Gladstone Capital Q1 2026 Gladstone Capital Corp Earnings Call | AllMind AI Earnings | AllMind AI
Q1 2026 Gladstone Capital Corp Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Greetings. Welcome to Gladstone
Operator: Greetings. Welcome to Gladstone Capital Corporation, First Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. David Gladstone, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you, sir. You may begin.
Operator: Greetings. Welcome to Gladstone Capital Corporation, First Quarter Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. David Gladstone, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you, sir. You may begin.
Speaker #1: earnings call. At this time, all Capital Corporation. First quarter participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. David Gladstone, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you, sir. You may
Speaker #1: begin. Thank you, Sherry.
David Gladstone: Thank you, Sherry. That was nice. This is Gladstone Capital's quarter ending 31 December 2025 call, and thank you all for calling in. We're always happy to talk to shareholders and analysts and welcome the opportunity to provide updates on our company and answer any questions. Before we get to this quarter's results, Catherine Gerkis, our Director of Investor Relations and ESG, will provide a brief disclosure regarding certain regulatory matters that we have to adhere to. Go ahead, Catherine.
David Gladstone: Thank you, Sherry. That was nice. This is Gladstone Capital's quarter ending 31 December 2025 call, and thank you all for calling in. We're always happy to talk to shareholders and analysts and welcome the opportunity to provide updates on our company and answer any questions. Before we get to this quarter's results, Catherine Gerkis, our Director of Investor Relations and ESG, will provide a brief disclosure regarding certain regulatory matters that we have to adhere to. Go ahead, Catherine.
Speaker #2: That was nice. And, this is Gladstone Capital's quarter-ending December 31st, 2025 call. And thank you all for calling in. We're always happy to talk to our shareholders and analysts.
Speaker #2: And welcome the opportunity to provide updates on our company and answer any questions. And before we results, Katherine Gerkis, our Director of Investor Relations and get to this quarter's ESG, will provide a brief disclosure regarding certain regulatory matters that we have to adhere to.
Speaker #2: Go ahead, Katherine.
Speaker #3: Good morning. Today's call may include forward-looking statements, which are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections. There are no guarantees of future performance and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements, due to various uncertainties, including the risk factors set forth in our SEC filing, which you can find on the investor's page of our website, gladstonecapital.com.
Catherine Gerkis: Good morning. Today's call may include forward-looking statements, which are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections. There are no guarantees of future performance, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements due to various uncertainties, including the risk factors set forth in our SEC filing, which you can find on the investors' page of our website, gladstonecapital.com. We assume no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. Please visit our website for a copy of our Form 10-Q and earnings press release for more detailed information. You can also sign up for our email notification service and find information on how to contact our Investor Relations Department. Now I will turn the call over to Gladstone Capital's President, Bob Marcotte.
Catherine Gerkis: Good morning. Today's call may include forward-looking statements, which are based on management's estimates, assumptions, and projections. There are no guarantees of future performance, and actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in these statements due to various uncertainties, including the risk factors set forth in our SEC filing, which you can find on the investors' page of our website, gladstonecapital.com. We assume no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. Please visit our website for a copy of our Form 10-Q and earnings press release for more detailed information. You can also sign up for our email notification service and find information on how to contact our Investor Relations Department. Now I will turn the call over to Gladstone Capital's President, Bob Marcotte.
Speaker #3: We assume no obligation to update any of these statements unless required by law. Please visit our website for a copy of our Form 10Q and earnings press release for more detailed information.
Speaker #3: You can also sign up for our email notification service and find information on how to contact our investor relations department. Now, I will turn the call over to Gladstone Capital's President, Bob
Speaker #3: Marcotte.
Speaker #4: Good
Speaker #4: Morning. Thank you, Katherine. I'll cover the highlights for the quarter and conclude with some comments on our near-term outlook for the company. Beginning with our last quarter's results, fundings last quarter totaled $99.1 million and included two new private equity-sponsored investments, totaling $37.8 million, and $61.3 million of additional advances to existing portfolio companies.
Bob Marcotte: Good morning. Thank you, Catherine. I'll cover the highlights for the quarter and conclude with some comments on our near-term outlook for the company. Beginning with our last quarter's results, funding's last quarter totaled $99.1 million and included two new private equity-sponsored investments totaling $37.8 million and $61.3 million of additional advances to existing portfolio companies. Exits and prepayments declined relative to the past couple of quarters to $52.8 million, so net originations were $46.3 million for the quarter. Interest income for the period rose to $23.9 million as the increase in average earning assets offset the 30 basis point decline in the average SOFR rates compared to last quarter, as our weighted average debt yield came in at 12.2% for the period. Interest and financing costs increased $200,000 on higher average bank borrowings incurred to complete the fixed-rate note refinancings last quarter and higher average investment balances.
Bob Marcotte: Good morning. Thank you, Catherine. I'll cover the highlights for the quarter and conclude with some comments on our near-term outlook for the company. Beginning with our last quarter's results, funding's last quarter totaled $99.1 million and included two new private equity-sponsored investments totaling $37.8 million and $61.3 million of additional advances to existing portfolio companies. Exits and prepayments declined relative to the past couple of quarters to $52.8 million, so net originations were $46.3 million for the quarter. Interest income for the period rose to $23.9 million as the increase in average earning assets offset the 30 basis point decline in the average SOFR rates compared to last quarter, as our weighted average debt yield came in at 12.2% for the period. Interest and financing costs increased $200,000 on higher average bank borrowings incurred to complete the fixed-rate note refinancings last quarter and higher average investment balances.
Speaker #4: Exits and prepayments declined relative to the past couple of quarters, to 52.8 million, so net originations were $46.3 million for the quarter. Interest income for the period rose to $23.9 million, as the increase in average earning assets offset the 30 basis point decline in the average SOFR rates compared to last quarter, as our weighted average debt yield came in at 12.2% for the period.
Speaker #4: Interest in financing costs increased $200,000 on higher average bank borrowings, incurred to complete the fixed-rate note refinancings last quarter, and higher average investment balances.
Speaker #4: In addition, net management fees rose $600,000, with the increase in average assets and lower origination fee credits, so net investment income came in at 11.3 million for the period.
Bob Marcotte: In addition, net management fees rose $600,000 with the increase in average assets and low origination fee credits, so net investment income came in at $11.3 million for the period. Net realized gains were $300,000 as the exit of our remaining equity in SOCL more than offset the $1.4 million write-off associated with the unamortized costs with the note refinancing completed last quarter. Unrealized losses rose to $5.3 million last quarter and were concentrated in three investment positions impacted by the recent government shutdown, or where we have replaced senior management and are expecting significant improvements over the balance of 2026. With respect to the portfolio, the portfolio growth for the period did not have a material impact on our investment mix or spread profile, as first-lien debt and total debt investments came in at 73% and 91% of the portfolio cost, respectively.
Bob Marcotte: In addition, net management fees rose $600,000 with the increase in average assets and low origination fee credits, so net investment income came in at $11.3 million for the period. Net realized gains were $300,000 as the exit of our remaining equity in SOCL more than offset the $1.4 million write-off associated with the unamortized costs with the note refinancing completed last quarter. Unrealized losses rose to $5.3 million last quarter and were concentrated in three investment positions impacted by the recent government shutdown, or where we have replaced senior management and are expecting significant improvements over the balance of 2026. With respect to the portfolio, the portfolio growth for the period did not have a material impact on our investment mix or spread profile, as first-lien debt and total debt investments came in at 73% and 91% of the portfolio cost, respectively.
Speaker #4: Net realized gains were $300,000, as the exit of SOCLE more than offset the our remaining equity in $1.4 million write-off associated with the unamortized costs, with the note refinancing completed last quarter.
Speaker #4: $5.3 million last quarter, and were concentrated in three investment Unrealized losses rose to positions, impacted by the recent government shutdown, or worry of replaced senior management, are ex and are expecting significant improvements over the balance of 2026.
Speaker #4: With respect to the portfolio, the portfolio growth for the period did not have a material impact on our investment mix or spread profile, as first-lean debt and total debt investments came in at 73% and 91% of the portfolio cost, respectively.
Speaker #4: As of the end of the quarter, our three non-earning asset debt investments were unchanged, with a cost basis of $28.8 million, or 13.2 million at fair value, or 1.6%.
Bob Marcotte: As of the end of the quarter, our three non-earning asset debt investments were unchanged, with a cost basis of $28.8 million or $13.2 million at fair value, or 1.6%. In addition, PIK income for the quarter rose to $2.3 million, or 9.6% of interest income. However, we also collected $2.8 million of PIK for the period, so our accrued PIK balance declined accordingly. Since the end of the quarter, we've experienced one significant prepayment of Vet's Choice in the amount of $42.8 million, which also generated a large prepayment fee of $855,000 on the period. To date, we've funded an additional $6 million senior debt investment in a precision machining business.
Bob Marcotte: As of the end of the quarter, our three non-earning asset debt investments were unchanged, with a cost basis of $28.8 million or $13.2 million at fair value, or 1.6%. In addition, PIK income for the quarter rose to $2.3 million, or 9.6% of interest income. However, we also collected $2.8 million of PIK for the period, so our accrued PIK balance declined accordingly. Since the end of the quarter, we've experienced one significant prepayment of Vet's Choice in the amount of $42.8 million, which also generated a large prepayment fee of $855,000 on the period. To date, we've funded an additional $6 million senior debt investment in a precision machining business.
Speaker #4: In addition, pick income for the quarter rose to $2.3 million, or 9.6% of interest income, however we also collected $2.8 million of pick for the period, so our accrued pick balance declined accordingly.
Speaker #4: experienced one significant prepayment of Vet's Choice, in the amount Since the end of the quarter, we've of $42.8 million, which also generated a large prepayment fee of $855,000 on the period.
Speaker #4: And to date, we've funded an additional $6 million senior debt investment in a precision machining business. Although earning assets have declined since the end of last quarter, our current pipeline of late-stage deals—which have been vetted, awarded, or are in diligence or documentation—is quite robust at over $100 million, and should more than offset the recent repayments.
Bob Marcotte: Although earning assets have declined since the end of last quarter, our current pipeline of late-stage deals, which have been vetted, awarded, or in diligence or documentation, is quite robust at over $100 million and should more than offset the recent repayments. The level of near-term investment opportunities we're working through in what is traditionally a slow Q1 is frankly a bit surprising. I would attribute this investment activity to the resilience of the lower middle market deal flows and the growth prospects within our existing portfolio. We ended the quarter with a conservative leverage position and net debt at a modest 93% of NAV and have increased our floating-rate bank borrowings to better match our asset rate sensitivity while bringing down our net funding costs as short-term interest rates ease, and we reduce our unused facility fees accordingly.
Bob Marcotte: Although earning assets have declined since the end of last quarter, our current pipeline of late-stage deals, which have been vetted, awarded, or in diligence or documentation, is quite robust at over $100 million and should more than offset the recent repayments. The level of near-term investment opportunities we're working through in what is traditionally a slow Q1 is frankly a bit surprising. I would attribute this investment activity to the resilience of the lower middle market deal flows and the growth prospects within our existing portfolio. We ended the quarter with a conservative leverage position and net debt at a modest 93% of NAV and have increased our floating-rate bank borrowings to better match our asset rate sensitivity while bringing down our net funding costs as short-term interest rates ease, and we reduce our unused facility fees accordingly.
Speaker #4: The level of net the level of near-term investment opportunities we are working through, in what is traditionally a slow Q1, is frankly a bit surprising.
Speaker #4: I would attribute this investment activity to the resilience of the lower middle growth prospects within our existing market deal flows, and the portfolio. We ended the quarter with a conservative leverage position and net debt at a modest $93% of NAV, and have increased our floating rate bank borrowings to better match our asset rate sensitivity, while bringing down our net funding costs as short-term interest rates ease, and we reduce our unused facility fees accordingly.
Speaker #4: Our current line of credit facility totals $365 million, and net of the recent repayments, our borrowing availability is more than $150 million, which is amp more than ample to support our near-term investment activities.
Bob Marcotte: Our current line of credit facility totals $365 million, and net of the recent repayments, our borrowing availability is more than $150 million, which is more than ample to support our near-term investment activities. Now I'll turn the call over to Nicole Schaltenbrand, our CFO, to provide some details on the fund's financial results for the quarter.
Bob Marcotte: Our current line of credit facility totals $365 million, and net of the recent repayments, our borrowing availability is more than $150 million, which is more than ample to support our near-term investment activities. Now I'll turn the call over to Nicole Schaltenbrand, our CFO, to provide some details on the fund's financial results for the quarter.
Speaker #4: And now I'll turn the call over to Nicole Schaltenbrand, our CFO, to provide some details on the fund's financial results for the quarter.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Bob. Good morning. During the December quarter, total interest income rose $100,000, or 1%, to $23.9 million, as the average earning assets rose 20.3 million, or 3%, while the weighted average yield on our interest-bearing portfolio declined 30 basis points to 12.2% for income was $24.5 million on the period.
Catherine Gerkis: Thanks, Bob. Good morning. During the December quarter, total interest income rose $100,000, or 1%, to $23.9 million as the average earning assets rose $20.3 million, or 3%, while the weighted average yield on our interest-bearing portfolio declined 30 basis points to 12.2% for the period. Total investment income was $24.5 million on higher interest earnings, and fee income rose $400,000 from last quarter. Total expenses rose $800,000, or 6%, versus the prior quarter as total interest expenses rose $200,000 with increased bank borrowings, and net management fees rose $600,000 on higher average investments and lower deal closing fees credits. Net investment income for the quarter declined to $11.3 million, or $0.50, per share.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Thanks, Bob. Good morning. During the December quarter, total interest income rose $100,000, or 1%, to $23.9 million as the average earning assets rose $20.3 million, or 3%, while the weighted average yield on our interest-bearing portfolio declined 30 basis points to 12.2% for the period. Total investment income was $24.5 million on higher interest earnings, and fee income rose $400,000 from last quarter. Total expenses rose $800,000, or 6%, versus the prior quarter as total interest expenses rose $200,000 with increased bank borrowings, and net management fees rose $600,000 on higher average investments and lower deal closing fees credits. Net investment income for the quarter declined to $11.3 million, or $0.50, per share.
Speaker #5: Total investment, higher interest earnings, and fee income rose $400,000 from last quarter. Total expenses rose $800,000, or 6%, versus the prior quarter, as total interest expenses rose $200,000 with increased bank borrowings, and net management fees rose $600,000 on higher average investments and lower deal closing fee credits.
Speaker #5: Net investment income for the quarter declined to $11.3 million, or 50 cents, per share. The net increase in net assets resulting from operations was $5.5 million, or 24 cents, per share, for the quarter ended December 31st.
Catherine Gerkis: The net increase in net assets resulting from operations was $5.5 million, or $0.24 per share for the quarter ended 31 December, as impacted by the realized and unrealized valuation depreciation covered by Bob earlier. Moving over to the balance sheet, as of 31 December, total assets rose to $923 million, consisting primarily of $903 million in investments in fair value and $20 million in cash and other assets. Liabilities rose $20 million quarter-over-quarter to $445 million as of 31 December, with the increase in LOC borrowings to call and repay our $150 million of 5 and an eighth notes previously due January 2026 and our $57 million of 7 and three-quarter notes previously due in 2028, and to fund our net originations.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: The net increase in net assets resulting from operations was $5.5 million, or $0.24 per share for the quarter ended 31 December, as impacted by the realized and unrealized valuation depreciation covered by Bob earlier. Moving over to the balance sheet, as of 31 December, total assets rose to $923 million, consisting primarily of $903 million in investments in fair value and $20 million in cash and other assets. Liabilities rose $20 million quarter-over-quarter to $445 million as of 31 December, with the increase in LOC borrowings to call and repay our $150 million of 5 and an eighth notes previously due January 2026 and our $57 million of 7 and three-quarter notes previously due in 2028, and to fund our net originations.
Speaker #5: As impacted by the realized and unrealized valuation, depreciation covered by Bob earlier. Moving over to the balance sheet. As of December 31st, total assets rose to $923 million, consisting primarily of $903 million in investments in fair value, and $20 million in cash and other assets.
Speaker #5: Liabilities rose $20 million, quarter over quarter, to $445 million as of December 31st, with an increase in LOC borrowings to call and repay our $150 million of five and one-eighth notes due 2026, and our $57 million of seven and three-quarter notes previously due in 2028.
Speaker #5: And to fund our net originations. The remaining balance of our liabilities consists primarily of $149.5 million of five and seven-eighths convertible debt due 2030, $50 million of three and three-quarter and $29 million of six and a quarter notes due May 2027, perpetual preferred stock.
Catherine Gerkis: The remaining balance of our liabilities consists primarily of $149.5 million of 5 7/8 convertible debt due 2030, $50 million of 3 3/4 notes due May 2027, and $29 million of 6 1/4 perpetual preferred stock. As of 31 December, net assets declined $4.7 million to $477 million, and NAV per share declined from $21.34 to $21.13. Our gross leverage as of 31 December rose to 93.3% of net assets. Monthly distributions for February and March will be $0.15 per common share, which is an annual run rate of $1.80 per share. The board will meet in April to determine the monthly distributions to common stockholders for the following quarter. At the current distribution rate for our common stock and with the common stock price at about $20.44 per share yesterday, the distribution run rate is now producing a yield of about 8.8%.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: The remaining balance of our liabilities consists primarily of $149.5 million of 5 7/8 convertible debt due 2030, $50 million of 3 3/4 notes due May 2027, and $29 million of 6 1/4 perpetual preferred stock. As of 31 December, net assets declined $4.7 million to $477 million, and NAV per share declined from $21.34 to $21.13. Our gross leverage as of 31 December rose to 93.3% of net assets. Monthly distributions for February and March will be $0.15 per common share, which is an annual run rate of $1.80 per share. The board will meet in April to determine the monthly distributions to common stockholders for the following quarter. At the current distribution rate for our common stock and with the common stock price at about $20.44 per share yesterday, the distribution run rate is now producing a yield of about 8.8%.
Speaker #5: As of December 31st, net assets declined $4.7 million to $477 million, and NAV per share declined from $2134 to $2113. Our gross leverage as 93.3% of net assets.
Speaker #5: As of December 31st, net assets declined $4.7 million to $477 million, and NAV per share declined from $2,134 to $2,113. Our gross leverage as 93.3% of net at December 31st rose to 15 cents per common share, which is an annual run rate of $1.80 per share.
Speaker #5: The board will meet in April to to determine the monthly distributions to common stockholders for the following quarter. At the current distribution rate for our common stock and with the common stock price at about $20.44 per share yesterday, the distribution run rate is now producing a yield of about 8.8%.
Speaker #5: And now I will turn it back to David
Catherine Gerkis: Now I will turn it back to David to conclude.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Now I will turn it back to David to conclude.
Speaker #6: Well, thank you. the solid quarter for That was good. The summary and to deliver attractive net originations and growth with very healthy backlog of attractive growth-oriented lower middle market companies.
David Gladstone: Well, thank you. That was good. A summary and a solid quarter for Gladstone Capital again. The team for Glad continues to deliver attractive net originations and growth with a very healthy backlog of attractive growth-oriented lower middle market companies. The company has a strong balance sheet, ample bank lines, and capacity to grow our investment portfolio to deliver more dividends to our shareholders and delivery of net interest margins required to sustain the shareholders' dividends. And now we'll open the questions up, and operator, if you'll come on and tell us what to do.
David Gladstone: Well, thank you. That was good. A summary and a solid quarter for Gladstone Capital again. The team for Glad continues to deliver attractive net originations and growth with a very healthy backlog of attractive growth-oriented lower middle market companies. The company has a strong balance sheet, ample bank lines, and capacity to grow our investment portfolio to deliver more dividends to our shareholders and delivery of net interest margins required to sustain the shareholders' dividends. And now we'll open the questions up, and operator, if you'll come on and tell us what to do.
Speaker #6: The The team for Glad continues company has strong balance sheets, ample bank lines, and capacity to grow our investment portfolio to deliver more dividends to our shareholders.
Speaker #6: And delivery of net interest margins required to sustain the shareholders' dividends. And now we'll open the questions up and operator, if you'll come on and tell us what to do.
Operator: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants choosing speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Please proceed.
Operator: Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants choosing speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Erik Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Please proceed.
Speaker #7: to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue.
Speaker #7: And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets.
Speaker #7: Please proceed.
Erik Zwick: All right. Thank you. Good morning. I apologize in advance for any background noise. I'm traveling today, but wanted to start with a question. During the prepared remarks, you mentioned, you know, increasing the usage of the revolver due to the floating rate, you know, kind of function there. Curious if you could just talk a little bit on the loans, to what extent you use floors and how many of those are at their floors now, just kind of given the, you know, the SOFR curve would indicate that the market's expecting some more reductions in the base rates.
Erik Zwick: All right. Thank you. Good morning. I apologize in advance for any background noise. I'm traveling today, but wanted to start with a question. During the prepared remarks, you mentioned, you know, increasing the usage of the revolver due to the floating rate, you know, kind of function there. Curious if you could just talk a little bit on the loans, to what extent you use floors and how many of those are at their floors now, just kind of given the, you know, the SOFR curve would indicate that the market's expecting some more reductions in the base rates.
Speaker #8: thank you. Good morning. apologize in advance for any background noise. I'm, I'm traveling today. But wanted to, start with a, a question, during the prepared remarks you mentioned, you know, increasing the usage of the, the revolver, due to the, the floating rate, you know, kind of function there.
Speaker #8: Curious if you could just talk a little bit on, on the loans to what extent you use, floors and how many of those are, are at their floors now, just kind of given the, you know, the sofa curve would, would indicate that the market's expecting some, some more reductions in, in the, in the base rates.
Speaker #5: Yeah. The more the majority of our have floors, we're not obviously at those floors yet. So as interest rates decline, our interest income will decline.
Catherine Gerkis: Yeah. The majority of our variable rate loans do have floors. We're not obviously at those floors yet. So as interest rates decline, our interest income will decline. That's part of the reason why, as for our strategy right now, we do intend to rely on our floating rate debt somewhat more.
Catherine Gerkis: Yeah. The majority of our variable rate loans do have floors. We're not obviously at those floors yet. So as interest rates decline, our interest income will decline. That's part of the reason why, as for our strategy right now, we do intend to rely on our floating rate debt somewhat more.
Speaker #5: That's part of variable re-rate; loans do, strategy right now. We do intend to rely on our floating rate debt somewhat more.
Speaker #8: And, and Eric, one way to think about this is, I, I think we were very direct that we're not experiencing much in the way of spread compression.
Bob Marcotte: Eric, one way to think about this is, I think we were very direct that we're not experiencing much in the way of spread compression last quarter, so competition is not driving it. And if you look at the big picture, based upon, you know, our average margin, our bank spread, and our marginal fees and costs, our general feeling is we can absorb most of the decrease and still be able to sustain the underlying dividend as we did this quarter. The other thing that's happening is last year we ran very high commitment fees. We were very low in our utilization of lines. And if you compare the roughly $2.6 million of line commitment fees we paid last year, we're currently at a run rate that's closer to $1 million.
Bob Marcotte: Eric, one way to think about this is, I think we were very direct that we're not experiencing much in the way of spread compression last quarter, so competition is not driving it. And if you look at the big picture, based upon, you know, our average margin, our bank spread, and our marginal fees and costs, our general feeling is we can absorb most of the decrease and still be able to sustain the underlying dividend as we did this quarter. The other thing that's happening is last year we ran very high commitment fees. We were very low in our utilization of lines. And if you compare the roughly $2.6 million of line commitment fees we paid last year, we're currently at a run rate that's closer to $1 million.
Speaker #8: Last quarter, so competition is not driving it. And if you look at the big picture, based upon our average margin, our bank spread, and our marginal fees and costs, our general feeling is we can absorb most of the decrease and still be able to sustain the underlying dividend as we did this quarter.
Speaker #8: The other thing that's happening is, last year we ran very high commitment fees. We were very low in our utilization of lines.
Speaker #8: And if you compare the roughly $2.6 million of line commitment fees we paid last year, we're currently at a run rate that's closer to $1 million.
Speaker #8: So there's about a million and a half dollars, almost a million six, of savings that we will see from increasing the utilization of our line fees.
Bob Marcotte: So there's about $1.5 million, almost $1.6 million, of savings that we will see from increasing the utilization of our line fees. So we, we have a number of things that we are working to try to mitigate what might be, the headwinds of the lower rates if that were to, to evolve.
Bob Marcotte: So there's about $1.5 million, almost $1.6 million, of savings that we will see from increasing the utilization of our line fees. So we, we have a number of things that we are working to try to mitigate what might be, the headwinds of the lower rates if that were to, to evolve.
Speaker #8: So we, we have a number of things that we are working to try to mitigate what might be the headwinds of the lower rates, if that were to, to evolve.
Speaker #8: No, that's very helpful. Thank you. and next one for me, just looking at the investment in, in IMX power holdings, just curious if you were, you know, seeing in your origination funnel more, opportunities for AI and data center-related opportunities and just, just how you kind of view this trend, you know, if it, it's likely a, a longer-term trend or if you're watching it more cautiously.
Erik Zwick: That was very helpful. Thank you. Next one for me, just looking at the investment in IMX Power Holdings, just curious if you are, you know, seeing in your origination funnel more opportunities for AI and data center-related opportunities and just how you kind of view this trend, you know, if it's likely a longer-term trend or if you're watching it more cautiously. Just curious on your take there.
Erik Zwick: That was very helpful. Thank you. Next one for me, just looking at the investment in IMX Power Holdings, just curious if you are, you know, seeing in your origination funnel more opportunities for AI and data center-related opportunities and just how you kind of view this trend, you know, if it's likely a longer-term trend or if you're watching it more cautiously. Just curious on your take there.
Speaker #8: Just curious on your, your take
Speaker #8: Just curious on your, your take there. w-we don't
Bob Marcotte: We don't directly invest in data centers. That's a big boys' game. What was Google's announcement today? $180 billion or whatever the number was. We used to do that, but that's not really something that we see in the lower middle market. We do see some of the spend from those projects coming through in our portfolio. It might be, you know, bus bars that are going into data centers that, frankly, IMX does make. And, you know, certainly, there are construction or HVAC or air handling services that might come through to some of those segments. We are very cautious about the sustainability. There's an awful lot of folks jumping into that market. And we are watching the reliance on that end of the market as we think about the play.
Bob Marcotte: We don't directly invest in data centers. That's a big boys' game. What was Google's announcement today? $180 billion or whatever the number was. We used to do that, but that's not really something that we see in the lower middle market. We do see some of the spend from those projects coming through in our portfolio. It might be, you know, bus bars that are going into data centers that, frankly, IMX does make. And, you know, certainly, there are construction or HVAC or air handling services that might come through to some of those segments. We are very cautious about the sustainability. There's an awful lot of folks jumping into that market. And we are watching the reliance on that end of the market as we think about the play.
Speaker #6: directly invest in data centers, that's a big boys' game, what was Google's announcement today, 180 billion or whatever the number was. we used to do that, but that's not really something that we see in the lower middle market.
Speaker #6: We do see some of the spend from those projects coming through in our portfolio. It might be, you know, bus bars that are going into data centers that, frankly, IMX does make.
Speaker #6: and, you know, certainly there are construction or HVAC or air handling services that might come through to some of those segments. we, we are very cautious about the sustainability; there's an awful lot of, of folks jumping into that market.
Speaker #6: and we are watching the, the reliance on that end of the market as we think about, the play. But, we are not directly investing in what I would say is a, you know, significant reliance on the continuation of that investment spend.
Bob Marcotte: But, we are not directly investing in what I would say is a, you know, significant reliance on the continuation of that investment spend. That's just not where our companies particularly play.
Bob Marcotte: But, we are not directly investing in what I would say is a, you know, significant reliance on the continuation of that investment spend. That's just not where our companies particularly play.
Speaker #6: That's just not where our company's particularly
Speaker #6: play. Got it.
Speaker #6: play. Got it.
Erik Zwick: Got it. Thank you. And last one for me. You noted the increase in PIK. You know, it's kind of gone up over the past couple quarters. Could you just kind of generally talk about what's driving that? Is it certain companies that performance has slowed a little bit, or are they just looking for some cash flow flexibility for investment opportunities? Wondering if you could just talk a little bit about that.
Erik Zwick: Got it. Thank you. And last one for me. You noted the increase in PIK. You know, it's kind of gone up over the past couple quarters. Could you just kind of generally talk about what's driving that? Is it certain companies that performance has slowed a little bit, or are they just looking for some cash flow flexibility for investment opportunities? Wondering if you could just talk a little bit about that.
Speaker #8: last one for me, you noted the increase in, in Thank you. And, and PIC, you know, it's kind of going up over the past couple quarters.
Speaker #8: Could you just kind of generally talk about what's, what's driving that? Is it, certain companies that performance has, has slowed a little bit or are they just looking for some cash flow flexibility for in, in investment opportunities?
Speaker #8: Wondering if you could just, talk a little bit about that.
Speaker #6: there's a couple of credits that are in that category. one, which is undergoing a, a, a of the underlying business and the working capital consumption.
Bob Marcotte: There's a couple of credits that are in that category. One, which is undergoing a more systematic or scaling up of the underlying business and the working capital consumption that is behind that growth is stressing the free cash flows. And given the underlying business performance, we provided them the flexibility in the case of PIK. Obviously, we are closely monitoring the EBITDA and the enterprise value as we increase our exposure to that situation, and feel that we are more than adequately covered. In a second one, the company is in the process of liquidating a portion of their underlying business that has been underperforming, and the proceeds are more than ample to cover some of the accumulation of that PIK exposure.
Bob Marcotte: There's a couple of credits that are in that category. One, which is undergoing a more systematic or scaling up of the underlying business and the working capital consumption that is behind that growth is stressing the free cash flows. And given the underlying business performance, we provided them the flexibility in the case of PIK. Obviously, we are closely monitoring the EBITDA and the enterprise value as we increase our exposure to that situation, and feel that we are more than adequately covered. In a second one, the company is in the process of liquidating a portion of their underlying business that has been underperforming, and the proceeds are more than ample to cover some of the accumulation of that PIK exposure.
Speaker #6: That is, behind that, growth is, is stressing, the free cash flows and given the underlying business performance, we provided them the flexibility in the case of, of PIC.
Speaker #6: obviously, we, we are closely monitoring, the EBITDA and the enterprise value as we increase our exposure to that situation. and, and feel that we are more than adequately covered.
Speaker #6: In a, in a second process of liquidating a portion of their underlying business that has been underperforming. And the proceeds are more than ample to cover some of the accumulation of that PIC exposure.
Speaker #6: And we expect that company to, to be in a position to deleverage as it un-unloads a portion of its investment activities. So, it's, it's a case-by-case basis, we focus on what's the right move for the business and what's the what's the terminal exit, for, getting out from underneath, that, that PIC exposure that we focus on.
Bob Marcotte: We expect that company to be in a position to deleverage as it unloads a portion of its investment activities. So, it's a case-by-case basis. We focus on what's the right move for the business and what's the terminal exit for getting out from underneath that PIK exposure that we focus on. And those two credits are by far the dominant portion of what's there. As you will note, we did exit a deal last quarter where we did have some accumulated PIK, and we recouped it. So our strategy of working with our credits and getting that money back and getting them cash paying is obviously a consistent part of how we work with our credits.
Bob Marcotte: We expect that company to be in a position to deleverage as it unloads a portion of its investment activities. So, it's a case-by-case basis. We focus on what's the right move for the business and what's the terminal exit for getting out from underneath that PIK exposure that we focus on. And those two credits are by far the dominant portion of what's there. As you will note, we did exit a deal last quarter where we did have some accumulated PIK, and we recouped it. So our strategy of working with our credits and getting that money back and getting them cash paying is obviously a consistent part of how we work with our credits.
Speaker #6: And those two credits are, by far, the dominant portion of what's there. As you will note, we did exit, a, a, a deal last quarter where we did have some accumulated PIC and we recouped it.
Speaker #6: So our strategy of working with our, our credits and getting that money back and getting them cash paying is, is obviously a consistent part of how we work with our
Speaker #6: So our strategy of working with our, our credits and getting that money back and getting them cash paying is, is obviously a consistent part of how we work with our credits.
Speaker #8: Got it. Thank you for taking my questions today.
Erik Zwick: Good. Thank you for taking my questions today.
Erik Zwick: Good. Thank you for taking my questions today.
Speaker #9: Next question.
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): Next question.
Bob Marcotte: Next question.
Operator: Our next question is from Christopher Dolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed.
Operator: Our next question is from Christopher Dolan with Ladenburg Thalmann. Please proceed.
Speaker #10: Dolan with Lattenberg Thoman. Please, question is from Christopher.
Speaker #10: proceed.
Speaker #11: Hi. Thanks for taking, taking my
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Why did the diluted share count change quarter over quarter so much?
Christopher Dolan: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. Why did the diluted share count change quarter over quarter so much?
Speaker #11: question. why was change quarter over quarter so much? the cha why did they dilute share count
Speaker #12: So part of that is, you do the calculation in the initial period. So, the only thing—that's because, just the accounting requirement for how impacting our diluted shares is the convertible debt.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: So part of that is because, just the accounting requirement for how you do the calculation in the initial period. So the only thing that's impacting our diluted shares is the convertible debt. So, we do a calculation to show on the if-converted method, you know, what it would be. But that's really the only factor coming into play there.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: So part of that is because, just the accounting requirement for how you do the calculation in the initial period. So the only thing that's impacting our diluted shares is the convertible debt. So, we do a calculation to show on the if-converted method, you know, what it would be. But that's really the only factor coming into play there.
Speaker #12: So, we do a calculation to show on the if converted method, you know, what it would be. But that's really the only factor coming into play
Speaker #12: there. Okay.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Okay. So that's gonna be just continuing, issue not an issue, but just that increased dilution share counts is gonna be sustained as long as the convertible debt's around?
Christopher Dolan: Okay. So that's gonna be just continuing, issue not an issue, but just that increased dilution share counts is gonna be sustained as long as the convertible debt's around?
Speaker #11: So that's gonna be just, continuing, issue not an issue, but just, that increased dilution share counts is gonna sustain as long as the convertible debt's
Nicole Schaltenbrand: That's correct. Yes.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: That's correct. Yes.
Speaker #12: Yes.
Speaker #13: And That's correct.
Speaker #13: the conversion price.
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): The conversion price?
Christopher Dolan: The conversion price?
Speaker #12: And the conversion price will only change if we do additional supplemental distributions. That change we expect to be very, very inconsequential,
Nicole Schaltenbrand: And the conversion price will only change if we do additional supplemental distributions. That change, we expect to be very, very inconsequential, though.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: And the conversion price will only change if we do additional supplemental distributions. That change, we expect to be very, very inconsequential, though.
Speaker #12: though.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Great. And that issue.
Christopher Dolan: Great. And that issue.
Speaker #6: And, Great. around?
Speaker #6: And that issue. That issue. And, I guess.
Bob Marcotte: I guess.
Bob Marcotte: I guess.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): That issue can be settled with cash or stock, as the case may be. So it's, there's a lot of flexibility. It's a, you know, more of a disclosure requirement, frankly, than a practical expectation that we would ever issue that amount of shares.
Bob Marcotte: That issue can be settled with cash or stock, as the case may be. So it's, there's a lot of flexibility. It's a, you know, more of a disclosure requirement, frankly, than a practical expectation that we would ever issue that amount of shares.
Speaker #11: Can be settled with cash or stock as the case may be. So it's there's a lot of flexibility. It's, it's a, you know, more of a disclosure requirement, frankly, than a practical expectation that we would ever issue
Speaker #11: that amount of shares. That's exactly
Nicole Schaltenbrand: That's exactly right.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: That's exactly right.
Speaker #12: right.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Okay. Just a more broad and more strategic question. Have you guys, given that you're sort of co-located near Washington, D.C., have you heard anything in terms of updates for the regulatory structures affecting BDCs, specifically the AFFE rule, any sort of consideration of altering that?
Christopher Dolan: Okay. Just a more broad and more strategic question. Have you guys, given that you're sort of co-located near Washington, D.C., have you heard anything in terms of updates for the regulatory structures affecting BDCs, specifically the AFFE rule, any sort of consideration of altering that?
Speaker #11: Just a more broad and more—okay, strategic question. Have you guys, given that you're sort of co-located near Washington, DC, have you heard anything in terms of updates for the regulatory structures affecting BDCs, specifically the AFFE rule?
Speaker #11: Any sort of consideration of altering that?
Speaker #13: AFFE has been under discussion for, what, 7 or 10 years now. you know, obviously, there's a general relaxation in the in the market. but I don't think there's anything particularly concrete.
Bob Marcotte: AFFE has been under discussion for, what, 7 or 10 years now. You know, obviously, there's a general relaxation in the market. But I don't think there's anything particularly concrete. And frankly, I think it's a two-stage process. Even if it were relieved, it doesn't mean that it's going to very quickly change the way the indexes or underlying calculations. So it would take probably a number of years to roll out whatever might come. So we've been of the view that it will take us several years before something were to become effective. So, frankly, not counting on that as much as we would like it to improve the liquidity in our shares and expansion of our investor base. I don't think we're operating on the presumption that's a short-term issue.
Bob Marcotte: AFFE has been under discussion for, what, 7 or 10 years now. You know, obviously, there's a general relaxation in the market. But I don't think there's anything particularly concrete. And frankly, I think it's a two-stage process. Even if it were relieved, it doesn't mean that it's going to very quickly change the way the indexes or underlying calculations. So it would take probably a number of years to roll out whatever might come. So we've been of the view that it will take us several years before something were to become effective. So, frankly, not counting on that as much as we would like it to improve the liquidity in our shares and expansion of our investor base. I don't think we're operating on the presumption that's a short-term issue.
Speaker #13: And frankly, I think it's a two-stage project process. Even if it were relieved, it doesn't mean that it's going to, very quickly change the way the indexes are underlying calculations.
Speaker #13: So it would take probably a number of years to roll out whatever might come. So even of the view that, it will it will take us several years before something were to become effective, so, frankly, not counting on that.
Speaker #13: As much as we would like it to improve the liquidity in our shares and, and expansion of our investor base, I don't think we, were operating on the presumption that's a short-term
Speaker #13: issue. Great.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Great. Thanks for the call, Robert.
Christopher Dolan: Great.Thanks for the call, Robert.
Speaker #11: thanks for the color, Bob.
Speaker #9: Next question.
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): Next question.
Bob Marcotte: Next question.
Operator: Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed.
Operator: Our next question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed.
Speaker #10: question is from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed.
Speaker #14: hi, everyone, and, congrats on, on the quarter. Bob, on, on the, the, the discussion of the pipeline in a sense, obviously, c-quite positive for this quarter.
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Hi, everyone. Congrats on the quarter. But on the discussion of the pipeline, and it sounds, obviously, quite positive for this quarter, and you said, you know, activity surprising. How much is any of that actually, you know, kind of spillover from Q4, or are these deals that kind of came to you in with January launches, so to speak, with the expectation they'd always be a March quarter deal? And then the kind of second part to that question, sorry, Robert, is what are you seeing in the very early stage? Do you expect activity to remain robust kind of through the middle or whole year, or is this just kind of a surprising bump in the March quarter?
Robert Dodd: Hi, everyone. Congrats on the quarter. But on the discussion of the pipeline, and it sounds, obviously, quite positive for this quarter, and you said, you know, activity surprising. How much is any of that actually, you know, kind of spillover from Q4, or are these deals that kind of came to you in with January launches, so to speak, with the expectation they'd always be a March quarter deal? And then the kind of second part to that question, sorry, Robert, is what are you seeing in the very early stage? Do you expect activity to remain robust kind of through the middle or whole year, or is this just kind of a surprising bump in the March quarter?
Speaker #14: and you said, you know, activity surprising. how is, is any of that actually, you know, kind of spillover from Q4, or are these deals that kind of came to you in, in, in with, with January launches so to speak or with the expectation they'd always be a, a March quarter deal?
Speaker #14: and then that kind of the second part to that question, sorry, Ronald, is what do you see in the in the very early stage?
Speaker #14: I mean, do you expect activity to remain robust kind of through the, the, the middle or, or, or whole year, or is this just kind of a, a surprising bump in the March quarter?
Speaker #13: Good question, Robert. yeah, there's definitely a few of those deals that, spilled over. I would generally say in today's marketplace, given you know, volatility you know, trade flows, tariffs, I think, most of the private equity that we're working with is pretty, you know, pretty vigilant on diligence.
Bob Marcotte: Good question, Robert. Yeah, there's definitely a few of those deals that spilled over. I would generally say, in today's marketplace, given you know volatility, you know, trade flows, tariffs, I think most of the private equity that we're working with is pretty, you know, pretty vigilant on diligence. And diligence periods can take time. You know, some of the transactions we're working on, you know, have been in the works for probably three quarters now. So, there's definitely probably half of that spillover are transactions that folks are doing multiple rounds of quality of earnings and reviews of those businesses before they're actually pulling the trigger and, and executing on that. I, I would say that, you know, obviously, the general trend downward trend in rates combined with, you know, better clarity in terms of certain industries is, is a positive.
Bob Marcotte: Good question, Robert. Yeah, there's definitely a few of those deals that spilled over. I would generally say, in today's marketplace, given you know volatility, you know, trade flows, tariffs, I think most of the private equity that we're working with is pretty, you know, pretty vigilant on diligence. And diligence periods can take time. You know, some of the transactions we're working on, you know, have been in the works for probably three quarters now. So, there's definitely probably half of that spillover are transactions that folks are doing multiple rounds of quality of earnings and reviews of those businesses before they're actually pulling the trigger and, and executing on that. I, I would say that, you know, obviously, the general trend downward trend in rates combined with, you know, better clarity in terms of certain industries is, is a positive.
Speaker #13: And diligence periods can take time. You know, some of the transactions we're working on, you know, have been in the works for probably three quarters now.
Speaker #13: So, there's definitely probably half of that spillover, our transactions, that, folks are doing multiple rounds of quality of earnings and reviews of those businesses.
Speaker #13: Before they're actually pulling the trigger and, and executing on that. I, I would say that, you know, obviously, the general trend downward trend in rates, combined with, you know, better clarity in terms of certain industries, is, is a positive.
Speaker #13: I mean, for example, you know, it just takes a while for, things like defense contractor, min you know, precision manufacturing businesses to, see the see the pipeline activity, understand where the long-term trends are, to acquire, you know, the machinery to, support, some of those programs.
Bob Marcotte: I mean, for example, you know, it just takes a while for things like defense contractor, you know, precision manufacturing businesses to see the pipeline activity, understand where the long-term trends are, to acquire, you know, the machinery to support some of those programs. So a number of our businesses at the moment are in that category of, you know, strong domestic growth, precision manufacturing, reshoring, you know, production capabilities, and are now getting around to the point of either acquiring businesses to achieve those objectives or investing in their own assets to expand. So I would say carryover is meaningful, but there's a consistent build of domestic manufacturing for some of these, you know, private equity-owned businesses to capitalize on the reshoring trend that started last year.
Bob Marcotte: I mean, for example, you know, it just takes a while for things like defense contractor, you know, precision manufacturing businesses to see the pipeline activity, understand where the long-term trends are, to acquire, you know, the machinery to support some of those programs. So a number of our businesses at the moment are in that category of, you know, strong domestic growth, precision manufacturing, reshoring, you know, production capabilities, and are now getting around to the point of either acquiring businesses to achieve those objectives or investing in their own assets to expand. So I would say carryover is meaningful, but there's a consistent build of domestic manufacturing for some of these, you know, private equity-owned businesses to capitalize on the reshoring trend that started last year.
Speaker #13: So, a number of our businesses at, at the moment are in that category of, you know, strong domestic growth, precision manufacturing, reshoring, you know, production capabilities.
Speaker #13: And are now getting around to the point of either acquiring businesses to achieve those objectives or investing in their own assets to, to expand.
Speaker #13: So, I would say carryover is meaningful, but there's a consistent build of domestic manufacturing for some of these, you know, private-equity-owned businesses to the reshoring trend that started last year.
Speaker #14: Got it. Got
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Got it. Got it. I thank you for that, Carla. One kind of so-so-related, I think one of the issues you pointed out to for the unrealized depreciation, what there was of it, was shutdown impact. And obviously, you've historically had, you know, been, you know, done a fair amount of work with, you know, businesses that work for the federal government or do work for the federal government, at least. Has your appetite for that kind of business softened? I mean, you know, this, you know, the number of government shutdowns is obviously up versus historic norms over the last couple years, and it, you know, have necessarily great confidence that we won't continue to see sporadic shutdowns at a greater cadence than we've seen in the past.
Robert Dodd: Got it. Got it. I thank you for that, Carla. One kind of so-so-related, I think one of the issues you pointed out to for the unrealized depreciation, what there was of it, was shutdown impact. And obviously, you've historically had, you know, been, you know, done a fair amount of work with, you know, businesses that work for the federal government or do work for the federal government, at least. Has your appetite for that kind of business softened? I mean, you know, this, you know, the number of government shutdowns is obviously up versus historic norms over the last couple years, and it, you know, have necessarily great confidence that we won't continue to see sporadic shutdowns at a greater cadence than we've seen in the past.
Speaker #14: it. I, I, I thank you for that color. capitalize on, one kind of sort, sort of related. I think one of the, the issues you, you pointed out too for, for the unrealized depreciation.
Speaker #14: What there was of it was, with shutdown impact. And obviously, you've historically had, you know, been, you know, done a, a fair amount of work with, with, you know, businesses that, that work for the federal government or do work for the federal government, at least.
Speaker #14: Has your appetite for that kind of business softened? I mean, you know, th-this, you know, the number of government shutdowns is, is obviously up versus, you know, historic norms over the last couple of years.
Speaker #14: And it, you know, I don't have necessarily great confidence that we won't continue to see sporadic shutdowns at a—so, do you see that kind of greater cadence than we've seen in the past?
[Analyst] (Raymond James): So, is that kind of segment as appealing to you as it has been in the past, given those kind of risks?
Robert Dodd: So, is that kind of segment as appealing to you as it has been in the past, given those kind of risks?
Speaker #14: segment as appealing to you as it has been in the past, given those kind of
Speaker #14: risks? Robert, the
Bob Marcotte: Robert, the situation that I referenced that shutdown was implicated or impacted was a very unique circumstance.
Bob Marcotte: Robert, the situation that I referenced that shutdown was implicated or impacted was a very unique circumstance.
Speaker #13: situation that I, I referenced that shutdown was impac implicated or, impacted, was a very unique circumstance. Generally speaking, we
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Okay.
Robert Dodd: Okay.
Bob Marcotte: Generally speaking, we don't do government contractors. I mean, you know, they're manufacturing stuff on long-term munitions or aircraft or platforms, and there's better visibility. Short-term government services is not a core focus for the business. That said, we do have a company in the portfolio that actually, believe it or not, does dredging activity that works for the Army Corps of Engineers. That is general recurring maintenance, maintaining, you know, ports and clearances for, you know, vessels. And the fact of the matter was, there was a interruption or disruption in the Army Corps contracting for general maintenance services. And it caused a bit of a hole. Now, that has already been corrected. And believe it or not, obviously, whatever buildup and whatever dredging activity is going to have to be caught up down the road if it wasn't done last quarter.
Bob Marcotte: Generally speaking, we don't do government contractors. I mean, you know, they're manufacturing stuff on long-term munitions or aircraft or platforms, and there's better visibility. Short-term government services is not a core focus for the business. That said, we do have a company in the portfolio that actually, believe it or not, does dredging activity that works for the Army Corps of Engineers. That is general recurring maintenance, maintaining, you know, ports and clearances for, you know, vessels. And the fact of the matter was, there was a interruption or disruption in the Army Corps contracting for general maintenance services. And it caused a bit of a hole. Now, that has already been corrected. And believe it or not, obviously, whatever buildup and whatever dredging activity is going to have to be caught up down the road if it wasn't done last quarter.
Speaker #13: Don't do government, okay. Contractors, I mean, you know, they're manufacturing stuff on long-term—munitions or aircraft or platforms. And there's better visibility. Short-term government services is not a core focus for the business.
Speaker #13: That said, we do have a company in the portfolio that, actually, believe it or not, does dredging activity; that works for the Army Corps of Engineers. That is general recurring maintenance—maintaining, you know, ports and clearances for, you know, vessels.
Speaker #13: And the fact of the matter was there was a, a interruption or disruption in the Army Corps contracting for general maintenance services. And it, caused a bit of a hole now.
Speaker #13: That has already been corrected. And, believe it or not, obviously, whatever builds up and whatever dredging activity is going to have to be caught up down the road if it wasn't done last quarter.
Speaker #13: So that business is not need to be maintained on a go-forward basis. It just happened in one quarter they stopped spending. that is not the usual and that is not the norm for our business.
Bob Marcotte: So that business is not permanently impacted, and it will need to be maintained on a go-forward basis. It just happened in one quarter, they stopped spending. That is not the usual, and that is not the norm for our business. And I don't think that that's a permanent impairment of this company in any way, shape, or form.
Bob Marcotte: So that business is not permanently impacted, and it will need to be maintained on a go-forward basis. It just happened in one quarter, they stopped spending. That is not the usual, and that is not the norm for our business. And I don't think that that's a permanent impairment of this company in any way, shape, or form.
Speaker #13: And I don't think that that's a permanent impairment of this company in any way, shape, or
Speaker #13: form. Got it.
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Got it. Thank you. One last one, if I can. I mean, you know, EGs saw some more stress in the equity piece of that, which is pretty small. But can you give us any color on is that still going through the transition? And you mentioned one of the businesses has additional management transitions. I don't know if that's EGs again, but you know, how's the work out on that progressing? I mean, just because the equity went down doesn't mean it's not on track. But you know, any color there?
Robert Dodd: Got it. Thank you. One last one, if I can. I mean, you know, EGs saw some more stress in the equity piece of that, which is pretty small. But can you give us any color on is that still going through the transition? And you mentioned one of the businesses has additional management transitions. I don't know if that's EGs again, but you know, how's the work out on that progressing? I mean, just because the equity went down doesn't mean it's not on track. But you know, any color there?
Speaker #14: Thank you. One, one last one if I can. I mean, you know, EG saw some more stress in the equity piece of that, which is pretty small.
Speaker #14: But can you give us any color on—is that still going through the transition? And you mentioned one of the businesses has additional management transitions.
Speaker #14: I don't know if that's EG's again. but, you know, how's, how's the, the workout on that progressing? I mean, just because the equity went down doesn't mean it's not on track.
Speaker #14: But, you know, any, any color
Speaker #14: there? I think
Bob Marcotte: I think there's a combination of factors on that one. Obviously, if you were to research it, you'll figure out that it's a Arizona-based company. So it tends to be seasonal, and selling quick service and selling frozen drinks is not a big thing in the winter. So you tend to have weak.
Bob Marcotte: I think there's a combination of factors on that one. Obviously, if you were to research it, you'll figure out that it's a Arizona-based company. So it tends to be seasonal, and selling quick service and selling frozen drinks is not a big thing in the winter. So you tend to have weak.
Speaker #13: there's a, a combination of factors on that one. you were to research it, you'll figure out that obviously, if it's a, a Arizona-based company.
Speaker #13: So it tends to be seasonal. And selling, quick, quick service and, and selling, frozen drinks, is not a big thing in the winter. So you tend to have weak quarters, the other thing that I will I will note, and this may be indicative of, of other credits out there, things that are in border states or haven't heavily Hispanic areas are facing significant downdrafts associated with elevated ice activities.
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Weak quarters.
Bob Marcotte: Weak quarters.
Bob Marcotte: Quarters. The other thing that I will note, and this may be indicative of other credits out there, things that are in border states or even heavily Hispanic areas are facing significant downdraft associated with elevated ice activities.
Bob Marcotte: Quarters. The other thing that I will note, and this may be indicative of other credits out there, things that are in border states or even heavily Hispanic areas are facing significant downdraft associated with elevated ice activities.
Speaker #14: Mm-hmm.
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Uh-huh.
Bob Marcotte: Uh-huh.
Speaker #13: so population spend, you know, economic drivers are all being impacted. I would say, as much as we have confidence in the team and some of the, you know, challenges that are naturally associated with QSR-type businesses, they are moving forward.
Bob Marcotte: So population, spend, you know, economic drivers are all being impacted. I would say, as much as we have confidence in the team and some of the, you know, challenges that are naturally associated with QSR-type businesses, they are moving forward. They are evolving the business. There are some incremental headwinds that I don't think we expected early last year when we went through the restructuring and took that business over. Management is continuing to perform, but some of these headwinds were unanticipated. We are doing our best to accelerate the changes in cost structure in order to see our way through some of the incremental challenges. So it's still a work in process. The company has launched a new menu and some additional offerings, which we think are going to drive traffic in 2026. We will see as that evolves in the spring.
Bob Marcotte: So population, spend, you know, economic drivers are all being impacted. I would say, as much as we have confidence in the team and some of the, you know, challenges that are naturally associated with QSR-type businesses, they are moving forward. They are evolving the business. There are some incremental headwinds that I don't think we expected early last year when we went through the restructuring and took that business over. Management is continuing to perform, but some of these headwinds were unanticipated. We are doing our best to accelerate the changes in cost structure in order to see our way through some of the incremental challenges. So it's still a work in process. The company has launched a new menu and some additional offerings, which we think are going to drive traffic in 2026. We will see as that evolves in the spring.
Speaker #13: They are c evolving the business. There are some incremental headwinds, and I don't think we expected, early last year, when we went through the restructuring and took that business over.
Speaker #13: management is continuing to perform. But some of these headwinds were, were unanticipated, and we are doing our best to accelerate the changes in cost structure in order to, see our see our way through some of the incremental challenges.
Speaker #13: So it's still a work in process. the company has launched a new menu and, and some additional offerings, which we think are going to drive traffic in '26.
Speaker #13: And we will see as that evolves in the spring, but, you know, that's a little bit probably more than you wanted to hear about what's going on in that business.
Bob Marcotte: But, you know, that's a little bit probably more than you wanted to hear about what's going on in that business, but we're working it.
Bob Marcotte: But, you know, that's a little bit probably more than you wanted to hear about what's going on in that business, but we're working it.
Speaker #13: it.
Speaker #14: I always love the extra detail there. Thank
[Analyst] (Raymond James): I always love the extra detail there. Thank you.
Robert Dodd: I always love the extra detail there. Thank you.
Speaker #14: you.
Speaker #13: Okay. But we're working We have any other questions?
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): Okay. We have any other questions?
Bob Marcotte: Okay. We have any other questions?
Operator: Yes, we do. We have a question from Sean-Paul Adams with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.
Operator: Yes, we do. We have a question from Sean-Paul Adams with B. Riley Securities. Please proceed.
Speaker #2: question from Sean Paul Adams with B Riley Securities. Please Yes, we do. We have a proceed.
Speaker #15: Hey, hey, guys. tagging off Eric's question, do you currently have an estimate of remaining SOFR exposure and basis points before the majority of your embedded floors kick in?
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Hey, hey, guys. Tagging off Eric's question, do you currently have an estimate of remaining SOFR exposure and basis points before the majority of your embedded floors kick in? You talked about spreads not being a material impact for the quarter, so just trying to highlight the pure base rate exposure.
Sean-Paul Adams: Hey, hey, guys. Tagging off Eric's question, do you currently have an estimate of remaining SOFR exposure and basis points before the majority of your embedded floors kick in? You talked about spreads not being a material impact for the quarter, so just trying to highlight the pure base rate exposure.
Speaker #15: You talked about spreads not being a material impact for the quarter, so just trying to highlight the pure base rate
Speaker #15: exposure. I think our
Bob Marcotte: I think our average, what's our average floor? Probably 120?
Bob Marcotte: I think our average, what's our average floor? Probably 120?
Speaker #13: average what's our average floor? Probably 120.
Speaker #3: Yeah.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Yeah. Or 120. 120. Got it. Yeah.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Yeah. Or 120. 120. Got it. Yeah.
Speaker #13: Yeah.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Yeah. So, right now, what was average SOFR last quarter? 390?
Sean-Paul Adams: Yeah. So, right now, what was average SOFR last quarter? 390?
Speaker #13: So the right Around 125.
Speaker #13: now, what was average SOFR last Yeah.
Speaker #13: quarter? 390?
Speaker #3: Mm-hmm.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Nicole Schaltenbrand: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Speaker #13: Average SOFR last quarter was roughly, yeah, 3.90, so we're roughly running what is about 3.70 today. Average floor is probably about 1.25, so we've got some, you know, material move potentially on that.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): Average SOFR last quarter was roughly 390. So we're roughly running what is about 370 today. Average floor is probably about 125. So we've got some, you know, material move, potentially on that. You know, my comment before was, you know, if you eliminate, you know, if you just focus on what our average spread is, what our bank line spread is, and what our marginal management fee and costs are, you know, you, you net down to about a 250 ± spread, ignoring the underlying base rate. And if we were to close $150 million $100 million, that's $2.5 million of incremental net interest margin, which if you look at our rate sensitivity, if we I think it's back at the tail end of our, our Q. I think down 50 basis points, I think the sensitivity was about $2.4 million.
Bob Marcotte: Average SOFR last quarter was roughly 390. So we're roughly running what is about 370 today. Average floor is probably about 125. So we've got some, you know, material move, potentially on that. You know, my comment before was, you know, if you eliminate, you know, if you just focus on what our average spread is, what our bank line spread is, and what our marginal management fee and costs are, you know, you, you net down to about a 250 ± spread, ignoring the underlying base rate. And if we were to close $150 million $100 million, that's $2.5 million of incremental net interest margin, which if you look at our rate sensitivity, if we I think it's back at the tail end of our, our Q. I think down 50 basis points, I think the sensitivity was about $2.4 million.
Speaker #13: you know, my comment before was, you know, if you eliminate, you know, if you just focus on what our average spread is, what our bank line spread is, and what our marginal management fee and costs are, you know, you, you net down to about a 250-plus or minus spread, ignoring the underlying base rate, and if we were to close 150 million dollar or 100 million incremental net dollars, that's 2 and a half million of interest margin, which if you look at our rate sensitivity, if we, I think it's back in the tail end of our, our Q, I think down 50 basis points, I think the sensitivity was about 2.4 million.
Speaker #13: So we could more than offset the, the first 50 basis points as we get past that. We would need to dig into one fees, which are which are dis excluded from that calculation, or the, the additional, commitment fee savings that I referred to.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): So we could more than offset the first 50 basis points. As we get past that, we would need to dig into one fees, which are excluded from that calculation or the additional commitment fee savings that I referred to. So we're working through the challenges. We're down 100 basis points. That's a $5.3 million down on potential rate exposure, given our current portfolio. Frankly, that's about as far as we've been thinking and planning, given the current rate outlook. But we certainly are well positioned to absorb at least the first 50 and probably 75. Beyond that, we'd obviously take additional actions to support the dividend. And as you recognize, we obviously have some additional coverage based on the current economics of the portfolio.
Bob Marcotte: So we could more than offset the first 50 basis points. As we get past that, we would need to dig into one fees, which are excluded from that calculation or the additional commitment fee savings that I referred to. So we're working through the challenges. We're down 100 basis points. That's a $5.3 million down on potential rate exposure, given our current portfolio. Frankly, that's about as far as we've been thinking and planning, given the current rate outlook. But we certainly are well positioned to absorb at least the first 50 and probably 75. Beyond that, we'd obviously take additional actions to support the dividend. And as you recognize, we obviously have some additional coverage based on the current economics of the portfolio.
Speaker #13: So w-we're working through the, the challenges we're down 100 basis points. That's a 5.3 million dollar down on, on potential rate exposure given our current portfolio.
Speaker #13: Frankly, that's about as far as we've been thinking and planning given the current given current rate outlook. but we certainly are well-positioned to absorb at least the first 50 and probably 75.
Speaker #13: Beyond that, we'd obviously take this take additional action to, to, to support the dividend. and as you recognize, we obviously have some additional coverage based on the current economics of the portfolio.
[Analyst] (Ladenburg Thalmann): So I think we're monitoring that downward exposure and have a variety of levers that we're currently using to manage that, and support the dividend going forward. When we reset the dividend last, last quarter, we were looking out with, you know, some of these sensitivities in mind and feel pretty confident that we've got the coverage that we need for the near term. Got it. Really appreciate the, Carla. Thank you.
Bob Marcotte: So I think we're monitoring that downward exposure and have a variety of levers that we're currently using to manage that, and support the dividend going forward. When we reset the dividend last, last quarter, we were looking out with, you know, some of these sensitivities in mind and feel pretty confident that we've got the coverage that we need for the near term.
Speaker #13: monitoring that downward exposure and have a variety So, I think we're of levers that we're currently using to manage that. and support the dividend going forward.
Speaker #13: When we reset the dividend last, with, you know, some of these sensitivities in mind, we feel pretty confident that we've got the coverage that we need for the near term.
Speaker #13: when we reset the dividend last, with, you know, some of these sensitivities in mind and feel pretty confident that we've got the coverage that we need for the near
Speaker #15: Got it. Really appreciate the color. Thank you.
Sean-Paul Adams: Got it. Really appreciate the, Carla. Thank you.
Speaker #13: Okay. Do we have one more question?
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): Okay. Do we have one more question?
Bob Marcotte: Okay. Do we have one more question?
Speaker #2: There are no further questions at
Operator: There are no further questions at this time.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time.
Speaker #2: time. shucks.
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): Aw, shucks. We like questions, so there'll be more next time.
Bob Marcotte: Aw, shucks. We like questions, so there'll be more next time.
Speaker #13: We like questions, so. Maybe there'll be more next time. Thank you all. We're at the end of this meeting.
[Analyst] (Raymond James): Thank you all.
Sean-Paul Adams: Thank you all.
[Company Representative] (Gladstone Capital Corporation): We're at the end of this meeting.
Bob Marcotte: We're at the end of this meeting.
Operator: Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect at this time. Thank you for your participation.
Operator: Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect at this time. Thank you for your participation.
