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Q4 2025 UBS Group AG Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the UBS Q4 2025 results presentation. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the UBS Q4 2025 results presentation. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and 1 on your telephone. Should you need operator assistance, please press star and 0. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sarah Mackey, UBS Investor Relations. Please go ahead, madam.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, good morning. Welcome to the UBS Q4 2025 results presentation. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and 1 on your telephone. Should you need operator assistance, please press star and 0. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sarah Mackey, UBS Investor Relations. Please go ahead, madam.
Speaker #1: Should you need operator assistance, please press star and zero. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Sarah Mackey, UBS Investor Relations.
Speaker #1: Please go ahead, madam.
Speaker #2: Good morning and welcome, everyone. Before we start, I would like to draw your attention to a cautionary statement slide at the back of today’s results presentation.
Sarah Mackey: Good morning and welcome, everyone. Before we start, I would like to draw your attention to our cautionary statement slide at the back of today's results presentation. Please also refer to the risk factors included in our annual report together with additional disclosures in our SEC filings. Throughout our remarks, we will refer to underlying results in US dollars and make year-over-year comparisons unless stated otherwise. On slide 2, you can see our agenda for today. Todd will first cover fourth quarter and full-year results, then Sergio and Todd will take you through our investor update before moving to Q&A. It's now my pleasure to hand over to Todd Tuckner, Group CFO.
Sarah Mackey: Good morning and welcome, everyone. Before we start, I would like to draw your attention to our cautionary statement slide at the back of today's results presentation. Please also refer to the risk factors included in our annual report together with additional disclosures in our SEC filings. Throughout our remarks, we will refer to underlying results in US dollars and make year-over-year comparisons unless stated otherwise. On slide 2, you can see our agenda for today.
Please also refer to the risk factors included in our annual report, together with additional disclosures in our SEC filings. Throughout our remarks, we will refer to underlying results in US dollars and make year-over-year comparisons unless stated otherwise.
Speaker #2: On slide two, you can see our agenda for today. Todd will first cover fourth quarter and full year results. Then Sergio and Todd will take you through our investor update before moving to Q&A.
Sarah Mackey: Todd will first cover fourth quarter and full-year results, then Sergio and Todd will take you through our investor update before moving to Q&A. It's now my pleasure to hand over to Todd Tuckner, Group CFO.
Speaker #2: It's now my pleasure to hand over to Todd Tuckner, Group
Speaker #2: CFO. Thank you, Sarah.
Todd Tuckner: Thank you, Sarah, and good morning, everyone. Discipline execution in Q4 underpinned a strong year of financial performance as we continue to progress towards our post-integration profitability targets. In the quarter, we delivered reported net profit of CHF 1.2 billion and earnings per share of CHF 0.37, while group invested assets exceeded CHF 7 trillion. Underlying pre-tax profit was CHF 2.9 billion, up 62% year-over-year, as continued revenue momentum in our core franchises and cost discipline across the group resulted in 9 percentage points of positive jaws. Total revenues increased 10% versus the prior year, driven primarily by strong top-line growth in both global wealth management and the investment bank, as we leveraged our competitive strengths and unrivaled geographic footprint to capture opportunities in broadly constructive market conditions. We delivered a further CHF 700 million in gross cost saves, reflecting steady progress in decommissioning technology, integrating functions, and reducing third-party spend.
Todd Tuckner: Thank you, Sarah, and good morning, everyone. Discipline execution in Q4 underpinned a strong year of financial performance as we continue to progress towards our post-integration profitability targets. In the quarter, we delivered reported net profit of CHF 1.2 billion and earnings per share of CHF 0.37, while group invested assets exceeded CHF 7 trillion. Underlying pre-tax profit was CHF 2.9 billion, up 62% year-over-year, as continued revenue momentum in our core franchises and cost discipline across the group resulted in 9 percentage points of positive jaws.
Speaker #3: And good morning, everyone. Discipline execution in the fourth quarter underpinned a strong year of financial performance as we continue to progress towards our post-integration profitability targets.
Speaker #3: In the quarter, we delivered reported net profit of 1.2 billion and earnings per share of 37 cents, while group invested assets exceeded 7 trillion.
Speaker #3: Underlying pre-tax profit was 2.9 billion, up 62% year-over-year, as continued revenue momentum in our core franchises and cost discipline across the group resulted in 9 percentage points of positive jaws.
Todd Tuckner: Total revenues increased 10% versus the prior year, driven primarily by strong top-line growth in both global wealth management and the investment bank, as we leveraged our competitive strengths and unrivaled geographic footprint to capture opportunities in broadly constructive market conditions. We delivered a further CHF 700 million in gross cost saves, reflecting steady progress in decommissioning technology, integrating functions, and reducing third-party spend.
Speaker #3: Total revenues increased 10% versus the prior year, driven primarily by strong top-line growth in both global wealth management and the investment bank. As we leveraged our competitive strengths and unrivaled geographic footprint to capture opportunities in broadly constructive market conditions.
Speaker #3: We delivered a further, reflecting steady progress, $700 million in gross cost saves in decommissioning technology, integrating functions, and reducing third-party spend. Total operating expenses were 1% higher, with realized synergies largely offset by higher variable compensation accruals on the back of stronger revenues.
Todd Tuckner: Total operating expenses were 1% higher, with realized synergies largely offset by higher variable compensation accruals on the back of stronger revenues. Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, costs declined 7%. Taken together, sustained execution combined with disciplined cost and balance sheet management drove further improvement in our underlying metrics during the quarter, including a cost-income ratio of 75% and a return on CET1 capital of 11.9%. We remain on track to deliver on our key integration milestones, including completing the Swiss Booking Client Center migrations by the end of this quarter, an important enabler to achieve the remainder of our cost savings through the end of 2026. Moving to slide 4. With underlying pre-tax profit growth across our businesses, we closed the year on a strong note and sustained the consistent performance delivered throughout 2025.
Todd Tuckner: Total operating expenses were 1% higher, with realized synergies largely offset by higher variable compensation accruals on the back of stronger revenues. Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, costs declined 7%. Taken together, sustained execution combined with disciplined cost and balance sheet management drove further improvement in our underlying metrics during the quarter, including a cost-income ratio of 75% and a return on CET1 capital of 11.9%.
Speaker #3: Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, costs declined 7%. Taken together, sustained execution combined with disciplined cost and balance sheet management drove further improvement in our underlying metrics during the quarter, including a cost-income ratio of 75% and a return on seed to own capital of 11.9%.
Speaker #3: We remain on track to deliver on our key integration milestones, including completing the Swiss booking client center migrations by the end of this quarter—an important enabler to achieve the remainder of our cost savings through the end of 2026.
Todd Tuckner: We remain on track to deliver on our key integration milestones, including completing the Swiss Booking Client Center migrations by the end of this quarter, an important enabler to achieve the remainder of our cost savings through the end of 2026. Moving to slide 4. With underlying pre-tax profit growth across our businesses, we closed the year on a strong note and sustained the consistent performance delivered throughout 2025.
Speaker #3: Moving to slide four, with underlying pre-tax profit growth across our businesses, we closed the year on a strong note and sustained the consistent performance delivered throughout 2025.
Speaker #3: This quarter, we once again leveraged the strength of our business model, powered by our international scale, deep client connectivity, and differentiated capabilities to help clients navigate an environment marked by complexity and unpredictability.
Todd Tuckner: This quarter, we once again leveraged the strength of our business model, powered by our international scale, deep client connectivity, and differentiated capabilities, to help clients navigate an environment marked by complexity and unpredictability. On a reported basis, revenues included net negative adjustments of CHF 54 million, primarily reflecting a net loss of CHF 457 million from the November buyback of CHF 8.5 billion of legacy Credit Suisse debt instruments that were issued at distressed spreads prior to the acquisition, offset by other merger-related PPA adjustments. Buying back this expensive legacy debt early and replacing it with low-cost funding is not only NPV accretive but will also benefit the net interest income of GWM and P&C in the coming years and reduce the net funding drag in NCL.
Todd Tuckner: This quarter, we once again leveraged the strength of our business model, powered by our international scale, deep client connectivity, and differentiated capabilities, to help clients navigate an environment marked by complexity and unpredictability. On a reported basis, revenues included net negative adjustments of CHF 54 million, primarily reflecting a net loss of CHF 457 million from the November buyback of CHF 8.5 billion of legacy Credit Suisse debt instruments that were issued at distressed spreads prior to the acquisition, offset by other merger-related PPA adjustments.
Speaker #3: On a reported basis, revenues included net negative adjustments of 54 million were primarily reflecting a net loss of 457 million from the November buyback of 8.5 billion of legacy Credit Suisse debt instruments that were issued at distressed spreads prior to the acquisition.
Speaker #3: Offset by other merger-related PPA adjustments. Buying back this expensive legacy debt early and replacing it with low-cost funding is not only NPV-accretive, but will also benefit the net interest income of GWM and P&C in the coming years and reduce the net funding drag in NCL.
Todd Tuckner: Buying back this expensive legacy debt early and replacing it with low-cost funding is not only NPV accretive but will also benefit the net interest income of GWM and P&C in the coming years and reduce the net funding drag in NCL.
Speaker #3: Integration-related expenses were $1.1 billion, reflecting the continued high intensity of the Swiss client account migration and ongoing work across the group to deliver key integration milestones.
Todd Tuckner: Integration-related expenses were CHF 1.1 billion, reflecting the continued high intensity of the Swiss client account migration and ongoing work across the group to deliver key integration milestones. The effective tax rate in the quarter was 29% and 12% for the full year 2025. Turning to our balance sheet on slide 5. As of year-end, our balance sheet for all seasons consisted of CHF 1.6 trillion in total assets, down CHF 15 billion versus the end of Q3, primarily reflecting the liability management exercise just mentioned and net redemptions of other long-term debt. Credit-impaired exposures remained stable quarter-over-quarter at 90 basis points, while the annualized cost of risk was 9 basis points, reflecting the quality and nature of our lending book. Group credit loss expense was CHF 159 million, mainly relating to credit-impaired positions in our Swiss business.
Todd Tuckner: Integration-related expenses were CHF 1.1 billion, reflecting the continued high intensity of the Swiss client account migration and ongoing work across the group to deliver key integration milestones. The effective tax rate in the quarter was 29% and 12% for the full year 2025. Turning to our balance sheet on slide 5. As of year-end, our balance sheet for all seasons consisted of CHF 1.6 trillion in total assets, down CHF 15 billion versus the end of Q3, primarily reflecting the liability management exercise just mentioned and net redemptions of other long-term debt.
Speaker #3: The effective tax rate in the quarter was 29%, and 12% for the full year 2025. Turning to our balance sheet on slide five, as of year-end, our balance sheet for all seasons consisted of $1.6 trillion in total assets, down $15 billion versus the end of the third quarter, primarily reflecting the liability management exercise just mentioned and net redemptions of other long-term debt.
Todd Tuckner: Credit-impaired exposures remained stable quarter-over-quarter at 90 basis points, while the annualized cost of risk was 9 basis points, reflecting the quality and nature of our lending book. Group credit loss expense was CHF 159 million, mainly relating to credit-impaired positions in our Swiss business.
Speaker #3: Credit-impaired exposures remain stable quarter-on-quarter at 90 basis points, while the annualized cost of risk was 9 basis points, reflecting the quality and nature of our lending book.
Speaker #3: Group credit loss expense was $159 million, mainly relating to credit-impaired positions in our Swiss business. Our tangible book value per share grew sequentially by 1% to $26.93, primarily from our net profit, which was partly offset by share repurchases.
Todd Tuckner: Our tangible book value per share grew sequentially by 1% to $26.93, primarily from our net profit, which was partly offset by share repurchases. Overall, we continue to operate with a highly fortified and resilient balance sheet, with total loss-absorbing capacity of CHF 187 billion, a net stable funding ratio of 116%, and a liquidity coverage ratio of 183%. Looking ahead, we expect our LCR to remain around this level, reflecting both the prudent buffers we have long maintained and the more stringent Swiss liquidity requirements, which were fully phased in by the end of 2024 and which are more onerous than those in other jurisdictions. Maintaining this resilience requires holding additional HQLA, and we will continue to manage the associated carry and balance sheet impact with discipline. Turning to capital on slide 6.
Todd Tuckner: Our tangible book value per share grew sequentially by 1% to $26.93, primarily from our net profit, which was partly offset by share repurchases. Overall, we continue to operate with a highly fortified and resilient balance sheet, with total loss-absorbing capacity of CHF 187 billion, a net stable funding ratio of 116%, and a liquidity coverage ratio of 183%.
Speaker #3: Overall, we continue to operate with a highly fortified and resilient balance sheet, with total loss-absorbing capacity of $187 billion, a net stable funding ratio of 116%, and a liquidity coverage ratio of 183%.
Speaker #3: Looking ahead, we expect our LCR to remain around this level, with buffers we have long maintained and reflecting both prudent and more stringent Swiss liquidity requirements, which were fully phased in by the end of 2024 and which are more onerous than those in other jurisdictions.
Todd Tuckner: Looking ahead, we expect our LCR to remain around this level, reflecting both the prudent buffers we have long maintained and the more stringent Swiss liquidity requirements, which were fully phased in by the end of 2024 and which are more onerous than those in other jurisdictions. Maintaining this resilience requires holding additional HQLA, and we will continue to manage the associated carry and balance sheet impact with discipline. Turning to capital on slide 6.
Speaker #3: Maintaining this resilience requires holding additional HQLA, and we will continue to manage the associated carry and balance sheet impact with discipline. Turning to capital on slide six, our CET1 capital ratio at the end of December was 14.4%, and our CET1 leverage ratio was 4.4%, both lower sequentially and closer to our targets of around 14% and above 4%, respectively.
Todd Tuckner: Our CET1 capital ratio at the end of December was 14.4%, and our CET1 leverage ratio was 4.4%, both lower sequentially and closer to our targets of around 14% and above 4%, respectively. The sequential decreases largely reflect a reduction in CET1 capital, as strong operational performance was more than offset by accruals for shareholder returns of CHF 4.1 billion. Of this amount, CHF 3 billion relates to intended share repurchases in 2026, which we'll cover later in more detail. A further CHF 1.1 billion relates to the full year 2025 ordinary dividend, which, at $1.10 per share, is up 22% on last year. CET1 capital also decreased by around CHF 0.5 billion due to the liability management exercise. Turning to UBS AG. During Q4, the parent bank standalone fully applied CET1 capital ratio increased to 14.2%, up sequentially from 13.3%.
Todd Tuckner: Our CET1 capital ratio at the end of December was 14.4%, and our CET1 leverage ratio was 4.4%, both lower sequentially and closer to our targets of around 14% and above 4%, respectively. The sequential decreases largely reflect a reduction in CET1 capital, as strong operational performance was more than offset by accruals for shareholder returns of CHF 4.1 billion. Of this amount, CHF 3 billion relates to intended share repurchases in 2026, which we'll cover later in more detail. A further CHF 1.1 billion relates to the full year 2025 ordinary dividend, which, at $1.10 per share, is up 22% on last year.
Speaker #3: The sequential decreases largely reflect a reduction in CET1 capital, as strong operational performance was more than offset by accruals for shareholder returns of $4.1 billion. Of this amount, $3 billion relates to intended share repurchases in 2026, which we'll cover later in more detail.
Speaker #3: A further 1.1 billion relates to the full year 2025 ordinary dividend which at $1.10 per share is up 22% on last year. CET1 capital also decreased by around 0.5 billion due to the liability management exercise.
Todd Tuckner: CET1 capital also decreased by around CHF 0.5 billion due to the liability management exercise. Turning to UBS AG. During Q4, the parent bank standalone fully applied CET1 capital ratio increased to 14.2%, up sequentially from 13.3%.
Speaker #3: Turning to UBS AG, during the fourth quarter the parent bank's standalone fully applied CET1 capital ratio increased to 14.2% up sequentially from 13.3%. This increase largely reflects 9 billion of capital upstream from subsidiaries following strong integration progress including in further running down NCL which enabled those entities to release surplus capital on an accelerated timeline.
Todd Tuckner: This increase largely reflects CHF 9 billion of capital upstream from subsidiaries, following strong integration progress, including in further running down NCL, which enabled those entities to release surplus capital on an accelerated timeline. Of the total, Credit Suisse International in the UK paid up around CHF 4 billion, while around CHF 3 billion was repatriated from the US IHC. The remainder was paid by other foreign subsidiaries around the group. Collectively, these distributions increased the parent bank's equity by around CHF 2 billion and reduced its investments in subsidiaries by around CHF 6.5 billion, resulting in a CHF 26 billion reduction in risk-weighted assets, driving up its capital ratio. By year-end, we expect another CHF 3 billion of capital to be returned predominantly from UBS AG's UK subsidiaries as we finalize the unwinding of positions in those former Credit Suisse entities.
Todd Tuckner: This increase largely reflects CHF 9 billion of capital upstream from subsidiaries, following strong integration progress, including in further running down NCL, which enabled those entities to release surplus capital on an accelerated timeline. Of the total, Credit Suisse International in the UK paid up around CHF 4 billion, while around CHF 3 billion was repatriated from the US IHC. The remainder was paid by other foreign subsidiaries around the group.
Speaker #3: Of the total, Credit Suisse International in the UK paid up around $4 billion, while around $3 billion was repatriated from the US IHC. The remainder was paid by other foreign subsidiaries around the group.
Speaker #3: Collectively, these distributions increased the parent bank's equity by around 2 billion and reduced its investments in subsidiaries by around 6.5 billion resulting in a 26 billion reduction in risk-weighted assets.
Todd Tuckner: Collectively, these distributions increased the parent bank's equity by around CHF 2 billion and reduced its investments in subsidiaries by around CHF 6.5 billion, resulting in a CHF 26 billion reduction in risk-weighted assets, driving up its capital ratio. By year-end, we expect another CHF 3 billion of capital to be returned predominantly from UBS AG's UK subsidiaries as we finalize the unwinding of positions in those former Credit Suisse entities.
Speaker #3: Driving up its capital ratio. By year-end, we expect another $3 billion of capital to be returned, predominantly from UBS AG's UK subsidiaries, as we finalize the unwinding of positions in those former Credit Suisse entities.
Speaker #3: In addition, the US IHC can be expected to repatriate around 2 billion of additional capital by 2028 as it progresses back towards its pre-acquisition CET1 capital ratio.
Todd Tuckner: In addition, the US IHC can be expected to repatriate around CHF 2 billion of additional capital by 2028 as it progresses back towards its pre-acquisition CET1 capital ratio. UBS AG's Q4 CET1 capital ratio also reflected an incremental accrual of CHF 1 billion of dividends, bringing the full year 2025 total to CHF 9 billion. As in 2025, the parent bank is expected to upstream half of that total during the first half of 2026 to fund group shareholder returns, and has the option to distribute the second half in the latter part of the year depending on Swiss capital framework developments. Finally, with dollar Swiss at around current levels, we expect to continue pacing intercompany dividends to maintain prudent capital buffers and manage FX-driven headwinds on leverage ratios across group entities.
Todd Tuckner: In addition, the US IHC can be expected to repatriate around CHF 2 billion of additional capital by 2028 as it progresses back towards its pre-acquisition CET1 capital ratio. UBS AG's Q4 CET1 capital ratio also reflected an incremental accrual of CHF 1 billion of dividends, bringing the full year 2025 total to CHF 9 billion. As in 2025, the parent bank is expected to upstream half of that total during the first half of 2026 to fund group shareholder returns, and has the option to distribute the second half in the latter part of the year depending on Swiss capital framework developments.
Speaker #3: UBS AG's fourth quarter CET1 capital ratio also reflected an incremental accrual of $1 billion of dividends, bringing the full year 2025 total to $9 billion.
Speaker #3: As in 2025, the parent bank is expected to upstream half of that total during the first half of 2026 to fund group shareholder returns, and has the option to distribute the second half in the latter part of the year depending on Swiss capital framework developments.
Todd Tuckner: Finally, with dollar Swiss at around current levels, we expect to continue pacing intercompany dividends to maintain prudent capital buffers and manage FX-driven headwinds on leverage ratios across group entities.
Speaker #3: Finally, with dollar-Swiss at around current levels, we expect to continue pacing intercompany dividends to maintain prudent capital buffers and manage FX-driven headwinds on leverage ratios across group entities.
Speaker #3: As a result, we now expect UBS AG to operate with a standalone CET1 capital ratio of around 14% for the foreseeable future, while we still aim to maintain the group equity double leverage ratio near 100%.
Todd Tuckner: As a result, we now expect UBS AG to operate with a standalone CET1 capital ratio of around 14% for the foreseeable future, while we still aim to maintain the group equity double leverage ratio near 100%. At the end of 2025, the group equity double leverage ratio was 104%, down 5 percentage points compared to the end of Q2. Turning to our business divisions and starting with Global Wealth Management on slide 7. For the quarter, GWM delivered pre-tax profit of CHF 1.6 billion, up from CHF 1.1 billion in the prior year as revenues increased by 11%. Invested assets reached CHF 4.8 trillion. For the full year, GWM generated pre-tax profits excluding litigation of CHF 6.1 billion, up 23%, with a cost-income ratio of 75.6%, improving by more than 3 percentage points.
Todd Tuckner: As a result, we now expect UBS AG to operate with a standalone CET1 capital ratio of around 14% for the foreseeable future, while we still aim to maintain the group equity double leverage ratio near 100%. At the end of 2025, the group equity double leverage ratio was 104%, down 5 percentage points compared to the end of Q2. Turning to our business divisions and starting with Global Wealth Management on slide 7. For the quarter, GWM delivered pre-tax profit of CHF 1.6 billion, up from CHF 1.1 billion in the prior year as revenues increased by 11%. Invested assets reached CHF 4.8 trillion.
Speaker #3: At the end of 2025, the group equity double leverage ratio was 104%, down 5 percentage points compared to the end of the second quarter.
Speaker #3: Turning to our business divisions and starting with Global Wealth Management on slide seven, for the quarter, GWM delivered pre-tax profit of $1.6 billion, up from $1.1 billion in the prior year, as revenues increased by 11%.
Speaker #3: Invested assets reached 4.8 trillion for the full year. GWM generated pre-tax profits excluding litigation of 6.1 billion up 23% with a cost-income ratio of 75.6% improving by more than 3 percentage points.
Todd Tuckner: For the full year, GWM generated pre-tax profits excluding litigation of CHF 6.1 billion, up 23%, with a cost-income ratio of 75.6%, improving by more than 3 percentage points.
Speaker #3: All four GWM regions grew pre-tax profits in 2025, with each generating around $1.5 billion excluding litigation, underscoring the strength and diversification of the world's only truly global wealth manager.
Todd Tuckner: All four GWM regions grew pre-tax profits in 2025, with each generating around CHF 1.5 billion excluding litigation, underscoring the strength and diversification of the world's only truly global wealth manager. In the Americas, fourth quarter pre-tax profit increased by 32%, with a pre-tax margin of 13%, up 2 percentage points year-over-year, capping a year in which profits grew by 34%. EMEA delivered pre-tax profit growth of 27%, supported by strong transaction-based revenues and ongoing cost discipline, driving a 19% increase for the full year. Asia Pacific sustained its strong momentum, delivering pre-tax profit growth of 24% in the quarter and 30% for the full year, its first following completion of the Credit Suisse client migration in 2024, reinforcing the region's significant runway for continued growth.
Todd Tuckner: All four GWM regions grew pre-tax profits in 2025, with each generating around CHF 1.5 billion excluding litigation, underscoring the strength and diversification of the world's only truly global wealth manager. In the Americas, fourth quarter pre-tax profit increased by 32%, with a pre-tax margin of 13%, up 2 percentage points year-over-year, capping a year in which profits grew by 34%. EMEA delivered pre-tax profit growth of 27%, supported by strong transaction-based revenues and ongoing cost discipline, driving a 19% increase for the full year.
Speaker #3: In the Americas, fourth quarter pre-tax profit increased by 32% with a pre-tax margin of 13% up 2 percentage points year over year capping a year in which profits grew by 34%.
Speaker #3: EMEA delivered pre-tax profit growth of 27%, supported by strong transaction-based revenues and ongoing cost discipline, driving a 19% increase for the full year. Asia Pacific sustained its strong momentum, delivering pre-tax profit growth of 24% in the quarter and 30% for the full year—its first following completion of the Credit Suisse client migration in 2024.
Todd Tuckner: Asia Pacific sustained its strong momentum, delivering pre-tax profit growth of 24% in the quarter and 30% for the full year, its first following completion of the Credit Suisse client migration in 2024, reinforcing the region's significant runway for continued growth.
Speaker #3: Reinforcing the region's significant runway for continued growth. In Switzerland, pre-tax profit declined 4% in the quarter amid net interest income headwinds but increased 2% for the full year on strong growth in non-NII revenue.
Todd Tuckner: In Switzerland, pre-tax profit declined 4% in the quarter amid net interest income headwinds, but increased 2% for the full year on strong growth in non-NII revenue. Moving to flows for the quarter. Net new assets were CHF 8.5 billion, with CHF 23 billion of inflows across EMEA, Asia Pacific, and Switzerland, partially offset by outflows of CHF 14 billion in the Americas, primarily reflecting net recruiting-related impacts. For the full year 2025, we generated net new assets of CHF 101 billion, representing 2.4% growth. We delivered this while absorbing the expected temporary flow headwinds from strategic actions taken to support higher pre-tax margins and enhance our return on equity. Net new fee-generating assets were CHF 9 billion, with Asia Pacific delivering 10% annualized growth. Mandate penetration was up for the fourth consecutive quarter, with our MyWay discretionary solution being a strong driver, nearly doubling invested assets year over year to over CHF 30 billion.
Todd Tuckner: In Switzerland, pre-tax profit declined 4% in the quarter amid net interest income headwinds, but increased 2% for the full year on strong growth in non-NII revenue. Moving to flows for the quarter. Net new assets were CHF 8.5 billion, with CHF 23 billion of inflows across EMEA, Asia Pacific, and Switzerland, partially offset by outflows of CHF 14 billion in the Americas, primarily reflecting net recruiting-related impacts. For the full year 2025, we generated net new assets of CHF 101 billion, representing 2.4% growth.
Speaker #3: Quarter net new assets: EMEA, APAC, and Switzerland saw inflows, partially offset by outflows in the Americas. This primarily reflects net recruiting. Moving to flows for the related impacts.
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025, we generated net new assets of $101 billion, representing 2.4% growth. We delivered this while absorbing the expected temporary flow headwinds from strategic actions taken to support higher pre-tax margins and enhance our return on equity.
Todd Tuckner: We delivered this while absorbing the expected temporary flow headwinds from strategic actions taken to support higher pre-tax margins and enhance our return on equity. Net new fee-generating assets were CHF 9 billion, with Asia Pacific delivering 10% annualized growth. Mandate penetration was up for the fourth consecutive quarter, with our MyWay discretionary solution being a strong driver, nearly doubling invested assets year over year to over CHF 30 billion.
Speaker #3: Net new fee-generating assets were $9 billion, with APAC delivering 10% annualized growth. Mandate penetration was up for the fourth consecutive quarter, with our My Way discretionary solution being a strong driver.
Speaker #3: Assets year over year, to over nearly doubling, invested $30 billion. Net new deposits were broadly flat in the quarter, with an observable mix shift towards non-maturing balances supporting our deposit margin as we look forward.
Todd Tuckner: Net new deposits were broadly flat in the quarter, with an observable mix shift towards non-maturing balances supporting our deposit margin as we look forward. Net new loans were CHF 5 billion as demand strengthened, particularly in Lombard and securities-based lending, supported by lower rates. In the Americas, loan balances grew for the seventh consecutive quarter, demonstrating continued progress in enhancing our banking platform. Moving to the revenue lines, recurring net fee income rose 9% to CHF 3.6 billion as fee-generating assets grew to CHF 2.1 trillion. Transaction-based revenues were CHF 1.2 billion, up 20%, driven by strength in structured products and cash equities. Close collaboration between GWM and the investment bank remains a key differentiator, enabling us to deliver tailored, structured solutions at scale and deepen the value we bring to our wealth clients.
Todd Tuckner: Net new deposits were broadly flat in the quarter, with an observable mix shift towards non-maturing balances supporting our deposit margin as we look forward. Net new loans were CHF 5 billion as demand strengthened, particularly in Lombard and securities-based lending, supported by lower rates. In the Americas, loan balances grew for the seventh consecutive quarter, demonstrating continued progress in enhancing our banking platform. Moving to the revenue lines, recurring net fee income rose 9% to CHF 3.6 billion as fee-generating assets grew to CHF 2.1 trillion.
Speaker #3: Billion as demand strengthened. Net new loans were $5 billion, particularly in Lombard and securities-based lending, supported by lower rates. In the Americas, loan balances grew for the seventh consecutive quarter, demonstrating continued progress in enhancing our banking platform.
Speaker #3: Revenue lines, recurring net fee income rose 9% to $3.6 billion as fee-generating assets grew to $2.1 trillion, up 20%, driven by strength in structured products and cash equities. Transaction-based revenues were $1.2 billion.
Todd Tuckner: Transaction-based revenues were CHF 1.2 billion, up 20%, driven by strength in structured products and cash equities. Close collaboration between GWM and the investment bank remains a key differentiator, enabling us to deliver tailored, structured solutions at scale and deepen the value we bring to our wealth clients.
Speaker #3: Close collaboration between GWM and the investment bank remains a key differentiator, enabling us to deliver tailored structured solutions at scale and deepen the value we bring to our wealth clients.
Speaker #3: Net interest income was $1.7 billion, up 3% year on year and 4% sequentially, reflecting higher average loan and deposit volumes as well as a more favorable deposit mix.
Todd Tuckner: Net interest income was CHF 1.7 billion, up 3% year-over-year and 4% sequentially, reflecting higher average loan and deposit volumes as well as a more favorable deposit mix. For the first quarter, we expect a low single-digit percentage decline in NII as positive loan volume and deposit mix effects are expected to be more than offset by day count and deposit rates. For the full year, we expect GWM net interest income to increase by low single digits year-over-year, driven by strong loan growth, support from the November liability management exercise, and an improved deposit mix, more than offsetting deposit margin compression in lower-rate currencies. Underlying operating expenses increased 4% versus the prior year quarter, driven primarily by higher production-linked compensation. Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, cost declined 2%. Turning to personal and corporate banking on slide 8.
Todd Tuckner: Net interest income was CHF 1.7 billion, up 3% year-over-year and 4% sequentially, reflecting higher average loan and deposit volumes as well as a more favorable deposit mix. For the first quarter, we expect a low single-digit percentage decline in NII as positive loan volume and deposit mix effects are expected to be more than offset by day count and deposit rates. For the full year, we expect GWM net interest income to increase by low single digits year-over-year, driven by strong loan growth,
Speaker #3: For the first quarter, we expect a low NII, as positive loan volume and deposit mix effects are expected to be more than offset by day count and deposit rates.
Speaker #3: For the full year, we expect GWM net interest income to increase by low single digits year over year, driven by strong loan growth support from the November liability management exercise and an improved deposit mix, more than offsetting deposit margin compression in lower rate currencies.
Todd Tuckner: support from the November liability management exercise, and an improved deposit mix, more than offsetting deposit margin compression in lower-rate currencies. Underlying operating expenses increased 4% versus the prior year quarter, driven primarily by higher production-linked compensation. Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, cost declined 2%. Turning to personal and corporate banking on slide 8.
Speaker #3: Underlying operating expenses increased 4% versus the prior-year quarter, driven primarily by higher production-linked compensation. Excluding litigation, variable compensation, and currency effects, costs declined 2%.
Speaker #3: Turning to Personal and Corporate Banking on slide eight, P&C delivered fourth quarter pre-tax profit of 543 million Swiss francs, down 5%, primarily due to lower interest rates weighing on net interest income, which declined 10%.
Todd Tuckner: P&C delivered Q4 pre-tax profit of CHF 543 million, down 5%, primarily due to lower interest rates weighing on net interest income, which declined 10%. This was partly offset by lower credit loss expenses and reduced operating costs. Sequentially, net interest income decreased by 2% as targeted pricing measures largely mitigated the headwinds from Switzerland's zero-rate environment. Notwithstanding that Swiss franc rates are expected to remain at current levels throughout 2026, P&C's full year NII is modeled to increase by a mid-single-digit percentage in US dollars, supported by FX translation, the liability management exercise, and expected loan growth. For Q1, we expect NII to remain broadly stable in US dollar terms. Non-NII revenues were down 3%, with sustained growth in personal banking more than offset by lower client activity in the corporate and institutional segment.
Todd Tuckner: P&C delivered Q4 pre-tax profit of CHF 543 million, down 5%, primarily due to lower interest rates weighing on net interest income, which declined 10%. This was partly offset by lower credit loss expenses and reduced operating costs. Sequentially, net interest income decreased by 2% as targeted pricing measures largely mitigated the headwinds from Switzerland's zero-rate environment.
Speaker #3: This was partly offset by lower credit loss expenses and reduced operating costs. Sequentially, net interest income decreased by 2%, as targeted pricing measures largely mitigated the headwinds from Switzerland's zero-rate environment.
Todd Tuckner: Notwithstanding that Swiss franc rates are expected to remain at current levels throughout 2026, P&C's full year NII is modeled to increase by a mid-single-digit percentage in US dollars, supported by FX translation, the liability management exercise, and expected loan growth. For Q1, we expect NII to remain broadly stable in US dollar terms. Non-NII revenues were down 3%, with sustained growth in personal banking more than offset by lower client activity in the corporate and institutional segment.
Speaker #3: Notwithstanding that Swiss franc rates are expected to remain at current levels throughout 2026, P&C's full-year NII is modeled to increase by a mid-single-digit percentage in US dollars, supported by FX translation, the liability management exercise, and expected loan growth.
Speaker #3: For the first quarter, we expect NII to remain broadly stable in US dollar terms. Non-NII revenues were down 3%, with sustained growth in Personal Banking more than offset by lower client activity in the Corporate and Institutional segment.
Speaker #3: Credit loss expense was 80 million Swiss francs in the quarter and 277 million Swiss francs for the full year. Looking ahead, a mixed credit backdrop in Switzerland reflecting a more challenging economic outlook is expected to result in quarterly credit loss expense of around 75 million Swiss francs, on average.
Todd Tuckner: Credit loss expense was CHF 80 million in the quarter and CHF 277 million for the full year. Looking ahead, a mixed credit backdrop in Switzerland, reflecting a more challenging economic outlook, is expected to result in quarterly credit loss expense of around CHF 75 million on average. Operating expenses in the quarter were CHF 1.1 billion, down 1%. Turning to asset management on slide 9. Pre-tax profit increased by 20% to CHF 268 million, driven by higher revenues and lower costs. The quarter also reflected a loss of CHF 29 million related to the sale of the O’Connor business. Excluding the P&L from disposals, pre-tax profit was up 41%. As investments in our growth initiatives and platform scalability continue to take hold, we're seeing the benefits translate into sustained profitability improvement.
Todd Tuckner: Credit loss expense was CHF 80 million in the quarter and CHF 277 million for the full year. Looking ahead, a mixed credit backdrop in Switzerland, reflecting a more challenging economic outlook, is expected to result in quarterly credit loss expense of around CHF 75 million on average. Operating expenses in the quarter were CHF 1.1 billion, down 1%. Turning to asset management on slide 9. Pre-tax profit increased by 20% to CHF 268 million, driven by higher revenues and lower costs. The quarter also reflected a loss of CHF 29 million related to the sale of the O’Connor business.
Speaker #3: Operating expenses in the quarter were 1.1 billion Swiss francs, down 1%. Turning to Asset Management on slide nine, pre-tax profit increased by 20% to 268 million, driven by higher revenues and lower costs.
Speaker #3: The quarter also reflected a loss of $29 million related to the sale of the O'Connor business. Excluding the P&L from disposals, pre-tax profit was up 41%.
Todd Tuckner: Excluding the P&L from disposals, pre-tax profit was up 41%. As investments in our growth initiatives and platform scalability continue to take hold, we're seeing the benefits translate into sustained profitability improvement.
Speaker #3: As investments in our growth initiatives and platform scalability continue to take hold, we're seeing the benefits translate into sustained profitability improvement. Net new money in the quarter was positive $8 billion, led by inflows in ETFs, money market strategies, and our US SMAs.
Todd Tuckner: Net new money in the quarter was positive CHF 8 billion, led by inflows in ETFs, money market strategies, and our US SMAs, while invested assets reached CHF 2.1 trillion. Full year net new money was CHF 30 billion, representing a 1.7% growth rate, with flows reflecting product rationalization as asset management completed the Credit Suisse integration. In Unified Global Alternatives, net new client commitments were CHF 9 billion, including CHF 8 billion from GWM clients, with funded invested assets now at CHF 330 billion. Overall revenues rose 4%, driven by an 11% increase in net management fees on higher assets under management. Operating expenses declined 2%, resulting in a 66% cost-income ratio. Onto slide 10 and the investment bank. Pre-tax profit of CHF 703 million increased 56%, driven by 13% higher revenues. This performance capped the IB's strongest top-line year on record, delivering CHF 11.8 billion of revenue, up 18%.
Todd Tuckner: Net new money in the quarter was positive CHF 8 billion, led by inflows in ETFs, money market strategies, and our US SMAs, while invested assets reached CHF 2.1 trillion. Full year net new money was CHF 30 billion, representing a 1.7% growth rate, with flows reflecting product rationalization as asset management completed the Credit Suisse integration. In Unified Global Alternatives, net new client commitments were CHF 9 billion, including CHF 8 billion from GWM clients, with funded invested assets now at CHF 330 billion.
Speaker #3: While invested assets reached $2.1 trillion, full-year net new money was $30 billion, representing a 1.7% growth rate, with flows reflecting product rationalization as Asset Management completed the Credit Suisse integration.
Speaker #3: In unified global alternatives, net new client commitments were $9 billion, including $8 billion from GWM clients, with funded invested assets now at $330 billion.
Speaker #3: Overall revenues rose 4%, driven by an 11% increase in net management fees on higher assets under management. Operating expenses declined 2%, resulting in a 66% cost/income ratio.
Todd Tuckner: Overall revenues rose 4%, driven by an 11% increase in net management fees on higher assets under management. Operating expenses declined 2%, resulting in a 66% cost-income ratio. Onto slide 10 and the investment bank. Pre-tax profit of CHF 703 million increased 56%, driven by 13% higher revenues. This performance capped the IB's strongest top-line year on record, delivering CHF 11.8 billion of revenue, up 18%.
Speaker #3: On to slide 10 and the investment bank. Pre-tax profit of $703 million increased 56%, driven by 13% higher revenues. This performance capped the IB's strongest top-line year on record, delivering $11.8 billion of revenue, up 18%.
Speaker #3: We achieved this result with essentially no incremental RWA, reflecting disciplined risk management and highly capital-efficient growth. For the full year, the IB's return on attributed equity was 15%.
Todd Tuckner: We achieved this result with essentially no incremental RWA, reflecting disciplined risk management and highly capital-efficient growth. For the full year, the IB's return on attributed equity was 15%. Banking revenues rose by 2% in the quarter to CHF 687 million. Advisory grew by 2%, driven by strong performance in Switzerland and across our broader EMEA franchise. Capital markets increased 1%, powered by ECM, which was up 68% and outperformed fee pools across all regions. We held leading roles on several transactions during the quarter, highlighting the benefits of our targeted investments in strategic sectors and products. Revenues were lower in LCM, reflecting softer sponsor activity across our client base. Moving to global markets. Revenues increased by 17% to CHF 2.2 billion as we delivered our strongest Q4 performance on record, both globally and in every region.
Todd Tuckner: We achieved this result with essentially no incremental RWA, reflecting disciplined risk management and highly capital-efficient growth. For the full year, the IB's return on attributed equity was 15%. Banking revenues rose by 2% in the quarter to CHF 687 million. Advisory grew by 2%, driven by strong performance in Switzerland and across our broader EMEA franchise. Capital markets increased 1%, powered by ECM, which was up 68% and outperformed fee pools across all regions.
Speaker #3: Banking revenues rose by 2% in the quarter to $687 million. Advisory grew by 2%, driven by strong performance in Switzerland and across our broader EMEA franchise.
Speaker #3: Capital markets increased 1%, powered by ECM, which was up 68% and outperformed fee pools across all regions. We held leading roles on several transactions during the quarter, highlighting the benefits of our targeted investments in strategic sectors and products.
Todd Tuckner: We held leading roles on several transactions during the quarter, highlighting the benefits of our targeted investments in strategic sectors and products. Revenues were lower in LCM, reflecting softer sponsor activity across our client base. Moving to global markets. Revenues increased by 17% to CHF 2.2 billion as we delivered our strongest Q4 performance on record, both globally and in every region.
Speaker #3: Revenues were lower in LCM, reflecting softer sponsor activity across our client base. Moving to global markets, revenues increased by 17% to $2.2 billion, as we delivered our strongest fourth quarter performance on record, both globally and in every region.
Speaker #3: Equities rose 9%, versus an exceptionally strong prior-year quarter, driven by prime brokerage, cash equities on record market share, and equity derivatives. FRC revenues increased by 46%, with FX and precious metals in particular standing out.
Todd Tuckner: Equities rose 9% versus an exceptionally strong prior-year quarter, driven by prime brokerage, cash equities on record market share, and equity derivatives. FRC revenues increased by 46%, with FX and precious metals in particular standing out. Our continued technology investment, combined with a highly regionally diversified platform and deep connectivity with global wealth management, continues to differentiate our markets business, supporting strong client engagement and sustained momentum. Against the strong revenue performance, operating expenses increased by 6%. On slide 11, Non-Core and Legacy generated a pre-tax loss of CHF 224 million in the quarter. Revenues were negative CHF 10 million as funding costs of CHF 86 million were partly offset by net revenues from position marks and disposals. Operating expenses were down by nearly 60% year-over-year, reflecting the significant progress we're making in exiting costs from the platform.
Todd Tuckner: Equities rose 9% versus an exceptionally strong prior-year quarter, driven by prime brokerage, cash equities on record market share, and equity derivatives. FRC revenues increased by 46%, with FX and precious metals in particular standing out. Our continued technology investment, combined with a highly regionally diversified platform and deep connectivity with global wealth management, continues to differentiate our markets business, supporting strong client engagement and sustained momentum. Against the strong revenue performance, operating expenses increased by 6%.
Speaker #3: Our continued technology investment, combined with a highly regionally diversified platform and deep connectivity with global wealth management, continues to differentiate our Markets business, supporting strong client engagement and sustained momentum.
Speaker #3: Against the strong revenue performance, operating expenses increased by 6%. On slide 11, non-core and legacy generated a pre-tax loss of $224 million in the quarter. Revenues were negative $10 million, as funding costs of $86 million were partly offset by net revenues from position marks and disposals.
Todd Tuckner: On slide 11, Non-Core and Legacy generated a pre-tax loss of CHF 224 million in the quarter. Revenues were negative CHF 10 million as funding costs of CHF 86 million were partly offset by net revenues from position marks and disposals. Operating expenses were down by nearly 60% year-over-year, reflecting the significant progress we're making in exiting costs from the platform.
Speaker #3: Operating expenses were down by nearly 60% year on year, reflecting the significant progress we're making in exiting costs from the platform. Risk-weighted assets at quarter end were $29 billion, or $5 billion excluding operational risk RWAs, down $2 billion sequentially.
Todd Tuckner: Risk-Weighted Assets at quarter end were CHF 29 billion, or CHF 5 billion excluding operational risk RWAs, down CHF 2 billion sequentially. LRD decreased by CHF 6 billion, or 25% quarter-over-quarter, ending the year at CHF 19 billion. Moving to a short recap on our full year group performance on slide 12. We delivered net profit of CHF 7.8 billion, up 53% year-over-year, with an underlying return on CE21 capital of 13.7%. Excluding litigation and applying a normalized tax rate, our return on CE21 capital was 11.5%. Revenues grew 8% in our core businesses and 4% overall, while costs were 2% lower as we continue to progress toward completing the Credit Suisse integration. As we look at our full year performance through a regional lens on slide 13, the contributions across the group underscore the strength of our globally diversified model and unrivaled global connectivity.
Todd Tuckner: Risk-Weighted Assets at quarter end were CHF 29 billion, or CHF 5 billion excluding operational risk RWAs, down CHF 2 billion sequentially. LRD decreased by CHF 6 billion, or 25% quarter-over-quarter, ending the year at CHF 19 billion. Moving to a short recap on our full year group performance on slide 12. We delivered net profit of CHF 7.8 billion, up 53% year-over-year, with an underlying return on CE21 capital of 13.7%. Excluding litigation and applying a normalized tax rate, our return on CE21 capital was 11.5%.
Speaker #3: LRD decreased by $6 billion for the year, at 19.25% quarter on quarter, ending billion. Moving to a short recap on our full-year group performance on slide 12.
Speaker #3: We delivered net profit of $7.8 billion, up 53% year over year, with an underlying return on CET1 capital of 13.7%. Excluding litigation, and applying a normalized tax rate, our return on CET1 capital was 11.5%.
Todd Tuckner: Revenues grew 8% in our core businesses and 4% overall, while costs were 2% lower as we continue to progress toward completing the Credit Suisse integration. As we look at our full year performance through a regional lens on slide 13, the contributions across the group underscore the strength of our globally diversified model and unrivaled global connectivity.
Speaker #3: Revenues grew 8% in our core businesses and 4% overall, while costs were 2% lower. As we continue to progress toward completing the Credit Suisse integration.
Speaker #3: As we look at our full-year performance through a regional lens on slide 13, the contributions across the group underscore the strength of our globally diversified model and unrivaled global connectivity.
Speaker #3: Outside of Switzerland, our anchor and most profitable region, which delivered over $5 billion in pre-tax profit, each region delivered strong profitability and grew at a double-digit rate year over year.
Todd Tuckner: Outside of Switzerland, our anchor and most profitable region, which delivered over CHF 5 billion in pre-tax profit, each region delivered strong profitability and grew at a double-digit rate year-over-year. Asia Pacific and EMEA were up over 40%, with the Americas 14% higher. Clear evidence that our scale, reach, and discipline integration are building a more balanced earnings profile that positions us well to perform through the cycle and to capitalize on growth opportunities where they're strongest. With that, I hand over to Sergio for the investor update. Thank you, Todd, and welcome, everybody. 2025 was a year marked by exceptional dedication from our colleagues as we advanced in our journey to position UBS for sustainable long-term success. We achieved excellent financial results and made great progress on the first integration of two GCIPs, for sure one of the most complex integrations in banking history.
Todd Tuckner: Outside of Switzerland, our anchor and most profitable region, which delivered over CHF 5 billion in pre-tax profit, each region delivered strong profitability and grew at a double-digit rate year-over-year. Asia Pacific and EMEA were up over 40%, with the Americas 14% higher. Clear evidence that our scale, reach, and discipline integration are building a more balanced earnings profile that positions us well to perform through the cycle and to capitalize on growth opportunities where they're strongest. With that, I hand over to Sergio for the investor update.
Speaker #3: APAC and EMEA were up over 40%, with the Americas 14% higher. Clear evidence that our scale, reach, and disciplined integration are building a more balanced earnings profile that positions us well to perform through the cycle and to capitalize on growth opportunities where they're strongest.
Speaker #3: With that, I hand over to Sergio for the investor.
Speaker #3: update.
Sergio Ermotti: Thank you, Todd, and welcome, everybody. 2025 was a year marked by exceptional dedication from our colleagues as we advanced in our journey to position UBS for sustainable long-term success. We achieved excellent financial results and made great progress on the first integration of two GCIPs, for sure one of the most complex integrations in banking history.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Todd.
Speaker #2: And welcome, everybody. 2025 was a year marked by exceptional dedication from our colleagues as we advanced in our journey to position UBS for sustainable, long-term success.
Speaker #2: We achieved excellent financial results and made great progress on the first integration of two GSIBs—for sure, one of the most complex integrations in banking history.
Speaker #2: We did this despite an unpredictable market backdrop and amid regulatory uncertainty in Switzerland, while never losing sight of what matters most: serving our clients.
Todd Tuckner: We did this despite an unpredictable market backdrop and amid regulatory uncertainty in Switzerland while never losing sight of what mattered most: serving our clients. As a result, we captured growth across our asset-gathering platform, supported robust private and institutional client activity, and increased market share in our areas of strategic focus in the investment bank. In Switzerland, clients relied on UBS for their domestic needs and our global capabilities and expertise. During the year, we also extended or renewed around CHF 80 billion of loans to businesses and households, reinforcing our commitment to act as a reliable partner for the Swiss economy. At the same time, we substantially completed the client migration in personal and corporate banking, and we are set to finish the remaining transfers for Swiss-booked clients by the end of Q1.
Sergio Ermotti: We did this despite an unpredictable market backdrop and amid regulatory uncertainty in Switzerland while never losing sight of what mattered most: serving our clients. As a result, we captured growth across our asset-gathering platform, supported robust private and institutional client activity, and increased market share in our areas of strategic focus in the investment bank. In Switzerland, clients relied on UBS for their domestic needs and our global capabilities and expertise.
Speaker #2: As a result, we captured growth across our asset-gathering platform, supported robust private and institutional client activity, and increased market share in our areas of strategic focus in the investment bank.
Speaker #2: In Switzerland, clients relied on UBS for their domestic needs and our global capabilities and expertise. During the year, we also extended or renewed around CHF 80 billion of loans to businesses and households, reinforcing our commitment to act as a reliable partner for the Swiss economy.
Sergio Ermotti: During the year, we also extended or renewed around CHF 80 billion of loans to businesses and households, reinforcing our commitment to act as a reliable partner for the Swiss economy. At the same time, we substantially completed the client migration in personal and corporate banking, and we are set to finish the remaining transfers for Swiss-booked clients by the end of Q1.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we substantially completed the client migration in Personal and Corporate Banking, and we are set to finish the remaining transfers for Swiss-booked clients by the end of the first quarter.
Speaker #2: With this, alongside further progress in simplifying our operations, we are on track to substantially finalize the integration by the end of the year and reach our 2026 group exit rate targets.
Todd Tuckner: With this, alongside further progress in simplifying our operations, we are on track to substantially finalize the integration by the end of the year and reach our 2026 group exit rate targets. Our performance throughout the year further fortifies our capital strength and our ability to follow through on our capital return plans. As Todd mentioned, we are honoring our capital return commitment with an increase in our dividend. This was complemented by our share repurchases, which we plan to replicate in 2026. Our momentum is also enabling our strategic investments to support our clients, reinforce our technology, and position UBS for long-term growth. At the same time, we are seeing increasingly strong adoption of AI across the firm, supported by our rollout of next-generation tools and platforms to improve efficiency and productivity.
Sergio Ermotti: With this, alongside further progress in simplifying our operations, we are on track to substantially finalize the integration by the end of the year and reach our 2026 group exit rate targets. Our performance throughout the year further fortifies our capital strength and our ability to follow through on our capital return plans. As Todd mentioned, we are honoring our capital return commitment with an increase in our dividend.
Speaker #2: Our performance throughout the year further fortifies our capital strength and our ability to follow through on our capital return plans. As Todd mentioned, we are honoring our capital return commitments with an increase in our dividend.
Speaker #2: This was complemented by our share repurchases, which we plan to replicate. In 2026, our momentum is also enabling our strategic investments to support our clients and position UBS for long-term growth.
Sergio Ermotti: This was complemented by our share repurchases, which we plan to replicate in 2026. Our momentum is also enabling our strategic investments to support our clients, reinforce our technology, and position UBS for long-term growth. At the same time, we are seeing increasingly strong adoption of AI across the firm, supported by our rollout of next-generation tools and platforms to improve efficiency and productivity.
Speaker #2: At the same time, we are seeing increasingly strong adoption of AI across the firm, supported by our rollout of next-generation tools and platforms to improve efficiency and productivity.
Speaker #2: We entered 2026 from a position of strength and are committed to executing on our proven strategy to generate sustainably higher returns and long-term value for all stakeholders.
Todd Tuckner: We entered 2026 from a position of strength and are committed to executing on our proven strategy to generate sustainably higher returns and long-term value for all stakeholders. I'm pleased by the integration progress we have made to date, and I'm confident in our ability to substantially complete the integration and capture the remaining synergies by the end of the year. But the final wave of the Swiss-booked clients' migration has the highest level of complexity and is a key dependency to fully winding down the legacy infrastructure through the end of the year. Therefore, we cannot be complacent and have to maintain the same level of focus and intensity as we approach the last mile. In the planning process for 2026, we identified an additional CHF 500 million in cost synergies. These allow us to increase our gross cost savings ambition to CHF 13.5 billion.
Sergio Ermotti: We entered 2026 from a position of strength and are committed to executing on our proven strategy to generate sustainably higher returns and long-term value for all stakeholders. I'm pleased by the integration progress we have made to date, and I'm confident in our ability to substantially complete the integration and capture the remaining synergies by the end of the year. But the final wave of the Swiss-booked clients' migration has the highest level of complexity and is a key dependency to fully winding down the legacy infrastructure through the end of the year.
Speaker #2: I'm pleased by the integration progress we have made to date, and I'm confident in our ability to substantially complete the integration and capture the remaining synergies by the end of the year.
Speaker #2: But the final wave of the Swiss-booked clients migration has the highest level of complexity, and is a key dependency to fully winding down the legacy infrastructure through the end of the year.
Speaker #2: Therefore, we cannot be complacent and have to maintain the same level of focus and intensity as we approach the last mile. In the planning process for 2026, we identified an additional $500 million in cost synergies.
Sergio Ermotti: Therefore, we cannot be complacent and have to maintain the same level of focus and intensity as we approach the last mile. In the planning process for 2026, we identified an additional CHF 500 million in cost synergies. These allow us to increase our gross cost savings ambition to CHF 13.5 billion.
Speaker #2: These allow us to increase our gross cost savings ambition to $13.5 billion. I'm particularly pleased that we will be able to produce these synergies at a very efficient cost-to-achieve multiple of 1.1.
Todd Tuckner: I'm particularly pleased that we will be able to produce these synergies at a very efficient cost-to-achieve multiple of 1.1. Each step we take towards completing the integration brings us closer to our 2026 exit rate targets for the group. While we are on track to reach a 15% underlying return on CET1 capital and a cost-income ratio below 70% by the end of the year, this slide underscores the efforts that are still required to get there. As we entered Q1, the macroeconomic backdrop continues to support steady global growth and easing inflation. Market conditions remain largely constructive, with broader equity dispersion and rotation supporting client engagement, as well as healthy transactional and capital markets activity and pipeline. Demand remains focused on geographic and asset class diversification, as well as principal protection.
Sergio Ermotti: I'm particularly pleased that we will be able to produce these synergies at a very efficient cost-to-achieve multiple of 1.1. Each step we take towards completing the integration brings us closer to our 2026 exit rate targets for the group. While we are on track to reach a 15% underlying return on CET1 capital and a cost-income ratio below 70% by the end of the year, this slide underscores the efforts that are still required to get there. As we entered Q1, the macroeconomic backdrop continues to support steady global growth and easing inflation.
Speaker #2: Each step we take towards completing the integration brings us closer to our 2026 exit rate targets for the group. While we are on track to reach a 15% underlying return on CT1 capital and a cost-income ratio below 70% by the end of the year, this slide underscores the efforts that are still required to get there.
Speaker #2: As we entered the first quarter, the macroeconomic backdrop continues to support steady global growth and easing inflation. Market conditions remain largely constructive, with broader equity dispersion and rotation supporting client engagement, as well as healthy transactional and capital markets activity and pipeline.
Sergio Ermotti: Market conditions remain largely constructive, with broader equity dispersion and rotation supporting client engagement, as well as healthy transactional and capital markets activity and pipeline. Demand remains focused on geographic and asset class diversification, as well as principal protection.
Speaker #2: Demand remains focused on geographic and asset class diversification, as well as principal protection. However, continued elevated geopolitical and economic policy uncertainties mean sentiment and positioning can shift quickly, leading to spikes in volatility influencing institutional and corporate client activity levels.
Todd Tuckner: However, continued elevated geopolitical and economic policy uncertainties mean sentiment and positioning can shift quickly, leading to spikes in volatility influencing institutional and corporate client activity levels. So, across all of our businesses, helping our clients navigate these challenges and sustaining client momentum is still our number one priority. While we are about to finish the integration, our strategy for delivering long-term value remains unchanged. We are fully committed to our global diversified model. Our weighting towards our asset-gathering franchises provides us with an attractive business mix that sets us apart from our competitors. While our leadership in the largest and fastest-growing markets is fundamental to serving our clients, it also provides significant diversification benefits, which underpin our ability to deliver attractive and stable profits through the cycle.
Sergio Ermotti: However, continued elevated geopolitical and economic policy uncertainties mean sentiment and positioning can shift quickly, leading to spikes in volatility influencing institutional and corporate client activity levels. So, across all of our businesses, helping our clients navigate these challenges and sustaining client momentum is still our number one priority. While we are about to finish the integration, our strategy for delivering long-term value remains unchanged. We are fully committed to our global diversified model.
Speaker #2: So, across all of our businesses, helping our clients navigate these challenges and sustaining client momentum is still our number one priority. While we are about to finish the integration, our strategy for delivering long-term value remains unchanged.
Speaker #2: We are fully committed to our global diversified model. Our weighting towards our asset-gathering franchises provides us with an attractive business mix that sets us apart from our competitors.
Sergio Ermotti: Our weighting towards our asset-gathering franchises provides us with an attractive business mix that sets us apart from our competitors. While our leadership in the largest and fastest-growing markets is fundamental to serving our clients, it also provides significant diversification benefits, which underpin our ability to deliver attractive and stable profits through the cycle.
Speaker #2: And while our leadership in the largest and fastest-growing markets is fundamental to serving our clients, it also provides significant diversification benefits, which underpin our ability to deliver attractive and stable profits through the cycle.
Speaker #2: Fortified by a balance sheet for all seasons and a disciplined approach to risk and cost management, it is clear that our strategy reinforces UBS's role as a stabilizing force for our stakeholders and for the Swiss economy.
Todd Tuckner: Fortified by a balance sheet for all seasons and a disciplined approach to risk and cost management, it is clear that our strategy reinforces UBS's role as a stabilizing force for our stakeholders and for the Swiss economy. Our global client franchises also provide us with a competitive advantage that cannot easily be replicated. We are the world's only truly global wealth manager and the number one Swiss universal bank, with leading global capabilities across our asset management franchise and our competitive capital light investment bank. While our business divisions are strong on their own, it is the intense partnership between them that creates truly differentiated value for clients and stakeholders. This is why further reinforcing collaboration across the group must continue to be one of our key levers for sustainable growth.
Sergio Ermotti: Fortified by a balance sheet for all seasons and a disciplined approach to risk and cost management, it is clear that our strategy reinforces UBS's role as a stabilizing force for our stakeholders and for the Swiss economy. Our global client franchises also provide us with a competitive advantage that cannot easily be replicated. We are the world's only truly global wealth manager and the number one Swiss universal bank, with leading global capabilities across our asset management franchise and our competitive capital light investment bank.
Speaker #2: Our global client franchises also provide us with a competitive advantage that cannot easily be replicated. We are the world’s only truly global wealth manager and the number one Swiss universal bank, with leading global capabilities across our asset management franchise and our competitive, capital-light investment bank.
Sergio Ermotti: While our business divisions are strong on their own, it is the intense partnership between them that creates truly differentiated value for clients and stakeholders. This is why further reinforcing collaboration across the group must continue to be one of our key levers for sustainable growth.
Speaker #2: While our business divisions are strong on their own, it is the intense partnership between them that creates truly differentiated value for clients and stakeholders.
Speaker #2: This is why further reinforcing collaboration across the group must continue to be one of our key levers for sustainable growth. With the integration nearly done, it is now important for us to apply a one-bank approach to our entire operation.
Todd Tuckner: With the integration nearly done, it is now important for us to apply a one-bank approach to our entire operation. To do this, we are redesigning front-to-back processes and accelerating investments in technology and AI. Building on these strong foundations, we are investing in a portfolio of large-scale transformational AI programs designed to increase our operational resilience, enhance the client experience, and unlock higher levels of efficiency and effectiveness across the organization. In addition to the levers within our control, the secular trends shaping the industry support our long-term growth ambitions and our ability to serve our clients. More than ever before, rapidly evolving geopolitical, societal, and demographic dynamics are influencing where people choose to live. These trends are also accelerating the pace of wealth migration and changing how clients invest and manage risk across public, private, and alternative markets.
Sergio Ermotti: With the integration nearly done, it is now important for us to apply a one-bank approach to our entire operation. To do this, we are redesigning front-to-back processes and accelerating investments in technology and AI. Building on these strong foundations, we are investing in a portfolio of large-scale transformational AI programs designed to increase our operational resilience, enhance the client experience, and unlock higher levels of efficiency and effectiveness across the organization. In addition to the levers within our control, the secular trends shaping the industry support our long-term growth
Speaker #2: To do this, we are redesigning front-to-back processes and accelerating investments in technology and AI. Building on these strong foundations, we are investing in a portfolio of large-scale transformational AI programs designed to increase our operational resilience, enhance the client experience, and unlock higher levels of efficiency and effectiveness across the organization.
Speaker #2: In addition to delivery within our control, the secular trends shaping the industry support our long-term growth ambitions and our ability to serve our clients.
Sergio Ermotti: ambitions and our ability to serve our clients. More than ever before, rapidly evolving geopolitical, societal, and demographic dynamics are influencing where people choose to live. These trends are also accelerating the pace of wealth migration and changing how clients invest and manage risk across public, private, and alternative markets.
Speaker #2: More than ever before, rapidly evolving geopolitical, societal, and demographic dynamics are influencing where people choose to live. These trends are also accelerating the pace of wealth migration and changing how clients invest and manage risk across public, private, and alternative markets.
Speaker #2: Life expectancies and intergenerational wealth transfers are extending investment horizons and increasing demand for holistic wealth planning. Meanwhile, the next generation of investors expects a seamless technological experience.
Todd Tuckner: In addition, longer life expectancies and intergenerational wealth transfers are extending investment horizons and increasing demand for holistic wealth planning. Meanwhile, the next generation of investors expects a seamless technological experience, and the emergence of digital assets and tokenization is creating opportunities to fundamentally change how we operate. In this context, clients will increasingly place an even higher premium on trusted advice from partners who can offer, through global connectivity, access to innovative products and seamless cross-border solutions. UBS is uniquely positioned to convert these trends into stronger profitability and long-term value creation. These trends are also reflected in our 2028 ambitions for all our business divisions. Let's start with Global Wealth Management, where we are on track to realize the final integration-related synergies to increase efficiency and capacity for investments and support the next level of profitability and growth.
Sergio Ermotti: In addition, longer life expectancies and intergenerational wealth transfers are extending investment horizons and increasing demand for holistic wealth planning. Meanwhile, the next generation of investors expects a seamless technological experience, and the emergence of digital assets and tokenization is creating opportunities to fundamentally change how we operate. In this context, clients will increasingly place an even higher premium on trusted advice from partners who can offer, through global connectivity, access to innovative products and seamless cross-border solutions.
Speaker #2: And the emergence of digital assets and tokenization is creating opportunities to fundamentally change how we operate. In this context, clients will increasingly place an even higher premium on trusted advice from partners who can offer true global connectivity, access to innovative products, and seamless cross-border solutions.
Sergio Ermotti: UBS is uniquely positioned to convert these trends into stronger profitability and long-term value creation. These trends are also reflected in our 2028 ambitions for all our business divisions. Let's start with Global Wealth Management, where we are on track to realize the final integration-related synergies to increase efficiency and capacity for investments and support the next level of profitability and growth.
Speaker #2: UBS is uniquely positioned to convert these trends into stronger profitability and long-term value creation. These trends are also reflected in our 2028 ambitions for all our business divisions.
Speaker #2: Let's start with Global Wealth Management, where we are on track to realize the final integration-related synergies to increase efficiency and capacity for investments, and support the next level of profitability and growth.
Speaker #2: We will leverage our global reach, regional expertise, and strong connectivity with personal and corporate banking, asset management, and investment bank to deepen client relationships and maintain momentum.
Todd Tuckner: We will leverage our global reach, regional expertise, and strong connectivity with personal and corporate banking, asset management, and investment bank to deepen client relationships and maintain momentum. In addition, a key priority is to scale and expand our high-net-worth franchise. To achieve that, we are investing in next-generation digital capabilities that strengthen our products and services while also improving advisor productivity and pre-tax margins. By 2028, we expect all of our regions to increase their profitability, supporting global wealth management's ambition to achieve a reported cost-income ratio of around 68%. As we begin to fully capitalize on the benefits of our greater scale and capabilities, we aim to deliver more than CHF 200 billion in net new assets per annum by 2028.
Sergio Ermotti: We will leverage our global reach, regional expertise, and strong connectivity with personal and corporate banking, asset management, and investment bank to deepen client relationships and maintain momentum. In addition, a key priority is to scale and expand our high-net-worth franchise. To achieve that, we are investing in next-generation digital capabilities that strengthen our products and services while also improving advisor productivity and pre-tax margins.
Speaker #2: In addition, a key priority is to scale and expand our high-net-worth.
Speaker #1: Franchise to achieve that. We are investing in next-generation digital capabilities that strengthen our products and services, while also improving advisory. While pre-tax, our and strengthen services.
Speaker #1: productivity and productivity products and pre-tax also improving advisor margins . By 2028 . We expect all of our regions to increase their profitability global , supporting wealth ambition to achieve management a reported cost income ratio of around 68% .
Sergio Ermotti: By 2028, we expect all of our regions to increase their profitability, supporting global wealth management's ambition to achieve a reported cost-income ratio of around 68%. As we begin to fully capitalize on the benefits of our greater scale and capabilities, we aim to deliver more than CHF 200 billion in net new assets per annum by 2028.
Speaker #1: As we begin to capitalize on the benefits fully of our greater scale and capabilities, we aim to deliver more than $200 billion in net new assets per annum by 2028.
Todd Tuckner: In 2026, we expect GWM's net new assets to exceed CHF 125 billion as we capture the benefits of our leadership and momentum across Asia Pacific, EMEA, Switzerland, and Latin America. In the US, our strategic actions to improve operating leverage are resulting in anticipated temporary headwinds, but we expect net new assets in the Americas to be positive in 2026, supported by a healthy recruiting pipeline and improved retention of our most productive advisors. On this slide, you can see our unique and diversified positioning coming through across all of our regions, with each being a meaningful driver of growth and equally contributing to GWM's profitability. Together, they form the basis for our unrivaled global scale, which adds to our local capabilities. In Asia Pacific, our strong growth and profitability reflect our status as the largest wealth manager in the world's fastest-growing market.
Sergio Ermotti: In 2026, we expect GWM's net new assets to exceed CHF 125 billion as we capture the benefits of our leadership and momentum across Asia Pacific, EMEA, Switzerland, and Latin America. In the US, our strategic actions to improve operating leverage are resulting in anticipated temporary headwinds, but we expect net new assets in the Americas to be positive in 2026, supported by a healthy recruiting pipeline and improved retention of our most productive advisors.
Speaker #1: In 2026, we expect net new assets to exceed $125 billion, as we capture the benefits of our leadership and momentum in APAC, EMEA, Switzerland, and Latin America.
Speaker #1: In the US, our strategic actions to improve operating leverage are resulting in anticipated temporary headwinds. But we expect net new assets in the Americas to be positive in 2026, supported by a healthy recruiting pipeline and improved retention of our most productive advisors.
Sergio Ermotti: On this slide, you can see our unique and diversified positioning coming through across all of our regions, with each being a meaningful driver of growth and equally contributing to GWM's profitability. Together, they form the basis for our unrivaled global scale, which adds to our local capabilities. In Asia Pacific, our strong growth and profitability reflect our status as the largest wealth manager in the world's fastest-growing market.
Speaker #1: On this slide, you can see our unique and diversified positioning coming through across all of our regions, with each being a meaningful driver of growth and equally contributing to Group-wide profitability.
Speaker #1: Together, they form the basis for our unrivaled global scale, which has added to our local capabilities in APAC. Our strong growth and profitability reflects our status as the largest wealth manager in the world's fastest growing market.
Todd Tuckner: Building on this, we are reinforcing our strong goals in Singapore and Hong Kong while increasing our scale in key growth markets in Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Japan, India, and Australia. Across the region, we aim to expand share of wallet, accelerate strategic partnerships, build on our feeder channels, and hire more client advisors. Our leadership in EMEA is driven by our highly profitable international platform that offers cross-border services through our Swiss booking center. This expanded offering in the region is resonating with our clients, particularly in the Middle East, where our franchise has nearly doubled in size compared to its pre-acquisition position. Complemented by our growing onshore franchises, EMEA is poised to capture growth and further amplify our global diversification. Switzerland is a unique source of stability for our wealth management franchise, supported by deep client relationships and our home country's role as a destination for international clients.
Sergio Ermotti: Building on this, we are reinforcing our strong goals in Singapore and Hong Kong while increasing our scale in key growth markets in Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Japan, India, and Australia. Across the region, we aim to expand share of wallet, accelerate strategic partnerships, build on our feeder channels, and hire more client advisors. Our leadership in EMEA is driven by our highly profitable international platform that offers cross-border services through our Swiss booking center.
Speaker #1: this , we are Building on reinforcing our strong goals in and Singapore Hong Kong while increasing our scale in key markets . In Southeast Asia growth , Taiwan , Japan , India and Australia .
Speaker #1: Across the region, we aim to expand share of wallet, accelerate strategic partnerships, build on our channels, and hire more client feeder advisors.
Speaker #1: Our leadership in EMEA is driven by our highly profitable international platform that offers cross-border services through our Swiss Booking Center . This expanded offering in the region is in the region is reasoning with our clients , particularly in the Middle where East our franchise has doubled nearly in size compared to its Pre-acquisition position , complemented by our growing onshore franchises .
Sergio Ermotti: This expanded offering in the region is resonating with our clients, particularly in the Middle East, where our franchise has nearly doubled in size compared to its pre-acquisition position. Complemented by our growing onshore franchises, EMEA is poised to capture growth and further amplify our global diversification. Switzerland is a unique source of stability for our wealth management franchise, supported by deep client relationships and our home country's role as a destination for international clients.
Speaker #1: EMEA is poised to capture growth and further amplify our diversification. Switzerland Global is a unique source of stability for our wealth management franchise, supported by deep client relationships and our home country's role as a destination for international clients.
Todd Tuckner: Once the Swiss-booked clients' migration is completed later this quarter, our advisor will be in a superior position to focus on capturing enhanced growth. A year ago, we outlined our multi-year plan to improve the sustainable performance of our US wealth business and positioning it to grow. A 3 percentage point improvement in pre-tax margins in 2025 demonstrates that we are making good progress against that plan. Simplifying access to the investment bank has been a clear differentiator for our clients, contributing to greater client activity as we further extend our specialized advisory and capital market solutions to our wealthiest clients and family offices. Meanwhile, investments to enhance our coverage model across our client segments are streamlining the distribution of tailored products, enhancing the client experience, and improving financial advisor productivity. Moving forward, the most significant source of our margin expansion is our core banking offering.
Sergio Ermotti: Once the Swiss-booked clients' migration is completed later this quarter, our advisor will be in a superior position to focus on capturing enhanced growth. A year ago, we outlined our multi-year plan to improve the sustainable performance of our US wealth business and positioning it to grow. A 3 percentage point improvement in pre-tax margins in 2025 demonstrates that we are making good progress against that plan.
Speaker #1: Once the Swiss book client migration are completed, later this quarter, our advisor will be in a superior position to focus on capturing enhanced growth.
Speaker #1: A year ago, we outlined our multi-year plan to improve the sustainable performance of our US wealth business, and positioning it to grow. A three percentage point improvement in pre-tax margins in 2025 demonstrates that we are making good progress against that plan.
Sergio Ermotti: Simplifying access to the investment bank has been a clear differentiator for our clients, contributing to greater client activity as we further extend our specialized advisory and capital market solutions to our wealthiest clients and family offices. Meanwhile, investments to enhance our coverage model across our client segments are streamlining the distribution of tailored products, enhancing the client experience, and improving financial advisor productivity. Moving forward, the most significant source of our margin expansion is our core banking offering.
Speaker #1: Simplifying access to the investment bank has been a clear differentiator for our clients, contributing to greater client activity. We extend our specialized advisory and markets solutions to our wealthiest clients and family offices.
Speaker #1: Meanwhile, investments to enhance our coverage model across our client segments are streamlining the distribution of tailored products, enhancing the client experience, and improving financial advisor productivity.
Speaker #1: Moving forward , the most source of our significant margin expansion is our core banking offering . We have healthy momentum today , supported by seven consecutive quarters of loan growth and the conditional approval of a national charter gives us gives us a clear path to further expand our banking platform and product suite suite to support our ability to further reduce profitability our gap to peers .
Todd Tuckner: We have healthy momentum today, supported by seven consecutive quarters of loan growth. The conditional approval of a national charter gives us a clear path to further expand our banking platform and product suite to support our ability to further reduce our profitability gap to peers. Our operational momentum and strategic progress in 2025 allow us to bring forward our ambition by a year, and we are now targeting a pre-tax margin of around 15% in 2026. We will then look to achieve a PBT margin of around 16% in 2027 before building to around 18% in 2028. The Americas, including our US franchise, is a cornerstone of our capital-generative business model and wealth management franchise, and we will continue to invest to reinforce our position.
Sergio Ermotti: We have healthy momentum today, supported by seven consecutive quarters of loan growth. The conditional approval of a national charter gives us a clear path to further expand our banking platform and product suite to support our ability to further reduce our profitability gap to peers. Our operational momentum and strategic progress in 2025 allow us to bring forward our ambition by a year, and we are now targeting a pre-tax margin of around 15% in 2026. We will then look to achieve a PBT margin of around 16% in 2027 before building to around 18% in 2028.
Speaker #1: Our operational momentum and strategic progress in 2025 allow us to bring forward our ambition by a year, and we are now targeting a pre-tax margin of around 15% in 2026.
Speaker #1: We will then look to achieve a margin of around 16% in 2027 , before building to around 18% in 2028 . The Americas , including our US franchise , is a cornerstone of our capital generative business model and wealth management franchise , and we will continue to invest to reinforce our position .
Sergio Ermotti: The Americas, including our US franchise, is a cornerstone of our capital-generative business model and wealth management franchise, and we will continue to invest to reinforce our position.
Todd Tuckner: Let's now turn to personal and corporate banking, which underpins our status as the leading Swiss universal bank and reliable provider of credit for the Swiss economy. P&C's performance in 2025 reflects our commitment to stay close to clients while executing one of the industry's most complex client account migrations ever, with minimal disruption and limited asset outflows. With this major milestone soon behind us, P&C is well positioned to benefit from a single operating platform, freeing up time and resources to serve clients. Just as importantly, winding down legacy infrastructure will unlock material cost synergies to improve profitability while creating additional capacity to reinvest. The power of our fully integrated offering in Switzerland, combined with our global reach, allowed us to retain more corporate and institutional clients from Credit Suisse than we had expected as we optimized our financial resources.
Sergio Ermotti: Let's now turn to personal and corporate banking, which underpins our status as the leading Swiss universal bank and reliable provider of credit for the Swiss economy. P&C's performance in 2025 reflects our commitment to stay close to clients while executing one of the industry's most complex client account migrations ever, with minimal disruption and limited asset outflows. With this major milestone soon behind us, P&C is well positioned to benefit from a single operating platform, freeing up time and resources to serve clients.
Speaker #1: Let's now turn to Personal and Corporate Banking, which underpins our status as the leading Swiss universal bank and a reliable driver of the Swiss economy. Swiss performance in 2025 reflects our commitment to stay close to clients.
Speaker #1: While industry's executing one of the most complex client account migration migrations ever , with minimal disruption and limited asset outflows . With this major milestone , soon behind us , PNC is well positioned to benefit from a single operating platform , freeing up time and resources to serve clients just as importantly , winding down legacy infrastructure will unlock material cost synergies to improve profitability while creating additional capacity to reinvest .
Sergio Ermotti: Just as importantly, winding down legacy infrastructure will unlock material cost synergies to improve profitability while creating additional capacity to reinvest. The power of our fully integrated offering in Switzerland, combined with our global reach, allowed us to retain more corporate and institutional clients from Credit Suisse than we had expected as we optimized our financial resources.
Speaker #1: The power of our fully integrated offering in Switzerland, combined with our global reach, allowed us to retain more corporate and institutional Credit Suisse clients than we had expected.
Todd Tuckner: Now, we will continue to improve, offering to reinforce our standing as the bank of choice for clients and drive growth. We are strengthening our digital leadership by increasing personalization as we roll out selective AI-enabled capabilities to streamline service and bolster productivity. Meanwhile, as digital assets become a more relevant part of the financial system, we are taking a focused client-led approach. We are building out the core infrastructure and exploring targeted offerings, from crypto access for individual clients to tokenized deposit solutions for corporates. In terms of our financial ambitions, it is likely that the Swiss franc interest rate headwinds that have persisted since 2024 will delay the achievement of an underlying cost-income ratio below 50% by the end of 2026. Despite this, we still expect the enhanced scale of the franchise and improving operating leverage to translate into double-digit pre-tax profit growth this year.
Sergio Ermotti: Now, we will continue to improve, offering to reinforce our standing as the bank of choice for clients and drive growth. We are strengthening our digital leadership by increasing personalization as we roll out selective AI-enabled capabilities to streamline service and bolster productivity. Meanwhile, as digital assets become a more relevant part of the financial system, we are taking a focused client-led approach. We are building out the core infrastructure and exploring targeted offerings, from crypto access for individual clients to tokenized deposit solutions for corporates.
Speaker #1: As we optimize our financial resources now, we will continue to improve our offering to reinforce our standing as the bank of choice for clients and drive growth.
Speaker #1: We are strengthening our digital leadership by increasing personalization as we roll out selective AI enabled capabilities to streamline service and bolster productivity . Meanwhile , as digital assets become a more relevant part of the financial system , we are taking a focused , client led approach .
Speaker #1: We are building out the core infrastructure and exploring targeted offerings, from crypto access for individual clients to tokenized deposit solutions for corporates.
Sergio Ermotti: In terms of our financial ambitions, it is likely that the Swiss franc interest rate headwinds that have persisted since 2024 will delay the achievement of an underlying cost-income ratio below 50% by the end of 2026. Despite this, we still expect the enhanced scale of the franchise and improving operating leverage to translate into double-digit pre-tax profit growth this year.
Speaker #1: In terms of our financial ambitions , it is likely that the Swiss franc rate interest headwinds persisted that have since . Since 2024 will delay the achievement of our underlying cost income ratio below 50% by the end of 2026 .
Speaker #1: Despite this , we are we still the expect enhanced scale of the franchise and improving operating leverage to translate into double digit pre-tax profit growth this year .
Todd Tuckner: For this reason, we also aim to achieve a reported cost-income ratio around 48% for 2028, even if rates remain at zero. In asset management, we have seen a significant improvement in operating leverage alongside the substantial completion of our integration priorities. This allowed us to meet our 2026 exit rate ambition a year ahead of schedule. With better strategic positioning and a sharper product offering, asset management is well positioned to capture efficient growth through its differentiated capabilities. That includes alternatives where CHF 330 billion in invested assets in our Unified Global Alternatives unit makes us a top five limited partner with the critical scale necessary to provide our clients with access to innovative investment opportunities across private markets, hedge funds, and real estate. We also have deep traction across our ETF and index offering, our credit investments group, and our separately managed accounts capabilities developed in partnership with GWM.
Sergio Ermotti: For this reason, we also aim to achieve a reported cost-income ratio around 48% for 2028, even if rates remain at zero. In asset management, we have seen a significant improvement in operating leverage alongside the substantial completion of our integration priorities. This allowed us to meet our 2026 exit rate ambition a year ahead of schedule. With better strategic positioning and a sharper product offering, asset management is well positioned to capture efficient growth through its differentiated capabilities.
Speaker #1: For this reason, we also aim to achieve a reported cost-income ratio of around 48% for 2028, even if rates remain at zero.
Speaker #1: In Asset Management, we have seen a significant improvement in operating leverage alongside the substantial completion of our integration priorities. This allowed us to meet our 2026 exit rate ambition a year ahead of schedule, with better strategic positioning and a sharpened product offering.
Speaker #1: Asset management is well positioned to capture efficient growth through its differentiated capabilities. That includes alternatives, where $330 billion in invested assets in our unified global alternatives unit makes us a top five limited partner, with the critical scale necessary to provide our clients with access to innovative investment opportunities across private markets.
Sergio Ermotti: That includes alternatives where CHF 330 billion in invested assets in our Unified Global Alternatives unit makes us a top five limited partner with the critical scale necessary to provide our clients with access to innovative investment opportunities across private markets, hedge funds, and real estate. We also have deep traction across our ETF and index offering, our credit investments group, and our separately managed accounts capabilities developed in partnership with GWM.
Speaker #1: Hedge funds and real estate. We also have deep traction across our ETF and index offering. Our Credit Investments Group and our separately managed accounts capabilities.
Todd Tuckner: We intend to build on these areas of strength with an ambition to realize around 3% net new money growth through the cycle. Through a combination of growth, continued cost discipline, and the rationalization of our platform, we are targeting a reported cost-income ratio of around 65% by 2028. Turning to the Investment Bank, we are capitalizing on investments in our areas of strategic importance to enhance our client offering and deliver sustainable returns. In 2025, Global Markets had record revenues while Global Banking continued to benefit from the steadily improving market share since the acquisition. Our performance throughout the year also highlights the benefits of our diversified platform with leading franchises across Asia Pacific, EMEA, and Switzerland, complemented by a strengthened presence in the Americas.
Sergio Ermotti: We intend to build on these areas of strength with an ambition to realize around 3% net new money growth through the cycle. Through a combination of growth, continued cost discipline, and the rationalization of our platform, we are targeting a reported cost-income ratio of around 65% by 2028. Turning to the Investment Bank, we are capitalizing on investments in our areas of strategic importance to enhance our client offering and deliver sustainable returns. In 2025,
Speaker #1: Developed in partnership with GW. We intend to build on these areas of strength while targeting 3% net new money, with an ambition to drive growth around the cycle, through a combination of growth, continued cost discipline, and the rationalization of our platform.
Speaker #1: We are targeting a reported cost-income ratio of around 65% by 2028. Turning to the investment bank, we are capitalizing on investments in our areas of strategic importance to enhance our client offering and deliver sustainable returns.
Sergio Ermotti: Global Markets had record revenues while Global Banking continued to benefit from the steadily improving market share since the acquisition. Our performance throughout the year also highlights the benefits of our diversified platform with leading franchises across Asia Pacific, EMEA, and Switzerland, complemented by a strengthened presence in the Americas.
Speaker #1: In 2025, global markets hit record revenues, while Global Banking continued to benefit from the stable improvements, improving market share since the acquisition.
Speaker #1: Our performance throughout the year also highlights the benefits of our diversified platform with leading franchises across APAC, EMEA, and Switzerland, complemented by a strengthened presence in the Americas.
Todd Tuckner: Looking ahead, we expect global markets to continue to perform well in the current market environment, supported by enhanced market share in equities, FX, and precious metals, and by taking advantage of our reinforced global research capabilities. In global banking, our strengthened coverage and product teams are adding to an already healthy pipeline, providing us with momentum as 2026 gets underway. Assuming supportive markets, we still aim to double global banking revenues by the end of this year on an annualized basis compared to our 2022 baseline. At the same time, we will continue to build on our connectivity to GWM, PNC, and asset management to support growth across the group and generate a 15% reported return on attributed equity through the cycle. It will continue to consume no more than 25% of the group's Risk-Weighted Assets.
Sergio Ermotti: Looking ahead, we expect global markets to continue to perform well in the current market environment, supported by enhanced market share in equities, FX, and precious metals, and by taking advantage of our reinforced global research capabilities. In global banking, our strengthened coverage and product teams are adding to an already healthy pipeline, providing us with momentum as 2026 gets underway. Assuming supportive markets, we still aim to double global banking revenues by the end of this year on an annualized basis compared to our 2022 baseline.
Speaker #1: Looking ahead, we expect global markets to continue to perform well in the current market environment, supported by enhanced market share in equities, FX, and precious metals, and by taking advantage of our reinforced global research capabilities in Global Banking.
Speaker #1: Our strengthened coverage and product teams are adding to an already healthy pipeline, providing us with momentum underway as well. Assuming supportive 2026 gets markets.
Speaker #1: We still, in Global Banking, aim to double revenues by the end of this year on an annualized basis, compared to our 2022 baseline.
Sergio Ermotti: At the same time, we will continue to build on our connectivity to GWM, PNC, and asset management to support growth across the group and generate a 15% reported return on attributed equity through the cycle. It will continue to consume no more than 25% of the group's Risk-Weighted Assets.
Speaker #1: At the same time, we will continue to build on our connectivity to GWM, PSC, and Asset Management to support growth across the group and generate a 15% reported return on attributed equity through the cycle.
Speaker #1: it will continue And to consume more than no 25% of the group's risk weighted assets . execution of The last two years our efforts strategy and capital generative optimization financial resource have revenues over risk brought weighted assets , much closer to pre-acquisition levels .
Todd Tuckner: A consistent execution of our capital-generative strategy and our financial resource optimization efforts over the last 2 years have brought revenues over risk-weighted assets much closer to pre-acquisition levels. This gives us confidence that we have embedded the necessary capital discipline across our combined business and is more of a proof of our integration progress. Importantly, we can now fully focus on deploying capital towards accretive growth opportunities while following through on our capital return objectives. After repurchasing $3 billion of shares in 2025, we intend to buy back another $3 billion in 2026 with an aim to do more. The amount will be subject to our financial performance, maintaining a CET1 capital ratio of around 14%, and further clarity on the future regulatory regime in Switzerland. We expect to hear more on this later in the first half.
Sergio Ermotti: A consistent execution of our capital-generative strategy and our financial resource optimization efforts over the last 2 years have brought revenues over risk-weighted assets much closer to pre-acquisition levels. This gives us confidence that we have embedded the necessary capital discipline across our combined business and is more of a proof of our integration progress. Importantly, we can now fully focus on deploying capital towards accretive growth opportunities while following through on our capital return objectives.
Speaker #1: This gives us confidence that we are embedded , that we have embedded the necessary discipline capital across our combined business , and is more is more of a proof of our integration progress .
Speaker #1: Importantly, we can now fully focus on deploying capital towards accretive growth opportunities while following through on our capital return objectives. After repurchasing $3 billion of shares in 2025, we intend to buy back another $3 billion in 2026, with an aim to do more.
Sergio Ermotti: After repurchasing $3 billion of shares in 2025, we intend to buy back another $3 billion in 2026 with an aim to do more. The amount will be subject to our financial performance, maintaining a CET1 capital ratio of around 14%, and further clarity on the future regulatory regime in Switzerland. We expect to hear more on this later in the first half.
Speaker #1: The amount will be subject to financial our performance . Maintaining a Cet1 capital around ratio of 14% and further clarity on future regulatory the Switzerland , we expect to hear more on this later in the first half .
Todd Tuckner: Beyond 2026, we do not expect any change to our capital return policy. We intend to continue to pursue a progressive dividend. This will be complemented by a share buyback program that will be calibrated based on our financial results, and the final outcome and timing of implementation of the new regulatory regime in Switzerland. Once our restructuring work is behind us, we will be able to harvest the full benefits of the acquisition and produce sustainably higher returns. Our progress over the last two years and our expected profitability in 2026 will allow us to build towards our ambition to restore and surpass pre-acquisition levels of profitability. For 2028, we aim to deliver a reported return on CET1 capital of around 18% under the current capital framework and a reported cost-income ratio of around 67%.
Sergio Ermotti: Beyond 2026, we do not expect any change to our capital return policy. We intend to continue to pursue a progressive dividend. This will be complemented by a share buyback program that will be calibrated based on our financial results, and the final outcome and timing of implementation of the new regulatory regime in Switzerland. Once our restructuring work is behind us, we will be able to harvest the full benefits of the acquisition and produce sustainably higher returns.
Speaker #1: Beyond 2026, we do not expect any change to our capital, except for the return policy. We intend to continue to pursue a progressive dividend.
Speaker #1: This will be complemented by a share buyback program that will be calibrated based on our financial results and the final outcome and timing of implementation of the new regulatory regime.
Speaker #1: In Switzerland, once restructuring is behind us, we will be able to harvest the full benefits of the acquisition and produce sustainably higher returns.
Sergio Ermotti: Our progress over the last two years and our expected profitability in 2026 will allow us to build towards our ambition to restore and surpass pre-acquisition levels of profitability. For 2028, we aim to deliver a reported return on CET1 capital of around 18% under the current capital framework and a reported cost-income ratio of around 67%.
Speaker #1: Our progress over the last two years and our expected profitability in 2026 , will allow us to build towards our ambition to restore and surpass pre levels of profitability for 2028 , we aim to deliver a reported return on Cet1 capital of around 18% under the current capital framework and a reported cost income ratio of around 67% .
Todd Tuckner: A lot of hard work still lies ahead of us, but I'm more confident than ever in our ability to create significant value for all our clients, our people, our shareholders, and the communities where we live and work. With that, I hand back to Todd for more details on the plan. Thank you, Sergio. Bringing together the achievements and ambitions highlighted so far, slide 30 sets out the path as we work towards our 2026 exit rate targets of an underlying return on CET1 capital of around 15% and an underlying cost-income ratio below 70%. Underpinning this plan is our expectation that, on an overall basis, our core franchises will be the primary contributor to year-on-year pre-tax growth and return accretion.
Sergio Ermotti: A lot of hard work still lies ahead of us, but I'm more confident than ever in our ability to create significant value for all our clients, our people, our shareholders, and the communities where we live and work. With that, I hand back to Todd for more details on the plan.
Speaker #1: A lot of hard work still lies ahead of us , but I am more than confident than ever in our ability to significant value for all our create clients , our people , our shareholders , and the communities where and work we live .
Todd Tuckner: Thank you, Sergio. Bringing together the achievements and ambitions highlighted so far, slide 30 sets out the path as we work towards our 2026 exit rate targets of an underlying return on CET1 capital of around 15% and an underlying cost-income ratio below 70%. Underpinning this plan is our expectation that, on an overall basis, our core franchises will be the primary contributor to year-on-year pre-tax growth and return accretion.
Speaker #1: With that, back to Todd. I'll end for more details on the plan.
Speaker #2: Thank you, Sergio. Together, bringing the achievements and ambitions highlighted so far, Slide 30 sets out the path as we work towards our 2026 exit rate targets of an underlying return on Q1 capital of around 15%, and an underlying cost-income ratio below 70%.
Speaker #2: Underpinning this plan is our expectation that, on an overall basis, our core franchises will be the contributor to year-on-year primary pre-tax growth and return accretion.
Todd Tuckner: Building on the enhanced scale capabilities and competitive positioning we've already achieved, we expect broad-based revenue momentum in Global Wealth Management, the Investment Bank, and Asset Management to more than offset net interest income headwinds in personal and corporate banking. Critical to our return accretion, the imminent completion of client account migration in our Swiss booking center is set to unlock more meaningful cost reductions as we retire legacy infrastructure and create additional staff capacity, particularly benefiting our global wealth and Swiss franchises. In Non-Core and Legacy, we expect the continued rundown of costs during 2026 to further reduce the drag on returns. By year-end, the cost run rate is expected to be better sized to the limited residual portfolio, underscoring the further progress we intend in taking down this legacy cost base.
Todd Tuckner: Building on the enhanced scale capabilities and competitive positioning we've already achieved, we expect broad-based revenue momentum in Global Wealth Management, the Investment Bank, and Asset Management to more than offset net interest income headwinds in personal and corporate banking. Critical to our return accretion, the imminent completion of client account migration in our Swiss booking center is set to unlock more meaningful cost reductions as we retire legacy infrastructure and create additional staff capacity, particularly benefiting our global wealth and Swiss franchises.
Speaker #2: Building on the enhanced scale capabilities and competitive positioning , already achieved , we we've expect broad revenue based momentum in global wealth management .
Speaker #2: The investment bank and asset management continue to more than offset net interest income headwinds in Personal and Corporate Banking. Critical to our return accretion, the imminent completion of client account migration in our Swiss booking centre is set to unlock more meaningful cost reductions as we retire.
Speaker #2: Legacy infrastructure and create additional staff capacity, particularly benefiting our global wealth and franchises in non-core and legacy. We expect the continued rundown of costs during 2026 to further reduce the drag on returns by year-end.
Todd Tuckner: In Non-Core and Legacy, we expect the continued rundown of costs during 2026 to further reduce the drag on returns. By year-end, the cost run rate is expected to be better sized to the limited residual portfolio, underscoring the further progress we intend in taking down this legacy cost base.
Speaker #2: The cost run rate is expected to be better sized to the limited residual portfolio, underscoring the further progress we intend in taking down this legacy cost base.
Todd Tuckner: On capital, having already lifted revenues over RWAs to our 10% ambition and with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group, we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental resources to capture attractive growth opportunities while maintaining our RWA productivity. Accordingly, we expect disciplined capital deployment to underpin overall return accretion. Our 2025 effective tax rate was well below our structural level, reflecting material net litigation reserve releases in Non-Core and Legacy and tax planning linked to the optimization of our legal entity structure. Assuming no material reserve movements going forward and with a less meaningful drag from NCL, we expect our effective tax rate to normalize in 2026 to around 23% for the full year. Taken together, these factors are expected to translate to an underlying return on CET1 capital of approximately 13% and a cost-income ratio of around 73% for the full year 2026.
Todd Tuckner: On capital, having already lifted revenues over RWAs to our 10% ambition and with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group, we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental resources to capture attractive growth opportunities while maintaining our RWA productivity. Accordingly, we expect disciplined capital deployment to underpin overall return accretion. Our 2025 effective tax rate was well below our structural level, reflecting material net litigation reserve releases in Non-Core and Legacy and tax planning linked to the optimization of our legal entity structure.
Speaker #2: capital . Having already lifted revenues over Rwas to our 10% ambition , and with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group , we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental resources to capture attractive growth opportunities while maintaining RWA our productivity .
Speaker #2: Accordingly , we expect capital disciplined deployment to underpin overall return accretion . Our 2025 effective tax rate was well below our structural level , reflecting material net litigation , reserve releases in non-core and legacy and tax planning linked to the of our optimization legal entity structure .
Todd Tuckner: Assuming no material reserve movements going forward and with a less meaningful drag from NCL, we expect our effective tax rate to normalize in 2026 to around 23% for the full year. Taken together, these factors are expected to translate to an underlying return on CET1 capital of approximately 13% and a cost-income ratio of around 73% for the full year 2026.
Speaker #2: Assuming no material reserve movements going forward and less meaningful with a from NCL, we expect our effective tax rate to normalize in 2026 to around 23% for the full year.
Speaker #2: Taken together, these factors are expected to translate to an underlying return on Q1 capital of approximately 13%, and a cost/income ratio of around 73%.
Todd Tuckner: As we've highlighted in the past, all of 2026 is required to deliver the remaining integration milestones, with net saves expected to build progressively, and a greater proportion weighted to the second half. This is why we focus on exit rate targets. By the end of this year, with integration execution substantially complete, the remaining synergies largely captured, and the run rate benefit of the net savings embedded in our cost base, we expect an annualized view of our normalized run rate of underlying OPEX to provide an appropriate basis for the cost-income ratio that we aim to deliver from that point forward. Turning to costs on slide 31. As of year-end, we've delivered CHF 10.7 billion of cumulative gross run rate cost saves, including CHF 3.2 billion in 2025.
Todd Tuckner: As we've highlighted in the past, all of 2026 is required to deliver the remaining integration milestones, with net saves expected to build progressively, and a greater proportion weighted to the second half. This is why we focus on exit rate targets. By the end of this year, with integration execution substantially complete, the remaining synergies largely captured, and the run rate benefit of the net savings embedded in our cost base,
Speaker #2: For the full year 2026. As we've highlighted in the past, all of 2026 is required to deliver the integration remaining milestones, with saves net build progressing and a greater proportion weighted to the second half.
Speaker #2: This is why we focus on exit rate targets by the end of this year , with integration , execution substantially complete , the remaining synergies largely captured , and the run rate benefit of the net savings embedded in our cost base .
Todd Tuckner: we expect an annualized view of our normalized run rate of underlying OPEX to provide an appropriate basis for the cost-income ratio that we aim to deliver from that point forward. Turning to costs on slide 31. As of year-end, we've delivered CHF 10.7 billion of cumulative gross run rate cost saves, including CHF 3.2 billion in 2025.
Speaker #2: We expect an annualized view of our normalized run rate of underlying opex to provide an appropriate basis for the cost-income ratio that we aim to deliver from that point forward.
Speaker #2: Turning to costs on slide 31 . As of year end , we've delivered 10.7 billion of cumulative gross run rate cost savings , including 3.2 billion in 2025 , compared to our 2022 baseline .
Todd Tuckner: Compared to our 2022 baseline, this has reduced our cost base by around 25%, excluding currency effects, litigation, and variable compensation linked to production, and by around 12% on an overall basis. Building on this progress and through the execution of our integration roadmap, we identified during our planning process around CHF 500 million of incremental gross cost saves to be delivered by the end of 2026, taking the plan total to approximately CHF 13.5 billion. These incremental savings are enabled by our simplification agenda in addition to the decommissioning work underway and help shape our post-integration operating model, creating capacity to invest in technology and talent for future growth while supporting the delivery of our exit rate targets.
Todd Tuckner: Compared to our 2022 baseline, this has reduced our cost base by around 25%, excluding currency effects, litigation, and variable compensation linked to production, and by around 12% on an overall basis. Building on this progress and through the execution of our integration roadmap, we identified during our planning process around CHF 500 million of incremental gross cost saves to be delivered by the end of 2026, taking the plan total to approximately CHF 13.5 billion. These incremental savings are enabled by our simplification agenda in addition to the decommissioning work underway and help shape our post-integration operating model, creating capacity to invest in technology and talent for future growth while supporting the delivery of our exit rate targets.
Speaker #2: This has reduced our cost base by around 25%, excluding currency effects, litigation, and variable compensation linked to production, and by around 12% on an overall basis.
Speaker #2: Building on this progress and through the execution of our integration roadmap, we identified during our planning process around $500 million of incremental gross savings to cost, to be delivered by the end of 2026.
Speaker #2: Taking the planned total to approximately 13.5 billion . These incremental savings are enabled by our simplification agenda . In addition to the decommissioning work underway , and help shape our post operating model , creating capacity to invest in technology and talent for future growth .
Todd Tuckner: Of the residual CHF 2.8 billion of gross cost reduction targeted for this year, around 40% is expected to come from technology infrastructure and run costs, 40% from workforce capacity, and the remainder from third-party spend and real estate. The biggest driver is retiring the Credit Suisse platform in Switzerland, which in turn enables the phase-out of associated middle and back-office systems. With client migrations in the Swiss booking center running through the end of Q1, the most complex decommissioning work ramps up from mid-year, driving more meaningful net savings realization from that point onward. Turning to cost to achieve. The CHF 13 billion of integration-related expenses incurred to date reflects both the scale of execution delivered so far and the additional efficiency opportunities unlocked as we progressed, supporting incremental savings and faster benefit capture.
Todd Tuckner: Of the residual CHF 2.8 billion of gross cost reduction targeted for this year, around 40% is expected to come from technology infrastructure and run costs, 40% from workforce capacity, and the remainder from third-party spend and real estate. The biggest driver is retiring the Credit Suisse platform in Switzerland, which in turn enables the phase-out of associated middle and back-office systems. With client migrations in the Swiss booking center running through the end of Q1, the most complex decommissioning work ramps up from mid-year, driving more meaningful net savings realization from that point onward. Turning to cost to achieve. The CHF 13 billion of integration-related expenses incurred to date reflects both the scale of execution delivered so far and the additional efficiency opportunities unlocked as we progressed, supporting incremental savings and faster benefit capture.
Speaker #2: While supporting the of our delivery exit rate targets of the residual 2.8 billion of gross cost reduction targeted for this year , around 40% is expected to come from technology , infrastructure and run costs , 40% from workforce capacity , and the remainder from third party spend and real estate .
Speaker #2: The driver, biggest Credit Suisse, the retiring platform in Switzerland, which in turn enables the phaseout of associated middle and back office systems with client migrations in the Swiss booking centre running through the end of the first quarter.
Speaker #2: the The most complex decommissioning work ramps up from mid-year , driving more meaningful net savings . Realization . From that point onward . Turning to cost to achieve the 13 billion of integration related expenses incurred to date reflects both the scale of execution delivered so far and the additional efficiency opportunities unlocked as we progressed .
Todd Tuckner: For 2026, we expect around CHF 2 billion of additional integration-related expenses to deliver on our cost-saving ambition. This amount reflects continued execution intensity and targeted investment to deliver incremental savings alongside the remaining integration synergies. Notably, the cost-to-achieve multiple remains unchanged at 1.1x, underscoring continued discipline and cost control through this highly complex integration. As a result, we now expect final cumulative integration-related expenses to be around CHF 15 billion at historical FX by the end of 2026. A further important driver of the cost synergies underpinning our plan to deliver our exit rate cost-income ratio target is the continued cost reduction in Non-Core and Legacy, as shown on slide 32. Since its formation following the acquisition, NCL has reduced its RWAs by two-thirds, freeing up nearly CHF 8 billion of capital, and has cut operating costs by roughly 80%.
Todd Tuckner: For 2026, we expect around CHF 2 billion of additional integration-related expenses to deliver on our cost-saving ambition. This amount reflects continued execution intensity and targeted investment to deliver incremental savings alongside the remaining integration synergies. Notably, the cost-to-achieve multiple remains unchanged at 1.1x, underscoring continued discipline and cost control through this highly complex integration. As a result, we now expect final cumulative integration-related expenses to be around CHF 15 billion at historical FX by the end of 2026. A further important driver of the cost synergies underpinning our plan to deliver our exit rate cost-income ratio target is the continued cost reduction in Non-Core and Legacy, as shown on slide 32. Since its formation following the acquisition, NCL has reduced its RWAs by two-thirds, freeing up nearly CHF 8 billion of capital, and has cut operating costs by roughly 80%.
Speaker #2: Supporting incremental savings and faster benefit capture for 2026, we expect around $2 billion of additional integration-related expenses to deliver on our cost-saving ambition.
Speaker #2: This amount reflects continued execution intensity and targeted investment to deliver incremental savings alongside the remaining integration synergies. Notably, the cost to achieve multiple remains unchanged at 1.1 times, underscoring continued discipline and cost control through this highly complex integration.
Speaker #2: As a result, we now expect final cumulative integration-related expenses to be around $15 billion at historical FX by the end of 2026.
Speaker #2: A further important driver of the cost synergies underpinning our plan to deliver our exit rate, cost-income ratio target, is the continued cost reduction in non-core and legacy.
Speaker #2: As shown on slide 32 , since its formation following the acquisition , NCL has reduced its Roas by two thirds , freeing up nearly 8 billion of capital , and has cut operating costs by roughly 80% .
Todd Tuckner: We've also exited the costliest debt inherited from Credit Suisse and resolved several of the most complex legacy litigation matters. With the vast majority of the balance sheet rundown now behind us, the team is squarely focused on driving further cost efficiencies. As a result, we expect to exit 2026 with annualized operating expenses, excluding litigation, of approximately CHF 500 million, around 40% of 2025 levels, and annualized net funding costs of less than CHF 200 million, reflecting savings from November's liability management exercise. We then see the resulting pre-tax loss run rate halving again by 2028 and tapering to immaterial levels thereafter. We also expect NCL to exit 2026 with around CHF 28 billion of RWAs, consisting of CHF 4 billion of market and credit risk and CHF 24 billion of operational risk. On op-risk, we recently updated our run-off projections as part of our annual review.
Todd Tuckner: We've also exited the costliest debt inherited from Credit Suisse and resolved several of the most complex legacy litigation matters. With the vast majority of the balance sheet rundown now behind us, the team is squarely focused on driving further cost efficiencies. As a result, we expect to exit 2026 with annualized operating expenses, excluding litigation, of approximately CHF 500 million, around 40% of 2025 levels, and annualized net funding costs of less than CHF 200 million, reflecting savings from November's liability management exercise. We then see the resulting pre-tax loss run rate halving again by 2028 and tapering to immaterial levels thereafter. We also expect NCL to exit 2026 with around CHF 28 billion of RWAs, consisting of CHF 4 billion of market and credit risk and CHF 24 billion of operational risk. On op-risk, we recently updated our run-off projections as part of our annual review.
Speaker #2: We've also exited the costliest debt inherited from Credit Suisse and resolved several of the most complex legacy litigation matters. With the vast majority of the rundown now balance sheet behind us, the team is squarely focused on driving further cost efficiencies.
Speaker #2: As a result, we expect to exit 2026 with annualized operating expenses, excluding litigation, of approximately $500 million—around 40% of 2025 levels.
Speaker #2: An annualized net funding cost of less than $200 million, reflecting savings from November's liability management exercise. We then see the resulting pre-tax loss run rate halving again by 2028 and tapering to immaterial levels thereafter.
Speaker #2: We also expect NCL to exit 2026 with around $28 billion of RWAs, consisting of $4 billion of market and credit risk, and $24 billion of operational risk on risk.
Todd Tuckner: Legacy provisions and settlements reflecting last year's significant progress in resolving inherited legal matters broadly offset other roll-offs, so our year-end 2025 balance and our expected 2026 balance remain broadly unchanged at around CHF 24 billion. Looking forward and reflecting our regulators' instructions, we continue to include certain discontinued businesses in the 10-year loss history and do not assume any accelerated releases. Under these assumptions, roughly 10% of the current balance rolls off through 2030, with the remainder substantially running off between 2031 and 2035. Staying with risk-weighted assets and capital efficiency on slide 33. As the slide illustrates, we've made meaningful progress in lifting our revenues over RWAs back to our ambition level of around 10% from less than 8% just two years ago. This principally reflects three drivers. First, strong progress in running down NCL, reducing RWAs, and freeing up capacity.
Todd Tuckner: Legacy provisions and settlements reflecting last year's significant progress in resolving inherited legal matters broadly offset other roll-offs, so our year-end 2025 balance and our expected 2026 balance remain broadly unchanged at around CHF 24 billion. Looking forward and reflecting our regulators' instructions, we continue to include certain discontinued businesses in the 10-year loss history and do not assume any accelerated releases. Under these assumptions, roughly 10% of the current balance rolls off through 2030, with the remainder substantially running off between 2031 and 2035. Staying with risk-weighted assets and capital efficiency on slide 33. As the slide illustrates, we've made meaningful progress in lifting our revenues over RWAs back to our ambition level of around 10% from less than 8% just two years ago. This principally reflects three drivers. First, strong progress in running down NCL, reducing RWAs, and freeing up capacity.
Speaker #2: We recently updated our run-off projections as part of our annual review. Legacy provisions and settlements are reflecting last year's progress resolving inherited legal matters, broadly in significant offset to other roll-offs.
Speaker #2: So our year end 2025 balance and our expected 2026 balance remain broadly unchanged . At around 24 billion . Looking forward and reflecting our regulators instructions , we continue to include certain discontinued businesses in the ten year loss history and do not assume any accelerated releases under these assumptions , roughly 10% of the current balance rolls off through 2030 , with the remainder substantially running off between 2031 and 2035 .
Speaker #2: Staying with risk-weighted assets and capital efficiency on slide 33, as the slide illustrates, we've made meaningful progress in lifting our revenues over RWAs back to our ambition level of around 10%, from less than 8% just two years ago.
Speaker #2: This principally reflects three drivers . First , strong progress in rwas and NCL , reducing up freeing down running capacity . Second , disciplined balance sheet optimization across our core businesses .
Todd Tuckner: Second, disciplined balance sheet optimization across our core businesses since the acquisition, ensuring we earn appropriate returns for the risk deployed. And third, stronger underlying performance, particularly in 2025, where we monetized the value of our enhanced scale, capabilities, and competitive positioning to translate constructive markets into meaningful revenue growth and share gains, with a greater proportion of the uplift coming from the more capital-light parts of the franchise. On that stronger footing and with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group, we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental balance sheet to support profitable revenue growth across our core businesses. Specifically, as our focus shifts from restoring capital discipline to enabling the next phase of growth, we are no longer guiding to an RWA target.
Todd Tuckner: Second, disciplined balance sheet optimization across our core businesses since the acquisition, ensuring we earn appropriate returns for the risk deployed. And third, stronger underlying performance, particularly in 2025, where we monetized the value of our enhanced scale, capabilities, and competitive positioning to translate constructive markets into meaningful revenue growth and share gains, with a greater proportion of the uplift coming from the more capital-light parts of the franchise. On that stronger footing and with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group, we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental balance sheet to support profitable revenue growth across our core businesses. Specifically, as our focus shifts from restoring capital discipline to enabling the next phase of growth, we are no longer guiding to an RWA target.
Speaker #2: the Since acquisition , ensuring we earn appropriate returns for the risk deployed and third , stronger underlying performance , particularly in 2025 where we monetized the value of our enhanced scale capabilities and competitive positioning to translate constructive markets into meaningful revenue growth and share gains .
Speaker #2: With a greater proportion of the uplift coming from the more capital light parts of the franchise on that stronger footing . And with capital efficiency embedded in how we allocate resources across the group , we're well positioned to selectively deploy incremental balance sheet to support profitable revenue growth across our core businesses , specifically as our focus shifts from restoring capital discipline to enabling the next phase of growth , we are no longer guiding to an RWA target .
Todd Tuckner: Rather, we expect our risk-weighted assets trajectory to be a function of our growth ambitions and discipline execution as we drive higher returns while maintaining a strong capital position and retaining the RWA productivity we've restored since the acquisition. I should note that we're driving this capital efficiency and productivity while absorbing RWA headwinds from the final Basel III implementation in Switzerland, which has had a cumulative net impact of adding around $60 billion of RWAs since we started preparing for its adoption over the last several years. In addition, we're preparing for the phase-in of the Basel III output floor, and we continue to work to mitigate its impact through actions such as improving data quality, and pursuing external ratings for relevant counterparties and business areas.
Todd Tuckner: Rather, we expect our risk-weighted assets trajectory to be a function of our growth ambitions and discipline execution as we drive higher returns while maintaining a strong capital position and retaining the RWA productivity we've restored since the acquisition. I should note that we're driving this capital efficiency and productivity while absorbing RWA headwinds from the final Basel III implementation in Switzerland, which has had a cumulative net impact of adding around $60 billion of RWAs since we started preparing for its adoption over the last several years. In addition, we're preparing for the phase-in of the Basel III output floor, and we continue to work to mitigate its impact through actions such as improving data quality, and pursuing external ratings for relevant counterparties and business areas.
Speaker #2: Rather , we expect our risk weighted assets trajectory to be a function of our growth ambitions and discipline execution . As we drive higher returns while maintaining a strong capital position and retaining the RWA productivity , we've restored since the acquisition .
Speaker #2: I should note that we're driving this capital efficiency and productivity while absorbing RWA headwinds from the final Basel III implementation in Switzerland, which has had a cumulative net impact of adding around 60 billion of RWAs since we started preparing for its adoption over the last several years.
Speaker #2: In addition, we're preparing for the phasing of the Basel III output floor, and we continue to work to mitigate its impact through actions such as improving data quality and pursuing external ratings for relevant counterparties and business areas on our platform.
Todd Tuckner: Based on our current estimates, the effect should remain modest: no impact in 2026, potentially up to 1% in 2027, and around 2% in 2028 when the output floor reaches its fully phased level of 72.5% of standardized RWAs. Adding to this, the current Swiss application of an internal loss multiplier is driving materially higher operational risk RWAs than we would expect under the corresponding implementations in the UK, the EU, and the US, where authorities are expected to set the ILM at 1. In that case, op-risk RWAs would be driven by the revenue-based business indicator alone, which for us would mean CHF 40 billion lower risk-weighted assets. Turning to capital on slide 34. As of year-end, our group total loss-absorbing capacity stood at CHF 187 billion, with a going concern capital ratio of 18.5%.
Todd Tuckner: Based on our current estimates, the effect should remain modest: no impact in 2026, potentially up to 1% in 2027, and around 2% in 2028 when the output floor reaches its fully phased level of 72.5% of standardized RWAs. Adding to this, the current Swiss application of an internal loss multiplier is driving materially higher operational risk RWAs than we would expect under the corresponding implementations in the UK, the EU, and the US, where authorities are expected to set the ILM at 1. In that case, op-risk RWAs would be driven by the revenue-based business indicator alone, which for us would mean CHF 40 billion lower risk-weighted assets. Turning to capital on slide 34. As of year-end, our group total loss-absorbing capacity stood at CHF 187 billion, with a going concern capital ratio of 18.5%.
Speaker #2: current Based estimates , the effect should remain modest . No impact in 2026 , potentially up to 1% in 2027 , and around 2% in 2028 .
Speaker #2: When the output floor reaches its fully phased level of 72.5% of standardized RWAs. Adding to this, currently in Switzerland, the application of an internal loss multiplier is driving materially higher operational risk RWAs than we would expect under the corresponding implementations in the UK.
Speaker #2: The EU and the US . Where authorities are expected to set the ILM at one . In that case , our risk rwas would be driven by the revenue based business indicator alone , which for us would mean 40 billion lower risk weighted assets .
Speaker #2: Turning to capital on slide 34 . As of year end , our group total loss absorbing capacity stood at 187 billion . With a going concern , capital ratio of 18.5% .
Todd Tuckner: As already highlighted, our group CET1 capital ratio was 14.4% and reflected a CHF 3 billion reserve for planned share repurchases in 2026. Looking ahead, we continue to target a CET1 capital ratio of around 14%, giving us a robust buffer above regulatory minimums and the capacity to both self-fund growth and deliver attractive capital returns. This said, as Sergio mentioned, it's our intention to continue to buy back shares beyond 2026. While it's premature to comment on the absolute level of future repurchases, we may begin accruing later this year for a portion of the 2027 share buyback. The timing and pace of any accrual will depend on our financial performance, developments in the Swiss capital framework, and our ability to operate at our CET1 capital ratio target of around 14%.
Todd Tuckner: As already highlighted, our group CET1 capital ratio was 14.4% and reflected a CHF 3 billion reserve for planned share repurchases in 2026. Looking ahead, we continue to target a CET1 capital ratio of around 14%, giving us a robust buffer above regulatory minimums and the capacity to both self-fund growth and deliver attractive capital returns. This said, as Sergio mentioned, it's our intention to continue to buy back shares beyond 2026. While it's premature to comment on the absolute level of future repurchases, we may begin accruing later this year for a portion of the 2027 share buyback. The timing and pace of any accrual will depend on our financial performance, developments in the Swiss capital framework, and our ability to operate at our CET1 capital ratio target of around 14%.
Speaker #2: As already highlighted , our group Ct1 capital ratio was 14.4% and reflected a 3 billion reserve for planned share repurchases in 2026 . Looking ahead , we continue to target a set one capital ratio of around 14% , giving us a robust buffer above regulatory and the minimums capacity to both self-fund growth and deliver attractive capital returns .
Speaker #2: This said , as Sergio mentioned , it's our intention to continue to buy back shares beyond 2026 . While it's premature to comment on the absolute level of future repurchases , we may begin accruing later this year for a portion of the buyback .
Speaker #2: The timing and pace of any accrual will depend on our financial performance . Developments Swiss capital framework and our ability to operate at our Cet1 capital ratio target of around 14% .
Todd Tuckner: As we await the final capital ordinance expected later this half, our CET1 capital ratio may therefore temporarily sit above our target level. Onto AT1s. With approximately CHF 13 billion of issuance since the acquisition, our AT1s reach 4% of RWAs at year-end against a current regulatory allowance of 4.4%. For 2026, having already placed CHF 3 billion of our targeted CHF 3.5 billion of AT1 issuance in January, we're well advanced on our AT1 funding plan for the year. We'll continue to stay close to the market and, where it makes sense, bring our issuances forward. In terms of gone-concern capital, we closed the year with CHF 90 billion of TLAC eligible debt. Looking ahead to 2026, as we continue to optimize our gone-concern capital stack, we target approximately CHF 11 billion of holdco issuances against around CHF 20 billion of expected maturities, redemptions, and first calls.
Todd Tuckner: As we await the final capital ordinance expected later this half, our CET1 capital ratio may therefore temporarily sit above our target level. Onto AT1s. With approximately CHF 13 billion of issuance since the acquisition, our AT1s reach 4% of RWAs at year-end against a current regulatory allowance of 4.4%. For 2026, having already placed CHF 3 billion of our targeted CHF 3.5 billion of AT1 issuance in January, we're well advanced on our AT1 funding plan for the year. We'll continue to stay close to the market and, where it makes sense, bring our issuances forward. In terms of gone-concern capital, we closed the year with CHF 90 billion of TLAC eligible debt. Looking ahead to 2026, as we continue to optimize our gone-concern capital stack, we target approximately CHF 11 billion of holdco issuances against around CHF 20 billion of expected maturities, redemptions, and first calls.
Speaker #2: As we await the final capital ordinance expected later this half hour, CET1 capital ratio may therefore temporarily sit above our target level. On to AT1: with approximately $13 billion of issuance since the acquisition, our AT1 reached 4% of RWAs at year-end, against a current regulatory allowance of 4.4% for 2026.
Speaker #2: Having already placed $3 billion of our targeted $3.5 billion of AT1 issuance in January, we're well advanced on our AT1 funding plan for the year.
Speaker #2: We'll continue to stay close to the— and where it makes sense, bring our issuances forward in terms of gone concern capital. We closed the year with $90 billion of TLAC-eligible debt.
Speaker #2: Looking ahead to 2026, as we continue to optimize our total Group concerned capital stack, we target approximately $11 billion of Holdco issuances against around $20 billion of expected maturities, redemptions, and first calls since the start of the integration discipline.
Todd Tuckner: Since the start of the integration, disciplined execution of our funding strategy has generated around CHF 1.2 billion in net funding cost savings, exceeding our original 2026 target of CHF 1 billion. Just as importantly, we've strengthened the quality and composition of our liability profile, reinforcing our balance sheet for all seasons and positioning us well to fund growth through the cycle. To conclude on page 35. The strategic financial and operational improvements we delivered during the past year reinforce our confidence in achieving our 2026 exit rate targets and give us a clear line of sight into the drivers of performance that support our financial ambitions beyond the conclusion of the integration. With that, let's open up for questions. We will now begin the question and answer session for analysts and investors. Participants are requested to use only hands while asking a question.
Todd Tuckner: Since the start of the integration, disciplined execution of our funding strategy has generated around CHF 1.2 billion in net funding cost savings, exceeding our original 2026 target of CHF 1 billion. Just as importantly, we've strengthened the quality and composition of our liability profile, reinforcing our balance sheet for all seasons and positioning us well to fund growth through the cycle. To conclude on page 35. The strategic financial and operational improvements we delivered during the past year reinforce our confidence in achieving our 2026 exit rate targets and give us a clear line of sight into the drivers of performance that support our financial ambitions beyond the conclusion of the integration. With that, let's open up for questions.
Speaker #2: Execution of our funding strategy has generated around 1.2 billion in net funding cost savings , exceeding our 2026 original target of 1 billion .
Speaker #2: Just as importantly, we've strengthened the quality and composition of our liability profile, reinforcing our balance sheet for all seasons and positioning us well to fund growth through the cycle.
Speaker #2: To conclude, on page 35, the strategic, financial, and operational improvements we delivered during the past year reinforce our confidence in achieving our 2026 exit rate targets and give us a clear line of sight into the drivers of performance that support our financial ambitions.
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Speaker #2: Beyond the conclusion of the integration . With that , let's open up for questions .
Speaker #3: We will now begin the question-and-answer session for analysts and investors. Participants are requested to use only handsets while asking a question.
Todd Tuckner: Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from the line of Chris Hallam from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Yep, good morning, everybody. So Todd, you talked at the start of the call about the CHF 9 billion of capital you've been able to upstream from the subsidiaries and that CHF 26 billion drop in RWAs at the parent bank, and then I guess there's more that you plan to do. So if we were to rerun the math that got us to the CHF 24 billion foreign sub-capital shortfall earlier in the year, is it fair to say that number today would be lower? And can you give us a sense, sort of by how much lower and how much repatriation and rebalancing you can still do to work that number lower from here?
Operator: Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question comes from the line of Chris Hallam from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Speaker #3: Anyone who has a may one at this time The first question comes from the question press . star line of Chris Hallam from Goldman Sachs .
Chris Hallam: Yep, good morning, everybody. So Todd, you talked at the start of the call about the CHF 9 billion of capital you've been able to upstream from the subsidiaries and that CHF 26 billion drop in RWAs at the parent bank, and then I guess there's more that you plan to do. So if we were to rerun the math that got us to the CHF 24 billion foreign sub-capital shortfall earlier in the year, is it fair to say that number today would be lower? And can you give us a sense, sort of by how much lower and how much repatriation and rebalancing you can still do to work that number lower from here?
Speaker #3: Please go ahead .
Speaker #4: Yes . Good morning everybody . So Todd , you talked at the call start of the about the 9 billion of capital you've been able to upstream from the subsidiaries and that 26 billion drop in was at the parent bank .
Speaker #4: And then I guess there's more that you plan to do. So if we were to rerun the maths that got us to the $24 billion foreign sub capital shortfall earlier in the year, is it fair to say that number today would be lower?
Speaker #4: And can you give us a sense sort of by how much lower and how much repatriation rebalancing still do you can work out to lower from here .
Todd Tuckner: Then second question, which is more broadly, I guess, on the group. You've got the 13% CET1 guide for this year. You know, January 1st, there was a strong narrative across the street on the potential for better capital markets activity levels this year, effectively a bit of a Goldilocks operating environment. Now the backdrop appears more volatile. So if we spend much of 2026 with this current market backdrop, elevated volatility, dollar weakness, more questions around public and private market valuation levels, how would that impact, you know, the group across your various businesses? How resilient would the 13% target be in that context? And I guess anything we'd want to think about in terms of the banking target, 26 versus 22. And it's just on that target. Is that now run rate?
Chris Hallam: Then second question, which is more broadly, I guess, on the group. You've got the 13% CET1 guide for this year. You know, January 1st, there was a strong narrative across the street on the potential for better capital markets activity levels this year, effectively a bit of a Goldilocks operating environment. Now the backdrop appears more volatile. So if we spend much of 2026 with this current market backdrop, elevated volatility, dollar weakness, more questions around public and private market valuation levels, how would that impact, you know, the group across your various businesses? How resilient would the 13% target be in that context? And I guess anything we'd want to think about in terms of the banking target, 26 versus 22. And it's just on that target. Is that now run rate?
Speaker #4: And then, second question, which is more broadly, I guess, on the group, you've got the 13% RAC1 guide for this year.
Speaker #4: You know, Jan, at first there was a strong narrative across the Street on the potential for better capital markets activity levels this year.
Speaker #4: Effectively a bit of a Goldilocks operating environment . Now the backdrop appears more volatile . So if we spend much of market 2026 with this current backdrop , elevated volatility , dollar weakness , more questions around private public and market valuation levels .
Speaker #4: that How would impact , you know , your the group across your various businesses ? How resilient would the 13% target be in that context ?
Speaker #4: And I guess anything you'd want to think about terms of in the banking target , 26 versus 22 ? And it's just on that target , is that our run rate ?
Todd Tuckner: 'Cause I think it used to be 2.6, 2.2, and 2.6, and now it's on an annualized basis. So just check if that's shifted to an exit run rate guide as well. Thank you. Hey, Chris. Thanks for the, for the question. So on the first one, yes, it's fair to say that the, if you rerun the numbers, that the uptick from Q1 2025 or indeed Q2 2025 would be lower for this. But you know, naturally, as we've said, we always had every intention to upstream this capital. You know, it's important to reiterate that this capital that we've been repatriating from the Credit Suisse subs was always part of our planning. You know, our strong progress in de-risking the entities, as I mentioned, you know, has in these cases just simply accelerated the return of the capital.
Chris Hallam: 'Cause I think it used to be 2.6, 2.2, and 2.6, and now it's on an annualized basis. So just check if that's shifted to an exit run rate guide as well. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Because I think it used to be double 20, double 22, and 26. And now it's on an annualized basis. So just check if that's shifted to an exit run rate guide as well.
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Chris. Thanks for the, for the question. So on the first one, yes, it's fair to say that the, if you rerun the numbers, that the uptick from Q1 2025 or indeed Q2 2025 would be lower for this. But you know, naturally, as we've said, we always had every intention to upstream this capital. You know, it's important to reiterate that this capital that we've been repatriating from the Credit Suisse subs was always part of our planning. You know, our strong progress in de-risking the entities, as I mentioned, you know, has in these cases just simply accelerated the return of the capital.
Speaker #4: Thank you .
Speaker #2: Chris . Hey Thanks for the for the question . So on the on the first one . Yes , it's fair to say the that if you rerun the numbers that the uptick from one Q 25 or indeed two Q 25 would be lower for this .
Speaker #2: But , you know , naturally , as as we've said , intention upstream this capital we we to every , you know , it's it's important to that reiterate this this capital that we've been repatriating from the Credit Suisse subs was always part of our planning .
Speaker #2: You know , our strong progress in de-risking the entities . As I mentioned , you know , has in these cases , just simply accelerated the return of the capital .
Todd Tuckner: We've always assumed we would get it. It's always been formed part of our planning. It's also been assumed to be upstreamed and informed what we told you a year ago, in bringing our equity double leverage ratio to pre-Credit Suisse acquisition levels to around 100%. So that hasn't changed. What has changed, obviously, is the pace at which the cash has come up to the parent bank, one. And two, the fact that, as, as we've mentioned, FX-driven headwinds on the Tier 1 leverage ratios of several group entities, including UBS AG consolidated, you know, forces us to pace intercompany dividends, including at the UBS AG level, and as a result, limits, you know, how much capital in the very near term we can upstream to group. But, you know, certainly mathematically, your inference is correct.
Todd Tuckner: We've always assumed we would get it. It's always been formed part of our planning. It's also been assumed to be upstreamed and informed what we told you a year ago, in bringing our equity double leverage ratio to pre-Credit Suisse acquisition levels to around 100%. So that hasn't changed. What has changed, obviously, is the pace at which the cash has come up to the parent bank, one. And two, the fact that, as, as we've mentioned, FX-driven headwinds on the Tier 1 leverage ratios of several group entities, including UBS AG consolidated, you know, forces us to pace intercompany dividends, including at the UBS AG level, and as a result, limits, you know, how much capital in the very near term we can upstream to group. But, you know, certainly mathematically, your inference is correct.
Speaker #2: We've always assumed we would get it. It always hasn't been a part of our planning. It's also been assumed to be upstream.
Speaker #2: Then informed what we told you a year ago in bringing our equity leverage to ratio pre Credit Suisse acquisition levels to around 100% , so that hasn't changed .
Speaker #2: has What changed obviously is the pace at which the cash has come up to the parent bank . One and two , the fact that as we've mentioned , driven headwinds FX on the tier one leverage ratios of several group entities , including UBS AG consolidated , you know , forces us to pace intercompany dividends , including at the UBS AG level .
Speaker #2: And as a result , limits how much capital in the very near term we can upstream to group . But , you know , certainly mathematically , your inference is correct in terms of the the current environment .
Todd Tuckner: In terms of the current environment, yeah, I mean, we certainly recognize and in our outlook statement, talking about 2026, recognize that we entered the quarter with constructive markets continuing, you know, still seeing higher dispersion and lower correlation in markets that, you know, informed constructive two-way trading in our IB and still our wealth clients remaining risk-on despite the need to continue to diversify across asset classes and geography. Of course, you know, as volatility, as we've said, event-driven volatility from various things, whether it be geopolitics or some of what we've been seeing recently, naturally, you know, suggests that things can turn quickly. So, you know, we're focused just on what we can control, and the ambitions and targets we've laid out, you know, reflect that.
Todd Tuckner: In terms of the current environment, yeah, I mean, we certainly recognize and in our outlook statement, talking about 2026, recognize that we entered the quarter with constructive markets continuing, you know, still seeing higher dispersion and lower correlation in markets that, you know, informed constructive two-way trading in our IB and still our wealth clients remaining risk-on despite the need to continue to diversify across asset classes and geography. Of course, you know, as volatility, as we've said, event-driven volatility from various things, whether it be geopolitics or some of what we've been seeing recently, naturally, you know, suggests that things can turn quickly. So, you know, we're focused just on what we can control, and the ambitions and targets we've laid out, you know, reflect that.
Speaker #2: Yeah , I mean , we we certainly recognize and in our outlook statement talking about 2026 , recognize that we entered the the quarter with constructive markets continuing , you know , still seeing higher dispersion and lower correlation in markets that , you know , informed us constructive two way trading in in our IB and still our wealth clients remaining risk on despite the need to continue to diversify across asset classes and and geography .
Speaker #2: Of course , you know , as volatility , as we've said from , event driven various volatility things , whether it be geopolitics or some of what we've been seeing recently , naturally , you know , suggest that things can turn quickly .
Speaker #2: So , you know , we're focused just on what we can control . And and and the ambitions and targets we've laid out , you know , reflect that on the on the banking target .
Todd Tuckner: On the banking target, I think it's fair to say that we remain confident in our ability to continue to scale up. You know, what you and I have discussed many times, in terms of doubling the 2022 revenues in 2026, Sergio made the comment in his prepared remarks. It's fair to say that the front half of 2025, for banking in particular, where we're indexed in some of the markets and with ECM only picking up later in 2025, you know, effectively delayed us a bit. And as a result, Sergio and I are talking about, you know, getting there in 2026 on an annualized basis. Okay. Thanks very much. The next question comes from the line of Kian Abouhossein from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead. Yes, thanks for taking my questions.
Todd Tuckner: On the banking target, I think it's fair to say that we remain confident in our ability to continue to scale up. You know, what you and I have discussed many times, in terms of doubling the 2022 revenues in 2026, Sergio made the comment in his prepared remarks. It's fair to say that the front half of 2025, for banking in particular, where we're indexed in some of the markets and with ECM only picking up later in 2025, you know, effectively delayed us a bit. And as a result, Sergio and I are talking about, you know, getting there in 2026 on an annualized basis.
Speaker #2: I think it's fair to that we remain confident in our ability to continue to scale up , you know what you and I have discussed many times in terms of doubling the 2022 revenues and 26 .
Speaker #2: Sergio made the comment in his prepared remarks . It's fair to say that the front half of 2025 . For for banking in particular , where we're indexed in some of the markets and with ECM only picking up later in 2025 , you know , effectively delayed us a bit .
Speaker #2: And as a result, Sergio and I are talking about, you know, getting basis annualized in there, 2026, on an—
Chris Hallam: Okay. Thanks very much.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Kian Abouhossein from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Okay. Thanks very much.
Kian Abouhossein: Yes, thanks for taking my questions.
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Kiana from JP Morgan . Please go ahead .
Todd Tuckner: I mean, the first one is just coming back to US wealth management and, maybe just bottom up a little bit around the restructuring on the advisor side. When should we expect advisor attrition to end, and how should we think about net flows, as we progress through 2026? In that context, clearly, your pretax margin gives some indication of what will drive that. You know, I recall Peter Wuffli talking about ultra-high net worth and, and, and I'm just trying to understand what is the difficulty in the US to enter that market because it seems to be extremely difficult to gain market share, especially multifamily in family office, sorry. And lastly, Sergio, you discussed a little bit tokenized assets, and you guys are quite advanced in this field, based on what we research.
Kian Abouhossein: I mean, the first one is just coming back to US wealth management and, maybe just bottom up a little bit around the restructuring on the advisor side. When should we expect advisor attrition to end, and how should we think about net flows, as we progress through 2026? In that context, clearly, your pretax margin gives some indication of what will drive that. You know, I recall Peter Wuffli talking about ultra-high net worth and, and, and I'm just trying to understand what is the difficulty in the US to enter that market because it seems to be extremely difficult to gain market share, especially multifamily in family office, sorry. And lastly, Sergio, you discussed a little bit tokenized assets, and you guys are quite advanced in this field, based on what we research.
Speaker #5: Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. I mean, the first one is just back coming to US wealth management, and maybe just bottom up a little bit around the restructuring of the advisor side.
Speaker #5: When should we expect advisor attrition to end ? And how should we think about net flows as we progress through 2026 . And in that context , clearly margin , pre-tax your you give some indication of what will drive that .
Speaker #5: You know , I recall Peter talking about ultra high net worth and family office in the growth US and and I'm just trying to understand what is the difficulty in the US to enter that market , because it seems to be extremely difficult to gain market share , especially multifamily and family office .
Speaker #5: Sorry. And lastly, Sergio, you discussed a little bit about tokenized assets, and you guys are quite advanced in this field based on what we researched.
Todd Tuckner: I'm just trying to understand what the long-term strategy is because on the one hand, you could argue wealth management, one advantage is you get access to all these products, being a wealth management client, and through tokenization, you kind of commoditize that. So I'm just trying to understand how you think about the impact of tokenization, in particular, of assets on your wealth business long term. Hey, Kian. Let me address the first question on US wealth. So first, I would say, you know, we're very pleased with our positioning, as we, you know, continue to work through the levers that we've discussed. We're particularly happy with our positioning at the high end of the market. I think that's where we have a stronghold.
Kian Abouhossein: I'm just trying to understand what the long-term strategy is because on the one hand, you could argue wealth management, one advantage is you get access to all these products, being a wealth management client, and through tokenization, you kind of commoditize that. So I'm just trying to understand how you think about the impact of tokenization, in particular, of assets on your wealth business long term.
Speaker #5: And I'm just trying to understand what the long term strategy is because on the hand , you could argue wealth management , what advantages you get access to all these products , being a wealth management client and to tokenization , you kind of commoditize that .
Speaker #5: So I'm just trying to understand how you think about the impact of tokenization in particular of assets on your on your wealth long business , term .
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Kian. Let me address the first question on US wealth. So first, I would say, you know, we're very pleased with our positioning, as we, you know, continue to work through the levers that we've discussed. We're particularly happy with our positioning at the high end of the market. I think that's where we have a stronghold.
Speaker #2: Hey , Ken , let me let me address the first question on US wealth . So first , I would say , you know , we're we're very pleased with our positioning as we , you know , continue to work through the levers that we've discussed .
Speaker #2: We're particularly happy with our positioning at the high end of the market. I think that's where we have a stronghold.
Todd Tuckner: What we're trying to do is leverage that and also, you know, work on greater penetration in all aspects of high net worth. But we're happy with our position, especially at the top end. We're certainly not satisfied with the net movement we've seen around our advisors. But as Sergio said, it's a transition-related issue, and it's part of the changes that we introduced a year ago that we considered necessary to improve pre-tax margin and ensure sustainable, profitable growth. Now, in terms of, you know, how we see this playing out, asset inflows or outflows from advisor hires or exits, as I've said in the past, do occur several months after announcement. So we can model the impacts on NNA based on announced net recruiting data.
Todd Tuckner: What we're trying to do is leverage that and also, you know, work on greater penetration in all aspects of high net worth. But we're happy with our position, especially at the top end. We're certainly not satisfied with the net movement we've seen around our advisors. But as Sergio said, it's a transition-related issue, and it's part of the changes that we introduced a year ago that we considered necessary to improve pre-tax margin and ensure sustainable, profitable growth. Now, in terms of, you know, how we see this playing out, asset inflows or outflows from advisor hires or exits, as I've said in the past, do occur several months after announcement. So we can model the impacts on NNA based on announced net recruiting data.
Speaker #2: And what we're trying to do is leverage that . And also , you know , work on greater penetration in in all aspects of high net worth .
Speaker #2: But we're happy with our position , especially at the top end . We're certainly not satisfied with the net movement . We've seen around our advisors .
Speaker #2: But as Sergio said , it's a transition related issue and it's part of the changes that we introduced a year ago that we considered necessary to improve pre-tax margin and and inform sustainable , profitable growth .
Speaker #2: Now , on , in terms of , you know , how we see this playing out asset inflows or outflows from advisor hires or exits , as I've said in the past , occur do several months after announcements so we can model the impacts on ndna based on announced net recruiting data .
Todd Tuckner: And on that basis, we do expect further NNA headwinds through the first half of 2026, after which we expect net recruiting outflow impacts to materially taper. And as Sergio said, for the US business to be a positive contributor to GWM net flows in, in 2026 overall. And what, what gives us confidence around this is our building recruiting pipeline, as well as the feedback we're getting across the field, where advisors are telling us that the changes that we've introduced reinforce the strength of our platform and are and make UBS the best place for FAs to serve their clients and grow their businesses.
Todd Tuckner: And on that basis, we do expect further NNA headwinds through the first half of 2026, after which we expect net recruiting outflow impacts to materially taper. And as Sergio said, for the US business to be a positive contributor to GWM net flows in, in 2026 overall. And what, what gives us confidence around this is our building recruiting pipeline, as well as the feedback we're getting across the field, where advisors are telling us that the changes that we've introduced reinforce the strength of our platform and are and make UBS the best place for FAs to serve their clients and grow their businesses.
Speaker #2: And on that basis, we do expect further headwinds through the first half of 2026, after which we expect net recruiting outflow impacts to materially taper.
Speaker #2: Sergio said , for the And as US business to be a positive contributor to flows in in 2026 , overall , and what what gives us confidence around this is our building , recruiting pipeline as well as the we're feedback getting across the field where advisors are telling us that the changes that we've introduced reinforce the strength of our platform and and make us the best place for PHAs to serve their clients and grow their businesses .
Todd Tuckner: So, Kian, on tokenized assets, I think it is, you know, fair to say that, yes, we are really pursuing a strategy of being a fast follower in that area, so in respect of really looking for solutions for wealth, you know, personal clients, wealthy clients, or corporates. But, you know, when you look down at how we're gonna do it, first of all, I think like AI, you know, this, of course, may have some cannibalization effect on the services you do. But, I would not underestimate the impact on the cost to serve on this technology. So, while we see maybe pressure on the top line, the advantages coming from the rationalization of the processes, the back office, the operations will be substantial. So I'm not so concerned about that kind of threat.
Sergio Ermotti: So, Kian, on tokenized assets, I think it is, you know, fair to say that, yes, we are really pursuing a strategy of being a fast follower in that area, so in respect of really looking for solutions for wealth, you know, personal clients, wealthy clients, or corporates. But, you know, when you look down at how we're gonna do it, first of all, I think like AI, you know, this, of course, may have some cannibalization effect on the services you do. But, I would not underestimate the impact on the cost to serve on this technology. So, while we see maybe pressure on the top line, the advantages coming from the rationalization of the processes, the back office, the operations will be substantial. So I'm not so concerned about that kind of threat.
Speaker #6: So .
Speaker #1: on Keen tokenized assets , I think , is , you know , is fair to say that yes , we are really pursuing a strategy of being a fast follower in that area .
Speaker #1: So in respect of looking for really solutions for , well , you know , personal clients or wealthy clients or corporates , but , you know , when look , when you you look down at how do it , first of all , I think like I , you know , this , of course , may have some cannibalization effect on , on the services you do , but I would not underestimate the impact on the cost to serve on this So technology .
Speaker #1: While we see maybe pressure on the top line, the advantages coming from the rationalization of the processes, the back office, and the operations will be substantial.
Todd Tuckner: By the way, also recognizing that as a highly regulated bank, we cannot be a front runner in terms of implementing and deploying this kind of technology, but we need to take a very prudent approach. So I see tokenization as a journey, like for AI, that will play out over the next 3 to 5 years and which will be complementary to our more traditional existing businesses. And by the way, where knowledge is gonna be important, technology is important, and last but not least, when we talk about wealth management and wealthy clients and wealth planning in general, the emotional part of the equation, having the client proximity, the human touch, will continue to be a critical factor to differentiate yourselves. The next question comes from the line of Antonio Reale from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Sergio Ermotti: By the way, also recognizing that as a highly regulated bank, we cannot be a front runner in terms of implementing and deploying this kind of technology, but we need to take a very prudent approach. So I see tokenization as a journey, like for AI, that will play out over the next 3 to 5 years and which will be complementary to our more traditional existing businesses. And by the way, where knowledge is gonna be important, technology is important, and last but not least, when we talk about wealth management and wealthy clients and wealth planning in general, the emotional part of the equation, having the client proximity, the human touch, will continue to be a critical factor to differentiate yourselves.
Speaker #1: So, I'm not so concerned about that kind of threat, by the way. Also, recognizing that as a highly regulated bank, we cannot be a front-runner in terms of implementing and deploying this kind of technology.
Speaker #1: But we need to take a very prudent approach. So I see tokenization as a journey, like for AI, that will play out over the next three to five years.
Speaker #1: And which we will be a complementary to our more traditional existing businesses . And by the way , we're knowledge is going to be important .
Speaker #1: Technology is important . And last but not least , when we talk about wealth management and wealthy clients and and wealth planning in general , the the emotional part of the equation , having the client proximity , the human touch will continue to be a critical factor to differentiate yourselves .
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Antonio Reale from Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Speaker #5: If .
Todd Tuckner: Hi, morning. It's Antonio from Bank of America. I have two questions, please. The first one, on net new assets. I mean, can you help us better understand the path to your ambition of reaching more than CHF 200 billion net new assets by 2028, and maybe give us some more color around sort of the key regions? It would be great if you could talk specifically about the trends and reminders of the initiatives you are taking to capture some of the tailwinds. I'm thinking in Asia Pacific on both wealth creation and capital market activity. I mean, we've seen the pipeline of IPO in China and Hong Kong looking very, very strong. So that would be my first question. My second one is on costs.
Antonio Reale: Hi, morning. It's Antonio from Bank of America. I have two questions, please. The first one, on net new assets. I mean, can you help us better understand the path to your ambition of reaching more than CHF 200 billion net new assets by 2028, and maybe give us some more color around sort of the key regions? It would be great if you could talk specifically about the trends and reminders of the initiatives you are taking to capture some of the tailwinds. I'm thinking in Asia Pacific on both wealth creation and capital market activity. I mean, we've seen the pipeline of IPO in China and Hong Kong looking very, very strong. So that would be my first question. My second one is on costs.
Speaker #3: The of question comes Antonio Real from the line from Bank of America , please go ahead .
Speaker #4: Hi .
Speaker #5: Morning . It's Antonio from Bank of America . I have two questions , please . The first one on net new assets . I mean , can you help us better understand the path to your ambition of reaching more than 200 billion net new assets by 2028 ?
Speaker #5: And maybe give us some more color around sort of the key regions. It would be great if you could talk specifically about the trends that remind us of the initiatives you're taking to capture some of the tailwinds.
Speaker #5: I'm thinking in Asia Pacific on both wealth creation and capital market activity . I mean , we've seen the pipeline of IPO in China and Hong Kong looking very , very strong .
Todd Tuckner: You've talked about the delivery of costs and agreement, and the efforts are clearly visible with almost the entire organization working on that delivery. Can you talk us through a little bit more on, sort of your expectations for net cost savings, from year on? I mean, I've heard your remarks and seen your targets, but if you keep give us a sense of, how much of these savings are, you know, reinvested in the business, IT, AI capabilities, or FA retention, and how much can be the sort of net cost savings coming through? Thank you. Hey, Antonio. So let's step back on the first question and maybe provide some context to help unpack it.
Antonio Reale: You've talked about the delivery of costs and agreement, and the efforts are clearly visible with almost the entire organization working on that delivery. Can you talk us through a little bit more on, sort of your expectations for net cost savings, from year on? I mean, I've heard your remarks and seen your targets, but if you keep give us a sense of, how much of these savings are, you know, reinvested in the business, IT, AI capabilities, or FA retention, and how much can be the sort of net cost savings coming through? Thank you.
Speaker #5: So that would be my first question. My second one is on costs. You've talked about the delivery of cost synergies, and the efforts are clearly visible, with almost the entire organization working on that delivery.
Speaker #5: Can us through you talk a little bit more on sort your expectations for net cost savings from here on ? I mean , I've heard your remarks targets , seen your but if you and sense of how much of these savings are reinvested in the business , it AI capabilities or attention , and how much can be the net cost savings coming through .
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Antonio. So let's step back on the first question and maybe provide some context to help unpack it.
Speaker #5: Thank you .
Speaker #2: Antonio . So let's let's make the let's step back on the first question and maybe provide some context to to help unpack it .
Todd Tuckner: So on the path to CHF 200 billion, it's important to remember that we guided to CHF 100 billion in 2024 and 2025 because we flagged that there are, you know, a number of headwinds that we have to work through, around this unprecedented integration. And that's going to create some offset to NNA or some of the strategic actions we're taking to drive pretax margins and return on equity was gonna come at the expense of flows. And indeed, you know, that's played out over the course of 2024 and 2025. So what gives us confidence in terms of the build is the fact that we've worked through many of these headwinds we just talked about in response to Kian's question on flows in the US. They'll remain a headwind into 2026.
Todd Tuckner: So on the path to CHF 200 billion, it's important to remember that we guided to CHF 100 billion in 2024 and 2025 because we flagged that there are, you know, a number of headwinds that we have to work through, around this unprecedented integration. And that's going to create some offset to NNA or some of the strategic actions we're taking to drive pretax margins and return on equity was gonna come at the expense of flows. And indeed, you know, that's played out over the course of 2024 and 2025. So what gives us confidence in terms of the build is the fact that we've worked through many of these headwinds we just talked about in response to Kian's question on flows in the US. They'll remain a headwind into 2026.
Speaker #2: So on the path to $200 billion, it's important to remember that we guided to $100 billion in 2024 and 2025 because we flagged that there are, you know, a number of headwinds that we have to work through around this unprecedented integration.
Speaker #2: And that's going to create some offset to N and a or some of the strategic actions we're taking to drive pre-tax margins and return on equity was going to come at the expense of flows .
Speaker #2: And indeed , you know , over the that's course played out of 24 25 . and So what gives us confidence in terms of the build is the fact that we've worked through many of these headwinds .
Speaker #2: We talked about in just response to Keynes question on flows in the US still remain a headwind into 2026 , but outside the US , a lot of the things that I spend time over the last several quarters discussing in terms of headwinds that we have to navigate through , we have done so .
Todd Tuckner: But outside the US, a lot of the things that I spent time over the last several quarters discussing in terms of headwinds that we have to navigate through, we have done. So that gives us effective confidence to believe that just working through those headwinds themselves, you know, is a boon to NNA growth. In terms of specific things that we want to do, you know, we want to continue to capture a wallet across the board with our best-in-breed, you know, CIO solution shelf, and leverage our unrivaled global connectivity at a time when wealth is increasingly mobile, as Sergio described in his comments earlier. We continue to see signs of the IPO recovery, which is supportive of net new assets. We're also regaining the front foot on strategic recruiting, and we could see that coming through.
Todd Tuckner: But outside the US, a lot of the things that I spent time over the last several quarters discussing in terms of headwinds that we have to navigate through, we have done. So that gives us effective confidence to believe that just working through those headwinds themselves, you know, is a boon to NNA growth. In terms of specific things that we want to do, you know, we want to continue to capture a wallet across the board with our best-in-breed, you know, CIO solution shelf, and leverage our unrivaled global connectivity at a time when wealth is increasingly mobile, as Sergio described in his comments earlier. We continue to see signs of the IPO recovery, which is supportive of net new assets. We're also regaining the front foot on strategic recruiting, and we could see that coming through.
Speaker #2: That gives us effectively confidence to believe that just working through those headwinds themselves , you know , is a boon to growth in terms of specific that we things want to do .
Speaker #2: know , we You want to continue to capture wallet across the board with our best in breed . , Sio solution , You know shelf and leverage our unrivaled global connectivity at a time when wealth is increasingly mobile as , Sergio described as in his in his comments earlier , we continue to see signs of of the IPO recovery , which is is supportive of net new assets .
Todd Tuckner: That's part of, for sure, what we're doing in Asia Pacific and driving growth there. And in addition, you know, we are, look, we're very focused on net new client acquisition, in the context of wealth transfer as well. So these are things that we're doing outside the US. Also, of course, building out our more digitized offering into high net worth will help. So I think it gives you a sense of where we expect to grow. It's gonna be across our franchise. You know, naturally, as we said, the US is expected to be a net positive contributor in 2026. But we know, in 2027 and 2028, the US has to contribute more in order to grow to the two to greater than $200 billion. And so that's part of the plan as well.
Todd Tuckner: That's part of, for sure, what we're doing in Asia Pacific and driving growth there. And in addition, you know, we are, look, we're very focused on net new client acquisition, in the context of wealth transfer as well. So these are things that we're doing outside the US. Also, of course, building out our more digitized offering into high net worth will help. So I think it gives you a sense of where we expect to grow. It's gonna be across our franchise. You know, naturally, as we said, the US is expected to be a net positive contributor in 2026. But we know, in 2027 and 2028, the US has to contribute more in order to grow to the two to greater than $200 billion. And so that's part of the plan as well.
Speaker #2: We're also regaining the front foot on strategic recruiting, and we could see that coming through. And that's part of, for sure, what we're doing in APAC and driving growth there.
Speaker #2: And in know , we are we're very focused on on net client acquisition in the context of wealth transfer as well . So these are things that we're doing outside the US also .
Speaker #2: Of course building out our more digitized offering into high net worth will help . So I think it gives you a sense of of where we expect to grow .
Speaker #2: It's going to be across our franchise , you know , naturally , as we said , the US will is expected to be a net positive contributor in 26 .
Speaker #2: But we know in 27 and 28 the US has to contribute more in order to grow to the two , to greater than 200 billion .
Todd Tuckner: On costs, I think it's fair to say that, you know, you asked to get a little bit more insight on the saves. So first, you know, in terms of the path to the CHF 13.5 billion, we have CHF 2.8 billion of gross cost saves to deliver through 2026. As I mentioned in my comments, it's about 40% on the tech side, about 40% personnel-related, and 20% third-party spend and real estate. Once the gross cost saves are achieved, you know, we expect that gross-to-net ratio to fall in line with where we have been guiding, you know, in prior quarters.
Todd Tuckner: On costs, I think it's fair to say that, you know, you asked to get a little bit more insight on the saves. So first, you know, in terms of the path to the CHF 13.5 billion, we have CHF 2.8 billion of gross cost saves to deliver through 2026. As I mentioned in my comments, it's about 40% on the tech side, about 40% personnel-related, and 20% third-party spend and real estate. Once the gross cost saves are achieved, you know, we expect that gross-to-net ratio to fall in line with where we have been guiding, you know, in prior quarters.
Speaker #2: And so that's part of the plan as well . On on costs , I think it's fair to say that , you know , you asked just to get a little bit more insight on on the save .
Speaker #2: So first, you know, in terms of the path to the $13.5 billion, we have $2.8 billion of gross cost savings to deliver through 2026.
Speaker #2: As I mentioned in my my comments , it's about 40% on the tech side , about 40% personnel related and 20% third party spend .
Speaker #2: And and real estate . Once the gross cost savings are achieved , you know , we expect that gross to net ratio to to fall in line with where we have been you know , in guiding , quarters , prior if , if I look at my gross to net in terms of what I plan for the end of 2026 , on the 13.5 billion , I intend to deliver net saves of around 75% of that amount , excluding variable and Fe comp any anything that any headwind from that in effectively is is excluded .
Todd Tuckner: If I look at my gross-to-net, in terms of what I plan for the end of 2026 on the CHF 13.5 billion, I intend to deliver net saves of around 75% of that amount excluding variable and FA comp. Any headwind from that is effectively excluded. But it's a 75% gross-to-net cost capture in how we think about getting to our end-of-2026 targets. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Giulia Miotto from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, Todd, I want to check if I understood you correctly. I think you said that half of the CHF 9 billion accrued between Parent and Group could be distributed in the second half of the year subject to the 2-week-to-fade proposal.
Todd Tuckner: If I look at my gross-to-net, in terms of what I plan for the end of 2026 on the CHF 13.5 billion, I intend to deliver net saves of around 75% of that amount excluding variable and FA comp. Any headwind from that is effectively excluded. But it's a 75% gross-to-net cost capture in how we think about getting to our end-of-2026 targets.
Speaker #2: But it's a 75% gross-to-net cost capture in how we think about getting to our end of 2026 targets.
Antonio Reale: Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Giulia Miotto from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
Speaker #7: Thank you .
Giulia Miotto: Hi. Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. The first one, Todd, I want to check if I understood you correctly. I think you said that half of the CHF 9 billion accrued between Parent and Group could be distributed in the second half of the year subject to the 2-week-to-fade proposal.
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Julia Miotto from Morgan Stanley . Please go ahead .
Speaker #8: Hi . Good morning . Thank you for taking my questions . The first one , Todd , I want to check if I understood you correctly .
Speaker #8: I think you said that half of the 9 billion accrued between parent and group could be distributed in the second half of the year , subject to the too big to fail proposal .
Todd Tuckner: I just want to understand, you know, what outcome could drive, essentially, a CHF 4 billion additional buyback in the year, if I understood this correctly. Then secondly, on the Parent Bank, I think you said you intend now to run around 14% CET1 there because of FX headwinds. Do you disclose anywhere any sensitivity, in terms of what we can expect the FX impact to be on this ratio going forward in case the CHF appreciates further? And I know you disclosed the sensitivities, you know, at group level, the 14 basis points impact for 10% depreciation of the dollar. But I was just interested in looking at the Parent more closely. Thank you. Yeah.
Giulia Miotto: I just want to understand, you know, what outcome could drive, essentially, a CHF 4 billion additional buyback in the year, if I understood this correctly. Then secondly, on the Parent Bank, I think you said you intend now to run around 14% CET1 there because of FX headwinds. Do you disclose anywhere any sensitivity, in terms of what we can expect the FX impact to be on this ratio going forward in case the CHF appreciates further? And I know you disclosed the sensitivities, you know, at group level, the 14 basis points impact for 10% depreciation of the dollar. But I was just interested in looking at the Parent more closely. Thank you.
Speaker #8: I just want to understand, you know what? What the outcome could drive, essentially, an additional buyback forbidden in the year. If I understood this correctly.
Speaker #8: And then secondly , on the parent bank , I think you said you intend now to run around 14% Cet1 . There because of FX headwinds and do you disclose anywhere , any sensitivity in terms of what we can expect , the impact to be on this ratio going forward , in case the CHF appreciates further ?
Speaker #8: And I know you disclosed the sensitivities at group level , the 14 basis points , in for 10% , depreciation of the dollar .
Speaker #8: But I was just interested in looking at the parent more closely. Thank you.
Todd Tuckner: Yeah.
Todd Tuckner: So on the CHF 9 billion accrual at the Parent Bank with respect to its dividend to pay up to Group, we said that, like last year, we were gonna split it in two. So we're imminently paying up half of that, or CHF 4.5 billion, to the holding company. The other CHF 4.5 billion, we're just taking a prudent wait and see, to see what happens in the you know in terms of the Swiss regulatory capital framework developments like we had last year, just retaining that optionality, to either retain or to pay up. And so that's the way we've done the split again in respect of the 2025 dividend accrual of the Parent Bank up to the holding company. In terms of the you mentioned the CET1. You're looking for the sensi, the FX sensi.
Todd Tuckner: So on the CHF 9 billion accrual at the Parent Bank with respect to its dividend to pay up to Group, we said that, like last year, we were gonna split it in two. So we're imminently paying up half of that, or CHF 4.5 billion, to the holding company. The other CHF 4.5 billion, we're just taking a prudent wait and see, to see what happens in the you know in terms of the Swiss regulatory capital framework developments like we had last year, just retaining that optionality, to either retain or to pay up. And so that's the way we've done the split again in respect of the 2025 dividend accrual of the Parent Bank up to the holding company. In terms of the you mentioned the CET1. You're looking for the sensi, the FX sensi.
Speaker #2: Yeah. So, on the $9 billion accrual at the parent bank with respect to its dividend to pay up to Group, we said that, like last year, we were going to split it in two.
Speaker #2: So we're imminently paying up half of that or 4.5 billion to to the holding company . The other 4.5 billion . We were just taking a prudent wait and see to see what happens in the , you know , in terms of the Swiss regulatory capital framework , developments like we had last year , just retaining that optionality to either retain or to pay up .
Speaker #2: And so that's the way we've done the split. Again, in respect of the 2025 dividend accrual of the parent bank, up to the holding company in terms of the...
Speaker #2: The you mentioned the Cet1 , you're looking for the Sensi , the Sensi . So so first I would I would just tell you that in general , maybe to step back a bit that , you know , the dollar softness that we've seen in the , in the also in the first part of this year , given the currency mix of our businesses and balance sheet , is moderately supportive of pre-tax profit accretion .
Todd Tuckner: So, first, I would just tell you that, in general, maybe to step back a bit, that, you know, the US dollar softness that we've seen in the first part of this year, given the currency mix of our businesses and balance sheet, is moderately supportive of pretax profit accretion. So that's across the Group while offering a moderate headwind on our capital ratios. So just the sensitivity, as you know, across Group, is a further 10% drop in the US dollar versus other currencies would drive a 3% PBT accretion while placing low double-digit basis point headwind on our capital and leverage ratios. At the AG consolidated level, the sensitivity is, by and large, very similar to the Group.
Todd Tuckner: So, first, I would just tell you that, in general, maybe to step back a bit, that, you know, the US dollar softness that we've seen in the first part of this year, given the currency mix of our businesses and balance sheet, is moderately supportive of pretax profit accretion. So that's across the Group while offering a moderate headwind on our capital ratios. So just the sensitivity, as you know, across Group, is a further 10% drop in the US dollar versus other currencies would drive a 3% PBT accretion while placing low double-digit basis point headwind on our capital and leverage ratios. At the AG consolidated level, the sensitivity is, by and large, very similar to the Group.
Speaker #2: So that's across the group . While offering a moderate headwind on our capital ratios . So just to know , across group Sensi , as you is a further 10% drop in the dollar versus other currencies would drive a 3% PBT accretion .
Speaker #2: While placing low double digit basis point headwind on our capital . And and leverage ratios at the at the AG consolidated level . The sensitivity is , by and large , very similar to the to the group .
Speaker #2: So while we don't disclose take it , you could you can take away that the FX sensi at the AG consolidated level behaves in a very similar way .
Todd Tuckner: So while we don't disclose it, you could take, you could take away that the FX Senses at the AG consolidated level behaves, in a very similar way. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Jeremy Sigee from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead. Morning. Thank you. Just one question on the capital. You mentioned the ordinance measures you expect publication later in the first half, which I think is what, you know, had been planned. Do you have any clarification on when, you know, the go-live date for that aspect and particularly the phase-in, which I know we've talked about before? I just wondered if there's any clarification on your expectations for that on the ordinance measures, specifically, what the phase-in would be.
Todd Tuckner: So while we don't disclose it, you could take, you could take away that the FX Senses at the AG consolidated level behaves, in a very similar way.
Speaker #8: Thank you .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Jeremy Sigi from BNP. Please go ahead.
Giulia Miotto: Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Jeremy Sigee from BNP Paribas. Please go ahead.
Speaker #4: Morning .
Speaker #9: Thank you . Just one question on the capital , you mentioned the ordinance measures you expect publication later in the first half , which I think is what had been planned .
Jeremy Sigee: Morning. Thank you. Just one question on the capital. You mentioned the ordinance measures you expect publication later in the first half, which I think is what, you know, had been planned. Do you have any clarification on when, you know, the go-live date for that aspect and particularly the phase-in, which I know we've talked about before? I just wondered if there's any clarification on your expectations for that on the ordinance measures, specifically, what the phase-in would be.
Speaker #9: Do you have any clarification on when the go live date for that aspect ? And particularly the phase in which I know we've before , I talked about just wondered if there's any clarification on your expectations for that on the ordinance measures , specifically what the phasing would be .
Speaker #9: Then my other—and question really was on—just to see if you could talk a bit more about Asia wealth management, which were A flows, bit soft in the quarter.
Todd Tuckner: And then my other question really was on if just to see if you could talk a bit more about Asia wealth management flows, which were a bit soft in the quarter. I just wondered if there was any give back from the strong flows you had last quarter and sort of how you see the outlook for wealth management flows in Asia going forward. Hey, Jeremy. So let me take your two questions. So the first, when the ordinance is published, the Federal Council will have to confirm then what the effective date is and the phase-in. So I think it's reasonable, as we've said before, to expect a phase-in. And it's reasonable to expect a prospective application date or effective date just given, you know, historical practice.
Jeremy Sigee: And then my other question really was on if just to see if you could talk a bit more about Asia wealth management flows, which were a bit soft in the quarter. I just wondered if there was any give back from the strong flows you had last quarter and sort of how you see the outlook for wealth management flows in Asia going forward.
Speaker #9: I just wondered if there was any giveback from the strong flows you had in the last quarter, and sort of the outlook for flows in Asia going forward.
Speaker #2: Hey , Jeremy . So let me take your two questions . So the first , the when the ordinance is published , the Federal Council will have to confirm .
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Jeremy. So let me take your two questions. So the first, when the ordinance is published, the Federal Council will have to confirm then what the effective date is and the phase-in. So I think it's reasonable, as we've said before, to expect a phase-in. And it's reasonable to expect a prospective application date or effective date just given, you know, historical practice.
Speaker #2: Then what the effective date is . And and the phase in . So I think it's reasonable . said before , to expect a phase in .
Speaker #2: it's And reasonable to expect a prospective application date or effective date is given , you know , historical practice . But that will have to be confirmed by the Swiss Federal Council when they publish the ordinance later in the in the first half , in terms of Asia flows , you know , look , we're we're comfortable , we're very happy and very comfortable with the position Asia is in from a flow standpoint , in their course particular , of around .
Todd Tuckner: But that will have to be confirmed by the Swiss Federal Council when they publish the ordinance later in the first half. In terms of Asia flows, you know, look, we're very happy and very comfortable with the position Asia is in from a flow standpoint, in particular, of course, moreover around their ability to generate profitable growth. As I mentioned in my comments, I believe the power of the integrated franchise, which this is their first full year since the client account migration at the end of 2024, is clearly contributing to growth and profitability overall.
Todd Tuckner: But that will have to be confirmed by the Swiss Federal Council when they publish the ordinance later in the first half. In terms of Asia flows, you know, look, we're very happy and very comfortable with the position Asia is in from a flow standpoint, in particular, of course, moreover around their ability to generate profitable growth. As I mentioned in my comments, I believe the power of the integrated franchise, which this is their first full year since the client account migration at the end of 2024, is clearly contributing to growth and profitability overall.
Speaker #2: Moreover , ability to generate profitable growth , as I mentioned in my comments , I believe the power of the integrated franchise , which this is their first full year since the client account migration at the end of 2024 , is clearly contributing to growth and profitability overall .
Speaker #2: And as I mentioned , in response to an earlier question from Antonio , our focus is on growing assets across the region by doing things like deepening share of wallet , accelerating strategic partnerships .
Todd Tuckner: As I mentioned in response to an earlier question from Antonio, our focus is on growing assets across the region by doing things like deepening share of wallet, accelerating strategic partnerships, as Sergio mentioned, strengthening high-net-worth feeder channels, particularly through digital, and ramping up the impact hiring of client advisors. I believe the evidence of this is in the 2025 results for the region. The region, you know, as I mentioned, the region's first year post the platform consolidation. If you look at net new asset and net new fee-generating asset growth, both at 8%, for the year in Asia with strong mandate penetration gains. And of course, while they continue to drive their bellwether, which is transactional revenues, in an environment where clearly our advice and structuring expertise are differentiated capabilities. Thank you.
Todd Tuckner: As I mentioned in response to an earlier question from Antonio, our focus is on growing assets across the region by doing things like deepening share of wallet, accelerating strategic partnerships, as Sergio mentioned, strengthening high-net-worth feeder channels, particularly through digital, and ramping up the impact hiring of client advisors. I believe the evidence of this is in the 2025 results for the region. The region, you know, as I mentioned, the region's first year post the platform consolidation. If you look at net new asset and net new fee-generating asset growth, both at 8%, for the year in Asia with strong mandate penetration gains. And of course, while they continue to drive their bellwether, which is transactional revenues, in an environment where clearly our advice and structuring expertise are differentiated capabilities.
Speaker #2: As Sergio mentioned , strengthening high net worth feeder channels , particularly through digital and and ramping up the impact hiring of of client advisors .
Speaker #2: And and I believe the evidence of this is in the 2025 results for the for the region . The region , you know , as I mentioned , the first year regions post the platform consolidation , if you look at net new asset and net new fee generating growth asset , both at 8% for the year in Asia , with strong mandate penetration gains .
Speaker #2: And of course , while they continue to drive their bellwether , which is transactional revenues in an environment where clearly our advice and structuring expertise are differentiated , capabilities .
Speaker #9: Thank you .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Joseph Dickerson from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Jeremy Sigee: Thank you.
Speaker #10: Yes . Hello . I just have a couple of quick questions . Is the right way to think about the 26 billion reduction to fully applied Rwas related to the upstreaming of capital to UBS AG is to put call it a 12.5% Cet1 .
Todd Tuckner: The next question comes from the line of Joseph Dickerson from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Yes. Hello. I just have a couple of quick questions. Is the right way to think about the CHF 26 billion reduction of fully applied RWAs related to the upstreaming of capital to UBS HG to put, call it, a 12.5% CET1? So it brings down the capital associated with those by about CHF 3.25 billion. Is that, is that the right way to think about it, just to be precise? And could you discuss, in the US, in terms of the FAs? You're clearly investing in wealth advice centers. So if we think about the net change in FAs, I guess what's the, is there a way to think about the marginal pretax associated, you know, once the accounts are funded and transacting, etc.?
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Joseph Dickerson from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Joseph Dickerson: Yes. Hello. I just have a couple of quick questions. Is the right way to think about the CHF 26 billion reduction of fully applied RWAs related to the upstreaming of capital to UBS HG to put, call it, a 12.5% CET1? So it brings down the capital associated with those by about CHF 3.25 billion. Is that, is that the right way to think about it, just to be precise? And could you discuss, in the US, in terms of the FAs? You're clearly investing in wealth advice centers. So if we think about the net change in FAs, I guess what's the, is there a way to think about the marginal pretax associated, you know, once the accounts are funded and transacting, etc.?
Speaker #10: So it brings down the capital associated with those by about $3.25 billion. Is that the right way to think about it? Just to be precise.
Speaker #10: And could you discuss in the US in terms of the Fhfa's , you're clearly investing in wealth advice centers . So if we think about the net change in phase , I guess , what's the is there a way to think about the marginal pre-tax associated , you know , once the accounts are funded and transacting , etc.
Speaker #10: ? Is there a way to think about the marginal pre-tax margin on wealth advice centers versus , say , the back book , if you will , of existing business ?
Speaker #10: thanks Many .
Speaker #2: Hey , Joe . So the the 26 billion reduction in RWA is is a function of the portion of the upstream capital that gives rise to either offsets because of it's a repatriation .
Todd Tuckner: Is there a way to think about the marginal pretax margin on Wealth Advice Centers versus, say, the backbook, if you will, of existing business? Many thanks. Hey, Joe. So, the CHF 26 billion reduction in RWA is a function of the portion of the upstream capital that gives rise to either offsets because of it's a repatriation. So, it's an offset at the parent level investment in subsidiary accounting, or from impairments on dividends. So some portion of the CHF 9 billion were characterized locally for legal purposes as dividend, and may have been associated with offsetting impairments.
Joseph Dickerson: Is there a way to think about the marginal pretax margin on Wealth Advice Centers versus, say, the backbook, if you will, of existing business? Many thanks.
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Joe. So, the CHF 26 billion reduction in RWA is a function of the portion of the upstream capital that gives rise to either offsets because of it's a repatriation. So, it's an offset at the parent level investment in subsidiary accounting, or from impairments on dividends. So some portion of the CHF 9 billion were characterized locally for legal purposes as dividend, and may have been associated with offsetting impairments.
Speaker #2: So it's a it's an offset at the parent level investment in subsidiary accounting or from impairments on So some dividends . portion of the 9 billion were characterized locally for legal purposes as dividend and and may have been associated with offsetting impairments .
Speaker #2: So the 26 billion is the is the the is the impact the way you calculate it is actually the net reduction in the investment in subsidiary account , which is the as I said , the portion that's repatriated plus any dividends , any investment valuation change on dividends times 400% because foreign subs , the RWA impact is 400% .
Todd Tuckner: So the CHF 26 billion is the impact. The way you calculate it is actually the net reduction in the investment in subsidiary account, which is the portion, as I said, that's repatriated, plus any in dividends, any investment valuation change on dividends times 400%, because foreign subs, the RWA impact is 400%. So that's how you would get to the CHF 26 billion. So it's effectively CHF 6.5 billion times 4, which is another way to calculate it. In terms of you mentioned, the buildup in the Wealth Advice Center. I think it is fair to say that our strategy is sort of multifaceted in that respect. One, it's to provide leverage to the more senior advisors in the field. So it helps them to also grow their books of business.
Todd Tuckner: So the CHF 26 billion is the impact. The way you calculate it is actually the net reduction in the investment in subsidiary account, which is the portion, as I said, that's repatriated, plus any in dividends, any investment valuation change on dividends times 400%, because foreign subs, the RWA impact is 400%. So that's how you would get to the CHF 26 billion. So it's effectively CHF 6.5 billion times 4, which is another way to calculate it. In terms of you mentioned, the buildup in the Wealth Advice Center. I think it is fair to say that our strategy is sort of multifaceted in that respect. One, it's to provide leverage to the more senior advisors in the field. So it helps them to also grow their books of business.
Speaker #2: So that's how you would get to the $26 billion. So it's, in a way, $6.5 billion times four is another way, effectively, to calculate it in terms of—you mentioned—the build up in the Wealth Center.
Speaker #2: Advice I think it is fair our say that to strategy sort of is , is multifaceted in that One , it's respect . to provide leverage to the more senior advisors in the field .
Speaker #2: So it helps them to also grow their books , books of business . Secondly , the advisors that were hiring the Wealth Advice Center are also there to , you know , build up their own books of business .
Speaker #2: And I think it is fair to say that , you know , the the cost to carry in the wealth Advice Center because it's a different compensation model is lower than , you know , your traditional brokerage model that the senior phase would , would , would be subject to .
Todd Tuckner: Secondly, the advisors that we're hiring in the wealth advice center are also there to, you know, build up their own books of business. And I think it is fair to say that, you know, the cost to carry in the wealth advice center because it's a different compensation model is lower than, you know, your traditional brokerage model that the senior FAs would be subject to. So, sure, if we build up successfully the wealth advice center, which is a lever in our strategy as one of the feeder channels, you know, I think it's fair to say that the pretax margin from that business contribution is higher. Thanks. The next question comes from the line of Stefan Stalmann from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead. Good morning.
Todd Tuckner: Secondly, the advisors that we're hiring in the wealth advice center are also there to, you know, build up their own books of business. And I think it is fair to say that, you know, the cost to carry in the wealth advice center because it's a different compensation model is lower than, you know, your traditional brokerage model that the senior FAs would be subject to. So, sure, if we build up successfully the wealth advice center, which is a lever in our strategy as one of the feeder channels, you know, I think it's fair to say that the pretax margin from that business contribution is higher.
Speaker #2: So , sure , if we build up successfully the Wealth Advice Center , which is a lever in our strategy one of the feeder as channels , you know , I think it's fair to say that the pre-tax margin from that business contribution is higher .
Speaker #10: Thanks .
Speaker #3: The question comes next from the line of Stefan Stallmann from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Good morning. I would like to first ask a question about targets and ambitions. How do you want us to measure the exit targets for 2026?
Joseph Dickerson: Thanks.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Stefan Stalmann from Autonomous Research. Please go ahead.
Speaker #11: Is it a fourth quarter number or are there performer calculations involved ? How do you think about this ? And also , is there any particular reason why 2028 remains an ambition rather than a target ?
Stefan Stalmann: Good morning.
Todd Tuckner: I would like to first, and may I ask a question about your targets and ambitions? How do you want us to measure the exit targets for 2026? Is it a Q4 number, or are there performer calculations involved? How do you think about this? And also, is there any particular reason why 2028 remains an ambition rather than a target? And, the second question I wanted to ask is on your FRC business in the Investment Bank. Can you give us maybe a rough split of how much of that is FX versus how much was precious metals, please? Thank you. Hey, Stefan. So the 2026 exit rate calculation, well, you know, the expectation will be that we'll look at our certainly on the numerator, we would take the run rate normalized run rate of where we are at the end of the year and annualize that.
Stefan Stalmann: I would like to first, and may I ask a question about your targets and ambitions? How do you want us to measure the exit targets for 2026? Is it a Q4 number, or are there performer calculations involved? How do you think about this? And also, is there any particular reason why 2028 remains an ambition rather than a target? And, the second question I wanted to ask is on your FRC business in the Investment Bank. Can you give us maybe a rough split of how much of that is FX versus how much was precious metals, please? Thank you.
Speaker #11: And the second question I wanted to ask is on your bank investment business, and maybe, can you give us a rough split of how much of that is FX versus how much was precious metals?
Speaker #11: Please ? Thank you .
Speaker #2: Hey , Stefan . So the 26 exit rate calculation , well , you know , the expectation will be that we'll look at our certainly on the numerator .
Speaker #2: We would take the rate run, normalized run rate of where we are at the end of the year, and then annualize. I think that's reasonably straightforward in terms of how we would think about the numerator.
Todd Tuckner: Hey, Stefan. So the 2026 exit rate calculation, well, you know, the expectation will be that we'll look at our certainly on the numerator, we would take the run rate normalized run rate of where we are at the end of the year and annualize that.
Speaker #2: You know , the denominator would do the same . You know , naturally , of course , revenues are always a little bit more interesting in the fourth quarter .
Speaker #2: If you have seasonality . So I think , you know , we will look back rather than look forward . and And develop denominator .
Speaker #2: That seems reasonable . But you know , we believe that fundamentally , you know , this comes out in the wash as we go through 2027 , as I think you would agree in terms of , you know , when we convert this , this underlying exit rate , cost , income ratio , what is that ?
Todd Tuckner: I think that's reasonably straightforward in terms of how we would think about the numerator. You know, the denominator would do the same. You know, naturally, of course, revenues are always a little bit more interesting in the Q4 if you have seasonality. So I think, you know, we will look back rather than look forward and develop a denominator that seems reasonable. But, you know, we believe that, fundamentally, you know, this comes out in the wash as we go through 2027, as I think you would agree, in terms of, you know, when we convert this underlying exit rate cost-income ratio, what is that, you know? Is that manifesting through a cost-income ratio when we report in 2027 below 70%? And so that's really the key.
Todd Tuckner: I think that's reasonably straightforward in terms of how we would think about the numerator. You know, the denominator would do the same. You know, naturally, of course, revenues are always a little bit more interesting in the Q4 if you have seasonality. So I think, you know, we will look back rather than look forward and develop a denominator that seems reasonable. But, you know, we believe that, fundamentally, you know, this comes out in the wash as we go through 2027, as I think you would agree, in terms of, you know, when we convert this underlying exit rate cost-income ratio, what is that, you know? Is that manifesting through a cost-income ratio when we report in 2027 below 70%? And so that's really the key.
Speaker #2: You know , is that manifesting through a cost income ratio ? When we report in 2027 below 70 . that's And so really the key .
Speaker #2: But in terms of how we will sort of settle , settle the business at the end of the year , you know , that's my expectation at this point in in time , I think in terms of the ambition versus target , I , I think the , the , the group , the group , Ct1 reported Cet1 of 18% and the cost income ratio of 67% .
Todd Tuckner: But in terms of how we will sort of settle the business at the end of the year, you know, that's my expectation at this point in time. I think in terms of the ambition versus target, I think the group CET1 reported CET1 of 18% and the cost-income ratio of 67% are targets, are they not? Those are targets, so. But there's no, given my response, you could see that, I, at the end of the day, [that] targets and ambitions are almost the same. I would say that the targets are more short-term.
Todd Tuckner: But in terms of how we will sort of settle the business at the end of the year, you know, that's my expectation at this point in time. I think in terms of the ambition versus target, I think the group CET1 reported CET1 of 18% and the cost-income ratio of 67% are targets, are they not? Those are targets, so. But there's no, given my response, you could see that, I, at the end of the day, [that] targets and ambitions are almost the same. I would say that the targets are more short-term.
Speaker #2: Our targets are they not ? Those are targets . So but but there's no given my response . You could see that I .
Speaker #1: At the end of the day, target and ambitions are almost the same. I would say that the targets are more short term.
Speaker #1: You know , we you know what we can see the look through is for 2026 , we can we have a visibility to talk about targets versus 28 .
Speaker #1: And going forward is more of an ambition. But I wouldn't be too bothered about overanalyzing that kind of aspect. We want to get there.
Speaker #1: So I mean that's that's what it is .
Speaker #11: Thank you .
Speaker #2: And Stefan, in terms of the split in FRC on FX and precious metals, we'll come back and give you the, you know, the specific breakout.
Todd Tuckner: You know, we, you know, what we can see, the look-through is for 2026. We can, we have visibility to talk about targets versus 2028, and going forward is more of an ambition that I, I wouldn't be too bothered about overanalyzing that kind of aspect. We want to get there. So, I mean, that's, that's what it is. Thank you. And Stefan, in terms of the split in FRC on FX and precious metals, we'll, we'll come back and give you the, you know, the specific breakout. Thank you. I'm off. The next question comes from the line of Anke Reingen from RBC. Please go ahead. Yeah. Good morning. And thank you for taking my questions. The first is just to clarify on the 2026 share buyback. So you said, CHF 3 billion and, potentially more. And then you also talked about accrual for the 2027 share buyback.
Todd Tuckner: You know, we, you know, what we can see, the look-through is for 2026. We can, we have visibility to talk about targets versus 2028, and going forward is more of an ambition that I, I wouldn't be too bothered about overanalyzing that kind of aspect. We want to get there. So, I mean, that's, that's what it is.
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Anchor at RBC. Go ahead, please, from the region.
Speaker #12: Yeah . Good morning and thank you for taking my questions . The first is just to clarify on the 26 share buyback . So you said 3 billion and potentially more .
Stefan Stalmann: Thank you.
Sergio Ermotti: And Stefan, in terms of the split in FRC on FX and precious metals, we'll, we'll come back and give you the, you know, the specific breakout.
Speaker #12: And then you also talked about accrual for the 2027 share buyback. I just wanted to confirm it's not the same thing. So we could have an additional share buyback in '26 on top of the $3 billion, plus an accrual for 2027.
Stefan Stalmann: Thank you. I'm off.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Anke Reingen from RBC. Please go ahead.
Speaker #12: And then secondly , on the slide where you talk about the through the cycle revenues over RWA is the 10% , is that what informs your 18% return in 2028 as well ?
Anke Reingen: Yeah. Good morning. And thank you for taking my questions. The first is just to clarify on the 2026 share buyback. So you said, CHF 3 billion and, potentially more. And then you also talked about accrual for the 2027 share buyback.
Speaker #12: And then just put the price that it is. I mean, looking at the 9.6% in 2025, 10% doesn't seem that much of a step up.
Todd Tuckner: I just wanted to confirm it's not the same thing. So we could have an additional share buyback in 2026 on top of the CHF 3 billion plus an accrual for 2027. And then, secondly, on the slide where you talk about the through-the-cycle revenues over RWA, is the 10% what informs your 18% return in 2028 as well? And then just I'm a bit surprised that, it's I mean, looking at the 9.6% in 2025, 10% doesn't seem that much of a step up. So it should be more focused on the shaded area, so see, like, higher than 10%, or were you sort of, like, over-earning in 2025 in some areas? Thank you very much. Yeah, Anke.
Anke Reingen: I just wanted to confirm it's not the same thing. So we could have an additional share buyback in 2026 on top of the CHF 3 billion plus an accrual for 2027. And then, secondly, on the slide where you talk about the through-the-cycle revenues over RWA, is the 10% what informs your 18% return in 2028 as well? And then just I'm a bit surprised that, it's I mean, looking at the 9.6% in 2025, 10% doesn't seem that much of a step up. So it should be more focused on the shaded area, so see, like, higher than 10%, or were you sort of, like, over-earning in 2025 in some areas? Thank you very much.
Speaker #12: So, it should be more focused on the shaded area. So, like, higher than 10%, or were you sort of, like, over-earning in '25 in some areas?
Speaker #12: Thank you very much .
Speaker #2: Yeah , I so on the on the first question , the the idea is if we do come out with guidance on what we intend to do in terms of our aim to do more later in the year , we would at that point accrue for that .
Speaker #2: And to the extent that we , you know , as I said in my comments , accrue for the 2027 share buyback or a portion thereof , that would be on top in terms of our revenue of RWA , actually , you know , we're we're quite comfortable with that as a hurdle in terms of the RWA productivity of the that we put to , we put to work .
Todd Tuckner: Yeah, Anke.
Todd Tuckner: So on the first question, the idea is, if we do come out with clear guidance on what we intend to do in terms of our aim to do more later in the year, we would, at that point, accrue for that. And to the extent that, you know, as I said in my comments, accrue for the 2027 share buyback or a portion thereof, that would be on top. In terms of our revenue of RWA, actually, you know, we're quite comfortable with that as a hurdle, in terms of the productivity of the RWA that we put to work. You also have to consider there are a lot of headwinds that I described in my comments, that we also have to navigate around that.
Todd Tuckner: So on the first question, the idea is, if we do come out with clear guidance on what we intend to do in terms of our aim to do more later in the year, we would, at that point, accrue for that. And to the extent that, you know, as I said in my comments, accrue for the 2027 share buyback or a portion thereof, that would be on top. In terms of our revenue of RWA, actually, you know, we're quite comfortable with that as a hurdle, in terms of the productivity of the RWA that we put to work. You also have to consider there are a lot of headwinds that I described in my comments, that we also have to navigate around that.
Speaker #2: You also have to consider there are a lot of headwinds that I, in my described comments, that we also have to navigate around that.
Speaker #2: So I talked about a lot of the Basel three headwinds that we have . But but certainly , you know , driving higher revenues over RWA and creating RWA productivity for sure contributes to the 18% return on Cet1 .
Speaker #1: Yeah . And overly focusing on on , you know , above that level would basically come at a cost of growth . I mean , in terms of , you know , net new asset loans , ability to be competitive in pricing .
Speaker #1: So I think that having a revenue on risk assets at 10% is a quite competitive number. And if we overstretch that number, it's going to come at the cost of growth.
Speaker #1: And so I think that we have a material upside and marginal , you know benefits in in balancing out the efficiency with growth with .
Todd Tuckner: So I talked about a lot of the Basel III headwinds that we have. But certainly, you know, driving higher revenues over RWA and creating RWA productivity for sure contributes to the 18% return on CET1. Yeah. And overly focusing on, you know, above that level would basically come at a cost of growth. I mean, in terms of, you know, and then you asked about loans' ability to be competitive in pricing. So I think that's having a revenue on risk-weighted assets at 10% is quite a competitive number. And if we overstretch that number, it's going to come at cost of growth. And so I think that we have material upside and marginal, you know, benefits in balancing out the efficiency with growth. Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Andrew Coombs from Citi. Please go ahead.
Todd Tuckner: So I talked about a lot of the Basel III headwinds that we have. But certainly, you know, driving higher revenues over RWA and creating RWA productivity for sure contributes to the 18% return on CET1. Yeah. And overly focusing on, you know, above that level would basically come at a cost of growth. I mean, in terms of, you know, and then you asked about loans' ability to be competitive in pricing. So I think that's having a revenue on risk-weighted assets at 10% is quite a competitive number. And if we overstretch that number, it's going to come at cost of growth. And so I think that we have material upside and marginal, you know, benefits in balancing out the efficiency with growth.
Speaker #12: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Andrew Coombs from CT . Please go ahead .
Speaker #4: Morning .
Speaker #13: I have one basic question on that interest income, and then a follow-up on the ordinance and legislation on net interest for the Q1 guide for GW.
Speaker #13: You called out a small decline due to data, but deposit rates—perhaps just elaborate on what you mean by changing deposit rates there.
Speaker #13: And then my broader question on full-year '26 net interest income is: when you gave your guidance, you talked about the contribution from the ARM exercise in November on the LME.
Anke Reingen: Okay. Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Andrew Coombs from Citi. Please go ahead.
Speaker #13: So in November . But can you just talk about the NII benefit across the that LME divisions exercise from and also the 81 issuance ?
Todd Tuckner: Morning, Matt. I asked one broad-based question led into Steenkamp, and then a follow-up on the new Basel legislation led into Steenkamp, firstly, on the Q1 guide, the GWN. You called out some more decline due to day count, but also you said deposit rates. Perhaps you could just elaborate on what you mean by changing deposit rates there. And then my broader question on full year 2026 led into Steenkamp is when you gave your guidance. You talked about the contribution from the ALM exercise in November or the LME exercise, sorry, in November. But can you just talk about the NII benefit across the divisions from that LME exercise, and also the AT1 issuance you recently did in January? I know you put that through and led into Steenkamp. So what's the impact to your GWN and PMC NII numbers from that as well?
Andrew Coombs: Morning, Matt. I asked one broad-based question led into Steenkamp, and then a follow-up on the new Basel legislation led into Steenkamp, firstly, on the Q1 guide, the GWN. You called out some more decline due to day count, but also you said deposit rates. Perhaps you could just elaborate on what you mean by changing deposit rates there. And then my broader question on full year 2026 led into Steenkamp is when you gave your guidance. You talked about the contribution from the ALM exercise in November or the LME exercise, sorry, in November. But can you just talk about the NII benefit across the divisions from that LME exercise, and also the AT1 issuance you recently did in January? I know you put that through and led into Steenkamp. So what's the impact to your GWN and PMC NII numbers from that as well?
Speaker #13: Recently, you did in January? I know you put that through your income. So what's the impact to your GW and NII numbers from that as well?
Speaker #13: And then the broader, the other question just on the legislation, obviously, I think we've all read the Finance Minister's interview in FMW at the end of January.
Speaker #13: I mean, she was talking about AT1 being unsuitable for the purpose of the new capital reform because it would cost the bank as much as extra capital.
Speaker #13: It would unsettle markets. And if you could just share your thoughts on 81 versus 41 capital, thank you.
Speaker #2: So , Andy , hi . So on NII , I mean , you know , normally using rates are supportive for for net interest income in general .
Speaker #2: bit , the outside the US that a to benefit But lower deposit rates is more limited because a meaningful portion of our deposits , particularly in Swiss francs , are at or near their effective floor .
Todd Tuckner: And then the broader, the other question, just on the foreign-interest legislation, obviously, I think we've all read the finance minister's interview in FMW at the end of January. I mean, she was talking about '81 being unsuitable for the purpose of the new capital reform because it would cost the bank as much as exit capital. It would unsettle markets. I wonder if you could just share your thoughts on '81 versus Q1 capital. Thank you. So, Andy, hi. So on NII, I mean, you know, normally, rising rates are supportive for net interest income in general. But to unpack that a bit, outside the US, the benefit from lower deposit rates is more limited because a meaningful portion of our deposits, particularly in Swiss francs, are at or near their effective floor.
Andrew Coombs: And then the broader, the other question, just on the foreign-interest legislation, obviously, I think we've all read the finance minister's interview in FMW at the end of January. I mean, she was talking about '81 being unsuitable for the purpose of the new capital reform because it would cost the bank as much as exit capital. It would unsettle markets. I wonder if you could just share your thoughts on '81 versus Q1 capital. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And we have a significant part of our deposit base in in Swiss francs . And as a result , you know , the , the acid yields or the replicating portfolios reprice down faster .
Speaker #2: And that compresses margins . So that's what I mean by the impact on the impact from deposit rates . That way a bit on the sequential Q on Q as , as rates come lower in , in particularly in the lower rate currencies like Swiss francs , but also euro to an extent as as well on the LME , the , the the benefit that we see is about 100 million per year across a net net of the PPA , across each of the next three years , roughly .
Todd Tuckner: So, Andy, hi. So on NII, I mean, you know, normally, rising rates are supportive for net interest income in general. But to unpack that a bit, outside the US, the benefit from lower deposit rates is more limited because a meaningful portion of our deposits, particularly in Swiss francs, are at or near their effective floor.
Speaker #2: So we see that and it's split across wealth , PNC and with respect to the Opco issuance , we bought back as well , non-core and legacy in terms of its its funding cost drag .
Todd Tuckner: We have a significant part of our deposit base in Swiss francs. And as a result, you know, the asset yields or the replicating portfolios reprice down faster, and that compresses margins. So that's what I mean by the impact from deposit rates that weigh a bit on the sequential Q-on-Q as rates come lower, particularly in the lower-rate currencies, like Swiss francs, but also euro to an extent as well. On the LME, the benefit that we see is about CHF 100 million per year, across a net of the PPA across each of the next 3 years, roughly. So we see that.
Todd Tuckner: We have a significant part of our deposit base in Swiss francs. And as a result, you know, the asset yields or the replicating portfolios reprice down faster, and that compresses margins. So that's what I mean by the impact from deposit rates that weigh a bit on the sequential Q-on-Q as rates come lower, particularly in the lower-rate currencies, like Swiss francs, but also euro to an extent as well. On the LME, the benefit that we see is about CHF 100 million per year, across a net of the PPA across each of the next 3 years, roughly. So we see that.
Speaker #1: Yeah . On the 81 topic , I think that first of all , it's clear that the lessons learned on what happened in 2023 tells us that maybe some clarification around , you know , some aspect on how the 81 should be called into a restructuring are necessary .
Speaker #1: Having said that, I would just point out that without AT1, Credit Suisse would have gone through a resolution on Monday morning.
Speaker #1: So , I mean , if we question the if one want to effectiveness of the 81 , we had a concrete and not theoretical example on how it was critical to , to , to to restoring very rapidly financial stability in Switzerland and , and also globally .
Todd Tuckner: It's split across wealth, PNC, and, with respect to the OPCO issuance, we bought back as well Non-Core and Legacy, in terms of its funding cost drag. Yeah. On the '81 topic, I think that, first of all, it's clear that the lessons learned on what happened in 2023 tells us that maybe some clarification around, ex you know, some aspect on how the '81 should be called into a restructuring, are necessary. Having said that, I would just point out that without '81, Credit Suisse would have gone through a resolution on Monday morning. So, I mean, if one want to question the effectiveness of the '81, we had a concrete, not theoretical, example on how it was critical to restoring very rapidly financial stability in Switzerland and also globally.
Todd Tuckner: It's split across wealth, PNC, and, with respect to the OPCO issuance, we bought back as well Non-Core and Legacy, in terms of its funding cost drag. Yeah. On the '81 topic, I think that, first of all, it's clear that the lessons learned on what happened in 2023 tells us that maybe some clarification around, ex you know, some aspect on how the '81 should be called into a restructuring, are necessary. Having said that, I would just point out that without '81, Credit Suisse would have gone through a resolution on Monday morning. So, I mean, if one want to question the effectiveness of the '81, we had a concrete, not theoretical, example on how it was critical to restoring very rapidly financial stability in Switzerland and also globally.
Speaker #1: So from , from my point of view , that's a first observation . The second one , I would say that , you know , the Basel Committee has confirmed its total backing of the 81 as a vital part of the capital stack .
Speaker #1: So , frankly , I think that that's it's very important to really understand that the international landscape and how these things are working and , and regulate accordingly .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from Flora from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #14: Yes . Thank you . Good morning . The first question I'd like to come back on the buyback just to make sure I fully understand the message there , because , you know , in the past you used to do two tranches on buybacks , one in H1 , one in H2 .
Speaker #14: So can you clarify and apologize if you already have on the . The buyback for 2026 . When you say 3 billion and potentially more , when are you going to launch that buyback ?
Todd Tuckner: So, from my standpoint of view, that's a first observation. The second one, I would say that's, you know, the Basel Committee has confirmed its total backing of the AT1 as a vital part of the capital stack. So, frankly, I think that that's it's very important to really understand the international landscape and how these things are working and regulate accordingly. The next question comes from Flora Bocahut from Barclays. Please go ahead. Yes. Thank you. Good morning. The first question, I'd like to come back on the buyback, just to make sure I fully understand the message there because, you know, in the past, you used to do two tranches on the buybacks, one in H1, one in H2. So can you clarify, and apologies if you already have, on the buyback for 2026?
Todd Tuckner: So, from my standpoint of view, that's a first observation. The second one, I would say that's, you know, the Basel Committee has confirmed its total backing of the AT1 as a vital part of the capital stack. So, frankly, I think that that's it's very important to really understand the international landscape and how these things are working and regulate accordingly.
Speaker #14: And is the plan as of now that the whole of the 3 billion would be achieved over H1 ? So just to understand here , the timing of the buyback , the second question is about the PNC Bank cost , income ratio .
Speaker #14: In your presentation, you said that you continue to target, you know, that exit rate in Q4 of below 50%, and then reported 48% for Q4. You said you think you can achieve that even if Q1 or Q2, 2026.
Operator: The next question comes from Flora Bocahut from Barclays. Please go ahead.
Speaker #14: Rates are zero at the SNB. But obviously in '25 you're still much higher than that. So can you maybe elaborate again on what gives you the confidence that you can decline?
Flora Bocahut: Yes. Thank you. Good morning. The first question, I'd like to come back on the buyback, just to make sure I fully understand the message there because, you know, in the past, you used to do two tranches on the buybacks, one in H1, one in H2. So can you clarify, and apologies if you already have, on the buyback for 2026?
Speaker #14: You know , the the cost income ratio by so much over ten points . Basically in 26 . And how much of that would be driven specifically by the decommissioning of the IT system at Credit Suisse ?
Speaker #14: Thank you .
Speaker #2: For so on the first question , in terms of our approach , when we here further on on the ordinance later in the first quarter , first half of the year , we would come out in a subsequent quarter and potentially offer a view on our willingness to do more .
Todd Tuckner: When you say CHF 3 billion and potentially more, when are you going to launch that buyback? And is the plan as of now that the whole of the CHF 3 billion would be achieved over H1? So just to understand, you know, here, the timing of the buyback. The second question is about the bank's cost-income ratio. You said in your presentation that you continue to target, you know, that exit rate 2026 of below 50%, and then reported 48% for 2028. You said you think you can achieve that even if rates are 0 at the SNB. But obviously, in 2025, you're still much higher than that.
Flora Bocahut: When you say CHF 3 billion and potentially more, when are you going to launch that buyback? And is the plan as of now that the whole of the CHF 3 billion would be achieved over H1? So just to understand, you know, here, the timing of the buyback. The second question is about the bank's cost-income ratio. You said in your presentation that you continue to target, you know, that exit rate 2026 of below 50%, and then reported 48% for 2028. You said you think you can achieve that even if rates are 0 at the SNB. But obviously, in 2025, you're still much higher than that.
Speaker #2: And if so , how much so that is contingent , of course , on , on on what those final rules say . And and just if , if there's even further visibility on on the broader regulatory framework in , in Switzerland .
Speaker #2: Would come, so we ought to talk about that in terms of the $3 billion that we're committing. Do we think it's fair that around $2 billion...
Todd Tuckner: So can you maybe elaborate again on what gives you the confidence that you can decline, you know, the cost-income ratio by so much, over 10 points, basically, in 2026, and how much of that would be driven specifically by the decommissioning of the IT system at Credit Suisse? Thank you. Sure. So on the first question, in terms of our approach, when we hear further on the ordinance later in Q1 or first half of the year, we would come out in a subsequent quarter and potentially offer a view on our willingness to do more. And if so, how much? So that is contingent, of course, on what those final rules say and just if there's even further visibility on the broader regulatory framework in Switzerland. So we would come out and talk about that.
Flora Bocahut: So can you maybe elaborate again on what gives you the confidence that you can decline, you know, the cost-income ratio by so much, over 10 points, basically, in 2026, and how much of that would be driven specifically by the decommissioning of the IT system at Credit Suisse? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Will be in undertaken the half first of just 2026 to think about timing in respect of that ? On the PNC cost income ratio , as Sergio mentioned , we're we're it's unlikely we would meet the less than 50% cost income ratio on an underlying basis in 2026 .
Todd Tuckner: Sure. So on the first question, in terms of our approach, when we hear further on the ordinance later in Q1 or first half of the year, we would come out in a subsequent quarter and potentially offer a view on our willingness to do more. And if so, how much? So that is contingent, of course, on what those final rules say and just if there's even further visibility on the broader regulatory framework in Switzerland. So we would come out and talk about that.
Speaker #2: Given the NII as headwinds . And you rightly say , said that in the we 48% can be achieved by 28 even in the current interest rate environment .
Speaker #2: So what gives us confidence on that ? So I would say it's two things . You know , broadly . One , it's PNC building out their non revenues , continuing to grow Nonii revenues .
Speaker #2: You know , whether it be across personal banking . But also in their corporate and institutional segment . So very focused especially after the platform migration is complete at the end of Q1 that you know without distraction that the business is out and and improving .
Todd Tuckner: In terms of the CHF 3 billion that we're committing to do, we think it's fair that around CHF 2 billion will be undertaken in the first half of 2026 to think about just timing in respect of that. On the PNC cost-income ratio, as Sergio mentioned, we're, it's unlikely we would meet the less than 50% cost-income ratio on an underlying basis in 2026 given the NII headwinds. And as you rightly say, we said that the 48% can be achieved by 2028, even in the current interest rate environment. So what gives us confidence on that? So I would say it's two things, you know, broadly. One, it's PNC building out their non-NII revenues, continuing to grow non-NII revenues, you know, whether it be across personal banking, but also in their corporate and institutional segment.
Todd Tuckner: In terms of the CHF 3 billion that we're committing to do, we think it's fair that around CHF 2 billion will be undertaken in the first half of 2026 to think about just timing in respect of that. On the PNC cost-income ratio, as Sergio mentioned, we're, it's unlikely we would meet the less than 50% cost-income ratio on an underlying basis in 2026 given the NII headwinds. And as you rightly say, we said that the 48% can be achieved by 2028, even in the current interest rate environment. So what gives us confidence on that? So I would say it's two things, you know, broadly. One, it's PNC building out their non-NII revenues, continuing to grow non-NII revenues, you know, whether it be across personal banking, but also in their corporate and institutional segment.
Speaker #2: And driving growth in those , those areas on the top line . And then of course , on the on the expense side , of have it's it's important to , course , we you know , recognize that we're taking a lot of cost out of the businesses that are in there .
Speaker #2: Operating margins at the moment . We take those costs out . PNC will be a big beneficiary of the of the gross cost saves that we out take in 2026 .
Speaker #2: That's so going to help, and then just further add efficiency, as do some of the things that Sergio highlighted in his prepared remarks in terms of operating efficiency through investments in our operating model and in technology.
Speaker #2: So those are the things that give us confidence to get to around 48% by ’28, irrespective of the rates environment.
Speaker #14: Okay . Thank you .
Speaker #3: The next question comes from the line of Amit Goyal from Mediobanca. Please go ahead.
Todd Tuckner: So very focused, especially after the platform migration is completed at the end of Q1, that, you know, without distraction, the business is out and improving, and driving growth in those areas on the top line. And then, of course, on the expense side, of course, it's important to, you know, recognize that we're taking a lot of cost out of the businesses that are in their operating margins at the moment. We take those costs out. NCL will be a big beneficiary of the gross cost savings that we take out in 2026. So that's going to help. And then just further efficiency, as we do some of the things that Sergio highlighted in his prepared remarks in terms of creating more operating efficiency through continuing investments in our operating model, and in technology.
Todd Tuckner: So very focused, especially after the platform migration is completed at the end of Q1, that, you know, without distraction, the business is out and improving, and driving growth in those areas on the top line. And then, of course, on the expense side, of course, it's important to, you know, recognize that we're taking a lot of cost out of the businesses that are in their operating margins at the moment. We take those costs out. NCL will be a big beneficiary of the gross cost savings that we take out in 2026. So that's going to help. And then just further efficiency, as we do some of the things that Sergio highlighted in his prepared remarks in terms of creating more operating efficiency through continuing investments in our operating model, and in technology.
Speaker #15: Hi . Thank you . So one question . Just coming back on the wealth US business . Just just in terms of squaring the circle .
Speaker #15: So, I think obviously you're talking about a positive kind of full-year flow performance, with the first half potentially still being a bit negative.
Speaker #15: So, you know, ramping up in the second half—when I think about that, then it probably does require a bit more commitment and expense.
Speaker #15: And so, to get the kind of better operating margins that I think you're guiding to now for next year and the year after, especially with lower rates.
Speaker #15: I'm just wondering, what are you baking in for the impact from getting the national charter, and how quickly and how significantly can that impact?
Speaker #15: Or should we expect ? Or is that baked into your expectations ? And then secondly , just coming back on the capital ? Upstreaming the 9 billion , I suppose I was a bit surprised that , being able to accelerate it or to do it a bit quicker .
Todd Tuckner: So those are the things that give us confidence to get to around 48% by 2028 irrespective of the rates environment. Okay. Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Amit Goel from Mediobanca. Please go ahead. Hi. Thank you. So, one question just coming back on the US wealth business. Just, just in terms of squaring circles, I think I was hearing talking about a positive kind of full-year flow performance with, the first half potentially still being a bit negative, so, you know, ramping up in the second half. When I think about that, then it probably does require a bit of more commitment, expense.
Todd Tuckner: So those are the things that give us confidence to get to around 48% by 2028 irrespective of the rates environment.
Flora Bocahut: Okay. Thank you.
Speaker #15: I was just kind of curious because , you know , then , for example , in terms of the 26 billion number that has , you know , been know , presented capital that demand , you know , that drops to about 21.5 or just above .
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Amit Goel from Mediobanca. Please go ahead.
Amit Goel: Hi. Thank you. So, one question just coming back on the US wealth business. Just, just in terms of squaring circles, I think I was hearing talking about a positive kind of full-year flow performance with, the first half potentially still being a bit negative, so, you know, ramping up in the second half. When I think about that, then it probably does require a bit of more commitment, expense.
Speaker #15: So and just kind of curious why you do this now versus waiting until we have got a bit further down the parliamentary discussion process , because it could give the impression that , you know , some of these demands are a bit more manageable .
Speaker #15: So, so just wanted to, you know, touch on that if possible. Thank you.
Speaker #2: Yeah . So on your first question , look , the in terms of our 28 ambitions that Sergio described in his prepared remarks in the US , pre-tax margin , US wealth pre-tax margin , you know , naturally the costs are are baked in .
Todd Tuckner: And so to get the kind of better operating margins that I think you're guiding to now for next year and the year after, especially with lower rates, I'm just wondering what are you baking into the impact from getting the national charter and how quickly and how significantly can that impact or should we expect or is that baked into your expectations? And then secondly, just coming back on the capital upstreaming the CHF 9 billion, I suppose I was a bit surprised that, you know, being able to accelerate it or to do it a bit quicker. I was just kind of curious because, you know, then, for example, in terms of the CHF 26 billion number that has, you know, been presented as, you know, incremental capital demands, you know, that drops to about CHF 21.5 billion or just above.
Amit Goel: And so to get the kind of better operating margins that I think you're guiding to now for next year and the year after, especially with lower rates, I'm just wondering what are you baking into the impact from getting the national charter and how quickly and how significantly can that impact or should we expect or is that baked into your expectations? And then secondly, just coming back on the capital upstreaming the CHF 9 billion, I suppose I was a bit surprised that, you know, being able to accelerate it or to do it a bit quicker.
Speaker #2: If you're talking about I guess I think in your first point you were trying to say more commitment to , you know , to sort of reverse the , the net recruiting impacts as well as , you know , you talked about the national charter .
Speaker #2: So the cost of doing that are , of course , in our plans in terms of , you know , ramping up recruiting , but also , you know , seeing that some of the movements also start to taper as we move through 2026 , that is our expectation in terms of the timing on on the the national charter , I think it's , you know , we already are leveraging the build out of the of banking the capabilities .
Amit Goel: I was just kind of curious because, you know, then, for example, in terms of the CHF 26 billion number that has, you know, been presented as, you know, incremental capital demands, you know, that drops to about CHF 21.5 billion or just above.
Todd Tuckner: So I'm just kind of curious why you do this now versus waiting till we have got a bit further down the parliamentary discussion process because it could give the impression that, you know, some of these demands are a bit more manageable. So just wanted to, you know, touch on that if possible. Thank you. Hi, Amit. So, on your first question, look, in terms of our 2028 ambitions that Sergio described in his prepared remarks in the U.S. pretax margin, U.S. wealth pretax margin, you know, naturally, the costs are baked in if you're talking about. I guess I think in your first point, you were trying to say more commitment to, you know, to sort of reverse the net recruiting impacts, as well as, you know, you talked about the national charter.
Amit Goel: So I'm just kind of curious why you do this now versus waiting till we have got a bit further down the parliamentary discussion process because it could give the impression that, you know, some of these demands are a bit more manageable. So just wanted to, you know, touch on that if possible. Thank you.
Speaker #2: And we're doing quite well with it . We're growing NII , we're growing loan balances . And the national we're going charter , to be able to just leverage the progress that we're making that will take , you know , that will take time .
Todd Tuckner: Hi, Amit. So, on your first question, look, in terms of our 2028 ambitions that Sergio described in his prepared remarks in the U.S. pretax margin, U.S. wealth pretax margin, you know, naturally, the costs are baked in if you're talking about. I guess I think in your first point, you were trying to say more commitment to, you know, to sort of reverse the net recruiting impacts, as well as, you know, you talked about the national charter.
Speaker #2: that contributes to meaningful pre-tax margin accretion asked . You about the Upstreaming and the You timing . know , I think for us , you know , where we're focused on on de-risking non-core and legacy as fast as possible .
Speaker #2: That's been , you know , our stated objective all along to reduce the balance sheet and take out costs . And to do it in a capital effective way .
Speaker #2: We've said that from the very beginning . We've made very strong progress in doing that . And as a know , we've been able to result , you .
Todd Tuckner: So the costs of doing that are, of course, in our plans, in terms of, you know, ramping up recruiting but also, you know, seeing that some of the movements also start to taper as we move through 2026. That is our expectation. In terms of the timing on the national charter, I think it's, you know, we already are leveraging the build-out of the banking capabilities. And we're doing quite well with it. We're growing NII. We're growing loan balances. And the national charter, we're going to be able to just, you know, leverage the progress that we're making. That will take, you know, that will take time. Once we get the national charter and we're able to, you know, roll out the additional capabilities to the clients, it'll take time before there's meaningful growth.
Todd Tuckner: So the costs of doing that are, of course, in our plans, in terms of, you know, ramping up recruiting but also, you know, seeing that some of the movements also start to taper as we move through 2026. That is our expectation. In terms of the timing on the national charter, I think it's, you know, we already are leveraging the build-out of the banking capabilities. And we're doing quite well with it. We're growing NII. We're growing loan balances.
Speaker #2: Satisfy reviews around capital that sits in a number of these entities across the globe, including in the UK and the US. We've secured approvals to upstream the capital, and we've done that.
Speaker #3: The last line, Benjamin—question is Goy from Deutsche Bank. Of coming from the—please go ahead.
Speaker #16: Hi , money . One last question on investment bank . Do you have shown strong revenue growth without any RBA increase ? I'm just wondering whether there's more opportunities left or do you expect revenue growth and RWA growth to pick up .
Todd Tuckner: And the national charter, we're going to be able to just, you know, leverage the progress that we're making. That will take, you know, that will take time. Once we get the national charter and we're able to, you know, roll out the additional capabilities to the clients, it'll take time before there's meaningful growth.
Speaker #16: And are you willing to even allow for disproportionate revenue or RWA growth if the opportunities are there? Thank you.
Speaker #2: Benjamin . Just on the RWA look , I think it's important to point out 2025 just was , you know , a particularly strong year for the investment bank in terms of their ability to generate revenues in a capital light fashion .
Todd Tuckner: That contributes to meaningful pretax margin accretion. You asked about the upstreaming and the timing. You know, I think for us, you know, we're focused on de-risking Non-Core and Legacy as fast as possible. That's been, you know, our stated objective all along to reduce the balance sheet and take out costs and to do it in a capital-effective way. We've said that from the very beginning. We've made very strong progress in doing that. And as a result, you know, we've been able to satisfy supervisory reviews around the capital that sits in a number of these entities across the globe, including in the UK and the US. We've secured approvals to upstream the capital, and we've done that. Last question is coming from the line of Benjamin Goy from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead. Hi. One last question on Investment Bank.
Todd Tuckner: That contributes to meaningful pretax margin accretion. You asked about the upstreaming and the timing. You know, I think for us, you know, we're focused on de-risking Non-Core and Legacy as fast as possible. That's been, you know, our stated objective all along to reduce the balance sheet and take out costs and to do it in a capital-effective way. We've said that from the very beginning. We've made very strong progress in doing that.
Speaker #2: They will always do that because that's the nature of their business. But it was potentially accentuated in 2025 by two things.
Speaker #2: just One , I think the market conditions were that such and given our positioning vis a vis the market , that we were able to generate significant trading flows without taking significantly up market rwas .
Todd Tuckner: And as a result, you know, we've been able to satisfy supervisory reviews around the capital that sits in a number of these entities across the globe, including in the UK and the US. We've secured approvals to upstream the capital, and we've done that.
Speaker #2: So that that's that's one thing . And the second thing , it's also important I mentioned that , you know , we as a bank are wearing the burden of of significant RWA inflation from having implemented Basel three , but also over a number of years in preparing for it .
Speaker #2: Is it fair to say that, you know, on trade date, which is the implementation date of Basel III final for us at the beginning of Q1 2025...
Operator: Last question is coming from the line of Benjamin Goy from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
Speaker #2: were , you know , reductions . So even though we , you know , as I said , we were wearing about 60 billion of additional RWA on , on settlement date , I should say that of the Basel three that we ultimately saw reductions .
Benjamin Goy: Hi. One last question on Investment Bank.
Todd Tuckner: We have shown strong revenue growth without any RWA increase. Just wondering whether there's more opportunities left, or do you expect revenue growth, RWA growth to pick up? And are you willing to even allow for disproportionate revenue RWA growth if the opportunities are there? Thank you. Benjamin. Just on the RWA, look, I think it's important to point out 2025 just was, you know, a particularly strong year for the Investment Bank in terms of their ability to generate revenues in a capital-light fashion. They will always do that because that's the nature of their business. But it was potentially accentuated in 2025 by two things. One, I just think the market conditions were such that, and given our positioning vis-à-vis the market, that we were able to generate significant trading flows without significantly taking up market RWAs. So that's one thing.
Benjamin Goy: We have shown strong revenue growth without any RWA increase. Just wondering whether there's more opportunities left, or do you expect revenue growth, RWA growth to pick up? And are you willing to even allow for disproportionate revenue RWA growth if the opportunities are there? Thank you.
Speaker #2: And so the that benefited from well . IB In as 2025 . In terms of its RWA consumption . So a number of factors , I think that played in in making 25 quite unusual .
Todd Tuckner: Benjamin. Just on the RWA, look, I think it's important to point out 2025 just was, you know, a particularly strong year for the Investment Bank in terms of their ability to generate revenues in a capital-light fashion. They will always do that because that's the nature of their business. But it was potentially accentuated in 2025 by two things. One, I just think the market conditions were such that, and given our positioning vis-à-vis the market, that we were able to generate significant trading flows without significantly taking up market RWAs. So that's one thing.
Speaker #2: But look , we we always believe that the IB will will be able to be successful in a capital light fashion .
Speaker #17: Thank you .
Speaker #18: I think there are no further questions. We just thank everyone for dialing in, and we look forward to speaking to you again with our first quarter results.
Speaker #18: Thank you .
Speaker #3: Ladies and gentlemen, the webcast and Q&A session for analysts and investors is over. You may disconnect your lines. We will now take a short break and continue with the media Q&A session at 11:15 CET.
Todd Tuckner: The second thing, it's also important I mentioned that, you know, we as a bank, are wearing the burden of significant RWA inflation from having implemented Basel III but also over a number of years in preparing for it. It is fair to say that, you know, on trade date, which is the implementation date of Basel III final for us at the beginning of 2025, there were, you know, reductions. So even though we you know, as I said, we were wearing about CHF 60 billion of additional RWA, on settlement date, I should say, that of Basel III, that we ultimately saw reductions. And so the IB benefited from that, as well in 2025 in terms of its RWA consumption. So a number of factors, I think, that played in making 2025 quite unusual.
Todd Tuckner: The second thing, it's also important I mentioned that, you know, we as a bank, are wearing the burden of significant RWA inflation from having implemented Basel III but also over a number of years in preparing for it. It is fair to say that, you know, on trade date, which is the implementation date of Basel III final for us at the beginning of 2025, there were, you know, reductions.
Todd Tuckner: So even though we you know, as I said, we were wearing about CHF 60 billion of additional RWA, on settlement date, I should say, that of Basel III, that we ultimately saw reductions. And so the IB benefited from that, as well in 2025 in terms of its RWA consumption. So a number of factors, I think, that played in making 2025 quite unusual.
Todd Tuckner: But look, we always believe that the IB will be able to be successful in a capital-light fashion. Thank you. I think there are no further questions. We just thank everyone for dialing in. And we look forward to speaking to you again with our Q1 results. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the webcast and Q&A session for analysts and investors is over. You may disconnect your lines. We will now take a short break and continue with the media Q&A session at 11:15 CET.
Todd Tuckner: But look, we always believe that the IB will be able to be successful in a capital-light fashion.
Benjamin Goy: Thank you.
Operator: I think there are no further questions. We just thank everyone for dialing in. And we look forward to speaking to you again with our Q1 results. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the webcast and Q&A session for analysts and investors is over. You may disconnect your lines. We will now take a short break and continue with the media Q&A session at 11:15 CET.
