Q4 2025 CCL Industries Inc Earnings Call

February 26, 2026

Operator: Good morning, welcome to CCL Industries 2025 Q4 and Year-End Investor Update. Please note that there will be a question and answer session after the call. The moderator for today is Mr. Geoffrey Martin, President and Chief Executive Officer, and joining him is Mr. Sean Washchuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, gentlemen.

Operator: Good morning, welcome to CCL Industries 2025 Q4 and Year-End Investor Update. Please note that there will be a question and answer session after the call. The moderator for today is Mr. Jeff Martin, President and Chief Executive Officer, and joining him is Mr. Sean Washchuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, gentlemen.

Speaker #2: The moderator for today is Mr. Geoff Martin, President and Chief Executive Officer, and joining him is Mr. Sean Washchuk, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker #2: Please go ahead, gentlemen. Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Holly. Welcome to our fourth quarter investor call and record year-end results. I'll draw everyone's attention to page 2 of this presentation.

Sean Washchuk: Good morning, everyone. Thank you, Holly. Welcome to our Q4 Investor Call and record year-end results. I'll draw everyone's attention to page two of this presentation and remind everyone of our disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements. If you'd like more information about the risks and opportunities facing our business, please have a look at your 2024 and 2025 annual reports, particularly the sections Risks and Opportunities. Our annual and quarterly reports can be found online on the company's website, cclind.com, or on sedarplus.ca. Moving to page three.

Speaker #2: And remind everyone of our disclaimer regarding forward-looking statements. If you would like more information about the risks and opportunities facing our business, please have a look at our 2024 and 2025 annual reports.

Speaker #2: Particularly the sections Risks and Opportunities. Our annual and quarterly reports can be found at CCLIND.com, or on CedarPlus.ca. Moving to page 3. For the fourth quarter of 2025, sales increased 3.5%, with 0.6% organic growth, 0.2% acquisition-related growth, and a 2.7% positive impact from foreign currency translation.

Sean Washchuk: For Q4 2025, sales increased 3.5%, with 0.6% organic growth, 0.2% acquisition-related growth, and 2.7% positive impact from foreign currency translation, resulting in sales of almost CAD 1.9 billion, compared to approximately CAD 1.8 billion in Q4 2024. Operating income was CAD 280.7 million for the 2025 Q4, compared to CAD 267.9 million for Q4 2024, a 2% increase, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation. Jeff will expand on our segmented results for CCL, Avery, Checkpoint, and Innovia momentarily.

Speaker #2: Resulting in sales of almost $1.9 billion, compared to approximately $1.8 billion in the fourth quarter of 2024. Operating income was $280.7 million for the 2025 fourth quarter, compared to $267.9 million for the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #2: A 2% increase, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation. Geoff will expand on our segmented results for CCL, Avery, Checkpoint, and Innovia momentarily. Corporate expenses were up for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the prior year fourth quarter due to higher variable long-term compensation expenses.

Sean Washchuk: Corporate expenses were up for the 2025 Q4 compared to the prior year Q4, due to higher variable long-term compensation expenses. Consolidated EBITDA for the 2025 Q4, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, increased 3% to $383.6 million. Net finance expense was $17.2 million for the Q4 2025, lower than the $19.1 million for the Q4 2024. The decrease is due to higher finance income earned on the company's cash and cash equivalents. The overall effective tax rate for Q4 2025 was 28.5%, compared to an effective tax rate of 22.9% recorded in the Q4 2024.

Speaker #2: Consolidated EBITDA for the 2025 fourth quarter, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, increased 3% to $383.6 million. Net finance expense was $17.2 million for the fourth quarter of 2025, lower than the $19.1 million for the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #2: The decrease is due to higher finance income earned on the company's cash and cash equivalents. The overall effective tax rate for Q4 2025 was 28.5%, compared to an effective tax rate of 22.9% recorded in the fourth quarter of 2024.

Speaker #2: This is primarily due to an increase in withholding taxes in the period, resulting in a $10.1 million increase in tax expense for the comparative quarters.

Sean Washchuk: This is primarily due to an increase in withholding taxes in the period, resulting in a $10.1 million increase in tax expense for the comparative quarters. The effective tax rate may change in future periods, depending on the proportion of taxable income earned in different tax jurisdictions and the timing of withholding taxes. Net earnings for 2025 Q4 were $171.1 million, compared to $179.8 million for 2024 Q4. For the year ended 31 December 2025, sales and operating income increased 3% and 6%, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation, respectively.

Speaker #2: The effective tax rate may change in future periods depending on the proportion of taxable income earned in different tax jurisdictions and the timing of withholding taxes.

Speaker #2: Net earnings for the 2025 fourth quarter were $171.1 million, compared to $179.8 million for the 2024 fourth quarter. For the year ended December 31, 2025, sales and operating income increased 3% and 6%, respectively, excluding the impact of foreign currency translation.

Speaker #2: Net income for the 2024 year included a $78.1 million non-cash revaluation gain recorded in the second quarter of 2024, resulting in a decline in 2025 net income compared to the 2024 year.

Sean Washchuk: Net income for the 2024 year included a CAD 78.1 million non-cash revaluation gain recorded in Q2 of 2024, resulting in a decline in 2025 net income compared to the 2024 year. Excluding this gain, adjusted net income increased 5.3%. 2025 results included the results of three acquisitions completed since 1 January 2024, delivering acquisition-related sales growth for the period of 0.7%, organic growth of 2.5%, foreign currency translation was a tailwind of 2.6% to sales. Moving to the next slide, our earnings per share.

Speaker #2: Excluding this gain, adjusted net income increased 5.3%. 2025 results included the results of three acquisitions completed since January 1, 2024, delivering acquisition-related sales growth for the period of 0.7%, organic growth of 2.5%, and foreign currency translation was a tailwind of 2.6% to sales.

Speaker #2: Moving to the next slide, our earnings per share. Basic and adjusted basic earnings per class B share were $99 and $1.03 respectively for the 2025 fourth quarter compared to $1.01 basic and $1.02 adjusted basic earnings per class B share for the 2024 fourth quarter.

Sean Washchuk: Basic and adjusted basic earnings per Class B share were CAD 0.99 and CAD 1.03, respectively, for the 2025 Q4, compared to CAD 1.01 basic and CAD 1.02 adjusted basic earnings per Class B share for the 2024 Q4. Adjusted earnings per Class B share increased 1% compared to the Q4 of 2024. The CAD 0.01 increase in adjusted basic EPS was primarily driven by improved operating income of CAD 0.05, favorable currency translation adding CAD 0.04, and reduced net finance costs adding CAD 0.01. These gains were partially offset by lower joint venture equity earnings of CAD 0.01 and higher income tax rate amounting to CAD 0.08. Moving to our next slide, free cash flow from operations.

Speaker #2: Adjusted earnings per Class B share increased 1% compared to the fourth quarter of 2024. The $0.01 increase in adjusted basic EPS was primarily driven by improved operating income of $0.05, favorable currency translation adding $0.04, and reduced net finance costs adding $0.01.

Speaker #2: These gains were partially offset by lower joint venture equity earnings of $0.01 and a higher income tax rate amounting to $0.08. Moving to our next slide, free cash flow from operations.

Speaker #2: For the fourth quarter of 2025, free cash flow from operations was an inflow of $292.8 million, compared to an inflow of $261.7 million posted for the fourth quarter of 2024.

Sean Washchuk: For Q4 2025, free cash flow from operations was an inflow of CAD 292.8 million, compared to an inflow of CAD 261.7 million posted for Q4 2024. The increase is principally due to improved net working capital, partly offset by higher net CapEx for Q4 2025 compared to the prior year Q4. For the year ended 2025, free cash flow from operations was a record CAD 891.3 million, surpassing the CAD 606.5 million posted for 2024, a 47% increase. This change is primarily attributable to improved adjusted earnings and an improvement in working capital over the comparative periods.

Speaker #2: The increase is principally due to improved net working capital partly offset by higher net capex for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the prior year fourth quarter.

Speaker #2: For the year ended 2025, free cash flow from operations was a record $891.3 million, surpassing the $606.5 million posted for 2024. A 47% increase, this change is primarily attributable to improved adjusted earnings and an improvement in working capital over the comparative periods.

Speaker #2: Moving to slide 6, our returns to shareholders. For the year ended December 31, 2025, the company repurchased approximately 3.9 million shares for $300 million. Including the 10.3% increase in the 2025 annual dividend announced in February of 2025, dividends paid year-to-date have amounted to $223.7 million, for a total of $523.7 million returned to shareholders.

Sean Washchuk: Moving to Slide six, our returns to shareholders. For the year ended 31 December 2025, the company repurchased approximately 3.9 million shares for CAD 300 million. Including the 10.3% increase in 2025 annual dividend announced in February of 2025, dividends paid year to date have amounted to CAD 223.7 million, for a total of CAD 523.7 million returned to shareholders. It is the company's expectation that more money will be returned to shareholders in 2026, as indicated in our 2025 Q4 press release, where we announced a 12.5% increase in the 2026 annual dividend.

Speaker #2: It is the company's expectation that more money will be returned to shareholders in 2026, as indicated in our 2025 Q4 press release, where we announced a 12.5% increase in the 2026 annual dividend.

Speaker #2: And hopefully, everyone had a look at our press release this morning, where we have announced we've modified our normal course issuer bid from a discretionary buyback to an automatic share repurchase plan going forward.

Sean Washchuk: Hopefully, everyone had a look at our press release this morning, where we have announced we've modified our Normal Course Issuer Bid from a discretionary buyback to an automatic share repurchase plan going forward. We are authorized to potentially spend up to CAD 1.2 billion over the next 12 months. Moving to the next slide, our cash and debt summary. Net debt as at 31 December 2025, was CAD 1.26 billion, a decrease of CAD 356.9 million compared to 31 December 2024. This decrease is principally a result of lower total debt outstanding and an increase in cash and cash equivalents. With the decrease in the company's net debt, the balance sheet closed the quarter in a strong position.

Speaker #2: We are authorized to potentially spend up to $1.2 billion over the next 12 months. Moving to the next slide, our cash and debt summary.

Speaker #2: Net debt as at December 31, 2025, was $1.26 billion, a decrease of $356.9 million compared to December 31, 2024. This decrease is principally a result of lower total debt outstanding and an increase in cash and cash equivalents.

Speaker #2: With the decrease in the company's net debt, the balance sheet closed the quarter in a strong position. The balance sheet leverage ratio was 0.78 times at December 31, 2025, down from 1.08 times reported at the end of December 2024.

Sean Washchuk: Our balance sheet leverage ratio was 0.78 times at 31 December 2025, down from 1.08 times, reported at the end of December 2024. Liquidity was robust, with almost $1 billion of cash on hand and US $1 billion or $1 billion available, undrawn of credit capacity in our revolving credit facility. During Q4, the company amended its syndicated revolving credit facility, extending the maturity almost 4 years to November 2030. The company's overall finance rate was approximately 2.5% at 31 December 2025, just below the 2.6% at 31 December 2024. The company's balance sheet continues to be well-positioned as we move into 2026. Jeff, over to you.

Speaker #2: Liquidity was robust, with almost $1 billion of cash on hand and US$1.1 billion, or $1 billion, available undrawn of credit capacity in our revolving credit facility.

Speaker #2: During the fourth quarter, the company amended its syndicated revolving credit facility, extending the maturity almost four years to November 2030. The company's overall finance rate was approximately 2.5% at December 31, 2025, just below the 2.6% at December 31, 2024.

Speaker #2: The company's balance sheet continues to be well positioned as we move into 2026. Jeff, over to you.

Speaker #1: Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everybody. Slide 8, capital spending highlights for the year: $441 million gross, $430 million net—mainly the disposal of the building for Inovia in Belgium—and we are estimating to spend approximately $470 million in the year 2026.

Geoffrey Martin: Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everybody. Slide 8, capital spending highlights for the year. CAD 441 million gross, CAD 430 million net, mainly the disposal of the building for Innovia in Belgium. We are estimating to spend approximately CAD 470 million in the year of 2026. Slide 9, highlights for CCL. Solid Q4 organic growth, 3.6%. Low single digit in North America, mid-single digit in Europe, double digit in Asia Pacific, particularly driven by CCL Design and including the Middle East, part offset by a modest decline in Latin America. Profitability gains are very strong at CCL Design, solid at Healthcare & Specialty, slightly down at Home & Personal Care, and a bit more than that in Food & Beverage. CCL Secure profits halved compared to a good Q4 2024 on shipment timings. Slide 10.

Jeff Martin: Thank you, Sean. Good morning, everybody. Slide 8, capital spending highlights for the year. CAD 441 million gross, CAD 430 million net, mainly the disposal of the building for Innovia in Belgium. We are estimating to spend approximately CAD 470 million in the year of 2026. Slide 9, highlights for CCL. Solid Q4 organic growth, 3.6%. Low single digit in North America, mid-single digit in Europe, double digit in Asia Pacific, particularly driven by CCL Design and including the Middle East, part offset by a modest decline in Latin America. Profitability gains are very strong at CCL Design, solid at Healthcare & Specialty, slightly down at Home & Personal Care, and a bit more than that in Food & Beverage. CCL Secure profits halved compared to a good Q4 2024 on shipment timings. Slide 10.

Speaker #1: Slide 9 highlights for CCL. Solid Q4 organic growth 3.6%, low single-digit in North America, mid-single-digit in Europe, double-digit in Asia Pacific, particularly driven by CCL design and including the Middle East, parts offset by a modest decline in Latin America.

Speaker #1: Profitability gains are very strong at CCL Design, solid at Healthcare and Specialty, slightly down at Home and Personal Care, and a bit more than that in Food and Beverage.

Speaker #1: CCL Secure profits halved compared to a good Q4 '24 on shipment timings. Slide 10—I won't spend much time on this. Just earnings from our one remaining joint venture.

Geoffrey Martin: I won't spend much time on this, just the earnings from our 1 remaining joint venture. Slide 11. Very good quarter at Avery. Very strong quarter for our direct-to-consumer business, especially in North America. Solid overall internationally and good progress in the horticultural space. Slide 12, highlights for Checkpoint. MAS had another strong profit quarter in Europe and Asia, was weak in North America, particularly around tariff impacts from China and a slow Christmas season that many retailers reported. Apparel labeling profitability improved. That was a mixed story, somewhat RFID related, sales were still soft on the impact of Paris on the apparel supply chain, with inventory caution in abundance. Order intake improved so far in Q1 2026. Slide 13, highlights for Innovia. Sales declined on the lower resin cost pass-through and volume decline in slow consumer markets.

Jeff Martin: I won't spend much time on this, just the earnings from our 1 remaining joint venture. Slide 11. Very good quarter at Avery. Very strong quarter for our direct-to-consumer business, especially in North America. Solid overall internationally and good progress in the horticultural space. Slide 12, highlights for Checkpoint. MAS had another strong profit quarter in Europe and Asia, was weak in North America, particularly around tariff impacts from China and a slow Christmas season that many retailers reported. Apparel labeling profitability improved. That was a mixed story, somewhat RFID related, sales were still soft on the impact of Paris on the apparel supply chain, with inventory caution in abundance. Order intake improved so far in Q1 2026. Slide 13, highlights for Innovia. Sales declined on the lower resin cost pass-through and volume decline in slow consumer markets.

Speaker #1: Slide 11, very good quarter at Avery. Very strong quarter for our direct-to-consumer business, especially in North America. Solid overall internationally, and good progress in the horticultural space.

Speaker #1: Slide 12 highlights for Checkpoint. MAS had another strong profit quarter in Europe and Asia, but was weak in North America, particularly around tariff impacts from China and a slow Christmas season at many retailers reported.

Speaker #1: Apparel labeling profitability improved, but it was a mixed story—somewhat RFID related. Sales were still soft, and the impact of Paris on the apparel supply chain, with inventory caution in abundance.

Speaker #1: Order intake improved so far in Q1 2026. Slide 13 highlights for Inovia. Sales declined on the lower resin cost pass-through and volume decline in slow consumer markets.

Speaker #1: We did see good share gain progress for EcoFloat and in-mold label films, predominantly made at that plant in Poland. And we incurred about $4 million in startup costs at the new German plant.

Geoffrey Martin: You did see good share gain progress for EcoFloat and in-mold label films predominantly made at our plant in Poland. We incurred about CAD 4 million on startup costs in the new German plant, although we're hoping that picture is going to change as we go through the year in 2026. Outlook commentary. Overall, the CCL segment orders continue to be stable, and US plants were impacted by snow-related outages in January and again this week in February. Avery is expected to be stable. ALS and the RFID business is expected to strengthen at Checkpoint, driven by the uptick in orders. Innovia's German plant, as I mentioned, we expect to see that improve as the year progresses.

Jeff Martin: You did see good share gain progress for EcoFloat and in-mold label films predominantly made at our plant in Poland. We incurred about CAD 4 million on startup costs in the new German plant, although we're hoping that picture is going to change as we go through the year in 2026. Outlook commentary. Overall, the CCL segment orders continue to be stable, and US plants were impacted by snow-related outages in January and again this week in February. Avery is expected to be stable. ALS and the RFID business is expected to strengthen at Checkpoint, driven by the uptick in orders. Innovia's German plant, as I mentioned, we expect to see that improve as the year progresses.

Speaker #1: Although we're hoping that picture is going to change as we go through the year in 2026. Outlook commentary—overall, the CCL segment orders continue to be stable.

Speaker #1: Our U.S. plants were impacted by snow-related outages in January, and again this week in February. Avery is expected to be stable. ALS and the RFID business are expected to strengthen at Checkpoint, driven by the uptick in orders.

Speaker #1: Inovia's German plant, as I mentioned, we expect to see that do have challenging comps in the first half of the year—much less challenging in the second half of the year.

Geoffrey Martin: We do have challenging comps in the first half of the year, much less challenging in the second half of the year, and foreign exchange is expected to be a modest tailwind. With that, operator, we'd like to open up the call for questions.

Jeff Martin: We do have challenging comps in the first half of the year, much less challenging in the second half of the year, and foreign exchange is expected to be a modest tailwind. With that, operator, we'd like to open up the call for questions.

Speaker #1: And foreign exchange is expected to be a modest tailwind. So, with that, operator, we'd like to open up the call for questions.

Speaker #3: Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad.

Operator: Certainly. At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please, while we poll for questions. Your first question for today is from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets.

Speaker #3: A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue.

Speaker #3: For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we pull for questions.

Speaker #3: Your first question for today is from Hamir Patel with CIBC Capital Markets.

Speaker #4: Hi, good morning. Jeff, you're pointing to stable orders so far. It looks like you've delivered mid-single-digit organic growth in the CCL segment in '24 and '25.

Hamir Patel: Hi, good morning. Jeff, you're pointing to stable orders so far. It looks like you've delivered mid-single-digit organic growth in the CCL segment in 2024 and 2025. Do you think you can continue to deliver mid-single growth in the CCL segment this year? How much might the weather issues that you mentioned in the US be a drag on comps there in Q1?

Speaker #4: Do you think you can continue to deliver mid-single-digit growth in the CCL segment this year? And how much might the weather issues that you mentioned in the U.S. be a drag on comps there in Q1?

Geoffrey Martin: Well, I certainly think for the year, we can expect to see growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. I think Q1 will be a little bit more challenging, some of that driven by the weather factor. We'll it depends how quickly we can catch up on that with shipments. Organizing freight was the biggest problem. Our plants were actually running relatively normally, but freight shipments were difficult to get organized. We certainly do expect to see growth in the year. I think Q1 will be one of the more difficult courses of the year, and we expect it to ease as the year progresses.

Jeff Martin: Well, I certainly think for the year, we can expect to see growth in the low to mid-single-digit range. I think Q1 will be a little bit more challenging, some of that driven by the weather factor. We'll it depends how quickly we can catch up on that with shipments. Organizing freight was the biggest problem. Our plants were actually running relatively normally, but freight shipments were difficult to get organized. We certainly do expect to see growth in the year. I think Q1 will be one of the more difficult courses of the year, and we expect it to ease as the year progresses.

Speaker #5: Okay. I certainly think for the year we can expect to see growth in the low- to mid-single-digit range, and I think Q1 will be a little bit more challenging, some of that driven by the weather factor.

Speaker #5: So, it depends how quickly we can catch up on that with shipments. Organizing freight was the biggest problem. Our plants were actually running relatively normally, but freight shipments were difficult to get organized.

Speaker #5: But we certainly do expect to see growth in the year. I think Q1 will be one of the more difficult quarters of the year, and we expect it to ease as the year progresses.

Speaker #4: Okay. Great. Thanks. Thanks, Jeff. And just the last question I had for Checkpoint. What type of RFID demand change did you see over 2025?

Hamir Patel: Okay, great. Thanks, thanks, Jeff. Just the last question I had for Checkpoint, what type of RFID demand change did you see over 2025? Just given the strong demand that you're pointing to for the year ahead, what level of RFID growth are you expecting in 2026?

Speaker #4: And just given the strong demand that you're pointing to for the year ahead, what level of RFID growth are you expecting in '26?

Speaker #1: So the industry did not have a growth year last year overall. So RFID shipments were actually, for the total industry, below 2024 levels. We grew in 2025, and we expect to grow in 2026, hopefully in double digits.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, the industry did not have a growth year last year overall, so RFID shipments were actually for the total industry, below 2024 levels. We grew in 2025, and we expect to grow in 2026, hopefully in double digits. We'll have to wait and see how things unfold as the year progresses. We have seen improvement in apparel order intake, and that's been a particular issue in the RFID space because of the abundance of caution North American retailers, in particular, took over the tariff issues.

Jeff Martin: Well, the industry did not have a growth year last year overall, so RFID shipments were actually for the total industry, below 2024 levels. We grew in 2025, and we expect to grow in 2026, hopefully in double digits. We'll have to wait and see how things unfold as the year progresses. We have seen improvement in apparel order intake, and that's been a particular issue in the RFID space because of the abundance of caution North American retailers, in particular, took over the tariff issues.

Speaker #1: But we'll have to wait and see how things unfold as the year progresses. We have seen improvement in apparel order intake, and that's been a particular issue in the RFID space because of the abundance of caution.

Speaker #1: North American retailers, in particular, took over the tariff issues.

Speaker #4: Okay, great. Thanks, Jeff. That's all I had. I'll turn it over.

Hamir Patel: Okay, great. Thanks, Jeff. That's all I had. I'll turn it over.

Speaker #1: No

Geoffrey Martin: Thanks, Colin.

Jeff Martin: Thanks, Colin.

Operator: Your next question is from Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada.

Speaker #3: question is from Ahmed Abdullah with National Bank of Canada.

Speaker #6: Yeah, hi. Thanks for taking my question. There were some high-profile private equity roll-ups that have struggled financially, and some of us in the market obviously assumed that that could be a positive for you.

Ahmed Abdullah: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. There were some high-profile private equity roll-ups that have, you know, struggled financially. Some of us in the market obviously assume that that could be a positive for you. Are you seeing any of that kind of start materializing into, you know, RFPs or essentially better discussions on the M&A front? Any commentary or thoughts around that?

Speaker #6: Are you seeing any of that kind of start materializing into RFPs, or essentially better discussions on the M&A front? Any commentary or thoughts around that?

Speaker #7: Well, I would say all private equity roll-ups are struggling financially. I wouldn't say some—it's virtually all. And I would say that's a positive for the rest of the industry in terms of the available share you can take.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, I would say all private equity roll-ups are struggling financially. I wouldn't say some, it's virtually all. I would say that's a positive for the rest of the industry in terms of the available share you can take. I wouldn't say that we are gaining more favorably than some others are, and privately owned, family-run companies also picking up some share. It's for sure helping the current situation in what's a pretty tight demand market in the consumer goods space.

Jeff Martin: Well, I would say all private equity roll-ups are struggling financially. I wouldn't say some, it's virtually all. I would say that's a positive for the rest of the industry in terms of the available share you can take. I wouldn't say that we are gaining more favorably than some others are, and privately owned, family-run companies also picking up some share. It's for sure helping the current situation in what's a pretty tight demand market in the consumer goods space.

Speaker #7: I wouldn't say that we are gaining more favorably than some others are, in privately owned family-run companies also picking up some share. But it's for sure helping the current situation in what's a pretty tight-demand market in the consumer goods space.

Speaker #6: Okay. Thanks. So has you seen any notable change in terms of M&A discussions that you've been engaging in in terms of appetite for more reasonable valuations?

Ahmed Abdullah: Okay, thanks. Have you seen any notable change in terms of M&A discussions that you've been engaging in terms of, you know, appetite for more reasonable valuations?

Speaker #7: Well, I would say in the M&A space, we are seeing some signs of valuations coming back from insanity to something more normal. The private lending market is still very vibrant.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, I would say in the M&A space, we are seeing some signs of valuations coming back from insanity to something more normal. The private lending market is still very vibrant. You know, the subprime lending, if you like, to these kind of enterprises, that still can be problematic at times in terms of valuations that are out there. I would describe the environment as improving rather than the reverse.

Jeff Martin: Well, I would say in the M&A space, we are seeing some signs of valuations coming back from insanity to something more normal. The private lending market is still very vibrant. You know, the subprime lending, if you like, to these kind of enterprises, that still can be problematic at times in terms of valuations that are out there. I would describe the environment as improving rather than the reverse.

Speaker #7: The subprime lending, if you like, to these kind of enterprises—that still can be problematic at times, in terms of valuations that are out there.

Speaker #7: But I would describe the environment as improving, rather than the reverse.

Speaker #6: Okay. And just on the announcement this morning on the NCIB, are there any parameters that you were thinking about when you're executing on this in terms of being opportunistic on price, or is it really trying to maintain your leverage above one and just trying to execute the full NCIB?

Ahmed Abdullah: Okay. just on the announcement this morning on the NCIB, are there any parameters that you were thinking about when you're executing on this in terms of, you know, opportunistic on price, or is it really trying to maintain your leverage above one and just trying to execute the full NCIB?

Speaker #5: Well, we've got authorization to spend much more significantly. Our objective is to be in the market every day purchasing shares. Regardless of the price, the price will dictate how much we purchase, and you'll have to see how that works out each quarter.

Sean Washchuk: Well, we've got authorization to spend much more significantly. Our objective is to be in the market every day, purchasing shares, regardless of the price. The price will dictate how much we purchase, and you'll have to see how that works out each quarter.

Speaker #6: Okay, thanks. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.

Ahmed Abdullah: Okay, thanks. I'll jump back in queue. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Your next question for today is from Sean Stewart with TD Cowen.

Operator: Your next question for today is from Stephen Stewart with TD Cowen.

Speaker #4: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, a couple of questions for you. The tax rate in Q4—you mentioned withholding taxes was a factor there. And I appreciate the effect of tax rates as a function of various regional contributions.

Stephen Stewart: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, a couple of questions for you. The tax rate in Q4, you mentioned withholding taxes was a factor there, and I appreciate the effective tax rate's a function of various regional contributions. Any broad guidance on effective 2026 tax rates you're expecting in a normal contribution environment, region to region?

Sean Stewart: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Sean, a couple of questions for you. The tax rate in Q4, you mentioned withholding taxes was a factor there, and I appreciate the effective tax rate's a function of various regional contributions. Any broad guidance on effective 2026 tax rates you're expecting in a normal contribution environment, region to region?

Speaker #4: But any broad guidance on effective 2026 tax rates you're expecting in a normal contribution environment, region to region?

Speaker #8: I think for 2026, we can expect our tax rate to be around 25% annualized. I don't think we will experience the lumpiness of withholding taxes we had in '25 and '26.

Sean Washchuk: I think for 2026, we can expect a tax rate around 25% annualized. I don't think we will experience the lumpiness of withholding taxes we had in 2025 and 2026. It'll be a much more smooth year, so I'd estimate around 25% for the coming year.

Speaker #8: It'll be a much smoother year, so I'd estimate around 25% for the coming year.

Speaker #4: Okay, thanks for that. And the strong free cash flow number in Q4 partly reflected a big working cap drawdown, I guess some of which is seasonal.

Stephen Stewart: Okay, thanks for that. The strong free cash flow number in Q4 partly reflected a big working cap drawdown, I guess some of which is seasonal, but it was a strong contribution. Any perspective on expected working cap changes into Q1 and through the year in 2026?

Sean Stewart: Okay, thanks for that. The strong free cash flow number in Q4 partly reflected a big working cap drawdown, I guess some of which is seasonal, but it was a strong contribution. Any perspective on expected working cap changes into Q1 and through the year in 2026?

Speaker #4: But it was a strong contribution. Any perspective on expected working cap changes into Q1 and through the year in 2026?

Geoffrey Martin: We always have the better second half than the first half, so I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in that last year. In 2025, we did prune capital expenditures on a couple of larger projects that brought capital spending down. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in the working capital. It was well managed. We normally have better cash flow from that in the second half than we do in the first half, and this year will be no different.

Speaker #7: Well, we always have the better second half than the first half. So I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in that last year.

Jeff Martin: We always have the better second half than the first half, so I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in that last year. In 2025, we did prune capital expenditures on a couple of larger projects that brought capital spending down. I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in the working capital. It was well managed. We normally have better cash flow from that in the second half than we do in the first half, and this year will be no different.

Speaker #7: So, in 2025, we did prune capital expenditures on a couple of larger projects that brought capital spending down. But I don't think there was anything particularly unusual in the working capital.

Speaker #7: It was well managed. But we normally have better cash flow from that in the second half than we do in the first half, and this year will be no different.

Speaker #4: Okay. All right. That's all I have for now. Thanks very much.

Stephen Stewart: Okay. All right, that's all I have for now. Thanks very much.

Sean Stewart: Okay. All right, that's all I have for now. Thanks very much.

Speaker #7: No problem.

Geoffrey Martin: No problem.

Jeff Martin: No problem.

Speaker #3: Your next question is from Michael Glenn with Raymond James.

Operator: Your next question is from Michael Glen with Raymond James.

Speaker #4: Hey, good morning. Just to start, Jeff, would you talk about RFID? You characterized the industry in 2025 as somewhat muted. Would you say that that was something related to overall economic uncertainty, or have uptake rates for new RFID implementation been lower than expected?

Michael Glen: Hey, good morning.

Geoffrey Martin: Good morning.

Jeff Martin: Good morning.

Michael Glen: Just to start, Geoff, when you talked about RFID being, you characterized the industry in 2025 as somewhat muted. Would you say that that was something related to overall economic uncertainty or uptake rates for new RFID implementation have been lower than expected?

Speaker #7: Well, I think it's a phenomenon around apparel. So I think there's been so much inventory portion in the apparel supply chain because of the worry about tariffs.

Geoffrey Martin: No, I think it's a phenomenon around apparel. I think there's been so much inventory portion in the apparel supply chain because of the worry about tariffs. That's the kibosh on demand, on the manufacturing side of this apparel supply chain. You know, that can only happen for so long. Eventually, you have to have inventory, and we've certainly seen some uptick in orders in Q1. I think that was the main cause of the industry drop in the year of 2024, 2025 over 2024.

Jeff Martin: No, I think it's a phenomenon around apparel. I think there's been so much inventory portion in the apparel supply chain because of the worry about tariffs. That's the kibosh on demand, on the manufacturing side of this apparel supply chain. You know, that can only happen for so long. Eventually, you have to have inventory, and we've certainly seen some uptick in orders in Q1. I think that was the main cause of the industry drop in the year of 2024, 2025 over 2024.

Speaker #7: So that's the kibosh on demand on the manufacturing side of the apparel supply chain. It can only happen for so long. Eventually, you have to have inventory.

Speaker #7: And we certainly have seen some uptick in orders in Q1. So I think that was the main cause of the industry drop in the year of 2024, 2025 over 2024.

Speaker #4: And how would you— is there any characterization you can provide in terms of the use case for retailers with RFID? Are the use cases and the returns still as robust for RFID?

Michael Glen: Is there any characterization you can provide in terms of the use case for retailers with RFID? Does the use cases and the returns still as robust for RFID?

Speaker #7: Absolutely, yeah. I mean, I think it's becoming a ubiquitous technology in the apparel space, and in many other parts of the retail supply chain. Looking at RFID applications.

Geoffrey Martin: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think it's becoming a ubiquitous technology in the apparel space, and many other parts of the retail supply chain are looking at RFID applications. I think once apparel is still the, you know, the big gorilla on the farm, there's issues in that industry, it's bound to affect the overall industry. I think many applications are still growing outside of apparel, and I'm sure as the year progresses, we'll see volume growth return to something like it was historically.

Jeff Martin: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think it's becoming a ubiquitous technology in the apparel space, and many other parts of the retail supply chain are looking at RFID applications. I think once apparel is still the, you know, the big gorilla on the farm, there's issues in that industry, it's bound to affect the overall industry. I think many applications are still growing outside of apparel, and I'm sure as the year progresses, we'll see volume growth return to something like it was historically.

Speaker #7: So I think, once again, apparel is still the big gorilla on the farm. So if there are issues in that industry, it's bound to affect the overall industry.

Speaker #7: But I think many applications are still growing outside of apparel. And I'm sure as the year progresses, we'll see volume growth return to something like it was historically.

Speaker #4: Okay. And then just on label — so you referenced the software consumer environment in the press release. And we are seeing the muted overall volume numbers from some of your customers.

Michael Glen: Okay. Just on label. You referenced the softer consumer environment in the press release, and we are seeing the muted overall volume numbers from some of your customers. In this type of environment, are these customers, are they pushing CCL on price at all? Are they looking for anything additional from you right now? I'm just trying to understand that.

Speaker #4: So, in this type of environment, are these customers—are they pushing CCL on price at all? Are they looking for anything additional from you right now?

Speaker #4: I'm just trying to understand that.

Speaker #7: I think they're more focused on running their business than worrying about label supply. So I think the big question marks for most of our big CPG customers have been the alarm over the change in circumstances in some of the private equity-owned businesses that are out there.

Geoffrey Martin: I think they're more focused on running their business and worrying about label supply. I think the big question marks for most of our big CPG customers has been the alarming change of circumstance in some of the private equity-owned businesses that are out there. Every time you have security of supply concerns in the industry, that's favorable for us because we're the safe harbor. That's, that's certainly for us, offset what otherwise have been, I expect, a slower environment than we, than we've been able to enjoy. I think the other element you have to factor in, in Q4 was the very strong performance of CCL Design. Obviously there, that's not consumer packaged goods related. That certainly trumped some of the slowness we saw in parts of the CPG space.

Jeff Martin: I think they're more focused on running their business and worrying about label supply. I think the big question marks for most of our big CPG customers has been the alarming change of circumstance in some of the private equity-owned businesses that are out there. Every time you have security of supply concerns in the industry, that's favorable for us because we're the safe harbor. That's, that's certainly for us, offset what otherwise have been, I expect, a slower environment than we, than we've been able to enjoy. I think the other element you have to factor in, in Q4 was the very strong performance of CCL Design. Obviously there, that's not consumer packaged goods related. That certainly trumped some of the slowness we saw in parts of the CPG space.

Speaker #7: So every time you have security of supply concerns in the industry, that's favorable for us because we're the safe harbor. So that certainly, for us, offsets what otherwise has been, I expect, a slower environment than we've been able to enjoy.

Speaker #7: I think the other element you have to factor in in the Q4 was the very strong performance of CCL's Design. So, obviously, that's not consumer packaged goods related.

Speaker #7: So, that certainly trumped some of the slowness we saw in parts of the CPG space.

Speaker #4: Okay. And was that electronics or automotive in design? Electronics? Okay.

Michael Glen: Okay, that, was that electronics or automotive?

Geoffrey Martin: Correct.

Jeff Martin: Correct.

Michael Glen: -design? Electronics. Okay.

Geoffrey Martin: electronics, yeah.

Jeff Martin: electronics, yeah.

Speaker #7: Electronics, yeah.

Speaker #4: Okay. Thank you.

Michael Glen: Okay, thank you.

Speaker #3: Your next question for today is from David McFadden, with ATB Coremark.

Operator: Your next question for today is from David McFadden, with ATB Cormark.

David Brown: Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions. First of all, just start out on just on the balance sheets. Obviously, the leverage is quite low, and you're gonna be more active on buying back stock. Have you ever thought about just paying out a one-time special dividend just to get the leverage up to a more, I guess, reasonable level as opposed to being so low?

David McFadden: Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions. First of all, just start out on just on the balance sheets. Obviously, the leverage is quite low, and you're gonna be more active on buying back stock. Have you ever thought about just paying out a one-time special dividend just to get the leverage up to a more, I guess, reasonable level as opposed to being so low?

Speaker #8: Hi, thanks for taking my questions. A couple of questions. First of all, just to start out on the balance sheets. Obviously, the leverage is quite low.

Speaker #8: And you're going to be more active on buying back stock. Have you ever thought about just paying a one-time special dividend just to get the leverage up to a more, I guess, reasonable level, as opposed to being so low?

Speaker #7: If you looked at that in the past and concluded, in consultation with some shareholders, that buybacks are the preferred option.

Geoffrey Martin: We've looked at that in the past and concluded in co-consultation with some shareholders, that buyback is the preferred option.

Jeff Martin: We've looked at that in the past and concluded in co-consultation with some shareholders, that buyback is the preferred option.

Speaker #8: Okay, so then just on Avery, I was just wondering: what were the real factors there that drove the strength in the direct-to-consumer side of the business?

David Brown: Just on Avery, I was just wondering, what were the real factors there that drove the strength in the direct-to-consumer side of the business?

David McFadden: Just on Avery, I was just wondering, what were the real factors there that drove the strength in the direct-to-consumer side of the business?

Geoffrey Martin: Well, it's a channel that's growing, so it was, we print label product offering was particularly strong. That's labels for small businesses and consumers. That was particularly strong. Badges, conference badges, things like that. It's just a strong growth channel, and it's a low quarter for the legacy business. You see what Avery will look like in the future once these legacy product lines eventually find their way to their final resting point. And it was a low season for that part of the business. The mix moves to more growth categories than the ones that aren't growing so much.

Jeff Martin: Well, it's a channel that's growing, so it was, we print label product offering was particularly strong. That's labels for small businesses and consumers. That was particularly strong. Badges, conference badges, things like that. It's just a strong growth channel, and it's a low quarter for the legacy business. You see what Avery will look like in the future once these legacy product lines eventually find their way to their final resting point. And it was a low season for that part of the business. The mix moves to more growth categories than the ones that aren't growing so much.

Speaker #7: Well, it's a channel that's growing. So, it was—we print label product offering was particularly strong. That's labels for small businesses and consumers. That was particularly strong.

Speaker #7: Badges, conference badges, things like that—so it's just a strong growth channel. And it's a low quarter for the legacy business, so you see what Avery will look like in the future once these legacy product lines eventually find their way to their final resting point.

Speaker #7: And it was a low season for that part of the business. So the mix moves to more growth categories than the ones that aren't growing so much.

Speaker #8: Okay, so thank you. And just on RFID, just another question on that. You stated that you're looking for double-digit growth in 2026. Is that optimism really being driven by increased buildup in inventory at the retail side?

David Brown: Okay. So thank you. Just on RFID, just, you know, another question on that. You know, you stated that you're looking for double-digit growth in 2026. Is that optimism really being driven by increased buildup in inventory at the retail side, or are there some other factors that are driving that optimism?

David McFadden: Okay. So thank you. Just on RFID, just, you know, another question on that. You know, you stated that you're looking for double-digit growth in 2026. Is that optimism really being driven by increased buildup in inventory at the retail side, or are there some other factors that are driving that optimism?

Speaker #8: Or are there some other factors that are driving that optimism?

Geoffrey Martin: I think new applications in markets outside of apparel and the normalization of inventory to sales ratio in apparel. That ratio has certainly dipped in the last few quarters, driven by the tariff environment. Eventually, if you want to sell stuff, you have to have inventory. At some point, people have to build, and that's what we see beginning to happen. Beginning to happen. I wouldn't say it's back to normal yet, but we're encouraged by orders improving.

Speaker #7: I think new applications in markets outside of apparel and the normalization of inventory-to-sales ratio in apparel. So that ratio is certainly dipped. In the last few quarters, driven by the tariff environment.

Jeff Martin: I think new applications in markets outside of apparel and the normalization of inventory to sales ratio in apparel. That ratio has certainly dipped in the last few quarters, driven by the tariff environment. Eventually, if you want to sell stuff, you have to have inventory. At some point, people have to build, and that's what we see beginning to happen. Beginning to happen. I wouldn't say it's back to normal yet, but we're encouraged by orders improving.

Speaker #7: And eventually, if you want to sell stuff, you have to have inventory. So at some point, people have to build. And that's what we see beginning to happen, beginning to happen.

Speaker #7: I wouldn't say it's back to normal yet, but we're encouraged by orders improving.

Speaker #8: Okay. And then just lastly, obviously, you saw that the Supreme Court struck down the Trump administration's tariffs, and now they're engaging in other tariffs.

David Brown: Okay. Then, just lastly, you know, you know, obviously saw that, the Supreme Court struck down, the Trump administration's tariffs, and now they're engaging in other tariffs. I mean, what does this do to kind of the industry environment?

David McFadden: Okay. Then, just lastly, you know, you know, obviously saw that, the Supreme Court struck down, the Trump administration's tariffs, and now they're engaging in other tariffs. I mean, what does this do to kind of the industry environment?

Speaker #8: I mean, what does this do to, kind of, the industry environment?

Speaker #7: Well, it's not a lot different from what we went through last year, so time will tell.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, it's not a lot different from what we've been through last year. Time will tell.

Jeff Martin: Well, it's not a lot different from what we've been through last year. Time will tell.

Speaker #8: Okay. All right. Thank you.

David Brown: Okay. All right, thank you.

David McFadden: Okay. All right, thank you.

Speaker #3: Your next question is from Stephen McCloud with BMO Capital Markets.

Operator: Your next question is from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital Markets.

Stephen MacLeod: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning, guys.

Speaker #9: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning, guys. I just had a— Hey, Jeff. Just had a couple of follow-up questions, just with respect to the CCL segment overall.

Stephen MacLeod: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning, guys.

Geoffrey Martin: Yes, Steve.

Jeff Martin: Yes, Steve.

Stephen MacLeod: Hey, Jeff. Just had a couple of follow-up questions just with respect to the CCL segment overall. You know, you kind of talked about the ability to continue to generate low to mid single digit growth in 2026. I was just wondering, you know, how that might flow into your margin expectations for 2026?

Speaker #9: You kind of talked about the ability to continue to generate low-to-mid single-digit growth in 2026. And I was just wondering, how that might flow into your margin expectation for 2026?

Speaker #7: Well, it's always mix-driven. So it depends on which businesses are growing. Faster than others. But we're not expecting or planning for margin expansion this year.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, it's always mix driven, so it depends on which businesses are growing faster than others. We're not expecting or planning for margin expansion this year, so we'd expect it to see trading in the narrow range that it's traded historically. Of course, the quarter will be driven by mix.

Jeff Martin: Well, it's always mix driven, so it depends on which businesses are growing faster than others. We're not expecting or planning for margin expansion this year, so we'd expect it to see trading in the narrow range that it's traded historically. Of course, the quarter will be driven by mix.

Speaker #7: So we'd expect it to see trading in the narrower range that it's traded historically. And quarter to quarter, it'll be driven by mix.

Speaker #9: Right. Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then is there any way to quantify sort of the top-line impact from the freight disruptions you saw related to the snow impacts in January and February?

Stephen MacLeod: Right. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. Is there any way to quantify sort of the top-line impact from the freight disruptions you saw related to the snow impacts in January and February?

Geoffrey Martin: It's too early to tell. We don't have February's numbers yet, we'll have those in next week sometime. We know quite a few of our plants in the Northeast were obviously banged up shop on the day the snow came down, Monday and Tuesday, and we had two or three days similarly in the month of January. That's quite a lot compared to a normal winter. How much impact it'll have on sales, we'll have to wait and see how the quarter pans out.

Jeff Martin: It's too early to tell. We don't have February's numbers yet, we'll have those in next week sometime. We know quite a few of our plants in the Northeast were obviously banged up shop on the day the snow came down, Monday and Tuesday, and we had two or three days similarly in the month of January. That's quite a lot compared to a normal winter. How much impact it'll have on sales, we'll have to wait and see how the quarter pans out.

Speaker #7: It's too early to tell. We don't have February's numbers yet. So we'll have those in next week sometime. But we know a few of quite a few of our plants in the northeast are obviously banged up shop on the day the snow came down Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker #7: And we had two or three days similarly in the month of January. So that's quite a lot compared to a normal winter. But how much impact it'll have on sales, we'll have to wait and see how the quarter pans out.

Speaker #9: Yeah. Okay. That's helpful. And then I just wanted to I noted in the MD&A you had some specific commentary around growth in CCL Secure based on some polymer banknote demand as well as passport components.

Stephen MacLeod: Yeah. Okay. That's helpful. I just wanted to, I noted in the MD&A you had some specific commentary around growth in CCL Secure based on some polymer banknote demand as well as passport components. Is that a change relative to previous years? Like, is the demand environment increasing based on, you know, some of your, I guess, your visibility into your pipeline?

Speaker #9: Is that a change relative to previous years? Is the demand environment increasing based on some of your, I guess, your visibility into your pipeline?

Speaker #7: Yeah. Well, I would say the banknote industry is had a better year last year than it's had in a while. So we had a big boom in the COVID years, where there was a run-on cash and central banks orders like Billio.

Geoffrey Martin: Yeah. Well, I would say the banknote industry has had a better year last year than it's had in a while. We had a big boom in the COVID years, where there was a run on cash and central banks, orders like video. In the year of 2021, we had record ever performance in the industry as a whole, followed by 2 or 3 fallow years when all that inventory had to be eaten up. Right now, the demand in the industry is in quite good shape, and we've had some wins in conversions from paper to polymer. The optimism is much better than it's been for 2 or 3 years. Keep it in perspective, Steve, it's a CAD 230 million business.

Jeff Martin: Yeah. Well, I would say the banknote industry has had a better year last year than it's had in a while. We had a big boom in the COVID years, where there was a run on cash and central banks, orders like video. In the year of 2021, we had record ever performance in the industry as a whole, followed by 2 or 3 fallow years when all that inventory had to be eaten up. Right now, the demand in the industry is in quite good shape, and we've had some wins in conversions from paper to polymer. The optimism is much better than it's been for 2 or 3 years. Keep it in perspective, Steve, it's a CAD 230 million business.

Speaker #7: So in the year of 2021, we had record-ever performance industry as a whole. Followed by two or three fallow years. When all that inventory had to be eaten up.

Speaker #7: And right now, the demand in the industry is in quite good shape. And we've had some wins in conversions from paper to polymer. So it's the optimism is much better than it's been for two or three years.

Speaker #7: But keep it in perspective, Steve. It's a 230-odd million-dollar business.

Speaker #9: Yeah. Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe just finally, just for Sean on the 2026 components, can you just give some indication as to where you expect corporate costs to end up for '26?

Stephen MacLeod: Yeah. Okay, that's helpful. maybe just finally, just for Sean on the 2026 components, can you just give some indication as to where you expect corporate costs to end up for 2026?

Speaker #2: Oh, I'd expect it to be slightly higher a few million higher than '25.

David Brown: Well, I'd expect it to be slightly higher, CAD few million higher than CAD 25 million.

Sean Washchuk: Well, I'd expect it to be slightly higher, CAD few million higher than CAD 25 million.

Speaker #9: Okay. Okay. That's great. Okay. Perfect. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Stephen MacLeod: Okay. Okay, that's great. Okay, perfect. Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

Speaker #3: Your next question for today is from Daryl Young with Stifel.

Operator: Your next question for today is from Daryl Young with Stifel.

Speaker #9: Hey, good morning, everyone. Just with respect to the CapEx, it looks very stable into 2026. But I'm just wondering if there's any larger projects that are planned for 2027 and beyond or anything that would change your rate of free cash flow conversion because it's been exceptional.

Daryl Young: Hey, good morning, everyone. Just with respect to the CapEx looks very stable into 2026, I'm just wondering if there's any larger projects that are planned for 2027 and beyond, or anything that would change your rate of free cash flow conversion, because it's been exceptional.

Speaker #7: No. I think you can expect to see that number around 15, 5, and 6 percent of sales. So it may creep up to 6 if we have a lot of projects.

Geoffrey Martin: No, I think you can expect to see that number around 5%, between 5% and 6% of sales. It may creep up to 6% if we have a lot of projects, it may drop a bit, but it's something in the range of what you've seen of late.

Jeff Martin: No, I think you can expect to see that number around 5%, between 5% and 6% of sales. It may creep up to 6% if we have a lot of projects, it may drop a bit, but it's something in the range of what you've seen of late.

Speaker #7: It may drop a bit. But it's something in the range of what you've seen of late.

Speaker #9: Okay. Great. And then with regards to Inovia, margins obviously took a hit from the plant startup and maybe some noise around resin. But do you have a view on run rate margins can be in that business in the back half of '26 and onwards of sort of a run rate number for that?

Daryl Young: Okay, great. With regards to Innovia, margins obviously took a hit from the plant start up and maybe some noise around resin. Do you have a view on run rate margins can be in that business in the back half of 2026 and onwards of sort of a run rate number for that?

Speaker #7: No. Not really. It's a pass-through business, Daryl. So margins don't really mean anything. You have to look at absolute dollars of operating income or EBITDA.

Geoffrey Martin: Not really. It's a pass-through business, Daryl, margins don't really mean anything. You have to look at absolute dollars of operating income or EBITDA. We are certainly planning for improvements this year over last year. Beyond that, I couldn't comment.

Jeff Martin: Not really. It's a pass-through business, Daryl, margins don't really mean anything. You have to look at absolute dollars of operating income or EBITDA. We are certainly planning for improvements this year over last year. Beyond that, I couldn't comment.

Speaker #7: So we are certainly planning for improvements. This year, over last year, beyond that, I couldn't comment.

Speaker #9: Got it. Okay. Thanks very much.

Daryl Young: Got it. Okay, thanks very much.

Speaker #3: Your next question is from Arthur Nagorny with RBC.

Operator: Your next question is from Walter Spracklin with RBC.

Speaker #2: Hey, good morning. I just wanted to start with RFID. In your 10-K, you outlined plans for growth beyond apparel from the Mexico facility. Can you maybe lay out how that facility has been performing over the past few quarters, and what the growth opportunities could look like for next year?

Walter Spracklin: Hey, good morning. I just want to start with RFID. In your 10-K, you outlined plans for growth beyond apparel from the Mexico facility. Can you maybe lay out how that facility has been performing over the past few quarters and what the growth opportunities could look like for next year?

Arthur Nagorny: Hey, good morning. I just want to start with RFID. In your 10-K, you outlined plans for growth beyond apparel from the Mexico facility. Can you maybe lay out how that facility has been performing over the past few quarters and what the growth opportunities could look like for next year?

Speaker #7: Well, it's still in startup mode. So we're still installing equipment. That's pretty much finished at this point. And it's the main initiative. It's supporting currently is the Walmart general merchandise initiative.

Geoffrey Martin: Well, it's still in startup mode, so we're still installing equipment. That's pretty much finished at this point. It's the main initiative it's supporting currently is the Walmart General Merchandise Initiative. Walmart's mandated to a number of its suppliers, not in the grocery channel aisles, but in the non-grocery channel aisles, what they call general merchandise, and we're actively involved in that. That's been its main purpose so far, but it's working on a number of other applications, and we're certainly expecting that to grow as the year progresses.

Jeff Martin: Well, it's still in startup mode, so we're still installing equipment. That's pretty much finished at this point. It's the main initiative it's supporting currently is the Walmart General Merchandise Initiative. Walmart's mandated to a number of its suppliers, not in the grocery channel aisles, but in the non-grocery channel aisles, what they call general merchandise, and we're actively involved in that. That's been its main purpose so far, but it's working on a number of other applications, and we're certainly expecting that to grow as the year progresses.

Speaker #7: So Walmart's mandated to a number of its suppliers. Not in the grocery channel aisles, but in the non-grocery channel aisles. What they call general merchandise.

Speaker #7: And we're actively involved in that. That's been its main purpose so far. But it's working on a number of other applications. And we're certainly expecting that to grow as the year progresses.

Speaker #2: Okay. And then on Inovia, I think you noted customer demand as being slow. Are you seeing anything in this business line that's different from your other segments apart from the resin price pressures?

Walter Spracklin: Okay. Then on Innovia, I think you noted customer demand as being slow. Are you seeing anything in this business line that's different from your other segments, apart from the resin price pressures?

Arthur Nagorny: Okay. Then on Innovia, I think you noted customer demand as being slow. Are you seeing anything in this business line that's different from your other segments, apart from the resin price pressures?

Speaker #7: We've seen some good share gain for the EcoFloat films. So the sustainability films that we have for 360-degree decorated food and beverage containers. Seeing strong growth there.

Geoffrey Martin: We've seen some good share gain from the EcoFloat films. The sustainability films that we have for 360-degree decorated food and beverage containers, seeing strong growth there. Strong growth in In-Mould films, mainly from share gain. Those are the two areas of strong growth in Innovia.

Jeff Martin: We've seen some good share gain from the EcoFloat films. The sustainability films that we have for 360-degree decorated food and beverage containers, seeing strong growth there. Strong growth in In-Mould films, mainly from share gain. Those are the two areas of strong growth in Innovia.

Speaker #7: Strong growth in in-mold films. Mainly from share gain. So those are the two areas of strong growth in Inovia.

Speaker #2: All right. And then last one for me. Latin America was a bit of a soft spot this quarter in the CCL segment. Is there anything in particular that drove the decline there this quarter?

Walter Spracklin: All right, last one for me. Latin America was a bit of a soft spot this quarter in the CCL segment. Is there anything in particular that drove the decline there this quarter?

Arthur Nagorny: All right, last one for me. Latin America was a bit of a soft spot this quarter in the CCL segment. Is there anything in particular that drove the decline there this quarter?

Speaker #7: Foreign exchange. So the foreign exchange environment in Mexico and Brazil has been pretty volatile. So that sometimes has impact on imported raw materials, especially in Brazil.

Geoffrey Martin: Foreign exchange. The foreign exchange environment in Mexico and Brazil has been pretty volatile, so that sometimes has impacts on imported raw materials, especially in Brazil. The volatility of foreign exchange has been the challenge in that part of the world. It can go the other way. In 2024, we had the same volatility, but it worked in our favor. Last year, it worked against us.

Jeff Martin: Foreign exchange. The foreign exchange environment in Mexico and Brazil has been pretty volatile, so that sometimes has impacts on imported raw materials, especially in Brazil. The volatility of foreign exchange has been the challenge in that part of the world. It can go the other way. In 2024, we had the same volatility, but it worked in our favor. Last year, it worked against us.

Speaker #7: So the volatility of foreign exchange has been the challenge in that part of the world. So it can go the other way. So in 2024, we had the same volatility, but it worked in our favor.

Speaker #7: Last year, it worked against us.

Speaker #2: Perfect. Thank you.

Walter Spracklin: Perfect. Thank you.

Arthur Nagorny: Perfect. Thank you.

Speaker #3: Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. We have reached the end of the question and answer session.

Operator: Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one. We have reached the end of the question and answer session, and I will now turn the call over to Geoffrey Martin for closing remarks.

Speaker #3: And I will now turn the call over to Jeff Martin for closing remarks.

Speaker #7: Thank you, Holly. And thank you, everybody, for joining the call. We'll look forward to seeing you in May, where hopefully, we'll have sunnier times.

Geoffrey Martin: Thank you, Holly, and thank you everybody for joining the call. We'll look forward to seeing you in May, where hopefully we'll have sunnier times. Thank you very much.

Jeff Martin: Thank you, Holly, and thank you everybody for joining the call. We'll look forward to seeing you in May, where hopefully we'll have sunnier times. Thank you very much.

Speaker #7: Thank you very much.

Operator: This concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.

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