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Operator: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Harley-Davidson 2025 Fourth Quarter Investor and Analyst Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Shawn Collins. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Operator: Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Harley-Davidson 2025 Fourth Quarter Investor and Analyst Conference Call. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Shawn Collins. Thank you. Please go ahead.
Speaker #1: Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Harley 2025 fourth Quarter Investor and Analyst Conference call . Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded .
Craig Kennison: Thank you. Good morning. This is Shawn Collins, the Director of Investor Relations at Harley-Davidson. You can access the slides supporting today's call on the internet at the Harley-Davidson Investor Relations website. As you might expect, our comments will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different. Those risks include, among others, matters we have noted in today's earnings release, and in our latest filings with the SEC. Joining me for this morning's call are Harley-Davidson Chief Executive Officer Artie Starrs and Chief Financial and Commercial Officer Jonathan Root. With that, let me turn it over to Harley-Davidson CEO Artie Starrs.
Shawn Collins: Thank you. Good morning. This is Shawn Collins, the Director of Investor Relations at Harley-Davidson. You can access the slides supporting today's call on the internet at the Harley-Davidson Investor Relations website. As you might expect, our comments will include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks that could cause actual results to be materially different. Those risks include, among others, matters we have noted in today's earnings release, and in our latest filings with the SEC. Joining me for this morning's call are Harley-Davidson Chief Executive Officer Artie Starrs and Chief Financial and Commercial Officer Jonathan Root. With that, let me turn it over to Harley-Davidson CEO Artie Starrs.
Speaker #1: I would now like to hand the conference over. Sean, thank you. Please go ahead.
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Artie Starrs: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our Q4 and full year 2025 results. Before we get into it, I'd like to thank our Harley-Davidson employees, the HD Dealer Network, and our riders that are listening in this morning. Thank you for all you do every day for the company, living and leading our brand and culture. This marks my first full quarter as CEO. I've spent this time focused on understanding the core of our business, our people, our dealers, our riders, and the realities of the marketplace. Through extensive time on the ground, I've confirmed many of the early observations I shared last quarter.
Artie Starrs: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for our Q4 and full year 2025 results. Before we get into it, I'd like to thank our Harley-Davidson employees, the HD Dealer Network, and our riders that are listening in this morning. Thank you for all you do every day for the company, living and leading our brand and culture. This marks my first full quarter as CEO. I've spent this time focused on understanding the core of our business, our people, our dealers, our riders, and the realities of the marketplace. Through extensive time on the ground, I've confirmed many of the early observations I shared last quarter.
Speaker #2: morning , everyone , and thank you for Good today joining us for our Q4 and full year 2025 results we get . Before into it , to thank our Harley I'd like employees HD , the dealer riders that are network and listening our in this morning .
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Artie Starrs: I'm confident there's a clear path to put Harley-Davidson back on the right trajectory, and I now have a sharper view of what it will take to reset the business and get to a more stable operating and financial future in 2026 and beyond. This morning, we will provide more detail on the themes you heard from us on our last call as we work towards our expected strategic plan announcement in May this year. Turning to our fourth quarter results, which we do not believe reflect the full potential of this company. 2025 was a challenging year. While some of the pressures we are facing are macro-driven, others are firmly within our control, and we are moving with urgency, focus, and discipline to address them.
Artie Starrs: I'm confident there's a clear path to put Harley-Davidson back on the right trajectory, and I now have a sharper view of what it will take to reset the business and get to a more stable operating and financial future in 2026 and beyond. This morning, we will provide more detail on the themes you heard from us on our last call as we work towards our expected strategic plan announcement in May this year. Turning to our fourth quarter results, which we do not believe reflect the full potential of this company. 2025 was a challenging year. While some of the pressures we are facing are macro-driven, others are firmly within our control, and we are moving with urgency, focus, and discipline to address them.
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Artie Starrs: Wholesale shipments and associated margins were negatively impacted by intentional actions to address elevated dealer inventory, particularly touring inventory in North America, through interventions on both the supply and demand sides. During the quarter, we reduced wholesale shipments and implemented targeted promotions to accelerate the return to balanced retail inventory levels. These actions are beginning to deliver results. Rider response has been positive, with North American retail sales growth in the quarter accelerating into December, yielding early indications of improving dealer profitability. We plan to continue these interventions with discipline as we work to optimize retail inventory, positioning the business and our dealer network for more sustainable performance going forward. That said, we're encouraged by the early green shoots we're seeing. Our immediate priorities are both straightforward and deliberate. First, we believe we are stabilizing the business by restoring dealer confidence and aligning wholesale activity with retail demand.
Artie Starrs: Wholesale shipments and associated margins were negatively impacted by intentional actions to address elevated dealer inventory, particularly touring inventory in North America, through interventions on both the supply and demand sides. During the quarter, we reduced wholesale shipments and implemented targeted promotions to accelerate the return to balanced retail inventory levels. These actions are beginning to deliver results. Rider response has been positive, with North American retail sales growth in the quarter accelerating into December, yielding early indications of improving dealer profitability. We plan to continue these interventions with discipline as we work to optimize retail inventory, positioning the business and our dealer network for more sustainable performance going forward. That said, we're encouraged by the early green shoots we're seeing. Our immediate priorities are both straightforward and deliberate. First, we believe we are stabilizing the business by restoring dealer confidence and aligning wholesale activity with retail demand.
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Speaker #2: That said , we're encouraged by the early greenshoots we're seeing immediate . priorities are both Our straightforward and deliberate . First , we believe we the are stabilizing business by dealer confidence and aligning wholesale activity with retail demand .
Artie Starrs: Second, we are finalizing a strategy that we believe builds a durable platform that leans into our core and positions Harley-Davidson to return to sustainable growth. Early in my tenure, I committed to three immediate priorities: improving dealer profitability, reigniting brand momentum, and reducing costs. These commitments have not changed. Today, I'll walk you through the immediate actions already underway to advance these priorities. These actions are in the following areas: restoring our relationship with dealers, improving inventory management, sharpening our customer focus with the right portfolio, leaning further into the strengths of our branded community, and enhancing financial flexibility. Let me start with our dealer network. Harley-Davidson's dealer network is best in class, distinguished by unmatched enthusiasm, reach, and strength. While the network remains a competitive advantage, dealer health today is uneven, with some dealers facing challenges.
Artie Starrs: Second, we are finalizing a strategy that we believe builds a durable platform that leans into our core and positions Harley-Davidson to return to sustainable growth. Early in my tenure, I committed to three immediate priorities: improving dealer profitability, reigniting brand momentum, and reducing costs. These commitments have not changed. Today, I'll walk you through the immediate actions already underway to advance these priorities. These actions are in the following areas: restoring our relationship with dealers, improving inventory management, sharpening our customer focus with the right portfolio, leaning further into the strengths of our branded community, and enhancing financial flexibility. Let me start with our dealer network. Harley-Davidson's dealer network is best in class, distinguished by unmatched enthusiasm, reach, and strength. While the network remains a competitive advantage, dealer health today is uneven, with some dealers facing challenges.
Speaker #2: Second, we are finalizing a believe builds a durable platform that leans into our core and positions Harley-Davidson to return to sustainable growth.
Speaker #2: Early in my tenure , I three immediate committed to priorities improving dealer profitability , reigniting brand momentum , and reducing costs . These commitments have changed not .
Speaker #2: Today, I'll walk you through the immediate actions already underway to advance these priorities. These actions are in the following areas: restoring our relationship with dealers.
Speaker #2: Improving inventory management. Sharpening our customer focus with the right portfolio. Leaning further into the strengths of our branded community. And enhancing financial flexibility.
Speaker #2: Let me start with our dealer network Harley-davidson's dealer network is best in class , distinguished by unmatched enthusiasm , reach and strength . While the network remains a competitive advantage , dealer health today is uneven , with some facing challenges .
Artie Starrs: Dealer health is not optional and is a critical foundation for our long-term growth and earnings power. We're resetting the relationship between the motor company and our dealers. That relationship must be built on mutual trust and respect, shared objectives, shared accountability, and shared success. Healthy inventory levels and a healthy dealer network are non-negotiable. Over the last couple of months, I continued a series of roundtable discussions with our North American and European dealers. Most recently, I spent time in our European markets, including attending the Verona Bike Expo and a HOG Chapter morning meeting. The insights from these engagements were consistent with my US visits: extraordinary passion for the Harley-Davidson brand and strong commitment to the business. Importantly, there is broad alignment around the changes required to drive sustainable growth going forward.
Artie Starrs: Dealer health is not optional and is a critical foundation for our long-term growth and earnings power. We're resetting the relationship between the motor company and our dealers. That relationship must be built on mutual trust and respect, shared objectives, shared accountability, and shared success. Healthy inventory levels and a healthy dealer network are non-negotiable. Over the last couple of months, I continued a series of roundtable discussions with our North American and European dealers. Most recently, I spent time in our European markets, including attending the Verona Bike Expo and a HOG Chapter morning meeting. The insights from these engagements were consistent with my US visits: extraordinary passion for the Harley-Davidson brand and strong commitment to the business. Importantly, there is broad alignment around the changes required to drive sustainable growth going forward.
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Speaker #2: Over the last couple of months , I continued a series of roundtable discussions with our North American and European dealers , most recently , I spent time at our European markets , including attending the Verona Bike Expo and a Hog chapter morning meeting .
Speaker #2: The insights from these engagements were consistent with my US visits . Extraordinary passion for the Harley-Davidson and brand strong commitment to the business .
Artie Starrs: These include healthier inventory levels, improved product mix, simpler and more effective rider engagement programs, and greater flexibility to reflect local market conditions. Drawing on my experience in franchise-based models, I know that sustained success depends on alignment, transparency, and disciplined execution. We're committed to reestablishing that foundation, beginning with immediate interventions that we expect to improve our dealers' retail performance and financial trajectory while accelerating trust across the network. As we mentioned in Q3, we've begun to act with two quick and meaningful changes to support our dealers. First, we reviewed our fuel facility model guidelines, adjusting the scope to better balance global brand identity with celebrating local communities. Second, we made a commitment to reevaluate e-commerce. The company's e-commerce strategy has not historically delivered the intended results. It has created customer confusion and driven excessive discounting, placing unnecessary pressure on dealer economics.
Artie Starrs: These include healthier inventory levels, improved product mix, simpler and more effective rider engagement programs, and greater flexibility to reflect local market conditions. Drawing on my experience in franchise-based models, I know that sustained success depends on alignment, transparency, and disciplined execution. We're committed to reestablishing that foundation, beginning with immediate interventions that we expect to improve our dealers' retail performance and financial trajectory while accelerating trust across the network. As we mentioned in Q3, we've begun to act with two quick and meaningful changes to support our dealers. First, we reviewed our fuel facility model guidelines, adjusting the scope to better balance global brand identity with celebrating local communities. Second, we made a commitment to reevaluate e-commerce. The company's e-commerce strategy has not historically delivered the intended results. It has created customer confusion and driven excessive discounting, placing unnecessary pressure on dealer economics.
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Artie Starrs: We've taken corrective action in North America by shifting to a model that is intended to drive incremental dealership traffic to support motorcycle sales. In the near term, our focus is clear: support our dealers, drive traffic to dealerships, and execute against our core business, selling motorcycles. While retail sales are still meaningfully below what we would consider a healthy run rate, the early progress is encouraging. We believe these actions are improving predictability and positioning the business for more consistent execution. Turning to inventory, on our Q3 earnings call, I was clear that inventory discipline and adapting to the realities of the current retail environment would be central to our focus. As we've dug deeper, it's become evident that the challenges are more significant than initially anticipated, and we're addressing them head-on.
Artie Starrs: We've taken corrective action in North America by shifting to a model that is intended to drive incremental dealership traffic to support motorcycle sales. In the near term, our focus is clear: support our dealers, drive traffic to dealerships, and execute against our core business, selling motorcycles. While retail sales are still meaningfully below what we would consider a healthy run rate, the early progress is encouraging. We believe these actions are improving predictability and positioning the business for more consistent execution. Turning to inventory, on our Q3 earnings call, I was clear that inventory discipline and adapting to the realities of the current retail environment would be central to our focus. As we've dug deeper, it's become evident that the challenges are more significant than initially anticipated, and we're addressing them head-on.
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Artie Starrs: We are aggressively addressing inventory through targeted promotional support for touring models and disciplined quarterly planning by model, region, and dealership. We believe this approach allows us to align inventory with sales trajectories, account for regional needs, and proactively manage production and shipments, accounting for seasonality. The touring overhang remains pronounced and is being actively worked down through disciplined interventions designed to move the product efficiently without undermining long-term brand value. In North America, dealer inventory declined 16% relative to year-end 2024 levels. Globally, dealer inventory was down 17% over the same period, meaningfully exceeding our 10% global reduction target. This represents solid progress against our priorities, and I'm pleased with the team's execution and delivery. Overall retail performance through the quarter was broadly in line with internal expectations. North American retail was up year-over-year, while international retail, particularly in EMEA, was softer than we expected.
Artie Starrs: We are aggressively addressing inventory through targeted promotional support for touring models and disciplined quarterly planning by model, region, and dealership. We believe this approach allows us to align inventory with sales trajectories, account for regional needs, and proactively manage production and shipments, accounting for seasonality. The touring overhang remains pronounced and is being actively worked down through disciplined interventions designed to move the product efficiently without undermining long-term brand value. In North America, dealer inventory declined 16% relative to year-end 2024 levels. Globally, dealer inventory was down 17% over the same period, meaningfully exceeding our 10% global reduction target. This represents solid progress against our priorities, and I'm pleased with the team's execution and delivery. Overall retail performance through the quarter was broadly in line with internal expectations. North American retail was up year-over-year, while international retail, particularly in EMEA, was softer than we expected.
Speaker #2: are addressing inventory through We aggressively targeted promotional support for touring models and disciplined quarterly planning by model , region and dealership . We believe this approach allows us to align inventory with sales trajectories , account for regional needs , and proactively manage production and shipments accounting for seasonality .
Speaker #2: The touring overhang remains pronounced and is being actively worked down through disciplined interventions designed to move the product efficiently without undermining long-term brand value.
Speaker #2: In North America , dealer inventory declined 16% relative to year end 2024 levels globally . Dealer inventory was down 17% over the same period , meaningfully exceeding our 10% global reduction target .
Speaker #2: This represents solid progress against our priorities , and I am pleased with the team's execution and delivery . Overall , retail performance through the quarter was broadly in line with internal expectations .
Artie Starrs: We expect the actions we are taking to assist dealers in moving through inventory to restore dealer health to have a near-term impact on our financial results. With that in mind, we view 2026 as a transition year as we reset the business and finalize our new strategy. I see a path to return to long-term earnings and free cash flow power of the business to the levels we know are possible. I can tell you we expect margins to be under pressure in the near term as production runs below wholesale, creating operating deleverage. These are deliberate actions that we believe are necessary to support both dealer and company profitability and ultimately rebuild the long-term earnings power of the business. As I've discussed, we are in the early stages of a reset.
Artie Starrs: We expect the actions we are taking to assist dealers in moving through inventory to restore dealer health to have a near-term impact on our financial results. With that in mind, we view 2026 as a transition year as we reset the business and finalize our new strategy. I see a path to return to long-term earnings and free cash flow power of the business to the levels we know are possible. I can tell you we expect margins to be under pressure in the near term as production runs below wholesale, creating operating deleverage. These are deliberate actions that we believe are necessary to support both dealer and company profitability and ultimately rebuild the long-term earnings power of the business. As I've discussed, we are in the early stages of a reset.
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Artie Starrs: We've made decisive changes in the work underway across the organization designed to rebuild momentum in the right way for the long term. Turning to the brand and our customer, our leadership team is reorienting the organization around a clear priority: our dealers are customer number one. When we enable our dealers to sell, customize, and service the motorcycles our riders want, everyone wins. I continue to spend significant time with dealers and riders, including attending a H.O.G. Chapter gathering in Milan as part of my visit to Europe. The pride those members took in showing me their Harley-Davidson motorcycles was contagious. It's clear our riders view their Harley as their individual motorcycle. Individual expression matters, and customization is central to that experience. We have been too lax on our parts and accessories business in recent years, and that will change. This is what our riders want.
Artie Starrs: We've made decisive changes in the work underway across the organization designed to rebuild momentum in the right way for the long term. Turning to the brand and our customer, our leadership team is reorienting the organization around a clear priority: our dealers are customer number one. When we enable our dealers to sell, customize, and service the motorcycles our riders want, everyone wins. I continue to spend significant time with dealers and riders, including attending a H.O.G. Chapter gathering in Milan as part of my visit to Europe. The pride those members took in showing me their Harley-Davidson motorcycles was contagious. It's clear our riders view their Harley as their individual motorcycle. Individual expression matters, and customization is central to that experience. We have been too lax on our parts and accessories business in recent years, and that will change. This is what our riders want.
Speaker #2: As I've discussed , we are in the early stages of a reset . We've made decisive changes in the work underway across the organization is designed to rebuild momentum and the right way , and for the long term .
Speaker #2: the brand Turning to customer , team is our leadership organization around a clear Our dealers are customer number one . When we enable our dealers to sell , customize and service the motorcycles , our riders want , everyone wins .
Speaker #2: I continue to spend significant time with dealers and riders , including attending a Hog chapter gathering in Milan as part of my visit to Europe .
Speaker #2: The pride those members took in showing me their Harley-Davidson motorcycles was contagious. It's clear our riders view their Harley as their individual motorcycle.
Speaker #2: Individual expression matters and customization is central to that experience . We have been too on our lax parts and accessories business in recent years , and that will change .
Artie Starrs: It's a critical business for our dealers. It creates more opportunities for our world-class service technicians, and it is core to what Harley-Davidson has always stood for. Going forward, our focus in this area will have two parts: designing and building motorcycles that invite Harley-Davidson customization and ensuring our supply chain can support that demand quickly and reliably. Brand storytelling has always been essential to what makes Harley-Davidson Harley-Davidson. At its core, our brand celebrates riders and the communities they create. In recent years, our work has been too serious and at times too dark. That's not who our riders are. When they ride and gather, our riders are joyful, passionate, and community creators. I saw this firsthand at an 80th anniversary celebration for a dealership outside Paris, France, just a few weeks ago.
Artie Starrs: It's a critical business for our dealers. It creates more opportunities for our world-class service technicians, and it is core to what Harley-Davidson has always stood for. Going forward, our focus in this area will have two parts: designing and building motorcycles that invite Harley-Davidson customization and ensuring our supply chain can support that demand quickly and reliably. Brand storytelling has always been essential to what makes Harley-Davidson Harley-Davidson. At its core, our brand celebrates riders and the communities they create. In recent years, our work has been too serious and at times too dark. That's not who our riders are. When they ride and gather, our riders are joyful, passionate, and community creators. I saw this firsthand at an 80th anniversary celebration for a dealership outside Paris, France, just a few weeks ago.
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Speaker #2: In years past, our work has been too serious and at times too dark. That's not who our riders are when they ride and gather.
Speaker #2: Our riders are joyful , passionate and community creators . I saw this firsthand at an 80th anniversary celebration for a dealership outside Paris , France , just a few weeks ago .
Artie Starrs: Riders shared stories of journeys they'd taken together, including one who proudly told me he had ridden all the way to our factory in York, Pennsylvania, and was wearing his York PA Harley-Davidson gear while standing in Paris. You'll soon see more optimistic, joyful brand work from us, advertising that celebrates our community in a uniquely Harley-Davidson way. Turning to product, to better align aspiration with accessibility, we are actioning more breadth and flexibility in our portfolio. That means being honest about where pricing and portfolio choices have limited our reach and making deliberate choices to widen the funnel in our core. My own interactions with dealers and riders over the past four months, in addition to customer research and recent retail trends, validate what our riders want: the look, sound, and feel of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle coupled with the ability to customize their Harley to make it their own.
Artie Starrs: Riders shared stories of journeys they'd taken together, including one who proudly told me he had ridden all the way to our factory in York, Pennsylvania, and was wearing his York PA Harley-Davidson gear while standing in Paris. You'll soon see more optimistic, joyful brand work from us, advertising that celebrates our community in a uniquely Harley-Davidson way. Turning to product, to better align aspiration with accessibility, we are actioning more breadth and flexibility in our portfolio. That means being honest about where pricing and portfolio choices have limited our reach and making deliberate choices to widen the funnel in our core. My own interactions with dealers and riders over the past four months, in addition to customer research and recent retail trends, validate what our riders want: the look, sound, and feel of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle coupled with the ability to customize their Harley to make it their own.
Speaker #2: Riders shared stories of journeys they'd taken together, including one who proudly told me he had ridden all the way to our factory in York, Pennsylvania, and was wearing his York, PA Harley-Davidson gear while in Paris.
Speaker #2: You'll soon see more optimistic , joyful brand work from us . that our Advertising community in a celebrates uniquely way Harley-Davidson . Turning to product to better align aspiration with accessibility , we are actioning more breadth and flexibility in our portfolio .
Speaker #2: That means being honest about where pricing, portfolio, and choices have limited our reach, and making deliberate choices to widen the funnel in our core.
Speaker #2: My own interactions with dealers and riders over the past four months . In addition to customer research and recent retail trends , validate what our riders want , the look , sound and feel of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle , coupled with the ability to customize their Harley to make it their own .
Artie Starrs: The used market continues to reinforce the power of the brand and a strong desire for customers to purchase our products, but at a price that is more aligned with today's economic realities. In fact, as we look at used auction activity, we feel enthused about recent demand trends and the positive impact they're having on used values, especially in Harley-Davidson core Softail models. What's clear is that the portfolio actions taken over recent years have put the brand out of reach for some existing and potential riders. To win, it's clear we need to sharpen our product focus, not only creating the highest quality motorcycles that our riders want to ride, but doing so with a price in mind. We need to ensure that these are products that our dealers are excited about and able to sell at a profit level that works for them and for us.
Artie Starrs: The used market continues to reinforce the power of the brand and a strong desire for customers to purchase our products, but at a price that is more aligned with today's economic realities. In fact, as we look at used auction activity, we feel enthused about recent demand trends and the positive impact they're having on used values, especially in Harley-Davidson core Softail models. What's clear is that the portfolio actions taken over recent years have put the brand out of reach for some existing and potential riders. To win, it's clear we need to sharpen our product focus, not only creating the highest quality motorcycles that our riders want to ride, but doing so with a price in mind. We need to ensure that these are products that our dealers are excited about and able to sell at a profit level that works for them and for us.
Speaker #2: The used market continues to reinforce the power of the brand and a strong desire for customers to purchase our products . But at a price that is more aligned with today's economic realities .
Speaker #2: In fact , as we look at used auction activity , we feel recent enthused demand trends and the positive impact they're having on used values , especially in Harley-Davidson core Softail models What's clear is .
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Speaker #2: We need to ensure that these are products that our dealers are excited about and able to sell at a profit level that works for them and for us onto the team and our org structure .
Artie Starrs: Onto the team and our org structure. Execution requires the right team and structure. We've made targeted leadership team and organizational changes to strengthen our capabilities across product, supply chain, marketing, technology, and brand. We've added back new perspectives and welcomed back proven leaders with deep knowledge of Harley-Davidson's rider culture and community. Importantly, Harley-Davidson should be a great place to work as well as a great business. Strong corporate culture isn't just good for employee morale. It's good for business. Rebuilding our culture and identity as a Milwaukee icon truly matters. My direct reports are all working from Milwaukee at our Juneau Avenue headquarters, and we will be formally reopening the office later this quarter.
Artie Starrs: Onto the team and our org structure. Execution requires the right team and structure. We've made targeted leadership team and organizational changes to strengthen our capabilities across product, supply chain, marketing, technology, and brand. We've added back new perspectives and welcomed back proven leaders with deep knowledge of Harley-Davidson's rider culture and community. Importantly, Harley-Davidson should be a great place to work as well as a great business. Strong corporate culture isn't just good for employee morale. It's good for business. Rebuilding our culture and identity as a Milwaukee icon truly matters. My direct reports are all working from Milwaukee at our Juneau Avenue headquarters, and we will be formally reopening the office later this quarter.
Speaker #2: Execution requires the right team and structure. We've made targeted leadership team and organizational changes to strengthen our capabilities across product, supply chain, marketing, and technology brand.
Speaker #2: We've added back new perspectives in welcomed back , proven leaders with deep knowledge of Harley-davidson's rider , culture and community . Importantly , Harley-Davidson should great place to be a work as well as a great business .
Speaker #2: A strong corporate culture good for isn't just employee morale , it's good for . Rebuilding our culture and identity as a Milwaukee truly icon matters .
Speaker #2: My direct reports are all working from Milwaukee at our Juneau Avenue headquarters , and we will be formally reopening the office later this quarter going back to the by bricks at our Juneau Avenue headquarters .
Artie Starrs: By going back to the bricks at our Juneau Avenue headquarters, we are not only reigniting the cultural beat that has defined this company for over 120 years, but with these changes, we are improving decision-making speed, cross-functional collaboration, and critically, accountability. I'm particularly pleased with how much more agile, nimble, and speedy our leadership team is becoming, working shoulder to shoulder in Milwaukee. I'm excited to get our teams back to Juneau in the coming months. It's an inspiring place to work. Lastly, I'll touch on the financial actions we are taking to reposition the business for success. We are conducting a rigorous end-to-end review of our cost base and operating expenses, supported by third-party specialists. Our current corporate overhead, manufacturing capacity, and overall operating expenses are built for materially higher volumes than today's demand, and we will be addressing this mismatch head-on.
Artie Starrs: By going back to the bricks at our Juneau Avenue headquarters, we are not only reigniting the cultural beat that has defined this company for over 120 years, but with these changes, we are improving decision-making speed, cross-functional collaboration, and critically, accountability. I'm particularly pleased with how much more agile, nimble, and speedy our leadership team is becoming, working shoulder to shoulder in Milwaukee. I'm excited to get our teams back to Juneau in the coming months. It's an inspiring place to work. Lastly, I'll touch on the financial actions we are taking to reposition the business for success. We are conducting a rigorous end-to-end review of our cost base and operating expenses, supported by third-party specialists. Our current corporate overhead, manufacturing capacity, and overall operating expenses are built for materially higher volumes than today's demand, and we will be addressing this mismatch head-on.
Speaker #2: are not We only reigniting the cultural beat that is defined this company , for over 120 years , but with these changes , improving decision we are speed , cross-functional collaboration and critically , accountability .
Speaker #2: I'm particularly pleased with how much more agile , nimble and speedy our leadership team is becoming . Working shoulder to shoulder in Milwaukee .
Speaker #2: I'm excited to get our two Juneau teams back in the coming months. It's an inspiring place to work. Lastly, I'll touch on the financial actions we are taking to reposition the business for success.
Speaker #2: conducting a We are rigorous review of our end to end cost base and operating expenses supported by third party , specialists . Our current corporate overhead manufacturing capacity and overall operating expenses are built for materially higher volumes than today's demand , and we will addressing be this mismatch head on .
Artie Starrs: We will share more details in May. However, on top of previously announced targets, we anticipate at least $150 million of annual run rate savings that will impact 2027 and beyond. In Q4 2025, we renegotiated and funded the term loan with LiveWire, reducing the principal to $75 million. LiveWire is now working diligently to attract its own sources of capital to continue to finance its operations and future plans. We remain excited about LiveWire's newest motorcycle, the Honcho, soon to be in market later this year, well aligned with the evolution of the EV motorcycle category toward smaller mini-motos. Turning to HDFS, the recent transaction has delivered meaningful capital benefits. We now expect to be able to run the HDFS business with less capital than has been tied to this business historically.
Artie Starrs: We will share more details in May. However, on top of previously announced targets, we anticipate at least $150 million of annual run rate savings that will impact 2027 and beyond. In Q4 2025, we renegotiated and funded the term loan with LiveWire, reducing the principal to $75 million. LiveWire is now working diligently to attract its own sources of capital to continue to finance its operations and future plans. We remain excited about LiveWire's newest motorcycle, the Honcho, soon to be in market later this year, well aligned with the evolution of the EV motorcycle category toward smaller mini-motos. Turning to HDFS, the recent transaction has delivered meaningful capital benefits. We now expect to be able to run the HDFS business with less capital than has been tied to this business historically.
Speaker #2: We will share more details in However , . on May top of previously announced targets , we anticipate at least $150 million of annual run rate savings that will impact 2027 and beyond .
Speaker #2: In Q4 2025, we renegotiated and funded the term loan with LiveWire, reducing the principal to $75 million. LiveWire is now working diligently to attract its own sources of capital to continue to finance its operations and future plans.
Speaker #2: We excited about Livewire's newest motorcycle , the remain honcho , soon to be in market later this year . Well aligned with the evolution of the EV category motorcycle toward smaller mini motos .
Speaker #2: Turning to HDFS , the recent transaction has delivered capital meaningful benefits . We now to be able to run expect the HDFS business with less capital than has been tied to this business historically .
Artie Starrs: With these changes, we plan to take HDFS class-leading returns and deliver an even higher ROE than we did historically. As HDFS's asset base rebuilds over the coming years, we expect to get back to earnings levels that run below historical levels. Going forward, HDFS will operate with significantly lower capital commitments and with funding support from two trusted partners. HDFS continues to be a strategic asset for Harley-Davidson and a critical enabler for our dealer network, and we will talk more about HDFS strategically during our Q1 earnings call in May. While a key priority remains returning excess capital to shareholders, we are currently evaluating the timing of our share buyback initiatives. In the near term, we expect to be measured in our approach to share repurchases while we finalize our strategic plan that we expect to announce in May.
Artie Starrs: With these changes, we plan to take HDFS class-leading returns and deliver an even higher ROE than we did historically. As HDFS's asset base rebuilds over the coming years, we expect to get back to earnings levels that run below historical levels. Going forward, HDFS will operate with significantly lower capital commitments and with funding support from two trusted partners. HDFS continues to be a strategic asset for Harley-Davidson and a critical enabler for our dealer network, and we will talk more about HDFS strategically during our Q1 earnings call in May. While a key priority remains returning excess capital to shareholders, we are currently evaluating the timing of our share buyback initiatives. In the near term, we expect to be measured in our approach to share repurchases while we finalize our strategic plan that we expect to announce in May.
Speaker #2: With these changes , we plan to take HDFS leading class returns and deliver an even higher ROE than we did historically . And as HDFS asset base rebuilds over the coming years .
Speaker #2: We expect to get back to levels that run below historical levels going forward . HDFS will operate with significantly lower capital commitments and with funding support from two trusted partners .
Speaker #2: HDFS continues to be a strategic asset for Harley-Davidson and a critical enabler for our dealer network . And we will talk more about HDFS strategically during our Q1 earnings call in May .
Speaker #2: HDFS continues to be a strategic asset for Harley-Davidson and a critical enabler for our dealer network . And we will talk more about HDFS strategically during our Q1 earnings call in May . While a key excess returning capital to priority remains we are shareholders , currently evaluating the timing initiatives buyback of our in the near term .
Speaker #2: We expect to be measured in our approach to share repurchases while we finalize our strategic plan that we expect to announce in May .
Artie Starrs: Before I hand it over to Jonathan, I want to reiterate that Harley-Davidson has an iconic brand, a loyal community, and a dealer network unlike any other. We are taking the hard, necessary steps to stabilize the business and rebuild trust, which we believe will restore our long-term earnings power. The work is underway, execution is improving, and we are committed to delivering results. Thank you, and now I'll hand it over to Jonathan.
Artie Starrs: Before I hand it over to Jonathan, I want to reiterate that Harley-Davidson has an iconic brand, a loyal community, and a dealer network unlike any other. We are taking the hard, necessary steps to stabilize the business and rebuild trust, which we believe will restore our long-term earnings power. The work is underway, execution is improving, and we are committed to delivering results. Thank you, and now I'll hand it over to Jonathan.
Speaker #2: Before I hand it over to Jonathan , I want to reiterate that Harley-Davidson has an iconic brand , a loyal community , and a dealer network unlike any other .
Speaker #2: We are taking the hard, necessary steps to stabilize the business and rebuild trust, which we believe will restore our long-term earnings power.
Speaker #2: The work is underway . Execution is improving and we are committed to delivering results . Thank you . And now I'll hand it over to Jonathan .
Craig Kennison: Thank you, Artie, and good morning to all. I plan to start on page 4 and 5 of the presentation where I will briefly summarize the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. Subsequently, I will go into further detail on each business segment. As a reminder, we closed what we call the HDFS transaction in Q4 at the end of October. The HDFS transaction is a strategic partnership with KKR and PIMCO that we expect will transform Harley-Davidson Financial Services into a capital-light, de-risked business model. It also changes the financial profile of HDFS starting in Q4 of 2025 and affords a high degree of optionality in how we fund and run that business. As Artie cited earlier, the financial results in 2025 have come under pressure in the current challenging operating environment.
Jonathan Root: Thank you, Artie, and good morning to all. I plan to start on page 4 and 5 of the presentation where I will briefly summarize the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025. Subsequently, I will go into further detail on each business segment. As a reminder, we closed what we call the HDFS transaction in Q4 at the end of October. The HDFS transaction is a strategic partnership with KKR and PIMCO that we expect will transform Harley-Davidson Financial Services into a capital-light, de-risked business model. It also changes the financial profile of HDFS starting in Q4 of 2025 and affords a high degree of optionality in how we fund and run that business. As Artie cited earlier, the financial results in 2025 have come under pressure in the current challenging operating environment.
Speaker #3: Thank you good morning . And to all . I plan to start on page four and five of the presentation , where I will briefly summarize the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2025 .
Speaker #3: Subsequently , I will go into further detail on each business segment . As a we closed what we call the HDFS transaction in Q4 at the end of October .
Speaker #3: The HDFS transaction is a strategic partnership with KKR and Pimco that we expect will transform Harley-Davidson Financial Services into a capital light direct business model .
Speaker #3: It also changes the financial profile of HDFS starting in Q4 of '25, and affords a high degree of optionality in how we fund and run that business.
Craig Kennison: We have moved immediately to make inventory management and discipline a central focus to resetting the business. This is evident in Q4 results and will continue to be a central priority as we move forward. Let me start with consolidated financial results for the fourth quarter of 2025. Consolidated revenue in the fourth quarter was down 28%, driven by both HDMC revenue being down 10% and by HDFS revenue being down 59%. Consolidated operating income in the fourth quarter came in at a loss of $361 million compared to an operating loss of $193 million in Q4 of 2024. This was driven by an operating loss of $260 million at HDMC and an operating loss of $82 million at HDFS.
Jonathan Root: We have moved immediately to make inventory management and discipline a central focus to resetting the business. This is evident in Q4 results and will continue to be a central priority as we move forward. Let me start with consolidated financial results for the fourth quarter of 2025. Consolidated revenue in the fourth quarter was down 28%, driven by both HDMC revenue being down 10% and by HDFS revenue being down 59%. Consolidated operating income in the fourth quarter came in at a loss of $361 million compared to an operating loss of $193 million in Q4 of 2024. This was driven by an operating loss of $260 million at HDMC and an operating loss of $82 million at HDFS.
Speaker #3: As already cited earlier, the financial results in 2025 have come under pressure in the current challenging operating environment. We have moved immediately to make inventory management and discipline a central focus to resetting the business.
Speaker #3: This is evident in Q4 results and will continue to be . Essential priority as we move forward . Let me start with consolidated results financial for the fourth quarter of 2025 .
Speaker #3: Consolidated revenue in the fourth quarter was by both driven down 28% , Hdmc revenue being down 10% and by HDFS revenue being down 59% .
Speaker #3: Consolidated operating income in the fourth quarter came in at a loss of $361 million, compared to an operating loss of $193 million in Q4 of 2020.
Speaker #3: Four . This was driven by an operating loss of $260 million at Hdmc , and an operating loss of $82 million at HDFS loss .
Craig Kennison: The loss at HDFS was driven by costs associated with liability management activities related to the HDFS transaction, where we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt in Q4 of 2025. The operating loss at LiveWire was $18 million, which was in line with our expectations and $8 million favorable to a year ago. In Q4, earnings per share was a loss of $2.44, which compares to a loss of $0.93 in Q4 of 2024. Turning to full year 2025, consolidated financial results on page five. Consolidated revenue of $4.5 billion was 14% lower compared to last year, while consolidated operating income of $387 million compares to $417 million in full year 2024. For the full year 2025, earnings per share was $2.78 and compares to $3.44 in full year 2024. Now, turning to page six in HDMC retail performance.
Jonathan Root: The loss at HDFS was driven by costs associated with liability management activities related to the HDFS transaction, where we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt in Q4 of 2025. The operating loss at LiveWire was $18 million, which was in line with our expectations and $8 million favorable to a year ago. In Q4, earnings per share was a loss of $2.44, which compares to a loss of $0.93 in Q4 of 2024. Turning to full year 2025, consolidated financial results on page five. Consolidated revenue of $4.5 billion was 14% lower compared to last year, while consolidated operating income of $387 million compares to $417 million in full year 2024. For the full year 2025, earnings per share was $2.78 and compares to $3.44 in full year 2024. Now, turning to page six in HDMC retail performance.
Speaker #3: at The HDFS was driven by costs associated with liability management activities related to the HDFS transaction , where we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt in Q4 of 25 .
Speaker #3: The operating loss at Livewire was $18 million , which was in line with our expectations . And $8 million favorable to a year ago in Q4 , earnings per share was a loss of $2.44 , which compares to a loss of $0.93 in Q4 of 2020 .
Speaker #3: For year 2025 , full to turning Consolidated financial results on page five , consolidated revenue of $4.5 billion was 14% lower compared to last year , while consolidated operating income of $387 million compared to $417 million in full year 2020 .
Speaker #3: For . For the full year 2025 earnings per share was $2.78 and compared to $3.44 in full year 2020 . For now , turning to page six and retail Hdmc performance .
Craig Kennison: As Artie already mentioned, in Q4, North American retail sales of new motorcycles were up 5% with 15,847 motorcycles versus prior year. In Q4, international retail sales of new motorcycles were down 10% with 9,440 motorcycles versus prior year, resulting in Q4 global retail sales of new motorcycles being down 1% at 25,287 motorcycles versus prior year. The choppiness and volatility in global retail results is a continuation of what we have observed since mid-2024 with a difficult global backdrop in big-ticket discretionary sectors. Pricing continues to be on the top of customers' minds given the current global setup that includes inflationary pressures and interest rates that continue to run above recent historical lows. In North America, Q4 retail sales were up 5%, where US retail sales were up 6%, and Canada retail sales were down 7%. For the full year 2025, North America retail sales were down 13%.
Jonathan Root: As Artie already mentioned, in Q4, North American retail sales of new motorcycles were up 5% with 15,847 motorcycles versus prior year. In Q4, international retail sales of new motorcycles were down 10% with 9,440 motorcycles versus prior year, resulting in Q4 global retail sales of new motorcycles being down 1% at 25,287 motorcycles versus prior year. The choppiness and volatility in global retail results is a continuation of what we have observed since mid-2024 with a difficult global backdrop in big-ticket discretionary sectors. Pricing continues to be on the top of customers' minds given the current global setup that includes inflationary pressures and interest rates that continue to run above recent historical lows. In North America, Q4 retail sales were up 5%, where US retail sales were up 6%, and Canada retail sales were down 7%. For the full year 2025, North America retail sales were down 13%.
Speaker #3: already As already mentioned , in Q4 , North American retail new sales of motorcycles were up 5% , with 15,847 motorcycles versus prior year in Q4 .
Speaker #3: International retail sales of new motorcycles were down 10% , with 9440 motorcycles versus prior year Q4 . , resulting in Global retail sales of new being motorcycles down 1% at 25,287 motorcycles versus the prior year .
Speaker #3: The choppiness and volatility in global retail results is a continuation of what we have observed since mid 2024 , with a difficult global backdrop in big ticket discretionary sectors , pricing continues to be on the top of customers minds .
Speaker #3: Given the current global setup that includes inflationary pressures and interest rates that continue to run above recent historical lows in North America , Q4 retail sales were up 5% where US retail sales were up 6% and Canada retail sales were down 7% .
Craig Kennison: In the quarter, we experienced strength in our Grand American Touring product up 6%, driven by the promotional support in the marketplace. We also saw strength in lower-priced sport motorcycle models up 33% as the updated pricing and marketing resonated with our dealers and customers. Within Grand American Touring, Trike was down 24% on very tight inventory availability in advance of the January 2026 new Trike launch. In EMEA, Q4 retail sales declined by 24%, driven by weakness across the region and different bike families. EMEA continued to be adversely impacted by overall macroeconomic conditions. For the full year 2025, EMEA retail sales were down 11%. In the quarter, we experienced the most weakness in the touring and Softail categories.
Jonathan Root: In the quarter, we experienced strength in our Grand American Touring product up 6%, driven by the promotional support in the marketplace. We also saw strength in lower-priced sport motorcycle models up 33% as the updated pricing and marketing resonated with our dealers and customers. Within Grand American Touring, Trike was down 24% on very tight inventory availability in advance of the January 2026 new Trike launch. In EMEA, Q4 retail sales declined by 24%, driven by weakness across the region and different bike families. EMEA continued to be adversely impacted by overall macroeconomic conditions. For the full year 2025, EMEA retail sales were down 11%. In the quarter, we experienced the most weakness in the touring and Softail categories.
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025 . North America retail sales were down 13% in the quarter . We experienced strength in our American grand touring product , driven by the promotional up 6% , support in the marketplace .
Speaker #3: also saw We strength in priced lower motorcycle sport models , up 33% as the pricing and marketing updated resonated with our dealers and customers within Grand American Touring trike was down 24% on very tight inventory availability in advance of the January 2026 new trike launch in EMEA .
Speaker #3: retail sales declined Q4 by 24% , driven by weakness across the region and different bike families continued to be . EMEA adversely impacted by overall macroeconomic conditions the full for year 2025 , retail sales EMEA were in the 11% down quarter .
Craig Kennison: In Asia-Pacific, Q4 retail sales declined by 1%, which was a significant improvement from the first half of 2025 and mostly attributed to a continued challenging environment in China, which was down meaningfully. The Q4 retail sales included positive results in Japan and Asia emerging markets. For the full year 2025, Asia-Pacific retail sales were down 15%, and the softness was most acute in China for the full year and Japan for the first half of 2025. In the quarter, we saw retail strength across all families except for sport and lightweight motorcycles, which still had a combined inventory down nearly 30%. In Latin America, Q4 retail sales increased by 10%, where both Brazil, our largest Latin American market, and Mexico were up, while other Latin American countries were down modestly year over year.
Jonathan Root: In Asia-Pacific, Q4 retail sales declined by 1%, which was a significant improvement from the first half of 2025 and mostly attributed to a continued challenging environment in China, which was down meaningfully. The Q4 retail sales included positive results in Japan and Asia emerging markets. For the full year 2025, Asia-Pacific retail sales were down 15%, and the softness was most acute in China for the full year and Japan for the first half of 2025. In the quarter, we saw retail strength across all families except for sport and lightweight motorcycles, which still had a combined inventory down nearly 30%. In Latin America, Q4 retail sales increased by 10%, where both Brazil, our largest Latin American market, and Mexico were up, while other Latin American countries were down modestly year over year.
Speaker #3: We experienced the most weakness in the touring and softail categories in Asia-Pacific Q4 sales , retail by declined 1% , which was a significant improvement from the first half of 2025 and mostly attributed to challenging a continued in China , which was environment down meaningfully .
Speaker #3: The Q4 sales retail results in included positive Japan and Asia . Emerging markets . For the full year 2025 , Asia sales were retail down 15% and the softness was most acute in for the year and China Japan full for the first half of 2025 .
Speaker #3: In the quarter , we saw retail strength across all families except for sport and lightweight motorcycles , which still had a combined inventory down nearly 30% in Latin America , Q4 retail sales increased by 10% , where Brazil , our largest both Latin American market , and Mexico were , while other up Latin American countries were down modestly year over year .
Craig Kennison: For the full year 2025, Latin America retail sales were up 2%, where both Brazil and Mexico were up. For the full year 2025, global retail sales of new motorcycles were down 12% versus the prior year, where both North America and international markets turned in a similar performance. As Artie mentioned earlier, dealer inventory at the end of Q4 was down 17% versus the end of Q4 in the prior year. This compares to our stated goal at the beginning of 2025 of reducing dealer inventory by 10%. North America dealer inventory ended down 16%, and international dealer inventory ended down 20%, with the regions coming in between down 19% to down 23%. This allows Harley-Davidson dealers to start the 2026 riding season much cleaner and with an appropriate setup as we look at the coming quarters.
Jonathan Root: For the full year 2025, Latin America retail sales were up 2%, where both Brazil and Mexico were up. For the full year 2025, global retail sales of new motorcycles were down 12% versus the prior year, where both North America and international markets turned in a similar performance. As Artie mentioned earlier, dealer inventory at the end of Q4 was down 17% versus the end of Q4 in the prior year. This compares to our stated goal at the beginning of 2025 of reducing dealer inventory by 10%. North America dealer inventory ended down 16%, and international dealer inventory ended down 20%, with the regions coming in between down 19% to down 23%. This allows Harley-Davidson dealers to start the 2026 riding season much cleaner and with an appropriate setup as we look at the coming quarters.
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025 , Latin American retail sales were up 2% , where both Brazil and were up Mexico for the full year 2025 .
Speaker #3: Retail sales of new motorcycles were down 12% versus the prior year , where both North America and international markets turned in a similar performance .
Speaker #3: mentioned As earlier , dealer inventory at the Q4 end of was 17% versus the end of down Q4 in prior the . This compares to our stated goal at the beginning of 2025 of reducing dealer inventory by 10% .
Speaker #3: North America Dealer inventory ended down 16% and International Dealer Inventory ended down 20% , with the regions coming in between down 19 to down 23% .
Speaker #3: This allows Harley-Davidson dealers to start 2026 riding the season much cleaner and with an appropriate setup . As we look at the coming quarters as discussed , we specifically focused on assisting dealers to reduce touring motorcycle inventory in North America .
Craig Kennison: As discussed, we specifically focused on assisting dealers to reduce touring motorcycle inventory in North America as the market displayed its price and value sensitivity. Let me briefly touch on incentive and promotional spend within the current environment. In Q4, we selectively provided incentive and promotional support to Harley-Davidson dealers in the form of interest rate assistance, low APR, customer cash, and dealer cash credit. As I covered last quarter and Artie mentioned earlier, dealers have more touring inventory in the channel than is desired, and while we have made progress in Q4, we still have more work to do. Based upon discussions with our dealers in December 2025, we determined to continue with consumer promotions into Q1 2026 in order to work through these units, and therefore, we have taken an accrual in our Q4 2025 financials.
Jonathan Root: As discussed, we specifically focused on assisting dealers to reduce touring motorcycle inventory in North America as the market displayed its price and value sensitivity. Let me briefly touch on incentive and promotional spend within the current environment. In Q4, we selectively provided incentive and promotional support to Harley-Davidson dealers in the form of interest rate assistance, low APR, customer cash, and dealer cash credit. As I covered last quarter and Artie mentioned earlier, dealers have more touring inventory in the channel than is desired, and while we have made progress in Q4, we still have more work to do. Based upon discussions with our dealers in December 2025, we determined to continue with consumer promotions into Q1 2026 in order to work through these units, and therefore, we have taken an accrual in our Q4 2025 financials.
Speaker #3: As the market displayed it's price and value sensitivity . Let me briefly touch upon incentive and promotional spend within the current environment . In Q4 , we provided incentive and promotional support to Harley-Davidson dealers in the form of interest rate assistance , low Apr customer and dealer cash credit .
Speaker #3: As I covered last quarter and already mentioned earlier , dealers have more touring inventory in the channel than is desired . And while we have made progress in Q4 , we still have more work to do based upon discussions with our dealers .
Speaker #3: In December of 2025 , we determined to continue with consumer promotions into Q1 of 2026 . In order to work through these units and therefore , we have taken accrual in our Q4 2025 financials .
Craig Kennison: Again, we expect this will help us get out of the gate stronger in 2026 to help drive retail performance. Now, turning to page seven and HDMC revenue performance. In Q4, HDMC revenue decreased by 10%, coming in at $379 million, where the biggest drivers of the decline included net pricing, incentive spend, and decreased wholesale volumes. For the full year 2025, HDMC revenue decreased by 13%, coming in at $3.6 billion, where the biggest driver of the decline was decreased wholesale volumes, where we shipped around 125,000 motorcycles, down 16% from the prior year, while net pricing was largely flat on the year. Now, turning to page eight and HDMC margin performance. In Q4, HDMC gross profit came in at a loss of $30 million, which compares to a loss of $3 million in the prior year.
Jonathan Root: Again, we expect this will help us get out of the gate stronger in 2026 to help drive retail performance. Now, turning to page seven and HDMC revenue performance. In Q4, HDMC revenue decreased by 10%, coming in at $379 million, where the biggest drivers of the decline included net pricing, incentive spend, and decreased wholesale volumes. For the full year 2025, HDMC revenue decreased by 13%, coming in at $3.6 billion, where the biggest driver of the decline was decreased wholesale volumes, where we shipped around 125,000 motorcycles, down 16% from the prior year, while net pricing was largely flat on the year. Now, turning to page eight and HDMC margin performance. In Q4, HDMC gross profit came in at a loss of $30 million, which compares to a loss of $3 million in the prior year.
Speaker #3: Again , we expect this will help us get out of the gate stronger in 2026 to help drive retail performance . Now , turning to page seven and Hdmc revenue performance in Q4 .
Speaker #3: Hdmc revenue decreased by 10% , coming in at $379 million , where the biggest drivers of the included pricing and decline net incentive spend and wholesale decreased volumes .
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025 Hdmc , revenue decreased by 13% , coming in at $3.6 billion , biggest where the driver of the decline was decreased .
Speaker #3: Wholesale volumes where we shipped around 125,000 motorcycles , down 16% from the prior year , while net pricing was largely flat on the year .
Speaker #3: Now , turning to page eight , and HCMC margin performance in Q4 Hdmc gross profit came in at a loss of $30 million , which compares to a loss of $3 million in the prior year .
Craig Kennison: Q4 is typically our lowest gross margin quarter due to seasonality and model year changeover. The year-over-year decrease was driven by the negative impacts from increased tariff costs, net pricing, and incentive spend, while partially offset by the positive impacts from manufacturing costs, including leverage, and favorable foreign exchange. In Q4, operating expenses totaled $230 million, which was $19 million higher compared to prior year, or 9%, due to greater marketing spend with the introduction of the North America-focused Marketing Development Fund for our dealers. In Q4, HDMC had an operating loss of $260 million, which compares to an operating loss of $214 million in the prior year period. Turning our attention to full year 2025 margins. For the full year 2025, HDMC gross margin was 24.2%, which compares to 28% in the prior year.
Jonathan Root: Q4 is typically our lowest gross margin quarter due to seasonality and model year changeover. The year-over-year decrease was driven by the negative impacts from increased tariff costs, net pricing, and incentive spend, while partially offset by the positive impacts from manufacturing costs, including leverage, and favorable foreign exchange. In Q4, operating expenses totaled $230 million, which was $19 million higher compared to prior year, or 9%, due to greater marketing spend with the introduction of the North America-focused Marketing Development Fund for our dealers. In Q4, HDMC had an operating loss of $260 million, which compares to an operating loss of $214 million in the prior year period. Turning our attention to full year 2025 margins. For the full year 2025, HDMC gross margin was 24.2%, which compares to 28% in the prior year.
Speaker #3: Q4 is typically our lowest gross quarter margin due to seasonality and model year changeover . The year over year decrease was the driven by negative impacts from increased tariff costs and pricing , and net incentive spend .
Speaker #3: While partially by the offset positive impacts from manufacturing costs , including leverage and favorable exchange foreign . In Q4 , operating expenses totaled $230 million , which was $19 million higher compared to prior year , or 9% due to greater marketing spend .
Speaker #3: With the introduction of the North America-focused marketing Development Fund for our dealers in Q4, HDMC had an operating loss of $260 million, which compares to an operating loss of $214 million in the prior year period.
Speaker #3: Turning our attention to full year 2025 margins for the full year 2025 Hdmc gross margin was 24.2% , which compares to 28% in the year prior .
Craig Kennison: The decrease of 380 basis points was driven by the negative impacts from incremental tariffs in calendar year 2025, which we will cover on the next slide, negative operating leverage, and lower volumes. These impacts were partially offset by the positive performance from lower supply management and logistics costs, favorable mix, foreign exchange, and net pricing was largely flat for the full year. Lastly, for the full year of 2025, operating expenses came in at $895 million, which were higher by $18 million due primarily to the Marketing Development Fund mentioned previously. For the full year 2025, HDMC operating income was a loss of $29 million, which compares to operating income of $278 million for the full year 2024. Turning to slide 12. In 2025, the global tariff environment was more volatile and uncertain than we had expected at the beginning of the year.
Jonathan Root: The decrease of 380 basis points was driven by the negative impacts from incremental tariffs in calendar year 2025, which we will cover on the next slide, negative operating leverage, and lower volumes. These impacts were partially offset by the positive performance from lower supply management and logistics costs, favorable mix, foreign exchange, and net pricing was largely flat for the full year. Lastly, for the full year of 2025, operating expenses came in at $895 million, which were higher by $18 million due primarily to the Marketing Development Fund mentioned previously. For the full year 2025, HDMC operating income was a loss of $29 million, which compares to operating income of $278 million for the full year 2024. Turning to slide 12. In 2025, the global tariff environment was more volatile and uncertain than we had expected at the beginning of the year.
Speaker #3: The decrease of 380 basis points was driven by the negative impacts from incremental tariffs in calendar year 2025 , which we will cover next slide on the .
Speaker #3: Negative operating leverage and lower volumes . These impacts were partially positive performance the offset by from lower supply management and logistics costs . Favorable mix foreign exchange and net pricing was largely flat for the full year .
Speaker #3: Lastly , for the full year of 2025 , operating expenses came in at $895 million , which were higher by $18 million due primarily to the marketing development fund mentioned previously .
Speaker #3: For the full year 2025 , Hdmc operating income was a loss of $29 million , which compares to operating income of $278 million for the full year 2024 .
Speaker #3: Turning to slide 12. In 2025, the global tariff environment was more volatile and uncertain than we had expected at the beginning of the year.
Craig Kennison: In Q4 of 2025, the cost of new or increased tariffs was $22 million, and for the full year of 2025, the cost of new or increased tariffs was $67 million. This included direct tariff exposure, Harley-Davidson importing and exporting product, as well as indirect tariff exposure from suppliers. This excluded pricing mitigation actions as well as operational costs relating to new or increased tariffs. Harley-Davidson is a business very centered in and around the United States. Three of our four manufacturing centers are US-based, and 100% of our US core product is manufactured in the US. We also have a US-centric approach to sourcing, with approximately 75% of component purchasing coming from the US. We have a number of actions underway to mitigate the impact, and we expect this situation will remain fluid given the uncertainty that still exists.
Jonathan Root: In Q4 of 2025, the cost of new or increased tariffs was $22 million, and for the full year of 2025, the cost of new or increased tariffs was $67 million. This included direct tariff exposure, Harley-Davidson importing and exporting product, as well as indirect tariff exposure from suppliers. This excluded pricing mitigation actions as well as operational costs relating to new or increased tariffs. Harley-Davidson is a business very centered in and around the United States. Three of our four manufacturing centers are US-based, and 100% of our US core product is manufactured in the US. We also have a US-centric approach to sourcing, with approximately 75% of component purchasing coming from the US. We have a number of actions underway to mitigate the impact, and we expect this situation will remain fluid given the uncertainty that still exists.
Speaker #3: In Q4 of 2025 , the cost of new or increased tariffs was $22 million , and for the full year of 2025 , the cost of new or increased tariffs was $67 million .
Speaker #3: Direct included this tariff exposure, Harley-Davidson importing and exporting product, as well as indirect tariff exposure from suppliers. This excluded pricing mitigation actions as well as operational costs relating to new or increased tariffs.
Speaker #3: Harley-Davidson is a business very centered in and around the United States . Three of our four manufacturing centers are US based , and 100% of our US core product is manufactured in the US .
Speaker #3: We also have a US centric approach to sourcing with approximately 75% of component purchasing coming from the US . We have a number of actions underway to mitigate the impact , and we expect this situation will remain fluid given the uncertainty that still exists .
Craig Kennison: As mentioned earlier, we closed the HDFS transaction in Q4 at the end of October. Just to restate or recap what we talked about in greater detail on the last earnings call, the HDFS transaction includes three key components: backbook sale, sale of approximately $6 billion of existing HDFS loan receivables, forward flow agreement, the sale of future HDFS loan originations, and the sale of equity interest, sale of a 9.8% common equity interest in HDFS to KKR and PIMCO. In the fourth quarter, we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt, which resulted in some discrete costs. These discrete liability management costs were $73 million in Q4. While the full year results were record high earnings for HDFS, Q4 of 2025 resulted in an operating loss of $82 million for HDFS. Let me provide some greater detail.
Jonathan Root: As mentioned earlier, we closed the HDFS transaction in Q4 at the end of October. Just to restate or recap what we talked about in greater detail on the last earnings call, the HDFS transaction includes three key components: backbook sale, sale of approximately $6 billion of existing HDFS loan receivables, forward flow agreement, the sale of future HDFS loan originations, and the sale of equity interest, sale of a 9.8% common equity interest in HDFS to KKR and PIMCO. In the fourth quarter, we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt, which resulted in some discrete costs. These discrete liability management costs were $73 million in Q4. While the full year results were record high earnings for HDFS, Q4 of 2025 resulted in an operating loss of $82 million for HDFS. Let me provide some greater detail.
Speaker #3: As mentioned earlier , we closed the HDFS transaction in Q4 at of the end October just to restate or recap what we talked in greater about detail on the last earnings call , the HDFS transaction includes three key components that book sale .
Speaker #3: Sale of approximately $6 billion of existing HDFS loan receivables, forward flow agreement, the sale of future HDFS loan originations, and the sale of equity interest.
Speaker #3: Sale of a 9.8% common equity interest in HDFS to KKR and Pimco in the fourth quarter , we retired a significant portion of HDFS debt , which resulted in some discrete costs .
Speaker #3: These discrete liability management costs were $73 million in Q4, while the full year results were record high. Earnings for HDFS, Q4 of '25, resulted in an operating loss of $82 million for HDFS.
Craig Kennison: At Harley-Davidson Financial Services, Q4 revenue came in at $106 million versus $257 million in the prior year. The Q4 decrease was driven by lower retail and wholesale finance receivables at lower yields. The decline in retail receivables was due to the sale of the retail backbook in the HDFS transaction. In Q4, interest income decreased from $224 million in Q4 of 2024 to $46 million in Q4 of 2025, while other income increased to $60 million due to new servicing fee screens. On the expense side, Q4 interest expense increased to $130 million from $95 million a year ago. This line item included the $73 million of discrete liability management costs to retire HDFS indebtedness. The provision for credit losses decreased to $7 million in Q4 from $72 million a year ago on lower retail finance receivables.
Jonathan Root: At Harley-Davidson Financial Services, Q4 revenue came in at $106 million versus $257 million in the prior year. The Q4 decrease was driven by lower retail and wholesale finance receivables at lower yields. The decline in retail receivables was due to the sale of the retail backbook in the HDFS transaction. In Q4, interest income decreased from $224 million in Q4 of 2024 to $46 million in Q4 of 2025, while other income increased to $60 million due to new servicing fee screens. On the expense side, Q4 interest expense increased to $130 million from $95 million a year ago. This line item included the $73 million of discrete liability management costs to retire HDFS indebtedness. The provision for credit losses decreased to $7 million in Q4 from $72 million a year ago on lower retail finance receivables.
Speaker #3: Let me provide some greater detail at Harley-Davidson Financial Services Q4 revenue came in at $106 million , versus $257 million in the prior year .
Speaker #3: The Q4 decrease was driven by lower retail and wholesale finance receivables at lower yields . The decline in retail receivables was due to the sale of the retail back book in the HDFS transaction in Q4 , interest income decreased from $224 million in Q4 of 24 to $46 million in Q4 of 25 , while other income increased to $60 million due to new servicing fee streams .
Speaker #3: On the expense side , Q4 interest expense increased to $130 million from $95 million a year ago . This line item included the $73 million of discrete liability management costs to retire HDFS indebtedness , the provision for credit losses decreased to $7 million in Q4 from $72 million a year ago on lower retail finance receivables last operating came in expenses at $51 million in Q4 versus $43 million a year ago , primarily driven by increased hedging costs and employee costs .
Craig Kennison: Last, operating expenses came in at $51 million in Q4 versus $43 million a year ago, primarily driven by increased hedging costs and employee costs. In Q4, HDFS operating income came in at a loss of $82 million. For the full year 2025, HDFS revenue was $869 million, down 16% from prior year, primarily due to lower retail receivables and lower wholesale receivables due to the transaction. For the full year 2025, interest income decreased from $891 million to $668 million. For the full year 2025, other income increased from $148 million to $201 million in the prior year, primarily driven by a discrete gain on the sale of residual interest and securitizations, a component of the HDFS transaction, and by servicing fee income. For the full year 2025, HDFS operating income was $490 million, record high earnings for HDFS, up from $248 million in full year 2024.
Jonathan Root: Last, operating expenses came in at $51 million in Q4 versus $43 million a year ago, primarily driven by increased hedging costs and employee costs. In Q4, HDFS operating income came in at a loss of $82 million. For the full year 2025, HDFS revenue was $869 million, down 16% from prior year, primarily due to lower retail receivables and lower wholesale receivables due to the transaction. For the full year 2025, interest income decreased from $891 million to $668 million. For the full year 2025, other income increased from $148 million to $201 million in the prior year, primarily driven by a discrete gain on the sale of residual interest and securitizations, a component of the HDFS transaction, and by servicing fee income. For the full year 2025, HDFS operating income was $490 million, record high earnings for HDFS, up from $248 million in full year 2024.
Speaker #3: In Q4 , HDFS , operating income came in at a loss of $82 million for the full year 2025 , HDFS revenue was $869 million , down 16% from prior year , primarily due to lower retail receivables and lower wholesale receivables .
Speaker #3: Due to the transaction, for the full year 2025, interest income decreased from $891 million to $668 million for the full year 2025.
Speaker #3: Other income increased from $148 million to $201 million in the prior year , primarily driven by a discrete gain on the sale of residual interest in securitizations .
Speaker #3: A component of the HDFS transaction , and by servicing fee income for the full year 2025 , HDFS operating income Record was $490 million .
Craig Kennison: The increase was primarily driven by favorable provision for credit loss expense due to the HDFS transaction impacts and higher other income, partially offset by lower net interest income and higher operating expenses. With the sale of $6 billion of retail finance receivables, the provision for credit loss line item became favorable rather than a cost, reflecting the release of CECL allowance associated with the sold loans. Turning to HDFS loan origination activities, total retail loan originations in Q4 were up 2%, coming in at $487 million in Q4. Commercial receivables came in at $949 million at the end of the year relative to the prior year level of $1 billion, down 6%, reflecting overall lower dealer inventory levels in the channel. Total gross financing receivables were $2 billion at the end of 2025, where retail receivables were $1 billion and commercial receivables were $949 million.
Jonathan Root: The increase was primarily driven by favorable provision for credit loss expense due to the HDFS transaction impacts and higher other income, partially offset by lower net interest income and higher operating expenses. With the sale of $6 billion of retail finance receivables, the provision for credit loss line item became favorable rather than a cost, reflecting the release of CECL allowance associated with the sold loans. Turning to HDFS loan origination activities, total retail loan originations in Q4 were up 2%, coming in at $487 million in Q4. Commercial receivables came in at $949 million at the end of the year relative to the prior year level of $1 billion, down 6%, reflecting overall lower dealer inventory levels in the channel. Total gross financing receivables were $2 billion at the end of 2025, where retail receivables were $1 billion and commercial receivables were $949 million.
Speaker #3: high earnings for HDFS , up from $248 million in full year 2024 . The increase was primarily driven by favorable provision for credit loss expense due to .
Speaker #3: The HDFS transaction impact and higher other income , partially offset by lower net interest income and higher operating expenses . With the sale of $6 billion of retail finance receivables , the provision for credit loss line item became favorable rather than a cost , reflecting the release of Cecil Allowance associated with the sold loans .
Speaker #3: Turning to HDFS loan origination activities. Total retail loan originations in Q4 were up 2%, coming in at $487 million. In Q4, commercial receivables came in at $949 million.
Speaker #3: At the end of the year . the prior Relative to year level of $1 billion , down 6% , reflecting overall lower dealer inventory levels in the channel .
Speaker #3: Gross total financing receivables were $2.0 billion at the end of 2025, where retail receivables were $1.0 billion and commercial receivables were $949 million.
Craig Kennison: This is a significant change relative to a year ago, resulting from the sale of around $6 billion of HDFS retail loan receivables as part of the HDFS transaction. For comparison purposes, gross financing receivables were $7.7 billion at the end of 2024, which includes both retail loans and commercial financing. Total HDFS loan assets fell 74% year-over-year as we shift to a capital-light business model that carries less risk. Now, turning to slide 13 for the LiveWire segment. On a full year basis, electric motorcycle units increased by 7% and STACYC units increased by 15%, while consolidated revenue decreased by 3% due to increased incentives associated with the Twist-and-Go promotion. LiveWire maintained its position as number one retailer in the US 50-plus horsepower on-road EV segment and had its second consecutive record-setting quarter for retail sales.
Jonathan Root: This is a significant change relative to a year ago, resulting from the sale of around $6 billion of HDFS retail loan receivables as part of the HDFS transaction. For comparison purposes, gross financing receivables were $7.7 billion at the end of 2024, which includes both retail loans and commercial financing. Total HDFS loan assets fell 74% year-over-year as we shift to a capital-light business model that carries less risk. Now, turning to slide 13 for the LiveWire segment. On a full year basis, electric motorcycle units increased by 7% and STACYC units increased by 15%, while consolidated revenue decreased by 3% due to increased incentives associated with the Twist-and-Go promotion. LiveWire maintained its position as number one retailer in the US 50-plus horsepower on-road EV segment and had its second consecutive record-setting quarter for retail sales.
Speaker #3: This is a significant change relative to a year ago, resulting from the sale of around $6 billion of HDFS retail loan receivables as part of the HDFS transaction.
Speaker #3: For comparison purposes , gross financing receivables were $7.7 billion at the end of 2024 , both retail which and loans includes commercial financing .
Speaker #3: HDFS Total loan assets fell 74% year over as year we shift to a capital light business model that carries less risk . Now turning to slide 13 for the Livewire segment on a full year basis , electric motorcycle units increased by 7% and units increased by 15% , consolidated revenue decreased by 3% due to increased incentives associated with the twist and go promotion .
Speaker #3: Livewire maintained its position as number one retailer in the US . 50 plus horsepower on road EV segment , and had its second consecutive record setting quarter for retail sales .
Craig Kennison: Consolidated operating loss decreased by 32%, driving a 45% decrease in net cash used during the year, excluding the $75 million of proceeds from the term loan with HD. During Q4 of 2025, LiveWire consolidated revenue increased by 9%, driven by a 61% increase in electric motorcycle units and a 7% increase in STACYC units. Consolidated operating loss decreased by 30%. For 2026, LiveWire's focus is on the launch of its S4 Honcho products, with production targeted to begin in the spring of 2026, continued network expansion, cost savings and improvement, and product innovation and development focused on profitable products. Now, turning to slide 14. Wrapping up with consolidated Harley-Davidson, Inc. financial results, we delivered $569 million of operating cash flow in full year 2025, which was down from $1.064 billion in full year 2024.
Jonathan Root: Consolidated operating loss decreased by 32%, driving a 45% decrease in net cash used during the year, excluding the $75 million of proceeds from the term loan with HD. During Q4 of 2025, LiveWire consolidated revenue increased by 9%, driven by a 61% increase in electric motorcycle units and a 7% increase in STACYC units. Consolidated operating loss decreased by 30%. For 2026, LiveWire's focus is on the launch of its S4 Honcho products, with production targeted to begin in the spring of 2026, continued network expansion, cost savings and improvement, and product innovation and development focused on profitable products. Now, turning to slide 14. Wrapping up with consolidated Harley-Davidson, Inc. financial results, we delivered $569 million of operating cash flow in full year 2025, which was down from $1.064 billion in full year 2024.
Speaker #3: Consolidated operating loss decreased by 32%, driving a 45% decrease in net cash used during the year. Excluding the $75 million of proceeds from the term,
Speaker #3: Loan with HD during Q4 of 2025 , Livewire consolidated revenue increased by 9% , driven by a 61% increase in electric motorcycle units and a 7% increase in basic units .
Speaker #3: operating loss decreased Consolidated by 30% for 2026 . Livewire is focused is on the launch of its S-4 honcho products , with production targeted to begin in the spring of 2026 .
Speaker #3: network Continued expansion , cost and savings improvement , and product innovation and development focused on profitable products . Now turning to slide 14 , wrapping up with consolidated Harley-Davidson , Inc. financial results .
Speaker #3: We delivered $569 million of operating cash flow in full year 2025, which was down from $1.0 billion in full year 2020. The decrease in operating cash flow was driven by lower shipment motorcycle volumes and unfavorable manufacturing and tariff costs.
Craig Kennison: The decrease in operating cash flow was driven by lower motorcycle shipment volumes and unfavorable manufacturing and tariff costs, as well as originations of retail finance receivables classified as held for sale, which are classified as operating cash outflows. There were no originations of retail finance receivables held for sale in 2024, but the net outflows related to this activity contributed to the decrease in operating cash flows. Total cash and cash equivalents ended at $3.1 billion, which was $1.5 billion higher than a year ago. The HDFS transaction facilitated a dividend of $1 billion from HDFS to HDI in Q4, which, together with a further dividend expected to be paid in Q1, results in a total dividend that will be consistent with our original expectations. In addition, HDFS debt will be further reduced by the maturity of a $700 million medium-term note in Q2.
Jonathan Root: The decrease in operating cash flow was driven by lower motorcycle shipment volumes and unfavorable manufacturing and tariff costs, as well as originations of retail finance receivables classified as held for sale, which are classified as operating cash outflows. There were no originations of retail finance receivables held for sale in 2024, but the net outflows related to this activity contributed to the decrease in operating cash flows. Total cash and cash equivalents ended at $3.1 billion, which was $1.5 billion higher than a year ago. The HDFS transaction facilitated a dividend of $1 billion from HDFS to HDI in Q4, which, together with a further dividend expected to be paid in Q1, results in a total dividend that will be consistent with our original expectations. In addition, HDFS debt will be further reduced by the maturity of a $700 million medium-term note in Q2.
Speaker #3: As well as originations of retail finance receivables classified as held for sale, which are classified as operating cash outflows. There were no originations of retail finance receivables held for sale in 2024.
Speaker #3: For the net outflows related to this activity contributed to the decrease in operating cash flows . Total cash equivalents ended cash and at which was $1.5 billion higher than a year ago .
Speaker #3: HDFS The transaction facilitated a dividend of $1 billion from HDFS to in HDI Q4 , which further , together with a dividend expected to be paid in Q1 , results in a total dividend that will be consistent with our original expectation .
Speaker #3: In addition , HDFS debt will be further reduced by the maturity of a Euro $700 million medium term note in Q2 , as part of our capital allocation strategy in Q4 , we entered into an accelerated share repurchase agreement with Goldman Sachs to repurchase $200 million of shares of the company's common stock .
Craig Kennison: As part of our capital allocation strategy, in Q4, we entered into an accelerated share repurchase agreement with Goldman Sachs to repurchase $200 million of shares of the company's common stock. We entered into the $200 million ASR, and $160 million was delivered before 31 December 2025, with the remainder in early 2026. For the full year 2025, we repurchased a total value of $347 million, or 13.1 million shares in total, which represents around 11% of 31 December 2024 shares outstanding. This amount includes the aforementioned ASR agreement. Now, turning to slide 16. While 2025 was a more volatile and challenging year than we had anticipated, we look to 2026, where we start the year at more appropriate dealer inventory levels and look to reset the business toward a more stable operating and financial future.
Jonathan Root: As part of our capital allocation strategy, in Q4, we entered into an accelerated share repurchase agreement with Goldman Sachs to repurchase $200 million of shares of the company's common stock. We entered into the $200 million ASR, and $160 million was delivered before 31 December 2025, with the remainder in early 2026. For the full year 2025, we repurchased a total value of $347 million, or 13.1 million shares in total, which represents around 11% of 31 December 2024 shares outstanding. This amount includes the aforementioned ASR agreement. Now, turning to slide 16. While 2025 was a more volatile and challenging year than we had anticipated, we look to 2026, where we start the year at more appropriate dealer inventory levels and look to reset the business toward a more stable operating and financial future.
Speaker #3: We entered into the $200 million ASR and $160 million was delivered before 1231 , with the remainder in early 2026 . For the full year 2025 , total value repurchased a we of $347 million , or 13.1 million shares in total , which represents around 11% of December 31st , 2024 .
Speaker #3: Shares outstanding . This amount includes the aforementioned ASR agreement . Now turning to slide 16 . While 2025 was a more volatile and challenging year than we had anticipated , we looked to 2026 where we start the year at more appropriate dealer inventory levels and look to reset the business toward a more stable operating and financial future .
Craig Kennison: As we look to our financial outlook for 2026, we remain pleased with our leading market share position in the US. New model year 2026 motorcycle launch, including the all-new redesigned Trike models, as well as the long-haul Touring, and the introduction of a more affordable lineup of motorcycles with a focus on critical price point motorcycles to help stoke demand. At HDFS, we expect retail units of 130,000 to 135,000. We expect wholesale units of 130,000 to 135,000. As you can see, we believe that global dealer inventory levels are at appropriate total levels, with some need to balance by model and family. Therefore, we expect retail and wholesale to have a largely one-to-one relationship in 2026. At the same time, we expect production units at HDFS to be lower than wholesale units shipped in 2026, as we work to prudently manage overall company inventory levels.
Jonathan Root: As we look to our financial outlook for 2026, we remain pleased with our leading market share position in the US. New model year 2026 motorcycle launch, including the all-new redesigned Trike models, as well as the long-haul Touring, and the introduction of a more affordable lineup of motorcycles with a focus on critical price point motorcycles to help stoke demand. At HDFS, we expect retail units of 130,000 to 135,000. We expect wholesale units of 130,000 to 135,000. As you can see, we believe that global dealer inventory levels are at appropriate total levels, with some need to balance by model and family. Therefore, we expect retail and wholesale to have a largely one-to-one relationship in 2026. At the same time, we expect production units at HDFS to be lower than wholesale units shipped in 2026, as we work to prudently manage overall company inventory levels.
Speaker #3: look to our As we financial outlook for 2026 , we remain pleased with our leading market share position in the US . New model year 26 motorcycle launch , including the all new redesigned trike models , as well as the long haul touring and the introduction of a more affordable lineup of motorcycles with a focus on critical price point motorcycles to help demand stoke at Hdmc , we expect retail units of 130,000 to 135,000 .
Speaker #3: We expect wholesale units of 130,000 to 135,000 . As you can see , we believe that global dealer levels inventory are at appropriate total levels , with some need to balance by model and family .
Speaker #3: expect retail and wholesale Therefore we to have a largely 1 to 1 relationship in 2026 . At time , the same we expect production units at Hdmc to be lower than wholesale units shipped in 2026 .
Craig Kennison: For 2026, we expect this will have a deleverage impact, which will pressure operating leverage when it comes to operating margins. In addition, we expect to face a greater overall cost for incremental tariffs in 2026, which are likely to be applied more uniformly over the entire calendar year, whereas 2025 experienced partial application during the year and was backloaded. As a reminder, in full year 2025, we incurred a cost of $67 million in new or increased tariffs, and in 2026, we forecast a cost of between $75 million to $105 million of new or increased tariffs based on current tariff levels versus a 2024 baseline. At HDFS, we expect operating income of positive $10 million to a loss of $40 million. At HDFS, we expect operating income of $45 million to $60 million.
Jonathan Root: For 2026, we expect this will have a deleverage impact, which will pressure operating leverage when it comes to operating margins. In addition, we expect to face a greater overall cost for incremental tariffs in 2026, which are likely to be applied more uniformly over the entire calendar year, whereas 2025 experienced partial application during the year and was backloaded. As a reminder, in full year 2025, we incurred a cost of $67 million in new or increased tariffs, and in 2026, we forecast a cost of between $75 million to $105 million of new or increased tariffs based on current tariff levels versus a 2024 baseline. At HDFS, we expect operating income of positive $10 million to a loss of $40 million. At HDFS, we expect operating income of $45 million to $60 million.
Speaker #3: As we work to prudently manage overall inventory levels for 2026 , we expect this will have a deleverage impact , which will pressure operating leverage when it comes to operating margins .
Speaker #3: In addition, we expect to face a greater cost for overall incremental tariffs in 2026, which are likely to be applied more uniformly over the entire calendar year.
Speaker #3: Whereas 2025 experienced partial application and during the year was . As a backloaded in full year 2025 , reminder , we incurred a cost of $67 million in new or increased tariffs , and in 2026 , we forecast a cost of between 75 million to $105 million of new or increased tariffs based on current tariff levels and versus a 2024 baseline at Hdmc .
Speaker #3: We expect operating income of positive $10 million to a loss of $40 million at HDFS , we expect operating income of 45 million to $60 million .
Craig Kennison: The forecast is based on the new business model at HDFS, given the HDFS transaction, where Harley-Davidson Financial Services now employs a capital-light, derisked business model and has significantly changed financial earnings profile relative to before the transaction was done, particularly in the near term. Additionally, both retail and wholesale asset levels are lower than we previously believed, and non-servicing fee income is also being viewed more cautiously. At LiveWire, LiveWire is forecasting an operating loss in the range of $70 million to $80 million. These guidance elements exclude impacts from our updated strategic plan, which we are looking forward to announcing in May, along with Q1 earnings. And with that, we'll open it up to Q&A.
Jonathan Root: The forecast is based on the new business model at HDFS, given the HDFS transaction, where Harley-Davidson Financial Services now employs a capital-light, derisked business model and has significantly changed financial earnings profile relative to before the transaction was done, particularly in the near term. Additionally, both retail and wholesale asset levels are lower than we previously believed, and non-servicing fee income is also being viewed more cautiously. At LiveWire, LiveWire is forecasting an operating loss in the range of $70 million to $80 million. These guidance elements exclude impacts from our updated strategic plan, which we are looking forward to announcing in May, along with Q1 earnings. And with that, we'll open it up to Q&A.
Speaker #3: The forecast is based on the new model at HDFS . HDFS transaction where Harley-Davidson Financial Services now employs a capital light business model and has significantly changed financial earnings profile relative to before the transaction was done , particularly in the near term .
Speaker #3: Additionally, both retail and wholesale levels are lower than asset, we believe, and previously servicing fee non-income is also being viewed more cautiously at LiveWire.
Speaker #3: Livewire is forecasting and operating loss in the range of 70 million to $80 million . These guidance elements exclude impacts from our updated strategic plan , which we are looking forward to announcing in May , along with Q1 earnings and with that , we'll open it up Q&A to .
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We also ask you to limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for additional questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from Craig Kennison with Baird.
Operator: Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We also ask you to limit yourself to one question and return to the queue for additional questions. Thank you. Your first question comes from Craig Kennison with Baird.
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Craig Kennison: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question on HDFS. Just based on the message that came out of the HDFS transaction last year, I think the expectation was that HDFS operating income could be maybe half of what it used to be, so at least $100 million. Granted, that was just an expectation that came out of the presentation materials, but you're looking to be about half of that. Maybe help us unpack what's going on with the math behind HDFS and what the long-term profitability of that business should look like.
Craig Kennison: Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question on HDFS. Just based on the message that came out of the HDFS transaction last year, I think the expectation was that HDFS operating income could be maybe half of what it used to be, so at least $100 million. Granted, that was just an expectation that came out of the presentation materials, but you're looking to be about half of that. Maybe help us unpack what's going on with the math behind HDFS and what the long-term profitability of that business should look like.
Speaker #4: morning . Hey , good Thank you for taking my question on HDFS . Just , you know , based on the message that came out of HDFS transaction last year , I think the expectation was that HDFS operating income could be maybe half of what it used to be .
Speaker #4: least $100 million . Granted , that was just a expectation that came out of the presentation materials . But but you're looking to be about half of that maybe help us unpack what's going on with the math behind HDFS and what the long term profitability that of business should look like .
Artie Starrs: All right. Hey, Craig. How you doing? Thank you for your question today. So obviously, from an HDFS standpoint, as we take a look at what we're guiding to, as you say, for 2026, we have a guide for the HDFS business to come in between $45 and $60 million. As we flow forward and look to kind of a standard run rate for this business, which will probably take us 2.5, 3 years to get to that point, we would view kind of at the midpoint that HDFS would be on a standardized basis, making approximately triple the midpoint. So that's where we think the business goes long-term, as we think about some of the short-term related impacts and where is there a difference versus what we envision.
Jonathan Root: All right. Hey, Craig. How you doing? Thank you for your question today. So obviously, from an HDFS standpoint, as we take a look at what we're guiding to, as you say, for 2026, we have a guide for the HDFS business to come in between $45 and $60 million. As we flow forward and look to kind of a standard run rate for this business, which will probably take us 2.5, 3 years to get to that point, we would view kind of at the midpoint that HDFS would be on a standardized basis, making approximately triple the midpoint. So that's where we think the business goes long-term, as we think about some of the short-term related impacts and where is there a difference versus what we envision.
Speaker #3: All right . Hey , Greg , how are you doing ? Thank you for your today . question So obviously HDFS , Chairman standpoint , as we take a look at what to , we're guiding as you say for 2026 , we have a guide for HDFS business to come in between 45 and $60 million .
Speaker #3: As we go forward and look to kind of a standard for this run rate business , which will probably take us , you know , two and a half , three years to get to that point .
Speaker #3: would We view kind of at the midpoint that HDFS would be would be on a standardized basis , making approximately triple the midpoint .
Speaker #3: So that's where we think the business goes long term. As we think about some of the short-related impacts, and where is there a difference versus the envision.
Artie Starrs: We obviously have a cautious outlook relative to what we're looking at from an overall volume standpoint, and so we're being careful and considered there. And then in addition, with what you saw with our Q4 year-end results, with dealer inventory down significantly and more than what we envisioned, obviously, we have lower wholesale assets too, so that pressures earnings power of that business. So hopefully, that explains what you're looking for and provides the perspective.
Jonathan Root: We obviously have a cautious outlook relative to what we're looking at from an overall volume standpoint, and so we're being careful and considered there. And then in addition, with what you saw with our Q4 year-end results, with dealer inventory down significantly and more than what we envisioned, obviously, we have lower wholesale assets too, so that pressures earnings power of that business. So hopefully, that explains what you're looking for and provides the perspective.
Speaker #3: We're obviously have a outlook cautious relative to what we're looking at from an overall volume standpoint . And so we're being careful and considered there .
Speaker #3: And then in addition , with what you saw with our with our Q4 year end results , with dealer inventory down significantly and more than what we envisioned , obviously we have lower wholesale assets too .
Speaker #3: So that pressures earnings power of that business . So hopefully that explains what you're looking for and provides the perspective .
Craig Kennison: Do you need more retail and more wholesale stock units in order to triple that income, or are there other adjustments, Jonathan?
Craig Kennison: Do you need more retail and more wholesale stock units in order to triple that income, or are there other adjustments, Jonathan?
Speaker #4: So do you need more retail wholesale stock units in order to triple that income , or are there other adjustments anything ?
Artie Starrs: Yeah, no, just time for the retail assets to kind of flow their way in. So obviously, we need multiple years of kind of rebuilding the balance sheet in order to drive what we need from an income statement standpoint in that business. And then, as we talked about, wholesale levels are lower than what we envisioned with already focus on how we really maintain tight and disciplined inventory with our dealers.
Jonathan Root: Yeah, no, just time for the retail assets to kind of flow their way in. So obviously, we need multiple years of kind of rebuilding the balance sheet in order to drive what we need from an income statement standpoint in that business. And then, as we talked about, wholesale levels are lower than what we envisioned with already focus on how we really maintain tight and disciplined inventory with our dealers.
Speaker #3: No . Just Yeah . time . Time for those to time for the retail assets to kind of flow their way in . So obviously we need multiple years of building , kind of rebuilding the , the balance sheet in order to drive what we need from an income statement standpoint in that business .
Speaker #3: And then as we wholesale wholesale levels are lower than what we envisioned with Ards , focus on how we really maintain tight and disciplined inventory with our dealers .
Craig Kennison: That makes sense. Thank you.
Craig Kennison: That makes sense. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Operator: Your next question comes from Noah Zatzkin with KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Speaker #4: makes That sense . Thank you .
Noah Zatzkin: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I guess just on kind of the wholesale guidance, you kind of talked about a one-for-one dynamic. Obviously, the implication is shipment growth in 2026. So I guess in terms of cadence, how should we think about that building through the year? And then on inventory levels, I guess is the implication that you're kind of more comfortable now with where you're sitting at the end of the year? Thanks.
Noah Zatzkin: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I guess just on kind of the wholesale guidance, you kind of talked about a one-for-one dynamic. Obviously, the implication is shipment growth in 2026. So I guess in terms of cadence, how should we think about that building through the year? And then on inventory levels, I guess is the implication that you're kind of more comfortable now with where you're sitting at the end of the year? Thanks.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Noah Zetkin with Capital KeyBanc Markets.
Speaker #5: Hi . Thanks for taking my question . I guess just on kind of the the wholesale guidance , you know , you kind of talked about a one for one dynamic .
Speaker #5: Obviously implication is the the , you know , shipment growth in 26 . So I guess in terms of cadence , how should we think about that building through the year ?
Speaker #5: inventory then on levels And , like I the guess is implication that you're kind of more comfortable now with where you're at the end sitting of the year .
Artie Starrs: Sure. So why don't I start a little bit with cadence, and then maybe we'll have Artie talk through total inventory levels and provide a little bit of commentary around that. So from a cadence standpoint, as we think about wholesale shipments and the way that will look on a year-over-year basis, again, we're being what I would define as careful and considered in what we're sending into the dealer network. So Q1 of 2026 will probably be down from a wholesale shipment perspective, down a little bit versus where we were in Q1 of prior year. We think that we'll end up kind of popping up a little bit higher in early Q2, so making sure that we have dealers who are well positioned for when the season is starting.
Jonathan Root: Sure. So why don't I start a little bit with cadence, and then maybe we'll have Artie talk through total inventory levels and provide a little bit of commentary around that. So from a cadence standpoint, as we think about wholesale shipments and the way that will look on a year-over-year basis, again, we're being what I would define as careful and considered in what we're sending into the dealer network. So Q1 of 2026 will probably be down from a wholesale shipment perspective, down a little bit versus where we were in Q1 of prior year. We think that we'll end up kind of popping up a little bit higher in early Q2, so making sure that we have dealers who are well positioned for when the season is starting.
Speaker #5: Thanks .
Speaker #3: Sure . So why don't I start a little bit with cadence and then maybe we'll have Artie talk through total inventory levels and , and provide a little commentary bit of around that .
Speaker #3: So a , from from a cadence standpoint , as we think about wholesale shipments and the way that will look on a year over year basis , again , we're being a what I would define as , you know , careful , careful and considered in what we're sending into the dealer network .
Speaker #3: So Q1 of of 2026 will probably be down from a , from a wholesale shipment perspective , down a little bit versus where we were in prior year Q1 of .
Speaker #3: that We think we'll end up kind of popping up a little bit higher in in early Q2 . So making sure that we have dealers who are who are well positioned for when the season is starting .
Artie Starrs: So we're not asking them to carry that inventory in the January, February timeframe, but we do want them to be appropriately positioned from an inventory standpoint. So Q2 wholesale shipments will be a little bit higher than prior year. Then as we take a look at how we walk into Q3, Q3, again, probably just a little bit lower as we work through some timing elements within the portfolio and some things that occur from that standpoint. And then as we end up ending Q4, obviously, we were pretty measured in what we shipped into the dealer network in Q4 of 2025. So there's room for a pretty material change in what we're sending in Q4 of 2026.
Jonathan Root: So we're not asking them to carry that inventory in the January, February timeframe, but we do want them to be appropriately positioned from an inventory standpoint. So Q2 wholesale shipments will be a little bit higher than prior year. Then as we take a look at how we walk into Q3, Q3, again, probably just a little bit lower as we work through some timing elements within the portfolio and some things that occur from that standpoint. And then as we end up ending Q4, obviously, we were pretty measured in what we shipped into the dealer network in Q4 of 2025. So there's room for a pretty material change in what we're sending in Q4 of 2026.
Speaker #3: So we're not asking them to carry that inventory in the January February time frame . But we do want them to be to be appropriately positioned from an inventory standpoint .
Speaker #3: So Q2 wholesale shipments will be a little bit higher than prior year . Then as we take a look at how we walk into Q3 , Q3 again .
Speaker #3: Probably just a little bit , a little bit lower as we work through some some timing elements within the portfolio and some things that occur from that standpoint .
Speaker #3: And then as we end up ending Q4 , obviously we were we were pretty measured in what we shipped into the dealer network in Q4 of 25 .
Speaker #3: So there's room for pretty a , pretty material we're change sending in what in Q4 So of 2026 . if you certainly , kind of take all of those different factors a little bit more back loaded from a shipment cadence in second half of the year versus the first half , and even with that sort of a little bit more toward Q4 and then .
Artie Starrs: So certainly, as you kind of take all of those different factors a little bit more backloaded from a shipment cadence in the second half of the year versus the first half, and even with that sort of a little bit more toward Q4. And then Artie just consolidated.
Jonathan Root: So certainly, as you kind of take all of those different factors a little bit more backloaded from a shipment cadence in the second half of the year versus the first half, and even with that sort of a little bit more toward Q4. And then Artie just consolidated.
Craig Kennison: Yeah, no, just broadly on inventory, the focus is on supporting our dealers in selling through the Touring inventory. We remain pleased with the progress there. There's still support there, and we'll continue to be. And we're also pleased with the 2026 model year launch, a lot of enthusiasm in the market. So we'll be monitoring that closely. And in my script and in these comments, just want to be abundantly clear, we're hyper-focused on healthy inventory levels, and the focus is on the model year 2025 Touring right now.
Artie Starrs: Yeah, no, just broadly on inventory, the focus is on supporting our dealers in selling through the Touring inventory. We remain pleased with the progress there. There's still support there, and we'll continue to be. And we're also pleased with the 2026 model year launch, a lot of enthusiasm in the market. So we'll be monitoring that closely. And in my script and in these comments, just want to be abundantly clear, we're hyper-focused on healthy inventory levels, and the focus is on the model year 2025 Touring right now.
Speaker #2: Yeah , no , just broadly on inventory , you know , the focus is on supporting our dealers and selling through the touring inventory .
Speaker #2: We remain pleased with the progress there. There's still support there, and we'll continue to be. And we're also pleased with the '26 model year launch.
Speaker #2: A lot of enthusiasm in the market . So we'll monitoring be that closely . But , you know , my and in script and in these comments just want to be abundantly clear , we're we're hyper focused on healthy inventory levels .
Speaker #2: And the focus is on the model year 25 touring . Right now .
Operator: Your next question comes from Robin Farley with UBS.
Operator: Your next question comes from Robin Farley with UBS.
Robin Farley: Great. Thank you. I wanted to ask a little bit about your expectation for retail to be flat globally. Just wondering what that counts on for US retail, and then also just kind of what's behind the expectation of flat, just how you're thinking that, how you're coming to that expectation. And then if I could just also, by the way, just squeeze in a quick clarifying point on LiveWire. I think previously, the expectation had been that you were limiting the kind of losses you would underwrite. And is it fair to say, based on the guidance you're giving for 2026, that you are willing to continue to invest or see LiveWire maybe lose more than kind of the commentary last year? Thank you.
Robin Farley: Great. Thank you. I wanted to ask a little bit about your expectation for retail to be flat globally. Just wondering what that counts on for US retail, and then also just kind of what's behind the expectation of flat, just how you're thinking that, how you're coming to that expectation. And then if I could just also, by the way, just squeeze in a quick clarifying point on LiveWire. I think previously, the expectation had been that you were limiting the kind of losses you would underwrite. And is it fair to say, based on the guidance you're giving for 2026, that you are willing to continue to invest or see LiveWire maybe lose more than kind of the commentary last year? Thank you.
Speaker #1: Next question comes from Robin Farley with UBS.
Speaker #6: Thank you. Great. I wanted to ask a little bit about your expectation for retail to be flat globally. Just wondering what that counts on for.
Speaker #6: For us retail . And then also just kind of what's what's behind the expectation of flat , you know , just you're how thinking that how you're coming to that expectation .
Speaker #6: And then if I could just also by the way , just squeeze in a quick clarifying point on Livewire , I think previously the expectation that you had been were limiting the kind of losses you would underwrite and is it fair to say , based on the guidance you're giving for 26 , that you are willing to continue to or invest see Livewire , maybe lose than more kind of the commentary ?
Craig Kennison: Hey, Robin. It's Artie. Thank you for the question. I'll take the LiveWire one, and then Jonathan will walk through the retail forecast. I mean, on LiveWire, we extended the $75 million loan, which was originally $100 million. So we worked through that with them, and they're actioning other sources of capital at this point in time. So in terms of funding the operating losses or so on, we've extended our commitment on the loan, and that's it. So Jonathan, you can walk through the retail piece.
Artie Starrs: Hey, Robin. It's Artie. Thank you for the question. I'll take the LiveWire one, and then Jonathan will walk through the retail forecast. I mean, on LiveWire, we extended the $75 million loan, which was originally $100 million. So we worked through that with them, and they're actioning other sources of capital at this point in time. So in terms of funding the operating losses or so on, we've extended our commitment on the loan, and that's it. So Jonathan, you can walk through the retail piece.
Speaker #6: Last year ? you Thank .
Speaker #2: Hey , Robin , it's Artie , thank you for the question . I'll take the Livewire one and then Jonathan , I'll walk through the retail On forecast .
Speaker #2: Livewire . We , you know , we extended the $75 million loan , which is originally a 100 million . So we we worked through that with them .
Speaker #2: And they're they're actioning , you know , other sources of capital at this point in time . So in terms of funding , the operating losses and so on , we've we've extended our commitment on the loan and , and that's it .
Artie Starrs: Okay. Sounds good. Thanks, Artie. Hi, Robin. So on the, I think you asked about US specifically from a retail standpoint. So as we flow through and take a look at it, we're obviously really, really excited about what's happening with the introduction of the new Limited. So as we take a look at where we are from an overall retail sales perspective, we do envision that we have a little bit of upside in terms of 2026 versus 2025 from a Touring standpoint for a couple of reasons. You heard Artie talk about our focus on 2025 model year sell-down and how that was focused around Touring. So at retail, that actually really helps us in terms of moving through the 2025 Touring bikes and what we have.
Jonathan Root: Okay. Sounds good. Thanks, Artie. Hi, Robin. So on the, I think you asked about US specifically from a retail standpoint. So as we flow through and take a look at it, we're obviously really, really excited about what's happening with the introduction of the new Limited. So as we take a look at where we are from an overall retail sales perspective, we do envision that we have a little bit of upside in terms of 2026 versus 2025 from a Touring standpoint for a couple of reasons. You heard Artie talk about our focus on 2025 model year sell-down and how that was focused around Touring. So at retail, that actually really helps us in terms of moving through the 2025 Touring bikes and what we have.
Speaker #2: So , Jonathan , you can walk through the the retail piece , okay .
Speaker #3: Sounds good . Thanks , howdy . Hi , Robin so on the . So on the US about us specifically from a retail standpoint .
Speaker #3: So as we flow through and take a look at it , we're obviously really , really excited about what what's happening with the introduction of the new limited .
Speaker #3: So take as we a look at where we are from , an overall overall retail sales perspective , we do envision that we have a little bit of upside in terms of 26 25 from versus a standpoint tourist , for a couple of reasons .
Speaker #3: already talk You heard our focus on 25 model year sell down and how that was focused around touring . So at that retail , actually really helps us in terms of moving through the 25 touring bikes and what we have stacked on top of that is the new limited and the new limiteds that hit .
Artie Starrs: Stacked on top of that is the new Limited and the new Limiteds that hit, and we're really excited about those and the initial reception to that. So a lot of enthusiasm from our dealer network around sold orders and what they're seeing on that front. As we move along on the retail side, we also have the introduction of the new Trikes. Again, as we look at dealer enthusiasm, customer feedback around what those look like, we're really proud of what our engineering team has done from a suspension perspective. So as you think through handling and the way that that motorcycle performs, some real positives, I think, in terms of how customers will feel and enjoy that motorcycle. So a little bit of enthusiasm in terms of where we sit from a Trike perspective. And then just a couple more pieces that I'll touch on quickly.
Jonathan Root: Stacked on top of that is the new Limited and the new Limiteds that hit, and we're really excited about those and the initial reception to that. So a lot of enthusiasm from our dealer network around sold orders and what they're seeing on that front. As we move along on the retail side, we also have the introduction of the new Trikes. Again, as we look at dealer enthusiasm, customer feedback around what those look like, we're really proud of what our engineering team has done from a suspension perspective. So as you think through handling and the way that that motorcycle performs, some real positives, I think, in terms of how customers will feel and enjoy that motorcycle. So a little bit of enthusiasm in terms of where we sit from a Trike perspective. And then just a couple more pieces that I'll touch on quickly.
Speaker #3: And we're really excited about those and the and the initial reception to that . So a lot of enthusiasm from our dealer network around sold orders and what they're seeing on that front as we move along on the retail side , we also have the introduction of the new bikes .
Speaker #3: Again , as we look at dealer enthusiasm , customer feedback around what those look like , we're really proud of what our engineering team has done from the suspension perspective .
Speaker #3: So as you think through handling and the way that that motorcycle performs, some real positives, I think, in terms of how that feels and will enjoy customers' motorcycle.
Speaker #3: So so of a little bit enthusiasm in terms of where we sit from a perspective and then just a couple more pieces that I'll touch on quickly as we take a look .
Artie Starrs: As we take a look, we are being careful and considered in what CVO retail and CVO wholesale shipments ship-in looks like. We do want to make sure that those bikes really are put up on a pedestal and we're being thoughtful about what we're shipping in, which obviously will challenge retail a little bit within that particular family. Then overall, we have the full year of soft sales. So really, really excited that we have dealers who are well positioned. We've kind of moved some price points in a way that are pretty customer-friendly. So overall, feeling good about where that is. Those are many of the puts and takes for 2026.
Jonathan Root: As we take a look, we are being careful and considered in what CVO retail and CVO wholesale shipments ship-in looks like. We do want to make sure that those bikes really are put up on a pedestal and we're being thoughtful about what we're shipping in, which obviously will challenge retail a little bit within that particular family. Then overall, we have the full year of soft sales. So really, really excited that we have dealers who are well positioned. We've kind of moved some price points in a way that are pretty customer-friendly. So overall, feeling good about where that is. Those are many of the puts and takes for 2026.
Speaker #3: We are being careful and considered in what CVO retail and CVO wholesale shipments ship looks like . We do want to make sure that those bikes really are put up on a pedestal , and we're being thoughtful about what we're shipping in , which obviously will challenge retail a little bit within that particular family .
Speaker #3: And then overall we have the full year of of soft sales . So really really , excited that we have dealers who are well positioned .
Speaker #3: We've kind of moved some price points in a way that are pretty customer friendly so . And overall feeling good about where that is .
Operator: Great. Your next question comes from Tristan Thomas with BMO Capital Markets.
Operator: Great. Your next question comes from Tristan Thomas with BMO Capital Markets.
Speaker #3: So those are those are many of the puts and takes for 2026 .
Speaker #6: Great .
Tristan Thomas-Martin: Hey, good morning. The $150 million of annual run rate savings in 2027 and beyond that you guys called out, is that spread among all 3 segments? And then also, is there any way to anything you could provide us kind of with cadence of that next year specifically would be very helpful as we build out our models? Thanks.
Tristan Thomas: Hey, good morning. The $150 million of annual run rate savings in 2027 and beyond that you guys called out, is that spread among all 3 segments? And then also, is there any way to anything you could provide us kind of with cadence of that next year specifically would be very helpful as we build out our models? Thanks.
Speaker #1: next question Your comes from Tristan Thomas with Capital BMO Markets .
Speaker #6: Hey good .
Speaker #7: Morning . Can you just the $150 million of annual run rate savings in 2027 ? Beyond that , you guys called out , is that spread among all three segments ?
Speaker #7: And then also , is there any way to anything you could provide us with cadence of that next year specifically , would be very helpful as out our we build models .
Craig Kennison: Yeah, hey, Tristan. I'll take that. The $150 million would not incorporate anything at LiveWire. That would just be the motor company and HDFS. And in terms of cadence, we would expect to realize some of those savings beginning in the back half of this year. We've not incorporated any restructuring charge in the guidance, so that would complement that. But we've been clear in saying we expect those savings to be realized on an annual basis starting in 2027.
Artie Starrs: Yeah, hey, Tristan. I'll take that. The $150 million would not incorporate anything at LiveWire. That would just be the motor company and HDFS. And in terms of cadence, we would expect to realize some of those savings beginning in the back half of this year. We've not incorporated any restructuring charge in the guidance, so that would complement that. But we've been clear in saying we expect those savings to be realized on an annual basis starting in 2027.
Speaker #7: Thanks .
Speaker #2: Yeah . Hey , Tristan , I'll take that . The $150 million would would not incorporate anything at Livewire that would just be the motor company .
Speaker #2: And and HDFS . And in terms of cadence , you know , we would expect to realize some of those savings , you know , beginning in the back half of this year , we've not incorporated any restructuring charge in the guidance .
Speaker #2: So that would complement that . But we've been clear in saying we expect those savings to be realized on an annual basis starting in 2027 .
Tristan Thomas-Martin: Great. Thank you.
Tristan Thomas: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from James Hardiman with Citi.
Operator: Your next question comes from James Hardiman with Citi.
Speaker #7: Great . Thank you .
James Hardiman: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. So any help you could give us sort of bridging what I think is about 4% to 8% wholesale growth, if I sort of use the wholesale guide, to where you ultimately land in terms of operating income, still being a modest loss on the HDMC side? Obviously, there's some tariffs in there. Sounds like there's some de-leverage as we think about sort of production versus wholesale. And then I guess I'm also curious on the ASP side or the mix side. I think what I'm hearing is that even though inventories for the year will be flat, touring will be down. So you're going to be undershipping touring. Just curious what impact that might have on ASP and/or mix? Thanks.
James Hardiman: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my call. So any help you could give us sort of bridging what I think is about 4% to 8% wholesale growth, if I sort of use the wholesale guide, to where you ultimately land in terms of operating income, still being a modest loss on the HDMC side? Obviously, there's some tariffs in there. Sounds like there's some de-leverage as we think about sort of production versus wholesale. And then I guess I'm also curious on the ASP side or the mix side. I think what I'm hearing is that even though inventories for the year will be flat, touring will be down. So you're going to be undershipping touring. Just curious what impact that might have on ASP and/or mix? Thanks.
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from James Hardiman with Citi.
Speaker #8: Hey , good morning . Thanks for taking my call . So any help you could give us sort of bridging what I think is about 4 to 8% wholesale growth if I , if I sort of use the wholesale guide to wear you ultimately land in terms of , of operating income still being , you know , a modest loss on , on the HCMC side , obviously there's some tariffs in there .
Speaker #8: Sounds like there's some deleverage as we think about sort of production versus wholesale . And I guess I'm also curious on the or the mix side .
Speaker #8: I think what I'm hearing is that even though inventories for the year will be flat , touring will down . So you're under shipping , touring .
Artie Starrs: Okay. Yeah, great question. Thank you, James. Hope you're doing well. As we take a look at where we are, we certainly have a number of factors that come into play as we look at motor company operating income in 2026 versus 2025. So you're right. If you kind of look kind of where we land from a midpoint perspective, really, really close to flat, we have a number of factors that come into play. So we have a full year of tariff exposure. So that adds about a $25 million headwind year over year. Again, going back to the tariff update page that we included within the deck, you can see some of the details there. Obviously, as we complete our final year, getting discipline back into the operating environment in terms of balancing out wholesale and production, that poses a little bit of a de-leverage challenge.
Jonathan Root: Okay. Yeah, great question. Thank you, James. Hope you're doing well. As we take a look at where we are, we certainly have a number of factors that come into play as we look at motor company operating income in 2026 versus 2025. So you're right. If you kind of look kind of where we land from a midpoint perspective, really, really close to flat, we have a number of factors that come into play. So we have a full year of tariff exposure. So that adds about a $25 million headwind year over year. Again, going back to the tariff update page that we included within the deck, you can see some of the details there. Obviously, as we complete our final year, getting discipline back into the operating environment in terms of balancing out wholesale and production, that poses a little bit of a de-leverage challenge.
Speaker #8: curious Just what impact that might have on ASP and or mix . Thanks .
Speaker #3: Okay . Yeah . Great question . Thank you James . Hope you're doing well . As we take a look at where we are , we certainly have a number of factors that come into play as we look at motor company operating income in 26 versus 25 .
Speaker #3: So you're right . If you kind of look kind of where we land from a midpoint perspective , really , really close to flat , we have a we have a number of factors that come into play .
Speaker #3: So we have a full year of tariff exposure . So that adds about a $25 million headwind year over year . Again , going back to the tariff update page that we included within the can see some of the details there .
Speaker #3: Obviously , as we complete our final year of getting disciplined back into the operating environment of in terms out balancing wholesale and production , that poses a little bit of a deleverage challenge .
Artie Starrs: And then we certainly have some associated supply chain impacts that we're contemplating. As you talked about, we do have a broadly 1-to-1 relationship between retail and wholesale, which does have an offsetting positive. And then as we look, there are some non-motorcycle implications around P&A and A&L. So all in as we look at where we are, if you do a midpoint comparison, just effectively sitting right on top and obviously an improved setup for out-year performance as we work through our final issues in 2026.
Jonathan Root: And then we certainly have some associated supply chain impacts that we're contemplating. As you talked about, we do have a broadly 1-to-1 relationship between retail and wholesale, which does have an offsetting positive. And then as we look, there are some non-motorcycle implications around P&A and A&L. So all in as we look at where we are, if you do a midpoint comparison, just effectively sitting right on top and obviously an improved setup for out-year performance as we work through our final issues in 2026.
Speaker #3: And then we certainly have some associated supply chain impacts that we're contemplating . As you talked about , we do have a broadly 1 to 1 relationship between retail and wholesale , which does have an offsetting positive .
Speaker #3: And then as we as we look , there are some motorcycle non implications around . P and A and A and L . So all in as we look at where we are , if you do a midpoint comparison just effectively sitting right on top .
Speaker #3: And obviously an improved setup for out year performance as we work through our final issues in 20 .
James Hardiman: Got it.
James Hardiman: Got it.
Operator: Your next question comes from Brandon Rolle with Loop Capital.
Operator: Your next question comes from Brandon Rolle with Loop Capital.
Speaker #8: Got .
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Brandon Rollé: Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just had a question around the used versus new pricing spread. How do you feel about where that spread is right now? And obviously, with all this promotional activity, do you see that spread tightening as you kind of pull away the promotional activity, or is this something that the spread going to keep expanding as maybe prices go higher? And it seems like people are digging in lower and lower into the used values for a deal. Just any comments there on the spread? Thank you.
Brandon Rolle: Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I just had a question around the used versus new pricing spread. How do you feel about where that spread is right now? And obviously, with all this promotional activity, do you see that spread tightening as you kind of pull away the promotional activity, or is this something that the spread going to keep expanding as maybe prices go higher? And it seems like people are digging in lower and lower into the used values for a deal. Just any comments there on the spread? Thank you.
Speaker #1: question comes from Brendan Rose with Loop Capital .
Speaker #10: morning . Thank Good you for taking my question . I just had a question around the U.S versus new pricing spread . do you How where about spread is that right now ?
Speaker #10: know , obviously with all this And promotional activity , do you see that spread tightening as you kind of pull away the promotional ?
Speaker #10: activity Or is this something that spread going to keep as expanding maybe prices go higher and it seems like people are digging in lower and lower , you know , into the U.S values for a deal .
Artie Starrs: Okay. Thanks, Brandon. I'll start with a couple of numbers, and then maybe Artie can provide some perspective in addition. So I think from a couple of different factors as you speak about. So as we think about where we're sitting today from a Q1 standpoint, we were forthcoming in terms of the charge that we took in Q4 of 2025 in order to make sure that we were positioned to clear through touring in the way that Artie has talked about. So relative to the factor on the new side, as we think about affordability, monthly payments, and impacts for consumers, we recognize that we're putting some programs in market at the moment that are helping drive a reduction in the gap between new and used motorcycles. So we have some stimulus that we think is helping drive a really nice value equation for our customers.
Jonathan Root: Okay. Thanks, Brandon. I'll start with a couple of numbers, and then maybe Artie can provide some perspective in addition. So I think from a couple of different factors as you speak about. So as we think about where we're sitting today from a Q1 standpoint, we were forthcoming in terms of the charge that we took in Q4 of 2025 in order to make sure that we were positioned to clear through touring in the way that Artie has talked about. So relative to the factor on the new side, as we think about affordability, monthly payments, and impacts for consumers, we recognize that we're putting some programs in market at the moment that are helping drive a reduction in the gap between new and used motorcycles. So we have some stimulus that we think is helping drive a really nice value equation for our customers.
Speaker #10: Just any comments there on the spread. Thank you.
Speaker #3: Okay . Thanks , Brandon . I'll start with a with a couple of numbers and then maybe I can provide some perspective . In addition .
Speaker #3: So I think from a couple of different factors as you speak about . So as we think about where we're sitting today a from Q1 standpoint , we were forthcoming in terms of the charge that we took in in Q4 of 25 , in order to make sure that we were positioned to clear through tutoring in the way that has Artie talked .
Speaker #3: So , relative to relative to the factor on the new side , as we think about affordability , monthly payments and impacts for consumers .
Speaker #3: We we recognize that we're doing we're putting some programs in market at the moment that are helping drive a reduction in the gap between new and and used motorcycles .
Speaker #3: So we have some stimulus that we think is helping drive a really nice value equation for our customers. I think what's really exciting is that, in addition to that, as we take a look at what we're seeing on used values, we have seen sort of stabilization to some nice improvement in used values.
Artie Starrs: I think what's really exciting is that in addition to that, as we take a look at what we're seeing on used values, we have seen sort of stabilization of some nice improvement in used values and what we're seeing come through at both auction and retail on the used side. So I think that that dynamic is also helping us from an overall consumer standpoint. So a couple of nice factors to bring that together.
Jonathan Root: I think what's really exciting is that in addition to that, as we take a look at what we're seeing on used values, we have seen sort of stabilization of some nice improvement in used values and what we're seeing come through at both auction and retail on the used side. So I think that that dynamic is also helping us from an overall consumer standpoint. So a couple of nice factors to bring that together.
Speaker #3: And what we're seeing come through at both auction and retail on the used side . So I think that that dynamic is also helping us from an overall consumer standpoint .
Craig Kennison: Yeah. I think one of the insights we're seeing is that some of the parts of our portfolio that we've walked away from in recent years, the used values have jumped. It's informing some of our product development work. It's encouraging to see core equities that we've been known for a long time really responding quite well in the used market. It's informing some of the innovation that you're going to be seeing from us.
Artie Starrs: Yeah. I think one of the insights we're seeing is that some of the parts of our portfolio that we've walked away from in recent years, the used values have jumped. It's informing some of our product development work. It's encouraging to see core equities that we've been known for a long time really responding quite well in the used market. It's informing some of the innovation that you're going to be seeing from us.
Speaker #3: So, a couple of nice factors that bring that together.
Speaker #2: Yeah . And I think one of the insights we're seeing is that some of the parts of our portfolio that we've walked away recent years , the used values have jumped .
Speaker #2: So, it's informing some of our product development work. So, it's encouraging to see core equities that we've been known for a long time really responding quite well in the used market.
James Hardiman: Great. Thank you.
James Hardiman: Great. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Jaime Katz with Morningstar. Jaime, your line is open.
Operator: Your next question comes from Jaime Katz with Morningstar. Jaime, your line is open.
Speaker #2: And it's informing innovation, some of that you're going to be seeing from us.
Speaker #10: Thank Great . you .
Speaker #1: Your next question comes from Jamie Katz with Morningstar . Jamie , your line is open .
Jaime Katz: Hi. Sorry. I'm hoping that you guys can talk about maybe what you envision as the potential for the motor company operating margin beyond 2026. Do we go back to a high single-digit rate? Do you guys see more opportunity to expand margin if maybe we can get some volume improvement to take hold, and just sort of what you see as the potential for that segment over time?
Jaime Katz: Hi. Sorry. I'm hoping that you guys can talk about maybe what you envision as the potential for the motor company operating margin beyond 2026. Do we go back to a high single-digit rate? Do you guys see more opportunity to expand margin if maybe we can get some volume improvement to take hold, and just sort of what you see as the potential for that segment over time?
Speaker #11: Hi . Sorry hoping . I'm that you guys can talk about maybe what you envision as the potential for the motor company operating margin beyond 26 .
Speaker #11: Do we go back to a high single-digit rate? Do you guys see more opportunity to expand margin if maybe we can get some volume and improvement to hold take—just sort of what you see as the potential for that segment over time?
Craig Kennison: Yeah, Jamie, that's a great question and something we're going to clearly call out in our May investor meeting, strategy discussion, and earnings. So if you tune in then, I'll give you more detail. Obviously, we don't think the current results reflect the full potential of the company. So a lot of upside, and look forward to updating you in May.
Artie Starrs: Yeah, Jamie, that's a great question and something we're going to clearly call out in our May investor meeting, strategy discussion, and earnings. So if you tune in then, I'll give you more detail. Obviously, we don't think the current results reflect the full potential of the company. So a lot of upside, and look forward to updating you in May.
Speaker #2: Yeah . Jamie . That's a great question . And it's something we're going to clearly call out in our May , investor meeting .
Speaker #2: And discussion and So earnings . if you you know , tune in then I'll give you more detail . Obviously we're we don't think the current results reflect the full potential of the company .
Jaime Katz: Okay. And then do you have a target for leverage metrics at the end of 2026, given that you're still paying down some debt?
Jaime Katz: Okay. And then do you have a target for leverage metrics at the end of 2026, given that you're still paying down some debt?
Speaker #2: So, a lot of upside, and look forward to updating you in May.
Speaker #11: Okay. And then do you guys have a target for leverage metrics at the end of 2026, given that you're still paying down some debt?
Artie Starrs: Yeah. I think everything from an overall capital allocation perspective is already talked about in our Q1 earnings call that we do in May. We'll make sure that we walk through strategy, overall capital allocation, our approach to the way that we're running the business on leverage for HDMC as well as HDFS, and then what we look at on a go-forward basis. We will be sure that we cover all of that then.
Jonathan Root: Yeah. I think everything from an overall capital allocation perspective is already talked about in our Q1 earnings call that we do in May. We'll make sure that we walk through strategy, overall capital allocation, our approach to the way that we're running the business on leverage for HDMC as well as HDFS, and then what we look at on a go-forward basis. We will be sure that we cover all of that then.
Speaker #3: Yeah , I think , you know , everything from an overall capital allocation perspective has already talked about in our in our Q1 earnings call that we that we do in May , we'll make sure that we walk through strategy , overall capital allocation , our approach to the way that we're running the business on leverage for Hdmc , as well as HDFS .
Jaime Katz: Okay. So no target yet. But thank you.
Jaime Katz: Okay. So no target yet. But thank you.
Speaker #3: And then what we look at, going on a forward basis, we will be sure that we cover all of that. Then, okay.
Craig Kennison: Yeah. No target. The one thing I'd just remind is the EUR 700 million note that we're going to be paying off. That's the one thing that we've called out.
Artie Starrs: Yeah. No target. The one thing I'd just remind is the EUR 700 million note that we're going to be paying off. That's the one thing that we've called out.
Speaker #9: So no target yet . But thank you .
Speaker #2: The one thing I just remind is the the €700 million note that we're going to be paying off . That's the one thing that we we've called out .
Jaime Katz: Thank you.
Jaime Katz: Thank you.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.
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Speaker #11: Thank you .
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