Q3 2026 LiveOne Inc Earnings Call

February 12, 2026

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this is the operator. Today's conference is scheduled to begin momentarily. Until that time, your lines will again be placed on music hold. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for standing by. Welcome everyone to the LiveOne, Inc. Third Quarter Fiscal 2026 Financial Results and Business Update. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Carhart, Chief Financial Officer. You may begin, sir.

Speaker #1: Today's conference is scheduled to begin momentarily. Until that time, your lines will again be placed on music hold. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for standing by.

Speaker #1: Welcome, everyone, to the LiveOne, Inc. third quarter fiscal 2026 financial results and business update. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

Speaker #1: After the speakers' remarks, there will be question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask questions during this time, simply press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad.

Speaker #1: If you would like to withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I would now like to turn the call over to Ryan Carhart, Chief Financial Officer.

Speaker #1: You may begin, sir.

Speaker #3: Thank you, good morning, and welcome to LiveOne's business update and financial results conference call for the company's fiscal third quarter and the December 31st, 2025.

Ryan Carhart: Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to LiveOne's Business Update and Financial Results Conference Call for the company's fiscal third quarter ended December 31, 2025. Presenting on today's call with me is Rob Ellin, CEO and Chairman of LiveOne. I would like to remind you that some of the statements made on today's call are forward-looking and are based on current expectations, forecasts, and assumptions that involve various risks and uncertainties. These statements include, but are not limited to, statements regarding the future performance of the company, including expected future financial results and expected future growth in the business. Actual results may differ materially from those discussed on this call for a variety of reasons.

Speaker #3: Presenting on today's call with me is Rob Allen, CEO and Chairman of LiveOne. I would like to remind you that some of the statements made on today's call are forward-looking and are based on current expectations forecasts and assumptions that involve various risks and uncertainties.

Speaker #3: These statements include but are not limited to statements regarding the future performance of the company, including expected future financial results and expected future growth in the business.

Speaker #3: Actual results may differ materially from those discussed on this call for a variety of reasons. Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for information about factors which could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements.

Ryan Carhart: Please refer to the company's filings with the SEC for information about factors which could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements, including those described in its annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2025, and subsequent SEC filings. You'll find reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures discussed today in the company's earnings release, which is posted on its investor relations website. The company encourages you to periodically visit its investor relations website for important content. The following discussion, including responses to your questions, contains time-sensitive information and reflects management's view as of the date of this call, February 12, 2026. Except as required by law, the company does not undertake any obligation to update or revise this information after the date of the call.

Speaker #3: Including those described in its annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended March 31, 2025, and subsequent SEC filings. You’ll find reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures discussed today, which are posted on its investor relations website.

Speaker #3: The company encourages you to periodically visit its investor relations website for important content. The following discussion, including responses to your questions, contains time-sensitive information and reflects management's view as of the date of this call, February 12, 2026.

Speaker #3: An acceptance required by law, the company does not undertake any obligation to update or revise this information after the date of the call. I'd like to highlight to investors that this call is being recorded.

Ryan Carhart: I'd like to highlight to investors that this call is being recorded. The company is making it available to investors and media via webcast, and a replay will be available on its website in the Investor Relations section shortly following the conclusion of the call. Additionally, it is a property of the company and any redistribution, transmission, or rebroadcast of this call or the webcast in any form without the company's expressed written consent is strictly prohibited. Now, I would like to turn the call over to LiveOne CEO, Rob Ellin.

Speaker #3: The company is making it available to investors and media via webcast. And a replay will be available on its website in the investor relations section, shortly following the conclusion of the call.

Speaker #3: Additionally, it is a property of the company and any redistribution, transmission, or rebroadcast of this call or the webcast in any form without the company's expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.

Speaker #3: Now, I would like to turn the call over to LiveOne CEO Rob Allen.

Speaker #4: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. This quarter marks a clear inflection point for our company. We've delivered over 58 million dollars in revenues for the nine months, including 20 million dollars in Q3.

Rob Ellin: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. This quarter marks a clear inflection point for our company. We delivered over $58 million in revenues for the nine months, including $20 million in Q3. Most important, expanding our Adjusted EBITDA and structurally, structurally transforming the business. Operating expenses reduced by over 52% year-over-year. Our organization was streamlined with the help of AI from 350 people to 88 team members. We strengthened our balance sheet, reduced our debt, expanded our capital flexibility. We've just paid off over $2.5 million of debt. These were permanent structural improvements designed to create a scalable, margin-expanding platform.... Over the past several years, we navigated COVID shutdowns, the collapse in media and microcap valuations, the loss of key partnerships, and a disruption in the automotive channel. Many companies in our sector did not survive.

Speaker #4: Most importantly, expanding our adjusted EBITDA and structurally transforming the business. Operating expenses reduced by over 52% year over year. Our organization was streamlined with the help of AI from 350 people to 88 team members.

Speaker #4: We strengthened our balance sheet, reduced our debt, expanded our capital flexibility. We've just paid off over $2.5 million of debt. These were permanent structural improvements designed to create a scalable, margin-expanding platform.

Speaker #4: Over the past several years, we navigated COVID shutdowns, the collapse in media and micro-app valuations, the loss of key partnerships, and the disruption in the automotive channel.

Speaker #4: Many companies in our sector did not survive. We did, and we are emerging leaner, more disciplined, and positioned for the next major growth cycle.

Rob Ellin: We did, and we are emerging leaner, more disciplined, and fixed and positioned for the next major growth cycle. Our audio division generated $52.2 million in nine-month revenue and over $3.7 million in adjusted EBITDA. Again, showcasing those cost savings and the use of AI to materially change the staffing of this company, including $18.6 million in revenue and $2.6 million of EBITDA in Q3 alone. Looking ahead, our preliminary fiscal guidance for the first time, we are putting out $85 to 95 million in revenues and $8 to 10 million in adjusted EBITDA. We're scaling profitably and closing the earnings delivery gap as we move forward towards year-end. Very importantly, to note, we have over 125 million in net operating loss carryforwards.

Speaker #4: Our audio division generated $52.2 million in nine-month revenue, and over $3.7 million in adjusted EBITDA. Again, it's showcasing those cost savings and the use of AI to materially change the staffing of this company.

Speaker #4: Including 18.6 million in revenue and $2.6 million of EBITDA in Q3 alone. Looking ahead, our preliminary fiscal guidance for the first time we are putting out, 85 to 95 million in revenues, and an 8 to 10 million dollars in adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #4: We are scaling profitably and closing the earnings delivery gap as we move forward towards year-end. Very importantly to know, we have over 125 million in net operating loss carry forwards.

Speaker #4: As we move towards profitability at the end of the year, these NOLs represent significant long-term shareholder value and tax efficiency as we grow earnings.

Rob Ellin: As we move towards profitability at the end of the year, these NOLs represent significant long-term shareholder value and tax efficiencies as we grow earnings. Industry valuation dynamics are improving. We're trading at 60% of revenues. The industry is trading over 3 times revenues. The private sector in both podcasting and audio as a whole is trading over 3.7 times, and there are multiple transactions in the last 120 days at well above 5 times revenues. Strategic buyers understand the value of recurring engagement, monetization, layer leverage, and behavioral data. As fundamentals have normalized, valuation frameworks are starting to adjust. Our B2B pipeline is now the largest in company history, up over 30% in the last 120 days, with over 100 active enterprise opportunities with billion- to trillion-dollar companies.

Speaker #4: Industry valuations dynamics are improving. We're trading at 60% of revenues. The industry is trading over three times revenues. The private sector in both podcasting and audio as a whole is trading over 3.7 times and there are multiple transactions in the last 120 days at well above five times revenues.

Speaker #4: Strategic buyers understand the value of recurring engagement, monetization, leverage, and behavioral data. As fundamentals have normalized, valuation frameworks are starting to adjust. Our B2B pipeline is now the largest in company history.

Speaker #4: Up over 30% in the last 120 days, with over 100 active enterprise opportunities with billion to trillion dollar companies. We are expanding our partnerships across Amazon, Apple, Paramount, Pluto TV, Telly, DAX, and Tesla.

Rob Ellin: We are expanding our partnerships across Amazon, Apple, Paramount, Pluto TV, Telie, DAX, and Tesla. This year, we expect to launch 3 major Fortune 500 partnerships across a national retailer, a leading TV platform, and a major carrier. Two of those partners alone have over 50 million monthly paying subscribers. These are scaled, recurring enterprise relationships designed to materially expand margins and enterprise value. At the same time, we're executing a focused strategy to convert more than 1 million free and ad-supported subscribers, including our Tesla users, into highly monetized tiers. That conversion opportunity alone represents meaningful incremental revenue and EBITDA. We are also seeing a sharp acceleration in inbound M&A opportunities. As the market stabilizes and valuation is normalized, strategic combinations are becoming increasingly attractive. Inbound calls continue to increase dramatically.

Speaker #4: This year, we expect to launch three major Fortune 500 partnerships, across a national retailer, a leading TV platform, and a major carrier. Two of those partners alone have over 50 million monthly paying subscribers.

Speaker #4: These are scaled recurring enterprise relationships designed to materially expand margins and enterprise value. At the same time, we are executing a focused strategy to convert more than 1 million free and ad-supported subscribers including our Tesla users.

Speaker #4: Into highly monetized tiers. That conversion opportunity alone represents meaningful incremental revenue and EBITDA. We are also seeing a sharp acceleration in inbound M&A opportunities.

Speaker #4: As the market stabilizes and valuations normalize, strategic combinations are becoming increasingly attractive. Inbound calls continue to increase dramatically. We are disciplined in evaluating opportunities and to look at all opportunities that will increase shareholder value dramatically.

Rob Ellin: We are disciplined in evaluating opportunities and to look at all opportunities that will increase shareholder value dramatically. We continue to expand our original IP. We have now sold our fourth television series to a major streaming platform with 100% margin economics. The cost already built in into rolling out our podcast, and when they sell to the streaming networks, we are immediately taking in cash flow earnings. Owning intellectual properties creates long-term asset value and high-margin revenue streams. We are focused on building and controlling premium content that can attract across audio, video, streaming, and live formats. We now have over 15 original projects in the pipeline and growing. Live experiences are also returning, a major growth sector. Prior to COVID, live events represented 50% of our revenues. That market is re-accelerating.

Speaker #4: We continue to expand our original IP. We have now sold our fourth television series to a major streaming platform with 100% margin economics. The cost already built in into rolling out our podcasts and when they sell to the streaming networks, we are immediately taking in cash flow earnings.

Speaker #4: Owning intellectual properties creates long-term asset value and high margin revenue streams. We are focused on building and controlling premium content that can attract across audio, video, streaming, and live formats.

Speaker #4: We now have over 15 original projects in the pipeline and growing. Live experience is also returning a major growth sector. Prior to COVID, live events represented 50% of our revenues.

Speaker #4: That market is re-accelerating. As you watch our manual raise over $2 billion, you watch many partners in that space growing dramatically in capital being raised, our creative community, brand relationships, and audience scale position us to dramatically expand live shows across podcasts, music, and live events.

Rob Ellin: As you watch Ari Emanuel raise over $2 billion, you watch many partners in that space growing dramatically and capital being raised. Our creative community, brand relationships, and audience scale position us to dramatically expand live shows across podcasts, music, and live events. We are increasingly focused on owning our own products, not distribution of content and products, but actually ownership. With a database exceeding 65 million consumers and billions of impressions and downloads across our platforms, we have the ability to test, launch, scale proprietary products directly to our community. That level of owned audience and data provides a powerful testing engine and distribution channel, enabling us to drive our own product margins and recurring revenue streams. The structural shift is happening across all of the major media businesses. Netflix is entering the podcast business. TikTok is expanding aggressively into audio.

Speaker #4: And we are increasingly focused on owning our own products, not just distribution of content and products, but actually ownership. With a database exceeding 65 million consumers and billions of impressions and downloads across our platforms, we have the ability to test, launch, scale proprietary products directly to our community.

Speaker #4: That level of owned audience and data provides a powerful testing engine and distribution channel enabling us to drive our own product margins and recurring revenue streams.

Speaker #4: The structural shift is happening across all of the major media businesses—Netflix is entering the podcast business, TikTok is expanding aggressively into audio, audio remains the stickiest behavior in media, no one turns off their music subscription, music listening generates powerful behavioral data.

Rob Ellin: Audio remains the stickiest behavior in media. No one turns off their music subscription. Music, music listening generates powerful behavioral data, time of day patterns, mood cycles, frequency, and engagement depth. That data becomes fundamental in training materially for sophisticated AI models. AI is not a feature, it's an infrastructure. Our AI partnerships are growing, and initiatives are focused on leveraging behavioral audio data, enhancing personalization, optimizing monetization, and powering enterprise engagement. That is why B2B demand is accelerating. That is why the pipeline is exploding. To fully capitalize on this, this opportunity, we are evolving our leadership structure. We have started the process and will shortly announce a new president, an accomplished operating executive, and again, who has built and scaled and sold billion-dollar public companies and brings deep public market expertise to our team.

Speaker #4: Time-of-day patterns, mood cycles, frequency, and engagement depth—that data becomes fundamental in training materially or sophisticated AI models. AI is not a feature. It's an infrastructure.

Speaker #4: Our AI partnerships are growing, and initiatives are focused on leveraging behavioral audio data enhancing personalization, optimizing monetization, and powering enterprise engagement. That is why B2B demand is accelerating.

Speaker #4: That is why the pipeline is exploding. To fully capitalize on this opportunity, we are evolving our leadership structure. We have started the process and will shortly announce a new president and accomplished operating executive—if again—who has built and scaled and sold billion-dollar public companies and brings deep public market expertise to our team.

Speaker #4: This leader will also assume day-to-day operational roles, allowing me to dedicate 100% of my time to B2B partnerships, M&A activity, and, most important, accelerating our AI initiatives and pursuing strategic growth opportunities.

Rob Ellin: This leader will also assume day-to-day operational roles, allowing me to dedicate 100% of my time to B2B partnerships, M&A activity, and accelerating, most important, our AI initiatives and pursuing strategic growth opportunities. It's a proactive decision to align with scale and opportunity, and the fact that the restructuring has now been complete and it is now time to really focus our energy on top-line growth and bottom-line EBITDA numbers. Finally, our capital allocation reflects our confidence. We believe our company is materially undervalued, trading at less than 1x revenues, well below the 3.7 industry trading today. Our NOLs of over $125 million and improving industry multiples. As a result, we are expanding our share repurchase program with approximately $6 million remaining under the authorization. We are investing in growth. We are investing in ourselves.

Speaker #4: It's a proactive decision to align with scale and opportunity and the fact that the restructuring has now been complete and is now time to really focus our energy on top-line growth and bottom-line EBITDA numbers.

Speaker #4: Finally, our capital allocation reflects our competence. We believe our company is materially undervalued trading at less than one times revenues. Well below the 3.7 industry trading today, our NOLs of over 125 million and improving industry multiples as a result we are expanding our share of repurchase program with approximately 6 million dollars remaining under the authorization.

Speaker #4: We are investing in growth. We are investing in ourselves. We are no longer rebuilding. We are accelerating. Revenue is scaling EBITDA is exploding. The earnings gap is closing.

Rob Ellin: We are no longer rebuilding; we are accelerating. Revenue is scaling, EBITDA is exploding, the earnings gap is closing, B2B partnerships are growing, AI initiatives are advancing, live experiences are returning, own products are launching, M&A opportunities and increasing industry valuations are normalizing, and capital is being returned through disciplined buybacks. We survived disruption, we rebuilt the foundation, and we're now positioned at the intersection of audio, enterprise distribution, behavioral data, AI, IP ownership, and scalable monetization. The next chapter is disciplined, margin-expanding growth. I want to thank everyone for their support and appreciate your time today, and I look forward to any questions. Now, at this point, I'm going to hand it off to Ryan Carhart, our CFO, who's done an exceptional job of delivering on these numbers. Thank you.

Speaker #4: B2B partnerships are growing. AI initiatives are advancing. Live experiences are returning. Owned products are launching. M&A opportunities are increasing industry valuations are normalizing. And capital is being returned through disciplined buybacks.

Speaker #4: We survived disruption. We rebuilt the foundation and we now positioned at the intersection of audio enterprise distribution, behavioral data, AI, IP ownership, and scalable monetization.

Speaker #4: The next chapter is disciplined, margin, expanding growth. I want to thank everyone for their support. And appreciate your time today and I look forward to any questions.

Speaker #4: And at this point, I'm going to hand it off to Ryan Carhart, our CFO, who's done an exceptional job of delivering on these numbers.

Speaker #4: Thank you.

Speaker #5: Thanks, Rob. I'll spend just a few minutes providing a very brief overview of our results for the fiscal third quarter ended December 31, 2025.

Ryan Carhart: Thanks, Rob. I'll spend just a few minutes providing a very brief overview of our results for the fiscal third quarter ended December 31, 2025. Consolidated revenue for the three-month period ended December 31, 2025, was $20.3 million. Our audio division posted revenue for Q3 of $18.6 million and Adjusted EBITDA, $2.6 million. Consolidated Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 of fiscal year 2026 was a positive $1.6 million. On a US GAAP basis, LiveOne posted a consolidated net loss of $4.1 million or $0.37 per diluted share in Q3 fiscal 2026. At the operating level, our PodcastOne subsidiary posted record revenue of $15.9 million and Adjusted EBITDA of $2.8 million. Our Slacker subsidiary reported Q3 revenue of $2.8 million and Adjusted EBITDA of negative $0.1 million.

Speaker #5: Consolidated revenue for the three-month period ended December 31st, 2025, was $20.3 million. Our audio division posted revenue for Q3 of $18.6 million and adjusted EBITDA $2.6 million.

Speaker #5: Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter of fiscal year 2026 was a positive $1.6 million. On a US gap basis, LiveOne posted a consolidated net loss of $4.1 or 37 cents per diluted share in Q3 fiscal 2026.

Speaker #5: At the operating level, our podcast won subsidiary posted record revenue of $15.9 million and adjusted EBITDA of $2.8 million. Our Slacker subsidiary reported Q3 revenue of $2.8 million and adjusted EBITDA of negative $0.1 million.

Speaker #5: We are pleased to report continued record growth at podcast one subsidiary, which we expect to continue throughout the end of the year and into next year.

Ryan Carhart: We are pleased to report continued record growth at PodcastOne subsidiary, which we expect to continue throughout the end of the year and into next year. Concurrently, we are advancing several strategic partnerships from our business development pipeline that we believe have the potential to drive long-term growth and value creation. As we look ahead to fiscal 2027, we believe the company is well positioned for transformational growth. Rob, I'll turn it back to you.

Speaker #5: Concurrently, we are advancing several strategic partnerships from our business development pipeline that we believe have the potential to drive long-term growth and value creation.

Speaker #5: As we look ahead to fiscal 2027, we believe the company is well positioned for transformational growth. Rob, I'll turn it back to you.

Speaker #1: Yeah, thanks, Ryan. I think we covered almost everything and I think it's an opportunity for us to open up the floor for any questions.

Rob Ellin: Yeah, thanks. Thanks, Ryan. I think we covered almost everything, and I think it's an opportunity for us to open up the floor for any questions. Again, we have said that we will be launching three massive initiatives for the company before year-end. We are looking forward to the guidance that we just put out for next year, showing again, substantial growth, substantial growth opportunities. And with that, I'll open it up to any questions and look forward to it.

Speaker #1: Again, we have said that we will be launching three massive initiatives for the company before year-end. We are looking forward to the guidance that we just put out for next year, showing again substantial growth, substantial growth opportunities.

Speaker #1: And with that, I'll open it up to any questions and look forward to it.

Speaker #2: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. And your first question comes from the line of Barry Sine with Litchfield. Your line is open.

Speaker #2: And your first question comes from the line of Barry Sine with Litchfield, your line is open.

Speaker #3: Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Two questions, if you don't mind. First, on the B2B business, it seems to me that no two deals are alike.

Barry Sine: Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Two questions, if you don't mind. First, on the B2B business, it seems to me that no two deals are alike. Every single one seems to be customized, and it looks like you're doing that with AI because your staff is down pretty dramatically. Wonder if you could elaborate on that. Talk a little bit about what you're doing in terms of customization, some of the, you know, the options that you're giving customers. And then on a related note, you know, the potential, you know, risk, one of the other music streaming companies comes into the B2B space.

Speaker #3: Every single one seems to be customized. And it looks like you're doing that with AI because your staff is down pretty dramatically. Wonder if you could elaborate on that, talk a little bit about what you're doing in terms of customization, some of the options that you're giving customers, and then on a related note, the potential risk.

Speaker #3: One of the other music streaming companies comes into the B2B space.

Speaker #4: Yeah, I think it's to start with, it's very hard for any of them to come into the B2B space in the fashion that we have.

Rob Ellin: I think it's, you know, to start with, it's very hard for any of them to come into the B2B space in the fashion that we have, right? Number one, and you know my background all too well, Barry, and it's been built off of B2B deals, right? Whether it was iWon, whether it was Digital Turbine, it was Majesco. All of them have built off these massive distributors who already have an audience, right? We're not in the business of chasing an individual and spending $86 a sub, right? So number one is none of those, there's only a few, right? In the United States, there's only, like, 7 in the world. There's probably 12 altogether, what called DSPs. All those are, are massive in size, okay? And when you look at the, you know, the competition in the US, they're all our partners, right?

Speaker #4: Right? Number one, and you know my—been built off of B2B deals, right? Whether it was I won, whether it was Digital Turbine, it was Majesco, all of them have been built off these massive distributors who already have an audience, right?

Speaker #4: We're not in the business of chasing an individual and spending $86 a sub, right? So number one is, none of those, there's only a few, right?

Speaker #4: In the United States, only like seven. In the world, there's probably 12 altogether of what's called DSPs. All of those are massive in size, okay?

Speaker #4: And when you look at the competition in the US, they're all our partners, right? iHeart, Sirius, Spotify, Apple, Amazon, YouTube. Okay? The smallest valuation is $6 billion, then it goes to a trillion, right?

Rob Ellin: iHeart, Sirius, Spotify, Apple, Amazon, YouTube, okay? The smallest valuation is $6 billion, and then it goes to $1 trillion, right? So, none of them are going to give up their brand. None of them are going to be able to white label and be a white label solution. So the best way I can describe as these B2B deals are being launched, right? We publicly said that our Amazon deal has grown to over $20 million from originally starting very small. Same, same thing with our streaming partner, Fortune 250 company, grew from $2 million; it's now well over $26 million and growing, right? You're going to see the same type of transactions happening with those B2B partners. And when you look at the structure of them, number one, the reason that we're able to do this is we're the lowest price.

Speaker #4: So and none of them are going to give up their brand. None of them are going to be able to white label and be a white label solution.

Speaker #4: So the best way I can describe as these B2B deals are being launched, right, we publicly said that our Amazon deal is growing to over 20 million, from originally starting very small.

Speaker #4: Same thing with our streaming partner, Fortune 250 company, grew from 2 million. It's now well over 26 million and growing. Right? You're going to see the same type of transactions happening with those B2B partners.

Speaker #4: And when you look at the structure of them, number one, the reason that we're able to do this is we're the lowest price. We're the Walmart of the music space.

Rob Ellin: We're the Walmart of the music space. Number two is we're the most nimble. Because of the size of the company, we have the capability of servicing them in a very different way. And then very important is the ability that we have to be able to White Label. Right? None of those companies are going to give up their brands. And part of the excitement, you know, and energy in this is all those, all those competitors are partners of ours. We're all great friends and great partners, right? We're a small company, but our content is provided and put onto their platforms, and their content is on our platforms. So really exciting to, you know, be in this time where the cycle is changing. And for any of you that have been in any of my companies, I talk about these cycles.

Speaker #4: Number two is we're the most nimble because of the size of the company. We have the capability of servicing them in a very different way.

Speaker #4: And then very important, is the ability that we have to be able to white label. Right? None of those companies are going to give up their brands.

Speaker #4: And part of the excitement and energy in this is all those competitors are partners of ours. We're all great friends and great partners, right?

Speaker #4: We're a small company. But our content provide is provided and put onto their platforms. And their content is on our platforms. So really exciting to be in this time where the cycle is changing.

Speaker #4: And for any of you that have been in any of my companies, I talk about these cycles. The cycle is changing so fast. And with the initiatives of AI and what's happening, and how critical data is, all of these companies are competing with each other head-on.

Rob Ellin: The cycle is changing so fast, and with the initiatives with AI and what's happening and how critical data is, all these companies are competing with each other head on. It's kind of amazing to watch, whether it's a retailer, whether it's social media, you know, whether it's a streaming network; they're all crossing over each other's businesses in such a dynamic way. To think that Netflix has just entered the podcast space, right? Why they're entering? I humbly believe that you're going to see this year one of the streaming platforms buy a music platform or maybe each one of them. It makes so much logical sense for them to acquire one, and maybe that's why iHeart stock is up 6x, and maybe that's why Spotify was up $80 this week, right?

Speaker #4: It's kind of amazing to watch whether it's a retailer, whether it's a social media, whether it's a streaming network. They're all crossing over each other's businesses in such a dynamic way to think that Netflix is just entering the podcast space, right?

Speaker #4: Wide entering. I humbly believe that you're going to see this year one of the streaming platforms buy a music platform or maybe each one of them.

Speaker #4: It makes so much logical sense for them to acquire one. And maybe that's why iHeart stock is up 6x. And maybe that's why Spotify was up $80 this week, right?

Speaker #4: It's so fundamentally makes so much sense for a streaming platform to buy one of the audio platforms because they're fighting to raise their authors, right, by 50 cents or a dollar every two years.

Rob Ellin: It's so fundamentally makes so much sense for a streaming platform to buy one of the audio platforms because they're fighting to raise their ARPU, right, by $0.50 or $1 every 2 years. Well, if they added audio, they could add $3 to $10 a month without any additional costs up front. You don't have to make a movie, you don't have to make a television show. You don't have to spend $1 billion. Now, here's the Wild West that is happening. Because of AI, every retailer, right, everyone's got to compete with Amazon. So Amazon's got to compete with Walmart, Costco, Best Buy, and Shopify, right? They're all competing. And now you got Facebook entering the retail market, doing billions of dollars, and TikTok entering. So social media is entering, retail is entering.

Speaker #4: Well, if they added audio, they could add 3 to $10 a month without any additional cost upfront. You don't have to make a movie.

Speaker #4: You don't have to make a television show. You don't have to spend a billion dollars. Now, here's the Wild West that is happening because of AI.

Speaker #4: Every retailer, right? Everyone's got to compete with Amazon. So Amazon's got to compete with Walmart and Costco and Best Buy and Shopify, right, are all competing.

Speaker #4: And now you got Facebook entering the retail market doing billions of dollars. And TikTok entering. So social media is entering. Retail's rent. Anyone that has an online presence has to figure out how to keep that consumer engaged.

Rob Ellin: Anyone that has an online presence has to figure out how to keep that consumer engaged. There's no one on this call that doesn't have at least one music subscription. There's no one on this call that probably spends more time in media than anything other music, because you can take music with you, right? You know, everywhere, whether it's audio or video, you can take it everywhere, and especially as they've added podcasting into it, and especially as you add video into it. So I think we're uniquely positioned as a B2B partner, that we could either be a strategic partner, we could, there could be a strategic investment from a major partner here across all those different verticals I just articulated, right? And the ones we're already partners with. And there could be a M&A activity of someone trying to buy us.

Speaker #4: There's no one on this call that doesn't have at least one music subscription. There's no one on this call that probably spends more time in media than anything other music because you can take music with you, right?

Speaker #4: Everywhere, whether it's audio, video, you can take it everywhere. And especially as they've added podcasting into it. And especially as you add video into it.

Speaker #4: So, I think we're uniquely positioned as a B2B partner; we could either be a strategic partner, or there could be a strategic investment from a major partner here, across all those different verticals that I just articulated, right?

Speaker #4: And the ones we're already partners with. And there could be an M&A activity of someone trying to buy us. All those are very possible, especially with us currently trading in this huge discount.

Rob Ellin: All those are very possible, especially with us currently trading at this huge discount.

Barry Sine: And that's great. If I could ask one more question just on Slacker. It seems to me that you have a huge largely untapped opportunity to sell advertising into, you know, that base of non-subscription customers, ad-supported. How is that going? I don't know if you know, Ryan can give us the advertising revenue for Slacker in the quarter. I know you've added some partners in AI to kind of ramp that up. How is that process going? And you know, what is the potential for ad revenue from Slacker ad-supported customers?

Speaker #3: And that's great. If I could ask one more question just on Slacker. It seems to me that you have a huge, largely untapped opportunity to sell advertising into that base of non-subscription customers, ad-supported.

Speaker #3: How is that going? I don't know if Ryan can give us the advertising revenue for Slacker in the quarter. I know you've added some partners in AI to kind of ramp that up.

Speaker #3: How is that process going? And what is the potential for ad revenue from Slacker ad-supported customers?

Speaker #4: I mean, I'd be a little bit careful to separate just Slacker because we have a very robust advertising business, right? Across audio with our podcasting.

Rob Ellin: I mean, I'd be a little bit careful to separate just Slacker, because we have a very robust advertising business, right? Across audio with our podcasting, but specifically on our free subscribers, there's multiple reasons to have those free subscribers. Spotify claims that 60% of all of their free subscribers, and the reason they have a free tier, eventually convert to long-term subscription and paid subscription, right? I don't know whether it's over 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, or over 3 years, but that's a staggering number. So when we see our base of over 1 million free subscribers, number one is we've added advertising. We partnered with DAX, the number one programmatic advertising company in the world. We started with them only a couple of months ago. We've just raised our ARPUs by over 30%, right?

Speaker #4: But specifically on our free subscribers, there's multiple reasons to have those free subscribers. Spotify claims that 60% of all of their free subscribers and the reason they have a free to long-term subscription and paid subscription.

Speaker #4: Right? I don't know whether it's over three months, six months, 12 months, or over three years. But that's a staggering number. So when we see our base of over a million free subscribers, number one is we've added advertising.

Speaker #4: We partnered with DAX. The number one programmatic advertising company in the world. We started with them only a couple of months ago. We've just raised our authors by over 30%, right?

Speaker #4: And with that, it's just the beginning, right? It means at the inventory is getting filled, which means that people are listening, right? Which is a great sign.

Rob Ellin: And with that, it's just the beginning, right? It means that the inventory is getting filled, which means that people are listening, right, which is a great sign, and we'll continue to grow that. Now, you do that as a loss leader for a couple of things. One is you drive revenues. Two is you're going to lose some subscribers, right, who are going to go away. But most important is you're going to convert subscribers into paid subscription. So we look at all of those. With that, because of the unique B2B deals that we're doing and because of the structure of these deals, you could also see your partners bringing their own advertisers into the fold, that won't be about CPMs and CPAs. They'll be about a customer who's looking for those products and driving those products because of those relationships with that B2B partner.

Speaker #4: And we'll continue to grow that. Now, you do that as a loss leader for a couple of things. One is you drive revenues. Two is you're going to lose some subscribers, right, who are going to go away.

Speaker #4: But most important is you're going to convert subscribers into paid subscriptions. So we look at all of those. With that, because of the unique B2B deals that we're doing, and because of the structure of these deals, you could also see your partners bringing their own advertisers into the fold that won't be about CPMs and CPAs.

Speaker #4: They'll be about a customer who is looking for those products and driving those products because of those relationships with that B2B partner.

Speaker #3: Okay. That's excellent. Those are my questions. Thank you, Rob.

Brian Kinstlinger: Okay, that's excellent. Those are my questions. Thank you, Rob.

Barry Sine: Okay, that's excellent. Those are my questions. Thank you, Rob.

Speaker #5: Next question. Comes from the line of Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open.

Operator: Next question comes from the line of Brian Kinstlinger with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker #3: Great, thanks so much for taking my question. Way to get back to profit. You highlighted that the big streaming services will not white-label their music, which gives you a competitive advantage.

Brian Kinstlinger: Great. Thanks so much for taking my question. Way to get back to profit. You highlighted the big streaming services will not white label their music, which gives you a competitive advantage. What is the competitive landscape to provide content for these brands look like? And are the Spotifys of the world trying to partner with the same large brands to offer a non-white label solution to brands?

Speaker #3: What is the competitive landscape to provide content for these brands look like? And are the Spotifys of the world trying to partner with the same large brands to offer a non-white-labeled solution to brands?

Speaker #4: I mean, there's a little bit of that, but it's very hard to do the same thing we're doing, right? Obviously, the music business has been built off the backs of carriers.

Rob Ellin: I mean, there's a little bit of that, but it's, it's very hard to do the same thing we're doing, right? Obviously, you know, the music business has been built off the backs of carriers, right? And the carriers kind of lost their way in that, you know, they were in a robust market with, you know, low interest rates, right? Where they're enjoying that, you know, that low interest rate, and it's okay for them. But the reality is, as AI has exploded, everyone is waking up and saying, everybody's competing for every piece of the business. The crossover to think that, you know, you know, that Tesla, Elon Musk, Starlink, could be competing with Verizon, T-Mobile, and, and AT&T, right, is, is kind of scary, right? And, you know, that goes across almost everything as AI continues to expand.

Speaker #4: Right? And the carriers kind of lost their way. And that they were in a robust market with low interest rates. Right? Where their enjoying that low interest rate and it's okay for them.

Speaker #4: But the reality is, as AI has exploded, everyone is waking up and saying, everybody's competing for every piece of the business. The crossover—to think that Tesla, Elon Musk, Starlink could be competing with Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T, right?

Speaker #4: It's kind of scary, right? And that goes across almost everything as AI continues to expand. So I think what you're going to see is you're going to see a little bit of that where you may see some of those Spotify AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile deals.

Rob Ellin: So I think what you're gonna see is, you're gonna see a little bit of that, where you may see some of the Spotify app, you know, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile deals. But again, it's hard for them ever to white label or to be able to really offer them the same kind of offering that we give them with the flexibility or to service them in the same way, because it's just not as meaningful, right? You know, they've got a massive business, you know, $billions, $billions of dollars, right? We got a small business.

Speaker #4: But again, it's hard for them ever to white-label or to be able to really offer them the same kind of offering that we give them with the flexibility or to service them in the same way because it's just not as meaningful.

Speaker #4: Right? They've got a massive business, billions of dollars, right? We've got a small business. It's very important to us as we get those B2B deals to be able to service them and give their clients exactly what they need.

Rob Ellin: It's very important to us as we get those B2B deals, to be able to service them and give their clients exactly what they need, tailor the music, tailor the pricing, understand the needs of the exact consumer of each of those B2B partners, and understand that AI data and what we can deliver with it. And so I think we're uniquely positioned. I don't think there's anybody else in the space that can do what we're doing right now. I think that you're gonna get some competition, a little bit of it, in carriers probably, but you're not gonna really see it in the other verticals that we've talked about across streaming, social media, retailers. I don't think that that's going to be a competitor because they want their own brands, right?

Speaker #4: Tailor the music, tailor the pricing, understand the needs of the exact consumer of each of those B2B partners. And understand that AI data and what we can deliver with it.

Speaker #4: And so I think we're uniquely positioned. I don't think there's anybody else in the space that can do what we're doing right now. And I think that you're going to get some competition, a little bit of fit in carriers probably, but you're not going to really see it in the other verticals that we've talked about across streaming, social media, retailers.

Speaker #4: I don't think that that's going to be a competitor because they want their own brands. Right? We recently had a conversation with one of our B2B partners that we're launching like, "We don't need you as a brand.

Rob Ellin: You know, we recently had a conversation with one of our B2B partners that we're launching, and they're like, "We don't need you as a brand. We need you because of your service." You got 22 years of history, right? Remember, before we got here, that NOL was built by the likes of Columbia Mission Row, who put in $180 million into Slacker Radio, right? So the infrastructure was built, right? It's already all that, all the labels, all the publishers, all the dynamics, and all the payouts, right? You got to pay out 50 partners, right? It's a very complicated algorithm that if someone tried, in fact, Tesla tried it and they realized afterwards it's impossible. A, it's really hard to build and it costs $hundreds of millions.

Speaker #4: We need you because of your service." You got 22 years of history. Right? Remember, before we got here, that NOL was built by the likes of Columbia Mission Row, who put in 180 million dollars into Slacker Radio.

Speaker #4: Right? So the infrastructure was built, right? It's already all of that—all the labels, all the publishers, all the dynamics, and all the payouts.

Speaker #4: Right? You got to pay out 50 partners, right? It's a very complicated algorithm that, if someone tried, in

Speaker #1: In fact , Kessler tried it and he realized afterwards , it's impossible Hey , it's really hard to build and cost hundreds of millions of dollars .

Speaker #1: But second is , is you got to deal with all these partners and be able to pay all of them . It's a very complicated algorithm .

Rob Ellin: But second is, you got to deal with all these partners and be able to pay all of them. It's a very complicated algorithm. So I think we're uniquely positioned there as, you know, one of 10, right, really, in the country and one of 12 in the world, right, who is doing this, that we're really uniquely positioned to be able to grab those B2B deals and have enough of them, right? We won't get every one of them. We only need a couple of them, right? A few more of these deals. You keep adding to Amazon, Paramount, Telie, and, you know, Spotify, and you add to these deals. These are all, you know, $10 million plus deals.

Speaker #1: So I think we're uniquely positioned . There is , you know , one of ten . Right ? Really in the country and one of 12 in the world .

Speaker #1: Right . Who is doing this that were really uniquely positioned to be able to grab those B2B deals and have enough of them , right .

Speaker #1: We won't get every one of them . We only need a couple of them . Right ? A few more of these deals you keep adding to Amazon and Paramount and Kelly and you know , and Spotify and you add to these deals .

Speaker #1: These are all , you know , 10 million plus deals . You keep growing those . And there's no reason you can't see this company doing a quarter of $1 billion and getting back to that $25 million to $50 million of EBITDA over the next couple of years .

Rob Ellin: You keep growing those, and there's no reason you can't see this company doing a quarter of a billion dollars and getting back to that $25 million to $50 million of EBITDA over the next couple of years.

Speaker #2: Great . Then can you share any more information on the B2B partnership with the 30 million plus subscribers ? Is that contract signed ?

Brian Kinstlinger: Great. Then can you share any more information on the B2B partnership with the 30 million+ subscribers? Is that contract signed? What is the timing? What industry is this partner? And if it's not signed, what are the items that you need to get accomplished to get you over the finish line?

Speaker #2: What is the timing ? What industry is this partner ? And if it's not signed , what are the items that you need to get accomplished to get you over the finish line ?

Speaker #1: Yeah, so what I said was— and I'm going to be very careful in my words— but I, crystal clear, said these are being launched.

Rob Ellin: Yeah. So what I said was, and I'm going to be very careful with my words, but I clearly said, these are being launched, right? And what I clearly said is these are already signed, right? And what I said on the call today was there are multiple partners, right, in there who have over 50 million. So I've increased that number from 30 to over 50 million, right? So, and that's about as much detail as you can give. But what you can start to do is you can start to like we did with Tesla, right? Shockingly, right, out of 2 million cars, we resigned 1.2 million, approximately between free and paid, right? If you use a number, that's, that's a crazy, that's a 60% staggering number, right?

Speaker #1: Right . And what a crystal clear is , these are already signed . Right . And what I said on the call today was there are multiple partners right in there who have over 50 million .

Speaker #1: So I've increased that number from 30 to over 50 million . Right . So and that's about as much detail as you can give .

Speaker #1: But what you can start to do is you can to like we did with Tesla . Right . Shockingly , right out of 2 million cars , we re-signed 1.2 million , approximately between free and paid .

Speaker #1: Right . If you use a number that's that's a crazy that's a 60% staggering number , right ? If you use a 1% number , even a half a percent number , right .

Rob Ellin: If you use a 1% number, even a 0.5% number, right, that signs up from these partners, and like I said, there are three of them, of very serious size, Fortune 500 companies, and there's 100 more in the pipeline. When we last talked, Brian, you know, that hundred was I think we were 65 or 70. That pipeline is increasingly and is staggeringly increasing. And it's not because we're so smart, it's because we're the only ones who can truly do this right now. And like I said, you're seeing Netflix and TikTok entering the podcast space. You're seeing the likes of, you know, you know, audio businesses; these podcast businesses are getting bought up at aggressive, aggressive, aggressive valuations. It's 3x revenues, 5x revenues. A deal that just got done on Friday, it's 7x revenues, right?

Speaker #1: That signs up from these partners . And like I said , there are three of them . Of very serious size fortune 500 companies .

Speaker #1: And there's 100 more in the pipeline . When we last talked , Brian , you know , that 100 was I think we were 65 or 70 .

Speaker #1: That pipeline is increasingly in a staggering , staggeringly increasing . And it's not because we're so smart . It's because we're the only ones that could truly do this right now .

Speaker #1: And like I said , you're seeing Netflix and TikTok entering the podcast space . You're seeing the likes of , you know , you know , audio businesses , these podcast businesses getting bought up at aggressive , aggressive , aggressive valuation .

Speaker #1: It's three times revenues , five times revenues a deal . Just got done on Friday at seven times revenues . Right . Why is that .

Rob Ellin: Why is that? The data is so critical. These are, right, these are superhumans, superstars who have super fans. When you can get that data, those super fans, it's really hard for any of you that are using AI. You're watching, you try to put things into the model now, and things you used to be able to do... I put a little joke in from my daughter's wedding the other day, where I wanted to put a picture from Scarface with my son, who happens to be this great looking kid, and he, you know, literally looks like I was gonna, I was gonna make him look like- You cannot do that anymore.... So they're starting to block that content because more lawsuits are starting. The beauty of this is because we have the licenses, we have the capability of having the biggest stars in the world, right?

Speaker #1: The data is so critical . These are right . These are superhumans superstars who have superfans . When you can get that data , those superfans , it's really hard for any of these that are using AI .

Speaker #1: You're watching you try to put things into the model . Now and things you used to be able to do . I put a little joke in for my daughter's wedding the other day , where I wanted to put a picture from Scarface with my son , who happens to be his great looking kid , and he , you know , literally looks like I was gonna I was gonna make him look like you cannot do that anymore .

Speaker #1: So they're starting to block that content because all lawsuits are starting . The beauty of this is because we have the licenses . We have the capability of having the biggest stars in the world .

Speaker #1: The biggest musicians go across the board . You want Bad Bunny , you want Drake , you want Post Malone . If you go to sports , right , LeBron James can only play for the Lakers and music they're playing for everybody and they play for Spotify .

Rob Ellin: The biggest musicians. Go across the board. You want Bad Bunny, you want Drake, you want Post Malone? If you go to sports, right, LeBron James can only play for the Lakers. In music, they're playing for everybody, and they play for Spotify, they play for Apple, and they play for us. We have all the same music that anybody else has. We have all the same content. We have 46 patents around it. We have a $125 million NOL, and we have the flexibility to provide a unique service because of our middle tier, that we can price lower than anybody else. And because of our infrastructure, which is getting smaller and smaller and more powerful, Ken, it's getting better, right? You know, it's not like the more people we had, the better we are at this. We're actually getting better at it every day.

Speaker #1: They play for Apple and they play for us . We have all the same music that anybody else has . We have all the same content .

Speaker #1: We have 46 patents around it . We have $125 million . Knoll and we have the flexibility to provide a unique service because of our middle tier that we can price lower than anybody else .

Speaker #1: And because of our infrastructure , which is getting smaller and smaller and more powerful . Candidly , it's getting better , right ? You know , it's not like the more people we had , the better we are at this .

Speaker #1: We're actually getting better at it every day . We're getting stronger at it . We're able to deliver more music channels for way , way less cost .

Rob Ellin: We're getting stronger at it. We're able to deliver more music channels for way, way less cost. So we're really well positioned that if we can stay in the game long enough, there are going to be enough B2B partners. I say this humbly, right? Everyone who was in Digital Turbine with me, anyone who knows what I did with, with iWon, anyone that knows what we did with Majesco, they were all built off of 1 to 5 of these B2B deals that you're leveraging someone who already has built that massive audience, holding their hands, right? Literally giving you a full 360, right? We, we do anything they need to do to make sure that we service them. And if we could just land a few, few more of those, right?

Speaker #1: So we're really well positioned that if we can stay in the game long enough , they're going to be enough . B2B partners .

Speaker #1: I say this humbly , right ? Everyone who is in Digital Turbine with me , anyone who knows what I did with I want anyone that knows what we did with Majesco .

Speaker #1: They were all built off of 1 to 5 of these B2B deals that you're leveraging . Someone who already has built that massive audience holding their hands .

Speaker #1: Right ? Literally giving a full 360 . Right ? We we do anything they need to do to make sure that we service them .

Speaker #1: And if we could just land a few more of those , right . You know , who would imagine that Amazon has already grown to 20 and Paramount's over 2026 now .

Rob Ellin: You know, who would imagine that Amazon has already grown to 20 and Paramount's over 20, 26 now, right? These are growing fast. These are massive partners that have 10 million to 3 billion eyeballs like Facebook. And just think of every one of them who is missing a music subscription, a podcast piece, an audience like ours, right? We have, we have billions of impressions, right? You think about, you know, networks history, historically, if you listen to the All In podcast and Ari Emanuel, he said, "Right now, you're watching the new future." Syndication's coming back. There's only a few streaming partners, right? And then there's these trillion-dollar companies of Apple, Amazon, and YouTube, right? And they're all starting to buy Seinfeld, they're all starting to buy The Office. They're paying South Park billions of dollars.

Speaker #1: Right . These are growing fast . These are massive partners that have 10 million to 3 billion eyeballs like Facebook . And just think of every one of them who is missing a music subscription , a podcast piece , a audience like ours .

Speaker #1: Right . We have we have billions of impressions , right ? You think about your networks history . Historically , if you listen to the All In podcast and Ari Emanuel , he said , right now you're watching the new future Syndications coming back .

Speaker #1: There's only a few streaming partners , right ? And then there's these trillion dollar companies of Apple , Amazon and YouTube . Right .

Speaker #1: And they're all starting to buy Seinfeld . They're all starting to buy The office . They're paying South Park billions of dollars . But what it's going to be the biggest syndication , as always , is going to be talking heads .

Rob Ellin: But what is going to be the biggest syndication, as always, is going to be talking heads. Who was the biggest before? Oprah, Dr. Phil. We just signed Dr. Phil to our network, the biggest talent we've ever had in the history of our platform. Okay? We got to grow him. We got to build him again, right? He's just coming back to podcasting from, from the television side of it. But this was a guy who was paid $50 to 70 million by CBS. Those talking heads are desperately needed on these platforms. You just watch. You know, the Red Network is now bought. Fox has now bought up the Red Network. With that, they just bought Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, and they continue to, every week, take those talking heads. The consolidation back to the reality of where the business was, where there was audio and video.

Speaker #1: Who was the biggest before Oprah , Doctor Phil , we just signed Doctor Phil , the My Network biggest talent we've ever had in the history of our platform .

Speaker #1: Right ? We got to grow . We've got to build them again , right ? He's just coming back to podcasting from from the television side of it .

Speaker #1: But this was a guy who was paid 50 to 70 million by CBS . Those talking heads are desperately needed on these platforms .

Speaker #1: You just watch , you know , the network is now bought . Fox is now bought up . The Red network with that , they just bought Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly .

Speaker #1: They continue to every week . Take those talking heads . The consolidation back to the reality of where the business was , whether it was audio and video , audio and video come together in neat package , just like CBS radio and CBS television , right ?

Rob Ellin: Audio and video come together in a neat package, just like CBS Radio and CBS Television, right? Those talking heads across audio and video are going to be the largest paydays, just like Howard Stern, just like Ryan Seacrest, just like Joe Rogan is today. We're right in that sweet spot, so I think we have a very unique advantage of the proposition that we're offering and the pricing that we're offering.

Speaker #1: Those talking heads across audio and video are going to be the largest paydays , just like Howard Stern , just like Ryan Seacrest , just like Joe Rogan is today .

Speaker #1: We're right in that sweet spot. So I think we have a very unique advantage with the proposition that we're offering and the pricing that we're offering.

Speaker #2: Great . My last question is with the three massive B2B partnerships that are signed , maybe help us with how these might ramp .

Brian Kinstlinger: Great. My last question is, with the three massive B2B partnerships that are signed, maybe help us with how these might ramp. I think I heard you gave guidance of $85 to 95 million for next fiscal year, coming from plus or minus $7 to 8 million this year. What's contemplated in the high end and low end?

Speaker #2: I think I heard you gave guidance of 85 to 95 million for next fiscal year , but coming from plus or -78 million this year , what's contemplating the high end and low end ?

Speaker #1: Yeah , I mean , you know , again , we're we're trying to be super conservative in this because again you were running we're running .

Rob Ellin: Yeah, I mean, You know, again, we're trying to be super conservative in this because again, we're running, you know, as you run the traps on these, right, if you have two partners of over 50 million, right, and you have another partner with millions and millions, right? Okay, just take the hundred. If you took 0.5%, right, in conversion, right? And you can have multiple different pricing tiers, just like every music subscription, just like LiveOne has been since the time I've acquired it and the 17 years before me, right? This company has had hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues from carriers. They've had hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues from the likes of Samsung, way before I was involved in it, from Milk Studios, right?

Speaker #1: You know as you run the traps on these . Right . If you have two partners with over 50 million , right . And you have another partner with millions and millions , right .

Speaker #1: Okay . Just take the 100 . If you took a half of 1% right in conversion , right . And you can have multiple different pricing tiers , just like every music subscription , just like live one has been since the time I've acquired it .

Speaker #1: And and the 17 years before me . Right ? This company has had hundreds of millions of dollars of revenues from carriers . They've had hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue from the likes of Samsung .

Speaker #1: Way before I was involved in it , from milk Studios , right . You're just going back to that cycle again right now .

Rob Ellin: You're just going back to that cycle again right now, and as you ramp it up, take a super conservative model. Take, you know, I just sat with one of, one of your peers, right, in the industry and walked through it, and I said, "Just take 0.5%, 1%," right? The 60% that we signed in free and paid from Tesla is staggering. We're all shocked, right? We thought it'd be like 25% maximum. It's been 60%. But if you sign 1%, 0.5% to 1% of those numbers, you're gonna, you're gonna rebuild way past where we were with Tesla. We lost $56 million of revenues. We're ramping back up and catching back up on those.

Speaker #1: And as you ramped it up , take a super conservative model , take , you know , I just sat with one of one of your peers , right , in the industry and walked through it .

Speaker #1: And I said , just take half of 1% , 1% , right . The 60% that we signed in free and paid from Tesla is staggering .

Speaker #1: We're all shocked , right ? We thought it would be like 25% maximum . It's been 60% . But if you signed 1% , one half to 1% of those numbers , you're gonna you're going to rebuild way past where we were with Tesla .

Speaker #1: We lost $56 million of revenues . We're ramping back up and catching back up on those . We got a little bit of ways to go , but you can easily see , you know , this year or next year , this company , you know , heading towards , you know , well over $100 million on its way to a quarter of $1 billion by just getting a little tiny percentage of these partnerships

Rob Ellin: We got a little bit of ways to go, but you can easily see, you know, this year or next year, this company, you know, heading towards, you know, well over $100 million on its way to a quarter of a billion dollars by just getting a little tiny percentage of these partnerships.

Speaker #2: Great . Thanks so much

Brian Kinstlinger: Great. Thanks so much.

Speaker #3: Again , if you would like to ask a question , press star on your press star , one on your telephone keypad and your next question comes from the line of Sean McGowan with Roth Capital Partners .

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Speaker #1: Good morning , Shawn .

Rob Ellin: Good morning, Sean.

Speaker #4: Morning , Rob . How are you ? Yeah . Are you able to hear me ?

Sean McGowan: Morning, Rob. How are you? Yeah. You able to hear me?

Speaker #1: Yeah , I can hear you . It's a little bit quiet , but I can hear you .

Rob Ellin: Yeah, I can hear you. It's a little bit quiet, but I can hear you.

Speaker #4: Okay Try to speak up a couple of quick questions . So when will the ten Q's be out for both live on and podcast ?

Sean McGowan: Okay, try to speak up. A couple of quick questions. So when will the 10-Qs be out for both LiveOne and PodcastOne?

Speaker #5: Should this be out tomorrow ? Ryan . Yes , on this should be out tomorrow .

Rob Ellin: So they should be out tomorrow, Sean. Yeah, Sean, they should be out tomorrow.

Speaker #4: Tomorrow . Okay . Great . That's helpful . Shifting to costs a big part of the story here is a massive positive inflection in EBITDA relative to revenue .

Sean McGowan: Tomorrow. Okay, great. That's helpful. Shifting to costs, you know, a big part of the story here is a massive positive inflection in EBITDA relative to revenue. So can you help us with how sustainable the various cost buckets are at these current levels that we're seeing, really for both companies, but you know, let's say in the aggregate for LiveOne. Like, do you think G&A at this level is what we should expect for the next several quarters on a quarterly basis?

Speaker #4: So, can you help us with how sustainable the various cost buckets are at these current levels that we're seeing, really, for both companies?

Speaker #4: But , you know , let's say in the aggregate for for LiveOne, Inc. , do you think G&A at this level is what we should expect for the next several quarters on a quarterly basis ?

Speaker #5: Yes . Thank you . Yeah , I think you should absolutely model that forward . If not down , we continue to do everything we can to to reduce It's an ongoing effort .

Ryan Carhart: Yeah, Sean, thank you. Yeah, I think you should absolutely model that forward, if not down. We continue to do everything we can to reduce that. It's an ongoing effort. So, you know, our expectation is that next quarter, the G&A should go down even further. But, you know, where we're at right now reflects, you know, reflects something we're giving – we're spitting off positive EBITDA. But yes, I would expect that to go down next quarter, slightly, and we'll continue to fine-tune that as we go forward.

Speaker #5: So , you know , our expectation is that next quarter , the G&A should should go down even further . But you know where we're at right now reflects , you know , reflects something where we're we're spinning off positive EBITDA .

Speaker #5: But yes , I would expect that to go down next quarter slightly . And we'll continue to to fine tune that as we go forward

Sean McGowan: Okay. Same question for sales and marketing.

Speaker #4: And same question for sales and marketing .

Speaker #5: Yep . Same same

Ryan Carhart: Yep. Same, same answer.

Speaker #4: Same answer .

Sean McGowan: Same answer?

Speaker #5: Yes . Yeah . I think it's really a reflection of all of opex . John . Yeah .

Ryan Carhart: Yep. Yeah, I think it's really a reflection of all of OpEx, Sean. Yeah.

Speaker #4: Okay . Well , some of the ones that get added back for EBITDA , I'm also interested in . So , you know , depreciation and amortization seems to be , you know , leveling up .

Sean McGowan: Okay. Well, some of the ones that get added back for EBITDA, I'm also interested in. So, you know, depreciation and amortization seems to be, you know, leveling up. Should we expect that to increase?

Speaker #4: Should we expect that to increase

Ryan Carhart: Nothing material, you know, really, the depreciation and amortization line is going to be driven by CAP software. So same as kind of what you're seeing right now is about what we expect.

Speaker #5: Nothing material . You know , really depreciation is going to be driven by software . So same same as kind of what you're seeing right now is about what we expect .

Speaker #5: It could go up slightly over the next year as we continue to code out new new products for our new partnerships . But , you know , for for now , in the short term , I think , you know , you can roll that forward

Sean McGowan: Okay.

Ryan Carhart: It could go up slightly over the next year as we continue to code out new products for our new partnerships. You know, for now, in the short term, I think, you know, you can roll that forward.

Sean McGowan: Okay. And, you know, stock-based comp is something that on the podcast side, I know they've been using more of, stock, you know, for the talent, and we saw an increase there. But it also depends on grants and things like that. So what should we be expecting on stock-based comp over the next several quarters?

Speaker #4: And , you know , stock based comp is something that on the podcast side , I know there have been using more of stock , you know , for for the talent .

Speaker #4: And we saw an increase there and should . But it's also depends on grants and things like that . So what should we be expecting on stock based comp over the next several quarters ?

Speaker #5: Yeah , you should expect similar similar levels to this quarter going into next . And then it potentially could increase depending on , you know , how it goes with , you know , getting our talent online with with our with our equity plans .

Ryan Carhart: Yeah. You should expect similar levels to this quarter, going into next, and then it potentially could increase, depending on, you know, how it goes with, you know, getting our talent online with our equity plans. So-

Speaker #5: So you know, kind of, you can roll it forward and, you know, potentially expect some increase there. Okay.

Sean McGowan: Okay.

Ryan Carhart: You know, kind of you can roll it forward and, you know, potentially expect some increase there.

Sean McGowan: Okay. Thanks, and then I'm going to circle back a couple of questions that have been touched on, but I want to see if we can get a little bit more precise. So this, let's say, this 30 million subscriber deal. When - what's the timing on when that, when revenue from that deal would be expected to start to show up?

Speaker #4: Thanks . And then I'm going to circle back a couple of questions that have been touched on . But I want to see if we can get a little bit more precise .

Speaker #4: So, let's say there's a 30 million subscriber deal. When would the timing be on when revenue from that deal would be expected to start to show up?

Speaker #1: I want to take that Ryan Yeah .

Rob Ellin: You want me to take that, Ryan?

Ryan Carhart: Yeah, sure, Sean. You know, I think right now with one of them, we're on the cusp of, you know, of launching something. It'll be a test phase. So I think, you know, we're gonna be pushing that through this quarter. We don't expect it to really ramp until the following year. And, you know, we're not putting any numbers against that or anything right now, Sean, but, you know, I think you could start to see, you know, maybe a little bit come in this quarter and then the following quarter, you know.

Speaker #5: Sure . You know , I think right now with one of them , we're we're we're we're on the cusp of , you know , of launching something .

Speaker #5: It'll be a test phase . So I think , you know , we're going to be pushing that through this quarter . We don't expect it to really ramp until the following year .

Speaker #5: And , you know , we're we're not putting any any numbers against that or anything right now Shawn . But you know , I think you can start to see , you know , maybe a little a little bit .

Speaker #5: Come in this quarter and then and then the following quarter , you know , the ramp coming , then maybe ,

Sean McGowan: Right

Ryan Carhart: ... the ramp coming then. Maybe, maybe two quarters-

Sean McGowan: Right

Ryan Carhart: ... the ramp coming then. Maybe, maybe two quarters-

Speaker #4: Maybe 95 , 85 to $95 million audio guidance that does contemplate revenue from that deal . Right

Sean McGowan: $85 to 95, $85 to 95 million-dollar audio guidance, that does contemplate revenue from that deal, right?

Speaker #5: Yeah . The 85 Rob mentioned this earlier on . I mean , the 85 to 99 is a very , very conservative look forward .

Ryan Carhart: Yeah, the 85. Rob mentioned this earlier, Sean. I mean, the 85 to 95 is a very, very conservative look forward. So we would consider that to be a baseline case, a very baseline case, and it would only go up from there.

Speaker #5: So we would consider that to be a baseline case , a very baseline case . And it would only go up from there

Sean McGowan: Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm trying to get my arms around because it's easy to, it's easy to pencil out some numbers if you look at multiple deals that get to much higher numbers than that. So I'm just trying to figure out if there's any revenue from that particular B2B deal that is embedded in the $85 to 95. If you're saying there's some, but it could be better, that's one answer, but if you say there's none in there to that, then that's a different answer. So I'm just trying to figure out: Have you contemplated any revenue from that particular deal in that guidance?

Speaker #4: Okay . Yeah I mean that's what I'm trying to get my arms around because it's easy to it's easy to pencil out some numbers .

Speaker #4: If you look at multiple deals that get you much higher numbers than that . So I'm just trying to figure out if there's any revenue from that particular B2B deal .

Speaker #4: That is embedded in the 85 to 95 . If you're saying there's some , but it could be better . That's one answer .

Speaker #4: But if you say there's none in there for that, then that's a different answer. So I'm just trying to figure out how you contemplated any revenue from that particular deal in that guidance?

Speaker #1: Nick Nickels and dimes . Sean . Okay , okay . Yeah . We're being as you can see , we're being very careful because this is happening as we speak .

Rob Ellin: Nickels and dimes, Sean.

Sean McGowan: Okay.

Rob Ellin: Okay?

Sean McGowan: All right.

Rob Ellin: Yeah, we're being-

Sean McGowan: Thank you.

Rob Ellin: As you can see, we're being very careful 'cause this is happening as we speak, right? This is real time now, right? The first phase is done, the second phase is going, and the other ones are being launched shortly. But as we said, we expect all three of them to be out there publicly by year-end. So we're gonna be, you know, very conservative, but, you know, we look forward to Q4 and really talking about the highlights of where we think next year can be.

Speaker #1: Right ? This is real time . Now , right ? The first phase is done . The second phase is going . And the other ones are being launched shortly .

Speaker #1: But as we said , we expect all three of them to be out there publicly by year end . So we're going to be , you know , very conservative .

Speaker #1: But , you know , we look forward to the fourth quarter and really talking about highlights of where we think next year can be

Speaker #4: Okay . And then my last question is on back on the these Tesla users that have converted from , you know , the old model to the new .

Sean McGowan: Okay. And then my last question is back on these Tesla users that have converted from, you know, the old model to the new. It's right now, it's ad-supported. What kind of conversion are you seeing to paid so far, and are you expecting that to contribute, you know, more revenue? Are you expecting that number to grow, you know, the revenue from Tesla subscribers? Are you expecting that number to grow next fiscal year?

Speaker #4: It's right now it's ad supported . What kind of conversion are you seeing to paid so far . And are you expecting that to contribute more revenue .

Speaker #4: You expecting that number to grow ? You know , the revenue from Tesla subscribers are expecting that number to grow next fiscal year

Speaker #1: Absolutely . And what I would say , what I would say now is , you know , to kind of highlight is we just paid off $2.5 million of debt .

Rob Ellin: Absolutely. What I would say, what I would say now is, you know, to kind of highlight is we just paid off $2.5 million of debt. One of the beauties, right, of what happens with these is you get year-long subscriptions, so you get a chunk of money upfront. And so that should be very, very helpful, right, in building balance sheet, using to buy back stock, pay down debt, and, you know, we couldn't be more excited that we've- we've paid off all of our, our junior debt, and now part of our, our senior debt is starting to be paid. We couldn't be more excited to do that and to, you know, to continue to strengthen the balance sheet.

Speaker #1: One of the beauties , right , of what happens with these is you get year long subscriptions . So you get a chunk of money upfront .

Speaker #1: And so that should be very , very helpful . Right . In building balance sheet , using to buy back stock , pay down debt .

Speaker #1: And you know , we couldn't be more excited that we've we've paid off all of our our junior debt . And now part of our senior debt is starting to be paid .

Speaker #1: We couldn't be more excited to do that . And to , you know , to continue to strengthen the balance sheet . And I think you'll see a lot more excitement coming this quarter right around the additional cleanup of that balance sheet .

Rob Ellin: I think you'll see a lot more excitement coming this quarter, right, around the additional cleanup of that balance sheet and strengthening of the balance sheet over the next, literally, you know, 30 to 60 days.

Speaker #1: And strengthening of the balance sheet over the next , literally , you know , 30 to 60 days

Speaker #4: Okay . Thank you very much , guys . I appreciate it

Sean McGowan: ... Okay, thank you very much, guys. I appreciate it.

Speaker #3: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn it over to Mr. Elon for closing remarks.

Operator: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn it over to Mr. Ellin for closing remarks.

Speaker #4: Yeah , I .

Speaker #1: Think I think we've covered everything . I just want to thank everyone for your patience . Thank you for being supportive . We couldn't be more excited about the business .

Rob Ellin: Yeah, I think we've covered everything. I just want to thank everyone for your patience. Thank you for being supportive. We couldn't be more excited about the business, and I say this very humbly. I really think that right now, the current B2B deals and the ones imminently coming out, you know, put us in a position that this could be the biggest opportunity that I've been involved in my career. I am looking forward to stepping down as president, right in the very near future and bringing in an operating president, which we've had previously and had great success with, right? Pre-COVID.

Speaker #1: And I say this very humbly . I really think that right now , the current B2B deals and the ones imminently coming out , you know , put us in a position that this could be the biggest opportunity that I've been involved in my career .

Speaker #1: I am looking forward to stepping down as president right in the very near future and bringing in an operating president . Which we've had previously and had great success with .

Speaker #1: I pre-COVID , bringing its own again , adding to it and putting them next to me in a position that they have both public experience and building , as well as selling public companies for $1 billion of battery , just like I've done before and done before my other companies .

Rob Ellin: Bringing in someone, again, adding to it and putting them next to me in a position that they have both public experience in building as well as selling public companies for a billion dollars or better, just like I've done before, and done before at my other companies, and really focusing my energy on M&A side. We have not done an acquisition in a substantial period of time, which is unique. We usually have, you know, one acquisition a year, and we haven't done one in a few years. This has now become an exciting time for that, as well as on the other side of it is, we have to really explore those strategic partners or potential buyers of a subsidiary or a co-- or the whole company at some point, and that the inbound calls are coming in.

Speaker #1: And really focusing my energy on the M&A side, we have not done an acquisition in a substantial period of time, which is unique.

Speaker #1: We usually have , you know , one acquisition a year and we haven't done one in a few years . This has now become an exciting time for that , as well as on the other side of it is we have to really explore those strategic partners or potential buyers of a subsidiary or or the whole company .

Speaker #1: At some point , and that the inbound calls are coming in . So I want to focus my energy on that , and then my key energy right now is I am so really fascinating , excited about what AI is doing for our company and doing for the industry .

Rob Ellin: So I want to focus my energy on that. And then my key energy right now is I, I am so really fascinated and excited about what AI is doing for our company and doing for the industry. I want to focus the energy on that and on our B2B deals and that crossover between them. I, I really believe that the data of music is so critical to building these data, you know, all these data, all, all of these AI models, right? That music is going to be a very important component of that, and I think we're right in the center of the ring of that, and having the talent we have behind it is going to give us the ability to really expand those. So I'm going to spend a lot of energy on that.

Speaker #1: I want to focus the energy on that and on our B2B deals, and that crossover them. I really believe that the data of music is so critical to building these data.

Speaker #1: You know , all these data , all of these AI models , right ? That music is going to be a very important component of that .

Speaker #1: And I think we're right in the center of the ring of that. And having the talent we have behind it is going to give us the ability to really expand those.

Speaker #1: So I'm going to spend a lot of energy on that now . The is completed . We're really going to focus on that $125 million Noel , as everyone knows , in Digital Turbine , when we started eating away at that knoll and started showing profits , which I expect the end of this year .

Rob Ellin: Now that the restructuring is completed, we're really going to focus on that $125 million NOL. As everyone knows, in Digital Turbine, when we started eating away at that NOL and started showing profits, which I expect the end of this year, right? You're going to get GAAP earnings, and you could have, you know, just a massive, massive run in the stock and under GAAP earnings. So I'm laser focused on that, and I think, you know, fully expect that you'll see an operating president in here in the very near future with, with a big background at building and selling, you know, a multi-billion dollar public company.

Speaker #1: Right , you're going to get GAAP earnings and you could have , you know , just a massive , massive run in the stock .

Speaker #1: And under GAAP earnings . So I'm laser focused on that . And I think , you know , fully expect that . You'll see a operating president in here in the very near future with with a big background at building and selling , you know , multibillion dollar public company

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.

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