Q4 2025 Ross Stores Inc Earnings Call
Speaker #1: Good afternoon and welcome to the ROSS STORES, fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 earnings release conference call. The call will begin with prepared comments by management, followed by a question-and-answer session.
Operator: Good afternoon, welcome to the Ross Stores Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. The call will begin with prepared comments by management, followed by a question-and-answer session. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Before we get started, on behalf of Ross Stores, I would like to note that the comments made on this call will contain forward-looking statements regarding expectations about future growth and financial results, including sales and earnings forecasts, new store openings, and other matters that are based on the company's current forecast of aspects of its future business. These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical performance or current expectations.
Operator: Good afternoon, welcome to the Ross Stores Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. The call will begin with prepared comments by management, followed by a question-and-answer session. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad.
Speaker #1: If anyone should, regarding subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical performance or current expectations. Risk factors are included in today's press release, and the company's fiscal 2024 Form 10-K and fiscal 2025 Form 10-Qs and 8-Ks on file with the SEC.
Speaker #1: require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Before we get started, on behalf of ROSS STORES, I would like to note that the comments made on this call will contain forward-looking statements.
Operator: Before we get started, on behalf of Ross Stores, I would like to note that the comments made on this call will contain forward-looking statements regarding expectations about future growth and financial results, including sales and earnings forecasts, new store openings, and other matters that are based on the company's current forecast of aspects of its future business.
Operator: These forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from historical performance or current expectations. Risk factors are included in today's press release and the company's fiscal 2024 Form 10-K and fiscal 2025 Form 10-Qs and 8-K is on file with the SEC. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jim Conroy, Chief Executive Officer.
Operator: Risk factors are included in today's press release and the company's fiscal 2024 Form 10-K and fiscal 2025 Form 10-Qs and 8-K is on file with the SEC. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Jim Conroy, Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #1: And now I'd like to turn the call over to Jim Conroy, Chief Executive Officer.
Speaker #2: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today are Michael Hartshorn, Group President and Chief Operating Officer; Phil Sheehan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Connie Kao, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations.
Jim Conroy: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today are Michael Hartshorn, Group President and Chief Operating Officer, Bill Sheehan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Connie Kao, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Before I review our performance for the quarter and the year, I wanted to acknowledge all of the associates throughout the Ross organization. The results we achieved in 2025 are a direct reflection of your dedication and hard work throughout the year. The strong collaboration across the company in all functional areas was essential to our success. I want to thank all of you for your great work. Now turning to our quarterly results. As noted in today's press release, we are pleased to report that our business momentum accelerated further in Q4, with both sales and earnings significantly surpassing our expectations.
Jim Conroy: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on our call today are Michael Hartshorn, Group President and Chief Operating Officer, Bill Sheehan, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Connie Kao, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Before I review our performance for the quarter and the year, I wanted to acknowledge all of the associates throughout the Ross organization.
Speaker #2: Before I review our performance for the quarter and the year, I wanted to acknowledge all of the associates throughout the ROSS organization. The results we achieved in 2025 are a direct reflection of your dedication and hard work throughout the year.
Jim Conroy: The results we achieved in 2025 are a direct reflection of your dedication and hard work throughout the year. The strong collaboration across the company in all functional areas was essential to our success. I want to thank all of you for your great work. Now turning to our quarterly results. As noted in today's press release, we are pleased to report that our business momentum accelerated further in Q4, with both sales and earnings significantly surpassing our expectations.
Speaker #2: The strong collaboration across the company, and all functional areas, was essential to our success. I want to thank all of you for your great work.
Speaker #2: Now turning to our quarterly results. As noted in today's press release, we are pleased to report that our business momentum accelerated further in the fourth quarter, with false sales and earnings significantly surpassing our expectations.
Speaker #2: Throughout the holiday season, we delivered compelling merchandise assortments to our stores, benefited from higher customer engagement through our new marketing campaigns, and executed in-store initiatives that enhanced the customer experience.
Jim Conroy: Throughout the holiday season, we delivered compelling merchandise assortments to our stores, benefited from higher customer engagement through our new marketing campaigns, and executed in-store initiatives that enhanced the customer experience. These efforts, combined with healthy growth in new stores, contributed to a 12% growth in total sales for the quarter. Turning to comparable store sales growth. We delivered a robust 9% increase despite a 1 percentage point erosion in comps from weather, primarily the January storms that impacted many parts of the country. We were quite pleased with the health of the comp growth as it was driven mainly by an increase in transactions and customers with a modest increase in basket. We saw broad-based strength across both departments and geographies. Every major merchandise category showed solid positive sales growth with shoes and cosmetics performing the best.
Jim Conroy: Throughout the holiday season, we delivered compelling merchandise assortments to our stores, benefited from higher customer engagement through our new marketing campaigns, and executed in-store initiatives that enhanced the customer experience. These efforts, combined with healthy growth in new stores, contributed to a 12% growth in total sales for the quarter.
Speaker #2: These in new stores, contributed to a 12% growth in total sales for the quarter. Turning to comparable store sales growth, we delivered a robust 9% increase despite a 1 percentage point erosion in comps from weather, primarily the January storms that impacted many parts of the country.
Jim Conroy: Turning to comparable store sales growth. We delivered a robust 9% increase despite a 1 percentage point erosion in comps from weather, primarily the January storms that impacted many parts of the country. We were quite pleased with the health of the comp growth as it was driven mainly by an increase in transactions and customers with a modest increase in basket. We saw broad-based strength across both departments and geographies. Every major merchandise category showed solid positive sales growth with shoes and cosmetics performing the best.
Speaker #2: We were quite pleased with the health of the comp growth, as it was driven mainly by an increase in transactions and customers, with a modest increase in basket.
Speaker #2: We saw broad-based strength across both departments and geographies. Every major merchandise category showed solid positive sales growth, with shoes and cosmetics performing the best.
Speaker #2: Similarly, every region of the country was positive, with the Midwest and mountain regions the strongest. CD's discounts also posted healthy sales gains as the chain's value and fashion offerings continued to resonate with shoppers.
Jim Conroy: Similarly, every region of the country was positive, with the Midwest and Mountain regions the strongest. dd's DISCOUNTS also posted healthy sales gains as the chain's value and fashion offerings continued to resonate with shoppers. Similar to Ross, the growth was broad-based across both merchandise categories and regions. Moving to inventory. Consolidated inventories were up 8% and packaway represented 37% of total inventory compared with 41% last year. We are pleased with our inventory position at year-end. Regarding our store expansion program, 2025 was an exciting year of continued growth as we expanded into new markets while deepening our footprint in existing ones. During the year, we added 80 new Ross Dress for Less stores and 10 dd's DISCOUNTS stores. Importantly, we expanded into several new markets for Ross, including our first stores in the New York Metro area and Puerto Rico.
Jim Conroy: Similarly, every region of the country was positive, with the Midwest and Mountain regions the strongest. dd's DISCOUNTS also posted healthy sales gains as the chain's value and fashion offerings continued to resonate with shoppers. Similar to Ross, the growth was broad-based across both merchandise categories and regions. Moving to inventory. Consolidated inventories were up 8% and packaway represented 37% of total inventory compared with 41% last year.
Speaker #2: Similar to Ross, the growth was broad-based across both merchandise categories and regions. Moving to inventory, consolidated inventories were up 8%, and packaway represented 37% of total inventory compared with 41% last year.
Speaker #2: We are pleased with our inventory position at year-end. Regarding our store expansion program, 2025 was an exciting year of continued growth as we expanded into new markets while deepening our footprint in existing ones.
Jim Conroy: We are pleased with our inventory position at year-end. Regarding our store expansion program, 2025 was an exciting year of continued growth as we expanded into new markets while deepening our footprint in existing ones. During the year, we added 80 new Ross Dress for Less stores and 10 dd's DISCOUNTS stores. Importantly, we expanded into several new markets for Ross, including our first stores in the New York Metro area and Puerto Rico.
Speaker #2: During the year, we added 80 new Ross Dress for Less stores and 10 dd's DISCOUNTS stores. Importantly, we expanded into several new markets for Ross, including our first stores in the New York metro area and Puerto Rico.
Speaker #2: Inclusive of nine closures, we ended the year with 2,267 stores, consisting of 1,904 Ross Dress for Less and 363 dd’s DISCOUNTS locations. Before I turn the call over to Bill, I'd like to briefly review initiatives underway that position us well for incremental sales and profit growth as we enter 2026.
Jim Conroy: Inclusive of 9 closures, we ended the year with 2,267 stores consisting of 1,904 Ross Dress for Less and 363 dd's DISCOUNTS locations. Before I turn the call over to Bill, I'd like to briefly review initiatives underway that position us well for incremental sales and profit growth as we enter 2026. First, with merchandising. We are pleased with the strength of our assortments across the store, where we have delivered more brands at the right values for our customers. Our buying organization has done an incredible job navigating through tariffs and strengthening our vendor relationships to deliver merchandise that is resonating with our customers. It is encouraging to see the strength in the ladies business, as well as the solid growth and continued sequential improvement with our home category, which faced heavy pressure from tariffs throughout the year.
Jim Conroy: Inclusive of 9 closures, we ended the year with 2,267 stores consisting of 1,904 Ross Dress for Less and 363 dd's DISCOUNTS locations. Before I turn the call over to Bill, I'd like to briefly review initiatives underway that position us well for incremental sales and profit growth as we enter 2026. First, with merchandising. We are pleased with the strength of our assortments across the store, where we have delivered more brands at the right values for our customers.
Speaker #2: First, with merchandising. We are pleased with the strength of our assortments across the store, where we have delivered more brands at the right values for our customers.
Speaker #2: Our buying organization has done an incredible job navigating through tariffs and strengthening our vendor relationships to deliver merchandise that has resonated with our customers.
Jim Conroy: Our buying organization has done an incredible job navigating through tariffs and strengthening our vendor relationships to deliver merchandise that is resonating with our customers. It is encouraging to see the strength in the ladies business, as well as the solid growth and continued sequential improvement with our home category, which faced heavy pressure from tariffs throughout the year.
Speaker #2: It is encouraging to see the strength in the ladies' business, as well as the solid growth and continued sequential improvement with our home category, which faced heavy pressure from tariffs throughout the year.
Speaker #2: Looking forward, we are pleased with our inventory levels and are seeing ample availability in the marketplace to support our business trend going forward. On the marketing front, we are pleased with our holiday campaign as we continue to refine our brand messaging and believe it is connecting with today’s shopper.
Jim Conroy: Looking forward, we are pleased with our inventory levels and are seeing ample availability in the marketplace to support our business trend going forward. On the marketing front, we are pleased with our holiday campaign as we continue to refine our brand messaging and believe it is connecting with today's shopper. We are encouraged by the higher levels of customer awareness and engagement we are seeing. We are also quite pleased with the increase in customer traffic and believe that this positions us well for continued growth as we look ahead. In our stores, we have made meaningful merchandising and operational improvements, which we believe also contributed to the outsized sales growth. The stores team did a great job of managing the holiday surge in the business.
Jim Conroy: Looking forward, we are pleased with our inventory levels and are seeing ample availability in the marketplace to support our business trend going forward. On the marketing front, we are pleased with our holiday campaign as we continue to refine our brand messaging and believe it is connecting with today's shopper.
Jim Conroy: We are encouraged by the higher levels of customer awareness and engagement we are seeing. We are also quite pleased with the increase in customer traffic and believe that this positions us well for continued growth as we look ahead. In our stores, we have made meaningful merchandising and operational improvements, which we believe also contributed to the outsized sales growth. The stores team did a great job of managing the holiday surge in the business.
Speaker #2: We are encouraged by the higher levels of customer awareness and engagement we are seeing. We are also quite pleased with the increase in customer traffic and believe that this positions us well for continued growth as we look ahead.
Speaker #2: In our stores, we have made meaningful merchandising and operational improvements, which we believe also contributed to the outsized sales growth. The stores team did a great job of managing the holiday surge in the business.
Speaker #2: Additionally, the supply chain organization executed extremely well during the peak season, which enabled us to drive exceptional sales growth through fresh receipts and fast-turning inventory.
Jim Conroy: Additionally, the supply chain organization executed extremely well during the peak season, which enabled us to drive exceptional sales growth through fresh receipts and fast turning inventory. Overall, we are encouraged by the positive impact these initiatives have had on our recent performance, and we see opportunities to build on these learnings to support our growth plans in 2026 and beyond. As we enter the new year, we are seeing a very strong start to the Q1, which gives us confidence that our focus on improving our connection with the customer is taking hold. Turning to store expansion. Many of the changes we implemented that helped drive comp store sales growth also had a positive impact on new store productivity, which further bolsters our confidence in accelerating our store opening plans going forward.
Jim Conroy: Additionally, the supply chain organization executed extremely well during the peak season, which enabled us to drive exceptional sales growth through fresh receipts and fast turning inventory. Overall, we are encouraged by the positive impact these initiatives have had on our recent performance, and we see opportunities to build on these learnings to support our growth plans in 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #2: Overall, we are encouraged by the positive impact these initiatives have had on our recent performance, and we see opportunities to build on these learnings to support our growth plans in 2026 and beyond.
Speaker #2: As we enter the new year, we are seeing a very strong start to the first quarter, which gives us confidence that our focus on improving our connection with the customer is taking hold.
Jim Conroy: As we enter the new year, we are seeing a very strong start to the Q1, which gives us confidence that our focus on improving our connection with the customer is taking hold. Turning to store expansion. Many of the changes we implemented that helped drive comp store sales growth also had a positive impact on new store productivity, which further bolsters our confidence in accelerating our store opening plans going forward.
Speaker #2: Turning to store expansion, many of the changes we implemented that helped drive comp store sales growth also had a positive impact on new store productivity, which further bolsters our confidence in accelerating our store opening plans going forward.
Speaker #2: As a result, we are planning to open 110 new locations this year, which represents 5% growth. Part of that growth reflects the re-acceleration of DD's discounts, with plans to open 25 stores in 2026.
Jim Conroy: As a result, we are planning to open 110 new locations this year, which represents 5% growth. Part of that growth reflects the re-acceleration of dd's DISCOUNTS, with plans to open 25 stores in 2026. For Ross, we see an opportunity to open 85 new stores this year, slightly above last year. As we continue to identify attractive real estate opportunities across our markets, we remain confident in the long-term potential to grow Ross and dd's DISCOUNTS chains to 2,900 and 700 stores, respectively, and expand our reach to even more customers over time. Now, Bill will provide further details on our Q4 and fiscal year results and additional color on our outlook for fiscal 2026.
Jim Conroy: As a result, we are planning to open 110 new locations this year, which represents 5% growth. Part of that growth reflects the re-acceleration of dd's DISCOUNTS, with plans to open 25 stores in 2026. For Ross, we see an opportunity to open 85 new stores this year, slightly above last year.
Speaker #2: For ROSS, we see an opportunity to open 85 new stores this year, slightly above last year. As we continue to identify attractive real estate opportunities across our markets, we remain confident in the long-term potential to grow ROSS and DD's chains to 2,900 and 700 stores respectively.
Jim Conroy: As we continue to identify attractive real estate opportunities across our markets, we remain confident in the long-term potential to grow Ross and dd's DISCOUNTS chains to 2,900 and 700 stores, respectively, and expand our reach to even more customers over time. Now, Bill will provide further details on our Q4 and fiscal year results and additional color on our outlook for fiscal 2026.
Speaker #2: And expand our reach to even more customers over time. Now, Bill will provide further details on our fourth quarter and fiscal year results and additional color on our outlook for fiscal 2026.
Speaker #3: Thank you, Jim. Turning to our financial results, starting with the fourth quarter. Total sales for the quarter grew 12% to $6.6 billion. Comparable store sales grew a robust 9%, primarily driven by an increase in the number of transactions.
Bill Sheehan: Thank you, Jim. Turning to our financial results, starting with Q4. Total sales for the quarter grew 12% to $6.6 billion. Comparable store sales grew a robust 9%, primarily driven by an increase in the number of transactions. Q4 2025 operating margin was 12.3% compared to last year's 12.4%, which included a 105 basis point benefit from the sale of a packaway facility. Excluding the benefit last year, operating margin increased 95 basis points. Cost of goods sold was 55 basis points lower in the quarter. Occupancy leveraged by 30 basis points on strong sales results, while distribution and domestic freight costs declined by 20 and 15 basis points, respectively. merchandise margin improved by 10 basis points.
Bill Sheehan: Thank you, Jim. Turning to our financial results, starting with Q4. Total sales for the quarter grew 12% to $6.6 billion. Comparable store sales grew a robust 9%, primarily driven by an increase in the number of transactions. Q4 2025 operating margin was 12.3% compared to last year's 12.4%, which included a 105 basis point benefit from the sale of a packaway facility.
Speaker #3: Fourth quarter 2025 operating margin was 12.3%, compared to last year's 12.4%, which included a 105 basis point benefit from the sale of a pack-away facility.
Speaker #3: Excluding the benefit last year, operating margin increased 95 basis points. Cost of goods sold was $65 basis points lower in the quarter. Occupancy leverage leveraged by 30 basis points on strong sales results.
Bill Sheehan: Excluding the benefit last year, operating margin increased 95 basis points. Cost of goods sold was 55 basis points lower in the quarter. Occupancy leveraged by 30 basis points on strong sales results, while distribution and domestic freight costs declined by 20 and 15 basis points, respectively. merchandise margin improved by 10 basis points.
Speaker #3: While distribution and domestic freight costs declined by 20 and 15 basis points, respectively, merchandise margin improved by 10 basis points. Partially offsetting these benefits were buying costs that rose by 10 basis points, mainly due to higher incentives given the earnings outperformance.
Bill Sheehan: Partially offsetting these benefits were buying costs that rose by 10 basis points, mainly due to higher incentives given the earnings outperformance. SG&A for the period rose 75 basis points, primarily due to last year's packaway facility sale. Excluding the sale, SG&A was 30 basis points lower. Q4 net income was $646 million and earnings per share for the Q4 was $2. This compares to net income of $587 million and $1.79 in earnings per share in the prior year, which included the previously mentioned benefit of approximately $0.14 per share related to the sale of a packaway facility. Excluding the benefit, earnings per share for the Q4 grew 21%. Turning to results for the full year.
Bill Sheehan: Partially offsetting these benefits were buying costs that rose by 10 basis points, mainly due to higher incentives given the earnings outperformance. SG&A for the period rose 75 basis points, primarily due to last year's packaway facility sale. Excluding the sale, SG&A was 30 basis points lower. Q4 net income was $646 million and earnings per share for the Q4 was $2.
Speaker #3: SG&A for the period rose 75 basis points, primarily due to last year's pack-away facility sale. Excluding the sale, SG&A was 30 basis points lower.
Speaker #3: Fourth quarter net income was $646 million. And earnings per share for the fourth quarter was $2. This compares to net income of $587 million and $1.79 in earnings per share in the prior year, which included the previously mentioned benefit of approximately 14 cents per share related to the sale of a pack away facility.
Bill Sheehan: This compares to net income of $587 million and $1.79 in earnings per share in the prior year, which included the previously mentioned benefit of approximately $0.14 per share related to the sale of a packaway facility. Excluding the benefit, earnings per share for the Q4 grew 21%. Turning to results for the full year.
Speaker #3: Excluding the benefit, earnings per share for the quarter grew 21%. Now, turning to results for the full year. Total sales for the year increased 8% to a record $22.8 billion.
Bill Sheehan: Total sales for the year increased 8% to a record $22.8 billion, up from $21.1 billion last year. Comparable store sales grew 5% on top of a solid 3% gain in fiscal 2024. Net income for fiscal 2025 was $2.1 billion, similar to last year. Earnings per share were $6.61, up from $6.32 in the prior year. Excluding the previously mentioned $0.14 gain from the facility sale last year and the approximate $0.16 per share impact from tariff related costs this year, earnings per share grew 10%. Now to our shareholder return activity.
Bill Sheehan: Total sales for the year increased 8% to a record $22.8 billion, up from $21.1 billion last year. Comparable store sales grew 5% on top of a solid 3% gain in fiscal 2024. Net income for fiscal 2025 was $2.1 billion, similar to last year. Earnings per share were $6.61, up from $6.32 in the prior year. Excluding the previously mentioned $0.14 gain from the facility sale last year and the approximate $0.16 per share impact from tariff related costs this year, earnings per share grew 10%. Now to our shareholder return activity.
Speaker #3: Up from $21.1 billion last year. Comparable store sales grew 5%, on top of a solid 3% gain in fiscal 2024. Net income for fiscal 2025 was $2.1 billion.
Speaker #3: Similar to last year. Earnings per share were $6.61, up from $6.32 in the prior year. Excluding the previously mentioned 14 cent gain from the facility sale last year, and the approximate 16 cent per share impact from tariff-related costs this year, earnings per share grew 10%.
Speaker #3: Now to our shareholder return activity. As noted in today's release, we repurchased $1.5 million shares during the quarter, completing the two-year $2.1 billion program announced in March 2024 in line with our plans.
Bill Sheehan: As noted in today's release, we repurchased 1.5 million shares during the quarter, completing the 2-year, $2.1 billion program announced in March 2024, in line with our plans. Our board of directors recently approved a new 2-year, $2.55 billion stock repurchase authorization, or approximately $1.275 billion each year for fiscal years 2026 and 2027. This new plan represents a 21% increase over the recently completed repurchase program. In addition, the board also approved a 10% increase in our quarterly cash dividend to $0.445 per share. The increase to our stock repurchase and dividend programs reflect our continued commitment to return excess cash to our shareholders after funding growth and other capital needs of our business. Now let's discuss our outlook for fiscal 2026, starting with Q1.
Bill Sheehan: As noted in today's release, we repurchased 1.5 million shares during the quarter, completing the 2-year, $2.1 billion program announced in March 2024, in line with our plans. Our board of directors recently approved a new 2-year, $2.55 billion stock repurchase authorization, or approximately $1.275 billion each year for fiscal years 2026 and 2027.
Speaker #3: Our board of directors recently approved a new two-year $2.55 billion stock repurchase authorization, or approximately $1.275 billion each year, for fiscal years 2026 and 2027.
Bill Sheehan: This new plan represents a 21% increase over the recently completed repurchase program. In addition, the board also approved a 10% increase in our quarterly cash dividend to $0.445 per share. The increase to our stock repurchase and dividend programs reflect our continued commitment to return excess cash to our shareholders after funding growth and other capital needs of our business. Now let's discuss our outlook for fiscal 2026, starting with Q1.
Speaker #3: This new plan represents a 21% increase over the recently completed repurchase program. In addition, the board also approved a 10% increase in our quarterly cash dividend to $44.50 per share.
Speaker #3: The increase to our stock repurchase and dividend programs reflects our continued commitment to return excess cash to our shareholders, after funding growth and other capital needs of our business.
Speaker #3: Now let's discuss our outlook for fiscal 2026, starting with the first quarter. As Jim noted earlier, we ended the quarter with solid momentum, and while it's still early, we are encouraged by the continued strength in the business as the spring season begins.
Bill Sheehan: As Jim noted earlier, we ended the quarter with solid momentum. While early, we are encouraged by the continued strength in the business as the spring season begins. As a result, we are projecting comparable store sales for the 13 weeks ending 2 May 2026 to be up 7% to 8%. Earnings per share of $1.60 to $1.67. The operating statement assumptions that support our Q1 guidance include total sales are projected to increase 10% to 12% versus last year. If same store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for Q1 is expected to be in the range of 11.8% to 12.1% compared to 12.2% last year.
Bill Sheehan: As Jim noted earlier, we ended the quarter with solid momentum. While early, we are encouraged by the continued strength in the business as the spring season begins. As a result, we are projecting comparable store sales for the 13 weeks ending 2 May 2026 to be up 7% to 8%. Earnings per share of $1.60 to $1.67. The operating statement assumptions that support our Q1 guidance include total sales are projected to increase 10% to 12% versus last year. If same store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for Q1 is expected to be in the range of 11.8% to 12.1% compared to 12.2% last year.
Speaker #3: As a result, we are projecting comparable store sales for the 13 weeks ending May 2, 2026, to be up 7 to 8 percent, and earnings per share of $1.60 to $1.67.
Speaker #3: The operating statement assumptions that support our first quarter guidance include: Total sales are projected to increase 10 to 12 percent versus last year. If same-store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for the first quarter is expected to be in the range of 11.8 to 12.1 percent, compared to 12.2 percent last year.
Speaker #3: The expected decrease reflects higher DC costs from the opening of the new distribution center in the second quarter of last year, and unfavorable timing of pack-away related expenses.
Bill Sheehan: The expected decrease reflects higher DC costs from the opening of the new distribution center in Q2 of last year and unfavorable timing of packaway related expenses. In addition, we project higher incentive costs versus 2025 when we underperformed our plan. Partially offsetting these higher costs is our expectation of an increase in merchandise margin. We plan to add 17 new stores consisting of 13 Ross and four dd's DISCOUNTS during the period. Net interest income is estimated to be $27 million. Our tax rate is expected to be approximately 23% to 24%, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are forecasted to be about 322 million. Turning to our full year guidance assumptions for 2026.
Bill Sheehan: The expected decrease reflects higher DC costs from the opening of the new distribution center in Q2 of last year and unfavorable timing of packaway related expenses. In addition, we project higher incentive costs versus 2025 when we underperformed our plan. Partially offsetting these higher costs is our expectation of an increase in merchandise margin.
Speaker #3: In addition, we project higher incentive costs versus 2025, when we underperformed our plan. Partially offsetting these higher costs is our expectation of an increase in merchandise margin.
Speaker #3: We plan to add 17 new stores, consisting of 13 Ross and 4 dd's DISCOUNTS, during the period. Net interest income is estimated to be $27 million.
Bill Sheehan: We plan to add 17 new stores consisting of 13 Ross and four dd's DISCOUNTS during the period. Net interest income is estimated to be $27 million. Our tax rate is expected to be approximately 23% to 24%, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are forecasted to be about 322 million. Turning to our full year guidance assumptions for 2026.
Speaker #3: Our tax rate is expected to be approximately 23 to 24 percent, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are forecasted to be about $322 million.
Speaker #3: Turning to our full-year guidance assumptions for 2026. For the 52 weeks ended January 30, 2027, we are forecasting same-store sales to be up 3% to 4%, and earnings per share to be $7.02 to $7.36 compared to $6.61 for fiscal 2025.
Bill Sheehan: For the 52 weeks ended 30 January 2027, we are forecasting same store sales to be up 3% to 4% and earnings per share to be $7.02 to $7.36 compared to $6.61 for fiscal 2025. Total sales are projected to be up 5% to 7% for the year. If same store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for the full year is expected to be in the range of 12% to 12.3% compared to 11.9% in 2025. This plan reflects higher merchandise margin and lower distribution costs for the year. As Jim mentioned earlier, we expect to grow our store base by 5%, reflecting approximately 110 new locations comprised of about 85 Ross and 25 dd's DISCOUNTS.
Bill Sheehan: For the 52 weeks ended 30 January 2027, we are forecasting same store sales to be up 3% to 4% and earnings per share to be $7.02 to $7.36 compared to $6.61 for fiscal 2025. Total sales are projected to be up 5% to 7% for the year. If same store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for the full year is expected to be in the range of 12% to 12.3% compared to 11.9% in 2025. This plan reflects higher merchandise margin and lower distribution costs for the year. As Jim mentioned earlier, we expect to grow our store base by 5%, reflecting approximately 110 new locations comprised of about 85 Ross and 25 dd's DISCOUNTS.
Speaker #3: Total sales are projected to be up 5 to 7 percent for the year. If same-store sales perform in line with our forecast, operating margin for the full year is expected to be in the range of 12.0 to 12.3 percent, compared to 11.9 percent in 2025.
Speaker #3: This plan reflects higher merchandise margin and lower distribution costs for the year. As Jim mentioned earlier, we expect to grow our store base by 5%, reflecting approximately 110 new locations, comprised of about 85 Ross and 25 DD's Discounts.
Speaker #3: These openings do not include our plans to close or relocate about 10 to 15 older stores. Net interest income is estimated to be $92 million.
Bill Sheehan: These openings do not include our plans to close or relocate about 10 to 15 older stores. Net interest income is estimated to be $92 million. Depreciation and amortization expense, inclusive of stock-based amortization, is forecasted to be about $740 million for the year. The tax rate is projected to be about 24% to 25%, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are expected to be about 319 million. In addition, capital expenditures for 2026 are projected to be approximately $1.1 billion. There are several key investments included in our 2026 plans. First, as previously mentioned, we are re-accelerating our store opening plans. At dd's, we are opening 25 stores this year compared to 10 last year. In addition, we plan to open 85 new Ross stores this year compared to 80 last year.
Bill Sheehan: These openings do not include our plans to close or relocate about 10 to 15 older stores. Net interest income is estimated to be $92 million. Depreciation and amortization expense, inclusive of stock-based amortization, is forecasted to be about $740 million for the year. The tax rate is projected to be about 24% to 25%, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are expected to be about 319 million.
Speaker #3: Depreciation and amortization expense, inclusive of stock-based amortization, is forecasted to be about $740 million for the year. The tax rate is projected to be about 24 to 25 percent, and weighted average diluted shares outstanding are expected to be about 319 million.
Speaker #3: In addition, capital expenditures for 2026 are projected to be approximately $1.1 billion. There are several key investments included in our 2026 plans. First, as previously mentioned, we are re-accelerating our store opening plans.
Bill Sheehan: In addition, capital expenditures for 2026 are projected to be approximately $1.1 billion. There are several key investments included in our 2026 plans. First, as previously mentioned, we are re-accelerating our store opening plans. At dd's, we are opening 25 stores this year compared to 10 last year. In addition, we plan to open 85 new Ross stores this year compared to 80 last year.
Speaker #3: At DD's, we are opening 25 stores this year, compared to 10 last year. In addition, we plan to open 85 new Ross stores this year, compared to 80 last year.
Speaker #3: Next, we plan to make further investments in our supply chain, including the continued build-out of our next distribution center, as well as the initial outlay for another DC.
Bill Sheehan: Next, we plan to make further investments in our supply chain, including the continued build out of our next distribution center, as well as the initial outlay for another DC. Lastly, we are investing in our existing store base to drive an improved customer experience. Now I will turn the call back to Jim for closing comments.
Bill Sheehan: Next, we plan to make further investments in our supply chain, including the continued build out of our next distribution center, as well as the initial outlay for another DC. Lastly, we are investing in our existing store base to drive an improved customer experience. Now I will turn the call back to Jim for closing comments.
Speaker #3: Lastly, we are investing in our existing store base to drive an improved customer experience. Now, I will turn the call back to Jim for closing comments.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Bill. As I reflect on my first year as CEO, I am extremely grateful for the support and dedication of the entire team.
Jim Conroy: Thank you, Bill. As I reflect on my first year as CEO, I am extremely grateful for the support and dedication of the entire team. The year had its early challenges with tariffs and uncertainty in the macro environment, we remained resilient and focused on executing our strategies. Looking ahead, we're optimistic about the strength of our business and the initiatives planned for 2026. At this point, we would like to open the call and respond to any questions that you might have. John?
Jim Conroy: Thank you, Bill. As I reflect on my first year as CEO, I am extremely grateful for the support and dedication of the entire team. The year had its early challenges with tariffs and uncertainty in the macro environment, we remained resilient and focused on executing our strategies. Looking ahead, we're optimistic about the strength of our business and the initiatives planned for 2026. At this point, we would like to open the call and respond to any questions that you might have. John?
Speaker #1: The year had its early challenges with tariffs and uncertainty in the macro environment, but we remained resilient and focused on executing our strategies. Looking ahead, we are optimistic about the strength of our business and the initiatives planned for 2026.
Speaker #1: At this point, we would like to open the call and respond to any questions that you might have. John?
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Speaker #2: Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #3: Thanks, and congrats on a great quarter.
Bill Sheehan: Thanks and congrats on a great quarter.
Matthew Boss: Thanks and congrats on a great quarter.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Matt.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Matt.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Matt.
Speaker #2: So, Jim, could you elaborate on the inflection to 8% traffic-led comps in the back half of the year? Or, I guess, how would you bridge the more than 600 basis points of comp improvement relative to low single digits over the last four quarters?
Bill Sheehan: Jim, could you elaborate on the inflection to 8% traffic led comps in the back half of the year?
Matthew Boss: Jim, could you elaborate on the inflection to 8% traffic led comps in the back half of the year? I guess, how would you bridge the more than 600 basis points of comp improvement relative to low single digits over the last four quarters? On the 7% to 8% comp guide, you know I had to ask you on this, I mean, this comes from a conservative company and a conservative guy historically.
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): I guess, how would you bridge the more than 600 basis points of comp improvement relative to low single digits over the last four quarters? On the 7% to 8% comp guide, you know I had to ask you on this, I mean, this comes from a conservative company and a conservative guy historically. Could you elaborate on the further improvement you saw to start the quarter, maybe confirm the moderation that you're embedding for the remainder of the quarter? Did you embed any potential lift from tax refunds or stimulus during the quarter?
Speaker #2: And on the 7 to 8 percent comp guide, and you know I had to ask you on this. I mean, this comes from a conservative company, and a conservative guy historically.
Matthew Boss: Could you elaborate on the further improvement you saw to start the quarter, maybe confirm the moderation that you're embedding for the remainder of the quarter? Did you embed any potential lift from tax refunds or stimulus during the quarter?
Speaker #2: Could you elaborate on the further improvement you saw to start the quarter? Maybe confirm the moderation that you're embedding for the remainder of the quarter, and did you embed any potential lift from tax refunds or stimulus during the quarter?
Speaker #1: Sure. Happy to answer both of those questions. In terms of the inflection point, it was really broad-based across essentially all merchandise categories and all regions of the country.
Jim Conroy: Sure. Happy to answer both of those questions. In terms of the inflection point, it was really broad-based across essentially all merchandise categories, all regions of the country. You were talking about the sequential improvement from sort of the first half to the second half of the business, of the year. If I look at the second half in total, there's a lot of great things that are coming together. We've had a lot of conversation on past calls about the ladies business. We mentioned on Q3 that the ladies business had returned to strength. It was slightly stronger than the company. On the Q4, the ladies business continued to be very strong, more in line with the overall business. Men's continues to be strong.
Jim Conroy: Sure. Happy to answer both of those questions. In terms of the inflection point, it was really broad-based across essentially all merchandise categories, all regions of the country. You were talking about the sequential improvement from sort of the first half to the second half of the business, of the year. If I look at the second half in total, there's a lot of great things that are coming together.
Speaker #1: You were talking about the sequential improvement from sort of the first half to the second half of the business of the year. And if I look at the second half in total, there's a lot of great things that are coming together.
Speaker #1: We've had a lot of conversation on past calls about the ladies' business. We mentioned on Q3 that the ladies' business had returned to strength and was slightly stronger than the company.
Jim Conroy: We've had a lot of conversation on past calls about the ladies business. We mentioned on Q3 that the ladies business had returned to strength. It was slightly stronger than the company. On the Q4, the ladies business continued to be very strong, more in line with the overall business. Men's continues to be strong.
Speaker #1: And then, in the fourth quarter, the ladies' business continued to be very strong—more in line with the overall business. Men's continues to be strong.
Jim Conroy: We've seen probably the most sequential improvement in the quadrant of the store that we would call center core. We call that cosmetics and shoes specifically. Those were two very nicely growing businesses for us in both Q3 and Q4, and really nice sequential improvement throughout the year. Finally, not to leave Gurmeet and the home business and the home team out, the home business in the beginning of the year was kinda difficult for us, and it was a business that was most under attack with tariffs. They have done a really nice job of turning around that business across the board within home. On our last call, we spoke specifically about toys being important, and we finished up the holiday quarter with very strong business in toys.
Speaker #1: We've seen probably the most sequential improvement in the quadrant of the store that we would call center core. So we call that cosmetics and shoes specifically.
Jim Conroy: We've seen probably the most sequential improvement in the quadrant of the store that we would call center core. We call that cosmetics and shoes specifically. Those were two very nicely growing businesses for us in both Q3 and Q4, and really nice sequential improvement throughout the year.
Speaker #1: Those were two very nicely growing businesses for us in both Q3 and Q4, and really nice sequential improvement throughout the year. And then finally, not to leave Gurmeet and the home business and the home team out—the home business in the beginning of the year was kind of difficult for us.
Jim Conroy: Finally, not to leave Gurmeet and the home business and the home team out, the home business in the beginning of the year was kinda difficult for us, and it was a business that was most under attack with tariffs. They have done a really nice job of turning around that business across the board within home. On our last call, we spoke specifically about toys being important, and we finished up the holiday quarter with very strong business in toys.
Speaker #1: And it was a business that was most under attack with tariffs. But they have done a really nice job of turning around that business across the board within home.
Speaker #1: On our last call, we spoke specifically about toys being important and we finished up the holiday quarter with very strong business in toys. In terms of the comp guide, I would turn to Bill or to Michael I would preface it with we, of course, are excited about a 7 to 8 comp guide, but we haven't changed the conservative nature of our guide.
Jim Conroy: In terms of the comp guide, I would turn to Bill or to Michael. I would preface it with we of course, are excited about a seven to eight comp guide. We haven't changed the conservative nature of our guide. It's not like we're putting out some high-flying number to get headlines. We still feel pretty good about it. I don't know if you, either of you would like to add to that.
Jim Conroy: In terms of the comp guide, I would turn to Bill or to Michael. I would preface it with we of course, are excited about a seven to eight comp guide. We haven't changed the conservative nature of our guide. It's not like we're putting out some high-flying number to get headlines. We still feel pretty good about it. I don't know if you, either of you would like to add to that.
Speaker #1: So it's not like we're putting out some high-flying number to get headlines. We still feel pretty good about it. I don't know if you either of you would like to add to that.
Speaker #3: No, Matt, I would say, one, it is a reflection of the initiatives we have in place and the momentum we have coming out of the fourth quarter.
Michael Hartshorn: No. Matt, I would say, 1, it is a reflection of the initiatives we have in place and the momentum we have coming out of Q4. The merchants did a tremendous job transitioning into Q1 that we can see in the business. We're in the inverse position we were last year where we started off very, very weak. We feel good about how we started the year. You had a question on tax refunds. We haven't built anything in for the tax refunds. It's still early. Obviously, in the tax refund season, the significant refunds just began to flow last week, and from what we can see from the treasury, they're up about 7% thus far.
Michael Hartshorn: No. Matt, I would say, 1, it is a reflection of the initiatives we have in place and the momentum we have coming out of Q4. The merchants did a tremendous job transitioning into Q1 that we can see in the business. We're in the inverse position we were last year where we started off very, very weak. We feel good about how we started the year.
Speaker #3: The merchants did a tremendous job transitioning into the first quarter. That's we can see in the business. We're in the inverse position we were last year, where we started off very, very weak.
Speaker #3: So we feel good about how we started the year. You had a question on tax refunds. We haven't built anything in for the tax refunds.
Michael Hartshorn: You had a question on tax refunds. We haven't built anything in for the tax refunds. It's still early. Obviously, in the tax refund season, the significant refunds just began to flow last week, and from what we can see from the treasury, they're up about 7% thus far. With roughly two-thirds of the refunds left to come, we'll have to wait and see the impact over the entire quarter.
Speaker #3: It's still early. Obviously, in the tax refund season, the significant refunds just began to flow last week. And from what we can see from the treasury, they're up about 7% thus far.
Speaker #3: But with roughly two-thirds of the refunds left to come, we'll have to wait and see the impact over the entire quarter.
Michael Hartshorn: With roughly two-thirds of the refunds left to come, we'll have to wait and see the impact over the entire quarter.
Speaker #2: Great. And then just one follow-up, Jim. On new stores, productivity that you're seeing in the Northeast, how does that inform your opportunity to expand the unit growth opportunity over time?
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Great. Then just one follow-up. Jim, on new stores, the productivity that you're seeing in the Northeast, how does that inform your opportunity to expand the unit growth opportunity over time?
Matthew Boss: Great. Then just one follow-up. Jim, on new stores, the productivity that you're seeing in the Northeast, how does that inform your opportunity to expand the unit growth opportunity over time?
Michael Hartshorn: Matthew, it's Michael Binetti again. We wouldn't get into the specifics of the Northeast other than it's been very strong. It gives us a lot of confidence that we can grow there. I would say, not only in the Northeast, you can see it in the difference between comp and total sales growth. We had one of our best years in a while in terms of new store productivity, which also gives us confidence that we can grow in our existing markets.
Michael Hartshorn: Matthew, it's Michael again. We wouldn't get into the specifics of the Northeast other than it's been very strong. It gives us a lot of confidence that we can grow there. I would say, not only in the Northeast, you can see it in the difference between comp and total sales growth. We had one of our best years in a while in terms of new store productivity, which also gives us confidence that we can grow in our existing markets.
Speaker #1: Matt, it's Michael again. We wouldn't get into the specifics of the Northeast, other than it's been very strong, and it gives us a lot of confidence that we can grow there.
Speaker #1: I would say, but not only in the Northeast, and you can see it in the difference between the comp and total sales growth, we had one of our best years in a while in terms of new store productivity, which also gives us confidence that we can grow in our existing market.
Speaker #2: Great color. Best of luck.
[Analyst] (J.P. Morgan): Great color. Best of luck.
Matthew Boss: Great color. Best of luck.
Speaker #1: Thank you, Matt.
Jim Conroy: Thank you, Matt.
Jim Conroy: Thank you, Matt.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Paul Ledgeway with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Paul Lejuez with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Paul Lejuez with Citigroup. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #4: Thank you. It's Tracy Kogan filling in for Paul. I had two questions. The first is, on your merchandise margin improvement in Q4, how much of it was driven by better IMU from buying better versus how much was driven by lower markdowns?
Tracy Kogan: Thank you. It's Tracy Kogan who's filling in for Paul Lejuez. I had two questions. The first is on your merchandise margin improvement in Q4, how much of it was driven by better IMU from buying better versus how much was driven by lower markdowns? What are you expecting in F 2026? Then I have a follow-up. Thanks.
Tracy Kogan: Thank you. It's Tracy Kogan who's filling in for Paul Lejuez. I had two questions. The first is on your merchandise margin improvement in Q4, how much of it was driven by better IMU from buying better versus how much was driven by lower markdowns? What are you expecting in F 2026? Then I have a follow-up. Thanks.
Speaker #4: And what are you expecting in F26? And then I have a follow-up, thanks.
Speaker #1: No, for the merchandise margin, that 10 basis points improvement, I think we feel good about it. It was driven mostly by better buying. In our merchants, just making good decisions as they always do around how to deliver value at the same time flowing some benefit through to us.
Jim Conroy: No, for the merchandise margin, that 10 basis points improvement, I think we feel good about it. It was driven, you know, mostly by better buying and our merchants just making good decisions as they always do around how to deliver value at the same time, flowing some benefit through to us.
Jim Conroy: No, for the merchandise margin, that 10 basis points improvement, I think we feel good about it. It was driven, you know, mostly by better buying and our merchants just making good decisions as they always do around how to deliver value at the same time, flowing some benefit through to us.
Speaker #3: And on 26, again, it's mainly driven by the better buying to some extent. We get some benefit from recapturing some of the tariff pressure early in the year.
Michael Hartshorn: On 26, it's again, it's mainly driven by the better buying. To some extent, we get some benefit from recapturing some of the tariff pressure early in the year.
Michael Hartshorn: On 26, it's again, it's mainly driven by the better buying. To some extent, we get some benefit from recapturing some of the tariff pressure early in the year.
Speaker #4: Great. And then on the flow-through in Q1, I know you mentioned higher incentive comp and timing of packaway. Can you size either of those headwinds, or which one is bigger?
Tracy Kogan: Great. On the flow-through in Q1, I know you mentioned higher incentive comp and timing of packaway. Can you size either of those headwinds and which one's bigger? Thanks.
Tracy Kogan: Great. On the flow-through in Q1, I know you mentioned higher incentive comp and timing of packaway. Can you size either of those headwinds and which one's bigger? Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks.
Speaker #1: Could you repeat the question for me one more time?
Jim Conroy: Could you repeat the question for me one more time?
Jim Conroy: Could you repeat the question for me one more time?
Speaker #4: Yeah, sure. I think on the 7 to 8 comp, we would have expected maybe more flow-through to the EPS line. And I think you mentioned that you had a higher incentive comp in there as well as timing of pack away.
Tracy Kogan: Yeah, sure. I think, on the 7 to 8 comp, we would have expected maybe more flow-through to the EPS line. I think you mentioned that you had a higher incentive comp in there as well as timing of packaway. I was just wondering if you could frame how big either of those are in terms of basis points of pressure for the quarter.
Tracy Kogan: Yeah, sure. I think, on the 7 to 8 comp, we would have expected maybe more flow-through to the EPS line. I think you mentioned that you had a higher incentive comp in there as well as timing of packaway. I was just wondering if you could frame how big either of those are in terms of basis points of pressure for the quarter.
Speaker #4: And I was just wondering if you could frame how big either of those are in terms of basis points of pressure for the quarter.
Speaker #3: Tracy, it's Michael. As you can see on the full-year guidance, at a 3% to 4% comp, we leverage EBIT by 10 to 30 basis points. So that's actually above what our normal kind of long-range algorithm is, always timing quarter to quarter in the first quarter.
Michael Hartshorn: Tracy, it's Michael. As you can see on the full year guidance, at a 3 to 4 comp, we leverage EBIT by 10 to 30. That's actually above what our normal kind of long range algorithm, always timing quarter-over-quarter. In Q1, we have a couple things driving the deleverage, the first of which is we haven't yet lapped the distribution center opening from last year, so we'll begin to lap that in Q2, but that has a bigger impact in Q1. Number 2, we have built into our forecast, we'll have to see how it plays out, some pressure on the packaway impact, the packaway expense.
Michael Hartshorn: Tracy, it's Michael. As you can see on the full year guidance, at a 3 to 4 comp, we leverage EBIT by 10 to 30. That's actually above what our normal kind of long range algorithm, always timing quarter-over-quarter. In Q1, we have a couple things driving the deleverage, the first of which is we haven't yet lapped the distribution center opening from last year, so we'll begin to lap that in Q2, but that has a bigger impact in Q1.
Speaker #3: We have a couple of things driving the de-leverage. The first of which is we haven't yet lapped the distribution center opening from last year.
Speaker #3: So we'll begin to lap that in the second quarter, but that has a bigger impact than the first quarter. Number two, we have built into our forecast—we'll have to see how it plays out—some pressure on the packaway impact, the packaway expense.
Michael Hartshorn: Number 2, we have built into our forecast, we'll have to see how it plays out, some pressure on the packaway impact, the packaway expense. Finally, we had a pretty disappointing Q1 for us last year, which means the incentive comp base will be lower from last year, but pressure this year. Among those, they're pretty evenly split.
Speaker #3: And then finally, we had a pretty disappointing first quarter for us last year, which means the incentive comp base will be lower from last year, but pressure this year.
Michael Hartshorn: Finally, we had a pretty disappointing Q1 for us last year, which means the incentive comp base will be lower from last year, but pressure this year. Among those, they're pretty evenly split.
Speaker #3: Among those, they're pretty evenly split.
Speaker #4: Got it. Thanks very much. Good luck, guys.
Tracy Kogan: Got it. Thanks very much. Good luck, guys.
Tracy Kogan: Got it. Thanks very much. Good luck, guys.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Tracy.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Tracy.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Tracy.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #4: Thank you. Good afternoon. What are the key factors driving the acceleration in the latest business? And what's your outlook for the category as we move through the year?
Lorraine Hutchinson: Thank you. Good afternoon. What are the key factors driving the acceleration in the ladies business, and what's your outlook for the category as we move through the year?
Lorraine Hutchinson: Thank you. Good afternoon. What are the key factors driving the acceleration in the ladies business, and what's your outlook for the category as we move through the year?
Jim Conroy: The acceleration in the ladies' business is rooted back with the brand strategy. The company had put that in place maybe two years ago now. That team has really done a great job of resetting that vendor base and the assortment there, finding a really nice balance of bringing in branded bargains across good, better, and best. We've seen some nice strength in the juniors business specifically, so that's been a part of the growth there. In terms of the outlook going forward, right now, a lot of things are performing quite well. I would imagine we're gonna see continued strength in that business going forward, certainly in the first half of 2026. Did I get all of your questions there, Lorraine?
Jim Conroy: The acceleration in the ladies' business is rooted back with the brand strategy. The company had put that in place maybe two years ago now. That team has really done a great job of resetting that vendor base and the assortment there, finding a really nice balance of bringing in branded bargains across good, better, and best.
Speaker #1: The acceleration in the ladies' business is rooted back with the brand strategy the company had put in place maybe two years ago now.
Speaker #1: And that team has really done a great job of resetting that vendor base and the assortment there, finding a really nice balance of bringing in branded bargains across good, better, and best.
Jim Conroy: We've seen some nice strength in the juniors business specifically, so that's been a part of the growth there. In terms of the outlook going forward, right now, a lot of things are performing quite well. I would imagine we're gonna see continued strength in that business going forward, certainly in the first half of 2026. Did I get all of your questions there, Lorraine?
Speaker #1: We've seen some nice strength in the juniors' business, specifically. So that's been a part of the growth there. In terms of the outlook going forward, right now, a lot of things are performing quite well.
Speaker #1: And I would imagine we're going to see continued strength in that business going forward. Certainly, in the first half of 2026. Did I get all of your questions there, Lorraine?
Speaker #4: Oh, thanks. Yeah, it seems like you brought more inventory into the stores during the holiday season. Is this a change in strategy, and would you expect to move more from the distribution centers into the stores as you did for the fourth quarter?
Lorraine Hutchinson: Oh, thanks. Yeah. It seems like you brought more inventory into the stores during the holiday season. Is this a change in strategy, and would you expect to move more from the distribution centers into the stores, as you did for the Q4?
Lorraine Hutchinson: Oh, thanks. Yeah. It seems like you brought more inventory into the stores during the holiday season. Is this a change in strategy, and would you expect to move more from the distribution centers into the stores, as you did for the Q4?
Speaker #3: Hi, Lorraine. On inventory, we did mention in our remarks that inventory grew 8%. Obviously, that's one point in the quarter, but that's lower than our overall sales growth.
Michael Hartshorn: Hi, Lorraine. On inventory, we did mention in our remarks that inventory grew 8%. Obviously, that's 1 point in the quarter, but that's lower than our overall sales growth. We did see opportunities to increase our inventory position in front of the customer, and we believe that supported our growth and ability to chase sales in Q4 while also better transitioning into Q1, all of that while maintaining solid margins and inventory turns.
Michael Hartshorn: Hi, Lorraine. On inventory, we did mention in our remarks that inventory grew 8%. Obviously, that's 1 point in the quarter, but that's lower than our overall sales growth. We did see opportunities to increase our inventory position in front of the customer, and we believe that supported our growth and ability to chase sales in Q4 while also better transitioning into Q1, all of that while maintaining solid margins and inventory turns.
Speaker #3: We did see opportunities to increase our inventory position in front of the customer, and we believe that supported our growth and ability to chase sales in Q4, while also better transitioning into Q1.
Speaker #3: All of that while maintaining solid margins and inventory turns. So, I—
Speaker #4: Thank you.
Lorraine Hutchinson: Thank you.
Lorraine Hutchinson: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: I think we do have more opportunity, but we feel good about the levels coming into Q1.
Speaker #3: I think we do have I think we do have more opportunity, but we feel good about the levels coming into the first quarter.
Michael Hartshorn: I think we do have more opportunity, but we feel good about the levels coming into Q1.
Speaker #4: Great. Thanks, Michael.
Lorraine Hutchinson: Great. Thanks, Michael.
Lorraine Hutchinson: Great. Thanks, Michael.
Speaker #1: Sure.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Lorraine.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Lorraine.
Speaker #5: Thanks, Lorraine.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Chuck Grom with Gordon Haskett. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #6: Hey, good afternoon. Great results. Jim, you've talked a lot about the changes made in marketing, and the social media campaigns have been highly successful.
Chuck Grom: Hey, good afternoon. Great results. you know, Jim, you talked a lot about the changes made in marketing, and the social media campaigns have been highly successful. I guess I'm curious how you continue to evolve the marketing strategy in 2026. Do you expect marketing expenses as a percentage of sales to start to move higher over the next couple of years, or do they stay consistent?
Chuck Grom: Hey, good afternoon. Great results. you know, Jim, you talked a lot about the changes made in marketing, and the social media campaigns have been highly successful. I guess I'm curious how you continue to evolve the marketing strategy in 2026. Do you expect marketing expenses as a percentage of sales to start to move higher over the next couple of years, or do they stay consistent?
Speaker #6: I guess I'm curious how you continue to evolve the marketing strategy in '26, and do you expect marketing expenses as a percentage of sales to start to move higher over the next couple of years, or do they stay consistent?
Speaker #1: Great question. We're really pleased with the marketing team. The new campaigns and the agency that was put in place at the beginning of 2025—their work started to hit the market, so to speak, for back-to-school.
Jim Conroy: Great question. We're really pleased with the marketing team, the new campaigns and the agency that was put in place at the beginning of 2025. Their work started to hit the market, so to speak, for back to school. I would say we're really pleased with, amongst a number of other factors, the change in marketing was one of the things that helped the business have an inflection point positive. The change in marketing, some in-store changes, of course, the assortments being really great. You put all that together, and it just made for a really good Q3 and Q4. In terms of marketing spend, we've had questions as to whether we're going to spend or invest more in marketing.
Jim Conroy: Great question. We're really pleased with the marketing team, the new campaigns and the agency that was put in place at the beginning of 2025. Their work started to hit the market, so to speak, for back to school. I would say we're really pleased with, amongst a number of other factors, the change in marketing was one of the things that helped the business have an inflection point positive.
Speaker #1: So I would say we're really pleased with, amongst a number of other factors, the change in marketing was one of the things that helped the business have an inflection point, positive.
Speaker #1: So the change in marketing, some in-store changes, of course, the assortment being really great—you put all that together, and it just made for a really good Q3 and Q4.
Jim Conroy: The change in marketing, some in-store changes, of course, the assortments being really great. You put all that together, and it just made for a really good Q3 and Q4. In terms of marketing spend, we've had questions as to whether we're going to spend or invest more in marketing.
Speaker #1: In terms of marketing spend, we've had questions as to whether we're going to spend or invest more in marketing. We're pretty pleased with the results in Q3 and Q4, and as a rate of sales, we haven't changed our marketing spend.
Jim Conroy: We're pretty pleased with the results in Q3 and Q4. As a rate of sales, we haven't changed our marketing spend. It certainly seems like it could be a lever for us to use going forward. We might experiment with some slight increase there. We don't feel like we need to make any major investments in new marketing to drive traffic because the demand generation part of the business right now seems so strong.
Jim Conroy: We're pretty pleased with the results in Q3 and Q4. As a rate of sales, we haven't changed our marketing spend. It certainly seems like it could be a lever for us to use going forward. We might experiment with some slight increase there. We don't feel like we need to make any major investments in new marketing to drive traffic because the demand generation part of the business right now seems so strong.
Speaker #1: It certainly seems like it could be a lever for us to use going forward. So we might experiment with some slight increase there. But we don't feel like we need to make any major investments in new marketing to drive traffic because the demand generation part of the business right now seems so strong.
Speaker #2: Okay. That's great. And then just to double-click on the second part of your answer there on the store experience, can you dive in there?
Chuck Grom: Okay, that's great. Just to double-click on the second part of your answer there on the store experience, can you dive in there? What's worked? What can you expand? How much is left on the opportunity set within the stores themselves? Clearly, NSP, to your point earlier, was very strong for the Q2 in a row, along with the good comp.
Chuck Grom: Okay, that's great. Just to double-click on the second part of your answer there on the store experience, can you dive in there? What's worked? What can you expand? How much is left on the opportunity set within the stores themselves? Clearly, NSP, to your point earlier, was very strong for the Q2 in a row, along with the good comp.
Speaker #2: What’s worked? What can you expand? How much is left on the opportunity to set within the stores themselves? Because clearly, NSP, to your point earlier, was very strong for the second quarter in a row, along with the good comp.
Michael Hartshorn: Hi, it's Michael. On the store front, similar to marketing, we haven't made major investments there, but we do have a pretty strong test and learn capability in our store organization. What we did during the back half of the year is we targeted payroll investments to improve both store recovery and register throughput, really focusing on high volume activity in the store. We clearly saw some early successes that we can build on those learnings in 2026. The other thing that you'll see in 2026, as we've discussed in the past, we've been piloting self-checkout actually for some time now, and we plan to expand to more stores given the positive results we've seen thus far.
Michael Hartshorn: Hi, it's Michael. On the store front, similar to marketing, we haven't made major investments there, but we do have a pretty strong test and learn capability in our store organization. What we did during the back half of the year is we targeted payroll investments to improve both store recovery and register throughput, really focusing on high volume activity in the store.
Speaker #3: Hi, it's Michael. On the storefront—similar to marketing—we haven't made major investments there, but we do have a pretty strong test-and-learn capability in our store organization.
Speaker #3: And what we did during the back half of the year is, we targeted payroll investments to improve both store recovery and register throughput, really focusing on high-volume activity in the store.
Michael Hartshorn: We clearly saw some early successes that we can build on those learnings in 2026. The other thing that you'll see in 2026, as we've discussed in the past, we've been piloting self-checkout actually for some time now, and we plan to expand to more stores given the positive results we've seen thus far.
Speaker #3: And we clearly saw some early successes that we can build on those learnings in 2026. The other thing that you'll see in '26, as we've discussed in the past, we've been piloting self-checkout actually for some time now, and we plan to expand to more stores given the positive results we've seen thus far.
Speaker #2: Great. Thank you. And the next question comes from the line of Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Jay Sole: Great. Thank you.
Jay Sole: Great. Thank you.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Brooke Roach with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #7: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking our question. Jim, I wanted to follow up on your marketing comments. As you assess the higher pace of traffic that's coming into the store, are you seeing any shifts in the age or household income demographic of your customer base?
Brooke Roach: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking our question. Jim, I wanted to follow up on your marketing comments. As you assess the higher pace of traffic that's coming into the store, are you seeing any shifts in the age or household income demographic of your customer base? Is this a reactivation of lapsed customers, or are these new younger customers coming into the store that can repeat?
Brooke Roach: Good afternoon. Thank you for taking our question. Jim, I wanted to follow up on your marketing comments. As you assess the higher pace of traffic that's coming into the store, are you seeing any shifts in the age or household income demographic of your customer base? Is this a reactivation of lapsed customers, or are these new younger customers coming into the store that can repeat?
Speaker #7: Is this a reactivation of lapsed customers, or are these new, younger customers coming into the store that can repeat?
Speaker #1: It's a great question. Starting at the top side, we're very encouraged that we are seeing nice customer count growth, right? And it's hard to determine sometimes whether that's a brand new customer or a lapsed customer returning.
Jim Conroy: It's a great question. Starting at the top side, we're very encouraged that we are seeing nice customer count growth, right? It's hard to determine sometimes whether that's a quote-unquote, brand new customer or a lapsed customer returning. It's really exciting for us to have comp sales growth driven not only by transactions, but by customers finding Ross, and we're really investing in the Ross brand. In terms of how those customers split by income and age, et cetera, it's once you push down to that level, the data becomes a little bit more complicated to read. We're very comfortable saying that we've seen growth very broad-based across income demographics, age demographics, including 18 to 34-year-old customers. We're pleased with our juniors business. We're pleased with our young men's business.
Jim Conroy: It's a great question. Starting at the top side, we're very encouraged that we are seeing nice customer count growth, right? It's hard to determine sometimes whether that's a quote-unquote, brand new customer or a lapsed customer returning. It's really exciting for us to have comp sales growth driven not only by transactions, but by customers finding Ross, and we're really investing in the Ross brand.
Speaker #1: But for us, it's really exciting to have comp sales growth driven not only by transactions, but by customers finding Ross. And we're really investing in the Ross brand.
Speaker #1: In terms of how those customers split by income and age, etc., it's once you push down to that level, the data becomes a little bit more complicated to read.
Jim Conroy: In terms of how those customers split by income and age, et cetera, it's once you push down to that level, the data becomes a little bit more complicated to read. We're very comfortable saying that we've seen growth very broad-based across income demographics, age demographics, including 18 to 34-year-old customers. We're pleased with our juniors business. We're pleased with our young men's business. We feel good about the younger portion of the customer base. Overall, we're just quite encouraged to start to see some really nice acceleration in customer count.
Speaker #1: We're very comfortable saying that we've seen growth very broad-based across income demographics and age demographics, including 18- to 34-year-old customers. We're pleased with our juniors business.
Speaker #1: We're pleased with our young men's business. So we feel good about the younger portion of the customer base. But overall, we're just quite encouraged to start to see some really nice acceleration in customer count.
Jim Conroy: We feel good about the younger portion of the customer base. Overall, we're just quite encouraged to start to see some really nice acceleration in customer count.
Speaker #7: Great. And then as a follow-up, can you share your latest view on the earnings algorithm for Ross on a multi-year basis? Is there anything that's structural preventing you from returning to a 14% operating margin over time?
Brooke Roach: Great. Then as a follow-up, can you share your latest view on the earnings algorithm for Ross on a multi-year basis? Is there anything that's structural preventing you from returning to a 14% operating margin over time?
Brooke Roach: Great. Then as a follow-up, can you share your latest view on the earnings algorithm for Ross on a multi-year basis? Is there anything that's structural preventing you from returning to a 14% operating margin over time?
Michael Hartshorn: Sure, Brooke. The algorithm hasn't changed dramatically. New store growth, we have at 5%, obviously that would suggest this year we're at 5%, that we'd continue to grow both banners, we think we can do that over time to maintain the new store growth there. Productivity, Jim mentioned that we've seen heightened productivity. Built into our guidance this year is about 70% to 75% new store productivity of an average store. That gets you to the 3% to 4% growth. The EBIT margin, we've said historically, will get leverage between 3% to 4%. Occupancy is about 4%. SG&A is 3% to 4%. The stock repurchase is about 2%. It gets you to the about 8% to 10% long-term earnings growth.
Speaker #3: Sure, Brooke. The algorithm hasn't changed dramatically. We're new store growth. We have it at 5%. And obviously, that would suggest this year we're at 5%, that we'd continue to grow both banners, and we think we can do that over time to maintain the new store growth there.
Michael Hartshorn: Sure, Brooke. The algorithm hasn't changed dramatically. New store growth, we have at 5%, obviously that would suggest this year we're at 5%, that we'd continue to grow both banners, we think we can do that over time to maintain the new store growth there. Productivity, Jim mentioned that we've seen heightened productivity.
Speaker #3: Productivity, Jim mentioned that we've seen heightened productivity, built into our guidance this year, is about 70% to 75% new store productivity of an average store.
Michael Hartshorn: Built into our guidance this year is about 70% to 75% new store productivity of an average store. That gets you to the 3% to 4% growth. The EBIT margin, we've said historically, will get leverage between 3% to 4%. Occupancy is about 4%. SG&A is 3% to 4%. The stock repurchase is about 2%. It gets you to the about 8% to 10% long-term earnings growth.
Speaker #3: So that gets you to 3 to 4 percent growth. The EBIT margin, we've said historically will get leveraged between 3 to 4. Occupancy is about 4.
Speaker #3: SG&A is 3% to 4%. And then the stock repurchase is about 2%. It gets you to about 8% to 10% long-term earnings growth.
Speaker #7: Thanks so much. I'll pass it on.
Brooke Roach: Thanks so much. I'll pass it on.
Brooke Roach: Thanks so much. I'll pass it on.
Speaker #1: Thanks, Brooke.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Brooke.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Brooke.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Michael Benetti with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Michael Binetti with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Michael Binetti with Evercore. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #4: Hey, guys. Great quarter. So first quarter has been a source of underperformance for Malta on a multi-year basis. You've thought there was an opportunity to maybe come out of the holiday, Jim, and transition to a little more aggressively into the transition inventory.
Michael Binetti: Hey, guys. great quarter. Q1 has been a source of underperformance for on a multi-year basis. You thought there was an opportunity to maybe come out of the holiday, Jim, and transition to a little more aggressively into the transition inventory. Can you help us understand within the context of the 7 to 8 comp, with the margins compressing on some of the biggest comps, can you just walk us through... Is there something unique in Q1 that you're kind of going for it to get to that 7-day comp that isn't as much of an opportunity as you get out to the rest of the year? Is it something that you have to invest in to get there as we look at the margin?
Michael Binetti: Hey, guys. great quarter. Q1 has been a source of underperformance for on a multi-year basis. You thought there was an opportunity to maybe come out of the holiday, Jim, and transition to a little more aggressively into the transition inventory. Can you help us understand within the context of the 7 to 8 comp, with the margins compressing on some of the biggest comps, can you just walk us through...
Speaker #4: Can you help us understand, within the context of the seven to eight comp, but then with the margins compressing on some of the biggest comps, can you just walk us through—is there something unique in first quarter that you're kind of going for to get to that seven to eight comp that isn't as much of an opportunity as you get out to the rest of the year?
Michael Binetti: Is there something unique in Q1 that you're kind of going for it to get to that 7-day comp that isn't as much of an opportunity as you get out to the rest of the year? Is it something that you have to invest in to get there as we look at the margin?
Speaker #4: And is it something that you have to invest in to get there as we look at the margin? And then, on the margins, if I look at 2025 and it's coming in at 11.9% for the year, excluding tariffs, that was probably in the low 12s.
Michael Binetti: On the, on the margins, you know, if I look at 2025, it's coming in at 11.9% for the year, excluding tariffs, that's probably in the low 12s. This year, you're guiding 12.1% to 12.3% on the best comp guidance we've seen in a while. That's lapping some of the duplicative executive costs, the distribution center costs that wrap around for just 1 quarter. There's some reticketing last year. Can you just talk about what's conservative there or if there's, you know, a change to the long-term language of 15 basis points of expansion above the 2 to 3 points of comp or anything like that we should think about?
Michael Binetti: On the, on the margins, you know, if I look at 2025, it's coming in at 11.9% for the year, excluding tariffs, that's probably in the low 12s. This year, you're guiding 12.1% to 12.3% on the best comp guidance we've seen in a while. That's lapping some of the duplicative executive costs, the distribution center costs that wrap around for just 1 quarter.
Speaker #4: This year, you’re guiding 12.1% to 12.3% on the best comp guidance we’ve seen in a while. And that’s lapping some of the duplicative executive costs and distribution center costs that wrap around for just one quarter.
Speaker #4: And then there's some reticketing last year. Can you just talk about what's conservative there, or if there's a change to the long-term language of 15 basis points of expansion above the 2 to 3 points of comp, or anything like that we should think about?
Michael Binetti: There's some reticketing last year. Can you just talk about what's conservative there or if there's, you know, a change to the long-term language of 15 basis points of expansion above the 2 to 3 points of comp or anything like that we should think about?
Michael Hartshorn: I'm happy to walk through this.
Michael Hartshorn: I'm happy to walk through this.
Speaker #3: I'm happy to walk through those. So, I would separate the EBIT margin. I'm happy to— I would separate the EBIT margin in the first quarter from the comp because I think there's distinct things that I walk through with— we haven't lapped the DC.
Michael Binetti: Thanks, Michael.
Michael Binetti: Thanks, Michael.
Michael Hartshorn: I would separate the EBIT margin. I'm happy to, I would separate the EBIT margin in Q1 from the comp because I think there's distinct things that I walked through with. We haven't lapped the DC. We have pack away pressure in Q1. Also, we had a lousy start last year, so we're working off a lower incentive base from last year. Those are really the things that are impacting EBIT margin in Q1. In terms of the 7% to 8% guidance, it's a reflection of certainly the momentum coming out of Q4, but also we're up against pretty weak compares, not only last year, as you mentioned, but over the last couple of years.
Michael Hartshorn: I would separate the EBIT margin. I'm happy to, I would separate the EBIT margin in Q1 from the comp because I think there's distinct things that I walked through with. We haven't lapped the DC. We have pack away pressure in Q1. Also, we had a lousy start last year, so we're working off a lower incentive base from last year. Those are really the things that are impacting EBIT margin in Q1. In terms of the 7% to 8% guidance, it's a reflection of certainly the momentum coming out of Q4, but also we're up against pretty weak compares, not only last year, as you mentioned, but over the last couple of years.
Speaker #3: We have Packaway pressure in the first quarter, and also, we had a lousy start last year. So we're working off a lower incentive base from last year.
Speaker #3: Those are really the things that are impacting EBIT margin in the first quarter. In terms of the seven to eight guidance, it's a reflection of certainly the momentum coming out of the fourth quarter, but also we're up against pretty weak compares.
Speaker #3: Not only last year, as you mentioned, but over the last couple of years. And we think the initiatives we have in place, including as I mentioned earlier with inventory levels, are having an impact in the first quarter and are sustaining.
Michael Hartshorn: We think the initiatives we have in place, including, as I mentioned earlier, with inventory levels are having an impact in the Q1 and are sustaining. In terms of the back half of the year, nothing's really changed in our earnings algorithm. For every point of comp over the guidance, it's worth about 10 to 15 basis points of EBIT margin.
Michael Hartshorn: We think the initiatives we have in place, including, as I mentioned earlier, with inventory levels are having an impact in the Q1 and are sustaining. In terms of the back half of the year, nothing's really changed in our earnings algorithm. For every point of comp over the guidance, it's worth about 10 to 15 basis points of EBIT margin.
Speaker #3: In terms of the back half of the year, nothing's really changed in our earnings algorithm. For every point of comp over the guidance, it's worth about 10 to 15 basis points of EBIT margin.
Jim Conroy: Just to add, there's been questions for the last year about are we investing more in marketing or investing more in store labor. As a rate of sales, both marketing and store labor are very much in line with last year. We don't intend to sort of buy the comp in Q1 or for the year going forward. I think Michael answered the flow-through question better than I could have. If and when we decide at some point to overinvest in a part of the business, hoping for an ROI on it, we will signal that. At the moment, you know, we're getting some really nice growth without making artificial investments.
Speaker #1: And just to add, there's been questions for the last year about are we investing more in marketing or investing more in store labor. As a rate of sales, bulk marketing and store labor are very much in line with last year.
Jim Conroy: Just to add, there's been questions for the last year about are we investing more in marketing or investing more in store labor. As a rate of sales, both marketing and store labor are very much in line with last year. We don't intend to sort of buy the comp in Q1 or for the year going forward. I think Michael answered the flow-through question better than I could have. If and when we decide at some point to overinvest in a part of the business, hoping for an ROI on it, we will signal that. At the moment, you know, we're getting some really nice growth without making artificial investments.
Speaker #1: We don't intend to sort of buy the comp in Q1 or for the year going forward. I think Michael answered the flow-through question better than I could have.
Speaker #1: But if and when we decide at some point to overinvest in a part of the business, hoping for an ROI on it, we will signal that.
Speaker #1: But at the moment, we're getting some really nice growth without making artificial investments.
Speaker #4: All right. Thanks a lot, guys, and congrats again.
Jay Sole: Great. Thanks a lot, guys, and congrats again.
Jay Sole: Great. Thanks a lot, guys, and congrats again.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: Thank you.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Mark Altschwager with Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Mark Altschwager with Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Mark Altschwager with Baird. Please proceed with your question.
Mark Altschwager: Thank you. Good afternoon. Could you expand on the higher new store productivity you're seeing? Is that a function of the markets you're entering that are perhaps higher rent but structurally higher sales per square foot? Is it a reflection of the operational improvements you cited in the prepared remarks? Just what are the key factors there?
Mark Altschwager: Thank you. Good afternoon. Could you expand on the higher new store productivity you're seeing? Is that a function of the markets you're entering that are perhaps higher rent but structurally higher sales per square foot? Is it a reflection of the operational improvements you cited in the prepared remarks? Just what are the key factors there?
Speaker #5: Good afternoon. Could you expand on the higher new store productivity you're seeing? Is that a function of the markets you're entering that are perhaps higher rent, but structurally higher sales per square foot?
Speaker #5: Is it a reflection of the operational improvements you cited in the prepared remarks? Just what are the key factors there?
Michael Hartshorn: We are, first, I'd say it's overall, it's not just the new markets. We're seeing it across the regions, even some of our tried and true regions in California, Florida, and Texas. I think it is a reflection of some of the things we're doing in existing stores, being more aggressive out of the gate in new stores and seeing it pay off. That said, to your point, we are entering more populated, higher rent markets, and we're very pleased with our entry and are seeing great performance there.
Speaker #3: We are first, I'd say it's overall. It's not just the new markets—we're seeing it across the regions, even some of our tried and true regions in California, Florida, and Texas.
Michael Hartshorn: We are, first, I'd say it's overall, it's not just the new markets. We're seeing it across the regions, even some of our tried and true regions in California, Florida, and Texas. I think it is a reflection of some of the things we're doing in existing stores, being more aggressive out of the gate in new stores and seeing it pay off. That said, to your point, we are entering more populated, higher rent markets, and we're very pleased with our entry and are seeing great performance there.
Speaker #3: And I think it is a reflection of some of the things we're doing in existing stores. Being more aggressive out of the gate in new stores and seeing it pay off.
Speaker #3: That said, to your point, we are entering more populated, higher rent markets, and we're very pleased with our entry and are seeing great performance there.
Speaker #5: Thank you. And then following up on the branded strategy and the success in ladies' apparel, can you talk about the roadmap for replicating that success in other categories?
Mark Altschwager: Thank you. Following up on the branded strategy and the success in ladies apparel, can you talk about the roadmap for replicating that success in other categories? What's the next area of focus?
Mark Altschwager: Thank you. Following up on the branded strategy and the success in ladies apparel, can you talk about the roadmap for replicating that success in other categories? What's the next area of focus?
Speaker #5: What's the next area of focus?
Speaker #1: Well, the branded strategy cuts across the whole store. It's probably most prominent within the ladies' business. But as we talked a bit in the prepared remarks, the growth for the quarter—actually, for each of the last two quarters—was very broad-based.
Jim Conroy: Well, the branding strategy cuts across the whole store. It's probably most prominent within the ladies business. As we talked a bit in the prepared remarks, the growth for the quarter, actually for each of the last few quarters, was very broad-based. As I look at comps by merchandise category between men's, ladies, kids, the whole center core set of businesses, cosmetics and shoes, all very strong. Home has really regained its ground. It's slightly comp eroding, but given where it started in the beginning of the year, it's very much in play for helping us drive a very strong Q4 comp. It's not really a sequential rollout between ladies and the other businesses. I think it's kind of now in our DNA.
Jim Conroy: Well, the branding strategy cuts across the whole store. It's probably most prominent within the ladies business. As we talked a bit in the prepared remarks, the growth for the quarter, actually for each of the last few quarters, was very broad-based. As I look at comps by merchandise category between men's, ladies, kids, the whole center core set of businesses, cosmetics and shoes, all very strong.
Speaker #1: And as I look at comps by merchandise category, between men's, ladies', kid's, the whole center core set of businesses, cosmetics and shoes, all very strong.
Jim Conroy: Home has really regained its ground. It's slightly comp eroding, but given where it started in the beginning of the year, it's very much in play for helping us drive a very strong Q4 comp. It's not really a sequential rollout between ladies and the other businesses. I think it's kind of now in our DNA.
Speaker #1: Home has really regained its ground. It's slightly comp-eroding, but given where it started in the beginning of the year, it's very much in play for helping us drive a very strong fourth-quarter comp.
Speaker #1: So it's not really a sequential rollout between Ladies' and the other businesses. And I think it's kind of now in our DNA. Now we're just kind of looking forward as to how we grow our business going forward, quarter to quarter.
Jim Conroy: Now we're just kind of looking forward as to how we grow our business, going forward quarter to quarter. Again, nearly every piece of our business, actually every major merchandise category, was solidly positive. We had a very strong business in outerwear, which was a bigger business for us this quarter than it's been in the past. It's very broad-based.
Jim Conroy: Now we're just kind of looking forward as to how we grow our business, going forward quarter to quarter. Again, nearly every piece of our business, actually every major merchandise category, was solidly positive. We had a very strong business in outerwear, which was a bigger business for us this quarter than it's been in the past. It's very broad-based.
Speaker #1: But again, nearly every piece of our business actually, every major merchandise category was solidly positive. But a very strong business in outerwear, which was a bigger business for us this quarter than it's been in the past.
Speaker #1: So it's very broad-based.
Speaker #5: Excellent. Thank you.
Mark Altschwager: Excellent. Thank you.
Mark Altschwager: Excellent. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel with Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel with Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel with Guggenheim. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #6: Thanks. Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Really nice job. Just following up on the last one, when thinking about the branded effort, any way to frame how AUR has been looking on a category level?
Simeon Siegel: Thanks. Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Really nice job. Just, Jim, just following up on the last one. When thinking about the branded effort, any way to frame how AUR has been looking on a category level? Before accounting for any category shifts, just within the categories that you're working after, how AUR looks. Can you guys quantify the new store versus maintenance CapEx within next year's guide? Thank you.
Simeon Siegel: Thanks. Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Really nice job. Just, Jim, just following up on the last one. When thinking about the branded effort, any way to frame how AUR has been looking on a category level? Before accounting for any category shifts, just within the categories that you're working after, how AUR looks. Can you guys quantify the new store versus maintenance CapEx within next year's guide? Thank you.
Speaker #6: So just to before accounting for any category shifts, just within the categories that you're working after, how AUR looks. And then did you guys quantify the new store versus maintenance CAPEX within next year's guide?
Speaker #6: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: On the AUR piece, look, our AUR increase was pretty modest in the quarter. I think we called out basket, a modest increase in the basket, but most of the comp coming from transactions. The UPT was flattish versus last year. You could surmise that AUR was just a modest increase as well. It was a little disproportionate to the part of the business that got hit hardest by tariffs, which was home. home was up. The other businesses didn't see that much of a AUR increase. I think if we had a learning coming out of the quarter is that we probably have the ability to push for some either higher priced goods or potentially taking some retails up.
Speaker #1: On the AUR piece, look, our AUR increased was pretty modest in the quarter. I think we've called out basket. A modest increase in the basket, but most of the comp coming from transactions.
Jim Conroy: On the AUR piece, look, our AUR increase was pretty modest in the quarter. I think we called out basket, a modest increase in the basket, but most of the comp coming from transactions. The UPT was flattish versus last year. You could surmise that AUR was just a modest increase as well. It was a little disproportionate to the part of the business that got hit hardest by tariffs, which was home.
Speaker #1: The UPT was flattish versus last year. So you could surmise then AUR was just a modest increase as well. It was a little disproportionate to the part of the business that got hit hardest by tariffs, which was home.
Speaker #1: So, home was up. The other businesses didn't see that much of an AUR increase. I think if we had a learning coming out of the quarter, it is that we probably have the ability to push for some either higher-priced goods or potentially take some retails up.
Jim Conroy: Home was up. The other businesses didn't see that much of a AUR increase. I think if we had a learning coming out of the quarter is that we probably have the ability to push for some either higher priced goods or potentially taking some retails up.
Jim Conroy: But what's made us successful for years and years is having the best Bargains in retail and always maintaining our umbrella relative to mainstream retail. We're gonna focus on that for sure. We probably have gained some confidence in shifting our assortment to, again, slightly higher priced goods, new goods, not like for like in higher prices. Maybe in certain targeted places, if we feel like we have merchandise categories that are margin eroding, increasing AUR a little bit to recapture some of that. We feel just really well positioned as we start 2026. We're excited about the current growth, but there's seemingly another dozen levers that we can pull for additional growth going forward.
Speaker #1: But what's made us successful for years and years is having the best bargains in retail and always maintaining our umbrella relative to mainstream retail.
Jim Conroy: But what's made us successful for years and years is having the best Bargains in retail and always maintaining our umbrella relative to mainstream retail. We're gonna focus on that for sure. We probably have gained some confidence in shifting our assortment to, again, slightly higher priced goods, new goods, not like for like in higher prices.
Speaker #1: So we're going to focus on that for sure. But we probably have gained some confidence in shifting our assortment to, again, slightly higher-priced goods, new goods, not like-for-like in higher prices.
Jim Conroy: Maybe in certain targeted places, if we feel like we have merchandise categories that are margin eroding, increasing AUR a little bit to recapture some of that. We feel just really well positioned as we start 2026. We're excited about the current growth, but there's seemingly another dozen levers that we can pull for additional growth going forward.
Speaker #1: And maybe, in certain targeted places, if we feel like we have merchandise categories that are margin eroding, increasing AUR a little bit to recapture some of that.
Speaker #1: So we feel just really well-positioned as we start 2026. We're excited about the current growth, but there's seemingly another dozen levers that we can pull for additional growth going forward.
Speaker #6: And then regarding capital, right, the best way to probably think about it for us is maybe think about a third each for DCs and new stores, and maybe 25% for store maintenance.
Michael Hartshorn: Regarding capital, right, the best way to probably think about it for us is maybe think about a third each for DCs and new stores and maybe 25% for store maintenance and the balance for, you know, technology enhancements to merchandising tools and initiatives and other things that are gonna support long-term growth.
Michael Hartshorn: Regarding capital, right, the best way to probably think about it for us is maybe think about a third each for DCs and new stores and maybe 25% for store maintenance and the balance for, you know, technology enhancements to merchandising tools and initiatives and other things that are gonna support long-term growth.
Speaker #6: And the balance for technology enhancements to merchandising tools and initiatives and other things that are going to support long-term growth.
Speaker #2: That's great. Thanks, guys. Best of luck for the year.
Jay Sole: That's great. Thanks, guys. Best of luck for the year.
Jay Sole: That's great. Thanks, guys. Best of luck for the year.
Speaker #5: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: Thank you.
Speaker #1: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Ike Borichow with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Ike Boruchow with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Ike Boruchow with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #7: Good afternoon. This is Juliana Dugan for Ike. Thank you for taking our question. I wanted to ask if you've seen any changes in the type of consumer shopping you've been seeing across both the brands whether that's between the Good, Better, Best towards branded or any other commentary you could give there.
[Analyst] (Wells Fargo): Good afternoon. This is Juliana, just down for Ike. Thank you for taking our question. I wanted to ask if you've seen any changes in the type of consumer shopping you've been seeing across both the brands, whether that's between the good, better, best towards branded or any other commentary you could give there. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Wells Fargo): Good afternoon. This is Juliana, just down for Ike. Thank you for taking our question. I wanted to ask if you've seen any changes in the type of consumer shopping you've been seeing across both the brands, whether that's between the good, better, best towards branded or any other commentary you could give there. Thank you.
Speaker #7: Thank you.
Speaker #1: The quick answer I would say is no. The composition of our customer base seems to be very much intact. We've seen growth across essentially all pieces of it in terms of income levels, age, different ethnicities, so to tease out any minor differences it would be kind of unnecessary.
Jim Conroy: The quick answer I would say is no. The composition of our customer base seems to be very much intact. We've seen growth across essentially all pieces of it in terms of income levels, age, different ethnicities. To tease out any minor differences, it would be kind of unnecessary. It's been an overarching, a rising tide, I think, for essentially all customers.
Jim Conroy: The quick answer I would say is no. The composition of our customer base seems to be very much intact. We've seen growth across essentially all pieces of it in terms of income levels, age, different ethnicities. To tease out any minor differences, it would be kind of unnecessary. It's been an overarching, a rising tide, I think, for essentially all customers.
Speaker #1: It's been an overarching rising tide, I think, for essentially all customers.
Speaker #7: Got it. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Wells Fargo): Got it. Thank you.
[Analyst] (Wells Fargo): Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #1: Of course.
Jim Conroy: Of course.
Jim Conroy: Of course.
Speaker #2: And the next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey with the Telsey Group. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey with Telsey Advisory Group. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #8: Hi, good afternoon, and congratulations on a very nice result. As you talked about expanding DDs, I believe going from 10 new store openings in '25 to '25 and '26—is it the same strategies that give you confidence in DDs and that you're seeing the results on?
Dana Telsey: Hi, good afternoon, congratulations on a very nice results. As you talked about expanding dd's, I believe going from 10 new store openings in 2025 to 2025 and 2026, is it the same strategies that give you confidence in dd's and that you're seeing the results on? Is there any changes either to cost of store, size of store in dd's that you're seeing? Is the good, better, best strategy, how it is applied to dd's? Just lastly, new store openings cadence this year, how do they flow through? What % of the stores will be in the Northeast this year? Thank you.
Dana Telsey: Hi, good afternoon, congratulations on a very nice results. As you talked about expanding dd's, I believe going from 10 new store openings in 2025 to 2025 and 2026, is it the same strategies that give you confidence in dd's and that you're seeing the results on?
Speaker #8: And is there any changes either to cost of store, size of store, and DDs that you're seeing? And is the Better, Best the Good, Better, Best strategy how it is applied to DDs?
Dana Telsey: Is there any changes either to cost of store, size of store in dd's that you're seeing? Is the good, better, best strategy, how it is applied to dd's? Just lastly, new store openings cadence this year, how do they flow through? What % of the stores will be in the Northeast this year? Thank you.
Speaker #8: And just lastly, new store openings, cadence this year, how do they flow through? And what percentage of the stores will be in the Northeast this year?
Speaker #8: Thank you.
Michael Hartshorn: Dana, the, on dd's, what really gives us confidence is the underlying merchandising strategies that we've been working on the last couple of years, and certainly the overall performance of dd's, which has, like Ross, has had very strong trends. On the re-acceleration, no change in store size. Like Ross, we're seeing very strong new store performance, which also gives us confidence. This year's new stores are primarily in some of their older markets. We were able to take advantage of some Rite Aid bankruptcy deal that helped sure up the pipeline for this year. In terms of cadence, I think it'll be more weighted to the summer and fall opening groups.
Michael Hartshorn: Dana, the, on dd's, what really gives us confidence is the underlying merchandising strategies that we've been working on the last couple of years, and certainly the overall performance of dd's, which has, like Ross, has had very strong trends. On the re-acceleration, no change in store size.
Speaker #9: Dana, the on DDs, what really gives us confidence is the underlying merchandising strategies that we've been working on the last couple of years. And certainly, the overall performance of DDs, which has like
Speaker #1: Ross . Has had very , very strong trends on the Reacceleration . No change in store size . Like Ross , we're seeing very strong new store performance , which also gives us confidence .
Michael Hartshorn: Like Ross, we're seeing very strong new store performance, which also gives us confidence. This year's new stores are primarily in some of their older markets. We were able to take advantage of some Rite Aid bankruptcy deal that helped sure up the pipeline for this year. In terms of cadence, I think it'll be more weighted to the summer and fall opening groups. I think those are gonna be pretty even with about, I think we said 17 store, new stores in the first opening window.
Speaker #1: This year's new stores are primarily in some of their older markets . We were able to take advantage of some Rite Aid bankruptcy deal that helped shore up the pipeline for this year In of cadence , I think it'll be more weighted to the summer and fall opening groups .
Speaker #1: I think those are going to be pretty even with about . I think we said 17 new stores in the in the first opening window
Michael Hartshorn: I think those are gonna be pretty even with about, I think we said 17 store, new stores in the first opening window.
Speaker #2: Thank you .
Dana Telsey: Thank you.
Dana Telsey: Thank you.
Speaker #3: Sure .
Michael Hartshorn: Sure.
Michael Hartshorn: Sure.
Speaker #4: Thanks , Dana
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Dana.
Jim Conroy: Thanks, Dana.
Speaker #5: And the next question comes from the line of Marni Shapiro with Retail Tracker . Please proceed with your question
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Marni Shapiro with The Retail Tracker. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Marni Shapiro with The Retail Tracker. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #6: Hey everyone . Congrats on a great quarter . I just want to follow up on Dana's comments on DD's . I was curious , did you see the same trends there as well ?
Marni Shapiro: Hey, everyone. Congrats on a great quarter. I just wanna follow up on Dana's comments on dd's. I was curious, did you see the same trends there as well? It was driven by traffic and not basket. Have you taken over the last year due to tariffs, any price increases at dd's? Just one last follow-up on dd's. Do you have much of a home business there compared to Ross, or is it smaller?
Marni Shapiro: Hey, everyone. Congrats on a great quarter. I just wanna follow up on Dana's comments on dd's. I was curious, did you see the same trends there as well? It was driven by traffic and not basket. Have you taken over the last year due to tariffs, any price increases at dd's? Just one last follow-up on dd's. Do you have much of a home business there compared to Ross, or is it smaller?
Speaker #6: It was driven by traffic and not basket . And have you taken over the last year due to tariffs ? Any price increases at DD's and then just one last follow up on DD's .
Speaker #6: Do you have much of a home business there compared to Ross, or is it smaller?
Michael Hartshorn: On the trends for dd's, I'd say they're very similar for Ross, including basket and minus price increases.
Speaker #1: On the trends for DD’s, I’d say they’re very similar. For Ross, including basket and modest price increases. Increases.
Michael Hartshorn: On the trends for dd's, I'd say they're very similar for Ross, including basket and minus price increases.
Speaker #4: And they have a very vibrant home business at DD's in line with the percent of total store that processed the categories are slightly different .
Jim Conroy: They have a very vibrant home business at dd's, in line with the % of total store process. The categories are slightly different. The mix of categories within home are slightly different. It's a very strong part of that business as well.
Jim Conroy: They have a very vibrant home business at dd's, in line with the % of total store process. The categories are slightly different. The mix of categories within home are slightly different. It's a very strong part of that business as well.
Speaker #4: The mix of categories within home are slightly different , but it's a it's a very strong part of that business as well .
Speaker #6: And I remember when you guys were first tinkering with DD's and over the years as you played with DD's , you've had a larger kids business .
Marni Shapiro: I remember when you guys were first tinkering with dd's, and over the years, as you played with dd's, you've had a larger kids business. Is that still true, or is it more balanced today? Is it more like Ross?
Marni Shapiro: I remember when you guys were first tinkering with dd's, and over the years, as you played with dd's, you've had a larger kids business. Is that still true, or is it more balanced today? Is it more like Ross?
Speaker #6: Is that still true, or is it more balanced today? Is it more like Ross?
Speaker #4: I , I'm not sure . I know the answer to that off top of my head , but it's they also have a decent kids business and we tend to not want to disclose sort of with such specificity .
Jim Conroy: I'm not sure I know the answer to that off the top of my head, but it's, they also have a decent kids business. We tend to not want to disclose sort of with such specificity the size of each of our businesses.
Jim Conroy: I'm not sure I know the answer to that off the top of my head, but it's, they also have a decent kids business. We tend to not want to disclose sort of with such specificity the size of each of our businesses.
Speaker #4: The size of each of our businesses
Speaker #6: Fair enough . Actually . Don't disclose it . Keep it to yourselves . Thank you guys . Best of luck in the first quarter .
Krisztina Katai: Fair enough. Actually, don't disclose it. Keep it to yourselves. Thank you, guys. Best of luck in Q1. I rescind my question. No one needs to know the answers. Good luck with Q1.
Krisztina Katai: Fair enough. Actually, don't disclose it. Keep it to yourselves. Thank you, guys. Best of luck in Q1. I rescind my question. No one needs to know the answers. Good luck with Q1.
Speaker #6: I rescind my question . No one needs to know the answers . Good luck with the first quarter .
Speaker #1: Thanks .
Jim Conroy: Thanks.
Jim Conroy: Thanks.
Speaker #4: Thanks so much
Jay Sole: Thanks so much.
Jay Sole: Thanks so much.
Speaker #5: And the next question comes from the line of Anisha Sherman with Bernstein . Please proceed with your question .
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Aneesha Sherman with Bernstein. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #7: Thank you so much . And great quarter . So you talked about capturing additional market share , Jim , you used inflection that you saw during back to school .
Aneesha Sherman: Thank you so much, great quarter. You talked about capturing additional market share. Jim used the word inflection that you saw during back to school. You're obviously guiding for a step down in comp in the second half. You're facing some tougher compares. Can you talk about how you're thinking about how sustainable this accelerated level of comp is? Do you see it as you lap a year and then you go back to algo, or do you see this as more sustainable as you're winning over new customers who can be more permanent fixture in the comp growth going forward?
Aneesha Sherman: Thank you so much, great quarter. You talked about capturing additional market share. Jim used the word inflection that you saw during back to school. You're obviously guiding for a step down in comp in the second half. You're facing some tougher compares. Can you talk about how you're thinking about how sustainable this accelerated level of comp is? Do you see it as you lap a year and then you go back to algo, or do you see this as more sustainable as you're winning over new customers who can be more permanent fixture in the comp growth going forward?
Speaker #7: You're obviously guiding for a step down in comp in the second half . You're facing some tougher compares . Can you talk about how you're thinking about how sustainable this this accelerated level of comp is ?
Speaker #7: Do you see it as you lap a year and then you go back to algo? Or do you see this as more sustainable, as you're winning over new customers who can be a more permanent fixture in the comp growth going forward?
Jim Conroy: I'll take a crack at it and then my partner will probably give a more conservative view. I don't... You know, look, we came out of a nice Q3, and we feel excited about our Q4. We're clearly exiting Q4 with strength and putting up a what we think a nice guide for Q1. I don't think it's overly aggressive given where the business is. There are two schools of thought in retail. One is, you know, as soon as you start lapping these numbers, everybody looking at two year, you can't put great numbers on top of great numbers. I think sometimes that's true. I don't...
Speaker #4: I'll take a crack at it and then my partner will probably give a more conservative view . I don't , you know , look what we came out of a nice third quarter and and we feel excited about our fourth quarter .
Jim Conroy: I'll take a crack at it and then my partner will probably give a more conservative view. I don't... You know, look, we came out of a nice Q3, and we feel excited about our Q4. We're clearly exiting Q4 with strength and putting up a what we think a nice guide for Q1. I don't think it's overly aggressive given where the business is. There are two schools of thought in retail. One is, you know, as soon as you start lapping these numbers, everybody looking at two year, you can't put great numbers on top of great numbers. I think sometimes that's true. I don't...
Speaker #4: We're clearly exiting Q4 with strength and putting up a We think a nice guide for Q1 . I don't think it's overly aggressive given where the business is .
Speaker #4: There are two schools of thought in retail . One is , you know , as soon as you start lapping these numbers , you'll ever be looking at two years and you can't put great numbers on top of great numbers .
Speaker #4: I think sometimes that's true . I don't it's much too early . As we sit here in the very beginning of March to prognosticate the back half of the year , and we have a guide that we just put out there .
Jim Conroy: It's much too early as we sit here in the very beginning of March to prognosticate the back half of the year, and we have a guide that we just put out there. There's another school of thought that says, we're inviting new customers into the brand, the assortment and the in-store experience is converting them into shoppers. The in-store experience is better. They're returning more quickly. Word of mouth begins to spread, bringing even more customers in. As comp store sales increases, you naturally get more marketing dollars as we do it as a rate of sales. You naturally get more labor, so the stores look better, and you can start spinning that proverbial flywheel or virtuous cycle or whatever.
Jim Conroy: It's much too early as we sit here in the very beginning of March to prognosticate the back half of the year, and we have a guide that we just put out there. There's another school of thought that says, we're inviting new customers into the brand, the assortment and the in-store experience is converting them into shoppers. The in-store experience is better.
Speaker #4: But there's another school of thought that says we're inviting new customers into the brand. The assortment and the experience is converting them into shoppers.
Speaker #4: The in-store experience is better. The returning, more quickly, word of mouth begins to spread, bringing even more customers in as comp store sales increases.
Jim Conroy: They're returning more quickly. Word of mouth begins to spread, bringing even more customers in. As comp store sales increases, you naturally get more marketing dollars as we do it as a rate of sales. You naturally get more labor, so the stores look better, and you can start spinning that proverbial flywheel or virtuous cycle or whatever.
Speaker #4: You naturally get more marketing dollars as we do it as a rate of sales , you naturally get more labor to the stores , look better , and you can start spinning that proverbial flywheel or virtuous cycle or whatever .
Speaker #4: That's the school of thought that I come from . And the one that we're trying to sort of embed in the culture here .
Jim Conroy: That's the school of thought that I come from and the one that we're trying to sort of embed in the culture here, a growth orientation, getting all of the functional areas in alignment. When we look at the back half of the year, certainly this early, we want to remain conservative. I see tremendous opportunity for us to continue to grow the business in a somewhat outsized way.
Jim Conroy: That's the school of thought that I come from and the one that we're trying to sort of embed in the culture here, a growth orientation, getting all of the functional areas in alignment. When we look at the back half of the year, certainly this early, we want to remain conservative. I see tremendous opportunity for us to continue to grow the business in a somewhat outsized way.
Speaker #4: A growth orientation , getting all the functional areas in alignment . And when we look at the back half of the year , certainly this early , we want to remain conservative .
Speaker #4: But I see tremendous opportunity for us to continue to grow the business in a somewhat outsized way
Aneesha Sherman: Is it fair to say that your guidance encompasses the first school of thought, where you're looking at the two-year stacks or CAGRs and normalizing for that, you internally are pushing your buyers to the second school of thought where it's more sustainable?
Aneesha Sherman: Is it fair to say that your guidance encompasses the first school of thought, where you're looking at the two-year stacks or CAGRs and normalizing for that, you internally are pushing your buyers to the second school of thought where it's more sustainable?
Speaker #7: Is it fair to say that your guidance encompasses the first school of thought, where you're looking at the two-year stacks or keggers and normalizing for that?
Speaker #7: But then you internally are are pushing your bias to the second school of thought , where it's more sustainable .
Speaker #4: Yeah , I perhaps that's part of it . The other part of it is it's it's just so early and , you know , we've we've had two nice quarters , but the two quarters prior to that weren't so great And , and clearly there's a lot going on in the macro environment right now .
Jim Conroy: Perhaps that's part of it. The other part of it is, it's just so early. You know, we've had 2 nice quarters, but, you know, the 2 quarters prior to that weren't so great. Clearly there's a lot going on in the macro environment right now. We just felt it would have been irresponsible to be more aggressive for the balance of the year. Let's face it's I think 1 of the stronger full year comps we've put out as a company in a while. We thought that was should have been an indication of positive momentum.
Jim Conroy: Perhaps that's part of it. The other part of it is, it's just so early. You know, we've had 2 nice quarters, but, you know, the 2 quarters prior to that weren't so great. Clearly there's a lot going on in the macro environment right now. We just felt it would have been irresponsible to be more aggressive for the balance of the year. Let's face it's I think 1 of the stronger full year comps we've put out as a company in a while. We thought that was should have been an indication of positive momentum.
Speaker #4: So we just felt it would have been irresponsible to be more aggressive for the balance of the year. And let's face it, I think one of the stronger full-year comps we've put out as a company in a while.
Speaker #4: So we thought that was should have been an indication of of positive momentum .
Speaker #7: Got it . Thank you .
Aneesha Sherman: Got it. Thank you.
Aneesha Sherman: Got it. Thank you.
Speaker #4: Of course
Jim Conroy: Of course.
Jim Conroy: Of course.
Speaker #5: And the next question comes from the line of Jay Sole with UBS . Please proceed with your question .
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Jay Sole with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Jay Sole with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #4: Great . Thank you so much . I want to ask about market share in a different way . Jim , do you think you're taking market share from other off price retailers or do you think it's coming more from traditional retailers ?
Jay Sole: Great. Thank you so much. I wanna ask about market share in a different way. Tim, do you think you're taking market share from other off-price retailers, or do you think it's coming more from traditional retailers? How do you see that? Thank you.
Jay Sole: Great. Thank you so much. I wanna ask about market share in a different way. Tim, do you think you're taking market share from other off-price retailers, or do you think it's coming more from traditional retailers? How do you see that? Thank you.
Speaker #4: How do you see that ? Thank you Well , it's a giant retail market out there . Of course . And I think the the bigger forfeiture of market share is coming from mainstream retail .
Jim Conroy: Well, it's a giant retail market out there, of course, and I think the bigger forfeiture of market share is coming from mainstream retail. One of our other off-price competitors just posted a very solid quarter as well, and they're a bigger business than us. It would be foolhardy to say we're taking a lot of share from them. I think the share shift is more from mainstream retail, department stores, and other places like that, to off-price in general. We would just like to get our fair share or of course, more than our fair share from that shift.
Jim Conroy: Well, it's a giant retail market out there, of course, and I think the bigger forfeiture of market share is coming from mainstream retail. One of our other off-price competitors just posted a very solid quarter as well, and they're a bigger business than us. It would be foolhardy to say we're taking a lot of share from them. I think the share shift is more from mainstream retail, department stores, and other places like that, to off-price in general. We would just like to get our fair share or of course, more than our fair share from that shift.
Speaker #4: One of our other off price competitors just posted a very solid quarter as well . And there are bigger business than us . So it would be foolhardy to say we're taking a lot of share from them .
Speaker #4: I think the share shift is more from mainstream retail department stores and other places like that . To off price in general , and we would just like to get our fair share or of course , more than our fair share from that shift Got it .
Jay Sole: Got it. Okay, thank you so much.
Jay Sole: Got it. Okay, thank you so much.
Speaker #8: Okay . Thank you so much
Speaker #4: Thank you
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Jim Conroy: Thank you.
Speaker #5: And the next question comes from the line of Christina Katai with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Krisztina Katai with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Operator: The next question comes from the line of Krisztina Katai with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Speaker #7: Hi . Good afternoon and
Krisztina Katai: Hi, good afternoon, and congrats on a great quarter. You credited the branded strategy with sequential comp improvement. Can you just help contextualize for us how it's helping evolve your vendor base and strengthen the existing vendor relationships? Secondly, when thinking about the new customer acquisition, just how do you see their behavior in terms of spend or frequency of trips, compared to existing shoppers? Or just any early reads in terms of how you think about the stickiness of the newer customers that have been coming to you. Thank you.
Krisztina Katai: Hi, good afternoon, and congrats on a great quarter. You credited the branded strategy with sequential comp improvement. Can you just help contextualize for us how it's helping evolve your vendor base and strengthen the existing vendor relationships? Secondly, when thinking about the new customer acquisition, just how do you see their behavior in terms of spend or frequency of trips, compared to existing shoppers? Or just any early reads in terms of how you think about the stickiness of the newer customers that have been coming to you. Thank you.
Speaker #9: Congrats on a great quarter . You credited the branded strategy with sequential comp improvement . Can you just help contextualize for us how it's helping evolve your vendor base and strengthen the existing vendor relationships ?
Speaker #9: And then secondly, when thinking about new customer acquisition, how do you see their behavior in terms of spend or frequency of trips?
Speaker #9: So, taking existing shoppers, or just any early reads in terms of how you think about the stickiness of the newer customers that have been coming to you.
Speaker #9: Thank you
Speaker #4: Yeah, on the branded strategy that's been in place for a while now. And we sort of anniversary it a couple of quarters ago.
Jim Conroy: Yeah, on the branded strategy, that's been in place for a while now, and we sort of anniversaried it a couple of quarters ago. I think that team, particularly in ladies, maybe across the whole store, but particularly in ladies, has really started to build some nice momentum there, and the underpinning of it was the branded strategy. For the rest of the business, though, there's been a whole bunch of different changes made to the assortment, some modest increase in inventory selection in the store. it's not specifically the branded strategy in every particular business. I would say the sequential improvement in comps was much broader than just the branded strategy.
Jim Conroy: Yeah, on the branded strategy, that's been in place for a while now, and we sort of anniversaried it a couple of quarters ago. I think that team, particularly in ladies, maybe across the whole store, but particularly in ladies, has really started to build some nice momentum there, and the underpinning of it was the branded strategy.
Speaker #4: So the , the I think that team , particularly in ladies maybe across the whole store but particularly in ladies has really started to build some nice momentum .
Speaker #4: There . And the underpinning of it was the branded strategy . But the rest of the business , though the , the there's been a whole bunch of different changes made to the assortment , some modest increase in inventory selection in the store and so it's not specifically the branded strategy in every particular business .
Jim Conroy: For the rest of the business, though, there's been a whole bunch of different changes made to the assortment, some modest increase in inventory selection in the store. it's not specifically the branded strategy in every particular business. I would say the sequential improvement in comps was much broader than just the branded strategy.
Speaker #4: I would say the sequential improvement in comps was much broader than just the branded strategy. It included marketing changes, in-store merchandising, and operational changes.
Jim Conroy: It included marketing changes, in-store merchandising and operational changes, bringing the store experience up a couple of levels so a shopper would feel like the store was tidier and they could get in and out more quickly, et cetera. In terms of the customer count, customer frequency behavior, we simply just don't have enough good data to say are our current customers shopping more frequently, or is it all new customers, or is it lapsed customers. What we In some of the same sets of data that you all receive from the credit card tracking companies, we get some pretty specific data on customer cards and card numbers, and then we have to sort of make sense of all of that.
Jim Conroy: It included marketing changes, in-store merchandising and operational changes, bringing the store experience up a couple of levels so a shopper would feel like the store was tidier and they could get in and out more quickly, et cetera. In terms of the customer count, customer frequency behavior, we simply just don't have enough good data to say are our current customers shopping more frequently, or is it all new customers, or is it lapsed customers.
Speaker #4: Bringing the store experience up a couple of levels, so a shopper would feel like the store was tidier and they could get in and out more quickly, etc.
Speaker #4: . In terms of the customer , count , customer frequency , behavior We simply just don't have enough good data to say are our current customer shopping more frequently or is it all new customers or is it lapsed customers ?
Speaker #4: What we in some of the same sets of data that you all receive from the credit card tracking companies ? We get some some pretty specific data on customer cards and card numbers , and then we have to sort of make sense of all of that .
Jim Conroy: What we In some of the same sets of data that you all receive from the credit card tracking companies, we get some pretty specific data on customer cards and card numbers, and then we have to sort of make sense of all of that. It's hard to then say, you know, is that the same customer shopping with a different card, or is it new customers, or is it lapsed customer with a different card, et cetera.
Speaker #4: But it's hard to then say, you know, is that the same customer shopping with a different card, or is it a new customer, or lapsed customers, or a different card, etc.
Jim Conroy: It's hard to then say, you know, is that the same customer shopping with a different card, or is it new customers, or is it lapsed customer with a different card, et cetera. When you zoom out a little bit and open the aperture a little bit, it is clear to us that we're starting to build customer count growth, and that's exciting for us. Did that answer your question? We may have lost her. I think that's the end of the queue. John, are you there?
Jim Conroy: When you zoom out a little bit and open the aperture a little bit, it is clear to us that we're starting to build customer count growth, and that's exciting for us. Did that answer your question? We may have lost her. I think that's the end of the queue. John, are you there?
Speaker #4: . When you when you zoom out a little bit and open the aperture a little bit , it is clear to us that we're starting to build customer count growth .
Speaker #4: And that's exciting for us That answer your question We may have lost her . I think that's the end of the queue . John , are you there ?
Speaker #5: Yes. Our final question comes from the line of John Carden with William Blair. Please proceed.
Operator: Yes. Our final question comes from the line of Dylan Carden with William Blair. Please proceed.
Operator: Yes. Our final question comes from the line of Dylan Carden with William Blair. Please proceed.
Speaker #10: Snuck be in there . Just . Jim , you alluded to this thought that there was going to be this big or increase in marketing increase in store investment , and you're proving kind of acceleration with leverage .
Dylan Carden: Snuck me in there. Just, Jim, you alluded to this thought that, you know, there was gonna be this big or increase in marketing, increase in store investment, and you're proving kinda comp acceleration with leverage, if you look at kinda the Q4. You mentioned some of the things that are blocking out the first quarter. I'm curious on what the right way to think about marketing and store investment is go forward. Is it that there's a more flexible nature of marketing, more variable nature to marketing, or you can kind of be more nimble in any given period, and the store investment is just minute or simple in nature and kinda tails off, or you'll be more focused on keeping it fresh go forward? Sort of what is the right way to think about this?
Dylan Carden: Snuck me in there. Just, Jim, you alluded to this thought that, you know, there was gonna be this big or increase in marketing, increase in store investment, and you're proving kinda comp acceleration with leverage, if you look at kinda the Q4. You mentioned some of the things that are blocking out the first quarter. I'm curious on what the right way to think about marketing and store investment is go forward.
Speaker #10: If you look at kind of the fourth quarter , you mentioned some of the things that are blocking out the first quarter , but I'm curious on what the right way to think about marketing and store investment is .
Speaker #10: Going forward, is it that there's a more flexible nature to marketing—a more variable nature to marketing—so that you can kind of be more nimble in any given period?
Dylan Carden: Is it that there's a more flexible nature of marketing, more variable nature to marketing, or you can kind of be more nimble in any given period, and the store investment is just minute or simple in nature and kinda tails off, or you'll be more focused on keeping it fresh go forward? Sort of what is the right way to think about this?
Speaker #10: And the store investment is just minute or simple in nature and kind of tails off, or you'll be more focused on keeping it fresh.
Speaker #10: Go forward , sort of what what is the right way to think about this ? Yeah . Thanks .
Jim Conroy: Sure.
Jim Conroy: Sure.
Dylan Carden: Yeah. Thanks.
Dylan Carden: Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker #4: Happy to answer that . I , I'm not sure what I said to led you to that conclusion . I thought I said almost the exact opposite of that , which is we have not made investment outside investments in marketing or outside investments in store labor .
Jim Conroy: Happy to answer that. I'm not sure what I said that led you to that conclusion. I thought I said almost the exact opposite of that, which is we have not made investments outsized investments in marketing or outsized investments in store labor. We've gotten the comp growth that we've gotten within the confines of the operating model. Coming out of Q4, with some really nice leverage based on the fact that we haven't made those investments. I do think going forward, we might experiment a little bit, but still within the confines of the operating model of, you know, should we tick up marketing slightly, not meaningfully, but slightly. We're always doing targeted investments to... Michael talks a lot about test and learn.
Jim Conroy: Happy to answer that. I'm not sure what I said that led you to that conclusion. I thought I said almost the exact opposite of that, which is we have not made investments outsized investments in marketing or outsized investments in store labor. We've gotten the comp growth that we've gotten within the confines of the operating model.
Speaker #4: And we've gotten the comp growth that we've gotten within the confines of the operating model. And coming out of Q4 with some really nice leverage, based on the fact that we haven't made those investments.
Jim Conroy: Coming out of Q4, with some really nice leverage based on the fact that we haven't made those investments. I do think going forward, we might experiment a little bit, but still within the confines of the operating model of, you know, should we tick up marketing slightly, not meaningfully, but slightly. We're always doing targeted investments to... Michael talks a lot about test and learn.
Speaker #4: I do think going forward , we might experiment a little bit , but still , within the confines of the operating model of should we pick up marketing slightly , not meaningfully , but slightly .
Speaker #4: We're always doing targeted investments to . Michael talked a lot about test and learn . If we do certain things in a store with store labor , either some additional hours or reallocating hours , what's the benefit to the way the store looks or how fast we move through the queue line ?
Jim Conroy: If we do certain things in a store with store labor, either some additional hours or reallocating hours, you know, what's the benefit to the way the store looks or how fast we move through the queue line? We'll be experimenting going forward, but I would hope that the takeaway from the call is we've been achieving some really nice, I'd say, outsized comp sales growth in Q3, Q4, and our guide for Q1 without having to do any unnecessary or artificial investment in either marketing, store labor or CapEx. I think those levers exist out there for us, and we might, if we can find ROI on them, we might start playing with those.
Jim Conroy: If we do certain things in a store with store labor, either some additional hours or reallocating hours, you know, what's the benefit to the way the store looks or how fast we move through the queue line? We'll be experimenting going forward, but I would hope that the takeaway from the call is we've been achieving some really nice, I'd say, outsized comp sales growth in Q3, Q4, and our guide for Q1 without having to do any unnecessary or artificial investment in either marketing, store labor or CapEx. I think those levers exist out there for us, and we might, if we can find ROI on them, we might start playing with those.
Speaker #4: So we'll be we'll be experimenting , going forward , but I would hope that the takeaway from the call is we've been achieving some really nice .
Speaker #4: I'd say , outsized comp sales growth in Q3 , Q4 and our guide for Q1 without having to do any unnecessary or artificial investment in either marketing or labor or CapEx .
Speaker #4: I think those levers exist out there for us , and we might if we can find ROI on them , we might start playing with those .
Speaker #4: But it was funny. It was on this call last year where we said, we're going to look to try to do all of these things, expense neutral.
Jim Conroy: It was funny, it was on this call last year where we said we're going to look to try to do all of these things expense neutral. I think we've achieved that 12 months later. As we go forward, I'm in my second year. The team has really come together nicely. The two chief merchants that have now been in their roles for a year are both doing unbelievably well. You know, we're sort of just hitting our stride and building momentum going forward. For 2026, a lot more opportunities going forward. As Michael teases me all the time, the best is yet to come.
Jim Conroy: It was funny, it was on this call last year where we said we're going to look to try to do all of these things expense neutral. I think we've achieved that 12 months later. As we go forward, I'm in my second year. The team has really come together nicely. The two chief merchants that have now been in their roles for a year are both doing unbelievably well. You know, we're sort of just hitting our stride and building momentum going forward. For 2026, a lot more opportunities going forward. As Michael teases me all the time, the best is yet to come.
Speaker #4: And I think we've achieved that 12 months later as we go forward . I'm in my second year . The team has really come together nicely .
Speaker #4: The two chief merchants that have now been in their roles for a year are both doing unbelievably well and we're sort of just hitting our stride in building momentum , going forward .
Speaker #4: So for 2026, a lot more opportunities going forward. As Michael teases me all the time, the best is yet to come.
Speaker #10: Let's leave it there. That's awesome. Thank you very much.
Dylan Carden: Let's leave it there. That's awesome. Thank you very much.
Dylan Carden: Let's leave it there. That's awesome. Thank you very much.
Speaker #4: All right . Thank you .
Jim Conroy: All right. Thank you.
Jim Conroy: All right. Thank you.
Speaker #5: Thank you . This now concludes the question and answer session . I would like to turn the floor back over to Jim Conroy for any closing comments .
Operator: Thank you. This now concludes the question and answer session. Now I'd like to turn the floor back over to James Conroy for any closing comments.
Operator: Thank you. This now concludes the question and answer session. Now I'd like to turn the floor back over to James Conroy for any closing comments.
Speaker #4: Well thank you everyone for joining us on today's call . And we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call .
Jim Conroy: Well, thank you everyone for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Take care.
Jim Conroy: Well, thank you everyone for joining us on today's call, and we look forward to speaking with you on our next earnings call. Take care.
Speaker #4: Take care
Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude today's conference call. We thank you for your participation. Please disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.
Operator: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. That does conclude today's conference call. We thank you for your participation. Please disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.