AI-related job postings continues to grow on your platform, I mean, how are you thinking about just the overall value for Dice and potentially even kind of outperforming a potential inflection in the broader commercial environment, inflection that we're hoping to see
Zach Cummins: Understood. And then just shifting over to Dice. Obviously, nice to see some green shoots with the overall staffing side of it potentially returning to growth this year. But as the mix of overall AI-related job postings continues to grow on your platform, I mean, how are you thinking about just the overall value for Dice and potentially even kind of outperforming a potential inflection in the broader commercial environment inflection that we're hoping to see there?
Zach Cummins: Understood. And then just shifting over to Dice. Obviously, nice to see some green shoots with the overall staffing side of it potentially returning to growth this year. But as the mix of overall AI-related job postings continues to grow on your platform, I mean, how are you thinking about just the overall value for Dice and potentially even kind of outperforming a potential inflection in the broader commercial environment inflection that we're hoping to see there?
Speaker #4: there? That's a great question.
Art Zeile: That's a great question, and a question that is asked by just about everyone, including our board last week at our quarterly board meeting. I can tell you that there's obviously a mix of opinions, a range of opinions as to how AI affects the coding community, programmers in the United States. I can tell you that we believe that this is the year that that's gonna become very visible. We do see signs that there is this one particular philosophy that if you become more efficient in anything that is generated, there is higher demand for it.
Art Zeile: That's a great question, and a question that is asked by just about everyone, including our board last week at our quarterly board meeting. I can tell you that there's obviously a mix of opinions, a range of opinions as to how AI affects the coding community, programmers in the United States. I can tell you that we believe that this is the year that that's gonna become very visible. We do see signs that there is this one particular philosophy that if you become more efficient in anything that is generated, there is higher demand for it.
Speaker #2: The question that is asked by just about everyone, including our board last week at our quarterly board meeting. I can tell you that there's obviously a mix of opinions, or a range of opinions, as to how AI affects the coding community—programmers in the United States.
Speaker #2: I can tell you that we believe that this is the year that that's going to become very visible. We do see signs that there is this one particular philosophy that if you become more efficient in anything that is generated, there is higher demand for it.
Speaker #2: And we think that that is evidenced by the discussions that are being happened by Marc Andreessen and Sam Altman saying, "No, we think that there's going to be kind of a mini explosion of demand for AI." Now, that has played out in terms of the demand for AI professionals on the Dice site, but I think that commercial activity in general is still subdued and there's kind of a wait-and-see approach.
Art Zeile: We think that that is evidenced by the discussions that are being happened by, like, Marc Andreessen and Sam Altman saying, "No, we think that there's gonna be kind of a mini explosion of demand for AI." Now, that has played out in terms of the demand for AI professionals on the Dice site, but I think that, you know, commercial activity in general is still subdued, and there's kind of a wait and see approach. But I think this is the year that we figure out whether or not AI really is a substitute for, you know, development capacity and for the community at large and tech professionals. But we're seeing signs that there is high demand. There's no question about that.
Art Zeile: We think that that is evidenced by the discussions that are being happened by, like, Marc Andreessen and Sam Altman saying, "No, we think that there's gonna be kind of a mini explosion of demand for AI." Now, that has played out in terms of the demand for AI professionals on the Dice site, but I think that, you know, commercial activity in general is still subdued, and there's kind of a wait and see approach.
Speaker #2: But I think this is the year that we figure out whether or not AI really is a substitute for development capacity and for the community at large and tech professionals.
Art Zeile: But I think this is the year that we figure out whether or not AI really is a substitute for, you know, development capacity and for the community at large and tech professionals. But we're seeing signs that there is high demand. There's no question about that.
Speaker #2: But we're seeing signs that there is high demand. There's no question about it.
Speaker #2: that. Understood.
Zach Cummins: Understood. And then, just final question on the margin front, for Dice. Is it really just the factors of kind of a lower revenue base that's causing the margins to compress here? Or are there any incremental investments that you're planning on in 2026 for Dice?
Zach Cummins: Understood. And then, just final question on the margin front, for Dice. Is it really just the factors of kind of a lower revenue base that's causing the margins to compress here? Or are there any incremental investments that you're planning on in 2026 for Dice?
Speaker #4: And then just final question on the margin front for Dice. Is it really just the factors of kind of a lower revenue base that's causing the margins to compress here?
Speaker #4: Or are there any incremental investments that you're planning on in 2026 for
Speaker #4: Dice? Yeah,
Greg Schippers: ... Yeah, so Zach, this is Greg. Yeah, the compression on margin is purely related to the revenue. Well, in the end, it's the bookings challenges and then that flowing through to revenue in 2026. So, you know, we're targeting lower OpEx in 2026 versus 2025, but it just doesn't quite keep up with the decline in revenue. And as it relates to investments in Dice, you know, we do continue to invest in Dice. I think as Art commented, you know, the platform is much more efficient now. We can do a lot more development and a lot more enhancements faster with fewer people, and so we took those folks out last year.
Greg Schippers: ... Yeah, so Zach, this is Greg. Yeah, the compression on margin is purely related to the revenue. Well, in the end, it's the bookings challenges and then that flowing through to revenue in 2026. So, you know, we're targeting lower OpEx in 2026 versus 2025, but it just doesn't quite keep up with the decline in revenue. And as it relates to investments in Dice, you know, we do continue to invest in Dice. I think as Art commented, you know, the platform is much more efficient now. We can do a lot more development and a lot more enhancements faster with fewer people, and so we took those folks out last year.
Speaker #5: So Zach, this is Greg. Yeah, the compression on margin is purely related to the revenue. Well, in the end, it's the bookings challenges and then that flowing through to revenue in 2026.
Speaker #5: So we're targeting lower OPEX in 2026 versus 2025, but it just doesn't quite keep up with the decline in revenue. And as it relates to investments in Dice, we do continue to invest in Dice I think is an art-commented the platform is much more efficient now.
Speaker #5: We can do a lot more development and a lot more enhancements faster with fewer people. And so we took those folks out last year so we intend to continue to invest but just the runoff of that bookings in 2025 is going to slow revenue in 2026.
Greg Schippers: So we intend to continue to invest, but, you know, the runoff of that bookings in 2025 is going to slow revenue in 2026 and cause margin compression in the short term.
Greg Schippers: So we intend to continue to invest, but, you know, the runoff of that bookings in 2025 is going to slow revenue in 2026 and cause margin compression in the short term.
Speaker #5: compression. In the short term.
Speaker #4: Understood. That's really helpful. Well, thanks again for
Zach Cummins: Understood. That's, that's really helpful. Well, thanks again for taking my questions and best of luck with the rest of the quarter.
Zach Cummins: Understood. That's, that's really helpful. Well, thanks again for taking my questions and best of luck with the rest of the quarter.
Speaker #4: Taking my questions, and best of luck with the rest. And cause margin.
Speaker #4: of the quarter. Thank you
Greg Schippers: Thank you so much, Zach.
Greg Schippers: Thank you so much, Zach.
Speaker #4: Thank so much, Zach. you.
Zach Cummins: Thank you.
Zach Cummins: Thank you.
Speaker #6: The next question comes from Gary Precipino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Gary Prestopino with Barrington Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #6: ahead. Good morning, everyone.
Gary Prestopino: Good morning, good afternoon, everyone.
Gary Prestopino: Good morning, good afternoon, everyone.
Speaker #7: Good afternoon, everyone. Yeah, I know. Art, could you just elaborate a little bit on the new premier subscription package that you're putting out for
Greg Schippers: Hey, Gary.
Art Zeile: Hey, Gary.
Gary Prestopino: Yeah, I know. Art, could you just elaborate a little bit on the new premier subscription package that you're putting out for CJ?
Gary Prestopino: Yeah, I know. Art, could you just elaborate a little bit on the new premier subscription package that you're putting out for CJ?
Speaker #7: CJ? Yes.
Art Zeile: Yes, I'm happy to do so. So that has been in the works for quite some time, since middle of 2025. In many respects, it has the same kind of attributes, same kind of feature set as LinkedIn premium subscription, and the LinkedIn price point is pretty substantial. It's about $60 per month. We rolled that out to a small user group at the beginning of Q4 and expanded to about 1,000 total candidates that were given the opportunity to buy this subscription. Subsequently, moving into January, we've been kind of advancing that to about 10,000 total candidates, and it has seen a take rate of about 1.5%, and it's growing, so it feels pretty good.
Art Zeile: Yes, I'm happy to do so. So that has been in the works for quite some time, since middle of 2025. In many respects, it has the same kind of attributes, same kind of feature set as LinkedIn premium subscription, and the LinkedIn price point is pretty substantial. It's about $60 per month. We rolled that out to a small user group at the beginning of Q4 and expanded to about 1,000 total candidates that were given the opportunity to buy this subscription. Subsequently, moving into January, we've been kind of advancing that to about 10,000 total candidates, and it has seen a take rate of about 1.5%, and it's growing, so it feels pretty good.
Speaker #2: I'm happy to do so. So, that has been in the works for quite some time, since the middle of 2025. In many attributes, in the same kind of respects, it has the same kind of feature set as LinkedIn, premium subscription.
Speaker #2: And the LinkedIn price point is pretty substantial. It's about $60 per month. We rolled that out to a small user group at the beginning of Q4 and expanded to about 1,000 total candidates that were given the opportunity to buy this subscription.
Speaker #2: Subsequently, moving into January, we've been kind of advancing that to about 10,000 total candidates. And it has seen a take rate of about 1.5%, and it's growing.
Speaker #2: So it feels pretty good. We also, at the same time, essentially randomized pricing. So we offered some candidates low pricing at $9.95, another set of candidates $12.99, another set of candidates $14.99, another set of candidates $19.99.
Art Zeile: We also, at the same time, essentially randomized pricing, so we offered some candidates low pricing at $9.95, another set of candidates $12.99, another set of candidates $14.99, another set of candidates $19.99. And it looks like the most promising price point is $12.99. So we are going to go out to the full set of about 1.9 million candidates and make this offer to them for a premium candidate experience or subscription by the end of Q1. We're just kind of literally rolling it out in phases week by week.
Art Zeile: We also, at the same time, essentially randomized pricing, so we offered some candidates low pricing at $9.95, another set of candidates $12.99, another set of candidates $14.99, another set of candidates $19.99. And it looks like the most promising price point is $12.99. So we are going to go out to the full set of about 1.9 million candidates and make this offer to them for a premium candidate experience or subscription by the end of Q1. We're just kind of literally rolling it out in phases week by week.
Speaker #2: And it looks like the most promising price point is $12.99. So we are going to go out to the full set of about 1.9 million candidates and make this offer to them for premium candidate experience or subscription by the end of Q1.
Speaker #2: We're just kind of literally rolling it out in phases, week by week.
Speaker #7: But could you explain what the premium subscription does? I'm a little bit fuzzy on—
Gary Prestopino: But could you explain what the premium subscription does? I'm a little bit, I guess, fuzzy on that. What is... What exactly-
Gary Prestopino: But could you explain what the premium subscription does? I'm a little bit, I guess, fuzzy on that. What is... What exactly-
Speaker #7: that. What exactly? Oh,
Art Zeile: Oh, sure.
Art Zeile: Oh, sure.
Speaker #7: Are you offering a sure.
Gary Prestopino: Are you offering the candidate?
Gary Prestopino: Are you offering the candidate?
Speaker #7: candidate? Absolutely.
Art Zeile: Absolutely. So, as one example, you can see who looked at your profile over the last week, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. What that is to a candidate is a signal that a recruiter is very interested in your profile. So you can reciprocate by going straight to that recruiter and saying, "Hey, I looked at... I know that you looked at my profile. Would you like to engage in a conversation?" You also can look at a particular job posting and get a score, 0 to 100, as to how close you match the required attributes of that particular job posting. And it will also tell you what the gap is, what you should go out and learn if you really want those kind of career opportunities in the future.
Art Zeile: Absolutely. So, as one example, you can see who looked at your profile over the last week, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. What that is to a candidate is a signal that a recruiter is very interested in your profile. So you can reciprocate by going straight to that recruiter and saying, "Hey, I looked at... I know that you looked at my profile. Would you like to engage in a conversation?"
Speaker #2: So as one example, you can see who looked at your profile over the last week, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. What that is to a candidate is a signal that a recruiter is very interested in your profile.
Speaker #2: So you can reciprocate by going straight to that recruiter and saying, "Hey, I looked at I know that you looked at my profile. Would you like to engage in a conversation?" You also can look at a particular job posting and get a score 0 to 100 as to how close you match the required attributes of that particular job posting.
Art Zeile: You also can look at a particular job posting and get a score, 0 to 100, as to how close you match the required attributes of that particular job posting. And it will also tell you what the gap is, what you should go out and learn if you really want those kind of career opportunities in the future.
Speaker #2: And it will also tell you what the gap is—what you should go out and learn if you really want those kinds of career opportunities in the future.
Art Zeile: It will also give you a boost towards those jobs that are being searched for. So if a recruiter is searching for a Java developer in Centennial, Colorado, and you have this premium candidate sub-subscription, it will boost your profile a little bit closer to the top, so that you're more visible to that recruiter. They take your profile more seriously. Those are just three of the features that are embedded in this.
Speaker #2: It will also give you a boost towards those jobs that are being searched for. So if a recruiter is searching for a job at Developer in Centennial, Colorado, and you have this premium candidate subscription, it will boost your profile a little bit closer to the top so that you're more visible to that recruiter.
Art Zeile: It will also give you a boost towards those jobs that are being searched for. So if a recruiter is searching for a Java developer in Centennial, Colorado, and you have this premium candidate sub-subscription, it will boost your profile a little bit closer to the top, so that you're more visible to that recruiter. They take your profile more seriously. Those are just three of the features that are embedded in this.
Speaker #2: They take your profile more seriously. Those are just three of the features that features and I could definitely get you a much more comprehensive summary of that, Gary.
Art Zeile: There's probably, like, 10 features, and I could definitely get you a much more comprehensive summary of that, Gary, but it really is promoting a candidate's their ability to essentially use the platform with more sophistication and have more engagement with recruiters, because it's always about the engagement with recruiters and giving them more signals as to what they need to do with their career.
Art Zeile: There's probably, like, 10 features, and I could definitely get you a much more comprehensive summary of that, Gary, but it really is promoting a candidate's their ability to essentially use the platform with more sophistication and have more engagement with recruiters, because it's always about the engagement with recruiters and giving them more signals as to what they need to do with their career.
Speaker #2: But it really is promoting a candidate's their ability to essentially use the platform with more sophistication and have more engagement with recruiters because it's always about the engagement with recruiters.
Speaker #2: And giving them more signals as to what they need to do with their career.
Speaker #7: Okay. You also mentioned besides the fact you've cut expenses, you've got new products rolling out. Did some personnel changes, particularly on the sales side or ahead of sales.
Gary Prestopino: Okay. You also mentioned, you know, besides the fact you've cut expenses, you've got new products rolling out. Did some personnel changes, particularly on the sales side or head of sales. Could you just talk a little bit about that?
Gary Prestopino: Okay. You also mentioned, you know, besides the fact you've cut expenses, you've got new products rolling out. Did some personnel changes, particularly on the sales side or head of sales. Could you just talk a little bit about that?
Speaker #7: Could you just talk a little bit about that?
Speaker #2: Yes. I will tell you that at the beginning of last year, January 2025, we essentially separated the brands and we designated presidents. Alex Schilt is the president of ClearanceJobs.
Art Zeile: Yes. I will tell you that at the beginning of last year, January 2025, we essentially separated the brands, and we designated presidents. Alex Schilt is the president of ClearanceJobs, and he used to be the VP of sales of ClearanceJobs, so he was promoted from VP of sales to president, and we had to find a replacement for him. Unfortunately, I think that we found a person that didn't really scale to the full size of the CJ sales team, which consists of about 50 people, so it's a pretty meaningful size team to manage, and we saw bookings decay, Q1, Q2, Q3. We thought that that was part of the macro environment, or at least partially due to the macro environment. But then we convinced ourselves that we really needed to find a new leader.
Art Zeile: Yes. I will tell you that at the beginning of last year, January 2025, we essentially separated the brands, and we designated presidents. Alex Schilt is the president of ClearanceJobs, and he used to be the VP of sales of ClearanceJobs, so he was promoted from VP of sales to president, and we had to find a replacement for him.
Speaker #2: And he used to be the VP of Sales of Clearance Jobs. So he was promoted from VP of Sales to president. And we had to find a replacement for him.
Art Zeile: Unfortunately, I think that we found a person that didn't really scale to the full size of the CJ sales team, which consists of about 50 people, so it's a pretty meaningful size team to manage, and we saw bookings decay, Q1, Q2, Q3. We thought that that was part of the macro environment, or at least partially due to the macro environment. But then we convinced ourselves that we really needed to find a new leader.
Speaker #2: Unfortunately, I think that we found a person that didn't really scale to the full size of the CJ sales team, which consists of about 50 people.
Speaker #2: So, it's a pretty meaningful-sized team to manage. And we saw bookings decay in Q1, Q2, and Q3. We thought that was part of the macro environment, or at least partially due to the macro environment.
Speaker #2: But then we convinced ourselves that we really needed to find a new leader at the time that we decided that in October. Alex dropped into his old role.
Art Zeile: At the time that we decided that in October, Alex dropped into his old role. He became the acting VP of sales for CJ at the same time that he was the president. And so, you know, he was doing double duty, but we saw an immediate, remarkable improvement in bookings. Like, literally, we went from negative 7% or a decline of 7% in bookings Q3 year-over-year to positive 3% in Q4. And, you know, I think that that trend will continue over the course of 2026. So we think that there is a, it does make a difference having the right person in the role.
Art Zeile: At the time that we decided that in October, Alex dropped into his old role. He became the acting VP of sales for CJ at the same time that he was the president. And so, you know, he was doing double duty, but we saw an immediate, remarkable improvement in bookings. Like, literally, we went from negative 7% or a decline of 7% in bookings Q3 year-over-year to positive 3% in Q4. And, you know, I think that that trend will continue over the course of 2026. So we think that there is a, it does make a difference having the right person in the role.
Speaker #2: He became the acting VP of Sales for CJ at the same time that he was the president, and so he was doing double duty. But we saw an immediate, remarkable improvement in bookings.
Speaker #2: Literally, we went from negative 7%, or a decline of 7%, in bookings in Q3 year-over-year to positive 3% in Q4, and I think that that trend will continue over the course of 2026.
Speaker #2: So, we think that it does make a difference having the right person in the role. We convinced ourselves of that. And we do believe that the macro environment did, to a certain degree, hold us back, but now the macro environment feels a lot different.
Art Zeile: We convinced ourselves of that, and we do believe that the macro environment did, to a certain degree, hold us back, but now the macro environment feels a lot different, a lot better, and especially in light of the defense budget that was passed into law yesterday.
Art Zeile: We convinced ourselves of that, and we do believe that the macro environment did, to a certain degree, hold us back, but now the macro environment feels a lot different, a lot better, and especially in light of the defense budget that was passed into law yesterday.
Speaker #2: A lot better and especially in light of the defense budget that was passed into law yesterday.
Speaker #7: Okay. And this individual can you think he can continue to have double responsibility as president and then head of sales too?
Gary Prestopino: Okay, and then this individual can -- you think he can continue to have double responsibility as president and then head of sales, too?
Gary Prestopino: Okay, and then this individual can -- you think he can continue to have double responsibility as president and then head of sales, too?
Art Zeile: No, we are actually bringing on board and announcing a new VP of Sales-
Speaker #2: No. We are actually bringing on board an announcing a new VP of Sales in the next few weeks. And so we've been hard at it through a hydrogen struggles-led search to find the new VP of Sales for Clearance Jobs.
Art Zeile: No, we are actually bringing on board and announcing a new VP of Sales-
Gary Prestopino: Okay.
Gary Prestopino: Okay.
Art Zeile: in the next few weeks. And so we've been hard at it through a Heidrick & Struggles-led search to find the new VP of sales for ClearanceJobs. And I personally think the candidate, the person that is going to become our new VP of sales is spectacular. So again, don't wanna announce it too early, but it will be announced within a few weeks.
Art Zeile: in the next few weeks. And so we've been hard at it through a Heidrick & Struggles-led search to find the new VP of sales for ClearanceJobs. And I personally think the candidate, the person that is going to become our new VP of sales is spectacular. So again, don't wanna announce it too early, but it will be announced within a few weeks.
Speaker #2: And I personally think the candidate, the person that is going to become our new VP of Sales, is spectacular. So again, I don't want to announce it too early, but it will be announced within a few weeks.
Speaker #7: Okay. And then just lastly, I mean, if you could cite maybe three or four encouraging signs that you're seeing. I mean, obviously, the ClearanceJobs bookings were up.
Gary Prestopino: Okay. And then just lastly, I mean, if you could cite maybe three or four encouraging signs that you're seeing. I mean, obviously, the ClearanceJobs bookings were up, but what else is happening on a macro environment plane? You know, we know about the fact that you've cut costs, and that's great and all that, but what's giving you some encouragement here?
Gary Prestopino: Okay. And then just lastly, I mean, if you could cite maybe three or four encouraging signs that you're seeing. I mean, obviously, the ClearanceJobs bookings were up, but what else is happening on a macro environment plane? You know, we know about the fact that you've cut costs, and that's great and all that, but what's giving you some encouragement here?
Speaker #7: But what else is happening on a macro environment plane? We know about the fact that you've cut costs, and that's great and all that.
Speaker #7: But what's giving you some encouragement here?
Speaker #2: I personally think that the context of the defense budget is going to help us a lot. That most of our roles are very heavily technical and weighted towards software development on the Clearance Jobs platform.
Art Zeile: I personally think that the context of the defense budget is gonna help us a lot. You know, that most of our roles are very heavily technical and weighted towards software development on the ClearanceJobs platform, and programs-
Art Zeile: I personally think that the context of the defense budget is gonna help us a lot. You know, that most of our roles are very heavily technical and weighted towards software development on the ClearanceJobs platform, and programs-like the Golden Dome are all about software. So I think that-that fact that we are moving to a much more technology-rich defense budget will help us, and we're already seeing that, obviously. The other really big macro effect for us is the Dice dependency on staffing recruiting agencies.
Speaker #2: And programs like the Golden Dome are all about software. So I think that that fact that we are moving to a much more technology-rich defense budget will help us.
Gary Prestopino: Right
Art Zeile: ... like the Golden Dome are all about software. So I think that-
Gary Prestopino: Mm-hmm
Art Zeile: ... that fact that we are moving to a much more technology-rich defense budget will help us, and we're already seeing that, obviously. The other really big macro effect for us is the Dice dependency on staffing recruiting agencies. So we have been in a tech staffing recession since 2023, and that's clearly evidenced by the Staffing Industry Analysts kind of figures that I pronounced on my side of the script. We're coming out of that. You can go to Staffing Industry Analysts. They have a new tech staffing Bullhorn indicator, and it shows the revenue growth in the tech staffing industry month-over-month, previous period, and it shows that we are going towards growth in 2026.
Speaker #2: And we're already seeing that, obviously. The other really big macro effect for us is the DICE dependency on staffing recruiting agencies. So, we have been in a tech staffing recession since 2023.
Art Zeile: So we have been in a tech staffing recession since 2023, and that's clearly evidenced by the Staffing Industry Analysts kind of figures that I pronounced on my side of the script. We're coming out of that. You can go to Staffing Industry Analysts. They have a new tech staffing Bullhorn indicator, and it shows the revenue growth in the tech staffing industry month-over-month, previous period, and it shows that we are going towards growth in 2026.
Speaker #2: And that's clearly evidenced by the Staffing Industry Analyst kind of figures that I pronounced in my side of the script. We're coming out of that.
Speaker #2: You can go to Staffing Industry Analysts. They have a new tech staffing Bullhorn indicator, and it shows the revenue growth in the tech staffing industry month over month, previous period.
Speaker #2: And it shows that we are going towards growth in 2026. The Staffing Industry Analyst Pulse Report that comes out every 60 days showed that the median tech staffing firm, in December of last year, grew 10%.
Art Zeile: The Staffing Industry Analysts Pulse report that comes out every 60 days showed that the median tech staffing firm in December of last year, the median grew 10%. The 75th percentile tech staffing firm in the United States grew 32%. So we're seeing kind of a surge in tech staffing demand. Now, obviously, I'm not trying to overplay that. It's an uncertain world that we live in today, but you could definitely see the trend lines if you go to Staffing Industry Analysts and look at these indicators. And again, we've been in a recession, so it's a cyclical business. We're hopefully coming out of the cycle.
Art Zeile: The Staffing Industry Analysts Pulse report that comes out every 60 days showed that the median tech staffing firm in December of last year, the median grew 10%. The 75th percentile tech staffing firm in the United States grew 32%. So we're seeing kind of a surge in tech staffing demand. Now, obviously, I'm not trying to overplay that. It's an uncertain world that we live in today, but you could definitely see the trend lines if you go to Staffing Industry Analysts and look at these indicators. And again, we've been in a recession, so it's a cyclical business. We're hopefully coming out of the cycle.
Speaker #2: The 75th percentile tech staffing firm in the United States grew 32%. So we're seeing kind of a surge in tech staffing demand. Now, obviously, I'm not trying to overplay that.
Speaker #2: It's an uncertain world that we live in today. But you could definitely see the trend lines if you go to Staffing Industry Analysts and look at these indicators.
Speaker #2: And again, we've been in recession, so it's a cyclical business. We're hopefully coming out of the cycle. Thank you.
Gary Prestopino: Great to hear. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Gary Prestopino: Great to hear. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Speaker #7: Thank you so much. Thank you.
Art Zeile: Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Gary.
Art Zeile: Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Gary.
Speaker #2: very much. Appreciate it,
Speaker #8: The next question comes from Max Michalis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go
Operator: The next question comes from Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Max Michaelis with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Speaker #8: ahead. Hey, guys.
Max Michaelis: Hey, guys. Great quarter. A few questions from me. Kind of want to stick with ClearanceJobs here. It's good to see bookings up 3% in Q4, and then your guidance for ClearanceJobs at 4%. Going back to your comments earlier in the call about bookings growth expected to continue in ClearanceJobs, should we expect acceleration from this 3%? I, I know, quarterly volatility is a thing, but should we expect ClearanceJobs bookings growth to kind of creep up into the mid-single-digit range? Anything else there.
Max Michaelis: Hey, guys. Great quarter. A few questions from me. Kind of want to stick with ClearanceJobs here. It's good to see bookings up 3% in Q4, and then your guidance for ClearanceJobs at 4%. Going back to your comments earlier in the call about bookings growth expected to continue in ClearanceJobs, should we expect acceleration from this 3%? I, I know, quarterly volatility is a thing, but should we expect ClearanceJobs bookings growth to kind of creep up into the mid-single-digit range? Anything else there.
Speaker #9: Great quarter. Few questions from me. Kind of want to stick with Clearance Jobs here. It's good to see bookings up 3% in Q4, and then your guidance for Clearance Jobs at 4%.
Speaker #9: Going back to your comments earlier in the call about bookings growth, expected to continue in ClearanceJobs. Should we expect acceleration from this 3%?
Speaker #9: I know quarterly volatility is a kind of creep up into the mid-single-digit range? Anything else,
Speaker #9: sir? Yeah, this
Greg Schippers: Yeah, this is Greg. And, Max, yeah, you should expect that to trip up through the year. So we expect it to get a little more legs under it, you know, as this new defense budget kind of gets moving and stuff. There's gonna be a little bit of lag with everyone, you know, getting their contracts in order, but we definitely expect that to happen through the year.
Greg Schippers: Yeah, this is Greg. And, Max, yeah, you should expect that to trip up through the year. So we expect it to get a little more legs under it, you know, as this new defense budget kind of gets moving and stuff. There's gonna be a little bit of lag with everyone, you know, getting their contracts in order, but we definitely expect that to happen through the year.
Speaker #3: is Greg. And Max, yeah, you should expect that to trip up through the year. So we expect it to get a little more legs under it as the new defense budget kind of gets moving and stuff.
Speaker #3: There's going to be a little bit of lag with everyone getting their contracts in order, but we definitely expect that to happen. Through the
Speaker #3: year. Okay.
Max Michaelis: Okay. Thank you. And then for ClearanceJobs margins, I think your Adjusted EBITDA margin was 43% in 2025, and then your guidance calls for around 40%. Is there any, any reason for that step down in 2026 investment, or help me out with that?
Max Michaelis: Okay. Thank you. And then for ClearanceJobs margins, I think your Adjusted EBITDA margin was 43% in 2025, and then your guidance calls for around 40%. Is there any, any reason for that step down in 2026 investment, or help me out with that?
Speaker #9: Thank you. And then for Clearance Jobs margins, I think, Justin, you've been margin was 43% in 2025, and then your guidance calls for around 40%.
Speaker #9: Is there any reason for that step down in 2026 investment, or can you help me out with that?
Speaker #9: that? Yeah.
Greg Schippers: Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good question. It's really a result of the rather flat bookings through 2025, and in particular, the decline in Q3 of 7%.
Greg Schippers: Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good question. It's really a result of the rather flat bookings through 2025, and in particular, the decline in Q3 of 7%. You know, in six months or so, that moves over to revenue. And we have a pretty consistent OpEx base, if not increasing a little bit at CJ, expected through 2026 as we continue to invest, you know, in that business. So that's gonna compress that margin a little bit. But again, you know, we're still in that 40% range with CJ, but the revenues will be just a bit more challenged because of the lag in that bookings mix.
Speaker #3: Yeah, no, that's a good question. And it really is a result of the rather flat bookings through 2025, and in particular, the decline in the third quarter of 7%.
Art Zeile: ... you know, in six months or so, that moves over to revenue. And we have a pretty consistent OpEx base, if not increasing a little bit at CJ, expected through 2026 as we continue to invest, you know, in that business. So that's gonna compress that margin a little bit. But again, you know, we're still in that 40% range with CJ, but the revenues will be just a bit more challenged because of the lag in that bookings mix.
Speaker #3: In six months or so, that moves over to revenue. And we have a pretty consistent OPEX base, if not increasing a little bit. It's CJ expected through 2026 as we continue to invest in that business.
Speaker #3: So that's going to compress that margin a little bit. But again, we're still in that 40% range with CJ, but the revenues will be just a bit more challenged because of the lag in that bookings miss.
Speaker #9: Okay. And then shifting over to DICE, this is my last question. Going back to an earlier question, talking about the green shoots in staffing, can you remind me what the percentage of revenue is between staffing and commercial accounts at DICE?
Max Michaelis: Okay. And then shifting over to Dice, this is my last question. Going back to an earlier question, talking about the green shoots and staffing, can you remind me what the percentage of revenue is, between staffing and commercial accounts at Dice?
Max Michaelis: Okay. And then shifting over to Dice, this is my last question. Going back to an earlier question, talking about the green shoots and staffing, can you remind me what the percentage of revenue is, between staffing and commercial accounts at Dice?
Art Zeile: Approximately 80% is really dependent upon tech staffing firms in the United States.
Speaker #2: Approximately 80% is really dependent upon tech staffing firms in the United States. So we have some of the very largest tech staffing firms in the United States and the world.
Art Zeile: Approximately 80% is really dependent upon tech staffing firms in the United States.
Max Michaelis: Yeah.
Art Zeile: Yeah. So we have some of the very largest tech staffing firms in the United States and the world. Adecco is the largest customer for us. Robert Half is number 2. We have Randstad, Kforce, Jobot, and then there is a very, very long tail of tech staffing firms in the United States.
Art Zeile: So we have some of the very largest tech staffing firms in the United States and the world. Adecco is the largest customer for us. Robert Half is number 2. We have Randstad, Kforce, Jobot, and then there is a very, very long tail of tech staffing firms in the United States. There is approximately 18,000 tech staffing firms. So, you know, the bottom line is that we, we have traditionally been very dependent upon them, because for them, the, you know, Dice platform is the equivalent of salesforce.com to a salesperson. It's up on their laptop or their screen every single day, every hour of the day, as they're searching for candidates.
Speaker #2: Adecco is the largest customer for us. Robert Half is number two. We have Randstad, Kforce, Jobbot. And then there is a very, very long tail of tech staffing firms in the United States.
Speaker #2: There is approximately 18,000 tech staffing firms. So the bottom line is that we have traditionally been very dependent upon them because for them, the DICE platform is the equivalent of Salesforce.com to a salesperson.
Art Zeile: There is approximately 18,000 tech staffing firms. So, you know, the bottom line is that we, we have traditionally been very dependent upon them, because for them, the, you know, Dice platform is the equivalent of salesforce.com to a salesperson. It's up on their laptop or their screen every single day, every hour of the day, as they're searching for candidates.They have a lot of urgency of getting people in the seat, so to speak, because they can only bill their customers when they actually do land in the position. So again, we're kind of the-
Speaker #2: It's up on their laptop or their screen every single day, every hour of the day, as they're searching for candidates. They have a lot of urgency to get people in the seat, so to speak, because they can only bill their customers when they actually do land in the position.
Art Zeile: They have a lot of urgency of getting people in the seat, so to speak, because they can only bill their customers when they actually do land in the position. So again, we're kind of the-
Speaker #2: So again, we're kind of the go-to platform for many of the tech staffing firms in the
Max Michaelis: Yep
Max Michaelis: Yep
Art Zeile: ... you know, go-to platform for many of the tech staffing firms in the United States.
Art Zeile: ... you know, go-to platform for many of the tech staffing firms in the United States.
Speaker #9: Yeah, I knew it was high in the United States. I just couldn't remember the exact number, but thanks for taking my questions.
Max Michaelis: Yeah, I knew it was high. I just couldn't remember the exact number, but thanks for taking my questions, guys.
Max Michaelis: Yeah, I knew it was high. I just couldn't remember the exact number, but thanks for taking my questions, guys.
Speaker #9: Guys, appreciate it. Thank you, Max.
Art Zeile: Thank you, Max.
Art Zeile: Thank you, Max.
Gary Prestopino: Thank you.
Gary Prestopino: Thank you.
Speaker #2: Have a great day.
Art Zeile: Have a great day.
Art Zeile: Have a great day.
Speaker #8: The next question comes from Kevin Liu with KLU and Company. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Kevin Liu with K. Liu and Company. Please go ahead.
Operator: The next question comes from Kevin Liu with K. Liu and Company. Please go ahead.
Speaker #10: Hi, good afternoon, guys. And I'll add my congrats on a solid finish to the year. Maybe if I could just continue on that line of questioning for the staffing and recruiting piece of Dice.
Kevin Liu: Hi, good afternoon, guys, and I'll add my congrats on a solid finish to the year. Maybe if I could just continue on that line of questioning for the staffing and recruiting piece of Dice. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, the trends you've seen within business with those companies? And as they start to see their own businesses stabilize, is it possible that you'll see growth there, which is just being kind of offset by the commercial side of your business?
Kevin Liu: Hi, good afternoon, guys, and I'll add my congrats on a solid finish to the year. Maybe if I could just continue on that line of questioning for the staffing and recruiting piece of Dice. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, the trends you've seen within business with those companies? And as they start to see their own businesses stabilize, is it possible that you'll see growth there, which is just being kind of offset by the commercial side of your business?
Speaker #10: Can you talk a little bit about the trends you’ve seen within business with those companies? And as they start to see their own businesses stabilize, is it possible that you’ll see growth there, with this being kind of offset by the commercial side of your business?
Art Zeile: That's a great question, Kevin, as always. I would have to say that as we looked at, you know, this SIA pulse report over the course of the year, it bumped along, you know, not really meaningfully changing as an indicator for the first half of the year. I personally think that that's because of the macro environment, tariff announcements, and just uncertainty in general, coming into a new administration. Then in the second half of the year, you can see a distinct trend where the 75th percentile was always doing extremely well. The 25th percentile was still, you know, in a tough shape, where there were revenue declines. So I used to tell the sales team, it feels like it's a tale of two cities, and we have to go after those staffing firms that have requisitions and that are doing extremely well.
Speaker #2: That's a great question, Kevin, as always. I would have to say that, as we looked at this SIA Pulse Report over the course of the year, it bumped along, not really meaningfully changing as an indicator for the first half of the year.
Art Zeile: That's a great question, Kevin, as always. I would have to say that as we looked at, you know, this SIA pulse report over the course of the year, it bumped along, you know, not really meaningfully changing as an indicator for the first half of the year. I personally think that that's because of the macro environment, tariff announcements, and just uncertainty in general, coming into a new administration.
Speaker #2: I personally think that that's because of the macro environment, tariff announcements, and just uncertainty in general coming into the new administration. Then, in the second half of the year, you can see a distinct trend where the 75th percentile was always doing extremely well.
Art Zeile: Then in the second half of the year, you can see a distinct trend where the 75th percentile was always doing extremely well. The 25th percentile was still, you know, in a tough shape, where there were revenue declines. So I used to tell the sales team, it feels like it's a tale of two cities, and we have to go after those staffing firms that have requisitions and that are doing extremely well.
Speaker #2: The 25th percentile was still in a tough shape, where there were revenue declines. So I used to tell the sales team, it feels like it's a tale of two cities, and we have to go after those staffing firms that have requisitions.
Speaker #2: And that are doing extremely well. So when you ask, will we see increases? We are already seeing it with certain companies that are doing well, kind of exiting 2025.
Art Zeile: So when you ask, you know, will we see increases? We are already seeing it with certain companies that are doing well, kind of exiting 2025. We always look at the median as illustration of, you know, what the average firm is doing or what their performance looks like. And the average firm, up until this last pulse report, was, you know, like 0% to 1% to 2%, but it looks pretty good moving into 2026 based on how we exited the year. And I'd also say the interesting thing about it is that December is a tough month.
Art Zeile: So when you ask, you know, will we see increases? We are already seeing it with certain companies that are doing well, kind of exiting 2025. We always look at the median as illustration of, you know, what the average firm is doing or what their performance looks like. And the average firm, up until this last pulse report, was, you know, like 0% to 1% to 2%, but it looks pretty good moving into 2026 based on how we exited the year. And I'd also say the interesting thing about it is that December is a tough month.
Speaker #2: We always look at the median as an illustration of what the average firm is doing or what their performance looks like. And the average firm, up until this last pulse report, was at 2 percent, but it looks pretty good moving into 2026 based on how we exited the year.
Speaker #2: And I'd also say the interesting thing about it is that December is a tough month. Generally speaking, our industry in general, whether it's staffing or it's hiring people commercially, is always down in the month of December, generally just because, I mean, it's the holiday season, so people aren't hiring with that velocity.
Art Zeile: Generally speaking, our industry in general, whether it's staffing or it's hiring people commercially, is always down in the month of December, generally, just because, I mean, it's the holiday season, so people aren't hiring that with velocity. Now, I could also tell you that our book of business, in terms of renewals, has a peak around December and January, just because people have liked to line up their contracts with their calendar year or fiscal year.
Art Zeile: Generally speaking, our industry in general, whether it's staffing or it's hiring people commercially, is always down in the month of December, generally, just because, I mean, it's the holiday season, so people aren't hiring that with velocity. Now, I could also tell you that our book of business, in terms of renewals, has a peak around December and January, just because people have liked to line up their contracts with their calendar year or fiscal year.
Speaker #2: Now, I could also tell you that our book of business, in terms of renewals, has a peak around December and January just because people have liked to line up their contracts with their calendar year or fiscal.
Speaker #2: year. Yeah.
Kevin Liu: Yeah. And just on that note, I wanted to chat a little bit about kind of the renewal trends you've been seeing of late. Obviously, Q4 looked like a nice bounce back from Q3 levels. Can you talk about just kind of, you know, how easy or difficult it was to kind of get your larger customers, especially, to renew during that period and what you've seen kind of into the new year? And then as we look out for 2026, just wondering if you would expect to see continued improvement in overall renewal rates.
Kevin Liu: Yeah. And just on that note, I wanted to chat a little bit about kind of the renewal trends you've been seeing of late. Obviously, Q4 looked like a nice bounce back from Q3 levels. Can you talk about just kind of, you know, how easy or difficult it was to kind of get your larger customers, especially, to renew during that period and what you've seen kind of into the new year? And then as we look out for 2026, just wondering if you would expect to see continued improvement in overall renewal rates.
Speaker #10: And just on that note, I wanted to chat a little bit about the renewal trends you've been seeing of late. Obviously, Q4 looked like a nice bounce-back from Q3 levels.
Speaker #10: Can you talk about just kind of how easy it was for larger customers, especially, to renew during that period, and what you've seen kind of into the new year?
Speaker #10: And then as we look out for '26, just wondering if you would expect to see continued improvement in overall renewal.
Art Zeile: Yeah, I would say, well, speaking to each brand individually, ClearanceJobs actually had a very nice bounce back, as we've been talking about. A great revenue renewal rate for Q4. I would say that the larger customers felt very bullish about their prospects moving into 2026 because they knew that they were gonna see a larger defense budget. And as you probably heard, President Trump has even promoted the idea of a $1.5 trillion defense budget for fiscal year 2027, which starts obviously October of this year. So it feels like we've turned the corner with CJ, and this is, again, in the kind of overshadowing event of the government shutdown, which, you know, lasted longer than any other shutdown in history.
Speaker #2: Yeah, I would
Art Zeile: Yeah, I would say, well, speaking to each brand individually, ClearanceJobs actually had a very nice bounce back, as we've been talking about. A great revenue renewal rate for Q4. I would say that the larger customers felt very bullish about their prospects moving into 2026 because they knew that they were gonna see a larger defense budget.
Speaker #2: Well, speaking to rates—each brand individually—Clearance Jobs actually had a very nice bounce back, as we've been talking about. Great revenue renewal rate for Q4.
Speaker #2: I would say that the larger customers felt very bullish about their prospects moving into 2026 because they knew that they were going to see a larger defense budget and, as you probably heard, President Trump has even promoted the idea of a $1.5 trillion defense budget for fiscal year 2027, which starts obviously October of this year.
Art Zeile: And as you probably heard, President Trump has even promoted the idea of a $1.5 trillion defense budget for fiscal year 2027, which starts obviously October of this year. So it feels like we've turned the corner with CJ, and this is, again, in the kind of overshadowing event of the government shutdown, which, you know, lasted longer than any other shutdown in history.
Speaker #2: So it feels like we've turned the corner with CJ. And this is, again, in the kind of overshadowing event of the government shutdown, which lasted longer than any other shutdown in history.
Speaker #2: That mostly kind of affected the confidence of the small and medium firms, because they obviously have a different balance sheet profile than the large ones.
Art Zeile: That mostly kind of affected the confidence of the small and medium firms, because they obviously have a different balance sheet profile than the large ones. Turning over to Dice, I would say, again, we had a bounce back in terms of revenue renewal rate. Our bigger customers felt better, kind of in line with that idea that there are certain tech staffing firms that are doing a lot better than they did at the beginning of 2025, and we were the beneficiaries of that during the renewal season. So that's just generally how I'd describe it.
Art Zeile: That mostly kind of affected the confidence of the small and medium firms, because they obviously have a different balance sheet profile than the large ones. Turning over to Dice, I would say, again, we had a bounce back in terms of revenue renewal rate. Our bigger customers felt better, kind of in line with that idea that there are certain tech staffing firms that are doing a lot better than they did at the beginning of 2025, and we were the beneficiaries of that during the renewal season. So that's just generally how I'd describe it.
Speaker #2: Turning over to DICE, I would say, again, we had a bounce back in terms of revenue renewal rate. Our bigger customers felt better, kind of in line with that idea that there are certain tech staffing firms that are doing a lot better than they did at the beginning of 2025.
Speaker #2: And we were the beneficiaries of that during the renewal season. So that's just generally how I describe it.
Speaker #2: it. All right.
Kevin Liu: All right, great. And then just on CJ as well, it was kind of interesting to hear that, you know, the Agile ATS revenue base has kind of doubled already. I know it's off a small base, but how are you thinking about how Agile can contribute to growth on the CJ side this year?
Kevin Liu: All right, great. And then just on CJ as well, it was kind of interesting to hear that, you know, the Agile ATS revenue base has kind of doubled already. I know it's off a small base, but how are you thinking about how Agile can contribute to growth on the CJ side this year?
Speaker #10: Great. And then just on CJ's WALA, it was kind of interesting to hear that the Agile ATS revenue base has kind of doubled already.
Speaker #10: I know it's off a small base, but how are you thinking about how Agile can contribute to growth on the CJ side this
Speaker #10: year?
Speaker #2: Well, I think it's going to
Art Zeile: Well, I think it's gonna be still growing steadily. I think that it really does fit a great market need. It's generally for smaller and mid-sized companies, so that's what we're, you know, doing, is we're pitching for those type of customers. I would say that because of the early success that we saw with Agile ATS bookings and revenue, we're actually adding to the sales team, specifically to essentially promote Agile ATS moving into 2026. We felt enough confidence in what we had seen that we wanted to expand on that success, and so we're adding resources, and we think that it is gonna be a bigger growth driver for us in the year ahead.
Art Zeile: Well, I think it's gonna be still growing steadily. I think that it really does fit a great market need. It's generally for smaller and mid-sized companies, so that's what we're, you know, doing, is we're pitching for those type of customers. I would say that because of the early success that we saw with Agile ATS bookings and revenue, we're actually adding to the sales team, specifically to essentially promote Agile ATS moving into 2026. We felt enough confidence in what we had seen that we wanted to expand on that success, and so we're adding resources, and we think that it is gonna be a bigger growth driver for us in the year ahead.
Speaker #2: Steadily. I think that it really does fit a great market need. It's generally for smaller and mid-size companies, so that's what we're doing—we're pitching for those types of customers.
Speaker #2: I would say that, because of the early success that we saw with Agile ATS bookings and revenue, we're actually adding to the sales team, specifically to essentially promote Agile ATS moving into 2026.
Speaker #2: We felt enough confidence in what we had seen that we wanted to expand on that success, and so we're adding resources, and we think that it is going to be a bigger growth driver for us in the year ahead.
Speaker #10: Sounds great. Thanks for taking the questions, and good luck here.
Kevin Liu: Sounds great. Thanks for taking the questions, and good luck to you.
Kevin Liu: Sounds great. Thanks for taking the questions, and good luck to you.
Speaker #2: Thank you. We appreciate it,
Art Zeile: Thank you.
Art Zeile: Thank you.
Greg Schippers: We appreciate it, Kevin.
Greg Schippers: We appreciate it, Kevin.
Speaker #2: Kevin. This
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Art Zeile for closing remarks. Please, go ahead.
Operator: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Art Zeile for closing remarks. Please, go ahead.
Speaker #1: I'd like to turn the conference back over to conclude our question and answer session. I would like to ask Art Zeile for closing remarks. Please.
Speaker #1: go ahead. Thank you,
Art Zeile: Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today. As always, if you have any questions about our company or would like to speak with the management team, please reach out to Todd Kehrli, and he will assist in arranging a meeting. Thank you for your interest in DHI Group, and have a wonderful day.
Art Zeile: Thank you, operator, and thank you all for joining us today. As always, if you have any questions about our company or would like to speak with the management team, please reach out to Todd Kehrli, and he will assist in arranging a meeting. Thank you for your interest in DHI Group, and have a wonderful day.
Speaker #2: Operator, and thank you all for joining us today. As always, if you have any questions about our company or would like to speak with the management team, please reach out to Todd Kehrli, and he will assist in arranging a meeting.
Speaker #2: Thank you for your interest in DHI Group, and have a wonderful day.
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