Q4 2025 Safe Bulkers Inc Earnings Call

February 19, 2026

Speaker #3: At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question-and-answer session. At which time, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad and wait for your name to be announced.

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Speaker #3: The archived webcast of the conference will soon be made available on Safe Bulkers' website, www.safebulkers.com. Many of the remarks today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations; actual results may differ materially from results projected from those forward-looking statements.

Operator: The archived webcast of the conference will soon be made available on Safe Bulkers website, www.safebulkers.com. Many of the remarks today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from results projected from those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the fourth quarter 2025 earnings release, which is available on the Safe Bulkers website. Again, www.safebulkers.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of our speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Polys Hajioannou. Please go ahead, sir.

Operator: The archived webcast of the conference will soon be made available on Safe Bulkers website, www.safebulkers.com. Many of the remarks today contain forward-looking statements based on current expectations. Actual results may differ materially from results projected from those forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the Q4 2025 earnings release, which is available on the Safe Bulkers website. Again, www.safebulkers.com. I would now like to turn the conference over to one of our speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Polys Hajioannou. Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker #3: Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements is contained in the fourth quarter 2025 earnings release, which is available on the Safe Bulkers website again www.safebulkers.com.

Speaker #3: I would now like to turn the conference over to one of our speakers today, the Chairman and CEO of the company, Mr. Police Haji Awanu.

Speaker #3: Please go ahead, sir.

Speaker #2: Good morning to all. I'm Lucas Barmparis, President of Safe Bulkers, and I'm welcoming you at our quarter results. During 2025, the dry bulk market witnessed increased market volatility, mainly due to geopolitical reasons.

Loukas Barmparis: Good morning to all. I'm Loukas Barmparis, President of Safe Bulkers, and I'm welcoming you at our quarter results. During 2025, the dry bulk market witnessed increased market volatility, mainly due to geopolitical reasons. In the fourth quarter of 2025, we achieved $0.14 of adjusted earnings per share, and our board has declared a $0.05 per share dividend, rewarding our common shareholders. The company maintains a prudent balance between spot and time charter exposure, allowing it to capture market opportunities while preserving cash flow visibility and a strong capital structure, providing flexibility in our capital allocation. Following a comprehensive review of the forward-looking statements language, which is presented on slide 2, let's proceed to examine the supply side dynamics in slide 4.

Loukas Barmparis: Good morning to all. I'm Loukas Barmparis, President of Safe Bulkers, and I'm welcoming you at our quarter results. During 2025, the dry bulk market witnessed increased market volatility, mainly due to geopolitical reasons. In the Q4 of 2025, we achieved $0.14 of adjusted earnings per share, and our board has declared a $0.05 per share dividend, rewarding our common shareholders. The company maintains a prudent balance between spot and time charter exposure, allowing it to capture market opportunities while preserving cash flow visibility and a strong capital structure, providing flexibility in our capital allocation. Following a comprehensive review of the forward-looking statements language, which is presented on slide 2, let's proceed to examine the supply side dynamics in slide 4.

Speaker #2: In the fourth quarter of 2025, we achieved 14 cents of adjusted earnings per share, and our board has declared a 5 cents per share dividend, rewarding our common shareholders.

Speaker #2: The company maintains a prudent balance between spot and time chart exposure, allowing it to capture market opportunities while preserving cash flow visibility and a strong capital structure providing flexibility in our capital allocation.

Speaker #2: Following a comprehensive review of the forward-looking statements language, which is presented on slide 2, let's proceed to examine the supply-side dynamics in slide 4.

Speaker #2: The dry bulk fleet is projected to grow by about 3% in 2026 due to stable new deliveries, with fleet growth estimated to be the highest for the Panamax and Supermax segments.

Loukas Barmparis: The dry bulk fleet is projected to grow by about 3% in 2026 due to stable new deliveries, with fleet growth estimated to be the highest for the Panamax and Supramax segments. The order book now stands at about 11.4% of the current fleet. The forecast for dry bulk supply as per BIMCO is to grow by 2.5% in 2026 and by 3% in 2027, as adjusted for the sailing speed. Asset prices remain elevated in line with the current trade market. Recycling volumes are anticipated to rise, but still remain low compared to historical levels. Currently, about 11% of ship capacity in the dry bulk order book will be ready to use alternative fuels upon delivery, and out of these ships, about half will use methanol, 36% LNG, and the remaining ammonia and hydrogen.

Speaker #2: The order book now stands at about 11.4% of the current fleet. The forecast for dry bulk supply, as per BIMCO, is to grow by 2.5% in 2026 and by 3% in 2027, as adjusted for the sailing speed.

Speaker #2: Asset prices remain elevated in line with the current trade market. Recycling volumes are anticipated to rise, but still remain low compared to historical levels.

Speaker #2: Currently, about 11% of ship capacity in the dry bulk order book will be ready to use alternative fuels upon delivery, and out of these ships, about half will use methanol, 36% LNG, and the remaining ammonia, and hydrogen.

Speaker #2: However, the dual-fuel order book remains small in the dry bulk segment. The postponement of the adoption of the global fuel standard by the IMO may alter the path on decarbonization towards more pragmatic solutions.

Loukas Barmparis: However, the dual fuel order book remains small in the dry bulk segment. The postponement of the adoption of the global fuel standard by IMO may alter the path on decarbonization towards more pragmatic solutions. In a total order book of 20 phase three vessels placed in 2020, we do have 2 dual fuel new builds on order, with deliveries by Q1, Q1 2027, able to operate with fossil fuels until alternative fuels become available and economically viable, hedging for the increasingly more stringent carbon intensity limits of the fuel regulation after 2030 and the potential adoption of new regional or global regulations. Safe Bulkers fleet now counts 12 phase three vessels in the water, all delivered from 2022 onwards. In addition, 26 vessels have undergone environmental upgrades and 11 vessels are Eco, incorporating superior fuel efficiency characteristics.

Speaker #2: In a total order book of 20 Phase 3 vessels placed in 2020, we do have two dual fuel newbuilds on order, with deliveries by Q1 2027, able to operate with fossil fuels until alternative fuels become available and economically viable.

Speaker #2: Hedging for the increasing more stringent carbon intensity limits of the fuel EU U regulation after 2030 and the potential adoption of new regional or global regulations.

Speaker #2: Safe Bulkers fleet now counts 12 phase 3 vessels in the water, all delivered from 2022 onwards. In addition, 26 vessels have undergone environmental upgrades and 11 vessels are ECO, incorporating superior fuel efficiency characteristics.

Speaker #2: Approximately 80% of our fleet is Japanese-built, compared with the global average of roughly 40%, underscoring our focus on quality and asset durability. We need also to underline the improved quality of our Chinese ships, which incorporate improvements in durability and fuel efficiency.

Loukas Barmparis: Approximately 80% of our fleet is Japanese-built, compared to the global average of roughly 40%, underscoring our focus on quality and asset durability. We need also to underline the improved quality of our Chinese ships, which incorporate improvements in durability and fuel efficiency. Our average fleet age of 10.5 years is approximately 2.5 years younger than the global fleet average, which is 12.6 years, strengthening our competitive position in terms of operational performance and regulatory compliance. Our commercial competitiveness will strengthen as we will be taking delivery of our remaining order book of 8 Phase 3 vessels.

Speaker #2: Our average fleet age of 10.5 years is approximately 2.5 years younger than the global fleet, average which is 12.6 years, strengthening our competitive position in terms of operational performance and regulatory compliance.

Speaker #2: Our commercial competitiveness will strengthen as we will be taking delivery of our remaining order book of eight phase 3 vessels. By Q1 2029, Safe Bulkers fleet will be comprised of 38 phase 3 vessels, positioning us favorably to compete based on the fuel efficiency of our vessels, while the shipbuilding capacity will continue to be constrained, leading to longer lead terms.

Loukas Barmparis: By Q1 2029, Safe Bulkers fleet will be comprised of 38 Phase 3 vessels, positioning us favorably to compete based on the fuel efficiency of our vessels, while the shipbuilding capacity will continue to be constrained, leading to longer lead terms. When we speak about supply, we need also to highlight not only the reduced scrapping rate, but also the aging dry bulk fleet, 25 percent of which existing exceeds 15 years of, of age, and the increasing expectation of older vessels, which will be reflected on their, and the increasing inspection of older vessels, which will be reflected on their ops. Moving on to slide 5, we present an overview of the demand and basic commodities trade.

Speaker #2: When we speak about supply, we need also to highlight not only the reduced scrapping rate but also the aging dry bulk fleet. 25% of which exist 15 years of age, and the increasing expectation of older vessels which will be reflected on their and the increasing inspection of older vessels which will be reflected on their OPEX.

Speaker #2: Moving on to slide 5, we present an overview of the demand and basic commodities trade. The global GDP growth expectations for 2026 and 2027, as reflected in the IMF's January forecast, call for growth around 3% in the coming years, accompanied by gradual control of inflationary pressures.

Loukas Barmparis: The global GDP growth expectations for 2026 and 2027, as reflected in the IMF's January forecast, call for a growth around 3% in the coming years, accompanied by gradual control of inflationary pressures. BIMCO forecasts a global dry bulk demand growth of 2% to 3% in 2026. Cargo volumes are projected to expand by 1% to 2% in 2026, with average sailing distances increasing by 0.5% to 1.5% annually, supporting ton mile demand. Iron ore shipments expected to grow up to 1% in 2026, and similarly in 2027. Lower prices, driven by increased export and output, could stimulate trade and enhance competitiveness versus lower grade domestic Chinese supply. However, high Chinese port inventories, plus 11% on a year-over-year, may soften import demand in first half of 2026.

Speaker #2: BIMCO forecasts global dry bulk demand growth of 2% to 3% in 2026. Cargo volumes are projected to expand by 1% to 2% in 2026, with average sailing distances increasing by 0.5% to 1.5% annually, supporting ton-mile demand.

Speaker #2: Iron ore shipments are expected to grow up to 1% in 2026, and similarly in 2027. Lower prices driven by increased export output could stimulate trade as enhanced competitiveness versus lower-grade domestic Chinese supply.

Speaker #2: However, high Chinese port inventories, up 11% year on year, may soften import demand in the first half of 2026. Coal shipments are projected to decline by 1% to 2% in 2026.

Loukas Barmparis: Coal shipments are projected to decline by 1 to 2% in 2026. The International Energy Agency expects global coal demand to fall by 1.4% between 2025 and 2027, with coal imports declining by 4%. Chinese demand is projected to fall by 1.5%, while India and Asian regions remain growth pockets. Thermal coal trade is weakening. Coking coal remains relatively resilient. Grains remain the strongest performing major bulk, with shipments estimated to grow by 5 to 6% in 2026. Strong harvest in the US, EU, Argentina, Russia, and Brazil underpin supply. However, China's policy push towards greater self-sufficiency and reduced soya meal usage presents a downturn risk. Minor bulks growth is expected at 3.5 to 4.5% in 2026.

Speaker #2: The international energy agency expects global coal demand to fall by 1.4% between 2025 and 2027, with coal imports declining by 4%. Chinese demand is projected to fall by 1.5%, while India and Asian regions remain growth profits.

Speaker #2: Thermal coal trade is weakening; coking coal remains relatively resilient. Grains remain the strongest performing major bulk, with shipments estimated to grow by 5% to 6% in 2026.

Speaker #2: Strong harvests in the US and EU, Argentina, Russia, and Brazil underpinned supply; however, China’s policy push towards greater self-sufficiency and reduced soya meal usage presents a downturn risk.

Speaker #2: Minor bulks growth is expected at 3.5 to 4.5% in 2026. Energy transition-related ores remain supported, though bauxite trade growth may moderate due to China's aluminum production cap.

Loukas Barmparis: Energy transition-related ores remain supported, though bauxite trade growth may moderate due to China's aluminum production cap. Fertilizer demand continues to expand, but at a slower pace. China remains a central strength factor for dry bulk. The broader economy continues to face structural headwinds from a weak property sector, elevated inventories in key commodities, iron ore, coal, policy-driven industrial adjustment, and increasing trade barriers and the export licensing controls. Steel demand in China is expected to weaken, though exports remain elevated despite tighter regulation. Domestic production policy and import substitution strategies, particularly in coal and grains, represent key downside risks to seaborne trade. Trade tensions between the US and China, although truce has been reached, remain a key source of global economic uncertainty.

Speaker #2: Fertilizer demand continues to expand, but at a slower pace. China remains a central strength factor for dry bulk. The broader economy continues to face structural headwinds from a weak property sector, elevated inventories in key commodities—iron ore, coal—policy-driven industrial adjustment, and increasing trade barriers and export licensing controls.

Speaker #2: Still, demand in China is expected to weaken, though exports remain elevated despite tighter regulation. Domestic production policy and import substitution strategies, particularly in coal and grains, represent key downsides to seaboard trade.

Speaker #2: Trade tensions between the US and China, although a truce has been reached, remain a key source of global economic uncertainty. India continues to perform and is projected to experience the fastest growth among major economies, with a forecast of 6.4% in GDP increase in 2026.

Loukas Barmparis: India continues to perform and is projected to experience the fastest growth among major economies, with a forecast of 6.4% in GDP increasing in 2026. Its expanding domestic market and manufacturing sector may continue to contribute positively to the dry bulk demand, with infrastructure investments playing a vital role. In Japan, following a decisive super majority victory in February snap elections, the Japanese government now holds significant political capital to advance a responsible and proactive fiscal policy aimed at transitioning the economy from prolonged deflation towards a phase of sustainable growth, widely referred to as Sunny Economics, emphasizing aggressive fiscal stimulus to catalyze domestic demand and reinforce economic momentum. Summing up the supply-demand equilibrium on slide 6, the supply growth is expected to marginally match demand for 2026.

Speaker #2: Its expanding domestic market and manufacturing sector may continue to contribute positively to the dry bulk demand, with infrastructure investments playing a vital role. In Japan, following a decisive supermajority victory in February, snap elections, the Japanese government now holds significant political capital to advance a responsible and proactive fiscal policy, aimed at transitioning the economy from prolonged deflation towards a phase of sustainable growth widely referred to as sun economics, emphasizing aggressive fiscal stimulus to catalyze domestic demand and reinforce economic momentum.

Speaker #2: Summing up the supply-demand equilibrium on slide 6, the supply growth is expected to marginally match demand for 2026. The trade market has shown strength during the fourth quarter of 2025 and continues to be healthy in early 2026.

Loukas Barmparis: The trade market has shown strength during the fourth quarter of 2025 and continues to be healthy in early 2026. In relation to our Capesize class vessels, seven were chartered under period time charters, with an average remaining charter duration of 1.8 years and an average daily charter hire of $24,000, topping $130 million in contracted revenue backlog from Capes alone. Moving to slide eight, we present an overview of our quarterly highlights. We have declared our seventeenth consecutive quarterly dividend of $0.05, representing 3.3% dividend yield. At the same time, our free cash flows finances our new build program. We maintain ample liquidity and capital resources of $382 million, and a comfortable leverage of 34%.

Loukas Barmparis: The trade market has shown strength during the Q4 of 2025 and continues to be healthy in early 2026. In relation to our Capesize class vessels, seven were chartered under period time charters, with an average remaining charter duration of 1.8 years and an average daily charter hire of $24,000, topping $130 million in contracted revenue backlog from Capes alone. Moving to slide eight, we present an overview of our quarterly highlights. We have declared our seventeenth consecutive quarterly dividend of $0.05, representing 3.3% dividend yield. At the same time, our free cash flows finances our new build program. We maintain ample liquidity and capital resources of $382 million, and a comfortable leverage of 34%.

Speaker #2: In relation to our Capesize class vessels, seven were chartered under peer-time charters with an average remaining charter duration of 1.8 years and an average daily charter hire of $24,000, topping $130 million in contracted revenue backlog from Capes alone.

Speaker #2: Moving to slide 8, we present an overview of our quarterly highlights. We have declared our 17th consecutive quarterly dividend of 5 cents, representing 3.3% dividend yield.

Speaker #2: At the same time, our free cash flows finance our newbuild program. We maintain ample liquidity and capital resources of $382 million, and a comfortable leverage of $34 million.

Speaker #2: Of the 34%. We had 72.6 million of net revenues, and we do have an active 10 million shares in purchase program. In January, we placed order for two camsarmax phase three new builds and in February, we sold a 2012 Chinese built capesize class vessel.

Loukas Barmparis: We had $72.6 million of net revenues, and we do have an active 10 million shares repurchase program. In January, we placed order for 2 Kamsarmax Phase 3 newbuilds, and in February, we sold a 2012 Chinese-built Capesize class vessel. In slide nine, we present our returns to shareholders of $89 million paid in common dividends and $75 million paid in common shares repurchases since 2022, reflecting our consistency in generating sustainable returns across market fluctuations because of our track record, sound management, and our overall business model. Concluding the company update in slide ten, we present our strong fundamentals. Safe Bulkers is a dry bulk company with $628 million market cap, 45 vessels on the water, having $274 million scrap value.

Speaker #2: In slide 9, we present our returns to shareholders of 89 million paid in common dividends and 75 million paid in common shares in purchases, since 2022, reflecting our consistency in generating sustainable returns across market fluctuations because of our track record, hardware management, and our overall business model.

Speaker #2: Concluding the company update in slide 10, we present our strong fundamentals. Safe Bulkers is a dry bulk company with a $628 million market cap, 45 years on the water, and $1,274 million scrap value.

Speaker #2: We maintain significant fire power with 163 million cash, 220 million in undrawn RCFs, and 182 million boring capacity against our significant order book of 8 new builds, mainly in Japanese shipyards.

Loukas Barmparis: We maintain significant firepower with $163 million cash, $220 million in undrawn RCFs, and $182 million borrowing capacity against our significant order book of 8 newbuilds, mainly in Japanese shipyards. We focus on our majority Japanese-built standards, on fleet energy efficiency and lower CO₂ taxation, reflected in our CII rating of 0 vessels on the bottom categories of D and E. We maintain a young, technologically advanced fleet, strong balance sheet, comfortable leverage and low net debt per vessel of $8.4 million for a 10.4-year-old fleet. We have built a resilient business model with cash flow visibility of $164 million in revenue backlog, healthy expansion for a sizable fleet that achieves scale, and a meaningful 3.3% annualized dividend yield positioned to leverage on its fuel efficiency.

Speaker #2: We focus on our majority Japanese built retail standards, complete energy efficiency, and lower CO2 taxation, reflected in our CII rating of zero vessels on the bottom categories D and E.

Speaker #2: We maintain a young, technologically advanced fleet, strong balance sheet, comfortable leverage, and low net debt per vessel of $8.4 million, for a 10.4-year-old fleet.

Speaker #2: We have built a resilient business model with cash flow visibility of $164 million in revenue backlog, healthy expansion for a sizable fleet that achieves scale, and a meaningful 3.3% annualized dividend yield, positioned to leverage on each fuel efficiency.

Speaker #2: I now pass the floor to our chief focus, Adinos Adamopoulos, for our quarterly financial overview. For Adinos, the floor is yours. Thank you, Lucas, and good morning to everyone.

Loukas Barmparis: I now pass the floor to our CFO, Konstantinos Adamopoulos, for our quarterly financial overview. Konstantinos, the floor is yours.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: Thank you, Loukas, and good morning to everyone. During Q4 2025, we operated in a slightly improved charter market environment compared to the same period in 2024, with increased revenues due to higher charter hires and slightly increased earnings from scrubber-fitted vessels. Moving on to slide 12, with our quarterly financial highlights for Q4 2025 compared to the same period of 2024. Our adjusted EBITDA for Q4 2025 stood at $37.4 million, compared to $40.7 billion for the same period in 2024.

Speaker #2: During the fourth quarter of 2025, we operated in a slightly improved charter market environment compared to the same period in 2024, with increased revenues due to higher charter hires and slightly increased earnings from scrubber-fitted vessels.

Speaker #2: Moving on to slide 12, with our quarterly financial highlights for the fourth quarter of 2025 compared to the same period of 2024. Our adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2025 stood at 37.4 million, compared to 40.7 million for the same period in 2024.

Speaker #2: Our adjusted earnings per share for the third quarter of 2025 was 14 cents, calculated on a weighted average number of 100.23 million shares, compared to 15 cents during the same period in 2024, calculated on a weighted average number of 106.4 million shares.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: Our adjusted earnings per share for Q3 2025 was $0.14, calculated on a weighted average number of 102.3 million shares, compared to $0.15 during the same period in 2024, calculated on a weighted average number of 106.4 million shares. On the top graph, during Q4 2025, we operated 45 vessels on average, earning an average time charter equivalent of $17,050, compared to 45.9 vessels on average, earning a TCE of $16,521 during the same period in 2024.

Speaker #2: On the top graph, during the fourth quarter of 2025, we operated 45 vessels on average, earning an average time charter equivalent of 17,050, compared to 45.9 vessels on average, earning a TCE of 16,521 during the same period in 2024.

Speaker #2: Our daily vessel operating expenses increased by 13% to 5,683 for the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 5,047 for the same period in 2024.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: Our daily vessel operating expenses increased by 13% to $5,683 for Q4 2025, compared to $5,047 for the same period in 2024. Daily vessel OpEx, excluding dry docking and delivery expenses, increased by 6% to $5,057 for Q4 2025, compared to $4,787 for the same period in 2024. Slide 14-13, with a quick overview of our quarterly operational highlights for Q4 2025, this compared to the same period of 2024. Now, let's continue to slide 14, where we present our balance sheet analysis, noting that assets are presented in their book value. Strong liquidity and ample cash reserves provide significant financial flexibility to navigate market volatility.

Speaker #2: Daily vessel OPEX, excluding dry docking and peer delivery expenses, increased by 6% to 5,057, for the fourth quarter of 2025, compared to 4,787 for the same period in 2024.

Speaker #2: Slide 14 13, with a quick overview of our quarterly operational highlights for the fourth quarter of 2025. This compared to the same period of 2024.

Speaker #2: Now let's continue to slide 14, where we present our balance sheet analysis, noting that assets are presented in their book value. Strong liquidity and ample cash reserves provide significant financial flexibility to navigate market volatility.

Speaker #2: The company maintains a healthy balance sheet, supported by a robust equity base and conservative leverage levels. Our capital structure positions the company for sustainable long-term growth and resilience.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: The company maintains a healthy balance sheet, supported by a robust equity base and conservative leverage levels. Our capital structure positions the company for sustainable long-term growth and resilience. We conclude our presentation in slide 15, where we present our daily free cash flow for the 12 months of 2025, illustrating the company's ability to generate free cash flows, highlighting disciplined cost control and efficient vessel operations. We'd like to highlight that based on financial performance, the company's board of directors has declared a $0.05 dividend per common share. The company is maintaining a healthy cash position of about $167 million as of February 13. Another $218 million available in the revolving credit facilities, giving a combined liquidity and capital resources of $385 million.

Speaker #2: We conclude our presentation in slide 15, where we present our daily free cash flow for the 12 months of 2025, illustrating the company's ability to generate free cash flows and highlighting disciplined cost control and efficient vessel operations.

Speaker #2: We'd like to highlight that, based on financial performance, the company's board of directors has declared a 5-cent dividend per common share. The company is maintaining a healthy cash position of about $167 million as of February 13, with another $218 million available in revolving credit facilities, giving a combined liquidity and capital resources of $385 million.

Speaker #2: This also we should also add the contracted revenue of 178 million dollars. This underscores our capacity to support debt service, reinvestment, and shareholder returns at the same time, which enables us to expand the fleet, build a resilient company, and create long-term prosperity for our shareholders.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: We should also add the contracted revenue of $178 million. This underscores our capacity to support debt service, reinvestment, and shareholder returns at the same time, which enable us to expand the fleet, build a resilient company, and create long-term prosperity for our shareholders. Thank you, and we are now ready for your questions.

Speaker #2: Thank you. We are now ready for your questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.

Konstantinos Adamopoulos: ...Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Clement Mullins with Value Investor's Edge. Please proceed.

Operator: ...Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Clement Mullins with Value Investor's Edge. Please proceed.

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Speaker #2: For participants choosing speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Clement Moyland with Value Investors Edge.

Speaker #2: Hi. Good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. You’ve made a lot of leeway on the fleet renewal front in recent years, putting special emphasis on cancer-marked new builds.

Climent Molins: Hi, good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. You've made a lot of leeway on the fleet renewal front in recent years, putting special emphasis on Kamsarmax new builds. When looking at your overall fleet pro forma for the new build additions, the Capesize side does seem a tad older. Is there any appetite to renew it going forward, or is new build and secondhand pricing difficult to justify based on your expectations?

Speaker #2: When looking at your overall fleet, pro forma for the newbuild additions, the Capesize side does seem a tad older. Is there any appetite to renew it going forward?

Speaker #2: Or is newbuild and second-hand pricing difficult to justify based on your expectations? Yes, good afternoon. Good morning to you. The second-hand prices right now are getting higher, but the problem is the lack of suitable available tonnage for sale.

Polys Hajioannou: Yes, good afternoon, good morning to you. The secondhand prices right now, they are getting higher, but the problem is the lack of suitable available tonnages for sale. So there's no quality tonnages in secondhand market available for sale, no Japanese-built vessels or even Chinese modern fleet, modern vessels available for sales. And the reason being that market prospects look quite positive. We have a very strong Q4 and now a very strong Q1. And people are getting hold of their assets to ride the improved market. So the only option you have, a company at least like ours, that we need to have quality tonnage, and we need to have a sustainable program for the future, is to look into shipyards.

Loukas Barmparis: Yes, good afternoon, good morning to you. The secondhand prices right now, they are getting higher, but the problem is the lack of suitable available tonnages for sale. So there's no quality tonnages in secondhand market available for sale, no Japanese-built vessels or even Chinese modern fleet, modern vessels available for sales. And the reason being that market prospects look quite positive. We have a very strong Q4 and now a very strong Q1. And people are getting hold of their assets to ride the improved market. So the only option you have, a company at least like ours, that we need to have quality tonnage, and we need to have a sustainable program for the future, is to look into shipyards.

Speaker #2: So there's no quality tonics in second-hand market available for sale, no Japanese-built vessels, or even Chinese modern fleet modern vessels available for sales. The reason being that market prospects look quite positive.

Speaker #2: We have a very strong Q4 and now a very strong Q1. And people are getting hold of their assets to ride the improved market.

Speaker #2: So the only option you have a company at least like ours that we need to have quality tonics, and we need to have sustainable program for the future, is to look into shipyards also there.

Polys Hajioannou: Also, there, the task is not easy, because most of the shipyards are fully booked for 2028, so we have to go into 2029 for deliveries. And, basically, this is what we have done in the last quarter.

Loukas Barmparis: Also, there, the task is not easy, because most of the shipyards are fully booked for 2028, so we have to go into 2029 for deliveries. And, basically, this is what we have done in the last quarter.

Speaker #2: The task is not easy because most of the shipyards are fully booked for 2028, so we have to go into 2029 for deliveries.

Speaker #2: And basically, this is what we have done in the last quarter. Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. I also wanted to ask about the time charter market.

Climent Molins: Yeah, that's helpful. Thank you. I also wanted to ask about the time charter market. Have you seen increasing appetite from charterers for 2- to 3-year contracts on Kamsarmaxes? And secondly, based on current quotes, would you favor index-linked exposure or fixed coverage?

Speaker #2: Have you seen increasing appetite from charterers for two to three-year contracts on cancer maxes? And secondly, based on current quotes, would you favor index-linked exposure or fixed coverage?

Speaker #2: Yes. There is no interest for two or three-year contracts. The market is just starting. It's improvement. The last couple of quarters, you have to remember last year was a very difficult year, especially the first half, which was all the talks of tariffs and it started from September 24 and it lasted up to July of 2025 when we saw that Trump administration was starting settling some of those issues with a few countries.

Polys Hajioannou: Yes. There is no, there is no interest for two or three-year contracts. The market is just starting its improvement, you know, the last couple of quarters. You have to remember last year was a very difficult year, especially the first half, which was all the talks of tariffs and it started from September 2024 up and it last up to July of 2025, when we saw that Trump administration was was starting settling some of those issues with a few countries. So there were a good 10 months of depression in the market. Stories start changing from second half of 2025, when we start seeing improvement. I mean, the momentum has to gather pace, which is doing right now, and we started now seeing better freight rates.

Loukas Barmparis: Yes. There is no, there is no interest for two or three-year contracts. The market is just starting its improvement, you know, the last couple of quarters. You have to remember last year was a very difficult year, especially the H1, which was all the talks of tariffs and it started from September 2024 up and it last up to July of 2025, when we saw that Trump administration was was starting settling some of those issues with a few countries. So there were a good 10 months of depression in the market. Stories start changing from H2 of 2025, when we start seeing improvement. I mean, the momentum has to gather pace, which is doing right now, and we started now seeing better freight rates.

Speaker #2: So there were a good 10 months of depression in the market. Stories start changing from the second half of 2025, when we start seeing improvement. I mean, the momentum has to gather pace, which it is doing right now.

Speaker #2: We started now seeing better freight rates. And right now, we could say that many charterers can take 12-month period charters. In order to see two or three years, we need to have more of these visibility we have to have these going into two or three quarters before charterers appear for longer-term deals.

Polys Hajioannou: And right now, we could say that many charters can take 12-month period charters. In order to see 2 or 3 years, we need to have more of this visibility. We have to have this going into 2 or 3 quarters before charters appear for longer-term deals. So at the moment, I would say that you could easily fix, you know, 6- to 12-month charters, but the longer charters will come only after we see sustained strength of the market. So the other-

Loukas Barmparis: And right now, we could say that many charters can take 12-month period charters. In order to see 2 or 3 years, we need to have more of this visibility. We have to have this going into 2 or 3 quarters before charters appear for longer-term deals. So at the moment, I would say that you could easily fix, you know, 6- to 12-month charters, but the longer charters will come only after we see sustained strength of the market. So the other-

Speaker #2: So at the moment, I would say that you could easily fix 6 to 12-month charters, but the longer charters will come only after we see sustained strength of the market.

Speaker #2: So the other question about index or fixed traditionally, we prefer the fixed rate. And sometimes we do index. Usually, on a rising market, charterers try to avoid index.

Climent Molins: Thanks for that.

Polys Hajioannou: About index, index or fixed.

Loukas Barmparis: About index, index or fixed.

Climent Molins: Yeah.

Polys Hajioannou: Traditionally, we prefer the fixed rate, and sometimes we do index. You know, usually on a rising market, charters try to avoid index. They prefer fixed rate. We don't mind securing a good return with the fixed rates. Right now, there are 1-year deals or 12-- 1-year deals in the market approaching $18,000 or $19,000 a day. So this is a good, a good level to start locking in a few ships.

Loukas Barmparis: Traditionally, we prefer the fixed rate, and sometimes we do index. You know, usually on a rising market, charters try to avoid index. They prefer fixed rate. We don't mind securing a good return with the fixed rates. Right now, there are 1-year deals or 12-- 1-year deals in the market approaching $18,000 or $19,000 a day. So this is a good, a good level to start locking in a few ships.

Speaker #2: They prefer fixed rate. We don't mind securing a good return with the fixed rates. Right now, there are one-year deals, so one-year deals in the market approaching 18 or 19 thousand dollars a day.

Speaker #2: So this is a good level to start locking in a few ships. The 18 to 19 thousand per day would be for eco and scrubber, , right?

Climent Molins: The $18,000 to 19,000 per day would be for eco and scrubber, right?

Speaker #2: No, no scrubber. It will be for eco cancer maxes. Eco cancer maxes, they don't usually have scrubbers. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. I'll turn it over.

Polys Hajioannou: No, no scrubber. It will be for eco Kamsarmaxes. Eco Kamsarmaxes, they don't usually have scrubbers.

Loukas Barmparis: No, no scrubber. It will be for eco Kamsarmaxes. Eco Kamsarmaxes, they don't usually have scrubbers.

Climent Molins: Okay, perfect. Thank you.

Polys Hajioannou: Scrubbers usually-

Loukas Barmparis: Scrubbers usually-

Climent Molins: I'll turn it over.

Polys Hajioannou: Scrub, scrubbers-

Loukas Barmparis: Scrub, scrubbers-

Speaker #2: Scrubbers. Sorry. Go on. Usually on scrubbers, you find usually on cape-sized bulk carriers or on vessels that they are burning over 25 tons. To make worthwhile the investment.

Climent Molins: Sorry, go on, go on.

Polys Hajioannou: Usually on Capesize. Scrubbers you find usually on Capesize bulk carriers or on vessels that they are burning over 25 tons to make worthwhile the investment. So the young ones that burn 14 or 15 tons, they don't you don't... It's not viable to fit scrubber on those. It's a very small consumption.

Loukas Barmparis: Usually on Capesize. Scrubbers you find usually on Capesize bulk carriers or on vessels that they are burning over 25 tons to make worthwhile the investment. So the young ones that burn 14 or 15 tons, they don't you don't... It's not viable to fit scrubber on those. It's a very small consumption.

Speaker #2: So the young ones that burn 14 or 15 tons, they don't it's not viable to fit scrubber on those. It's a very small consumption.

Speaker #2: Makes sense. Thank you. As a reminder, to start one on your telephone keypad, if you would like to ask a question, we will pause for a brief moment to see if there's any further questions.

Climent Molins: Makes sense. Thank you.

Polys Hajioannou: Thank you.

Loukas Barmparis: Thank you.

Polys Hajioannou: As a reminder, just star 1 on your telephone keypad, if you would like to ask a question. We will pause for a brief moment to see if there's any further questions. With no further questions, I would like to hand the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Operator: As a reminder, just star 1 on your telephone keypad, if you would like to ask a question. We will pause for a brief moment to see if there's any further questions. With no further questions, I would like to hand the conference back over to management for closing remarks.

Speaker #2: With no further questions, I would like to hand the conference back over to management for closing remarks. Thank you very much for attending this conference call about the first the last quarter of financial results of 2025.

Polys Hajioannou: Thank you very much for attending this conference call about the first, the last quarter of financial results of 2025, and we're looking forward to discuss again with you in our next quarter results. Thank you very much and have a good day.

Loukas Barmparis: Thank you very much for attending this conference call about the first, the last quarter of financial results of 2025, and we're looking forward to discuss again with you in our next quarter results. Thank you very much and have a good day.

Speaker #2: And we're looking forward to discussing again with you in our next quarter results. Thank you very much, and have a good day. Thank you.

Polys Hajioannou: Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.

Operator: Thank you. This will conclude today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.

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