Q4 2025 CareRx Corp Earnings Call

March 5, 2026

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Operator: Given these risks and uncertainties, investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on the company's forward-looking information. For additional information on the risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contemplated by the forward-looking information and the factors and assumptions associated with such forward-looking information, please refer to the company's MD&A for the 3 and 12-month periods ended 31 December 2025 and 2024 and other documents filed on the company's profile on sedarplus.ca. I would now like to turn the conference over to Puneet Khanna, President and CEO of CareRx Corporation. Please go ahead, Mr. Khanna.

Speaker #1: Please refer to the company's mDNA for the three and 12 month period ending December 31st , 2025 and 2024 , and other documents filed on the company's profile on WWE I would now like to turn the conference over to Connor , President and CEO of Kerr Corporation .

Speaker #1: Please go ahead , Mr. Connor

Puneet Khanna: Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Q4 2025 Earnings Call. With me this morning is our Chief Financial Officer, Suzanne Brand. In Q4 for the 3-month period ending 31 December 2025, we delivered strong financial and operating performance. We generated revenue of CAD 96.1 million and adjusted EBITDA of CAD 8.8 million, representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.2%. We also delivered net income of CAD 1 million in the quarter after adjusting to remove the effect of a deferred income tax recovery. Average bed service increased to 92,250 in Q4. For the year, we delivered revenue of CAD 370.2 million, an adjusted EBITDA of CAD 32.9 million.

Speaker #2: Thank you and good morning , everyone . Welcome to our fourth quarter 2020 earnings call . With me this morning is our chief Financial officer , Susanne Brand In the fourth quarter for the three month period ending December 31st , 2025 , we delivered strong financial and operating performance .

Speaker #2: We generated revenue of $96.1 million and adjusted EBITDA of representing an adjusted margin of 9.2% . We also delivered net income of $1 million in the quarter after adjusting to remove the effect of a deferred income tax recovery , average bed service increased to 92,250 .

Speaker #2: In Q4 for the year . We delivered revenue of $370.2 million and adjusted EBITDA of $32.9 million . Adjusted EBITDA margin for the year was 8.9% , and we delivered net income of $3.3 million .

Puneet Khanna: Adjusted EBITDA margin for the year was 8.9%. We delivered net income of $3.3 million after adjusting to remove the effect of an income tax recovery. We are proud of the financial results of the company as 2025 marks the first full year of positive net income. Our financial performance also reflects the contribution from new beds onboarded throughout the year, combined with the ongoing benefits of our cost savings and efficiency initiatives. I'm very proud of the entire CareRx team from coast to coast, those in our pharmacies, our office-based locations, and the team supporting on-site within the homes we service. It is the dedication and hard work of the collective teams that has enabled us to deliver these results while continuing to provide high-quality pharmacy services and programs to our residents and home partners. Turning to our full-year highlights.

Speaker #2: After adjusting to remove the effect of an income tax recovery , we are proud of the financial results of the company as 2025 marks the first full year of positive net income .

Speaker #2: Our financial performance also reflects the contribution from new beds onboarded throughout the year . Combined with the ongoing benefits of our cost savings and efficiency initiatives , I'm very proud of the entire care team from coast to coast .

Speaker #2: Those in our pharmacies , our office based locations , and the team supporting on site within the homes we service . It is a dedication and hard work of the collective team that has enabled us to deliver these results .

Speaker #2: While continuing to provide high quality pharmacy services and programs to our residents and home partners Turning to our full year highlights in 2025 , we added over 4500 new beds across our network and we are well positioned to continue to leverage our operating platform .

Puneet Khanna: In 2025, we added over 4,500 new beds across our network. We are well-positioned to continue to leverage our operating platform. We grew adjusted EBITDA by 8.7% compared to prior year and expanded our adjusted EBITDA margin by 63 basis points. We also reduced net debt by approximately 24% year-over-year, reflecting our strong cash generation and disciplined approach to capital allocation. In line with our commitment to returning capital to shareholders, we initiated a quarterly dividend during the year. We also renewed our normal course issuer bid, reinforcing our view that our share price does not fully reflect the fundamental value and long-term growth potential of our business. 2025 was also a year of important strategic milestones.

Speaker #2: We grew adjusted EBITDA by 8.7% compared to prior year . And expanded our adjusted EBITDA margin by 63 basis points . We also reduced net debt by approximately 24% year over year , reflecting our strong cash generation and disciplined approach to capital allocation .

Speaker #2: In line with our commitment to returning capital to shareholders , we initiated a quarterly dividend during the year , we also renewed our normal course issuer bid , reinforcing our view that our share price does not fully reflect the fundamental value and long term growth potential of our business .

Speaker #2: 2025 was also a year of important strategic milestones . We hosted Natalia Bashta , Ontario's Minister of Long-Term care , at our Oakville Pharmacy location , where we showcased the innovative pharmacy services and technologies we use to deliver integrated pharmacy services and programs across the seniors housing spectrum .

Puneet Khanna: We hosted Natalia Kusendova-Bashta, Ontario's Minister of Long-Term Care, at our Oakville pharmacy location, where we showcased the innovative pharmacy services and technologies we use to deliver integrated pharmacy services and programs across the seniors' housing spectrum. We also fully transitioned all regional beds in the BC Lower Mainland to our new Burnaby pharmacy, and we were pleased to host members of the BC Legislative Assembly for a tour of this new facility. This site is a strategic component of our high-volume operating platform and further enhances our ability to support growth while maintaining a high standard of service for our home operator partners and residents. Taken together, these achievements highlight the momentum in our business and the strength of our platform as we look ahead. I will now turn the call over to Suzanne, who will discuss our Q4 financial results in more detail.

Speaker #2: We also fully transitioned all regional beds in the B.C. Lower Mainland to our new Burnaby Pharmacy, and we were pleased to host members of the BC Legislative Assembly for a tour of this new facility.

Speaker #2: This site is a strategic component of our high volume operating platform and further enhances our ability to support growth while maintaining a high standard of service for our home .

Speaker #2: Operator , partners and residents . Taken together , these achievements highlight the momentum in our business and the strength of our platform as we look ahead I will now turn the call over to Suzanne , who will discuss our fourth quarter financial results in more detail .

Suzanne Brand: Thank you, Puneet, good morning, everyone. As Puneet outlined, we delivered solid growth in our key financial metrics in Q4 2025. Average beds serviced in Q4 increased to 92,250 from 87,658 in the same period of 2024. Revenue in Q4 grew to CAD 96.1 million, compared to CAD 92.2 million in Q4 2024. The year-over-year increase in revenue was driven primarily by the increase in the number of average beds serviced. Q4 adjusted EBITDA increased to CAD 8.8 million, from CAD 7.6 million in Q4 2024. An adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 9.2% from 8.2% a year ago.

Speaker #3: Thank you and good morning , everyone . As Puneet outlined , we delivered solid growth in our key financial metrics in the fourth quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #3: Average buds serviced in the fourth quarter increased to 92,250 from 87,658 in the same period of 2024 . Revenue in the fourth quarter grew to 96.1 million , compared to 92.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 .

Speaker #3: The year over year increase in revenue was driven primarily by the increase in the number of average beds serviced . Fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA increased to 8.8 million from 7.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 , and adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 9.2% from 8.2% a year ago .

Suzanne Brand: The increase in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin was driven by the onboarding of new beds and continued realization of cost savings and efficiency initiatives across our operations. After removing the effects of income tax recoveries, we reported net income of CAD 1 million in Q4, compared to a net loss of CAD 2.2 million in Q4 2024. The improvement in net income reflects the higher average number of beds serviced, the impact of our cost savings initiatives, and reduction in finance costs. We are proud to report our first full year of positive net income as CareRx and specifically positive net income in every quarter of 2025. Cash from operations in the quarter was CAD 9.6 million, compared to CAD 8.4 million in Q4 2024.

Speaker #3: The increase in adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin was driven by the onboarding of new beds and continued realization of cost savings and efficiency initiatives across our operations .

Speaker #3: After removing the effects of income tax recoveries , we reported net income of 1 million in the fourth quarter compared to a net loss of 2.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 .

Speaker #3: The improvement in net reflects the higher average number of bed serviced . The impact of our cost savings initiatives and reduction in finance costs .

Speaker #3: We are proud to report our first full year of positive net income as Kerr and specifically positive net income in every quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #3: Ash from operations in the quarter was 9.6 million , compared to 8.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 . Cash from operations was influenced primarily by the contribution from the new Onboardings and our ongoing cost saving initiatives .

Suzanne Brand: Cash from operations was influenced primarily by the contribution from the new onboardings and our ongoing cost-saving initiatives. Turning to our balance sheet. As of 31 December 2025, we had cash of CAD 13.9 million, compared to CAD 15.5 million at the end of Q3 2025. Net debt was CAD 27.1 million at quarter end, compared to CAD 28.8 million at the end of Q3 2025. The quarter-over-quarter improvement in net debt was driven primarily by repayments to our term loans. Net debt to adjusted EBITDA improved to 0.8 times at the end of Q4, compared to 0.9 times at the end of Q3 2025. This improvement reflects both the decrease in net debt and the increase in our run rate of adjusted EBITDA.

Speaker #3: Turning to our balance sheet , as of December 31st , 2025 , we had cash of 13.9 million , compared to 15.5 million at the end of the third quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #3: Net debt was 27.1 million at quarter end , compared to 28.8 million at the end of the third quarter of 2025 . The quarter over quarter improvement in net debt was driven primarily by repayments to our term loan net debt to adjusted EBITDA improved 0.8 times at the end of the fourth quarter , compared to 0.9 times at the end of the third quarter of 2025 .

Speaker #3: This improvement reflects both the decrease in net debt and the increase in our run rate of adjusted EBITDA during the quarter , we also paid dividends in the aggregate amount of 1.3 million , consistent with our balanced approach to capital allocation , which prioritizes growth , growth , investments , balance sheet strength and returning capital to shareholders .

Suzanne Brand: During the quarter, we also paid dividends in the aggregate amount of CAD 1.3 million, consistent with our balanced approach to capital allocation, which prioritizes growth investments, balance sheet strength, and returning capital to shareholders. Overall, our financial position remains very strong, and we believe we are well-positioned to support continued growth while maintaining conservative leverage profiles. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Puneet.

Speaker #3: Overall , our financial position remains very strong and we believe we are well positioned to support continued growth while maintaining conservative leverage , profile .

Speaker #3: And with that , I'll turn the call back over to Puneet .

Puneet Khanna: Thank you, Suzanne. Across CareRx, teams have strengthened relationships with home partners as well as with industry and government stakeholders. We have also delivered improvements in the care we provide to residents, enhanced the clinical support offered to homes, and advanced key initiatives throughout a year of growth and momentum. During Q4, CareRx pharmacists administered over 40,000 flu shots. This is an important contribution to protecting residents in long-term care while preventing hospitalization and underscores the critical role our teams play in preventative care and immunization programs. We were also proud to have a diabetes management study co-led by CareRx pharmacists, published in JMIR Diabetes. This work reflects our ongoing focus on clinical excellence, medication management, and supporting evidence-based practice research to shape the future of senior care.

Speaker #2: Thank you . Suzanne . Across care , teams have strengthened relationships with home partners as well as with industry and government stakeholders . We have also delivered improvements in the care we provide to residents , enhance the clinical support offered to homes and advanced key initiatives throughout a year of growth and momentum .

Puneet Khanna: During Q4, CareRx pharmacists administered over 40,000 flu shots. This is an important contribution to protecting residents in long-term care while preventing hospitalization and underscores the critical role our teams play in preventative care and immunization programs. We were also proud to have a diabetes management study co-led by CareRx pharmacists, published in JMIR Diabetes. This work reflects our ongoing focus on clinical excellence, medication management, and supporting evidence-based practice research to shape the future of senior care.

Speaker #2: During the fourth quarter , Crcs pharmacists administered over 40,000 flu shots . This is an important contribution to protecting residents in long term care .

Speaker #2: While preventing hospitalization and underscores the critical role our teams play in preventative care and immunization programs . We were also proud to have a diabetes management study co-led by Care pharmacists , published in Jmir Diabetes .

Speaker #2: This work reflects our ongoing focus on clinical excellence , medication management , and supporting evidence based practice research to shape the future of senior care .

Puneet Khanna: We continued our support for the Senior Living CaRES Fund, which provides assistance to employees working in the senior living sector. Supporting the people who care for seniors every day is core to our mission and values. In addition, our teams remained active in community initiatives, including participating in Lace Up to End Diabetes, writing holiday cards for seniors, and sponsoring and attending other community events. These activities allow us to give back to the communities where we live and work, strengthen our relationships with residents and families, and reinforce our commitment to being a trusted partner across the continuum of care. We have built a scalable, operationally efficient organization that we believe is exceptionally well-positioned to capitalize on the significant long-term growth opportunities we see in the industry.

Speaker #2: We continued our support for the Senior Living Cares Fund, which provides assistance to employees working in the senior living sector, supporting the people who care for seniors every day.

Speaker #2: Is core to our mission and values . In addition , our teams remained active in community initiatives including participating in Lace Up to End diabetes , writing holiday cards for seniors , and sponsoring and attending other community events .

Speaker #2: These activities allow us to give back to the communities where we live and work , strengthen our relationships with residents and families , and reinforce our commitment to being a trusted partner across the continuum care we have built a scalable , operationally efficient organization that we believe is exceptionally well positioned to capitalize on the significant long term growth opportunities we see in the industry Importantly , our business is built to handle significant growth , and we remain confident in our pipeline and our strategic positioning that when our home ready to move , we are ready .

Puneet Khanna: We have built a scalable, operationally efficient organization that we believe is exceptionally well-positioned to capitalize on the significant long-term growth opportunities we see in the industry. Importantly, our business is built to handle significant growth, and we remain confident in our pipeline and our strategic positioning so that when our home partners are ready to move, we are ready. With that, I would now like to open the call to questions. Operator.

Puneet Khanna: Importantly, our business is built to handle significant growth, and we remain confident in our pipeline and our strategic positioning so that when our home partners are ready to move, we are ready. With that, I would now like to open the call to questions. Operator.

Speaker #2: With that , I would now like to open the call to questions . Operator .

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. We will pause for just a moment as callers join the queue. Today's first question comes from Gary Ho at Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad.

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Speaker #1: To withdraw your question , please press star then two . We will pause for just a moment as callers join the queue . And today's first question comes from Gary Ho at Desjardins Capital Markets .

Speaker #1: Please go ahead

Gary Ho: Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Puneet, can you maybe give us an update on bed count growth pipeline this year? What are your sales team working on behind the scenes? Also maybe on the flip side, any notable customers that's up for renewal in 2026 we should be watching for?

Speaker #4: Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you maybe give us an update on bed count growth pipeline this year?

Speaker #4: What are your sales team working on behind the scenes ? And also maybe on the flip side , any notable customers that's up for renewal in 2026 ?

Speaker #4: We should be watching for .

Puneet Khanna: Yeah. Good morning, Gary. On growth, as I said in my prepared comments, we are optimistic and bullish on growth. I think we've publicly stated 6 to 8 thousand net new organic beds is what we are targeting. Our sales team has hit the ground running this year in both prospecting and pushing those initiatives through the pipeline. We feel good about that. With respect to large customers, we don't have any significant or large customers that are expiring this year.

Speaker #2: Yeah . Good morning Gary . So on growth , as I said in my prepared comments , we are are optimistic and bullish on on growth .

Speaker #2: I think we've publicly stated 6,000 to 8,000 net new organic beds is what we are targeting. Our sales team has hit the ground running this year in both prospecting and pushing those initiatives through the pipeline.

Speaker #2: So we we feel good about that with respect to large customers , we don't have any significant or large customers that are expiring this year

Gary Ho: Okay, great. Then second, wondering if you can provide a progress update on your hub-and-spoke strategy trial? What do you hope to accomplish this year? Any plans to build out new mega facilities over the next 12 to 18 months?

Speaker #4: Okay , great . And then second , wondering if you can provide a progress update on your hub and spoke strategy trial , what do you hope to accomplish this year and any plans to build out new mega facilities over the next 12 to 18 months

Puneet Khanna: Yeah. The, our hub-and-spoke continues. We continue to feel good about where that's going. We now, out of the pilot site that we do have in Oakville, have two of our other pharmacies being packaged out of the Oakville location. You know, we're seeing that volume handled nicely with further capacity. We'll continue to expand that throughout the year. We're also looking to take that into BC. We are, you know, in the Lower Mainland location. We are servicing outside of our own geography in the Lower Mainland. We'll continue to leverage and expand that as well.

Speaker #2: Yeah , so our hub and spoke continues . We continue to feel good about where where that's going . We Now out of the pilot site that we do have in Oakville , we now have two of our other pharmacies being packaged out of the Oakville location .

Speaker #2: The you know , and we're seeing that volume handled nicely with with further capacity . And so we'll continue to expand that throughout the year .

Speaker #2: We're also looking to to take that into BC . We are , in the Lower Mainland location . We are servicing outside of our own geography in the Lower Mainland .

Speaker #2: And so we'll continue to leverage and expand that as well . So and then with your question , yeah , we've got I think we we would like to get two more hubs built timelines within the next 24 months , but nothing nothing confirmed at this point .

Puneet Khanna: With your second part of your question. Yeah, we've got, I think we would like to get, 2 more hubs built, timelines within the next 24 months, but nothing confirmed at this point, Gary.

Speaker #2: Gary .

Gary Ho: Okay, perfect. If I can just sneak one more in maybe for Suzanne. I know there's a new deferred tax amount on the balance sheet, CAD 23 million. Don't think it was there in Q3. What drove that? Does that impact future income tax rate looking out?

Speaker #4: Okay . Perfect . And if I can just sneak one more in , maybe for Suzanne . I know there's a new deferred tax amount on the balance sheet .

Speaker #4: 23 million . Don't think it was there in Q3 . What drove that ? And does that impact future income tax rate ? Looking at

Suzanne Brand: Yeah. Thanks, Gary, for the question. The analysis was not complete. The analysis in Q3, we actually did the full analysis in Q4 on our tax position. You did see within the results that we posted a full year of positive net income. With our future forecasts in terms of profitability, it allowed us to recognize the deferred tax asset that we'll be able to offset some capital losses against. It is, you know, a very good news story. It's a positive net income story, and we do have the non-capital losses that we'll be able to utilize. Hence the deferred tax asset was recognized.

Speaker #3: Yeah . Thanks , Gary , for the question The analysis was not complete . The analysis in Q3 . We we actually did the full analysis in Q4 on our tax position .

Speaker #3: B you did see within the results that we posted a full year of positive net income . And with our future forecasts , in terms of profitability , it allowed us to recognize the deferred tax asset that we'll be able to offset some capital losses against .

Speaker #3: So it is , you know , a very good news story . It's a positive net income story . And we do have the non-capital losses that we'll be able to utilize .

Speaker #3: So hence the deferred tax asset was recognized

Gary Ho: Okay. Maybe I can just clarify to see if I understand this correct. In previous years, tax years, where you had net losses, I guess

Speaker #4: Okay . So maybe I can just clarify to see if I understand this correctly . So in previous years tax years where you had net losses , I guess those weren't recognized on the balance sheet .

Suzanne Brand: Mm-hmm.

Gary Ho: Weren't recognized on the balance sheet, and as a result, now you have better visibility of having positive net income, and as a result, you can book these deferred taxes. Is that the right way to think of it?

Speaker #4: And as a result , now you have better visibility of having positive net income . And as a result , you can book these deferred taxes .

Speaker #4: Is that is that the right way to think about it ? Yeah .

Suzanne Brand: That's exactly right. Yes. That's right.

Gary Ho: Got it.

Suzanne Brand: We did not have that profitability in the past.

Speaker #3: That's right . We did not have that profitability in the past .

Gary Ho: Does that mean there's no current taxes we should look for in the near term?

Speaker #4: So does that mean there's no current taxes ? We should look for in the near term ?

Suzanne Brand: In the near term, we will be able to utilize our non-capital losses with respect to being non-cash tax positive.

Speaker #3: We in the near term we will be able to utilize our non-capital losses with respect to being non-cash tax positive .

Gary Ho: Got it. Okay. Clear. Okay. Thank you very much. Those are my questions.

Speaker #4: Got it . Okay . Clear . Okay . Thank you very much . Those are my questions .

Puneet Khanna: Thanks, Gary.

Speaker #2: Thanks , Gary .

Operator: Thank you. Our next question today comes from Girish Sisenkar with Bloomberg. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Thank you . And our next question today comes from Greece . Shanker with Bloomberg . Please go ahead .

Girish Sisenkar: Morning, Puneet and Suzanne. Thanks for taking my question. Now, as your partners acquire beds, could you provide some detail on the onboarding economics, specifically the incremental margin that gets added as you add new beds and the lag time from a partner closing an acquisition to the bed coming online?

Speaker #4: Good morning Penny and Suzanne . Thanks for taking my question . Now as your partners acquire beds , could you provide some detail on the onboarding economics , specifically the incremental margin that gets added as you add new beds and the lag time from a partner closing acquisition to the bed coming online

Puneet Khanna: Good morning, Girish. Yeah, with respect to lag time, it's one of the... The answer is it depends. We've seen some where if their long-term care and licenses need to be transferred from the ministries, like we've seen that take as long as a year in some cases. In others, just depending on closing or if it's going to Competition Bureau, what we're seeing on the retirement home operator side as that side of the business or our customers continue to consolidate, it seems that it's triggering Comp Bureau review more and more, especially with the larger operators and, you know, a little bit of that is uncertain.

Speaker #2: Good morning Grace . So yeah , with respect to lag time , it it's one of the the answer is it depends . So we've seen some where if they are long term care and licenses need to be transferred from the ministry .

Speaker #2: Like we've seen that take as long as a year in some cases . And then in others just depending on closing or if it's going to Competition Bureau .

Speaker #2: What we're seeing on the retirement home operator side , as that side of the business or our customers continue to consolidate , it seems that it's triggering computer review more and more .

Speaker #2: And so the the especially with the larger operators and , you know , so a little bit of that is uncertain that we know we've won it .

Puneet Khanna: That we know we've won it, we're going to get it, timing is not necessarily in our control. Then sort of with your first part of your question on margin profile, because of the way we've built our network, when we do add beds, we do it at very little additional labor, so it is much more incrementally accretive to us, than our run rate.

Speaker #2: We're going to get it . Timing is not necessarily in our control . And then sort of with your first part of your question on margin profile , because of the way we've built our network , when we do add beds , we do it at very little additional labor .

Speaker #2: So it is much more incrementally accretive to us than our run rate

Suzanne Brand: If I can just add to that, of course, it's dependent on the volume of the bed adds. It is marginally accretive, as Puneet said, with respect to minimal labor required. With a large add, it's very, very, you know, supportive with respect to accretion. With the small bed adds, it's, you know, a minimal impact. We do get to absorb the labor.

Speaker #3: If I can just add to that , of course , it's dependent on the volume of the of the bed , adds it is marginally accretive as as Penny said , with respect to minimal labor required .

Speaker #3: So with a large add , it's very , very supportive with respect to accretion , with the small bed , adds , it's , you know , a minimal impact .

Speaker #3: But we do get to absorb the labor .

Girish Sisenkar: Thanks for that, Suzanne. Would it be possible to quantify the bed count threshold required to break into that double-digit margins? Then beyond just pure scale, what other levers could you pull to further drive margin expansion?

Speaker #4: Thanks for that , Suzanne . And would it be possible to quantify the bed count threshold required to break into that double digit margins and then beyond just pure scale , what other levels could you pull to further drive margin expansion ?

Puneet Khanna: I think what we've demonstrated over the last two years is that commitment to operational excellence. When we started on that journey, it was really, we committed to lean methodology, which is, it is sort of a dedicated daily focus on rooting out waste and wasteful activities in the business and driving efficiencies. We'll continue to find opportunities throughout the business. You know, I think from what we've seen, when we went to Europe and the partnerships we've created with best-in-class pharmacies across the EU, is that there are still learnings that we are sharing back and forth and driving further efficiencies in our business that way. You know, we'll continue to drive those throughout the year.

Speaker #5: Yeah . So so I think .

Speaker #2: What we've demonstrated over the last two years is that commitment to operational excellence . And when we started on that journey , it was really we committed to to lean methodology , which is is sort of a dedicated daily focus on on rooting out waste and wasteful activities in the business and driving efficiencies .

Speaker #2: And so we'll continue to find opportunities throughout the business , you know , and I think from what we've seen , when we went to and the partnerships we've created with best in class pharmacies across the EU is that there are still learnings that we are sharing back and forth and driving further efficiencies in our business .

Speaker #2: That way . And so we , you know , we will we'll continue to drive those throughout the year . And then and then to Gary's earlier question , even with hub and spoke , you know , as we continue to drive towards that model , there will be a significant , you know , upside for us on that part as well

Puneet Khanna: To Gary's earlier question, even with hub-and-spoke, you know, as we continue to drive towards that model, there will be a significant, you know, upside for us on that part as well.

David Brown: Thanks. Just on the, with the 6 to 8 thousand beds potentially being added this year, do you think you'll be able to break double-digit margins with those add?

Gary Ho: Thanks. Just on the, with the 6 to 8 thousand beds potentially being added this year, do you think you'll be able to break double-digit margins with those add?

Speaker #4: Thanks . Just on the with the 6 to 8000 beds potentially being added this year , do you think you'll be able to break double digit margins with those ?

Speaker #4: Add

Suzanne Brand: We're optimistic. Sorry, Girish. Apologize, just a little bit of throat there. Optimistic with respect to breaking through to the double digit with the 6,000 to 8,000 as the target.

Speaker #3: We're optimistic . Sorry . Apologize a little bit of throat there . Optimistic with respect to breaking through to the double digit with the 68,000 as the target

David Brown: Okay, thanks. That's it for me. Looking forward to 2026.

Suzanne Brand: Okay, thanks. That's it for me. Looking forward to 2026.

Speaker #4: Okay . Thanks . That's it for me . Looking forward to 26 .

Puneet Khanna: Thanks, Girish.

Speaker #5: Thanks , Krish .

Operator: Thank you. Once again, if you have a question, please press star then one. Our next question today comes from Justin Keywood with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker #1: Thank you . And once again , if you have a question please press star then one . Our next question today comes from Max with Stifel .

Speaker #1: Please go ahead

Justin Keywood: Good morning, Puneet, Suzanne. Just to firstly, I'd like to ask, you know, you're at historically low leverage. You guys have done a great job in sorting out the balance sheet, and it's in great health now. I guess, with respect to that, can you provide a little bit of color on firm capital allocation plans? I know the dividend is now in place and the buyback continues, but is that the plan? Do you expect to invest a little bit more into existing facilities, building out any capacity? I understand Ontario is well positioned to add new beds with its current capacity, but maybe provide a little detail on what you think about, you know, using your balance sheet for.

Speaker #6: Good morning Suzanne . Just firstly I'd like to ask , you know , we're at historically low leverage . You guys have done a great job in sorting out the balance sheet .

Speaker #6: And it's in great health now . I guess just with respect to that , can you provide a little bit of color on firm capital allocation plans ?

Speaker #6: I know the dividend is now in place and and the buyback continues , but is that the plan ? Do you expect to invest a little bit more into existing facilities , building out any capacity and I understand Ontario is is well positioned to to add new beds with its current capacity .

Speaker #6: But maybe provide a little detail on what you think about using your balance sheet for.

Suzanne Brand: Hey there, Max. With respect to capital allocation, you are correct. We will continue in terms of our, you know, the, we focus on the dividend, we focus on the NCIB in terms of the buyback. Of course, we'll continue with capital allocation between CAD 8 and 10 million with respect to pure capital. Secondarily to that, we'll also look for opportunities from an M&A perspective and how that might, you know, obviously, impact our business positively. Because we are so, you know, positioned very effectively on our balance sheet, we'll be able to maneuver that within our current structure.

Speaker #3: there Max , with respect to capital allocation , you are correct . We will continue in terms of our , you know , the we focus on the dividend , we focus on the NCIB in terms of the buyback .

Speaker #3: But of course , we'll we'll continue with capital allocation between the eight and $10 million with respect to pure capital . And then secondarily to that , we'll also look for opportunities from an M&A perspective and how that might , you know , obviously impact our business positively .

Speaker #3: But because we are so, you know, positioned very effectively on our balance sheet, we'll be able to maneuver that within our current structure.

Justin Keywood: That's great. Maybe just broadly, you know, with regards to M&A, are you in discussions to any degree or does the pipeline look a little bit more active than it has historically? Just what does that look like?

Speaker #6: That's great . And maybe just broadly , you know , with regards to M&A , r u in discussions to any degree or does the pipeline look a little bit more active than it is historically just what does that look like .

Puneet Khanna: Yeah, it's still early innings on that, Max. Nothing, we're not bearing any fruit yet. Again, I think we're pretty optimistic on using our cash effectively to fuel growth.

Speaker #5: Yeah , it's still it's still early .

Speaker #2: It's still early innings on that Max . So so nothing we haven't we're not bearing any fruit yet . But but again I think we're pretty optimistic on on on using our cash effectively to , to fuel growth

Justin Keywood: Great. Maybe just on what's over the horizon this year, and I think we've spoken about it in the past, but with the genericization of semaglutide in Canada, you know, maybe you lay out your expectations or refreshed expectations, and if this will translate into any gross margin expansion in the back half of the year.

Speaker #6: Great . And maybe just on what's over . The horizon this year . And I think we've spoken about it in the past .

Speaker #6: But with the genericization of Sema Glutide in Canada , you know , maybe lay out your expectations or refresh refreshed expectations . And if this will translate into any gross margin expansion in the back half of the year .

Suzanne Brand: With respect to Ozempic/the semaglutide molecule, there is an expectation, you know, word is that it would likely go generic late in the year. We are, you know, we are watching that. Never any guarantees with respect to getting through all the regulatory hurdles. It will, again, as you know, it's a pass-through from both revenue and cost of sales, but we will be able to, you know, push a little bit of upside with respect to our wholesale terms. At the end of the day, it's, it's just still a little bit of a wait and see on semaglutide to see that it actually does get into the generic space.

Speaker #3: So with respect to the semaglutide molecule , there is an expectation , you know , word is is that it would likely go generic late in the year .

Speaker #3: So we are you know , we are watching that never any guarantees with respect to getting through all the regulatory hurdles . It will again as you know , it's a pass through from both revenue and cost of sales .

Speaker #3: But we will be able to, you know, push a little bit of upside with respect to our wholesale terms. But at the end of the day, it's just still a little bit of a wait and see on semaglutide to see that it actually does get into the generic space.

Justin Keywood: Great. Maybe one more question. This is a bit of a shot in the dark. Have there been any discussions with Quebec officials yet on expanding services into the province or even in the maritime provinces for more maybe a broader geographic reach? How are those advancing?

Speaker #6: Great . Maybe one more question . Just a bit of a shot in the dark . Have there been any discussions with Quebec officials yet on expanding services into the province , or even in the maritime provinces for for maybe a broader geographic reach ?

Speaker #6: And how are those advancing

Puneet Khanna: Yeah. We operate in Moncton, New Brunswick already. With the legislation there, we could service into Nova Scotia from that location. Just with the limited geography, that would most probably make the most sense out of the gate for us. We continue to look for opportunity to expand into that market. With Quebec, yeah, it's one of those, we are continuing to have ongoing conversations with a number of different individuals. Again, nothing to report back at this point.

Speaker #5: Yeah . So

Speaker #2: We we operate in Moncton , New Brunswick already with the legislation there . We could service into Nova Scotia from that location . And just with the limited geography that would most probably make the most sense out of the gate for us .

Speaker #2: So we continue to to look for opportunities to expand into , into that market . And then with Quebec . Yeah , it's one of those we are continuing to have ongoing conversations with a number of different individuals .

Speaker #2: But again , nothing , nothing to report back at this point

Justin Keywood: Okay. Thank you very much.

Speaker #6: Okay . Thank you very much .

Puneet Khanna: Thanks, Max.

Speaker #5: Thanks , Max .

Operator: Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Puneet Khanna for any closing remarks.

Speaker #1: Thank you . And that concludes our question and answer session . I'd like to turn the conference back over to Puneet Khanna for any closing remarks

Puneet Khanna: Thank you everyone for participating in today's call and for your continued interest in CareRx. We look forward to reporting on our continued progress next quarter.

Speaker #2: Thank you , everyone for participating in today's call and for your continued interest in Kerr . We look forward to reporting on our continued progress next quarter

Operator: Thank you, sir. This brings to a close today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. We thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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